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Group: S-Trains	Message: 37964	From: RCESpeak	Date: 1/1/2006
Subject: Happy New Year
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37965	From: Phil K	Date: 1/1/2006
Subject: One-inch Flyer replacement motors
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37966	From: dbs10757	Date: 1/1/2006
Subject: Postwar 779 Oil Drum Loader Motor Problems
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37967	From: Michael T Kolosseus	Date: 1/1/2006
Subject: Updated list of Af for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37968	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/1/2006
Subject: Did anyone run a train at midnight?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37969	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 1/1/2006
Subject: 355 Paint Match Recommendation
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37970	From: Roger Delthony	Date: 1/1/2006
Subject: 779 Oil Drum Loader Motor Problems
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37971	From: RCESpeak	Date: 1/1/2006
Subject: A Christmas Train Story
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37972	From: Russ Dondero	Date: 1/1/2006
Subject: Re: Items for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37973	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 1/1/2006
Subject: Sunday Chat, 1/1/2006, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37974	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/1/2006
Subject: can't get chat forum to load
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37975	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/1/2006
Subject: Now I can get there!! AUGH!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37976	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 1/1/2006
Subject: Re: Chat unable to log in?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37977	From: Robert Graves	Date: 1/1/2006
Subject: Re: Happy New Year
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37978	From: Robert Graves	Date: 1/1/2006
Subject: Re: New Layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37979	From: Robert Graves	Date: 1/1/2006
Subject: Gilbert Hoppers (reprise)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37980	From: clifma19	Date: 1/2/2006
Subject: motors
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37981	From: John G	Date: 1/2/2006
Subject: Smoke stack removal
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37982	From: dale reynolds	Date: 1/2/2006
Subject: Re: Layouts and Dust
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37983	From: Robert Graves	Date: 1/2/2006
Subject: Re: Gilbert Hoppers (reprise)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37984	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/2/2006
Subject: Driver Wiggle
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37985	From: Robert Graves	Date: 1/2/2006
Subject: Re: Gilbert Hoppers (reprise)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37986	From: Robert Graves	Date: 1/2/2006
Subject: Reefers online
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37987	From: g94a95	Date: 1/2/2006
Subject: Question???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37988	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/2/2006
Subject: Re: Question???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37989	From: Scott Holm	Date: 1/2/2006
Subject: Re: Question???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37990	From: Robert Graves	Date: 1/2/2006
Subject: 48016 Christmas GP20
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37991	From: g94a95	Date: 1/2/2006
Subject: Questions????
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37992	From: Phil K	Date: 1/2/2006
Subject: Re: 48016 Christmas GP20
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37993	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/3/2006
Subject: Fired 'er up tonite!! (non train, non S-well, except. . .)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37994	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 1/3/2006
Subject: Re: Gilbert Hoppers (reprise)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37995	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 1/3/2006
Subject: Re: 48016 Christmas GP20 - Induction Motors?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37996	From: clifma19	Date: 1/3/2006
Subject: repainting
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37997	From: Phil K	Date: 1/3/2006
Subject: Re: 48016 Christmas GP20 - Induction Motors?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37998	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 1/3/2006
Subject: Re: York TCA Meet - lodging
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37999	From: FEZANDPAZ@aol.com	Date: 1/3/2006
Subject: Re: repainting
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38000	From: Doug Peck	Date: 1/3/2006
Subject: Variations
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38001	From: keefer1	Date: 1/3/2006
Subject: chief pile it , rcon ,bob
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38002	From: Gregg	Date: 1/3/2006
Subject: Flyonel SF B Unit w/ Railsounds
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38003	From: Doug Peck	Date: 1/3/2006
Subject: Re: Bumpers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38004	From: Doug Peck	Date: 1/3/2006
Subject: Re: Armored car for 715
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38005	From: Doug Peck	Date: 1/3/2006
Subject: Re: Motors
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38006	From: Doug Peck	Date: 1/3/2006
Subject: Removing chassis pins
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38007	From: velapoldi	Date: 1/4/2006
Subject: Re: S Helper' new Consolidation
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38008	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 1/4/2006
Subject: Re: Flyonel SF B Unit w/ Railsounds
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38009	From: don@showcaseline.com	Date: 1/4/2006
Subject: Re: S Helper' new Consolidation
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38010	From: Roy Inman	Date: 1/4/2006
Subject: Re: S Helper' new Consolidation
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38011	From: Scott Holm	Date: 1/4/2006
Subject: Re: Flyonel SF B Unit w/ Railsounds
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38012	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 1/4/2006
Subject: Re: Flyonel SF B Unit w/ Railsounds
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38013	From: Dick	Date: 1/4/2006
Subject: The Trip/Hobby Shops
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38014	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 1/4/2006
Subject: Gauging Flyer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38015	From: NASG Library	Date: 1/4/2006
Subject: Mobley Library "vacation"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38016	From: mlmarmer	Date: 1/4/2006
Subject: A League of Their Own.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38017	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/4/2006
Subject: Re: A League of Their Own.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38018	From: Phil K	Date: 1/4/2006
Subject: Re: A League of Their Own.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38019	From: winchester54947	Date: 1/4/2006
Subject: replacing track pins
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38020	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 1/4/2006
Subject: Re: A League of Their Own.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38021	From: tedcanflyer	Date: 1/4/2006
Subject: DC transformer???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38022	From: FEZANDPAZ@aol.com	Date: 1/4/2006
Subject: Re: replacing track pins
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38023	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 1/4/2006
Subject: Re: replacing track pins
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38024	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 1/4/2006
Subject: Re: DC transformer???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38025	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 1/4/2006
Subject: Re: A League of Their Own.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38026	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 1/4/2006
Subject: Re: replacing track pins
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38027	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/4/2006
Subject: Alco wheel question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38028	From: Phil K	Date: 1/5/2006
Subject: Re: Alco wheel question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38029	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 1/5/2006
Subject: Re: replacing track pins
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38030	From: BENJAMIN PERRY	Date: 1/5/2006
Subject: Re: A League of Their Own.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38031	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 1/5/2006
Subject: Re: A League of Their Own.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38032	From: ED WHELAN	Date: 1/5/2006
Subject: TRACK OPTIONS?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38033	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 1/5/2006
Subject: Keystone Div Train Meet
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38034	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/5/2006
Subject: Re: Alco wheel question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38035	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 1/5/2006
Subject: Re: Track Cleaning Cars and dirty track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38036	From: manderman	Date: 1/5/2006
Subject: Re: Track Cleaning Cars and dirty track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38037	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 1/5/2006
Subject: Re;track cleaning cars and dirty track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38038	From: mlmarmer	Date: 1/5/2006
Subject: A League Of Their Own
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38039	From: dbs10757	Date: 1/5/2006
Subject: Postwar 779 Oil Drum Loader Motor Problems - Solved
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38040	From: mlmarmer	Date: 1/5/2006
Subject: Movie
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38041	From: Dave W	Date: 1/5/2006
Subject: Marx 3/16" conversions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38042	From: keefer1	Date: 1/5/2006
Subject: Re: Re;track cleaning cars and dirty track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38043	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 1/5/2006
Subject: Interest in S Scale B&O Decals?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38044	From: FEZANDPAZ@aol.com	Date: 1/5/2006
Subject: Re: Marx 3/16" conversions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38045	From: trainman634	Date: 1/5/2006
Subject: New 2006 Lionel Items
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38046	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 1/5/2006
Subject: Re: New 2006 Lionel Items
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38047	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/5/2006
Subject: Re: Marx 3/16" conversions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38048	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/5/2006
Subject: Re: Marx 3/16" conversions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38049	From: Rhett George	Date: 1/6/2006
Subject: Mike's Marvelous Model
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38050	From: reynoldsjmus	Date: 1/6/2006
Subject: Re: Marx 3/16" conversions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38051	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/6/2006
Subject: Re: Marx 3/16" conversions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38052	From: beebear	Date: 1/6/2006
Subject: Re: Interest in S Scale B&O Decals?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38053	From: Neimanis,V. [NCR]	Date: 1/6/2006
Subject: Re: Track Options
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38054	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 1/6/2006
Subject: dirty track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38055	From: lynnshouse2000	Date: 1/6/2006
Subject: Flyer Database Help
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38056	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 1/6/2006
Subject: Re: dirty track - Plastic Wheels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38057	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 1/6/2006
Subject: Re: dirty track - Plastic Wheels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38058	From: Phil K	Date: 1/6/2006
Subject: Re: Flyer Database Help
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38059	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 1/6/2006
Subject: NTTM & PVMR Layouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38060	From: mlmarmer	Date: 1/6/2006
Subject: Fw: Other Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38061	From: Gerald Dobbs	Date: 1/6/2006
Subject: #370 GM Diesel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38062	From: Gerald Dobbs	Date: 1/6/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2903
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38063	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/6/2006
Subject: Advertising during the WWII years
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38064	From: Charles E. Smith	Date: 1/6/2006
Subject: Re: Track Options
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38065	From: jayhoo64	Date: 1/6/2006
Subject: Re: Marx 3/16" conversions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38066	From: winchester54947	Date: 1/6/2006
Subject: speed governor
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38067	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 1/6/2006
Subject: Re: Induction Motors - where's stump when you need him????
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38068	From: Phil K	Date: 1/7/2006
Subject: Re: Induction Motors - where's stump when you need him????
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38069	From: Charles E. Smith	Date: 1/7/2006
Subject: Re: Induction Motors - where's stump when you need him????
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38070	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 1/7/2006
Subject: Re: dirty track - Plastic Wheels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38071	From: Lance McCold	Date: 1/7/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2904
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38072	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/7/2006
Subject: Heads up, Big L's 2006 Catalog coming!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38073	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 1/7/2006
Subject: Re: Induction Motors - you say PAtato and I say PatatO...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38074	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 1/7/2006
Subject: 1996-1998 List History??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38075	From: mlmarmer	Date: 1/7/2006
Subject: Fw: Other Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38076	From: mlmarmer	Date: 1/7/2006
Subject: Movie
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38077	From: glenn allen	Date: 1/7/2006
Subject: S-trains and Jesses James - The Monster Garage
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38078	From: John Foley	Date: 1/7/2006
Subject: Swamp Machine Shop
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38079	From: vangampler	Date: 1/7/2006
Subject: Why did Lionel change the style of American Flyer freight car truck
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38080	From: Dale Smith	Date: 1/7/2006
Subject: Fw: Flyerville Station and list history
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38081	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 1/7/2006
Subject: Re: 1996-1998 List History??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38082	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 1/7/2006
Subject: Sunday Chat, 1/8/2006, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38083	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 1/7/2006
Subject: Re: S-trains and Jesses James
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38084	From: muniman18	Date: 1/7/2006
Subject: dumb question # 9
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38085	From: Charles E. Smith	Date: 1/7/2006
Subject: Re: dumb question # 9
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38086	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 1/8/2006
Subject: Rubber Roadbed and 1/2 Sections
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38087	From: Gale Hall	Date: 1/8/2006
Subject: stuff
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38088	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 1/8/2006
Subject: Re: dumb question # 9
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38089	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/8/2006
Subject: Dumb question #9 & roadbed questions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38090	From: keefer1	Date: 1/8/2006
Subject: Re: Dumb question #9 & roadbed questions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38091	From: Gale Hall	Date: 1/8/2006
Subject: stuff
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38092	From: Phil K	Date: 1/8/2006
Subject: Re: Dumb question #9 & roadbed questions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38093	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 1/8/2006
Subject: Sunday Chat, 1/8/2006, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38094	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 1/8/2006
Subject: Off Subject - Stamp Collecting
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38095	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 1/8/2006
Subject: Re: Unapble to get on chat tonight? 2 weeks in a row??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38096	From: tedcanflyer	Date: 1/8/2006
Subject: Railsounds...love it or forget it!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38097	From: Phil K	Date: 1/8/2006
Subject: UP lawyers at it again -- now suing Mike's Train House
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38098	From: velapoldi	Date: 1/9/2006
Subject: e-mail
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38099	From: knockbill	Date: 1/9/2006
Subject: Motors
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38100	From: beebear	Date: 1/9/2006
Subject: Layouts / Stores
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38101	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 1/9/2006
Subject: Re: Motors
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38102	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 1/9/2006
Subject: Re: Railsounds...love it or forget it!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38103	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 1/9/2006
Subject: Advertisement: Baldwin Westinghouse B and D plus Brill 55 Motorcars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38104	From: Roy Inman	Date: 1/9/2006
Subject: Re: Railsounds...love it or forget it!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38105	From: wpporter@duckburg.us	Date: 1/9/2006
Subject: Re: Railsounds...love it or forget it!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38106	From: Scott Holm	Date: 1/9/2006
Subject: Re: Railsounds...love it or forget it!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38107	From: Roy Inman	Date: 1/9/2006
Subject: Re: Railsounds...love it or forget it!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38108	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 1/9/2006
Subject: Interesting eBay item / close price
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38109	From: Art Shifrin	Date: 1/9/2006
Subject: Flarx
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38110	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 1/9/2006
Subject: Re: Flarx
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38111	From: Mark Koenig	Date: 1/9/2006
Subject: Smoke and Sound Questions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38112	From: Ted / Sharon Turczak	Date: 1/9/2006
Subject: Re: Railsounds...love it or forget it!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38113	From: Richard Clouse	Date: 1/9/2006
Subject: Re: Railsounds...love it or forget it!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38114	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 1/9/2006
Subject: Re: Railsounds...love it or forget it!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38115	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 1/9/2006
Subject: Re: S-Scale Modeling Advertisement: Baldwin Westinghouse B and D pl
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38116	From: Gerald Dobbs	Date: 1/9/2006
Subject: 23791 cow on the track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38117	From: Phil K	Date: 1/9/2006
Subject: Re: Railsounds...love it or forget it!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38118	From: ken garber	Date: 1/9/2006
Subject: Department 56
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38119	From: Al Baker	Date: 1/9/2006
Subject: Union Pacific suing model train makers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38120	From: Phil K	Date: 1/9/2006
Subject: Re: Union Pacific suing model train makers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38121	From: Roy Inman	Date: 1/9/2006
Subject: Re: Union Pacific suing model train makers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38122	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 1/9/2006
Subject: Re: Union Pacific suing model train makers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38123	From: Al Baker	Date: 1/10/2006
Subject: Union Pacific suing model train makers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38124	From: Thomas Doherty	Date: 1/10/2006
Subject: Re: S-Scale Modeling Advertisement: Baldwin Westinghouse B and D pl
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38125	From: John	Date: 1/10/2006
Subject: Re: Union Pacific suing model train makers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38126	From: John	Date: 1/10/2006
Subject: Re: Union Pacific suing model train makers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38127	From: James Hannawald	Date: 1/10/2006
Subject: Re: Union Pacific suing model train makers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38128	From: ED WHELAN	Date: 1/10/2006
Subject: UP: Union Pacific Contact List
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38129	From: garyandkay66203	Date: 1/10/2006
Subject: re-locating
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38130	From: Roy Inman	Date: 1/10/2006
Subject: Re: Union Pacific suing model train makers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38131	From: BENJAMIN PERRY	Date: 1/10/2006
Subject: Re: Union Pacific suing model train makers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38132	From: Roy Inman	Date: 1/10/2006
Subject: Re: Union Pacific suing model train makers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38133	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 1/10/2006
Subject: Re: Advertisement: Baldwin Westinghouse B and D plus Brill 55 Motor
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38134	From: frank emiro	Date: 1/10/2006
Subject: UP & Monopoly
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38135	From: WEG138@aol.com	Date: 1/10/2006
Subject: Fwd: Model Trains & Logos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38136	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 1/10/2006
Subject: Dept 56
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38137	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 1/10/2006
Subject: re;UP sueing model train makers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38138	From: mlmarmer	Date: 1/10/2006
Subject: Disgraceful
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38139	From: Dave Ganslein	Date: 1/10/2006
Subject: Union Pacific
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38140	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/10/2006
Subject: New UP paint jobs & Spy VS Spy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38141	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 1/10/2006
Subject: Re: Disgraceful
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38142	From: Roy Inman	Date: 1/10/2006
Subject: Re: Union Pacific
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38143	From: Gary Chidester	Date: 1/10/2006
Subject: Re: Union Pacific
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38144	From: Phil K	Date: 1/10/2006
Subject: Re: Transformer American Flyer by D. Dewey
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38145	From: Phil K	Date: 1/11/2006
Subject: Re: Disgraceful
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38146	From: mlmarmer	Date: 1/11/2006
Subject: Re: [toytrains] Balancing the books.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38147	From: mlmarmer	Date: 1/11/2006
Subject: Re: Disgraceful
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38148	From: Roy Inman	Date: 1/11/2006
Subject: Re: Union Pacific
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38149	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 1/11/2006
Subject: Re: Union Pacific
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38150	From: Gale Hall	Date: 1/11/2006
Subject: UP monies
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38151	From: dale reynolds	Date: 1/11/2006
Subject: Re: Union Pacific
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38152	From: Bruce D. Willis	Date: 1/11/2006
Subject: Sights to see?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38153	From: dale reynolds	Date: 1/11/2006
Subject: Re: Disgraceful
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38154	From: winchester54947	Date: 1/11/2006
Subject: solvent. paint and glue
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38155	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 1/11/2006
Subject: Re: K-Line S gauge cars - forsale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38156	From: Dave Ganslein	Date: 1/11/2006
Subject: To Roy, Gary, & Dale re: Union Pacific
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38157	From: lynnshouse2000	Date: 1/11/2006
Subject: Sears "Hit or Miss" Set #1177
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38158	From: Dave Highfield	Date: 1/11/2006
Subject: A.C. Gilbert
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38159	From: Roy Inman	Date: 1/11/2006
Subject: Re: To Roy, Gary, & Dale re: Union Pacific
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38160	From: Roy Inman	Date: 1/11/2006
Subject: Re: Union Pacific
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38161	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 1/11/2006
Subject: Re: Union Pacific
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38162	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 1/11/2006
Subject: Re;solvent,paint,and glue
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38163	From: osprey40@comcast.net	Date: 1/11/2006
Subject: Ace-Rusti
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38164	From: Alex Sibbald	Date: 1/11/2006
Subject: 974
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38165	From: RCESpeak	Date: 1/12/2006
Subject: Layout Update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38166	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 1/12/2006
Subject: Re: Layout Update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38167	From: wpporter@duckburg.us	Date: 1/12/2006
Subject: Re: Layout Update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38168	From: Gerald Dobbs	Date: 1/12/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2909
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38169	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 1/12/2006
Subject: Re: K Line S Cars - Great Response 5 Left.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38170	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 1/12/2006
Subject: Re;Digest number2909
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38171	From: Jay E. Mellon	Date: 1/12/2006
Subject: Yes, Virginia, 'S'anta Does Exist
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38172	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 1/12/2006
Subject: Blatant commercialism
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38173	From: Art Shifrin	Date: 1/13/2006
Subject: Wanted by Shiffy for 'Frankentrain' experimentation
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38174	From: ham_45242	Date: 1/13/2006
Subject: #591 Crossing Gate Internals
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38175	From: ham_45242	Date: 1/13/2006
Subject: Re: Transformer American Flyer by D. Dewey
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38176	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 1/13/2006
Subject: Re: Another Rainy Day Project - Lionel AF
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38177	From: Gerald Dobbs	Date: 1/13/2006
Subject: Fw: Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 2909
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38178	From: charlie and edith	Date: 1/13/2006
Subject: Electrical Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38179	From: Roy Inman	Date: 1/13/2006
Subject: Re: Another Rainy Day Project - Lionel AF
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38180	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 1/13/2006
Subject: Re: Bachman On30 Coach conversion to S !
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38181	From: Art Shifrin	Date: 1/13/2006
Subject: Jan HQ news
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38182	From: Bill Porter	Date: 1/13/2006
Subject: Re: Electrical Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38183	From: Robert Graves	Date: 1/13/2006
Subject: Christmas Cars page is online
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38184	From: Roy Inman	Date: 1/13/2006
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] re: Another Rainy Day Project - LAF II
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38185	From: manderman	Date: 1/13/2006
Subject: Re: Another Rainy Day Project - Lionel AF
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38186	From: Richard Clouse	Date: 1/13/2006
Subject: Re: FW: [S-Trains] re: Another Rainy Day Project - LAF II
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38187	From: keefer1	Date: 1/13/2006
Subject: k-line
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38188	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/13/2006
Subject: Those 1 & 1-1/2 transformers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38189	From: Roy Inman	Date: 1/13/2006
Subject: Re: Another Rainy Day Project - Lionel AF
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38190	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/14/2006
Subject: Rainy Day project & Transformers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38191	From: Jon Marinello	Date: 1/14/2006
Subject: Selling Diesel Horn on Ebay - Item number: 6029671228
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38192	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 1/14/2006
Subject: Sunday Chat, 1/15/2006, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38193	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 1/14/2006
Subject: Re: Selling Diesel Horn on Ebay - Item number: 6029671228
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38194	From: alguckes2001	Date: 1/14/2006
Subject: Some S scale items for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38195	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 1/15/2006
Subject: Re: Another Rainy Day Project - Lionel AF
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38196	From: Gerald Dobbs	Date: 1/15/2006
Subject: On30 cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38197	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 1/15/2006
Subject: Re: k-line
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38198	From: TWesthelle@aol.com	Date: 1/15/2006
Subject: Re: Selling Diesel Horn on Ebay - Item number: 6029671228
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38199	From: BENJAMIN PERRY	Date: 1/15/2006
Subject: Re: Another Rainy Day Project - Lionel AF
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38200	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 1/15/2006
Subject: Re: Another Rainy Day Project - Lionel AF
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38201	From: Ironhorse	Date: 1/15/2006
Subject: Re: Department 56
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38202	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 1/15/2006
Subject: S-Trains: eBay and selling etiquette
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38203	From: Ironhorse	Date: 1/15/2006
Subject: Re: k-line
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38204	From: FEZANDPAZ@aol.com	Date: 1/15/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2909
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38205	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 1/15/2006
Subject: Re: Another Rainy Day Project - Lionel AF
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38206	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 1/15/2006
Subject: Re: k-line
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38207	From: tedcanflyer	Date: 1/15/2006
Subject: Trains near Palm Springs CA???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38208	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 1/15/2006
Subject: Re: Another Rainy Day Project - Lionel AF
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38209	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 1/15/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2909
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38210	From: jhwysopal	Date: 1/15/2006
Subject: "Modern day" steam engines
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38211	From: Roy Inman	Date: 1/15/2006
Subject: Re: Another Rainy Day Project - Lionel AF
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38212	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 1/15/2006
Subject: Re: Another Rainy Day Project - Lionel AF
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38213	From: keefer1	Date: 1/15/2006
Subject: SUBJECT LINE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38214	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 1/15/2006
Subject: Sunday Chat, 1/15/2006, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38215	From: keefer1	Date: 1/15/2006
Subject: lionel catalogs.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38216	From: Ironhorse	Date: 1/15/2006
Subject: Re: k-line
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38217	From: John & Maria Harvey	Date: 1/15/2006
Subject: K Line Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38218	From: Alex Sibbald	Date: 1/16/2006
Subject: Lionel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38219	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 1/16/2006
Subject: Re: S-Scale Modeling Re: Brass cabooses
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38220	From: Roy Inman	Date: 1/16/2006
Subject: Re: Lionel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38221	From: Gerald Dobbs	Date: 1/16/2006
Subject: Re: TCA dues
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38222	From: WEG138@aol.com	Date: 1/16/2006
Subject: Re: June's small world
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38223	From: muniman18	Date: 1/16/2006
Subject: dumb question #10
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38224	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 1/16/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2914
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38225	From: Robert Graves	Date: 1/16/2006
Subject: Re: Christmas Cars page is online
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38226	From: muniman18	Date: 1/16/2006
Subject: 302
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38227	From: Robert A Persing	Date: 1/16/2006
Subject: Re: Christmas Cars page is online
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38228	From: Phil K	Date: 1/16/2006
Subject: Interesting hobby shop viewpont
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38229	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 1/17/2006
Subject: Re: S-trains and York 2006
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38230	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 1/17/2006
Subject: Re: Gilbert and Lionel - AF Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38231	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 1/17/2006
Subject: Re: Replacing AF plastic wheels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38232	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 1/17/2006
Subject: Re: S-trains and York 2006
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38233	From: Mark Preman	Date: 1/17/2006
Subject: Train Show this weekend in Deland, Florida
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38234	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 1/17/2006
Subject: Re: Replacing AF plastic wheels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38235	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 1/17/2006
Subject: Re: Replacing AF plastic wheels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38236	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 1/17/2006
Subject: plastic wheels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38237	From: Doug Peck	Date: 1/17/2006
Subject: Re: Replacing AF plastic wheels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38238	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/17/2006
Subject: That 2006 Catalog
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38239	From: lynnshouse2000	Date: 1/17/2006
Subject: K-Line's future
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38240	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 1/17/2006
Subject: Re: Replacing AF plastic wheels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38241	From: frank emiro	Date: 1/17/2006
Subject: Dying lamb or You got mail
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38242	From: Roy Inman	Date: 1/17/2006
Subject: Re: That 2006 Catalog
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38243	From: Roy Inman	Date: 1/17/2006
Subject: Re: Dying lamb or You got mail
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38244	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 1/17/2006
Subject: Re: IF Mayor Street likes it, it's gotta SUCK
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38245	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 1/17/2006
Subject: Re: TCA dues
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38246	From: Roy Inman	Date: 1/17/2006
Subject: Re: IF Mayor Street likes it, it's gotta SUCK
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38247	From: mlmarmer	Date: 1/17/2006
Subject: Re: TCA dues
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38248	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 1/17/2006
Subject: Re: That 2006 Catalog
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38249	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 1/17/2006
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] Re: IF Mayor Street likes it, it's gotta SUCK
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38250	From: jackotrains	Date: 1/17/2006
Subject: 2006 American Flyer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38251	From: mlmarmer	Date: 1/17/2006
Subject: Passenger cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38252	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 1/17/2006
Subject: Re: Passenger cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38253	From: ED WHELAN	Date: 1/17/2006
Subject: Prices going down on ebay???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38254	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 1/17/2006
Subject: Re: 2006 American Flyer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38255	From: Phil K	Date: 1/17/2006
Subject: Re: Prices going down on eBay???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38256	From: Phil K	Date: 1/17/2006
Subject: Re: 2006 American Flyer -- Woo Hooooo!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38257	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/17/2006
Subject: Re: Passenger cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38258	From: keefer1	Date: 1/17/2006
Subject: Re: 2006 American Flyer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38259	From: keefer1	Date: 1/17/2006
Subject: oops!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38260	From: Phil K	Date: 1/17/2006
Subject: Re: oops!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38261	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 1/17/2006
Subject: re" Lionel Hits Homerun with 2006 Catalog
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38262	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 1/18/2006
Subject: Re: 2006 American Flyer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38263	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/18/2006
Subject: L catalog Oops! & I'm out of service for a bit.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38264	From: Alex Sibbald	Date: 1/18/2006
Subject: Lionel 2006
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38265	From: ED WHELAN	Date: 1/18/2006
Subject: Lionel Catalog - Lionel 2006 Train Catalog Volume 1
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38266	From: ED WHELAN	Date: 1/18/2006
Subject: Lionel crossing gates
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38267	From: keefer1	Date: 1/18/2006
Subject: Passenger cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38268	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 1/18/2006
Subject: Re: oops!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38269	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 1/18/2006
Subject: 2006 American Flyer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38270	From: Roy Inman	Date: 1/18/2006
Subject: Re: oops!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38271	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 1/18/2006
Subject: Re: 2006 American Flyer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38272	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 1/18/2006
Subject: Re: 2006 American Flyer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38273	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 1/18/2006
Subject: Re: 2006 American Flyer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38274	From: keefer1	Date: 1/18/2006
Subject: K-LINE DEALS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38275	From: Phil K	Date: 1/18/2006
Subject: Re: K-LINE DEALS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38276	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 1/18/2006
Subject: Re: 2006 American Flyer/PRR
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38277	From: keefer1	Date: 1/18/2006
Subject: Fwd: New Lionel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38278	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 1/18/2006
Subject: Flyonel pricing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38279	From: Phil K	Date: 1/18/2006
Subject: Re: New Flyonel pricing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38280	From: Richard Hosmer	Date: 1/18/2006
Subject: Re: oops!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38281	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 1/18/2006
Subject: NEW LIONEL
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38282	From: keefer1	Date: 1/18/2006
Subject: New Lionel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38283	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 1/18/2006
Subject: Re: Flyonel's new Heavyweights
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38284	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 1/18/2006
Subject: Re: Steam Engine Wish List
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38285	From: Furmanak, Stan	Date: 1/18/2006
Subject: SHS Frank Titman Commemorative Spiral Hill Hopper; pic and order in
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38286	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 1/18/2006
Subject: Re: Steam Engine Wish List
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38287	From: frank emiro	Date: 1/18/2006
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] Lionel Catalog - Lionel 2006 Train Catalog Volume 1
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38288	From: keefer1	Date: 1/18/2006
Subject: Re: oops!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38289	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 1/18/2006
Subject: Re: Steam Engine Wish List
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38290	From: BENJAMIN PERRY	Date: 1/18/2006
Subject: Re: Steam Engine Wish List
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38291	From: Neil	Date: 1/18/2006
Subject: Re: Flyonel's new Heavyweights
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38292	From: mlmarmer	Date: 1/18/2006
Subject: Re: Prices going down on ebay???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38293	From: mlmarmer	Date: 1/18/2006
Subject: Re: Passenger cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38294	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 1/18/2006
Subject: Re: Steam Engine Wish List, K5s'
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38295	From: mlmarmer	Date: 1/18/2006
Subject: Aluminum Polish
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38296	From: Robert A Persing	Date: 1/18/2006
Subject: Re: Passenger cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38297	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 1/18/2006
Subject: Passenger Cars - Rarity of Coach 661/961
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38298	From: Alan Bataille	Date: 1/18/2006
Subject: S Steam Freight Set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38299	From: keefer1	Date: 1/18/2006
Subject: Re: Passenger Cars - Rarity of Coach 661/961
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38300	From: kenwoodies1	Date: 1/18/2006
Subject: Re: 661 in set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38301	From: ED WHELAN	Date: 1/18/2006
Subject: A Perpetual A.F. Library fo all ?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38302	From: Randall L. Griggs	Date: 1/18/2006
Subject: Do all LEDs need to have resistors - if only using battery power?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38303	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 1/18/2006
Subject: Re: Prices going down on ebay???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38304	From: jayhoo64	Date: 1/19/2006
Subject: Re: New Lionel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38305	From: Alex Sibbald	Date: 1/19/2006
Subject: loco cufflinks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38306	From: mlmarmer	Date: 1/19/2006
Subject: Re: 661 in set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38307	From: muniman18	Date: 1/19/2006
Subject: dumb question #11
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38308	From: mlmarmer	Date: 1/19/2006
Subject: Re: Prices going down on ebay???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38309	From: wpporter@duckburg.us	Date: 1/19/2006
Subject: Re: Do all LEDs need to have resistors - if only using battery pow
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38310	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 1/19/2006
Subject: Re: 661 in set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38311	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 1/19/2006
Subject: Re: Passenger Cars - Rarity of Coach 661/961
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38312	From: Phil K	Date: 1/19/2006
Subject: Re: 661 in sets
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38313	From: mlmarmer	Date: 1/19/2006
Subject: Re: 661 in sets
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38314	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 1/19/2006
Subject: 3 rail Flyer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38315	From: geep39	Date: 1/19/2006
Subject: ebay prices falling?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38316	From: geep39	Date: 1/19/2006
Subject: Re: 661 passenger car rarity
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38317	From: Phil K	Date: 1/19/2006
Subject: Re: ebay prices falling?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38318	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 1/19/2006
Subject: Re: 661 passenger car rarity
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38319	From: Richard Hosmer	Date: 1/19/2006
Subject: Re: ebay prices falling?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38320	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 1/19/2006
Subject: Re: Flyonel's new Heavyweights
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38321	From: mlmarmer	Date: 1/19/2006
Subject: Cleaning rails
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38322	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 1/19/2006
Subject: Re: Cleaning rails
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38323	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 1/19/2006
Subject: 21107 Atlantic
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38324	From: theheadliner	Date: 1/19/2006
Subject: Re: ebay prices falling?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38325	From: daysend40	Date: 1/19/2006
Subject: AF 18B Transformer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38326	From: John Foley	Date: 1/19/2006
Subject: Rich Yoder Models
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38327	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 1/19/2006
Subject: Re: Flyonel 6-48023 GP-9
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38328	From: mlmarmer	Date: 1/19/2006
Subject: Re: Cleaning rails
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38329	From: mlmarmer	Date: 1/19/2006
Subject: Re: ebay prices falling?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38330	From: Phil K	Date: 1/19/2006
Subject: Re: Flyonel 6-48023 GP-9
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38331	From: Eric & Jean	Date: 1/19/2006
Subject: Looking for Vince Brunette
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38332	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/19/2006
Subject: the new heavyweights
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38333	From: joan dienst	Date: 1/19/2006
Subject: 21140 Northern Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38334	From: Phil K	Date: 1/20/2006
Subject: Re: 21140 Northern Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38335	From: glenn allen	Date: 1/20/2006
Subject: Re: New Lionel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38336	From: keefer1	Date: 1/20/2006
Subject: heavies
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38337	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 1/20/2006
Subject: Re: the new heavyweights
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38338	From: Don	Date: 1/20/2006
Subject: Cleaning track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38339	From: femiro2002@yahoo.com	Date: 1/20/2006
Subject: PENNSY K 5's
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38340	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 1/20/2006
Subject: Re: Cleaning track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38341	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 1/20/2006
Subject: Re: Cleaning track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38342	From: bobsegilia	Date: 1/20/2006
Subject: unknown transformer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38343	From: wintermutedm	Date: 1/20/2006
Subject: Re: unknown transformer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38344	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 1/20/2006
Subject: Re: New Lionel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38345	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 1/20/2006
Subject: Re: Flyonel 6-48023 GP-9
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38346	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 1/20/2006
Subject: Re: ebay prices falling?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38347	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 1/20/2006
Subject: Re: 21140 Northern Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38348	From: Art Shifrin	Date: 1/20/2006
Subject: Converting prewar AF 3/16s engines to S
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38349	From: Phil K	Date: 1/20/2006
Subject: Re: 21140 Northern Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38350	From: mlmarmer	Date: 1/20/2006
Subject: Ebay pricing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38351	From: mlmarmer	Date: 1/20/2006
Subject: Re: 21140 Northern Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38352	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 1/20/2006
Subject: Re: ebay prices falling?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38353	From: Phil K	Date: 1/20/2006
Subject: Value and minor repair/restorations
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38354	From: frank emiro	Date: 1/20/2006
Subject: Fwd: Re: [S-Trains] Dying lamb or You got mail
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38355	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/20/2006
Subject: Re: unknown transformer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38356	From: Don Thompson	Date: 1/20/2006
Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: [S-Trains] Dying lamb or You got mail
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38357	From: Gerald Dobbs	Date: 1/20/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2920
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38358	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 1/20/2006
Subject: Re: Cleaning track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38359	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 1/20/2006
Subject: Re: ebay prices falling?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38360	From: colleenandrob	Date: 1/20/2006
Subject: 928 log car (4259 ) Pressed wood or not?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38361	From: Doug Peck	Date: 1/20/2006
Subject: Six replies
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38362	From: mlmarmer	Date: 1/20/2006
Subject: Re: Value and minor repair/restorations
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38363	From: mlmarmer	Date: 1/20/2006
Subject: For what it's worth
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38364	From: mlmarmer	Date: 1/20/2006
Subject: Re: Value and minor repair/restorations
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38365	From: Mark Preman	Date: 1/20/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2921
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38366	From: jjmemmer@aol.com	Date: 1/20/2006
Subject: Heavyweight frames
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38367	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 1/20/2006
Subject: Greenberg York Pa train show 1/21-22/06
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38368	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/21/2006
Subject: Re: Cleaning track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38369	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 1/21/2006
Subject: Re: Greenberg York Pa train show 1/21-22/06
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38370	From: FEZANDPAZ@aol.com	Date: 1/21/2006
Subject: Re: Cleaning rails
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38371	From: Donald Munsey Jr.	Date: 1/21/2006
Subject: For Sale - Lionel 100th ANniversary Alarm Clock
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38372	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 1/21/2006
Subject: Re: 21140 Northern Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38373	From: Phil K	Date: 1/21/2006
Subject: Re: 21140 Northern Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38374	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 1/21/2006
Subject: AF Wiring Color Code
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38375	From: Gary Chudzinski	Date: 1/21/2006
Subject: Re: Track Cleaning
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38376	From: jt12313	Date: 1/21/2006
Subject: Flyonel geep dynamic brake/fan housing wanted.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38377	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 1/21/2006
Subject: Re: AF Wiring Color Code
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38378	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/21/2006
Subject: Polishing--aluminum cars & track.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38379	From: jt12313	Date: 1/21/2006
Subject: Any home machinists on the list???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38380	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 1/21/2006
Subject: Re: 21140 Northern Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38381	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 1/21/2006
Subject: Re: 21140 Northern Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38382	From: Phil K	Date: 1/21/2006
Subject: Hot rumor about heavyweights
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38383	From: FEZANDPAZ@aol.com	Date: 1/21/2006
Subject: Re: Polishing--aluminum cars & track.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38384	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 1/21/2006
Subject: Re: 21140 Northern Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38385	From: Alex Sibbald	Date: 1/21/2006
Subject: ludicrous
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38386	From: mlmarmer	Date: 1/21/2006
Subject: Re: Polishing--aluminum cars & track.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38387	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 1/21/2006
Subject: Re: 21140 Northern Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38388	From: mlmarmer	Date: 1/21/2006
Subject: Re: Six replies
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38389	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 1/21/2006
Subject: Re: Greenberg York Pa train show 1/21-22/06
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38390	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 1/21/2006
Subject: Re: Greenberg York Pa train show 1/21-22/06
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38391	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 1/21/2006
Subject: Re: ludicrous
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38392	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 1/21/2006
Subject: Re: Hot rumor about heavyweights
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38393	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 1/21/2006
Subject: Sunday Chat, 1/22/2006, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38394	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 1/21/2006
Subject: Re: Deland Florida Train Show!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38395	From: muniman18	Date: 1/21/2006
Subject: engine 310
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38396	From: Bruce Papky	Date: 1/21/2006
Subject: Track cleaning...no longer drudgery.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38397	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 1/21/2006
Subject: Re: ludicrous
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38398	From: Robert Graves	Date: 1/21/2006
Subject: Re: ludicrous
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38399	From: Scott Holm	Date: 1/21/2006
Subject: Re: ludicrous
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38400	From: paflyrman	Date: 1/21/2006
Subject: 21140 Northern Plastic Tender
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38401	From: Art Shifrin	Date: 1/21/2006
Subject: Shiffy wants to know...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38402	From: Phil K	Date: 1/21/2006
Subject: Re: ludicrous
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38403	From: Phil K	Date: 1/21/2006
Subject: Re: Hot rumor about heavyweights
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38404	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/22/2006
Subject: ACG product question (sorry, not a train)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38405	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 1/22/2006
Subject: New photos added to STUMPY'S STUFF
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38406	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 1/22/2006
Subject: Owl Nesting Season has started.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38407	From: Alex Sibbald	Date: 1/22/2006
Subject: missed the point??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38408	From: rkuepper	Date: 1/22/2006
Subject: Re: New photos added to STUMPY'S STUFF
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38409	From: Phil K	Date: 1/22/2006
Subject: Re: New photos added to STUMPY'S STUFF
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38410	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 1/22/2006
Subject: Re: missed the point??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38411	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 1/22/2006
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] Greenberg York Pa train show 1/21-22/06
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38412	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 1/22/2006
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] Greenberg York Pa train show 1/21-22/06
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38413	From: Don	Date: 1/22/2006
Subject: Thanks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38414	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/22/2006
Subject: More on polishing aluminum cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38415	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 1/22/2006
Subject: Sunday Chat, 1/22/2006, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38416	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 1/22/2006
Subject: Re: ACG product question (sorry, not a train)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38417	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/22/2006
Subject: Re: track cleaning
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38418	From: Alex Sibbald	Date: 1/22/2006
Subject: make it and they will come
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38419	From: Robert Graves	Date: 1/22/2006
Subject: More Gilbert Galleries are now online
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38420	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 1/22/2006
Subject: Re: make it and they will come
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38421	From: Robert Graves	Date: 1/22/2006
Subject: Re: make it and they will come
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38422	From: Robert Graves	Date: 1/22/2006
Subject: Gilbert Variations
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38423	From: Eric & Jean	Date: 1/22/2006
Subject: to: Vince Brunette of Lees Summit, MO.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38424	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 1/22/2006
Subject: Re: make it and they will come
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38425	From: manderman	Date: 1/22/2006
Subject: Re: make it and they will come
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38426	From: knockbill	Date: 1/23/2006
Subject: Bulb removers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38427	From: Sam and Judy Williamson	Date: 1/23/2006
Subject: Re: make it and they will come
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38428	From: Gerald Dobbs	Date: 1/23/2006
Subject: S Gaugian
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38429	From: manderman	Date: 1/23/2006
Subject: Re: make it and they will come
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38430	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 1/23/2006
Subject: Re: AF Switches and American Model Engines
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38431	From: Mark Preman	Date: 1/23/2006
Subject: Train Show at the Tampa Fairgrounds this Weekend
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38432	From: sjtewks	Date: 1/23/2006
Subject: For easier future bulb removal
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38433	From: judgeatkck2002	Date: 1/23/2006
Subject: 779 Oil Drum Loader
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38434	From: jconn444	Date: 1/23/2006
Subject: Re: unknown transformer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38435	From: rongk2005	Date: 1/24/2006
Subject: american models track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38436	From: Bill Lane	Date: 1/24/2006
Subject: Pennsy S Models Update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38437	From: Robert A Persing	Date: 1/24/2006
Subject: Re: make it and they will come
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38438	From: conehammer	Date: 1/24/2006
Subject: S gauge track and switches
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38439	From: Nick and Becky Colleran	Date: 1/24/2006
Subject: Bulb remover & flasher
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38440	From: sjtewks	Date: 1/24/2006
Subject: Bulb grease
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38441	From: Charles E. Smith	Date: 1/24/2006
Subject: Re: american models track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38442	From: Bruce D. Willis	Date: 1/24/2006
Subject: Santa Fe B-unit for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38443	From: Bruce D. Willis	Date: 1/24/2006
Subject: Re: Bulb remover & flasher
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38444	From: Rhett George	Date: 1/24/2006
Subject: Short message for D. Reynolds
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38445	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 1/24/2006
Subject: Re: make it and they will come
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38446	From: lember2004	Date: 1/24/2006
Subject: what's inside a 709 Lockout Eliminator?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38447	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 1/24/2006
Subject: Re: York April Meet
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38448	From: muniman18	Date: 1/24/2006
Subject: commutator cleaning
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38449	From: daysend40	Date: 1/24/2006
Subject: AF 4-6-2
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38450	From: Roy Inman	Date: 1/24/2006
Subject: Re: S-Scale Modeling Passenger cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38451	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 1/24/2006
Subject: re;AF 4-6-2
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38452	From: chin_locke	Date: 1/24/2006
Subject: 960 Passenger Cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38453	From: Robert Graves	Date: 1/24/2006
Subject: Re: what's inside a 709 Lockout Eliminator?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38454	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 1/24/2006
Subject: re;S gauge track and switches
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38455	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/24/2006
Subject: boxes, collectibles & that Kidney Stone
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38456	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 1/25/2006
Subject: Server Trouble
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38457	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 1/25/2006
Subject: Re: 960 Passenger Cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38458	From: Roy Plotnick	Date: 1/25/2006
Subject: Re: Subject: boxes, collectibles & that Kidney Stone
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38459	From: muniman18	Date: 1/25/2006
Subject: DUMB QUESTION # 12
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38460	From: Art Shifrin	Date: 1/25/2006
Subject: Bulb extractor
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38461	From: tomminil@aol.com	Date: 1/25/2006
Subject: Re: Subject: boxes, collectibles & that Kidney Stone
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38462	From: Scott Holm	Date: 1/25/2006
Subject: Re: boxes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38463	From: Jon Marinello	Date: 1/25/2006
Subject: For Sale on eBay: New S-Helper Service #00522 Great Northern Rebuil
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38464	From: trainnut2us	Date: 1/25/2006
Subject: Am Models 484
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38465	From: Don	Date: 1/25/2006
Subject: Switch controls
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38466	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 1/25/2006
Subject: Re;S scale modeling passenger cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38467	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 1/25/2006
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] RE: Subject: boxes, collectibles & that Kidney Stone
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38468	From: aglorince	Date: 1/25/2006
Subject: Re: Am Models 484
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38469	From: ED WHELAN	Date: 1/25/2006
Subject: Re: Am Models 484
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38470	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 1/25/2006
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] boxes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38471	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 1/25/2006
Subject: Fwd: HUGE MODEL TRAIN SHOW AT TIMONIUM MD FEB. 4-5
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38472	From: mlmarmer	Date: 1/25/2006
Subject: Re: Subject: boxes, collectibles & that Kidney Stone
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38473	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 1/25/2006
Subject: Re: Am Models 484
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38474	From: tomminil@aol.com	Date: 1/25/2006
Subject: PICTURES OF AF TRAIN STUFF FOR SALE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38475	From: Roy Inman	Date: 1/25/2006
Subject: Re: Am Models 484
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38476	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 1/25/2006
Subject: Re: Subject: boxes, collectibles & that Kidney Stone
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38477	From: tomminil@aol.com	Date: 1/25/2006
Subject: Re: Switch controls
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38478	From: mlmarmer	Date: 1/25/2006
Subject: Re: Subject: boxes, collectibles & that Kidney Stone
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38479	From: tomminil@aol.com	Date: 1/26/2006
Subject: Re: Subject: boxes, collectibles & that Kidney Stone
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38480	From: Doug Peck	Date: 1/26/2006
Subject: Sellios layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38481	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 1/26/2006
Subject: website rebuild update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38482	From: tallcornac@aol.com	Date: 1/26/2006
Subject: Lionel AmFlyer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38483	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 1/26/2006
Subject: Re: S-Scale Modeling Long passenger cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38484	From: aflyerfann	Date: 1/26/2006
Subject: steam chest
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38485	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 1/26/2006
Subject: Re: boxes, collectibles & that Kidney Stone
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38486	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 1/26/2006
Subject: Re: Subject: boxes, collectibles & that Kidney Stone
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38487	From: mvandiver2@aol.com	Date: 1/26/2006
Subject: Thanks to Paul Yorke
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38488	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 1/26/2006
Subject: Re: Subject: boxes, collectibles & that Kidney Stone
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38489	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 1/26/2006
Subject: Re: S-Scale Modeling Long passenger cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38490	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 1/26/2006
Subject: Flyonel roller pick ups?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38491	From: Art Shifrin	Date: 1/26/2006
Subject: Boxes (aka packaging)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38492	From: Larry Moore	Date: 1/26/2006
Subject: Air Chime Whistle
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38493	From: romoyer@att.net	Date: 1/26/2006
Subject: Ball bearings for AF steam
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38494	From: charlie and edith	Date: 1/27/2006
Subject: Set, value, help
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38495	From: jayhoo64	Date: 1/27/2006
Subject: Re: Thanks to Paul Yorke
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38496	From: mlmarmer	Date: 1/27/2006
Subject: eBay Ultra Rare Acme Salesman Sample Traffic Signal Light (item 603
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38497	From: colleenandrob	Date: 1/27/2006
Subject: Pullman question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38498	From: RCESpeak	Date: 1/27/2006
Subject: Re: eBay Ultra Rare Acme Salesman Sample Traffic Signal Light (item
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38499	From: EUGENE HAGERMAN	Date: 1/27/2006
Subject: Re: 2in1 Whistle
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38500	From: mlmarmer	Date: 1/27/2006
Subject: Re: eBay Ultra Rare Acme Salesman Sample Traffic Signal Light (item
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38501	From: larry999970123	Date: 1/27/2006
Subject: American Models E8 and American Models Switches
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38502	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 1/27/2006
Subject: Re: American Models E8 and American Models Switches
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38503	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 1/27/2006
Subject: S Scale Steeplecabs are here
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38504	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 1/27/2006
Subject: Re: Pullman question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38505	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 1/27/2006
Subject: Re: Thanks to Paul Yorke
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38506	From: Charles E. Smith	Date: 1/27/2006
Subject: Re: Pullman question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38507	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 1/27/2006
Subject: Re: Replacing AF plastic wheels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38508	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 1/27/2006
Subject: Re: S Scale Steeplecabs are here
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38509	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 1/27/2006
Subject: "L" NEW HEAVY WEIGHTS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38510	From: firex43	Date: 1/27/2006
Subject: Parts Needed: AF 30 B Volt Meter Trim
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38511	From: Roy Inman	Date: 1/27/2006
Subject: Re: "L" NEW HEAVY WEIGHTS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38512	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 1/27/2006
Subject: New "L" catalog
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38513	From: Ironhorse	Date: 1/27/2006
Subject: ACG Steam loco pilots
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38514	From: Scott Holm	Date: 1/27/2006
Subject: Re: Air Chime Whistle
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38515	From: kenwoodies1	Date: 1/28/2006
Subject: Re: New "L" catalog
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38516	From: joan dienst	Date: 1/28/2006
Subject: Question about paint
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38517	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 1/28/2006
Subject: Re: Thanks to Paul Yorke
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38518	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 1/28/2006
Subject: Who has a secure web site, takes plastic, and carries Bar Mill's G
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38519	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 1/28/2006
Subject: Building MRRW Steeple Cab Kits
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38520	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 1/28/2006
Subject: Fw: S GAUGE TRAIN MEMBERS!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38521	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 1/28/2006
Subject: Re: Building MRRW Steeple Cab Kits
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38522	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 1/28/2006
Subject: Re: Building MRRW Steeple Cab Kits
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38523	From: Robert Graves	Date: 1/28/2006
Subject: Questions on couplers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38524	From: lember2004	Date: 1/28/2006
Subject: Responses to ? on Lockout Eliminator "insides"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38525	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 1/28/2006
Subject: Re: Question about paint
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38526	From: Lance McCold	Date: 1/28/2006
Subject: Re: American Models E8 and American Models Switches
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38527	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 1/28/2006
Subject: Off Topic;speed warning
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38528	From: uvl97222	Date: 1/28/2006
Subject: # 25 smoke
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38529	From: Robert Graves	Date: 1/28/2006
Subject: Boxcar hatches?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38530	From: David Engle	Date: 1/28/2006
Subject: Re: # 25 smoke
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38531	From: David Engle	Date: 1/28/2006
Subject: Re: Boxcar hatches?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38532	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 1/28/2006
Subject: Sunday Chat, 1/29/2006, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38533	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 1/28/2006
Subject: Fwd: No Ben No way
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38534	From: Ironhorse	Date: 1/28/2006
Subject: Re: Questions on couplers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38535	From: Charles E. Smith	Date: 1/29/2006
Subject: Re: Questions on couplers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38536	From: jayhoo64	Date: 1/29/2006
Subject: Re: American Models E8 and American Models Switches
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38537	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 1/29/2006
Subject: Re;boxcar hatches
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38538	From: Eric Child	Date: 1/29/2006
Subject: Solid Coupler
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38539	From: Sam and Judy Williamson	Date: 1/29/2006
Subject: Re: Boxcar hatches?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38540	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 1/29/2006
Subject: Re: Solid Coupler
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38541	From: mlmarmer	Date: 1/29/2006
Subject: Ebay experience
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38542	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 1/29/2006
Subject: Sunday Chat, 1/29/2006, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38543	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 1/29/2006
Subject: S Chat, Paul's site down, enter via this link!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38544	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 1/29/2006
Subject: Re: S Chat, Paul's site down, enter via this link!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38545	From: daysend40	Date: 1/29/2006
Subject: SHS F3
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38546	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 1/29/2006
Subject: Re: Solid Coupler
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38547	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 1/29/2006
Subject: Re: SHS F3
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38548	From: jjmemmer@aol.com	Date: 1/29/2006
Subject: Hatches and roofwalks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38549	From: mlmarmer	Date: 1/29/2006
Subject: ebay experience
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38550	From: Dave W	Date: 1/29/2006
Subject: Motor frustrations
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38551	From: Gerald Dobbs	Date: 1/29/2006
Subject: Re: Subject: # 25 smoke
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38552	From: mlmarmer	Date: 1/29/2006
Subject: Re: ebay experience
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38553	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 1/30/2006
Subject: Re: S Scale/Gauge - Automobiles & Trucks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38554	From: Thomas Doherty	Date: 1/30/2006
Subject: Re: Building MRRW Steeple Cab Kits
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38555	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 1/30/2006
Subject: Re: Building MRRW Steeple Cab Kits
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38556	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 1/30/2006
Subject: TOY SHOW FIND
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38557	From: Doug Peck	Date: 1/30/2006
Subject: 2006 AF
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38558	From: Scott Holm	Date: 1/30/2006
Subject: Re: Motor frustrations
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38559	From: Bill Clark	Date: 1/30/2006
Subject: SHS 2-8-0s at West Springfield
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38560	From: larry999970123	Date: 1/30/2006
Subject: Re: American Models E8 and American Models Switches
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38561	From: ken garber	Date: 1/30/2006
Subject: Re: boxcar hatches
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38562	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 1/30/2006
Subject: Re: S Scale/Gauge - Automobiles & Trucks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38563	From: Bruce D. Willis	Date: 1/30/2006
Subject: Pikemaster track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38564	From: muniman18	Date: 1/30/2006
Subject: dumb question #12 commutator cleaning
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38565	From: Richard Clouse	Date: 1/30/2006
Subject: Re: S Scale/Gauge - Automobiles & Trucks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38566	From: butchclimax	Date: 1/30/2006
Subject: Re: boxcar hatches
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38567	From: mlmarmer	Date: 1/30/2006
Subject: Lesson learn
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38568	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 1/30/2006
Subject: Re: S Scale/Gauge - Automobiles & Trucks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38569	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 1/30/2006
Subject: Re;re;boxcar hatches
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38570	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 1/30/2006
Subject: Re;S scale/gauge Automobiles & trucks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38571	From: David Engle	Date: 1/30/2006
Subject: Re: Re;re;boxcar hatches
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38572	From: BENJAMIN PERRY	Date: 1/30/2006
Subject: Re: Re;re;boxcar hatches
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38573	From: jayhoo64	Date: 1/30/2006
Subject: Re: S Scale/Gauge - Automobiles & Trucks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38574	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 1/30/2006
Subject: Reliance Fire House Train Show at York April 2006
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38575	From: charlie and edith	Date: 1/30/2006
Subject: K335 Set questions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38576	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/30/2006
Subject: Re: S Scale/Gauge - Automobiles & Trucks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38577	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 1/31/2006
Subject: I stand corrected!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38578	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 1/31/2006
Subject: Re;S scale/gauge Automobiles & Trucks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38579	From: keith erhart	Date: 1/31/2006
Subject: Diamond stack
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38580	From: G C	Date: 1/31/2006
Subject: Re: I stand corrected!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38581	From: BENJAMIN PERRY	Date: 1/31/2006
Subject: Re: I stand corrected!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38582	From: mlmarmer	Date: 1/31/2006
Subject: Re: TOY SHOW FIND
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38583	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 1/31/2006
Subject: Re: Request - TMCC 12969
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38584	From: Gerald Dobbs	Date: 1/31/2006
Subject: Model Builder Magazines
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38585	From: Jim Ensign	Date: 1/31/2006
Subject: Track Trips
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38586	From: Gregory Klein	Date: 1/31/2006
Subject: Re: Fwd: HUGE MODEL TRAIN SHOW AT TIMONIUM MD FEB. 4-5
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38587	From: Bill Clark	Date: 1/31/2006
Subject: SHS 2-8-0 LocoMatic Video
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38588	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 1/31/2006
Subject: Re: Re;S-Scale Trucks - Check out Winross
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38589	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 1/31/2006
Subject: Re: Lesson learn- more E-bay fake track...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38590	From: mlmarmer	Date: 1/31/2006
Subject: Re: Lesson learn- more E-bay fake track...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38591	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 1/31/2006
Subject: NASG Contest Rules
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38592	From: lember2004	Date: 1/31/2006
Subject: 1946 operating cars question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38593	From: Gerald Dobbs	Date: 1/31/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2935
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38594	From: Robert Graves	Date: 2/1/2006
Subject: Boxcars join the Gilbert Gallery
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38595	From: ED WHELAN	Date: 2/1/2006
Subject: STYROFOAM TUNNELS/MOUNTAINS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38596	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 2/1/2006
Subject: free webcam?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38597	From: RCESpeak	Date: 2/1/2006
Subject: Re: Boxcars join the Gilbert Gallery
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38598	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 2/1/2006
Subject: Re: Pikemaster track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38599	From: Jim Ensign	Date: 2/1/2006
Subject: Source for AF paint colors
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38600	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 2/1/2006
Subject: Re: STYROFOAM TUNNELS/MOUNTAINS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38601	From: ED WHELAN	Date: 2/1/2006
Subject: Re: Source for AF paint colors
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38602	From: Charles E. Smith	Date: 2/1/2006
Subject: Re: STYROFOAM TUNNELS/MOUNTAINS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38603	From: keefer1	Date: 2/1/2006
Subject: Re: Source for AF paint colors
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38604	From: Furmanak, Stan	Date: 2/1/2006
Subject: LVSG - SHS Frank Titman Spiral Hill USRA hopper
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38605	From: ED WHELAN	Date: 2/1/2006
Subject: Re: Source for AF paint colors
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38606	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 2/1/2006
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] Source for AF paint colors
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38607	From: Roy Inman	Date: 2/1/2006
Subject: Re: Source for AF paint colors
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38608	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 2/1/2006
Subject: Re;Styrofoam tunnels/mountains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38609	From: Phil K	Date: 2/1/2006
Subject: Re: Source for AF paint colors
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38610	From: tomminil@aol.com	Date: 2/1/2006
Subject: Re: Boxcars join the Gilbert Gallery
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38611	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 2/1/2006
Subject: Re: Source for AF paint colors
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38612	From: Lance McCold	Date: 2/1/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2936
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38613	From: Dave W	Date: 2/1/2006
Subject: Re: Motor frustrations
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38614	From: ED WHELAN	Date: 2/2/2006
Subject: Re: Source for AF paint colors
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38615	From: lember2004	Date: 2/2/2006
Subject: Answer received to '46 operating car question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38616	From: charlie and edith	Date: 2/2/2006
Subject: K335 Electrical Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38617	From: Furmanak, Stan	Date: 2/2/2006
Subject: Lehigh Valley S Gaugers news
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38618	From: ED WHELAN	Date: 2/2/2006
Subject: Re: Source for AF paint colors
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38619	From: Mark Preman	Date: 2/2/2006
Subject: American Flyer Trains for Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38620	From: John G	Date: 2/2/2006
Subject: Re: K335 Electrical Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38621	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 2/2/2006
Subject: Re: K335 Electrical Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38622	From: captwaterfall	Date: 2/2/2006
Subject: space between drive wheels on steam engins
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38623	From: Scott Holm	Date: 2/2/2006
Subject: Re: Track Trips
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38624	From: Scott Holm	Date: 2/2/2006
Subject: Re: Source for AF paint colors
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38625	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 2/2/2006
Subject: Spring Spree
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38626	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 2/2/2006
Subject: Re: Source for AF paint colors
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38627	From: ED WHELAN	Date: 2/2/2006
Subject: Re: Source for AF paint colors
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38628	From: Phil K	Date: 2/3/2006
Subject: How did these original AGC smoke cartridges survive?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38629	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 2/3/2006
Subject: Re: How did these original AGC smoke cartridges survive?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38630	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 2/3/2006
Subject: gauging Flyer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38631	From: muniman18	Date: 2/3/2006
Subject: re paint
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38632	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 2/3/2006
Subject: Source for AF paint colors
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38633	From: Bruce D. Willis	Date: 2/3/2006
Subject: Need wiring information for 336 w/air chime whistle
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38634	From: Bruce D. Willis	Date: 2/3/2006
Subject: Re: How did these original AGC smoke cartridges survive?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38635	From: charlie and edith	Date: 2/3/2006
Subject: K335
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38636	From: Ed Eckert	Date: 2/3/2006
Subject: 'O' Scale 'S' Scale West in Santa Clara
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38637	From: ED WHELAN	Date: 2/4/2006
Subject: Re: re paint
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38638	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 2/4/2006
Subject: Re: STYROFOAM TUNNELS/MOUNTAINS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38639	From: Joseph Higgins	Date: 2/4/2006
Subject: Re: re paint
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38640	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 2/4/2006
Subject: Sunday Chat, 2/5/2006, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38641	From: firex43	Date: 2/4/2006
Subject: 696 Track Trip
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38642	From: lember2004	Date: 2/4/2006
Subject: how much will an AF405 pull?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38643	From: Michael T Kolosseus	Date: 2/4/2006
Subject: AF list available.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38644	From: Larry Moore	Date: 2/4/2006
Subject: Air chime whistle
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38645	From: David Cooke	Date: 2/4/2006
Subject: S Scale for sale Bargain prices
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38646	From: Keith Thompson	Date: 2/4/2006
Subject: Cleaning AF
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38647	From: rkuepper	Date: 2/4/2006
Subject: Re: how much will an AF405 pull?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38648	From: Ed Eckert	Date: 2/5/2006
Subject: Day 2, O/S Scale West, Santa Clara
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38649	From: Don Thompson	Date: 2/5/2006
Subject: Re: Day 2, O/S Scale West, Santa Clara
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38650	From: jhwysopal	Date: 2/5/2006
Subject: Cleaning AF cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38651	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 2/5/2006
Subject: Any wisdom on selecting a Common / Base Post rail?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38652	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 2/5/2006
Subject: Sunday Chat, 2/5/2006, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38653	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 2/5/2006
Subject: Track Cleaning
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38654	From: Phil K	Date: 2/5/2006
Subject: Lost message found
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38655	From: Keith Blanchard	Date: 2/5/2006
Subject: Re: 'O' Scale 'S' Scale West in Santa Clara
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38656	From: John	Date: 2/5/2006
Subject: 591 crossing gate
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38657	From: Phil K	Date: 2/5/2006
Subject: Here's the Lionel Dumbest moments award copy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38658	From: Roy Inman	Date: 2/5/2006
Subject: Cook Paint car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38659	From: Dave W	Date: 2/6/2006
Subject: 101 Dumbest Moments in Business
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38660	From: Keith Thompson	Date: 2/6/2006
Subject: dealing with a rust spot
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38661	From: David Cooke	Date: 2/6/2006
Subject: 2 x ESPEE Depots W A Drake and Co for Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38662	From: hellonc99	Date: 2/6/2006
Subject: Blatant Ad -- For Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38663	From: Jim Ensign	Date: 2/6/2006
Subject: Paint Match
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38664	From: jaytewilli	Date: 2/6/2006
Subject: Electronic Whistle Control
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38665	From: mlmarmer	Date: 2/6/2006
Subject: Passenger Cars, Revisted
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38666	From: mlmarmer	Date: 2/6/2006
Subject: Washington Post
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38667	From: mlmarmer	Date: 2/6/2006
Subject: Chantilly Train Show
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38668	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 2/6/2006
Subject: Re: Electronic Whistle Control
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38669	From: Charles E. Smith	Date: 2/6/2006
Subject: Re: Any wisdom on selecting a Common / Base Post rail?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38670	From: Scott Holm	Date: 2/6/2006
Subject: Re: Electronic Whistle Control
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38671	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 2/6/2006
Subject: Re: Electronic Whistle Control
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38672	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 2/6/2006
Subject: Re: S-Scale People
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38673	From: G C	Date: 2/6/2006
Subject: AF Reading Atlantic
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38674	From: manderman	Date: 2/6/2006
Subject: Re: Chantilly Train Show
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38675	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 2/6/2006
Subject: Re: Electronic Whistle Control
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38676	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 2/6/2006
Subject: Re: Electronic Whistle Control
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38677	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 2/7/2006
Subject: Re;S scale people
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38678	From: Don Thompson	Date: 2/7/2006
Subject: Re: S-Scale People
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38679	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 2/7/2006
Subject: Re: Re;S scale people
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38680	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 2/7/2006
Subject: Allentown train meet February 25 & 26 2006
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38681	From: Keith Blanchard	Date: 2/7/2006
Subject: Let's Help Our Friends!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38682	From: Keith Blanchard	Date: 2/7/2006
Subject: Let's Help Our Friends more contact info
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38683	From: Art Shifrin	Date: 2/7/2006
Subject: Duke & train music
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38684	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 2/7/2006
Subject: Re - Duke & train music
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38685	From: G C	Date: 2/7/2006
Subject: Mark Rocket Fuel Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38686	From: Clay Buckage	Date: 2/7/2006
Subject: Re: Duke & train music
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38687	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 2/7/2006
Subject: Re: Let's Help Our Friends!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38688	From: Scott Holm	Date: 2/7/2006
Subject: Re: Mark Rocket Fuel Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38689	From: G C	Date: 2/7/2006
Subject: Re: Mark Rocket Fuel Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38690	From: Keith Blanchard	Date: 2/7/2006
Subject: Re: Let's Help Our Friends!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38691	From: Don	Date: 2/8/2006
Subject: passenger car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38692	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 2/8/2006
Subject: Re: passenger car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38693	From: WEG138@aol.com	Date: 2/8/2006
Subject: Re: E bay prices
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38694	From: Don	Date: 2/8/2006
Subject: Passenger car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38695	From: Sam and Judy Williamson	Date: 2/8/2006
Subject: Re: passenger car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38696	From: Jenni Sipla	Date: 2/8/2006
Subject: Re: E bay prices
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38697	From: Don	Date: 2/8/2006
Subject: Passenger Car success!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38698	From: Gerald Dobbs	Date: 2/8/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2943
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38699	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 2/8/2006
Subject: The Michael Kolosseus Layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38700	From: Phil K	Date: 2/8/2006
Subject: Re: The Michael Kolosseus Layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38701	From: lember2004	Date: 2/9/2006
Subject: Re: The Michael Kolosseus Layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38702	From: winchester54947	Date: 2/9/2006
Subject: disinfecting toys
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38703	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 2/9/2006
Subject: Re: disinfecting toys
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38704	From: Roy Inman	Date: 2/9/2006
Subject: Re: disinfecting toys
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38705	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 2/9/2006
Subject: Re: disinfecting toys
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38706	From: G C	Date: 2/9/2006
Subject: Re: disinfecting toys
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38707	From: Don	Date: 2/9/2006
Subject: Soldering
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38708	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 2/9/2006
Subject: Re: Soldering
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38709	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 2/9/2006
Subject: Re: disinfecting toys
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38710	From: manderman	Date: 2/9/2006
Subject: Re: Soldering
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38711	From: Roy Inman	Date: 2/9/2006
Subject: Re: disinfecting toys
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38712	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 2/9/2006
Subject: Re: disinfecting toys
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38713	From: Dave W	Date: 2/9/2006
Subject: Re: Motor frustrations - reverser
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38714	From: firex43	Date: 2/9/2006
Subject: 21140 Running Speeds
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38715	From: mlmarmer	Date: 2/9/2006
Subject: Historic Night!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38716	From: Bruce D. Willis	Date: 2/9/2006
Subject: Black mold?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38717	From: ED WHELAN	Date: 2/9/2006
Subject: Re: Historic Night!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38718	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 2/9/2006
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] disinfecting toys
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38719	From: RUSSELL RAWLING	Date: 2/9/2006
Subject: More than you want to know about "Germs" and toy trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38720	From: Jenni Sipla	Date: 2/10/2006
Subject: Re: Soldering
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38721	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/10/2006
Subject: Re: Historic Night!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38722	From: Jenni Sipla	Date: 2/10/2006
Subject: Re: 21140 Running Speeds
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38723	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/10/2006
Subject: Re: disinfecting toys
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38724	From: Roy Inman	Date: 2/10/2006
Subject: Re: Black mold?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38725	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 2/10/2006
Subject: Re: Soldering, and disinfecting
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38726	From: John	Date: 2/10/2006
Subject: Re: 21140 Running Speeds
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38727	From: tomminil@aol.com	Date: 2/10/2006
Subject: Re: More than you want to know about "Germs" and toy trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38728	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/10/2006
Subject: Disinfecting & soldering
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38729	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/10/2006
Subject: Re: What I've been up to--front page news!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38730	From: Art Shifrin	Date: 2/10/2006
Subject: wallpaper
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38731	From: rkuepper	Date: 2/10/2006
Subject: Re: wallpaper
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38732	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/10/2006
Subject: Subject: Re: What I've been up to--front page news!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38733	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 2/10/2006
Subject: REALLY STUPID SHIPPING
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38734	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 2/10/2006
Subject: Re: wallpaper
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38735	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 2/10/2006
Subject: Re: REALLY STUPID SHIPPING
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38736	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 2/10/2006
Subject: Re: REALLY STUPID SHIPPING
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38737	From: Phil K	Date: 2/10/2006
Subject: Re: REALLY STUPID SHIPPING
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38738	From: mlmarmer	Date: 2/10/2006
Subject: Re: Historic Night!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38739	From: mlmarmer	Date: 2/10/2006
Subject: Re: Historic Night!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38740	From: keefer1	Date: 2/10/2006
Subject: Re: REALLY STUPID SHIPPING
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38741	From: mlmarmer	Date: 2/10/2006
Subject: Re: REALLY STUPID SHIPPING
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38742	From: Charles E. Smith	Date: 2/10/2006
Subject: Re: Historic Night!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38743	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/10/2006
Subject: : Re: What I've been up to--front page news!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38744	From: mlmarmer	Date: 2/10/2006
Subject: Re: Historic Night!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38745	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/10/2006
Subject: Sticky link couplers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38746	From: Phil K	Date: 2/10/2006
Subject: Link coupler problems
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38747	From: Robert Graves	Date: 2/10/2006
Subject: Removing the white stuff
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38748	From: Phil K	Date: 2/10/2006
Subject: eBay record for S stuff
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38749	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/11/2006
Subject: Re: Removing the white stuff
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38750	From: Robert Graves	Date: 2/11/2006
Subject: Pictures needed for the Gilbert Gallery
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38751	From: Robert Graves	Date: 2/11/2006
Subject: Cabooses join the Gilbert Gallery
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38752	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 2/11/2006
Subject: Re: eBay record for S stuff
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38753	From: ecphora123	Date: 2/11/2006
Subject: Art Curren Plasticville Article
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38754	From: T Larson	Date: 2/11/2006
Subject: F Units
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38755	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 2/11/2006
Subject: Re: eBay record for S stuff
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38756	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/11/2006
Subject: About that tool museum (non S)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38757	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/11/2006
Subject: Link couplers & hair dryers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38758	From: mlmarmer	Date: 2/11/2006
Subject: Re: Removing the white stuff
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38759	From: mlmarmer	Date: 2/11/2006
Subject: Re: Link coupler problems
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38760	From: muniman18	Date: 2/11/2006
Subject: ballast template
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38761	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/11/2006
Subject: Re: Pictures needed for the Gilbert Gallery
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38762	From: Robert Graves	Date: 2/11/2006
Subject: Re: Pictures needed for the Gilbert Gallery
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38763	From: Phil K	Date: 2/11/2006
Subject: Link to S scale list on eBay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38764	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 2/11/2006
Subject: Re: ballast template
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38765	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 2/11/2006
Subject: Sunday Chat, 2/12/2006, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38766	From: Roy Inman	Date: 2/11/2006
Subject: Re: ballast template
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38767	From: Art Shifrin	Date: 2/12/2006
Subject: Train wallpaper
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38768	From: Art Shifrin	Date: 2/12/2006
Subject: link coupler performance and servicing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38769	From: Phil K	Date: 2/12/2006
Subject: Re: link coupler performance and servicing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38770	From: mlmarmer	Date: 2/12/2006
Subject: Fw: Question for item #6034642964 - GILBERT AF FREIGHT BOXED HAWKEY
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38771	From: T Larson	Date: 2/12/2006
Subject: For Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38772	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 2/12/2006
Subject: Sunday Chat, 2/12/2006, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38773	From: THOMAS E HILLERY	Date: 2/12/2006
Subject: UP heavyweights
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38774	From: alguckes2001	Date: 2/12/2006
Subject: S gauge for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38775	From: mlmarmer	Date: 2/12/2006
Subject: layout update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38776	From: mlmarmer	Date: 2/13/2006
Subject: wide radius
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38777	From: mlmarmer	Date: 2/13/2006
Subject: Re: Fw: Question for item #6034642964 - GILBERT AF FREIGHT BOXED HA
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38778	From: lember2004	Date: 2/13/2006
Subject: e-bay Second Chance scam on AF item
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38779	From: Dave Farquhar	Date: 2/13/2006
Subject: Re: dealing with a rust spot
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38780	From: clifma19	Date: 2/13/2006
Subject: wood ties
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38781	From: Edward G.	Date: 2/13/2006
Subject: Something you dont see to often ..
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38782	From: Jim Ensign	Date: 2/13/2006
Subject: S-L-O-W Parts Orders
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38783	From: Roy Inman	Date: 2/13/2006
Subject: Re: wide radius
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38784	From: Roy Inman	Date: 2/13/2006
Subject: Re: S-L-O-W Parts Orders
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38785	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 2/13/2006
Subject: Re: Lionel Flyer 1998 - EMD SD40-2
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38786	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 2/13/2006
Subject: Re: GP-9 Sante Fe Merger diesel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38787	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 2/13/2006
Subject: Re: Jacksonville Train Show - February 25th!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38788	From: Mike	Date: 2/13/2006
Subject: Newbie
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38789	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 2/13/2006
Subject: Re: e-bay Second Chance scam on AF item
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38790	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 2/13/2006
Subject: Re: Lionel Flyer 1998 - EMD SD40-2
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38791	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 2/13/2006
Subject: Photo Album Rebuilding
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38792	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 2/13/2006
Subject: Re: GP-9 Sante Fe Merger diesel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38793	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 2/13/2006
Subject: Re: Newbie
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38794	From: mlmarmer	Date: 2/13/2006
Subject: Re: wide radius
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38795	From: Roy Inman	Date: 2/13/2006
Subject: Re: Newbie
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38796	From: mlmarmer	Date: 2/13/2006
Subject: Re: wood ties
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38797	From: mlmarmer	Date: 2/13/2006
Subject: Re: dealing with a rust spot
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38798	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/13/2006
Subject: Re: Newbie
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38799	From: mvandiver2@aol.com	Date: 2/13/2006
Subject: Lost ebay address
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38800	From: mlmarmer	Date: 2/13/2006
Subject: 2 in 1 whistle
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38801	From: mlmarmer	Date: 2/13/2006
Subject: Re: wood ties
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38802	From: lember2004	Date: 2/13/2006
Subject: Re: 2 in 1 whistle
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38803	From: Gerald Dobbs	Date: 2/13/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2948
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38804	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/13/2006
Subject: Re: Lost ebay address
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38805	From: Jenni Sipla	Date: 2/13/2006
Subject: Re: Newbie
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38806	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 2/13/2006
Subject: Re: ballast template
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38807	From: Phil K	Date: 2/14/2006
Subject: Re: e-bay Second Chance scam on AF item
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38808	From: WEG138@aol.com	Date: 2/14/2006
Subject: Re: wide radius
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38809	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 2/14/2006
Subject: More eBay Items - Not Really
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38810	From: Bill Clark	Date: 2/14/2006
Subject: Re: wide radius
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38811	From: Art Shifrin	Date: 2/14/2006
Subject: Gilbert whistle controllers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38812	From: beebear	Date: 2/14/2006
Subject: Lionel's American Flyer Parts List
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38813	From: lember2004	Date: 2/14/2006
Subject: Phil K's suggestion Re: e-bay Second Chance scam on AF item
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38814	From: rkuepper	Date: 2/14/2006
Subject: Re: Newbie
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38815	From: keefer1	Date: 2/14/2006
Subject: Re: Phil K's suggestion Re: e-bay Second Chance scam on AF item
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38816	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 2/14/2006
Subject: I need Help with new albums
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38817	From: Don Rodgers Sr.	Date: 2/14/2006
Subject: Test
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38818	From: lember2004	Date: 2/14/2006
Subject: How long are Frontiersman cars?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38819	From: mlmarmer	Date: 2/14/2006
Subject: rust
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38820	From: mlmarmer	Date: 2/14/2006
Subject: ties
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38821	From: mlmarmer	Date: 2/14/2006
Subject: My Little Town
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38822	From: mlmarmer	Date: 2/14/2006
Subject: eBay BOXED AF #973 GILBERT'S OPERATING MILK BOXCAR (item 6035714451
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38823	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/14/2006
Subject: New albums
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38824	From: mlmarmer	Date: 2/14/2006
Subject: Re: 2 in 1 whistle
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38825	From: Phil K	Date: 2/14/2006
Subject: OK, so why did this empty AF set box sell for over $1000?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38826	From: Gerald Dobbs	Date: 2/14/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2949
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38827	From: mlmarmer	Date: 2/14/2006
Subject: instruction sheet
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38828	From: mlmarmer	Date: 2/14/2006
Subject: instruction sheet number two
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38829	From: mlmarmer	Date: 2/15/2006
Subject: My Little Town
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38830	From: tomminil@aol.com	Date: 2/15/2006
Subject: Re: 2 in 1 whistle
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38831	From: tomminil@aol.com	Date: 2/15/2006
Subject: Re: instruction sheet
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38832	From: tomminil@aol.com	Date: 2/15/2006
Subject: Re: OK, so why did this empty AF set box sell for over $1000?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38833	From: ED WHELAN	Date: 2/15/2006
Subject: Re: instruction sheet number two
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38834	From: BENJAMIN PERRY	Date: 2/15/2006
Subject: Re: instruction sheet
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38835	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/15/2006
Subject: Funny exchange over at the TCA TTLM
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38836	From: winchester54947	Date: 2/15/2006
Subject: Hudson motor chassis
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38837	From: clayton deich	Date: 2/15/2006
Subject: Re: OK, so why did this empty AF set box sell for over $1000?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38838	From: Art Shifrin	Date: 2/15/2006
Subject: Dogs & trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38839	From: Don Thompson	Date: 2/15/2006
Subject: Re: Dogs & trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38840	From: Mike	Date: 2/15/2006
Subject: First try, mixed results
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38841	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 2/15/2006
Subject: Gallery2 Assistant Site Admins
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38842	From: mlmarmer	Date: 2/15/2006
Subject: Re: instruction sheet
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38843	From: Gerald Dobbs	Date: 2/15/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2951
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38844	From: tomminil@aol.com	Date: 2/15/2006
Subject: Re: Hudson motor chassis
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38845	From: mlmarmer	Date: 2/15/2006
Subject: Frosty Bar box
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38846	From: tomminil@aol.com	Date: 2/15/2006
Subject: Re: First try, mixed results
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38847	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 2/15/2006
Subject: Re: Frosty Bar box
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38848	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/15/2006
Subject: Re: First try, mixed results
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38849	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 2/15/2006
Subject: Re: OK, so why did this empty AF set box sell for over $1000?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38850	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 2/15/2006
Subject: Re: Hudson motor chassis
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38851	From: albert paolozzi	Date: 2/15/2006
Subject: Re: My Little Town
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38852	From: Phil K	Date: 2/15/2006
Subject: Re: OK, so why did this empty AF set box sell for over $1000?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38853	From: Phil K	Date: 2/15/2006
Subject: Voila! We have an answer to the $1026 set box question!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38854	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 2/15/2006
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] Voila! We have an answer to the $1026 set box quest
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38855	From: Richard Clouse	Date: 2/15/2006
Subject: Re: My Little Town
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38856	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 2/15/2006
Subject: Re: Hudson motor chassis
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38857	From: mlmarmer	Date: 2/15/2006
Subject: 2 in 1 whistle
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38858	From: Gerald Dobbs	Date: 2/15/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2952
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38859	From: Art Shifrin	Date: 2/15/2006
Subject: Humming transfomrers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38860	From: JOHN EICHMANN	Date: 2/15/2006
Subject: Mailbag velocity
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38861	From: mlmarmer	Date: 2/15/2006
Subject: Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38862	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 2/15/2006
Subject: Google seems to work too
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38863	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 2/15/2006
Subject: Photo Album Disaster Recovery
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38864	From: Phil K	Date: 2/15/2006
Subject: More on $1026 empty set box
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38865	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/15/2006
Subject: Re: Photo Album Disaster Recovery
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38866	From: mlmarmer	Date: 2/15/2006
Subject: Re: Mailbag velocity
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38867	From: Jay E. Mellon	Date: 2/15/2006
Subject: Mold and Trains, Real or Virtual?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38868	From: mlmarmer	Date: 2/15/2006
Subject: Re: Funny exchange over at the TCA TTLM
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38869	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 2/15/2006
Subject: Re: OK, so why did this empty AF set box sell for over $1000?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38870	From: James Hannawald	Date: 2/15/2006
Subject: Re: My Little Town
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38871	From: mlmarmer	Date: 2/15/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2949
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38872	From: David Girson	Date: 2/15/2006
Subject: S N S Can Motor Instructions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38873	From: Phil K	Date: 2/15/2006
Subject: Re: S N S Can Motor Instructions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38874	From: Alex Sibbald	Date: 2/15/2006
Subject: 919
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38875	From: Jenni Sipla	Date: 2/16/2006
Subject: Re: Hudson motor chassis
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38876	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/16/2006
Subject: Frosty Bar Price War
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38877	From: winchester54947	Date: 2/16/2006
Subject: Erie 646 floodlight
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38878	From: mlmarmer	Date: 2/16/2006
Subject: Re: Frosty Bar Price War
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38879	From: WEG138@aol.com	Date: 2/16/2006
Subject: Re: photographing model trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38880	From: Don Rodgers Sr.	Date: 2/16/2006
Subject: Re: Address
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38881	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/16/2006
Subject: Re: Photo Album Disaster Recovery
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38882	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 2/16/2006
Subject: Lionel, K-line Merger
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38883	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 2/16/2006
Subject: Re: Lionel Purchasing K-Line
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38884	From: Rick	Date: 2/16/2006
Subject: Humming transformers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38885	From: Neil Trump	Date: 2/16/2006
Subject: Re: Lionel Purchasing K-Line
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38886	From: mlmarmer	Date: 2/16/2006
Subject: Lamplighter
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38887	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 2/16/2006
Subject: Re: Humming transformers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38888	From: Gerald Dobbs	Date: 2/16/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2951
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38889	From: TWesthelle@aol.com	Date: 2/16/2006
Subject: Re: 919
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38890	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 2/16/2006
Subject: Re;Lionel purchasing K-Line
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38891	From: nycnkperie	Date: 2/16/2006
Subject: 2006 Spring S Spree
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38892	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 2/16/2006
Subject: Humming transfomrers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38893	From: Scott Holm	Date: 2/16/2006
Subject: Re: Lamplighter
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38894	From: Bruce D. Willis	Date: 2/16/2006
Subject: Layout photos and diagrams
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38895	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 2/16/2006
Subject: Re: Re;Lionel purchasing K-Line
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38896	From: FEZANDPAZ@aol.com	Date: 2/16/2006
Subject: Re: Re;Lionel purchasing K-Line
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38897	From: mlmarmer	Date: 2/16/2006
Subject: Engines questions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38898	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 2/16/2006
Subject: FYI Ross Custom Switches for S
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38899	From: mlmarmer	Date: 2/16/2006
Subject: mail bag car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38900	From: Phil K	Date: 2/16/2006
Subject: Re: Engines questions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38901	From: Phil K	Date: 2/16/2006
Subject: Guys switching from O to S on CTT forum
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38902	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 2/17/2006
Subject: Re: Voila! We have an answer to the $1026 set box question!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38903	From: tomminil@aol.com	Date: 2/17/2006
Subject: Re: 919
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38904	From: Mike Vana	Date: 2/17/2006
Subject: Did Any Other Ebay buyers get a message like this?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38905	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 2/17/2006
Subject: Re: Did Any Other Ebay buyers get a message like this?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38906	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/17/2006
Subject: Re: Engines questions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38907	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 2/17/2006
Subject: Re: Did Any Other Ebay buyers get a message like this?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38908	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 2/17/2006
Subject: Re: Did Any Other Ebay buyers get a message like this?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38909	From: Roy Inman	Date: 2/17/2006
Subject: Re: Did Any Other Ebay buyers get a message like this?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38910	From: Richard Hosmer	Date: 2/17/2006
Subject: Re: Did Any Other Ebay buyers get a message like this?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38911	From: Roy Inman	Date: 2/17/2006
Subject: Re: Did Any Other Ebay buyers get a message like this?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38912	From: Roy Inman	Date: 2/17/2006
Subject: Re: Did Any Other Ebay buyers get a message like this?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38913	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/17/2006
Subject: Re: Did Any Other Ebay buyers get a message like this?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38914	From: keefer1	Date: 2/17/2006
Subject: Re: Did Any Other Ebay buyers get a message like this?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38915	From: Jenni Sipla	Date: 2/17/2006
Subject: Re: Engines questions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38916	From: Roy Inman	Date: 2/17/2006
Subject: Re: Did Any Other Ebay buyers get a message like this?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38917	From: manderman	Date: 2/17/2006
Subject: Re: Did Any Other Ebay buyers get a message like this?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38918	From: Art Shifrin	Date: 2/17/2006
Subject: More on that joe McDoakes short
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38919	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 2/17/2006
Subject: TRAINZ
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38920	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/17/2006
Subject: Fw: [S-Trains] Engines questions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38921	From: Robert Graves	Date: 2/17/2006
Subject: Re: Did Any Other Ebay buyers get a message like this?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38922	From: Bill Porter	Date: 2/17/2006
Subject: Re: Did Any Other Ebay buyers get a message like this?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38923	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 2/17/2006
Subject: Re: Did Any Other Ebay buyers get a message like this?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38924	From: Dave Ganslein	Date: 2/17/2006
Subject: From our Friends at Marxtrains@yahoogroups.com
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38925	From: clayton deich	Date: 2/17/2006
Subject: Re: From our Friends at Marxtrains@yahoogroups.com
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38926	From: keefer1	Date: 2/17/2006
Subject: Re: Did Any Other Ebay buyers get a message like this?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38927	From: Mike	Date: 2/17/2006
Subject: Restoration
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38928	From: David A. Highfield	Date: 2/17/2006
Subject: Gabe won't climb
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38929	From: ED WHELAN	Date: 2/17/2006
Subject: Re: Did Any Other Ebay buyers get a message like this?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38930	From: tomminil@aol.com	Date: 2/17/2006
Subject: Re: Lionel's American Flyer Parts List
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38931	From: mlmarmer	Date: 2/17/2006
Subject: Engine Success story
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38932	From: mlmarmer	Date: 2/17/2006
Subject: engine smoke
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38933	From: Dave Ganslein	Date: 2/17/2006
Subject: Check this Link
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38934	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/17/2006
Subject: Interesting possible reason ACG didn't go DC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38935	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/17/2006
Subject: Re: engine smoke
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38936	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 2/17/2006
Subject: Re;engine smoke
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38937	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 2/17/2006
Subject: Re: Humming transfomrers - Sine waves?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38938	From: T Larson	Date: 2/18/2006
Subject: For Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38939	From: jayhoo64	Date: 2/18/2006
Subject: Re: Photo Album Disaster Recovery
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38940	From: winchester54947	Date: 2/18/2006
Subject: Link couplers revisited
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38941	From: Art Shifrin	Date: 2/18/2006
Subject: Humming transfomrers - Sine waves - travails of our mother tongue e
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38942	From: Art Shifrin	Date: 2/18/2006
Subject: Vacuum tube in the AF electronic whistle controller
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38943	From: John Foley	Date: 2/18/2006
Subject: S Scale for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38944	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/18/2006
Subject: Re: Photo Album Disaster Recovery
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38945	From: mlmarmer	Date: 2/18/2006
Subject: Radio Shack
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38946	From: Eric & Jean	Date: 2/18/2006
Subject: Flyonel Sante fe Docksider for sale, New.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38947	From: firex43	Date: 2/18/2006
Subject: AF Smoke Unit Replacement and D.C. Power for Solenoid Accessories
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38948	From: trainman634	Date: 2/18/2006
Subject: Constant lighting for AF Cabooses
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38949	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 2/18/2006
Subject: Sunday Chat, 2/19/2006, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38950	From: romoyer@att.net	Date: 2/18/2006
Subject: Re: Radio Shack
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38951	From: Dennis Back	Date: 2/18/2006
Subject: Re: Radio Shack
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38952	From: Knight, Gene	Date: 2/18/2006
Subject: Pony Express
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38953	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 2/18/2006
Subject: Fw: [S-Trains] Radio Shack
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38954	From: Don Thompson	Date: 2/18/2006
Subject: Re: Constant lighting for AF Cabooses
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38955	From: mlmarmer	Date: 2/18/2006
Subject: Re: Radio Shack
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38956	From: jayhoo64	Date: 2/18/2006
Subject: Re: Radio Shack
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38957	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 2/18/2006
Subject: Re: Radio Shack/CAIG
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38958	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 2/18/2006
Subject: Re: deja vu all over again
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38959	From: FEZANDPAZ@aol.com	Date: 2/19/2006
Subject: Re: Re;Lionel purchasing K-Line
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38960	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 2/19/2006
Subject: Re;Radio Shack
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38961	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 2/19/2006
Subject: What to put on your reverse unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38962	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 2/19/2006
Subject: Re: Frosty Bar Price War - Competition is a good thing...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38963	From: Bret	Date: 2/19/2006
Subject: DC current powering original AC current engines
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38964	From: kenwoodies1	Date: 2/19/2006
Subject: Re: Radio Shack
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38965	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 2/19/2006
Subject: RE;DC current powering AC current engines
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38966	From: Richard Hosmer	Date: 2/19/2006
Subject: Re: Re;Radio Shack
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38967	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 2/19/2006
Subject: Corperate America loosing it's way (Off Topic)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38968	From: beebear	Date: 2/19/2006
Subject: Re: Re;Radio Shack
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38969	From: ruth.leahy@colorado.edu	Date: 2/19/2006
Subject: A.F. Aluminum Passenger Cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38970	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 2/19/2006
Subject: Re: Photo Album Disaster Recovery
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38971	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 2/19/2006
Subject: Re: Photo Album Disaster Recovery
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38972	From: David Girson	Date: 2/19/2006
Subject: AF Smoke Unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38973	From: Phil K	Date: 2/19/2006
Subject: Radio Shack a victim of evolution
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38974	From: Jenni Sipla	Date: 2/19/2006
Subject: Re: AF Smoke Unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38975	From: mlmarmer	Date: 2/19/2006
Subject: Re: Radio Shack
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38976	From: Charles E. Smith	Date: 2/19/2006
Subject: Re: AF Smoke Unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38977	From: mlmarmer	Date: 2/19/2006
Subject: New business in town
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38978	From: mlmarmer	Date: 2/19/2006
Subject: Re: What to put on your reverse unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38979	From: mlmarmer	Date: 2/19/2006
Subject: Re: Frosty Bar Price War - Competition is a good thing...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38980	From: mlmarmer	Date: 2/19/2006
Subject: Re: Radio Shack a victim of evolution
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38981	From: g94a95	Date: 2/19/2006
Subject: 354 Silver Bullet
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38982	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 2/19/2006
Subject: Saved by my computer!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38983	From: tomminil@aol.com	Date: 2/19/2006
Subject: Re: 354 Silver Bullet
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38984	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 2/19/2006
Subject: Radio Shack - It's 2006
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38985	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 2/19/2006
Subject: Re: Re;Radio Shack : Frosty Bar Price War
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38986	From: G C	Date: 2/19/2006
Subject: S vehicle dimensions.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38987	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 2/19/2006
Subject: Sunday Chat, 2/19/2006, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38989	From: lember2004	Date: 2/19/2006
Subject: Re: A.F. Aluminum Passenger Cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38990	From: gacesatg	Date: 2/19/2006
Subject: AFsmoke
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38991	From: Phil K	Date: 2/19/2006
Subject: ATTENTION -- NEW URL FOR CHAT
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38992	From: mlmarmer	Date: 2/19/2006
Subject: Re: Re;Radio Shack : Frosty Bar Price War
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38993	From: roy meissner	Date: 2/19/2006
Subject: Re: S vehicle dimensions.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38994	From: Roy Inman	Date: 2/19/2006
Subject: Re: Radio Shack - It's 2006
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38995	From: Tom	Date: 2/19/2006
Subject: SHOWCASE LINE CARS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38996	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/19/2006
Subject: Drum head photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38997	From: Gary Chudzinski	Date: 2/19/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2959
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38998	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 2/19/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2959
Group: S-Trains	Message: 38999	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/19/2006
Subject: Re: Drum head photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39000	From: ken garber	Date: 2/20/2006
Subject: Re: Contact Cleaner
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39001	From: jayhoo64	Date: 2/20/2006
Subject: Re: Re;Radio Shack
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39002	From: tomminil@aol.com	Date: 2/20/2006
Subject: showcase cars and Trainz
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39003	From: ED WHELAN	Date: 2/20/2006
Subject: Layout Wire
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39004	From: Jim Ensign	Date: 2/20/2006
Subject: 740 Handcars and Sheds
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39005	From: John Simms	Date: 2/20/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2961
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39006	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 2/20/2006
Subject: Re: Layout Wire
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39007	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 2/20/2006
Subject: Re: 740 Handcars and Sheds
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39008	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/20/2006
Subject: smoke unit rebuilding
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39009	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 2/20/2006
Subject: Re: Layout Wire
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39010	From: lember2004	Date: 2/20/2006
Subject: Re: 740 Handcars and Sheds
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39011	From: mlmarmer	Date: 2/20/2006
Subject: Re: Layout Wire
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39012	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 2/20/2006
Subject: MODEL RAILROADER DVD SERIES
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39013	From: lember2004	Date: 2/20/2006
Subject: How long is an AF K-5 Pacific?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39014	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 2/20/2006
Subject: Re: Saved by my computer! - Can't live with 'em & can't live withou
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39015	From: mlmarmer	Date: 2/20/2006
Subject: Re: MODEL RAILROADER DVD SERIES
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39016	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 2/20/2006
Subject: Re: MODEL RAILROADER DVD SERIES
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39017	From: Robert Graves	Date: 2/20/2006
Subject: Re: showcase cars and Trainz
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39018	From: James Hannawald	Date: 2/20/2006
Subject: Re: MODEL RAILROADER DVD SERIES
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39019	From: WEG138@aol.com	Date: 2/20/2006
Subject: Re: Track Roadbed - Repainting Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39020	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 2/20/2006
Subject: Re: MODEL RAILROADER DVD SERIES
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39021	From: Doug Peck	Date: 2/20/2006
Subject: Re: A.F. Aluminum passenger cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39022	From: Barry Jamison	Date: 2/20/2006
Subject: Balky Hudson
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39023	From: mlmarmer	Date: 2/20/2006
Subject: Coal Loader
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39024	From: mlmarmer	Date: 2/20/2006
Subject: My Little Town Update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39025	From: TWesthelle@aol.com	Date: 2/20/2006
Subject: Truscott Set Info Requested
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39026	From: Doug Peck	Date: 2/20/2006
Subject: Re: Layout wire
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39027	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 2/20/2006
Subject: Re: Truscott Set Info Requested
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39028	From: Robert Graves	Date: 2/20/2006
Subject: Re: Track Roadbed - Repainting Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39029	From: Gerald Dobbs	Date: 2/20/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2962
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39030	From: mvandiver2@aol.com	Date: 2/21/2006
Subject: Non smoking 322
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39031	From: Gerry Evans dba Best of Show Model Build	Date: 2/21/2006
Subject: Sn3 Symposium
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39032	From: FEZANDPAZ@aol.com	Date: 2/21/2006
Subject: Re: MODEL RAILROADER DVD SERIES
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39033	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 2/21/2006
Subject: Re: Brand "new" K5 #312
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39034	From: Jenni Sipla	Date: 2/22/2006
Subject: Re: Non smoking 322
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39035	From: winchester54947	Date: 2/22/2006
Subject: digest
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39036	From: Edward G.	Date: 2/22/2006
Subject: WARNING... Re: 1955 Calander
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39037	From: Bill	Date: 2/22/2006
Subject: LVSG Roundtable Web site
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39038	From: Mark Preman	Date: 2/22/2006
Subject: Vacuum Tubes for 324AC Whistle Controller
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39039	From: WEG138@aol.com	Date: 2/22/2006
Subject: Re: Scenery
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39040	From: Edward G.	Date: 2/22/2006
Subject: WARNING... Re: 1955 Calander ...More
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39041	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 2/22/2006
Subject: Re: Non smoking 322
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39042	From: Richard Clouse	Date: 2/22/2006
Subject: Willing to Trade UP Observation Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39043	From: Bill	Date: 2/22/2006
Subject: Lehigh Valley S Gaguers Website
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39044	From: Art Shifrin	Date: 2/22/2006
Subject: 1955 Calendars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39045	From: mvandiver2@aol.com	Date: 2/22/2006
Subject: Smoke is in boiler
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39046	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 2/22/2006
Subject: Re: 3/16" or 1/64 Scale Automobiles
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39047	From: Roy Inman	Date: 2/22/2006
Subject: Re: 3/16" or 1/64 Scale Automobiles
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39048	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 2/22/2006
Subject: Re;Scenery
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39049	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 2/22/2006
Subject: Re;3/16" or 1/64 scale automobiles
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39050	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 2/22/2006
Subject: Re: Re;3/16" or 1/64 scale automobiles
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39051	From: Patrick McElroy	Date: 2/22/2006
Subject: Re: WARNING... Re: 1955 Calander
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39052	From: Phil K	Date: 2/22/2006
Subject: WARNING... Re: 1955 Calander
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39053	From: ED WHELAN	Date: 2/22/2006
Subject: Re: WARNING... Re: 1955 Calander
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39054	From: jayhoo64	Date: 2/23/2006
Subject: Re: Re;3/16" or 1/64 scale automobiles
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39055	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 2/23/2006
Subject: Re: My Little Town Update - Signs of civilization
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39056	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 2/23/2006
Subject: Re: Re;3/16" or 1/64 scale automobiles - Low Riders n Horse sense
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39057	From: keefer1	Date: 2/23/2006
Subject: Re: WARNING... Re: 1955 Calander
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39058	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 2/23/2006
Subject: Re: My Little Town Update - Signs of civilization
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39059	From: rapidrail1	Date: 2/23/2006
Subject: Proposed new S scale decals
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39060	From: Phil K	Date: 2/23/2006
Subject: WARNING... Re: 1955 Calander
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39061	From: WEG138@aol.com	Date: 2/23/2006
Subject: Re: scenery
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39062	From: Steven Allen	Date: 2/23/2006
Subject: AM Heavyweight Combo's
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39063	From: Robert Boring	Date: 2/23/2006
Subject: Re: scenery
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39064	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 2/23/2006
Subject: Re: scenery
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39065	From: Neil Trump	Date: 2/23/2006
Subject: Re: WARNING... Re: 1955 Calander
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39066	From: Phil K	Date: 2/23/2006
Subject: WARNING... Re: 1955 Calander
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39067	From: keefer1	Date: 2/23/2006
Subject: Re: WARNING... Re: 1955 Calander
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39068	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 2/23/2006
Subject: Re;3/16" or 1/64 autos-low riders & horse sense
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39069	From: Doug Peck	Date: 2/23/2006
Subject: Re: Scenery
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39070	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 2/23/2006
Subject: Allentown (PA) This Weekend
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39071	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 2/23/2006
Subject: Re: Jacksonville Train Show
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39072	From: Don Thompson	Date: 2/24/2006
Subject: Re: Plaster cloth
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39073	From: Jim Ensign	Date: 2/24/2006
Subject: Chrome re-finishing??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39074	From: Dave Farquhar	Date: 2/24/2006
Subject: Re: Re;3/16" or 1/64 autos-low riders & horse sense
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39075	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 2/24/2006
Subject: Stopping an A-B-A w/ a 761 Semaphore
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39076	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 2/24/2006
Subject: Re: Chrome re-finishing??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39077	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 2/24/2006
Subject: Great News
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39078	From: trainman634	Date: 2/24/2006
Subject: American Flyer Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39079	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 2/24/2006
Subject: Re: American Flyer Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39080	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 2/24/2006
Subject: Tip for loose fitting AF track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39081	From: firex43	Date: 2/24/2006
Subject: Adding Sound and Rectifier to AF 596 Operating Water Tank
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39082	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 2/24/2006
Subject: FW: [Mini-Bunch] Re: Midwest Narrow Gauge Show
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39083	From: rkuepper	Date: 2/24/2006
Subject: Re: Great News
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39084	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 2/24/2006
Subject: Updated Lueck Layout Plan
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39085	From: Art Shifrin	Date: 2/24/2006
Subject: Circuitry mitzvahs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39086	From: trainman634	Date: 2/24/2006
Subject: Installing wheelsets
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39087	From: Larry Moore	Date: 2/24/2006
Subject: Re: Chrome re-finishing??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39088	From: mlmarmer	Date: 2/24/2006
Subject: Re: [toytrains] uh-oh what's this-mayhem at Mike's
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39089	From: Charles E. Smith	Date: 2/24/2006
Subject: Re: Chrome re-finishing??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39090	From: Jenni Sipla	Date: 2/25/2006
Subject: Re: Chrome re-finishing??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39091	From: Jenni Sipla	Date: 2/25/2006
Subject: Re: Chrome re-finishing??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39092	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 2/25/2006
Subject: Re: Ebay WARNING...- Check this out
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39093	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 2/25/2006
Subject: Re: Hot Rod Trains ??? - why not.....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39094	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 2/25/2006
Subject: Re: On the Right track - Am Flyer Track @ Lionel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39095	From: Roy Inman	Date: 2/25/2006
Subject: Re: On the Right track - Am Flyer Track @ Lionel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39096	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 2/25/2006
Subject: Ebay buyers beware! Another one.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39097	From: clayton deich	Date: 2/25/2006
Subject: Re: Chrome re-finishing??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39098	From: trainman634	Date: 2/25/2006
Subject: Gondola Loads
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39099	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 2/25/2006
Subject: Re: Chrome re-finishing??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39100	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/25/2006
Subject: Gondola Loads
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39101	From: Robert Graves	Date: 2/25/2006
Subject: Re: Gondola Loads
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39102	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 2/25/2006
Subject: Re: Gondola Loads
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39103	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 2/25/2006
Subject: Re: Chrome re-finishing??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39104	From: rkuepper	Date: 2/25/2006
Subject: Re: Gondola Loads
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39105	From: rkuepper	Date: 2/25/2006
Subject: Re: Gondola Loads
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39106	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 2/25/2006
Subject: Re: Ebay WARNING...- Check this out - not a non-payer status
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39107	From: David Engle	Date: 2/25/2006
Subject: Re: Chrome re-finishing??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39108	From: Alex Sibbald	Date: 2/25/2006
Subject: On the Right track-Am flyer track @ Lionel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39109	From: rkuepper	Date: 2/25/2006
Subject: Re: Gondola Loads
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39110	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 2/25/2006
Subject: Re: Chrome re-finishing??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39111	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 2/25/2006
Subject: Re: On the Right track - The next to Go?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39112	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 2/25/2006
Subject: Re: Chrome re-finishing/plastic - Portlines does it...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39113	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/25/2006
Subject: Fw: [S-Trains] Gondola Loads
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39114	From: BENJAMIN PERRY	Date: 2/25/2006
Subject: Re: Gondola Loads
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39115	From: TWYLA STARR	Date: 2/25/2006
Subject: Magazine collection
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39116	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/25/2006
Subject: Re: Magazine collection
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39117	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/25/2006
Subject: Gon loads
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39118	From: Phil K	Date: 2/25/2006
Subject: Chrome finish on plastic
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39119	From: jjmemmer@aol.com	Date: 2/25/2006
Subject: "Chrome"finish
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39120	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 2/25/2006
Subject: Re: Gondola Loads
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39121	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 2/25/2006
Subject: S-Trains/S-Scale Links
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39122	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 2/25/2006
Subject: Celebrities and Electric Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39123	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 2/25/2006
Subject: Re: SAD DAY
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39124	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/25/2006
Subject: Re: Celebrities and Electric Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39125	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/25/2006
Subject: Re: Celebrities and Electric Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39126	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/25/2006
Subject: Celeb layouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39127	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 2/25/2006
Subject: Sunday Chat, 2/26/2006, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39128	From: albert paolozzi	Date: 2/25/2006
Subject: Re: Gondola Loads
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39129	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 2/25/2006
Subject: Re: Magazine collection
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39130	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/25/2006
Subject: uh-oh what's this-mayhem at Mike's
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39131	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 2/25/2006
Subject: Re: Celebrities and Electric Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39132	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 2/25/2006
Subject: Re: Vacuum Tubes for 324AC Whistle Controller
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39133	From: David Engle	Date: 2/25/2006
Subject: Re: Celebrities and Electric Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39134	From: Phil K	Date: 2/25/2006
Subject: Celebrities with model trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39135	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/25/2006
Subject: Re: Celebrities with model trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39136	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/25/2006
Subject: Re: Celebrities with model trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39137	From: manderman	Date: 2/25/2006
Subject: Re: Gondola Loads
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39138	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 2/25/2006
Subject: Re: Celebrities and Electric Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39139	From: Robert Graves	Date: 2/25/2006
Subject: The Caboose page of The Gilbert Gallery is done
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39140	From: jayhoo64	Date: 2/25/2006
Subject: Re: Gondola Loads
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39141	From: Velapoldi	Date: 2/26/2006
Subject: Re: Celebrities and Electric Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39142	From: Don Thompson	Date: 2/26/2006
Subject: Re: Celebrities and Electric Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39143	From: David Engle	Date: 2/26/2006
Subject: Re: Celebrities with model trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39144	From: mlmarmer	Date: 2/26/2006
Subject: My Little Town Continues On!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39145	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 2/26/2006
Subject: Re: Celebrities and Electric Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39146	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 2/26/2006
Subject: Links Update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39147	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 2/26/2006
Subject: Re: Celebrities and Electric Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39148	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/26/2006
Subject: Re: Celebrities and Electric Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39149	From: N Becker	Date: 2/26/2006
Subject: Re: Gondola Loads
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39150	From: Gerald Dobbs	Date: 2/26/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2969
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39151	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/26/2006
Subject: Tom Snyder
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39152	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 2/26/2006
Subject: Photo Gallery Tutorial
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39153	From: northern83113	Date: 2/26/2006
Subject: 768 oil supply depot
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39154	From: Henry Buehling	Date: 2/26/2006
Subject: Re: Celebrities and Electric Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39155	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 2/26/2006
Subject: Re: Celebrities and Electric Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39156	From: WEG138@aol.com	Date: 2/26/2006
Subject: Celebrities and Electric Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39157	From: clayton deich	Date: 2/26/2006
Subject: Re: Celebrities and Electric Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39158	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 2/26/2006
Subject: MODEL AIRPLANES - OFF TOPIC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39159	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 2/26/2006
Subject: Sunday Chat, 2/26/2006, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39160	From: Larry Moore	Date: 2/26/2006
Subject: Sam The Semaphore
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39161	From: John Foley	Date: 2/26/2006
Subject: New S Links
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39162	From: srgriggs	Date: 2/26/2006
Subject: Maintenance Question: Dead Mans Control Transformers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39163	From: Eric R.	Date: 2/26/2006
Subject: Blatant attempt to sell something (GP9)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39164	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/26/2006
Subject: Greenberg's Guide to American Flyer S- Gauge, Vol 2
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39165	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 2/27/2006
Subject: Re: Greenberg's Guide to American Flyer S- Gauge, Vol 2
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39166	From: Mark Preman	Date: 2/27/2006
Subject: Vacuum Tubes for 324AC Whistle Controller
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39167	From: Bruce D. Willis	Date: 2/27/2006
Subject: multiple sound controlers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39168	From: John Foley	Date: 2/27/2006
Subject: AM Amtrak set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39169	From: glenn allen	Date: 2/27/2006
Subject: Re: Christmas wagon loads and Famous people
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39170	From: trainman634	Date: 2/27/2006
Subject: Sheet Metal Boxcar Frame
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39171	From: scrabtiger	Date: 2/27/2006
Subject: Train Shows
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39172	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/27/2006
Subject: Re: Train Shows
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39173	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 2/27/2006
Subject: YORK
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39174	From: Art Shifrin	Date: 2/27/2006
Subject: Food & twains: the White Plains Convention Center
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39175	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/27/2006
Subject: Re: Celebrities & Electric Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39176	From: Phil K	Date: 2/27/2006
Subject: Re: Food & twains: the White Plains Convention Center
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39177	From: Roy Inman	Date: 2/27/2006
Subject: Re: Celebrities & Electric Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39178	From: Phil K	Date: 2/27/2006
Subject: Re: Train Shows
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39179	From: RCESpeak	Date: 2/27/2006
Subject: Re: Train Shows
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39180	From: Jim Ensign	Date: 2/27/2006
Subject: Denver's Great Train Expo
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39181	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/27/2006
Subject: Re: Train Shows
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39182	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/27/2006
Subject: Re: Train Shows
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39183	From: mlmarmer	Date: 2/27/2006
Subject: Re: Celebrities and Electric Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39184	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 2/27/2006
Subject: Re: Train Shows
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39185	From: rkuepper	Date: 2/27/2006
Subject: Re: Train Shows
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39186	From: Roy Inman	Date: 2/27/2006
Subject: Re: Denver's Great Train Expo
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39187	From: RCESpeak	Date: 2/27/2006
Subject: Photo Album Update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39188	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 2/27/2006
Subject: Re: YORK
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39189	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 2/28/2006
Subject: Re Sam The Semaphore
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39190	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 2/28/2006
Subject: Another fake calendar
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39191	From: hcopter51	Date: 2/28/2006
Subject: Guilford station wireing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39192	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 2/28/2006
Subject: Re: YORK
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39193	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 2/28/2006
Subject: WHATS IN?????
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39194	From: frank emiro	Date: 2/28/2006
Subject: Re: Food & twains: the White Plains Convention Center
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39195	From: Charles E. Smith	Date: 2/28/2006
Subject: Re: Re Sam The Semaphore
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39196	From: frank emiro	Date: 2/28/2006
Subject: Re: Celebrities and Electric Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39197	From: mlmarmer	Date: 2/28/2006
Subject: Re: uh-oh what's this-mayhem at Mike's
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39198	From: ED WHELAN	Date: 2/28/2006
Subject: Postwar Lionel Trains Library
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39199	From: Phil K	Date: 2/28/2006
Subject: Re: Postwar Lionel Trains Library
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39200	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 2/28/2006
Subject: MINOR HELP - NEED ADDRESS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39201	From: mlmarmer	Date: 2/28/2006
Subject: O Vs. S
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39202	From: Roy Inman	Date: 2/28/2006
Subject: FW: AM Northerns ETA
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39203	From: keefer1	Date: 2/28/2006
Subject: dewey
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39204	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 2/28/2006
Subject: Re: Gondola Loads
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39205	From: trainnut2us	Date: 2/28/2006
Subject: 4-8-4 Are HERE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39206	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 2/28/2006
Subject: Re: York in April
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39207	From: Roger Delthony	Date: 2/28/2006
Subject: Gondola Loads
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39208	From: joecraig60514	Date: 3/1/2006
Subject: s-fest 2006
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39209	From: ED WHELAN	Date: 3/1/2006
Subject: Re: Postwar Lionel Trains Library
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39210	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 3/1/2006
Subject: Re: More Blatant SHS commercialism
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39211	From: trainnut2us	Date: 3/1/2006
Subject: AM 4-8-4- Northern
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39212	From: Mark Preman	Date: 3/1/2006
Subject: American Flyer Trains For Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39213	From: muniman18	Date: 3/1/2006
Subject: Lionel/af up set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39214	From: Art Shifrin	Date: 3/1/2006
Subject: Shiffy's graphic capabilities are back on line!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39215	From: trainnut2us	Date: 3/1/2006
Subject: AM 4-8-4- Northern
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39216	From: Charles E. Smith	Date: 3/1/2006
Subject: AM Northern
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39217	From: Larry Moore	Date: 3/1/2006
Subject: Re: Re Sam The Semaphore
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39218	From: Larry Moore	Date: 3/1/2006
Subject: Re: Re Sam The Semaphore
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39219	From: Roy Inman	Date: 3/1/2006
Subject: Re: Lionel/af up set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39220	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 3/1/2006
Subject: Re: Re Sam The Semaphore
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39221	From: Jim Ensign	Date: 3/2/2006
Subject: Re-Chrome Responses
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39222	From: tomminil@aol.com	Date: 3/2/2006
Subject: Just got a collection on consignment blantant attempt to sell
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39223	From: Gale Hall	Date: 3/2/2006
Subject: Fw: [JEP_Trains_Toys] JEP 1958 Catalogue of O & S
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39224	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 3/2/2006
Subject: Re: Lionel/af up set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39225	From: keefer1	Date: 3/2/2006
Subject: Fwd: SF merger Geep on Ebay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39226	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 3/2/2006
Subject: NORTHERNS....... A WINNER
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39227	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 3/2/2006
Subject: Re: NORTHERNS....... A WINNER
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39228	From: Phil K	Date: 3/2/2006
Subject: Re: Fwd: SF merger Geep on Ebay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39229	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 3/2/2006
Subject: Re: NORTHERNS....... A WINNER
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39230	From: Phil K	Date: 3/2/2006
Subject: Mikado smoke unit replacement site back online
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39231	From: Terry Putt	Date: 3/2/2006
Subject: Rex locomotives
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39232	From: Doug Peck	Date: 3/2/2006
Subject: Branchline enters S
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39233	From: Gary Chidester	Date: 3/3/2006
Subject: Modifying American Models?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39234	From: Velapoldi	Date: 3/3/2006
Subject: How to do it?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39235	From: Don Thompson	Date: 3/3/2006
Subject: Re: Modifying American Models?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39236	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 3/3/2006
Subject: Multicore solder
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39237	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 3/3/2006
Subject: Re: Modifying American Models?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39238	From: Gerald L Shultz Sr.	Date: 3/3/2006
Subject: NEW NORTHERN FROM AMERICAN MODELS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39239	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 3/3/2006
Subject: American Models GG-1 TMCC and Sound.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39240	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 3/3/2006
Subject: Re: American Models GG-1 TMCC and Sound.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39241	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 3/3/2006
Subject: Re: American Models GG-1 TMCC and Sound.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39242	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 3/3/2006
Subject: Re: American Models GG-1 TMCC and Sound.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39243	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 3/3/2006
Subject: Re: American Models GG-1 TMCC and Sound.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39244	From: Richard Clouse	Date: 3/3/2006
Subject: Re: American Models GG-1 TMCC and Sound.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39245	From: Richard Clouse	Date: 3/3/2006
Subject: Re: American Models GG-1 TMCC and Sound.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39246	From: Phil K	Date: 3/3/2006
Subject: TMCC question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39247	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 3/3/2006
Subject: Re: TMCC question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39248	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 3/3/2006
Subject: Snow is the work of the Devil!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39249	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 3/3/2006
Subject: Re: American Models GG-1 TMCC and Sound.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39250	From: Dave Baker	Date: 3/3/2006
Subject: AM Northern
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39251	From: NASG Library	Date: 3/3/2006
Subject: S Scale promotion
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39252	From: A, E, Johnson	Date: 3/4/2006
Subject: Inflation
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39253	From: alansherry@comcast.net	Date: 3/4/2006
Subject: Re: S Scale promotion
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39254	From: Rick Evans	Date: 3/4/2006
Subject: inflation
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39255	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 3/4/2006
Subject: Your assistance is requested
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39256	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 3/4/2006
Subject: SIT - bellows
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39257	From: Sam and Judy Williamson	Date: 3/4/2006
Subject: Re: Inflation
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39258	From: beebear	Date: 3/4/2006
Subject: Baldwin Parts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39259	From: beebear	Date: 3/4/2006
Subject: Baldwin Parts Prices
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39260	From: muniman18	Date: 3/4/2006
Subject: first set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39261	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 3/4/2006
Subject: AM Northern
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39262	From: Gerald Dobbs	Date: 3/4/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2976
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39263	From: Gary Chudzinski	Date: 3/4/2006
Subject: ebay: AF Commemorative Hopper Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39264	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 3/4/2006
Subject: Sunday Chat, 3/5/2006, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39265	From: Robert Graves	Date: 3/4/2006
Subject: Visiting San Francisco area week after next
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39266	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 3/4/2006
Subject: Locos on Pikemaster track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39267	From: Don Thompson	Date: 3/5/2006
Subject: Re: Locos on Pikemaster track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39268	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 3/5/2006
Subject: Re: Locos on Pikemaster track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39269	From: David Dewey	Date: 3/5/2006
Subject: SIT Bellows
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39270	From: Robert Graves	Date: 3/5/2006
Subject: Re: Stopping an A-B-A w/ a 761 Semaphore
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39271	From: Ed	Date: 3/5/2006
Subject: Re: Locos on Pikemaster track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39272	From: charlie and edith	Date: 3/5/2006
Subject: 290 question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39273	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 3/5/2006
Subject: Sunday Chat, 3/5/2006, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39274	From: nyc17819@aol.com	Date: 3/5/2006
Subject: Re: Pikemaster Curves
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39275	From: Mike	Date: 3/5/2006
Subject: K-Line going under
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39276	From: Lew Morris	Date: 3/5/2006
Subject: A Competent Repair Shop ...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39278	From: Phil K	Date: 3/5/2006
Subject: Re: A Competent Repair Shop ...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39279	From: Mike	Date: 3/5/2006
Subject: Different Train Lines
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39280	From: Robert Graves	Date: 3/5/2006
Subject: Re: Different Train Lines
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39281	From: Rick Evans	Date: 3/5/2006
Subject: Re: 290 question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39282	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 3/6/2006
Subject: Re;Different train lines
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39283	From: Robert Graves	Date: 3/6/2006
Subject: Re: Re;Different train lines
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39284	From: Scott Holm	Date: 3/6/2006
Subject: Re: 290 question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39286	From: Gregg Mummert	Date: 3/6/2006
Subject: Re: Flyonel SF B Unit w/ Railsounds
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39287	From: Ed Eckert	Date: 3/6/2006
Subject: 7th Annual Flyer Fest West
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39288	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 3/6/2006
Subject: SELLING EXTRAS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39289	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 3/6/2006
Subject: Re: CTT&AF BIG STEAMERS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39290	From: G C	Date: 3/6/2006
Subject: Re: 290 question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39291	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 3/6/2006
Subject: SELLING STUFF
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39292	From: clayton deich	Date: 3/6/2006
Subject: Re: 290 question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39293	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 3/6/2006
Subject: Re: BELLOWS VS PISTONS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39294	From: Ironhorse	Date: 3/7/2006
Subject: Re: SELLING STUFF
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39295	From: Roy Inman	Date: 3/7/2006
Subject: Re: SELLING STUFF
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39296	From: Jim Ensign	Date: 3/7/2006
Subject: Cement vs. Grain covered hoppers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39297	From: Gerald Dobbs	Date: 3/7/2006
Subject: Re: [Strains] Digest Number 2979
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39298	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 3/7/2006
Subject: More new S-Scale.org Stuff
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39299	From: Gary Chidester	Date: 3/7/2006
Subject: Ebay Advice?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39300	From: Jay E. Mellon	Date: 3/7/2006
Subject: Thanks from Crescent City S Gaugers for Donations
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39301	From: Charles E. Smith	Date: 3/7/2006
Subject: Re: 290 question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39302	From: Rick Evans	Date: 3/7/2006
Subject: Plasticville
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39303	From: G C	Date: 3/7/2006
Subject: Re: 290 question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39304	From: Phil K	Date: 3/7/2006
Subject: Re: SELLING STUFF
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39305	From: Phil K	Date: 3/7/2006
Subject: Cheap but efficient bellows material
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39306	From: frank emiro	Date: 3/7/2006
Subject: Fwd: Re: [S-Trains] 290 question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39307	From: manderman	Date: 3/7/2006
Subject: Re: Cheap but efficient bellows material
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39308	From: keefer1	Date: 3/7/2006
Subject: Re: SELLING STUFF
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39309	From: northline@comcast.net	Date: 3/7/2006
Subject: Re: Ebay Advice?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39310	From: mlmarmer	Date: 3/7/2006
Subject: Re: SELLING STUFF
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39311	From: Gerald Dobbs	Date: 3/7/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2980
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39312	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 3/7/2006
Subject: Re;Plasticville
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39313	From: Rick Evans	Date: 3/7/2006
Subject: Re: Plasticville
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39314	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 3/7/2006
Subject: S-Trains FAQ Frequently Asked Questions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39315	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 3/7/2006
Subject: Re: SELLING STUFF
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39316	From: Michael T Kolosseus	Date: 3/7/2006
Subject: train list available
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39317	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 3/7/2006
Subject: AM's 4-8-4 - first impressions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39318	From: Bruce D. Willis	Date: 3/7/2006
Subject: Re: BELLOWS VS PISTONS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39319	From: Robert A Persing	Date: 3/7/2006
Subject: Re: Plasticville
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39320	From: Robert A Persing	Date: 3/7/2006
Subject: Re: Ebay Advice?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39321	From: Robert A Persing	Date: 3/7/2006
Subject: Re: SELLING EXTRAS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39322	From: BENJAMIN PERRY	Date: 3/7/2006
Subject: Re: 290 question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39323	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 3/7/2006
Subject: Re: SELLING STUFF
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39324	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 3/7/2006
Subject: Re: SELLING STUFF
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39325	From: charlie and edith	Date: 3/7/2006
Subject: Steam, Shoulder brushes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39326	From: Rick Evans	Date: 3/8/2006
Subject: loco wiring diagram/ photo albums
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39327	From: Doug Peck	Date: 3/8/2006
Subject: Re: Ebay Advice?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39328	From: Mark Preman	Date: 3/8/2006
Subject: More American Flyer Trains for Sale - again
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39329	From: lember2004	Date: 3/8/2006
Subject: original AF fiber pins question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39330	From: Doug Peck	Date: 3/8/2006
Subject: Re: BELLOWS VS PISTONS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39331	From: Jim Marski	Date: 3/8/2006
Subject: Cement vs Grain hoppers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39332	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 3/8/2006
Subject: Re: Ebay Advice?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39333	From: THOMAS E HILLERY	Date: 3/8/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2981
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39334	From: Phil K	Date: 3/8/2006
Subject: Re: Ebay Advice?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39335	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 3/8/2006
Subject: Re: Ebay Advice?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39336	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 3/8/2006
Subject: AM Northen Photo Review
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39337	From: Ironhorse	Date: 3/8/2006
Subject: Re: SELLING STUFF
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39338	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 3/8/2006
Subject: Re: SELLING STUFF
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39339	From: Phil K	Date: 3/8/2006
Subject: Re: SELLING STUFF
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39340	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 3/8/2006
Subject: The PVMR layout comes home
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39341	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 3/8/2006
Subject: Clasic Trains New Switch
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39342	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 3/8/2006
Subject: Re: Clasic Trains New Switch
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39343	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 3/8/2006
Subject: Re: Clasic Trains New Switch
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39344	From: mlmarmer	Date: 3/8/2006
Subject: Re: Clasic Trains New Switch
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39345	From: mlmarmer	Date: 3/8/2006
Subject: Classic Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39346	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 3/8/2006
Subject: Using light dimmers for speed control
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39347	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 3/9/2006
Subject: Re: Clasic Trains New Switch
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39348	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 3/9/2006
Subject: Blatant ad-2059
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39349	From: WEG138@aol.com	Date: 3/9/2006
Subject: Re: The PVMR layout comes home
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39350	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 3/9/2006
Subject: whoops
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39351	From: Richard Clouse	Date: 3/9/2006
Subject: Re: SELLING STUFF
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39352	From: paflyrman	Date: 3/9/2006
Subject: 21099 Detail Questions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39353	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 3/9/2006
Subject: Re: Using light dimmers for speed control
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39354	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 3/9/2006
Subject: Re: Using light dimmers for speed control
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39355	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 3/9/2006
Subject: Re: Using light dimmers for speed control
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39356	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 3/9/2006
Subject: Re: Using light dimmers for speed control
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39357	From: Dennis Back	Date: 3/9/2006
Subject: Re: Using light dimmers for speed control
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39358	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 3/9/2006
Subject: Re: Using light dimmers for speed control
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39359	From: Bill Porter	Date: 3/9/2006
Subject: Re: Using light dimmers for speed control
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39360	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 3/9/2006
Subject: Re: AM Northern Review
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39361	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 3/9/2006
Subject: Re: Using light dimmers for speed control
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39362	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 3/9/2006
Subject: Re: Using light dimmers for speed control
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39363	From: Phil K	Date: 3/9/2006
Subject: Chicagoland Assn of S Gaugers meeting March 17
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39364	From: winchester54947	Date: 3/10/2006
Subject: beefy transformer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39365	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 3/10/2006
Subject: Dimmers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39366	From: paflyrman	Date: 3/10/2006
Subject: 21099 Detail Results & 21095 Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39367	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 3/10/2006
Subject: Gilbert Get-together
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39368	From: Robert Graves	Date: 3/10/2006
Subject: #25534 Rocket Carrier?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39369	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 3/10/2006
Subject: Re: Gilbert Get-together
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39370	From: knockbill	Date: 3/10/2006
Subject: Dimmers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39371	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 3/10/2006
Subject: Re: AM Northern Review - How about some inside the tender pics...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39372	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 3/10/2006
Subject: Thomas Stoltz, you lurking
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39373	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 3/10/2006
Subject: Dimmers-nah
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39374	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 3/10/2006
Subject: My last word on dimmers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39375	From: Roy Inman	Date: 3/10/2006
Subject: Re: AM Northern Review - How about some inside the tender pics...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39376	From: Robert Graves	Date: 3/10/2006
Subject: Re: #25534 Rocket Carrier?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39377	From: Velapoldi	Date: 3/10/2006
Subject: Turnouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39378	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 3/10/2006
Subject: 4-8-4, etc
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39379	From: muniman18	Date: 3/10/2006
Subject: link couplers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39380	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 3/10/2006
Subject: Re: AM Northern Review - How about some inside the tender pics...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39381	From: jjmemmer@aol.com	Date: 3/10/2006
Subject: Re.rocket transport
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39382	From: Clay Buckage	Date: 3/10/2006
Subject: Gilbert Get-Together
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39383	From: Roy Inman	Date: 3/10/2006
Subject: Re: 4-8-4, etc
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39384	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 3/10/2006
Subject: Re: Thomas Stoltz, you lurking
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39385	From: Charles E. Smith	Date: 3/10/2006
Subject: Re: link couplers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39386	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 3/10/2006
Subject: Charter Day in Pennsylvania
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39387	From: Phil K	Date: 3/10/2006
Subject: Link coupler locks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39388	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 3/11/2006
Subject: Re: Thomas Stoltz, you lurking
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39389	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 3/11/2006
Subject: Re: Thomas Stoltz, you lurking
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39390	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 3/11/2006
Subject: Re: Thomas Stoltz, you lurking
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39391	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 3/11/2006
Subject: Re: Thomas Stoltz, you lurking
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39392	From: srgriggs	Date: 3/11/2006
Subject: LED's for AF equipment
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39393	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 3/11/2006
Subject: Re: Thomas Stoltz, you lurking
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39394	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 3/11/2006
Subject: Train Show, 3/12/2006, 11:00 am
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39395	From: tradercraig2005	Date: 3/11/2006
Subject: help identify ...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39396	From: Gerald Dobbs	Date: 3/11/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2984
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39397	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 3/11/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2985
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39398	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 3/11/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2985
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39399	From: Gerald Dobbs	Date: 3/11/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2985
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39400	From: Bob Hannon	Date: 3/11/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2984 - Model Engineering Works
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39401	From: Roger Delthony	Date: 3/11/2006
Subject: Model Engineering Works
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39403	From: Ted Walton	Date: 3/11/2006
Subject: Subject headings
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39404	From: knockbill	Date: 3/11/2006
Subject: York bandit meets
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39405	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 3/11/2006
Subject: Sunday Chat, 3/12/2006, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39406	From: Jim Marski	Date: 3/11/2006
Subject: Open House
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39407	From: Roy Inman	Date: 3/11/2006
Subject: Re: Photos of AM 4-8-4 Northern
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39408	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 3/11/2006
Subject: Re: York bandit meets
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39409	From: Bruce D. Willis	Date: 3/11/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2985 - link coupler modification
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39410	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 3/11/2006
Subject: Rectifiers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39411	From: nyc17819@aol.com	Date: 3/11/2006
Subject: Spring switches, etc.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39412	From: lember2004	Date: 3/11/2006
Subject: AF sellers locations at York
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39413	From: G. Elems	Date: 3/11/2006
Subject: Poll
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39414	From: Don Thompson	Date: 3/12/2006
Subject: Re: AF sellers locations at York
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39415	From: Gerald Dobbs	Date: 3/12/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2986
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39416	From: Craig Loughery	Date: 3/12/2006
Subject: wow swift replies about the model 300 ...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39417	From: geep39	Date: 3/12/2006
Subject: Re: York Bandit Meets
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39418	From: fleskovitz	Date: 3/12/2006
Subject: Erector Cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39419	From: Richard Clouse	Date: 3/12/2006
Subject: AM Northern and TMCC--A Pleasant Surprise
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39420	From: Mike Vana	Date: 3/12/2006
Subject: Did Any Other Ebay buyers get a message like this?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39421	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 3/12/2006
Subject: Re: AM Northern and TMCC--A Pleasant Surprise
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39422	From: Don	Date: 3/12/2006
Subject: #770 baggage handling platform
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39423	From: Richard Clouse	Date: 3/12/2006
Subject: Re: AM Northern and TMCC--A Pleasant Surprise
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39424	From: keefer1	Date: 3/12/2006
Subject: Re: Did Any Other Ebay buyers get a message like this?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39425	From: srgriggs	Date: 3/12/2006
Subject: Re: AM Northern and TMCC--A Pleasant Surprise
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39426	From: Richard Clouse	Date: 3/12/2006
Subject: Re: AM Northern and TMCC--A Pleasant Surprise
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39427	From: Roy Inman	Date: 3/12/2006
Subject: Re: AM Northern and TMCC--A Pleasant Surprise
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39428	From: Robert E. Yablonski	Date: 3/12/2006
Subject: AM 4-8-4 Northern
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39429	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 3/12/2006
Subject: Sunday Chat, 3/12/2006, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39430	From: George Cohn	Date: 3/12/2006
Subject: AF 759 Danger Bell
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39431	From: amtrains42	Date: 3/12/2006
Subject: Dimmers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39432	From: Mark Preman	Date: 3/13/2006
Subject: American Flyer Trains For Sale - More!!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39433	From: JOHN EICHMANN	Date: 3/13/2006
Subject: Happy S Day
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39434	From: knockbill	Date: 3/13/2006
Subject: 759
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39435	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 3/13/2006
Subject: Re: HELP! a dumb question?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39436	From: manderman	Date: 3/13/2006
Subject: Re: HELP! a dumb question?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39437	From: srgriggs	Date: 3/13/2006
Subject: Flyonel Dockside Switcher Electrical Contact
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39438	From: frank emiro	Date: 3/13/2006
Subject: AF 290= NH Pacific 3016
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39439	From: beebear	Date: 3/13/2006
Subject: American Models
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39440	From: Jim Kelly	Date: 3/13/2006
Subject: Re: Erector Cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39441	From: Roy Inman	Date: 3/13/2006
Subject: Re: American Models
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39442	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 3/13/2006
Subject: Re: American Models
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39443	From: BENJAMIN PERRY	Date: 3/13/2006
Subject: Re: AF 290= NH Pacific 3016
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39444	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 3/13/2006
Subject: Re: American Models
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39445	From: daysend40	Date: 3/13/2006
Subject: American Models S12
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39446	From: Scott Holm	Date: 3/13/2006
Subject: Re: American Models
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39447	From: David Dewey	Date: 3/14/2006
Subject: Cracked Bell Danger Bells (say that fast five times!)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39448	From: clayton deich	Date: 3/14/2006
Subject: Re: Cracked Bell Danger Bells (say that fast five times!)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39449	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 3/14/2006
Subject: BADGES - YORK
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39450	From: Edward G.	Date: 3/14/2006
Subject: More FRAUD...1955
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39451	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 3/14/2006
Subject: Nice pic of M&StL 24060 anyone?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39452	From: mvandiver2@aol.com	Date: 3/14/2006
Subject: Adhesive for ballast
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39453	From: Roy Inman	Date: 3/14/2006
Subject: Re: Adhesive for ballast
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39454	From: George Cohn	Date: 3/14/2006
Subject: Re: AF 759 Danger Bell
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39455	From: Ironhorse	Date: 3/14/2006
Subject: Re: Adhesive for ballast
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39456	From: manderman	Date: 3/14/2006
Subject: Re: Adhesive for ballast
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39457	From: tedcanflyer	Date: 3/14/2006
Subject: Photo's of Cal - Stewart Meet Nov 05
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39458	From: Robert Graves	Date: 3/15/2006
Subject: Re: Nice pic of M&StL 24060 anyone?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39459	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 3/15/2006
Subject: Re;Adhesive for ballast
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39460	From: Don Thompson	Date: 3/15/2006
Subject: Re: Photo's of Cal - Stewart Meet Nov 05
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39461	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 3/15/2006
Subject: Re: Nice pic of M&StL 24060 anyone?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39462	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 3/15/2006
Subject: AM Northern TMCC conversion
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39463	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 3/15/2006
Subject: Re: Adhesive for ballast
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39464	From: tomminil@aol.com	Date: 3/15/2006
Subject: Re: SELLING STUFF
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39465	From: Roy Inman	Date: 3/15/2006
Subject: Re: SELLING STUFF
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39466	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 3/15/2006
Subject: Re: "News of new automation and sound system"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39467	From: frank emiro	Date: 3/15/2006
Subject: Fwd: Re: [S-Trains] AF 290= NH Pacific 3016
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39468	From: Phil K	Date: 3/15/2006
Subject: Libel / slander / defamation
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39469	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 3/15/2006
Subject: Re: A. C. Valu Toy Co. S Gauge Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39470	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 3/15/2006
Subject: Re: A. C. Valu Toy Co. S Gauge Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39471	From: Don	Date: 3/15/2006
Subject: Train trip
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39472	From: trainman634	Date: 3/15/2006
Subject: Western Maryland S-Gauge Decals
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39473	From: Steve Blancard	Date: 3/15/2006
Subject: S Gauge Railtruck
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39474	From: Don Thompson	Date: 3/15/2006
Subject: Re: Western Maryland S-Gauge Decals
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39475	From: John Foley	Date: 3/15/2006
Subject: Worlds Greatest HobbyTrain Show
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39476	From: mlmarmer	Date: 3/15/2006
Subject: Re: A. C. Valu Toy Co. S Gauge Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39477	From: Don Thompson	Date: 3/15/2006
Subject: Re: A. C. Valu Toy Co. S Gauge Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39478	From: t.hawley	Date: 3/15/2006
Subject: This year's NASG convention.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39479	From: louis glumac	Date: 3/15/2006
Subject: Re: A. C. Valu Toy Co. S Gauge Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39480	From: mlmarmer	Date: 3/15/2006
Subject: Re: A. C. Valu Toy Co. S Gauge Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39481	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 3/15/2006
Subject: Re: NASG - Annual Meetings
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39482	From: Roy Inman	Date: 3/15/2006
Subject: Re: S Gauge Railtruck
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39483	From: Robert E. Yablonski	Date: 3/15/2006
Subject: Rail Code
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39484	From: Rick Evans	Date: 3/15/2006
Subject: Re: Train trip
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39485	From: Robert Graves	Date: 3/15/2006
Subject: Re: Train trip
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39486	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 3/15/2006
Subject: TRACK
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39487	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 3/15/2006
Subject: Re: Train trip
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39488	From: Lee Johnson	Date: 3/15/2006
Subject: Re: NASG - Annual Meetings
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39489	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 3/15/2006
Subject: Re: Williams to Grand Canyon train ride.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39490	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 3/16/2006
Subject: FAQ Page
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39491	From: Don Thompson	Date: 3/16/2006
Subject: Re: Rail Code
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39492	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 3/16/2006
Subject: Re;Rail Code
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39493	From: romoyer@att.net	Date: 3/16/2006
Subject: Toy Trains on TV
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39494	From: splitdorf@1bigred.com	Date: 3/16/2006
Subject: Re: S Gauge Railtruck
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39495	From: mlmarmer	Date: 3/16/2006
Subject: Re: TRACK
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39496	From: David Engle	Date: 3/16/2006
Subject: Re: Toy Trains on TV
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39497	From: Gerry Evans dba Best of Show Model Build	Date: 3/16/2006
Subject: Big Bang
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39498	From: jackotrains	Date: 3/16/2006
Subject: NASG Convention Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39499	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 3/16/2006
Subject: Special Cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39500	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 3/16/2006
Subject: ADDRESS??????
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39501	From: George Cohn	Date: 3/16/2006
Subject: AF 759 Danger Bell Idea
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39502	From: Charles E. Smith	Date: 3/16/2006
Subject: Re: AF 759 Danger Bell Idea
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39503	From: nyc17819@aol.com	Date: 3/16/2006
Subject: Grand Canyon Railway
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39504	From: David Engle	Date: 3/16/2006
Subject: Re: Grand Canyon Railway
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39505	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 3/16/2006
Subject: Re: Grand Canyon Railway
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39506	From: beebear	Date: 3/17/2006
Subject: Re: AF 759 Danger Bell Idea
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39507	From: George Cohn	Date: 3/17/2006
Subject: Re: AF 759 Danger Bell Idea
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39508	From: kennebunk2002	Date: 3/17/2006
Subject: Banking curves
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39509	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 3/17/2006
Subject: Re: Banking curves
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39510	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 3/17/2006
Subject: AF dealers exhibiting at the Reliance Fire Hall in York in April 17
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39511	From: Bill Clark	Date: 3/17/2006
Subject: S Helper Service Spring Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39512	From: clifma19	Date: 3/17/2006
Subject: saw mill help
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39513	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 3/17/2006
Subject: Re: AF dealers exhibiting at the Reliance Fire Hall in York in Apri
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39514	From: Phil K	Date: 3/17/2006
Subject: Fake calendar guys -- at it again
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39515	From: trainman634	Date: 3/18/2006
Subject: New Roller Pickups
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39516	From: Edward G.	Date: 3/18/2006
Subject: Ripoff ..feedback...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39517	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 3/18/2006
Subject: Another Fake Calendar
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39518	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 3/18/2006
Subject: Check out eBay Seller: rare estate finds: Cultures, Ethnicities, Po
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39519	From: Rick Evans	Date: 3/18/2006
Subject: Prototype train question--NON-toy train
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39520	From: Edward G.	Date: 3/18/2006
Subject: Fake calendar guys -- at it again ..& more
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39521	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 3/18/2006
Subject: Re: Prototype train question--NON-toy train
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39522	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 3/18/2006
Subject: Re: Prototype train question--NON-toy train
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39524	From: Phil K	Date: 3/18/2006
Subject: Why they have derails -- one story
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39525	From: Rick Evans	Date: 3/18/2006
Subject: Re: Prototype train question--NON-toy train
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39526	From: tomminil@aol.com	Date: 3/18/2006
Subject: Re: Check out eBay Seller: rare estate finds: Cultures, Ethnicitie.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39527	From: tomminil@aol.com	Date: 3/18/2006
Subject: Re: saw mill help
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39528	From: Phil K	Date: 3/18/2006
Subject: Better link for derail photo
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39529	From: Mike	Date: 3/18/2006
Subject: Z-Stuff for trains - DZ-1220 Trolley Control
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39530	From: Gregory Klein	Date: 3/18/2006
Subject: Re: Worlds Greatest HobbyTrain Show
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39531	From: Art Shifrin	Date: 3/18/2006
Subject: CB & Q time warp on ebay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39532	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 3/18/2006
Subject: Re: The Light has been seen! S Gauge!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39533	From: Larry Asp	Date: 3/18/2006
Subject: Re: Check out eBay Seller: rare estate finds: Cultures, Ethnicitie.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39534	From: ken garber	Date: 3/18/2006
Subject: Re: Calendars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39535	From: Ironhorse	Date: 3/18/2006
Subject: Wire gauge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39536	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 3/18/2006
Subject: Sunday Chat, 3/19/2006, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39537	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 3/18/2006
Subject: 1944 AMERICANA FLYER TRAIN CALENDAR
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39538	From: Roy Inman	Date: 3/18/2006
Subject: Re: The Light has been seen! S Gauge!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39539	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 3/18/2006
Subject: LOOKING FOR
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39540	From: Phil K	Date: 3/18/2006
Subject: Those counterfeit calendars...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39541	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 3/19/2006
Subject: Rare calendars for sale!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39542	From: David Girson	Date: 3/19/2006
Subject: Re: Fake calendar guys -- at it again
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39543	From: Phil K	Date: 3/19/2006
Subject: Why they have derails -- one story
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39544	From: Phil K	Date: 3/19/2006
Subject: This is really strange
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39545	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 3/19/2006
Subject: Re: This is really strange
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39546	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 3/19/2006
Subject: Re: This is really strange
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39547	From: Phil K	Date: 3/19/2006
Subject: Those fakey calendars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39548	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 3/19/2006
Subject: help an S gauger
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39549	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 3/19/2006
Subject: Re;This is really strange
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39550	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 3/19/2006
Subject: Sunday Chat, 3/19/2006, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39551	From: Phil K	Date: 3/19/2006
Subject: Re: Re;This is really strange
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39552	From: seg60133	Date: 3/19/2006
Subject: American Flyer 2002 NETCA Jenney Tankcar
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39553	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 3/19/2006
Subject: Re: American Flyer 2002 NETCA Jenney Tankcar
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39554	From: jayhoo64	Date: 3/19/2006
Subject: Re: Better link for derail photo
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39555	From: clifma19	Date: 3/19/2006
Subject: Glacier Gravel Model
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39556	From: winchester54947	Date: 3/20/2006
Subject: inside curve clearance
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39557	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 3/20/2006
Subject: Jacksonville FL Train Show
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39558	From: Phil K	Date: 3/20/2006
Subject: Re: Better link for derail photo
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39559	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 3/20/2006
Subject: 3/16: 1st annual s-group chat awards dinner - Your mandatory attend
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39560	From: Mark Preman	Date: 3/20/2006
Subject: Big Two Day Train Show In Jacksonville, FL This Coming Weekend
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39561	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 3/20/2006
Subject: Re: Am. Models Northern - No Chuff?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39562	From: Dave Farquhar	Date: 3/20/2006
Subject: Re: Ripoff ..feedback...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39563	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 3/20/2006
Subject: Re: Am. Models Northern - No Chuff?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39564	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 3/20/2006
Subject: Am. Models Northern - Problems
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39565	From: Roy Inman	Date: 3/20/2006
Subject: Re: Am. Models Northern - Problems
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39566	From: Phil K	Date: 3/20/2006
Subject: Re: Am. Models Northern - Problems
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39567	From: wyhog	Date: 3/20/2006
Subject: Re: Prototype train question--NON-toy train
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39568	From: mlmarmer	Date: 3/20/2006
Subject: Needed Accessory
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39569	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 3/20/2006
Subject: Re: Prototype train question--NON-toy train
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39570	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 3/20/2006
Subject: Re: Glacier Gravel Model
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39572	From: Bruce Papky	Date: 3/20/2006
Subject: Trains in the Twilight Zone...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39573	From: Bill Clark	Date: 3/20/2006
Subject: Re: EASY MOD==>>DCC INTO A.M. NORTHERN
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39574	From: clayk@lonestartrains.com	Date: 3/20/2006
Subject: Re: Fake calendar guys -- at it again
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39575	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 3/21/2006
Subject: Re: AF dealers exhibiting at the Reliance Fire Hall in York in Ap...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39576	From: nsupbnsf@juno.com	Date: 3/21/2006
Subject: Clearance
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39577	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 3/21/2006
Subject: Re: AF dealers exhibiting at the Reliance Fire Hall in York in Ap...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39578	From: Scott Holm	Date: 3/21/2006
Subject: Re: Clearance
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39579	From: bimorph	Date: 3/21/2006
Subject: For sale All Aboard Champion 800
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39580	From: JOHN EICHMANN	Date: 3/21/2006
Subject: Re: Twilight Zone
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39581	From: Doug Peck	Date: 3/21/2006
Subject: Re: Needed Accessory
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39582	From: Roy Inman	Date: 3/21/2006
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] Re: Twilight Zone
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39583	From: Richard Clouse	Date: 3/21/2006
Subject: Re: Twilight Zone
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39584	From: mlmarmer	Date: 3/21/2006
Subject: Re: Needed Accessory
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39585	From: Robert E. Yablonski	Date: 3/21/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2997 AM Northern, Curve Radius
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39586	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 3/21/2006
Subject: Re: Needed Accessory
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39587	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 3/21/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2997 AM Northern, Curve Radius
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39588	From: Phil K	Date: 3/21/2006
Subject: Layout graveyards need a fence....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39589	From: David Dewey	Date: 3/22/2006
Subject: Clearances & Fake Calendar Guys
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39590	From: winchester54947	Date: 3/22/2006
Subject: more clearance questions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39591	From: Scott Holm	Date: 3/22/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2997 AM Northern, Curve Radius
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39592	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 3/22/2006
Subject: Re: more clearance questions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39593	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 3/22/2006
Subject: Re: New S gauge engines
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39594	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 3/22/2006
Subject: Re: Am Models Northern
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39595	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 3/22/2006
Subject: T Zone
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39596	From: Scott Holm	Date: 3/22/2006
Subject: Re: more clearance questions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39597	From: Charles E. Smith	Date: 3/22/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2997 AM Northern, Curve Radius
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39598	From: Gerald L Shultz Sr.	Date: 3/22/2006
Subject: AM NORTHERN
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39599	From: N Becker	Date: 3/22/2006
Subject: Am. Models Northern
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39600	From: Roy Inman	Date: 3/22/2006
Subject: Re: Am. Models Northern
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39601	From: Don	Date: 3/22/2006
Subject: #770 baggage handling platform
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39602	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 3/22/2006
Subject: Fwd: Check out eBay: American Flyer 21107 4-4-2 Atlantic (912 X) (i
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39603	From: Richard Clouse	Date: 3/22/2006
Subject: Re: Santa Fe Walking Brakeman--Labor Stoppage
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39604	From: Robert E. Yablonski	Date: 3/22/2006
Subject: American Models Northern
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39605	From: dphobbies	Date: 3/22/2006
Subject: A Former Micro Scale S Scale Decal List - Finally
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39606	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 3/22/2006
Subject: Re;(S Trains)Re;Twilight Zone
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39607	From: Roger Delthony	Date: 3/22/2006
Subject: A. C. Gilbert Biography
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39608	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 3/22/2006
Subject: Re Fwd: Check out eBay: American Flyer 21107 4-4-2 Atlantic (912 X)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39609	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 3/23/2006
Subject: A. C. Gilbert Biography
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39610	From: ED WHELAN	Date: 3/23/2006
Subject: DOES ANYONE KNOW THE NAME OF THE PERSON WHO RECORDED THE FAMOUS # 7
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39611	From: Rick Evans	Date: 3/23/2006
Subject: Re: A. C. Gilbert Biography
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39612	From: Al Baker	Date: 3/23/2006
Subject: Question about track radius
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39613	From: Don Thompson	Date: 3/23/2006
Subject: Re: Question about track radius
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39614	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 3/23/2006
Subject: Jax Train Show
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39615	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 3/23/2006
Subject: Re: Question about track radius
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39616	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 3/23/2006
Subject: Re: Question about track radius
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39617	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 3/23/2006
Subject: Re: Question about track radius
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39618	From: Richard Hosmer	Date: 3/23/2006
Subject: Re: Question about track radius
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39619	From: Al Baker	Date: 3/23/2006
Subject: Track Radius
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39620	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 3/23/2006
Subject: GILBERT TRACK RADIUS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39621	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 3/23/2006
Subject: Re: GILBERT TRACK RADIUS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39622	From: Phil K	Date: 3/23/2006
Subject: Re: Fwd: Check out eBay: American Flyer 21107 4-4-2 Atlantic (912 X
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39623	From: mlmarmer	Date: 3/23/2006
Subject: Not needed accessory!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39624	From: Roy Inman	Date: 3/23/2006
Subject: FW: Comments from AmericanModels.com
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39625	From: Art Shifrin	Date: 3/23/2006
Subject: Thomas Brio trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39626	From: Roy Inman	Date: 3/23/2006
Subject: Re: Thomas Brio trains II
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39627	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 3/23/2006
Subject: Re: Thomas Brio trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39628	From: nyc17819@aol.com	Date: 3/23/2006
Subject: Track Radius
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39629	From: ED WHELAN	Date: 3/23/2006
Subject: Re: FW: Comments from AmericanModels.com
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39630	From: Al Baker	Date: 3/23/2006
Subject: Re: Track Radius
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39631	From: Roy Inman	Date: 3/23/2006
Subject: Re: FW: Comments from AmericanModels.com
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39632	From: firex43	Date: 3/23/2006
Subject: 21107 Atlantic and High Price on Ebay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39633	From: Phil K	Date: 3/23/2006
Subject: Re: FW: Comments from AmericanModels.com
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39634	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 3/24/2006
Subject: Humor online
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39635	From: Nick and Becky Colleran	Date: 3/24/2006
Subject: WHO RECORDED THE FAMOUS # 755 TALKING STATION
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39636	From: ED WHELAN	Date: 3/24/2006
Subject: Re: FW: Comments from AmericanModels.com
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39637	From: Joseph Higgins	Date: 3/24/2006
Subject: Re: FW: Comments from AmericanModels.com
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39638	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 3/24/2006
Subject: Re: 21107 Atlantic and High Price on Ebay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39639	From: Jim Ensign	Date: 3/24/2006
Subject: Amercian Models Amtrak set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39640	From: Roy Inman	Date: 3/24/2006
Subject: Re: Amercian Models Amtrak set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39641	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 3/24/2006
Subject: Re: American Model Northern
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39642	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 3/24/2006
Subject: Re: Amercian Models Amtrak set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39643	From: Rick Evans	Date: 3/24/2006
Subject: For the On30 converters to S........
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39644	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 3/24/2006
Subject: Re: For the On30 converters to S........
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39645	From: jt12313	Date: 3/24/2006
Subject: silly painting question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39646	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 3/24/2006
Subject: Re: Amercian Models Amtrak set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39647	From: Roy Inman	Date: 3/24/2006
Subject: Re: FW: Comments from AmericanModels.com
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39648	From: oldiron_tractor	Date: 3/24/2006
Subject: 322 hudson
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39649	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 3/24/2006
Subject: Re: Amercian Models Amtrak set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39650	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 3/24/2006
Subject: Re: FW: Comments - Please keep 'em comming - New Engine Anxiety - U
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39651	From: Steve Blancard	Date: 3/24/2006
Subject: Re: For the On30 converters to S........
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39652	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 3/24/2006
Subject: Re;For the on30 converters to S...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39653	From: Al	Date: 3/24/2006
Subject: Back step on an AF 355 Baldwin diesel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39654	From: Trains	Date: 3/24/2006
Subject: Amtrak pahses etc. and clapboard siding
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39655	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 3/24/2006
Subject: LTI NORTHERNS?????????????
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39656	From: Jim Ensign	Date: 3/24/2006
Subject: Amtrak responses
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39657	From: charlie and edith	Date: 3/24/2006
Subject: Armature Spacer Washer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39658	From: ED WHELAN	Date: 3/24/2006
Subject: It's time to say goodby
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39659	From: Rick Evans	Date: 3/25/2006
Subject: Re: It's time to say goodby
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39660	From: T Larson	Date: 3/25/2006
Subject: fyi - from another list
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39661	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 3/25/2006
Subject: Re;It's time to say goodbye
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39662	From: Joseph Higgins	Date: 3/25/2006
Subject: Re: It's time to say goodby
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39663	From: Rick Evans	Date: 3/25/2006
Subject: Photo gallery and info
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39664	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 3/25/2006
Subject: Re: silly painting question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39665	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 3/25/2006
Subject: Re: For the On30 converters to S........
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39666	From: Roy Inman	Date: 3/25/2006
Subject: Walthers Swing Bridge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39667	From: Rick Evans	Date: 3/25/2006
Subject: Re: For the On30 converters to S........
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39668	From: oldiron_tractor	Date: 3/25/2006
Subject: 322 hudson
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39669	From: Roy Inman	Date: 3/25/2006
Subject: Re: It's time to say goodby
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39670	From: Rick Evans	Date: 3/25/2006
Subject: On30 conversions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39671	From: Ironhorse	Date: 3/25/2006
Subject: Re: It's time to say goodby
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39672	From: Ironhorse	Date: 3/25/2006
Subject: Re: Armature Spacer Washer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39673	From: glenn allen	Date: 3/25/2006
Subject: Railway Modeller
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39674	From: Donald Munsey Jr.	Date: 3/25/2006
Subject: Re: On30 conversions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39675	From: Clay Buckage	Date: 3/25/2006
Subject: Re: Armature Spacer Washer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39676	From: Steve McGuire	Date: 3/25/2006
Subject: Source for bells?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39677	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 3/25/2006
Subject: Re: On30 conversions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39678	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 3/25/2006
Subject: Sunday Chat, 3/26/2006, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39679	From: Trains	Date: 3/25/2006
Subject: Re: what is the purpose/function of armature spacer washer (AF) ste
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39680	From: dale reynolds	Date: 3/25/2006
Subject: new CTT
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39681	From: John Gibson	Date: 3/25/2006
Subject: Burlington North S scale Brass for Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39682	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 3/25/2006
Subject: Re;On30 conversions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39683	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 3/25/2006
Subject: Jacksonville layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39684	From: Donald Munsey Jr.	Date: 3/25/2006
Subject: Re: On30 conversions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39685	From: Phil K	Date: 3/25/2006
Subject: All American Train Show
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39686	From: Rick Evans	Date: 3/25/2006
Subject: USA Flags
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39687	From: oldiron_tractor	Date: 3/26/2006
Subject: 322 hudson
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39688	From: Bob W.	Date: 3/26/2006
Subject: Flyonel docksider
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39689	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 3/26/2006
Subject: Re: new CTT
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39690	From: beechcricker	Date: 3/26/2006
Subject: AF 290 Issue
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39691	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 3/26/2006
Subject: Great Western & Atlantic Train Show, 3/26/2006, 11:00 am
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39692	From: muniman18	Date: 3/26/2006
Subject: saying good bye
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39693	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 3/26/2006
Subject: Re: Atlantic Coast S Gaugers - Jacksonville Show
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39694	From: Knight, Gene	Date: 3/26/2006
Subject: cool website
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39695	From: Jenni Sipla	Date: 3/26/2006
Subject: Re: 322 hudson
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39696	From: Spots350SL@aol.com	Date: 3/26/2006
Subject: #303 Loco and "stuff" for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39697	From: David Dewey	Date: 3/26/2006
Subject: Them Thrust washers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39698	From: keefer1	Date: 3/26/2006
Subject: Re: 322 hudson
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39699	From: Ernest Mendecke	Date: 3/26/2006
Subject: AM Northern comments
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39700	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 3/26/2006
Subject: Re: 322 hudson
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39701	From: Sam and Judy Williamson	Date: 3/26/2006
Subject: Re: Source for bells?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39702	From: clayton deich	Date: 3/26/2006
Subject: Re: 322 hudson
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39703	From: Roy Inman	Date: 3/26/2006
Subject: Re: cool website
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39704	From: Steve Blancard	Date: 3/26/2006
Subject: Re: On30 conversions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39705	From: dwightlehnhoff	Date: 3/26/2006
Subject: DC engines
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39706	From: uvl97222	Date: 3/26/2006
Subject: Re: AF 759 Danger Bell
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39707	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 3/26/2006
Subject: Re: On30 conversions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39708	From: Dennis Back	Date: 3/26/2006
Subject: Re: 322 hudson (dc 332)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39709	From: Phil K	Date: 3/26/2006
Subject: Lighted drumheads in S
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39710	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 3/26/2006
Subject: Sunday Chat, 3/26/2006, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39711	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 3/26/2006
Subject: Re;cool site
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39712	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 3/26/2006
Subject: Re;Flyonel Docksider
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39713	From: Rick Evans	Date: 3/26/2006
Subject: Re;On30 conversions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39714	From: mvandiver2@aol.com	Date: 3/26/2006
Subject: Sunday evening chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39715	From: mvandiver2@aol.com	Date: 3/26/2006
Subject: Sunday evening Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39716	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 3/26/2006
Subject: Re: 322 hudson (dc 332)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39717	From: Steve Blancard	Date: 3/26/2006
Subject: Re: On30 conversions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39718	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 3/26/2006
Subject: Re: AM Northern comments
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39719	From: Steve Blancard	Date: 3/26/2006
Subject: Re: Re;On30 conversions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39720	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 3/26/2006
Subject: Re: Sunday evening Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39721	From: Brigadier Scottish Shop Beechworth	Date: 3/26/2006
Subject: Beechworth Victoria Australia
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39722	From: Jenni Sipla	Date: 3/26/2006
Subject: Re: 322 hudson (dc 332)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39723	From: Jenni Sipla	Date: 3/26/2006
Subject: Re: 322 hudson
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39724	From: winchester54947	Date: 3/26/2006
Subject: 3 turnout turnaround
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39725	From: Ed Eckert	Date: 3/26/2006
Subject: 7th Annual Flyer Fest West Update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39726	From: Velapoldi	Date: 3/27/2006
Subject: Re: On30 conversions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39727	From: tomminil@aol.com	Date: 3/27/2006
Subject: Re: AF 290 Issue
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39728	From: nsupbnsf@juno.com	Date: 3/27/2006
Subject: Docksider Hesitation
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39729	From: Robert Graves	Date: 3/27/2006
Subject: Re: 3 turnout turnaround
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39730	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 3/27/2006
Subject: Re: Rectifiers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39731	From: splitdorf@1bigred.com	Date: 3/27/2006
Subject: Re: On30 conversions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39732	From: Roy Inman	Date: 3/27/2006
Subject: Re: 3 turnout turnaround
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39733	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 3/27/2006
Subject: Re: Rectifiers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39734	From: ken garber	Date: 3/27/2006
Subject: Re: building a Wye
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39735	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 3/27/2006
Subject: Re: Amercian Models Amtrak set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39736	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 3/27/2006
Subject: Re: Amercian Models Amtrak set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39737	From: Roy Inman	Date: 3/27/2006
Subject: Re: Amercian Models Amtrak set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39738	From: Phil K	Date: 3/27/2006
Subject: Amtrak and trucks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39739	From: John Frankforther	Date: 3/27/2006
Subject: Layouts or shows
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39740	From: Doug Peck	Date: 3/27/2006
Subject: Re: AF 290 Issue
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39741	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 3/27/2006
Subject: Re: Amercian Models Amtrak set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39742	From: Steve Blancard	Date: 3/27/2006
Subject: ON30 passenger car conversion - photos up
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39743	From: Mark Seibel	Date: 3/27/2006
Subject: Thomas the Tank
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39744	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 3/27/2006
Subject: Re: Northern 4-8-4 FEF Steam Engines
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39745	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 3/28/2006
Subject: Re: AM Northern comments... thanx 4 the Info...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39746	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 3/28/2006
Subject: Quick Real Life Questions Regarding Tundra on Amtrack Engine...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39747	From: winchester54947	Date: 3/28/2006
Subject: What comapny makes the Amtrack railroad equipment... is it GM?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39748	From: Gerald Dobbs	Date: 3/28/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 3006
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39749	From: winchester54947	Date: 3/28/2006
Subject: 3 turnout turnaround
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39750	From: Roy Inman	Date: 3/28/2006
Subject: Re: 3 turnout turnaround
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39751	From: ken garber	Date: 3/28/2006
Subject: Re: Amtrak manufacturers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39752	From: George Cohn	Date: 3/28/2006
Subject: Re: Amtrak manufacturers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39753	From: G. Elems	Date: 3/28/2006
Subject: Brass GE 70 tonner
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39754	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 3/28/2006
Subject: Re: Amercian Models Amtrak set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39755	From: amtrains42	Date: 3/28/2006
Subject: Re: Layouts or shows
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39756	From: amtrains42	Date: 3/29/2006
Subject: Re: 322 hudson
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39757	From: lember2004	Date: 3/29/2006
Subject: appearance of 663 aluminum observation help
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39758	From: wc johnson	Date: 3/29/2006
Subject: Re: Quick Real Life Questions Regarding Tundra on Amtrack Engine...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39759	From: Roy Inman	Date: 3/29/2006
Subject: AM Northern coupler change
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39761	From: Gerry Evans dba Best of Show Model Build	Date: 3/30/2006
Subject: Fw: {S-Scale List} AM Northern coupler change
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39762	From: oldiron_tractor	Date: 3/30/2006
Subject: Once agian on the 322
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39763	From: Roy Inman	Date: 3/30/2006
Subject: Re: Fw: {S-Scale List} AM Northern coupler change
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39764	From: Jenni Sipla	Date: 3/30/2006
Subject: Re: Once agian on the 322
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39765	From: beechcricker	Date: 3/30/2006
Subject: Re: AF 290 Issue
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39766	From: Steve Blancard	Date: 3/30/2006
Subject: Why did AF decide to make the K5 (310-315) steamer?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39767	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 3/30/2006
Subject: Re: Why did AF decide to make the K5 (310-315) steamer?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39768	From: splitdorf@1bigred.com	Date: 3/30/2006
Subject: Re: Why did AF decide to make the K5 (310-315) steamer?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39769	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 3/30/2006
Subject: Re: Why did AF decide to make the K5 (310-315) steamer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39770	From: Roy Inman	Date: 3/30/2006
Subject: Wye illustration
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39771	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 3/31/2006
Subject: Re;Why did AF make the K5.....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39772	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 3/31/2006
Subject: Re: Why did AF decide to make the K5 (310-315) steamer?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39773	From: Al Baker	Date: 3/31/2006
Subject: PRR K-5
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39774	From: Bill	Date: 3/31/2006
Subject: Lehigh Valley S Gaugers Web-site
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39775	From: srgriggs	Date: 3/31/2006
Subject: Re: Why did AF decide to make the K5 (310-315) steamer?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39776	From: Roy Inman	Date: 3/31/2006
Subject: Re: Fw: {S-Scale List} AM Northern coupler change
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39777	From: lember2004	Date: 3/31/2006
Subject: Answers to ? about aluminum 663 appearance
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39778	From: lember2004	Date: 3/31/2006
Subject: Re: Why did AF decide to make the K5 (310-315) steamer?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39779	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 3/31/2006
Subject: Re: KD- couplers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39780	From: Phil K	Date: 3/31/2006
Subject: Here we go again... PLEASE READ
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39781	From: Art Shifrin	Date: 3/31/2006
Subject: K5
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39782	From: Roy Inman	Date: 3/31/2006
Subject: Re: KD- couplers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39783	From: Steve Blancard	Date: 3/31/2006
Subject: Photos added - custom Franklins, Railtruck, ON30 conversions and K5
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39784	From: manderman	Date: 3/31/2006
Subject: Re: Here we go again... PLEASE READ
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39785	From: George Cohn	Date: 3/31/2006
Subject: Re: Here we go again... PLEASE READ
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39786	From: David Engle	Date: 3/31/2006
Subject: Re: K5
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39787	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 3/31/2006
Subject: K5's and GGI's
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39788	From: Don Thompson	Date: 3/31/2006
Subject: Re: K5's and GGI's
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39789	From: Rick Evans	Date: 3/31/2006
Subject: Fw: [S-Trains] Here we go again... PLEASE READ
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39790	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 3/31/2006
Subject: Re: K5's and GGI's
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39791	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 3/31/2006
Subject: Re: Here we go again... PLEASE READ
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39792	From: David Dewey	Date: 3/31/2006
Subject: AF Loco Choices
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39793	From: james carnes	Date: 3/31/2006
Subject: Re: Here we go again... PLEASE READ
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39794	From: Brigadier Scottish Shop Beechworth	Date: 3/31/2006
Subject: Using pop rivets to fasten AF trucks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39795	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 4/1/2006
Subject: Deja Vue all over again.... Knowledge Base Repository Approaches?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39796	From: Dale Smith	Date: 4/1/2006
Subject: Re: Answers to ? about aluminum 663 appearance
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39797	From: Rick Evans	Date: 4/1/2006
Subject: Re: Using pop rivets to fasten AF trucks...or.....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39798	From: Roy Inman	Date: 4/1/2006
Subject: FYI: Northern coupler change
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39799	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 4/1/2006
Subject: Re: Using pop rivets to fasten AF trucks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39800	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 4/1/2006
Subject: Re: Using pop rivets to fasten AF trucks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39801	From: Rick Evans	Date: 4/1/2006
Subject: Re: Here we go again... PLEASE READ
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39802	From: rkuepper	Date: 4/1/2006
Subject: Re: Here we go again... PLEASE READ
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39803	From: Steve Blancard	Date: 4/1/2006
Subject: Re: K5's and GGI's (Franklin motor comments)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39804	From: Robert Graves	Date: 4/1/2006
Subject: Re: Deja Vue all over again.... Knowledge Base Repository Approache
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39805	From: NASG Library	Date: 4/1/2006
Subject: Mobley Library temporary closure
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39806	From: Trains	Date: 4/1/2006
Subject: Kadee coupleres on AM 4-8-4 and like problems
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39807	From: Roy Inman	Date: 4/1/2006
Subject: Re: Deja Vue all over again.... Knowledge Base Repository Approache
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39808	From: james carnes	Date: 4/1/2006
Subject: Re: Here we go again... PLEASE READ
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39809	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 4/1/2006
Subject: 2006 NASG National Convention
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39810	From: Phil K	Date: 4/1/2006
Subject: Re: 2006 NASG National Convention
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39811	From: Rick	Date: 4/1/2006
Subject: ATSF Crome B unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39812	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 4/1/2006
Subject: Re: [toytrains] Digest Number 4099
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39813	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 4/1/2006
Subject: K5
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39814	From: wc johnson	Date: 4/1/2006
Subject: Re: Here we go again... PLEASE READ
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39815	From: flyerbuddy	Date: 4/1/2006
Subject: track pins
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39816	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 4/1/2006
Subject: Re: 2006 NASG National Convention
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39817	From: Trains	Date: 4/1/2006
Subject: AM 4-8-4 AF coupler version... converting to Kadee style couplers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39818	From: lember2004	Date: 4/1/2006
Subject: Re: Answers to ? about aluminum 663 appearance
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39819	From: lember2004	Date: 4/1/2006
Subject: Mark replies to "Here we go again... PLEASE READ"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39820	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 4/1/2006
Subject: Sunday Chat, 4/2/2006, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39821	From: Ironhorse	Date: 4/1/2006
Subject: Re: 3 turnout turnaround
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39822	From: Charles E. Smith	Date: 4/1/2006
Subject: Re: Here we go again... PLEASE READ
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39823	From: David Dewey	Date: 4/1/2006
Subject: Polishing Pass Car Tails & Chat Content
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39824	From: beebear	Date: 4/1/2006
Subject: Pictures and movies
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39825	From: Roy Inman	Date: 4/1/2006
Subject: Re: AM 4-8-4 AF coupler version... converting to Kadee style coup
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39826	From: Roy Inman	Date: 4/1/2006
Subject: Re: Pictures and movies
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39827	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 4/2/2006
Subject: Re: Pictures and movies
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39828	From: Scott Holm	Date: 4/2/2006
Subject: Re: replying to list options
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39829	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 4/2/2006
Subject: LIONEL HAS SOLD KLINE TO MTH
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39830	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 4/2/2006
Subject: Re: replying to list options
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39831	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 4/2/2006
Subject: Re: replying to list options
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39832	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 4/2/2006
Subject: FAQ - Knowledge Repository
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39833	From: beebear	Date: 4/2/2006
Subject: Re: replying to list options
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39834	From: beebear	Date: 4/2/2006
Subject: Re: Pictures and movies
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39835	From: Rick Evans	Date: 4/2/2006
Subject: Mark replies to "Here we go again... PLEASE READ"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39836	From: Phil K	Date: 4/2/2006
Subject: Re: replying to list options
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39837	From: Phil K	Date: 4/2/2006
Subject: Re: Mark replies to "Here we go again... PLEASE READ"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39838	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 4/2/2006
Subject: Re: Pictures and movies
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39839	From: Roy Inman	Date: 4/2/2006
Subject: Re: replying to list options
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39840	From: Neil Trump	Date: 4/2/2006
Subject: Re: LIONEL HAS SOLD KLINE TO MTH
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39841	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 4/2/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 3013
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39842	From: Neil Trump	Date: 4/2/2006
Subject: Re: LIONEL HAS SOLD KLINE TO MTH
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39843	From: Robert King	Date: 4/2/2006
Subject: Enough Variety In S?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39844	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 4/2/2006
Subject: Atlantic Coast S Gaugers @ Jax Florida
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39845	From: Roy Inman	Date: 4/2/2006
Subject: AM ATSF Northern tender coupler
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39846	From: wc johnson	Date: 4/2/2006
Subject: Cincinnati In Motion pictures
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39847	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 4/2/2006
Subject: Re: The Track Question - same in S as in O
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39848	From: Roy Inman	Date: 4/2/2006
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] AM ATSF Northern tender coupler PS:
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39849	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 4/2/2006
Subject: Sunday Chat, 4/2/2006, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39850	From: Roy Inman	Date: 4/2/2006
Subject: Des Plains web site not working?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39851	From: Roy Inman	Date: 4/2/2006
Subject: Re: The Track Question - same in S as in O
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39852	From: rkuepper	Date: 4/2/2006
Subject: Re: Atlantic Coast S Gaugers @ Jax Florida
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39853	From: Gary Chudzinski	Date: 4/2/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 3013 SEND or Reply TO
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39854	From: ken garber	Date: 4/2/2006
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Des Plains web site not working?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39855	From: Furmanak, Stan	Date: 4/2/2006
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Des Plains web site not working?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39856	From: race944t	Date: 4/2/2006
Subject: To post or respond directly . . .
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39857	From: beebear	Date: 4/2/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 3013 SEND or Reply TO
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39858	From: David Dewey	Date: 4/3/2006
Subject: Travel Expense to York
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39859	From: Russ Dondero	Date: 4/3/2006
Subject: SHS Consolidation & AM Northern
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39860	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 4/3/2006
Subject: Re: SHS Consolidation & AM Northern and FLYONEL MIKADO
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39861	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 4/3/2006
Subject: Re: The Track Question - same in S as in O
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39862	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 4/3/2006
Subject: Re: LIONEL HAS SOLD KLINE TO MTH
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39863	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 4/3/2006
Subject: Re: track pins
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39864	From: Mark Preman	Date: 4/3/2006
Subject: American Flyer Trains for Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39865	From: N Becker	Date: 4/3/2006
Subject: SHS Consolidation & AM Northern
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39866	From: clifma19	Date: 4/3/2006
Subject: Track for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39867	From: Roy Inman	Date: 4/3/2006
Subject: Re: SHS Consolidation & AM Northern II
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39868	From: Roy Inman	Date: 4/3/2006
Subject: S scale speeder
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39869	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 4/3/2006
Subject: Railpasses
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39870	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 4/3/2006
Subject: Fwd: Ready for next Wednesday?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39871	From: Trains	Date: 4/3/2006
Subject: AM 4-8-4 AF/Kadee coupler conversion
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39872	From: Roy Inman	Date: 4/3/2006
Subject: Re: AM 4-8-4 AF/Kadee coupler conversion
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39873	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 4/3/2006
Subject: Re Fwd: Ready for next Wednesday?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39874	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 4/4/2006
Subject: National Champs (Non-train related)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39875	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 4/4/2006
Subject: Fwd: Ready for next Wednesday?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39876	From: rkuepper	Date: 4/4/2006
Subject: Re: Fwd: Ready for next Wednesday?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39877	From: Phil K	Date: 4/4/2006
Subject: Re: Fwd: Ready for next Wednesday?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39878	From: clifma19	Date: 4/4/2006
Subject: New engine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39879	From: paflyrman	Date: 4/4/2006
Subject: Lionel Mikado & TMCC Problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39880	From: Al	Date: 4/4/2006
Subject: Gene Dovenbarger - Stroke victim
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39881	From: paflyrman	Date: 4/4/2006
Subject: Re: Lionel Mikado & TMCC Problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39882	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 4/4/2006
Subject: The Track Question - same in S as in O
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39883	From: Gary Chudzinski	Date: 4/4/2006
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] Digest Number 3016
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39884	From: Russ Dondero	Date: 4/4/2006
Subject: Re: SHS Consolidation & AM Northern
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39885	From: Russ Dondero	Date: 4/4/2006
Subject: Re: SHS Consolidation & AM Northern II
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39886	From: Roy Inman	Date: 4/4/2006
Subject: Re: SHS Consolidation & AM Northern II
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39887	From: Rick Evans	Date: 4/5/2006
Subject: Reading S-Trains at Yahoo
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39888	From: Phil K	Date: 4/5/2006
Subject: Re: Reading S-Trains at Yahoo
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39889	From: dale reynolds	Date: 4/5/2006
Subject: Early AF 360-1
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39890	From: hjsheff	Date: 4/5/2006
Subject: Train trips
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39891	From: Rick Evans	Date: 4/5/2006
Subject: Re: Reading S-Trains at Yahoo/pop-ups
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39892	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 4/5/2006
Subject: Re: 06:06:06 06/06/06
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39893	From: paflyrman	Date: 4/5/2006
Subject: Mikado & TMCC Problem - No Solution
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39894	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 4/5/2006
Subject: Atlas O purchased Industrial Rail
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39895	From: Barry Jamison	Date: 4/5/2006
Subject: Pins for engine tender connection
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39896	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 4/5/2006
Subject: Re: Atlas O purchased Industrial Rail
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39897	From: mlmarmer	Date: 4/5/2006
Subject: Mother's Room?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39898	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 4/5/2006
Subject: OFF TOPIC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39899	From: charlie and edith	Date: 4/5/2006
Subject: Armature spacer washer, Steam, Summary
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39900	From: G. Elems	Date: 4/6/2006
Subject: Re: Atlas O purchased Industrial Rail
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39901	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 4/6/2006
Subject: Re: Armature spacer washer, Steam,Addenda
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39902	From: rkuepper	Date: 4/6/2006
Subject: Re: Mother's Room?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39903	From: Dave Ganslein	Date: 4/6/2006
Subject: Cell Phone Security
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39904	From: ken garber	Date: 4/6/2006
Subject: Re: Atlas Purchase
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39905	From: Velapoldi	Date: 4/7/2006
Subject: Re: Atlas Purchase
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39906	From: Bill Clark	Date: 4/7/2006
Subject: SHS Spring Sale ends today at Midnight
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39907	From: kenwoodies1	Date: 4/7/2006
Subject: American Flyer Christmas 2006
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39908	From: paflyrman	Date: 4/7/2006
Subject: Mikado & TMCC Problem - SOLVED !!!!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39909	From: RCESpeak	Date: 4/7/2006
Subject: York Arrangements
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39910	From: ken garber	Date: 4/7/2006
Subject: Re: Atlas - I.R.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39911	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 4/7/2006
Subject: April 19th in Strasburg
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39912	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 4/7/2006
Subject: Re;Atlas purchase
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39913	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 4/7/2006
Subject: Re: Atlas Purchase
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39914	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 4/7/2006
Subject: SHS 2-8-0 TMCC Conversion.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39915	From: Roy Inman	Date: 4/7/2006
Subject: Re: SHS 2-8-0 TMCC Conversion.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39916	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 4/7/2006
Subject: Re: York - and Glen Rock Fire Department
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39917	From: G. Elems	Date: 4/7/2006
Subject: IR cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39918	From: Gary Chudzinski	Date: 4/7/2006
Subject: Re: Cell phone security
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39919	From: Richard Clouse	Date: 4/8/2006
Subject: Re: SHS 2-8-0 TMCC Conversion.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39920	From: Robert Graves	Date: 4/8/2006
Subject: Lionel's SD-9 engines and the earlier GP-7 engines
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39921	From: Dave Ganslein	Date: 4/8/2006
Subject: Cell Phones
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39922	From: jnr59@aol.com	Date: 4/8/2006
Subject: Need some B&O Steam Engine and Caboose S Scale Decals
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39923	From: Robert Graves	Date: 4/8/2006
Subject: 48023 Santa Fe merger GP-9
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39924	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 4/8/2006
Subject: Sunday Chat, 4/9/2006, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39925	From: trainnut2us	Date: 4/8/2006
Subject: Coupler conversion
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39926	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 4/8/2006
Subject: Re: Lionel's SD-9 engines and the earlier GP-7 engines
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39927	From: Charles E. Smith	Date: 4/8/2006
Subject: Re: Lionel's SD-9 engines and the earlier GP-7 engines
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39928	From: Charles E. Smith	Date: 4/8/2006
Subject: Re: Lionel's SD-9 engines and the earlier GP-7 engines
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39929	From: Don Thompson	Date: 4/8/2006
Subject: Re: Need some B&O Steam Engine and Caboose S Scale Decals
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39930	From: Mike Rosz	Date: 4/8/2006
Subject: Re: Sunday Chat, 4/9/2006, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39931	From: Robert Graves	Date: 4/8/2006
Subject: Re: Lionel's SD-9 engines and the earlier GP-7 engines
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39932	From: Phil K	Date: 4/9/2006
Subject: Re: Lionel's SD-9 engines and the earlier GP-7 engines
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39933	From: Bill Porter	Date: 4/9/2006
Subject: Lionel Magnet Crane - Any Experience?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39934	From: Bill Porter	Date: 4/9/2006
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Lionel Magnet Crane - Any Experience?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39935	From: Roy Inman	Date: 4/9/2006
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Lionel Magnet Crane - Any Experience?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39936	From: ken garber	Date: 4/9/2006
Subject: Re: Geeps
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39937	From: Russ and Beth Rawling	Date: 4/9/2006
Subject: Lionel Magnet Crane - Any Experience?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39938	From: mlmarmer	Date: 4/9/2006
Subject: E-Z Dabber Precision Applicator by E-Z Mix
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39939	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 4/9/2006
Subject: Sunday Chat, 4/9/2006, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39940	From: David Dewey	Date: 4/9/2006
Subject: GP locos, especiall GP20
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39941	From: Phil K	Date: 4/9/2006
Subject: Train vs. Semi, train wins
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39942	From: flyerbuddy	Date: 4/9/2006
Subject: lift bridge help
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39943	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 4/10/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 3022
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39944	From: jayhoo64	Date: 4/10/2006
Subject: Re: Lionel's SD-9 engines and the earlier GP-7 engines
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39945	From: Rick Evans	Date: 4/10/2006
Subject: "How do YOU read posts from S-Trains?" Poll
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39946	From: Al	Date: 4/10/2006
Subject: Smoke Unit for GP-9
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39947	From: Rick Evans	Date: 4/10/2006
Subject: Re: Train vs. Semi, train wins
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39948	From: Robert Graves	Date: 4/10/2006
Subject: Re: lift bridge help
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39949	From: Robert E. Yablonski	Date: 4/10/2006
Subject: Tie plates
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39950	From: Roy Inman	Date: 4/10/2006
Subject: Re: Smoke Unit for GP-9
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39951	From: Bob Tufts	Date: 4/10/2006
Subject: Re: York Arrangements
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39952	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 4/11/2006
Subject: MOTORS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39953	From: Phil K	Date: 4/11/2006
Subject: Re: lift bridge help
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39954	From: charlie and edith	Date: 4/11/2006
Subject: Swap
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39955	From: George Cohn	Date: 4/11/2006
Subject: Re: MOTORS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39956	From: Bill Porter	Date: 4/11/2006
Subject: Re: MOTORS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39957	From: Roy Inman	Date: 4/11/2006
Subject: Re: MOTORS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39958	From: Trains	Date: 4/11/2006
Subject: Re: Mabuchi motor
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39959	From: Rick Evans	Date: 4/11/2006
Subject: Reading posts on the S-trains list.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39960	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 4/11/2006
Subject: Re: Reading posts on the S-trains list.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39961	From: Phil K	Date: 4/11/2006
Subject: Re: Reading posts on the S-trains list.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39962	From: George Cohn	Date: 4/11/2006
Subject: Re: Reading posts on the S-trains list.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39963	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 4/11/2006
Subject: Re;MOTORS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39964	From: Bill Frazier	Date: 4/11/2006
Subject: Re: Mabuchi moters
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39965	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 4/11/2006
Subject: Re: Re;MOTORS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39966	From: Rick Evans	Date: 4/11/2006
Subject: Re: Reading posts on the S-trains list.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39967	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 4/11/2006
Subject: Re: Re;MOTORS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39968	From: Rick Evans	Date: 4/11/2006
Subject: Re: Reading posts on the S-trains list.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39969	From: Robert Graves	Date: 4/11/2006
Subject: Re: 48023 Santa Fe merger GP-9
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39970	From: Doug Peck	Date: 4/11/2006
Subject: Re: Smoke Unit for GP-9
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39971	From: Mike Rosz	Date: 4/11/2006
Subject: 653 wanted R or G buy or trade
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39972	From: Phil K	Date: 4/11/2006
Subject: Flyonel Christmas cars are posted in online catalog
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39973	From: race944t	Date: 4/11/2006
Subject: Gilbert Get Together
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39974	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 4/11/2006
Subject: Re: Reading posts... The Good ole daze... Does Rick play acoustic?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39975	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 4/12/2006
Subject: Re: Flyonel Christmas Boxcar - What's going on?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39976	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 4/12/2006
Subject: Re: Mabuchi motor
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39977	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 4/12/2006
Subject: Re: Mabuchi motor
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39978	From: Roy Inman	Date: 4/12/2006
Subject: Re: Flyonel Christmas Boxcar - What's going on?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39979	From: Roy Inman	Date: 4/12/2006
Subject: Re: Flyonel Christmas Boxcar - What's going on?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39980	From: burkhardt1938	Date: 4/12/2006
Subject: Help with a 695 Reverse Loop Kit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39981	From: Rick Evans	Date: 4/12/2006
Subject: 2006 AF Christmas Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39982	From: mlmarmer	Date: 4/12/2006
Subject: Re: 2006 AF Christmas Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39983	From: Rick Evans	Date: 4/12/2006
Subject: Re: 2006 AF Christmas Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39984	From: Scott Holm	Date: 4/12/2006
Subject: Re: 2006 AF Christmas Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39985	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 4/12/2006
Subject: YORK MEETINGS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39986	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 4/12/2006
Subject: Re: 2006 AF Christmas Car - Who nose...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39987	From: X3C12@aol.com	Date: 4/12/2006
Subject: New E-Mail Address
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39988	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 4/12/2006
Subject: Re: 2006 AF Christmas Car - What's the best way to paint a door?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39989	From: charlie and edith	Date: 4/12/2006
Subject: Circus Flat Yellow
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39990	From: JJT	Date: 4/13/2006
Subject: Gription Tires
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39991	From: Edward G.	Date: 4/13/2006
Subject: Flyonel Christmas Boxcar - What's going on?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39992	From: X3C12@aol.com	Date: 4/13/2006
Subject: X3C12's change of E-mail Address
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39993	From: Rick Evans	Date: 4/13/2006
Subject: Re: Circus Flat Yellow
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39994	From: Charles E. Smith	Date: 4/13/2006
Subject: Re: Gription Tires
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39995	From: mlmarmer	Date: 4/13/2006
Subject: Re: 2006 AF Christmas Car - What's the best way to paint a door?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39996	From: George Cohn	Date: 4/13/2006
Subject: Re: Circus Flat Yellow
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39997	From: Rhett George	Date: 4/13/2006
Subject: 695 Reverse Loop Kit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39998	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 4/13/2006
Subject: Re: Flyonel Christmas Boxcar - The Numbers?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 39999	From: Scott Holm	Date: 4/13/2006
Subject: Re: Circus Flat Yellow
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40000	From: lember2004	Date: 4/13/2006
Subject: Re: Circus Flat Yellow
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40001	From: jayhoo64	Date: 4/14/2006
Subject: Re: 2006 AF Christmas Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40002	From: bandmancwc	Date: 4/14/2006
Subject: Accessory speed control-overheating
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40003	From: George Cohn	Date: 4/14/2006
Subject: Re: Accessory speed control-overheating
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40004	From: romoyer@att.net	Date: 4/14/2006
Subject: Re: Accessory speed control-overheating
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40005	From: Bill Porter	Date: 4/14/2006
Subject: Re: Accessory speed control-overheating
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40006	From: romoyer@att.net	Date: 4/14/2006
Subject: Another Paint Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40007	From: lember2004	Date: 4/14/2006
Subject: Re: Accessory speed control-overheating
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40008	From: hspanier2000	Date: 4/14/2006
Subject: The ORIGINAL Marx Show & Tell at York
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40009	From: Rick Evans	Date: 4/14/2006
Subject: On30--AF--SHS Stock Cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40010	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 4/14/2006
Subject: Re: Accessory speed control-overheating
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40011	From: trzp1800	Date: 4/15/2006
Subject: Re: Accessory speed control-overheating
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40012	From: knockbill	Date: 4/15/2006
Subject: 20207 set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40013	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 4/15/2006
Subject: Re: On30--AF--SHS Stock Cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40014	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 4/15/2006
Subject: Re: Accessory speed control-overheating
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40015	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 4/15/2006
Subject: Re: Accessory speed control-overheating
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40016	From: Gerald Dobbs	Date: 4/15/2006
Subject: Accessory speed control-overheating
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40017	From: Bill Porter	Date: 4/15/2006
Subject: Re: Accessory speed control-overheating
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40018	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 4/15/2006
Subject: Re: Another Paint Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40019	From: George Cohn	Date: 4/15/2006
Subject: Re: Accessory speed control-overheating
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40020	From: Mike Rosz	Date: 4/15/2006
Subject: any clubs in the area ?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40021	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 4/15/2006
Subject: The Late Randy Sappo's Structures.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40022	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 4/15/2006
Subject: Re: Flashing Lights Bell Ringing Crossing Signal 759
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40023	From: Phil K	Date: 4/15/2006
Subject: Vote for the "Train Quarter"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40024	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 4/15/2006
Subject: Lueck 8x8 Layout Progress
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40025	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 4/15/2006
Subject: Sunday Chat, 4/16/2006, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40026	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 4/15/2006
Subject: FLYER HELP
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40027	From: paflyrman	Date: 4/15/2006
Subject: 760 Automatic Highway Flasher Crossbuck Relettering
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40028	From: Rick Evans	Date: 4/15/2006
Subject: Re: Lueck 8x8 Layout Progress
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40029	From: Gary Chidester	Date: 4/15/2006
Subject: Re: Vote for the "Train Quarter"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40030	From: Roy Inman	Date: 4/15/2006
Subject: Re: 760 Automatic Highway Flasher Crossbuck Relettering
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40031	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 4/16/2006
Subject: Tim Brown -> Re: Keep practicing!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40032	From: mlmarmer	Date: 4/16/2006
Subject: Re: Tim Brown -> Re: Keep practicing!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40033	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 4/16/2006
Subject: Sunday Chat, 4/16/2006, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40034	From: George Cohn	Date: 4/16/2006
Subject: Re: Flashing Lights Bell Ringing Crossing Signal 759
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40036	From: Doug Peck	Date: 4/16/2006
Subject: Re: 760 Automatic Highway Flasher Crossbuck Relettering
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40037	From: George Cohn	Date: 4/16/2006
Subject: Re: Flashing Lights Bell Ringing Crossing Signal 759
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40038	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 4/16/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 3028
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40039	From: femiro2002@yahoo.com	Date: 4/17/2006
Subject: 2900 in PROTO kit form ??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40040	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 4/17/2006
Subject: It's the Law!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40041	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 4/17/2006
Subject: Saturday Night Trivia Contest
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40042	From: nsupbnsf@juno.com	Date: 4/17/2006
Subject: Slowing Down Accessories
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40043	From: femiro2002@yahoo.com	Date: 4/17/2006
Subject: 2926
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40044	From: Donald Munsey Jr.	Date: 4/17/2006
Subject: Need Tomalco Sand Dome
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40045	From: burkhardt1938	Date: 4/17/2006
Subject: American Flyer Reverse Loop Kit 695
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40046	From: WMFADAMSNY@frontiernet.net	Date: 4/17/2006
Subject: another wiring question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40047	From: keefer1	Date: 4/17/2006
Subject: new paint
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40048	From: romoyer@att.net	Date: 4/17/2006
Subject: Re: another wiring question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40049	From: David Dewey	Date: 4/17/2006
Subject: Hi to all my Chat friends--I really am sick!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40050	From: John G	Date: 4/17/2006
Subject: Re: Slowing Down Accessories
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40051	From: Rick Evans	Date: 4/18/2006
Subject: Re: Hi to all my Chat friends--I really am sick!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40052	From: Robert Graves	Date: 4/18/2006
Subject: Re: Lueck 8x8 Layout Progress
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40053	From: paflyrman	Date: 4/18/2006
Subject: 752A Coaler Wiring Diagram
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40054	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 4/18/2006
Subject: Re: Saturday Night Trivia Contest
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40055	From: waldootten	Date: 4/18/2006
Subject: New Rockwell command system simpler than TMCC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40056	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 4/18/2006
Subject: Re: New Rockwell command system simpler than TMCC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40057	From: Roy Inman	Date: 4/18/2006
Subject: Re: New Rockwell command system simpler than TMCC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40058	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 4/18/2006
Subject: Re: New Rockwell command system simpler than TMCC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40059	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 4/18/2006
Subject: Re: New Rockwell command system simpler than TMCC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40060	From: muniman18	Date: 4/18/2006
Subject: rockwell
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40061	From: wd511	Date: 4/18/2006
Subject: dust
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40062	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 4/18/2006
Subject: Re; New Rockwell command, etc,etc.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40063	From: rkuepper	Date: 4/18/2006
Subject: Re: Re; New Rockwell command, etc,etc.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40064	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 4/18/2006
Subject: Re: New Rockwell command system simpler than TMCC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40065	From: Robert E. Yablonski	Date: 4/18/2006
Subject: Handlaid track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40066	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 4/18/2006
Subject: Re: dust
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40067	From: rkuepper	Date: 4/18/2006
Subject: Re: dust
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40068	From: manderman	Date: 4/18/2006
Subject: Re: New Rockwell command system simpler than TMCC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40069	From: David Dewey	Date: 4/18/2006
Subject: Bumper Lighting & Lueck 8x8 Layout Progress
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40070	From: Roy Inman	Date: 4/18/2006
Subject: Mikado coupler change
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40071	From: Rick Evans	Date: 4/18/2006
Subject: Fw: [S-Trains] Bumper Lighting & Lueck 8x8 Layout Progress
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40072	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 4/19/2006
Subject: Re: Bumper Lighting & Lueck 8x8 Layout Progress
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40073	From: don@showcaseline.com	Date: 4/19/2006
Subject: Re: SHS 2-8-0 rear KD style coupler
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40074	From: Bill Clark	Date: 4/19/2006
Subject: Re: SHS Consolidation coupler change
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40075	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 4/19/2006
Subject: YORK THIS YEAR
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40076	From: Roy Inman	Date: 4/19/2006
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Re: SHS 2-8-0 rear KD style coupler
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40077	From: Roy Inman	Date: 4/19/2006
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Mikado coupler change
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40078	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 4/19/2006
Subject: Tom Jarcho Folded Figure Eight Track Plans Back Online
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40079	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 4/19/2006
Subject: ROYAL GORGE & THE D&RG
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40080	From: Robert Graves	Date: 4/19/2006
Subject: Re: ROYAL GORGE & THE D&RG
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40081	From: Frank Bernard	Date: 4/19/2006
Subject: Commercial : New S Scale Tom Yorke Kit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40082	From: manderman	Date: 4/19/2006
Subject: Re: ROYAL GORGE & THE D&RG
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40083	From: Phil K	Date: 4/19/2006
Subject: Lift bridge how-to with photos finished
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40084	From: Roy Inman	Date: 4/19/2006
Subject: Re: Lift bridge how-to with photos finished
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40085	From: Phil K	Date: 4/19/2006
Subject: Re: Lift bridge how-to with photos finished
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40086	From: Velapoldi	Date: 4/20/2006
Subject: Re: ROYAL GORGE & THE D&RG
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40087	From: T Larson	Date: 4/20/2006
Subject: JL
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40088	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 4/20/2006
Subject: Sad Note
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40089	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 4/20/2006
Subject: Digest Number 4128, Yorkin'
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40090	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 4/20/2006
Subject: Re: Sad Note
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40091	From: George Cohn	Date: 4/20/2006
Subject: Re: Sad Note
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40092	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 4/20/2006
Subject: Really Sad News
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40094	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 4/21/2006
Subject: York
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40095	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 4/21/2006
Subject: Re: YORK Activities
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40096	From: NASG Library	Date: 4/21/2006
Subject: S scale station wagons
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40097	From: rkuepper	Date: 4/21/2006
Subject: Re: YORK Activities
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40098	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 4/21/2006
Subject: BETH> DOCKSIDER
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40099	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 4/21/2006
Subject: Yorkin' again
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40100	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 4/21/2006
Subject: Re: York
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40101	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 4/22/2006
Subject: York
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40102	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 4/22/2006
Subject: Re: York
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40103	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 4/22/2006
Subject: Yorkin' again, the final day
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40104	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 4/22/2006
Subject: York and 663's
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40105	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 4/22/2006
Subject: Sunday Chat, 4/23/2006, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40106	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 4/22/2006
Subject: Robert Tufts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40107	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 4/22/2006
Subject: Re: Robert Tufts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40108	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 4/22/2006
Subject: Re: ROYAL GORGE & THE D&RG
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40109	From: Robert Graves	Date: 4/22/2006
Subject: Re: Robert Tufts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40110	From: Phil K	Date: 4/22/2006
Subject: What to do if you make too much money
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40111	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 4/23/2006
Subject: Re: Really Sad News -- Digest Number 3031
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40112	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 4/23/2006
Subject: Re;What to do if you make too much money
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40113	From: Keith Blanchard	Date: 4/23/2006
Subject: Re: What to do if you make too much money
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40114	From: kenwoodies1	Date: 4/23/2006
Subject: Re: What to do if you make too much money
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40115	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 4/23/2006
Subject: Interesting morning
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40116	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 4/23/2006
Subject: Re: Re;What to do if you make too much money
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40117	From: Bill Lane	Date: 4/23/2006
Subject: S Scale BF16 Sharks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40118	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 4/23/2006
Subject: Sunday Chat, 4/23/2006, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40119	From: beebear	Date: 4/23/2006
Subject: Track and switches for sale or trade
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40120	From: Roy Inman	Date: 4/23/2006
Subject: AM coupler changeout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40121	From: Phil K	Date: 4/23/2006
Subject: Photos of UP "Pony Express" in Chicago
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40122	From: keefer1	Date: 4/24/2006
Subject: FOR SALE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40123	From: beebear	Date: 4/24/2006
Subject: Track and switches for sale or trade
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40124	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 4/24/2006
Subject: Re: Photos of UP "Pony Express" in Chicago
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40125	From: Roy Inman	Date: 4/24/2006
Subject: Re: Track and switches for sale or trade II
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40126	From: Doug	Date: 4/24/2006
Subject: Auction House
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40127	From: Roy Inman	Date: 4/24/2006
Subject: Older NASG car, or maybe S-Fest?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40128	From: Phil K	Date: 4/24/2006
Subject: Shopping list
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40129	From: Robert A Persing	Date: 4/24/2006
Subject: Re: Auction House
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40130	From: Victor Bereskin	Date: 4/24/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 3034
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40131	From: DougK	Date: 4/24/2006
Subject: Re: Auction House
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40132	From: Robert Graves	Date: 4/24/2006
Subject: Re: Shopping list
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40133	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 4/24/2006
Subject: FRANKLIN DOCKSIDER SMOKE PISTON
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40134	From: tomminil@aol.com	Date: 4/25/2006
Subject: Re: FRANKLIN DOCKSIDER SMOKE PISTON
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40135	From: Robert Graves	Date: 4/25/2006
Subject: Tom Jarco's folded figure-8s got me going
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40136	From: Phil K	Date: 4/25/2006
Subject: K-Line announcement from Jerry Calabrese & commentary
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40137	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 4/25/2006
Subject: S Spree Display Layout Photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40138	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 4/25/2006
Subject: My York Experience
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40139	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 4/25/2006
Subject: LOOKING FOR JAY MELLON
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40140	From: beebear	Date: 4/25/2006
Subject: AF Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40141	From: Rhett George	Date: 4/26/2006
Subject: American Flyer Reverse Loop Kit 695
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40142	From: Donald Munsey Jr.	Date: 4/26/2006
Subject: TOC loco opportunity from the On30 world
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40143	From: Dick	Date: 4/26/2006
Subject: Re: S Spree Display Layout Photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40144	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 4/26/2006
Subject: Fw: instruction sheet
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40145	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 4/26/2006
Subject: York additions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40146	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 4/26/2006
Subject: Re: Fw: Yellow color
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40147	From: daysend40	Date: 4/26/2006
Subject: Flyionel Dockside Switcher
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40148	From: RCESpeak	Date: 4/26/2006
Subject: York Report
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40149	From: Phil K	Date: 4/26/2006
Subject: Prague tram derailment video
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40150	From: Bill Clark	Date: 4/27/2006
Subject: Re: Flyionel Dockside Switcher
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40151	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 4/27/2006
Subject: Obituary for Bob Tufts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40152	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 4/27/2006
Subject: Re: York Report
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40153	From: Rhett George	Date: 4/27/2006
Subject: Connections for the Wye
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40154	From: Art Shifrin	Date: 4/27/2006
Subject: Testing AF O gauge 688 remote control switchtracks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40155	From: David Dewey	Date: 4/27/2006
Subject: Bob Tufts Memorial Book
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40156	From: Phil K	Date: 4/27/2006
Subject: Northern
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40157	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 4/28/2006
Subject: 2006 Spring S Spree, 5/5/2006, 10:00 am
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40158	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 4/28/2006
Subject: Re: Bob Conner whereabouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40159	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 4/28/2006
Subject: Re: Northern
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40160	From: Clay Buckage	Date: 4/28/2006
Subject: Clem's update on Services for Bob Tufts from the TTML
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40161	From: John Foley	Date: 4/28/2006
Subject: AF layout photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40162	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 4/28/2006
Subject: Re: Bob Conner whereabouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40163	From: lember2004	Date: 4/28/2006
Subject: Re: Bob Tufts Memorial Book
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40164	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 4/28/2006
Subject: Bob Tufts Guestbook
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40165	From: beebear	Date: 4/28/2006
Subject: Have you seen this book
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40166	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 4/29/2006
Subject: 2006 Spring S Spree, 5/6/2006, 9:30 am
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40167	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 4/29/2006
Subject: Re;Have you seen this book?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40168	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 4/29/2006
Subject: Re: Have you seen this book
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40169	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 4/29/2006
Subject: reminder
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40170	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 4/29/2006
Subject: Re: reminder
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40171	From: Roy Inman	Date: 4/29/2006
Subject: Re: Re;Have you seen this book?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40172	From: Roy Inman	Date: 4/29/2006
Subject: Re: Have you seen this book
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40173	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 4/29/2006
Subject: Re: reminder
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40174	From: beebear	Date: 4/29/2006
Subject: Re: Re;Have you seen this book?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40175	From: Jim Armstrong	Date: 4/29/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 3037
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40176	From: RCESpeak	Date: 4/29/2006
Subject: York Photos Posted
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40177	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 4/29/2006
Subject: Sunday Chat, 4/30/2006, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40178	From: Robert E. Yablonski	Date: 4/29/2006
Subject: Hand Laying track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40179	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 4/29/2006
Subject: Re: York Photos Posted
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40180	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 4/29/2006
Subject: Re: York Photos Posted
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40181	From: Trains	Date: 4/29/2006
Subject: Looking for following S items
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40182	From: hspanier2000	Date: 4/30/2006
Subject: Lionel_SuperO_Track Yahoo Group
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40184	From: paflyrman	Date: 4/30/2006
Subject: York Item question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40185	From: beebear	Date: 4/30/2006
Subject: Last bunch of track for sale or trade
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40186	From: Scott Holm	Date: 4/30/2006
Subject: Re: Who Has Stationary Rollers?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40187	From: donabrams@comcast.net	Date: 4/30/2006
Subject: Mikado Repair
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40188	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 4/30/2006
Subject: Re: York Item question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40189	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 4/30/2006
Subject: Sunday Chat, 4/30/2006, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40190	From: Bill	Date: 4/30/2006
Subject: NASG DISPATCH
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40191	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 5/1/2006
Subject: Trainy weekend
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40192	From: Robert Graves	Date: 5/1/2006
Subject: Docksiders join The Gilbert Gallery
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40193	From: frank emiro	Date: 5/1/2006
Subject: UP FEF # 844
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40194	From: clayk@lonestartrains.com	Date: 5/1/2006
Subject: 24067 Keystone Line boxcar
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40195	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 5/2/2006
Subject: Re: 24067 Keystone Line boxcar
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40196	From: myflyertrains	Date: 5/2/2006
Subject: 100 Photos of the Gilbert Get Together Online for viewing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40197	From: jt12313	Date: 5/2/2006
Subject: flyer/flyonel diesel wheels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40198	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 5/2/2006
Subject: Arlington Burials May 2
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40199	From: Daryl Olszeski	Date: 5/2/2006
Subject: Accessory Buttons
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40200	From: Clay Buckage	Date: 5/2/2006
Subject: Re: 24067 Keystone Line boxcar
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40201	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 5/2/2006
Subject: Repaint Repros Website
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40202	From: Bill Porter	Date: 5/2/2006
Subject: Speed Control
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40203	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 5/2/2006
Subject: Re: flyer/flyonel diesel wheels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40204	From: Robert Graves	Date: 5/2/2006
Subject: Re: Docksider
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40205	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 5/2/2006
Subject: Spring S-Spree
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40206	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 5/2/2006
Subject: Re: flyer/flyonel diesel wheels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40207	From: Phil K	Date: 5/2/2006
Subject: Good grades
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40208	From: beebear	Date: 5/2/2006
Subject: Switches for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40209	From: Michael T Kolosseus	Date: 5/2/2006
Subject: AF trains for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40210	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 5/2/2006
Subject: Robert J. Tufts Funeral
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40211	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 5/2/2006
Subject: Re;Good grades
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40212	From: nyc17819@aol.com	Date: 5/2/2006
Subject: Realistic Track Systems
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40213	From: Phil K	Date: 5/2/2006
Subject: Good grades, Part II
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40214	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 5/3/2006
Subject: AF 425
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40215	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 5/3/2006
Subject: Re: Realistic Track Systems
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40216	From: Gerald Dobbs	Date: 5/3/2006
Subject: Subject: Mikado Repair
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40217	From: daysend40	Date: 5/3/2006
Subject: Reading RR Decals
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40218	From: Randall L. Griggs	Date: 5/3/2006
Subject: ERTL "Farm Country" GP-35 converted to Chessie 'S' 'high-rail' dummy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40219	From: boblines51	Date: 5/3/2006
Subject: scratch builders
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40220	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 5/3/2006
Subject: Re: ERTL "Farm Country" GP-35 converted to Chessie 'S' 'high-rail'
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40221	From: Doug Peck	Date: 5/3/2006
Subject: Re: AF 425
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40222	From: Bill Porter	Date: 5/4/2006
Subject: Train Show Story
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40223	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 5/4/2006
Subject: 2006 Spring S Spree, 5/5/2006, 10:00 am
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40224	From: Allan V Eisenhaur	Date: 5/4/2006
Subject: AF-X1989-Tool-Car-NIB
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40225	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 5/4/2006
Subject: Re: Lionel Northern 6-48047
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40226	From: boblines51	Date: 5/4/2006
Subject: Scrach builders
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40227	From: Phil K	Date: 5/4/2006
Subject: Another great Dispatch!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40228	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 5/5/2006
Subject: 2006 Spring S Spree, 5/6/2006, 9:30 am
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40229	From: yorktown26	Date: 5/5/2006
Subject: Re: Another great Dispatch!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40230	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 5/6/2006
Subject: Flyer Fest West, 5/20/2006, 10:00 am
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40231	From: Ernest Mendecke	Date: 5/6/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 3044
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40232	From: Robert Graves	Date: 5/6/2006
Subject: "Rarity Repaints" are marked with a TCA sticker
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40233	From: Phil K	Date: 5/6/2006
Subject: Posts missing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40234	From: Ed Eckert	Date: 5/6/2006
Subject: Update on Flyer Fest West
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40235	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 5/6/2006
Subject: Sunday Chat, 5/7/2006, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40236	From: WMFADAMSNY@frontiernet.net	Date: 5/6/2006
Subject: Trestle & Abutment Set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40237	From: Al Baker	Date: 5/6/2006
Subject: DC 332 Value?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40238	From: Al Baker	Date: 5/7/2006
Subject: Armatures: DC same as AC ????
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40239	From: Larry Moore	Date: 5/7/2006
Subject: Re: DC 332 Value?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40240	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 5/7/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 3045 -- DC Northern?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40241	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 5/7/2006
Subject: Sunday Chat, 5/7/2006, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40242	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 5/7/2006
Subject: 335 DC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40243	From: Gerald Dobbs	Date: 5/7/2006
Subject: (no subject)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40244	From: Joseph Haughney	Date: 5/7/2006
Subject: Design Packages
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40245	From: NASG Library	Date: 5/7/2006
Subject: NASG/Palace Car Co. Pasenger-Car Seats -- AGood news, bad news
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40246	From: Brigadier Scottish Shop Beechworth	Date: 5/7/2006
Subject: Train Shows
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40247	From: Roy Inman	Date: 5/8/2006
Subject: Re: Train Shows
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40248	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 5/8/2006
Subject: Re;Train Shows
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40249	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 5/8/2006
Subject: S'Spree 2006
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40250	From: lember2004	Date: 5/8/2006
Subject: Re: Design Packages
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40251	From: Bill Porter	Date: 5/8/2006
Subject: Re: Train Shows
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40252	From: beebear	Date: 5/8/2006
Subject: Switches
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40253	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 5/8/2006
Subject: Footprint Gravley Building by Bar Mills
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40254	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 5/8/2006
Subject: Design help needed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40255	From: Roy Inman	Date: 5/8/2006
Subject: For Dick Karnes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40256	From: Keith Blanchard	Date: 5/8/2006
Subject: Machine Shop Advert
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40257	From: Robert A Persing	Date: 5/8/2006
Subject: Re: Train Shows
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40258	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 5/8/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 3046 - 332DC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40259	From: Al	Date: 5/8/2006
Subject: S-gauge cars and figures
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40260	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 5/8/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 3046 - 332DC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40261	From: Doug Peck	Date: 5/8/2006
Subject: Bubble Wrap---BAD idea!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40262	From: Roy Inman	Date: 5/8/2006
Subject: AF, LAF coupler change
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40263	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 5/8/2006
Subject: Re: S'Spree 2006
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40264	From: nyc17819@aol.com	Date: 5/8/2006
Subject: Track Design Geometry
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40265	From: trainman634	Date: 5/8/2006
Subject: Freight Cars in Plastic Bags
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40266	From: Randall L. Griggs	Date: 5/9/2006
Subject: 'S' U-18 from Durham Industries battery powered train set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40267	From: charlie and edith	Date: 5/9/2006
Subject: Circus Flatcar Paint
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40268	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 5/9/2006
Subject: Re: Freight Cars in Plastic Bags
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40269	From: Jenni Sipla	Date: 5/9/2006
Subject: Re: Train Shows
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40270	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 5/9/2006
Subject: AF Northern Shipping Date Changed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40271	From: Mark Preman	Date: 5/9/2006
Subject: American Flyer Trains For Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40272	From: Don Thompson	Date: 5/9/2006
Subject: Re: Freight Cars in Plastic Bags
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40273	From: femiro2002@yahoo.com	Date: 5/9/2006
Subject: LIONEL UP 4 8 4
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40274	From: Knight, Gene	Date: 5/9/2006
Subject: Re: AF Northern Shipping Date Changed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40275	From: nsupbnsf@juno.com	Date: 5/9/2006
Subject: Transporting Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40276	From: faltrain5	Date: 5/9/2006
Subject: Hey guys! Just Got a General Question on the 633 B/O Car.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40277	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 5/9/2006
Subject: Re: Hey guys! Just Got a General Question on the 633 B/O Car.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40278	From: Robert Graves	Date: 5/9/2006
Subject: Re: Hey guys! Just Got a General Question on the 633 B/O Car.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40279	From: Roger Delthony	Date: 5/9/2006
Subject: Re: Transporting Trains to Shows
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40280	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 5/10/2006
Subject: Re: Track Design Geometry
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40281	From: John Gibson	Date: 5/10/2006
Subject: Re: Design Packages
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40282	From: Larry Moore	Date: 5/10/2006
Subject: Set K5206W
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40283	From: Joseph Haughney	Date: 5/10/2006
Subject: Thanks for the info.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40284	From: Ed	Date: 5/10/2006
Subject: Re: Set K5206W
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40285	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 5/10/2006
Subject: CN Reefer EBAY listing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40286	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 5/10/2006
Subject: Western MD Rail Trail
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40287	From: Larry Moore	Date: 5/10/2006
Subject: Re: Set K5206W
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40288	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 5/11/2006
Subject: Re: Set K5206W
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40289	From: Eric Child	Date: 5/11/2006
Subject: TMCC Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40290	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 5/11/2006
Subject: Re: TMCC Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40291	From: Roy Inman	Date: 5/11/2006
Subject: S speeder?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40292	From: Velapoldi	Date: 5/11/2006
Subject: AM
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40293	From: John Foley	Date: 5/11/2006
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} S speeder?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40294	From: NASG Library	Date: 5/11/2006
Subject: Palace Car Co. coach seat package price
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40295	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 5/11/2006
Subject: Re: [toytrains] Western MD Rail Trail
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40296	From: Steve	Date: 5/11/2006
Subject: Double reverse loop
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40297	From: ruth.leahy@colorado.edu	Date: 5/12/2006
Subject: "B" unit problems
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40298	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 5/12/2006
Subject: York Fairgrounds This Weekend
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40299	From: Velapoldi	Date: 5/13/2006
Subject: AM4-8-4
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40300	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 5/13/2006
Subject: Flyer Fest West, 5/20/2006, 10:00 am
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40301	From: Phil K	Date: 5/13/2006
Subject: Re: AM4-8-4
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40302	From: joan dienst	Date: 5/13/2006
Subject: Gilbert H O question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40303	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 5/13/2006
Subject: Correction!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40304	From: Roy Inman	Date: 5/13/2006
Subject: Re: AM4-8-4
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40305	From: Roy Inman	Date: 5/13/2006
Subject: Re: AM4-8-4
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40306	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 5/13/2006
Subject: Western MD Rail Trail
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40307	From: FEZANDPAZ@aol.com	Date: 5/13/2006
Subject: Re: AM4-8-4
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40308	From: FEZANDPAZ@aol.com	Date: 5/13/2006
Subject: Re: York Fairgrounds This Weekend
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40309	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 5/13/2006
Subject: Sunday Chat, 5/14/2006, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40310	From: Phil K	Date: 5/13/2006
Subject: Re: AM 4-8-4
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40311	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 5/13/2006
Subject: Re: Western MD Rail Trail
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40312	From: Roy Inman	Date: 5/13/2006
Subject: Re: Western MD Rail Trail
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40313	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 5/13/2006
Subject: Re: Western MD Rail Trail
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40314	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 5/13/2006
Subject: LIONEL ALTON SET
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40315	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 5/13/2006
Subject: Re: AM 4-8-4
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40317	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 5/14/2006
Subject: Sunday Chat, 5/14/2006, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40318	From: jayhoo64	Date: 5/14/2006
Subject: AM Chugger
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40319	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 5/14/2006
Subject: Re: AM 4-8-4
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40320	From: Bill Clark	Date: 5/14/2006
Subject: SHS Internet Specials
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40321	From: Gerald Dobbs	Date: 5/14/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 3052
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40322	From: faltrain5	Date: 5/14/2006
Subject: Any ideas for what to make?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40323	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 5/14/2006
Subject: Photo Gallery Restored
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40324	From: David Cooke	Date: 5/14/2006
Subject: Can the persom who bought my Freight cars and SW 9 contact me
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40325	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 5/14/2006
Subject: Re: Western MD Rail Trail
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40326	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 5/14/2006
Subject: Re: Western MD Rail Trail
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40327	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 5/14/2006
Subject: Re: Any ideas for what to make?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40328	From: Roy Inman	Date: 5/14/2006
Subject: Re: Any ideas for what to make?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40329	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 5/14/2006
Subject: Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40330	From: Rick Evans	Date: 5/14/2006
Subject: Western MD Rail Trail
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40331	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 5/14/2006
Subject: Re: Western MD Rail Trail
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40332	From: nyc17819@aol.com	Date: 5/14/2006
Subject: Gilbert HO AC 4-6-4
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40333	From: Roy Inman	Date: 5/14/2006
Subject: Re: Western MD Rail Trail
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40334	From: Robert Graves	Date: 5/15/2006
Subject: Lots of progress at The Gilbert Gallery
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40335	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 5/15/2006
Subject: Re: Group Discussion
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40336	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 5/15/2006
Subject: Re: Gilbert H O question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40337	From: Gerald Dobbs	Date: 5/15/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 3053
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40338	From: Velapoldi	Date: 5/15/2006
Subject: Re: AM4-8-4 PS:
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40339	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 5/15/2006
Subject: Re: Lots of progress at The Gilbert Gallery
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40340	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 5/15/2006
Subject: Re: Gilbert H O question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40341	From: Alan Evans	Date: 5/15/2006
Subject: Calling for Hi Rail Modules in 2007
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40342	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 5/15/2006
Subject: Where trains USED to be sold
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40343	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 5/15/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 3053
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40344	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 5/15/2006
Subject: Re: Where trains USED to be sold
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40345	From: keefer1	Date: 5/15/2006
Subject: Re: Where trains USED to be sold
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40346	From: therealfez2000	Date: 5/15/2006
Subject: Keswick Cycle Shop & Whizzer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40347	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 5/15/2006
Subject: Nova Scotia
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40348	From: Ed	Date: 5/15/2006
Subject: Re: Where trains USED to be sold
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40349	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 5/15/2006
Subject: Email to bull gator the last few days
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40350	From: Joseph Haughney	Date: 5/15/2006
Subject: Re: Keswick Cycle Shop & Whizzer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40351	From: Robert Graves	Date: 5/15/2006
Subject: Re: Lots of progress at The Gilbert Gallery
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40352	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 5/15/2006
Subject: AF Service
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40353	From: winchester54947	Date: 5/16/2006
Subject: Re: RailTrail
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40354	From: geep39	Date: 5/16/2006
Subject: Keswick Cycle Shop--Me Too!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40355	From: Roy Plotnick	Date: 5/16/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 3054
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40356	From: RCESpeak	Date: 5/16/2006
Subject: Re: Keswick Cycle Shop & Whizzer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40357	From: geep39	Date: 5/16/2006
Subject: Where Trains Used To Be Sold --Philadelphia
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40358	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 5/16/2006
Subject: WHERE TRAINS WERE SOLD
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40359	From: Velapoldi	Date: 5/16/2006
Subject: e-mails
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40360	From: jnr59@aol.com	Date: 5/16/2006
Subject: One more item for trade
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40361	From: Bill Lane	Date: 5/16/2006
Subject: The Keystone Modeler
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40362	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 5/16/2006
Subject: Re: WHERE TRAINS WERE SOLD
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40363	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 5/16/2006
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] Where Trains Used To Be Sold --Philadelphia
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40364	From: John Foley	Date: 5/16/2006
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Memory help-S accessories
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40365	From: Roy Inman	Date: 5/16/2006
Subject: Memory help-S accessories
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40366	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 5/16/2006
Subject: WAY OFF TOPIC......WAY OFF
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40367	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 5/16/2006
Subject: Emailing: www.railcatsbaseball.com
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40368	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 5/16/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 3054
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40369	From: jnr59@aol.com	Date: 5/16/2006
Subject: SHS freight cars for trade, need SHS B&O freight cars and caboose i
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40370	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 5/16/2006
Subject: TRAINS IN BASEBALL
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40371	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 5/16/2006
Subject: My New Engine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40372	From: Bill Adams	Date: 5/16/2006
Subject: A Belated Thanks!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40373	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 5/16/2006
Subject: Re: e-mails
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40374	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 5/16/2006
Subject: Re: TRAINS IN BASEBALL
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40375	From: FEZANDPAZ@aol.com	Date: 5/16/2006
Subject: Re: Keswick Cycle Shop--Me Too!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40376	From: FEZANDPAZ@aol.com	Date: 5/16/2006
Subject: Re: Keswick Cycle Shop
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40377	From: Roy Inman	Date: 5/16/2006
Subject: Re: Where Trains Used To Be Sold --Philadelphia
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40378	From: Roy Inman	Date: 5/16/2006
Subject: Praise for the lists
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40379	From: keefer1	Date: 5/16/2006
Subject: FOR SALE 740A HANDCAR
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40380	From: Phil K	Date: 5/16/2006
Subject: Re: Emailing: www.railcatsbaseball.com
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40381	From: boblines51	Date: 5/17/2006
Subject: Where trains were sold
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40382	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 5/17/2006
Subject: Re: Where Trains Used To Be Sold --Philadelphia
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40383	From: ruth.leahy@colorado.edu	Date: 5/17/2006
Subject: Golds Department Store
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40384	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 5/17/2006
Subject: Re: Fwd: [S-Trains] Where Trains Used To Be Sold --Philadelphia
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40385	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 5/17/2006
Subject: Re: Keswick Cycle Shop--Me Too!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40386	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 5/17/2006
Subject: CLOSED FROG SWITCH
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40387	From: frank emiro	Date: 5/17/2006
Subject: Re: Where trains were sold
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40388	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 5/17/2006
Subject: Re: Keswick Cycle Shop--Me Too!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40389	From: Robert Graves	Date: 5/17/2006
Subject: Re: Lots of progress at The Gilbert Gallery
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40390	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 5/17/2006
Subject: Re: Keswick Cycle Shop--Me Too!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40391	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 5/17/2006
Subject: Re: WAY OFF TOPIC - NO - R. A. Conner!!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40392	From: Roy Inman	Date: 5/17/2006
Subject: For Dick Karnes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40393	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 5/17/2006
Subject: MEMORIES
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40394	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 5/17/2006
Subject: Keswick Cycle Shop
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40395	From: paflyrman	Date: 5/17/2006
Subject: Ebay Long truck Pullman
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40396	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 5/17/2006
Subject: Re: Keswick Cycle Shop--Me Too!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40397	From: Phil K	Date: 5/17/2006
Subject: Re: Ebay Long truck Pullman
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40398	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 5/17/2006
Subject: Re: Ebay Long truck Pullman
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40399	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 5/17/2006
Subject: Re: Keswick Cycle Shop
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40400	From: Robert E. Yablonski	Date: 5/17/2006
Subject: AM Hudson
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40401	From: Victor Bereskin	Date: 5/17/2006
Subject: Where trains used to be sold - Cincinnati
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40402	From: reynoldsjmus	Date: 5/17/2006
Subject: where trains used to be sold- Philadelphia
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40403	From: G C	Date: 5/17/2006
Subject: Re: CLOSED FROG SWITCH
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40404	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 5/17/2006
Subject: Factory Repair List
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40405	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 5/17/2006
Subject: Re: Keswick Cycle Shop
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40406	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 5/17/2006
Subject: What happens when a business fails
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40407	From: James Hannawald	Date: 5/17/2006
Subject: Re: Keswick Cycle Shop
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40408	From: Robert Graves	Date: 5/17/2006
Subject: Re: Ebay Long truck Pullman
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40409	From: Plotnick, Roy E.	Date: 5/17/2006
Subject: In the good old Bronx
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40410	From: Velapoldi	Date: 5/18/2006
Subject: Re: where trains used to be sold - Greenwich/Stamford/Portchester
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40411	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 5/18/2006
Subject: Re;What happens when businesses fail
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40412	From: clayton deich	Date: 5/18/2006
Subject: Re: where trains used to be sold - Greenwich/Stamford/Portchester
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40413	From: Roy Inman	Date: 5/18/2006
Subject: Re: where trains used to be sold:Why?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40414	From: frank emiro	Date: 5/18/2006
Subject: Re: In the good old Bronx
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40415	From: John Foley	Date: 5/18/2006
Subject: Digitak
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40416	From: Robert Graves	Date: 5/18/2006
Subject: Re: Re;What happens when businesses fail
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40417	From: Joseph Haughney	Date: 5/18/2006
Subject: Re: where trains used to be sold:Why?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40418	From: djdewey@cncnet.com	Date: 5/18/2006
Subject: Re: Ebay Long truck Pullman
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40419	From: ee_train	Date: 5/18/2006
Subject: Midwest AF coverage
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40420	From: Phil K	Date: 5/18/2006
Subject: Re: where trains used to be sold:Why?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40421	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 5/18/2006
Subject: Re: Ebay Long truck Pullman
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40422	From: keefer1	Date: 5/18/2006
Subject: Re: Ebay Long truck Pullman
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40423	From: Gary Chidester	Date: 5/18/2006
Subject: I don't have to move!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40424	From: daysend40	Date: 5/18/2006
Subject: AF/Lionel 0-6-0
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40425	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 5/18/2006
Subject: AF List repair centers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40426	From: Ed Eckert	Date: 5/18/2006
Subject: Announcement !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40427	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 5/18/2006
Subject: Re: AF List repair centers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40428	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 5/18/2006
Subject: Re: where trains used to be sold:Why?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40429	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 5/18/2006
Subject: Re: where trains used to be sold:Why?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40430	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 5/18/2006
Subject: Re: where trains used to be sold:Why?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40431	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 5/18/2006
Subject: Re: AF List repair centers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40432	From: George Cohn	Date: 5/18/2006
Subject: Re: where trains used to be sold:Why?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40433	From: Robert Graves	Date: 5/18/2006
Subject: Re: Ebay Long truck Pullman
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40434	From: Don Thompson	Date: 5/18/2006
Subject: Re: where trains used to be sold:Why?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40435	From: Gale Hall	Date: 5/18/2006
Subject: Where trains were found
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40436	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 5/18/2006
Subject: Re: where trains used to be sold:Why?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40437	From: Bill Clark	Date: 5/18/2006
Subject: Re: AF/Lionel 0-6-0
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40438	From: Roy Inman	Date: 5/18/2006
Subject: Re: where trains used to be sold:Why?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40439	From: Rick Evans	Date: 5/19/2006
Subject: Top Ten List of Reasons Why American Flyer Wasn't Popular in the We
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40440	From: joan dienst	Date: 5/19/2006
Subject: Thank You
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40441	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 5/19/2006
Subject: American Flyer Presence
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40442	From: glenn_rhb	Date: 5/19/2006
Subject: Chatham Show - England that is - A bit of help please.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40443	From: frank emiro	Date: 5/19/2006
Subject: Re: where trains used to be sold:Why?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40444	From: Roy Inman	Date: 5/19/2006
Subject: Re: where trains used to be sold:Why?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40445	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 5/19/2006
Subject: "S" IN NEVADA
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40446	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 5/19/2006
Subject: Re: where trains used to be sold:Why?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40447	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 5/19/2006
Subject: Re: Re;What happens when businesses fail
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40448	From: Darrell Smith	Date: 5/19/2006
Subject: Looking for Frontiersman cars.....damaged
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40449	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 5/19/2006
Subject: Re: DOCKSIDE FOR SALE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40450	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 5/19/2006
Subject: AF List repair centers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40451	From: joan dienst	Date: 5/19/2006
Subject: Repairing a bent step
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40452	From: Steve & Cathy Pendleton	Date: 5/20/2006
Subject: The passing of an A. C. Gilbert employee
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40453	From: Darrell Smith	Date: 5/20/2006
Subject: Re: Looking for Frontiersman cars.....damaged
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40454	From: Dale Smith	Date: 5/20/2006
Subject: Re: "S" IN NEVADA
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40455	From: jjmemmer@aol.com	Date: 5/20/2006
Subject: Trains in Indy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40456	From: Sam and Judy Williamson	Date: 5/20/2006
Subject: Where AF was sold
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40457	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 5/20/2006
Subject: THE FUTURE OF TOY TRAINS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40458	From: paflyrman	Date: 5/20/2006
Subject: Richmond Train Stores
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40459	From: Phil K	Date: 5/20/2006
Subject: Fall S Fest Banquet speaker (Oh Boy! Trains!)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40460	From: Roy Inman	Date: 5/20/2006
Subject: Re: THE FUTURE OF TOY TRAINS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40461	From: rwbill@charter.net	Date: 5/20/2006
Subject: Re: Who sold it.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40462	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 5/20/2006
Subject: Sunday Chat, 5/21/2006, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40463	From: hellonc99	Date: 5/20/2006
Subject: Where Trains Used To Be Sold - Pittsburgh
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40464	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 5/20/2006
Subject: Re: Where Trains Used To Be Sold - Pittsburgh
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40465	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 5/20/2006
Subject: The Future of Toy Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40466	From: len_hall	Date: 5/20/2006
Subject: Since No One Makes Them.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40467	From: Brigadier Scottish Shop Beechworth	Date: 5/21/2006
Subject: Where Trains Used to Be
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40468	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 5/21/2006
Subject: Re: Since No One Makes Them.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40469	From: Roy Inman	Date: 5/21/2006
Subject: Re: The Future of Toy Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40470	From: Roy Inman	Date: 5/21/2006
Subject: Re: Since No One Makes Them.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40471	From: wc johnson	Date: 5/21/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 3054
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40472	From: wc johnson	Date: 5/21/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 3057
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40473	From: wc johnson	Date: 5/21/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 3054
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40474	From: Phil K	Date: 5/21/2006
Subject: Info on Fall S Fest
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40475	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 5/21/2006
Subject: Re;The Future of Toy Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40476	From: trzp1800	Date: 5/21/2006
Subject: Re: Re;The Future of Toy Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40477	From: George Cohn	Date: 5/21/2006
Subject: Re: Re;The Future of Toy Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40478	From: Rick Evans	Date: 5/21/2006
Subject: 7th Annual Flyer Fest West
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40479	From: g94a95	Date: 5/21/2006
Subject: Flyer Fest West
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40480	From: Gerald Dobbs	Date: 5/21/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 3062
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40481	From: Roy Inman	Date: 5/21/2006
Subject: Re: Re;The Future of Toy Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40482	From: beebear	Date: 5/21/2006
Subject: Track and Switches
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40483	From: Victor Bereskin	Date: 5/21/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 3062
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40484	From: Rick Evans	Date: 5/21/2006
Subject: #969 Rocket Launcher Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40485	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 5/21/2006
Subject: MRN S-Curves column
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40486	From: trzp1800	Date: 5/21/2006
Subject: Re: Re;The Future of Toy Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40487	From: trzp1800	Date: 5/21/2006
Subject: Re: #969 Rocket Launcher Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40488	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 5/21/2006
Subject: Sunday Chat, 5/21/2006, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40489	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 5/21/2006
Subject: Re: Re;The Future of Toy Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40490	From: Rick Evans	Date: 5/21/2006
Subject: Re: #969 Rocket Launcher Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40491	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 5/21/2006
Subject: Re: The passing of an A. C. Gilbert employee
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40492	From: Rick Evans	Date: 5/21/2006
Subject: Fw: [S-Trains] #969 Rocket Launcher Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40493	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 5/21/2006
Subject: Re: #969 Rocket Launcher Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40494	From: t.hawley	Date: 5/21/2006
Subject: American Models 4-8-4, was Re: [S-Trains] AM Hudson
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40495	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 5/21/2006
Subject: Re: Re;The Future of Toy Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40496	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 5/21/2006
Subject: Re: Since No One Makes Them.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40497	From: Don Thompson	Date: 5/22/2006
Subject: Re: American Models 4-8-4, was Re: [S-Trains] AM Hudson
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40498	From: SnSTrains@aol.com	Date: 5/22/2006
Subject: Flyer Fest West 2006
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40499	From: reynoldsjmus	Date: 5/22/2006
Subject: future of toy trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40500	From: louis glumac	Date: 5/22/2006
Subject: Re: #969 Rocket Launcher Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40501	From: Roy Inman	Date: 5/22/2006
Subject: Re: future of toy trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40502	From: Keith Blanchard	Date: 5/22/2006
Subject: Pine Canyon News Advert
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40503	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 5/22/2006
Subject: Re: CALENDARS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40504	From: Roy Inman	Date: 5/22/2006
Subject: Re: Software to make card stock building fronts ?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40505	From: NASG Library	Date: 5/22/2006
Subject: Re: AF whistle control for #314AW
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40506	From: SnSTrains@aol.com	Date: 5/22/2006
Subject: "S-Gauge Model Railroading" video series
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40507	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 5/22/2006
Subject: Re: AF whistle control for #314AW
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40508	From: race944t	Date: 5/22/2006
Subject: Re: The passing of an A. C. Gilbert employee
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40509	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 5/22/2006
Subject: Re: Software to make card stock building fronts ?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40510	From: Charles E. Smith	Date: 5/22/2006
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} S MOD
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40511	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 5/22/2006
Subject: Re;re;The Future of Toy Trains;S Gauge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40512	From: Darrell Smith	Date: 5/23/2006
Subject: Re: Software to make card stock building fronts ?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40513	From: Roy Inman	Date: 5/23/2006
Subject: Re: Re;re;The Future of Toy Trains;S Gauge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40514	From: hellonc99	Date: 5/23/2006
Subject: Re: Where Trains Used To Be Sold - Pittsburgh
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40515	From: David Dewey	Date: 5/23/2006
Subject: RE Future of Toy Trains & mechanical Knowledge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40516	From: Howard Sheffield	Date: 5/23/2006
Subject: Re: 7th Annual Flyer Fest West
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40517	From: Brigadier Scottish Shop	Date: 5/23/2006
Subject: Old Fashioned Rheostats
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40518	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 5/23/2006
Subject: Re: RE Future of Toy Trains & mechanical Knowledge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40519	From: Phil K	Date: 5/23/2006
Subject: Re: RE Future of Toy Trains & mechanical Knowledge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40520	From: Michael Stanton	Date: 5/23/2006
Subject: FFW 2006
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40521	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 5/23/2006
Subject: Re: RE Future of Toy Trains & mechanical Knowledge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40522	From: Alex Sibbald	Date: 5/23/2006
Subject: 2 rails
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40523	From: Roy Inman	Date: 5/23/2006
Subject: Re: 2 rails
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40524	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 5/23/2006
Subject: Re: Re;re;The Future of Toy Trains;S Gauge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40525	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 5/23/2006
Subject: Re;2 rails
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40526	From: T Larson	Date: 5/23/2006
Subject: White and Chev
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40527	From: frank emiro	Date: 5/23/2006
Subject: Re: White and Chev
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40528	From: Al Baker	Date: 5/24/2006
Subject: AF Steam Loco Axles ??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40529	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 5/24/2006
Subject: email
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40530	From: Randall L. Griggs	Date: 5/24/2006
Subject: Albums added to the "s-scale.org" GALLERY site
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40531	From: Dale Smith	Date: 5/24/2006
Subject: Re: Re;2 rails
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40532	From: Bill Frazier	Date: 5/24/2006
Subject: Re: Rheostats
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40533	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 5/24/2006
Subject: Re: The S-Helper Service B&O E-27CA Consolidation - A Review
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40534	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 5/24/2006
Subject: Modular with AF Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40535	From: RCESpeak	Date: 5/24/2006
Subject: Contact
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40536	From: Roy Inman	Date: 5/24/2006
Subject: Re: The S-Helper Service B&O E-27CA Consolidation - A Review II
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40537	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 5/24/2006
Subject: Re: The S-Helper Service B&O E-27CA Consolidation - A Review III
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40538	From: Victor Bereskin	Date: 5/24/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 3065
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40539	From: THOMAS E HILLERY	Date: 5/24/2006
Subject: Re: Tracks and Tires
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40540	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 5/24/2006
Subject: Re;re;re 2 rails
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40541	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 5/24/2006
Subject: Re;Modular with AF track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40542	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 5/24/2006
Subject: Re: THE FUTURE OF TOY TRAINS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40543	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 5/24/2006
Subject: Re: THE FUTURE OF TOY TRAINS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40544	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 5/24/2006
Subject: Beware of spammer!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40545	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 5/24/2006
Subject: First steam-power RR
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40546	From: keefer1	Date: 5/24/2006
Subject: Re: THE FUTURE OF TOY TRAINS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40547	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 5/24/2006
Subject: Re: THE FUTURE OF TOY TRAINS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40548	From: Steve	Date: 5/24/2006
Subject: Re: RE Future of Toy Trains & mechanical Knowledge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40549	From: Roy Inman	Date: 5/24/2006
Subject: Re: The S-Helper Service B&O E-27CA Consolidation - A Review III
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40550	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 5/24/2006
Subject: York, April
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40551	From: Don Thompson	Date: 5/25/2006
Subject: Re: AC Gilbert's S scale Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40552	From: Roy Inman	Date: 5/25/2006
Subject: Re: AC Gilbert's S scale Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40553	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 5/25/2006
Subject: real 3 rail?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40554	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 5/25/2006
Subject: Re: Re;Modular with AF track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40555	From: Jenni Sipla	Date: 5/25/2006
Subject: Re: Tracks and Tires
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40556	From: Jenni Sipla	Date: 5/25/2006
Subject: Re: RE Future of Toy Trains & mechanical Knowledge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40557	From: frank emiro	Date: 5/25/2006
Subject: Re: real 3 rail?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40558	From: Charles E. Smith	Date: 5/25/2006
Subject: Re: real 3 rail?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40559	From: Jenni Sipla	Date: 5/25/2006
Subject: Re: First steam-power RR
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40560	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 5/25/2006
Subject: Modular Specifications
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40561	From: frank emiro	Date: 5/25/2006
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] real 3 rail?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40562	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 5/25/2006
Subject: Re: REAL3 RAIL & Bridge Extra Rails
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40563	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 5/25/2006
Subject: Re: REAL3 RAIL & Bridge Extra Rails
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40564	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 5/26/2006
Subject: Re: Modular Specifications
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40565	From: David Dewey	Date: 5/26/2006
Subject: pull mor tires and quartering
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40566	From: whtrainman	Date: 5/26/2006
Subject: pull mor tires and quartering
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40567	From: Russ and Beth Rawling	Date: 5/26/2006
Subject: S in las Vegas
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40568	From: John Foley	Date: 5/26/2006
Subject: TCA & NMRA Coventions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40569	From: Phil K	Date: 5/26/2006
Subject: Fall S Fest full details now available
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40570	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 5/26/2006
Subject: Coolin' the train room
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40571	From: Dave Ganslein	Date: 5/26/2006
Subject: 364 Silver Painted B-Unit wanted
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40572	From: nyc17819@aol.com	Date: 5/26/2006
Subject: Real 3 rail track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40573	From: manderman	Date: 5/26/2006
Subject: 336 pilot wheels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40574	From: Jenni Sipla	Date: 5/27/2006
Subject: Re: 336 pilot wheels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40575	From: tomminil@aol.com	Date: 5/27/2006
Subject: Re: 336 pilot wheels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40576	From: Doug Peck	Date: 5/27/2006
Subject: K-Line track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40577	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 5/27/2006
Subject: Re: 336 pilot wheels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40578	From: reynoldsjmus	Date: 5/27/2006
Subject: potential roundhouse
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40579	From: Rick Evans	Date: 5/27/2006
Subject: Flyer Fest West photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40580	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 5/27/2006
Subject: Re,K-Line track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40581	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 5/27/2006
Subject: Re: Lionel S Gauge FASTRACK
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40582	From: frank emiro	Date: 5/27/2006
Subject: Re: Lionel S Gauge FASTRACK
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40583	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 5/27/2006
Subject: Re: Lionel S Gauge FASTRACK
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40584	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 5/27/2006
Subject: Sunday Chat, 5/28/2006, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40585	From: Scott Holm	Date: 5/27/2006
Subject: Re: 336 pilot wheels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40586	From: bobcom52	Date: 5/27/2006
Subject: mystery boxcar
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40587	From: Rick Evans	Date: 5/27/2006
Subject: Re: mystery boxcar
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40588	From: Phil K	Date: 5/28/2006
Subject: Re: Lionel S Gauge FASTRACK
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40589	From: Don Thompson	Date: 5/28/2006
Subject: Re: Lionel S Gauge FASTRACK
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40590	From: Roy Inman	Date: 5/28/2006
Subject: Re: Lionel S Gauge FASTRACK
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40591	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 5/28/2006
Subject: Re: Lionel S Gauge FASTRACK
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40592	From: Rick Evans	Date: 5/28/2006
Subject: 302 tender guts question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40593	From: bobcom52	Date: 5/28/2006
Subject: mystery boxcar solved
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40594	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 5/28/2006
Subject: Re: 302 tender guts question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40595	From: George Cohn	Date: 5/28/2006
Subject: Re: 302 tender guts question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40596	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 5/28/2006
Subject: American Hirail RDC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40597	From: Dave Ewing	Date: 5/28/2006
Subject: Smoke and sound
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40598	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 5/28/2006
Subject: Re: 302 tender guts question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40599	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 5/28/2006
Subject: Re;Lionels S Gauge Fastrack
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40600	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 5/28/2006
Subject: Sunday Chat, 5/28/2006, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40601	From: Roy Inman	Date: 5/28/2006
Subject: Re: Lionel S Gauge FASTRACK
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40602	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 5/28/2006
Subject: Re: S Gauge Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40603	From: Roy Inman	Date: 5/28/2006
Subject: FW: Interesting model building site
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40604	From: frank emiro	Date: 5/29/2006
Subject: Re: S Gauge Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40605	From: Gerry Evans dba Best of Show Model Build	Date: 5/29/2006
Subject: Fw: {S-Scale List} FW: Interesting model building site
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40606	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 5/29/2006
Subject: Re: S Gauge Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40607	From: Phil K	Date: 5/29/2006
Subject: Re: S Gauge Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40608	From: hgetrain	Date: 5/29/2006
Subject: Re: American Hirail RDC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40609	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 5/29/2006
Subject: Re; S Gauge Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40610	From: Roy Inman	Date: 5/29/2006
Subject: Re: Fw: {S-Scale List} FW: Interesting model building site
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40611	From: wyhog	Date: 5/29/2006
Subject: Re: Re;Lionels S Gauge Fastrack
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40612	From: George Cohn	Date: 5/29/2006
Subject: Re: S Gauge Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40613	From: frank emiro	Date: 5/29/2006
Subject: Re: S Gauge Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40614	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 5/29/2006
Subject: Re: S Gauge Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40615	From: George Cohn	Date: 5/29/2006
Subject: Re: Re; S Gauge Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40616	From: wyhog	Date: 5/29/2006
Subject: Re: Re; S Gauge Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40617	From: Phil K	Date: 5/29/2006
Subject: Re: S Gauge Track -- Four answers for the price of one
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40618	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 5/29/2006
Subject: * Fall S Fest 2006 in Chicago * Nov. 3-5, 2006 * , 5/30/2006, 12:00
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40619	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 5/30/2006
Subject: K-Line Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40620	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 5/30/2006
Subject: Re;re;re; S Gauge Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40621	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 5/30/2006
Subject: Re: S Gauge Track -- Four answers for the price of one
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40622	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 5/30/2006
Subject: USRA hb Waddell Coal hoppers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40623	From: Bill Clark	Date: 5/30/2006
Subject: Two new SHS Internet Specials
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40624	From: beebear	Date: 5/30/2006
Subject: Re: USRA hb Waddell Coal hoppers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40625	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 5/30/2006
Subject: Re: USRA hb Waddell Coal hoppers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40626	From: frank emiro	Date: 5/31/2006
Subject: A REAL UP Challenger
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40627	From: Randall L. Griggs	Date: 5/31/2006
Subject: Re: Inquiry from MakeMyModel.com
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40628	From: Randall L. Griggs	Date: 5/31/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 3070 - Interesting model building site
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40629	From: Randall L. Griggs	Date: 5/31/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 3062 - "Since No One Makes Them."
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40630	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 5/31/2006
Subject: "Since No One Makes Them."
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40631	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 5/31/2006
Subject: Re: "Since No One Makes Them."
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40632	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 5/31/2006
Subject: Re: Kline TRACK
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40633	From: Roy Inman	Date: 5/31/2006
Subject: Re: A REAL UP Challenger
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40634	From: lember2004	Date: 5/31/2006
Subject: PikeMaster basics
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40635	From: beebear	Date: 5/31/2006
Subject: containers for his Husky Stack cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40636	From: paflyrman	Date: 5/31/2006
Subject: Maintenance Car Repro Bodies
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40637	From: beebear	Date: 5/31/2006
Subject: Re: Maintenance Car Repro Bodies
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40638	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 5/31/2006
Subject: Re: Maintenance Car Repro Bodies
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40639	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 5/31/2006
Subject: Re: Maintenance Car Repro Bodies
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40640	From: beebear	Date: 5/31/2006
Subject: Re: Maintenance Car Repro Bodies
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40641	From: t.hawley	Date: 5/31/2006
Subject: 13 years ago
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40642	From: Furmanak, Stan	Date: 6/1/2006
Subject: NASG memberships
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40643	From: Jollivier4@cs.com	Date: 6/1/2006
Subject: I'd like to go nuts!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40644	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 6/1/2006
Subject: Re: 13 years ago
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40645	From: Rick Evans	Date: 6/1/2006
Subject: July 2006 Issue of CTT
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40646	From: beebear	Date: 6/1/2006
Subject: Re: I'd like to go nuts!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40647	From: Alan Evans	Date: 6/1/2006
Subject: Re: 13 years ago
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40648	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 6/1/2006
Subject: Re: Eastern Division meet - York October 2006
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40649	From: Roy Inman	Date: 6/1/2006
Subject: Re: 13 years ago
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40650	From: muniman18	Date: 6/2/2006
Subject: hopper 739
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40651	From: Keith Blanchard	Date: 6/2/2006
Subject: Pine Canyon Update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40652	From: Roy Inman	Date: 6/2/2006
Subject: Am snap lock couplers question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40653	From: muniman18	Date: 6/2/2006
Subject: new haven gondola
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40654	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 6/2/2006
Subject: Re: AF 3 RAIL
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40655	From: William Porter	Date: 6/2/2006
Subject: Re: AF 3 RAIL
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40656	From: Gary Chudzinski	Date: 6/2/2006
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} NASG Joining and Renewals
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40657	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 6/2/2006
Subject: Re: 710 wiring
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40658	From: Furmanak, Stan	Date: 6/2/2006
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} NASG Joining and Renewals
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40659	From: Roy Inman	Date: 6/2/2006
Subject: FW: K-LINE JUNE SPECIALS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40660	From: Roy Inman	Date: 6/2/2006
Subject: FW: K-LINE JUNE SPECIALS PS:
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40661	From: trzp1800	Date: 6/3/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 3070 - Interesting model building site
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40662	From: lember2004	Date: 6/3/2006
Subject: AF 23320 "Traffic Master" ???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40663	From: Roy Inman	Date: 6/3/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 3070 - Interesting model building site
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40664	From: Roy Inman	Date: 6/3/2006
Subject: Coupler help...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40665	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 6/3/2006
Subject: hobby show
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40666	From: Charles E. Smith	Date: 6/3/2006
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Coupler help...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40667	From: Rick Evans	Date: 6/3/2006
Subject: - Interesting model building site
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40668	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 6/3/2006
Subject: Sunday Chat, 6/4/2006, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40669	From: T Larson	Date: 6/4/2006
Subject: Measure ?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40670	From: Roy Inman	Date: 6/4/2006
Subject: Coupler help thanks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40671	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 6/4/2006
Subject: Sunday Chat, 6/4/2006, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40672	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 6/4/2006
Subject: Re: OLSENS OR OLSONS TRAIN PARTS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40673	From: Eric R.	Date: 6/4/2006
Subject: Re: OLSENS OR OLSONS TRAIN PARTS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40674	From: George Cohn	Date: 6/4/2006
Subject: Johnny Lightning Cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40675	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 6/4/2006
Subject: Re: Olsens
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40676	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 6/5/2006
Subject: OFF TOPIC - MARX PLANE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40677	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 6/5/2006
Subject: Re: Johnny Lightning Cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40678	From: George Cohn	Date: 6/5/2006
Subject: Re: Johnny Lightning Cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40679	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 6/5/2006
Subject: way off topic.... but fun
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40680	From: Phil K	Date: 6/5/2006
Subject: Buying 99 cent bargain cars on Ebay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40681	From: Rick Evans	Date: 6/5/2006
Subject: Re: Buying 99 cent bargain cars on Ebay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40682	From: manderman	Date: 6/5/2006
Subject: Re: 336 pilot wheels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40683	From: Phil K	Date: 6/5/2006
Subject: eBay horror story
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40684	From: jayhoo64	Date: 6/5/2006
Subject: Re: Johnny Lightning Cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40685	From: jim_marski	Date: 6/5/2006
Subject: American Flyer LTI Coors Reefer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40686	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 6/5/2006
Subject: Re: DAVE DEWEY
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40687	From: George Cohn	Date: 6/5/2006
Subject: Re: eBay horror story
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40688	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 6/5/2006
Subject: Re: eBay horror story
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40689	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 6/5/2006
Subject: * Fall S Fest 2006 in Chicago * Nov. 3-5, 2006 * , 6/6/2006, 12:00
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40690	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 6/5/2006
Subject: Re: eBay horror story
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40691	From: SnSTrains@aol.com	Date: 6/5/2006
Subject: Need to find an S-gauger in Arizona
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40692	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 6/6/2006
Subject: Re: E-BAY SHIPPING.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40693	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 6/6/2006
Subject: E-BAY SHIPPING
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40694	From: lember2004	Date: 6/6/2006
Subject: Number puzzler?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40695	From: David Dewey	Date: 6/7/2006
Subject: DAVE DEWEY Replys!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40696	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 6/7/2006
Subject: Flyer truck sets on ebay.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40697	From: Jim Marski	Date: 6/7/2006
Subject: RMD TCA Coors car- American Flyer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40698	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 6/7/2006
Subject: New Poll - October 2006 York TCA Meet
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40699	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 6/7/2006
Subject: Re: RMD TCA Coors car- American Flyer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40700	From: Phil K	Date: 6/7/2006
Subject: First step was today in MTH v. Lionel case appeal
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40701	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 6/7/2006
Subject: "It ain't prototypical!"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40702	From: lember2004	Date: 6/7/2006
Subject: Will the real S-scale vehicle please stand up
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40703	From: Phil K	Date: 6/7/2006
Subject: Re: "It ain't prototypical!"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40704	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 6/7/2006
Subject: Re: "It ain't prototypical!"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40705	From: Eric R.	Date: 6/7/2006
Subject: Great kit building website !
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40706	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 6/7/2006
Subject: Re: Will the real S-scale vehicle please stand up
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40707	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 6/7/2006
Subject: Re: Will the real S-scale vehicle please stand up
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40708	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 6/7/2006
Subject: Re: "It ain't prototypical!"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40709	From: Rick Evans	Date: 6/8/2006
Subject: Re: "It ain't prototypical!"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40710	From: Rick Evans	Date: 6/8/2006
Subject: Re: Will the real S-scale vehicle please stand up
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40711	From: jayhoo64	Date: 6/8/2006
Subject: Re: Will the real S-scale vehicle please stand up
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40712	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 6/8/2006
Subject: Re: Integrated S gauge collecting or not?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40713	From: Roy Inman	Date: 6/8/2006
Subject: Re: Great kit building website !
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40714	From: Dave Farquhar	Date: 6/8/2006
Subject: Re: Buying 99 cent bargain cars on Ebay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40715	From: romoyer@att.net	Date: 6/8/2006
Subject: My ebay story and a warning
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40716	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 6/8/2006
Subject: S SCALE CARS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40717	From: Phil K	Date: 6/8/2006
Subject: eBay seller runaround
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40718	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 6/8/2006
Subject: Re: "It ain't prototypical!"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40719	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 6/8/2006
Subject: Re: eBay seller runaround
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40720	From: Phil K	Date: 6/8/2006
Subject: eBay seller runaround
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40721	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 6/8/2006
Subject: Re: Will the real S-scale vehicle please stand up
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40722	From: Rick Evans	Date: 6/8/2006
Subject: FFW #7
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40723	From: Rick Evans	Date: 6/8/2006
Subject: Re: Will the real S-scale vehicle please stand up
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40724	From: Phil K	Date: 6/8/2006
Subject: Re: eBay seller runaround
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40725	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 6/8/2006
Subject: Re: My ebay story and a warning
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40726	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 6/8/2006
Subject: Re: Will the real S-scale vehicle please stand up
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40727	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 6/8/2006
Subject: Re: My ebay story and a warning
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40728	From: Scott Holm	Date: 6/8/2006
Subject: Re: My ebay story and a warning
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40729	From: race944t	Date: 6/8/2006
Subject: York Oct 2006
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40730	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 6/8/2006
Subject: Re: eBay seller runaround
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40731	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 6/8/2006
Subject: Re: S SCALE CARS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40732	From: Don	Date: 6/9/2006
Subject: Mystic station
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40733	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 6/9/2006
Subject: Re: My ebay story and a warning
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40734	From: Mark Preman	Date: 6/9/2006
Subject: Tons of American Flyer Trains For sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40735	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 6/9/2006
Subject: Re: S Trains in Jacksonville
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40736	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 6/9/2006
Subject: Re: eBay seller runaround
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40737	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 6/9/2006
Subject: Ebay reply
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40738	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 6/9/2006
Subject: Re: My ebay story and a warning
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40739	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 6/9/2006
Subject: Re: Trains are like computers!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40740	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 6/9/2006
Subject: Re: K-LINE TRACK
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40741	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 6/9/2006
Subject: Re: My ebay story and a warning
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40742	From: Scott Holm	Date: 6/9/2006
Subject: Re: My ebay story and a warning
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40743	From: reynoldsjmus	Date: 6/9/2006
Subject: why ebay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40744	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 6/9/2006
Subject: AM PA Set on Ebay with only one powered unit ???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40745	From: Scott Holm	Date: 6/9/2006
Subject: Re: My ebay story and a warning
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40746	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 6/9/2006
Subject: Re: My ebay story and a warning
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40747	From: BENJAMIN PERRY	Date: 6/10/2006
Subject: Re: My ebay story and a warning
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40748	From: Donald Munsey Jr.	Date: 6/10/2006
Subject: Calling Chris Burger
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40749	From: Roy Inman	Date: 6/10/2006
Subject: Re: K-LINE TRACK
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40750	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 6/10/2006
Subject: Re: My ebay story and a warning
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40751	From: Roy Inman	Date: 6/10/2006
Subject: Re: AM PA Set on Ebay with only one powered unit ???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40752	From: bellokdaka@webtv.net	Date: 6/10/2006
Subject: S-TRAINS LIST (Maybe Considered Train Related-Maybe Not)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40753	From: Rick Evans	Date: 6/10/2006
Subject: Re: why ebay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40754	From: Dale Smith	Date: 6/10/2006
Subject: Re: My ebay story and a warning
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40755	From: Don Thompson	Date: 6/10/2006
Subject: Re: Trains are like computers!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40756	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 6/10/2006
Subject: "And now for something completely different..."
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40757	From: Roy Inman	Date: 6/10/2006
Subject: Re: why ebay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40758	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 6/10/2006
Subject: Sunday Chat, 6/11/2006, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40759	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 6/10/2006
Subject: Re: My ebay story and a warning
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40760	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 6/11/2006
Subject: Re: "And now for something completely different..."
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40761	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 6/11/2006
Subject: Re: "And now for something completely different..."
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40762	From: Alex Sibbald	Date: 6/11/2006
Subject: Re: why ebay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40763	From: tomminil@aol.com	Date: 6/11/2006
Subject: Re: My ebay story and a warning
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40764	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 6/11/2006
Subject: Re: My ebay story and a warning
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40765	From: trzp1800	Date: 6/11/2006
Subject: can't see the message board
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40766	From: Rick Evans	Date: 6/11/2006
Subject: Re: why ebay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40767	From: Don Thompson	Date: 6/11/2006
Subject: Re: Trains are like computers!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40768	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 6/11/2006
Subject: Re: My ebay story and a warning
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40769	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 6/11/2006
Subject: Re: "And now for something completely different..."
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40770	From: Robert Graves	Date: 6/11/2006
Subject: Flyonel SP 9500 combo & 9503 observation for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40771	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 6/11/2006
Subject: Re: My ebay story and a warning
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40772	From: Robert Graves	Date: 6/11/2006
Subject: Re: Integrated S gauge collecting or not?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40773	From: T Larson	Date: 6/11/2006
Subject: older ERTL trucks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40774	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 6/11/2006
Subject: TMC, DCC, QVCC, ETC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40775	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 6/11/2006
Subject: Re;can't see the message board
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40776	From: bellokdaka@webtv.net	Date: 6/11/2006
Subject: S-TRAINS LIST (Maybe Considered Train Related-Maybe Not)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40777	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 6/11/2006
Subject: Re: My ebay story and a warning
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40778	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 6/11/2006
Subject: Re: My ebay story and a warning
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40779	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 6/11/2006
Subject: Re: My ebay story and a warning
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40780	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 6/11/2006
Subject: Re: Gilbert Switch Tracks and Am Models Engines
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40781	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 6/11/2006
Subject: Re: TMC, DCC, QVCC, ETC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40782	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 6/11/2006
Subject: Re: E-Bay - Insurance and delivery confirmation is the only way to
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40783	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 6/11/2006
Subject: Sunday Chat, 6/11/2006, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40784	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 6/11/2006
Subject: Re: TMC, DCC, QVCC, ETC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40785	From: Robert A Persing	Date: 6/11/2006
Subject: Re: E-Bay - Insurance and delivery confirmation is the only way to
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40786	From: lember2004	Date: 6/11/2006
Subject: The discussion on 1:64 vehicles
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40787	From: Rick Evans	Date: 6/11/2006
Subject: "I think I may lean toward 1:50 size or so"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40788	From: Alan and Sherry Bennett	Date: 6/11/2006
Subject: Re: The discussion on 1:64 vehicles
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40789	From: frank emiro	Date: 6/12/2006
Subject: Re: TMC, DCC, QVCC, ETC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40790	From: Bill Clark	Date: 6/12/2006
Subject: Two new SHS Internet Specials
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40791	From: David Cooke	Date: 6/12/2006
Subject: Vehicle Size
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40792	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 6/12/2006
Subject: Re: TMC, DCC, QVCC, ETC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40793	From: Keith Blanchard	Date: 6/12/2006
Subject: Pics Finally Posted, Pine Canyon Advert
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40794	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 6/12/2006
Subject: BURLINGTON SD-9 LISTED ON E-BAY YES BY ME
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40795	From: Robert Graves	Date: 6/12/2006
Subject: Re: "I think I may lean toward 1:50 size or so"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40796	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 6/12/2006
Subject: When does title pass?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40797	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 6/12/2006
Subject: Re: Great Addition to your Train book Collection
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40798	From: glenn allen	Date: 6/12/2006
Subject: Chatham Show
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40799	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 6/12/2006
Subject: Small Exhibition Downunder
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40800	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 6/12/2006
Subject: * *Fall S Fest 2006 in Chicago ** * Nov. 3-5, 2006 * , 6/13/2006,
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40801	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 6/12/2006
Subject: Re: TMC, DCC, QVCC, ETC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40802	From: Phil K	Date: 6/12/2006
Subject: Re: Chatham Show
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40803	From: winchester54947	Date: 6/13/2006
Subject: FDR Presidential Train
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40804	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 6/13/2006
Subject: Re: "I think I may lean toward 1:50 size or so"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40805	From: RCESpeak	Date: 6/13/2006
Subject: Re: When does title pass?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40806	From: RCESpeak	Date: 6/13/2006
Subject: Re: "I think I may lean toward 1:50 size or so"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40807	From: jnr59@aol.com	Date: 6/13/2006
Subject: Wanted: SHS B&O composite hopper for trade or sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40808	From: Pat Turner	Date: 6/13/2006
Subject: 2 New Structure Kits
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40809	From: Robert Graves	Date: 6/13/2006
Subject: Neil Young's new music video
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40810	From: Roy Inman	Date: 6/14/2006
Subject: Re: Neil Young's new music video
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40811	From: Robert Graves	Date: 6/14/2006
Subject: Re: Neil Young's new music video
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40812	From: Pat Turner	Date: 6/14/2006
Subject: 2007 1:64 Scale Calendar
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40813	From: faltrain5	Date: 6/14/2006
Subject: Hey guys, I am wondering about a certain operation that i can't fig
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40814	From: faltrain5	Date: 6/14/2006
Subject: I am wondering what type of smoke for Flyer allows the best smoking
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40815	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 6/14/2006
Subject: Re: New Lionel Flyer Sets
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40816	From: faltrain5	Date: 6/14/2006
Subject: Is there any internet auctions out there that you have bought post
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40817	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 6/14/2006
Subject: Re: New Lionel Flyer Sets
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40818	From: faltrain5	Date: 6/14/2006
Subject: Hey guys, i just posted a album of my 05-06 X-mas train set!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40819	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 6/14/2006
Subject: Re: I am wondering what type of smoke for Flyer allows the best smo
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40820	From: Phil K	Date: 6/14/2006
Subject: Re: Hey guys, i just posted a album of my 05-06 X-mas train set!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40821	From: Phil K	Date: 6/14/2006
Subject: Re: New Lionel Flyer Sets
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40822	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 6/14/2006
Subject: Re: Operators and Collectors
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40823	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 6/14/2006
Subject: Re: New Lionel Flyer Sets
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40824	From: Robert Graves	Date: 6/14/2006
Subject: Re: New Lionel Flyer Sets
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40825	From: Phil K	Date: 6/14/2006
Subject: Re: New Lionel Flyer Sets
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40826	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 6/14/2006
Subject: Re: New Lionel Flyer Sets
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40827	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 6/14/2006
Subject: Re: Missing the point on New Flyonel Sets
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40828	From: Phil K	Date: 6/14/2006
Subject: Re: New Lionel Flyer Sets
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40829	From: Roy Inman	Date: 6/14/2006
Subject: Re: New Lionel Flyer Sets
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40830	From: Alex Sibbald	Date: 6/14/2006
Subject: new Lionel sets
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40831	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 6/14/2006
Subject: Re: Is there any internet auctions out there that you have bought p
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40832	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 6/14/2006
Subject: Re: Neil Young's new music video
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40833	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 6/14/2006
Subject: Re;Operators and collectors
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40834	From: David Dewey	Date: 6/14/2006
Subject: Manufacturing costs & Yahoo Changes??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40835	From: Robert Graves	Date: 6/14/2006
Subject: More floorrunner pix and the Royal Gorge (at last)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40836	From: Phil K	Date: 6/14/2006
Subject: Re: Manufacturing costs & Yahoo Changes??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40837	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 6/15/2006
Subject: DC convert
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40838	From: Roy Inman	Date: 6/15/2006
Subject: Re: new Lionel sets
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40839	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 6/15/2006
Subject: Lionel AF Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40840	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 6/15/2006
Subject: Re: new Lionel sets
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40841	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 6/15/2006
Subject: Re: Manufacturing costs & Yahoo Changes??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40842	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 6/15/2006
Subject: Re: new Lionel sets
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40843	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 6/15/2006
Subject: Re;DC convert
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40844	From: jjmemmer@aol.com	Date: 6/15/2006
Subject: Lionel CEO article
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40845	From: faltrain5	Date: 6/15/2006
Subject: A question a I already asked but didn't get many responses??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40846	From: Richard Hosmer	Date: 6/16/2006
Subject: Re: A question a I already asked but didn't get many responses??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40847	From: Charles E. Smith	Date: 6/16/2006
Subject: Re: A question a I already asked but didn't get many responses??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40848	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 6/16/2006
Subject: Re: new Lionel sets
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40849	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 6/16/2006
Subject: Re: A question a I already asked but didn't get many responses??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40850	From: David Dewey	Date: 6/16/2006
Subject: Re: Manufacturing Costs--Again.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40851	From: Robert Graves	Date: 6/16/2006
Subject: Re: A question a I already asked but didn't get many responses??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40852	From: WEG138@aol.com	Date: 6/16/2006
Subject: Re: Hey guys, I am wondering about a certain operation that i can'.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40853	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 6/16/2006
Subject: Re: Quality of S gauge vs HO gauge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40854	From: T Larson	Date: 6/16/2006
Subject: REX gon
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40855	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 6/16/2006
Subject: Re;Quality of S gauge vs. HO gauge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40856	From: rlgriggs	Date: 6/16/2006
Subject: Finally, an 'S' Studebaker Avanti
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40857	From: Bruce D. Willis	Date: 6/16/2006
Subject: Flyonel and $$$
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40858	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 6/16/2006
Subject: Re: Great Dealers - thank you Gentlemen
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40859	From: Phil K	Date: 6/16/2006
Subject: Re: Re;Quality of S gauge vs. HO gauge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40860	From: Bill Clark	Date: 6/17/2006
Subject: Re: Quality of S gauge vs HO gauge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40861	From: David Dewey	Date: 6/17/2006
Subject: That Switching Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40862	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 6/17/2006
Subject: Re: Quality of S gauge vs HO gauge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40863	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 6/17/2006
Subject: Sunday Chat, 6/18/2006, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40864	From: manderman	Date: 6/17/2006
Subject: K-Line track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40865	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 6/17/2006
Subject: Re: That Switching Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40866	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 6/18/2006
Subject: K-LINE TRACK 54" CURVED
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40867	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 6/18/2006
Subject: Sunday Chat, 6/18/2006, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40868	From: faltrain5	Date: 6/19/2006
Subject: How does a engine that is post war american flyer back up without c
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40869	From: Alan Evans	Date: 6/19/2006
Subject: Phone Number for Triple S Supply or Tom Seccia
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40870	From: Barry Jamison	Date: 6/19/2006
Subject: Re: Phone Number for Triple S Supply or Tom Seccia
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40871	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 6/19/2006
Subject: Re: Phone Number for Triple S Supply or Tom SeCcia
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40872	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 6/19/2006
Subject: Re: Phone Number for Triple S Supply or Tom Seccia
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40873	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 6/19/2006
Subject: Re: How does a engine that is post war american flyer back up witho
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40874	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 6/19/2006
Subject: * *Fall S Fest 2006 in Chicago ** * Nov. 3-5, 2006 * , 6/20/2006,
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40875	From: Robert Graves	Date: 6/20/2006
Subject: Two questions from France
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40876	From: keefer1	Date: 6/20/2006
Subject: AMERICAN MODELS MILWAUKEE RD SET FOR SALE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40877	From: manderman	Date: 6/20/2006
Subject: Re: Two questions from France
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40878	From: louis glumac	Date: 6/20/2006
Subject: WTB #484
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40879	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 6/20/2006
Subject: Need to contact Steve Blancard
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40880	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 6/20/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 3094 -- Questions from France
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40881	From: Jenni Sipla	Date: 6/20/2006
Subject: Re: How does a engine that is post war american flyer back up witho
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40882	From: faltrain5	Date: 6/21/2006
Subject: I got the link for my christmas train set so here it is........
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40883	From: faltrain5	Date: 6/21/2006
Subject: Think about it twice before acting!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40884	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 6/21/2006
Subject: Re: Think about it twice before acting!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40885	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 6/21/2006
Subject: Re;Think about it twice before acting.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40886	From: Phil K	Date: 6/21/2006
Subject: Re: Think about it twice before acting!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40887	From: beebear	Date: 6/21/2006
Subject: Old Flyer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40888	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 6/21/2006
Subject: Re: SIGNING POSTS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40889	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 6/21/2006
Subject: Re: 343 DC REPAINT
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40890	From: dwightlehnhoff	Date: 6/21/2006
Subject: MTH coal loader
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40891	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 6/22/2006
Subject: Re: Think about it twice before acting!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40892	From: clifma19@cox.net	Date: 6/22/2006
Subject: Gillford Station
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40893	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 6/22/2006
Subject: Re: GREAT DVD - Steam Trains Volume 1
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40894	From: Jenni Sipla	Date: 6/22/2006
Subject: THINK A LITTLE BEFORE YOU WRITE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40895	From: dieseldave72	Date: 6/22/2006
Subject: WTB 364 Santa Fe B Unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40896	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 6/22/2006
Subject: Re: Gillford Station
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40897	From: Brigadier Scottish Shop Beechworth	Date: 6/22/2006
Subject: American Flyer "Junk"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40898	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 6/22/2006
Subject: Re: THINK A LITTLE BEFORE YOU WRITE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40899	From: hjsheff	Date: 6/22/2006
Subject: TCA Convention
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40900	From: Larry Moore	Date: 6/22/2006
Subject: Set For Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40901	From: Charles E. Smith	Date: 6/22/2006
Subject: Re: MTH coal loader
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40902	From: Phil K	Date: 6/22/2006
Subject: Re: Set For Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40903	From: paflyrman	Date: 6/23/2006
Subject: Off Topic - Question about German 2 Rail Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40904	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 6/23/2006
Subject: Re: American Flyer "Junk"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40905	From: BENJAMIN PERRY	Date: 6/23/2006
Subject: Re: THINK A LITTLE BEFORE YOU WRITE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40906	From: Roy Inman	Date: 6/23/2006
Subject: Re: American Flyer "Junk"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40907	From: Roy Inman	Date: 6/23/2006
Subject: S vehicles
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40908	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 6/24/2006
Subject: Re: S vehicles
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40909	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 6/24/2006
Subject: Junk Flyer and European S gauge question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40910	From: daysend40	Date: 6/24/2006
Subject: AF / LIONEL O-6-0 ELECTRONIC UNIT
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40911	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 6/24/2006
Subject: Google Sketchup - Free Cad Program
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40912	From: Bill Lane	Date: 6/24/2006
Subject: South Jersey S Gaugers Store
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40913	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 6/24/2006
Subject: Sunday Chat, 6/25/2006, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40914	From: Rick Evans	Date: 6/24/2006
Subject: Re: S vehicles
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40915	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 6/24/2006
Subject: WARNING This message uses the "L" word
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40916	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 6/25/2006
Subject: Re: South Jersey S Gaugers Store
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40917	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 6/25/2006
Subject: Autocad - S-Scale Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40918	From: Roy Inman	Date: 6/25/2006
Subject: Re: Autocad - S-Scale Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40919	From: jt12313	Date: 6/25/2006
Subject: Target and JL S vehicles
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40920	From: hspanier2000	Date: 6/25/2006
Subject: Who Doesn't Own a Piece of Scale Marx?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40921	From: Rick Evans	Date: 6/25/2006
Subject: "S" vehicles
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40922	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 6/25/2006
Subject: Re: Autocad - S-Scale Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40923	From: Roy Inman	Date: 6/25/2006
Subject: Re: Target and JL S vehicles
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40924	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 6/25/2006
Subject: Re: South Jersey S Gaugers Store
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40925	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 6/25/2006
Subject: Re: South Jersey S Gaugers Store
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40926	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 6/25/2006
Subject: Sunday Chat, 6/25/2006, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40927	From: Dan Greenberg	Date: 6/25/2006
Subject: loco rehab
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40928	From: Dan Greenberg	Date: 6/25/2006
Subject: Detection systems
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40929	From: Bill Porter	Date: 6/26/2006
Subject: Re: Detection systems
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40930	From: clifma19@cox.net	Date: 6/26/2006
Subject: information
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40931	From: Mark Preman	Date: 6/26/2006
Subject: FLYONEL Collector Car Bargains - 50% off Book
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40932	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 6/26/2006
Subject: Re: Family Dollar - Train DVD SP< UP>NP
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40933	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 6/26/2006
Subject: Re: American Flyer "Junk"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40934	From: Robert Graves	Date: 6/26/2006
Subject: Re: Detection systems
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40935	From: David Engle	Date: 6/26/2006
Subject: Re: American Flyer "Junk"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40936	From: Scott Holm	Date: 6/26/2006
Subject: Re: American Flyer "Junk"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40937	From: plasticvilleking	Date: 6/26/2006
Subject: New to the group
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40938	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 6/26/2006
Subject: * *Fall S Fest 2006 in Chicago ** * Nov. 3-5, 2006 * , 6/27/2006,
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40939	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 6/26/2006
Subject: Re: American Flyer "Junk"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40940	From: Pat Turner	Date: 6/26/2006
Subject: 2007 1:64 Scale Calendar - Last Call!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40941	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 6/27/2006
Subject: NEW EMAIL ADDRESS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40942	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 6/27/2006
Subject: Re: American Flyer "Junk"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40943	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 6/27/2006
Subject: S gaugian July/August Magazine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40944	From: David Engle	Date: 6/27/2006
Subject: Re: American Flyer "Junk"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40945	From: Phil K	Date: 6/27/2006
Subject: Chinese steam locomotives
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40946	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 6/27/2006
Subject: Re: New to the group
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40947	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 6/27/2006
Subject: Re: Chinese steam locomotives
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40948	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 6/27/2006
Subject: Re: Buying, Selling or Trading
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40949	From: plasticvilleking	Date: 6/27/2006
Subject: Thanks for the welcome!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40950	From: gartrain404@comcast.net	Date: 6/27/2006
Subject: AMERICAN FLYER JUNK?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40951	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 6/27/2006
Subject: Old AF, where did it go?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40952	From: WEG138@aol.com	Date: 6/28/2006
Subject: Fwd: Purchasing Product Question Lionel & K line Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40953	From: Phil K	Date: 6/28/2006
Subject: Re: Chinese steam locomotives
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40954	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 6/28/2006
Subject: Re: Old AF, where did it go?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40955	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 6/28/2006
Subject: Re: TMCC Installation
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40956	From: WEG138@aol.com	Date: 6/28/2006
Subject: RE; Lionel & K-line Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40957	From: Bill Clark	Date: 6/28/2006
Subject: SHS Customer Appreciation Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40958	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 6/28/2006
Subject: Bashing A F Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40959	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 6/28/2006
Subject: Re;Old AF/Where did AF go?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40960	From: Rick	Date: 6/28/2006
Subject: New and need help
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40961	From: Eric R.	Date: 6/28/2006
Subject: Re: TMCC Installation
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40962	From: Art Shifrin	Date: 6/29/2006
Subject: American Flyer Junk
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40963	From: John Foley	Date: 6/29/2006
Subject: Pine Canyon
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40964	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 6/29/2006
Subject: Michigan Star Clipper Train has new owner
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40965	From: dieseldave72	Date: 6/29/2006
Subject: Wanted 364 Santa Fe B Unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40966	From: Phil K	Date: 6/29/2006
Subject: Chinese steam arrives in Illinois
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40967	From: trzp1800	Date: 6/29/2006
Subject: Re: New and need help
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40968	From: Phil K	Date: 6/29/2006
Subject: Video of Lone Star Flyer layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40969	From: Robert Graves	Date: 6/30/2006
Subject: My latest floorrunner layout is in the gallery
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40970	From: beebear	Date: 6/30/2006
Subject: York
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40971	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 6/30/2006
Subject: Re: York
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40972	From: John Foley	Date: 6/30/2006
Subject: NMRA Convention in Philly
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40973	From: Rick Evans	Date: 6/30/2006
Subject: Re: floorrunner layout is in the gallery
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40974	From: plasticvilleking	Date: 6/30/2006
Subject: Crossing track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40975	From: Bill Clark	Date: 6/30/2006
Subject: SHS Second 2-day Customer Appreciation Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40976	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 7/1/2006
Subject: Fwd: More Rail burns ALA Slipping Drivers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40977	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 7/1/2006
Subject: WHAT HAS LIONEL PUT OUT
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40978	From: Robert Graves	Date: 7/1/2006
Subject: Re: My latest floorrunner layout is in the gallery
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40979	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 7/1/2006
Subject: Fwd: Check out Madera Tribune--train wreck info
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40980	From: Rick Evans	Date: 7/1/2006
Subject: Re: Fwd: Check out Madera Tribune--train wreck info
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40981	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 7/1/2006
Subject: Sunday Chat, 7/2/2006, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40982	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 7/2/2006
Subject: Re: Crossing track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40983	From: Bill Clark	Date: 7/2/2006
Subject: SHS Third 2-day Customer Appreciation Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40984	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 7/3/2006
Subject: Re: [toytrains] Digest Number 4245
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40985	From: Robert Graves	Date: 7/3/2006
Subject: Re: Buying, Selling or Trading
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40986	From: T Larson	Date: 7/3/2006
Subject: Covered Hopper (LO) Decals
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40987	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 7/3/2006
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] Fwd: Check out Madera Tribune--train wreck info
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40988	From: Roy Inman	Date: 7/3/2006
Subject: Re: Buying, Selling or Trading
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40989	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 7/3/2006
Subject: Twilight Zone Flyer layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40990	From: mtoytrain@bellsouth.net	Date: 7/3/2006
Subject: Re: Buying, Selling or Trading
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40991	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 7/3/2006
Subject: Re: Fwd: Check out Madera Tribune--train wreck info
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40992	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 7/3/2006
Subject: Re: Fwd: [S-Trains] Fwd: Check out Madera Tribune--train wreck info
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40993	From: G C	Date: 7/3/2006
Subject: Re: Re;Old AF/Where did AF go?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40994	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 7/3/2006
Subject: Re: New Yahoo Group - S Gauge, Sell, Buy or Swap
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40995	From: Roy Inman	Date: 7/3/2006
Subject: Re: Fwd: Check out Madera Tribune--train wreck info
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40996	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 7/4/2006
Subject: Re: Update on new Sell, Buy Trade Group
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40997	From: Ed Eckert	Date: 7/4/2006
Subject: Winter All Aboard Panel Wanted
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40998	From: Gerald Dobbs	Date: 7/4/2006
Subject: New S cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 40999	From: Phil K	Date: 7/4/2006
Subject: Re: Fwd: [S-Trains] Fwd: Check out Madera Tribune--train wreck info
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41000	From: Robert Graves	Date: 7/4/2006
Subject: Progress at The Gilbert Gallery
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41001	From: Bill Clark	Date: 7/5/2006
Subject: SHS Fourth 2-day Customer Appreciation Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41002	From: Robert Graves	Date: 7/5/2006
Subject: Al Minutoli and his website
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41003	From: wnholcomb	Date: 7/5/2006
Subject: Gilbert HO Drum Loader Parts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41004	From: Robert Graves	Date: 7/5/2006
Subject: Re: Al Minutoli and his website
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41005	From: T Larson	Date: 7/5/2006
Subject: SFRD Reefers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41006	From: Mark Preman	Date: 7/5/2006
Subject: American Flyer Trains for Sale - Your ebay Alternative
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41007	From: Mark Preman	Date: 7/5/2006
Subject: Big Train Show in Orlando
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41008	From: dale reynolds	Date: 7/5/2006
Subject: burma-shave signs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41009	From: mtoytrain@bellsouth.net	Date: 7/5/2006
Subject: Re: Al Minutoli and his website
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41010	From: Jim Alessio	Date: 7/5/2006
Subject: Re: burma-shave signs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41011	From: Roy Inman	Date: 7/5/2006
Subject: Re: burma-shave signs PS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41012	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 7/5/2006
Subject: Re: burma-shave signs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41013	From: Larry Moore	Date: 7/5/2006
Subject: Re: Buying, Selling or Trading
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41014	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 7/5/2006
Subject: Re: Big Train Show in Orlando
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41015	From: Roy Inman	Date: 7/5/2006
Subject: Re: burma-shave signs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41016	From: Roy Inman	Date: 7/5/2006
Subject: Re: burma-shave signs PPS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41017	From: roy meissner	Date: 7/5/2006
Subject: Burma Shave
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41018	From: Roy Inman	Date: 7/5/2006
Subject: Re: burma-shave signs PPPS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41019	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 7/6/2006
Subject: Fw: [S-Trains] NMRA NATIONAL TRAIN SHOW
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41020	From: G C	Date: 7/6/2006
Subject: Re: Buying, Selling or Trading
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41021	From: Gerald Dobbs	Date: 7/6/2006
Subject: (no subject)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41022	From: Roy Inman	Date: 7/6/2006
Subject: Re: Burma Shave
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41023	From: Velapoldi	Date: 7/6/2006
Subject: Re: Buying, Selling or Trading
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41024	From: plasticvilleking	Date: 7/6/2006
Subject: Re: Burma Shave
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41025	From: reynoldsjmus	Date: 7/6/2006
Subject: Burma Shave signs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41026	From: plasticvilleking	Date: 7/6/2006
Subject: Re: Burma Shave
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41027	From: Steven Allen	Date: 7/6/2006
Subject: AM Transformer w/Sound Control
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41028	From: Bill Clark	Date: 7/7/2006
Subject: SHS Fifth 2-day Customer Appreciation Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41029	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 7/7/2006
Subject: Re: Group Update - AvailableSGauge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41030	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 7/7/2006
Subject: Re: Gilbert AF and F3 or F7 diesels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41031	From: T Larson	Date: 7/7/2006
Subject: JL and HotWheels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41032	From: Roy Inman	Date: 7/8/2006
Subject: FW: [toytrains] Superman Returns
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41033	From: Bill Porter	Date: 7/8/2006
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} FW: [toytrains] Superman Returns
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41034	From: mtoytrain@bellsouth.net	Date: 7/8/2006
Subject: Re: Availablesgauge Yahoo site
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41035	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 7/8/2006
Subject: Buyers Guide update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41036	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 7/8/2006
Subject: Re: Availablesgauge Yahoo site
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41037	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 7/8/2006
Subject: YAHOO'D
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41038	From: t.hawley	Date: 7/8/2006
Subject: Clinics at the National Convention
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41039	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 7/8/2006
Subject: Re: JL and HotWheels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41040	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 7/8/2006
Subject: Sunday Chat, 7/9/2006, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41041	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 7/8/2006
Subject: Re: YAHOO'D
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41042	From: Bill Porter	Date: 7/8/2006
Subject: Re: Availablesgauge Yahoo site
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41043	From: Bill Clark	Date: 7/8/2006
Subject: SHS Sixth 2-day Customer Appreciation Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41044	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 7/9/2006
Subject: Superman Train set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41045	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 7/10/2006
Subject: What am I doing here?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41046	From: Dave Highfield	Date: 7/10/2006
Subject: Kleins store in Baltimore
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41047	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 7/10/2006
Subject: Re: Message #41021 Gerald Dobbs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41048	From: Bill Clark	Date: 7/10/2006
Subject: SHS Seventh 2-day Customer Appreciation Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41049	From: hugoroundhouse	Date: 7/11/2006
Subject: 592 Crossing Gate
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41050	From: Bruce D. Willis	Date: 7/11/2006
Subject: Train show in Huntsville, AL
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41051	From: frank emiro	Date: 7/11/2006
Subject: Re: What am I doing here?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41052	From: Richard Hosmer	Date: 7/11/2006
Subject: Re: 592 Crossing Gate
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41053	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 7/11/2006
Subject: Re: 592 Crossing Gate
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41054	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 7/11/2006
Subject: Re: David Dewey
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41055	From: Roger Walton	Date: 7/11/2006
Subject: 592 crossing gate wiring
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41056	From: Robert Graves	Date: 7/12/2006
Subject: 2007 TCA Convention cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41057	From: Ted Larson	Date: 7/13/2006
Subject: 1-64th Scale Vehicles
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41058	From: Bill Lane	Date: 7/13/2006
Subject: Convention inquiry/ PSM Update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41059	From: Bill Clark	Date: 7/13/2006
Subject: SHS Eighth 2-day Customer Appreciation Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41060	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 7/13/2006
Subject: Re: 592 Crossing Gate -post up plays...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41061	From: John Foley	Date: 7/13/2006
Subject: Josh Seltzer Website Award
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41062	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 7/14/2006
Subject: Re: Need Help in finding an S gauge friend
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41063	From: David Dewey	Date: 7/14/2006
Subject: 36 yr wait over! (Not AF/train relatied)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41064	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 7/15/2006
Subject: Re: 36 yr wait over! (Not AF/train relatied)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41065	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 7/15/2006
Subject: LIONEL NORTHERNS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41066	From: Bill Clark	Date: 7/15/2006
Subject: SHS Ninth 2-day Customer Appreciation Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41067	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 7/15/2006
Subject: Sunday Chat, 7/16/2006, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41068	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 7/16/2006
Subject: SHS Customer Appreciaition Sale - SW9
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41069	From: hugoroundhouse	Date: 7/16/2006
Subject: Lionel Flyer vs. American Models - Northerns
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41070	From: John Gibson	Date: 7/17/2006
Subject: Fruit Packing Shed - thank you!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41071	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 7/17/2006
Subject: LED Headlight Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41072	From: Mark Preman	Date: 7/17/2006
Subject: Mint/Factory Sealed American Flyer Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41073	From: Keith Blanchard	Date: 7/17/2006
Subject: Latest Fun from Pine Canyon, Advert
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41074	From: Bill Clark	Date: 7/17/2006
Subject: SHS Tenth 2-day Customer Appreciation Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41075	From: Brigadier Scottish Shop	Date: 7/17/2006
Subject: ebay set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41076	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 7/17/2006
Subject: Re: ebay set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41077	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 7/17/2006
Subject: Re: ebay set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41078	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 7/17/2006
Subject: Re: Latest Fun from Pine Canyon, Advert
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41079	From: Phil K	Date: 7/18/2006
Subject: Sgt. Ben Thompson
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41080	From: Trains	Date: 7/18/2006
Subject: LED headlight crew in base
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41081	From: Bill Porter	Date: 7/18/2006
Subject: Ward Kimball Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41082	From: Keith Blanchard	Date: 7/18/2006
Subject: Re: Latest Fun from Pine Canyon, Advert
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41083	From: geep39	Date: 7/18/2006
Subject: LED-packed bulb replacements
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41084	From: Phil K	Date: 7/19/2006
Subject: More on Sgt. Thompson
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41085	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 7/19/2006
Subject: Re: Ward Kimball Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41086	From: Bill Porter	Date: 7/19/2006
Subject: Re: Ward Kimball Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41087	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 7/19/2006
Subject: Wanted: 24577 Jet Transport Flat Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41088	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 7/19/2006
Subject: Wanted: Allied Cars for 24566 Auto Carrier
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41089	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 7/19/2006
Subject: Re: BURLINGTON GP-9's & K-LINE TRACK ALL NEW IN THE BOX
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41090	From: whtrainman	Date: 7/19/2006
Subject: Wanted: Shells
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41091	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 7/19/2006
Subject: Re: Sgt. Ben Thompson
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41092	From: Phil K	Date: 7/19/2006
Subject: Update from Sgt. Ben Thompson, U.S. Army
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41093	From: Alan Evans	Date: 7/19/2006
Subject: Visiting Ft Worth/ Dallas and Rusk
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41094	From: Jim Marski	Date: 7/19/2006
Subject: Polk Brothers 5205 set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41095	From: mtoytrain@bellsouth.net	Date: 7/20/2006
Subject: Re: [AvailableSgauge] Discount for list members
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41096	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 7/20/2006
Subject: Sept 2006 - CTT features S Helper 2-8-0 Consolidation
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41097	From: keefer1	Date: 7/20/2006
Subject: Discount for list members
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41098	From: Roy Inman	Date: 7/20/2006
Subject: Re: [AvailableSgauge] Discount for list members
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41099	From: Roy Inman	Date: 7/20/2006
Subject: FW: Foam cradles-FYI
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41100	From: Bill	Date: 7/20/2006
Subject: Emailing: 060707.nmra
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41101	From: Robert Graves	Date: 7/21/2006
Subject: Re: FW: Foam cradles-FYI
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41102	From: Rick Evans	Date: 7/21/2006
Subject: Re: FW: Foam cradles-FYI
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41103	From: John Foley	Date: 7/21/2006
Subject: 2007 TCA Convention
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41104	From: Roy Inman	Date: 7/21/2006
Subject: Re: FW: Foam cradles-FYI
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41105	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 7/21/2006
Subject: K-LINE TRACK
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41106	From: Doug Peck	Date: 7/21/2006
Subject: Re: FW: Foam cradles-FYI
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41107	From: Roy Inman	Date: 7/21/2006
Subject: Re: FW: Foam cradles-FYI
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41108	From: Phil K	Date: 7/21/2006
Subject: IMPORTANT UPDATE on Sgt. Ben Thompson
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41109	From: Phil K	Date: 7/21/2006
Subject: New Flyonel 4-8-4?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41110	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 7/22/2006
Subject: Re;New Flyonel 4-8-4
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41111	From: t.hawley@comcast.net	Date: 7/22/2006
Subject: Convention Clinic
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41112	From: Phil K	Date: 7/22/2006
Subject: Some good news for a change about Sgt. Ben Thompson
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41113	From: Keith Blanchard	Date: 7/22/2006
Subject: Re: Latest Fun from Pine Canyon, Advert
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41114	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 7/22/2006
Subject: Sunday Chat, 7/23/2006, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41115	From: David Dewey	Date: 7/23/2006
Subject: New Flyonel stuff coming.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41116	From: Jim Marski	Date: 7/23/2006
Subject: AF trains for sale ebay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41117	From: Clay Buckage	Date: 7/23/2006
Subject: Attn: John Foley
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41118	From: Rick	Date: 7/23/2006
Subject: Thanks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41119	From: Steve & Cathy Pendleton	Date: 7/23/2006
Subject: Rare set for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41120	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 7/23/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 3123
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41121	From: Robert Graves	Date: 7/24/2006
Subject: Progress at The Gilbert Gallery: hoppers and For Sale page
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41122	From: Roy Inman	Date: 7/24/2006
Subject: New Lionel catalog
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41123	From: frank emiro	Date: 7/24/2006
Subject: BUT WHEN ??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41124	From: T Larson	Date: 7/24/2006
Subject: vehicle size
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41125	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 7/24/2006
Subject: Re: [toytrains] Digest Number 4277
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41126	From: Roy Inman	Date: 7/24/2006
Subject: Re: New Lionel catalog
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41127	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 7/24/2006
Subject: Re: Flyonel 6-48136 Sante Fe PA1 B unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41128	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 7/24/2006
Subject: Re: Flyonel 6-48136 Sante Fe PA1 B unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41129	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 7/24/2006
Subject: Re: New Lionel catalog
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41130	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 7/24/2006
Subject: Re: AFCC BUT WHEN ??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41131	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 7/24/2006
Subject: Re: Flyonel 6-48136 Sante Fe PA1 B unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41132	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 7/25/2006
Subject: 1/66 Model of the Haunted Mansion enjoy S gaugers, Jim Sleeth
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41133	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 7/25/2006
Subject: Re: "American Flyer Collectors Club"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41134	From: rodgercunningham	Date: 7/25/2006
Subject: In need of a EP-5 shell
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41135	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 7/25/2006
Subject: Fw: You're Now a Silver PowerSeller !
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41136	From: Roy Inman	Date: 7/26/2006
Subject: Re: Fw: You're Now a Silver PowerSeller !
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41137	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 7/26/2006
Subject: Fw: SP91011 - Your recent report to eBay's Trust and Safety Departm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41138	From: Phil K	Date: 7/26/2006
Subject: Kudos to SHS, Don and Robin and CTT
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41139	From: John Keating	Date: 7/26/2006
Subject: Re: AFCC BUT WHEN ??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41140	From: beebear	Date: 7/26/2006
Subject: EBay emails - off subject - end the complaints
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41141	From: Mike Rosz	Date: 7/26/2006
Subject: Re: Sunday Chat, 7/23/2006, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41142	From: Phil K	Date: 7/26/2006
Subject: Updating the updates on Sgt. Ben Thompson
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41143	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 7/26/2006
Subject: Re: EBay emails - off subject - end the complaints
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41144	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 7/26/2006
Subject: Re: EBay emails - off subject - end the complaints
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41145	From: Phil K	Date: 7/26/2006
Subject: Re: EBay emails - off subject - end the complaints
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41146	From: muniman18	Date: 7/26/2006
Subject: back on line
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41147	From: frank emiro	Date: 7/26/2006
Subject: Re: AFCC BUT WHEN ??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41148	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 7/26/2006
Subject: Re: EBay emails - off subject - end the complaints
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41149	From: beebear	Date: 7/26/2006
Subject: Re: EBay emails - off subject - end the complaints
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41150	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 7/26/2006
Subject: Re: EBay emails - off subject - end the complaints
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41151	From: Gregg	Date: 7/26/2006
Subject: Re: Flyonel 6-48136 Sante Fe PA1 B unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41152	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 7/27/2006
Subject: Re: EBay emails - off subject - end the complaints
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41153	From: Jay E. Mellon	Date: 7/27/2006
Subject: NASG Convention
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41154	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 7/28/2006
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} NASG Convention
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41155	From: dr21244	Date: 7/28/2006
Subject: Re: Selling AF Collection
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41156	From: lynnshouse2000	Date: 7/28/2006
Subject: Track Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41157	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 7/28/2006
Subject: Re: Link Couplers - Problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41158	From: Bill Porter	Date: 7/28/2006
Subject: Re: Selling AF Collection
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41159	From: Roy Inman	Date: 7/28/2006
Subject: Re: Selling AF Collection
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41160	From: louis glumac	Date: 7/28/2006
Subject: PLASTICVILLE FOR SALE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41161	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 7/28/2006
Subject: Re;Track Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41162	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 7/28/2006
Subject: Re: Selling AF Collection
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41163	From: Roy Inman	Date: 7/29/2006
Subject: FW: AF track new stuff-correction
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41164	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 7/29/2006
Subject: Re: Lionel 2006 Catalog Volume 2 Slim Picking
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41165	From: Roy Inman	Date: 7/29/2006
Subject: AF track new stuff
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41166	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 7/29/2006
Subject: The National Convention - next week
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41167	From: David Dewey	Date: 7/29/2006
Subject: New Flyonel online
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41168	From: Roy Inman	Date: 7/29/2006
Subject: Re: Lionel 2006 Catalog Volume 2 Slim Picking
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41169	From: Scott Holm	Date: 7/29/2006
Subject: Re: AF track new stuff
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41170	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 7/29/2006
Subject: Fw: Cathleen Carver has just sent you $15.00 USD with PayPal
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41171	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 7/29/2006
Subject: Sunday Chat, 7/30/2006, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41172	From: trainrns@aol.com	Date: 7/29/2006
Subject: American Flyer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41173	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 7/29/2006
Subject: Fw: NASG Convention
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41174	From: Eric R.	Date: 7/29/2006
Subject: Re: Reply to potential Pay-Pal scam info email
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41175	From: Roy Inman	Date: 7/29/2006
Subject: Re: AF track new stuff
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41176	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 7/30/2006
Subject: Re: Reply to potential Pay-Pal scam info email
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41177	From: Roy Inman	Date: 7/30/2006
Subject: Lehigh Valley model kits
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41178	From: Phil K	Date: 7/30/2006
Subject: Sgt. Ben Thompson coming home
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41179	From: John Foley	Date: 7/30/2006
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Lehigh Valley model kits
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41180	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 7/30/2006
Subject: Re: Reply to potential Pay-Pal scam info email
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41181	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 7/30/2006
Subject: Re: Reply to potential Pay-Pal scam info email
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41182	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 7/30/2006
Subject: GOOFED - FORGIVE ME
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41183	From: ken garber	Date: 7/30/2006
Subject: Pontiac Convention Weather
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41184	From: NASG Library	Date: 7/31/2006
Subject: Mobley Library closure
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41185	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 7/31/2006
Subject: Re: AF track new stuff
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41186	From: Russ Dondero	Date: 7/31/2006
Subject: Flyonel Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41187	From: Phil K	Date: 7/31/2006
Subject: The best news about Sgt. Ben Thompson so far
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41188	From: jimmack300	Date: 7/31/2006
Subject: Help with California Roadbed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41189	From: Mark Preman	Date: 7/31/2006
Subject: American Flyer Trains for Sale - Your EBAY Altenative
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41190	From: Roy Inman	Date: 7/31/2006
Subject: Re: Flyonel Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41191	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 7/31/2006
Subject: How do you clean bakelite transformer housings?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41192	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 7/31/2006
Subject: Flyonel "Mikes" Question & offer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41193	From: Robert Graves	Date: 7/31/2006
Subject: Re: How do you clean bakelite transformer housings?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41194	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 7/31/2006
Subject: Re: KLine Heinz 57 Box Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41195	From: Robert Graves	Date: 8/1/2006
Subject: Fwd: Re: [S-Trains] How do you clean bakelite transformer housings?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41196	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 8/1/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 3131
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41197	From: Phil K	Date: 8/1/2006
Subject: Tables going quickly for Fall S Fest
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41198	From: Jim McCreery	Date: 8/1/2006
Subject: Re: Help with California Roadbed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41199	From: Bill Porter	Date: 8/1/2006
Subject: Classic Toy Trains Book
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41200	From: Roy Inman	Date: 8/1/2006
Subject: Re: Help with California Roadbed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41201	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 8/1/2006
Subject: Re: LTI GP-9's BURLINGTON's FOR SALE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41202	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/1/2006
Subject: Re: Help with California Roadbed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41203	From: lember2004	Date: 8/1/2006
Subject: ? about running hayjector/tiejector on regular Gilbert AF track lay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41204	From: donabrams@comcast.net	Date: 8/1/2006
Subject: New Lionel catalog
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41205	From: Phil K	Date: 8/1/2006
Subject: Re: Classic Toy Trains Book
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41206	From: Phil K	Date: 8/1/2006
Subject: Why no one is talking about the Alco RS3
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41207	From: Roy Inman	Date: 8/1/2006
Subject: Re: New Lionel catalog
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41208	From: Roy Inman	Date: 8/1/2006
Subject: Re: Classic Toy Trains Book
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41209	From: Roy Inman	Date: 8/2/2006
Subject: Re: Why no one is talking about the Alco RS3
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41210	From: biglou2_99	Date: 8/2/2006
Subject: FOR SALE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41211	From: Phil K	Date: 8/2/2006
Subject: Re: Classic Toy Trains Book
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41212	From: lember2004	Date: 8/2/2006
Subject: Re: ? about running hayjector/tiejector on regular Gilbert AF track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41213	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 8/3/2006
Subject: OT - Need to fix some worn stairs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41214	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 8/3/2006
Subject: Failed mail address -- Portlines
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41215	From: Roy Inman	Date: 8/3/2006
Subject: Re: Failed mail address -- Portlines
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41216	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 8/4/2006
Subject: EBAY SCAM
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41217	From: donabrams@comcast.net	Date: 8/4/2006
Subject: Re: New Lionel catalog
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41218	From: hugoroundhouse	Date: 8/4/2006
Subject: Lead weights
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41219	From: donabrams@comcast.net	Date: 8/4/2006
Subject: Mikado repair update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41220	From: Phil K	Date: 8/4/2006
Subject: Re: Mikado repair update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41221	From: Phil K	Date: 8/4/2006
Subject: Sgt. Ben is home and in good condition
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41222	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/4/2006
Subject: EBAY MADDNESS!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41223	From: mtoytrain@bellsouth.net	Date: 8/4/2006
Subject: Re: EBAY MADDNESS!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41224	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 8/4/2006
Subject: Re: AF LTI JACK FROST TANK CARS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41225	From: frank emiro	Date: 8/4/2006
Subject: Re: EBAY MADDNESS!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41226	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 8/4/2006
Subject: Re: JACK FROST E-BAY LISTING
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41227	From: lember2004	Date: 8/4/2006
Subject: Is there much Gilbert AF at Cal-Stewart?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41228	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 8/4/2006
Subject: Re: JACK FROST POST CORRECTION
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41229	From: Lawrence Schliessmann	Date: 8/4/2006
Subject: FW: s-scale trains and ebay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41230	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 8/4/2006
Subject: Re: Is there much Gilbert AF at Cal-Stewart?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41231	From: Antonides, Frank I	Date: 8/4/2006
Subject: Re: Is there much Gilbert AF at Cal-Stewart?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41232	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 8/5/2006
Subject: Sunday Chat, 8/6/2006, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41233	From: sdsailman	Date: 8/6/2006
Subject: A Little Help . . . . .
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41234	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 8/6/2006
Subject: National Convention
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41235	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 8/6/2006
Subject: Two questions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41236	From: hobo47203	Date: 8/6/2006
Subject: Thank You to the SMSG
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41237	From: Mark Preman	Date: 8/7/2006
Subject: SALE - 25% off FLYONEL
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41238	From: Doug Peck	Date: 8/7/2006
Subject: Re: Failed mail address -- Portlines
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41239	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 8/7/2006
Subject: Rooms
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41240	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 8/7/2006
Subject: Re: Rooms
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41241	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 8/7/2006
Subject: Found at the Pontiac Coinvention
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41242	From: lember2004	Date: 8/8/2006
Subject: Re: A Little Help . . . . .
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41243	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 8/8/2006
Subject: Sn3 clinic is on-line
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41244	From: Gerry Evans dba Best of Show Model Build	Date: 8/8/2006
Subject: NASG Citrus Shed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41245	From: Greg Elems	Date: 8/8/2006
Subject: Closing Poll for S brass question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41246	From: Gerry Evans dba Best of Show Model Build	Date: 8/8/2006
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} NASG Citrus Shed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41247	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 8/8/2006
Subject: Lionel American Flyer First Edition UP Northern
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41248	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 8/9/2006
Subject: Re: Lionel American Flyer First Edition UP Northern[S-Trains] Diges
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41249	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 8/9/2006
Subject: Re: Lionel American Flyer First Edition UP Northern
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41250	From: frank emiro	Date: 8/9/2006
Subject: Re: Lionel American Flyer First Edition UP Northern[S-Trains] Diges
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41251	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 8/9/2006
Subject: I was attacked by the Mothman!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41252	From: Roy Inman	Date: 8/9/2006
Subject: S scale speeder
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41253	From: Doug Peck	Date: 8/9/2006
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} NASG Citrus Shed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41254	From: Gerry Evans dba Best of Show Model Build	Date: 8/10/2006
Subject: Citrus Shed Pricing News
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41255	From: Bill Lane	Date: 8/10/2006
Subject: Alco Soundtraxx sound unit wanted
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41256	From: Bill Lane	Date: 8/10/2006
Subject: 2006 NASG Convention
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41257	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 8/10/2006
Subject: 2006 NASG Convention
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41258	From: bandmancwc	Date: 8/10/2006
Subject: New items
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41259	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 8/11/2006
Subject: Fw: Found at the Pontiac Coinvention
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41260	From: Bill Clark	Date: 8/11/2006
Subject: Update on SSgt Ben Thompson's recovery
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41261	From: Phil K	Date: 8/11/2006
Subject: GREAT NEWS ABOUT SGT. BEN and PHOTOS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41262	From: Bill Adams	Date: 8/11/2006
Subject: Wiring Help!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41263	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 8/11/2006
Subject: Re: GREAT NEWS ABOUT SGT. BEN and PHOTOS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41264	From: Alex	Date: 8/11/2006
Subject: Florida trip
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41265	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 8/11/2006
Subject: Re: GREAT NEWS ABOUT SGT. BEN and PHOTOS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41266	From: Bill Lane	Date: 8/12/2006
Subject: Pfaudler decals needed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41267	From: John Foley	Date: 8/12/2006
Subject: NASG Promotions Committee
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41268	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 8/12/2006
Subject: Sunday Chat, 8/13/2006, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41269	From: Pete Henningsen	Date: 8/13/2006
Subject: Special US Armed Forces/ Iraqi Freedom car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41270	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 8/13/2006
Subject: Can motor special
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41271	From: Jay E. Mellon	Date: 8/13/2006
Subject: 2006 NASG Convention Acknowledgments
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41272	From: Jay E. Mellon	Date: 8/13/2006
Subject: Reflections on the 2006 NASG Convention
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41273	From: ken garber	Date: 8/13/2006
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Reflections on the 2006 NASG Convention
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41274	From: jnr59@aol.com	Date: 8/13/2006
Subject: SHS and AM Freight Cars For Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41275	From: lynnshouse2000	Date: 8/14/2006
Subject: Houston Area Shops
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41276	From: Mark Preman	Date: 8/14/2006
Subject: American Flyer Trains New List and 25% OFF Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41277	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 8/14/2006
Subject: LIONEL AMERICAN FLYER
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41278	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 8/14/2006
Subject: LTI FLYER GP-9's
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41279	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 8/14/2006
Subject: LTI ERROR
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41280	From: douglasgips@aol.com	Date: 8/14/2006
Subject: Re: Houston Area Train Shops
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41281	From: Steve & Cathy Pendleton	Date: 8/15/2006
Subject: Operator grade collection for sale in Atlanta
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41282	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/16/2006
Subject: Fw: Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41283	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/16/2006
Subject: Train Set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41284	From: ruth.leahy@colorado.edu	Date: 8/16/2006
Subject: For Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41285	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 8/16/2006
Subject: Pontiac Convention Lost & Found, Last Call
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41286	From: Gregg Mummert	Date: 8/17/2006
Subject: FW: NASG Pontiac Convention Photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41287	From: Keith Blanchard	Date: 8/17/2006
Subject: New Hazmat Detail Parts, Pine Canyon News Advert
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41288	From: James Hannawald	Date: 8/17/2006
Subject: Prototype caboose
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41289	From: jnr59@aol.com	Date: 8/17/2006
Subject: Last Call for Remaining SHS and AM freight cars still for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41290	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 8/18/2006
Subject: Re: FW: NASG Pontiac Convention Photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41291	From: jnr59@aol.com	Date: 8/18/2006
Subject: Wanted to purchase: SHS B&O 2-Bay Hopper
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41292	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/18/2006
Subject: Train set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41293	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 8/18/2006
Subject: Re: Prototype caboose
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41294	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 8/19/2006
Subject: The curse of electronics?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41295	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 8/19/2006
Subject: Re: The curse of electronics?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41296	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 8/19/2006
Subject: Re: The curse of electronics?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41297	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 8/19/2006
Subject: Re: The curse of electronics?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41298	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 8/19/2006
Subject: Re: The curse of electronics?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41299	From: Rick Evans	Date: 8/19/2006
Subject: Re: The curse of electronics?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41300	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 8/19/2006
Subject: Re: The curse of electronics?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41301	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 8/19/2006
Subject: Re: The curse of electronics?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41302	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 8/19/2006
Subject: New Northerns
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41303	From: David Girson	Date: 8/19/2006
Subject: Union Pacific Diesel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41304	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 8/19/2006
Subject: Re: The curse of electronics?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41305	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 8/19/2006
Subject: The curse of electronics? Part III
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41306	From: Bill Adams	Date: 8/19/2006
Subject: LED Lamps
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41307	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 8/20/2006
Subject: Re: LED Lamps
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41308	From: geep39	Date: 8/20/2006
Subject: Re: AF Caboose Prototype
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41309	From: Gerald Dobbs	Date: 8/20/2006
Subject: Re: The curse of electronics?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41310	From: Robert E. Yablonski	Date: 8/20/2006
Subject: The Curse of Electronics
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41311	From: Bruce D. Willis	Date: 8/20/2006
Subject: Re: The curse of electronics?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41312	From: Gerry Evans dba Best of Show Model Build	Date: 8/20/2006
Subject: Re: LED Lamps
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41313	From: James Siverling	Date: 8/20/2006
Subject: Re: LED Lamps
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41314	From: Roy Inman	Date: 8/21/2006
Subject: Help! One30 conversion
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41315	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 8/21/2006
Subject: Re: NEED E-BAY HELP
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41316	From: Rick Evans	Date: 8/21/2006
Subject: Re: Help! One30 conversion
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41317	From: Robert Graves	Date: 8/21/2006
Subject: Re: NEED E-BAY HELP
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41318	From: Ironhorse	Date: 8/21/2006
Subject: Re: Can motor special ?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41319	From: ken garber	Date: 8/21/2006
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Re: [S-Trains] Help! One30 conversion
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41320	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 8/21/2006
Subject: Re: HELP
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41321	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 8/21/2006
Subject: Re: Can motor special ?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41322	From: Roy Inman	Date: 8/21/2006
Subject: Thanks,re: On30 help
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41323	From: T Larson	Date: 8/22/2006
Subject: Wanted
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41324	From: jnr59@aol.com	Date: 8/22/2006
Subject: Only 3 freight cars left for sale: 2 SHS, 1 AM
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41325	From: sootkid	Date: 8/22/2006
Subject: TRADE SHS PARTS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41326	From: Gerald Dobbs	Date: 8/23/2006
Subject: On30
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41327	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 8/24/2006
Subject: On30 conversions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41328	From: Sam Blum	Date: 8/24/2006
Subject: motor time?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41329	From: plasticvilleking	Date: 8/24/2006
Subject: S-Gauge layout. pros and cons
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41330	From: Rick Evans	Date: 8/24/2006
Subject: Re: On30 conversions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41331	From: Robert Graves	Date: 8/24/2006
Subject: Re: S-Gauge layout. pros and cons
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41332	From: Roy Inman	Date: 8/25/2006
Subject: Re: S-Gauge layout. pros and cons
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41333	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 8/25/2006
Subject: Re: S-Gauge layout. pros and cons
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41334	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 8/25/2006
Subject: Re: S-Gauge layout. pros and cons
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41335	From: SnSTrains@aol.com	Date: 8/25/2006
Subject: Can motor close out reminder.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41336	From: Steven Allen	Date: 8/25/2006
Subject: Great Northern SW-9 For Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41337	From: Velapoldi's	Date: 8/25/2006
Subject: NASG in Baltimore
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41338	From: John Foley	Date: 8/25/2006
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} NASG in Baltimore
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41339	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 8/25/2006
Subject: Re,S gauge layouts;pros and cons
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41340	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 8/25/2006
Subject: Re: Re,S gauge layouts;pros and cons
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41341	From: rodgercunningham	Date: 8/25/2006
Subject: Custom layout pros and cons
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41342	From: RCESpeak	Date: 8/26/2006
Subject: S-Gauge PROs and CONs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41343	From: Robert Graves	Date: 8/26/2006
Subject: Pictures needed: Long-truck Pullman Heavyweights
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41344	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 8/26/2006
Subject: Sunday Chat, 8/27/2006, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41345	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 8/26/2006
Subject: Re: RON LEVINGTON
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41346	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 8/26/2006
Subject: Do we need die cast?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41347	From: Ron Inscho	Date: 8/26/2006
Subject: LEVENTON HOBBY SUPPLY
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41348	From: Phil K	Date: 8/26/2006
Subject: Re: Do we need die cast?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41349	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 8/26/2006
Subject: Re: Do we need die cast?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41350	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 8/26/2006
Subject: Re: THANKS FOR RON LEVINGTON
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41351	From: jnr59@aol.com	Date: 8/27/2006
Subject: Wanted: SHS Fruit Growers Express Reefer/Reefers from 3-car set #695
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41352	From: beebear	Date: 8/27/2006
Subject: Remote switches
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41353	From: beebear	Date: 8/27/2006
Subject: curved AF track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41354	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 8/27/2006
Subject: Layout Pictures!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41355	From: muphythekid	Date: 8/27/2006
Subject: Re; Custom layouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41356	From: beebear	Date: 8/27/2006
Subject: AF Switches
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41357	From: David Dewey	Date: 8/27/2006
Subject: Flyonel Northern, heavyweights, PIC anywhere??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41358	From: Rick Evans	Date: 8/27/2006
Subject: Re: Layout Pictures!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41359	From: Phil K	Date: 8/27/2006
Subject: Re: Re; Custom layouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41360	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 8/27/2006
Subject: LAYOUT PLAN
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41361	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 8/27/2006
Subject: Re: Re; Custom layouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41362	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 8/27/2006
Subject: Re: Flyonel Northern, heavyweights, PIC anywhere??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41363	From: Robert Graves	Date: 8/27/2006
Subject: Re: Flyonel Northern, heavyweights, PIC anywhere??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41364	From: beebear	Date: 8/28/2006
Subject: Uncoupler Bonanza box sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41365	From: beebear	Date: 8/28/2006
Subject: Track and switches
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41366	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 8/28/2006
Subject: K-Lionel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41367	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 8/28/2006
Subject: Guess we need Terry Putt
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41368	From: Alex Sibbald	Date: 8/28/2006
Subject: K-Lionel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41369	From: beebear	Date: 8/29/2006
Subject: More switches
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41370	From: Mark Preman	Date: 8/29/2006
Subject: AmericanFlyerTrains.com (The Business) is For Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41371	From: Eric Child	Date: 8/29/2006
Subject: Re: More switches
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41372	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 8/29/2006
Subject: Re: 930 CABOOSE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41373	From: plasticvilleking	Date: 8/29/2006
Subject: THANKS!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41374	From: Bruce D. Willis	Date: 8/30/2006
Subject: Re: More switches - Early activating track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41375	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 8/30/2006
Subject: Re: More switches - Early activating track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41376	From: John Foley	Date: 8/30/2006
Subject: S Building flats
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41377	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 8/31/2006
Subject: Re: Shipment arrives
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41378	From: lember2004	Date: 8/31/2006
Subject: PCC streetcar in S?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41379	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 8/31/2006
Subject: Re: PCC streetcar in S?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41380	From: Keith	Date: 8/31/2006
Subject: Looking for a Parts supplier
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41381	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 8/31/2006
Subject: Re: PCC streetcar in S?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41382	From: Bill Lyon	Date: 8/31/2006
Subject: PA Side Frames
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41383	From: Patrick McElroy	Date: 9/1/2006
Subject: Crazy ebay items - What are they?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41384	From: lember2004	Date: 9/1/2006
Subject: replies to my PCC in S question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41385	From: Ron Inscho	Date: 9/1/2006
Subject: Re: Crazy ebay items - What are they?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41386	From: Knight, Gene	Date: 9/1/2006
Subject: Re: Crazy ebay items - What are they?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41387	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 9/1/2006
Subject: Re: Crazy ebay items - What are they?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41388	From: velapoldi	Date: 9/1/2006
Subject: help?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41389	From: edzdan	Date: 9/1/2006
Subject: NETCA 2005 boxcar
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41390	From: mkt1992	Date: 9/1/2006
Subject: Remotered & DCC Decodered Flyer Engines Available
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41391	From: Art Shifrin	Date: 9/2/2006
Subject: ebay 300022221236
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41392	From: T Larson	Date: 9/2/2006
Subject: Airslide
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41393	From: Furmanak, Stan	Date: 9/2/2006
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Airslide
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41394	From: faltrain5	Date: 9/2/2006
Subject: I was reading the history of lionel and then american flyers and ge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41395	From: faltrain5	Date: 9/2/2006
Subject: Does anybody know of any good auction sites for post-war flyer trai
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41396	From: Phil K	Date: 9/2/2006
Subject: Re: Does anybody know of any good auction sites for post-war flyer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41397	From: Art Shifrin	Date: 9/2/2006
Subject: AF 3/16s O Northern 571 + 657cC chugging tender
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41398	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 9/2/2006
Subject: Sunday Chat, 9/3/2006, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41399	From: geep39	Date: 9/2/2006
Subject: Weird eBay items
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41400	From: geep39	Date: 9/2/2006
Subject: Airslide--YES!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41401	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 9/3/2006
Subject: Re: Weird eBay items
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41402	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 9/3/2006
Subject: Re;Does anyone know of any good auctions sites for post war Flyer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41403	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 9/3/2006
Subject: Re;Weird eBay items
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41404	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 9/3/2006
Subject: Re: Re;Weird eBay items and Blue Katy Boxcars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41405	From: Roy Inman	Date: 9/3/2006
Subject: Re: Re;Weird eBay items
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41406	From: Phil K	Date: 9/3/2006
Subject: I've paid top dollar ... for some items. For others ... not
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41407	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 9/3/2006
Subject: Finding FLYER
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41408	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 9/3/2006
Subject: weird items..... alterations
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41409	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 9/3/2006
Subject: Re: weird items..... alterations
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41410	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 9/3/2006
Subject: Finding FLYER
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41411	From: beebear	Date: 9/3/2006
Subject: Last call on the uncoupler box
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41412	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 9/4/2006
Subject: Labor Day (off topic)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41413	From: Dale Smith	Date: 9/4/2006
Subject: Re: Crazy ebay items - What are they?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41414	From: T Larson	Date: 9/4/2006
Subject: [Fwd: Airslide]
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41415	From: muphythekid	Date: 9/4/2006
Subject: Question. (A little of the wall)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41416	From: keefer1	Date: 9/4/2006
Subject: Kris cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41417	From: Rick Evans	Date: 9/4/2006
Subject: Re: Labor Day (off topic)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41418	From: ken garber	Date: 9/4/2006
Subject: Re: Question. (A little of the wall)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41419	From: Rick Evans	Date: 9/4/2006
Subject: Re: Labor Day (off topic)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41420	From: Rick Evans	Date: 9/4/2006
Subject: Photo albums
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41421	From: Knight, Gene	Date: 9/4/2006
Subject: Re: Kris cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41422	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 9/5/2006
Subject: Re: "Ebay alternative" "Available S Gauge"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41423	From: Mark Preman	Date: 9/6/2006
Subject: American Flyer Trains for Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41424	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 9/6/2006
Subject: So you think eBay prices are high
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41425	From: toymyb	Date: 9/6/2006
Subject: TTOS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41426	From: Phil K	Date: 9/7/2006
Subject: Re: So you think eBay prices are high
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41427	From: faltrain5	Date: 9/7/2006
Subject: Hey guys I just started a group and looking for some wanters.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41428	From: rebendever	Date: 9/7/2006
Subject: 'Call for 2007 S/Sn Events Around the World.'
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41429	From: George Cohn	Date: 9/7/2006
Subject: Re: So you think eBay prices are high
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41430	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 9/7/2006
Subject: NEW - A Christmas Car and Other Things from SHS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41431	From: Phil K	Date: 9/7/2006
Subject: Re: Hey guys I just started a group and looking for some wanters.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41432	From: Ed	Date: 9/7/2006
Subject: Re: Hey guys I just started a group and looking for some wanters.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41433	From: Rick Evans	Date: 9/7/2006
Subject: Re: NEW - A Christmas Car and Other Things from SHS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41434	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 9/8/2006
Subject: Re;Hey guys I just started a new group and looking for some wanters
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41435	From: lember2004	Date: 9/8/2006
Subject: Question about 23763 PikeMaster era track trip
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41436	From: Roy Inman	Date: 9/8/2006
Subject: Re: Hey guys I just started a group and looking for some wanters.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41437	From: Rick Evans	Date: 9/8/2006
Subject: Re: Hey guys I just started a group and looking for some wanters.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41438	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 9/8/2006
Subject: NEW GROUP
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41439	From: Mark Preman	Date: 9/8/2006
Subject: 20% Off Sale on American Flyer Trains and Accessories
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41440	From: Phil K	Date: 9/8/2006
Subject: Re: NEW GROUP
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41441	From: George Cohn	Date: 9/8/2006
Subject: Re: NEW GROUP
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41442	From: Bill	Date: 9/8/2006
Subject: Lehigh Valley S gaugers Roundtable Website
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41443	From: geep39	Date: 9/9/2006
Subject: New AF Groups--We Need More!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41444	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 9/9/2006
Subject: Re: BAKELITE REPAIR
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41445	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 9/9/2006
Subject: new train group question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41447	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 9/9/2006
Subject: WARNING!!!!!! E-BAY ITEM
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41448	From: Phil K	Date: 9/9/2006
Subject: NEW GROUP: Lets look at the numbers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41449	From: Rick Evans	Date: 9/9/2006
Subject: Re: NEW GROUP: Lets look at the numbers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41450	From: burkhardt1938	Date: 9/9/2006
Subject: Reverse loop wiring
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41451	From: FEZANDPAZ@aol.com	Date: 9/9/2006
Subject: Re: NEW GROUP: Lets look at the numbers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41452	From: T Larson	Date: 9/9/2006
Subject: SWIFT
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41453	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 9/9/2006
Subject: Train Humor
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41454	From: theheadliner	Date: 9/9/2006
Subject: Re: BAKELITE REPAIR
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41455	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 9/9/2006
Subject: Sunday Chat, 9/10/2006, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41456	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 9/9/2006
Subject: Harold and Maude
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41457	From: Bruce D. Willis	Date: 9/9/2006
Subject: Box Car with Windows?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41458	From: velapoldi	Date: 9/10/2006
Subject: Re: NEW GROUP: Lets look at the numbers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41459	From: Alex Sibbald	Date: 9/10/2006
Subject: Re: Box Car with Windows?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41460	From: Robert Graves	Date: 9/10/2006
Subject: Re: Box Car with Windows?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41461	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 9/10/2006
Subject: Re: NEW GROUP: Lets look at the numbers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41462	From: BENJAMIN PERRY	Date: 9/10/2006
Subject: Re: Box Car with Windows?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41463	From: muphythekid	Date: 9/10/2006
Subject: Smoke Fluid
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41464	From: Gerald Dobbs	Date: 9/10/2006
Subject: Reverse loop wiring
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41465	From: velapoldi	Date: 9/10/2006
Subject: Re: seller
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41466	From: Rick Evans	Date: 9/10/2006
Subject: Re: Smoke Fluid
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41467	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 9/10/2006
Subject: Re: SMOKE FLUID
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41468	From: Phil K	Date: 9/10/2006
Subject: Re: NEW GROUP: Lets look at the numbers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41469	From: Phil K	Date: 9/10/2006
Subject: Re: SMOKE FLUID
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41470	From: Rick Evans	Date: 9/10/2006
Subject: Re: SMOKE FLUID
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41471	From: Rick Evans	Date: 9/10/2006
Subject: Re: NEW GROUP: Lets look at the numbers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41472	From: kenwoodies1	Date: 9/10/2006
Subject: Re: Boxcar with windows
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41473	From: bimorph	Date: 9/10/2006
Subject: American Flyer, Plasticville for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41474	From: Robert Graves	Date: 9/11/2006
Subject: Fwd: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Boxcar with windows
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41475	From: jt12313	Date: 9/11/2006
Subject: Folding/modular s layouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41476	From: kenwoodies1	Date: 9/11/2006
Subject: Fwd: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Boxcar with windows
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41477	From: Charles E. Smith	Date: 9/11/2006
Subject: Re: Folding/modular s layouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41478	From: Howard Sheffield	Date: 9/11/2006
Subject: Re: Folding/modular s layouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41479	From: Donald Munsey Jr.	Date: 9/12/2006
Subject: Re: Folding/modular s layouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41480	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 9/12/2006
Subject: Re: Tsunami sound DCC 2-8-0s
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41481	From: T Larson	Date: 9/12/2006
Subject: SFRD
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41482	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 9/12/2006
Subject: Re;Folding/modular layouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41483	From: Phil K	Date: 9/12/2006
Subject: Fwd: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Boxcar with windows
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41484	From: Phil K	Date: 9/12/2006
Subject: Now he's selling a never-made "AF Car Wash"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41485	From: Gerald Dobbs	Date: 9/12/2006
Subject: (no subject)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41486	From: Keith Blanchard	Date: 9/12/2006
Subject: Pine Canyon News Advert
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41487	From: cliffgarz@aol.com	Date: 9/13/2006
Subject: Re: Carwash
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41488	From: Mark Preman	Date: 9/13/2006
Subject: AF Train Business For Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41489	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 9/13/2006
Subject: Re: Now he's selling a never-made "AF Car Wash"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41490	From: N Becker	Date: 9/13/2006
Subject: Car Washer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41491	From: keefer1	Date: 9/13/2006
Subject: car wash
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41492	From: romoyer@att.net	Date: 9/13/2006
Subject: Question on Flyonel C&O Diesels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41493	From: Howard Sheffield	Date: 9/13/2006
Subject: Re: Carwash
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41494	From: Phil K	Date: 9/13/2006
Subject: Re: Question on Flyonel C&O Diesels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41495	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 9/13/2006
Subject: Re: Question on Flyonel C&O Diesels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41496	From: bobcom52	Date: 9/13/2006
Subject: Flange depth
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41497	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 9/13/2006
Subject: Re: Flange depth
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41498	From: Gale Hall	Date: 9/14/2006
Subject: Old Dominion Doubles Toys by DG
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41499	From: Bill Lane	Date: 9/14/2006
Subject: Central Jersey S Scalers Get Together
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41500	From: James Hannawald	Date: 9/14/2006
Subject: Re: car wash
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41501	From: Gerald Dobbs	Date: 9/14/2006
Subject: Improving PA operation
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41502	From: Phil K	Date: 9/14/2006
Subject: Re: Improving PA operation
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41503	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 9/14/2006
Subject: Re: car wash
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41504	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 9/14/2006
Subject: Re: Car Washer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41505	From: SnSTrains@aol.com	Date: 9/14/2006
Subject: New products update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41506	From: WEG138@aol.com	Date: 9/15/2006
Subject: Re: A question about a contest
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41507	From: N Becker	Date: 9/15/2006
Subject: Re: Car Washer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41508	From: Gerald Dobbs	Date: 9/15/2006
Subject: Wiring PS's
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41509	From: lember2004	Date: 9/15/2006
Subject: photocopy of M2817 AF Farm Cardstock Instructions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41510	From: strain97009	Date: 9/15/2006
Subject: Up-comming All Brass Model Show and Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41511	From: Keith Blanchard	Date: 9/15/2006
Subject: Pine Canyon Free Shipping Advert
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41512	From: muphythekid	Date: 9/15/2006
Subject: Cleaning track and wheels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41513	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 9/15/2006
Subject: Re: Cleaning track and wheels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41514	From: Phil K	Date: 9/16/2006
Subject: Re: Cleaning track and wheels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41515	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 9/16/2006
Subject: Sunday Chat, 9/17/2006, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41516	From: Phil K	Date: 9/16/2006
Subject: Fall S Fest in Chicago is only seven weeks away!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41517	From: Roy Inman	Date: 9/17/2006
Subject: Re: Cleaning track and wheels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41518	From: Roy Inman	Date: 9/17/2006
Subject: FW: [toytrains] Lionel's had no blunders??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41519	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 9/17/2006
Subject: S Micro layout problems
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41520	From: lampert5@earthlink.net	Date: 9/17/2006
Subject: How to change Email
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41521	From: mvandiver2@aol.com	Date: 9/17/2006
Subject: (no subject)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41522	From: myflyertrains	Date: 9/17/2006
Subject: Finally Got to updating my Website, MyFlyerTrains.org
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41523	From: Phil K	Date: 9/17/2006
Subject: An interesting thread from OGR about a new S convert
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41524	From: Don	Date: 9/17/2006
Subject: S-N-S
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41525	From: Doug Peck	Date: 9/17/2006
Subject: Re: Boxcar with windows
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41526	From: Doug Peck	Date: 9/17/2006
Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Boxcar with windows
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41527	From: Doug Peck	Date: 9/17/2006
Subject: Re: Carwash
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41528	From: faltrain5	Date: 9/18/2006
Subject: Train shows????
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41529	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 9/18/2006
Subject: TMCC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41530	From: Phil K	Date: 9/18/2006
Subject: Re: Train shows????
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41531	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 9/18/2006
Subject: Re: Train shows????
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41532	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 9/18/2006
Subject: Re: Train shows????
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41533	From: Rick Evans	Date: 9/18/2006
Subject: Re: Train shows????
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41534	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 9/18/2006
Subject: Re: Train shows????
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41535	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 9/18/2006
Subject: Re: FAQ the 2-8-0 smoke unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41536	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 9/18/2006
Subject: Re: Fall S Fest in Chicago is only seven weeks away!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41537	From: faltrain5	Date: 9/19/2006
Subject: Reply on train shows.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41538	From: Roy Inman	Date: 9/19/2006
Subject: Re: S cars on Chas. Ro
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41539	From: Phil K	Date: 9/19/2006
Subject: S Fest banquet is Nov. 4, not Nov. 5
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41540	From: Phil K	Date: 9/19/2006
Subject: Re: S cars on Chas. Ro
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41541	From: Rollain Mercier	Date: 9/19/2006
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Re: S cars on Chas. Ro
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41542	From: Clay Kinsner	Date: 9/19/2006
Subject: Re: Train shows????
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41543	From: Roy Inman	Date: 9/19/2006
Subject: Re: S cars on Chas. Ro
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41544	From: Gerald Dobbs	Date: 9/19/2006
Subject: Warning about LIONEL
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41545	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 9/19/2006
Subject: Re: Reply on train shows.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41546	From: John Foley	Date: 9/19/2006
Subject: S Street Lights
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41547	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 9/19/2006
Subject: train shows in PA
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41548	From: daysend40	Date: 9/19/2006
Subject: Sound Unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41549	From: RCESpeak	Date: 9/19/2006
Subject: Post of Updated Photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41550	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 9/19/2006
Subject: train shows in PA
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41551	From: Alan and Sherry Bennett	Date: 9/19/2006
Subject: Re: Post of Updated Photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41552	From: Mark Preman	Date: 9/20/2006
Subject: Last Days of the 20% Off Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41553	From: Al Baker	Date: 9/20/2006
Subject: American Models Pass. Car Quality
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41554	From: RCESpeak	Date: 9/20/2006
Subject: York
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41555	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 9/20/2006
Subject: Re: American Models Pass. Car Quality
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41556	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 9/20/2006
Subject: Re: American Models Pass. Car Quality
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41557	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 9/20/2006
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} New trend?.....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41558	From: Roy Inman	Date: 9/20/2006
Subject: Re: American Models Pass. Car Quality
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41559	From: Roy Inman	Date: 9/20/2006
Subject: Re: American Models Pass. Car Quality
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41560	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 9/20/2006
Subject: Re: BUDD CARS & BILL PARR
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41561	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 9/20/2006
Subject: Budd Passenger Cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41562	From: Roy Inman	Date: 9/20/2006
Subject: Re: Post of Updated Photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41563	From: Alex	Date: 9/20/2006
Subject: Re: American Models Pass. Car Quality
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41564	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 9/20/2006
Subject: Pass Cars for Southern Railway Flyonel Mikado (4501) & SHS Consolid
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41565	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 9/20/2006
Subject: Re: AM Pass. Car Quality / S GAUGE's MOST SUCCESSFUL PROJECT !
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41566	From: Ed Eckert	Date: 9/20/2006
Subject: Ringling Bros Circus Train in San Jose, 2006
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41567	From: Roy Inman	Date: 9/20/2006
Subject: Re: BUDD CARS & BILL PARR
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41568	From: Al Baker	Date: 9/20/2006
Subject: American Models Pass. Car Quality
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41569	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 9/20/2006
Subject: Re: AM Pass. Car Quality / S GAUGE's MOST SUCCESSFUL PROJECT !
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41570	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 9/20/2006
Subject: Re: American Models Pass. Car Quality
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41571	From: Roy Inman	Date: 9/20/2006
Subject: Re: AM Pass. Car Quality / S GAUGE's MOST SUCCESSFUL PROJECT !
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41572	From: Al Baker	Date: 9/21/2006
Subject: American Models Pass. Car Quality
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41573	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 9/21/2006
Subject: Re;American Models pass. car quality
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41574	From: Charles E. Smith	Date: 9/21/2006
Subject: Re: American Models Pass. Car Quality
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41575	From: Rhett T. George	Date: 9/21/2006
Subject: Goodbye
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41576	From: Phil K	Date: 9/21/2006
Subject: Re: American Models Pass. Car Quality
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41577	From: THOMAS E HILLERY	Date: 9/21/2006
Subject: Fw: Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 3181
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41578	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 9/21/2006
Subject: Re: American Models Pass. Car Quality
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41579	From: detmer@charter.net	Date: 9/21/2006
Subject: Re: American Models Pass. Car Quality
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41580	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 9/21/2006
Subject: Re: Ringling Bros Circus Train in San Jose, 2006
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41581	From: Roy Inman	Date: 9/21/2006
Subject: Re: Goodbye
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41582	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 9/21/2006
Subject: Re: American Models Pass. Car Quality
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41583	From: muniman18	Date: 9/21/2006
Subject: am heaveyweights
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41584	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 9/22/2006
Subject: American Flyer No.28A Track Ballast NOS WOW!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41585	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 9/22/2006
Subject: First MagLev Train Wreck
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41586	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 9/22/2006
Subject: Re: American Flyer OTHER EXTREME
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41587	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 9/22/2006
Subject: Re: American Flyer OTHER EXTREME
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41588	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 9/22/2006
Subject: AM heavyweights
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41589	From: Keith Blanchard	Date: 9/22/2006
Subject: Parts Going ByBy, Pine Canyon Advert
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41590	From: THOMAS E HILLERY	Date: 9/22/2006
Subject: Magnetic Train Crashes in Germany, Killing 25 - AOL News
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41591	From: reynoldsjmus	Date: 9/22/2006
Subject: Am Models Pass. Cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41592	From: trzp1800	Date: 9/23/2006
Subject: Measuring Scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41593	From: beebear	Date: 9/23/2006
Subject: Re: Measuring Scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41594	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 9/23/2006
Subject: Re: Measuring Scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41595	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 9/23/2006
Subject: Sunday Chat, 9/24/2006, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41596	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 9/23/2006
Subject: Re: Measuring Scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41597	From: Bill Lane	Date: 9/24/2006
Subject: CJSS Get Together 2006
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41598	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 9/25/2006
Subject: Re: Measuring Scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41599	From: Roy Inman	Date: 9/25/2006
Subject: FW: Wheel factory in S
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41600	From: Furmanak, Stan	Date: 9/25/2006
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} FW: Wheel factory in S
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41601	From: velapoldi	Date: 9/25/2006
Subject: Caboose Industries
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41602	From: Furmanak, Stan	Date: 9/25/2006
Subject: Re: Wheel factory in S
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41603	From: John Foley	Date: 9/25/2006
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} FW: Wheel factory in S
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41604	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 9/25/2006
Subject: Go Figure (Ebay)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41605	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 9/25/2006
Subject: Re: Go Figure (Ebay)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41606	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 9/25/2006
Subject: Re: Go Figure (Ebay)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41607	From: Ed	Date: 9/25/2006
Subject: Go Figure (Ebay)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41608	From: FEZANDPAZ@aol.com	Date: 9/25/2006
Subject: Re: Go Figure (Ebay)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41609	From: Roy Inman	Date: 9/25/2006
Subject: AM at the train show
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41610	From: Ed Eckert	Date: 9/26/2006
Subject: The high Ebay prices on Ron's collection
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41611	From: Phil K	Date: 9/26/2006
Subject: Re: Go Figure (Ebay)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41612	From: Rhett George	Date: 9/26/2006
Subject: Hello
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41613	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 9/26/2006
Subject: Re: Go Figure (Ebay)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41614	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 9/26/2006
Subject: Re: Go Figure (Ebay)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41615	From: lember2004	Date: 9/26/2006
Subject: Re: Go Figure (Ebay)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41616	From: FEZANDPAZ@aol.com	Date: 9/26/2006
Subject: Re: Go Figure -Great Traditions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41617	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 9/26/2006
Subject: Re: Go Figure (Ebay)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41618	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 9/26/2006
Subject: Re: E-BAY ITEM
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41619	From: faltrain5	Date: 9/27/2006
Subject: Did any of you on here go to the train show in Sharon, PA on Sunday?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41620	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 9/27/2006
Subject: Re: Go Figure -Great Traditions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41621	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 9/27/2006
Subject: Re: Did any of you on here go to the train show in Sharon, PA on Su
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41622	From: Furmanak, Stan	Date: 9/27/2006
Subject: Rix Products and S scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41623	From: Donald Munsey Jr.	Date: 9/27/2006
Subject: Fw: River Logging
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41624	From: lynnshouse2000	Date: 9/27/2006
Subject: When I am gone
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41625	From: David Engle	Date: 9/27/2006
Subject: Re: Go Figure -Great Traditions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41626	From: Chris	Date: 9/27/2006
Subject: York Meet Badges
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41627	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 9/27/2006
Subject: Re: Go Figure -Great Traditions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41628	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 9/27/2006
Subject: Re: York Meet Badges
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41629	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 9/27/2006
Subject: Re: Go Figure (Ebay)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41630	From: sncozman	Date: 9/28/2006
Subject: saying hi and Help Please :)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41631	From: burkhardt1938	Date: 9/28/2006
Subject: Re: Reverse loop wiring
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41632	From: Phil K	Date: 9/28/2006
Subject: Re: saying hi and Help Please :)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41633	From: jimensign50@aol.com	Date: 9/28/2006
Subject: Re: saying hi and Help Please :)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41634	From: Gregg	Date: 9/28/2006
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} FW: Wheel factory in S
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41635	From: T Larson	Date: 9/28/2006
Subject: [Fwd: Airslide]
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41636	From: Russell Rawling	Date: 9/28/2006
Subject: S Gauge in non-S publication and promoting our hobby
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41637	From: keefer1	Date: 9/28/2006
Subject: S SCALE LOCOMOTIVE & SUPPLY
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41638	From: Roy Inman	Date: 9/28/2006
Subject: Wheel car factory-thanks :)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41639	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 9/28/2006
Subject: Re: S SCALE LOCOMOTIVE & SUPPLY
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41640	From: Roy Inman	Date: 9/28/2006
Subject: Re: S SCALE LOCOMOTIVE & SUPPLY
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41641	From: Gerald Dobbs	Date: 9/29/2006
Subject: Reverse loop relay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41642	From: Mark Preman	Date: 9/29/2006
Subject: American Flyer Trains For Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41643	From: Sam Blum	Date: 9/29/2006
Subject: part cases
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41644	From: Robert Graves	Date: 9/29/2006
Subject: Re: Go Figure (Ebay)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41645	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 9/29/2006
Subject: Re: S SCALE LOCOMOTIVE & SUPPLY
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41646	From: Phil K	Date: 9/29/2006
Subject: Re: part cases
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41647	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 9/29/2006
Subject: WHISTLE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41648	From: Phil K	Date: 9/29/2006
Subject: Re: WHISTLE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41649	From: Gerald Dobbs	Date: 9/30/2006
Subject: (no subject)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41650	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 9/30/2006
Subject: Sunday Chat, 10/1/2006, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41651	From: clayton deich	Date: 9/30/2006
Subject: Re: WHISTLE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41652	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 9/30/2006
Subject: Your point of discussion for this week.....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41653	From: afjerryk5	Date: 9/30/2006
Subject: Trains and "sliders"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41654	From: Phil K	Date: 9/30/2006
Subject: Re: Trains and "sliders"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41655	From: G C	Date: 9/30/2006
Subject: Re: S SCALE LOCOMOTIVE & SUPPLY
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41656	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 9/30/2006
Subject: Re: AF Northern
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41657	From: Bill Lane	Date: 9/30/2006
Subject: Lanes Trains website update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41658	From: Jenni Sipla	Date: 9/30/2006
Subject: Re: part cases
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41659	From: Charles E. Smith	Date: 9/30/2006
Subject: SF caboose.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41660	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 10/1/2006
Subject: Re: SF caboose.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41661	From: rebendever	Date: 10/1/2006
Subject: '1:64 Modeling Guide' 2007 Calendar is Here!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41662	From: Roy Inman	Date: 10/1/2006
Subject: Re: Wheel car shop
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41663	From: Al Paolozzi	Date: 10/2/2006
Subject: Re: AF Northern
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41664	From: firex43	Date: 10/2/2006
Subject: Reliance Fire Hall
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41665	From: hugoroundhouse	Date: 10/2/2006
Subject: S-L-O-W Parts Delivery
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41666	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 10/2/2006
Subject: Re: S-L-O-W Parts Delivery
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41667	From: WEG138@aol.com	Date: 10/2/2006
Subject: Re: Johnson's Roadbed Order
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41668	From: WEG138@aol.com	Date: 10/2/2006
Subject: Re: Metal Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41669	From: Roy Inman	Date: 10/2/2006
Subject: Re: AF Northern
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41670	From: Phil K	Date: 10/2/2006
Subject: Last call on discounted Fall S Fest hotel rooms
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41671	From: velapoldi	Date: 10/2/2006
Subject: Re: AF Northern
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41672	From: Phil K	Date: 10/2/2006
Subject: Re: S-L-O-W Parts Delivery
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41673	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 10/2/2006
Subject: Re: S-L-O-W Parts Delivery
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41674	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 10/2/2006
Subject: Re: AF Northern
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41675	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 10/2/2006
Subject: Next Lionel Engine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41676	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 10/2/2006
Subject: Re: Reliance Fire Hall
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41677	From: Randy Griggs	Date: 10/2/2006
Subject: A "Free-lance" 'S' Intermodal container/trailer handler/lifter
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41678	From: Roy Inman	Date: 10/2/2006
Subject: Re: AF Northern
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41679	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 10/2/2006
Subject: The New Lionel-AF Northern - A Review.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41680	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 10/2/2006
Subject: Re: NORTHERN
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41681	From: Roy Inman	Date: 10/2/2006
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Re: [S-Trains] Wheel car shop
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41682	From: Roy Inman	Date: 10/2/2006
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Re: [S-Trains] Wheel car shop
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41683	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 10/2/2006
Subject: Re: Next Lionel Engine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41684	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 10/2/2006
Subject: Re: MALLET ON E-BAY
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41685	From: lember2004	Date: 10/2/2006
Subject: Re: Johnson's Roadbed Order
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41686	From: Doug Peck	Date: 10/3/2006
Subject: Re: Johnson's Roadbed Order
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41687	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 10/3/2006
Subject: Re: MALLET ON E-BAY
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41688	From: Mark Preman	Date: 10/3/2006
Subject: Reliance Fire Hall - York Info
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41689	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 10/3/2006
Subject: Re: A "Free-lance" 'S' Intermodal container/trailer handler/lifter
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41690	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 10/3/2006
Subject: Re: Reliance Fire Hall
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41691	From: Phil K	Date: 10/3/2006
Subject: Three bucks to have a question answered?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41692	From: firex43	Date: 10/3/2006
Subject: Next Lionel (flyonel) Engine Choice
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41693	From: Greg Klein	Date: 10/3/2006
Subject: OPEN HOUSE - TOY TRAINS UNLIMITED, Hanover, PA
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41694	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 10/4/2006
Subject: Next Flyonel Loco
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41695	From: bimorph	Date: 10/4/2006
Subject: FS: All Aboard Champion 800 set NOB
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41696	From: WEG138@aol.com	Date: 10/4/2006
Subject: Re: Metal Trains & Briwax
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41697	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 10/4/2006
Subject: Re: That Time of the Year!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41698	From: Doug Peck	Date: 10/4/2006
Subject: Re: SHS Highrail wheels in AF cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41699	From: Art Shifrin	Date: 10/4/2006
Subject: dialing for answer$
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41700	From: Art Shifrin	Date: 10/4/2006
Subject: two projects with which I need mostly 'build-it for me' assistance
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41701	From: Al Baker	Date: 10/5/2006
Subject: Re: Next Flyonel Loco
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41702	From: RCESpeak	Date: 10/5/2006
Subject: MEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41703	From: Roy Inman	Date: 10/5/2006
Subject: Re: [showcaseline] What's coming down the pike??? -ME Too
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41704	From: Bill Lane	Date: 10/5/2006
Subject: Lanes Trains Update again
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41705	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 10/5/2006
Subject: Re: Next Lyonel AF Loco
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41706	From: Joseph Haughney	Date: 10/5/2006
Subject: What's coming down the pike, Don Thompson???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41707	From: WEG138@aol.com	Date: 10/5/2006
Subject: Re: Next Flyonel Loco
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41708	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 10/5/2006
Subject: Re: Next Flyonel Loco
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41709	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 10/5/2006
Subject: Re: Apology to the Lady S Gaugers!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41710	From: Michael T Kolosseus	Date: 10/5/2006
Subject: AF list of trains for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41711	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 10/5/2006
Subject: Re: Next Flyonel Engine!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41712	From: Edward G.	Date: 10/5/2006
Subject: Re: Apology to the Lady S Gaugers... If I dood it Maybe I be so
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41713	From: Rick Evans	Date: 10/5/2006
Subject: : Apology to the Lady S Gaugers... If I dood it Maybe I be sorr
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41714	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 10/5/2006
Subject: Re: Apology to the Lady S Gaugers... If I dood it Maybe I be so
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41715	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 10/5/2006
Subject: Train show at Berea (near Cleveland) Ohio
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41716	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 10/5/2006
Subject: Fw: UPS Delivery
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41717	From: Bill Lane	Date: 10/5/2006
Subject: Brooks Stover layout photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41718	From: mtoytrain@bellsouth.net	Date: 10/5/2006
Subject: Re: Fw: UPS Delivery
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41719	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 10/5/2006
Subject: Re: Fw: UPS Delivery
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41720	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 10/5/2006
Subject: Re: Apology to the Lady S Gaugers... If I dood it Maybe I ...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41721	From: paflyrman	Date: 10/6/2006
Subject: Reliance Fire Hall Show Hours?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41722	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 10/6/2006
Subject: Re: Fw: UPS Delivery
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41723	From: Jeff Silvera	Date: 10/6/2006
Subject: Train Meet
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41724	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 10/6/2006
Subject: Re: Reliance Fire Hall Show Hours?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41725	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 10/6/2006
Subject: Re: Fw: UPS Delivery
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41726	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 10/6/2006
Subject: OPEN HOUSE - TOY TRAINS UNLIMITED, Correction
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41727	From: muniman18	Date: 10/6/2006
Subject: AF CATALOGUES
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41728	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 10/6/2006
Subject: Re: Reliance Fire Hall Show Hours?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41729	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 10/6/2006
Subject: Re: Reliance Fire Hall Show Hours?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41730	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 10/6/2006
Subject: Re: Fw: UPS Delivery
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41731	From: Doug Peck	Date: 10/6/2006
Subject: Re: Fw: UPS Delivery
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41732	From: Phil K	Date: 10/6/2006
Subject: Re: Fw: UPS Delivery
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41733	From: Rick Evans	Date: 10/6/2006
Subject: Re: AF CATALOGUES
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41734	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 10/6/2006
Subject: Re: A York Reminder!! TRAINS!!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41735	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 10/6/2006
Subject: Re: UPS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41736	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 10/6/2006
Subject: Re: UPS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41737	From: Robert A Persing	Date: 10/6/2006
Subject: Re: UPS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41738	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 10/7/2006
Subject: Re;UPS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41739	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 10/7/2006
Subject: Re: UPS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41740	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 10/7/2006
Subject: Re: UPS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41741	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 10/7/2006
Subject: Re: UPS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41742	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 10/7/2006
Subject: Re: UPS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41743	From: muniman18	Date: 10/7/2006
Subject: 800 all aboard
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41744	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 10/7/2006
Subject: Re: Re;UPS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41745	From: Jeff Silvera	Date: 10/7/2006
Subject: River City Toy Train Meet ( TODAY)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41746	From: muniman18	Date: 10/7/2006
Subject: re catalogues
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41747	From: G C	Date: 10/7/2006
Subject: Locomotive 21085 Prototype ?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41748	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/7/2006
Subject: Sunday Chat, 10/8/2006, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41749	From: colleenandrob	Date: 10/7/2006
Subject: Box help
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41750	From: paflyrman	Date: 10/7/2006
Subject: AF Loco Wrapper Cutouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41751	From: Gerald Dobbs	Date: 10/8/2006
Subject: Glen Rock Fire Department Open House
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41752	From: Keith Blanchard	Date: 10/8/2006
Subject: New Instructions Page, Sort of an advert
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41753	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 10/8/2006
Subject: Re: LTI UP 4-8-4 NORTHERN #6-48047
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41754	From: manderman	Date: 10/8/2006
Subject: Re: Box help
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41755	From: Art Shifrin	Date: 10/8/2006
Subject: AC Gilbert 78 rpm disk on ebay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41756	From: Phil K	Date: 10/9/2006
Subject: Re: LTI UP 4-8-4 NORTHERN #6-48047
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41757	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 10/9/2006
Subject: Re: Northern MSRPs.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41758	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 10/9/2006
Subject: Re: Glen Rock Fire Department Open House
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41760	From: Roy Inman	Date: 10/10/2006
Subject: Re: DIAPHRAGMS FOR AM BUDD CARS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41761	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 10/10/2006
Subject: (no subject)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41762	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 10/10/2006
Subject: Re: SSS TRAINS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41763	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 10/10/2006
Subject: Re: Union Pacific #809 pulled in today
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41764	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 10/10/2006
Subject: RE 314AW
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41765	From: Wayne Zebron	Date: 10/10/2006
Subject: gargraves track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41766	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 10/11/2006
Subject: NORTHERN
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41767	From: nsupbnsf@juno.com	Date: 10/11/2006
Subject: Lookout Junction on Display
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41768	From: jbarcia99	Date: 10/11/2006
Subject: SHS switch and NCE Snap-It
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41769	From: Mark Preman	Date: 10/11/2006
Subject: ODDS & ENDS For Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41770	From: JOHN EICHMANN	Date: 10/11/2006
Subject: Idaho Falls Show
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41771	From: t_man8712	Date: 10/11/2006
Subject: Union Pacific #809 pulled in today
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41772	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 10/11/2006
Subject: East Broad Top GM
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41773	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 10/11/2006
Subject: Request for Graphic
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41774	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 10/11/2006
Subject: Re: [showcaseline] What's coming down the pike???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41775	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 10/11/2006
Subject: Re: NORTHERN
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41776	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 10/11/2006
Subject: Re: [showcaseline] What's coming down the pike???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41777	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 10/11/2006
Subject: TMCC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41778	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 10/11/2006
Subject: Flyernut meeting
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41779	From: Roy Inman	Date: 10/11/2006
Subject: Re: NORTHERN
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41780	From: Phil K	Date: 10/11/2006
Subject: Re: NORTHERN
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41781	From: David Engle	Date: 10/12/2006
Subject: Re: NORTHERN
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41782	From: Mark Preman	Date: 10/12/2006
Subject: The Flyernut Meeting
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41783	From: frank emiro	Date: 10/12/2006
Subject: Re: NORTHERN
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41784	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 10/12/2006
Subject: Re: 809 pulled in today
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41785	From: frank emiro	Date: 10/12/2006
Subject: Re: TMCC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41786	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 10/12/2006
Subject: OPEN HOUSE NEAR YORK
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41787	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 10/12/2006
Subject: Re: NORTHERN
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41788	From: Al Baker	Date: 10/12/2006
Subject: Re: NORTHERN
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41789	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 10/12/2006
Subject: Re: NORTHERN
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41790	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 10/12/2006
Subject: Bob Tufts remembrance at York
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41791	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 10/12/2006
Subject: York Wednesday in Strasburg
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41792	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 10/12/2006
Subject: B&O Dockside
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41793	From: Roy Inman	Date: 10/12/2006
Subject: Re: NORTHERN
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41794	From: WEG138@aol.com	Date: 10/12/2006
Subject: Re: few item S manufacturers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41795	From: Roy Inman	Date: 10/12/2006
Subject: Re: NORTHERN
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41796	From: BENJAMIN PERRY	Date: 10/12/2006
Subject: Re: NORTHERN
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41797	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 10/12/2006
Subject: Re: few item S manufacturers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41798	From: Sam and Judy Williamson	Date: 10/13/2006
Subject: Re: Bob Tufts remembrance at York
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41799	From: frank emiro	Date: 10/13/2006
Subject: NH FREE Train Show
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41800	From: Doug Peck	Date: 10/13/2006
Subject: Re: NORTHERN
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41801	From: macflyer0513	Date: 10/13/2006
Subject: 761 Semaphore wiring
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41802	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 10/13/2006
Subject: DL 109 in S Gauge ?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41803	From: Rollain Mercier	Date: 10/13/2006
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} DL 109 in S Gauge ?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41804	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 10/13/2006
Subject: Re: NORTHERN w/ GREY NOSE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41805	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 10/13/2006
Subject: S Gauge Convention Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41806	From: IronHorse	Date: 10/13/2006
Subject: Re: NH FREE Train Show
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41807	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 10/13/2006
Subject: Re: NORTHERN
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41808	From: Bruce D. Willis	Date: 10/13/2006
Subject: Re: NORTHERN
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41809	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 10/14/2006
Subject: Re;Northern
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41810	From: frank emiro	Date: 10/14/2006
Subject: Re: NH FREE Train Show
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41811	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 10/14/2006
Subject: Re: [CNJ-MODELER] Digest Number 1608
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41812	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 10/14/2006
Subject: Re: Lionel UP FEF Northerns
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41813	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 10/14/2006
Subject: Re: TMCC& THE NEW NORTHERN
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41814	From: clifma19@cox.net	Date: 10/14/2006
Subject: Repair
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41815	From: Gerald Dobbs	Date: 10/14/2006
Subject: S Gauge Convention Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41816	From: hgetrain	Date: 10/14/2006
Subject: Re: TMCC& THE NEW NORTHERN
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41817	From: hgetrain	Date: 10/14/2006
Subject: Re: Lionel UP FEF Northerns
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41818	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 10/14/2006
Subject: Re: S Gauge Convention Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41819	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 10/14/2006
Subject: Re: Repair
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41820	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 10/14/2006
Subject: Re: York Gilbert Meet
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41821	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 10/14/2006
Subject: Locomotive length?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41822	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/14/2006
Subject: Sunday Chat, 10/15/2006, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41823	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 10/14/2006
Subject: YORK MEETS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41824	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 10/14/2006
Subject: 10 DAY FORCAST FOR YORK
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41825	From: Wayne Zebron	Date: 10/15/2006
Subject: gargraves track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41826	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 10/15/2006
Subject: What I did on my summer vacation...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41827	From: Bill Lane	Date: 10/15/2006
Subject: Its Sunday & another Lanes Trains Update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41828	From: firex43	Date: 10/15/2006
Subject: 0-6-0 & 0-8-0 Lengths
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41829	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/16/2006
Subject: Reliance Fire Hall All Scale Trains, 10/16/2006, 9:00 am
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41830	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 10/16/2006
Subject: PLAN AHEAD
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41831	From: Clay Buckage	Date: 10/16/2006
Subject: Re: The Flyernut Meeting
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41832	From: paflyrman	Date: 10/16/2006
Subject: AF Screw Lists in S Gaugian Magazines
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41833	From: Bill Lane	Date: 10/16/2006
Subject: Russ Downs & Downs Model Railroad
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41834	From: ron_kolb2000	Date: 10/16/2006
Subject: S Gauge Layout at the York TCA Meet
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41835	From: Greg Klein	Date: 10/16/2006
Subject: TCA York Meet - Baltimore Area American Flyer Club
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41836	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/17/2006
Subject: Reliance Fire Hall All Scale Trains, 10/17/2006, 9:00 am
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41837	From: Robert King	Date: 10/17/2006
Subject: Re: [showcaseline] What's coming down the pike???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41838	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 10/17/2006
Subject: Re: Gilbert Get Together -Flyernut meeting?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41839	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 10/17/2006
Subject: RE E-BAY ITEM?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41840	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 10/17/2006
Subject: Re: Gilbert Get Together -Flyernut meeting?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41841	From: jnr59@aol.com	Date: 10/17/2006
Subject: For Sale: SHS 48' Great Northern Bulk Flat Car w/ Western Carrier (
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41842	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 10/17/2006
Subject: York in the rain on Tuesday
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41843	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 10/17/2006
Subject: Re: RE E-BAY ITEM?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41844	From: myflyertrains	Date: 10/17/2006
Subject: My Report of S at York
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41845	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/18/2006
Subject: Reliance Fire Hall All Scale Trains, 10/18/2006, 9:00 am
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41846	From: WEG138@aol.com	Date: 10/18/2006
Subject: Re: Ooze from AF plastic.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41847	From: WEG138@aol.com	Date: 10/18/2006
Subject: Re: Converting couplers - link to knuckle
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41848	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 10/18/2006
Subject: Re: My Report of S at York
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41849	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 10/18/2006
Subject: York means empty hobby shop!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41850	From: Clay Buckage	Date: 10/18/2006
Subject: Fwd: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Gilbert Get Together -Flyernut meeting?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41851	From: colleenandrob	Date: 10/18/2006
Subject: Restoring steam engines
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41852	From: myflyertrains	Date: 10/18/2006
Subject: My Report on S at York - Part 2
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41853	From: Phil K	Date: 10/19/2006
Subject: Re: Ooze from AF plastic.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41854	From: Phil K	Date: 10/19/2006
Subject: Re: Restoring steam engines
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41855	From: uvl97222	Date: 10/19/2006
Subject: # 800 Northern
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41856	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 10/19/2006
Subject: Wednesday at NTTM
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41857	From: WEG138@aol.com	Date: 10/19/2006
Subject: Re: Ooze from AF plastic.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41858	From: Gerald Dobbs	Date: 10/19/2006
Subject: A.F. loco paint
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41859	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 10/19/2006
Subject: Re: New Lionel Northern - TMCC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41860	From: waltj2@verizon.net	Date: 10/19/2006
Subject: Re: Ooze from AF plastic
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41862	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 10/19/2006
Subject: Re: A.F. loco paint
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41863	From: strain97009	Date: 10/19/2006
Subject: Portland Oregon Brass Show
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41864	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 10/19/2006
Subject: Re: York means empty hobby shop!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41865	From: Russ and Beth Rawling	Date: 10/19/2006
Subject: Central New York Model Train Fair, Syracuse, NY- 11/4 & 5
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41866	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 10/19/2006
Subject: York on Thursday
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41867	From: Bruce D. Willis	Date: 10/19/2006
Subject: Re: Converting couplers - link to knuckle
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41868	From: David Engle	Date: 10/20/2006
Subject: Re: Converting couplers - link to knuckle
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41869	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 10/20/2006
Subject: Re: Converting couplers - link to knuckle
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41870	From: jimensign50@aol.com	Date: 10/20/2006
Subject: Re: Converting couplers - link to knuckle
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41871	From: M.McConnell	Date: 10/20/2006
Subject: Re: Restoring steam engines
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41872	From: Mark Preman	Date: 10/20/2006
Subject: Repro Comet B Unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41873	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 10/20/2006
Subject: Re: Repro Comet B Unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41874	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 10/20/2006
Subject: Re: PHIL K
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41875	From: FEZANDPAZ@aol.com	Date: 10/20/2006
Subject: Re: Converting couplers - link to knuckle
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41876	From: cindynovak2003	Date: 10/20/2006
Subject: documenting and tracking inventory
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41877	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 10/20/2006
Subject: York in the drizzle, sun, clouds, rain, sun, wind and cooler on Fri
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41878	From: tedcanflyer	Date: 10/20/2006
Subject: Flex-able track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41879	From: John Foley	Date: 10/20/2006
Subject: Josh Seltzer Website award
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41880	From: Phil K	Date: 10/20/2006
Subject: Re: documenting and tracking inventory
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41881	From: Phil K	Date: 10/20/2006
Subject: Re: Flex-able track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41882	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 10/21/2006
Subject: MY FRIDAY AT YORK
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41883	From: Bill Clark	Date: 10/21/2006
Subject: Re: Flex-able track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41884	From: Bill Lyon	Date: 10/21/2006
Subject: Talking Station Record
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41885	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 10/21/2006
Subject: Would lower prices attrack folks?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41886	From: Art Shifrin	Date: 10/21/2006
Subject: converting couplers on 660 series aluminum cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41887	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 10/21/2006
Subject: Re;Flex-able track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41888	From: Karl Raab	Date: 10/21/2006
Subject: Re: Repro Comet B Unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41889	From: Patrick McElroy	Date: 10/21/2006
Subject: Re: Would lower prices attrack folks?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41890	From: klaatu1944	Date: 10/21/2006
Subject: Railsounds
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41891	From: Phil K	Date: 10/21/2006
Subject: Re: Would lower prices attract folks?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41892	From: trainnut2us	Date: 10/21/2006
Subject: dcc with AM 4-8-4
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41894	From: Phil K	Date: 10/21/2006
Subject: More thoughts on prices
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41895	From: Al Baker	Date: 10/21/2006
Subject: Collecting American Flyer, eBay, prices, my hobby - a perspective
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41896	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 10/21/2006
Subject: Wrapping it up inYork
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41897	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 10/21/2006
Subject: York, the Addendum
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41898	From: Lawrence Schliessmann	Date: 10/21/2006
Subject: prices and our hobby
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41899	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/21/2006
Subject: Sunday Chat, 10/22/2006, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41900	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 10/21/2006
Subject: I was WRONG!!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41901	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 10/21/2006
Subject: Re: Restoring steam engines
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41902	From: Mike Vana	Date: 10/21/2006
Subject: UP 4-8-4 drivers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41903	From: G C	Date: 10/21/2006
Subject: Re: Restoring steam engines
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41904	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 10/21/2006
Subject: Re: dcc with AM 4-8-4
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41905	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 10/21/2006
Subject: Power pack question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41906	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 10/21/2006
Subject: Re: Power pack question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41907	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 10/22/2006
Subject: New AF Northern 800 Review and TMCC conversion.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41908	From: David Dewey	Date: 10/22/2006
Subject: On prices and attracting youngsters
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41909	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 10/22/2006
Subject: Re: On prices and attracting youngsters
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41910	From: George Cohn	Date: 10/22/2006
Subject: Re: On prices and attracting youngsters
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41911	From: Phil K	Date: 10/22/2006
Subject: Something to consider about today's kids
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41912	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 10/22/2006
Subject: need a little history help
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41913	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 10/22/2006
Subject: Re: need a little history help
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41914	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 10/22/2006
Subject: Re: need a little history help
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41915	From: colleenandrob	Date: 10/22/2006
Subject: Engine painting...Thank you all!!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41916	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 10/22/2006
Subject: Re: NASG Meeting
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41917	From: FEZANDPAZ@aol.com	Date: 10/22/2006
Subject: Re: Power pack question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41918	From: G C	Date: 10/22/2006
Subject: Re: A.F. loco paint
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41919	From: Gill W. Lott	Date: 10/23/2006
Subject: Re: York in the drizzle, sun, clouds, rain, sun, wind and cooler on
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41920	From: frank emiro	Date: 10/23/2006
Subject: Re: prices and our hobby
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41921	From: hugoroundhouse	Date: 10/23/2006
Subject: Beat me about the head and shoulders!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41922	From: Gerald Dobbs	Date: 10/23/2006
Subject: Re: A.F. loco paint
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41923	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 10/23/2006
Subject: Re: York in the drizzle, sun, clouds, rain, sun, wind and cool...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41924	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 10/23/2006
Subject: Re: York in the drizzle, sun, clouds, rain, sun, wind andcooler on
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41925	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 10/23/2006
Subject: Re: Beat me about the head and shoulders!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41926	From: RCESpeak	Date: 10/23/2006
Subject: Ferroequinologist
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41927	From: Mark Preman	Date: 10/23/2006
Subject: How Was the FLYERNUT Meeting in York
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41928	From: Robert Graves	Date: 10/23/2006
Subject: Re: Repro Comet B Unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41929	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 10/23/2006
Subject: Re: Ferroequinologist
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41930	From: beebear	Date: 10/23/2006
Subject: prices and our hobby
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41931	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 10/23/2006
Subject: Classic Flyer Crossword Puzzle
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41932	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 10/23/2006
Subject: Re: York in the drizzle, sun, clouds, rain, sun, wind and cool...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41933	From: lember2004	Date: 10/23/2006
Subject: ideas/uses of Gilbert AF #35 "Brakemen with Lanterns"?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41934	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 10/23/2006
Subject: Who was at York?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41935	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 10/23/2006
Subject: Re: My Report of S at York
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41936	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 10/23/2006
Subject: Re: Who was at York?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41937	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 10/23/2006
Subject: Re: YORK
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41938	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 10/23/2006
Subject: Re: Who was at York?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41939	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 10/23/2006
Subject: Re: YORK
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41940	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 10/23/2006
Subject: Re: YORK
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41941	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 10/23/2006
Subject: Re: Who was at York?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41942	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 10/24/2006
Subject: Re: YORK
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41943	From: beebear@buckeye-express.com	Date: 10/24/2006
Subject: Re: YORK
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41944	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 10/24/2006
Subject: Re;Who was at York?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41945	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 10/24/2006
Subject: Re: YORK
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41946	From: r_ahrens99	Date: 10/24/2006
Subject: Re: YORK
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41947	From: monte_heppe	Date: 10/24/2006
Subject: York
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41948	From: N Becker	Date: 10/24/2006
Subject: THE FERROEQUINOLOGIST'S CODE OF PROFESSIONAL RESPONSIBILITY
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41949	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 10/24/2006
Subject: Re: YORK
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41950	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 10/24/2006
Subject: Re: A Southern York? Norcross, Georgia
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41951	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 10/24/2006
Subject: Re: YORK
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41952	From: Phil K	Date: 10/24/2006
Subject: Re: THE FERROEQUINOLOGIST'S CODE OF PROFESSIONAL RESPONSIBILITY
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41953	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 10/24/2006
Subject: Re: A Southern York? Norcross, Georgia
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41954	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 10/24/2006
Subject: Re: York Clearance Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41955	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 10/24/2006
Subject: Re: 336 TENDER
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41956	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 10/24/2006
Subject: Re: NEW LTI NORTHERN # 9-48047 FOR SALE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41957	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 10/24/2006
Subject: Re: 336 TENDER
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41958	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 10/24/2006
Subject: Re: 336 TENDER
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41959	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 10/24/2006
Subject: Re: New 2-8-0 Consolidation and DCC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41960	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 10/24/2006
Subject: Re: YORK
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41961	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 10/24/2006
Subject: Re: Re;Who was at York?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41962	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 10/24/2006
Subject: Re: YORK
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41963	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 10/24/2006
Subject: Re: YORK
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41964	From: David Engle	Date: 10/24/2006
Subject: Re: 336 TENDER
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41965	From: Dale Smith	Date: 10/24/2006
Subject: Re: Re;Who was at York?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41966	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 10/24/2006
Subject: Looking for project loco
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41967	From: Mark Preman	Date: 10/25/2006
Subject: Great Train Expo - Norcross, GA
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41968	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 10/25/2006
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Plywood Benchwork
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41969	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 10/25/2006
Subject: Link to Great Train Expo - Norcross, GA
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41970	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 10/25/2006
Subject: Re: Great Train Expo - Norcross, GA
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41971	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 10/25/2006
Subject: set # 134
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41972	From: Gerald Dobbs	Date: 10/25/2006
Subject: Bandit Meets
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41973	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 10/25/2006
Subject: Nov 4th KEYSTONE MEET
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41974	From: mtoytrain@bellsouth.net	Date: 10/25/2006
Subject: Re: Great Train Expo - Norcross, GA
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41975	From: John Foley	Date: 10/25/2006
Subject: S Scale Bridges
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41976	From: Jollivier4@cs.com	Date: 10/25/2006
Subject: I want PORK!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41977	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 10/25/2006
Subject: Re: Great Train Expo - Norcross, GA
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41978	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 10/25/2006
Subject: SET #134
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41979	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 10/25/2006
Subject: My York 2006 Part 1
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41980	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 10/25/2006
Subject: Re: I want PORK!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41981	From: Doug Peck	Date: 10/25/2006
Subject: Re: My Report of S at York
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41982	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 10/25/2006
Subject: Re: I want PORK!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41983	From: charlie and edith	Date: 10/25/2006
Subject: Trade
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41984	From: Trains	Date: 10/25/2006
Subject: Re: I want PORK!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41985	From: John Stevens	Date: 10/26/2006
Subject: Christmas Caboose
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41986	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 10/26/2006
Subject: Flyer Crossword #2
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41987	From: strain97009	Date: 10/26/2006
Subject: Portland Oregon Brass Show
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41988	From: Doug Peck	Date: 10/26/2006
Subject: "Red Cap" figure
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41989	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 10/26/2006
Subject: My York, Part 2
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41990	From: Chris	Date: 10/26/2006
Subject: Re: York
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41991	From: Chris	Date: 10/26/2006
Subject: York
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41992	From: r_ahrens99	Date: 10/27/2006
Subject: York
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41993	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 10/27/2006
Subject: Re: Open House - all welcome
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41994	From: Chris	Date: 10/27/2006
Subject: Re: York
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41995	From: Chris	Date: 10/27/2006
Subject: Yikes! What year???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41996	From: Al Baker	Date: 10/27/2006
Subject: DC Power Pack recommendation?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41997	From: John Foley	Date: 10/27/2006
Subject: 07 NMRA Convention
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41998	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 10/27/2006
Subject: Re: York
Group: S-Trains	Message: 41999	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 10/27/2006
Subject: Re: DC Power Pack recommendation?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42000	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 10/28/2006
Subject: Re;DC Power Pack Recomendation?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42001	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 10/28/2006
Subject: Re: Lionel S Gauge UP Heavyweights
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42002	From: on30rick	Date: 10/28/2006
Subject: for sale item
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42003	From: paflyrman	Date: 10/28/2006
Subject: Re: Lionel S Gauge Heavyweights
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42004	From: Phil K	Date: 10/28/2006
Subject: Seven tables available for Fall S Fest in Chicago next weekend
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42005	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 10/28/2006
Subject: Wanted:Billboard Reefer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42006	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 10/28/2006
Subject: WRAPPING
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42007	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 10/28/2006
Subject: # 800 Northern again
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42008	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 10/28/2006
Subject: New Heavyweights and New Pacific
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42009	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 10/28/2006
Subject: # 800 Northern again
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42010	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 10/28/2006
Subject: Re: WRAPPING
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42011	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 10/28/2006
Subject: Re: WRAPPING
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42012	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 10/29/2006
Subject: Re: YORK
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42014	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 10/29/2006
Subject: Re: WRAPPING
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42015	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 10/29/2006
Subject: Re: WRAPPING PAPER
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42016	From: Dave Campbell	Date: 10/29/2006
Subject: AM Canadian National FP-7
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42017	From: pbscoles	Date: 10/29/2006
Subject: New scenery DVD
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42018	From: G C	Date: 10/29/2006
Subject: S Scale and Around Wall Layouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42019	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 10/29/2006
Subject: Saturday with another TCA member
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42020	From: Rick Evans	Date: 10/29/2006
Subject: Polar Bears
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42021	From: Trains	Date: 10/30/2006
Subject: Re: S Scale and Around Wall Layouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42022	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 10/30/2006
Subject: info wanted -- License Plate
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42023	From: muniman18	Date: 10/30/2006
Subject: CHAMPION 800 ALL ABOARD
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42024	From: Trains	Date: 10/30/2006
Subject: Re: S Gauge Herald issues for sale, trade, purchase
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42025	From: Bill Clark	Date: 10/30/2006
Subject: Re: info wanted -- License Plate
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42026	From: screamingbabyairlines	Date: 10/30/2006
Subject: New Guy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42027	From: Trains	Date: 10/30/2006
Subject: Fw: {S-Scale List} Re: S Gauge Herald issues for sale, trade, purch
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42028	From: G C	Date: 10/30/2006
Subject: Re: S Scale and Around Wall Layouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42029	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 10/30/2006
Subject: Breaking News!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42030	From: Trains	Date: 10/30/2006
Subject: Re: S Scale and Around Wall Layouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42031	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 10/30/2006
Subject: CHEAP SHIPPING
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42032	From: Keith Blanchard	Date: 10/30/2006
Subject: Re: New Guy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42033	From: A. E. Johnson	Date: 10/30/2006
Subject: Re: CHEAP SHIPPING
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42034	From: NASG Library	Date: 10/30/2006
Subject: Mobley Library offline for a while
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42035	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 10/30/2006
Subject: Re: AM Canadian National FP-7
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42036	From: SnSTrains@aol.com	Date: 10/30/2006
Subject: SnS Trains grand opening of new shop/store
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42037	From: WEG138@aol.com	Date: 10/31/2006
Subject: Re: Thanks for the help
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42038	From: louis glumac	Date: 10/31/2006
Subject: FOR SALE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42039	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 10/31/2006
Subject: Re: CHEAP SHIPPING
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42040	From: George Cohn	Date: 10/31/2006
Subject: Re: CHEAP SHIPPING
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42041	From: Mark Preman	Date: 10/31/2006
Subject: American Flyer Trains, Accessories, Catalogs, etc. For Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42042	From: Roger Delthony	Date: 10/31/2006
Subject: Re: Syracuse, NY Train Show This Weekend
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42043	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 11/1/2006
Subject: Train Shows in the southeast This Weekend
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42044	From: Chris	Date: 11/1/2006
Subject: Royal Blue on E-Bay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42045	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 11/1/2006
Subject: Re: Royal Blue on E-Bay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42046	From: len_hall	Date: 11/1/2006
Subject: Train Show This Weekend
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42047	From: Phil K	Date: 11/1/2006
Subject: Fall S Fest this weekend
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42048	From: Phil K	Date: 11/1/2006
Subject: Early news from Fall S Fest -- Rotary Snowplow coming
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42049	From: afvair	Date: 11/1/2006
Subject: Northern, new UP grey; UP heavyweight cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42050	From: Roy Inman	Date: 11/1/2006
Subject: Re: Northern, new UP grey; UP heavyweight cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42051	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 11/1/2006
Subject: REE: WHAT AM I MISSING HERE?? (E-BAY ITEM)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42052	From: Trains	Date: 11/1/2006
Subject: Medford Armory Train Show weekend after thanksgiving -S gaugers wil
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42053	From: Ed Eckert	Date: 11/1/2006
Subject: Flyonel northern fix
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42054	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 11/1/2006
Subject: Re: Royal Blue on E-Bay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42055	From: Eric R.	Date: 11/1/2006
Subject: Re: Royal Blue on E-Bay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42056	From: THOMAS E HILLERY	Date: 11/2/2006
Subject: Fw: Re: Ebay has jumped the shark
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42057	From: Chris	Date: 11/2/2006
Subject: Re: Royal Blue on E-Bay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42058	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 11/2/2006
Subject: Re: Fw: Re: Ebay has jumped the shark
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42059	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 11/2/2006
Subject: Re: E-BAY>> HIGH SHIPPING COST THEIR POLICY
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42060	From: Rick Evans	Date: 11/2/2006
Subject: Re: Ebay has jumped the shark
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42061	From: northline@comcast.net	Date: 11/2/2006
Subject: Re: Fw: Re: Ebay has jumped the shark
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42062	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 11/2/2006
Subject: Re: Royal Blue on E-Bay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42063	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 11/3/2006
Subject: Midwest Narrow Gauge Show 2007
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42064	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 11/3/2006
Subject: Re: Ebay has jumped the shark
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42065	From: Edward G.	Date: 11/3/2006
Subject: Rotary Snowplow coming..But I still WANT a Galloping Goose
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42066	From: muniman18	Date: 11/3/2006
Subject: e mail
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42067	From: Michael T Kolosseus	Date: 11/3/2006
Subject: Big AF train list available
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42068	From: Gale Hall	Date: 11/4/2006
Subject: S Fest
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42069	From: Roy Inman	Date: 11/4/2006
Subject: Re: Rotary Snowplow coming..But I still WANT a Galloping Goose
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42070	From: Phil K	Date: 11/4/2006
Subject: Re: S Fest
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42071	From: Gerald Dobbs	Date: 11/4/2006
Subject: Flyonel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42072	From: Jollivier4@cs.com	Date: 11/4/2006
Subject: LVTS smoke fluid
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42073	From: Robert Graves	Date: 11/4/2006
Subject: Re: Royal Blue on E-Bay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42074	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 11/4/2006
Subject: Knuckle coupler problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42075	From: Rick Evans	Date: 11/5/2006
Subject: LVTS smoke fluid
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42076	From: Rick Evans	Date: 11/5/2006
Subject: slow posts??????
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42077	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 11/5/2006
Subject: Re: slow posts??????
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42078	From: James Hannawald	Date: 11/5/2006
Subject: Need some info on scales
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42079	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 11/5/2006
Subject: Re: slow posts??????
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42080	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 11/5/2006
Subject: Re: Flyonel northern fix
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42081	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 11/5/2006
Subject: Re: slow posts??????
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42082	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 11/5/2006
Subject: Re: Flyonel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42083	From: Rick Evans	Date: 11/5/2006
Subject: Re: Need some info on scales
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42084	From: Ed	Date: 11/5/2006
Subject: Re: slow posts??????
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42085	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 11/5/2006
Subject: Re: slow posts??????
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42086	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 11/5/2006
Subject: Re: CAL-STEWART
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42087	From: Roy Inman	Date: 11/5/2006
Subject: Re: Need some info on scales
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42088	From: James Hannawald	Date: 11/5/2006
Subject: Re: Need some info on scales
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42089	From: Russ Dondero	Date: 11/5/2006
Subject: Re: Flyonel northern fix
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42090	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 11/5/2006
Subject: "The Junk Box Addiction"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42091	From: George Cohn	Date: 11/5/2006
Subject: Re: slow posts??????
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42092	From: George Cohn	Date: 11/5/2006
Subject: Re: "The Junk Box Addiction"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42093	From: Roy Plotnick	Date: 11/6/2006
Subject: F-9 gears
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42094	From: Don	Date: 11/6/2006
Subject: Oil question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42095	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 11/6/2006
Subject: Christmas Shopping, Purchasing or Trading
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42096	From: muniman18	Date: 11/6/2006
Subject: e-mail
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42097	From: reynoldsjmus	Date: 11/6/2006
Subject: Junk
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42098	From: Roy Inman	Date: 11/6/2006
Subject: Re: Oil question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42099	From: jeff silvera	Date: 11/6/2006
Subject: Re: CAL-STEWART
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42100	From: Antonides, Frank I	Date: 11/6/2006
Subject: Re: CAL-STEWART
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42101	From: Phil K	Date: 11/6/2006
Subject: Fall S Fest preliminary report -- and the news is good
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42102	From: Phil K	Date: 11/6/2006
Subject: Slow messages
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42103	From: afvair	Date: 11/6/2006
Subject: Greyhound Nothern arrives in our club at our saturday show!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42104	From: Roy Inman	Date: 11/6/2006
Subject: Re: Greyhound Nothern arrives in our club at our saturday show!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42105	From: muniman18	Date: 11/6/2006
Subject: northern
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42106	From: WEG138@aol.com	Date: 11/6/2006
Subject: Re: Knuckle coupler problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42107	From: Phil K	Date: 11/6/2006
Subject: Rotary snow plow photos and more....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42108	From: RCESpeak	Date: 11/7/2006
Subject: Re: Oil question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42109	From: George Cohn	Date: 11/7/2006
Subject: Re: "The Junk Box Addiction"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42110	From: Joseph Haughney	Date: 11/7/2006
Subject: Scale Autos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42111	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 11/7/2006
Subject: Re: CAL-STEWART
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42112	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 11/7/2006
Subject: Re: PRE X-MAS SMOKE FLUID SALE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42113	From: Phil Dunlop	Date: 11/7/2006
Subject: CAN Motor Conversion, Gilbert Steam Loco's
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42114	From: colleenandrob	Date: 11/7/2006
Subject: Probably hopeless search...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42115	From: Phil K	Date: 11/7/2006
Subject: Prototype snowplow photo added
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42116	From: Phil K	Date: 11/7/2006
Subject: Re: CAN Motor Conversion, Gilbert Steam Loco's
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42117	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 11/7/2006
Subject: AM Horn & Bell control
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42118	From: Randy Burton	Date: 11/7/2006
Subject: belts slipping off Lionel #789 Baggage Smasher
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42119	From: Rhett George	Date: 11/7/2006
Subject: Power supply VA rating
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42120	From: Randy Burton	Date: 11/7/2006
Subject: Re: CAN Motor Conversion, Gilbert Steam Loco's
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42121	From: Mr wayne broadhead	Date: 11/7/2006
Subject: Re: Flyonel northern fix
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42122	From: Charles E. Smith	Date: 11/7/2006
Subject: Re: AM Horn & Bell control
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42123	From: Mr wayne broadhead	Date: 11/7/2006
Subject: Re: Flyonel northern fix
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42124	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 11/7/2006
Subject: Re: CAN Motor Conversion, Gilbert Steam Loco's
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42125	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 11/7/2006
Subject: Re;CAN motor conversion Gilbert steam locos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42126	From: Roy Inman	Date: 11/7/2006
Subject: Re: AM Horn & Bell control
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42127	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 11/8/2006
Subject: Re: Congratulations are due!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42128	From: Steven Tewkesbury	Date: 11/8/2006
Subject: Re: Need some info on scales
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42129	From: mvandiver2@aol.com	Date: 11/8/2006
Subject: (no subject)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42130	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 11/8/2006
Subject: Nov 11 & 12
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42131	From: Edward G.	Date: 11/8/2006
Subject: MTH negotiates no-cost Union Pacific licensing deal for all manufac
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42132	From: Mr wayne broadhead	Date: 11/8/2006
Subject: Re: belts slipping off Lionel #789 Baggage Smasher
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42133	From: fireladdie2003	Date: 11/8/2006
Subject: American Flyer by Lionel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42134	From: Eric R.	Date: 11/8/2006
Subject: DRGW AM set for Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42135	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 11/9/2006
Subject: Re: American Flyer by Lionel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42136	From: Keith Blanchard	Date: 11/9/2006
Subject: Pine Canyon News Advert
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42137	From: Phil K	Date: 11/9/2006
Subject: Re: American Flyer by Lionel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42138	From: Bruce D. Willis	Date: 11/9/2006
Subject: Re: MTH negotiates no-cost Union Pacific licensing deal for all man
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42139	From: Dave W	Date: 11/9/2006
Subject: Mobilgas tankcar decals?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42140	From: David Dewey	Date: 11/10/2006
Subject: Some questions on the new heavyweights & log dump cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42141	From: Mark Preman	Date: 11/10/2006
Subject: Thanksgiving Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42142	From: hobo47203	Date: 11/11/2006
Subject: Event Reminder
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42143	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 11/11/2006
Subject: Re: Chicago and Alton Passenger Set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42144	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 11/11/2006
Subject: C AND A SET
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42145	From: T Larson	Date: 11/11/2006
Subject: 1:64th Scale Vehicles
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42146	From: Gerald L Shultz Sr.	Date: 11/11/2006
Subject: Rock Island GP 7 #6-48033
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42147	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 11/11/2006
Subject: Train show and modular set-up, East Lansing Michigan
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42148	From: Eric R.	Date: 11/11/2006
Subject: Looking for ED --- edzdan@yahoo.com
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42149	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 11/11/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 3233 Re: L-AF heavyweights
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42150	From: Eric R.	Date: 11/11/2006
Subject: Thinning Some S Helper cars.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42151	From: Keith Blanchard	Date: 11/12/2006
Subject: More Pine Canyon News advertisement
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42152	From: louis glumac	Date: 11/12/2006
Subject: for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42153	From: Roger Walton	Date: 11/13/2006
Subject: info on Frankie Merson
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42154	From: Bret	Date: 11/13/2006
Subject: need folks interested in starting club in south west burbs of chica
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42155	From: clifma19@cox.net	Date: 11/13/2006
Subject: 45 degree crossing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42156	From: Don	Date: 11/14/2006
Subject: Knuckle couplers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42157	From: Jeffrey Madden	Date: 11/14/2006
Subject: FW: NASG 2007
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42158	From: Bill Lane	Date: 11/14/2006
Subject: Re: need folks interested in starting club in south west burbs of c
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42159	From: Phil K	Date: 11/14/2006
Subject: American Hi-Rail information -- RDCs, rotary snow plows, etc.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42160	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 11/14/2006
Subject: Kinda late comments about the S-Fest
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42161	From: Phil K	Date: 11/14/2006
Subject: S Fest convention cars & trucks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42162	From: Charles E. Smith	Date: 11/14/2006
Subject: Re: Knuckle couplers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42163	From: ddalessandroit	Date: 11/14/2006
Subject: WANTED!! SHS PRR Merchandise Service Boxcars, Silver and White Stri
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42164	From: SnSTrains@aol.com	Date: 11/14/2006
Subject: SnS Trains Holiday closure
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42165	From: SnSTrains@aol.com	Date: 11/14/2006
Subject: S-Gauge video close out
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42166	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 11/15/2006
Subject: Flyer, Hi-rail or scale?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42167	From: Roy Inman	Date: 11/15/2006
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Flyer, Hi-rail or scale?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42168	From: Trains	Date: 11/15/2006
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Flyer, Hi-rail or scale?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42169	From: Bruce D. Willis	Date: 11/15/2006
Subject: Lionel Santa Fe Passenger Set Values
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42170	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 11/16/2006
Subject: Re;Flyer Hi-rail or scale?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42171	From: mvandiver2@aol.com	Date: 11/16/2006
Subject: Address
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42172	From: colleenandrob	Date: 11/16/2006
Subject: Recent Purchase questions and help 342 Engine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42173	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 11/16/2006
Subject: Re: Flyer, Hi-rail or scale?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42174	From: hellonc99	Date: 11/16/2006
Subject: 2006 AF Christmas Boxcar
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42175	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 11/16/2006
Subject: Re: Recent Purchase questions and help 342 Engine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42176	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 11/16/2006
Subject: Re: Flyer, Hi-rail or scale?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42177	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 11/16/2006
Subject: Re: 2006 AF Christmas Boxcar
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42178	From: ken garber	Date: 11/16/2006
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Re: Flyer, Hi-rail or scale?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42179	From: louis glumac	Date: 11/16/2006
Subject: for sale AMERICAN FLYER
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42180	From: LARRY MOORE	Date: 11/16/2006
Subject: 360 motors
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42181	From: Trains	Date: 11/17/2006
Subject: flyer, Hi-rail, scale?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42182	From: Eric R.	Date: 11/17/2006
Subject: for Ed Zdan.....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42183	From: Eric R.	Date: 11/17/2006
Subject: Thinning out some S helper Cars Part 2.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42184	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 11/17/2006
Subject: Re: Cleaning Wheelsets?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42185	From: Bill	Date: 11/17/2006
Subject: This n' That!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42186	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 11/17/2006
Subject: Re: Flyer, Hi-rail or scale?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42187	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 11/17/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 3233 Re: L-AF heavyweights
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42188	From: Phil K	Date: 11/17/2006
Subject: Re: flyer, Hi-rail, scale?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42189	From: Alex Sibbald	Date: 11/17/2006
Subject: AF/Hi-rail/scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42190	From: Rick Evans	Date: 11/17/2006
Subject: Re: flyer, Hi-rail, scale?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42191	From: Tom Detmer	Date: 11/17/2006
Subject: Re: 2006 AF Christmas Boxcar
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42192	From: Roy Inman	Date: 11/17/2006
Subject: Re: This n' That!-KCS layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42193	From: Roy Inman	Date: 11/17/2006
Subject: Re: This n' That!-KCS layout-correction
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42194	From: John	Date: 11/17/2006
Subject: Flyonel Northern
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42195	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 11/17/2006
Subject: Re: flyer, Hi-rail, scale?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42196	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 11/18/2006
Subject: Re;re;Flyer Scale or Hi-rail
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42197	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 11/18/2006
Subject: Hi-rail or Scale...the layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42198	From: Roy Inman	Date: 11/18/2006
Subject: Laser cut parts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42199	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 11/18/2006
Subject: Re: S needs fewer categories
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42200	From: g94a95	Date: 11/18/2006
Subject: Decal Removel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42201	From: Edward B. Havens	Date: 11/18/2006
Subject: Thinning collection -- need a Flyonel 2-8-2?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42202	From: Robert Graves	Date: 11/18/2006
Subject: Northerns and Mikados join The Gilbert Gallery
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42203	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 11/19/2006
Subject: Re;S scale needs fewer catagories
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42204	From: Phil K	Date: 11/19/2006
Subject: 2006 S Fest is huge success
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42205	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 11/19/2006
Subject: PVMR Train Display
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42206	From: JeryJones3@aol.com	Date: 11/19/2006
Subject: OPEN HOUSE See "S" Run!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42207	From: Trains	Date: 11/19/2006
Subject: Medford Oregon Train Show (near California border along I-5)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42208	From: Phil K	Date: 11/19/2006
Subject: Tonkin Replica trucks for S Fest
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42209	From: Robert Graves	Date: 11/20/2006
Subject: Flyonel C&A and UP Photos needed for The Gilbert Gallery
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42210	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 11/20/2006
Subject: Re: Christmas Layouts and Shopping!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42211	From: Dale Chaudiere	Date: 11/20/2006
Subject: Needed : SHS #00298 RC #3 RH Switches
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42212	From: jostrass	Date: 11/20/2006
Subject: St.Louis MO. Dec 2nd train show
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42213	From: Dale Chaudiere	Date: 11/20/2006
Subject: Needed: American Models 2-button Controller
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42214	From: velapoldi	Date: 11/20/2006
Subject: Code 125/miller tie strip available
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42215	From: g94a95	Date: 11/20/2006
Subject: Decal removal
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42216	From: Bret	Date: 11/20/2006
Subject: Lemax accessories and houses for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42217	From: fiantoni	Date: 11/20/2006
Subject: Cal Stewart - Pasadena
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42218	From: Scott Holm	Date: 11/20/2006
Subject: AF Alton set from Charles Ro
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42219	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 11/20/2006
Subject: SHS Truck Stem Repair Photos Posted
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42220	From: John Keating	Date: 11/21/2006
Subject: SHS Truck Stem Repair Photos Posted
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42221	From: Steve Lunde	Date: 11/21/2006
Subject: Seuthe smoke units and dcc
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42222	From: Mark Preman	Date: 11/21/2006
Subject: 20% off All Passenger Cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42223	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 11/21/2006
Subject: scale,P64,Fine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42224	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 11/21/2006
Subject: Re;S scale needs fewer categories
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42225	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 11/21/2006
Subject: Lionel 4 car Union Pacific Passenger set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42226	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 11/22/2006
Subject: Re;re;Flyer needs fewer catagories
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42227	From: Doug Peck	Date: 11/22/2006
Subject: Alton sets
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42228	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 11/22/2006
Subject: Re;Suethe smoke units and DCC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42229	From: Wayne B.	Date: 11/22/2006
Subject: Lionel 4 car Union Pacific Passenger set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42230	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 11/22/2006
Subject: Re: Just my thought!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42231	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 11/22/2006
Subject: Re;Just my thought
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42232	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 11/22/2006
Subject: Re: Lionel 4 car Union Pacific Passenger set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42233	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 11/22/2006
Subject: Re: Alton sets
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42234	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 11/22/2006
Subject: Just my thought
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42235	From: tomminil@aol.com	Date: 11/22/2006
Subject: Re: Alton sets
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42236	From: Roy Inman	Date: 11/22/2006
Subject: Re: Just my thought!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42237	From: LARRY MOORE	Date: 11/22/2006
Subject: HAPPY THANKSGIVING
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42238	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 11/22/2006
Subject: Re: Alton sets
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42239	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 11/22/2006
Subject: Docksider Smoke Improvement
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42240	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 11/22/2006
Subject: Re: HAPPY THANKSGIVING
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42241	From: medufus2000	Date: 11/22/2006
Subject: SpecCast1/64 trucks for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42242	From: Dave W	Date: 11/22/2006
Subject: K5/K6 colour scheme expert wanted
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42243	From: Russ Dondero	Date: 11/22/2006
Subject: Flyonel Northern
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42244	From: Roy Inman	Date: 11/23/2006
Subject: Re: Flyonel Northern
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42245	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 11/23/2006
Subject: Re;K5/K6 color scheme expert wanted
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42246	From: Al Paolozzi	Date: 11/23/2006
Subject: Fw: [S-Trains] Flyonel Northern
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42247	From: Bill Lane	Date: 11/23/2006
Subject: Building Guru needed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42248	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 11/23/2006
Subject: Re: [toytrains] Digest Number 4503,Train Displays
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42249	From: lember2004	Date: 11/23/2006
Subject: Roadbed use tips, please
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42251	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 11/23/2006
Subject: Flyonel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42252	From: rj4010d	Date: 11/23/2006
Subject: E-Bay listing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42253	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 11/23/2006
Subject: Re: Roadbed use tips, please
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42254	From: LARRY MOORE	Date: 11/23/2006
Subject: "OLD" vs "THE LATEST AND GREATEST"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42255	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 11/23/2006
Subject: Re: Docksider smoke unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42256	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 11/23/2006
Subject: Re: Roadbed use tips, please
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42257	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 11/24/2006
Subject: Re;Old vs The Latest and Greatest
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42258	From: mvandiver2@aol.com	Date: 11/24/2006
Subject: Styrofoam for modeling
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42259	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 11/24/2006
Subject: Flyer needs fewer catagories
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42260	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 11/24/2006
Subject: Categories
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42261	From: g94a95	Date: 11/24/2006
Subject: Medford Train Show
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42263	From: Trains	Date: 11/24/2006
Subject: Re: Medford Train Show
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42264	From: afjerryk5	Date: 11/24/2006
Subject: Styrofoam
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42265	From: Eric R.	Date: 11/24/2006
Subject: FW: S Hi Rail stuff for sale - Update addition
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42266	From: Eric R.	Date: 11/24/2006
Subject: S Hi Rail stuff for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42267	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 11/24/2006
Subject: Re;Styrofoam for modeling
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42268	From: Bill Porter	Date: 11/25/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 3247
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42269	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 11/25/2006
Subject: Re: Roadbed use tips, please
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42270	From: Phil K	Date: 11/25/2006
Subject: Reminder: No political opinions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42271	From: trainman634	Date: 11/25/2006
Subject: K-Line Trucks on American Flyer Freight Cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42272	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 11/25/2006
Subject: York PA Train Show Sunday November 26
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42273	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 11/25/2006
Subject: Re: I'M BACK
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42274	From: Rick Evans	Date: 11/25/2006
Subject: Re: K-Line Trucks on American Flyer Freight Cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42275	From: Eric R.	Date: 11/26/2006
Subject: Thinning out some rolling stock (Passenger Cars) - (#3)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42276	From: WEG138@aol.com	Date: 11/26/2006
Subject: Re: Edison train show
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42277	From: Howard Sheffield	Date: 11/26/2006
Subject: Re: Christmas trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42278	From: fireladdie2003	Date: 11/26/2006
Subject: Operating Lionel/AF on DC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42279	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 11/26/2006
Subject: American Flyer Mikados
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42280	From: Subscription | 1:64MG	Date: 11/26/2006
Subject: 1:64 Modeling Guide magazine & the Clabber Girl Series trucks (ADVE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42281	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 11/26/2006
Subject: Re;Operating Lionel/AF on DC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42282	From: screamingbabyairlines	Date: 11/26/2006
Subject: Cleaning Wheels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42283	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 11/26/2006
Subject: Re: Operating Lionel/AF on DC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42284	From: srgriggs	Date: 11/26/2006
Subject: New Flyonel 4-6-2 and 2-8-2
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42285	From: Charles E. Smith	Date: 11/26/2006
Subject: Re: Re;Operating Lionel/AF on DC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42286	From: Gerald Dobbs	Date: 11/27/2006
Subject: Flyonel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42287	From: fireladdie2003	Date: 11/27/2006
Subject: Operating Lionel/AF on DC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42288	From: frank emiro	Date: 11/27/2006
Subject: Re: Flyonel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42289	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 11/27/2006
Subject: Cleaning Wheels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42290	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 11/27/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 3249 - L-AF Pacifics
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42291	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 11/27/2006
Subject: Re: "Christmas Train Time is here"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42292	From: manderman	Date: 11/27/2006
Subject: C&A "Alton"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42293	From: Phil K	Date: 11/27/2006
Subject: Re: C&A "Alton"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42294	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 11/28/2006
Subject: Found;Old Dutch Cleanser reefer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42295	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 11/28/2006
Subject: Re;C&A "Alton"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42296	From: fivechime@aol.com	Date: 11/28/2006
Subject: Shopping Center In Cupertino California With O/S Layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42297	From: just ask	Date: 11/28/2006
Subject: Handle for a 8 b
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42298	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 11/28/2006
Subject: loads
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42299	From: Nelson	Date: 11/28/2006
Subject: American Flyer Promo Outtakes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42300	From: aglorince	Date: 11/29/2006
Subject: magazine back issue pre inventory clearance
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42301	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 11/29/2006
Subject: Re: American Flyer Promo Outtakes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42302	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 11/29/2006
Subject: How to remove windows from AM Budd cars for purpose of repainting ?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42303	From: Eric Child	Date: 11/29/2006
Subject: Shopping Center In Cupertino California With O/S Layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42304	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 11/29/2006
Subject: PVMR November 29th
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42305	From: Robert Graves	Date: 11/30/2006
Subject: Re: Handle for a 8 b
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42306	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 11/30/2006
Subject: Re: American Flyer Promo Outtakes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42307	From: amflyrguy	Date: 11/30/2006
Subject: Cattle tips work
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42308	From: Mac	Date: 11/30/2006
Subject: Railsounds in Mike
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42309	From: geep39	Date: 11/30/2006
Subject: AF Promo Outakes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42310	From: Ron Inscho	Date: 11/30/2006
Subject: Re: Railsounds in Mike
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42311	From: Doug Peck	Date: 11/30/2006
Subject: Re: Handle for a 8 b
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42312	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 11/30/2006
Subject: Re: Railsounds in Mike
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42313	From: frank emiro	Date: 11/30/2006
Subject: Re: Railsounds in Mike
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42314	From: bkweidner	Date: 11/30/2006
Subject: Model builder software
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42315	From: Gerald Dobbs	Date: 12/1/2006
Subject: Sound
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42316	From: Bill Porter	Date: 12/1/2006
Subject: Re: Model builder software
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42317	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 12/1/2006
Subject: Stumpy's little layout -- Fw: {S-Scale List} Small S scale layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42318	From: bkweidner	Date: 12/1/2006
Subject: Model Builder Software website
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42319	From: bkweidner	Date: 12/1/2006
Subject: Re: Model Builder Software website
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42320	From: Mark Preman	Date: 12/1/2006
Subject: December Train Shows in Tampa, Florida
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42321	From: Mark Preman	Date: 12/1/2006
Subject: American Flyer Trains For Sale - Ho, Ho, Ho!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42322	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 12/2/2006
Subject: 0-8-0 becomes 2-8-0
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42323	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 12/2/2006
Subject: Re: 0-8-0 becomes 2-8-0
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42324	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 12/2/2006
Subject: need some pricing info
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42325	From: ruth.leahy@colorado.edu	Date: 12/2/2006
Subject: Repairing #655s?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42326	From: Phil K	Date: 12/2/2006
Subject: Prices for Jim Sleeth
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42327	From: Dale Smith	Date: 12/2/2006
Subject: Re: Repairing #655s?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42328	From: Charles E. Smith	Date: 12/2/2006
Subject: Re: 0-8-0 becomes 2-8-0
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42329	From: colleenandrob	Date: 12/2/2006
Subject: 960 Series AF passenger cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42330	From: Charles E. Smith	Date: 12/2/2006
Subject: Re: Repairing #655s?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42331	From: keefer1	Date: 12/2/2006
Subject: 655 color
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42332	From: James Hannawald	Date: 12/2/2006
Subject: Re: 655 color
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42333	From: Eric R.	Date: 12/2/2006
Subject: Clearing out Extra Stuff Part 4....Near the bottom.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42334	From: Eric R.	Date: 12/2/2006
Subject: One other Item for Sale ... AF Hudson 322
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42335	From: Art Shifrin	Date: 12/2/2006
Subject: a tale of O, but very relevant to updating sounds on S gauge engines
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42336	From: wnholcomb	Date: 12/3/2006
Subject: Florida Train Shows
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42337	From: Dave W	Date: 12/3/2006
Subject: Golly gee, Mr Cleaver!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42338	From: Doug Peck	Date: 12/3/2006
Subject: Re: 655 color
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42339	From: Mark Preman	Date: 12/4/2006
Subject: 2007 Trains Shows in Central Florida
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42340	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 12/4/2006
Subject: I need more pricing help. Thanks in advance
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42341	From: NASG Library	Date: 12/4/2006
Subject: Mobley Library vacation
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42342	From: keefer1	Date: 12/4/2006
Subject: Re: Golly gee, Mr Cleaver!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42343	From: Al	Date: 12/4/2006
Subject: Paint remover
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42344	From: Charles E. Smith	Date: 12/4/2006
Subject: Re: Paint remover
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42345	From: John Foley	Date: 12/4/2006
Subject: S Scale Bridge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42346	From: bw_hansen	Date: 12/4/2006
Subject: Lionel GP-20
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42347	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 12/4/2006
Subject: Re: Lionel GP-20
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42348	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/4/2006
Subject: train purchases
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42349	From: paflyrman	Date: 12/4/2006
Subject: Paint Removal
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42350	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 12/4/2006
Subject: Re: Lionel GP-20
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42351	From: Russell Rawling	Date: 12/5/2006
Subject: Christmas docksider- smoke
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42352	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 12/5/2006
Subject: Donate a Train This Christmas!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42353	From: Michael T Kolosseus	Date: 12/5/2006
Subject: December AF sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42354	From: David Dewey	Date: 12/5/2006
Subject: On Paint stripping
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42355	From: Phil K	Date: 12/5/2006
Subject: Paint stripping
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42356	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 12/5/2006
Subject: 343 back from the dead
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42357	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 12/5/2006
Subject: Re: 343 back from the dead
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42358	From: Samuel J. McCoy	Date: 12/5/2006
Subject: Re: Paint stripping
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42359	From: gandydancerbutch	Date: 12/5/2006
Subject: Gabe is Stuck!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42360	From: Trains	Date: 12/5/2006
Subject: AF #375 T&P GP-7
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42361	From: milorod@aol.com	Date: 12/5/2006
Subject: A Neat Christmas Card
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42362	From: Trains	Date: 12/6/2006
Subject: Re: AF #375 T&P GP-7 oddity....just what do I have here?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42363	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 12/6/2006
Subject: Re: AF #375 T&P GP-7
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42364	From: Phil K	Date: 12/6/2006
Subject: Re: Paint stripping
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42365	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 12/6/2006
Subject: Re: AF #375 T&P GP-7 oddity....just what do I have here?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42366	From: Alan Evans	Date: 12/6/2006
Subject: Attaching 802's on Hi Rail AM 4-8-4
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42367	From: JOHN EICHMANN	Date: 12/6/2006
Subject: On Paint stripping
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42368	From: fiantoni	Date: 12/6/2006
Subject: Track Conundrum
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42369	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 12/6/2006
Subject: Re: On Paint stripping
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42370	From: Keith Blanchard	Date: 12/6/2006
Subject: Howards Drive-in Restaurant update advert
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42371	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 12/6/2006
Subject: Re: AF #375 T&P GP-7
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42372	From: John Foley	Date: 12/6/2006
Subject: Custom S Bridges
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42373	From: jnr59@aol.com	Date: 12/6/2006
Subject: Wanted one or more SHS Fruit Growers Express Reefer (from 3 car set)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42374	From: Samuel J. McCoy	Date: 12/6/2006
Subject: Re: Paint stripping
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42375	From: tomminil@aol.com	Date: 12/6/2006
Subject: Re: Track Conundrum
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42376	From: James Hannawald	Date: 12/6/2006
Subject: Greensboro MD Library Annaul Show
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42377	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 12/6/2006
Subject: Re: Track Conundrum
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42378	From: Robert Graves	Date: 12/6/2006
Subject: Re: AF #375 T&P GP-7
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42379	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/6/2006
Subject: Re: AF #375 T&P GP-7
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42380	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 12/7/2006
Subject: Re;Track conundrum
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42381	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 12/7/2006
Subject: S GAUGE IN PA DUTCH COUNTRY
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42382	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 12/7/2006
Subject: Re: S GAUGE IN PA DUTCH COUNTRY
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42383	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/7/2006
Subject: Re: CSI & TRAINS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42384	From: jshannon148	Date: 12/8/2006
Subject: Packaged speed control/sound board
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42385	From: Bill Clark	Date: 12/8/2006
Subject: Re: Packaged speed control/sound board
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42386	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 12/8/2006
Subject: Lack of compatibility or uniformity
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42387	From: keefer1	Date: 12/8/2006
Subject: SMOKING DOCKSIDER
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42388	From: FEZANDPAZ@aol.com	Date: 12/8/2006
Subject: Re: Lack of compatibility or uniformity
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42389	From: Al Baker	Date: 12/8/2006
Subject: Re: Lack of compatibility or uniformity
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42390	From: Bill Clark	Date: 12/8/2006
Subject: Re: Lack of compatibility or uniformity
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42391	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 12/8/2006
Subject: eBay - Why are the bids so high on this set?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42392	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 12/8/2006
Subject: Re;Lack of compatability or uniformity
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42393	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/8/2006
Subject: Re: eBay - Why are the bids so high on this set?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42394	From: Phil K	Date: 12/8/2006
Subject: Where did it go?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42395	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 12/9/2006
Subject: Re: Diversity and uniformity
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42396	From: Bill Clark	Date: 12/9/2006
Subject: Re: Diversity and uniformity
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42397	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 12/9/2006
Subject: Re;Diversity and Uniformity
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42398	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/9/2006
Subject: Re: Diversity and uniformity
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42399	From: Mike Rosz	Date: 12/9/2006
Subject: Walthers phone numbers I forgot.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42400	From: jimensign50@aol.com	Date: 12/9/2006
Subject: Re: eBay - Why are the bids so high on this set?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42401	From: keefer1	Date: 12/9/2006
Subject: Re: eBay - Why are the bids so high on this set?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42402	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/10/2006
Subject: Re: eBay - Why are the bids so high on this set?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42403	From: John Degnan	Date: 12/10/2006
Subject: FOUND : 1:64 Scale EARLY Miliraty Vehicles!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42404	From: nortonbp	Date: 12/10/2006
Subject: looking for info.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42405	From: tomminil@aol.com	Date: 12/10/2006
Subject: Re: eBay - Why are the bids so high on this set?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42406	From: keefer1	Date: 12/10/2006
Subject: Re: eBay - Why are the bids so high on this set?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42407	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 12/10/2006
Subject: Electronics again
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42408	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 12/10/2006
Subject: Re: CC Diversity
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42409	From: George Cohn	Date: 12/10/2006
Subject: Re: Electronics again
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42410	From: George Cohn	Date: 12/10/2006
Subject: Re: FOUND : 1:64 Scale EARLY Miliraty Vehicles!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42411	From: Tom P	Date: 12/10/2006
Subject: Track cleaning cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42412	From: John	Date: 12/11/2006
Subject: Seasons Greetings
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42413	From: Mark Preman	Date: 12/11/2006
Subject: Train Show this Weekend in Tampa
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42414	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 12/11/2006
Subject: S Scale relative to O and other scales
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42415	From: Bill Porter	Date: 12/11/2006
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} S Scale relative to O and other scales
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42416	From: Arden Goehring	Date: 12/11/2006
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} S Scale relative to O and other scales
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42417	From: Richard Hosmer	Date: 12/11/2006
Subject: Re: S Scale relative to O and other scales
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42418	From: Brian Koch	Date: 12/12/2006
Subject: Lionel AF U.P. 4-8-4 smoke unit fix
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42419	From: Dale Smith	Date: 12/12/2006
Subject: GATS is out of Business
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42420	From: acgilbertflyer	Date: 12/12/2006
Subject: Mikado Part
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42421	From: Mark Preman	Date: 12/12/2006
Subject: American Models Passenger Sets for Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42422	From: tomminil@aol.com	Date: 12/12/2006
Subject: Re: Lionel AF U.P. 4-8-4 smoke unit fix
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42423	From: Roy Inman	Date: 12/12/2006
Subject: FW: Another disolusioned S manufacturer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42424	From: Donald Munsey Jr.	Date: 12/12/2006
Subject: Fw: Bachmann HO 4-4-0
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42425	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 12/12/2006
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} S Scale relative to O and other scales - MANY TH
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42426	From: Phil K	Date: 12/12/2006
Subject: Re: FW: Another disolusioned S manufacturer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42427	From: acgilbertflyer	Date: 12/12/2006
Subject: Alton Limited set on Ebay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42428	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/12/2006
Subject: Re: FW: Another disolusioned S manufacturer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42429	From: keefer1	Date: 12/12/2006
Subject: Electrical HELP needed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42430	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 12/12/2006
Subject: Re: Electrical HELP needed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42431	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 12/12/2006
Subject: Another disolusioned S manufacturer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42432	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 12/12/2006
Subject: Re;FW Another disillusioned S manufacturer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42433	From: Brian Koch	Date: 12/12/2006
Subject: Lionel AF 4-8-4 smoke unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42434	From: charlie and edith	Date: 12/13/2006
Subject: Dry Transfer Overcoat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42435	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 12/13/2006
Subject: More on Lionel AF 4-8-4(s)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42436	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 12/13/2006
Subject: Re: Lionel AF U.P. 4-8-4 smoke unit fix
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42437	From: skipkendel	Date: 12/13/2006
Subject: TMCC Questions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42438	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 12/13/2006
Subject: "L" Northern followup
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42439	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 12/13/2006
Subject: Re: "L" Northern followup
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42440	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/13/2006
Subject: Re: "L" Northern followup
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42441	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 12/13/2006
Subject: Re: More on Lionel AF 4-8-4(s)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42442	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 12/13/2006
Subject: Re;L Northern followup
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42443	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 12/13/2006
Subject: Lionel Northerns - ?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42444	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 12/13/2006
Subject: Re;Dry transfer overcoat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42445	From: keefer1	Date: 12/13/2006
Subject: Re :HELP
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42446	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/13/2006
Subject: Re: More on Lionel AF 4-8-4(s)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42447	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/13/2006
Subject: Re: More on Lionel AF 4-8-4(s)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42448	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 12/13/2006
Subject: Re: Dry Transfer Overcoat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42449	From: George Cohn	Date: 12/13/2006
Subject: Track Cleaning
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42450	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 12/13/2006
Subject: Flat cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42451	From: Phil K	Date: 12/13/2006
Subject: Re: "L" Northern followup
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42452	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 12/14/2006
Subject: Re: More on Lionel AF 4-8-4(s)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42453	From: acgilbertflyer	Date: 12/14/2006
Subject: Re: "L" Northern followup
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42454	From: r_ahrens99	Date: 12/14/2006
Subject: Re: Track Cleaning
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42455	From: Bret	Date: 12/14/2006
Subject: seabord switcher set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42456	From: Michael Martino	Date: 12/14/2006
Subject: northern's etc
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42457	From: Phil K	Date: 12/14/2006
Subject: Re: northern's etc
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42458	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 12/14/2006
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] northern's etc
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42459	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/14/2006
Subject: Re: northern's etc
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42460	From: Robert A Persing	Date: 12/14/2006
Subject: Track cleaning
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42461	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 12/14/2006
Subject: Re;Northerns, etc.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42462	From: jimensign50@aol.com	Date: 12/15/2006
Subject: Re: Re;Northerns, etc.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42463	From: acgilbertflyer	Date: 12/15/2006
Subject: NYC Budd passenger set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42464	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 12/15/2006
Subject: More on "L" locos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42465	From: John Foley	Date: 12/15/2006
Subject: J Tower
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42466	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 12/15/2006
Subject: Re: NYC Budd passenger set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42467	From: Brian Koch	Date: 12/15/2006
Subject: American Flyer by Lionel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42468	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/15/2006
Subject: 21105 Engine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42469	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 12/15/2006
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] More on "L" locos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42470	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/15/2006
Subject: 21105
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42471	From: charlie and edith	Date: 12/15/2006
Subject: Dry Transfer overcoat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42472	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/15/2006
Subject: Re: 21105
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42473	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 12/15/2006
Subject: Re: SHS Christmas Blatant commericalism
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42474	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 12/15/2006
Subject: Re;Northerns, etc.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42475	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 12/15/2006
Subject: CHUCK - PERSONAL
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42476	From: Roy Inman	Date: 12/16/2006
Subject: Re: American Flyer by Lionel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42477	From: Al Baker	Date: 12/16/2006
Subject: Sparking drivers on steamers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42478	From: Trains	Date: 12/16/2006
Subject: Re: [SPAM] {S-Scale List} Re: [SSTOT] S Scale Gauges (yes, AGAIN)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42479	From: Trains	Date: 12/16/2006
Subject: S track gauges
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42480	From: tomminil@aol.com	Date: 12/16/2006
Subject: Re: Sparking drivers on steamers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42481	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/16/2006
Subject: Re: 21105
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42482	From: johnandrew002	Date: 12/16/2006
Subject: Dockside Switcher
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42483	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 12/16/2006
Subject: Re: American Flyer by Lionel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42484	From: trainman634	Date: 12/16/2006
Subject: New American Flyer with K-Line trucks.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42485	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 12/16/2006
Subject: Re: American Flyer by Lionel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42486	From: Ed Eckert	Date: 12/16/2006
Subject: This person has an American Flyer set For sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42487	From: Ed Eckert	Date: 12/16/2006
Subject: he has an American Flyer set For sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42488	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 12/16/2006
Subject: Re: American Flyer by Lionel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42489	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 12/17/2006
Subject: Judge: Lionel LLC entitled to new trial
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42490	From: Roy Inman	Date: 12/17/2006
Subject: Weathering DVD or book
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42491	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 12/17/2006
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} S track gages
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42492	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 12/17/2006
Subject: Traction action
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42493	From: Bret	Date: 12/17/2006
Subject: Af train items for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42494	From: Phil K	Date: 12/17/2006
Subject: Re: American Flyer by Lionel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42495	From: Gerald Dobbs	Date: 12/17/2006
Subject: Track gang set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42496	From: David	Date: 12/17/2006
Subject: 314 AW whistle in tender
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42497	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/17/2006
Subject: Re: 314 AW whistle in tender
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42500	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 12/17/2006
Subject: Union Pacific and SOUTHERN Mikado's by American Flyer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42501	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 12/17/2006
Subject: Re: 314 AW whistle in tender
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42502	From: keefer1	Date: 12/17/2006
Subject: OUT of LINE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42503	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/17/2006
Subject: Fw: Your Island Trains Order
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42504	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/17/2006
Subject: Re: Track gang set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42505	From: Phil K	Date: 12/17/2006
Subject: Not OUT of LINE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42506	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 12/17/2006
Subject: It's not just trains...The problem is that we're too old!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42507	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 12/17/2006
Subject: Weathering
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42508	From: LARRY MOORE	Date: 12/17/2006
Subject: Photo album
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42509	From: northline@comcast.net	Date: 12/17/2006
Subject: Seattle Wind Storm, off Topic
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42510	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 12/17/2006
Subject: Re;Traction action
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42511	From: Robert A Persing	Date: 12/17/2006
Subject: Re: Track gang set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42512	From: paflyrman	Date: 12/17/2006
Subject: Track Gang Delivery
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42513	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/17/2006
Subject: Fw: Your Island Trains Order
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42514	From: Robert Graves	Date: 12/18/2006
Subject: All Flyonel engines & cars are on the Gibert Gallery
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42515	From: David Dewey	Date: 12/18/2006
Subject: Yep, we're too old & Track Gang non-delivery
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42516	From: Bill Porter	Date: 12/18/2006
Subject: Re: All Flyonel engines & cars are on the Gilbert Gallery
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42517	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 12/18/2006
Subject: Yep, we're too old
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42518	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/18/2006
Subject: Re: Yep, we're too old
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42519	From: Ernest Mendecke	Date: 12/18/2006
Subject: Cars and trains?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42520	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 12/18/2006
Subject: Re: 314 AW whistle in tender
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42521	From: acgilbertflyer	Date: 12/18/2006
Subject: Alton Limited set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42522	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 12/18/2006
Subject: interesting event
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42523	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 12/18/2006
Subject: Re;Cars and trains?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42524	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/18/2006
Subject: Orange Pipes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42525	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/18/2006
Subject: Re: Yep, we're too old & Track Gang non-delivery
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42526	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/18/2006
Subject: Pearls
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42527	From: frank emiro	Date: 12/19/2006
Subject: The NEW AF Northerns
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42528	From: Dan Greenberg	Date: 12/19/2006
Subject: Old, tired subjects
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42529	From: martyl11	Date: 12/19/2006
Subject: Nicki Duffy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42530	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/19/2006
Subject: Operating Box Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42531	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 12/19/2006
Subject: Re;Nicki Duffy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42532	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 12/19/2006
Subject: Re; Nicki Duffy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42533	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 12/19/2006
Subject: RE S scale Stuart light tank on SHS flatcars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42534	From: boblines51	Date: 12/19/2006
Subject: Nicki
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42535	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 12/20/2006
Subject: Gallery / Photo Album - Broken Thumbnails
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42536	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 12/20/2006
Subject: AF model number question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42537	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 12/20/2006
Subject: "Rocket", "Comet" and the "Chief"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42538	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 12/20/2006
Subject: Re: AF model number question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42539	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 12/20/2006
Subject: Re: Nicki Duffy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42540	From: cindy novak	Date: 12/20/2006
Subject: RE S scale Stuart light tank on SHS flatcars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42541	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 12/20/2006
Subject: Re: "Rocket", "Comet" and the "Chief"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42542	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 12/20/2006
Subject: Links vs Knuckle and Lionel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42543	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 12/20/2006
Subject: S-Scale.org Photo Albums - Down for upgrades
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42544	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 12/20/2006
Subject: Re: American Models and Lionel Northerns something is missing!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42545	From: Phil K	Date: 12/20/2006
Subject: Re: American Models and Lionel Northerns something is missing!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42546	From: Russ Dondero	Date: 12/20/2006
Subject: Northerns
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42547	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/20/2006
Subject: Re: Nicki Duffy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42548	From: David Engle	Date: 12/20/2006
Subject: Re: Nicki Duffy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42549	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/20/2006
Subject: Re: 336
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42550	From: plasticvilleking	Date: 12/20/2006
Subject: Nicki
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42551	From: Al Paolozzi	Date: 12/20/2006
Subject: Re: 336
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42552	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 12/20/2006
Subject: Photo Album Updates - S-Scale.org
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42553	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/20/2006
Subject: Re: 336
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42554	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/20/2006
Subject: Possible Billboard?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42555	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 12/20/2006
Subject: Re;American Models and Lionel Northerns, something missing.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42556	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/20/2006
Subject: Fw: Question for item #330063599570 - AF American Flyer # 21149 4-6
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42557	From: cindynovak2003	Date: 12/20/2006
Subject: best way to move a layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42558	From: Eric	Date: 12/20/2006
Subject: New member
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42559	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/21/2006
Subject: Ebay shipping box
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42560	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 12/21/2006
Subject: Re;New member
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42561	From: clifma19@cox.net	Date: 12/21/2006
Subject: repair
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42562	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/21/2006
Subject: Hudson Ebay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42563	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 12/21/2006
Subject: NICKI
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42564	From: Gerry Evans dba Best of Show Model Build	Date: 12/21/2006
Subject: Misfit Boys
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42565	From: rodgercunningham	Date: 12/21/2006
Subject: Nicki
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42566	From: George Cohn	Date: 12/21/2006
Subject: Re: Ebay shipping box
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42567	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 12/21/2006
Subject: Re: Ebay shipping box
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42568	From: northline@comcast.net	Date: 12/21/2006
Subject: Re: Ebay shipping box
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42569	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/21/2006
Subject: Re: Ebay shipping box
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42570	From: George Cohn	Date: 12/21/2006
Subject: Re: Ebay shipping box
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42571	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/21/2006
Subject: Re: Ebay shipping box
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42572	From: srmj@wi.rr.com	Date: 12/21/2006
Subject: Re: repair
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42573	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 12/21/2006
Subject: MAILING BOXES
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42574	From: David Cooke	Date: 12/21/2006
Subject: for sale on e-bay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42575	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 12/21/2006
Subject: best way to move a layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42576	From: afvair	Date: 12/21/2006
Subject: Christmas hoppers, naughty and nice available
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42577	From: keefer1	Date: 12/21/2006
Subject: Re: Ebay shipping box
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42578	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 12/21/2006
Subject: BARB'S OK ! ! 1 1 1 !
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42579	From: charlie and edith	Date: 12/22/2006
Subject: Restringing the 944 Crane
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42580	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/22/2006
Subject: Re: Possible Billboard?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42581	From: logitrol	Date: 12/22/2006
Subject: PS: Holiday greeting e-card
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42582	From: logitrol	Date: 12/22/2006
Subject: 2006 Christmas tree layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42583	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/22/2006
Subject: Re: BARB'S OK ! ! !
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42584	From: Eric R.	Date: 12/22/2006
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Re: SHS Christmas Blatant commericalism
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42585	From: Eric R.	Date: 12/22/2006
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Seattle storm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42586	From: Robert Graves	Date: 12/22/2006
Subject: The Gilbert Gallery needs pictures: Naughty & Nice and others
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42587	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 12/22/2006
Subject: Thank you, "Santas" and wish list
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42588	From: bud9351	Date: 12/22/2006
Subject: Flyer Geep sideframe
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42589	From: Doug Peck	Date: 12/22/2006
Subject: Restringing the 944 Crane
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42590	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 12/22/2006
Subject: Re: Restringing the 944 Crane
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42591	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/22/2006
Subject: Photo Album links.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42592	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/22/2006
Subject: Leaking smoke unit?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42593	From: amflyrguy	Date: 12/22/2006
Subject: 326 loco with choo choo
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42594	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/22/2006
Subject: Re: Leaking smoke unit?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42595	From: Phil K	Date: 12/22/2006
Subject: Gilbert set named second Most-Dangerous Toy of all time
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42596	From: seg60133	Date: 12/22/2006
Subject: Ebay seller alert - Simmons reefer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42597	From: clayton deich	Date: 12/22/2006
Subject: Re: Gilbert set named second Most-Dangerous Toy of all time
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42598	From: keefer1	Date: 12/22/2006
Subject: Re: Ebay seller alert - Simmons reefer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42599	From: keefer1	Date: 12/22/2006
Subject: Re: Ebay seller alert - Simmons reefer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42600	From: seg60133	Date: 12/22/2006
Subject: Simmons reefer characteristics
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42601	From: seg60133	Date: 12/22/2006
Subject: Re: Ebay seller alert - Simmons reefer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42602	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/22/2006
Subject: National Capital Trackers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42603	From: seg60133	Date: 12/22/2006
Subject: Simmons reefer characteristics
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42604	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/22/2006
Subject: sentence correction
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42605	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 12/22/2006
Subject: S-Scale.org Photo Albums - New Shortcuts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42606	From: Robert Graves	Date: 12/22/2006
Subject: Re: Ebay seller alert - Simmons reefer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42607	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/22/2006
Subject: Re: Ebay seller alert - Simmons reefer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42608	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 12/22/2006
Subject: Re;Gilbert set named Second Most Dangerous Toy of All Time
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42609	From: seg60133	Date: 12/22/2006
Subject: Re: Ebay seller alert - Simmons reefer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42610	From: paflyrman	Date: 12/22/2006
Subject: Re: Ebay Seller Allert - Simmons Reefer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42611	From: Roy Inman	Date: 12/22/2006
Subject: Mikado and smoke
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42612	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 12/22/2006
Subject: Re: Re;Gilbert set named Second Most Dangerous Toy of All Time
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42613	From: James Hannawald	Date: 12/22/2006
Subject: Re: National Capital Trackers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42614	From: g94a95	Date: 12/22/2006
Subject: American Flyer Of course!!!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42615	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/22/2006
Subject: Re: Simmons reefer characteristics
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42616	From: Eric R.	Date: 12/22/2006
Subject: items for sale.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42617	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 12/22/2006
Subject: Restringing the 944 Crane
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42618	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/22/2006
Subject: Re: Ebay seller alert - Simmons reefer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42619	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 12/22/2006
Subject: Re: Simmons reefer characteristics
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42620	From: charlie and edith	Date: 12/22/2006
Subject: Restringing the 944 Crane
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42621	From: louis glumac	Date: 12/22/2006
Subject: Re: Ebay seller alert - Simmons reefer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42622	From: Bill Lane	Date: 12/23/2006
Subject: Happy Holidays
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42623	From: Dale Smith	Date: 12/23/2006
Subject: Re: Simmons reefer characteristics
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42624	From: seg60133	Date: 12/23/2006
Subject: Re: Simmons reefer characteristics
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42625	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 12/23/2006
Subject: Re: Mikado and smoke
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42626	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/23/2006
Subject: Re: Ebay seller alert - Simmons reefer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42627	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/23/2006
Subject: Re: Ebay seller alert - Simmons reefer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42628	From: Bill Porter	Date: 12/23/2006
Subject: Re: Ebay seller alert - Simmons reefer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42629	From: David Dewey	Date: 12/23/2006
Subject: How about a Sat. nite Chat tonite?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42630	From: David Dewey	Date: 12/23/2006
Subject: Simmons Reefer Auction
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42631	From: WEG138@aol.com	Date: 12/23/2006
Subject: What else I can do to improve performance?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42632	From: seg60133	Date: 12/23/2006
Subject: Re: Simmons reefer characteristics
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42633	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/23/2006
Subject: Re: What else I can do to improve performance?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42634	From: tomminil@aol.com	Date: 12/23/2006
Subject: Re: What else I can do to improve performance?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42635	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/23/2006
Subject: Re: Simmons reefer characteristics
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42636	From: Al Baker	Date: 12/23/2006
Subject: Re: Ebay seller alert - Simmons reefer - my experience
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42637	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/23/2006
Subject: Re: How about a Sat. nite Chat tonite?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42638	From: seg60133	Date: 12/23/2006
Subject: Re: Simmons reefer characteristics
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42639	From: atlantic300	Date: 12/23/2006
Subject: S-Helper Christmas car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42640	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/23/2006
Subject: Re: What else I can do to improve performance?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42641	From: Phil K	Date: 12/23/2006
Subject: Re: Simmons Reefer Auction
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42642	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 12/23/2006
Subject: Re: Christmas Open House
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42643	From: muniman18	Date: 12/23/2006
Subject: re Simmons reefer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42644	From: Dale Smith	Date: 12/23/2006
Subject: Re: Ebay seller alert - Simmons reefer - my experience
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42645	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 12/23/2006
Subject: Re;How about a Sat. nite Chat tonite?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42646	From: Richard Hosmer	Date: 12/23/2006
Subject: Re: Simmons Reefer Auction
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42647	From: g94a95	Date: 12/23/2006
Subject: Simmons Reefer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42648	From: keefer1	Date: 12/23/2006
Subject: Re: Ebay seller alert - Simmons reefer - my experience
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42649	From: Stan	Date: 12/23/2006
Subject: Re: Ebay seller alert - Simmons reefer - my experience
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42650	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/23/2006
Subject: Re: Ebay seller alert - Simmons reefer - my experience
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42651	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 12/23/2006
Subject: Re;What else can I do to improve performance?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42652	From: keefer1	Date: 12/23/2006
Subject: Re: Simmons Reefer Auction
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42653	From: clayton deich	Date: 12/23/2006
Subject: Re: Ebay seller alert - Simmons reefer - my experience
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42654	From: Scaler164	Date: 12/23/2006
Subject: Re: Happy Holidays
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42655	From: LARRY MOORE	Date: 12/23/2006
Subject: Merry Christmas
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42656	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/24/2006
Subject: Re: THAT E_BAY GUY
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42657	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 12/24/2006
Subject: Flyer Smoke Units
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42658	From: Robert Graves	Date: 12/24/2006
Subject: A very Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42659	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/24/2006
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42660	From: mvandiver2@aol.com	Date: 12/24/2006
Subject: Check out AOL Pictures - Slideshow
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42661	From: johnm_63379	Date: 12/24/2006
Subject: MERRY CHRISTMAS AND HAPPY NEW YEAR
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42662	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 12/24/2006
Subject: Flyer Smoke Units - Sorry
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42663	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 12/24/2006
Subject: HAPPY HOLIDAYS, Y'ALL
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42664	From: hop	Date: 12/24/2006
Subject: Re: Check out AOL Pictures - Slideshow
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42665	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/24/2006
Subject: 21129,21130 Weirdness
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42666	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 12/24/2006
Subject: Re: THAT E_BAY GUY
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42667	From: seg60133	Date: 12/24/2006
Subject: Re: THAT E_BAY GUY
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42668	From: tomminil@aol.com	Date: 12/24/2006
Subject: Re: Ebay seller alert - Simmons reefer - my experience
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42669	From: paflyrman	Date: 12/24/2006
Subject: Chimney question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42670	From: jimensign50@aol.com	Date: 12/24/2006
Subject: Re: What else I can do to improve performance?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42671	From: seg60133	Date: 12/24/2006
Subject: Re: THAT E_BAY GUY
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42672	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 12/24/2006
Subject: Flyer Smoke Units, opps
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42673	From: jhwysopal	Date: 12/24/2006
Subject: Christmas memories
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42674	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/24/2006
Subject: pilot wheels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42675	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 12/24/2006
Subject: Christmas
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42676	From: tomminil@aol.com	Date: 12/24/2006
Subject: Re: 21129,21130 Weirdness
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42677	From: John and Maria Harvey	Date: 12/25/2006
Subject: Season's Greetings
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42678	From: The LANIERs	Date: 12/25/2006
Subject: Re: EBAY -recent the Simmons--- why would you want a fake part
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42679	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 12/25/2006
Subject: Smoke Units Attachment Pictures
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42680	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 12/25/2006
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] Merry Christmas
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42681	From: ruth.leahy@colorado.edu	Date: 12/25/2006
Subject: White Christmas
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42682	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 12/25/2006
Subject: Smoke Unit Pics now in Photo section
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42683	From: David Dewey	Date: 12/25/2006
Subject: Pilot Wheels & smoke units
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42684	From: Roy Inman	Date: 12/25/2006
Subject: Slightly off topic, but important
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42685	From: Robert A Persing	Date: 12/25/2006
Subject: Re: White Christmas
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42686	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/25/2006
Subject: 21129,21130 weirdness
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42687	From: tomminil@aol.com	Date: 12/25/2006
Subject: Re: 21129,21130 weirdness
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42688	From: Mark Preman	Date: 12/26/2006
Subject: Tampa, Florida Train Show This Weekend
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42689	From: Phil K	Date: 12/26/2006
Subject: Flyer layout in St. Louis department store
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42690	From: lou342ac	Date: 12/26/2006
Subject: Boxes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42691	From: Bill Lane	Date: 12/26/2006
Subject: S Helper Service on MySpace
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42692	From: David Dewey	Date: 12/26/2006
Subject: Re21129 &21130 weirdnes & all other late plug in tenders
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42693	From: Phil K	Date: 12/26/2006
Subject: Re: Boxes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42694	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/26/2006
Subject: Re: Re21129 &21130 weirdnes & all other late plug in tenders
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42695	From: David Dewey	Date: 12/26/2006
Subject: Re: Re21129 &21130 weirdnes & all other late plug in tenders
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42696	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/26/2006
Subject: Re: Re21129 &21130 weirdnes & all other late plug in tenders
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42697	From: garydmccullah	Date: 12/26/2006
Subject: S Hobby Shop
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42698	From: Lawrence Schliessmann	Date: 12/26/2006
Subject: FW: Forward from My Messages: Legal Notice
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42699	From: tomminil@aol.com	Date: 12/26/2006
Subject: Re: Re21129 &21130 weirdnes & all other late plug in tenders
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42700	From: tomminil@aol.com	Date: 12/26/2006
Subject: Re: Re21129 &21130 weirdnes & all other late plug in tenders
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42701	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/26/2006
Subject: Re: ebay item 180063996220
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42702	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/26/2006
Subject: Re: 293
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42703	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/26/2006
Subject: Re: ebay item 180063996220
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42704	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/27/2006
Subject: Re: ebay item 180063996220
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42705	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 12/27/2006
Subject: S Curves
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42706	From: Bill Lane	Date: 12/27/2006
Subject: B&O S Helper Service action on YouTube
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42707	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 12/27/2006
Subject: Re: Mike Marmer and AL Baker - MOUSE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42708	From: muniman18	Date: 12/27/2006
Subject: loco page
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42709	From: Phil K	Date: 12/27/2006
Subject: AF loco specs page
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42710	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 12/27/2006
Subject: S gauge sale advisory
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42711	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/27/2006
Subject: M&W Auction, 21129
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42712	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/27/2006
Subject: Re: S gauge sale advisory
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42713	From: charlie and edith	Date: 12/27/2006
Subject: Lionel/Flyer BAR Boxcar
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42714	From: David A. Avedesian, PE,RPA	Date: 12/28/2006
Subject: American Models Delaware & Hudson Alco's
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42715	From: Bill Adams	Date: 12/28/2006
Subject: Screws
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42716	From: Robert Graves	Date: 12/28/2006
Subject: Re: Lionel/Flyer BAR BoxcarQ
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42717	From: George Cohn	Date: 12/28/2006
Subject: Re: Screws
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42718	From: clayton deich	Date: 12/28/2006
Subject: Re: Screws
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42719	From: bandmember5728	Date: 12/28/2006
Subject: AF Couplers on Rex Locos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42720	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/28/2006
Subject: Re: Screws
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42721	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 12/28/2006
Subject: S Gauge Scale and Brass for Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42722	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 12/29/2006
Subject: Re;Screws
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42723	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/29/2006
Subject: Re: Ebay Seller Allert - Simmons Reefer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42724	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 12/29/2006
Subject: Re;AF couplers on Rex locos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42725	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/29/2006
Subject: Re: Re;Screws
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42726	From: paflyrman	Date: 12/29/2006
Subject: Affixing Track & Sound Deadening
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42727	From: Robert Graves	Date: 12/29/2006
Subject: Re;Screws
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42728	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/29/2006
Subject: Barb........
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42729	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/29/2006
Subject: Re: 20445 SET IN E+ COND ON E-BAY
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42730	From: Alan D. Lambert	Date: 12/29/2006
Subject: k625 Whistle problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42731	From: Doug Peck	Date: 12/30/2006
Subject: k625 Whistle problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42732	From: charlie and edith	Date: 12/30/2006
Subject: Train Collection
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42733	From: acgilbertflyer	Date: 12/30/2006
Subject: TMCC and two rail
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42734	From: r_ahrens99	Date: 12/30/2006
Subject: Re: k625 Whistle problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42735	From: cindynovak2003	Date: 12/30/2006
Subject: thanks for layout moving advice
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42736	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/30/2006
Subject: Re: 336 POWER DRAW LARGE MOTOR
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42737	From: Phil K	Date: 12/30/2006
Subject: Re: 336 POWER DRAW LARGE MOTOR
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42738	From: g94a95	Date: 12/30/2006
Subject: Complaints about Ebay Auctions and such
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42739	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 12/30/2006
Subject: Re: INSURANCE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42740	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 12/30/2006
Subject: PVMR New Years Excursion
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42741	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/30/2006
Subject: Re: 336 POWER DRAW LARGE MOTOR
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42742	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/30/2006
Subject: Re: 336 POWER DRAW LARGE MOTOR
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42743	From: George Cohn	Date: 12/30/2006
Subject: Re: 336 POWER DRAW LARGE MOTOR
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42744	From: acgilbertflyer	Date: 12/31/2006
Subject: Ebay Northern
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42745	From: plimo117	Date: 12/31/2006
Subject: BUSS WIRING
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42746	From: tomminil@aol.com	Date: 12/31/2006
Subject: Re: Ebay Northern
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42747	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 12/31/2006
Subject: Re: BUSS WIRING
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42748	From: boblines51	Date: 12/31/2006
Subject: ebay seller
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42749	From: Gerald Dobbs	Date: 12/31/2006
Subject: (no subject)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42750	From: clayton deich	Date: 12/31/2006
Subject: Re: Ebay Northern
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42751	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 12/31/2006
Subject: Jan 6th KEYSTONE TCA Meet
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42752	From: g94a95	Date: 12/31/2006
Subject: American Models Track versus AF Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42753	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/31/2006
Subject: Fw: Emailing: AMERICAN-FLYER-S-24558-FLAT-CAR-W-ORIGINAL-TREES_W0QQ
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42754	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/31/2006
Subject: Re: THAT SHOULD READ
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42755	From: acgilbertflyer	Date: 12/31/2006
Subject: Speaker for Alco Dummy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42756	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/31/2006
Subject: Re: 336 MYSTER SOLVED
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42757	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 12/31/2006
Subject: New Northern Smoke
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42758	From: LARRY MOORE	Date: 12/31/2006
Subject: Happy New Year
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42759	From: Edward G.	Date: 12/31/2006
Subject: 4th ANNUAL ..2007 NEW YEARS CHAT ROOM GET TOGETHER...##############
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42760	From: muniman18	Date: 12/31/2006
Subject: 935 and 977 caboose
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42761	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/31/2006
Subject: train songs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42762	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/31/2006
Subject: Re: 4th ANNUAL ..2007 NEW YEARS CHAT ROOM GET TOGETHER...##########
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42763	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/31/2006
Subject: Re: 935 and 977 caboose
Group: S-Trains	Message: 42764	From: Alan D. Lambert	Date: 12/31/2006
Subject: Happy New Year

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 37964	From: RCESpeak	Date: 1/1/2006
Subject: Happy New Year

Hi All, Just a quick note to thank you all for the assistance you have provided me and my layout in 2005. I couldn't be building this without you. Have a happy, healthy and peaceful new year!!.... Barb

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37965	From: Phil K	Date: 1/1/2006
Subject: One-inch Flyer replacement motors

These "creations" are now starting to appear on eBay. Just thought you'd like to see a photo and read about 'em. http://tinyurl.com/7b88y Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37966	From: dbs10757	Date: 1/1/2006
Subject: Postwar 779 Oil Drum Loader Motor Problems

I recently picked up a Postwar American Flyer 779 Oil Drum Loader at a train show and didn't bother to test its operation, since these things tend to be indestructable. To my surprise the motor does not work. I pulled out my "Greenberg's American Flyer S Gauge 1945 - 1965 Repair and Operating Manual", and found the manual does not have a schematic / parts diagram for the Oil Drum Loader. I disassembled the Oil Drum Loader hoping it would be something simple like a loose wire, dirty brushes, dirty commutator, etc. As far as I can tell, the 779 motor (or at least the armature) resembles the Flyer diesel motors pictured in the repair manual. However, the 779 motor does not have any brushes or brush holders. I assume this is why the motor won't run, though there may be other missing parts as well. I have never disassembled this type of Flyer motor before. Flyer didn't by any chance make any brushless postwar motors? The gearbox was also full of wax-like grease which I cleaned out with Q-tips and solvent. This certainly contributed to the problem. Without the diagram, I have no idea what parts may be missing. Does anyone have a parts diagram for the Oil Drum Loader they could email to me, or does anyone know where I could find a diagram online? Thank you, David Schwartz TCA 96-43196

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37967	From: Michael T Kolosseus	Date: 1/1/2006
Subject: Updated list of Af for sale

Happy new Year to one and all. My 12 plus page list of AF trains was just emailed to everyone on my list. If you did not receive a copy and would like one emailed to you, please contact me.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37968	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/1/2006
Subject: Did anyone run a train at midnight?

First off, Happy New Year to all!!! Last night I had a band job and wasn't home, but the last three or four years, at the stroke of midnight, I fired up the train under the Christmas tree (or the Seasonal Ornamental Shrub). Anyone else? Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37969	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 1/1/2006
Subject: 355 Paint Match Recommendation

I am preparing to do some touch up painting on a C&NW 355 Baldwin. The touch up is minor, so I could brush it but would prefer to air brush it. What paint manufacturer and number is a good match for the green and yellow? Thanks! BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37970	From: Roger Delthony	Date: 1/1/2006
Subject: 779 Oil Drum Loader Motor Problems

Dear David, I have the loose leaf Greenberg copy of the Flyer service manual which has an exploded drawing and parts list for the 779 and 23779 Oil Drum Loaders. However the exploded drawing shows no brushes as you have found. Bob Hannon in his "A.C. Gilbert's Postwar American Flyer S-Gauge Reference Manual " on page 5-11 shows a brushless motor used in the drum loader and other accessories. I know little about motors and can't explain them to you. If you want a copy of the exploded drawing and parts list, I can mail you one. Good luck, Roger Delthony

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37971	From: RCESpeak	Date: 1/1/2006
Subject: A Christmas Train Story

The following article appeared in the Philadelphia Daily News on December 22, 2005 > > Here's a Yule Story That Ought to be a Movie > > By Ronnie Polaneczky > > AND NOW, in time for the holidays, I bring you the best Christmas story you never heard. It started last Christmas, when Bennett and Vivian Levin were overwhelmed by sadness while listening to radio reports of injured American troops. "We have to let them know we care," Vivian told Bennett. So they organized a trip to bring soldiers from Walter Reed Army Medical Center and Bethesda Naval Hospital to the annual Army-Navy football game in Philly, on Dec. 3. The cool part is, they created their own train line to do it. Yes, there are people in this country who actually own real trains. Bennett Levin - native Philly guy, self-made millionaire and irascible former L&I commish - is one of them. He has three luxury rail cars. Think mahogany paneling, plush seating and white-linen dining areas. He also has two locomotives, which he stores at his Juniata Park train yard. One car, the elegant Pennsylvania, carried John F. Kennedy to the Army-Navy game in 1961 and '62. Later, it carried his brother Bobby's body to D.C. for burial. "That's a lot of history for one car," says Bennett. He and Vivian wanted to revive a tradition that endured from 1936 to 1975, during which trains carried Army-Navy spectators from around the country directly to the stadium where the annual game is played. The Levins could think of no better passengers to reinstate the ceremonial ride than the wounded men and women recovering at Walter Reed in D.C. and Bethesda, in Maryland. "We wanted to give them a first-class experience," says Bennett. "Gourmet meals on board, private transportation from the train to the stadium, perfect seats - real hero treatment." Through the Army War College Foundation, of which he is a trustee, Bennett met with Walter Reed's commanding general, who loved the idea. But Bennett had some ground rules first, all designed to keep the focus on the troops alone: No press on the trip, lest the soldiers' day of pampering devolve into a media circus. No politicians either, because, says Bennett, "I didn't want some idiot making this trip into a campaign photo op." And no Pentagon suits on-board, otherwise the soldiers would be too busy saluting superiors to relax. The general agreed to the conditions, and Bennett realized he had a problem on his hands. "I had to actually make this thing happen," he laughs. Over the next months, he recruited owners of 15 other sumptuous rail cars from around the country - these people tend to know each other - into lending their vehicles for the day. He name of their temporary train? The Liberty Limited. Amtrak volunteered to transport the cars to D.C. - where they'd be coupled together for the round-trip ride to Philly - then back to their owners later. Conrail offered to service the Liberty while it was in Philly. And SEPTA drivers would bus the disabled soldiers 200 yards from the train to Lincoln Financial Field, for the game. A benefactor from the War College ponied up 100 seats to the game - on the 50-yard line - and lunch in a hospitality suite. And corporate donors filled, for free and without asking for publicity, goodie bags for attendees: From Woolrich, stadium blankets. From Wal-Mart, digital cameras. From Nikon, field glasses. From GEAR, down jackets. There was booty not just for the soldiers, but for their guests, too, since each was allowed to bring a friend or family member. The Marines, though, declined the offer. "They voted not to take guests with them, so they could take more Marines," says Levin, choking up at the memory. Bennett's an emotional guy, so he was worried about how he'd react to meeting the 88 troops and guests at D.C.'s Union Station, where the trip originated. Some GIs were missing limbs. Others were wheelchair-bound or accompanied by medical personnel for the day. "They made it easy to be with them," he says. "They were all smiles on the ride to Philly. Not an ounce of self-pity from any of them. They're so full of life and determination." At the stadium, the troops reveled in the game, recalls Bennett. Not even Army's lopsided loss to Navy could deflate the group's rollicking mood. Afterward, it was back to the train and yet another gourmet meal - heroes get hungry, says Levin - before returning to Walter Reed and Bethesda. "The day was spectacular," says Levin. "It was all about these kids. It was awesome to be part of it." The most poignant moment for the Levins was when 11 Marines hugged them goodbye, then sang them the Marine Hymn on the platform at Union Station. "One of the guys was blind, but he said, 'I can't see you, but man, you must be f---ing beautiful!' " says Bennett. "I got a lump so big in my throat, I couldn't even answer him." It's been three weeks, but the Levins and their guests are still feeling the day's love. "My Christmas came early," says Levin, who is Jewish and who loves the Christmas season. "I can't describe the feeling in the air." Maybe it was hope. As one guest wrote in a thank-you note to Bennett and Vivian, "The fond memories generated last Saturday will sustain us all - whatever the future may bring." God bless the Levins. And bless the troops, every one.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37972	From: Russ Dondero	Date: 1/1/2006
Subject: Re: Items for sale

I received a notice that my trains for sale post was too big with the pictures included - so here's the notice minus the pictures. I'd be glad to send the pictures to those interested upon request. I have two extra passenger cars which I'm going to sell. Before I put them on e-Bay is anyone on the S list interested? Best offer plus S&H from the Portland, Oregon metro area. Russ in Oregon Item #1: American Flyer by Lionel, S Gauge Missouri Pacific, "Eagle Spirit" passenger coach car # 6-48914. Item is in mint condition - although it has been run and displayed on my layout over the last 3 years. It's an extra car in my MP set. No scratches, blemishes or marks. Just like NIB(new in box). Runs great. Includes the original AFL box it came in - with the inside packing materials, no tears, end flaps slightly torn. tem # 2: American Flyer by Lionel, S Gauge Northern Pacific passenger coach car # 6-48925 Item is in mint condition - although it has been run and displayed on my layout over the last 3 years. It's an extra car in my set. No scratches, blemishes or marks. Just like NIB (new in box). Runs great. Includes the original red box - with the inside packing materials, no tears, but marks on the two sides. __________________________________ Yahoo! for Good - Make a difference this year. http://brand.yahoo.com/cybergivingweek2005/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37973	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 1/1/2006
Subject: Sunday Chat, 1/1/2006, 8:00 pm

Reminder from the Calendar of S-Trains Sunday Chat Sunday January 1, 2006 8:00 pm - 8:00 pm This event repeats every week. Event Location: http://s-scale.org/forum/ Street: http://s-scale.org/forum/ Notes: http://s-scale.org/forum/ ADVERTISEMENT         Yes No   Yes No       Yes No     Copyright ©  2006  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved. Privacy Policy - Terms of Service

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37974	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/1/2006
Subject: can't get chat forum to load

Hi all, Anyone else able to get to the chat? I can't get it to load onto my browser. Could be my connection. Email me if anyone out there is also trying to get to chat. David

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37975	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/1/2006
Subject: Now I can get there!! AUGH!!

OK just tried again, and this time it loaded. false alarm. David

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37976	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 1/1/2006
Subject: Re: Chat unable to log in?

Help!! Happy New year to yall!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37977	From: Robert Graves	Date: 1/1/2006
Subject: Re: Happy New Year

My sentiments exactly! Well said, Barb. I really appreciate all the good advice and info you have provided. That's why I have invited a bunch of friends to join. Great group. I wish you all the happiest of new years! Bob RCESpeak <rcespeak@...> wrote: Hi All, Just a quick note to thank you all for the assistance you have provided me and my layout in 2005. I couldn't be building this without you. Have a happy, healthy and peaceful new year!!.... Barb S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Yahoo! Shopping Find Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Yahoo! Shopping [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37978	From: Robert Graves	Date: 1/1/2006
Subject: Re: New Layout

Good advice. And if it's up against the wall, two or three feet is a stretch, depending on how high off the floor it is. Bob the stretcher WJJIM@... wrote: Unless you like to crawl, be careful not to get over 4 ft wide (or the max your arms will span) Could do lots of interesting things will walkway and walk-arounds. Jim "livin' on the Pennsy Main" Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37979	From: Robert Graves	Date: 1/1/2006
Subject: Gilbert Hoppers (reprise)

First, I must say I am surprised and pleased at the response I got to my posting. I was right in thinking there might be an interest in such a site. I have therefore upgraded the site so you will no longer get that nasty message that the site is temporarily unavailable. I have also updated the hopper cars page to show some variations of the 632 LNE Hopper plus the 24222 Domino Sugars hopper. I bought the 1980 First Edition of Greenberg's and it helped a lot! http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/Hopper_Cars.html I do find, however, that two of the 632s I have don't fall into any of the 14 variations listed there. Am I correct in concluding that Gilbert made all sorts of variations and didn't ever publish a list of them all? Could it be that we really don't know how many variations were made? Did somebody just grab trucks and couplers out of a bin and assemble cars from whatever they happened to grab? In particular, I have one with Type B trucks and brass coupler weights that isn't listed. And I have a light gray car with marbled plastic and Type B trucks; its lettering is all but faded away, but what remains looks black. Both Greenberg's and TM say the lettering was white. I know it's not a fake because I've had it since I was a kid. I sure wish I had some pictures of it from years ago before the paint faded! Can anybody shed some light on these issues? I'd appreciate it. Bob --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good - Make a difference this year. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37980	From: clifma19	Date: 1/2/2006
Subject: motors

Who was showing the rebuilt motors including the 1 inch motors at Beloit? I would be interested in looking at getting some for my 322s. Cliff Manning Topeka, Ks

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37981	From: John G	Date: 1/2/2006
Subject: Smoke stack removal

=> how does one remove the smoke stack? I use the trianglar shaped handle end of a small metal file to remove the smoke stack. This wedges in nicely to remove the stack. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "muniman18" <muniman18@y...> wrote: > > plain and simple how does one remove the smoke stack does > it unscrew with a pair if needle nose pliers working on 302 mike >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37982	From: dale reynolds	Date: 1/2/2006
Subject: Re: Layouts and Dust

hi michael, this was discussed on the clinchfield list recently. the bottom line was to put an air purifier in the layout room, two for layouts taking up a full basement. since i have an enclosed space for my new 11x14 layout, it seems to be the perfect solution for me, only i am still making plenty of dust with my scenery........... Dale Reynolds reynoldsdale@... > [Original Message] > From: Michael Lueck <pianoman@...> > To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Date: 12/29/2005 11:30:02 AM > Subject: [S-Trains] Layouts and Dust > > Any suggestions out there for keeping layouts looking gleaming new at all > times? With the time I am putting into restoring switches alone... NOT too > interested to see them get dirty again. I have been considering making up a > large enough sheet to cover the layout... anyone have experience with that > route? Probably a two person job to cover / remove so that things sticking up > are not hurt. > > Thanks! > Michael > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37983	From: Robert Graves	Date: 1/2/2006
Subject: Re: Gilbert Hoppers (reprise)

Thanks. That's what I was beginning to think! Is it known for a fact that that's the way Gilbert operated in the 1940s? Or is it just the kind of logical conclusion that arises out of this sort of thing? It looks like things settled down around 1950, though, didn't they? There aren't lots of variations in the later cars. I started into boxcars and reefers the other day and see what you mean about the 639 and 642. Thanks for the tip - I'll avoid that insanity. geep39 <schwartzsj@...> wrote: --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Robert Graves wrote: > > > > I do find, however, that two of the 632s I have don't fall into any of the 14 variations listed there. Am I correct in concluding that Gilbert made all sorts of variations and didn't ever publish a list of them all? Could it be that we really don't know how many variations were made? Did somebody just grab trucks and couplers out of a bin and assemble cars from whatever they happened to grab? > > In particular, I have one with Type B trucks and brass coupler weights that isn't listed. > > And I have a light gray car with marbled plastic and Type B trucks; its lettering is all but faded away, but what remains looks black. Both Greenberg's and TM say the lettering was white. I know it's not a fake because I've had it since I was a kid. I sure wish I had some pictures of it from years ago before the paint faded! > > Can anybody shed some light on these issues? I'd appreciate it. Bob: AHA! You've discovered the vagaries of production! Remember that 600-series hopper cars are about the easiest cars to produce. Just two screws and two trucks are all you need to complete them! Also, don't forget that what's listed in a collector's guide is what the author ran across in HIS realm, not everything that left the factory for sure. There were, no doubt, tests that didn't work out practically, and plastic that wasn't thoroughly mixed before being molded, to answer your concerns. It could be that someone found a bin of trucks that were out of the production sequence. "Here, use these". And, the word in production is: "GET IT OUT THE DOOR!" Changes and mistakes were covered up all the time, I'm sure. I remember reading an article about 639 and 642 boxcars and reefers in a short-lived collectors' magazine some years ago, and it inspired me to start collecting them--the variations will drive ya nuts! Just remember: NOTHING IS SET IN STONE! Steve > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! for Good - Make a difference this year. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37984	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/2/2006
Subject: Driver Wiggle

In answer to Mac's question on driver wiggle, I quote from my Jan 2000 Dispatch article, ""Gauging" the wheels is setting the distance between them. I've been measuring locomotives trying to figure out the "factory specs" for them. Well, gee. . . . Non-Pul-mor locos seem to be gauged wider than the Pul-mor units, but no real pattern! I have locos running that vary from .725" to .685" back-side-to-back-side of drivers, although the .685 loco does weave around a bit! I have more locos that measure .710" than anything else, so I'd use that as a starting point." What I failed to mention is that the factory shoulder on the driver center, that keeps the drive, and more importantly, the rim from touching the chassis could be worn down, allowing the axle to slop from side to side. A thin washer of the right diameter will fix this. I THINK the armature spacing washers are the right size, but I don't have anything handy on which to check this statement--so beware, I could be misleading you! :) let us know what works! S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37985	From: Robert Graves	Date: 1/2/2006
Subject: Re: Gilbert Hoppers (reprise)

So they weren't all painted! The variations really are all over the lot, aren't they? john isn't eddie anymore <druvnik@...> wrote: Hey, Bob-I have an oddball 632 (which I promise to dig out, photograph and send to you) - light grey with "American Flyer" on white (background) sticker. I got it about 10 years from marty Cohen, and have the box, too-john marganski --------------------------------- Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less --------------------------------- Yahoo! Shopping Find Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Yahoo! Shopping [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37986	From: Robert Graves	Date: 1/2/2006
Subject: Reefers online

My reefers page is now as complete as I can make it at this point. http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/reefers.html Next is the Flyonel Christmas cars. If anyone can contribute a picture of the #48016 Merry Christmas GP-20, I'd sure appreciate it! I have pictures of the rest. --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37987	From: g94a95	Date: 1/2/2006
Subject: Question???

I have a question about loco headlights etc...when the engine is running in either forward or reverse, the headlight is dim. When the reverse unit is just humming, the light is alot brighter...is this normal???..or did I do something wrong when I took it apart and cleaned it. its a 316 if that helps...Thanx in advance...Bill

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37988	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/2/2006
Subject: Re: Question???

The brightness of the headlight when running would be determined on how much voltage is going into the loco . More voltage, a brighter headlight. At least on mine anyway!! :^) Rick. I have a question about loco headlights etc...when the engine is running in either forward or reverse, the headlight is dim. When the reverse unit is just humming, the light is alot brighter...is this normal???..or did I do something wrong when I took it apart and cleaned it. its a 316 if that helps...Thanx in advance...Bill S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37989	From: Scott Holm	Date: 1/2/2006
Subject: Re: Question???

Does this engine have a 4 wire plug connector that needs to have the red dot aligned correctly? Would reversing the 4 wire connector plug fix the problem? g94a95 <g94a95@...> wrote: I have a question about loco headlights etc...when the engine is running in either forward or reverse, the headlight is dim. When the reverse unit is just humming, the light is alot brighter...is this normal???..or did I do something wrong when I took it apart and cleaned it. its a 316 if that helps...Thanx in advance...Bill S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37990	From: Robert Graves	Date: 1/2/2006
Subject: 48016 Christmas GP20

The box says it has a DC motor. Do I remember someone saying once that the Flyonel can motors are all DC motors, but that they will run fine with my old Gilbert AC transformers? Or will it run only with a DC power source? My Flyonel MoPac Alcos don't say DC; are they a different technology? Thanks for your help. --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good - Make a difference this year. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37991	From: g94a95	Date: 1/2/2006
Subject: Questions????

Thanx to those who replied to my question. I did find that one of the plugs from the engine to the jack panel had come out and I belive it was causing a short. I will just have to order a new jack panel and some other parts..Thanx again...Bill

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37992	From: Phil K	Date: 1/2/2006
Subject: Re: 48016 Christmas GP20

All of today's can motors are DC. They run on AC power because there is a small rectifier circuit that changes the track's AC power to DC power to operate the motor. So, technically, it IS a DC motor -- but is designed to run on AC power. What you read on the Flyonel 48016 box is rather misleading, although technically correct. I noticed that caveat on the box label when I was getting one ready to run under the tree. So your Christmas GP20 will run fine off any Gilbert AC transformer (that is working properly). The Flyonel Alcos use the same can motor technology -- except for the early renditions like the SP Daylights, which have the older Gilbert-style AC induction motors. Flyonel switched to can motors in its Alcos soon thereafter, and someone else here might know just exactly when. Phil K >> The box says it has a DC motor. Do I remember someone saying once that the Flyonel can motors are all DC motors, but that they will run fine with my old Gilbert AC transformers? Or will it run only with a DC power source? > > My Flyonel MoPac Alcos don't say DC; are they a different technology?<<

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37993	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/3/2006
Subject: Fired 'er up tonite!! (non train, non S-well, except. . .)

To all my S friends--I turned on the house Furnace tonite. Altough I haven't performed all the pressure tests mentioned in the manual, she burns fine, heats the home, and hasn't (yet) burned the place down. I even programed the thermostat! As for S content--one more step on the home rebuild to empty the train room of household objects so trains can be there! S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37994	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 1/3/2006
Subject: Re: Gilbert Hoppers (reprise)

I think that the answer to all the variations early on in post war Flyer is the rapid evolution of the product. Parts were being upgraded, paint was begining to have precedence over natural plastic, and there was an abundance of pre "engineering order" parts that were used to depletion-which is good economics in a production environment. What I find strange is how long Gilbert used marbelised moldings-I've seen them on virtually everything, including an early heavyweight set I have, in red, with grey or white running thru the base color. Just can't reconcile th lapse (my perception, anyway) in quality control that such items seem to represent.perhaps Gilbert QC/QA assumed buyers would have a lower expectation of what they'd get? At this point in time, who can say? All the real decisionmakers at A.C. Gilbert's plant are long gone. Leaves us ample fodder to ruminate-john marganski --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good - Make a difference this year. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37995	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 1/3/2006
Subject: Re: 48016 Christmas GP20 - Induction Motors?

Phil, ...except for the early renditions like the SP Daylights, which have the older Gilbert-style AC induction motors. The old style motors were brushed not induction, weren't they?... Induction motors are brushless aren't they?... Most of the old accessories were induction motors... Scott Dee

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37996	From: clifma19	Date: 1/3/2006
Subject: repainting

I am getting ready to repaint a Royal Blue in to a Circus Engine. Should I strip the paint before I repaint? If so which way do you recommend? Should I bake the paint when I am done? Your recommendations would be appreciated. Clifford Manning Topeka, Ks

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37997	From: Phil K	Date: 1/3/2006
Subject: Re: 48016 Christmas GP20 - Induction Motors?

Phil K wrote: ...except for the early renditions like the SP Daylights, which have the older Gilbert-style AC induction motors. > The old style motors were brushed not induction, weren't they?... > Induction motors are brushless aren't they?... Most of the old > accessories were induction motors... > > Scott Dee > First let me say I'm not an electrical engineer, but here's what I've learned over the years: Of the many types of AC motors available, there are two basic types of rotors (armatures) used in induction motors. The type you choose is based on the intended use. Most AC induction motors designed to operate at a constant speed (i.e., some furnace blower motors) use what is called the "squirrel cage rotor." An alternate design, as used by AC Gilbert in his company's locomotives, is called the "wound rotor (armature)" and is used when it is desireable to be able to operate the motor at variable speeds. In wound induction motors, the wound armature/rotor has the same number of poles as the wound field (magnet) assembly with windings made of enameled wire. Carbon brushes connect the armature to an external controller such as a variable resistor (or variable volt transformer in the case of trains) that allows changing the motor's spin rate. Compared to squirrel cage rotors, wound armature induction motors are expensive and require maintenance of the brushes, but they were the standard form for variable speed control before the advent of compact power electronic devices. What Gilbert used during its heyday could also be classified as a "universal motor" -- which is a hybrid of the standard induction motors and has a wound armature and a wound stator (field assembly), which would allow it to run either on AC or DC power. Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37998	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 1/3/2006
Subject: Re: York TCA Meet - lodging

Wow have hit a stone wall in trying to find hotel room for the April TCA Meet, if any of you all have some ideas please let this ole boy know, always look forward to going. Jerry Matsick

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37999	From: FEZANDPAZ@aol.com	Date: 1/3/2006
Subject: Re: repainting

If the original paint is not chipped you can sand it with very very fine wet/dry sandpaper ,use 2000 grit or 1500 grit paper. Use it with water [use a bucket 1/2 full] rinse the paper often, this will keep paper clean,will lubricate while you sand and most important keep paper from fouling with paint and scratching your surface..Always sand in one direction only! In straight lines. You can use a Scotch Brite pad to break the glaze or a combination of both in tight places. If the surface is badly chipped you may as well strip it, prime it and paint your top color . Baking paint is a hold out from the "old days". Paint is made to air dry[although paints using catalysts are available] and may require a clear coat to get a shine. Leaded paint was shiny, today lead is a four letter word, so if you use an automotive paint you'll probably have to clear coat it. I once used an auto touch-up paint in a can to match the pilot on my Royal Blue. It was a close match. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38000	From: Doug Peck	Date: 1/3/2006
Subject: Variations

<< The variations really are all over the lot, aren't they? >> One of the guys in our club started to collect variations of the 630 caboose.....note---JUST the 630. He stopped when he had over 80 of them....all different in some way.....and began selling them off again on EBAY ! WAY beyond the Greenberg list of variations!! Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: http://www.portlines.com E-mail: doug@... VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38001	From: keefer1	Date: 1/3/2006
Subject: chief pile it , rcon ,bob

Contact me off list please about a non train related item.Oh my furnace is working, but not in use due to the unussually high temps we have been having. . (obligatory furnace comment) __________________________________________ Yahoo! DSL – Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38002	From: Gregg	Date: 1/3/2006
Subject: Flyonel SF B Unit w/ Railsounds

Before I contact "L," has anyone else had a problem with the new B Unit not rolling freely on the track? I have had 2 two-motor Alcos lashed up trying to pull it and it bearly moves. Sounds are great - at the station. Gregg Mummert

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38003	From: Doug Peck	Date: 1/3/2006
Subject: Re: Bumpers

<<One of the bumpers has yellow stripes on the cross beam. I can't find any description of this in Greenburg's Vol. II.>> These are most definitely reproductions....they also exist in red and black, with the yellow warning stripes. We carry them all. The real "give-away" that they are not original is that there is NO "AC Gilbert" raised lettering on the upper surface of the new bumpers (with or without stripes) as there is on all originals! Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: http://www.portlines.com E-mail: doug@... VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38004	From: Doug Peck	Date: 1/3/2006
Subject: Re: Armored car for 715

<<Subject: Armored car for 715 Does anyone know if there are any differences (cosmetic or otherwise) between the armored car supplied with the pre-war 472 and post-war 715 vehicle unloading cars?>> Someone already mentioned the tire difference, although there are more variations than the two noted. A significant difference is that the casting was changed where the axles pass through the side of the car shell. On one, they simply pass through holes in the sides.....on the other, there is an expanded part of the casting around the hole, with the axle passing through it. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: http://www.portlines.com E-mail: doug@... VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38005	From: Doug Peck	Date: 1/3/2006
Subject: Re: Motors

<<Who was showing the rebuilt motors including the 1 inch motors at Beloit?>> Although we didn't make it to Beloit for this year's S-Fest (family obligation that same week), we do stock both the 3/4" supermotors, and the 1" "maxi-motors" (for Northerns only). Of course we also have the can motor conversions for steam engines, Baldwins, and Alcos/Geeps. Can motor details on our website. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: http://www.portlines.com E-mail: doug@... VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38006	From: Doug Peck	Date: 1/3/2006
Subject: Removing chassis pins

<<The pins you mention are press fit in the plastic shell...........apply the tip of the iron to the pin (gingerly - you do NOT want to overheat things). The pin will loosen very quickly. >> Kenny's tip for removing the small chassis/floor pins is correct. However, I find it easier (instead of trying to pull with pliers at the same time) to pry upward with a mini-prybar tool. They are inexpensive and can be seen on the TOOLS page of our website. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: http://www.portlines.com E-mail: doug@... VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38007	From: velapoldi	Date: 1/4/2006
Subject: Re: S Helper' new Consolidation

Hi all: Just got back from a trip to the States and picked up my 2-8-0 ATSF consolidation. Now that I have read Jerry's e-mail (one of 1000 waiting), I wonder if this is applicable to all the Consolidations?? What is the fix for the 'unforeseen problem with a capacitor'? Rance Velapoldi (Norway) Jerry Matsick wrote: >The best from the best! On Tuesday my fantastic 2-8-0 WM >Consolidation arrived. Beautiful as I was sure the engine was the >packaging of this item was great too. So carefully boxed, I was >having trouble getting the engine out, called Don Thompson at S >Helper >and at the same time I was talking to Don, he told me an unforeseen >problem with a 'capacitor" and that I should return the engine for >it >to be updated. Being disappointed and not mad at Don, I agreed to >have this engine operate correctly was Don's and my agreement also. >I am sure first of all that when I was an O gauger, talking to Mr. >MTH or Mr. LIONEL it would never happened. Don and Robin and the >staff at S Helper have worked long and hard to get us S Gauger's a >fantastic and super operting S Scale Steam Engine. Don Thompson has >given us the best in a Steam Engine and hopefully my WM 2-8-0 will >soon be rolling down the track on my "Jax S Ville" layout very soon. >ALL S-Train members are welcome to stop in and visit. Proud to >be associated with the best in S Gause/Scale railroading. > >THANKS S HELPER - Thanks Don and Robin! >Merry Christmas to you both and all the Soon to be operators of >the fantastic new 2-8-0 Consolidation by the SHOWCASELINE > >Jerry Matsick > > > > > > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >Enjoy thousands of great photos >at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38008	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 1/4/2006
Subject: Re: Flyonel SF B Unit w/ Railsounds

Gregg, This is not normal. Check to see if all of the wheels turn freely through 360 degrees of rotation. The diesel prime mover micro switch sensor may be out of adjustment interfering with the rotation of it's axle. It may just need an adjustment which is easy to do. I have also seen the truck side frames drag on the wheels at it's corners. This clearence can be adjusted also. A drop of light oil on the axles may also help. Carl -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Gregg Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 9:33 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Flyonel SF B Unit w/ Railsounds Before I contact "L," has anyone else had a problem with the new B Unit not rolling freely on the track? I have had 2 two-motor Alcos lashed up trying to pull it and it bearly moves. Sounds are great - at the station. Gregg Mummert S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38009	From: don@showcaseline.com	Date: 1/4/2006
Subject: Re: S Helper' new Consolidation

Dear Rance, I think the best way for me to respond from London is for you to go to our website and on our home page, go to the 2-8-0 status report for the latest info. Best from London, Don >Hi all: >Just got back from a trip to the States and picked up my 2-8-0 ATSF >consolidation. Now that I have read Jerry's e-mail (one of 1000 >waiting), I wonder if this is applicable to all the Consolidations?? >What is the fix for the 'unforeseen problem with a capacitor'? >Rance Velapoldi (Norway) > >Jerry Matsick wrote: > >>The best from the best! On Tuesday my fantastic 2-8-0 WM >>Consolidation arrived. Beautiful as I was sure the engine was the >>packaging of this item was great too. So carefully boxed, I was >>having trouble getting the engine out, called Don Thompson at S >>Helper >>and at the same time I was talking to Don, he told me an unforeseen >>problem with a 'capacitor" and that I should return the engine for >>it >>to be updated. Being disappointed and not mad at Don, I agreed to >>have this engine operate correctly was Don's and my agreement also. >>I am sure first of all that when I was an O gauger, talking to Mr. >>MTH or Mr. LIONEL it would never happened. Don and Robin and the >>staff at S Helper have worked long and hard to get us S Gauger's a >>fantastic and super operting S Scale Steam Engine. Don Thompson has >>given us the best in a Steam Engine and hopefully my WM 2-8-0 will >>soon be rolling down the track on my "Jax S Ville" layout very soon. >>ALL S-Train members are welcome to stop in and visit. Proud to >>be associated with the best in S Gause/Scale railroading. >> >>THANKS S HELPER - Thanks Don and Robin! >>Merry Christmas to you both and all the Soon to be operators of >>the fantastic new 2-8-0 Consolidation by the SHOWCASELINE >> >>Jerry Matsick >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com >>All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! >> >>Enjoy thousands of great photos >>at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail >>Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >Enjoy thousands of great photos >at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38010	From: Roy Inman	Date: 1/4/2006
Subject: Re: S Helper' new Consolidation

Rance, In that stack of emails is no doubt one from Don which describes how they are handling the problem. As I recall, after they became aware of the capacitor problem, they fixed it at SHS-USA and put an orange sticker on the outside of the box to indicate the repair. All others need to return to SHS for the free fix. But that is to the best of my memory. Others will have the exact wording I'm sure. Roy Inman > From: velapoldi <velapoldi@...> > Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 12:23:32 +0100 > To: Jerry Matsick <jpmatsick@...> > Cc: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] re: S Helper' new Consolidation > > Hi all: > Just got back from a trip to the States and picked up my 2-8-0 ATSF > consolidation. Now that I have read Jerry's e-mail (one of 1000 > waiting), I wonder if this is applicable to all the Consolidations?? > What is the fix for the 'unforeseen problem with a capacitor'? > Rance Velapoldi (Norway) > > Jerry Matsick wrote: > >> The best from the best! On Tuesday my fantastic 2-8-0 WM >> Consolidation arrived. Beautiful as I was sure the engine was the >> packaging of this item was great too. So carefully boxed, I was >> having trouble getting the engine out, called Don Thompson at S >> Helper >> and at the same time I was talking to Don, he told me an unforeseen >> problem with a 'capacitor" and that I should return the engine for >> it >> to be updated. Being disappointed and not mad at Don, I agreed to >> have this engine operate correctly was Don's and my agreement also. >> I am sure first of all that when I was an O gauger, talking to Mr. >> MTH or Mr. LIONEL it would never happened. Don and Robin and the >> staff at S Helper have worked long and hard to get us S Gauger's a >> fantastic and super operting S Scale Steam Engine. Don Thompson has >> given us the best in a Steam Engine and hopefully my WM 2-8-0 will >> soon be rolling down the track on my "Jax S Ville" layout very soon. >> ALL S-Train members are welcome to stop in and visit. Proud to >> be associated with the best in S Gause/Scale railroading. >> >> THANKS S HELPER - Thanks Don and Robin! >> Merry Christmas to you both and all the Soon to be operators of >> the fantastic new 2-8-0 Consolidation by the SHOWCASELINE >> >> Jerry Matsick >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com >> All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! >> >> Enjoy thousands of great photos >> at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail >> Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38011	From: Scott Holm	Date: 1/4/2006
Subject: Re: Flyonel SF B Unit w/ Railsounds

Yes, I have had the problem. I put it away and had forgotten about it. Please share with us what Lionel tells you. Gregg <gmummert@...> wrote: Before I contact "L," has anyone else had a problem with the new B Unit not rolling freely on the track? I have had 2 two-motor Alcos lashed up trying to pull it and it bearly moves. Sounds are great - at the station. Gregg Mummert S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38012	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 1/4/2006
Subject: Re: Flyonel SF B Unit w/ Railsounds

Hmm, I have never had mine out of the box. Maybe I should have a look at it... MK ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Holm" <imsscott@...> To: "Gregg" <gmummert@...>; <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 10:13 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Flyonel SF B Unit w/ Railsounds > Yes, I have had the problem. I put it away and had forgotten about it. > Please share with us what Lionel tells you. > > Gregg <gmummert@...> wrote: Before I contact "L," has anyone else > had a problem with the new B Unit > not rolling freely on the track? I have had 2 two-motor Alcos lashed > up trying to pull it and it bearly moves. Sounds are great - at the > station. > > Gregg Mummert > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38013	From: Dick	Date: 1/4/2006
Subject: The Trip/Hobby Shops

Evening Group, I'll be leaving for Melbourne Fla.via Alexander Va. on the 14th. and was wondering if anyone knew of any S-Scale stocking shops close to Rte.95. Thanks for the information Dick Bennett

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38014	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 1/4/2006
Subject: Gauging Flyer

Hi All, David Dewey wrote: “"Gauging" the wheels is setting the distance between them. I've been measuring locomotives trying to figure out the "factory specs" for them. Well, gee. . . . Non-Pul-mor locos seem to be gauged wider than the Pul-mor units, but no real pattern! I have locos running that vary from .725" to .685" back-side-to-back-side of drivers, although the .685 loco does weave around a bit! I have more locos that measure .710" than anything else, so I'd use that as a starting point." Many of you have probably seen the review of my turnouts in the most recent S Gaugian and the mention of “proper Flyer gauging”. I have wondered what that might be, also. I chose to start my investigation by measuring the “ribbing” on the axles of Flyer rolling stock and found it is about .6350” apart. The back side of the wheel has a “hub” that is about .0355”, though it can vary a bit. If the wheels are pushed onto the axle until the ribbing just starts to show at the hub, the gauging is 2 times .0355” plus .6350”or .7020”. If you allow a bit more of the ribbing to show, you soon get .710”, about 23/32”. I thought of trying an ACG 90° crossing for size and its dimensional stability. In the bakelite diamond of the crossing, I pushed the wheels on their axle out until they could go no more. At this point, the back-to-back measure was about .7400”. Next I pushed the wheels together to find the inner limits; b-t-b was about .6500”. Both measurements were the extreme; however, the results show a range beyond which the wheelset couldn’t make it through the crossing. The average of the two measurements was .6950”—hmmm. I am surprised that no blue prints exist for the construction of the machines that pushed the wheels onto the axles. Somebody had to design them to some ‘standard’. I would expect to find the ‘official’ back-to-back spacing there. It is interesting we have standards for everything else, but not for Flyer gauging. Personally, I prefer the 23/32” spacing because there is get less picking of turnout points that way. I believe you will also see less wobble in your ACG steamers with wider gauging. I find Hi-rail a little wider; somewhere around .7280” and I have been told that Flyonel is a mess (as far as gauging is concerned) with no apparent gauge in mind at all. Is it time to establish a standardize gauging for Flyer (and by default, Flyonel)? I think it would be helpful. Tom Stoltz Tom’s Turnouts & Trackwork Maine S Gaugers NASG [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38015	From: NASG Library	Date: 1/4/2006
Subject: Mobley Library "vacation"

All -- The NASG's Russell M. Mobley Memorial Library will be closed from Jan. 6 through approximately Jan. 25 in order to tend to a family requirement. Dick Karnes, Libnrarian Russell M. Mobley Memorial Library NASG Inc.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38016	From: mlmarmer	Date: 1/4/2006
Subject: A League of Their Own.

On New Year's Eve, my wife and I watched the movie, A League of Their Own, about the girls (women) baseball league, that had there first season in 1943. Hey, beats having a hang over, like in my earlier days of life! In the movie, there was a scene at a ball game, as they showed the outfield with billboards. One of the billboards was for Lionel Trains. However, something is wrong with having that billboard in the movie. Why is that? I will give my opinion later, on why that is, to let you think about this. O:)! Any opinions before I give mine? Mike Marmer

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38017	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/4/2006
Subject: Re: A League of Their Own.

(((However, something is wrong with having that billboard in the movie.))) Lionel wasn't making any trains during the war?? GREAT movie, BTW. I always watch quite a bit of it when it's on one of the movie channels I get. I can't ever switch the channel!! Rick. S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38018	From: Phil K	Date: 1/4/2006
Subject: Re: A League of Their Own.

I'll take a crack at this 'cause I love puzzles. Lionel, like other similar companies, stopped making toy trains during WWII due to the shortage/rationing of raw materials and therefore wasn't selling them, either. However, the movie makers might wiggle off the hook on this by claiming the sign was there since the stadium's pre-war days and no one has rented that space since. BTW, the train scenes shot at the beginning of the movie were accomplished at the Illinois Railroad Museum here in the Chicagoland area (Union, Ill.) and include views of the Frisco 1630 Baldwin 2-10- 0 decapod. Also very prominent in the opening of the flick is the CB&Q E5A 9911A Nebraska Zephyr, which still operates at the IRM and gives visitors rides in the same streamline car interiors seen in the movie. You'll notice catenary poles and overhead power lines in the "Nebraska Zephyr on the move" scenes. The IRM also has a large stable of operating trolleys and traction stuff. http://www.irm.org Phil K ***************************************************************** --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mlmarmer" <mlmarmer@m...> wrote: > > On New Year's Eve, my wife and I watched the movie, A League of Their Own, > about the girls (women) baseball league, that had there first season in > 1943. > > Hey, beats having a hang over, like in my earlier days of life! > > In the movie, there was a scene at a ball game, as they showed the outfield > with billboards. > > One of the billboards was for Lionel Trains. > > However, something is wrong with having that billboard in the movie. > > Why is that? > > I will give my opinion later, on why that is, to let you think about this. > O:)! > > Any opinions before I give mine? > > Mike Marmer >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38019	From: winchester54947	Date: 1/4/2006
Subject: replacing track pins

any suggestions on repairing broken track pins? not enough sticking out to grab. split the track seam and recrimp? drill it? or just recycle it?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38020	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 1/4/2006
Subject: Re: A League of Their Own.

LIONEL never stopped advertising during WWII, they did magazine advertising all thru the war, to remain in the public eye. Jim "runnin' two-rails thru Paradise" Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38021	From: tedcanflyer	Date: 1/4/2006
Subject: DC transformer???

Hi my first message and it will probably be a laugher to most... I have been back running AF trains since 1988 and never thought about this question before, so here goes. I just purchased a used American Models FA/FB [Canadian Pacific]for my layout. It is hi rail "DC" and I was wondering what kind/brand/output of DC transformer I will need to get my new[er] diesels up and running. Thanks for any advice before hand, much appreciated... Ted

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38022	From: FEZANDPAZ@aol.com	Date: 1/4/2006
Subject: Re: replacing track pins

You may be able to drive it into the rail. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38023	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 1/4/2006
Subject: Re: replacing track pins

I don't deal with Flyer track now, but I did in an earlier life. When I had a piece of track with something wrong at one end, like a bent rail or loose or bent tie, or the situation you described where you could not remove the broken pin, I would simply saw the track in half and use the half that did not have the problem. I had enought need for 1/2 track pieces to make this a useful way to get some use out of the bad track piece. - Earl Henry, Nashville [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38024	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 1/4/2006
Subject: Re: DC transformer???

Hi Ted, The way I see it, you have two choices: make your "new" train run on AC or keep it DC. If you keep it DC, a good HO type DC tranformer is fine. Look at train shows for them as they are very common, or visit a good hobby shop to see what's available. The American Models locomotives draw less than an amp current and are easilly handled by an HO transformer of medium size. If you want to convert it to AC so you can run it on the same tracks as your AF trains (without changing your power supply), you will need an electronic reversing unit. Contact either Dalee or any of the suppliers of S trains (like Doug Peck). The instalation is straight forward, and not too difficult. In the long run, if all your other trains are AC, then it probably would be easiest to convert this one (or two) locomotive(s) to run with the rest of the AC units. There are pro's and con's to doing either. Your call. And Ted --- there is NO laugher question! This group exists to help fellow S gaugers out. Welcome! Jerry Poniatowski Registrar, 2006 NASG Convention --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "tedcanflyer" <rturczak@m...> wrote: > > Hi my first message and it will probably be a laugher to most... I > have been back running AF trains since 1988 and never thought about > this question before, so here goes. I just purchased a used American > Models FA/FB [Canadian Pacific]for my layout. It is hi rail "DC" and I > was wondering what kind/brand/output of DC transformer I will need to > get my new[er] diesels up and running. Thanks for any advice before > hand, much appreciated... > Ted >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38025	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 1/4/2006
Subject: Re: A League of Their Own.

They weren't making any trains in the war years..... Steve [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38026	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 1/4/2006
Subject: Re: replacing track pins

The easiest thing to do is just use another track pin to drive the broken one into the hollow rail. When it's at the proper depth, crimp it a bit with wire cutters and you're in business! I've saved many a track section that way. Jerry --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "winchester54947" <winchester54947@y...> wrote: > > any suggestions on repairing broken track pins? not enough sticking out > to grab. split the track seam and recrimp? drill it? or just recycle > it? >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38027	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/4/2006
Subject: Alco wheel question

I am NOT familiar with Alcos!! Now that we've got THAT outta the way, I have a question. Out of the eight wheels on the "A" unit, one front wheel and one rear wheel appears to have rubber on them, or is it gunk?? And the wheel behind the gunked/rubber wheel in the front, has a sticky substance on it.......like a crapped-out rubberband or tape residue. HELP! PS......this is a 360 Alco and runs like crazy!! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38028	From: Phil K	Date: 1/5/2006
Subject: Re: Alco wheel question

Rick -- Sounds like you have a chassis with Pull-Mor tires. On Alco PAs, for better traction, there was one rubberized wheel on each four-wheel truck, front and back. Gilbert also put 'em on steamers. However, I sorta doubt what you have is a "factory original." Gilbert made the 360s from 1950 to 1952, but according to my research, Pull-Mor wheels did not start appearing on Alco PAs until 1953. Could have been done at a repair shop, or maybe someone switched chassis. Phil K --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Evans" <bassflyer@c...> wrote: > > I am NOT familiar with Alcos!! > Now that we've got THAT outta the way, I have a question. > Out of the eight wheels on the "A" unit, one front wheel and one rear wheel > appears to have rubber on them, or is it gunk?? > And the wheel behind the gunked/rubber wheel in the front, has a sticky substance > on it.......like a crapped-out rubberband or tape residue. > > HELP! > > PS......this is a 360 Alco and runs like crazy!! > > Rick. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38029	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 1/5/2006
Subject: Re: replacing track pins

Spread the problem end by sticking a screwdriver blade into the gap in the rail at the bottom, spread, remove broken pin, close the rail a bit with needle nose pliers, insert new pin, squeeze the rail tight. If there's any deformity on the rail head, it can be dressed out with a file-john marganski --------------------------------- Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38030	From: BENJAMIN PERRY	Date: 1/5/2006
Subject: Re: A League of Their Own.

Greetings All, LIONEL did make "trains" during WWII. Remember the infamous cardboard train. Ben Perry The hobo Lets his Whiskers sprout It's trains-not girls That he takes out BURMA-SHAVE -----Original Message----- From: Phil K Sent: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 17:09:50 -0800 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: A League of Their Own. I'll take a crack at this 'cause I love puzzles. Lionel, like other similar companies, stopped making toy trains during WWII due to the shortage/rationing of raw materials and therefore wasn't selling them, either. However, the movie makers might wiggle off the hook on this by claiming the sign was there since the stadium's pre-war days and no one has rented that space since. BTW, the train scenes shot at the beginning of the movie were accomplished at the Illinois Railroad Museum here in the Chicagoland area (Union, Ill.) and include views of the Frisco 1630 Baldwin 2-10- 0 decapod. Also very prominent in the opening of the flick is the CB&Q E5A 9911A Nebraska Zephyr, which still operates at the IRM and gives visitors rides in the same streamline car interiors seen in the movie. You'll notice catenary poles and overhead power lines in the "Nebraska Zephyr on the move" scenes. The IRM also has a large stable of operating trolleys and traction stuff. http://www.irm.org Phil K ***************************************************************** --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mlmarmer" <mlmarmer@m...> wrote: > > On New Year's Eve, my wife and I watched the movie, A League of Their Own, > about the girls (women) baseball league, that had there first season in > 1943. > > Hey, beats having a hang over, like in my earlier days of life! > > In the movie, there was a scene at a ball game, as they showed the outfield > with billboards. > > One of the billboards was for Lionel Trains. > > However, something is wrong with having that billboard in the movie. > > Why is that? > > I will give my opinion later, on why that is, to let you think about this. > O:)! > > Any opinions before I give mine? > > Mike Marmer > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38031	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 1/5/2006
Subject: Re: A League of Their Own.

Urban legend has LIONEL available all thru the war years at Madison Hardware, IF you were the "right people". Most things that were banned or rationed could be had by the "right people", same as today. A C Gilbert is supposed to have had over $600,000 in metal parts on shelves in 1942 that they were not allowed to sell, in case the metal was needed for the war effort. Most, if not all of the parts were scrapped in 1946 because they were heavily rusted or possibly damaged by "zinc pest". Never heard anything like that about LIONEL inventory. Jim "two rails thru Paradise" Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38032	From: ED WHELAN	Date: 1/5/2006
Subject: TRACK OPTIONS?

Hello to all, I'm in the process of building a 16' x 20' layout for my A.F collection and have plenty of old track. Doug Peck @ Port Lines gave me some good info some time ago, but would appreciate any input on the "new" types that are currently available. My main concern is whether or not the new track is compatible with the 771 stockyard, loading platform etc. and all of the various operating cars and equipment. I'm legally blind and am leaning toward S-Helper Service ballasted track that snaps together for ease of installation but am concerned about the potential modifications required for A.F. accessories. I will appreciate any advise, Ed Whelan-Pittsburgh, PA [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38033	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 1/5/2006
Subject: Keystone Div Train Meet

TCA'S KEYSTONE DIVISION'S JANUARY MEET AND SALE is scheduled for January 7th, 2006 (this Saturday) at St Philip the Apostle Catholic Church in Millersville PA. Corner of PA Rt 741 and PA 999, the "round" church. Easy to get to from anywhere USA. Open 9 AM to TCA members, 10 AM to 1 PM to the General Public. $5.00 Admission is charged. TCA members contact Ron Morris for tables, _Rontrain@..._ (mailto:Rontrain@...) TCA members can JOIN Keystone Div at this meet or by mail. $15.00 per year. Jim [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38034	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/5/2006
Subject: Re: Alco wheel question

**((Someone, (maybe me) may have added a pair one behind the other))** **(((Could have been done at a repair shop, or maybe someone switched chassis)))***. It's very possible they were added, switched, whatever. I bought the 360/364 used in from a place in Tehachapi, CA....it had the lower part of the engine's front-end repaired, and some repainting done, and possibly some decal work. The fella did a great job IMHO. Rick. Sounds like you have a chassis with Pull-Mor tires. On Alco PAs, for better traction, there was one rubberized wheel on each four-wheel truck, front and back. Gilbert also put 'em on steamers. However, I sorta doubt what you have is a "factory original." Gilbert made the 360s from 1950 to 1952, but according to my research, Pull-Mor wheels did not start appearing on Alco PAs until 1953. Could have been done at a repair shop, or maybe someone switched chassis. Phil K --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Evans" <bassflyer@c...> wrote: > > I am NOT familiar with Alcos!! > Now that we've got THAT outta the way, I have a question. > Out of the eight wheels on the "A" unit, one front wheel and one rear wheel > appears to have rubber on them, or is it gunk?? > And the wheel behind the gunked/rubber wheel in the front, has a sticky substance > on it.......like a crapped-out rubberband or tape residue. > > HELP! > > PS......this is a 360 Alco and runs like crazy!! > > Rick. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38035	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 1/5/2006
Subject: Re: Track Cleaning Cars and dirty track

With 18 months of S gauge operation the one noticable difference i have found with S gauge compared to operation of O Gauge trains is the dirty track problem. First of all why would S track get dirtier quicker than O Gauge track? Second - experience with track cleaning cars, what do you all recommend as far as a good quality track cleaning car? Your response greatly appreciated. Jerry Matsick

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38036	From: manderman	Date: 1/5/2006
Subject: Re: Track Cleaning Cars and dirty track

A member of our Susquehanna S gauge group proposes the theory that because O gauge track is round and not flat like our "more realistic" S gauge track, the dirt and grime is pushed off of the top contact point where track and wheels meet just by the weight of the engine and cars as the use the track. S gauge track seems to accumulate all the grime on its flat surface. Seems logical to me at least. Mark A With 18 months of S gauge operation the one noticable difference i have found with S gauge compared to operation of O Gauge trains is the dirty track problem. First of all why would S track get dirtier quicker than O Gauge track? Second - experience with track cleaning cars, what do you all recommend as far as a good quality track cleaning car? Your response greatly appreciated. Jerry Matsick S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38037	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 1/5/2006
Subject: Re;track cleaning cars and dirty track

I agree that rounded rail will keep less dirt than flat top rail. But I think there's more to it than that. With two rail track the current is picked up and grounded on the two running rails, which all wheels also run on. With three rail track the current is picked up off the center rail and grounded by both running rails. Only the locomotive's pick up rollers run on the center rail. All the wheels of all the locos and cars run on the running rails, but there are TWO of them handling the grounding function. Now, we know that wheels "track" dirt around the layout, so obviously we would have less dirt trouble on three rail track. Some rail is better at staying clean than others, nickel silver currently being considered the best. Brass and steel (Flyer) are not as good. As to track cleaning cars, SnS Trains makes a good one and it is sold through S-Helper and Portlines as well as direct. I make my own, following John Allen's practice of a sliding piece of Masonite under a common freight car. There are other track cleaning cars out there. Stumpy Stone...veteran track cleaner in Appalachia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38038	From: mlmarmer	Date: 1/5/2006
Subject: A League Of Their Own

Thanks to all of you who replied to my question about the movie. You all thought I was thinking about no trains being made during the war, except for that paper set by Lionel. My thinking however, is that the billboard should of been advertising A.C. Gilbert's American Flyer trains. O:)!!! Two rail track, not three! Just kidding, as my thinking was that it was the war, like many of you and no trains were made, since many companies were converted over to wartime products. However, why the billboard then for Lionel. Good thinking by many of you, as I can understand that maybe Lionel knew that the war would be over someday and you must keep advertising your product or it will be forgotten. Or, did the writers of the movie want billboards of products that would be recognize by the viewers, as maybe they did not know the situation in manufacturing. Who knows? Only by asking someone connected with the movie, will we get the answer. That will be difficult. I do remember what the billboard looked like, as the engine, had a head on look, as the engine had a art deco look in blue and a orange background. Were those the colors of Lionel in 1940, as I know those are the colors today. Sorry, I am a Flyer collector, so I don't know. Anyway, it would be interesting to find out the thinking by the movie makers and why the billboard. Or maybe someone at Lionel might know the answer. By the way. AF did have allot of left over things from the war, that were used in accessories I am told. Mike Marmer

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38039	From: dbs10757	Date: 1/5/2006
Subject: Postwar 779 Oil Drum Loader Motor Problems - Solved

I want to thank everyone for their emails and list replies to my questions. Several people sent me the 779 parts diagram which I have posted in the Photos section as requested. The oil drum loader is indeed a brushless motor. I cleaned the solidified grease out of the gear box, aligned the armature (rotor) in the field (stator), and now have the oil drum loader running on my layout. At 16 - 20 volts the 779 runs slowly and quietly. Until this week I had been using an LTI Oil Drum Loader reissue from the mid-1990s. The modern era version uses a can motor, runs very fast at 10 volts, and is pretty noisy. Unfortunately it was not very reliable, broke several drive belts, and tended to drop the oil drum most of the time. I know a lot of folks are hooked on modern era trains with digital command control and all the electronic features. I still prefer the older (postwar / prewar) items, and never cease to be amazed at how well made they were. Thanks again, David Schwartz

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38040	From: mlmarmer	Date: 1/5/2006
Subject: Movie

Okay, I asked my question directly to Lionel. I wonder if I will get a response. O:)! Mike Marmer

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38041	From: Dave W	Date: 1/5/2006
Subject: Marx 3/16" conversions

Hi gang and Happy New Year, How many folks out there are running Marx 3/16" on Flyer trucks? Anyone got photos? Anyone got reservations about carving up 3/16" Marx tin? So many questions! Regards, Dave W

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38042	From: keefer1	Date: 1/5/2006
Subject: Re: Re;track cleaning cars and dirty track

Along those lines, I think the all metal tapered wheels is a big factor. Keith --- Stumpy Stone <mrstumpy@...> wrote: > I agree that rounded rail will keep less dirt than > flat top rail. But > I think there's more to it than that. > With two rail track the current is picked up and > grounded on the two > running rails, which all wheels also run on. With > three rail track > the current is picked up off the center rail and > grounded by both > running rails. Only the locomotive's pick up > rollers run on the > center rail. All the wheels of all the locos and > cars run on the > running rails, but there are TWO of them handling > the grounding > function. > Now, we know that wheels "track" dirt around the > layout, so > obviously we would have less dirt trouble on three > rail track. > Some rail is better at staying clean than others, > nickel silver > currently being considered the best. Brass and > steel (Flyer) are not > as good. > As to track cleaning cars, SnS Trains makes a good > one and it is > sold through S-Helper and Portlines as well as > direct. I make my own, > following John Allen's practice of a sliding piece > of Masonite under a > common freight car. There are other track cleaning > cars out there. > Stumpy Stone...veteran track cleaner in > Appalachia. > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > __________________________________________ Yahoo! DSL – Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38043	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 1/5/2006
Subject: Interest in S Scale B&O Decals?

A posting on the S scale list indicates that: "Des Plaines Hobbies/ S Scale America has purchased Microscale Industries S Scale decal inventory to be combined with Des Plaines existing decal line. Micro Scale has agreed to print new decals for Des Plaines so there will be all new decals produced to enlarge the line. Significant to the purchase will be price reductions to the Microscale portions to the line. For those users of decals we solicit meaningful input on new sets that you wish to be produced." Would there be any interest in indicating to Des Plaines an interest in B&O S scale decals? Paul S. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38044	From: FEZANDPAZ@aol.com	Date: 1/5/2006
Subject: Re: Marx 3/16" conversions

Carving up MARX is getting a little too expensive these days as Marx prices are just about even with A.C.Gilbert. I'm not a collector of Marx but I have a growing number of engines and cars and I am surprised at the recent increase of interest in what was once shunned as junk! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38045	From: trainman634	Date: 1/5/2006
Subject: New 2006 Lionel Items

When will we get any information on new 2006 A.F. items being produced by Lionel?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38046	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 1/5/2006
Subject: Re: New 2006 Lionel Items

When the next catalog comes out, which is not too far off. Bob Bubeck In a message dated 1/5/2006 10:14:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, wes4260@... writes: When will we get any information on new 2006 A.F. items being produced by Lionel? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38047	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/5/2006
Subject: Re: Marx 3/16" conversions

***(((How many folks out there are running Marx 3/16" on Flyer trucks? Anyone got photos?)))**** Someone here is......and I've seen pix to proof it! :^) Rick. S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38048	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/5/2006
Subject: Re: Marx 3/16" conversions

Good grief!! PROVE , not PROOF!!!!! I'm an idiot! Rick. ***(((How many folks out there are running Marx 3/16" on Flyer trucks? Anyone got photos?)))**** Someone here is......and I've seen pix to proof it! :^) Rick. S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38049	From: Rhett George	Date: 1/6/2006
Subject: Mike's Marvelous Model

- GreetingS - Thanks to my sister's diligence in keeping me apprised of train happenings around upstate South Carolina, good wife Joanna and I found out about Mike Vandiver's model railroad and visited it on New Year's Eve. 'Twas a real pleasure to see American Flyer running in a metropolitan setting - houses aglow, accessories operating, in a well-integrated plan. Absolutely not a hodge-podge. It looked great and ran very well. Two side-by-side modules, one AF and the other Lionel, had one or two tiers above on which smaller gauge trains were operating, visually separated from the main displays. Even on the standard AF radius of the inner loop, the close adherence to scale dimensions of Flyer was easily appreciated. To Mike and Donna, Joanna and I appreciate your hospitality and your effort in the layouts as well as in the open house. CheerS, Rhett

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38050	From: reynoldsjmus	Date: 1/6/2006
Subject: Re: Marx 3/16" conversions

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Evans" <bassflyer@c...> wrote: > > ***(((How many folks out there are running Marx 3/16" on Flyer trucks? > Anyone got photos?)))**** > > Someone here is......and I've seen pix to proof it! :^) > > Rick. > > i have run marx hoppers with ace bolsters and af trucks for decades, based on s gauge herald conversion articles from the '70s. very easy conversion.. dale reynolds > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38051	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/6/2006
Subject: Re: Marx 3/16" conversions

http://s-scale.org/albums/album13/15_5840HrLoadb Rick (and it's NOTmine) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38052	From: beebear	Date: 1/6/2006
Subject: Re: Interest in S Scale B&O Decals?

I wouldn't mind seeing something from Norfolk & Western and naybe Nickel Plate Road ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul4Schil@... To: baltimore_and_ohio@yahoogroups.com Cc: s-trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 9:34 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Interest in S Scale B&O Decals? A posting on the S scale list indicates that: "Des Plaines Hobbies/ S Scale America has purchased Microscale Industries S Scale decal inventory to be combined with Des Plaines existing decal line. Micro Scale has agreed to print new decals for Des Plaines so there will be all new decals produced to enlarge the line. Significant to the purchase will be price reductions to the Microscale portions to the line. For those users of decals we solicit meaningful input on new sets that you wish to be produced." Would there be any interest in indicating to Des Plaines an interest in B&O S scale decals? Paul S. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links __________________________________________________________ Message transport security by GatewayDefender.com 5:41:04 AM ET - 1/6/2006 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38053	From: Neimanis,V. [NCR]	Date: 1/6/2006
Subject: Re: Track Options

I too am in the process of building a comparable size layout. I have gone to Gargraves track but that poses major incompatibilities with most AF accessories, unloaders, track trips etc. However, I do like the look, the option of curves, and the quality of the rails but there is need to customize or build/modify most of these power clips. Any one else have comments on this? V. Neimanis Ottawa, Canada __________________________________________ Message: 2 Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 13:38:49 -0500 From: "ED WHELAN" <ejw333@...> Subject: TRACK OPTIONS? Hello to all, I'm in the process of building a 16' x 20' layout for my A.F collection and have plenty of old track. Doug Peck @ Port Lines gave me some good info some time ago, but would appreciate any input on the "new" types that are currently available. My main concern is whether or not the new track is compatible with the 771 stockyard, loading platform etc. and all of the various operating cars and equipment. I'm legally blind and am leaning toward S-Helper Service ballasted track that snaps together for ease of installation but am concerned about the potential modifications required for A.F. accessories. I will appreciate any advise, Ed Whelan-Pittsburgh, PA

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38054	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 1/6/2006
Subject: dirty track

"First of all why would S track get dirtier quicker than O Gauge track?" Plastic wheels. Tom Stoltz [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38055	From: lynnshouse2000	Date: 1/6/2006
Subject: Flyer Database Help

I am looking for imformation about a product I believe I saw mentioned on an S related website several months ago. I believe it was a CD-ROM or similar product that was a searchable cross reference of the majority of the S cars and locomotives manufactured by Gilbert. It could be searched by catalog number and would list all the sets the item was used in. Does such a product exist and is it possible to obtain a copy? I would class myself as a somewhat knowledgable neophyte. I was able to get a mixed collection about a year ago and have given some thought to trying to assemble the complete sets from what I have. Such a reference would prove to be invaluable in guiding my future purchases. Thanks in advance for any help. Lynn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38056	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 1/6/2006
Subject: Re: dirty track - Plastic Wheels

Hi Jerry, I am under the impression that 0 gauge uses metal wheels, however I could be wrong. S gauge manufactures, now use metal wheels -or I should say SHS does and I think AM is also. But this was not always true. My earlier AM has plastic wheels. And of course, Flyer uses plastic -old plastic at that. I've also been told that weight is a factor and that is why S does so much better than H0, perhaps this is also the reason 0 does better than S -I don't know. Something else I've always thought is that the 'dirt' is actually carbon deposits caused by the constant arcing as the wheels roll; causing a continuous 'make/brake' contact with the rail. Like the points in an old auto distributor when the condenser went bad. I can't prove this, just a thought. Tom Stoltz [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38057	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 1/6/2006
Subject: Re: dirty track - Plastic Wheels

After cleaning track for years, NTTM was fortunate to receive 6 donated cars from SHS (their first donation). The new cars had metal wheels, I was given them on a Friday in April at York TCA meet. I took them home that evening, locked the couplers, took them to NTTM the next morning (in April) and put them on the track. The only plastic wheels on that track from then until mid-September were the ones on the Flyer caboose and engines we ran. Finally someone realized that I HAD NOT cleaned that track since the cars were put on in April. Very little dirt on the track, not enough to cause any kind of problems. We did clean the other three loops all season long, NOT the one with the SHS cars, however. As a side note, we consistently ran longer trains using the SHS cars because they rolled so much more freely than Flyer or Flyonel. At that time the S-Gauge/Flyer layout ran close to 7 hours a day, 7 days a week, the most popular layout at NTTM because it was inter-active with 12 pushbuttons for children of all ages to push. The three rail guys eventually figured this out and altered the three rail layouts also. Jim "two rails thru Paradise" Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38058	From: Phil K	Date: 1/6/2006
Subject: Re: Flyer Database Help

The software is called "Set Searcher." I bought mine for $15 on eBay -- there's one on sale now at: http://tinyurl.com/c9u7p You can search by set number, car number or locomotive number. Works pretty good, but as you might expect with the amount of data available and the substitutions made in sets packed at the Gilbert factory (some still being discovered), I have noticed a few errors and omissions -- especially in the area of uncataloged sets, which do pop up from time to time at train shows, etc. A word of advice -- click to open the interface to the full width of your screen, as in larger sets some of the cars are not visible in the smaller interface. For 15 bucks, though, it will save you a lot of time if you're trying to fill in sets with missing cars, etc. I use it when I buy sets without original boxes to find the set number. Hope this helps, Phil K ******************************************************************* >>In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "lynnshouse2000" <lynnshouse2000@y...> wrote: > > I am looking for imformation about a product I believe I saw mentioned > on an S related website several months ago. I believe it was a CD- ROM > or similar product that was a searchable cross reference of the > majority of the S cars and locomotives manufactured by Gilbert. It > could be searched by catalog number and would list all the sets the > item was used in. Does such a product exist and is it possible to > obtain a copy? I would class myself as a somewhat knowledgable > neophyte. I was able to get a mixed collection about a year ago and > have given some thought to trying to assemble the complete sets from > what I have. Such a reference would prove to be invaluable in guiding > my future purchases. Thanks in advance for any help. > > Lynn >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38059	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 1/6/2006
Subject: NTTM & PVMR Layouts

NTTM first: Four (4) buttons start the four trains, DALLEE systems, saves wear and tear on eqpt. (I am a DALLEE dealer if you need one) MARX Yard Light on one LIONEL 494 Beacon on one (A/F beacon undependable, LIONEL has the Vibrotor) A/F Sawmill, No lumber or one piece could be anchored to the lift, ours is in the middle of the layout so-- 771 Cattle yard, paid staff constantly disengaging cows, just use three per side Horn, Flyer Electronic whistle in Flyer Billboard (NO back-up accessories for ANY Flyer acc.at NTTM) Burning bldg--can be any bldg any number of ways to do it, we also have flashing lights on one fire truck responding to the fire, (MTH burning bldg is S) Barrel loader with can motor on DC, as is sawmill. The PVMR Transportable layout also had a "welder" in a Plasticville garage, welding the frame of a Ford. Figure that out. About 30 bucks from a number of sources, can reseach that if you like. We also had: Burning factory 771 Cattle loader K-Line "Paper hanger" Billboard Several bubbling water towers, on constantly Trash fire behind a diner, on a button, three miniature lamps, 2 flashed. Will have smoke next year and probably LED's as opposed to bulbs. Could run a trolley loop or a THOMAS loop, IF PuttTrains has the THOMAS available, we used Pikemaster Track for tight radiius, BIG mistake, PHM trolley hopped along (ran eight hours a day for four days, physically picked it up and turned it at noon each day) BE SURE that your lighting and accesories are separately powered from your track. 16 Volt doorbell transformers from NUTONE light a lot of (18 volt) bulbs. We used lighted doorbell buttons for all BUT the welder, the light leaks enough power thru to keep it on all the time. Paul "dismembered" a perfectly good button to cure that. IF you can, use S-Trax, OR check your Flyer track section by section, we had some that would only run trains one way!!!! That got replaced early on morning number 2 (worked in the barn, ya know) BOTH layouts have Flyer Flashing Crossing Signals with constantly flashing 18 Volt bulbs, NO need for trips etc. GOOD LUCK and have FUN Jim " two rails to Paradise" Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38060	From: mlmarmer	Date: 1/6/2006
Subject: Fw: Other Question

Well, ask Lionel about something like the movie and you get nothing in return. I guess they have no record of any history in today's world of train making at the new and improved Lionel. I would think that the studio had to get permission and/or pay money to Lionel for the use of their name. They had to contact someone. Maybe Mr. Cowen from the dead said it was okay. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: "TALK TOUS" <TALKTOUS@...> To: <mlmarmer@...> Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 9:29 AM Subject: Re: Other Question For information on old product try www.kalmbach.com or TM Books & Video at 800-892-2822. Lionel LLC is a current day manufacture. Why the studio chose to put this in their film would be a question that you would need to ask them. >>> <mlmarmer@...> 01/05/06 8:22 PM >>> From: Michael C Marmer 20461 Afternoon Lane Germantown MD 20874 301-540-4145 mlmarmer@... Product Number: N/A Club Membership Number: N/A Question: I have a historical question for someone at Lionel. In the movie "A League Of Their Own" about the Girls (Women's) baseball league which started in 1943, there is a scene in 1943 in which billboards are shown in the outfield and one was for Lionel trains. No trains were made in 1943 due to the war, except the paper train Lionel made, which did not sell well. Any ideas about this. Would Lionel advertise a product not available for the purpose of keeping the product and name in the public mind for the day the war would end or did the writers just pick some products to use in the movie with out doing any research. I hope there is some historical records that could be looked at, as I know this might be a bit time consuminng, but I did ask about this on the TCA email list. I am a collector of vintage American Flyer and I thank you for you time. Mike Marmer

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38061	From: Gerald Dobbs	Date: 1/6/2006
Subject: #370 GM Diesel

Picked up a collection, have a duplicate #370 link coupler, runs, needs a good cleaning, decals about 80%, small scratches on the cab. $100. + shipping $7.00. Contact me for pictures. Jerry 77-11644

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38062	From: Gerald Dobbs	Date: 1/6/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2903

Track cleaning car: I have had the best luck with a Centerline products car . Two Gilbert cars in tandem work well, First car spreads the cleaner the second picks it up. Jerry 77-11644

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38063	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/6/2006
Subject: Advertising during the WWII years

I would probably question the graphics on the L billboard than its existance. Many manufacturers turned their production over to war work, but kept up advertising, so as to be in the marketplace once the war was over. Manufacturers scrambled to have "civilian" products out after the war, as the first one in the marketplace could pretty much be guaranteed a sell out, such was the pent-up shopping desires of the public. Price controls also affected sales. My Father-in-Law traded almost straight up his prewar sedan for a new pickup truck. The truck was under price control, but the used car wasn't, so the dealer could make more money on it! Of course, ACG always claimed that the toy train manufacturing/sales hiatus made their move to S easier. S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38064	From: Charles E. Smith	Date: 1/6/2006
Subject: Re: Track Options

Replace power clips by soldering wires to Gargraves rails. For an easy to make action car actuator see this link: http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/feature/actuator.htm Chuck Smith, On matters of style swim with the current. On matters of substance stand like a rock. Thos. Jefferson (may be paraphrased) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neimanis,V. [NCR]" <v.neimanis@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 11:59 AM Subject: [S-Trains] RE: Track Options > > I too am in the process of building a comparable size layout. I have > gone to Gargraves track but that poses major incompatibilities with most > AF accessories, unloaders, track trips etc. However, I do like the > look, the option of curves, and the quality of the rails but there is > need to customize or build/modify most of these power clips. > > Any one else have comments on this? > > V. Neimanis > Ottawa, Canada > __________________________________________ > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 13:38:49 -0500 > From: "ED WHELAN" <ejw333@...> > Subject: TRACK OPTIONS? > > Hello to all, > I'm in the process of building a 16' x 20' layout for my A.F > collection and have plenty of old track. Doug Peck @ Port Lines gave me > some good info some time ago, but would appreciate any input on the > "new" types that are currently available. My main concern is whether or > not the new track is compatible with the 771 stockyard, loading platform > etc. and all of the various operating cars and equipment. > I'm legally blind and am leaning toward S-Helper Service ballasted > track that snaps together for ease of installation but am concerned > about the potential modifications required for A.F. accessories. > I will appreciate any advise, > > Ed Whelan-Pittsburgh, PA > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38065	From: jayhoo64	Date: 1/6/2006
Subject: Re: Marx 3/16" conversions

Dave W asked: >How many folks out there are running Marx 3/16" on Flyer trucks? Me! >Anyone got photos? You'll find old and new Marx stuff in some of the pix of our Christmas layout at: http://s-scale.org/albums/album13?&page=1 >Anyone got reservations about carving up 3/16" Marx tin? I usually don't need to carve up the 3/16" stuff, but I have taken a Dremel to lots of 6" and 7" Marx: http://s-scale.org/albums/album98 Chuck F.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38066	From: winchester54947	Date: 1/6/2006
Subject: speed governor

Is there anb easy way to govern the maximum speed so the youngest operators and the over exuberant scouts can avoid derails, and high speed train wrecks? Without access to an assortment of 100 watt resisters to try, would a diode work? maybe an internal or external stop on the transformer lever? Or are we talking voltage clipping or pulse width modulation?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38067	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 1/6/2006
Subject: Re: Induction Motors - where's stump when you need him????

Phil, Nikola Tesla, inventor of the induction motor would disagree. In alternating current induction motors the current passing through the loop does not come from an external source (no brushes or commutator) but is induced as the loop passes through the magnetic field. AC induction motors do not have brushes, they use induced force too move the rotator - hence the name. Electrical engineers would not consider any type of brushed motor to be classified as an induction motor - including the Gilbert universal. Electrical engineers would consider the term "brushed induction motor" which would fit your definitions to be an oxymoron. But only the stump man - a true lover of AC (and I don't mean Gilbert) - can clear this one up... Or as the gen yers say - "Whatever" Scott Dee -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Phil K Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 5:00 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: 48016 Christmas GP20 - Induction Motors? Phil K wrote: ...except for the early renditions like the SP Daylights, which have the older Gilbert-style AC induction motors. > The old style motors were brushed not induction, weren't they?... > Induction motors are brushless aren't they?... Most of the old > accessories were induction motors... > > Scott Dee > First let me say I'm not an electrical engineer, but here's what I've learned over the years: Of the many types of AC motors available, there are two basic types of rotors (armatures) used in induction motors. The type you choose is based on the intended use. Most AC induction motors designed to operate at a constant speed (i.e., some furnace blower motors) use what is called the "squirrel cage rotor." An alternate design, as used by AC Gilbert in his company's locomotives, is called the "wound rotor (armature)" and is used when it is desireable to be able to operate the motor at variable speeds. In wound induction motors, the wound armature/rotor has the same number of poles as the wound field (magnet) assembly with windings made of enameled wire. Carbon brushes connect the armature to an external controller such as a variable resistor (or variable volt transformer in the case of trains) that allows changing the motor's spin rate. Compared to squirrel cage rotors, wound armature induction motors are expensive and require maintenance of the brushes, but they were the standard form for variable speed control before the advent of compact power electronic devices. What Gilbert used during its heyday could also be classified as a "universal motor" -- which is a hybrid of the standard induction motors and has a wound armature and a wound stator (field assembly), which would allow it to run either on AC or DC power. Phil K S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38068	From: Phil K	Date: 1/7/2006
Subject: Re: Induction Motors - where's stump when you need him????

OK, now you've got my curiosity up. If the AC motor in my Gilbert Flyer locomotives isn't an induction motor, just what kind of AC motor is it? Three-phase AC induction motors do use brushes. I worked in a factory during summers while I was in college and replaced them myself many times. Simple induction motors, by design, don't need brushes because they're designed mostly to operate at a single speed(s) and are wired direct. The Gilbert AC motor has a field magnet, plus an armature with wound commutators, operates at varying speeds and needs brushes to get AC to the commutators. So now I'm really confused. Phil K ******************************************************************** --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Davidson" <scottdee25@h...> wrote: > > Phil, > > Nikola Tesla, inventor of the induction motor would disagree. > > In alternating current induction motors the current passing through the > loop does not come from an external source (no brushes or commutator) > but is induced as the loop passes through the magnetic field. > > AC induction motors do not have brushes, they use induced force too move > the rotator - hence the name. > > Electrical engineers would not consider any type of brushed motor to be > classified as an induction motor - including the Gilbert universal. > Electrical engineers would consider the term "brushed induction motor" > which would fit your definitions to be an oxymoron. > > But only the stump man - a true lover of AC (and I don't mean Gilbert) - > can clear this one up... > > Or as the gen yers say - "Whatever" > > Scott Dee > > > -----Original Message----- > From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Phil K > Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 5:00 PM > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: 48016 Christmas GP20 - Induction Motors? > > Phil K wrote: ...except for the early renditions like the SP > Daylights, which have the older Gilbert-style AC induction motors. > > > The old style motors were brushed not induction, weren't they?... > > Induction motors are brushless aren't they?... Most of the old > > accessories were induction motors... > > > > Scott Dee > > > > First let me say I'm not an electrical engineer, but here's what > I've learned over the years: Of the many types of AC motors > available, there are two basic types of rotors (armatures) used in > induction motors. The type you choose is based on the intended use. > > Most AC induction motors designed to operate at a constant speed > (i.e., some furnace blower motors) use what is called the "squirrel > cage rotor." An alternate design, as used by AC Gilbert in his > company's locomotives, is called the "wound rotor (armature)" and is > used when it is desireable to be able to operate the motor at > variable speeds. > > In wound induction motors, the wound armature/rotor has the same > number of poles as the wound field (magnet) assembly with windings > made of enameled wire. Carbon brushes connect the armature to an > external controller such as a variable resistor (or variable volt > transformer in the case of trains) that allows changing the motor's > spin rate. > > Compared to squirrel cage rotors, wound armature induction motors > are expensive and require maintenance of the brushes, but they were > the standard form for variable speed control before the advent of > compact power electronic devices. > > What Gilbert used during its heyday could also be classified as > a "universal motor" -- which is a hybrid of the standard induction > motors and has a wound armature and a wound stator (field assembly), > which would allow it to run either on AC or DC power. > > Phil K > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38069	From: Charles E. Smith	Date: 1/7/2006
Subject: Re: Induction Motors - where's stump when you need him????

In a college course in electrical engineering for mechanical engineers we learned that the Gilbert loco motors are described as a universal motor. It is not AC, it is actually AC/DC meaning it runs on either. When \set up with a permag field it becomes a straight DC motor. Chuck Smith, On matters of style swim with the current. On matters of substance stand like a rock. Thos. Jefferson (may be paraphrased) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phil K" <waldootten@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 3:20 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Induction Motors - where's stump when you need him???? > OK, now you've got my curiosity up. If the AC motor in my Gilbert > Flyer locomotives isn't an induction motor, just what kind of AC > motor is it? > > Three-phase AC induction motors do use brushes. I worked in a > factory during summers while I was in college and replaced them > myself many times. > > Simple induction motors, by design, don't need brushes because > they're designed mostly to operate at a single speed(s) and are > wired direct. The Gilbert AC motor has a field magnet, plus an > armature with wound commutators, operates at varying speeds and > needs brushes to get AC to the commutators. > > So now I'm really confused. > > Phil K > > ******************************************************************** > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Davidson" <scottdee25@h...> > wrote: > > > > Phil, > > > > Nikola Tesla, inventor of the induction motor would disagree. > > > > In alternating current induction motors the current passing > through the > > loop does not come from an external source (no brushes or > commutator) > > but is induced as the loop passes through the magnetic field. > > > > AC induction motors do not have brushes, they use induced force > too move > > the rotator - hence the name. > > > > Electrical engineers would not consider any type of brushed motor > to be > > classified as an induction motor - including the Gilbert universal. > > Electrical engineers would consider the term "brushed induction > motor" > > which would fit your definitions to be an oxymoron. > > > > But only the stump man - a true lover of AC (and I don't mean > Gilbert) - > > can clear this one up... > > > > Or as the gen yers say - "Whatever" > > > > Scott Dee > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On > > Behalf Of Phil K > > Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 5:00 PM > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: 48016 Christmas GP20 - Induction Motors? > > > > Phil K wrote: ...except for the early renditions like the SP > > Daylights, which have the older Gilbert-style AC induction motors. > > > > > The old style motors were brushed not induction, weren't they?... > > > Induction motors are brushless aren't they?... Most of the old > > > accessories were induction motors... > > > > > > Scott Dee > > > > > > > First let me say I'm not an electrical engineer, but here's what > > I've learned over the years: Of the many types of AC motors > > available, there are two basic types of rotors (armatures) used in > > induction motors. The type you choose is based on the intended use. > > > > Most AC induction motors designed to operate at a constant speed > > (i.e., some furnace blower motors) use what is called > the "squirrel > > cage rotor." An alternate design, as used by AC Gilbert in his > > company's locomotives, is called the "wound rotor (armature)" and > is > > used when it is desireable to be able to operate the motor at > > variable speeds. > > > > In wound induction motors, the wound armature/rotor has the same > > number of poles as the wound field (magnet) assembly with windings > > made of enameled wire. Carbon brushes connect the armature to an > > external controller such as a variable resistor (or variable volt > > transformer in the case of trains) that allows changing the > motor's > > spin rate. > > > > Compared to squirrel cage rotors, wound armature induction motors > > are expensive and require maintenance of the brushes, but they > were > > the standard form for variable speed control before the advent of > > compact power electronic devices. > > > > What Gilbert used during its heyday could also be classified as > > a "universal motor" -- which is a hybrid of the standard induction > > motors and has a wound armature and a wound stator (field > assembly), > > which would allow it to run either on AC or DC power. > > > > Phil K > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38070	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 1/7/2006
Subject: Re: dirty track - Plastic Wheels

Good topic-and I think that 0 gage and Standard gage track doesn't "crud up" in the same way as S. 0 and Std. use metal wheels. Now you've got me wondering-do you mean that even the rolling stock that American Models makes has metal wheels? They must be 2 or 3 pc. wheels-unless there's a plastic that's suitable for axles? THAT'D be a major "wow". The Pullmore tyres do contribute a lot of crud on both 0 and S. There aren't any Pullmore tyres on Standard-and I don't get the black crud in as great a concentration as on 0 or S. Another thought-copper/bronze or brass from the collector wheels of locos and powered rolling stock very leave a residue that oxidizes quicker than the ferrous metals in the track itself? We need a metalurgist to weigh in here-john marganski --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos Got holiday prints? See all the ways to get quality prints in your hands ASAP. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38071	From: Lance McCold	Date: 1/7/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2904

There are several ways to go. Stops on the speed lever are easy, but you will probably have to put a hole in the transformer case to make a stop. If you run AC, a single diode in series with either wire from the transformer will convert the output to "half-wave DC." It doesn't matter what it is, but it will reduce peak power by half. If that is too much power reduction, you can use pairs of diodes in parallel to reduce power in small increments. Choose diodes by their current rating. If you run a big power pack, you may want a 10 amp diode. Put it in a place where it can get cooling air around it. When run at full power, it will get hot. If it gets too hot it will fail. Put it where little kids will not burn their fingers. But, ruining a diode is not a big problem---it will cost a couple dollars to replace. Don't spend extra for high voltage diodes. Most are rated for 50 volts or more. 50 volts is more than enough. A resistor has much to recommend it. It draws little power when the train is run slowly, but more as the power is turned up. Even better is a light bulb. Light bulbs have low resistance at low currents. The higher brighter the bulb gets (at higher currents), the higher the resistance gets. This means that a light bulb will reduce maximum power much more than it reduces the low power settings. You need to select one that can handle the maximum voltage and current put out by your power pack. Select a high-curent 18 or 24 volt bulb, or you can use two 12-volt automotive bulbs in series. Automotive bulbs are made to operate with high currents and are especially durable. You may meed to experiment to find the right bulbs. The down side of light bulbs is that they will affect some engines more than others. For instance, Flyer steamers use much less current than do the diesels. Consequently, the light bulb approach will slow the diesels more than the steamers. In my experience, the diesels are already too slow. Whatever method you use, you probably will want to wire it so you can throw a (hidden) switch to bypass the governor when your kids are not running the trains. You can also add diodes or resistors to special problem areas, rather than the whole layout. If you contact me off line with more details about your situation I may be able to give you better advice. Lance McCold Knoxville, TN At 05:03 PM 1/7/2006 +0000, you wrote: >Message: 17 > Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2006 06:50:16 -0000 > From: "winchester54947" <winchester54947@...> >Subject: speed governor > >Is there anb easy way to govern the maximum speed so the youngest >operators and the over exuberant scouts can avoid derails, and high >speed train wrecks? Without access to an assortment of 100 watt >resisters to try, would a diode work? maybe an internal or external >stop on the transformer lever? Or are we talking voltage clipping or >pulse width modulation?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38072	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/7/2006
Subject: Heads up, Big L's 2006 Catalog coming!

Just noticed this posted on the toytains site: Subject: New Lionel Catalog Announcement Just found this on OGR...thought it be good to post it here... Lionel just sent this release out. "We are going to try something a little different this year with the introduction of our 2006 Volume I catalog. This year we will introduce the catalog for the first time to everyone at the same time via our web site. Our complete catalog will be on line at http://www.lionel.com at 12 Midnight E.S.T., January 17th." Matt Josephson S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38073	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 1/7/2006
Subject: Re: Induction Motors - you say PAtato and I say PatatO...

It appears the safest classification for the AF style electrical motor is that it's a universal motor.... as Chuck Smith remarked... So this means that all Universal motors have brushes, but there are non-Universal motors that have brushes as in the 3 -phase motor you mention... Mmmm .... 3 phase power supply... now that's different than what the Universal motor was designed to accept... I think.... I guess I am confused too... Maybe it'll be safe if I stick with saying a motor uses brushes or not... I have found contradictory descriptions of an induction motor on the net - one view agrees with you and states induction motors can have brushes and the other view says that if there is physical electrical contact ie... brushes then it can't be classified as an induction motor and its called a universal motor - the later view is what I recall from college??? As you note, it appears that the phasing of the power source also affects the classification scheme... 3 phase motors with brushes are referred to as induction motors. Oh well, it was an interesting topic... It's enough to make a train man go DC.... :>) Thanks for your remarks and thoughts on the topic... Scott Dee

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38074	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 1/7/2006
Subject: 1996-1998 List History??

Here are some of my notes. "I got some trains in Dec of 1994. By June of 1996 I started working on organizing an internet list for S-Scale and S-Highrail folks. I was hoping that the list would allow others to share the model experience. I put out some feelers on the USERNET news group rec.models.railroad. Some of them are still available on Google Groups. I started the list with a few subscribers. Folks would send me notes, and I would cut and paste them into a daily summary. The list grew quickly from a handfull to maybe 25 members. ????? The first automated list was hosted out of West Virginia. (?Gibson?) Anbody remeber the dates? Or the guy's name? That site dispeared, we think the guy passed away. (?Date?) ????? Sept 26 1998 - First OneList.com message. This list was eventually taken over by Yahoo and all the messages are included in our current archive." Anybody got better memories or notes for the 1996-1998 part of the story? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38075	From: mlmarmer	Date: 1/7/2006
Subject: Fw: Other Question

----- Original Message ----- From: "mlmarmer" <mlmarmer@...> To: "TALK TOUS" <TALKTOUS@...> Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 3:45 PM Subject: Re: Other Question > Dear Lionel LLC, > > Thank you very much for your reply, as I wasn't searching out information on > any previously made product by Lionel, as I mentioned in my email that I was > a TCA member and I know there are reference books on this matter. > > I am sorry to see that Lionel LLC has no past history connections to Lionel > of yesteryear when ever that ended. > > Someone put up this billboard in the movie and I would think that one needs > to get permission to do so, as I understand, Lionel LLC will not let anyone > use the name American Flyer. I am sure that Lionel LLC still owns the > name Lionel. So someone at Lionel LLC had to be involved in this. I > understand that the use of the name of American Flyer that is not authorized > by Lionel LLC will have a lawsuit. Just trying to understand why Lionel > LLC has no clue to the use of its owned name by a movie. > > Sincerely, > > Mike Marmer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "TALK TOUS" <TALKTOUS@...> > To: <mlmarmer@...> > Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 9:29 AM > Subject: Re: Other Question > > > For information on old product try www.kalmbach.com or TM Books & Video at > 800-892-2822. Lionel LLC is a current day manufacture. Why the studio > chose to put this in their film would be a question that you would need to > ask them. > > >>> <mlmarmer@...> 01/05/06 8:22 PM >>> > > From: > Michael C Marmer > 20461 Afternoon Lane > Germantown MD 20874 > 301-540-4145 > mlmarmer@... > > Product Number: N/A > Club Membership Number: N/A > > Question: > I have a historical question for someone at Lionel. > > In the movie "A League Of Their Own" about the Girls (Women's) baseball > league which started in 1943, there is a scene in 1943 in which billboards > are shown in the outfield and one was for Lionel trains. No trains were > made in 1943 due to the war, except the paper train Lionel made, which did > not sell well. Any ideas about this. Would Lionel advertise a product not > available for the purpose of keeping the product and name in the public mind > for the day the war would end or did the writers just pick some products to > use in the movie with out doing any research. > > I hope there is some historical records that could be looked at, as I know > this might be a bit time consuminng, but I did ask about this on the TCA > email list. > > I am a collector of vintage American Flyer and I thank you for you time. > > Mike Marmer > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38076	From: mlmarmer	Date: 1/7/2006
Subject: Movie

Last night I watched "Remember the Titans", another sports movie and I am happy to report that there were no mention or visuals of Lionel trains or any other train, model or real! LOL Only school buses and cars were the only mode of transportation. Although, the coach's little girl was playing with dolls, vintage 1971 or earlier. Good thing I am not interested in contacting Mattel about dolls! Thank goodness baseball will be back in 3 months and I wont be sitting home on a Saturday night! LOL Mike Marmer

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38077	From: glenn allen	Date: 1/7/2006
Subject: S-trains and Jesses James - The Monster Garage

Saw an edition of the Monster Garage on Discovery Channel yesterday where they converted a car to run on rails as well as the road, I'm sure its been on Englisg T.V. before. It turns out that Jesse is a bit of a train buff, there was a double circuit layout running on the design table that looked pretty much like S-scale. On a previous edition they used 3/16" scale to draw a templete of an 'anti-santa' Does Jesse have more than a passing interst in model/real railroads? Is 3/16" scale a standard for architectural drawings or was this just a co-incidence? Glenn ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger - NEW crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38078	From: John Foley	Date: 1/7/2006
Subject: Swamp Machine Shop

Hi Folks Here is another manufacturer doing something in S Swamp Machine Shop. http://gallery.bcentral.com/GID5144714-Home.aspx The are doing bird baths and Steel barrels. There are 3 different barrels Closed top, open top and a burn barrel. I have a couple and the are well done. John Foley NASG Promotions [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38079	From: vangampler	Date: 1/7/2006
Subject: Why did Lionel change the style of American Flyer freight car truck

S-Trains, Does anyone know why Lionel changed the style of their American Flyer freight car trucks? I believe this happened in the early nineties when they changed the boxes to an all red design. The new trucks don't match eighties Lionel Flyer or Gilbert cars. Thanks in advance for any information on this. Sincerely, Richard Vangampler

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38080	From: Dale Smith	Date: 1/7/2006
Subject: Fw: Flyerville Station and list history

The guy's name was Lloyd Gibson. The Social Security Death Index lists 3 Lloyd Gibsons who died in 1997, but none in West Virginia. Closest was in Maryland. You can get some reference dates from the message below, from my Archive file, which consists of things I might want to keep for future reference, such as ideas on fixing certain problems. It doesn't contain all the messages, but goes back to the date of this message. It is the first as it is what introduced me to S-trains. Paul, if you want any of these messages, let me know. Dale Smith ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nick & Becky Colleran" <colleran@...> To: "Dale F. Smith" <dfsmith@...> Sent: Saturday, September 06, 1997 6:57 PM Subject: Re: Flyerville Station > Flyerville went "off-the-air" about a month ago. Suggest you try Craig > O'Connels S Gauge page. It is listed in theis forum about five items > back from your posting. It also shows how to get to the s-mail group > which Paul Yorke compiles and edits. He recently said they had beat > the Lloyd Gibson thing (Flyerville) to death and he would edit the > postings. If you join the group, he may be able to send you the > letters musing over what happened. It seems the entire New River Net. > that had things other than just Flyerville is gone. If you cannot get > the web addresses, e-mail me and I will send them to you. > Nick Colleran <colleran@...> > > On Sat, 06 Sep 1997 16:30:16 -0700, in rec.models.railroad you wrote: > >>Does anyone know what happened to the Flyerville Station Homepage at >>www2.newriver.net? I have tried to contact it for a few weeks now and >>get no response. Have tried from work and direct internet connection >>with same result. Is the site history? >> >>Also, is there an American Flyer only newsgroup? I just dropped AOL >>which had a Flyer buletin board which was all I ever used AOL for. >> >>Dale > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38081	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 1/7/2006
Subject: Re: 1996-1998 List History??

Hi Paul, I remember signing onto the List in 1997 and was very pleased to meet you and other list members at the Pizza reception at the 1998 NASG convention in Worcester, Mass. I don't know any of the facts you need though. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Yorke" <s_trains@...> To: <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 3:44 PM Subject: [S-Trains] 1996-1998 List History?? > Here are some of my notes. > "I got some trains in Dec of 1994. > By June of 1996 I started working on organizing an internet list for S-Scale and S-Highrail folks. I was hoping that the list would allow others to share the model experience. > I put out some feelers on the USERNET news group rec.models.railroad. Some of them are still available on Google Groups. > I started the list with a few subscribers. Folks would send me notes, and I would cut and paste them into a daily summary. The list grew quickly from a handfull to maybe 25 members. > ????? > The first automated list was hosted out of West Virginia. (?Gibson?) > Anbody remeber the dates? Or the guy's name? > That site dispeared, we think the guy passed away. (?Date?) > ????? > Sept 26 1998 - First OneList.com message. This list was eventually taken over by Yahoo and all the messages are included in our current archive." > > Anybody got better memories or notes for the 1996-1998 part of the story? > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38082	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 1/7/2006
Subject: Sunday Chat, 1/8/2006, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 38083	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 1/7/2006
Subject: Re: S-trains and Jesses James

I know they were into trains..... Jesse and Frank.... Robbing them..... BTW..... a small bit of history..... we all have skeletons in our closets...... Now I know why I like Trains...... My Garandmothers maiden name....... JAMES..... and she had 2 nephews who used to come into her home from MISSOURI to rest at times..... AND YES 3/16" is a standard Architectural scale...... but is used little as is is hare to scale in the field..... I normally stick with 1/8" and 1/4".... Bob Architect ----- Original Message ----- From: "glenn allen" <glenn_rhb@...> To: <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 4:47 PM Subject: [S-Trains] S-trains and Jesses James - The Monster Garage > Saw an edition of the Monster Garage on Discovery > Channel yesterday where they converted a car to run on > rails as well as the road, I'm sure its been on > Englisg T.V. before. > It turns out that Jesse is a bit of a train buff, > there was a double circuit layout running on the > design table that looked pretty much like S-scale. > > On a previous edition they used 3/16" scale to draw a > templete of an 'anti-santa' > > Does Jesse have more than a passing interst in > model/real railroads? > > Is 3/16" scale a standard for architectural drawings > or was this just a co-incidence? > > Glenn > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > Yahoo! Messenger - NEW crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with > voicemail http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38084	From: muniman18	Date: 1/7/2006
Subject: dumb question # 9

I have a pacific 293 and in the process of cleaning I noticed that the tender has 2 pick up shoes they are connected to a bar very much like the mail pick up,spring and cotter pin don't know if this is unusal or what could it be. it runs like the heck smokes like a chimney any light will be helpful thx Mike

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38085	From: Charles E. Smith	Date: 1/7/2006
Subject: Re: dumb question # 9

These are pickup shoes to supplement the pick up wheels and improve the pickup. Chuck Smith, On matters of style swim with the current. On matters of substance stand like a rock. Thos. Jefferson (may be paraphrased) ----- Original Message ----- From: "muniman18" <muniman18@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 8:08 PM Subject: [S-Trains] dumb question # 9 > I have a pacific 293 and in the process of cleaning I noticed > that the tender has 2 pick up shoes they are connected to a bar very > much like the mail pick up,spring and cotter pin don't know if this > is unusal or what could it be. it runs like the heck smokes like > a chimney any light will be helpful thx Mike > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38086	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 1/8/2006
Subject: Rubber Roadbed and 1/2 Sections

I do not have any roadbed yet... Planning to get the "new" roadbed vs looking for vintage. How does it work when it comes to factory 1/2 sections? Does one of the ties need to be moved to plug into a hole? What sort of AF track clip on things work with roadbed, which ones require a chunk removed to clip it on? Thinking everything from power, 696, uncoupler, third rail, etc... Slowly getting through metal brush wheel cleaning EVERY section of track needed for the 8' x 8' layout. About half way through rebuilding ever power switch. They were a lot better after the rebuild! woo hoo!! :-) Thanks! Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38087	From: Gale Hall	Date: 1/8/2006
Subject: stuff

Morning.. Would anyone on the list be interested any this stuff for postage? 20 pcs of AF curved track 5 E units bottom lever out of diesels 1 638 caboose link coupler trucks, missing two steps and two chipped corners, roofwalks are in mint condition 1 stamped box or reefer sheet metal floor And no telling what else All the above items are used to being together and I'd really hate to break them up....so it is a batch deal. Give me a hollar off list Thanks gale hall [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38088	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 1/8/2006
Subject: Re: dumb question # 9

Also these pickups will slide on the rails and keep the rails clean...... Mike K once told me that was the way he kept his whole layout clean..... the omly way..... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "muniman18" <muniman18@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 8:08 PM Subject: [S-Trains] dumb question # 9 >I have a pacific 293 and in the process of cleaning I noticed > that the tender has 2 pick up shoes they are connected to a bar very > much like the mail pick up,spring and cotter pin don't know if this > is unusal or what could it be. it runs like the heck smokes like > a chimney any light will be helpful thx Mike > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38089	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/8/2006
Subject: Dumb question #9 & roadbed questions

Hi all, The slider contact trucks were used on the air chime whistle locomotives to reduce speaker noise. During production they could have easily been put on other locomotives too--we're makin' trains here, get 'em out the door! Nice side effect is better electrical pickup over switches, crossings, etc. When using rubber roadbed, ACG assumed you would fasten the roadbed down to a layout board. The roadbed isolates the track from the layout board for quieter operation. For "on the floor" layouts, the roadbed is not slick like the bottom of the ties, so it shouldn't walk around a lot, leading to seperation. There was no provision in the roadbed design to allow for track clips. Although, thinking about it, the late wire shaped clips would probably work. For action car rails, uncouplers, etc. you have to carve up the roadbed. Run 'em if ya got 'em! S' David D. PS CHAT TONITE!!!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38090	From: keefer1	Date: 1/8/2006
Subject: Re: Dumb question #9 & roadbed questions

Franklins ,no whistle had them, 293 no whistle had them,343 no whistle had them. All these engines either had the picik-ups or were supposed according to original flyer repair breakdowns.None had whistles. The wire clips can go between ties with roadbed, but in my experience have always left a slight bump. I clean my rails and joints , then duct tape the roadbed from underneat. On floor layouts I always stick the hook part of velcro every several feet after all the track is down. On a board I have used low temp hot glue to hold the track in place. Keith --- David Dewey <djdewey@...> wrote: > Hi all, > The slider contact trucks were used on the air > chime whistle locomotives > to reduce speaker noise. During production they > could have easily been put > on other locomotives too--we're makin' trains here, > get 'em out the door! > Nice side effect is better electrical pickup over > switches, crossings, etc. > When using rubber roadbed, ACG assumed you would > fasten the roadbed down to > a layout board. The roadbed isolates the track from > the layout board for > quieter operation. For "on the floor" layouts, the > roadbed is not slick like > the bottom of the ties, so it shouldn't walk around > a lot, leading to > seperation. There was no provision in the roadbed > design to allow for track > clips. Although, thinking about it, the late wire > shaped clips would > probably work. For action car rails, uncouplers, > etc. you have to carve up > the roadbed. > Run 'em if ya got 'em! > S' > David D. > PS CHAT TONITE!!! > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > __________________________________________ Yahoo! DSL – Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38091	From: Gale Hall	Date: 1/8/2006
Subject: stuff

Afternoon list, The stuff is now spoken for...thanks for your interest gale hall [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38092	From: Phil K	Date: 1/8/2006
Subject: Re: Dumb question #9 & roadbed questions

Just a thought: It would have been nice if Gilbert designed its roadbed system so that the track joints were positioned in the MIDDLE of each piece of roadbed and would therefore eliminate the need for track clips to keep track from separating. You'd only need two "new" formats (different from the current straight and curved roadbed pieces) -- transition pieces (left and right) to get from half straight to half curved. Phil K ***************************************************************** --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "David Dewey" <djdewey@c...> wrote: > > Hi all, > The slider contact trucks were used on the air chime whistle locomotives > to reduce speaker noise. During production they could have easily been put > on other locomotives too--we're makin' trains here, get 'em out the door! > Nice side effect is better electrical pickup over switches, crossings, etc. > When using rubber roadbed, ACG assumed you would fasten the roadbed down to > a layout board. The roadbed isolates the track from the layout board for > quieter operation. For "on the floor" layouts, the roadbed is not slick like > the bottom of the ties, so it shouldn't walk around a lot, leading to > seperation. There was no provision in the roadbed design to allow for track > clips. Although, thinking about it, the late wire shaped clips would > probably work. For action car rails, uncouplers, etc. you have to carve up > the roadbed. > Run 'em if ya got 'em! > S' > David D. > PS CHAT TONITE!!! >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38093	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 1/8/2006
Subject: Sunday Chat, 1/8/2006, 8:00 pm

Reminder from the Calendar of S-Trains Sunday Chat Sunday January 8, 2006 8:00 pm - 8:00 pm This event repeats every week. Event Location: http://s-scale.org/forum/ Street: http://s-scale.org/forum/ Notes: http://s-scale.org/forum/ ADVERTISEMENT Copyright ©  2006  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved. Privacy Policy - Terms of Service

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38094	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 1/8/2006
Subject: Off Subject - Stamp Collecting

I am looking for stamp collectors. I have recieved a large stamp collection and need to figure out what to do with it. Please contact me off-list. Paul Yorke s_trains@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38095	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 1/8/2006
Subject: Re: Unapble to get on chat tonight? 2 weeks in a row??

Help wanted to join S Trains chat tonight unable/ Help!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38096	From: tedcanflyer	Date: 1/8/2006
Subject: Railsounds...love it or forget it!

Hi all, I have never actually heard "Lionel's Railsounds!" [I haven't bin to da big city neither!] So my questions are, do you think Railsounds enhancement is a big plus to your layout? or do you tire of it soon and then rarely use it? Would you recommend somebody to acquire it, as a must have item for home layouts. Thanks for your imput... Ted in Bug Tussel

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38097	From: Phil K	Date: 1/8/2006
Subject: UP lawyers at it again -- now suing Mike's Train House

From Trains.com -- Union Pacific Sues MTH Over Use of Logos The Union Pacific Railroad has filed a lawsuit against MTH Electric Trains, accusing it of using Union Pacific and related logos without license. The civil lawsuit was filed Dec. 30, 2005 in U.S. District Court in Nebraska, where the railroad has offices. The lawsuit requests that MTH stop using the trademarks, send its Union Pacific-branded products to the railroad to be destroyed, and pay the railroad for lost revenue and damages. MTH had no immediate comment. In 2003, Union Pacific enacted a new licensing program, asking model train manufacturers and others to seek licenses and pay royalties for the use of the Union Pacific shield logo and insignias of past railroads absorbed into the Union Pacific. Those past railroads include the Southern Pacific; Western Pacific; Chicago and North Western; Missouri Pacific; and others. The licensing agreement requires model train manufacturers to pay a royalty and also reveal to Union Pacific their business strategies for Union Pacific models, including marketing budgets, manufacturing details, distribution channels, and sales goals. The railroad filed similar lawsuits against Lionel and Athearn, which produces HO trains, soon after the program was enacted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38098	From: velapoldi	Date: 1/9/2006
Subject: e-mail

Hi all: Does anyone have Paul Yorke's e-mail address? He gave it to me on chat last night and it fell off the screen before I found that I couldn't (didn't know how) go back. Tx. Rance Velapoldi (Norway)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38099	From: knockbill	Date: 1/9/2006
Subject: Motors

Hi Hapy New year As far as induction vs: brushes go, everyone is somewhat correct,,,,,,, Back in the old days, there were repulsion/induction motors,,,,,, They had a set of brushes in the start winding that would lift off the commutator when the motor reached its speed (centrifical force),then the running windings took over, & you had an induction motor,,,,,, They were used in commmercial/industrial application,,, probably where someone remembers changing the brushes.... Hope this helps have fun John

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38100	From: beebear	Date: 1/9/2006
Subject: Layouts / Stores

Hi Gang I'll be down in Peachtree, Ga for the next 2 weeks for training purposes and was wondering if there are any layouts in the area that I could stop in and visit on the weekend? Thanks for any info John Frankforther [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38101	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 1/9/2006
Subject: Re: Motors

John, Have an OLD fractional HP motor on a Jig Saw, have to push the brushes off the start winding (with a DRY stick) to kick it into "run". Delightful old relic. Used to use it cut layout parts and Christmas displays before plastic. Jim [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38102	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 1/9/2006
Subject: Re: Railsounds...love it or forget it!

Ted, I you are a loop runner then hours of it would get old, but for realistic running it is very cool. Also the chuff sound volume can be muted or lowered separately from the whistle and bell. There are many sounds, Air pumps, Blow down, Crew Talk, Coupler Clank, Hissing etc., besides the Bell, 4 chuff Cadence and Whistle. The whistle on RailSounds 5 is Very realistic and vary in tone by how long you hold the button. The quality is amazing. It's more to go wrong but more to play with and you will play with it. Carl -----Original Message----- From: tedcanflyer [mailto:rturczak@...] Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 12:59 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Railsounds...love it or forget it! Hi all, I have never actually heard "Lionel's Railsounds!" [I haven't bin to da big city neither!] So my questions are, do you think Railsounds enhancement is a big plus to your layout? or do you tire of it soon and then rarely use it? Would you recommend somebody to acquire it, as a must have item for home layouts. Thanks for your imput... Ted in Bug Tussel S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38103	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 1/9/2006
Subject: Advertisement: Baldwin Westinghouse B and D plus Brill 55 Motorcars

Merle Rice of Model Railroad Warehouse e-mailed me that the test sheet for the Baldwin Westinghouse B arrived today. It looks good. Merle is hoping to have production start ASAP. Currently the first run of the B is nearly sold out. Pre-orders are still being accepted for the D and the 55. SKU NAME PRICE STATUS 772-64-100 Baldwin B $129.95 1st run overrun nearly sold out 772-64-102 Baldwin D $139.95 1st run deadline April 1, 2006 772-64-358 Brill 55 Motorcar $129.95 1st run deadline April 1, 2006 Includes Roof template Thorin

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38104	From: Roy Inman	Date: 1/9/2006
Subject: Re: Railsounds...love it or forget it!

Ted, IMHO, it all depends on the purpose your layout serves. That may sound silly, because the main purpose obviously is to showcase your trains. But if you are operating the layout mostly for your own, personal pleasure, then, yes, the Railsounds (or any other sounds) wear thin rather quickly. However, if you have a regular stream of visitors and/or operators, such as your kids, grandkids, club members, etc., then the sounds are always a hit, and in my experience, especially the "talky" phases. We ran a five-board O gauge modular layout, hauling it around to train shows for a few years, until my brother's van gave out and we lost our wheels to transport the thing. Sound was an important element in that presentation, as was smoke. When everything was cranked up, belching, hissing, squealing brakes, cab and crew talk, wow did the crowds love it! I personally think that having sounds is fun, even if I am running trains solo, and even if I tire of the "noise" after a while. Cheers :) Roy Inman > From: tedcanflyer <rturczak@...> > Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 05:58:30 +0000 > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] Railsounds...love it or forget it! > > Hi all, > > I have never actually heard "Lionel's Railsounds!" [I haven't bin to > da big city neither!] So my questions are, do you think Railsounds > enhancement is a big plus to your layout? or do you tire of it soon > and then rarely use it? Would you recommend somebody to acquire it, > as a must have item for home layouts. Thanks for your imput... > > Ted in Bug Tussel > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38105	From: wpporter@duckburg.us	Date: 1/9/2006
Subject: Re: Railsounds...love it or forget it!

Hi Ted, I must provide a countervailing opinion. I have never heard a sound system that added to the experience. Most folks seem to turn them up to a high level. The sounds are then usually painfully piercing. Diesel or steam, they all sound irritating after 2 or 3 minutes. I have witnessed Lionel, MTH, and various DCC sound systems (even our own beloved SHS with the 10-button system) and scales (G, O, S, HO and N) with common results. The older American Flyer chuff in some steam engines is not too bad. Perhaps because it is never very loud. Have you ever visited a friend who demonstrated his stereo (or even his older Hi-Fi)? Do they always turn it up so loud that your eardrums bleed? One problem for my ears is that the speakers and enclosures that fit in our trains do not adequately baffle the sound energy. So, the high-pitched sounds come through much better than do the low-pitched sounds. In order to hear the rumbles and other low sounds, the volume must be turned up. That makes the high-pitched sounds far too loud. Perhaps if I had a little more hearing loss, it would be better. I suspect, but have not proved, that large speakers mounted under the layout which reproduce all of the sounds at appropriate sound pressure levels might be a plus at train shows or demonstrations. Good Luck, Bill -- Bill Porter Loxahatchee, Florida > Hi all, > > I have never actually heard "Lionel's Railsounds!" [I haven't bin to > da big city neither!] So my questions are, do you think Railsounds > enhancement is a big plus to your layout? or do you tire of it soon > and then rarely use it? Would you recommend somebody to acquire it, > as a must have item for home layouts. Thanks for your imput... > > Ted in Bug Tussel > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38106	From: Scott Holm	Date: 1/9/2006
Subject: Re: Railsounds...love it or forget it!

The Railsounds for the steam engine is fine and an integral part of the operation, but the diesel sounds are much less interesting. The horn is good and sounds a lot better than the DC-activated horn in Flyonel's non-Railsounds engines though. Even the Flyer buzzer horns sound better than the regular Flyonel horns. --------------------------------- Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38107	From: Roy Inman	Date: 1/9/2006
Subject: Re: Railsounds...love it or forget it!

Ted, There is merit in what Bill says. And at the outcome, it is perhaps a personal choice. But the very reason sound systems have a volume control, is to, well, turn the volume down as well as up. I have noticed that the engines running on the huge G gauge layout in Union Station Kansas City do exhibit more dynamic range, especially bass, than do the smaller scales. We have an N gauge mountain layout in operation as well, and those sounds are tiny and tinny by comparison. Kids especially seem to like it LOUD I have noticed, far louder than my grandpappy ears appreciate it. Roy Inman > From: wpporter@... > Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 06:50:52 -0800 (PST) > To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Railsounds...love it or forget it! > > Most folks seem to turn them up to a high > level.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38108	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 1/9/2006
Subject: Interesting eBay item / close price

I logged in to snoop a sec a minute before 6026720755 closed, thus it was at the top of the list and caught my eye based on the price. The TM price guide does indeed show a AF Tuscan caboose in '52... book price of $30 and a 2 for rarity. aaahhh, am I missing something here? I prefer the red cabooses myself, so tuscan is blaaa to me anyway, then to shell out that much for tuscan.. ???? ;-) Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38109	From: Art Shifrin	Date: 1/9/2006
Subject: Flarx

Hi Gang, I KNOW that the context of the question about Marx conversions was in "S". But I admit to being 'guilty' of converting some AF 3/16s 3 rail tender couplers for a friend. In this case the purpose was to replace the (shall I say, not particularly tractive) Marx engines with hefty AF ones, such as K4s, Hudsons and Northerns. The chap's running 30 car trains of their lithographed tinplate rolling stock! BTW is there anyone else on this list who RUNS 3 rail AF 3/16s? Best, Shiffy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38110	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 1/9/2006
Subject: Re: Flarx

In a message dated 1/9/2006 11:21:08 AM Eastern Standard Time, Goldens3@... writes: BTW is there anyone else on this list who RUNS 3 rail AF 3/16s? Yes, but it is all pure Gilbert and "Chicago" Flyer. No Frankentrains.<grin> Bob Bubeck [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38111	From: Mark Koenig	Date: 1/9/2006
Subject: Smoke and Sound Questions

Hey all, I thought I read the answers to these questions at some time or another on the list but can't seem to find them in the archives. Now that I have had a chance to put up a temporary layout I have been able to run some of the items I've bought over the past few years but can't figure a few things out: I don't get smoke out of my Flyonel Docksider unless I hold the drivers off the track and have my 12B at almost full throttle, is this normal with these? I can't get the whistle/bell to work properly on my Flyonel Mikado. I can't get the whistle to blow at all and the bell will only sound intermittently (meaning that sometimes it will sound and I can't get it to turn off or it won't sound at all). I am using it in conventional mode using an American Models (AM) sound controller. It will work with a Flyonel horn/whistle button, so I am thinking there is something about the AM controller (the AM controller activates my Flyonel UP B unit just fine). I understand that these problems would most likely be resolved using TMCC but with only one engine TMCC equipped I can't justify the expense. Lastly, I have one of the newer AM pacific's and I knew there were problems with these navigating flyer switches but thought it had been resolved. Any solution to it (the trailing truck) derailing when backing through flyer switches (other than having it only go forward through the switch)? It's nice to have trains running again after almost 5 years of inactivity, and to have a source to go to while troubleshooting. Thanks in advance for any suggestions. "S"incerely, Mark Koenig Lino Lakes, MN

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38112	From: Ted / Sharon Turczak	Date: 1/9/2006
Subject: Re: Railsounds...love it or forget it!

Dear Carl, Thanks for your input...If there is a person that I hold in high S gauge esteem it is you! Your web site and your help and comments over the years have helped so many... It looks like I should get me some Railsounds! Thanks again Carl, Ted in Winnipeg -------Original Message------- From: Carl Tuveson Date: 01/09/06 07:55:04 To: 'tedcanflyer'; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Railsounds...love it or forget it! Ted, I you are a loop runner then hours of it would get old, but for realistic running it is very cool. Also the chuff sound volume can be muted or lowered separately from the whistle and bell. There are many sounds, Air pumps, Blow down, Crew Talk, Coupler Clank, Hissing etc., besides the Bell, 4 chuff Cadence and Whistle. The whistle on RailSounds 5 is Very realistic and vary in tone by how long you hold the button. The quality is amazing. It's more to go wrong but more to play with and you will play with it. Carl -----Original Message----- From: tedcanflyer [mailto:rturczak@...] Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 12:59 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Railsounds...love it or forget it! Hi all, I have never actually heard "Lionel's Railsounds!" [I haven't bin to da big city neither!] So my questions are, do you think Railsounds enhancement is a big plus to your layout? or do you tire of it soon and then rarely use it? Would you recommend somebody to acquire it, as a must have item for home layouts. Thanks for your imput... Ted in Bug Tussel S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38113	From: Richard Clouse	Date: 1/9/2006
Subject: Re: Railsounds...love it or forget it!

Hi All! I had my MOPAC PA retrofitted with TMCC and Railsounds. The Diesel Horn is GREAT!!!!!! My wife particularly likes it at 0600 on Sunday Mornings!!!!! In all seriousness, I think Railsounds is a neat feature. The new Flyonel Mikados each have a slightly different pitch to the steam whistles -- the Southern is particularly soulful. However, if you have a group of people in the room who are trying to talk, as Mr. Porter indicates, the sounds can be annoying or even downright disruptive. Fortunately, they are easy to turn down or simply turn off. Rich Clouse From the Foot of Cajon Pass, CA wpporter@... wrote: Hi Ted, I must provide a countervailing opinion. I have never heard a sound system that added to the experience. Most folks seem to turn them up to a high level. The sounds are then usually painfully piercing. Diesel or steam, they all sound irritating after 2 or 3 minutes. I have witnessed Lionel, MTH, and various DCC sound systems (even our own beloved SHS with the 10-button system) and scales (G, O, S, HO and N) with common results. The older American Flyer chuff in some steam engines is not too bad. Perhaps because it is never very loud. Have you ever visited a friend who demonstrated his stereo (or even his older Hi-Fi)? Do they always turn it up so loud that your eardrums bleed? One problem for my ears is that the speakers and enclosures that fit in our trains do not adequately baffle the sound energy. So, the high-pitched sounds come through much better than do the low-pitched sounds. In order to hear the rumbles and other low sounds, the volume must be turned up. That makes the high-pitched sounds far too loud. Perhaps if I had a little more hearing loss, it would be better. I suspect, but have not proved, that large speakers mounted under the layout which reproduce all of the sounds at appropriate sound pressure levels might be a plus at train shows or demonstrations. Good Luck, Bill -- Bill Porter Loxahatchee, Florida > Hi all, > > I have never actually heard "Lionel's Railsounds!" [I haven't bin to > da big city neither!] So my questions are, do you think Railsounds > enhancement is a big plus to your layout? or do you tire of it soon > and then rarely use it? Would you recommend somebody to acquire it, > as a must have item for home layouts. Thanks for your imput... > > Ted in Bug Tussel > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38114	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 1/9/2006
Subject: Re: Railsounds...love it or forget it!

Railsounds ALWAYS works better with 2 Flyonel controllers. I have had RS get into the self-protect mode when I used a K-Line whistle controller.If you've got either the bell or whistle only, you need to use a second controller. If a B unit has either sound, but not the one you'd prefer, turn it around so it's reversed-then you'll get the horn, but no bell. Intermittent, random bell or whistle coming on may be a short that isn't "hard" enough to trip the breaker, but arcs to the track. Darken the room and you very likely will see where it's happening. As to the cost of the handset and transmitter, check Charles Ro Supply- I paid $48 for mine, and have seen that as a special price since. WARNING: operating in Command mode may be hazardous to your desire to run conventional locomotives! It's wicked cool to answer the door, handset in hand, and blow the whistle/horn as your visitors step in!-John Marganski --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos – Showcase holiday pictures in hardcover Photo Books. You design it and we’ll bind it! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38115	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 1/9/2006
Subject: Re: S-Scale Modeling Advertisement: Baldwin Westinghouse B and D pl

Dear Tom: A Baldwin-Westinghouse B is a steeplecab locomotive for small electric railroads. Normally they were run with a trolley pole but, at the owner's discression, some ran with pantographs and others with third rail. They normally ran at either 600 or 1200 VDC. In Mason City, Iowa, on January 9, 2006 (today) there are three 600 volt, Class B steeple cabs in daily use. This trio has build dates of 1919, 1921, and 1923. Each has had a colorful career, arriving in Mason City in the 1960s. Today they are kept busy hauling jumbo hoppers full of soybean meal and gondolas full of rusty iron extracted from steel belted radial tires. Attached is a link to a nice photo of 50 out plowing snow in 1996. http://206.103.49.193/iatr/htm/iatr133.htm. In 1996 she was painted in post-lead, pre-DuPont Imeron which is why she is so faded. When I saw her on December 27, 2005, she looked much better. Because the Iowa Traction is still running, it is prototypical to model these locomotives on any model railroad from about 1906 through today. Thorin ________________________________ From: Thomas Baker [mailto:bakert@...] Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 3:39 PM To: Marty.Thorin Subject: RE: S-Scale Modeling Advertisement: Baldwin Westinghouse B and D plus Brill 55 Motorcars What is the Baldwin-Westinghouse B? Excuse my ignorance. Tom ________________________________ From: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Marty.Thorin Sent: Mon 1/9/2006 9:05 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com; S-Scale@yahoogroups.com; orderdesk@... Subject: S-Scale Modeling Advertisement: Baldwin Westinghouse B and D plus Brill 55 Motorcars Merle Rice of Model Railroad Warehouse e-mailed me that the test sheet for the Baldwin Westinghouse B arrived today. It looks good. Merle is hoping to have production start ASAP. Currently the first run of the B is nearly sold out. Pre-orders are still being accepted for the D and the 55. SKU NAME PRICE STATUS 772-64-100 Baldwin B $129.95 1st run overrun nearly sold out 772-64-102 Baldwin D $139.95 1st run deadline April 1, 2006 772-64-358 Brill 55 Motorcar $129.95 1st run deadline April 1, 2006 Includes Roof template Thorin

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38116	From: Gerald Dobbs	Date: 1/9/2006
Subject: 23791 cow on the track

Just took a cow on the track from my layout. Just don't care for it. Box, controller & mouse eaten instructions. Any interest? E-mail for picture. $60.00 + $7.00 shipping. Jerry 77-11644

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38117	From: Phil K	Date: 1/9/2006
Subject: Re: Railsounds...love it or forget it!

Roy Inman wrote: >...if you are operating the layout mostly for your own, personal pleasure, then, yes, the Railsounds (or any other sounds) wear thin rather quickly. However, if you have a regular stream of visitors and/or operators, such as your kids, grandkids, club members, etc., then the sounds are always a hit, and in my experience, especially the "talky" phases.< Rather than tell you how I feel about this topic, just let me say that I bought two boxcars with diesel sound units from American Models to pull behind "mute" locomotives when the layout is open to visitors. They save me from having kids ask: "Why is that engine broken?" I say: The more noise and smoke, the better. Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38118	From: ken garber	Date: 1/9/2006
Subject: Department 56

I heard a long time ago that Department 56 structures are 1:64th. Is this fact? I'm thinking about setting up a static train display - using an AF steam loco and one or two passenger cars - in a old town scene for my sister-in-law for next Christmas. Thanks Ken [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38119	From: Al Baker	Date: 1/9/2006
Subject: Union Pacific suing model train makers

Has there been any effort, organized or not, to express displeasure and outrage to UP regarding what they are doing? Al Baker

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38120	From: Phil K	Date: 1/9/2006
Subject: Re: Union Pacific suing model train makers

> Has there been any effort, organized or not, to express displeasure and outrage to UP regarding what they are doing? > Al Baker You betcha. A lot of the more progressive train clubs in all gauges have written letters expressing displeasure. Many of us on this list sent individual emails. In every case we know of, UP responded with a generic form letter explaining that its motivation was to (paraphrasing here) ensure the sanctity of the brand and NOT for the money. Blah, blah, blah. However, when it all boils down, apparently it is the money. If UP simply wanted to ensure the purity of their brand, why would they force-feed a licensing agreement that "requires model train manufacturers to pay a royalty PLUS reveal to Union Pacific their business strategies for Union Pacific models, including marketing budgets, manufacturing details, distribution channels, and sales goals." Pretty nosy, eh? This topic was discussed at length on this board when it first raised its ugly head about a year ago. You'll find more details in the archives. UP also claims it owns the rights to all of the heralds, etc., of all the railroads it acquired and shut-down over the years. UP never made an attempt to keep those brands alive. Until recently, when it became an issue, UP suddenly started rolling out a few "historic herald" paint job locomotives -- wild new paint schemes with logos for MP, CNW, MKT, DRG, etc. Heck, if they were gonna do that, why not use the classic paint schemes, too? At least it would make us photographers happy. Let's be honest here. Forget the historic thing, and dry those misty eyes. UP is simply trying to shut the barn door by showing current use of fallen flag brands, but methinks the horse is already gone. You hafta wonder if UP's non-use and non-registration of the fallen flag logos for so many years can be construed as abandonment, letting them slide into the public domain. That's sticking point No.1, and should be decided in a court of law. They're not currently operating the MP or CNW or any of the others as a railroad, and that's what those brands were licensed for. What's ironic is that this renegade, greedy attitude emanates from a company that, years ago, offered its logos for free and even offered to pay for the tooling just to have model train manufacturers put its logo on their trains. And that is sticking point No.2 -- UP let model train manufacturers use the logos for free for 100-plus years, and now suddenly wants to charge for it. None of UP's contentions have been tested in court -- yet. Most model train manufacturers can't afford a court fight -- which UP knows -- and therefore they either capitulate and sign the agreement, or stop producing UP stuff. I gotta think Mike's Train House is willing to be the Big Dog here, to test UP's rights to the fallen flags in court, and this is only the beginning. Stay tuned. Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38121	From: Roy Inman	Date: 1/9/2006
Subject: Re: Union Pacific suing model train makers

Al, you have no idea the outrage, both from individual modelers and from publications. The Union Pacific don't care. > From: Al Baker <albaker33@...> > Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 03:20:20 +0000 > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] Union Pacific suing model train makers > > Has there been any effort, organized or not, to express displeasure > and outrage to UP regarding what they are doing? > Al Baker > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38122	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 1/9/2006
Subject: Re: Union Pacific suing model train makers

Perhaps, if you were a big shipper via rail, you may have a chance to get their attention. The rest of us are nobody to them. AZnd they have such of a monopoly on their routes that how could you ship and not use them? jfred --- Roy Inman <rinphoto@...> wrote: > Al, you have no idea the outrage, both from > individual modelers and from > publications. > The Union Pacific don't care. > > > From: Al Baker <albaker33@...> > > Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 03:20:20 +0000 > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [S-Trains] Union Pacific suing model > train makers > > > > Has there been any effort, organized or not, to > express displeasure > > and outrage to UP regarding what they are doing? > > Al Baker > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > __________________________________________ Yahoo! DSL – Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38123	From: Al Baker	Date: 1/10/2006
Subject: Union Pacific suing model train makers

Thanks everyone for your replys. Is there a particular UP email address that one more person can respond to? Al Baker

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38124	From: Thomas Doherty	Date: 1/10/2006
Subject: Re: S-Scale Modeling Advertisement: Baldwin Westinghouse B and D pl

We have Black Beetles with the correct wheel base in both Hirail and scale. All are supplied as DC but the new Dallee reverse unit will fit just fine! Tom Doherty PA Heritage Models, Ltd. http://www.paheritagemodels.com/ -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Marty.Thorin Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 5:10 PM To: Thomas Baker Cc: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com; S-Scale@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] RE: S-Scale Modeling Advertisement: Baldwin Westinghouse B and D plus Brill 55 Motorcars Dear Tom: A Baldwin-Westinghouse B is a steeplecab locomotive for small electric railroads. Normally they were run with a trolley pole but, at the owner's discression, some ran with pantographs and others with third rail. They normally ran at either 600 or 1200 VDC. In Mason City, Iowa, on January 9, 2006 (today) there are three 600 volt, Class B steeple cabs in daily use. This trio has build dates of 1919, 1921, and 1923. Each has had a colorful career, arriving in Mason City in the 1960s. Today they are kept busy hauling jumbo hoppers full of soybean meal and gondolas full of rusty iron extracted from steel belted radial tires. Attached is a link to a nice photo of 50 out plowing snow in 1996. http://206.103.49.193/iatr/htm/iatr133.htm. In 1996 she was painted in post-lead, pre-DuPont Imeron which is why she is so faded. When I saw her on December 27, 2005, she looked much better. Because the Iowa Traction is still running, it is prototypical to model these locomotives on any model railroad from about 1906 through today. Thorin ________________________________ From: Thomas Baker [mailto:bakert@...] Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 3:39 PM To: Marty.Thorin Subject: RE: S-Scale Modeling Advertisement: Baldwin Westinghouse B and D plus Brill 55 Motorcars What is the Baldwin-Westinghouse B? Excuse my ignorance. Tom ________________________________ From: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Marty.Thorin Sent: Mon 1/9/2006 9:05 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com; S-Scale@yahoogroups.com; orderdesk@... Subject: S-Scale Modeling Advertisement: Baldwin Westinghouse B and D plus Brill 55 Motorcars Merle Rice of Model Railroad Warehouse e-mailed me that the test sheet for the Baldwin Westinghouse B arrived today. It looks good. Merle is hoping to have production start ASAP. Currently the first run of the B is nearly sold out. Pre-orders are still being accepted for the D and the 55. SKU NAME PRICE STATUS 772-64-100 Baldwin B $129.95 1st run overrun nearly sold out 772-64-102 Baldwin D $139.95 1st run deadline April 1, 2006 772-64-358 Brill 55 Motorcar $129.95 1st run deadline April 1, 2006 Includes Roof template Thorin S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38125	From: John	Date: 1/10/2006
Subject: Re: Union Pacific suing model train makers

The best thing that all of us can do is buy one share of UP Stock, then we would have a voice, stock holders can go to the annual share holders meeting and voice thier displeasure at UP's actions, besides being able to contact the board of directors personally. John Simms --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Al Baker" <albaker33@c...> wrote: > > Has there been any effort, organized or not, to express displeasure > and outrage to UP regarding what they are doing? > Al Baker >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38126	From: John	Date: 1/10/2006
Subject: Re: Union Pacific suing model train makers

Just imagine, if the UPRR and their employees were to try and do real railroad business like their "Sharks" are, then BNSF would have some real competition. John --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "John" <pompeiijazz98@y...> wrote: > > The best thing that all of us can do is buy one share of UP Stock, > then we would have a voice, stock holders can go to the annual share > holders meeting and voice thier displeasure at UP's actions, besides > being able to contact the board of directors personally. > > John Simms > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Al Baker" <albaker33@c...> wrote: > > > > Has there been any effort, organized or not, to express displeasure > > and outrage to UP regarding what they are doing? > > Al Baker > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38127	From: James Hannawald	Date: 1/10/2006
Subject: Re: Union Pacific suing model train makers

Al, This is the repsonse I got from UP when I sent them an email complaining about their policy. "Thank you for sharing your concerns about Union Pacific's licensing program. Union Pacific announced a formal licensing program in 2002. The program for the model railroad industry was developed in consultation with the Model Railroad Industry Association. Rates for model railroad manufacturers are extremely low and small businesses are generally exempt from royalty payments. Media reports and internet chatter have inaccurately portrayed the royalty fees. On a $10 model, royalty rates are pennies. You can find additional information about our licensing program on our Web site at http://www.uprr.com/newsinfo/modelrail.shtml. webmaster@... " Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Al Baker" <albaker33@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 10:20 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Union Pacific suing model train makers > Has there been any effort, organized or not, to express displeasure > and outrage to UP regarding what they are doing? > Al Baker > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38128	From: ED WHELAN	Date: 1/10/2006
Subject: UP: Union Pacific Contact List

Hello to all, You can voice your concerns directly to UP by following the link below. It would appear that they already have many license agreements with model train companies such as Athern, Atlas, Bachmann, LGB, Life Like, & USA trains. Ed Whelan-Pittsburgh http://www.uprr.com/aboutup/info/contact/index.shtml [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38129	From: garyandkay66203	Date: 1/10/2006
Subject: re-locating

I must sell train sets and misc. cars, track and accessories as well as train table. Would someone from the Kansas City S-Gauge club contact me off list. I would prefer to sell locally. Tele. # 913-677-4549

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38130	From: Roy Inman	Date: 1/10/2006
Subject: Re: Union Pacific suing model train makers

www.uprr.com and you will see a bunch of contacts. I sent what I felt were very diplomatic emails to most on the list. One of the persons on the list I had worked with in previous years. No reply. Nada. Zip. That does not mean your efforts might not be successful, but I just would not hold my breath waiting for a reply. Roy > From: Al Baker <albaker33@...> > Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 07:21:34 +0000 > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] Union Pacific suing model train makers > > Thanks everyone for your replys. > > Is there a particular UP email address that one more person can > respond to? > > Al Baker > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38131	From: BENJAMIN PERRY	Date: 1/10/2006
Subject: Re: Union Pacific suing model train makers

I just don't understand the Union Pacific's legal department. I think that all of us would agree that the UP logos etc are private property of the company. Doesn't the legal department know that the Supreme Court ruled that private property can be taken and turned over to others for profit. And look at the way they run that railroad. Why they have a locomotive that has been on their roster for nearly 70 years and they run it all over the western states. They do the same thing with another locomotive that they call the world's largest active steam locomotive. You can see that they don't care for the environment. They even have a one of a kind 37 year old diesel locomotive that they use with the steam locomotives and a bunch of heritage passenger cars, like dome, lounge and other classic cars. All of this obsolete equipment is maintained by a dedicated staff and shop. The company also maintains a museum in Omaha and maintains two large locomotives that are on static display. What a waste of money. Have you seen their website? All kinds of junk on sale. Stuff like mugs, photos, clothes and even employee time tables. Is that any way to run a railroad? I feel so sorry for MTH. They would never sue anyone alleging unauthorized use of their property. Ben Perry The hobo Lets his Whiskers sprout It's trains-not girls That he takes out BURMA-SHAVE -----Original Message----- From: JFrederick Roberts Sent: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 21:52:12 -0800 To: Roy Inman, Al Baker, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Union Pacific suing model train makers Perhaps, if you were a big shipper via rail, you may have a chance to get their attention. The rest of us are nobody to them. AZnd they have such of a monopoly on their routes that how could you ship and not use them? jfred --- Roy Inman <rinphoto@...> wrote: > Al, you have no idea the outrage, both from > individual modelers and from > publications. > The Union Pacific don't care. > > > From: Al Baker <albaker33@...> > > Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 03:20:20 +0000 > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [S-Trains] Union Pacific suing model > train makers > > > > Has there been any effort, organized or not, to > express displeasure > > and outrage to UP regarding what they are doing? > > Al Baker > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > __________________________________________ Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38132	From: Roy Inman	Date: 1/10/2006
Subject: Re: Union Pacific suing model train makers

Of course how many $10 models are there today? How about a $1500 O scale Big Boy, like those made by Lionel? Their "logic" sounds very much like that out of Washington's politicians, whatever the administration or party affilation of the moment. Roy Inman > From: James Hannawald <jhannawald@...> > Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 08:00:51 -0500 > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Al Baker <albaker33@...> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Union Pacific suing model train makers > > Al, > > This is the repsonse I got from UP when I sent them an email complaining > about their policy. > > "Thank you for sharing your concerns about Union Pacific's licensing > program. Union Pacific announced a formal licensing program in 2002. The > program for the model railroad industry was developed in consultation with > the Model Railroad Industry Association. Rates for model railroad > manufacturers are extremely low and small businesses are generally exempt > from royalty payments. Media reports and internet chatter have > inaccurately portrayed the royalty fees. On a $10 model, royalty rates are > pennies. You can find additional information about our licensing program > on our Web site at http://www.uprr.com/newsinfo/modelrail.shtml. > webmaster@... " > > Jim > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Al Baker" <albaker33@...> > To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 10:20 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] Union Pacific suing model train makers > > >> Has there been any effort, organized or not, to express displeasure >> and outrage to UP regarding what they are doing? >> Al Baker >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com >> All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! >> >> Enjoy thousands of great photos >> at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail >> Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38133	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 1/10/2006
Subject: Re: Advertisement: Baldwin Westinghouse B and D plus Brill 55 Motor

Good Morning: I am receiving requests for more information on the steeplecab kits. Here is a condensation of the post I did on December 14, 2005 with the update information included. (The entire original post with all of Model RR Warehouse's S Scale products is in the archives.) Merle Rice of Model RR Warehouse (http://www.mrrwarehouse.com/index.html) has requested I create and post this e-mail. Baldwin Westinghouse Class B Steeplecab kits in S Scale are being etched right now! Get your orders in! The price is $129.95 each. This kit consists of the frame, short hoods, cab walls, and roof. It does not include mechanism, handrails, headlights, trucks, trolley poles, pantographs, etc. Just the bare shell. I have ordered 7. Merle is taking orders for other S Scale kits as well. SHIPPING charge in US for single kit $10. #64-100 Baldwin Class B Steeple Cab body $129.95 Brass body kit less power, bells, lights, poles, and other detail parts. 1st run nearly sold out! #64-102 Baldwin Class D Steeple Cab body $139.95 Brass body kit less power, bells, lights, poles, and other detail parts. 1st run deadline April 1, 2006. #64-358 Brill 55 Motorcar body $129.95 Brass body kit less power, bells, lights, poles, and other detail parts. Includes roof template. 1st run deadline April 1, 2006. More information on the steeplecabs can be found at http://www.mrrwarehouse.com/MRW-Made/steeple.htm. Ignore the fact that this documentation is for the HO version. The instructions are the same. MRRW is only etching as many steeplecabs as they have orders for. But don't worry. If you miss the deadline for the first order, he only needs orders for 3 or 4 before he does another run. Plus he can mix and match S and O to get the 3 or 4. But not getting in on the first order raises the price as the pattern work, much more than the brass, determines the price. To order: Use the website to determine the part number. Because this is S and not HO, then either e-mail or call 1-800-672-8762 weekdays between 8 AM and 5 PM EST for reservations/orders only. Barbara has NO knowledge of trains, so please refer all questions to Merle <mailto:sales@...> by email or mail. (NE Indiana does not observe Daylight Savings time) __________________________________________________________ Currently I have orders in for 7 B, 4 D, and one IT B! The first order of Bs should arrive at MRRW just after Christmas. Baldwin-Westinghouse locomotives in use TODAY in Iowa ----------------------------------------------------- Iowa Traction Railroad 50 Class B Iowa Traction Railroad 51 Class B Iowa Traction Railroad 54 Class B Iowa Traction Railroad 60 Class C Only two Class C locomotives ever build and both ended up on this line in Iowa. I and many others who model Iowa Traction plan to use a Class D as the substitute. It is close. Thorin -----Original Message----- From: Marty.Thorin Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 4:10 PM To: 'Thomas Baker' Cc: 'S-Trains@yahoogroups.com'; S-Scale@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: S-Scale Modeling Advertisement: Baldwin Westinghouse B and D plus Brill 55 Motorcars Dear Tom: A Baldwin-Westinghouse B is a steeplecab locomotive for small electric railroads. Normally they were run with a trolley pole but, at the owner's discression, some ran with pantographs and others with third rail. They normally ran at either 600 or 1200 VDC. In Mason City, Iowa, on January 9, 2006 (today) there are three 600 volt, Class B steeple cabs in daily use. This trio has build dates of 1919, 1921, and 1923. Each has had a colorful career, arriving in Mason City in the 1960s. Today they are kept busy hauling jumbo hoppers full of soybean meal and gondolas full of rusty iron extracted from steel belted radial tires. Attached is a link to a nice photo of 50 out plowing snow in 1996. http://206.103.49.193/iatr/htm/iatr133.htm. In 1996 she was painted in post-lead, pre-DuPont Imeron which is why she is so faded. When I saw her on December 27, 2005, she looked much better. Because the Iowa Traction is still running, it is prototypical to model these locomotives on any model railroad from about 1906 through today. Thorin ________________________________ From: Thomas Baker [mailto:bakert@...] Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 3:39 PM To: Marty.Thorin Subject: RE: S-Scale Modeling Advertisement: Baldwin Westinghouse B and D plus Brill 55 Motorcars What is the Baldwin-Westinghouse B? Excuse my ignorance. Tom ________________________________ From: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Marty.Thorin Sent: Mon 1/9/2006 9:05 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com; S-Scale@yahoogroups.com; orderdesk@... Subject: S-Scale Modeling Advertisement: Baldwin Westinghouse B and D plus Brill 55 Motorcars Merle Rice of Model Railroad Warehouse e-mailed me that the test sheet for the Baldwin Westinghouse B arrived today. It looks good. Merle is hoping to have production start ASAP. Currently the first run of the B is nearly sold out. Pre-orders are still being accepted for the D and the 55. SKU NAME PRICE STATUS 772-64-100 Baldwin B $129.95 1st run overrun nearly sold out 772-64-102 Baldwin D $139.95 1st run deadline April 1, 2006 772-64-358 Brill 55 Motorcar $129.95 1st run deadline April 1, 2006 Includes Roof template Thorin

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38134	From: frank emiro	Date: 1/10/2006
Subject: UP & Monopoly

Can you imagine if one of the Railroads on the Monopoly Board would have been Union Pacific ? The UP might even charge two hundred to pass over there RR, not to mention how much MB would have to pay for use of UP on all Monopoly boards. --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos – Showcase holiday pictures in hardcover Photo Books. You design it and we’ll bind it! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38135	From: WEG138@aol.com	Date: 1/10/2006
Subject: Fwd: Model Trains & Logos

Just for fun I sent UP this note. Bill Greaves [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38136	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 1/10/2006
Subject: Dept 56

"I heard a long time ago that Department 56 structures are 1:64th. Is this fact?" - Ken, I think my Xmas in the City series is 1/64 scale or so close you couldn't tell. The people and vehicles are large but the buildings are just right. Some of the other series, Dickens, for example are a bit small. I use them for background structures. If you get a chance, you can see D 56 Xmas in the City with Flyer at: http://s-scale.org/albums/album60 The humming bird image is not mine-no idea how it got there. Tom Stoltz [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38137	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 1/10/2006
Subject: re;UP sueing model train makers

Allow me to again note my displeasure of the UP thing. However, just because MTH has been involved in high profile court fights in the past (Lionel), I'm not sure they're ready to take on a monolith like UP. But if anyone in the industry would, I suspect they would. On the other hand, Lionel has been doing this licensing thing for many years and has chased down folks who used their logo without permission. The courts have upheld their position. One difference is that Lionel has never "abandonded" their name or logo, like UP did with their fallen flags. (So there may be hope if you model Missouri Pacific, but you may be in trouble if you model UP!) Fortunately for me as an "eastern" model railroader, I have no need to buy UP rolling stock, so as far as my railtoad is concerned either UP doesn't exist or we do no business with them. However, a modeler of "western" railroads might be in deep do-do if UP keeps this crap up! Sad and stupid situation caused by corperate greed. Stumpy Stone...watching from the sidelines in Appalchia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38138	From: mlmarmer	Date: 1/10/2006
Subject: Disgraceful

I think it is totally disgraceful what TCA did with the January 2006 National Headquarters News. If TCA is having financial problems, that is another issue that must be dealt with, but don't go changing what, we as members, expect to received from TCA for our membership, for example deleting the Interchange Point in January's issue. I assume that the Interchange will be resume in the next TCA news. What will be next then, to surprise us? Many of us, in fact all of us, look forward to receiving the news letter and checking out the Interchange Point. I see lots of emails on the TCA list about dues increase, due to this deletion, but I see no really upset that the interchange was not in this issue. Sad, how things can change from issue to issue. This is how you will lose members, from being in consistent with the format that we thought we were getting. Keep it up the good work in really wrecking TCA. Don't fool around with the newsletters and magazine, due to other issues in TCA. Solve the problem some other way. And we know what that is, as it is the main topic on TCA list right now, whether right or wrong, but to do what has happen to the News Letter was a shock to many of us and totally wrong. Mike Marmer

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38139	From: Dave Ganslein	Date: 1/10/2006
Subject: Union Pacific

If we could remind the national news media up to the fact that America loves toy trains and the Grinch is trying to steal their Christmas, they might view it as a David vs Goliath struggle. And that if U.P. succedes, toy train manufacturing may cease altogether. When the "Onion's" P.R. dept. finds out they were getting a media black eye things could change quickly. Just A thought Diesel Dave __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38140	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/10/2006
Subject: New UP paint jobs & Spy VS Spy

Hi all, Thought you might get a kick out of these, posted on the TCA list: http://www.lionelnation.com/assets/images/NewUnionPacificPaintJob1.gif http://www.lionelnation.com/assets/images/NewUnionPacificPaintJob2.gif Also, there is a thread on comedy parodies of trains, and we were invited to create our own. Here's my submission of a MAD magazine Spy VS Spy one. The black spy is playing with his AF train layout in his basement, pushes the missle launch button, and the missle blows up--outside the casement window we see the white spy with a remote control button and he's snickering. Next, the white spy is playing with his Lionel three rail trains in his basement. Outside we see the black spy fiddling with the electric service box. The White spy's trains stop working, and he goes to investigate. The black spy reaches through the casement window and throws the ZW throttle full on. As the white spy picks up a piece of track to investigate, the black spy throws the electric box switch and we see the white spy light up like a Christmas tree. He He He, The AF guy gets the last laugh!! S' David "two rails" Dewey

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38141	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 1/10/2006
Subject: Re: Disgraceful

why don't they just raise thr STUPID batroom rates...... put in PAY TOILLETS at York........... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "mlmarmer" <mlmarmer@...> To: "Toy Trains" <toytrains@yahoogroups.com>; <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; "Ralph Loveless" <ralcor888@...> Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 8:16 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Disgraceful >I think it is totally disgraceful what TCA did with the January 2006 > National Headquarters News. > > If TCA is having financial problems, that is another issue that must be > dealt with, but don't go changing what, we as members, expect to received > from TCA for our membership, for example deleting the Interchange Point in > January's issue. I assume that the Interchange will be resume in the next > TCA news. What will be next then, to surprise us? Many of us, in fact > all > of us, look forward to receiving the news letter and checking out the > Interchange Point. > > I see lots of emails on the TCA list about dues increase, due to this > deletion, but I see no really upset that the interchange was not in this > issue. > > Sad, how things can change from issue to issue. > > This is how you will lose members, from being in consistent with the > format > that we thought we were getting. > > Keep it up the good work in really wrecking TCA. > > Don't fool around with the newsletters and magazine, due to other issues > in > TCA. Solve the problem some other way. And we know what that is, as it > is > the main topic on TCA list right now, whether right or wrong, but to do > what > has happen to the News Letter was a shock to many of us and totally wrong. > > Mike Marmer > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38142	From: Roy Inman	Date: 1/10/2006
Subject: Re: Union Pacific

Good notion Dave, but at the time the story first broke, there was tons of negative PR in the national media. Wall Street Journal even ran a piece, as did the NYT. And maybe Fox and CNN as well... and of course it was all over the train publications. I believe that stockholders opinions count for more than the general public's opinion. Roy > From: Dave Ganslein <dieseldave72@...> > Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 17:37:51 -0800 (PST) > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] Union Pacific > > If we could remind the national news media up to the > fact that America loves toy trains and the Grinch is > trying to steal their Christmas, they might view it as > a David vs Goliath struggle. And that if U.P. > succedes, toy train manufacturing may cease > altogether. > When the "Onion's" P.R. dept. finds out they were > getting a media black eye things could change quickly. > > Just A thought > > Diesel Dave > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38143	From: Gary Chidester	Date: 1/10/2006
Subject: Re: Union Pacific

I think this would be the most effective solution, but I question whether or not the media would get involved. It doesn't bleed so it won't lead, but they might like the idea of taking on a large company. gary On 1/10/06 6:37 PM, "Dave Ganslein" <dieseldave72@...> wrote: > If we could remind the national news media up to the > fact that America loves toy trains and the Grinch is > trying to steal their Christmas, they might view it as > a David vs Goliath struggle. And that if U.P. > succedes, toy train manufacturing may cease > altogether. > When the "Onion's" P.R. dept. finds out they were > getting a media black eye things could change quickly. > > Just A thought > > Diesel Dave > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38144	From: Phil K	Date: 1/10/2006
Subject: Re: Transformer American Flyer by D. Dewey

From David Dewey, sent to wrong mailbox and re-routed: While your set may have come with a #1 transformer, the 1-1/2 is much more common, usually in the $5 to $25 range at train shows, and even eBay has them. You can also use larger number transformers, more power! (the Tim Allen effect! :) ) Of course, if you still have the original box, and the set is in pristeen condition, then you'd want to have the correct transformer, for the collectable value. S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38145	From: Phil K	Date: 1/11/2006
Subject: Re: Disgraceful

I have been a member of the National TCA for five years, since I got back into model trains. I have paid $25 a year to receive a few issues of the National Headquarters News, and nothing more. The last two years, they failed to send me the annual membership list. The year previous, I had to call to get one. I also have been made to feel like a second-class citizen because the "original" set offerings TCA makes are all 3-rail, O gauge. Yes, they offer an annual car is S, but the anniversary set and others are all in a scale I don't model. I joined mainly to support TCA. But upon hearing they may reduce the quality of the magazine (which is top-heavy with Lionel stories anyway) and the Natl HQ News AND ask me to pay an additional $7 to $10 a year to basically get less, I'll have to reconsider renewing my membership. The TCA membership is down 2% the last two years and they say they need the additional dues to make up for the lost funds. I wonder if they've considered how many more members will they lose if they cut the quality and add $10 to the annual price? Phil K ******************************************************************* --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mlmarmer" <mlmarmer@m...> wrote: > > I think it is totally disgraceful what TCA did with the January 2006 > National Headquarters News. > > If TCA is having financial problems, that is another issue that must be > dealt with, but don't go changing what, we as members, expect to received > from TCA for our membership, for example deleting the Interchange Point in > January's issue. I assume that the Interchange will be resume in the next > TCA news. What will be next then, to surprise us? Many of us, in fact all > of us, look forward to receiving the news letter and checking out the > Interchange Point. > > I see lots of emails on the TCA list about dues increase, due to this > deletion, but I see no really upset that the interchange was not in this > issue. > > Sad, how things can change from issue to issue. > > This is how you will lose members, from being in consistent with the format > that we thought we were getting. > > Keep it up the good work in really wrecking TCA. > > Don't fool around with the newsletters and magazine, due to other issues in > TCA. Solve the problem some other way. And we know what that is, as it is > the main topic on TCA list right now, whether right or wrong, but to do what > has happen to the News Letter was a shock to many of us and totally wrong. > > Mike Marmer >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38146	From: mlmarmer	Date: 1/11/2006
Subject: Re: [toytrains] Balancing the books.

Funny thing, is that the cards she is promoting are all sold out. Not a good marketing way of doing business, advertising something and disappointed the market base when you don't have the product. And no, I have no desire to buy any of these cards for many reasons. Paid advertising? Free Advertising for this back page? We wont know until the powers in charge clear this up. Cardgate!!! At least it is train related. O:)!! Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: "L.Andrew Jugle" <lajugle@...> To: <toytrains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 7:23 PM Subject: [toytrains] Balancing the books. > Just got the new TCA Quarterly. Apparently we are > solving financial woes by taking on advertising > in the Quarterly! Full page back covers of magazines > are always the most costly. Hope Angela paid dearly. > > L. Andrew Jugle, 70-2972, Elmhurst,IL > > > > > > > > > > --- > Train Collectors Association [www.traincollectors.org] > e-Train [www.tcamembers.org] > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38147	From: mlmarmer	Date: 1/11/2006
Subject: Re: Disgraceful

Bob, Good idea, O:)!, but York is completely separate from the doings at National Headquarters. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: "ROBERT ALLEN CONNER" <rcon7@...> To: "Toy Trains" <toytrains@yahoogroups.com>; <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; "Ralph Loveless" <ralcor888@...>; "mlmarmer" <mlmarmer@...> Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 11:22 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Disgraceful > why don't they just raise thr STUPID batroom rates...... put in PAY TOILLETS > at York........... Bob > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "mlmarmer" <mlmarmer@...> > To: "Toy Trains" <toytrains@yahoogroups.com>; <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; > "Ralph Loveless" <ralcor888@...> > Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 8:16 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] Disgraceful > > > >I think it is totally disgraceful what TCA did with the January 2006 > > National Headquarters News. > > > > If TCA is having financial problems, that is another issue that must be > > dealt with, but don't go changing what, we as members, expect to received > > from TCA for our membership, for example deleting the Interchange Point in > > January's issue. I assume that the Interchange will be resume in the next > > TCA news. What will be next then, to surprise us? Many of us, in fact > > all > > of us, look forward to receiving the news letter and checking out the > > Interchange Point. > > > > I see lots of emails on the TCA list about dues increase, due to this > > deletion, but I see no really upset that the interchange was not in this > > issue. > > > > Sad, how things can change from issue to issue. > > > > This is how you will lose members, from being in consistent with the > > format > > that we thought we were getting. > > > > Keep it up the good work in really wrecking TCA. > > > > Don't fool around with the newsletters and magazine, due to other issues > > in > > TCA. Solve the problem some other way. And we know what that is, as it > > is > > the main topic on TCA list right now, whether right or wrong, but to do > > what > > has happen to the News Letter was a shock to many of us and totally wrong. > > > > Mike Marmer > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38148	From: Roy Inman	Date: 1/11/2006
Subject: Re: Union Pacific

National media has already been there and done that, probably as much as it cares to. WSJ. NYT. CNN, etc., all did pieces. All the train magazines, both model and prototype, have commented. Note that UP has not budged. Point is: until media pressure, or some pressure from somewhere, threats at substantially hurting the UP's bottom line, why should they care? They are in business for one reason and one reason only-to make a profit. They care not about being first in a popularity contest, evidently. > From: Gary Chidester <gchidester@...> > Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 22:36:26 -0700 > To: Dave Ganslein <dieseldave72@...>, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Union Pacific > > I think this would be the most effective solution, but I question whether or > not the media would get involved. It doesn't bleed so it won't lead, but > they might like the idea of taking on a large company. > > gary > > > On 1/10/06 6:37 PM, "Dave Ganslein" <dieseldave72@...> wrote: > >> If we could remind the national news media up to the >> fact that America loves toy trains and the Grinch is >> trying to steal their Christmas, they might view it as >> a David vs Goliath struggle. And that if U.P. >> succedes, toy train manufacturing may cease >> altogether. >> When the "Onion's" P.R. dept. finds out they were >> getting a media black eye things could change quickly. >> >> Just A thought >> >> Diesel Dave >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Do You Yahoo!? >> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >> http://mail.yahoo.com >> >> >> >> >> S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com >> All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! >> >> Enjoy thousands of great photos >> at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail >> Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38149	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 1/11/2006
Subject: Re: Union Pacific

I have wondered why the UP has not realized that if the money from the Model Railroad licensing was to support their Steam and Historical programs that it would make it more palatable. At least put that spin on it. That campaign could have worked and even given them some positive support if done correctly. Carl

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38150	From: Gale Hall	Date: 1/11/2006
Subject: UP monies

Carl and list, Carl you are about 1000% correct, what a turn this would have made if some one had said we need this to cover the steam preservation programs. gale hall [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38151	From: dale reynolds	Date: 1/11/2006
Subject: Re: Union Pacific

as a longtime stockholder in up, i can say their value is at an all time high and their dividends allow me to buy lots of trains, but not any with their logo, ha ha..... Dale Reynolds reynoldsdale@... > [Original Message] > From: Roy Inman <rinphoto@...> > To: Gary Chidester <gchidester@...>; Dave Ganslein <dieseldave72@...>; <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Date: 1/11/2006 9:45:35 AM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Union Pacific > > National media has already been there and done that, probably as much as it > cares to. WSJ. NYT. CNN, etc., all did pieces. All the train magazines, both > model and prototype, have commented. > Note that UP has not budged. > Point is: until media pressure, or some pressure from somewhere, threats at > substantially hurting the UP's bottom line, why should they care? They are > in business for one reason and one reason only-to make a profit. They care > not about being first in a popularity contest, evidently. > > > > From: Gary Chidester <gchidester@...> > > Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 22:36:26 -0700 > > To: Dave Ganslein <dieseldave72@...>, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Union Pacific > > > > I think this would be the most effective solution, but I question whether or > > not the media would get involved. It doesn't bleed so it won't lead, but > > they might like the idea of taking on a large company. > > > > gary > > > > > > On 1/10/06 6:37 PM, "Dave Ganslein" <dieseldave72@...> wrote: > > > >> If we could remind the national news media up to the > >> fact that America loves toy trains and the Grinch is > >> trying to steal their Christmas, they might view it as > >> a David vs Goliath struggle. And that if U.P. > >> succedes, toy train manufacturing may cease > >> altogether. > >> When the "Onion's" P.R. dept. finds out they were > >> getting a media black eye things could change quickly. > >> > >> Just A thought > >> > >> Diesel Dave > >> > >> __________________________________________________ > >> Do You Yahoo!? > >> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > >> http://mail.yahoo.com > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > >> All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >> > >> Enjoy thousands of great photos > >> at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > >> Yahoo! Groups Links > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38152	From: Bruce D. Willis	Date: 1/11/2006
Subject: Sights to see?

I'll be in Newport, RI for a conference May 1-4. I may have time Sunday afternoon (April 30) and Friday morning (May 5) to see some noteworthy train related stuff. Monday evening will be busy, but the other evenings will probably be available, too. Any suggestions? - Bruce

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38153	From: dale reynolds	Date: 1/11/2006
Subject: Re: Disgraceful

forget tca, they were rude to me as an sgauger at strasburg several years ago anyway. support nasg, a great bunch of guys....... Dale Reynolds reynoldsdale@... > [Original Message] > From: Phil K <waldootten@...> > To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Date: 1/11/2006 4:15:42 AM > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Disgraceful > > I have been a member of the National TCA for five years, since I got > back into model trains. I have paid $25 a year to receive a few > issues of the National Headquarters News, and nothing more. The last > two years, they failed to send me the annual membership list. The > year previous, I had to call to get one. > > I also have been made to feel like a second-class citizen because > the "original" set offerings TCA makes are all 3-rail, O gauge. Yes, > they offer an annual car is S, but the anniversary set and others > are all in a scale I don't model. > > I joined mainly to support TCA. But upon hearing they may reduce the > quality of the magazine (which is top-heavy with Lionel stories > anyway) and the Natl HQ News AND ask me to pay an additional $7 to > $10 a year to basically get less, I'll have to reconsider renewing > my membership. The TCA membership is down 2% the last two years and > they say they need the additional dues to make up for the lost > funds. I wonder if they've considered how many more members will > they lose if they cut the quality and add $10 to the annual price? > > Phil K > > ******************************************************************* > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mlmarmer" <mlmarmer@m...> wrote: > > > > I think it is totally disgraceful what TCA did with the January > 2006 > > National Headquarters News. > > > > If TCA is having financial problems, that is another issue that > must be > > dealt with, but don't go changing what, we as members, expect to > received > > from TCA for our membership, for example deleting the Interchange > Point in > > January's issue. I assume that the Interchange will be resume in > the next > > TCA news. What will be next then, to surprise us? Many of us, in > fact all > > of us, look forward to receiving the news letter and checking out > the > > Interchange Point. > > > > I see lots of emails on the TCA list about dues increase, due to > this > > deletion, but I see no really upset that the interchange was not > in this > > issue. > > > > Sad, how things can change from issue to issue. > > > > This is how you will lose members, from being in consistent with > the format > > that we thought we were getting. > > > > Keep it up the good work in really wrecking TCA. > > > > Don't fool around with the newsletters and magazine, due to other > issues in > > TCA. Solve the problem some other way. And we know what that is, > as it is > > the main topic on TCA list right now, whether right or wrong, but > to do what > > has happen to the News Letter was a shock to many of us and > totally wrong. > > > > Mike Marmer > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38154	From: winchester54947	Date: 1/11/2006
Subject: solvent. paint and glue

I have visions of styrofoam cups full of gasoline so I'm wondering what types of glue are safe on vintage plastic? I will try to reattach the sillouettes inside plastic (and aluminum) pullman. Can you recommend a good cleaner/degreaser? What's the recommended spray paint? How about Krylon Fusion?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38155	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 1/11/2006
Subject: Re: K-Line S gauge cars - forsale

Selling my KLine cars still in the box at a "reduced" rate, if interested contact me off line. Jerry Matsick Jax, Fl

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38156	From: Dave Ganslein	Date: 1/11/2006
Subject: To Roy, Gary, & Dale re: Union Pacific

Thanks for the reply guys, I used these media tactics to help save the 99W Drive In theater in Newberg OR. (www.99w.com) from light pollution created by impending development. When the media got hold of this they were all over it. We only have 4 Drive Ins left in Oregon and we have plenty of strip malls. I thought the same tactics might fly. I'll thow in my 2 cents occasionaly ;-) Diesel Dave Portland __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38157	From: lynnshouse2000	Date: 1/11/2006
Subject: Sears "Hit or Miss" Set #1177

I recently acquired what I believe to be one of these sets from the original owner. Unfortunately none of the boxes were with the set. After comparing the cars and locomotive to the listing in the TM guide I have found a substitution. My set has the 807 D&RGW boxcar instead of the 803 ATSF boxcar. I understand that substitutions were quite common in many of the Flyer uncataloged sets. Has anyone else run across this particular one? It would be interesting to know how common this would be. Thanks for any insight. Lynn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38158	From: Dave Highfield	Date: 1/11/2006
Subject: A.C. Gilbert

There's an interesting article about A.C. Gilbert in the Portland Tribune, January 10. http://www.portlandtribune.com/archview.cgi?id=33352 Dave [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38159	From: Roy Inman	Date: 1/11/2006
Subject: Re: To Roy, Gary, & Dale re: Union Pacific

Dear DD, My post was not meant in any way to discourage someone from trying. By all means... One person really can make a difference, if h/she is the right person at the right time. In point of fact, it is usually just one person that really rivets attention. Ghandi, one frail brown man on a hunger strike, could bring the entire British Empire to its knees. Elvis Presley defined an era. Casey Jones' self-sacrificing action (and the resulting song) helped create the railroad legend. We all have heroes in our families who single-handedly kept things together. I would like nothing better than to see UP get its come-uppentence. I just don't know how to go about it... Roy Inman > From: Dave Ganslein <dieseldave72@...> > Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 10:28:11 -0800 (PST) > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] To Roy, Gary, & Dale re: Union Pacific > > Thanks for the reply guys, I used these media tactics > to help save the 99W Drive In theater in Newberg OR. > (www.99w.com) from light pollution created by > impending development. When the media got hold of this > they were all over it. We only have 4 Drive Ins left > in Oregon and we have plenty of strip malls. I thought > the same tactics might fly. > > I'll thow in my 2 cents occasionaly ;-) > > Diesel Dave > Portland > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38160	From: Roy Inman	Date: 1/11/2006
Subject: Re: Union Pacific

But Carl, they apparently care not for positive support. I think that most of us want to be liked, want to be accepted and not criticized. Witness what happens when someone on this list gets even a little inflammatory... But as a corporation, Union Pacific apparently doesn't care if we like it or not. There is only one bottom line, and that is profit, not popularity. I have heard more than one CEO reply, when asked about why such-and-such a tactic or method is not implemented: "Will it increase our gross?" And licensing UP's road names to model railroad companies will, albeit in the overall scheme of things, probably not by much. Making us feel friendly toward UP will not for sure. IMHO, Roy Inman > From: Carl Tuveson <carl@...> > Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 09:54:31 -0500 > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Union Pacific > > I have wondered why the UP has not realized that if the money from the Model > Railroad licensing was to support their Steam and Historical programs that > it would make it more palatable. At least put that spin on it. > > That campaign could have worked and even given them some positive support if > done correctly. > > Carl > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38161	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 1/11/2006
Subject: Re: Union Pacific

Roy, If that is the attitude of a corporation then it is pretty short sighted. Good PR has many immeasurable benefits as well as helping bottom line in the long run. Especially if it does not cost the UP anything to create illusion of public service like the spin on how the licensing would be used. A corporation that has a good public image helps keep the stock in a favorable light. If you care for your public image then it would seem that you would care for your stock holders and employees. Unfortunately the UP has a monopoly if you need to ship by rail to locations it serves, so you may be correct about their attitude. Sad though it is. Carl -----Original Message----- From: Roy Inman [mailto:rinphoto@...] Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 5:24 PM To: Carl Tuveson; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Union Pacific But Carl, they apparently care not for positive support. I think that most of us want to be liked, want to be accepted and not criticized. Witness what happens when someone on this list gets even a little inflammatory... But as a corporation, Union Pacific apparently doesn't care if we like it or not. There is only one bottom line, and that is profit, not popularity. I have heard more than one CEO reply, when asked about why such-and-such a tactic or method is not implemented: "Will it increase our gross?" And licensing UP's road names to model railroad companies will, albeit in the overall scheme of things, probably not by much. Making us feel friendly toward UP will not for sure. IMHO, Roy Inman > From: Carl Tuveson <carl@...> > Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 09:54:31 -0500 > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Union Pacific > > I have wondered why the UP has not realized that if the money from the Model > Railroad licensing was to support their Steam and Historical programs that > it would make it more palatable. At least put that spin on it. > > That campaign could have worked and even given them some positive support if > done correctly. > > Carl > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38162	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 1/11/2006
Subject: Re;solvent,paint,and glue

I agree that you must be careful with any chemicals, especially on vintage plastics. To put the window strips back in, try Walthers Goo. It is a rubber cement which can be used to glue just about anything to anything. I've used it for years with no problems. For cleaning you might try dishwashing liquid. Stuff like Goo Gone tend to be too harsh sometimes. With paint you have multiple problems. Latex is least harmful, but often doesn't adhere well. Acrylic model paints are best, non-model paints are usually too thick. Another paint problem is that you also have to find correct colors. I'm sure other, more experianced folks will also be posting their thoughts. Stumpy Stone...long time modeler from Martins Ferry, OH.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38163	From: osprey40@comcast.net	Date: 1/11/2006
Subject: Ace-Rusti

Hello Does anyone out there know the current owner of Ace & Rusti Models? Thank you Joe Wagner Jr. osprey40@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38164	From: Alex Sibbald	Date: 1/11/2006
Subject: 974

Hi all, I just received my new 974 boxcar and loading platform. It comes with 2 rather junky switches, one to load and one to unload. Did the original setup have a single button operation or was it a double button setup? Thanks alot, Alex Sibbald

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38165	From: RCESpeak	Date: 1/12/2006
Subject: Layout Update

Hi All, After nearly 8 months, I have updated my layout photos. The problem is I keep thinking if I wait one more week, I can have this or that in the update to the album. Well, I just bit the bullet, took some shots and posted them. As always, I welcome your input and feedback. Looking for an ingenious way to light the ferris wheel and merry go round. Any thoughts? I hope to also motorize them which will be so cool. New photos can be viewed at: http://s-scale.org/albums/albun20 Enjoy and CheerS.... Barb

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38166	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 1/12/2006
Subject: Re: Layout Update

Always nice to see your layout Barb! Is there a bit of HO track in the city? I think I see a hint of it in one photo. I don't remember seeing that... maybe begs for pictures of what it is doing? http://s-scale.org/albums/albun20/100_1049 Maybe a shot from the cut out access over by the yellow old time coaches? I just can't get enough of the Gilbert look... The way toy train layouts are suppose to look. Anyway, better get some work done so we can get around to our own Gilbert look'n layout! ;-) Blessings! Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38167	From: wpporter@duckburg.us	Date: 1/12/2006
Subject: Re: Layout Update

Hi Barb, Nice protos and respectable progress. I wish I was doing that much work on my trains. You might consider dabbing some Testor's PLA in flourescent colors and lighting them with a shielded, ultraviolet source. The tube should be low wattage and should not shine directly into the eyes of observers. I have seen the effect on other layouts and it is prett effective, especailly if the UV source can remain on when the room lights are dim or off. Amusement parks use UV for effects in some rides, so, it is probably less harmful that the ozone we produce with the little motors. Good Luck, Bill -- Bill Porter Loxahatchee, Florida > ... Looking for an > ingenious way to light the ferris wheel and merry go round. Any thoughts? > I hope to also motorize them which will be so cool. > > New photos can be viewed at: http://s-scale.org/albums/albun20 > > Enjoy and CheerS.... Barb >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38168	From: Gerald Dobbs	Date: 1/12/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2909

Mike: I think it is totally disgraceful what TCA did with the January 2006 National Headquarters News. I have been told that TCA has hired or would like to hire a manager ( for big bucks ) to write a mission statement for the club, because of the decline of membership, Doesn't any one realize that the membership is dyeing off, young people are not that interested in old toy trains, a few are interested in model building &/or scale, most young people are into X-boxes, war related games ( sick ) and they want it ALL NOW, they don't want to have build any thing. For us people that love old toys & trains, they were the cutting edge of technology at the time, because we received them at Christmas or birthdays or other special times. My personal belief is that in a few years we will be able to acquire a truck load of old trains very cheep, there are tons of old trains out there, just look on E-bay, and the prices are dropping. I have been involved with TCA since the 50's and believe it is a good organization, but they need to look at reality. Jerry 77-11644

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38169	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 1/12/2006
Subject: Re: K Line S Cars - Great Response 5 Left.

Thanks for the inquiries and purchases made, i still the following remaining: 013 Penn Sale Tank Car 016 Citgo Tank Car 024 Southern Pacific Caboose 026 Milwaukee Caboose 030 Searboard Airline Box Car. $9.50 plus $4.50 shipping ea. Thanks again Jerry Matsick

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38170	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 1/12/2006
Subject: Re;Digest number2909

Jerry makes a point about today's youth and the future of train collecting which I totally agree with. That TCA membership is declining should be no shock. All sorts of organizations who rely on the baby boom generation or their elders are going into decline. After all, none of us gets younger! That today's kids don't care about toy trains should be no shock either. Toys of our era are hopelessly out of date by today's standards. In addition to that, kids don't care to do anything with their hands unless it's on the computer. That collectable toy trains will drop in price is logical. After all, the price of collectable automobiles of the once in demand pre- WWII era are now going for alot less of what they brought just ten years ago. Meanwhile muscle cars of the sixties are getting premium prices. Most folks collect what they saw or had in their youth. As they pass on, the next generation collects what THEY saw or had in their youth, but care little for their parents' stuff. It's a "sliding scale" thing. Stumpy Stone...feeling old in Appalachia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38171	From: Jay E. Mellon	Date: 1/12/2006
Subject: Yes, Virginia, 'S'anta Does Exist

All, Well, having experienced some major loses to my home and train stuff due to the "Katrina" floods in New Orleans, I was faced with the "Xmas Without"...without any running S trains, that is. But, who came to the rescue? S-Helper Service, that's who. They included the long 15" straights in the S-Trax set, as well as extra cars in the standard set. How did they know that I LOVE the bulk end flats with lumber loads? I don't know, but there it was. I know there are competing manufacturers of S products that are high quality, but as far as service goes, SHS is second to none! Many of you already know this. So, a great big THANK YOU goes out to Robin, Don and Mike of SHS and to Richard and Pete of America's Train Yard (shop in Baton Rouge, LA) who helped broker the deal. 'S'incerely, Jay Mellon Stoneville, MS

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38172	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 1/12/2006
Subject: Blatant commercialism

Hello S Gaugers, I would like to announce a couple of new items and upgrades we’ve added to our current line of turnouts and trackwork products: First is the all new #5 turnout made from SHS #155 nickel-silver rail. This is the first of many new products we anticipate offering using the SHS rail. A #6 SHS rail turnout should be less than a week away. Next, for the passenger train enthusiast, is the #8 turnout, available in code 148 brass or NS rail. It will be made in SHS rail in the near future. This thing is a monster at 18 ¾” long. Of major note is the reinforcing added to the throwbar/closure rail joint. The brass tabs are formed to fit the rail base which makes these connections exceptionally strong and durable. If you have a chance, please visit our web page at: http://s-scale.org/albums/albun00 Thank you for your support and encouragement, Tom Stoltz Tom’s Turnouts & Trackwork Maine S Gaugers NASG [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38173	From: Art Shifrin	Date: 1/13/2006
Subject: Wanted by Shiffy for 'Frankentrain' experimentation

Hi Gang, I'd like to acquire a bunch? gaggle? pile? of bodies of the diecast metal flat cars used on the 627, 628, 635, 927, 928 etc. The condition of the paint, lettering, trucks, couplers, crane parts mean utterly nothing for my purposes (heh heh heh heh heh: I just need the car bodies, preferably with all 4 steps intact. So if you have any that you're willing to sell, then please contact me directly here at Ye Olde Choo Choo and Wax Werkes. I have to run now and release the kites from the tower..... Shiffy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38174	From: ham_45242	Date: 1/13/2006
Subject: #591 Crossing Gate Internals

Hello, all. Does anyone know the internal wiring of the Gilbert #591 crossing gate? It's the one with the 4 binding posts on the base and requires an isolated track block with a #707 terminal. I know how to hook up the #591 but was curious as to how it's wired inside. It would appear to have the equivalent of the #670 electric track trip (relay) that came with, but was external to, the later-issued #600 crossing gate. What's curious is that the immediate successor #592 crossing gate was intended to be operated from a #697 pressure trip. Interesing evolution. Gilbert (according to their catalog offerings) ended up with a manually-operated crossing gate (not nearly as good looking or detailed as the 591, 592, or 600 gates IMO.) Sincerely,

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38175	From: ham_45242	Date: 1/13/2006
Subject: Re: Transformer American Flyer by D. Dewey

Hello, from a new member. This is the transformer that was packed with AF train sets around 1957. It's fine when new but after a while the copper-on-copper adjustable contact will eat into and/or mash down the the wire on the secondary causing some of the turns to short out and the transformer to run very hot. Of course were talking about years of use but I would hesitate buying this type of transformer used (probably the most frequently offered type on e-bay). Sincerely,

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38176	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 1/13/2006
Subject: Re: Another Rainy Day Project - Lionel AF

Well probably will kill all 3 Rail O gaugers to hear this, but with all my LIONEL catalogs from 1983 to current date,I extracted all the AMERICAN FLYER pages and put each page into a clear plastic cover sheet and placed them into a binder and now have 80 plus pages of everything Lionel produced for American Flyer Fans. Upon complettion, I just recycled all that THREE RAIL Junk pages. Not being around or into the original Gilbert American Flyer, my "Collectors Bug" is into getting or collecting everything that LIONEL (my old blood type) produced for American Flyer Train Fans. I would think my 'Conversion' from O gauge to the best gauge is complete. S Guage the Best Gauge! I feel like a small boy back in the 50s looking at this NEW large AF catalog and dreaming but all my parents could afford was Marx from Monkey Wards Department store. Jerry

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38177	From: Gerald Dobbs	Date: 1/13/2006
Subject: Fw: Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 2909

Mike: I think it is totally disgraceful what TCA did with the January 2006 National Headquarters News. I have been told that TCA has hired or would like to hire a manager ( for big bucks ) to write a mission statement for the club, because of the decline of membership, Doesn't any one realize that the membership is dyeing off, young people are not that interested in old toy trains, a few are interested in model building &/or scale, most young people are into X-boxes, war related games ( sick ) and they want it ALL NOW, they don't want to have build any thing. For us people that love old toys & trains, they were the cutting edge of technology at the time, because we received them at Christmas or birthdays or other special times. My personal belief is that in a few years we will be able to acquire a truck load of old trains very cheep, there are tons of old trains out there, just look on E-bay, and the prices are dropping. I have been involved with TCA since the 50's and believe it is a good organization, but they need to look at reality. Jerry 77-11644

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38178	From: charlie and edith	Date: 1/13/2006
Subject: Electrical Question

Greetings! Am trying to power a 5 volt, 20ma, blinking LED. The light will blink on the 3 and 4.5 volt setting of the 300ma transformer I am using to power the ferris wheel and merry-go-round motors. As this transformer is on a rheostat to control their speed, I looked for another transformer. The resale shop had a whole box and I was found one rated at 3.7 volts, 350ma. The problem is that this one will light the light, but not cause it to blink. Could there be a problem with the transformer, the very amature electrican or ....? Your thoughts are greatly appreciated! Best wishes, Charlie [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38179	From: Roy Inman	Date: 1/13/2006
Subject: Re: Another Rainy Day Project - Lionel AF

OK Jerry, I see a commercial possibility here, albeit a small one perhaps. Go to a Kinko's or similar and get decent quality repros made of the pages and sell them to us as an unassembled catalog. The current color copiers do a pretty good job. We can find our own binder. Any office supply store, or probably Kinko's will sell them. I personally would love to have such a resource. If you can make a few bucks to help pay for your hobby, more power to you. Any others interested? And congratulations on your conversion to S :) Roy Inman > From: Jerry Matsick <jpmatsick@...> > Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 16:19:51 +0000 > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] re: Another Rainy Day Project - Lionel AF > > Well probably will kill all 3 Rail O gaugers to hear this, but with > all my LIONEL catalogs from 1983 to current date,I extracted all the > AMERICAN FLYER pages and put each page into a clear plastic cover > sheet and placed them into a binder and now have 80 plus pages of > everything Lionel produced for American Flyer Fans. Upon complettion, > I just recycled all that THREE RAIL Junk pages. Not being around or > into the original Gilbert American Flyer, my "Collectors Bug" is into > getting or collecting everything that LIONEL (my old blood type) > produced for American Flyer Train Fans. > > I would think my 'Conversion' from O gauge to the best gauge is > complete. S Guage the Best Gauge! > > I feel like a small boy back in the 50s looking at this NEW large AF > catalog and dreaming but all my parents could afford was Marx from > Monkey Wards Department store. > > Jerry > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38180	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 1/13/2006
Subject: Re: Bachman On30 Coach conversion to S !

Someone recently posted comment about doing this conversion, I have come across some cars at a really great price and want to know what was used to make the conversion? These "shorty" madison coaches will make a nice mountain railway look great I see that American Models has a great selection of passenger trucks which could be a possibility to use. Any help or comments appreciated. Jerry M re: That little Flyonel bird tells me Lionel may have some heavyweights in the future too!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38181	From: Art Shifrin	Date: 1/13/2006
Subject: Jan HQ news

Unless and until I manage to borrow a copy, I'll never know what was done to the TCA Quarterly News because a certain dummy (member 00-50968) frequently forgets to place incoming mail out of snout range of a certain Golden Retriever appropriately named Hudson. He's a fun loving rascal who cannot resist swiping stuff off of the counters or table in the kitchen. In this case, deducing from recent comments, shredding it up might have been an editorial critique. Satchmo and Spencer NEVER do such shenanigans. About layouts: mine is 23 x 8. You can see a schematic of it on my website, which is www.shifrin.net. The three outside lines are merely long ovals. Ah, but the inner most one is (to me) a very interesting array of almost all Gilbert O gauge (just a few pieces of modern O-72 & O-54 curves) with two opposing reversing loops. 3/16s is run only on this inner line. The others might at any time have running on them full size Chicago & Gilbert O, Lionel pre and post war, and modern era stuff. The outer most line is O-72 so that I can run my Weaver brass GG-1. Woof!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38182	From: Bill Porter	Date: 1/13/2006
Subject: Re: Electrical Question

Hi Charlie, You didn't mention the resistor value you are using to limit the current to the LED. Those rascals cannot be directly attached to a power supply with a resistor in series. Look out - math to follow..... A typical LED will produce a voltage drop of .6 or .7 volts with negligable resistance. So, with a 3 vdc power source, there are still 2.4 volts of potential. We need to limit the current to the 20 ma ( or .020 amp) specified. For that we need a resistor in series. Use the old Ohm's law to divide the remaining voltage (2.4) by the maximum current (.020) to get a resistor value of 120 ohms. Your LED assembly specifies 5 vdc, so, you may need a higher voltage power supply. If you use more volts, you will need more resistance in the limiting resistor. Here is a table based on either a .6 or .7 volt drop in the LED assembly. When in doubt, or to find a part as cheaply as possible, choose a resistor value a little bit higher than the one for .6. There are standard values avaiable at Radio Shack. Vdc .6 .7 3 120 115 4 170 165 5 220 215 6 270 265 7 320 315 8 370 365 9 420 415 10 470 465 11 520 515 12 570 565 For a 12 volt power supply, you would need a 570 ohm resistor. I found a 560 ohm part in a quick search of RS. That is probably good enough. A 680 ohm is the next step up and it would provide some safety. AC or DC makes not much difference at the frequencies we use. If anything, you can use a lower value resistor with AC since current will only flow half of the time. Resistors are cheap. You may want to experiment a little. On one of my old layouts, I used AC for the LEDS and kept track of how many were wired one way and the other. The plan was to keep the nmbers about even. If this last paragraph is unclear, don't worry about it unless you have a lot of lights. Good Luck, Bill Bill Porter Loxahatchee, FL -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of charlie and edith Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 11:31 AM To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Electrical Question Greetings! Am trying to power a 5 volt, 20ma, blinking LED. The light will blink on the 3 and 4.5 volt setting of the 300ma transformer I am using to power the ferris wheel and merry-go-round motors. As this transformer is on a rheostat to control their speed, I looked for another transformer. The resale shop had a whole box and I was found one rated at 3.7 volts, 350ma. The problem is that this one will light the light, but not cause it to blink. Could there be a problem with the transformer, the very amature electrican or ....? Your thoughts are greatly appreciated! Best wishes, Charlie

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38183	From: Robert Graves	Date: 1/13/2006
Subject: Christmas Cars page is online

My Christmas Cars page is online, including the 1995 #48016 Merry Christmas GP-20 engine (Picture courtesy of Jim Carnes). http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/Christmas_Cars.html Enjoy! Can anyone send me a picture of the 1992 #48314 Christmas boxcar out of the box? I'd appreciate it. --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos – Showcase holiday pictures in hardcover Photo Books. You design it and we’ll bind it! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38184	From: Roy Inman	Date: 1/13/2006
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] re: Another Rainy Day Project - LAF II

Hey folks, Is anyone besides me interested in having Jerry copy a set of the Lionel AF catalog pages as he describes below, for their own use? I think it would be a great resource for lots of us. He says he will consider it if there is enough interest. Yes, no, maybe? Roy Inman ---------- > From: Jerry Matsick <jpmatsick@...> > Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 16:19:51 +0000 > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] re: Another Rainy Day Project - Lionel AF > > I extracted all the > AMERICAN FLYER pages and put each page into a clear plastic cover > sheet and placed them into a binder and now have 80 plus pages of > everything Lionel produced for American Flyer Fans.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38185	From: manderman	Date: 1/13/2006
Subject: Re: Another Rainy Day Project - Lionel AF

Just a few things to consider regarding this catalog idea. First: I certainly see the possibility that many folks would be interested in this sort of thing, but you MUST BEAR IN MIND that Lionel's catalogs are copyrighted property of Lionel Corp. One really should get their permission to take on the idea of SELLING for profit (no matter how small) Lionel's property. They might think it is fine and actually a service to them...but you should have their permission. Sounds rather like the whole Union pacific debate. In fact it is really the same issue. Second: If one were going to produce such a document (with or without Lionel's blessing) it would be best to SCAN the pages and assemble them into a PDF document that could be downloaded rather than physically mailed or they could be sent out on CD. People could print there own or view them on their computers. This would be cheaper and probably less work for the person doing all the legwork. Third: I am personally interested in a copy...legal or otherwise...!!!! Mark Anderman I'm not a lawyer.. but I slept in a Holiday Inn last night... OK Jerry, I see a commercial possibility here, albeit a small one perhaps. Go to a Kinko's or similar and get decent quality repros made of the pages and sell them to us as an unassembled catalog. The current color copiers do a pretty good job. We can find our own binder. Any office supply store, or probably Kinko's will sell them. I personally would love to have such a resource. If you can make a few bucks to help pay for your hobby, more power to you. Any others interested? And congratulations on your conversion to S :) Roy Inman > From: Jerry Matsick <jpmatsick@...> > Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 16:19:51 +0000 > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] re: Another Rainy Day Project - >Lionel AF > > Well probably will kill all 3 Rail O gaugers to hear >this, but with > all my LIONEL catalogs from 1983 to current date,I >extracted all the > AMERICAN FLYER pages and put each page into a clear >plastic cover > sheet and placed them into a binder and now have 80 plus >pages of > everything Lionel produced for American Flyer Fans. Upon >complettion, > I just recycled all that THREE RAIL Junk pages. Not >being around or > into the original Gilbert American Flyer, my "Collectors >Bug" is into > getting or collecting everything that LIONEL (my old >blood type) > produced for American Flyer Train Fans. > > I would think my 'Conversion' from O gauge to the best >gauge is > complete. S Guage the Best Gauge! > > I feel like a small boy back in the 50s looking at this >NEW large AF > catalog and dreaming but all my parents could afford was >Marx from > Monkey Wards Department store. > > Jerry > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38186	From: Richard Clouse	Date: 1/13/2006
Subject: Re: FW: [S-Trains] re: Another Rainy Day Project - LAF II

I would sure be interested--But only if I can reimburse Jerry my fair share for the cost of the project. Roy Inman <rinphoto@...> wrote: Hey folks, Is anyone besides me interested in having Jerry copy a set of the Lionel AF catalog pages as he describes below, for their own use? I think it would be a great resource for lots of us. He says he will consider it if there is enough interest. Yes, no, maybe? Roy Inman ---------- > From: Jerry Matsick > Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 16:19:51 +0000 > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] re: Another Rainy Day Project - Lionel AF > > I extracted all the > AMERICAN FLYER pages and put each page into a clear plastic cover > sheet and placed them into a binder and now have 80 plus pages of > everything Lionel produced for American Flyer Fans. S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38187	From: keefer1	Date: 1/13/2006
Subject: k-line

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 38188	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/13/2006
Subject: Those 1 & 1-1/2 transformers

It has been suggested that these transformers are subjected to shorting arcoss due to the copper wiper on copper windings.While this is true, many of them can last a long time still. I have many still usable that I use. It is an easy transformer to inspect. First inspection is to smell the outside--if it smells burnt, it probably is! On the plastic cased units, two screws provide access to the interior. The coil rests on ridges inside the plastic body, and a piece of fishpaper seperates the coil laminations from the three post connections. Tip the coil out from the back, or curved side of the case. You can now see the wiper, and the windings where the wiper rubs over them. Using a dry toothbrush, clean the area, and inspect the depth of the rubbing. I'm not certain when the wear becomes a problem, but a small amount of wear would indicate a transformer that can provide power for a while. Also inspect the wiper for wear, or even sharp edges that might be digging into the windings (this would be from being bent by ???). When putting the coil back into the case, pay attention to the routing of the connecting wires, so they aren't pinched nor are fouling the wiper's sweep. Take care when putting the screws back in that they "fall" into the threads cut into the case. They should go in easily. Do not attempt the above if you are unfamiliar with household wiring voltages! And, um, I shouldn' t have to say this, but don't do it with the transformer plugged in! S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38189	From: Roy Inman	Date: 1/13/2006
Subject: Re: Another Rainy Day Project - Lionel AF

Copyright point well-taken. But even in the case of the Union Pacific, they don't bother with the micro-manufacturers, and say so. Costs more in paperwork than it is worth, apparently. I can't imagine that such a project would net Jerry more than a week's worth of lunches at McDonalds, assuming he can stomach their food :) How about the person on the list who painstakingly scanned in all of the old AF catalogs and made them available on a web site for all of us to see, and perhaps to download, and further, to download, print out and sell? Lionel now owns the AF name, the Gilbert name and the Flyer/Gilbert logos. Technically speaking, he could perhaps be held liable for unauthorized use of those brand names, I would guess. Tell me if I'm wrong, but to my knowledge, that person has not heard anything from big L. At least he hasn't said anything about it on this list. And the current Lionel catalogs are always available online to anyone. Charles Ro shows it, the various Lionel operators and collectors organizations post them. What's to stop anyone from downloading, printing out and selling copies? Nothing, and therein lies the dilemma regarding copyright and the internet: it is very, very difficult indeed to keep control of one's intellectual property, which the catalog, logos, etc., are. My best, non-attorney guess is that even if Lionel knew of the project, they would take no action. I leave it up to Jerry to determine if he feels it is an ethical action. But if Lionel doesn't care, why should any of us? Roy Inman > From: manderman <Manderman@...> > Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 18:30:55 -0500 > To: Roy Inman <rinphoto@...>, Jerry Matsick <jpmatsick@...>, > S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] re: Another Rainy Day Project - Lionel AF > > Just a few things to consider regarding this catalog idea. > > First: > > I certainly see the possibility that many folks would be > interested in this sort of thing, but you MUST BEAR IN > MIND that Lionel's catalogs are copyrighted property of > Lionel Corp. One really should get their permission to > take on the idea of SELLING for profit (no matter how > small) Lionel's property. They might think it is fine and > actually a service to them...but you should have their > permission. Sounds rather like the whole Union pacific > debate. In fact it is really the same issue. > > Second: > > If one were going to produce such a document (with or > without Lionel's blessing) it would be best to SCAN the > pages and assemble them into a PDF document that could be > downloaded rather than physically mailed or they could be > sent out on CD. People could print there own or view them > on their computers. This would be cheaper and probably > less work for the person doing all the legwork. > > Third: > > I am personally interested in a copy...legal or > otherwise...!!!! > > > Mark Anderman > > I'm not a lawyer.. but I slept in a Holiday Inn last > night... > > > > > > > > > OK Jerry, > I see a commercial possibility here, albeit a small one > perhaps. > Go to a Kinko's or similar and get decent quality repros > made of the pages > and sell them to us as an unassembled catalog. The > current color copiers do > a pretty good job. We can find our own binder. Any > office > supply store, or > probably Kinko's will sell them. I personally would love > to have such a > resource. If you can make a few bucks to help pay for > your hobby, more power > to you. > Any others interested? > And congratulations on your conversion to S :) > Roy Inman > >> From: Jerry Matsick <jpmatsick@...> >> Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 16:19:51 +0000 >> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com >> Subject: [S-Trains] re: Another Rainy Day Project - >> Lionel AF >> >> Well probably will kill all 3 Rail O gaugers to hear >> this, but with >> all my LIONEL catalogs from 1983 to current date,I >> extracted all the >> AMERICAN FLYER pages and put each page into a clear >> plastic cover >> sheet and placed them into a binder and now have 80 plus >> pages of >> everything Lionel produced for American Flyer Fans. Upon >> complettion, >> I just recycled all that THREE RAIL Junk pages. Not >> being around or >> into the original Gilbert American Flyer, my "Collectors >> Bug" is into >> getting or collecting everything that LIONEL (my old >> blood type) >> produced for American Flyer Train Fans. >> >> I would think my 'Conversion' from O gauge to the best >> gauge is >> complete. S Guage the Best Gauge! >> >> I feel like a small boy back in the 50s looking at this >> NEW large AF >> catalog and dreaming but all my parents could afford was >> Marx from >> Monkey Wards Department store. >> >> Jerry >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com >> All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! >> >> Enjoy thousands of great photos >> at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail >> Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38190	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/14/2006
Subject: Rainy Day project & Transformers

I'd like a copy! CD or print. My note on transformers didn't adequately explain the shorting bit. As the throttle wiper rubs accross the windings, it rubs bits of copper off the windings which can lodge themselves in the grooves betweeen the windings, and if the insulating enamel is also rubbed off, can cause the adjacent windings to be shorted together. One or two probably wouldn't be noticed, but as more of them short, the transformer overheats, eventually it will get warm enough to melt the insulating enamel and then the whole thing shorts out. It is always a good idea to check your transfomers for overheating, just feel the case, if it's getting hot, turn off things and let them cool down. Another help is to not overload the transformer by putting too many things on it. I think the AF manual actually talks about this. BTW, this overheating is what fries AF diesel armatures too. Overheating can be caused by worn out axle bearings, at least it is agrevated by them. One of the poblems with those armatures is the type of insulating enamel used; different kinds of enamel melt at different temperatures--most are designed to melt at soldering temperatures for the ease of making connections. There are aerospace versions that resist heat so high that one has to physically remove the "enamel" in order to solder the wire. (technically these aren't enamels, but coatings of exotic plastics). Hmm, this is getting more confusing, and I have to go to work. . . S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38191	From: Jon Marinello	Date: 1/14/2006
Subject: Selling Diesel Horn on Ebay - Item number: 6029671228

Selling a nice diesel horn on ebay with a new button from Port Lines Hobbies. $9.95. Check it out at: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6029671228 Item number: 6029671228 Thanks, --jon

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38192	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 1/14/2006
Subject: Sunday Chat, 1/15/2006, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 38193	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 1/14/2006
Subject: Re: Selling Diesel Horn on Ebay - Item number: 6029671228

We don't know how others feel but we won't buy from ebay sellers that won't accept our business check. If we have to leave our work places and go get a money order or bank check, why bother. We trust everyone in the American Flyer world and we expect them to trust us. This is of course just MHO. Steve SnS Trains Boise [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38194	From: alguckes2001	Date: 1/14/2006
Subject: Some S scale items for sale

I have a few S scale items for sale (e.g. Showcase cars, 1 American Models loco.) I gave scale a try, but decided to stay in O gauge so I can run some old Lionel. I also like the selection of traction in O scale. At any rate if you are interested email off list me and I will send you a list. The items are all new or like new. Incidentally, I do think S scale is the perfect size for indoor model railroads. Al

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38195	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 1/15/2006
Subject: Re: Another Rainy Day Project - Lionel AF

I would point out that catalogs of the A.C Gilbert company, a liquidated company, and catalogs of L, a company still in existence, are two different things and I would not consider selling any reprinted catalog pages from any L catalog. It is not an accident that this content is missing from my website. Also, L appears to get real upset when you use one of their trademarks for profit purposes, as evidenced when one list member got a letter after selling a few t-shirts. L did not take over the A.C Gilbert company. They bought portions of it in bankruptcy, and trademarked AF, Gilbert Hall of Science, etc. They have proven that they will defend their trademarks whenever they see any for profit use of them, and who can blame them for that.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38196	From: Gerald Dobbs	Date: 1/15/2006
Subject: On30 cars

Jerry: I converted several C & S passenger cars, and 1 Great Northern. I split the truck added a strip of plastic, added K-line wheels, and added two more lights to each cars, changer the coupler to S gauge KD's. Other I have talked to change out the entire truck, but the truck is prototypical and is very detailed, I wanted to use them.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38197	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 1/15/2006
Subject: Re: k-line

From a shop owner friend, as of a week ago, K-Line is now out of bussiness. Anyone else heard this? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38198	From: TWesthelle@aol.com	Date: 1/15/2006
Subject: Re: Selling Diesel Horn on Ebay - Item number: 6029671228

I, for one, am against this list being used for advertisement purpose to steer members to EBay to view ones auctions. If a member wishes to sell an item to a list member, i.e., describing the item and asking for interest to sell outright, is one thing, but refer us to their auction to drive up its pricing is not what I wish to open my S-Train mail to view. My Humble Opinion, Tom Westhelle Oviedo, FL [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38199	From: BENJAMIN PERRY	Date: 1/15/2006
Subject: Re: Another Rainy Day Project - Lionel AF

"and who can blame them for that?" Apparently quite a few in this group judging by the many posts criticizing both Lionel and the Union Pacific for protecting their trademarks. Lionel did resurrect the American Flyer line. Its not perfect, BUT THEY DID RESURRECT IT. Union Pacific is the last of the major carriers to have a steam program and to operate vintage and classic equipment but this does not seem to be appreciated by many in this group. Ben Perry -----Original Message----- From: Chuck Harrington Sent: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 07:30:47 -0800 To: s-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] re: Another Rainy Day Project - Lionel AF I would point out that catalogs of the A.C Gilbert company, a liquidated company, and catalogs of L, a company still in existence, are two different things and I would not consider selling any reprinted catalog pages from any L catalog. It is not an accident that this content is missing from my website. Also, L appears to get real upset when you use one of their trademarks for profit purposes, as evidenced when one list member got a letter after selling a few t-shirts. L did not take over the A.C Gilbert company. They bought portions of it in bankruptcy, and trademarked AF, Gilbert Hall of Science, etc. They have proven that they will defend their trademarks whenever they see any for profit use of them, and who can blame them for that. S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38200	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 1/15/2006
Subject: Re: Another Rainy Day Project - Lionel AF

Chuck re: Photo copy of "Lione" l American Flyer catalog sheets You are the man of the hour, I believe you are correct! I want to enjoy my trains for a few more years yet. Anyway, anyone interested in a copy just contact me off the goup and will see what I can do. Jerry M Chuck Harrington <myflyertrains@...> wrote: I would point out that catalogs of the A.C Gilbert company, a liquidated company, and catalogs of L, a company still in existence, are two different things and I would not consider selling any reprinted catalog pages from any L catalog. It is not an accident that this content is missing from my website. Also, L appears to get real upset when you use one of their trademarks for profit purposes, as evidenced when one list member got a letter after selling a few t-shirts. L did not take over the A.C Gilbert company. They bought portions of it in bankruptcy, and trademarked AF, Gilbert Hall of Science, etc. They have proven that they will defend their trademarks whenever they see any for profit use of them, and who can blame them for that. S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links Jerry Matsick RESPOND TO Mtoytrain@... Jacksonville, Florida TCA 04-57715 NASG --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos Got holiday prints? See all the ways to get quality prints in your hands ASAP. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38201	From: Ironhorse	Date: 1/15/2006
Subject: Re: Department 56

ken garber wrote: >I heard a long time ago that Department 56 structures are 1:64th. > >Is this fact? > > Very close to it. They varie a bit. Measure the height of the doors. If they are approx. 1 1/4 " tall then consider it "S" gauge. They look very good with "S" gauge trains. Some of the victoria village items (wal-mart at christmas time) are also close to "S" . I am going to use them at christmas. For the scale guys these village items are good to use untill you get scale structures. Some of these villages have great detail on them. Roger Swing and Sway the "S" gauge way. >I'm thinking about setting up a static train display - using an AF steam >loco and one or two passenger cars - in a old town scene for my >sister-in-law for next Christmas. > > > . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38202	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 1/15/2006
Subject: S-Trains: eBay and selling etiquette

Hi All, Over the years there have been tons of listings on S-Trains regarding eBay. Some got rather heated. Some members swear by it - some swear at it. After one long discussion the group consensus was: If you want to discuss anything related to eBay, put the word "eBay" in the subject line. That way any group member that didn't want to read about eBay related items could simply ignore that posting. This seems a simple solution to me. Before another big battle erupts, maybe we should have the same etiquette concerning selling items - just put "For Sale" in the subject line. Then anyone who objects to selling can simply ignore those postings also. That's my two cents worth! BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38203	From: Ironhorse	Date: 1/15/2006
Subject: Re: k-line

HOwingsiii@... wrote: >>From a shop owner friend, as of a week ago, K-Line is now out of bussiness. >Anyone else heard this? > > I don't think they are completely closed up. I heard they are trying to resolve an issue so they can stay in business. Check their website for more info. http://www.kline.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38204	From: FEZANDPAZ@aol.com	Date: 1/15/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2909

I just got around to reading the January issue of the National Headquarters News and I Can't figure out what was " Totally disgraceful" ! I thought it was well done and very interesting as usual. I really didn't notice anything to be that different. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38205	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 1/15/2006
Subject: Re: Another Rainy Day Project - Lionel AF

From: Chuck Harrington >>>>>They have proven that they will defend their trademarks whenever they see any for profit use of them, and who can blame them for that.<<<<< Chuck as I understand it a company is required to protect a trademark when they are aware of a "for profit" use. Otherwise they will lose the trademark. In today's litigious society one must defend or someone will take it away from you. I don't want to represent Lionel or UP as being pure, but if you don't protect, it becomes public domain or generic. Mark

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38206	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 1/15/2006
Subject: Re: k-line

On Jan 15, 2006, at 12:34 PM, Ironhorse wrote: > HOwingsiii@... wrote: > >>> From a shop owner friend, as of a week ago, K-Line is now out >>> of bussiness. >> Anyone else heard this? >> >> > I don't think they are completely closed up. I heard they are trying > to resolve an issue so they can stay in business. Check their website > for more info. http://www.kline.com > I think you have the wrong address. This is a shipping Co. Thank you Larry Jackman ljack70117@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38207	From: tedcanflyer	Date: 1/15/2006
Subject: Trains near Palm Springs CA???

Hello fellow S gaugers. I will be in Palm Springs CA. shortly [lucky guy!] and was wondering if anybody knows of a train store/hobby shop or train display friendly to "S" in the area... Thanks for any info and for all the friendly advise and help I have received in the short time I have been a [full-fledged] member of this group... Ted

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38208	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 1/15/2006
Subject: Re: Another Rainy Day Project - Lionel AF

On Jan 15, 2006, at 2:35 PM, Mark Kiner wrote: > From: Chuck Harrington > >>>>>> They have proven that they will defend their trademarks >>>>>> whenever they > see any for profit use of them, and who can blame them for that.<<<<< > > > > Chuck as I understand it a company is required to protect a > trademark when > they are aware of a "for profit" use. Otherwise they will lose the > trademark. > > In today's litigious society one must defend or someone will take > it away > from you. > > I don't want to represent Lionel or UP as being pure, but if you don't > protect, it becomes public domain or generic. > > Mark The UPRR and all other RRs are already public domain. They have not protected they name and logos for the last 60 years. Thank you Larry Jackman ljack70117@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38209	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 1/15/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2909

As for the News....... where are all the items for sale???? Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: <FEZANDPAZ@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 2:30 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 2909 >I just got around to reading the January issue of the National Headquarters > News and I Can't figure out what was " Totally disgraceful" ! I thought it > was > well done and very interesting as usual. I really didn't notice anything > to > be that different. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38210	From: jhwysopal	Date: 1/15/2006
Subject: "Modern day" steam engines

Read this article about steam engines and trains still running in Saudi Arabia. Some photos, interesting article. Here is the link: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/from_our_own_correspondent/460945 0.stm

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38211	From: Roy Inman	Date: 1/15/2006
Subject: Re: Another Rainy Day Project - Lionel AF

But in the case of the aforementioned catalogs, Lionel has watched the sale of their catalogs at retail in hobby shops and at stores that sell toy trains, without receiving any royalties. AT most HS and at most train shows, catalogs are given away. The retailer gets them for free. Yet some retailers turn around and sell them, at profit. The retailer doesn't reimburse Lionel, since they never paid anything for the catalogs in the first place. What is the difference between someone copying old catalogs and selling them to us? Could not any of us do the same thing with catalogs of any vintage? Catalogs of any products are intended to have the widest possible circulation. So evidently, Lionel must figure that it is more important to get the catalogs in the hands of potential customers than it is to strictly enforce the copyright code, in this instance at least. I strongly believe in defending one's intellectual property, for sure. But in a practical sense, it is the workable implementation of a law that is significant, not just the letter of the law. Roy Inman > From: Mark Kiner <AF336@...> > Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 13:35:48 -0600 > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] re: Another Rainy Day Project - Lionel AF > > From: Chuck Harrington > >>>>>> They have proven that they will defend their trademarks whenever they > see any for profit use of them, and who can blame them for that.<<<<< > > > > Chuck as I understand it a company is required to protect a trademark when > they are aware of a "for profit" use. Otherwise they will lose the > trademark. > > In today's litigious society one must defend or someone will take it away > from you. > > I don't want to represent Lionel or UP as being pure, but if you don't > protect, it becomes public domain or generic. > > Mark > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38212	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 1/15/2006
Subject: Re: Another Rainy Day Project - Lionel AF

> > The UPRR and all other RRs are already public domain. They have not > protected they name and logos for the last 60 years. > Thank you > Larry Jackman > ljack70117@... > Larry, I just did a search at the US trademark database and found they list a number of "live" and "dead" tradmarks for Union Pacific. http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=doc&state=7ugo0l.3.191 The link above is to the shield logo. If they are live as of today I don't believe that qualifies as public domain. Thank You Mark Kiner

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38213	From: keefer1	Date: 1/15/2006
Subject: SUBJECT LINE

Bullgator typed "If you want to discuss anything related to eBay, put the word "eBay" in the subject line. That way any group member that didn't want to read about eBay related items could simply ignore that posting. This seems a simple solution to me." I totally agree with this, but would expand some. The subject line should accuratelly describe the context of any message posted. I'm tired of hearing about the UP situation, and always delete these messages. Keith __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38214	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 1/15/2006
Subject: Sunday Chat, 1/15/2006, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 38215	From: keefer1	Date: 1/15/2006
Subject: lionel catalogs.

The biggest argument would be, they give them away to promote the sales of their current production. Selling old catalogs does nothing to promote their current production , or profit lionel. --- Roy Inman <rinphoto@...> wrote: > But in the case of the aforementioned catalogs, > Lionel has watched the sale > of their catalogs at retail in hobby shops and at > stores that sell toy > trains, without receiving any royalties. AT most HS > and at most train shows, > catalogs are given away. The retailer gets them for > free. Yet some retailers > turn around and sell them, at profit. The retailer > doesn't reimburse Lionel, > since they never paid anything for the catalogs in > the first place. What is > the difference between someone copying old catalogs > and selling them to us? > Could not any of us do the same thing with catalogs > of any vintage? > Catalogs of any products are intended to have the > widest possible > circulation. So evidently, Lionel must figure that > it is more important to > get the catalogs in the hands of potential customers > than it is to strictly > enforce the copyright code, in this instance at > least. I strongly believe in > defending one's intellectual property, for sure. But > in a practical sense, > it is the workable implementation of a law that is > significant, not just the > letter of the law. > Roy Inman > > > From: Mark Kiner <AF336@...> > > Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 13:35:48 -0600 > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] re: Another Rainy Day > Project - Lionel AF > > > > From: Chuck Harrington > > > >>>>>> They have proven that they will defend their > trademarks whenever they > > see any for profit use of them, and who can blame > them for that.<<<<< > > > > > > > > Chuck as I understand it a company is required to > protect a trademark when > > they are aware of a "for profit" use. Otherwise > they will lose the > > trademark. > > > > In today's litigious society one must defend or > someone will take it away > > from you. > > > > I don't want to represent Lionel or UP as being > pure, but if you don't > > protect, it becomes public domain or generic. > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38216	From: Ironhorse	Date: 1/15/2006
Subject: Re: k-line

Try http://www.K-linetrains.com this should work.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38217	From: John & Maria Harvey	Date: 1/15/2006
Subject: K Line Trains

This site may shed some light on what is happening to K Line: http://www.lots-trains.org/html/lionel_settles_with_k-line.html Somehow I don't think S Gauge has a future there! Thanks, John Harvey

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38218	From: Alex Sibbald	Date: 1/16/2006
Subject: Lionel

Hi all, I just got my new 770 Flyonel loading platform and 974 action boxcar. Forget using the installation instructions included for setting up the boxcar. Lionel depicts the transformer as one with 2 terminals and they send base post voltage to the control rail interrupted by a momentary switch. How the boxcar actually gets voltage is apparently a mystery to the tech writer. I guess that is why Lionel doesn't make track for AF, they don't understand 2 rail technology. If you are trying to hook up one of these, add a fixed voltage terminal to the xfmr picture on page 2 and move the switch connection to it. By the way, if you install the platform on the opposite side of the tracks, move the metal wheels to the base post track. Alex

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38219	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 1/16/2006
Subject: Re: S-Scale Modeling Re: Brass cabooses

In a message dated 1/16/2006 11:54:43 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, rinphoto@... writes: there are more S manufactures than On30 manufacturers for example. While that is true, the ON30 guys have the advertizing bucks available to them and ON30 is part of their line, for the most part. S on the other hand stands alone. Every portable layout I have been involved in has been "S", the public loves the trains and the details. Buys something else, if they buy at all. The Allentown Toys for Tots organization had 17 layouts set up this yr in donated space, NO "S". Scottish Rite Temple in Reading had multiple layouts, NO "S". Allentown Train Meet Associates (ATMA) normally have at least one "S" layout at their Feb show, Feb 25 & 26. May be an "S" layout at East Coast Hobby Show March 11 & 12. Jim "two rails thru Paradise" Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38220	From: Roy Inman	Date: 1/16/2006
Subject: Re: Lionel

Alex, Thanks very much for sharing this pretty darn critical information ! It does sound like Lionel. I was about to hook it up, so your post came just in time for me. Cheers :) Roy Inman > From: Alex Sibbald <innotron@...> > Organization: innotronics > Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 02:00:07 -0800 > To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [S-Trains] Lionel > > Hi all, > I just got my new 770 Flyonel loading platform and 974 action boxcar. > Forget using the installation instructions included for setting up the > boxcar. Lionel depicts the transformer as one with 2 terminals and they > send base post voltage to the control rail interrupted by a momentary > switch. How the boxcar actually gets voltage is apparently a mystery to > the tech writer. I guess that is why Lionel doesn't make track for AF, > they don't understand 2 rail technology. If you are trying to hook up > one of these, add a fixed voltage terminal to the xfmr picture on page 2 > and move the switch connection to it. By the way, if you install the > platform on the opposite side of the tracks, move the metal wheels to > the base post track. > Alex > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38221	From: Gerald Dobbs	Date: 1/16/2006
Subject: Re: TCA dues

TCA is trying to balance it's budget. By eliminating one issue and dropping the "For Sale" in one issue. BECAUSE, of only 5% vote of a few TCA members against raising dues it was voted down. EVERY thing has gone up in cost including TCA expenses. Every TCA member has several hundred dollars worth of trains in there collection, A $5.00 a year rise in dues to support your club is not going to be a hard ship on anyone. My group, The Rocky Mountain Division is very active. 3 large 2 day shows with 100 to 200 tables with $10. table rent + banquets a year. Several ( 10 + ) shows per year with our train modules invited. Several 2 day auctions per year, run by TCA volunteers members only, for TCA members only, which include auctions for widows ( and hubby's, as RMDTCA has many lady operators and collectors ) to dispose of there spouse's collection. Monthly meetings include door prizes train video check out, kids club, Open house tours, pot lucks, + lots of other actives and this takes money. SUPPORT YOUR CLUB . VOTE YES or NO But vote. Don't let 5% of the membership control your club. >I just got around to reading the January issue of the National Headquarters > News and I Can't figure out what was " Totally disgraceful" ! I thought it > was > well done and very interesting as usual. I really didn't notice anything > to > be that different. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38222	From: WEG138@aol.com	Date: 1/16/2006
Subject: Re: June's small world

I've come into possession of two 1/64 figures from "June's Small World". They are packaged, but old. Does anyone know if June's Small World is still in business? Thanks! Bill Greaves [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38223	From: muniman18	Date: 1/16/2006
Subject: dumb question #10

i have a 1949 302 ac that I've taken apart to fix"getting brave" you gotta learn . there is no boiler clip don't think there ever was one how does the boiler go back on .Just to put it back only to have it fall out is not the way any help as always will be listen to mike

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38224	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 1/16/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2914

HOwingsiii@... wote: <<Subject: Re: k-line << <<From a shop owner friend, as of a week ago, K-Line is now out of bussiness. <<Anyone else heard this? Not true, but close. They are still open for business and being encouraged to sell from the warehouse. However, no new merchandise is arriving. They expected a decision would be made by the middle of this month, but it now looks like they will continue for at least several more weeks while decisions are made. Joe

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38225	From: Robert Graves	Date: 1/16/2006
Subject: Re: Christmas Cars page is online

I assume so, but don't know for sure. Can anyone else in the group shed some light on this? jim Light <hrshykss50@...> wrote: why is the 1999 so short didnt they make many of this year Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> wrote: My Christmas Cars page is online, including the 1995 #48016 Merry Christmas GP-20 engine (Picture courtesy of Jim Carnes). http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/Christmas_Cars.html Enjoy! Can anyone send me a picture of the 1992 #48314 Christmas boxcar out of the box? I'd appreciate it. --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos – Showcase holiday pictures in hardcover Photo Books. You design it and we’ll bind it! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos – Showcase holiday pictures in hardcover Photo Books. You design it and we’ll bind it! --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos Got holiday prints? See all the ways to get quality prints in your hands ASAP. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38226	From: muniman18	Date: 1/16/2006
Subject: 302

I have to do a very humble mea culpa the engine is a 300ac not a 302 I'm very sorry will never do that again mike

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38227	From: Robert A Persing	Date: 1/16/2006
Subject: Re: Christmas Cars page is online

There was a short run of these and I know of a case that was damaged in shippment to our local shop and he could not get them replaced. Bob Persing ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Graves" <theupstairstrain@...> To: "jim Light" <hrshykss50@...>; "s-trains list" <s-trains@...> Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 7:46 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Christmas Cars page is online I assume so, but don't know for sure. Can anyone else in the group shed some light on this? jim Light <hrshykss50@...> wrote: why is the 1999 so short didnt they make many of this year Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> wrote: My Christmas Cars page is online, including the 1995 #48016 Merry Christmas GP-20 engine (Picture courtesy of Jim Carnes). http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/Christmas_Cars.html Enjoy! Can anyone send me a picture of the 1992 #48314 Christmas boxcar out of the box? I'd appreciate it. --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos - Showcase holiday pictures in hardcover Photo Books. You design it and we'll bind it! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos - Showcase holiday pictures in hardcover Photo Books. You design it and we'll bind it! --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos Got holiday prints? See all the ways to get quality prints in your hands ASAP. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38228	From: Phil K	Date: 1/16/2006
Subject: Interesting hobby shop viewpont

From today's Chicago Sun-Times letters to the editor: HOBBY SHOPS FAR FROM DYING I have come across several articles of late about hobby shops closing after decades in business. Most of them have quotes from the owners saying things like ''All kids want today are video games'' or ''my customers are growing older and older and I just can't make it anymore.'' There are many more hobby shops that have adapted to what today's customers are looking for and are doing fine. Walk into any good hobby shop and you'll find radio-controlled cars capable of 60 mph or better, model trains with built-in sound effects and remote control, radio-controlled electric airplanes and helicopters that you can pull out of your trunk on the way home from work and fly in a schoolyard, even prepainted models you can build in a fraction of the time. You can still find models you build piece by piece into works of art, but most people want to buy it, and use it right away. Hobby shops have come into the 21st century with products that are fun, reliable and easy to use. Our customers come in all ages, races and backgrounds. Stop into your local hobby shop sometime and you'll be amazed. We didn't sit back and watch technology pass us by -- we're on the cutting edge. Don Hendrick, president, National Retail Hobby Stores Association

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38229	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 1/17/2006
Subject: Re: S-trains and York 2006

Interested in S-train get togethers and S-train meetings at York for the Eastern Divsion Meet in April? Have any meetings and locations been set yet/ Jerry Matsick

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38230	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 1/17/2006
Subject: Re: Gilbert and Lionel - AF Trains

I am really into the American Flyer train history and need some help. What was the actual final year of production for Gilbert Flyer? And what was the first year that Lionel produced Flyer (1984?). Was the quality of Gilbert American Flyer HO as good as the S Gauge? Jerry Matsick

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38231	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 1/17/2006
Subject: Re: Replacing AF plastic wheels

I am basically an operator, and I know to some of my dedicated and loyal American Flyer collector friends this sounds like treason, but can the "Plastic" wheels of Gilbert and or Lionel Flyer cars be replaced with insulated steel wheels and maintain the original trucks? Jerry Matsick

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38232	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 1/17/2006
Subject: Re: S-trains and York 2006

BARB will come up with the list..... BOB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Matsick" <jpmatsick@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 7:38 AM Subject: [S-Trains] re: S-trains and York 2006 > Interested in S-train get togethers and S-train meetings at York for > the Eastern Divsion Meet in April? Have any meetings and locations > been set yet/ > > Jerry Matsick > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38233	From: Mark Preman	Date: 1/17/2006
Subject: Train Show this weekend in Deland, Florida

In case you are in the area................... Train show this coming Saturday at the Volusia County Fairgrounds - 9am to 4pm. Mark Mark B. Preman AmericanFlyerTrains.com --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38234	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 1/17/2006
Subject: Re: Replacing AF plastic wheels

I bought som (actually a lot) of cars...... most of the wheel sets were changed to heavy metal AF ones for more weight...... they run nice...... I also got the regular wheel sets to go with them...... So yes they can be replaced...... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Matsick" <jpmatsick@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 7:35 AM Subject: [S-Trains] re: Replacing AF plastic wheels >I am basically an operator, and I know to some of my dedicated and > loyal American Flyer collector friends this sounds like treason, but > can the "Plastic" wheels of Gilbert and or Lionel Flyer cars be > replaced with insulated steel wheels and maintain the original trucks? > > Jerry Matsick > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38235	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 1/17/2006
Subject: Re: Replacing AF plastic wheels

I was told they were the wheel sets for the handcars, etc...as one side is insulated.. and being a repair station at the time he had, or ordered lots very cheaply...... someday guess I will have extras...... My BAR car in the Kleerpackbox has them....... need to switch out someday..... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Lueck" <pianoman@...> To: "ROBERT ALLEN CONNER" <rcon7@...>; <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 10:35 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] re: Replacing AF plastic wheels > On Tue, 17 Jan 2006 09:14:37 -0500, ROBERT ALLEN CONNER wrote: > >>most of the wheel sets were >>changed to heavy metal AF ones for more weight...... they run nice > > OK, so next logical question... who sells them? How much? > > What about cars with electrical connections? I assume AF wheels must be > maintained as you need the metal wheel (one) and the metal shaft to make > the > electrical connection. > > I assume this topic is about the comment that the plastic wheels on AF > cars "is > what makes the track dirty" or something along that line... jah? > > Four more switches and track for our layout is all cleaned up, then time > for > assembly... woohoo!!! (Saving a spare 4 for when we have a camera to show > how > this rehab work is done.) > > Thanks! > Michael >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38236	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 1/17/2006
Subject: plastic wheels

Hi Jerry, This will probably be about the tenth letter you'll receive concerning replacing wheels. But, yes you can replace them without damaging the original trucks. SHS makes the metal wheel sets which are insulated; all you have to do is trade them out. The metal wheels improve roll ability a bit. More importantly, the metal help keep you rails clean. Doug Peck sells brass eyelets that you can insert into the axle hole in the truck to make brass bearings. This also helps roll ability-and with Flyer, every little bit helps. Tom Stoltz Tom's Turnouts & Trackwork Maine S Gaugers NASG [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38237	From: Doug Peck	Date: 1/17/2006
Subject: Re: Replacing AF plastic wheels

Jerry, et al--- Yes...In fact SHS has produced metal wheelsets for exactly this purpose....(different from the wheelseta used in their own trucks). << Subject: re: Replacing AF plastic wheels can the "Plastic" wheels of Gilbert and or Lionel Flyer cars be replaced with insulated steel wheels and maintain the original trucks? >> Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours: Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, & Saturdays--- 2-5 PM (EST) 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: www.portlines.com <http://www.portlines.com> E-mail: doug@... <mailto:doug@...> VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38238	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/17/2006
Subject: That 2006 Catalog

Hmm, last night the site said, "NEW, Click Here" but the link was "forbidden." now it says, "countdown to the new catalog" and shows 8 hours + left. Sooo, I would say their announcement should have said 12:00AM Jan. 18th! (the 17th ends at the last second of 11:59PM, and began at 12:00AM). Guess big L not only doesn't understand 2 rail electricity, they can't tell time either!! :) Hmm, I wonder when it is 12AM in China??? :) heh heh heh S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38239	From: lynnshouse2000	Date: 1/17/2006
Subject: K-Line's future

Based on information from the owner of a LHS I trade with, K-Line is having financial problems. Apparently they have quite a large amount of merchandise at the manufacturer in China but he won't ship until he is paid. During this conversation there was some speculation that they may be close to going under. There was also an unsubstantiated rumor that MTH may try and pick up the pieces if they do fail. At present it is unknown whether this will bode well for the S community or not. Ya spins the wheel and takes your chances. Possibly there is someone in the group with better industry connections that can provide some insight. Lynn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38240	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 1/17/2006
Subject: Re: Replacing AF plastic wheels

On Tue, 17 Jan 2006 09:14:37 -0500, ROBERT ALLEN CONNER wrote: >most of the wheel sets were >changed to heavy metal AF ones for more weight...... they run nice OK, so next logical question... who sells them? How much? What about cars with electrical connections? I assume AF wheels must be maintained as you need the metal wheel (one) and the metal shaft to make the electrical connection. I assume this topic is about the comment that the plastic wheels on AF cars "is what makes the track dirty" or something along that line... jah? Four more switches and track for our layout is all cleaned up, then time for assembly... woohoo!!! (Saving a spare 4 for when we have a camera to show how this rehab work is done.) Thanks! Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38241	From: frank emiro	Date: 1/17/2006
Subject: Dying lamb or You got mail

I have heard the SHS 2 8 0 and don't understand how Dallee could let this engine sound board pass there inspections. I have Atlas O engines with Dallee sound, and they are several years old and still sound good. Best is, I only paid $125.00 each for them. SHS has truly made a great engine for us in S gage. With todays hi-tech in our hobby, and for a $699.00 price tag, there is lots of room for disappointment. Maybe if we change the cow on track to a lamb it won't be so bad. Could it be the fast mail trains are using email and that is the sound ( you got mail ) heard? --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos Got holiday prints? See all the ways to get quality prints in your hands ASAP. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38242	From: Roy Inman	Date: 1/17/2006
Subject: Re: That 2006 Catalog

David, To what catalog are you referring? And what site? Roy Inman > From: David Dewey <djdewey@...> > Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 12:22:10 -0800 > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] That 2006 Catalog > > Hmm, last night the site said, "NEW, Click Here" but the link was > "forbidden." now it says, "countdown to the new catalog" and shows 8 hours + > left. Sooo, I would say their announcement should have said 12:00AM Jan. > 18th! (the 17th ends at the last second of 11:59PM, and began at 12:00AM). > Guess big L not only doesn't understand 2 rail electricity, they can't tell > time either!! :) > Hmm, I wonder when it is 12AM in China??? :) > heh heh heh > S' > David D. > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38243	From: Roy Inman	Date: 1/17/2006
Subject: Re: Dying lamb or You got mail

So Frank, you are saying that the SHS sound is not what you expected? I have not yet received my engines (2), and have not heard even one. Anyone else have a reaction similar to Frank's? Roy Inman > From: frank emiro <femiro2002@...> > Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 13:13:14 -0800 (PST) > To: "s-trains@yahoogroups.com" <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [S-Trains] Dying lamb or You got mail > > I have heard the SHS 2 8 0 and don't understand how Dallee could let this > engine sound board pass there inspections. I have Atlas O engines with Dallee > sound, and they are several years old and still sound good. Best is, I only > paid $125.00 each for them. SHS has truly made a great engine for us in S > gage. With todays hi-tech in our hobby, and for a $699.00 price tag, there is > lots of room for disappointment. Maybe if we change the cow on track to a lamb > it won't be so bad. Could it be the fast mail trains are using email and that > is the sound ( you got mail ) heard? > > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Photos > Got holiday prints? See all the ways to get quality prints in your hands ASAP. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38244	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 1/17/2006
Subject: Re: IF Mayor Street likes it, it's gotta SUCK

How true the subject title is....Fred [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38245	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 1/17/2006
Subject: Re: TCA dues

In a message dated 1/16/2006 1:41:23 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, grdobbs@... writes: I agree...The TCA has done a LOT for me (and all of it's membership) over the years. Find me a better venue to see all that is happening in the train world other than the York Fairgrounds and then you can justify complaining about a little dues increase. And, that's just ONE reason.. Fred Jester TCA 76-9273 TCA is trying to balance it's budget. By eliminating one issue and dropping the "For Sale" in one issue. BECAUSE, of only 5% vote of a few TCA members against raising dues it was voted down. EVERY thing has gone up in cost including TCA expenses. Every TCA member has several hundred dollars worth of trains in there collection, A $5.00 a year rise in dues to support your club is not going to be a hard ship on anyone. My group, The Rocky Mountain Division is very active. 3 large 2 day shows with 100 to 200 tables with $10. table rent + banquets a year. Several ( 10 + ) shows per year with our train modules invited. Several 2 day auctions per year, run by TCA volunteers members only, for TCA members only, which include auctions for widows ( and hubby's, as RMDTCA has many lady operators and collectors ) to dispose of there spouse's collection. Monthly meetings include door prizes train video check out, kids club, Open house tours, pot lucks, + lots of other actives and this takes money. SUPPORT YOUR CLUB . VOTE YES or NO But vote. Don't let 5% of the membership control your club. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38246	From: Roy Inman	Date: 1/17/2006
Subject: Re: IF Mayor Street likes it, it's gotta SUCK

So who is Mayor Street and why do we dislike him/her? Roy > From: fredstrainparts@... > Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 17:24:33 -0500 (EST) > To: WJJIM@... > Cc: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: IF Mayor Street likes it, it's gotta SUCK > > How true the subject title is....Fred > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38247	From: mlmarmer	Date: 1/17/2006
Subject: Re: TCA dues

Actually only 5.6% voted last time. I voted today, so vote yes or no, but vote. Sad, that less than 2000 out of 32,000 voted. And I agree with alot that Jerry Dobbs writes. Mike Marmer

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38248	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 1/17/2006
Subject: Re: That 2006 Catalog

12PM !!!!!!! tHEY ALWAYS TOLD ME AS A KID IF i DUG A HOLE DEEP ENOUGH i WOULD WIND UP IN cHINA!!!!!! BOB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roy Inman" <rinphoto@...> To: "David Dewey" <djdewey@...>; <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 4:42 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] That 2006 Catalog > David, > To what catalog are you referring? > And what site? > Roy Inman > >> From: David Dewey <djdewey@...> >> Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 12:22:10 -0800 >> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com >> Subject: [S-Trains] That 2006 Catalog >> >> Hmm, last night the site said, "NEW, Click Here" but the link was >> "forbidden." now it says, "countdown to the new catalog" and shows 8 >> hours + >> left. Sooo, I would say their announcement should have said 12:00AM Jan. >> 18th! (the 17th ends at the last second of 11:59PM, and began at >> 12:00AM). >> Guess big L not only doesn't understand 2 rail electricity, they can't >> tell >> time either!! :) >> Hmm, I wonder when it is 12AM in China??? :) >> heh heh heh >> S' >> David D. >> >> >> >> >> >> S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com >> All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! >> >> Enjoy thousands of great photos >> at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail >> Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38249	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 1/17/2006
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] Re: IF Mayor Street likes it, it's gotta SUCK

So who is Mayor Street and why do we dislike him/her? Roy Mayor Street is part of the "Rich and Shameless" coalition of Philadelphia's elite that want to re-name PRR's 30th street station to "Ben Franklin" station. All of the railroad buffs (particularly PRR enthusiasts) here are up in arms about this.. Fred [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38250	From: jackotrains	Date: 1/17/2006
Subject: 2006 American Flyer

Just got a peek of the new Lionel Catalog, lots of American Flyer. There is a Chessie SD-9 Freight Set, Alton Ltd. set with all new passenger cars,tie jector car,Western Maryland Baldwin,Animated Track Gang ass., Beth. Steel and NYC Docksiders, a lot of new cabooses and cars. There goes my budget for this year.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38251	From: mlmarmer	Date: 1/17/2006
Subject: Passenger cars

Just curious on the 660, 661, 662 and 663 Passenger cars, why the 661 is a bit more valuable. Thanks, Mike

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38252	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 1/17/2006
Subject: Re: Passenger cars

Mike..... On the Alum cars...... Due to weight 4 cars were to much...... The 661 was a seperate sale item..... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "mlmarmer" <mlmarmer@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; "Ralph Loveless" <ralcor888@...> Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 7:28 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Passenger cars > Just curious on the 660, 661, 662 and 663 Passenger cars, why the 661 is a > bit more valuable. > > Thanks, > > Mike > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38253	From: ED WHELAN	Date: 1/17/2006
Subject: Prices going down on ebay???

BlankGreetings to All, A few days ago someone made some outstanding points on the wonderful merits & memories of American Flyer collectors. As I remember, the point was that in a short time, no one would be interested in collecting trains that we hold so very dear. One exception I must make with the author of this note is that prices on ebay are dropping. My experience is very much to the contrary. My gut feeling is that prices have risen 30% to 40% in the last two years. I suspect that the "baby boomers" are impacting prices greatly. I notice that ebayers with less than 20+ favorable feedback are driving prices up 50% vs. two years ago. This could indeed be a short tem scenario, but presently is inflating the market. I recall watching a video a year ago, vintage 1989, and a collector/operator decided to rebuild American Flyer locos, cars etc. because prices were soaring. How does everyone else feel about this topic? Ed Whelan- Pittsburgh, PA [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38254	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 1/17/2006
Subject: Re: 2006 American Flyer

All, Go to this link and see the new Lionel AF on pages 130 to 139. Some of it is quite interesting. New heavyweights at last! http://ca4.lionel-catalog.com/catalog8a2a.html Bob Bubeck [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38255	From: Phil K	Date: 1/17/2006
Subject: Re: Prices going down on eBay???

I have been an eBay watcher/buyer for years. Here are my observations: There are two easily-identifyable groups who have interest in model trains -- you are either a collector or operator or somewhere in between. Most collectors also have some trains they operate, while most operators own "shelf" pieces of rarity and high value. There apparently is also a very small group of "pure collectors" who only view collectible model trains as a commodity, to be bought and sold -- hopefully -- at a profit. As ruthless mercenaries, they have no passion for the hobby whatsoever and are just interested in making money. Period. They own shelves full of stuff in never-opened boxes, and for them, playing trains is not an option. A decreasing percentage of operators -- usually with less disposable income but an abundance of spare time -- support the "build as much as you can yourself and save a few bucks" modus operandi. On the other hand, over the last few years I have seen a growth of people with limited disposable time and more disposable income buy everything they can in ready-to-run or built-up. This is good for the hobby and has brought more people into S in recent years. After AC Gilbert was shut down in 1967, no one was offering a significant output of new ready-to-run S until Lionel rekindled American Flyer in 1979 (three cars) and locomotives in following years. So for about 15 years, loyal S gaugers were forced to assemble kits, kitbash and/or create themselves any new locomotives and rolling stock for their layouts. Or keep the old stuff running. EBay pricing runs in cycles. Starting in early November, the number of S-gauge auctions jumps significantly in anticipation of the Christmas season. That's because there are a lot of "seasonal" operators who pull out the box of trains to run under the tree and look to eBay to find replacment parts and additional pieces. Others are looking to buy trains and sets to recapture their youth, or do for their own kids what their parents did for them. Conversely, there are a lot of sellers who place items for bid because they want to capitalize the seasonal aspect of model trains AND pick up a few extra bucks for Christmas expenses of their own. Usually at this time of year, the markets offset themselves. Most years, there is more being offered than being sold and you can get some really good deals. Pre-Christmas is definitely a buyer's market. But this trumps EVERYTHING: whenever a collectible-quality truly rare piece is offered on eBay, you get representatives from all three groups -- operators, collectors and the commodity brokers -- bidding against each other, keeping the selling prices (values) high. Right now, following Christmas, there are some good deals because a lot of guys are holding back on buying trains (buyer's market) so they can pay off their Christmas charges. So you can get good deals right now, if you know what to look for. I think the market for the top-shelf, really rare Flyer stuff will be keep moving more toward collectors looking to make an investment. While the hobby may be losing operators, it is gaining collectors. After all, there were only a limited number of certain items made -- just like in other collecting hobbies -- and I frankly don't see how no one will want to collect rare pieces that are of excellent quality -- 50- and 60-year-old trains that were made in limited quantities. Opinions on the stability of prices for American Flyer on eBay depend on the person's point of view, I guess. Don't forget -- what a guy is asking isn't necessarily what the item is worth -- it's what he thinks it is worth. I have seen a lot of outrageously-priced S items run their course on eBay with no bids, too. Any item's value is what someone is willing to pay for it, not what it says in the Greenberg or TM price guides. EBay provides a great opportunity to get a solid handle on prices, and it costs nothing to watch except your time. According to my records, common 302AC metal-boiler Atlantics were selling in the $30 to $50 range five years ago on eBay (based on condition). Today, I see them going from $45 to $70. Prices overall seem to be steadily climbing, with an ebb and flow -- 10% up, then 5% down, 10% up, then 5% down. The amplification of price increases is tied to the rarity of the item. On the other hand, you'd pay $1600 to $2000 for an original E Gabe the Lamplighter five years ago, while today they're selling more in the $800 to $1200 range. I'd guess the reissue at least temporarily has decreased the demand for it. My $0.02 Phil K ***************************************************************** --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "ED WHELAN" <ejw333@c...> wrote: > > BlankGreetings to All, > A few days ago someone made some outstanding points on the wonderful merits & memories of American Flyer collectors. As I remember, the point was that in a short time, no one would be interested in collecting trains that we hold so very dear. One exception I must make with the author of this note is that prices on ebay are dropping. My experience is very much to the contrary. > My gut feeling is that prices have risen 30% to 40% in the last two years. I suspect that the "baby boomers" are impacting prices greatly. I notice that ebayers with less than 20+ favorable feedback are driving prices up 50% vs. two years ago. This could indeed be a short tem scenario, but presently is inflating the market. I recall watching a video a year ago, vintage 1989, and a collector/operator decided to rebuild American Flyer locos, cars etc. because prices were soaring. > How does everyone else feel about this topic? > > Ed Whelan- Pittsburgh, PA > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38256	From: Phil K	Date: 1/17/2006
Subject: Re: 2006 American Flyer -- Woo Hooooo!

Omigosh! Be still my heart! A new Pacific locomotive with TMCC! A new SD9! Two new sets! Reissue of the 594 track gang for less than $100! Separate sets of C&A and UP heavyweight coaches! And more, more more... And some of us thought Lionel was going to cut back on Flyer offerings... This is REALLY exciting. Phil K ************************************************************ --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, rbubeck327@a... wrote: > > All, > > Go to this link and see the new Lionel AF on pages 130 to 139. Some of it is > quite interesting. New heavyweights at last! > > http://ca4.lionel-catalog.com/catalog8a2a.html > > Bob Bubeck > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38257	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/17/2006
Subject: Re: Passenger cars

I have wondered about that myself!! Seems I knew,....at one time! Rick. Just curious on the 660, 661, 662 and 663 Passenger cars, why the 661 is a bit more valuable. Thanks, Mike S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38258	From: keefer1	Date: 1/17/2006
Subject: Re: 2006 American Flyer

Nice looking stuff. I want a Bethelehem Steel docksider, used to go on field trips while in grade school to that mill. And a nice hundred track gang will be cool! --- rbubeck327@... wrote: > All, > > Go to this link and see the new Lionel AF on pages > 130 to 139. Some of it is > quite interesting. New heavyweights at last! > > http://ca4.lionel-catalog.com/catalog8a2a.html > > Bob Bubeck > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38259	From: keefer1	Date: 1/17/2006
Subject: oops!

The passenger set is riding on 3 rail track! Keith __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38260	From: Phil K	Date: 1/17/2006
Subject: Re: oops!

> The passenger set is riding on 3 rail track! Keith< Yes and no. Here's the exclusive scoop: The three-rail track is in front of the Chicago & Alton Pacific, but is being transformed as the train passes over. If you look, it's coming out two-rail behind the observation car. More magic, I guess... LOL Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38261	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 1/17/2006
Subject: re" Lionel Hits Homerun with 2006 Catalog

Wow! Great items for 2006 coming for all S Gaugers. The new Union Pacific heavyweight Passenger set is fantastic. Track work gang super, and on and on be sure to take a look at the new Catalog. Jerry Matsick Jerry Matsick RESPOND TO Mtoytrain@... Jacksonville, Florida TCA 04-57715 NASG --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos – Showcase holiday pictures in hardcover Photo Books. You design it and we’ll bind it! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38262	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 1/18/2006
Subject: Re: 2006 American Flyer

One thing is sure, "L" does NOT seem to fear using the UP's name and logos jfred --- rbubeck327@... wrote: > All, > > Go to this link and see the new Lionel AF on pages > 130 to 139. Some of it is > quite interesting. New heavyweights at last! > > http://ca4.lionel-catalog.com/catalog8a2a.html > > Bob Bubeck > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38263	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/18/2006
Subject: L catalog Oops! & I'm out of service for a bit.

As Keith noted, the Alton set is on three rail tubular track. The loco head on shows the third rail, and the Obs car end view is the same track, but the rail is airbrushed out, although the tie crims and insulation are somewhat visible. Detail is hard to pick up on the site, but the cars look like major reworks of the ACG ones. The add on cars include a full length baggage car on three axle trucks. The trucks appear to be reworked too--rats, I was hoping they'd match the ACG ones. I noted the docksider pics show a traditional AF KC. Wish they came that way! And ED, there's a CP car for you!! I'm probably not going to be around for a day or so, the Dr. says I'm passing a Kidney stone, and I only get short periods where I feel like sitting up. I hope this doesn't take too long. So much for my "joke" that "This too, will pass--maybe like a kidney stone, but it will pass." Gotta go, have fun drooling--although that clear vision caboose is downright ugly, IMHO. S' David

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38264	From: Alex Sibbald	Date: 1/18/2006
Subject: Lionel 2006

Hi all, The new Flyonel Alton Limited set is awesome! How interesting that the front of the train runs in on 3 rails but leaves on 2. Is it because Lionel knows that 2 is better and will get there eventually? Staying on 2 rails, Alex S.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38265	From: ED WHELAN	Date: 1/18/2006
Subject: Lionel Catalog - Lionel 2006 Train Catalog Volume 1

Here's the link to the new Fylionel offerings in the 2006 vol. 1 catalog. Regards, Ed Whelan-Pittsburgh Go Steelers!!! http://ca4.lionel-catalog.com/catalog4f20.html [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38266	From: ED WHELAN	Date: 1/18/2006
Subject: Lionel crossing gates

Hello to All, Has anyone tried this accessory on their AF layout. It would eliminate the need for track trips but I wonder if it would be too big. I'm not very mechanical & an legally blind and haven't had any success with the AF flashers & bell danger signals. Thanks in advance for your input. Ed W. Pittsburgh http://www.lionel.com/CentralStation/Findex.cfm [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38267	From: keefer1	Date: 1/18/2006
Subject: Passenger cars

David Dewey typed "Detail is hard to pick up on the site, but the cars look like major reworks of the ACG ones." I think these cars are actually the lionel cars. I would assume since they fit so well on the three rail track any evaluation of the trucks would be a waste of time, and since the cars seem to fit so well on the trucks ,an evaluation of the cars would also be a waste. They don't look like a rework of the gilbert dies, they look just like the current production O gauge cars. Keith __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38268	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 1/18/2006
Subject: Re: oops!

The heavyweights will be new tooling -- note that they are doing a baggage car, which could not have been easily done with the old split Gilbert tools. My belief is that they made the decision to commit to doing heavies quite recently. For the sake of illustrations in the catalog, they have pictured the scale O gauge C&A set they did a number of years ago. If you look carefully, the tail end of the observation car is an O gauge 18 inch heavy with standard metal O gauge wheels. The catalog editor missed the third rail under the engine. <wink> In any case, they are doing new heavies, a new TMCC Pacific, and what will probably be a very pretty Chicago and Alton set -- real plusses. The list prices, however, on the rolling stock and the Baldwin switcher continue to be (well, shall we say) amazing. Bob Bubeck In a message dated 1/18/2006 12:15:17 AM Eastern Standard Time, waldootten@... writes: > The passenger set is riding on 3 rail track! Keith< Yes and no. Here's the exclusive scoop: The three-rail track is in front of the Chicago & Alton Pacific, but is being transformed as the train passes over. If you look, it's coming out two-rail behind the observation car. More magic, I guess... LOL Phil K [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38269	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 1/18/2006
Subject: 2006 American Flyer

In a message dated 1/17/2006 8:11:40 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, joppdp@... writes: Just got a peek of the new Lionel Catalog, lots of American Flyer Unfortunately, all re-issues except the non-protoypical "green" Pennsy Mike. Seems to be missing the Belpaire Boiler, famous on almost ALL PRR steamers. Lengthy conversation with LIONEL rep last Fall at York, they now seem to realize that SHS & AM are making better looking and more accurate models, which LIONEL would do except for the "cost". I pointed out that they have used the same stamped flat box car floor since 1948, think that tooling is PROBABLY paid for. Young fella had no audible reply. Also mentioned both of their "major" competitors were selling superior product for less money, once again, no audible reply. Nice kid, tho. Jim "livin' on the PENNSY Main" Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38270	From: Roy Inman	Date: 1/18/2006
Subject: Re: oops!

Well, in the new 2006 Flyer version of the Lionel catalog, the Chicago & Alton ENGINE is riding on three rails. The end/business/OBS car is on two. I assume that is what you are referring to? I cannot tell from the web photo what the entire train is riding on. Lionel did produce a scale O, three-rail engine (and matching cars), so they probably used that for the photos. And they should have said so in the copy. Look closely at the drumhead end photo, and I believe it appears to be heavily photoshopped. My guess is that they used an existing AF car for that shot, but redrew it, post production. In any event, since the C&A was one of the 12 founding railroads of Union Station Kansas City I will (sigh...) have to have one. Oh well, it's only money...but whoever thought that we might see a more-or-less scale Pacific in the relatively obscure C&A livery? Never in my wildest dreams... Roy Inman > From: keefer1 <keefer1_us@...> > Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 20:23:49 -0800 (PST) > To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] oops! > > The passenger set is riding on 3 rail track! Keith > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38271	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 1/18/2006
Subject: Re: 2006 American Flyer

Dear Jim, The PRR owned a few USRA mikes (circa 1919) that did not have the Belpaire firebox. But, the tender is much closer to the one that ACG used on the 302/283/290 steamers. The tender on the B&O/NYC Mike is way too long. Don WJJIM@... wrote: > ...the non-protoypical "green" Pennsy Mike Seems to be missing the Belpaire Boiler, famous on almost ALL PRR steamers. > >Jim "livin' on the PENNSY Main" Lyle >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38272	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 1/18/2006
Subject: Re: 2006 American Flyer

In a message dated 1/18/2006 10:16:52 AM Eastern Standard Time, WJJIM@... writes: Unfortunately, all re-issues except the non-protoypical "green" Pennsy Mike. Seems to be missing the Belpaire Boiler, famous on almost ALL PRR steamers. Well, the PRR did have one USRA Mike configured in the fashion of the catalog, so it is correct. Check your Alvin Staufer.<wink> For some reason, Lionel does Brunswick green in their catalog illustrations as if it was Christmas, but the engines have been delivered in recent times with a reasonable facsimile of the color (e.g, the recent PRR E6s, Y3, BB1 and GG1 in zero gauge). Hope this helps. Bob Bubeck [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38273	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 1/18/2006
Subject: Re: 2006 American Flyer

My saving grace of course, is the term, "almost ALL". The "J's" ( C & O Texas pattern) had wagon-top boilers also, as did the many of the 1800's locomotives. PRR even had some "Camelbacks" and two "Prairies", but they saw the light. Now the only PRR Prairies are, I think, Mantua's, with "wagon-top" boilers. You guys didn' think I wouldn't have a reference here did you???? Jim "livin' on the PENNSY Main" Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38274	From: keefer1	Date: 1/18/2006
Subject: K-LINE DEALS

This is from there web page. I tried to order but never got the deal prices.I called and was told you have to order online. Keith S Gauge Freight Cars Any 4 K511 Cars - $50 Any 9 K511 Cars - $100 K511-017 Reading S Gauge Boxcar $22.95 $15 Picture K511-024 SP S Gauge Caboose $22.95 $15 Picture K511-025 Reading S Gauge Caboose $22.95 $15 Picture K511-026 Milw. Road S Gauge Caboose $22.95 $15 Picture K511-027 D&LW S Gauge Boxcar $22.95 $15 No Picture K511-041 Coke S Gauge Boxcar $27.95 $20 Picture K511-042 Coke S Gauge Boxcar $27.95 $20 Picture __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38275	From: Phil K	Date: 1/18/2006
Subject: Re: K-LINE DEALS

Looks like someone's trying to raise a lot of cash in a hurry. Wonder if they'll do the same thing with all of the inventory still sitting in Asia. Prediction: there will be guys buying the blowout boxcars at 9 for $100 and then will ask $22.95 for them on eBay. Phil K **************************************************************** --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, keefer1 <keefer1_us@y...> wrote: > > This is from there web page. I tried to order but > never got the deal prices.I called and was told you > have to order online. Keith > > > > S Gauge Freight Cars > Any 4 K511 Cars - $50 > Any 9 K511 Cars - $100 > K511-017 Reading S Gauge Boxcar $22.95 $15 Picture > K511-024 SP S Gauge Caboose $22.95 $15 Picture > K511-025 Reading S Gauge Caboose $22.95 $15 > Picture > K511-026 Milw. Road S Gauge Caboose $22.95 $15 > Picture > K511-027 D&LW S Gauge Boxcar $22.95 $15 No Picture > K511-041 Coke S Gauge Boxcar $27.95 $20 Picture > K511-042 Coke S Gauge Boxcar $27.95 $20 Picture > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38276	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 1/18/2006
Subject: Re: 2006 American Flyer/PRR

Seems like a LOT of PENNSY interest out there. Maybe a major S manufacturer would do a PRR Consolodation???? The PRR had over 3,335 on the roster in 1924 (Al Staufer, Pennsy Power) in many classes in the "H" series. Some were "wagon-tops", most were Belpaire boilered beasties. They ran until the last fires were dropped. Used primarily in freight service, altho there is a story of a worn-out Consol put into pusher service to get a heavy train out of a station. Lead engineer forgot he had help, dragged the little Consol a long way, screeching and feebly whistling, before it got cut off. The Consol "wobbled" home, a bedraggled little steamer. I'm sure PVMR and I myself could find a home for a few examples. Jim "livin' on the PENNSY Main" Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38277	From: keefer1	Date: 1/18/2006
Subject: Fwd: New Lionel

> I'm as happy as the next guy , about all the new > stuff coming out.( although cautious, I do remenber > several I told you so's about the K-line > announcement of sets.) I think Lionel has a better track record > of producing the catalog items. There are several > items I will buy. (from a dealer on the list) > The point I was trying to make with my posts , it > is a little premature to start analyzing quality based > on the catalog pictures. C&A on three rail, UP no > couplers, 336 with a lionel trailing truck , these > are a combination of artists concept, and concept models, > not production run, or even prototypes. > I remember the analysis of the new sd-9, ooops, > yes it is a new design truck, despite what the > detectives all claimed about it. Keith > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38278	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 1/18/2006
Subject: Flyonel pricing

Since someone else brought it up, seems interesting that K-Line was selling re-molded S-cars for $19.95 (usually 17.95) with SPRUNG trucks, Flyonel re-molded cars are $ 54.95 with RIDGID trucks. VERRRRRRRY interesting. Doubt the S-cars have much to do with K-Lines' current embarrassment. Jim "curious in Paradise" Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38279	From: Phil K	Date: 1/18/2006
Subject: Re: New Flyonel pricing

If you get a chance, take a look at some of the Lionel offerings in the new catalog. I'd love an S gauge N&W J-class 611 and a Milwauke Road Hiawatha steamer with passenger cars. BTW, if you think prices are high for some of the American Flyer stuff, there's Lionel high-end stuff just as high. I also noticed a new L train set for $2,799 -- transformer included. Also take a look at the new "Alien" cars from the Groom Lake RR. Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38280	From: Richard Hosmer	Date: 1/18/2006
Subject: Re: oops!

Hello all: Re all the Flyonel two rail /3 rail hubbub: I CANNOT believe this!!! The catalog pictures, at least of the UP cars, are CLEARLY labeled "CONCEPT"!!!! That means it can be ANYTHING their art department saw fit to compose/cobble together to meet press-time. It ISN"T a picture of the real model Pullman, combine, observation, et al. Their haste is clearly evident in the 2/3 issue. Dick Hosmer 3/16"-O lurker

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38281	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 1/18/2006
Subject: NEW LIONEL

I see C. Ro is taking orders now...... not all items are listed.... 4 up cars 189 2 up cars 99 c&o set 444 alton set 699 Bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38282	From: keefer1	Date: 1/18/2006
Subject: New Lionel

I"m as happy as the next guy , about all the new stuff coming out.( although cautious, I do remenber several I told you so's about the K-line announcement of sets.) I think Lionel has a better track record of producing the catalog items. There are several items I will buy. (from a dealer on the list) The point I was trying to make with my posts , it is a little premature to start analyzing quality based on the catalog pictures. C&A on three rail, UP no couplers, 336 with a lionel trailing truck , these are a combination of artists concept, and concept models , not production run , or even prototypes. I remember the analysis of the new sd-9, ooops , yes it is a new design truck, despite what the detectives all claimed about it. Keith __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38283	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 1/18/2006
Subject: Re: Flyonel's new Heavyweights

Question we all want to know, we have heard many say just like the ole Gilbert heavyweights, or they are similar to the Madison coaches made by American Models? I hope they are the "heavy" Heavyweights reproductions? Anyone know for sure? Jerry Matsick

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38284	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 1/18/2006
Subject: Re: Steam Engine Wish List

My wish list is for SHelper, Amerian Models, or Flynel release a new K5 for the PRR! It was a super seller for Gilbert and would be again. Truely one of the great steam engines. Was the PRR the only company that ran the K5? Jerry Matsick

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38285	From: Furmanak, Stan	Date: 1/18/2006
Subject: SHS Frank Titman Commemorative Spiral Hill Hopper; pic and order in

Please see http://www.lehighvalleysgaugers.org/club_cars.html for a photo of the new LVSG club car commemorating the legacy of Frank Titman. There are three numbers. SHRR 1921 Frank's Birth date, SHRR 1961 the forming of the Delaware Valley S Gauge club and SHRR 1990, the renaming of the DVSG to the Lehigh Valley S Gaugers club. Letting is white, Body is Black, Logo is Red & White. Stan Furmanak LVSG member Annville, PA

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38286	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 1/18/2006
Subject: Re: Steam Engine Wish List

The PRR built only TWO K-5 Pacifics, enlarged boiler was a "test bed". Built with two different sets of valve gears, one was difficult to run and maintain, the other not. Ran mostly West of Harrisburg. Never figured out why Gilbert modeled K-5, unless to get space inside the larger boiler for the smoke unit?? On the other hand, PRR built and ran 425 K-4 Pacifics (probably way too many) in many different appearances. The K-4's ended up being "double-headed" frequently on long passenger consists, because one simply didn't have the power to move an 18 car heavyweight train. Double-heading, of course, meant an extra crew for each extra locomotive, raising crew cost and cost of operation. With multiple sections of the BROADWAY alone, they could tie up a lot of power. The M-1a was to be the answer to that problem.. Normally GG-1s from Harrisburg to New York. Any mfg'er could build the basic K-4 and alter it for years to represent different locomotives in that class. Solid pilot with and without drop coupler, slatted pilot etc. Any PENNSY modeler with any kind of space could use several K-4's. Jim "Livin' on the Pennsy Main" Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38287	From: frank emiro	Date: 1/18/2006
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] Lionel Catalog - Lionel 2006 Train Catalog Volume 1

I guess Lionel does listen. Now I won't need to repaint a 21085 for the C&A. Note: forwarded message attached. --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos – Showcase holiday pictures in hardcover Photo Books. You design it and we’ll bind it! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38288	From: keefer1	Date: 1/18/2006
Subject: Re: oops!

Thanks for confirming that for us Bob. I was pretty sure attacking the catalog pics with a magnifying glass wasn't going to reveal anything. Keith --- rbubeck327@... wrote: > The heavyweights will be new tooling -- note that > they are doing a baggage > car, which could not have been easily done with the > old split Gilbert tools. My > belief is that they made the decision to commit to > doing heavies quite > recently. For the sake of illustrations in the > catalog, they have pictured the scale > O gauge C&A set they did a number of years ago. If > you look carefully, the > tail end of the observation car is an O gauge 18 > inch heavy with standard metal O > gauge wheels. The catalog editor missed the third > rail under the engine. > <wink> In any case, they are doing new heavies, a > new TMCC Pacific, and what will > probably be a very pretty Chicago and Alton set -- > real plusses. > > The list prices, however, on the rolling stock and > the Baldwin switcher > continue to be (well, shall we say) amazing. > > Bob Bubeck > > > > > In a message dated 1/18/2006 12:15:17 AM Eastern > Standard Time, > waldootten@... writes: > > The passenger set is riding on 3 rail track! > Keith< > > Yes and no. Here's the exclusive scoop: The > three-rail track is in front of > the Chicago & Alton Pacific, but is being > transformed as the > train passes over. If you look, it's coming out > two-rail behind the > observation car. More magic, I guess... LOL > > Phil K > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38289	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 1/18/2006
Subject: Re: Steam Engine Wish List

Not only was Pennsylvania the only line to operate the K5, they only had one made. So, I'd rather see a K4S Pacific instead of a K5 (I have 6). The new Pacific should get a pair of air tanks and a wind screen ahead of the fore dome-and New Haven livery (the tanks were a hallmark of the NHRR Pacifics). Dream locos? This boy wants a NHRR I-class Hudson, with the streamline shroud. And how about the 20th Century Ltd Headed by a Dreyfuss? A Pacific chassis is, of course, a great basis for many 6 driver locos. I'd like to see a N&W J, too, on the 336 chassis-and how about a Berkshire or two? Finally L seems to be taking Flyer seriously-if they make them like the 0 stuff (for the last 10 yrs) Flyer will be the better choice again. Three rails aside, L has produced some wicked nice locos and coaches in that other gage. Hey, I love toy trains-no matter how many rails-john Marganski --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos Got holiday prints? See all the ways to get quality prints in your hands ASAP. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38290	From: BENJAMIN PERRY	Date: 1/18/2006
Subject: Re: Steam Engine Wish List

Believe it or not, when the New Haven I-4's were delivered they did not have the smoke deflectors and the top mounted air tanks. The Elseco feedwater heater seems too short on the new Lionel engine. Ben Perry The hobo Lets his Whiskers sprout It's trains-not girls That he takes out BURMA-SHAVE -----Original Message----- From: john isn't eddie anymore Sent: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 14:18:26 -0800 To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] re: Steam Engine Wish List Not only was Pennsylvania the only line to operate the K5, they only had one made. So, I'd rather see a K4S Pacific instead of a K5 (I have 6). The new Pacific should get a pair of air tanks and a wind screen ahead of the fore dome-and New Haven livery (the tanks were a hallmark of the NHRR Pacifics). Dream locos? This boy wants a NHRR I-class Hudson, with the streamline shroud. And how about the 20th Century Ltd Headed by a Dreyfuss? A Pacific chassis is, of course, a great basis for many 6 driver locos. I'd like to see a N&W J, too, on the 336 chassis-and how about a Berkshire or two? Finally L seems to be taking Flyer seriously-if they make them like the 0 stuff (for the last 10 yrs) Flyer will be the better choice again. Three rails aside, L has produced some wicked nice locos and coaches in that other gage. Hey, I love toy trains-no matter how many rails-john Marganski --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos Got holiday prints? See all the ways to get quality prints in your hands ASAP. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38291	From: Neil	Date: 1/18/2006
Subject: Re: Flyonel's new Heavyweights

My understanding of the heavyweights is that they will be re-worked original tooling. As most people are aware, the 954 has the smooth roof, unlike the 952 and 953 that have the ridge line running down the middle. The intention is to create a new peice of roof tooling to complement the 954. I also believe that there is a possibility that we may see the return of the opening doors, as found on the 6xx serries heavyweights. The upgrading of the heavyweights has been in the pipe line for nearly two years now. With regards to the chassis and the trucks, that's anybodies guess. I suppose we'll just to have to wait and see! Regards, Neil T > Question we all want to know, we have heard many say just like the ole > Gilbert heavyweights, or they are similar to the Madison coaches made > by American Models? I hope they are the "heavy" Heavyweights > reproductions? Anyone know for sure? > > Jerry Matsick > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38292	From: mlmarmer	Date: 1/18/2006
Subject: Re: Prices going down on ebay???

Bidding is hit or miss. Just recently, a 21130 in LN all steps, went for over $760. I believe I saw two different auctions. Then I saw 2 different 21130, same condition, go for under $400. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: "ED WHELAN" <ejw333@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 9:06 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Prices going down on ebay??? > BlankGreetings to All, > A few days ago someone made some outstanding points on the wonderful merits & memories of American Flyer collectors. As I remember, the point was that in a short time, no one would be interested in collecting trains that we hold so very dear. One exception I must make with the author of this note is that prices on ebay are dropping. My experience is very much to the contrary. > My gut feeling is that prices have risen 30% to 40% in the last two years. I suspect that the "baby boomers" are impacting prices greatly. I notice that ebayers with less than 20+ favorable feedback are driving prices up 50% vs. two years ago. This could indeed be a short tem scenario, but presently is inflating the market. I recall watching a video a year ago, vintage 1989, and a collector/operator decided to rebuild American Flyer locos, cars etc. because prices were soaring. > How does everyone else feel about this topic? > > Ed Whelan- Pittsburgh, PA > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38293	From: mlmarmer	Date: 1/18/2006
Subject: Re: Passenger cars

Rick, I have been told by many on private email, that the 661 was sold separately. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Evans" <bassflyer@...> To: "S-Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 10:43 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Passenger cars > I have wondered about that myself!! > Seems I knew,....at one time! > > Rick. > > > > Just curious on the 660, 661, 662 and 663 Passenger cars, why the 661 is a > bit more valuable. > > Thanks, > > Mike > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38294	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 1/18/2006
Subject: Re: Steam Engine Wish List, K5s'

The PRR built TWO K-5s Pacific locomotives in 1929, 5698 & 5699. They preceded the M1a MOUNTAINS by one yr, pioneered many of the same features as the M-1a's. 5698 was built at Juniata Works with Piston valves and Walschaerts valve gear, hand fired!! 5699 was built by Baldwin with Poppet valves and Capriotti valve gear, hand fired,converted to piston valves and Walshaerts valve gear in 1937, easier to operate and maintain. Both were stoker fired by 1941. They ran from Philadelphia to Pittsburgh until electrification from Philadelphia to Harrisburg, when they were re-assigned to the Northen Central, running between Harrisburg and Baltimore, sometimes double-heading with H 9 Consols. They last served between Pittsburgh and Crestline. They were considered "slippery" locomotives and were not crew favorites. Their larger features, however, suited the soon to be built M 1a Mountains (4-8-2) some of which were "dual service". Once again, THANKS to Al Staufer and Pennsy Power. Jim "livin' on the PENNSY Main" Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38295	From: mlmarmer	Date: 1/18/2006
Subject: Aluminum Polish

Someone asked about cleaning Aluminum cars, passenger, I assume, on the TCA list and someone responded back by saying to use mag wheel polish. Well, I like to thank both of these people who wrote, as I had 3 awful looking Aluminum Passenger cars made by AF between 1950 and 1952, link couplers. I got these cars in 1992, as I was new to the hobby and made this purchase. I got the cars for 50 each, so the price was right. By they are so dull looking, I just put them away in a box, not displaying them, with the rest of my AF collection. I was about to give them away, they were they awful. So, due to the emails, I got a jar of Mother's Mag Wheel polish, as I know, the brand recommended was different. WOW. Just absolutely amazing how they look now. I took them apart, removed the silulettes and overhead wire on the one car. They are so new looking, like a mirror, it is amazing. Even my wife can't believe how good they look now. They will be great on the layout someday. Just unbelievable. Gee, I think I will go for the big bucks and sell them on Ebay as LN. LOL Hey, a 25 dollar common Gulf tanker just went for almost 200. Anything can happen. No, I will keep them. Just amazing. THANKS! Mike Marmer

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38296	From: Robert A Persing	Date: 1/18/2006
Subject: Re: Passenger cars

It was a seperate sale item and came in one freight set.Did not come in a set with the other three cars. Bob Persing ----- Original Message ----- From: "mlmarmer" <mlmarmer@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; "Ralph Loveless" <ralcor888@...> Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 7:28 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Passenger cars > Just curious on the 660, 661, 662 and 663 Passenger cars, why the 661 is a > bit more valuable. > > Thanks, > > Mike > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38297	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 1/18/2006
Subject: Passenger Cars - Rarity of Coach 661/961

I have been reading the emails about the rarity of coach 661. I did not realize that the 661 aluminum coach was sold separately from the train sets due to 4 cars being too heavy for some of the locos. But I would have given another reason for the 661 and 961 cars going for higher prices than the domes, combines, or observation, and this would apply to plastic cars and aluminum cars. Everyone wanted an observation car, a dome car, and a combine. The sets came with one of each, or in some cases with 2 domes. After you have one observation and one combine, you don't need another. But if one wanted their train to more closely represent the prototype passenger trains, one might prefer to have several coaches. But only one coach came in a set. So there is more demand for a coach and possibly no more supply. The same scenario exists with the heavyweight cars, except of course, there are no domes. Lots of people bought sets with combine, Pullman, and observation. If one wants additional Pullmans, one usually has to pay more for one. On eBay, or on dealer lists, it is fairly common to see observations and domes and combines available for sale. But not nearly as many 661/961 coaches or 652/952 Pullmans. And I expect that there have been many purchases of sets by buyers who only wanted an extra coach or Pullman and immediately put up for sale the observation and combine. - Earl Henry, Nashville [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38298	From: Alan Bataille	Date: 1/18/2006
Subject: S Steam Freight Set

Hi all, I'm still waiting for someone to offer a brand new S freight set with a steam loco. That would look so good in an S-Helper or Lionel catalog. I would be much more inclined to buy one than I would a passenger set. Nothing against the passenger sets, just a personal preference. Alan B

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38299	From: keefer1	Date: 1/18/2006
Subject: Re: Passenger Cars - Rarity of Coach 661/961

The 661 was included in one out of the 4 (maybe 5) sets the aluminum cars were in . The set they were included in also included a northern (332DC) the other sets were all diesel. The type of set might be part of the difference , but I would agree the fact that you can't get enough coaches is what drives the price up. Look at the daylight coach , sells for almost twice any of the rest. Keith --- tennsgauge@... wrote: > I have been reading the emails about the rarity of > coach 661. I did not > realize that the 661 aluminum coach was sold > separately from the train sets due to > 4 cars being too heavy for some of the locos. > > But I would have given another reason for the 661 > and 961 cars going for > higher prices than the domes, combines, or > observation, and this would apply to > plastic cars and aluminum cars. > > Everyone wanted an observation car, a dome car, and > a combine. The sets came > with one of each, or in some cases with 2 domes. > After you have one > observation and one combine, you don't need another. > But if one wanted their train to > more closely represent the prototype passenger > trains, one might prefer to > have several coaches. But only one coach came in a > set. So there is more > demand for a coach and possibly no more supply. > > The same scenario exists with the heavyweight cars, > except of course, there > are no domes. Lots of people bought sets with > combine, Pullman, and > observation. If one wants additional Pullmans, one > usually has to pay more for one. > > On eBay, or on dealer lists, it is fairly common to > see observations and > domes and combines available for sale. But not > nearly as many 661/961 coaches or > 652/952 Pullmans. > > And I expect that there have been many purchases of > sets by buyers who only > wanted an extra coach or Pullman and immediately put > up for sale the > observation and combine. > > - Earl Henry, Nashville > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38300	From: kenwoodies1	Date: 1/18/2006
Subject: Re: 661 in set

The 661 coach was available in set number 5011 in 1950. This set consisted of a #334DC UP 4-8-4, 660 ,661,& 663. The 662 dome car did not come in this set. All of the aluminum cars were available for separate sale. Jim Duncan

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38301	From: ED WHELAN	Date: 1/18/2006
Subject: A Perpetual A.F. Library fo all ?

BlankGreetings to All, I'm new to this group but have learned quite a lot in just a few weeks. Is it possible to record our comments in a library of sorts so that our younger AF followers will have a reference to the wealth of knowledge that has been discussed here. We all would like to have one last conversation with our Dad or Grandfather regarding our beloved AF trains just to resolve one last problem, but sadly we can not. There must be a way to store the timeless information discussed in this forum for those individuals who follow us. Perhaps the "Elders" who have been around for a long time can advise the rest of us in a non-profit way. Ed W. Pittsburgh [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38302	From: Randall L. Griggs	Date: 1/18/2006
Subject: Do all LEDs need to have resistors - if only using battery power?

Today, I purchased a (5 pcs) package of "Yeloglo" White LEDs (Miniatronics Corp. 3mm dia. 3-4 VDC, Model #12-310-05) from a local hobby shop and want to know if I really need to install a resistor in series with the Yeloglo LEDs. I am going to power them with 2 regular "C" batteries (in series = ~3.0 volts). There will be no other power source connected to the LEDs. If I DO need a resistor, what would the proper rating requirement be? (The package included 270 & 470 Ohm resistors for powering with higher voltages, but from all the information I've read, I believe I would need a much smaller value.) I am anxious to get an "S" gauge GP-35 'dummy' diesel up and running with the Yeloglo White LEDs as headlights! Thanks for any help you can provide! Regards, Randy Griggs [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38303	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 1/18/2006
Subject: Re: Prices going down on ebay???

Amen on the hit and miss on ebay. I put a rocket transport car on there that is Excellent+ except for one broken fin. I started it at $40 and didn't get a single bid after two tries. A few days later one in lesser condition sold for over $90. Go figure. Steve [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38304	From: jayhoo64	Date: 1/19/2006
Subject: Re: New Lionel

Keith wrote: >I remember the analysis of the new sd-9, ooops , yes >it is a new design truck, despite what the detectives >all claimed about it. I don't recall any "detectives" claiming that the 3-axle truck was not a new design, though I may have missed some messages. The main issue, or in my case the main complaint was about the loco itself, which is merely a GP7 body on these new trucks. Such does not a SD9 make. Chuck F.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38305	From: Alex Sibbald	Date: 1/19/2006
Subject: loco cufflinks

Hi, My Dad has a pair of old Locomotive cufflinks on ebay if anyone is interested. They are definitely not scale, could be tin-plate (8>) The auction number is 5078212422. Alex

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38306	From: mlmarmer	Date: 1/19/2006
Subject: Re: 661 in set

Jim, I just saw your email, as I went to my Greenberg of AF sets and came up with the following: 1950, set 5008A was uncatalogued and it had a 660, 662, and 663. Retail price not known. 1950 5011 $50 had 660,661 & 663 1951 and 1952 Retail $69 Set 5108W had 660,662 & 663 1952 Set 5205W retail 49 had 660,661 and 662 1952 set 5205W uncatalog had a 661 with 500 and 502. So, now I am still not sure why 661 goes for more money then the rest, as it was in quite a few sets. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: "kenwoodies1" <kenwoodies@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 11:29 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: 661 in set > The 661 coach was available in set number 5011 in 1950. This set > consisted of a #334DC UP 4-8-4, 660 ,661,& 663. The 662 dome car did > not come in this set. All of the aluminum cars were available for > separate sale. Jim Duncan > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38307	From: muniman18	Date: 1/19/2006
Subject: dumb question #11

Hope you're not tired of me ....here goes my engine#310 is running slowly had it hooked up to 652-653-654 long trucks and it got around the oval ...but slow. the 293 ran great Question what should I look for ? any help will be listened too Mike

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38308	From: mlmarmer	Date: 1/19/2006
Subject: Re: Prices going down on ebay???

Steve and all, It is really about timing. I purchased a LN without a mark on it, 25052 Caboose for 125 a year ago with no bid. The pictures where not that great, but the description, said no marks on it. It had maybe 3 bids. Then I have seen some in E go for 250 or more. One of those 21130's I was following, not that I need anymore, did not make reserve. He relisted and it went for 780 or something. It was the same 21130, as he called it a baby Hudson. Why? LOL Maybe it was his "baby" from Childhood and he was getting rid of it. Also, I have seen many on Ebay call the direct wire one, the rarer of the two, meaning the plug in version of 1959. I don't understand this, as the direct wire one, was made for two sets from 1960 to 1963. I do see more direct wires on the market, as I had a heck of a time finding a plug in one. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: <boss31@...> To: <mlmarmer@...>; <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 1:58 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Prices going down on ebay??? > Amen on the hit and miss on ebay. I put a rocket transport car on there that > is Excellent+ except for one broken fin. I started it at $40 and didn't get > a single bid after two tries. A few days later one in lesser condition sold > for over $90. Go figure. > > Steve > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38309	From: wpporter@duckburg.us	Date: 1/19/2006
Subject: Re: Do all LEDs need to have resistors - if only using battery pow

Hi Randy and Other Esteemed Colleagues, Give a 120 ohm resistor a try, if you can find one. Radio Shack carries 100 ohms (a little low and may cause failure) and 270 ohms (too high, although two in parallel would be close to what you need). They also carry 150 ohm resistors and that might work OK, but a little dimmer than normal. Another way to do it would be to use a 100 ohm in series with a 22 ohm. That is a pretty close match. These prepackaged resistor packs are pretty cheap (about a buck for 5) and provide a way to experiment. Just try to keep the resistor value above 120. Digkey carries several part numbers of resistor with values of 120. they cost a little more, but, you would get just what you need with a minimum number of parts. ( www.digikey.com ). Here is the arithmetic: 3 volts minus .6 is 2.4 If your LED neds 20 milliamps maximum (if not, let me know what it does need), then 2.4 divided by .020 is 120. In spreadsheet form: 3 VDC input 0.6 0.7 0.020 120 115 0.015 160 153 Good Luck, Bill -- Bill Porter Loxahatchee, Florida > Today, I purchased a (5 pcs) package of "Yeloglo" White LEDs (Miniatronics > Corp. 3mm dia. 3-4 VDC, Model #12-310-05) from a local hobby shop and want > to know if I really need to install a resistor in series with the Yeloglo > LEDs. I am going to power them with 2 regular "C" batteries (in series = > ~3.0 volts). There will be no other power source connected to the LEDs. > > If I DO need a resistor, what would the proper rating requirement be? > (The > package included 270 & 470 Ohm resistors for powering with higher > voltages, > but from all the information I've read, I believe I would need a much > smaller value.) > > I am anxious to get an "S" gauge GP-35 'dummy' diesel up and running with > the Yeloglo White LEDs as headlights! > > Thanks for any help you can provide! > > Regards, > > Randy Griggs

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38310	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 1/19/2006
Subject: Re: 661 in set

Mike...... Careful...... the 5205 w 661 WAS PLASTIC..... Not Aluminium as in the SF set..... The SF 360 / 364 had trouble pulling 4 cars..... ergo 661 Alum was a seperate sale item...and not many were made... 661 came in Alum. and Plastic...... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "mlmarmer" <mlmarmer@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; "kenwoodies1" <kenwoodies@...> Cc: "Ralph Loveless" <ralcor888@...> Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 7:41 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: 661 in set > Jim, > > I just saw your email, as I went to my Greenberg of AF sets and came up > with > the following: > > 1950, set 5008A was uncatalogued and it had a 660, 662, and 663. Retail > price not known. > > 1950 5011 $50 had 660,661 & 663 > > 1951 and 1952 Retail $69 Set 5108W had 660,662 & 663 > > 1952 Set 5205W retail 49 had 660,661 and 662 > > 1952 set 5205W uncatalog had a 661 with 500 and 502. > > So, now I am still not sure why 661 goes for more money then the rest, as > it > was in quite a few sets. > > Mike Marmer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "kenwoodies1" <kenwoodies@...> > To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 11:29 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: 661 in set > > >> The 661 coach was available in set number 5011 in 1950. This set >> consisted of a #334DC UP 4-8-4, 660 ,661,& 663. The 662 dome car did >> not come in this set. All of the aluminum cars were available for >> separate sale. Jim Duncan >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com >> All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! >> >> Enjoy thousands of great photos >> at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail >> Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38311	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 1/19/2006
Subject: Re: Passenger Cars - Rarity of Coach 661/961

Earl...... want 2 tough cars....... try the 24733 Pullman (953 similar) and the combo...... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: <tennsgauge@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 9:41 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Passenger Cars - Rarity of Coach 661/961 >I have been reading the emails about the rarity of coach 661. I did not > realize that the 661 aluminum coach was sold separately from the train > sets due to > 4 cars being too heavy for some of the locos. > > But I would have given another reason for the 661 and 961 cars going for > higher prices than the domes, combines, or observation, and this would > apply to > plastic cars and aluminum cars. > > Everyone wanted an observation car, a dome car, and a combine. The sets > came > with one of each, or in some cases with 2 domes. After you have one > observation and one combine, you don't need another. But if one wanted > their train to > more closely represent the prototype passenger trains, one might prefer to > have several coaches. But only one coach came in a set. So there is more > demand for a coach and possibly no more supply. > > The same scenario exists with the heavyweight cars, except of course, > there > are no domes. Lots of people bought sets with combine, Pullman, and > observation. If one wants additional Pullmans, one usually has to pay > more for one. > > On eBay, or on dealer lists, it is fairly common to see observations and > domes and combines available for sale. But not nearly as many 661/961 > coaches or > 652/952 Pullmans. > > And I expect that there have been many purchases of sets by buyers who > only > wanted an extra coach or Pullman and immediately put up for sale the > observation and combine. > > - Earl Henry, Nashville > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38312	From: Phil K	Date: 1/19/2006
Subject: Re: 661 in sets

Mike -- There were 661s included in six sets, according to my records. Two of the sets included extruded metal 661s -- 5011 and 5011BW. Two others -- 5205W and 5205CWX -- came with chromed plastic 661s. The other two sets -- 135P and 1199 -- were uncatalogued and I'm not sure whether they were plastic or aluminum. Maybe someone else can fill in this information. The four extruded aluminum cars were all sold individually, as well. Here is a breakdown on their frequency in sets: 660 -- in 8 sets total, four of them w/aluminum cars; 661 -- in 6 sets total, two of them w/aluminum cars; 662 -- in 5 sets total, two of them w/aluminum cars; 663 -- in 5 sets total, four of them w/aluminum cars. As I said, some of the sets were uncatalogued. One was a version of the 5205W, which was a "blowout set" assembled in late 1952 by Gilbert exclusively for the Polk Brothers retail furniture and appliance store chain that had a 55-year run here in the Chicago area. They were made up to sell for Christmas 1952, exclusively for Polk Bros., and to make them more appealing, Gilbert threw in 11 different Mini Craft buildings along with the 405 Silver Streak locomotive and chrome (plastic) 660, 661 and 662 passenger cars. The reason Gilbert blew them out was all of the cars and the loco had the "last" of the link couplers. Because this set was specially-made for one regional store chain, I have never seen it referred to in any of the price and set guides. But I have seen maybe 10 of these sets in my wanderings. Most of them are missing the buildings, or whatever buildings are left are in poor shape. Their hide glue and pressboard construction does not hold up well to major temperature swings (like in an attic) or in humid conditions. Phil K **************************************************************** - In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mlmarmer" <mlmarmer@m...> wrote: > > Jim, > > I just saw your email, as I went to my Greenberg of AF sets and came up with > the following: > > 1950, set 5008A was uncatalogued and it had a 660, 662, and 663. Retail > price not known. > > 1950 5011 $50 had 660,661 & 663 > > 1951 and 1952 Retail $69 Set 5108W had 660,662 & 663 > > 1952 Set 5205W retail 49 had 660,661 and 662 > > 1952 set 5205W uncatalog had a 661 with 500 and 502. > > So, now I am still not sure why 661 goes for more money then the rest, as it > was in quite a few sets. > > Mike Marmer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "kenwoodies1" <kenwoodies@a...> > To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 11:29 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: 661 in set > > > > The 661 coach was available in set number 5011 in 1950. This set > > consisted of a #334DC UP 4-8-4, 660 ,661,& 663. The 662 dome car did > > not come in this set. All of the aluminum cars were available for > > separate sale. Jim Duncan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38313	From: mlmarmer	Date: 1/19/2006
Subject: Re: 661 in sets

Thanks Phil, as I just looked at my Greenberg book, after Bob mention that the 5205W was plastic which I see they write as so and the 5011 was aluminum. Thanks for the rest of the story, as now, I can understand more, on why it is of a higher value. I appreciated the work you did on this. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phil K" <waldootten@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 12:01 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: 661 in sets > Mike -- > > There were 661s included in six sets, according to my records. Two > of the sets included extruded metal 661s -- 5011 and 5011BW. > > Two others -- 5205W and 5205CWX -- came with chromed plastic 661s. > > The other two sets -- 135P and 1199 -- were uncatalogued and I'm > not sure whether they were plastic or aluminum. Maybe someone else > can fill in this information. > > The four extruded aluminum cars were all sold individually, as well. > Here is a breakdown on their frequency in sets: > > 660 -- in 8 sets total, four of them w/aluminum cars; > > 661 -- in 6 sets total, two of them w/aluminum cars; > > 662 -- in 5 sets total, two of them w/aluminum cars; > > 663 -- in 5 sets total, four of them w/aluminum cars. > > As I said, some of the sets were uncatalogued. One was a version of > the 5205W, which was a "blowout set" assembled in late 1952 by > Gilbert exclusively for the Polk Brothers retail furniture and > appliance store chain that had a 55-year run here in the Chicago > area. They were made up to sell for Christmas 1952, exclusively for > Polk Bros., and to make them more appealing, Gilbert threw in 11 > different Mini Craft buildings along with the 405 Silver Streak > locomotive and chrome (plastic) 660, 661 and 662 passenger cars. The > reason Gilbert blew them out was all of the cars and the loco had > the "last" of the link couplers. > > Because this set was specially-made for one regional store chain, I > have never seen it referred to in any of the price and set guides. > But I have seen maybe 10 of these sets in my wanderings. Most of > them are missing the buildings, or whatever buildings are left are > in poor shape. Their hide glue and pressboard construction does not > hold up well to major temperature swings (like in an attic) or in > humid conditions. > > Phil K > > **************************************************************** > - In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mlmarmer" <mlmarmer@m...> wrote: > > > > Jim, > > > > I just saw your email, as I went to my Greenberg of AF sets and > came up with > > the following: > > > > 1950, set 5008A was uncatalogued and it had a 660, 662, and 663. > Retail > > price not known. > > > > 1950 5011 $50 had 660,661 & 663 > > > > 1951 and 1952 Retail $69 Set 5108W had 660,662 & 663 > > > > 1952 Set 5205W retail 49 had 660,661 and 662 > > > > 1952 set 5205W uncatalog had a 661 with 500 and 502. > > > > So, now I am still not sure why 661 goes for more money then the > rest, as it > > was in quite a few sets. > > > > Mike Marmer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "kenwoodies1" <kenwoodies@a...> > > To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 11:29 PM > > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: 661 in set > > > > > > > The 661 coach was available in set number 5011 in 1950. This set > > > consisted of a #334DC UP 4-8-4, 660 ,661,& 663. The 662 dome > car did > > > not come in this set. All of the aluminum cars were available > for > > > separate sale. Jim Duncan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > > > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38314	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 1/19/2006
Subject: 3 rail Flyer

Does anybody know if a 0 gage Flyer chassis can be converted to S? I've got either a pacific or Hudson chassis, complete, and NO ZINC PEST!!! Thinking of putting a prewar L Penn torpedo (0-27) boiler on it-John Marganski --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos Got holiday prints? See all the ways to get quality prints in your hands ASAP. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38315	From: geep39	Date: 1/19/2006
Subject: ebay prices falling?

Hey, it could be! If you are able to get around the shilling and "auction fever" on ebay and prices are still falling, then you have a trend. Ebay prices get pushed up by eager bidders who don't have train meets in their area, and "never saw one of them things up for auction before","gotta have it" types, and people who want to protect prices, so they bid prices up, even though they don't buy (try to by an original GM car radio on ebay sometime--the same guy always bids up the price). And, there are the unknowing who don't read the price guide properly and recklessly bid prices up (boy, are they in for a surprise some day). PATIENCE IS A VIRTUE, and will not empty your wallet as quickly! Wait until all the crazies have left the item category, and you'll usually get a better deal.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38316	From: geep39	Date: 1/19/2006
Subject: Re: 661 passenger car rarity

I recall in a relatively recent "AF Collector's Column" in the S Gaugian that ALL of the aluminum cars were produced in equal numbers. I suspect that the price runups of late are due to some of the "experts" in the Flyer collector realm manipulating the price and creating a false shortage. There seems to be a large number of these self-important types around, too,(get a life!) that's why prices are pushed so high. Yeah, I wanted an extra coach for my set of aluminums, too. The secret? BE PATIENT--they show up.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38317	From: Phil K	Date: 1/19/2006
Subject: Re: ebay prices falling?

>>Ebay prices get pushed up by eager bidders who ... want to > protect prices, so they bid prices up, even though they don't buy (try to by an original GM car radio on ebay sometime--the same guy always bids up the price).<< I'm having a hard time understanding this, so please explain. How does one go about bidding up to protect prices on eBay and ending up not having to buy the items at those overblown prices? Seems to me you'd get stuck paying for a lot of overpriced items that way, because you'd end up being the highest bidder all the time. If someone else eventually outbids you, then I guess it doesn't qualify as "bidding up the price" because a second party perceives the winning bid as still being a good value. And if the one same guy keeps bidding up the price on original GM car radios, tell everyone to stop bidding against him and let him buy all of those radios at his inflated bids. I've been an eBay buyer for seven years with 700-plus transactions and from my experience, eBay is fairly receptive to reacting to complaints about fraudulent bidders. The very nature of an auction prevents "bidding up" the prices over the long haul. Phil K ******************************************************************

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38318	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 1/19/2006
Subject: Re: 661 passenger car rarity

That's right...Bob Tufts discovered that information about the production of the aluminum cars from records that Vincent Amato hauled home from the factory. But, I don't think that the sales records have been discovered to match the production numbers. Consumers didn't but too much flyer piece meal, because the sets were priced so handsomely. Buying a single piece most times was a quarter of the price of obtaining the whole set. And, since the Santa Fe engines hardly could make the trip 'round the track with the heavy B-unit and 3 cars, who would add another one anyway? I believe that whatever 661 cars couldn't be moved to dealers were sold for scrap. We were supporting the French with military equipment (90% of their total) when they were fighting the Vietmin from the close of WWII until we got into the game, and with our involvement in Korea in 1950, plastics and precious metals got real scarce. My experiences in the last 30 years, anyone who had flyer knowledge always asked more for the 661 cars (myself included), or wouldn't break up a set of the 4 to sell someone the 661. Fred In a message dated 1/19/2006 3:42:48 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, schwartzsj@... writes: I recall in a relatively recent "AF Collector's Column" in the S Gaugian that ALL of the aluminum cars were produced in equal numbers. I suspect that the price runups of late are due to some of the "experts" in the Flyer collector realm manipulating the price and creating a false shortage. There seems to be a large number of these self-important types around, too,(get a life!) that's why prices are pushed so high. Yeah, I wanted an extra coach for my set of aluminums, too. The secret? BE PATIENT--they show up. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38319	From: Richard Hosmer	Date: 1/19/2006
Subject: Re: ebay prices falling?

Re eBay: Yes, they will try to penalize fraudulent BIDDERS. What I am waiting for is for them EVER to do ANYTHING against some of their scummy SELLERS!! That is the "eBay problem" in a nutshell - and, it makes perfect sense - "when in doubt, follow the money trail". I could better understand that position, several years back, when they were struggling to get it started. But, now that they have succeeded beyond their wildest dreams, and are all filthy rich, putting the boot to some of the bad apples would be a VERY positive move. Dick Hosmer 3/16-O lurker

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38320	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 1/19/2006
Subject: Re: Flyonel's new Heavyweights

Neil lays out a route that Lionel surely considered. However, the catalog copy says, "The American Flyer Alton Limited set features an all-new scale-sized Pacific type locomotive and matching all-new heavyweight passenger cars." Lionel has usually been pretty good at distinguishing the pedigree of the tooling in both S and O. For now, I'll take them at their word, but I agree that it will be interesting to see what transpires. Bob Bubeck In a message dated 1/18/2006 7:50:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, neil.trump@... writes: My understanding of the heavyweights is that they will be re-worked original tooling. As most people are aware, the 954 has the smooth roof, unlike the 952 and 953 that have the ridge line running down the middle. The intention is to create a new peice of roof tooling to complement the 954. I also believe that there is a possibility that we may see the return of the opening doors, as found on the 6xx serries heavyweights. The upgrading of the heavyweights has been in the pipe line for nearly two years now. With regards to the chassis and the trucks, that's anybodies guess. I suppose we'll just to have to wait and see! Regards, Neil T [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38321	From: mlmarmer	Date: 1/19/2006
Subject: Cleaning rails

Since I am really pleased with the cleaning of my Aluminum Passenger cars, I am wondering, if it might be okay to clean the tarnish rails on a Bethlehem Steel gondola. Would doing that hurt the value, as I know in coin collecting that is a no no. The passenger cars, I cleaned, because, I knew it didn't really matter, if it didn't work, since they don't have much value, except for the famous 661 car. (I see a scandal here at the AF factory. Passenger cargate.) And if it did work, which it did, they would be great on the layout and I would not worry about the value harm done. Any thoughts on cleaning these rails, as to the O people on the TCA list, the rails make the car's value, as it is listed in TM for 150 in E, as my is in E+, the car. Mike

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38322	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 1/19/2006
Subject: Re: Cleaning rails

Mike - good buddy - please tell us the name of the product you are using to clean the cars with. Where one can purchase it. Thanks. Jerry M mlmarmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: Since I am really pleased with the cleaning of my Aluminum Passenger cars, I am wondering, if it might be okay to clean the tarnish rails on a Bethlehem Steel gondola. Would doing that hurt the value, as I know in coin collecting that is a no no. The passenger cars, I cleaned, because, I knew it didn't really matter, if it didn't work, since they don't have much value, except for the famous 661 car. (I see a scandal here at the AF factory. Passenger cargate.) And if it did work, which it did, they would be great on the layout and I would not worry about the value harm done. Any thoughts on cleaning these rails, as to the O people on the TCA list, the rails make the car's value, as it is listed in TM for 150 in E, as my is in E+, the car. Mike S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links Jerry Matsick RESPOND TO Mtoytrain@... Jacksonville, Florida TCA 04-57715 NASG --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos Got holiday prints? See all the ways to get quality prints in your hands ASAP. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38323	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 1/19/2006
Subject: 21107 Atlantic

So far I have picked up two of these locos (21107)and both have had broken or cracked chassis. (First one would only have been partly broken if the rocket scientist eBay seller had wrapped it in better than an unscrewed up half sheet of paper!). I am curious about two things - one, why are they so cheap - they dont turn up that often on eBay? Are they more common elsewhere but just despised? Two, are these the only Flyer locos that suffer from die-cast problems? And why would any firm have these problems as late as when the locos were made - I thought manufacturers had learned better by 1950 at the latest. Was the manufacture of the chassis for these in fact contracted out? Alistair

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38324	From: theheadliner	Date: 1/19/2006
Subject: Re: ebay prices falling?

Am I the only guy who collects AF trains that could care less what the book price for an item is if I don't have it and want it. The way I look at it, someone else is going to have to sell my trains after I have kicked the bucket. What do I care what they get for them if they aren't interested enough to keep them. I am not buying them to sell. In my situation, there is probably going to be a fight to see who gets which train as I have 2 kids who would like to have them all and it will probably be their kids who have to worry about what to do with them. I spent more than 40 years as an auctioneer specializing in antiques. It was very, very seldom that anyone with a price guide with them that was the successful bidder on any good item. Price guides are just that. They are a guide of what the prices were last year, or the year before (in some instances depending on printing schedules). If you are a dealer, worry about the price guides, but always allow for inflation and normal rise in prices. If you are a collector, throw the guides away and buy what you want for whatever you have to pay for it and be able to enjoy it. You have to remember that for every collector who lives in an area that has frequent train meets, there are dozens who don't. Even if you do live in one of those "meet" areas, when was they last time you attended one where you found every single item you were looking for. Whenever I am bidding, I hope the other bidders are book worms who are more interested in book prices than expanding their collection. I do know that if I had been worrying about book prices it would not have taken a dedicated 5X8-foot U-Haul trailer to move my collection the last time I moved. Jerry --- On Thu 01/19, geep39 schwartzsj@... wrote: From: geep39 [mailto: schwartzsj@...] To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 20:16:28 -0000 Subject: [S-Trains] ebay prices falling? Hey, it could be! If you are able to get around the shilling and "auction fever" on ebay and prices are still falling, then you have a trend. Ebay prices get pushed up by eager bidders who don't have train meets in their area, and "never saw one of them things up for auction before","gotta have it" types, and people who want to protect prices, so they bid prices up, even though they don't buy (try to by an original GM car radio on ebay sometime--the same guy always bids up the price). And, there are the unknowing who don't read the price guide properly and recklessly bid prices up (boy, are they in for a surprise some day).PATIENCE IS A VIRTUE, and will not empty your wallet as quickly! Wait until all the crazies have left the item category, and you'll usually get a better deal. _______________________________________________ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38325	From: daysend40	Date: 1/19/2006
Subject: AF 18B Transformer

Hi There! I just picked up an 18B AF Transformer. I need to get a new set of carbon rollers and pins. Any ideas who or where I can get them on-line? Thanks Joe Wagner

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38326	From: John Foley	Date: 1/19/2006
Subject: Rich Yoder Models

Hi Folks Rich Yoder called me a short time ago. He is trying to see if S modelers are interested in any of his O brass models being produced in S. So go to Rich Yoder Models at, http://www.richyodermodels.com/ Check out his freight cars and. Let Rich know via his email richyoder@... what car you would like to see in S. Myself I like the NYC container gondola. John Foley NASG Promotions [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38327	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 1/19/2006
Subject: Re: Flyonel 6-48023 GP-9

I have been looking for this engine but seems to be in vain. It is the Sante Fe/Southern Pacific unit with the brilliant, Gold Red and Black color scheme. My question was this engine ever released by Lionel Flyer? Also did American Models ever produce a diesel with this merger color scheme? I wish S Helper did, as I would purchase right away. Jerry Matsick

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38328	From: mlmarmer	Date: 1/19/2006
Subject: Re: Cleaning rails

Jerry, In my original email about this, I mentioned that I used Mother's Mag Wheel Polish, which can be gotten at any Auto Parts store. Another brand was mentioned in the email I saw about this, Mcquires, which I am sure is fine too. Works wonders on Mag Wheels and Aluminum train cars. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: "mlmarmer" <mlmarmer@...> To: "Toy Trains" <toytrains@yahoogroups.com>; <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 5:04 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Cleaning rails > Since I am really pleased with the cleaning of my Aluminum Passenger cars, I > am wondering, if it might be okay to clean the tarnish rails on a Bethlehem > Steel gondola. > > Would doing that hurt the value, as I know in coin collecting that is a no > no. > > The passenger cars, I cleaned, because, I knew it didn't really matter, if > it didn't work, since they don't have much value, except for the famous 661 > car. (I see a scandal here at the AF factory. Passenger cargate.) And if > it did work, which it did, they would be great on the layout and I would not > worry about the value harm done. > > Any thoughts on cleaning these rails, as to the O people on the TCA list, > the rails make the car's value, as it is listed in TM for 150 in E, as my is > in E+, the car. > > Mike > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38329	From: mlmarmer	Date: 1/19/2006
Subject: Re: ebay prices falling?

Jerry, (theheadliner@... Many Jerries on this list!) I agree with you on your ways of collecting AF. I buy most of my AF from Gary Clark at York, who gets top dollar for his items, as he sells only top dollar items. Many make fun of Gary, but you know what, Gary knows that these are one of a kind and someone will sooner or later buy his trains, as he doesn't bargain. Sometimes you luck out on a buy on something, but price does not hold me back, if it something I need for my collection. Do I expect to get the money back I paid for these items? Probably not, as train money I use, is for the enjoyment of the hobby. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "theheadliner" <theheadliner@...> To: <schwartzsj@...>; <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 7:06 PM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] ebay prices falling? > > Am I the only guy who collects AF trains that could care less what the book price for an item is if I don't have it and want it. The way I look at it, someone else is going to have to sell my trains after I have kicked the bucket. What do I care what they get for them if they aren't interested enough to keep them. I am not buying them to sell. In my situation, there is probably going to be a fight to see who gets which train as I have 2 kids who would like to have them all and it will probably be their kids who have to worry about what to do with them. > > I spent more than 40 years as an auctioneer specializing in antiques. It was very, very seldom that anyone with a price guide with them that was the successful bidder on any good item. Price guides are just that. They are a guide of what the prices were last year, or the year before (in some instances depending on printing schedules). > > If you are a dealer, worry about the price guides, but always allow for inflation and normal rise in prices. If you are a collector, throw the guides away and buy what you want for whatever you have to pay for it and be able to enjoy it. > > You have to remember that for every collector who lives in an area that has frequent train meets, there are dozens who don't. Even if you do live in one of those "meet" areas, when was they last time you attended one where you found every single item you were looking for. > > Whenever I am bidding, I hope the other bidders are book worms who are more interested in book prices than expanding their collection. > I do know that if I had been worrying about book prices it would not have taken a dedicated 5X8-foot U-Haul trailer to move my collection the last time I moved. > > Jerry > > > > > --- On Thu 01/19, geep39 schwartzsj@... wrote: > From: geep39 [mailto: schwartzsj@...] > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 20:16:28 -0000 > Subject: [S-Trains] ebay prices falling? > > Hey, it could be! If you are able to get around the shilling and "auction fever" on ebay and prices are still falling, then you have a trend. Ebay prices get pushed up by eager bidders who don't have train meets in their area, and "never saw one of them things up for auction before","gotta have it" types, and people who want to protect prices, so they bid prices up, even though they don't buy (try to by an original GM car radio on ebay sometime--the same guy always bids up the price). And, there are the unknowing who don't read the price guide properly and recklessly bid prices up (boy, are they in for a surprise some day).PATIENCE IS A VIRTUE, and will not empty your wallet as quickly! Wait until all the crazies have left the item category, and you'll usually get a better deal. > > _______________________________________________ > No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. > Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38330	From: Phil K	Date: 1/19/2006
Subject: Re: Flyonel 6-48023 GP-9

Jerry -- That one is the Y2K Southern Pacific/Santa Fe "transition" paint in anticipation of the merger that never happened. While none of the guides list it as hard-to-find, your post reminded me that I've only seen one for sale on eBay and none at train shows in the last five years. How many were made is anyone's guess. To me, it is about as "available" on the market as a NIB New York Central passenger set. The one on eBay sold for $340, according to my notes. Phil K ****************************************************************** --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Jerry Matsick" <jpmatsick@y...> wrote: > > I have been looking for this engine but seems to be in vain. > It is the Sante Fe/Southern Pacific unit with the brilliant, Gold Red > and Black color scheme. My question was this engine ever released > by Lionel Flyer? Also did American Models ever produce a diesel with > this merger color scheme? I wish S Helper did, as I would > purchase right away. > > Jerry Matsick >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38331	From: Eric & Jean	Date: 1/19/2006
Subject: Looking for Vince Brunette

Anyone have an updated email for Vince Brunette of Lees Summit, MO. He does not appear to be returning emails! Thanks, Eric Reis Kenmore, Wa. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38332	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/19/2006
Subject: the new heavyweights

Hi all, Niel T's comments on the heavyweights matches what I had been told. My comment was, "why opening doors?" They make the body weaker, and, while nice for "play" value, we are running our trains more than pretending to put passengers in and out of them (except for the antimated station car). One thing we operators could really use are new bases for the heavyweights, as the platic ACG used shrinks, and most of the bases are way too small for the cars. I have inquired was to why no one has made these, and the most logical response I got was that they are too large for the plactic injection machines the our suppliers have. Bummer. Now if the Flyonel cars use the same bases, Big L will make a killing selling parts--if they realize that! As for the trucks, they already have upgraded the tooling for the three axle trucks, so economy of production suggests they use what's already in hand. All conjecture on our part. It is interesting to note that they will get probably full orders before we've even seen what the product will look like! S' David D. PS, I noted that many of the accessories in the rest of the catalog are also touched up "concept" images. Whole lotta stuff not yet even prototyped for catalog photos! PSS still haven't passed that stone, but got lotsa drugs in me. so ignore more than my usual rambling.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38333	From: joan dienst	Date: 1/19/2006
Subject: 21140 Northern Question

I have picked up a 21140 Northern Engine and a plastic tender. it is in nice shape with a large motor, but it is missing the trailing truck.. I cannot find one locally for the 21140.. I have purchased a trailing truck for a "336". Is the 336 the same and will the drawbar from the tender to the engine work with the 336 wheels ? Does anyone have an original trailing truck for the 21140 that they would like to sell.. you can contact me at...mike-joan41428@...<mailto:at...mike-joan41428@...>.. thx Mike Fuschetto Itasca, Illinois [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38334	From: Phil K	Date: 1/20/2006
Subject: Re: 21140 Northern Question

The original part number for the 5-digit Northern trailing truck is XA14B837. The same part for 3-digit Northerns is XA10002. I'm not sure of the difference, but I do know the 3-digit 4-8-4 trailing truck is the same as for Hudsons. Hobby Surplus lists the XA14B837 on its website, but the part is back- ordered. Maybe one of our "house" parts guys can help you, although I didn't see the 5-digit version on Doug Peck's web catalog. Phil K --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "joan dienst" <mike-joan41428@m...> wrote: > > I have picked up a 21140 Northern Engine and a plastic tender. it is in nice shape with a large motor, but it is missing the trailing truck.. I cannot find one locally for the 21140.. I have purchased a trailing truck for a "336". Is the 336 the same and will the drawbar from the tender to the engine work with the 336 wheels ? Does anyone have an original trailing truck for the 21140 that they would like to sell.. you can contact me at...mike-joan41428@m...<mailto:at...mike- joan41428@m...>.. > > thx > Mike Fuschetto Itasca, Illinois > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38335	From: glenn allen	Date: 1/20/2006
Subject: Re: New Lionel

There has been much talk about the new Lionel stuff. What are manufacturers such as Lionel like when it comes to actually producing what they promise. In Europe we seem to be blessed with companies that sow no end of new products in their catalogues only to have to wait years for it to actually appear. One company I deal with at least put up a wish list, given enough pre-orders they then produce the model, and thats on an old fashioned production line with no computer assistance and multi pass painting system. Others just keep delaying things, in a particularly bad year most items are just re-paints of previous offers. Not that that is so bad as it allows the purchaser to build up an inventory of different numbered vehicles. On the question of disappearing thrid rail under coaches, have you not considered that the lead vehicle is fitted with a vacuum cleaner? yes folks......this train sucks! ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Photos – NEW, now offering a quality print service from just 8p a photo http://uk.photos.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38336	From: keefer1	Date: 1/20/2006
Subject: heavies

david dewey typed " Now if the Flyonel cars use the same bases, Big L will make a killing selling parts--if they realize that! from the catalog text "PASSENGER CARS FEATURE: # Die-cast metal trucks # Metal frame" Probably not interchangable . keith __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38337	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 1/20/2006
Subject: Re: the new heavyweights

In a message dated 1/20/2006 12:37:03 AM Central Standard Time, djdewey@... writes: One thing we operators could really use are new bases for the heavyweights, ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---------------------------------------- I agree but we also need improved six wheel trucks, ones with improved rollability and appearance, but especially rollability. - Earl Henry, Nashville [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38338	From: Don	Date: 1/20/2006
Subject: Cleaning track

This may be a dumb question but I don't want to make a mistake. My 1949 AF book says to clean track with fine sandpaper. I'm assuming this would be after setup. I have about 120' or so of track in boxes. I've checked them all for shorts. Can I clean this track with a fine grade motorized wire wheel without scratching it up? If not, is there some other alternative to hand sanding? Some of the pieces have small rust spots that need to be removed. I managed to get 8 switches working and am now waiting for Barkers CD to work on the Mystic station and several working freight cars. Any suggestions would be helpful. This set has been in boxes for the last 45 years but still seems to be in pretty good shape. Any suggestions would be appreciated.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38339	From: femiro2002@yahoo.com	Date: 1/20/2006
Subject: PENNSY K 5's

PENNSY K 5's These photos are from Mr. Quinn of NY and photo credit is all his. It is most likely ACG modeled 5898. http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/femiro2002/detail?.dir=/62f6&.dnm=625d.jpg&.src=ph&.tok=ph.t7REBf0VvdcqV [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38340	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 1/20/2006
Subject: Re: Cleaning track

VERY fine wire wheel, we use ScotchBrite GREEN pads on ours. Might just need wiping off with a cloth dampened with alcohol to clean off the grease/build-up. Only the surface matters for operation, most rail in use is only clean on the top. Jim "building with two rails in Paradise" Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38341	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 1/20/2006
Subject: Re: Cleaning track

Working through this myself right now... Track: I decided to use a low powered bench grinder fitted with a 4" metal brush. AF seems to have a tinting / coating on the rails. So polish too long and it comes off. Then I use one of those track eraser cleaners to really get it clean and polished. Emery cloth is also an option. For metal it is a better choice than sand paper meant for wood. I would always finish with the track eraser, and then use that during normal layout operation. Switches: Well, a full HOWTO will be forth coming. I use a small metal brush on a battery powered drill to clean the rails, then the track eraser cleaner for final polishing. There are many steps behind taring it most of the way down and building it back up good as new. I've come across a wide variety of reasons for stiff action, there are several points of failure possible. Other than holding the switch sideways so as to not get the coils wet, do not be afraid to take a good scrubbing brush, lemon sent liquid floor cleaner, and warm water to switches, diamonds, and rerailers. Scrub it good, cool water rinse, and towel dry all details right away. Result is a time machine back to 1950! ;-) Contacts on the switches polish up with either emery cloth or the small metal brush on a Dremel tool. Then I have a testing station to see that both the coils for movement and the contacts for track power all operate properly once put back together. A light bulb is a good load to test the contacts with. Anyway, details l8r. Blessings! Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38342	From: bobsegilia	Date: 1/20/2006
Subject: unknown transformer

I submitted a photo titled " unknown transformar" Can anyone tell me anything about this transformer ? It is approx. 53 years old . Thanks in advance , Bob

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38343	From: wintermutedm	Date: 1/20/2006
Subject: Re: unknown transformer

I am sure someone else could be more specific, but I think it looks to be from the prewar years: note the Chicago Ill. under the American Flyer logo. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "bobsegilia" <segie@p...> wrote: > > I submitted a photo titled " unknown transformar" Can anyone tell me > anything about this transformer ? It is approx. 53 years old . Thanks > in advance , Bob >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38344	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 1/20/2006
Subject: Re: New Lionel

Hay, the train just entered duel gauge trackage where the two foot gauge runs the same right-of-way as the 4' 8 1/2 " runs. Can't you see that? jfred On the question of disappearing thrid rail under coaches, have you not considered that the lead vehicle is fitted with a vacuum cleaner? yes folks......this train sucks! ______________________________ --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38345	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 1/20/2006
Subject: Re: Flyonel 6-48023 GP-9

In a message dated 1/19/2006 9:54:32 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, jpmatsick@ yahoo.com writes: I have been looking for this engine but seems to be in vain. It is the Sante Fe/Southern Pacific unit with the brilliant, Gold Red and Black color scheme. My question was this engine ever released by Lionel Flyer? Also did American Models ever produce a diesel with this merger color scheme? I wish S Helper did, as I would purchase right away. Jerry Matsick Jerry, Flyer released the SF merger GP-9 in 1997 Volume III catalog. No one apparently had much interest in this piece until it came out, expecting the dealers to discount it even further. Lionel only made what they had orders for, and the thing became scarce overnight. Fred [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38346	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 1/20/2006
Subject: Re: ebay prices falling?

In a message dated 1/19/2006 7:12:00 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, theheadliner@... writes: You have to remember that for every collector who lives in an area that has frequent train meets, there are dozens who don't. Even if you do live in one of those "meet" areas, when was they last time you attended one where you found every single item you were looking for. Good point...The last time that I can recall having the time of my life purchasing everything I wanted was in the 70's. Fred [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38347	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 1/20/2006
Subject: Re: 21140 Northern Question

Mike, you sure the tender is plastic? Should be metal. Harwood [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38348	From: Art Shifrin	Date: 1/20/2006
Subject: Converting prewar AF 3/16s engines to S

Having done this the other way around, I'm familiar with these challenges. A 3/16s O chassis is too wide to enable proper spacing of the drivers. The walls of the casting in the vicinity of the drivers are too thin to enable milling of the piece (an equal amount off of the two sides). Assuming that you'd have to pay someone to do it such machining would be far too costly as compared to simply buying a 'distressed' two rail specimen and then proceeding with your experiment. In the case of the 556 I'm not sure if the rod slots within the pistons are present to turn it into a 350. For the other engines whose piston assemblies are removable, they have to be swapped from the wider O to narrower S. Also, the eccentric assemblies are a bit different. And of course, the shorter S driver axles have to replace the longer O ones. For those of you who are not interested in the progenitor of S (3/16s O), scroll down NOW to the last paragraph for a discussion of replacing tinplate tenders on 300s & 350s. I've done a considerable # of conversions from S to O, which is much more feasible than O to S because the S engines' chassis are thinner than their O counterparts. When I first started to do this to add smoking, I barely modified the engines. I acquired kluge-worthy smoking tenders and merely drilled a hole in the engine's smokestack. But liking to run LONG trains, I subsequently decided that the significantly additional weight of smoking tenders was not desirable. That's why I haven't undertaken adding SIT assemblies to Northern tenders. The S chassis accept the longer but otherwise identical O axles. They are easily shimmed with #8 washers (I use brass). There's not enough clearance at the bottom of the S chassis to install the center rail pickups. So the pickup is achieved by using pickups on both tenders' trucks & running a wire. That was the design of the O 565 and 574 (300 & 342). IF you're doing this with a Hudson or Northern and are unwilling to have 4 wheel trucks on them, then you either have to fabricate a center rail pickup for their trucks, or use other trucks. Using the 6 wheel trucks of the Pullman and heavyweight cars works, because they're designed to accept the center rail pickups. These trucks are costly because they have to be harvested from cars that are usually very costly, even in distressed condition. I've not bothered to convert my two refinished Northerns because the smoke's not important to me. I like the mechanical chuffing of S steamers, but that's not enough to have gotten me involved in designing a center rail pickup for those handsome sintered side frame trucks. So those two boys are mute and will most likely remain so. However I've put the 6 wheel tinplate trucks on two Northerns' tenders which are mated to a pair of B & O bullets. This is a beautiful engine whose tinplate tender cheapens the combination (my opinion). Analogously, the 565's tinplate tender cheapens that too. I use diecast Pennsy tenders with those Atlantics. In both cases, the engines take on a much more hefty aura. One of the refinished bullet's done in black for freight service. The other of course, is in dark blue. The passenger cars are of course done in the same blue. I dislike the white window frames of most 495s so when I refinished them, instead of priming and painting those assemblies, I thoroughly wire wheeled and them sprayed them with colorless lacquer. I created a rear platform observation car by cutting off the end of a 534 (diecast heavyweight). These can be viewed in the gems form junk section of the trains half of my website, which is www.shifrin.net. Best, Shiffy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38349	From: Phil K	Date: 1/20/2006
Subject: Re: 21140 Northern Question

Harwood -- The 21140 came either with a 3-piece metal tender or a one-piece plastic tender. My 21140 is like Mike's. The 21139 came only with the metal tender. Phil K ************************************************************* --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, HOwingsiii@a... wrote: > > Mike, you sure the tender is plastic? Should be metal. > > Harwood

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38350	From: mlmarmer	Date: 1/20/2006
Subject: Ebay pricing

Here is two examples of pricing in different directions as they are of the same number and condition. Both are 21130 Hudson in LN condition with all 4 steps. Sold this month. 6028071770 went for $760 6026600458 went for $382 This item list as a "guide" for 650 in E. So it is hit or miss. Mike Marmer

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38351	From: mlmarmer	Date: 1/20/2006
Subject: Re: 21140 Northern Question

Greenberg book confirms it came both ways. That doesn't sound too good! LOL Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phil K" <waldootten@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 3:30 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: 21140 Northern Question > Harwood -- > > The 21140 came either with a 3-piece metal tender or a one-piece > plastic tender. My 21140 is like Mike's. > > The 21139 came only with the metal tender. > > Phil K > > ************************************************************* > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, HOwingsiii@a... wrote: > > > > Mike, you sure the tender is plastic? Should be metal. > > > > Harwood > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38352	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 1/20/2006
Subject: Re: ebay prices falling?

In a message dated 1/20/2006 3:46:59 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, schwartzsj@... writes: > Good point...The last time that I can recall having the time of my life > purchasing everything I wanted was in the 70's. > > Fred AHA! You make my point exactly! Ah, the '70's, when prices were cheap, "instant experts" who wouldn't make a move without sticking their nose into a price guide were very few (so were price guides), and the "experts" and "wannabe experts" were rare, too. People bought stuff because they liked it. You could go to a Lionel guy and pick up AF stuff cheap because he wanted to get rid of it. And, the "sharpies" were picking up stuff from the unknowing. That's right--there was TONS of stuff out there, and everybody was (especially guys selling flyer) glad to unload it. We just kept turning the stuff over, load after load, week after week. Fred [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38353	From: Phil K	Date: 1/20/2006
Subject: Value and minor repair/restorations

Of course, the big deal regarding 21130s (besides cosmetic appearance) is whether they have all four plastic tender steps intact and original. I think it was you, Mike, who had an issue awhile back where an eBay seller (TCA guy, correct?) tried to pass off a 21130 tender with repaired steps as being "all original." As an aside, I love those guys who constantly say they don't care about what their trains are worth and are strictly involved in the hobby as operators, they don't give a hoot about price guides, blah, blah, blah. Funny, but why then do they display their rarest (and most valuable) pieces on shelves for every visitor to see? Did you ever notice in layout videos and photo spreads in magazines that guys are running consists including Penn Salt and Baker's Chocolate tankers, 5-digit Northerns and those funky red Baldwins, Pig Palace stock cars, etc? Yeah, like those are the cars they run everyday. Hardly. More like "Hey, everybody, look what I got!" Sorry, I digress My point is this -- as scarce as some of these pieces are today -- someday in the near future they will be totally acceptable to collectors even though they have a repaired step or two, a couple of replacement driver wheels, etc., as long the minor repair/minor restoration is done well. Not at the same value level as a mint condition version, but still good enough to invest in and display. Look at some of the 1800s furniture they show on "Antiques Roadshow" that has a replacement leg, chair rungs, etc. Those pieces are still worth a lot of money today, and are highly prized by collectors. I'd venture to say the same thing will happen to post-war Flyer. Take a look at what some of the dented, rusted Chicago Flyer (pre 1938) O gauge stuff is selling for on eBay these days. Even sets that have been excellently 100 percent restored are commanding high prices. In the last few months, for example, a banged-up, rusted UP City of Denver set sold for $425, and a well-done, full restoration of the same set sold for $900. The same set in excellent-minus, non- restored condition sold for $1100. What do you guys think? By the way, I'll be happy to take any 21130s with those nasty broken tender steps off your hands, and I'll even pay for the shipping! Phil K ******************************************************************* --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mlmarmer" <mlmarmer@m...> wrote: > > Here is two examples of pricing in different directions as they are of the > same number and condition. > > Both are 21130 Hudson in LN condition with all 4 steps. > > Sold this month. > > 6028071770 went for $760 > 6026600458 went for $382 > > This item list as a "guide" for 650 in E. > > So it is hit or miss. > > Mike Marmer >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38354	From: frank emiro	Date: 1/20/2006
Subject: Fwd: Re: [S-Trains] Dying lamb or You got mail

To clarify, The cost of the Engine ( list price ) is $599.00 and not $699.00, my typo mistake. The lamb or email is when the power is turned off. Again, SHS has done an outstanding job on this engine and is a great performer ( as is all of their products ). My issue is that Dallee has had great sounds in their past sound systems, but, I feel they dropped the ball on this magnificent engine. Frank Emiro. Note: forwarded message attached. --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38355	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/20/2006
Subject: Re: unknown transformer

***(((I submitted a photo titled " unknown transformar" Can anyone tell me anything about this transformer ? It is approx. 53 years old . Thanks in advance , Bob)))**** And just where IS this photo? Rick. ************************************************************** Moderator's note: Rick, click on the "photos" link on the left side of this page. ************************************************************** S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38356	From: Don Thompson	Date: 1/20/2006
Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: [S-Trains] Dying lamb or You got mail

Dear Frank (and friends), The sound I believe Frank is referring to, is the capacitor discharge after 30 to 60 seconds with the power off. This is the same discharge that is part of our Switcher produce. I am told the reason is due to the small size of the sound unit. For the sound unit to fit in the switchers and the tender, some of the capacitors had to be made much smaller. Although this is not a prototype sound for a steam locomotive or diesel, we felt it did not detract from our product. On the other hand, we have joked with customers that have heard the sound for the first time that this is our end of the run crew chatter and when the engineer gets out of his seat, the beans he had for lunch kick in. Hey, I think everyone should get one of our switchers or 2-8-0 just to experience this sound. Best regards (and still LOL), Don PS Dallas actually went to a great deal of research and work to find B&O E-27 sounds for the whistle, bell and chuffs. We at SHS owe him and Bob Board who located the recordings a hugh thank you for helping us with this project. frank emiro wrote: >To clarify, The cost of the Engine ( list price ) is $599.00 and not $699.00, my typo mistake. The lamb or email is when the power is turned off. Again, SHS has done an outstanding job on this engine and is a great performer (as is all of their products)..... > Frank Emiro. > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38357	From: Gerald Dobbs	Date: 1/20/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2920

Message: 1 Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 08:57:53 -0800 (PST) From: john isn't eddie anymore <druvnik@...> Subject: 3 rail Flyer Does anybody know if a 0 gage Flyer chassis can be converted to S? I've got either a pacific or Hudson chassis, complete, and NO ZINC PEST!!! Thinking of putting a prewar L Penn torpedo (0-27) boiler on it-John Marganski JOHN There are plenty of good bodies around to restore this to original, I have a lot of bodies that I put S gage motors under them, they are almost similar, the cylinders are wider in O loco. Jerry 77-11644

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38358	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 1/20/2006
Subject: Re: Cleaning track

You guys are all working too hard at track cleaning. Go take a look at the track cleaning cars on ebay being offered by SnS trains. Or go to their web site at _www.s-scaletrains.com/s-n-s_ (http://www.s-scaletrains.com/s-n-s) Steve [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38359	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 1/20/2006
Subject: Re: ebay prices falling?

Jerry You are not the only guy who collects what he wants..... I do too..... Example I bid on one item that was at 710.00..... wanted it, cat is around 800, so i put in a snipe bid of over 2000.00.... someone tried to out snipe me at 720..... got it for 730..... Flyer HO set....... Speedee bilt kits I have bid twice the value....... Because I wanted it...... I enjoy my collecting because thats whats fun for me....... don't drink or smoke...... I too run some stuff....... But someday it will be someones elses problems........ However I am now going to part with some of it now..... because of room........ and yes I have several 661's in alum..... 1 in each set and extras...... So collect what makes you happy!!!!!! Bob

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38360	From: colleenandrob	Date: 1/20/2006
Subject: 928 log car (4259 ) Pressed wood or not?

I have a 928 log car which is gray in color. How can I tell if it is the pressesd word version? I also have a black 928. Is the grey color a sign it is a pressed wood car? I also have 946 search light car in grey which I beleive is pressed wood also. Am I on the right track? Thanks, Rob

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38361	From: Doug Peck	Date: 1/20/2006
Subject: Six replies

(1)<<<18B AF Transformer. I need to get a new set of carbon rollers and pins.>>> Readily available......ours are $1.50 each, roller & pin. (2) <<<<if it might be okay to clean the tarnish rails on a Bethlehem Steel gondola.>>> NO WAY! Most of the value of that car is those rails! Leave 'em oxidized! (3) <<<<Mother's Mag Wheel Polish,>>>> Another good product that we use is "Weenol"....very similar, I'm sure. (4) <<<Now if the Flyonel cars use the same bases, Big L will make a killing selling parts--if they realize that!>>> Lionel has flatly stated, "We're not in the parts business." They have no great interest in stocking or selling parts. Try ordering a quantity of a common item (e.g, let's say "50 diesel plastic horns", and they only send you two). And they will not sell replacement couplers (if you really wanted them); or they will sell you the rear passenger truck for the observation car, but they won't sell you the trucks with a coupler on them! Enough said....... Actually, I've been pondering making the heavyweight chasses for over a year now.....we already make decent (I think) resin castings of all the heavyweight shells, and we even have a heavyweight RPO shell to go with the set. And we have complete heavyweight truck "kits". So I've been considering a run of chasses as well (note----these would be resin, not injected). Still haven't committed to it though. (5) <<<Is the 336 the same [as a 21140] and will the drawbar from the tender to the engine work with the 336 wheels?>>>> There are two differences in these two trailing trucks. The top surface of the 332/336 trailing truck has a "step" to it; the top of the 5-digit trailing truck is flat the entire length. Secondly, the rear end of the 336 truck has a simple strap across it, between the two sideframes; the 5-digit version has a taller strap with a slot in it. The 5-digit drawbar passes through this slot, preventing the truck from flopping around. Repros of the 5-digit truck have not been made for 10+ years, as far as I know. (6) <<<Can I clean track with a fine grade motorized wire wheel?>>> NO....especially if the track has already been laid. Tiny metal wires are going to break off your tool, and will eventually be picked up by the magnetic field of the motor as the engine passes over.......trouble! Best method, whether track has been set up or not......use a Scotch-Brite pad (grocery store), either dry or with rubbing alcohol. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: http://www.portlines.com E-mail: doug@... VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38362	From: mlmarmer	Date: 1/20/2006
Subject: Re: Value and minor repair/restorations

Phil, I forgot to mention, that I did find that engine at York, two months later, the plug in version for 400, 235 dollars less than the Ebay price I bid for the one that had the glued steps. So, it works at York and shows too. Again,, it is about timing, meaning how many people are in the market for that item at that time. Mike

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38363	From: mlmarmer	Date: 1/20/2006
Subject: For what it's worth

Robert mention that Rolling Stone Magazine had a article on Neil Young and that Lionel was only mentioned ONCE. He did write once in capitals. I wrote back that Rolling Stone is not a train magazine and I think if Lionel was mention once, that was quite a bit, as 99.5% of it's readers don't care about trains. How many TCA members beside Robert reads Rolling Stone. So, since I am a Young fan, and thanks to Robert for mentioning the interview, I purchased Rolling Stone at Border's. I thought I would write a bit of what was written, "for what it's worth". First, there is a nice picture on the cover of RS of Neil. Very Stern looking. Oh, before I forget, my wife said too bad it wasn't done in Playboy! Nice excuse for me to get the magazine. JUST KIDDING. Well, they did interview Jimmy Carter once and that got him in a heap of trouble. Hee Hee. The article did mentioned his illness with the aneurysm and how that came about, as doctors took a leg blood vessel out to use in a later operation, which started to bleed badly, when walking. They got him to hospital in time. It mentioned his father, Scott, a Toronto Sports Writer, who wrote several books on hockey. His father wrote a book, "Neil and Me" which I tried to order on Amazon, but it was out of stock last year. Neil contracted polio as a child and it nearly killed him. My Mom had polio and I know what she went through all her life. Like her, it effected his walking. While recovering, it mentioned that he would draw trains with either hand. The article did go into great detail of his childhood and his parents. They moved to FL for his health. He loved the cars in America, as cars in Canada where much older duller. Sorry, Ken Keki, any truth to this? LOL It mentions that Neil never did drugs and why. I always joke with my friends and I mention this before here, that while Crosby, Stills and Nash where strung up on stuff, Neil was out looking for trains, reason why CSN got rid of Neil. O:)! Yes, the writer only mentions Lionel by name once in the piece, but it did mention that Neil is part owner and works with the company's R&D department. And that one of the things he help with was Rail Sounds. It mentions that he recorded the train noises and install them on chips inside the toy trains. They mention that Neil's manager said it sounds like Amtrak coming through. I think for what this magazine is, they wrote quite a bit about his part with Lionel and trains. I don't see TCA Quarterly writing about Neil Young at all. I am not even sure if they mention his illness, as someone mention he got flowers from TCA lately. I sure didn't hear from TCA with all my eye troubles last year for example, 6 surgeries. Later in the piece, he was telling the writer how he writes his songs and how he records them quickly, not to fool with any changes. He showed the writer a book he used to write lyrics for latest CD and how in the book of lyrics was drawings of toy train controllers to control trains, of course, another mention of toy trains. Neil told the writer, that maybe the two will connect somehow, someday. So, overall, I think the article had more about that trains than Robert made me believe. I think the article overall was very good, as he did mention his family in bits, as the main jest of the article is about his music which suits me just fine as a fan. So, for what it is worth, I am pleased with the generous mention of Lionel and trains. Rust Never Sleeps ( A fine LP of his) Anyone catch the other meaning of For What It's Worth? O:)! I hope I broke no TTML rules in writing about a fine TCA member, Neil Young. "Stop, hey, what's that sound Everybody look what's going down" (Amtrak, LOL) S.Stills Mike Marmer

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38364	From: mlmarmer	Date: 1/20/2006
Subject: Re: Value and minor repair/restorations

Hi Phil, Yes, that was me, getting the 21130 with "All steps present, nothing broken" as the seller wrote, as I won it for $635 a fair price for a 21130 in that condition. And he took it back, blaming me, for not asking if the steps were glued, as he stated TCA grading. I sent two letters to TCA and they did nothing to him, not even a letter. Yes, the sellers on these 21130's said basically the same on these engines, so I was comparing a apple to apple, using their honesty. It will be interesting to follow on the feedback, to see how the buyers like the engines. Of course, I left negative feedback for the TCA guy on Ebay. Me, personally, I display all my AF on my shelves, including my BAR, Rath, Domino's, 21129, Bakers, Penn Salt, Gilbert tank, etc., but I really wonder what I will get back for them in 20 years, as the interest in trains fade. I think there will be interest in the rarer items, however, but who knows what the market will bare at that time. Hopefully, it will not be money I will be needing, as I have that taken care by doing other things, like 401K investing. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phil K" <waldootten@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 4:32 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Value and minor repair/restorations > Of course, the big deal regarding 21130s (besides cosmetic > appearance) is whether they have all four plastic tender steps > intact and original. I think it was you, Mike, who had an issue > awhile back where an eBay seller (TCA guy, correct?) tried to pass > off a 21130 tender with repaired steps as being "all original." > > As an aside, I love those guys who constantly say they don't care > about what their trains are worth and are strictly involved in the > hobby as operators, they don't give a hoot about price guides, blah, > blah, blah. Funny, but why then do they display their rarest (and > most valuable) pieces on shelves for every visitor to see? Did you > ever notice in layout videos and photo spreads in magazines that > guys are running consists including Penn Salt and Baker's Chocolate > tankers, 5-digit Northerns and those funky red Baldwins, Pig Palace > stock cars, etc? Yeah, like those are the cars they run everyday. > Hardly. More like "Hey, everybody, look what I got!" > > Sorry, I digress > > My point is this -- as scarce as some of these pieces are today -- > someday in the near future they will be totally acceptable to > collectors even though they have a repaired step or two, a couple of > replacement driver wheels, etc., as long the minor repair/minor > restoration is done well. Not at the same value level as a mint > condition version, but still good enough to invest in and display. > > Look at some of the 1800s furniture they show on "Antiques Roadshow" > that has a replacement leg, chair rungs, etc. Those pieces are still > worth a lot of money today, and are highly prized by collectors. > > I'd venture to say the same thing will happen to post-war Flyer. > Take a look at what some of the dented, rusted Chicago Flyer (pre > 1938) O gauge stuff is selling for on eBay these days. Even sets > that have been excellently 100 percent restored are commanding high > prices. In the last few months, for example, a banged-up, rusted UP > City of Denver set sold for $425, and a well-done, full restoration > of the same set sold for $900. The same set in excellent-minus, non- > restored condition sold for $1100. > > What do you guys think? By the way, I'll be happy to take any 21130s > with those nasty broken tender steps off your hands, and I'll even > pay for the shipping! > > Phil K > > ******************************************************************* > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mlmarmer" <mlmarmer@m...> wrote: > > > > Here is two examples of pricing in different directions as they > are of the > > same number and condition. > > > > Both are 21130 Hudson in LN condition with all 4 steps. > > > > Sold this month. > > > > 6028071770 went for $760 > > 6026600458 went for $382 > > > > This item list as a "guide" for 650 in E. > > > > So it is hit or miss. > > > > Mike Marmer > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38365	From: Mark Preman	Date: 1/20/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2921

S-Trains@yahoogroups.com wrote: There is 1 message in this issue. Topics in this digest: 1. PENNSY K 5's From: ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 1 Date: 20 Jan 2006 08:49:02 -0800 From: Subject: PENNSY K 5's PENNSY K 5's These photos are from Mr. Quinn of NY and photo credit is all his. It is most likely ACG modeled 5898. http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/femiro2002/detail?.dir=/62f6&.dnm=625d.jpg&.src=ph&.tok=ph.t7REBf0VvdcqV [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Mark B. Preman AmericanFlyerTrains.com --------------------------------- What are the most popular cars? Find out at Yahoo! Autos [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38366	From: jjmemmer@aol.com	Date: 1/20/2006
Subject: Heavyweight frames

I seem to remember seeing replacement heavyweight frames at a past S Fest.I think they were made by the guy who makes Zephyrs and GM Aerotrain.He also had HW shells in baggage,Baggage-mail,and diner to match Gilbert HW cars.I think they were made of some type of resin.Anyone have more input on this? Jerry [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38367	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 1/20/2006
Subject: Greenberg York Pa train show 1/21-22/06

Hi all, Anybody going to this event? I'll be there, going walkabout. Look me up and we'll all do lunch. Fred PS; Lunch will probably be the only good thing happening....... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38368	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/21/2006
Subject: Re: Cleaning track

**((ScotchBrite GREEN pads ))** Works for me with little effort. Rust takes a little MORE effort! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38369	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 1/21/2006
Subject: Re: Greenberg York Pa train show 1/21-22/06

I hope to get there, and look forward to seeing all again. Dick Aurora, OH -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of fredstrainparts@... Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 11:31 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Greenberg York Pa train show 1/21-22/06 Hi all, Anybody going to this event? I'll be there, going walkabout. Look me up and we'll all do lunch. Fred PS; Lunch will probably be the only good thing happening....... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38370	From: FEZANDPAZ@aol.com	Date: 1/21/2006
Subject: Re: Cleaning rails

I use a product called Simichrome. It has been around for over 35 years that I know of. You can buy it from most smaller motorcycle shops for about $5.00. It is made in Germany. I have tried most of the aluminum polish products on the market over the last 38 years of riding a bike[MC] and none has been better than Simichrome. It comes in a tube and is the consistency of tooth paste. The less polish you use the better it works,[turns paper or rag black] I use paper towels they work better than rags and seem to help in the burnishing process. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38371	From: Donald Munsey Jr.	Date: 1/21/2006
Subject: For Sale - Lionel 100th ANniversary Alarm Clock

I've been going through my father-in-law's estate items and he had one of the Lionelville 100th Anniversary alarm clocks. It is in like new condition, just a little dusty (I'm not sure he ever used it - but - I put batteries in it to test it - it does work). I have the certificate of authenticity (#0350398), instruction sheet and AC power adapter (sorry, the BOX got tossed). I'd like to get $30 plus $10 shipping. If anyone is interested, contact me at dmunseyjr@... to make arrangements. THNX. Don Munsey, Jr. Sn42 logging fan and VGN Rwy fan living in the UpperRightCorner of Louisiana. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38372	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 1/21/2006
Subject: Re: 21140 Northern Question

Well then, you have a really rare bird there. I asked around of some of my old collector friends, never seen one in 30 years. Fred, you got any input on this. Maybe there are some 21145s with a plastic tender out there some place. Harwood [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38373	From: Phil K	Date: 1/21/2006
Subject: Re: 21140 Northern Question

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, HOwingsiii@a... wrote: > > Well then, you have a really rare bird there. I asked around of some of my > old collector friends, never seen one in 30 years. Fred, you got any input > on this. Maybe there are some 21145s with a plastic tender out there some > place. > > Harwood **************************************************************** Hi Harwood -- As someone pointed out already, the latest edition of the Greenberg book about American Flyer rolling stock lists both style tenders for the 21140. When I bought mine at a show, I admit I wondered about paying four figures for a Northern with a plastic tender. But I decided to first look it up before questioning the seller, because he's an old friend with a great reputation for his outstanding integrity. So when I got home, I did consult the book to satisfy my own curiosity and found out it indeed was legit. I also wonder what percentage of 21140s came out of the factory with the plastic tenders. And how many 21140s were actually produced and sold. Help, anyone? BTW, the seller was John Heck. Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38374	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 1/21/2006
Subject: AF Wiring Color Code

K, just checked my collection of Gilbert operating guides to verify I was right... ever notice they had no color suggestion for 7-15v track power? 15v yel, common black. Any suggestions of a good color to pick that will not bump into colors used by operating accessories? I don't have many yet, semaphore I guess has the most colors in use of what few accessories I do have. TIA!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38375	From: Gary Chudzinski	Date: 1/21/2006
Subject: Re: Track Cleaning

Track Cleaning Get a centerline track cleaning car and use Goo-Gone for dirt and grease removal as suggested in their website! For rust, use a mild abrasive paper on a block of balsa or stiff sponge material. After that, regular use of the track cleaning car is sufficient......even more often if you have smoke. Very simple maintenance! http://www.centerline-products.com/ Gary Chudzinski

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38376	From: jt12313	Date: 1/21/2006
Subject: Flyonel geep dynamic brake/fan housing wanted.

Hello all, I am nearly done with my "Gilbert version" of a DD35A using old flyonel geep bodies. It's amazing on what you can do with a saw, strip plastic and a file:) Does anyone out there have any loose dynamic brake pieces that flyonel used on their geep shells so I can finish the fans on the topside of the shell Please contact off list if you have anything in your junk drawer. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38377	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 1/21/2006
Subject: Re: AF Wiring Color Code

You guys are all hilarious! Of the tree private responses thus far, TWO votes for pink! Around here, my electrical work all gets done in EMT. http://s-scale.org/albums/albuo79 My alternate pair color for 20A recep circuits is a Pink/Purple pair, so it's not like I would be offended by pink! ;-) The other vote was for white, interesting. I've actually got more white than pink spare I think. White was the isolated track section color for the semaphore... I might just keep white as the power for isolated sections actually. Blue, Purple, Brown were listed by one person as "never used" by Gilbert, so maybe I will pick one of those. Actually, I think my blue supply is pretty good right now. So maybe it will be blue/black to the tracks. Thanks! Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38378	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/21/2006
Subject: Polishing--aluminum cars & track.

Hi all, Here I am, a nice Sat. sitting at the computer waiting for that @#@!! kidney stone to pass. Too much drugs to drive anywhere or use power tools! So, thought I'd chime in on the polishing questions. First, aluminum passenger car bodies are completely different than ACG rail. Aluminum will take to polishing, and then will oxidize slowly (unless you clear coat it, or wax it to prevent the air from getting to it--which is why aluminum is anodized, and also why non-anodized aluminum curtain rods get black on your hands-or towels you lay on them. Flyer rail, on the other hand is steel (or tin?) with a coating of other material on it to prevent rust, but allow electrical condution. Depending on the production run, it can be black anodizing (also called bluing), zinc, cadmium, or tin. These different materials leave different sheens to the rail, and also oxidize differently. Polishing them will take off most of this surface plating, and (because of the complicated shape of the rail) is nearly impossible to do evenly. When we polish the tops of our track, we do wear through the plating, but the constant (hopefully) operation of our trains on the track prevents rust from forming (as does the eventual coating of smoke fluid oil!) As for the Bethleham Steel rail gon, the natural oxidation of the rails to a dull finish is normal--I would not touch those rails! And you can't really take apart a straight track piece to make the rails as the crimping for the ties gives the "replica" away. I once bought a box of junk track for parts and then found a complete gon load in the box!! Mine has been missing a rail since before I got it back in the '60s. As for the aluminum cars, gee I hate to reveal my "secret" but here goes-- I disassemble the car, push out the drive rivits that hold on the name boards and set these parts aside carefully (so I don't lose them!). I usually put them in a plastic zip bag. If the roof has any scratches, I wet sand them with fine grit, usually ending up with 1,600 or 2,000 grit paper. I also round off any dings in the fluting. Then I go to my polishing stand (in my case, a pedestal grinder with a polishing wheel on it) and polish the body with the final polish being red rouge. One has to be careful with this process, as a polishing wheel will grab any adge and fling the polished object across the room (gee, how'd I know that??). I don't know if the observation car tails were plated, but they will polish up pretty nicely. Then the car can be reassembled, and you now have a gleeming "new" car. I don't know if they left the factory that shiny, I kind of doubt it, but if you don't wax the car, it will eventualy oxidize to a nice dull sheen that is probably closer to the original finish--this can take some time though! BTW, if you are VERY VERY careful, you can do the same thing to smooth out the tops of the solid color plastic coaches (X55 ones). But this can quickly go the wrong way too! Well that's enough for now, getting woozie. If ya got em, run 'em S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38379	From: jt12313	Date: 1/21/2006
Subject: Any home machinists on the list???

I had an interesting idea on how to put trucks under my "Gilbert" DD35A last night. Have a piece of steel/aluminum machined in a stretch version of a Baldwin truck body that would accept Baldwin wheelsets and an aftermarket motor kit...ok I still have to make the sidefames but... So... do we have any home machinist out there with access to machine tools? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38380	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 1/21/2006
Subject: Re: 21140 Northern Question

The 21140 and 21139 that I have here are both metal tenders. Steve [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38381	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 1/21/2006
Subject: Re: 21140 Northern Question

I missed something...... did someone say the 21140 came with a metal tender?????? rev in tender...thats the way my boxed one is...... figured someone messed with it..... tell me more....... my 21130 has a metal tender too with rev in tender...... with the boxes..... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phil K" <waldootten@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 12:00 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: 21140 Northern Question > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, HOwingsiii@a... wrote: >> >> Well then, you have a really rare bird there. I asked around of > some of my >> old collector friends, never seen one in 30 years. Fred, you got > any input >> on this. Maybe there are some 21145s with a plastic tender out > there some >> place. >> >> Harwood > > **************************************************************** > > Hi Harwood -- > > As someone pointed out already, the latest edition of the Greenberg > book about American Flyer rolling stock lists both style tenders for > the 21140. When I bought mine at a show, I admit I wondered about > paying four figures for a Northern with a plastic tender. But I > decided to first look it up before questioning the seller, because > he's an old friend with a great reputation for his outstanding > integrity. > > So when I got home, I did consult the book to satisfy my own > curiosity and found out it indeed was legit. > > I also wonder what percentage of 21140s came out of the factory > with the plastic tenders. And how many 21140s were actually > produced and sold. Help, anyone? > > BTW, the seller was John Heck. > > Phil K > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38382	From: Phil K	Date: 1/21/2006
Subject: Hot rumor about heavyweights

Okay, so the new Flyonel four-car heavyweight sets will have two coaches, a combination car and an observation car. The word is the doors will NOT open. Plus, I just heard from a reliable source [aren't they all?] that Flyonel has already planned tooling for a pair of add-on cars: a baggage car and dining car, issue date TBA. Remember, ya heard it here foist. Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38383	From: FEZANDPAZ@aol.com	Date: 1/21/2006
Subject: Re: Polishing--aluminum cars & track.

I was referring to the aluminum car bodies when I suggested Simichrome. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38384	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 1/21/2006
Subject: Re: 21140 Northern Question

Harwood, In the 30+ years of buying, selling, and collecting Flyer, I've never seen a 21140 Northern with a plastic tender. Of course, I've only fondled about 5 of them in the past 30+ years. I've also never seen a 21145 with a plastic tender. The only plastic tender that comes to mind here besides the usual atlantic's, pacific's, etc., is the 21130 hudson. Fred In a message dated 1/21/2006 11:53:34 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, HOwingsiii@... writes: Well then, you have a really rare bird there. I asked around of some of my old collector friends, never seen one in 30 years. Fred, you got any input on this. Maybe there are some 21145s with a plastic tender out there some place. Harwood [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38385	From: Alex Sibbald	Date: 1/21/2006
Subject: ludicrous

Collectors may want to erase this email immediately. An empty Gabe box just sold on ebay after 20 bids, for $184.84. I know for a fact that there are durable, exciting, American Flyer trains sitting on shelves, unused due to a lack of layout space. I can appreciate putting a pristine engine under glass on a shelf display for all to admire and appreciate, however, it is ludicrous to me to imagine a collection of expensive, useless, 50 year old empty boxes sitting on shelves, deteriorating. How about putting that old empty box under glass for all to marvel at or run that box around the layout once for me please. To put it into perspective, A.C. Gilbert was famous for his wonderful trains, not his wonderful boxes. Run them if you got them, Alex [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38386	From: mlmarmer	Date: 1/21/2006
Subject: Re: Polishing--aluminum cars & track.

Thanks David, as I decided with the help from Bob Bubeck, it is best to leave the rails alone on that Gondola. As for the Passenger cars, you are saying it is okay to put a "wax" on them, after polishing them? If so, any type of wax? Thanks, Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Dewey" <djdewey@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 1:31 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Polishing--aluminum cars & track. > Hi all, > Here I am, a nice Sat. sitting at the computer waiting for that @#@!! > kidney stone to pass. Too much drugs to drive anywhere or use power tools! > So, thought I'd chime in on the polishing questions. > First, aluminum passenger car bodies are completely different than ACG rail. > Aluminum will take to polishing, and then will oxidize slowly (unless you > clear coat it, or wax it to prevent the air from getting to it--which is why > aluminum is anodized, and also why non-anodized aluminum curtain rods get > black on your hands-or towels you lay on them. > Flyer rail, on the other hand is steel (or tin?) with a coating of other > material on it to prevent rust, but allow electrical condution. Depending on > the production run, it can be black anodizing (also called bluing), zinc, > cadmium, or tin. These different materials leave different sheens to the > rail, and also oxidize differently. Polishing them will take off most of > this surface plating, and (because of the complicated shape of the rail) is > nearly impossible to do evenly. When we polish the tops of our track, we do > wear through the plating, but the constant (hopefully) operation of our > trains on the track prevents rust from forming (as does the eventual coating > of smoke fluid oil!) As for the Bethleham Steel rail gon, the natural > oxidation of the rails to a dull finish is normal--I would not touch those > rails! And you can't really take apart a straight track piece to make the > rails as the crimping for the ties gives the "replica" away. I once bought a > box of junk track for parts and then found a complete gon load in the box!! > Mine has been missing a rail since before I got it back in the '60s. > As for the aluminum cars, gee I hate to reveal my "secret" but here goes-- I > disassemble the car, push out the drive rivits that hold on the name boards > and set these parts aside carefully (so I don't lose them!). I usually put > them in a plastic zip bag. If the roof has any scratches, I wet sand them > with fine grit, usually ending up with 1,600 or 2,000 grit paper. I also > round off any dings in the fluting. Then I go to my polishing stand (in my > case, a pedestal grinder with a polishing wheel on it) and polish the body > with the final polish being red rouge. One has to be careful with this > process, as a polishing wheel will grab any adge and fling the polished > object across the room (gee, how'd I know that??). I don't know if the > observation car tails were plated, but they will polish up pretty nicely. > Then the car can be reassembled, and you now have a gleeming "new" car. I > don't know if they left the factory that shiny, I kind of doubt it, but if > you don't wax the car, it will eventualy oxidize to a nice dull sheen that > is probably closer to the original finish--this can take some time though! > BTW, if you are VERY VERY careful, you can do the same thing to smooth out > the tops of the solid color plastic coaches (X55 ones). But this can quickly > go the wrong way too! > Well that's enough for now, getting woozie. > If ya got em, run 'em > S' > David D. > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38387	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 1/21/2006
Subject: Re: 21140 Northern Question

WHERE ARE THE REVERSE UNITS?..... I was thinking mine was just put together from parts....... the Northern and Hudson both have 4 wires from the Metal tenders to the engine....... both are LN and have the OB's...... Maybe they are correct. ?..... I always thought the tenders were plastic on the Hudson and Metal on the Northerns and the reverse was on the engine...... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: <boss31@...> To: <HOwingsiii@...>; <mike-joan41428@...>; <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 1:46 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 21140 Northern Question > The 21140 and 21139 that I have here are both metal tenders. > > > Steve > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38388	From: mlmarmer	Date: 1/21/2006
Subject: Re: Six replies

Thanks Doug too, for the reply about those rails, as I did know the value is in the rails, basically. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Peck" <doug@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 10:10 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Six replies > (1)<<<18B AF Transformer. I need to get a new set of > carbon rollers and pins.>>> > Readily available......ours are $1.50 each, roller & pin. > > (2) <<<<if it might be okay to clean the tarnish rails on a Bethlehem > Steel gondola.>>> > NO WAY! Most of the value of that car is those rails! Leave 'em oxidized! > > (3) <<<<Mother's Mag Wheel Polish,>>>> > Another good product that we use is "Weenol"....very similar, I'm sure. > > (4) <<<Now if the Flyonel cars use the > same bases, Big L will make a killing selling parts--if they realize that!>>> > Lionel has flatly stated, "We're not in the parts business." They have no great interest in stocking or selling parts. Try ordering a quantity of a common item (e.g, let's say "50 diesel plastic horns", and they only send you two). And they will not sell replacement couplers (if you really wanted them); or they will sell you the rear passenger truck for the observation car, but they won't sell you the trucks with a coupler on them! Enough said....... > Actually, I've been pondering making the heavyweight chasses for over a year now.....we already make decent (I think) resin castings of all the heavyweight shells, and we even have a heavyweight RPO shell to go with the set. And we have complete heavyweight truck "kits". So I've been considering a run of chasses as well (note----these would be resin, not injected). Still haven't committed to it though. > > (5) <<<Is the 336 the same [as a 21140] and will the drawbar from the tender to the engine work with the 336 wheels?>>>> > There are two differences in these two trailing trucks. The top surface of the 332/336 trailing truck has a "step" to it; the top of the 5-digit trailing truck is flat the entire length. Secondly, the rear end of the 336 truck has a simple strap across it, between the two sideframes; the 5-digit version has a taller strap with a slot in it. The 5-digit drawbar passes through this slot, preventing the truck from flopping around. Repros of the 5-digit truck have not been made for 10+ years, as far as I know. > > (6) <<<Can I clean track with a fine grade motorized wire wheel?>>> > NO....especially if the track has already been laid. Tiny metal wires are going to break off your tool, and will eventually be picked up by the magnetic field of the motor as the engine passes over.......trouble! > Best method, whether track has been set up or not......use a Scotch-Brite pad (grocery store), either dry or with rubbing alcohol. > > > Doug Peck > Port Lines Hobby Supply > 6 Storeybrooke Drive > Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 > Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). > 978-465-8798 > 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) > Website: http://www.portlines.com > E-mail: doug@... > VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38389	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 1/21/2006
Subject: Re: Greenberg York Pa train show 1/21-22/06

Fred, Sorry to miss you, Linda and I arrived around 11AM. Not sure what makes a 300 table Greenburg Show worth 7 bucks per. 600 table Allentown is only 6 bucks as you know, MUCH better attended and we get to talk to Mr Schwartz. Keystone is only 3 IF you pre-register. Spoke to several dealers, some doing well, some disappointed in the turnout and sales. Bought a Lionel Plastic trolley for the Kids Korner thing I'm doing for Keystone, the Lionel Shirts guys tested it for me. The candy guy was awake when we walked past. Still curious about the 7 bucks. Jim [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38390	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 1/21/2006
Subject: Re: Greenberg York Pa train show 1/21-22/06

In a message dated 1/21/2006 6:45:26 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, WJJIM writes: Still curious about the 7 bucks Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38391	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 1/21/2006
Subject: Re: ludicrous

Maybe, just maybe, the buyer is a collector who bought an original box for an original Gabe without a box. <wink> Bob Bubeck In a message dated 1/21/2006 7:14:17 PM Eastern Standard Time, innotron@... writes: An empty Gabe box just sold on ebay after 20 bids, for $184.84. I know for a fact that there are durable, exciting, American Flyer trains sitting on shelves, unused due to a lack of layout space. I can appreciate putting a pristine engine under glass on a shelf display for all to admire and appreciate, however, it is ludicrous to me to imagine a collection of expensive, useless, 50 year old empty boxes sitting on shelves, deteriorating. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38392	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 1/21/2006
Subject: Re: Hot rumor about heavyweights

Well, not rumor. Fact. The descriptions in the new Lionel catalog for the UP heavyweights are, "The 4-pack (6-48976) features a combination car, a coach, a diner, and an observation car. The 2-pack (6-48978) features a baggage car and a coach." No mention of the doors, but the car types and set groupings are clearly stated. Bob Bubeck In a message dated 1/21/2006 5:01:53 PM Eastern Standard Time, waldootten@... writes: Okay, so the new Flyonel four-car heavyweight sets will have two coaches, a combination car and an observation car. The word is the doors will NOT open. Plus, I just heard from a reliable source [aren't they all?] that Flyonel has already planned tooling for a pair of add-on cars: a baggage car and dining car, issue date TBA. Remember, ya heard it here foist. Phil K [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38393	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 1/21/2006
Subject: Sunday Chat, 1/22/2006, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 38394	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 1/21/2006
Subject: Re: Deland Florida Train Show!

What could be better than 80 degrees and a bright sunny day in Florida, going to a train show, which was great at the Fairgrounds at Deland Florida. Purchased several Flyonel cars, got to see my good buddy, Erney Alewine. Also Mark Preman, Bill Trappen, Earl Beeglerr, Chuck Smith, did not see Arnie Travitsky or Bob Conner, the fun of these meets is to meet true and honest train men, who are up front and honest in their dealings with our favorite past time. Have any of you run into a model railroader that isn't honest? ask me? I have! Jerry Matsick Jax Jerry Matsick RESPOND TO Mtoytrain@... Jacksonville, Florida TCA 04-57715 NASG --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38395	From: muniman18	Date: 1/21/2006
Subject: engine 310

Does any one have a wiring diagram of a 310 have the k- line book but it doesn't show that one I'll give my fax # if you have one thanks in advance Mike

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38396	From: Bruce Papky	Date: 1/21/2006
Subject: Track cleaning...no longer drudgery.

On Friday, January 20, 2006, Steve Blackburn wrote: <<You guys are all working too hard at track cleaning. Go take a look at the track cleaning cars on ebay being offered by SnS trains. Or go to their web site at _www.s-scaletrains.com/s-n-s_ (http://www.s-scaletrains.com/s-n-s) >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I concur. Last year, I bought one of SnS's AF gondolas outfitted with their track cleaning equipment from Doug Peck (who, by the way, added an AF repro canister on either side of the track cleaning motor for an excellent balanced look), and couldn't be more pleased. I periodically run it around my layout behind my Flyonel Docksider, which seems a perfect little workhorse for such a track cleaning task, and the track gleams. If you don't have one of SnS's track cleaning cars yet, I highly recommend that you get one. Cleaning track is no longer tiresome. It's fun! Bruce [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38397	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 1/21/2006
Subject: Re: ludicrous

Its ludicrous to me also, but I am not a collector. I just imagined that someone who paid a whole lot for an empty box was purchasing it to go with his mint condition ACG product which was lacking a box, thus completing the mint product in original (oops, did I really say original ?) box. But $184.84 for a box ? But then I am not a collector so I really can't know what it is like to be in a collector's shoes. - Earl Henry, Nashville [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38398	From: Robert Graves	Date: 1/21/2006
Subject: Re: ludicrous

Personally, I agree, but Alex missed the point: the buyer undoubtedly had an Excellent or better Gabe with no box. The box supposedly adds 10% to the value of the item! Let's see, an Excellent Gabe books at $910 so the box adds $91 ... The guy paid $184.84? Alex Sibbald <innotron@...> wrote: Collectors may want to erase this email immediately. An empty Gabe box just sold on ebay after 20 bids, for $184.84. I know for a fact that there are durable, exciting, American Flyer trains sitting on shelves, unused due to a lack of layout space. I can appreciate putting a pristine engine under glass on a shelf display for all to admire and appreciate, however, it is ludicrous to me to imagine a collection of expensive, useless, 50 year old empty boxes sitting on shelves, deteriorating. How about putting that old empty box under glass for all to marvel at or run that box around the layout once for me please. To put it into perspective, A.C. Gilbert was famous for his wonderful trains, not his wonderful boxes. Run them if you got them, Alex [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38399	From: Scott Holm	Date: 1/21/2006
Subject: Re: ludicrous

How about 180 for an engine wrapper?! http://tinyurl.com/8eqde I have the opposite problem. Too many boxes that I don't know where to store. I have to keep them so my heirs get the best price, but until their sold, they're useless to me. Everything I have is on display and eligible for operation. tennsgauge@... wrote: Its ludicrous to me also, but I am not a collector. I just imagined that someone who paid a whole lot for an empty box was purchasing it to go with his mint condition ACG product which was lacking a box, thus completing the mint product in original (oops, did I really say original ?) box. But $184.84 for a box ? But then I am not a collector so I really can't know what it is like to be in a collector's shoes. - Earl Henry, Nashville [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Yahoo! Autos. Looking for a sweet ride? Get pricing, reviews, & more on new and used cars. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38400	From: paflyrman	Date: 1/21/2006
Subject: 21140 Northern Plastic Tender

Could someone verify that by saying they have a 21140 with plastic tender, they indeed do mean that the tender is identical to the metal tender only made of plastic? Or is it possibly a 5 digit Hudson, Pacific, or Atlantic type tender? I ask this because before I finally saw a 21140, I thought the plastic drivers were plastic versions of the metal northern drivers. Then when I saw one up close, I realized they were just 21130 type plastic drives. That kind of took some of the magic out of the 21140 for me. Mine has a metal tender. paflyrman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38401	From: Art Shifrin	Date: 1/21/2006
Subject: Shiffy wants to know...

Hi Gang, 1. Is it specifically known on what dates and in which venues Gilbert first showed S to the trade and to the public? 2. By when did dealers have the first '46 catalogs in hand to show to prospective retail customers? 3. By when were the first S sets shipped to the distributors? 4. In what issues of which trains / hobby magazines were the first ads touting S? TANX, Shiffy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38402	From: Phil K	Date: 1/21/2006
Subject: Re: ludicrous

An original ACG Northern wrapper in E condition with a clear stamp usually sells for $150 to $200. That's because about five percent of the Northerns sold on eBay have a wrapper, and guys trying to fill out complete boxed sets need things like clean wrappers and brick boxes. They're hard to come by because most people treated them like disposables, which they sorta were. And it seems like the Lionel collectors in the TCA are a bit obsessed with boxes, too. Just my perception from looking at some of the ads in the older issues of the National HQ News. Phil K ******************************************************** --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Scott Holm <imsscott@y...> wrote: > > How about 180 for an engine wrapper?! > > http://tinyurl.com/8eqde > > I have the opposite problem. Too many boxes that I don't know where to store. I have to keep them so my heirs get the best price, but until their sold, they're useless to me. Everything I have is on display and eligible for operation. > > > tennsgauge@a... wrote: > Its ludicrous to me also, but I am not a collector. I just imagined that > someone who paid a whole lot for an empty box was purchasing it to go with his > mint condition ACG product which was lacking a box, thus completing the mint > product in original (oops, did I really say original ?) box. > > But $184.84 for a box ? But then I am not a collector so I really can't > know what it is like to be in a collector's shoes. > > - Earl Henry, Nashville > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Autos. Looking for a sweet ride? Get pricing, reviews, & more on new and used cars. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38403	From: Phil K	Date: 1/21/2006
Subject: Re: Hot rumor about heavyweights

Ooops -- I guess was so excited about all the goodies in the new catalog, I must have glossed over the UP 2-pack thinking the pictures were part of the set itself. That's why when I heard this morning about the dining car and baggage wagon I got so excited. Mea culpa. However, my post also intended to mean that we'll also see Chicago & Alton two-packs available soon, as well. I also hear that in an effort to generate additional revenue, Flyonel will be reissuing original set boxes and wrappers. Just kidding, but what an interesting thought, eh? Bet the TCA police would just go nuts over something like that. Regarding the TCA's new, much more-complicated grading system: I often wonder if they are so anal about proper grading and policing reproduction parts solely because they're trying to protect the value of what they already have in their own collections. BTW, I'm a longtime TCA member, but that doesn't mean I automatically agree with everything they do or am not allowed to have an opinion about it. *************************************************************** --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, rbubeck327@a... wrote: > > Well, not rumor. Fact. > > The descriptions in the new Lionel catalog for the UP heavyweights are, "The > 4-pack (6-48976) features a combination car, a coach, a diner, and an > observation car. The 2-pack (6-48978) features a baggage car and a coach." No mention > of the doors, but the car types and set groupings are clearly stated. > > Bob Bubeck > > > > In a message dated 1/21/2006 5:01:53 PM Eastern Standard Time, > waldootten@a... writes: > Okay, so the new Flyonel four-car heavyweight sets will have two coaches, a > combination car and an observation car. The word is > the doors will NOT open. > > Plus, I just heard from a reliable source [aren't they all?] that Flyonel has > already planned tooling for a pair of add-on cars: a > baggage car and dining car, issue date TBA. > > Remember, ya heard it here foist. > > Phil K > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38404	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/22/2006
Subject: ACG product question (sorry, not a train)

I was looking over a 1966 ACG catalog, and page 11 is dedicated to a "Lite-a-Tune Piano." A toy grand piano that holds music that tells the player which note to play by lighting the key. Does anyone know if this product was actually produced? Thanks! S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38405	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 1/22/2006
Subject: New photos added to STUMPY'S STUFF

I have just added five new pix to the S Trains "Photos" section and rearranged the STUMPY'S STUFF album so that they show first. With all the posts recewntly about track cleaning and track cleaning cars, I finally got around to a shot of my "John Allen style" car. This uses a piece of Masonite (hardboard) dragging along the rails under what WAS a scrap Flyer 633. I've used this type of car for years in many scales. Next we have another boxcar saved from the junk box and turned into the "Boxcar on Fire", an operating car Gilbert never thought of (probably for good reason!) This one uses a Suethe smoke unit and headlight from a junked LGB set loco. Kids love it! Now we come to a salvaged tank car repainted into the Flatulene Fuels livery. Flatulene is one of my On30 creations by the way. The decals are made by my buddy Mike Yoakam at Hamm River Model Products. We now move to a couple of scenes from my 4x6' layout. You will notice I did some work on the backgrounds as what was behind the layout is a mess! First up is a lady in a 47 Pontiac convertable waiting for the train to pass. She is a MTH figure in a "Dub City" car modified to look more normal. The loco is a Putt Mogul. The next photo shows a couple of loggers discussing the days work. These are Fun & Games Figures people, the car is a "Sat. Evening Post" diecast and the log truck is a modified Hartoy truck. I'll post more layout photos as I get around to reworking the backgrounds, I just figured out how to do that! Stumpy Stone...Creative Imagineer in Martins Ferry, OH.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38406	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 1/22/2006
Subject: Owl Nesting Season has started.

Hello Friends, Some of you folks know that I enjoy watching the owls that nest in my yard. This year we have a new box with 2 internal camera, and one external. Last night the female owl entered the owl box, and laid an egg. An egg takes about a month in incubate. The owlets fledge (fly away) about a month after hatching. If you would like to hear more about the owls, feel free to join my owl list. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/owl_watch/ I average a weekly newsletter, with notes and links to recent pictures. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38407	From: Alex Sibbald	Date: 1/22/2006
Subject: missed the point??

Yes I do understand that the presence of an "original" box increases the selling price of the item by an appreciable amount. My point is that a vender supplied item, the box, which A.C. Gilbert didn't even manufacture and very conservatively cost less than 1 % of the total cost of goods sold, now commands 20% of the current resale value of the item which is already gazillion % over what it sold for initially. I am no math major but this indicates that the cardboard box appreciated many times more than the actual Gilbert item inside. That's ludicrous! Cardboard is subject to moisture, mice, rot, insects, humidity, bending, tearing, fade and natural deterioration. You can't play with it and it doesn't even really protect the item from being damaged, which is what its function originally was. Imagine if S-Helper or American Models sent their items out in something as crude and useless. as that Gabe box. Or picture coming home and finding that wonderful ebay bargain waiting for you. Imagine carefully unpacking and gently discovering your new $184.84 acquisition, a slightly smelly, old, but only slightly worn, cardboard box. Ludicrous! By the way, I also have a large, cardboard box full of slightly smelly, old, cardboard boxes with A.C. Gilbert's name on them that I have to keep because they came with the items that I purchased on ebay. I can't use them for actual storage as the flaps just keep falling off. Each flap is worth so much. When a box is rated a 3 in a field of 10 is there any point to passing it on anyway? Oh well, I guess that I am storing the boxes for the future caretakers of my trains so that they too can store them as I did as the boxes slowly.. but surely..disintegrate. Ludicrous! Back to running my trains, Alex

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38408	From: rkuepper	Date: 1/22/2006
Subject: Re: New photos added to STUMPY'S STUFF

Lookin' good, Stumpy! Keep 'em coming. Dick Kuepper Aurora, OH -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Stumpy Stone Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 9:01 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] New photos added to STUMPY'S STUFF I have just added five new pix to the S Trains "Photos" section and rearranged the STUMPY'S STUFF album so that they show first. With all the posts recewntly about track cleaning and track cleaning cars, I finally got around to a shot of my "John Allen style" car. This uses a piece of Masonite (hardboard) dragging along the rails under what WAS a scrap Flyer 633. I've used this type of car for years in many scales. Next we have another boxcar saved from the junk box and turned into the "Boxcar on Fire", an operating car Gilbert never thought of (probably for good reason!) This one uses a Suethe smoke unit and headlight from a junked LGB set loco. Kids love it! Now we come to a salvaged tank car repainted into the Flatulene Fuels livery. Flatulene is one of my On30 creations by the way. The decals are made by my buddy Mike Yoakam at Hamm River Model Products. We now move to a couple of scenes from my 4x6' layout. You will notice I did some work on the backgrounds as what was behind the layout is a mess! First up is a lady in a 47 Pontiac convertable waiting for the train to pass. She is a MTH figure in a "Dub City" car modified to look more normal. The loco is a Putt Mogul. The next photo shows a couple of loggers discussing the days work. These are Fun & Games Figures people, the car is a "Sat. Evening Post" diecast and the log truck is a modified Hartoy truck. I'll post more layout photos as I get around to reworking the backgrounds, I just figured out how to do that! Stumpy Stone...Creative Imagineer in Martins Ferry, OH. S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38409	From: Phil K	Date: 1/22/2006
Subject: Re: New photos added to STUMPY'S STUFF

Great stuff, Stumpy! You have a real gift! Good-lookin' buildings, too. How about kitbashing an outhouse to set near the Flatulene tanker? (You might even hook up a pipe connecting the two, a funny scene for layout visitors.) Just keep the burning boxcar away from that tanker!!! Phil K -- Thinking along those lines after my wife cooked Polish sausage and sauerkraut for dinner last night. ******************************************************************* --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Stumpy Stone" <mrstumpy@c...> wrote: > > I have just added five new pix to the S Trains "Photos" section and > rearranged the STUMPY'S STUFF album so that they show first. > With all the posts recewntly about track cleaning and track > cleaning cars, I finally got around to a shot of my "John Allen > style" car. This uses a piece of Masonite (hardboard) dragging along > the rails under what WAS a scrap Flyer 633. I've used this type of > car for years in many scales. > Next we have another boxcar saved from the junk box and turned into > the "Boxcar on Fire", an operating car Gilbert never thought of > (probably for good reason!) This one uses a Suethe smoke unit and > headlight from a junked LGB set loco. Kids love it! > Now we come to a salvaged tank car repainted into the Flatulene > Fuels livery. Flatulene is one of my On30 creations by the way. The > decals are made by my buddy Mike Yoakam at Hamm River Model Products. > We now move to a couple of scenes from my 4x6' layout. You will > notice I did some work on the backgrounds as what was behind the > layout is a mess! First up is a lady in a 47 Pontiac convertable > waiting for the train to pass. She is a MTH figure in a "Dub City" > car modified to look more normal. The loco is a Putt Mogul. > The next photo shows a couple of loggers discussing the days work. > These are Fun & Games Figures people, the car is a "Sat. Evening > Post" diecast and the log truck is a modified Hartoy truck. > I'll post more layout photos as I get around to reworking the > backgrounds, I just figured out how to do that! > Stumpy Stone...Creative Imagineer in Martins Ferry, OH. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38410	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 1/22/2006
Subject: Re: missed the point??

Anyone think of asking the guy that bought the box why he collects empty boxes? I saw a box about 3 years ago (Empty) sell for over $500. I wrote the guy that bought it & his reply was it was the last box he needed for his "COLLECTION". Just about every one of E-Bay & non E-Bay members Collect things. After writing that guy that spent $500+ for the box I really don't question why anyone collects "Whatever" I have a few collections of oddball items such as law sprinklers & hose nossles. There are a lot of people that look at train collections as really odd. Why would grown men & women (Hi Barb) collect trains? Just my 2cents Mike ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38411	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 1/22/2006
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] Greenberg York Pa train show 1/21-22/06

In a message dated 1/21/2006 7:17:13 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, WJJIM@... writes: Fred, Sorry to miss you, Linda and I arrived around 11AM. Not sure what makes a 300 table Greenburg Show worth 7 bucks per. 600 table Allentown is only 6 bucks as you know, MUCH better attended and we get to talk to Mr Schwartz. Keystone is only 3 IF you pre-register. Spoke to several dealers, some doing well, some disappointed in the turnout and sales. Bought a Lionel Plastic trolley for the Kids Korner thing I'm doing for Keystone, the Lionel Shirts guys tested it for me. The candy guy was awake when we walked past. Still curious about the 7 bucks. Jim Jim, Sorry I missed you also. I was there till about 2. Spent a great deal of time in my usual York smoking lounge. Fred [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38412	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 1/22/2006
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] Greenberg York Pa train show 1/21-22/06

In a message dated 1/22/2006 5:56:38 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, fredstrainparts@... writes: Fred, Sorry to miss you, Linda and I arrived around 11AM. Not sure what makes a 300 table Greenburg Show worth 7 bucks per. 600 table Allentown is only 6 bucks as you know, MUCH better attended and we get to talk to Mr Schwartz Jim, Don't forget about Mr. House. We get to talk to him also. Fred [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38413	From: Don	Date: 1/22/2006
Subject: Thanks

Thanks for all the help you all gave in my track cleaning query. I bought the GooGone and scotch brite pads and will put my wife to work in her spare time. I'll also get a track cleaning car. Now I have a new problem. In getting this train set organized and ready to set up, my wife and I inadvertently discarded a box containing a # 770 baggage handling platform. I have the car now but have "lost" the platform. I checked with Americanflyertrains.com and he doesn't have one available. Anybody know where I can get a working one? I'll be in the chat room for a bit tonight. Thanks again.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38414	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/22/2006
Subject: More on polishing aluminum cars

Hi all, Well, another visit to the emergency room, and more drugs (hmm, I guess you could say "I'm stoned") Anyway, Jim wrote me, mentioning that his cars are still very shiney, as is a serving tray he has from the '40s (he didn't say he's owned since, just that it's that old :) ) So thought I should clarify the polishing a bit more. When metal is buffed, or polished, it changes the surface itself. Some decades ago I read about this process, but don't remember it all, so bear with me if the technical stuff is muddy. The surface becomes more dense, eliminating much of the surface area that would otherwise be in contact with air. This provides a smaller surface for oxidation to attack. A well-polished object will stay "shiny" a long time, much longer than one that isn't. Hope that isn't clear as mud. Might catch ya on chat, depending on the stone. S' David

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38415	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 1/22/2006
Subject: Sunday Chat, 1/22/2006, 8:00 pm

Reminder from the Calendar of S-Trains Sunday Chat Sunday January 22, 2006 8:00 pm - 8:00 pm This event repeats every week. Event Location: http://s-scale.org/forum/ Street: http://s-scale.org/forum/ Notes: http://s-scale.org/forum/ ADVERTISEMENT Copyright ©  2006  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved. Privacy Policy - Terms of Service

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38416	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 1/22/2006
Subject: Re: ACG product question (sorry, not a train)

There were 3 or 4 prototypes made for the NY Toy Show at that time. These showed up at York a couple years back, went for big bucks. Interesting. Harwood [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38417	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/22/2006
Subject: Re: track cleaning

*****((((((bought the GooGone and scotch brite pads and will put my wife to work in her spare time)))))***** Now there's the REAL secret to cleaning track!!!! ;^) Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38418	From: Alex Sibbald	Date: 1/22/2006
Subject: make it and they will come

Hi all, I have a wish list of "S" products that I would buy if they existed in case there are any entrepreneurs out there. Perhaps you already know of a source or have some other items that you would add to the list. 1. AF switch controller bulb remover. The best that I have come up with is a pair of needle nose pliers that are capable of removing a broken bulb only. 2. A control rail attachment that works on a curve(712C) because there is not always a straight section available for action cars such as the Auto 715 unloading car. 3. A curved rerailer (728C) that enables automobile traffic to cross tracks on curves because that is where roads sometimes need to cross. 4. A plastic box that clips over 790 track clips to hide wires and another one that clips over switch terminals. Even high-railers don't want to see exposed wires. 5. A high output led/resistor in a standard bulb casing for easy locomotive headlight replacement. 6. Half people in "S" scale that can occupy the drivers seat in Johnny Lightning and Racing Champion convertable automobiles. Otherwise the convertables must always be parked. 7. A removable spring fit vestibule that would fit between 650 passenger cars. 8. An "S" scale crossing gate and crossbucks with train detector, alternatly flashing leds and quality bell sound which could simply be connected to amplified computer speakers. Alex

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38419	From: Robert Graves	Date: 1/22/2006
Subject: More Gilbert Galleries are now online

I have completed my galleries of the Gilbert reefers, hoppers, tank cars, and stock cars, adding to the Christmas Cars gallery previously announced. And the rest of my collection has been added to the boxcars, gondolas, cabooses, and flatcars/work cars galleries. http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/trains.html Many thanks to those of you who have offered corrections, suggestions, and pictures for the Christmas Cars and Hopper Cars galleries. I really do appreciate it and I eagerly await the same for these other galleries. Bob --------------------------------- Yahoo! Autos. Looking for a sweet ride? Get pricing, reviews, & more on new and used cars. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38420	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 1/22/2006
Subject: Re: make it and they will come

For #1 on your list try an electronics dealer not Radio Shack they have rubber bulb removers. They may be a bit out of date as there are really not to many uses for them any more. Mike ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38421	From: Robert Graves	Date: 1/22/2006
Subject: Re: make it and they will come

I'm with you, Alex! I'd buy any of those, too. Thanks to Mike for the rubber bulb remover suggestion - I'll try to find one! Alex Sibbald <innotron@...> wrote: Hi all, I have a wish list of "S" products that I would buy if they existed in case there are any entrepreneurs out there. Perhaps you already know of a source or have some other items that you would add to the list. 1. AF switch controller bulb remover. The best that I have come up with is a pair of needle nose pliers that are capable of removing a broken bulb only. 2. A control rail attachment that works on a curve(712C) because there is not always a straight section available for action cars such as the Auto 715 unloading car. 3. A curved rerailer (728C) that enables automobile traffic to cross tracks on curves because that is where roads sometimes need to cross. 4. A plastic box that clips over 790 track clips to hide wires and another one that clips over switch terminals. Even high-railers don't want to see exposed wires. 5. A high output led/resistor in a standard bulb casing for easy locomotive headlight replacement. 6. Half people in "S" scale that can occupy the drivers seat in Johnny Lightning and Racing Champion convertable automobiles. Otherwise the convertables must always be parked. 7. A removable spring fit vestibule that would fit between 650 passenger cars. 8. An "S" scale crossing gate and crossbucks with train detector, alternatly flashing leds and quality bell sound which could simply be connected to amplified computer speakers. Alex S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos Got holiday prints? See all the ways to get quality prints in your hands ASAP. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38422	From: Robert Graves	Date: 1/22/2006
Subject: Gilbert Variations

I've learned a lot from you all about the variations in Gilbert freight cars (boxcars, hoppers, reefers, and tank cars) of the 1940s and early 1950s. Am I correct in presuming that there was no more consistency in the sets than there was in the cars? I would expect that any variation could end up in any set, right? Does that also apply to the Heavyweight Pullmans? Gilbert made both painted and unpainted versions in 1948. Did the sets (4613A, 4617, 4621) contain painted or unpainted cars? Or did some sets contain painted and others unpainted? And where does one go to find such information? --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos – Showcase holiday pictures in hardcover Photo Books. You design it and we’ll bind it! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38423	From: Eric & Jean	Date: 1/22/2006
Subject: to: Vince Brunette of Lees Summit, MO.

Vince: The emails I have for you do not seem to be working. Please send me your correct one. I sent you a package (with 2 SHS cabooses) to you by mistake and need to get it back to send to the actual buyer. Thanks, Eric Reis Kenmore, Wa. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38424	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 1/22/2006
Subject: Re: make it and they will come

In a message dated 01/22/2006 8:20:42 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, innotron@... writes: Hi all, I have a wish list of "S" products that I would buy if they existed in case there are any entrepreneurs out there. Perhaps you already know of a source or have some other items that you would add to the list. 1. AF switch controller bulb remover. The best that I have come up with is a pair of needle nose pliers that are capable of removing a broken bulb only. A piece of surgical tubing of the appropriate ID works just fine. 5. A high output led/resistor in a standard bulb casing for easy locomotive headlight replacement. Good idea, but not likely since LEDs emit on the end and not much on the sides. It is certainly easy enough to install a 5mm Led in the headlight lens opening as it is. Alex Steve [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38425	From: manderman	Date: 1/22/2006
Subject: Re: make it and they will come

1. AF switch controller bulb remover. A. I use a piece of tape folded into a T shape. Put one side of the T on each side of the bulb and twist. I use lighter sticking masking tape for inserting bulbs... and heavier sticking duct tape to remove burned out bulbs. 2. A control rail attachment that works on a curve(712C) B. I have this problem too. I cut a regular pick up rail about an inch or so short. Put it on the inside of the curve and insulate the ends if they touch the rail. I've simply used a piece of paste board or sliver of plastic as an insulator. You could also simply bend a piece of brass rod to match either the inside or outside curve and put a long 90 degree bend at each end that would extend below your layout base to be electrified there. Mark Anderman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38426	From: knockbill	Date: 1/23/2006
Subject: Bulb removers

Hi The easiest bulb remover I've found are the skirted wire nuts, the rubber skirt extensions fit nicely over the bulb..... The red size fits large bulbs, & yellow fits small size..... Have fun John

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38427	From: Sam and Judy Williamson	Date: 1/23/2006
Subject: Re: make it and they will come

Alex, Regarding item #5 an LED/resistor combo go to http://www/scottsodds-n-ends.com you may find what you need. Sam W. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Sibbald" <innotron@...> To: <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 3:02 PM Subject: [S-Trains] make it and they will come > Hi all, > I have a wish list of "S" products that I would buy if they existed in > case there are any > entrepreneurs out there. Perhaps you already know of a source or have > some other items that you > would add to the list. > > 1. AF switch controller bulb remover. The best that I have come up with > is a pair of needle nose > pliers that are capable of removing a broken bulb only. > 2. A control rail attachment that works on a curve(712C) because there > is not always a straight > section available for action cars such as the Auto 715 unloading car. > 3. A curved rerailer (728C) that enables automobile traffic to cross > tracks on curves because that > is where roads sometimes need to cross. > 4. A plastic box that clips over 790 track clips to hide wires and > another one that clips over switch > terminals. Even high-railers don't want to see exposed wires. > 5. A high output led/resistor in a standard bulb casing for easy > locomotive headlight replacement. > 6. Half people in "S" scale that can occupy the drivers seat in Johnny > Lightning and Racing > Champion convertable automobiles. Otherwise the convertables must always > be parked. > 7. A removable spring fit vestibule that would fit between 650 passenger > cars. > 8. An "S" scale crossing gate and crossbucks with train detector, > alternatly flashing leds and quality > bell sound which could simply be connected to amplified computer > speakers. > > Alex > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38428	From: Gerald Dobbs	Date: 1/23/2006
Subject: S Gaugian

I found a stash of S Gaugians at a defunct hobby shop. 78 new magazines 1981 to 98. Several of each issue, no complete years. I would like to sell or trade, all or part or ( $1.00 ea.+ postage ?? ). Any one looking for back issues?? Contact me off line Jerry 77-11644

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38429	From: manderman	Date: 1/23/2006
Subject: Re: make it and they will come

That link should be: http://www.scottsodds-n-ends.com/ Sam... you had a "/" where a "." should be after the www Alex, Regarding item #5 an LED/resistor combo go to http://www/scottsodds-n-ends.com you may find what you need. Sam W. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Sibbald" <innotron@...> To: <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 3:02 PM Subject: [S-Trains] make it and they will come > Hi all, > I have a wish list of "S" products that I would buy if >they existed in > case there are any > entrepreneurs out there. Perhaps you already know of a >source or have > some other items that you > would add to the list. > > 1. AF switch controller bulb remover. The best that I >have come up with > is a pair of needle nose > pliers that are capable of removing a broken bulb only. > 2. A control rail attachment that works on a curve(712C) >because there > is not always a straight > section available for action cars such as the Auto 715 >unloading car. > 3. A curved rerailer (728C) that enables automobile >traffic to cross > tracks on curves because that > is where roads sometimes need to cross. > 4. A plastic box that clips over 790 track clips to hide >wires and > another one that clips over switch > terminals. Even high-railers don't want to see exposed >wires. > 5. A high output led/resistor in a standard bulb casing >for easy > locomotive headlight replacement. > 6. Half people in "S" scale that can occupy the drivers >seat in Johnny > Lightning and Racing > Champion convertable automobiles. Otherwise the >convertables must always > be parked. > 7. A removable spring fit vestibule that would fit >between 650 passenger > cars. > 8. An "S" scale crossing gate and crossbucks with train >detector, > alternatly flashing leds and quality > bell sound which could simply be connected to amplified >computer > speakers. > > Alex > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38430	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 1/23/2006
Subject: Re: AF Switches and American Model Engines

I am sure that there is a logical reason, but my American Model engines derail going through my Flyer Switches. Why? They ride thru smooth on my SHelper switches. Jerry

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38431	From: Mark Preman	Date: 1/23/2006
Subject: Train Show at the Tampa Fairgrounds this Weekend

Two day show with lots of American Flyer. Your list sponsor(me) will have two booths of goodies. Show hours are 10 -4 Saturday and Sunday. See you there! Mark B. Preman AmericanFlyerTrains.com --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38432	From: sjtewks	Date: 1/23/2006
Subject: For easier future bulb removal

I discovered a "bulb grease" at an auto shop that one applies to bulb threads that keeps them from binding...works for any screw-in bulb (cheap: $.99 for a small pkg; enough for a half dozen regular size incandescent bulbs). It won't help you grip the bulb, but it keeps the threads from sticking in the socket. Great for ceiling fan lamps too.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38433	From: judgeatkck2002	Date: 1/23/2006
Subject: 779 Oil Drum Loader

Greetings, I purchased a 779 Oil Drum Loader in box that has the gray painted base and shed without brown stripes this weekend at a train show in KC. The box indicates it was mailed to Puerto Rico in 1955. Is there any information indicating where this accessory was sold, how many were manufactured and where they only manufactured in 1955. Both of Robert Brubeck's books place a rarity scale of 4+. Are there any recent sales to support his price estimate of 700.00 Looking forward to all of your input. Bill Hutton

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38434	From: jconn444	Date: 1/23/2006
Subject: Re: unknown transformer

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "bobsegilia" <segie@p...> wrote: > > I submitted a photo titled " unknown transformar" Can anyone tell me > anything about this transformer ? It is approx. 53 years old . Thanks > in advance , Bob Bob: If that's a AF 1295 transformer, I have one. To the best of my knowledge, mine came with a 1929 AF standard gauge Lone Scout set. I recently sold the train but the buyer wasn't interested in the transformer. That's as much as I know about it. John Conn >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38435	From: rongk2005	Date: 1/24/2006
Subject: american models track

Any one tried mating american models track to the american S gauge track? any preferences on track thanks Ron

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38436	From: Bill Lane	Date: 1/24/2006
Subject: Pennsy S Models Update

Hi All, Dan has updated our Pennsy S Models website. http://www.pennsysmodels.com Please give it a look! Thank You, Bill Lane Modeling the Mighty Pennsy in S Scale in 1957 See my finished models at: http://www.lanestrains.com Over 100 new photos recently added Importing a Brass S Scale PRR X29 & G26 http://www.pennsysmodels.com ALL of the production X29 have arrived as of 6-30-05 Replacement PRR decals arrived 10-5-05 The G26 is complete. The G26a is approved for production. ***Join the PRR T&HS*** The other members are not ALL like me! http://www.prrths.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38437	From: Robert A Persing	Date: 1/24/2006
Subject: Re: make it and they will come

I can help you with your first wish,use a section of rubber tubing and push it over the bulb and turn. Bob Persing ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Sibbald" <innotron@...> To: <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 3:02 PM Subject: [S-Trains] make it and they will come > Hi all, > I have a wish list of "S" products that I would buy if they existed in > case there are any > entrepreneurs out there. Perhaps you already know of a source or have > some other items that you > would add to the list. > > 1. AF switch controller bulb remover. The best that I have come up with > is a pair of needle nose > pliers that are capable of removing a broken bulb only. > 2. A control rail attachment that works on a curve(712C) because there > is not always a straight > section available for action cars such as the Auto 715 unloading car. > 3. A curved rerailer (728C) that enables automobile traffic to cross > tracks on curves because that > is where roads sometimes need to cross. > 4. A plastic box that clips over 790 track clips to hide wires and > another one that clips over switch > terminals. Even high-railers don't want to see exposed wires. > 5. A high output led/resistor in a standard bulb casing for easy > locomotive headlight replacement. > 6. Half people in "S" scale that can occupy the drivers seat in Johnny > Lightning and Racing > Champion convertable automobiles. Otherwise the convertables must always > be parked. > 7. A removable spring fit vestibule that would fit between 650 passenger > cars. > 8. An "S" scale crossing gate and crossbucks with train detector, > alternatly flashing leds and quality > bell sound which could simply be connected to amplified computer > speakers. > > Alex > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38438	From: conehammer	Date: 1/24/2006
Subject: S gauge track and switches

Apologies in advance if this has been a worn out subject. I'd appreciate hearing opinions as to who makes the best high rail American Flyer compatible track. Up to now I've used original AF track with some K-Line long straights. I've had a partial track laid in various 'movable' layouts and will probably be so until I fix a location to build a traditional fixed layout. I'm leaning towards highrail with scale couplers at least for some of my collection so I'd like a more 'scale' looking track which hopefully is more supportive of other engines and rolling stock besides AF originals. Thoughts? Thanks in advance. Jerry Carducci

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38439	From: Nick and Becky Colleran	Date: 1/24/2006
Subject: Bulb remover & flasher

1. A short piece of plastic or rubber tubing pressed to the top of the bulb will grip it and allow it to be turned. I have three sizes for the various bulbs. If you want I'll send you a set. 8. Dallee makes an electronic flasher and sensor that converts the AF 760. - Nick >Message: 12 > Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 12:02:53 -0800 > From: Alex Sibbald <innotron@...> >Subject: make it and they will come > >Hi all, >I have a wish list of "S" products that I would buy if they existed ....... >1. AF switch controller bulb remover. The best that I have come up with >is a pair of needle nose >pliers that are capable of removing a broken bulb only. >8. An "S" scale crossing gate and crossbucks with train detector, >alternatly flashing leds and quality >bell sound which could simply be connected to amplified computer >speakers. > >Alex > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38440	From: sjtewks	Date: 1/24/2006
Subject: Bulb grease

I was asked to post the product information... "Bulb Grease", manufactured by AGS Company Muskegon, MI 49443, Cat Number BG-1. It comes in a .4gm (.14 oz) package I found at Autozone. Keeps the threads from sticking to each other for bulbs. Hope this is helpful.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38441	From: Charles E. Smith	Date: 1/24/2006
Subject: Re: american models track

The trick is align and mount both securely to the table and make a soldered wire connection between them. That way there's no need to physically connect the rails. Chuck Smith, On matters of style swim with the current. On matters of substance stand like a rock. Thos. Jefferson (may be paraphrased) ----- Original Message ----- From: "rongk2005" <eac4798@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 10:33 PM Subject: [S-Trains] american models track > Any one tried mating american models track to the american S gauge > track? any preferences on track thanks Ron > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38442	From: Bruce D. Willis	Date: 1/24/2006
Subject: Santa Fe B-unit for sale

I have a spare Flyonel (48136) Santa Fe B unit w/Railsounds for sale. I would say that it's Mint, except I don't remember if I took it out of the box to look at it. It certainly has NOT been run, however. I'm only asking what I paid for it, $175, plus postage. Contact me direct if you are interested. Bruce Willis willisbd@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38443	From: Bruce D. Willis	Date: 1/24/2006
Subject: Re: Bulb remover & flasher

I have used a short (4") piece of rainbow wire that has been split in half (2 wires instead of 4) to grip the bulbs in my highway flashers. I just pinch it tight around the bulb, like a strap wrench. It just fits the clearance between the bulb and the housing. Like the tubing suggestion below, that distributes the clamping force around the bulb so it won't break. I suspect the technique will work on other accessories. - Bruce --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Nick and Becky Colleran <colleran@i...> wrote: > > 1. A short piece of plastic or rubber tubing pressed to the top of the bulb > will grip it and allow it to be turned. I have three sizes for the various > bulbs. If you want I'll send you a set. > > 8. Dallee makes an electronic flasher and sensor that converts the AF 760. > > - Nick > > > >Message: 12 > > Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 12:02:53 -0800 > > From: Alex Sibbald <innotron@a...> > >Subject: make it and they will come > > > >Hi all, > >I have a wish list of "S" products that I would buy if they existed ....... > > > > >1. AF switch controller bulb remover. The best that I have come up with > >is a pair of needle nose > >pliers that are capable of removing a broken bulb only. > > > > >8. An "S" scale crossing gate and crossbucks with train detector, > >alternatly flashing leds and quality > >bell sound which could simply be connected to amplified computer > >speakers. > > > >Alex > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38444	From: Rhett George	Date: 1/24/2006
Subject: Short message for D. Reynolds

Thanks, friends, for allowing this short use of a bit of bandwidth. - Dale - Some goofy earthlink something prevents me from answering your question regarding Mike Vandiver. CheerS, Rhett

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38445	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 1/24/2006
Subject: Re: make it and they will come

On Sun, 22 Jan 2006 12:02:53 -0800, Alex Sibbald wrote: >5. A high output led/resistor in a standard bulb casing for easy >locomotive headlight replacement. How about this... http://autolumination.com/otherleds.htm I saw a "better" version of this somewhere, can't find it now. Was a bunch of LED's shaped into a 1447 bulb shape, light headed out "all sides". Drop in replacement for the 1447 bulb. Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38446	From: lember2004	Date: 1/24/2006
Subject: what's inside a 709 Lockout Eliminator?

Is is correct that the only active component inside a 709 Lockout Eliminator is a single resistor, with no capacitor or other components inside the box? If that's the case, how many ohms is the resistor? As always, thanks for the help! Mark

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38447	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 1/24/2006
Subject: Re: York April Meet

Just want to remind those planning the activities at York, to keep in mind the "Open House" at the Glen Rock Fire Department on Thursday evening. If you want to experience a great 1950s type American Flyer Layout they have it. Also a large O,G, Ho and N gauge layouts all are fine layouts.. Jerry Matsick

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38448	From: muniman18	Date: 1/24/2006
Subject: commutator cleaning

What should be used to clean this .

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38449	From: daysend40	Date: 1/24/2006
Subject: AF 4-6-2

Hi there: Any one know who makes a DC can motor with the worm to replace my AC hi amp and hi heat motor with? Thanks Daysend40

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38450	From: Roy Inman	Date: 1/24/2006
Subject: Re: S-Scale Modeling Passenger cars

Interesting that there was no "evolution" in S, (we Kansans of course do not believe in it as it pertains to animals) because of the long lapse between when Gilbert folded and Lionel began making new stuff. And then big L did not even make track. Or turnouts. Different manufacturers had different ideas, and no Gilbert copyrights. So in effect, we almost have two S "lines" of evolution, as it were: Flyer (AKA Flyonel) and the Johnny-come-lately everyone else. As others more astute than myself have pointed out, A. C. Gilbert would have changed, added, morphed, evolved (gosh I hate that word) the toy company into something different. Who knows, he may have split the Flyer line into Traditional and Scale, offering long (in addition to short) passenger cars, something like MTH does with its Rail King (so-called 027 size) and Premier (scale sized) equipment. Thus the hard-core AF folks would be happy, and the lovable rivet-counting scale people would be...well, happy is probably too strong a word to use here, but at least happier than they are now. But alas, we will never know, and Lionel sure isn't going to come to such a pass anytime soon... Is there no way out of this dilemma?? Offered only partly tongue in cheek :) Roy Inman > From: Arden Goehring <arden@...> > Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 18:46:52 -0800 > To: Don Thompson <don@...> > Cc: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, tennsgauge@... > Subject: Re: S-Scale Modeling Passenger cars > > Dear Don - I think I have finally got the #1 for my 10 top things "S" stands > for = "S"crewed Up! > > track. Although we sell more track than anything else (and most to > people who do not own any of our equipment), I am not sure if we could > ever sell enough track to replace the real miles of AF that was made for > 20 years. > Just my opinion. > Don > > Arden Goehring wrote: > >> Isn't this what S-Helper is working on? It will satisfy "near" scalers, but >> not scalers. >> ============================= > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38451	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 1/24/2006
Subject: re;AF 4-6-2

I've used the SnS Trains can motor conversion in three old Flyer locos, an Atlantic(4-4-2)and two Pacifics(4-6-2)with good results. These include the worm gear already mounted on the motor shaft, a mounting plate already attached, mounting screws, and complete instructions. Two motor types are availible, standard and slow. These are available from Portlines Hobby Supply, or direct from SnS Trains. I've purchased motors from both and experienced great service in both cases. There is also a can motor conversion with flywheel by Timko, availible from Elizabeth Street Station. Although I have not used these, they have a good reputation. Any of these can be run on straight DC power or used with a Dallee electronic reverse unit to operate on AC power. The reverse units are availible from the above vendors or direct from Dallee. Stumpy Stone...confirmed can motor fan...in Martins Ferry, OH.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38452	From: chin_locke	Date: 1/24/2006
Subject: 960 Passenger Cars

I recently bought a set of AF 470/471/473 (they are not chrome) engines and three cars. The cars are numbers 961, 962, 963. They have a large red stripe. I'm looking for what year these cars and engines might have come from. They have knuckle couplers.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38453	From: Robert Graves	Date: 1/24/2006
Subject: Re: what's inside a 709 Lockout Eliminator?

See http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/reversing_directions.html lember2004 <lember2004@...> wrote: Is is correct that the only active component inside a 709 Lockout Eliminator is a single resistor, with no capacitor or other components inside the box? If that's the case, how many ohms is the resistor? As always, thanks for the help! Mark S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Bring words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with your Yahoo! Mail. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38454	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 1/24/2006
Subject: re;S gauge track and switches

My vote goes to S Helper Service for track and switches, either sectional or flex track. The sectional track is very nice looking and performs well with my old Flyer, Flyonel, Putt Trains (Rex), American Models, and (of course) S Helper trains. The downside is that the sectional track is the most expensive of all the brands availible. But I feel it is worth it. Having used a combination of Gargraves flex track and old Flyer track and switches to start with, I've switched to S Helper on a 4x6' layout and am now building an 8x10'layout using the S Helper Service sectional track. Stumpy Stone...playing with trains in Appalachia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38455	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/24/2006
Subject: boxes, collectibles & that Kidney Stone

Hi all. Well, for those who don't understand how a box becomes more valuable than its contents, welcome to the world of collectibles. Sometimes value is decided by what survives. In the case of our trains, they were sold as toys, the boxes were just something to ship them in and make them look good on the shelf (in the store). So many more trains survived than did boxes. Just watch children opening their toys today, most the packaging is in shambles and ends up in the dumpster before the day is over. Othertimes value is determined by the whims of the current collectors. No logic to that one! Well, I am home from the hospital. Had to go in Monday 1AM and just got out this morning, having passed the stone during the night. Oh boy, don't want to do that again! Have to change some of my lifestyle, I'm afraid. So here I am at home, finally working out all the drugs, and seemingly caught a terrible cold at the hospital (told you it was a bad place to be sick!). Run 'em if ya got 'em! S" David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38456	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 1/25/2006
Subject: Server Trouble

My hosting company ' Flexhosting', has 'upgraded' my server and broken several of my sites. 1) The photo albums (working on restoration, this is a big job) 2) the 'links' page (my next project) 3) the chat room (already fixed) 4) S-Scale.org is broke and it's future is TBD. The Yahoo (S-Trains/S-scale/Owl_watch etc) stuff is not effected and still working. The S-Ring seems to working fine. My e-mail is still working. I will be 'out of town' for the next couple days. I will continue restoration next week. Paul Yorke [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38457	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 1/25/2006
Subject: Re: 960 Passenger Cars

TRY 54 - 57....... SET NUMBER K5375W WITH 960..61, 62, 63........ BOB ----- Original Message ----- From: "chin_locke" <chin_locke@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 12:13 AM Subject: [S-Trains] 960 Passenger Cars >I recently bought a set of AF 470/471/473 (they are not chrome) > engines and three cars. The cars are numbers 961, 962, 963. They > have a large red stripe. I'm looking for what year these cars and > engines might have come from. They have knuckle couplers. > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38458	From: Roy Plotnick	Date: 1/25/2006
Subject: Re: Subject: boxes, collectibles & that Kidney Stone

First, I wish David a full and swift recovery; remember that this to shall pass. Now: I have an original Gilbert Domino Sugar car is very good condition. At a later time, I found an original box for it (yes, just the box) at an antique store. So what does this do to the value? How rare is this car with the box? - Roy >Message: 16 > Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 21:12:10 -0800 > From: "David Dewey" <djdewey@...> >Subject: boxes, collectibles & that Kidney Stone > >Hi all. > Well, for those who don't understand how a box becomes more valuable than >its contents, welcome to the world of collectibles. Sometimes value is >decided by what survives. In the case of our trains, they were sold as toys, >the boxes were just something to ship them in and make them look good on the >shelf (in the store). So many more trains survived than did boxes. Just >watch children opening their toys today, most the packaging is in shambles >and ends up in the dumpster before the day is over. Othertimes value is >determined by the whims of the current collectors. No logic to that one! > Well, I am home from the hospital. Had to go in Monday 1AM and just got >out this morning, having passed the stone during the night. Oh boy, don't >want to do that again! Have to change some of my lifestyle, I'm afraid. So >here I am at home, finally working out all the drugs, and seemingly caught a >terrible cold at the hospital (told you it was a bad place to be sick!). >Run 'em if ya got 'em! >S" >David D. > > > > > >________________________________________________________________________ > > Roy E. Plotnick

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38459	From: muniman18	Date: 1/25/2006
Subject: DUMB QUESTION # 12

Hi all , while fooling around with my 302 i broke the wire from my magnetic field. this is wire that goes to the reverse in boiler do i have to buy new one or is there any way i can fix it i guess its th"fat finger disease" sorry to trouble you with simple problems.also if new does it come with longer wire to re hook to reverse thx Mike

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38460	From: Art Shifrin	Date: 1/25/2006
Subject: Bulb extractor

Hi Gang, I'd never thought of this until now. Obtain a thimble of suitable diameter. Cut an appropriate square of thin rubber (i.e. from an about-to-be-discarded glove, lined or unlined). Apply adhesive to the whatever you regard as the back surface of the rubber & press it into the cavity. Wait for the adhesive to set and then trim off the Protruding corners of the material. Best, Shiffy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38461	From: tomminil@aol.com	Date: 1/25/2006
Subject: Re: Subject: boxes, collectibles & that Kidney Stone

Depends on the condition of the items and of the market. How many people want it when you want to sell it. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38462	From: Scott Holm	Date: 1/25/2006
Subject: Re: boxes

I think what people don't understand, myself included, is why we need the expensive box at all, except for the day that we sell the item, and that's only because buyers value the box. If you have something as a collectible, don't you want to display it out of the box? I have this picture in my mnd of people ooohing and aaahing while looking at old cardboard boxes. And if you're an operator, you would have it on the layout. In either case, if one needed to store items, one can use modern storage containers that would protect the item better anyway. Seems to me the only people who need to care about the rare box are those who buy for the purpose of selling. And then there's the engine wraps and the never-opened boxes! David Dewey <djdewey@...> wrote: Hi all. Well, for those who don't understand how a box becomes more valuable than its contents, welcome to the world of collectibles. --------------------------------- Bring words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38463	From: Jon Marinello	Date: 1/25/2006
Subject: For Sale on eBay: New S-Helper Service #00522 Great Northern Rebuil

Item number 6032150168. Link to auction: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ViewItem&item=6032150168&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1 Brand spanking new, never run, still in the box (never even removed) Great Northern Rebuilt Boxcar Vermillion #2. Stock #00522. I paid $40 + shipping for this beauty. This boxcar has never been taken out of the box or handled in any way. No reserve. 99 cents starting price. Note that this stock # is no longer in stock at S-Helper Service and has been discontinued. See details of these fine cars at: http://www.showcaseline.com/Boxcars/SteelRebuilt/BoxcarsSteelRebuilt. html Ask questions before bidding. I only accept PayPal, money orders and cashiers checks. No personal checks. Payment due within 5 business days of auction end. Be sure to see my other auctions. Multiple purchases will be combined as best as I can to reduce shipping costs to you. Shipped via USPS Priority mail fixed rate at $8.10. International orders must pay an additional $20.00 handling fee plus international shipping. Thanks, --jon

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38464	From: trainnut2us	Date: 1/25/2006
Subject: Am Models 484

Any updates on delivery status of new Am Models 484? Jim Siverling

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38465	From: Don	Date: 1/25/2006
Subject: Switch controls

I ran into a problem today with my boxed up for 45 y/o AF switch controllers. I was testing the bulbs and toggles on a switch that I knew worked from another controller. When the toggles were thrown for the switch, the switch solenoid continued to "buzz" in both open and closed positions. The other switch controllers were silent after activating the switch. Any ideas? I appreciate all your help. My wife hasn't had time to start cleaning the track...yet.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38466	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 1/25/2006
Subject: Re;S scale modeling passenger cars

Roy and y'all...Interesting idea of "what if" Gilbert had survived. Two lines of trains, toy and scale? Interesting "evolution." I have the feeling that Gilbert could have done a couple of things that may have changed their history. First, since Gilbert was making a more scale size toy train, they could have aligned their products more with the then current (late '50s, early '60s) trend toward scale trains. As we saw, HO continued to get more popular during this period, despite competition such as the slot car craze. Also in this line of thinking, they should have dropped AC power and reverse units and done what HO had been doing for years, operate DC with the reverse switch on the power pack. The technology was availible at the time to do this, and was very affordable as the HO manufacturers have shown. After all, many S gaugers are doing this now, and very successfully. Of course, who knows? Hindsight is always 20/20 vision. Stumpy Stone...thinking too much in eastern Ohio.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38467	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 1/25/2006
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] RE: Subject: boxes, collectibles & that Kidney Stone

The box makes that Domino a winner, as most of the Domino's came in tray packed set boxes. Fred In a message dated 1/25/2006 1:50:30 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, plotnick@... writes: Now: I have an original Gilbert Domino Sugar car is very good condition. At a later time, I found an original box for it (yes, just the box) at an antique store. So what does this do to the value? How rare is this car with the box? - Roy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38468	From: aglorince	Date: 1/25/2006
Subject: Re: Am Models 484

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "trainnut2us" <trainnut2us@y...> wrote: > > Any updates on delivery status of new Am Models 484? > Jim Siverling > i spoke to ron earlier this week. he says thet are on the boat and should be in country in about 30 days. andy lorince

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38469	From: ED WHELAN	Date: 1/25/2006
Subject: Re: Am Models 484

Ron said sometime in Feb. Ed ----- Original Message ----- From: "trainnut2us" <trainnut2us@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 5:30 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Am Models 484 > Any updates on delivery status of new Am Models 484? > Jim Siverling > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38470	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 1/25/2006
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] boxes

In a message dated 1/25/2006 6:13:16 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, imsscott@... writes: I bet that all the guys that were buying the 3,4,&500 hundred dollar items for 5 & 10 dollars in the 70's are sorry that they tossed the boxes in the trash now. Fred I think what people don't understand, myself included, is why we need the expensive box at all, except for the day that we sell the item, and that's only because buyers value the box. If you have something as a collectible, don't you want to display it out of the box? I have this picture in my mnd of people ooohing and aaahing while looking at old cardboard boxes. And if you're an operator, you would have it on the layout. In either case, if one needed to store items, one can use modern storage containers that would protect the item better anyway. Seems to me the only people who need to care about the rare box are those who buy for the purpose of selling. And then there's the engine wraps and the never-opened boxes! David Dewey <djdewey@...> wrote: Hi all. Well, for those who don't understand how a box becomes more valuable than its contents, welcome to the world of collectibles. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38471	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 1/25/2006
Subject: Fwd: HUGE MODEL TRAIN SHOW AT TIMONIUM MD FEB. 4-5

In a message dated 1/25/2006 5:31:54 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, KNKAY1@... writes: Saturday FEB. 4 9 am - 4 pm Sunday FEB. 5 10 am - 4 pm Take time to enjoy your hobby at the Original, the One & Only Great Scale Model Train Show AND our new All-American HiRail & Collectible Train Show Timonium, Maryland in the Cow Palace at the Maryland State Fairgrounds. OVER 3 acres of trains!! * Over 700 tables with ALL SCALES Z to G in the Scale Show ! * Over 100 tables of Lionel, AF, new HiRail & Tinplate Collectibles in the HiRail Show! * Over 18 beautiful operating layouts -- our display layouts alone are bigger than most entire shows!! * Huge Kalmbach bookstore * Large White Elephant Sales Area open to everyone -- bring your old stuff! * Special train movies starting at 11 am each day! Admission $7. Family $14. Children under 13 free. Admission includes both days - Saturday admissions return Sunday for FREE! For more information on directions, free parking, and current vendor list see: _http://www.gsmts.com_ () To be removed from this mailing list reply to knkay@... and include the word "remove" in subject line. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38472	From: mlmarmer	Date: 1/25/2006
Subject: Re: Subject: boxes, collectibles & that Kidney Stone

Roy, I too, have a box for the Domino Sugar car. I have wondered the value of that box. A friend said put it on Ebay, with a very high reserve, like $500 or so, and see what happens. Higher, if you really don't want to sell it. Tricky way of finding out. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roy Plotnick" <plotnick@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 1:00 PM Subject: [S-Trains] RE: Subject: boxes, collectibles & that Kidney Stone > First, I wish David a full and swift recovery; remember that this to > shall pass. > > Now: I have an original Gilbert Domino Sugar car is very good > condition. At a later time, I found an original box for it (yes, just > the box) at an antique store. So what does this do to the value? How > rare is this car with the box? - Roy > > >Message: 16 > > Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 21:12:10 -0800 > > From: "David Dewey" <djdewey@...> > >Subject: boxes, collectibles & that Kidney Stone > > > >Hi all. > > Well, for those who don't understand how a box becomes more valuable than > >its contents, welcome to the world of collectibles. Sometimes value is > >decided by what survives. In the case of our trains, they were sold as toys, > >the boxes were just something to ship them in and make them look good on the > >shelf (in the store). So many more trains survived than did boxes. Just > >watch children opening their toys today, most the packaging is in shambles > >and ends up in the dumpster before the day is over. Othertimes value is > >determined by the whims of the current collectors. No logic to that one! > > Well, I am home from the hospital. Had to go in Monday 1AM and just got > >out this morning, having passed the stone during the night. Oh boy, don't > >want to do that again! Have to change some of my lifestyle, I'm afraid. So > >here I am at home, finally working out all the drugs, and seemingly caught a > >terrible cold at the hospital (told you it was a bad place to be sick!). > >Run 'em if ya got 'em! > >S" > >David D. > > > > > > > > > > > >________________________________________________________________________ > > > > > Roy E. Plotnick > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38473	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 1/25/2006
Subject: Re: Am Models 484

Ron B. was at our club meeting on Sunday and confirmed what was already posted on delivery of the 4-8-4. He ran the pre production sample on Tom Hess' layout (which will be on the layout tour at the NASG convention). It pulled like crazy and will smoke you out! A very nice model. I have on on order..... Some older photos of Tom's layout can be seen at <smsgtrains.org> Go to the "members layout" page. Tom used SHS track exclusively. He promises to have it (mostly) done by convention time. Jerry Poniatowski Registrar, 2006 NASG Convention Tom --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "trainnut2us" <trainnut2us@y...> wrote: > > Any updates on delivery status of new Am Models 484? > Jim Siverling >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38474	From: tomminil@aol.com	Date: 1/25/2006
Subject: PICTURES OF AF TRAIN STUFF FOR SALE

Many of you have asked to see what i have for sale. well i found a better mousetrap. Pictures of the stuff on Ask Jeeves site. Jeeves is kinda like a Google search engine. Please take a peek and let me know what you think Thanks Tom _http://myjeeves.ask.com/public/tomminil/folders/trains from tomminil_ (http://myjeeves.ask.com/public/tomminil/folders/trains+from+tomminil) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38475	From: Roy Inman	Date: 1/25/2006
Subject: Re: Am Models 484

Doug Peck said he heard March. Roy Inman > From: ED WHELAN <ejw333@...> > Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 19:12:25 -0500 > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, trainnut2us <trainnut2us@...> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Am Models 484 > > Ron said sometime in Feb. Ed > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "trainnut2us" <trainnut2us@...> > To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 5:30 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] Am Models 484 > > >> Any updates on delivery status of new Am Models 484? >> Jim Siverling >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com >> All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! >> >> Enjoy thousands of great photos >> at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail >> Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38476	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 1/25/2006
Subject: Re: Subject: boxes, collectibles & that Kidney Stone

Careful Guys....... I had an item, old piece of paper money, the dealers had offered me as much as 160.00..... I tried this.on ebay.... 99.99 opening bid with a 999.99 reserve...... didn't really want to sell it....... It closed at 7200.00..... all I have is a picture somewhere..... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "mlmarmer" <mlmarmer@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; "Roy Plotnick" <plotnick@...> Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 7:31 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: Subject: boxes, collectibles & that Kidney Stone > Roy, > > I too, have a box for the Domino Sugar car. > > I have wondered the value of that box. > > A friend said put it on Ebay, with a very high reserve, like $500 or so, > and > see what happens. Higher, if you really don't want to sell it. > > Tricky way of finding out. > > Mike > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Roy Plotnick" <plotnick@...> > To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 1:00 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] RE: Subject: boxes, collectibles & that Kidney Stone > > >> First, I wish David a full and swift recovery; remember that this to >> shall pass. >> >> Now: I have an original Gilbert Domino Sugar car is very good >> condition. At a later time, I found an original box for it (yes, just >> the box) at an antique store. So what does this do to the value? How >> rare is this car with the box? - Roy >> >> >Message: 16 >> > Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 21:12:10 -0800 >> > From: "David Dewey" <djdewey@...> >> >Subject: boxes, collectibles & that Kidney Stone >> > >> >Hi all. >> > Well, for those who don't understand how a box becomes more valuable > than >> >its contents, welcome to the world of collectibles. Sometimes value is >> >decided by what survives. In the case of our trains, they were sold as > toys, >> >the boxes were just something to ship them in and make them look good on > the >> >shelf (in the store). So many more trains survived than did boxes. Just >> >watch children opening their toys today, most the packaging is in > shambles >> >and ends up in the dumpster before the day is over. Othertimes value is >> >determined by the whims of the current collectors. No logic to that one! >> > Well, I am home from the hospital. Had to go in Monday 1AM and just > got >> >out this morning, having passed the stone during the night. Oh boy, >> >don't >> >want to do that again! Have to change some of my lifestyle, I'm afraid. > So >> >here I am at home, finally working out all the drugs, and seemingly > caught a >> >terrible cold at the hospital (told you it was a bad place to be sick!). >> >Run 'em if ya got 'em! >> >S" >> >David D. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >________________________________________________________________________ >> > >> > >> Roy E. Plotnick >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com >> All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! >> >> Enjoy thousands of great photos >> at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail >> Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38477	From: tomminil@aol.com	Date: 1/25/2006
Subject: Re: Switch controls

There at least three types of controllers. The older ones do not spring back to kill power thus the switch solenoid burns up. Long term Buzzing is not good. Tom [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38478	From: mlmarmer	Date: 1/25/2006
Subject: Re: Subject: boxes, collectibles & that Kidney Stone

That is why I said to have a really high reserve, as I hope 7200 was a great return for you in the end. If a dealer offered you 160 and you got 7200, hopefully you did very well with the return, even though it was sold. How available is this bill and the going price? I have no plans at this time to do such a thing, since I don't have the urge to sell anything at this time. Hopefully not for the next 20 to 30 years. I hope the market for it doesn't tank however, but so be it. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "ROBERT ALLEN CONNER" <rcon7@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; "Roy Plotnick" <plotnick@...>; "mlmarmer" <mlmarmer@...> Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 9:15 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: Subject: boxes, collectibles & that Kidney Stone > Careful Guys....... I had an item, old piece of paper money, the dealers had > offered me as much as 160.00..... > I tried this.on ebay.... 99.99 opening bid with a 999.99 reserve...... > didn't really want to sell it....... It closed at 7200.00..... all I have is > a picture somewhere..... Bob > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "mlmarmer" <mlmarmer@...> > To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; "Roy Plotnick" <plotnick@...> > Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 7:31 PM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: Subject: boxes, collectibles & that Kidney Stone > > > > Roy, > > > > I too, have a box for the Domino Sugar car. > > > > I have wondered the value of that box. > > > > A friend said put it on Ebay, with a very high reserve, like $500 or so, > > and > > see what happens. Higher, if you really don't want to sell it. > > > > Tricky way of finding out. > > > > Mike > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Roy Plotnick" <plotnick@...> > > To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 1:00 PM > > Subject: [S-Trains] RE: Subject: boxes, collectibles & that Kidney Stone > > > > > >> First, I wish David a full and swift recovery; remember that this to > >> shall pass. > >> > >> Now: I have an original Gilbert Domino Sugar car is very good > >> condition. At a later time, I found an original box for it (yes, just > >> the box) at an antique store. So what does this do to the value? How > >> rare is this car with the box? - Roy > >> > >> >Message: 16 > >> > Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 21:12:10 -0800 > >> > From: "David Dewey" <djdewey@...> > >> >Subject: boxes, collectibles & that Kidney Stone > >> > > >> >Hi all. > >> > Well, for those who don't understand how a box becomes more valuable > > than > >> >its contents, welcome to the world of collectibles. Sometimes value is > >> >decided by what survives. In the case of our trains, they were sold as > > toys, > >> >the boxes were just something to ship them in and make them look good on > > the > >> >shelf (in the store). So many more trains survived than did boxes. Just > >> >watch children opening their toys today, most the packaging is in > > shambles > >> >and ends up in the dumpster before the day is over. Othertimes value is > >> >determined by the whims of the current collectors. No logic to that one! > >> > Well, I am home from the hospital. Had to go in Monday 1AM and just > > got > >> >out this morning, having passed the stone during the night. Oh boy, > >> >don't > >> >want to do that again! Have to change some of my lifestyle, I'm afraid. > > So > >> >here I am at home, finally working out all the drugs, and seemingly > > caught a > >> >terrible cold at the hospital (told you it was a bad place to be sick!). > >> >Run 'em if ya got 'em! > >> >S" > >> >David D. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> >________________________________________________________________________ > >> > > >> > > >> Roy E. Plotnick > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > >> All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >> > >> Enjoy thousands of great photos > >> at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > >> Yahoo! Groups Links > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38479	From: tomminil@aol.com	Date: 1/26/2006
Subject: Re: Subject: boxes, collectibles & that Kidney Stone

What did you do with the $7200.00 LOL [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38480	From: Doug Peck	Date: 1/26/2006
Subject: Sellios layout

And if you attend the 2008 NASG convention in Lowell, MA, we plan to take a busload or two of you folks to see the F&SM "up-close and personal." Mark your calendars to come to MA in August, 2008 ! <<<<But lets not forger about the good-old Franklin & South Manchester that the owner of Fine Scale Miniatures (George Sellios) is building up in the Boston area... it easily rivals the G&D in my opinion... BEYOND incredible!!! (See below) http://www.trevinocircle.com/fsm.asp http://www.horailroad.com/fsm/fsmlayout0.html >>>> Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours: Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, & Saturdays--- 2-5 PM (EST) 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: www.portlines.com <http://www.portlines.com> E-mail: doug@... <mailto:doug@...> VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38481	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 1/26/2006
Subject: website rebuild update

Hi Train Friends, Well the people at Flexhost have goofed me up for the last time. They make changes that shut us down and lock us out. Then eventually I figure out a work around. Well this time I am going to spend my effort moving to a new host. They have not even contacted me to help get the site back up. I am going out of town till Tuesday. When I get back I will contact a new hosting firm and make arrangments to move the site. From your perspective it look identical. There will be some work in rebuilding the photo albums, but they are all goofed up now and that effort would be required regardless of moving or staying. When I get back and have a plan, I will be contacting you (via this list) with a status. Paul Yorke [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38482	From: tallcornac@aol.com	Date: 1/26/2006
Subject: Lionel AmFlyer

If any body is interested I have just listed a #6-49600 Pony Express set in Mint Condition. Starting bid $400.00. Item # 6032095811. Thanks, Patrick [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38483	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 1/26/2006
Subject: Re: S-Scale Modeling Long passenger cars

Dear Stan, If "L" had any interest at all in moving "S" into the next level, they would make this for AF. Best, Don PS Might we see you at the West Springfield, MA train show at the Big "E" this weekend? This is the largest open trains show in the Northeast and has a hugh "S" presence. Stan Stokrocki wrote: >Just as a matter of comparison with that "other" hi-rail market, it's >interesting that even Lionel has apparently felt the need to start >producing real 1:48 scale cars: > >http://www.lionel.com/Brochures/Acela/index.cfm > > >Stan Stokrocki > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38484	From: aflyerfann	Date: 1/26/2006
Subject: steam chest

Does anyone have a steam chest for sale,or know who sells them? Need one for a 21004 0-6-0. tom.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38485	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 1/26/2006
Subject: Re: boxes, collectibles & that Kidney Stone

David..... Glad you are better..... My wife collected Breyer Horses and Barbie dolls..... Breyer and other collectors strongly reccommend removing the horses from thier boxes because they feel the materials in them will cause damage to the contents...... I still have several hundred in her old toy room..... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Dewey" <djdewey@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 12:12 AM Subject: [S-Trains] boxes, collectibles & that Kidney Stone > Hi all. > Well, for those who don't understand how a box becomes more valuable than > its contents, welcome to the world of collectibles. Sometimes value is > decided by what survives. In the case of our trains, they were sold as > toys, > the boxes were just something to ship them in and make them look good on > the > shelf (in the store). So many more trains survived than did boxes. Just > watch children opening their toys today, most the packaging is in shambles > and ends up in the dumpster before the day is over. Othertimes value is > determined by the whims of the current collectors. No logic to that one! > Well, I am home from the hospital. Had to go in Monday 1AM and just got > out this morning, having passed the stone during the night. Oh boy, don't > want to do that again! Have to change some of my lifestyle, I'm afraid. So > here I am at home, finally working out all the drugs, and seemingly caught > a > terrible cold at the hospital (told you it was a bad place to be sick!). > Run 'em if ya got 'em! > S" > David D. > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38486	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 1/26/2006
Subject: Re: Subject: boxes, collectibles & that Kidney Stone

At the time work was real bad........ It was well spent paying bills...... Good Lord was looking out for us.... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: TOMmINIL@... To: rcon7@... ; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com ; plotnick@... ; mlmarmer@... Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 11:37 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: Subject: boxes, collectibles & that Kidney Stone What did you do with the $7200.00 LOL [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38487	From: mvandiver2@aol.com	Date: 1/26/2006
Subject: Thanks to Paul Yorke

I want to take this opportunity to once again thank Paul Yorke for all his hard work on our behalf. Paul has continued to provide a wonderful service for all of us who love American Flyer trains. Paul, we appreciate your efforts and we can certainly patiently wait a few days for you to get matters worked out with a web host. Peace. Mike Vandiver [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38488	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 1/26/2006
Subject: Re: Subject: boxes, collectibles & that Kidney Stone

In the 1970s a man came in my office and offered this bill to me for 2.00..... It was a Barr note...... serial # *0000000001 and was well used........ I have since seen 1 more go at around 4000....I still have 1 bill where the 2 serial numbers are not the same..... 1 starts 67...... the other no. starts 68 ....... . Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "mlmarmer" <mlmarmer@...> To: "ROBERT ALLEN CONNER" <rcon7@...>; <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; "Roy Plotnick" <plotnick@...> Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 9:58 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: Subject: boxes, collectibles & that Kidney Stone > That is why I said to have a really high reserve, as I hope 7200 was a > great > return for you in the end. If a dealer offered you 160 and you got 7200, > hopefully you did very well with the return, even though it was sold. How > available is this bill and the going price? > > I have no plans at this time to do such a thing, since I don't have the > urge > to sell anything at this time. Hopefully not for the next 20 to 30 years. > I hope the market for it doesn't tank however, but so be it. > > Mike > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "ROBERT ALLEN CONNER" <rcon7@...> > To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; "Roy Plotnick" <plotnick@...>; > "mlmarmer" <mlmarmer@...> > Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 9:15 PM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: Subject: boxes, collectibles & that Kidney > Stone > > >> Careful Guys....... I had an item, old piece of paper money, the dealers > had >> offered me as much as 160.00..... >> I tried this.on ebay.... 99.99 opening bid with a 999.99 reserve...... >> didn't really want to sell it....... It closed at 7200.00..... all I have > is >> a picture somewhere..... Bob >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "mlmarmer" <mlmarmer@...> >> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; "Roy Plotnick" <plotnick@...> >> Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 7:31 PM >> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: Subject: boxes, collectibles & that Kidney > Stone >> >> >> > Roy, >> > >> > I too, have a box for the Domino Sugar car. >> > >> > I have wondered the value of that box. >> > >> > A friend said put it on Ebay, with a very high reserve, like $500 or >> > so, >> > and >> > see what happens. Higher, if you really don't want to sell it. >> > >> > Tricky way of finding out. >> > >> > Mike >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Roy Plotnick" <plotnick@...> >> > To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> >> > Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 1:00 PM >> > Subject: [S-Trains] RE: Subject: boxes, collectibles & that Kidney >> > Stone >> > >> > >> >> First, I wish David a full and swift recovery; remember that this to >> >> shall pass. >> >> >> >> Now: I have an original Gilbert Domino Sugar car is very good >> >> condition. At a later time, I found an original box for it (yes, just >> >> the box) at an antique store. So what does this do to the value? >> >> How >> >> rare is this car with the box? - Roy >> >> >> >> >Message: 16 >> >> > Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 21:12:10 -0800 >> >> > From: "David Dewey" <djdewey@...> >> >> >Subject: boxes, collectibles & that Kidney Stone >> >> > >> >> >Hi all. >> >> > Well, for those who don't understand how a box becomes more >> >> > valuable >> > than >> >> >its contents, welcome to the world of collectibles. Sometimes value >> >> >is >> >> >decided by what survives. In the case of our trains, they were sold >> >> >as >> > toys, >> >> >the boxes were just something to ship them in and make them look good > on >> > the >> >> >shelf (in the store). So many more trains survived than did boxes. > Just >> >> >watch children opening their toys today, most the packaging is in >> > shambles >> >> >and ends up in the dumpster before the day is over. Othertimes value > is >> >> >determined by the whims of the current collectors. No logic to that > one! >> >> > Well, I am home from the hospital. Had to go in Monday 1AM and >> >> > just >> > got >> >> >out this morning, having passed the stone during the night. Oh boy, >> >> >don't >> >> >want to do that again! Have to change some of my lifestyle, I'm > afraid. >> > So >> >> >here I am at home, finally working out all the drugs, and seemingly >> > caught a >> >> >terrible cold at the hospital (told you it was a bad place to be > sick!). >> >> >Run 'em if ya got 'em! >> >> >S" >> >> >David D. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >>________________________________________________________________________ >> >> > >> >> > >> >> Roy E. Plotnick >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com >> >> All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! >> >> >> >> Enjoy thousands of great photos >> >> at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail >> >> Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com >> > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! >> > >> > Enjoy thousands of great photos >> > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail >> > Yahoo! Groups Links >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38489	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 1/26/2006
Subject: Re: S-Scale Modeling Long passenger cars

The Big "E" is the name of the for the Eastern States Exposition Center . Don thebentnail wrote: >--- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, Donald Thompson <don@s...> wrote: > > >>Dear Stan, >> If "L" had any interest at all in moving "S" into the next >> >> >level, > > >>they would make this for AF. >>Best, >>Don >>PS Might we see you at the West Springfield, MA train show at the >> >> >Big > > >>"E" this weekend? This is the largest open trains show in the >> >> >Northeast > > >>and has a hugh "S" presence. >> >> >> > > Somebody please tell me just what the "E" means? I guessed >that "L" was for Lionel and not Loizeaux. I know what the "AF" & "S" >is for! > >Rustermier > > > > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38490	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 1/26/2006
Subject: Flyonel roller pick ups?

The discussion came up on Sunday's chat about using the Flyonel roller pick ups used on the new Docksider for other locos. I looked for these in the hobby shop's Lionel parts list. No number is listed, so evidently they are not availible to Lionel Service Stations just yet. I guess this shouldn't be surprising as it's unlikely any new Docksiders have racked up enough miles to need them. If anyone gets more info, please advise the list as I think these would be quite an upgrade over the original sliding pick up, if this modification is possible. Stumpy Stone...stuck in Appalachia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38491	From: Art Shifrin	Date: 1/26/2006
Subject: Boxes (aka packaging)

As a collector and connosieur of certain trains and old disk recordings (78s) I assure you that the presence of a correct box or sleeve for an artifact is emotionally (whimsically if you'd like) gratifying. I've not yet done so, but I plan to display original AF boxes with their labels facing outwards on at least one shelf here in "ye olde choo choo and wax werkes). By emulating an AF dealer's 1938 - 1942 store's shelf, that's more incentive for my blood to continue to circulate and another way for me to attain a legal 'high'. It's the same when I pull out a shellac platter and it's in an historically correct (meaning that most had somewhat generalized graphics for the year & type of issue)sleeve. How much I might be willing to pay for a box or sleeve is simply a function of perceived disposable income at the time I have the opportunity of acquiring it. Best, Shiffy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38492	From: Larry Moore	Date: 1/26/2006
Subject: Air Chime Whistle

Question to the group, concerning air chime whistle. I recently purchased a K335 with the whistle. Prior to obtaining the engine, I had previously bought a whistle generator, in anticipation of some day having an engine to go with it. Having never heard one in operation, I did not know what kind of sound to expect. After hooking it up to try it, the sound produced is jut a static like buzzing. My question is, what should the sound be? Thanks in advance for the expert knowledge shared with this group. Larry [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38493	From: romoyer@att.net	Date: 1/26/2006
Subject: Ball bearings for AF steam

Ladies and Gentlemen: A few years ago some one was offering bearings that fit AF steam driver wheel axles. From what I recall the frame had to be drilled out to accomodate the bearings. First question, Did anyone modify an engine with the bearing? Second question, How was the performance? Third question, Are they still available? Regards Bob Moyer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38494	From: charlie and edith	Date: 1/27/2006
Subject: Set, value, help

Greetings! Called in response to an ad in the newspaper .... A 1952, K335, the 4 set cars, track and some "odds and ends". It will be available next Monday for viewing. There are no boxes. I realize there are many variables, but need some help determining a "ball park" figure for this set. Look forward to your thoughts!! Thanks and best wishes, Charlie [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38495	From: jayhoo64	Date: 1/27/2006
Subject: Re: Thanks to Paul Yorke

Same here. Paul's photo album site is a great place to post pix. Here's hoping he can find a more reliable host and get it all working again. Bert has all his files backed up! Many thanx, Paul! Chuck F.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38496	From: mlmarmer	Date: 1/27/2006
Subject: eBay Ultra Rare Acme Salesman Sample Traffic Signal Light (item 603

http://cgi.ebay.com/Ultra-Rare-Acme-Salesman-Sample-Traffic-Signal-Light_W0QQitemZ6031648661QQcategoryZ721QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem This must of been a salesman sample for a real light. Maybe some foolish O gauger will buy this. LOL Long live S, where track is two rail, as we can't be fooled what track is suppose to be like. Isn't that like a "Who" song? Mike Marmer

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38497	From: colleenandrob	Date: 1/27/2006
Subject: Pullman question

Hello, Would the 302ac Locomotive ever come with the 600 series pullmans? I don't have a catalog old enough to show the 600 series sets. Thank you! Rob

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38498	From: RCESpeak	Date: 1/27/2006
Subject: Re: eBay Ultra Rare Acme Salesman Sample Traffic Signal Light (item

mlmarmer wrote: > >http://cgi.ebay.com/Ultra-Rare-Acme-Salesman-Sample-Traffic-Signal-Light_W0QQitemZ6031648661QQcategoryZ721QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > >This must of been a salesman sample for a real light. > >Maybe some foolish O gauger will buy this. LOL > >Long live S, where track is two rail, as we can't be fooled what track is >suppose to be like. Isn't that like a "Who" song? > >Mike Marmer > > > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >Enjoy thousands of great photos >at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > Mike, It's a really cool looking piece. But it won't fit on my layout so I think I'll pass. .... Barb... ;-) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38499	From: EUGENE HAGERMAN	Date: 1/27/2006
Subject: Re: 2in1 Whistle

Hi All, I recently aquired and 2&1 whistle, Its in pretty bad shape and need restoring, I'm wondering if anyone has a schematic or diagram of this and the best way to repair it. Thank in advance, Don Rodgers [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38500	From: mlmarmer	Date: 1/27/2006
Subject: Re: eBay Ultra Rare Acme Salesman Sample Traffic Signal Light (item

Barb, It is, as I realized it was too big for S, so that is why I thought some O gauge person might be interested. Maybe LGB? By the way, to the people on the TCA list, Barb is one of the best in S and has a wonderful layout that hopefully soon will be featured in CTT. She has really wonderful things on the layout, a custom made by someone who sells at York, Oil Refinery and a log flume. Maybe Barb will pass her webpage to the list for pictures she has of her layout. Mike Marmer Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: RCESpeak To: mlmarmer Cc: Toy Trains ; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com ; Ralph Loveless Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 9:45 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] eBay Ultra Rare Acme Salesman Sample Traffic Signal Light (item 6031648661 end mlmarmer wrote: http://cgi.ebay.com/Ultra-Rare-Acme-Salesman-Sample-Traffic-Signal-Light_W0QQitemZ6031648661QQcategoryZ721QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem This must of been a salesman sample for a real light. Maybe some foolish O gauger will buy this. LOL Long live S, where track is two rail, as we can't be fooled what track is suppose to be like. Isn't that like a "Who" song? Mike Marmer S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links Mike, It's a really cool looking piece. But it won't fit on my layout so I think I'll pass. .... Barb... ;-) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38501	From: larry999970123	Date: 1/27/2006
Subject: American Models E8 and American Models Switches

HAs anyone experienced problems with AM E8's not tracking well thru the curved (diverging) route of the AM switches. The front axle of the from truck seem to lift slightly above the rail head/frog. This is on both trucks. The truck has springs on all three axles and the middle axle is slightly less springy and so the outer axles on the truck are springier, but on the diverging route of the AM switches this causes the front(springier) axle to lift up over the frog. This while pulling 5 Budd cars with hi-rail wheels and couplers Larry Janeski

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38502	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 1/27/2006
Subject: Re: American Models E8 and American Models Switches

Larry, Not sure about the E-8 but I have done a bit of tweaking to my AM turnouts to help with "picking the frog". If you look at this link.. http://www.tuveson.com/TurnoutGuardRail/guardrail3.htm you can see that if you look very closeley at the point of the frog I have very slightly beveled the plastic a bit with an exacto knife to help the wheel flange roll back off of the point. I also added the missing guard rail to aid in backing through the turnout. Carl -----Original Message----- From: larry999970123 [mailto:ljaneski@...] Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 12:30 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] American Models E8 and American Models Switches HAs anyone experienced problems with AM E8's not tracking well thru the curved (diverging) route of the AM switches. The front axle of the from truck seem to lift slightly above the rail head/frog. This is on both trucks. The truck has springs on all three axles and the middle axle is slightly less springy and so the outer axles on the truck are springier, but on the diverging route of the AM switches this causes the front(springier) axle to lift up over the frog. This while pulling 5 Budd cars with hi-rail wheels and couplers Larry Janeski S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38503	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 1/27/2006
Subject: S Scale Steeplecabs are here

Gentlemen and Ladies: I have received the first three of my seven Class B Steeplecabs. They consist of three sheets of etched brass. These have been etched at least four times to get details at different depths (or all the way through). They are etched on both sides. They are very nice. The first sheet has the cab walls. These include the windows, window frames, and doors. The second sheet has the cab roof, the two short hoods, and four optional louvers for the low hoods. The third sheet is heavier and has the frame. The frame has the ladders, pilot, and footboards attached. Also on this sheet are sides for the frames with two mounts for Kadee Coupler boxes and two optional bolsters. I am very excited and look forward to building the first one. Currently I am working on plans to power the first one. Thorin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38504	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 1/27/2006
Subject: Re: Pullman question

As far as I know only the red or green 650 / 651 set of 1948..... 4803..... however since all were sold seperate..... some one could have sold loose stock like this...... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "colleenandrob" <colleenandrob@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 12:18 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Pullman question > Hello, > > Would the 302ac Locomotive ever come with the 600 series pullmans? I > don't have a catalog old enough to show the 600 series sets. > > Thank you! > > Rob > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38505	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 1/27/2006
Subject: Re: Thanks to Paul Yorke

Amen to that! Dick Aurora, OH -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of jayhoo64 Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 4:13 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Thanks to Paul Yorke Same here. Paul's photo album site is a great place to post pix. Here's hoping he can find a more reliable host and get it all working again. Bert has all his files backed up! Many thanx, Paul! Chuck F. S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38506	From: Charles E. Smith	Date: 1/27/2006
Subject: Re: Pullman question

Check the link http://www.myflyertrains.org/AF_Catalogs/Gilbert%20Catalogs.htm to browse catalogs. Chuck Smith, On matters of style swim with the current. On matters of substance stand like a rock. Thos. Jefferson (may be paraphrased) ----- Original Message ----- From: "ROBERT ALLEN CONNER" <rcon7@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; "colleenandrob" <colleenandrob@...> Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 3:32 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Pullman question > As far as I know only the red or green 650 / 651 set of 1948..... 4803..... > however since all were sold seperate..... some one could have sold loose > stock like this...... Bob > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "colleenandrob" <colleenandrob@...> > To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 12:18 AM > Subject: [S-Trains] Pullman question > > > > Hello, > > > > Would the 302ac Locomotive ever come with the 600 series pullmans? I > > don't have a catalog old enough to show the 600 series sets. > > > > Thank you! > > > > Rob > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38507	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 1/27/2006
Subject: Re: Replacing AF plastic wheels

----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Matsick" <jpmatsick@...> . . . . . . . can the "Plastic" wheels of Gilbert and or Lionel Flyer cars be replaced with insulated steel wheels and maintain the original trucks? > > > > > > > > > S-Helper Service claims to have such wheels. But you have to specify that you want item # 00967, both sides insulated, or item # 00979, only one side insulated, for electreical pick up. If you don't use thoses numbers they will send you the wrong thing. Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38508	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 1/27/2006
Subject: Re: S Scale Steeplecabs are here

Dear Rusty: The steeplecabs are still available. They are found at http://www.mrrwarehouse.com/MRW-Made/steeple.htm. Scroll down about 5 - 8 screenfulls and you will find the "CURRENT TRACTION LTD TIMETABLE". The available Baldwin-Westinghouse Class 'B' is listed there for $129.95 each. The 'D' is planned for the spring. A Brill 55 is also planned. Now remember, this is only a kit for the shell. No motor, no sideframes, no trucks, no headlights, no bell, no trolley poles, no pantograph, no air tanks, etc. Some of these parts are available in S and the rest can be built or stolen from HO or O parts. Here are a few parts of the 1033 parts I used in each of my 40 ton GE steeplecabs. ------------------------------------------------------------- Cal-Scale HO air activated bell number BE-285 for the hood bell. The lower headlights, Cal-Scale HO HL-207. BTS Details 2001 single chime air horns. BTS Details 1090 Alco Air Reserve for air tanks. Windshield wipers will either be Cal-Scale O Scale Wind Shield Wipers #3017 or Utah Pacific Windshield Wipers WW-94. (I have used both. I need to look and see which will fit the new shell better.) You might not need windshield wipers. I model Iowa Traction in 2006. I build my overhead for pantograph-only operation. (It is much, much easier than building trolley pole friendly overhead.) I build my own pantographs from scratch but others successfully run their electrics with American Model's. Yes, the models are powered by the overhead. Thorin -----Original Message----- From: notify@yahoogroups.com [mailto:notify@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of thebentnail Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 3:40 PM To: Marty.Thorin Subject: Re: S Scale Steeplecabs are here --- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, "Marty.Thorin" <thorin.marty@w...> wrote: > > Gentlemen and Ladies: > I have received the first three of my seven Class B Steeplecabs. Were did you find them and are they still available? Rusty

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38509	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 1/27/2006
Subject: "L" NEW HEAVY WEIGHTS

On the "L" new catalog for 2006 is a new train with new heavyweight passenger cars. I have not seen any comment on the list about this one. Perhaps they will have cars for separate sale. Pacific locomotive and tender, combination car, two coaches, observation car. Gauge: American Flyer Dimensions: Length: Approx. 62 1/2" (6-49616) $839.99 The Chicago & Alton Railroad was a pioneer in luxury passenger service. After the turn of the twentieth century, the railroad's premier run between Chicago and St. Louis was named the Alton Limited, but was often referred to as the "red train" because of its trademark livery. In 1924, the C & A updated the Alton Limited: A fast, Pacific-type locomotive pulled a brand new set of Pullman heavyweight cars, all painted in matching shades of maroon and red. From its debut at Chicago's (then under-construction) Union Station, the "new" Alton Limited was given the title "Handsomest Train in the World." The American Flyer Alton Limited set features an all-new scale-sized Pacific type locomotive and matching all-new heavyweight passenger cars. Glenn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38510	From: firex43	Date: 1/27/2006
Subject: Parts Needed: AF 30 B Volt Meter Trim

Parts Needed: I am in need of an outer trim ring/bezel for an AF 30 B style volt meter. If anyone has one for sale with 4 good tabs or a junker meter complete, please contact me off-list with regard to purchasing same. Thanks in advance. John Keating

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38511	From: Roy Inman	Date: 1/27/2006
Subject: Re: "L" NEW HEAVY WEIGHTS

Quite a bit of comment about the C&A set a few days after the catalog appeared online, but went quickly silent. Since I have to have one of the sets regardless (C&A was one of the 12 founding railroads of Union Station Kansas City), I guess I will have to accept whatever they are. One could read into the copy you forwarded that the cars are scale also. Dare we hope such a thing...? I would go so far as to presume that at some point there would be an add-on two-car set in C&A. Whether in other road names is a good question. Those UP cars look pretty good also. Roy Inman > From: Glenn Ritter <gartrain@...> > Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 17:23:45 -0500 > To: A/S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [S-Trains] "L" NEW HEAVY WEIGHTS > > On the "L" new catalog for 2006 > is a new train with new heavyweight > passenger cars. I have not seen > any comment on the list about this one. > Perhaps they will have cars for separate sale. > Pacific locomotive and tender, combination car, two coaches, observation car. > > Gauge: American Flyer > Dimensions: Length: Approx. 62 1/2" > > (6-49616) $839.99 > > The Chicago & Alton Railroad was a pioneer in luxury passenger service. After > the turn of the twentieth century, the railroad's premier run between Chicago > and St. Louis was named the Alton Limited, but was often referred to as the > "red train" because of its trademark livery. In 1924, the C & A updated the > Alton Limited: A fast, Pacific-type locomotive pulled a brand new set of > Pullman heavyweight cars, all painted in matching shades of maroon and red. > From its debut at Chicago's (then under-construction) Union Station, the "new" > Alton Limited was given the title "Handsomest Train in the World." > The American Flyer Alton Limited set features an all-new scale-sized Pacific > type locomotive and matching all-new heavyweight passenger cars. > > Glenn > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38512	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 1/27/2006
Subject: New "L" catalog

Since we are back on the catalog, I got my on paper copy this week. Yes, the AF section looks nice. They sure have a lot of new for the 3 rail people. A lot of very nice stuff, so we are only getting crumbs. They even show new Christmas stuff, but no AF Christmas car. I wonder if all the Christmas stuff they had last year did not sell well enough for them. jfred --------------------------------- Yahoo! Autos. Looking for a sweet ride? Get pricing, reviews, & more on new and used cars. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38513	From: Ironhorse	Date: 1/27/2006
Subject: ACG Steam loco pilots

I am wondering if there is a market for the following conversion in American Flyer Gilbert steam locos. I am considering making loco pilots that can use the knuckle coupler. Since there are different versions I would make some of them if I decide there is a demand for them. If you may be interested, please respond. And state how many you would like. Are you dealers interested ? This would not detract the value of your loco because you would still have the original pilot. Roger

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38514	From: Scott Holm	Date: 1/27/2006
Subject: Re: Air Chime Whistle

Buzzing is about it. The speaker is just reproducing the sound of the buzzer in the controller. You might be able change the pitch a little by slightly bending the vanes in the tube. There is also a controller (710?) with a slide control that allows you to change pitch while sounding the whistle/buzzer, which sounds a little more like a steam whistle, and then there is the electronic whistle control which is supposed to do the same thing. I have two of them and can't get either one to work at all. Although after all is said and done, I always thought the horn on my 499 New Haven electric sounded pretty good. It still seems like it should be possible to use a solid state device to generate a whistle sound and inject that into the track power, which would be reproduced by the speaker in the engine. We need an electronics expert to design something like this. Carl Tuveson? Larry Moore <mo2337@...> wrote: Question to the group, concerning air chime whistle. I recently purchased a K335 with the whistle. Prior to obtaining the engine, I had previously bought a whistle generator, in anticipation of some day having an engine to go with it. Having never heard one in operation, I did not know what kind of sound to expect. After hooking it up to try it, the sound produced is jut a static like buzzing. My question is, what should the sound be? Thanks in advance for the expert knowledge shared with this group. Larry --------------------------------- What are the most popular cars? Find out at Yahoo! Autos [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38515	From: kenwoodies1	Date: 1/28/2006
Subject: Re: New "L" catalog

Jfred, I wouldn't call over 30 new items just "crumbs". Back in 1979 when Lionel started reissuing Flyer they produced just 3 cars and in 1980 there were 4 cars, one of which was that horrible Burlington gondola. Those were just crumbs and we were glad to get them as it had been well over a decade since there had been any new Flyer. As to the Flyer Christmas cars, they were a complete sellout for Lionel. Some dealers did not get all they ordered. Watch for the new Christmas items to be announced in March where I believe you will see more offerings than in previous years. Jim Duncan

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38516	From: joan dienst	Date: 1/28/2006
Subject: Question about paint

I have a 332 Northern that was painted on the boiler with silver paint, it looks like it was applied with a brush. The rest of the engine is in nice shape including the cab and original numbers.. I don't want to try and paint it myself . I would like the name of someone who will do the restoration.. Also, one of the steps is broken off on the tender, I have the step. What kind of epoxy should I use? I tried super glue, but it did not hold.. thx Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38517	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 1/28/2006
Subject: Re: Thanks to Paul Yorke

It was Paul's pioneering and hard work on the internet that earned him the NASG's Bernie Thomas award. BTW, have you folks checked out Robert Graves site? It's "The Trains of the Upstairs Train" at: http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/trains.html or it can be accessed at: http://www.s-scaletrains.com/saf.htm Roy --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Dick Kuepper" <rkuepper@a...> wrote: > > Amen to that! > > Dick > Aurora, OH > > > -----Original Message----- > From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf > Of jayhoo64 > Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 4:13 AM > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Thanks to Paul Yorke > > > Same here. Paul's photo album site is a great place to post pix. Here's > hoping he can find a more reliable host and get it all working again. > > Bert has all his files backed up! > > Many thanx, Paul! > > > Chuck F. > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38518	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 1/28/2006
Subject: Who has a secure web site, takes plastic, and carries Bar Mill's G

I would like to purchase one. Thank! Thorin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38519	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 1/28/2006
Subject: Building MRRW Steeple Cab Kits

Good Morning: I have several Model Railroad Warehouse kits to build. They consist of sheets of etched brass that I need to bend. I fear my current tools are inadequate to do the 90 degree bends for the cab. Each corner of the cab is beside pre-cut windows. I measured the sheets with a micrometer. The frame is 0.032 inches thick, The cab walls and cab roof are 0.015. Where the bends are to be done, the brass sheet has been etched to about half its measured thickness. The longest bend I need help with is a little under 2 inches. I can bend the frame with my current tools: a good, small vice. It's the cab that needs help. Would the MicroMart Mini Bending Brake (http://www.ares-server.com/Ares/Ares.asp?MerchantID=RET01229&Action=Cat alog&Type=Product&ID=16101) be a good choice? Any other tips you might have before I damage the first one? Thanks! Thorin Marty Milwaukee, WI

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38520	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 1/28/2006
Subject: Fw: S GAUGE TRAIN MEMBERS!

This seems to have stopped at 125 people. Have you signed on? Here is a map of the U.S. showing the location of many S Gaugers. Go to the website: http://www.frappr.com/strains Glenn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38521	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 1/28/2006
Subject: Re: Building MRRW Steeple Cab Kits

Yes that would be fine to bend what you want to do. Just Take your time and be careful. On Jan 28, 2006, at 10:03 AM, Marty.Thorin wrote: > ould the MicroMart Mini Bending Brake > (http://www.ares-server.com/Ares/Ares.asp? > MerchantID=RET01229&Action=Cat > alog&Type=Product&ID=16101) be a good choice? > > Any other tips you might have before I damage the first one? > Thanks! > Thorin Marty > Milwaukee, WI Thank you Larry Jackman ljack70117@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38522	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 1/28/2006
Subject: Re: Building MRRW Steeple Cab Kits

Dear Kenn: It would be easy to photocopy the etchings. In fact, I have done so and all three fit onto one 8 1/2 * 11 sheet. These 'paper steeplecabs' will be used to experiment with motors and frames. Paper is easy to alter and if I blow it, I just make another. But the brass has depth and built-in bend-points. The resulting paper steeplecab is 'lumpy' while the brass one will be 'flat'. Brass is a one-time alter. No, you may not have one and I will not post it to the web. That I feel violates MRRW's copyright (whether they state the copyright explicitly or not). It could be reproduced as styrene. It would be a lot of work. The brass has been dipped four times into the enchant and is etched on both sides. The bending points are pre-etched. The windows are recessed with frames. The window rubber strips stick out from the side, just like the rivets. I recommend purchasing the brass. Its only $129.95. Plus the weight of brass will provide good traction. I will have some challenges someday. MC&CL 50 was built in the company shops. A B-W Steeplecab has three side windows on each side with wide strips between. MC&CL 50 was a wooden cab and nothing but windows! Preston works of Canada produced their own version with only two windows on the side. I haven't figured out how to model these yet. Thorin -----Original Message----- From: notify@yahoogroups.com [mailto:notify@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of kenn Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2006 9:09 AM To: Marty.Thorin Subject: Re: Building MRRW Steeple Cab Kits --- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, "Marty.Thorin" <thorin.marty@w...> wrote: > > Good Morning: > I have several Model Railroad Warehouse kits to build. They consist > of sheets of etched brass that I need to bend. I fear my current > tools are inadequate to do the 90 degree bends for the cab. > Each corner of the cab is beside pre-cut windows. > I measured the sheets with a micrometer. The frame is 0.032 inches > thick, The cab walls and cab roof are 0.015. Where the bends are > to be done, the brass sheet has been etched to about half its measured > thickness. The longest bend I need help with is a little under 2 > inches. I can bend the frame with my current tools: a good, small vice. > It's the cab that needs help. > > Would the MicroMart Mini Bending Brake > (http://www.ares-server.com/Ares/Ares.asp? MerchantID=RET01229&Action=Cat > alog&Type=Product&ID=16101) be a good choice? > > Any other tips you might have before I damage the first one? > Thanks! > Thorin Marty > Milwaukee, WI That unit is set up for that type of prject and i personall think that it would be a great choice,, I also wanted to ask it it would be possible for you to take a photo copy of the unbent sheets......I am wondering how hard it would be to make one out of styrene....good luck on the project Kenn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38523	From: Robert Graves	Date: 1/28/2006
Subject: Questions on couplers

I'm tired of seeing Pike Master couplers being called knuckle couplers on eBay, so I'm putting together a page on my site that shows the four generations of AF couplers. To fill in some holes in my knowledge, I need a couple of bits of information and would greatly appreciate your help. The TM Guide refers to a "solid knuckle coupler" on the Simmons reefer; Greenberg calls it a "one piece plastic knuckle coupler." I also have a handwritten note in my copy of the TM Guide that says the 24310 and 24325 tank cars also had them, though Greenberg's pictures them with standard knuckle couplers. Can anyone validate my notes or should I erase them? Was this coupler used on any other cars? Anyway, can anyone tell me anything about that coupler? Was it a precursor to the Pike Master? The picture in Greenberg's looks like a Pike Master without the finger sticking down. Same on the Rarity Repaints page. But both show the coupler only from the side. Can anyone send me pictures from above, below, and both sides? Last question: What year did Lionel introduce their redesigned knuckle coupler? Thanks in advance for your help! Bob, at the computer downstairs from The Upstairs Train --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? With a free 1 GB, there's more in store with Yahoo! Mail. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38524	From: lember2004	Date: 1/28/2006
Subject: Responses to ? on Lockout Eliminator "insides"

The consensus is that the Lockout Eliminator contains a 10 ohm resistor and nothing more. Thanks to all that responded! Mark

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38525	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 1/28/2006
Subject: Re: Question about paint

Hi Mike, It sounds like you have a good candidate for repaint there, if the silver paint is that objectionable. A number of guys can do the painting, but why don't you try it yourself? Once the decision to repaint is made, you can't go wrong. Since the shell is metal, any stripper will work, and there are a couple of paints that will nicely simulate the old Flyer finish. The numbers and lettering are also available from our usual parts suppliers. As far as the step goes, super glue usually won't hold. A small hole can be drilled in the step and body, and a pin can be inserted to strengthen the step. A good epoxy should be used for final assembly. A thin strip of metal can also be applied from behind to further strengthen the step. If you don't feel comfortable doing these steps, I'm sure there are people out there who can do it for you (including me). But half the fun (IMHO) of these great trains is doing you own repairs and tinkering with them Just remember to have fun while you're doing it. Jerry Poniatowski Registrar, 2006 NASG Convention --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "joan dienst" <mike-joan41428@m...> wrote: > > I have a 332 Northern that was painted on the boiler with silver paint, it looks like it was applied with a brush. The rest of the engine is in nice shape including the cab and original numbers.. I don't want to try and paint it myself . I would like the name of someone who will do the restoration.. > > Also, one of the steps is broken off on the tender, I have the step. What kind of epoxy should I use? I tried super glue, but it did not hold.. > > thx Mike > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38526	From: Lance McCold	Date: 1/28/2006
Subject: Re: American Models E8 and American Models Switches

Larry, I don't know the E8, but a friend and I have SD60s that I think have the same truck design. His locomotive has high-rail wheels and mine has scale wheels. He experienced the kind of problem you describe. Mine doesn't. After studying the two locomotives a while, I concluded the problem is with the traction tires on the high-rail trucks. When his loco is pulling the front of the front truck rises off the rail. When it isn't pulling cars the rise is not noticeable. What (I think) is happening is that the traction tire grips so well it makes the front of the front truck lift. The rear truck would do the same thing, but because rear truck is coupled to the cars, the rise is not as noticeable. This does not happen with scale wheels because they don't have traction tires. American Models could solve the problem by redesigning the truck to put the pivot point of the truck closer to the track. This change would probably be expensive, so I wouldn't hold my breath. The solution I suggested to my friend is to move the wheelset with the traction tire to the front axle of the front truck. This way the traction tire cannot lift the front axle off the track. With the traction tire on the front axle, the amount of traction is limited to the amount that lifts the axle off the track. This solution will deliver less pulling power--but the engine will stay on the track. Another approach is to replace the traction tire wheelsets with non-traction tire wheelsets. Again you loose pulling power, but the problem disappears. A partial solution would be to add more weight to the front of the locomotive--which makes it harder for the front wheels to lift off the track, but I don't think you can add enough weight to make the problem disappear completely. If adding weight appeals to you, go ahead and replace the traction tire wheelsets with non-traction tire wheelsets. You will have good tracking and good pulling power. (By the way, my scale SD60 pulls quite well with no traction tires.) My friend decided to put his locomotive on the shelf rather than test my theory. If you try these ideas or come up with a better idea please let the group know. I am sure others with E8 or SD60 locomotives are having similar problems. Lance McCold Knoxville, Tennessee At 05:40 PM 1/28/2006 +0000, you wrote: >Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 17:30:13 -0000 > From: "larry999970123" <ljaneski@...> >Subject: American Models E8 and American Models Switches > >HAs anyone experienced problems with AM E8's >not tracking well thru the curved (diverging) route of the >AM switches. > >The front axle of the from truck seem to lift slightly >above the rail head/frog. This is on both trucks. > > >The truck has springs on all three axles and the middle axle >is slightly less springy and so the outer axles on the truck >are springier, but on the diverging route of the AM switches >this causes the front(springier) axle to lift up over the frog. > >This while pulling 5 Budd cars with hi-rail wheels and couplers > >Larry Janeski

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38527	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 1/28/2006
Subject: Off Topic;speed warning

Hey, y'all...If you are coming to the S Spree this spring be careful of speeding, not signaling, etc. Our convicted criminal Governor has signed an order forcing the Highway Patrol to write MORE tickets. Ohio already has a reputation for treating speeding as a capital offence, and the boys are out in force for sure now! Be real careful driving in Ohio. Stumpy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38528	From: uvl97222	Date: 1/28/2006
Subject: # 25 smoke

Hi all of you, I think you will get a kick out of this. I put some photos up for you all to see, and here is why the you can't fined the little # 25 smoke caps. I think I have over 1500 of them could be more. There is 72 of them in a box, and 12 in each of the little boxes. I also just put my dad's bench up by the train room to work on my trains now. He would of liked that idea. With out my dad getting in to trains when we where little I would of never started.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38529	From: Robert Graves	Date: 1/28/2006
Subject: Boxcar hatches?

I know what the roof hatch is for on a fefrigerator car (to put the ice in), but what's the purpose of the thing that looks like a hatch on a boxcar? --------------------------------- Yahoo! Autos. Looking for a sweet ride? Get pricing, reviews, & more on new and used cars. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38530	From: David Engle	Date: 1/28/2006
Subject: Re: # 25 smoke

Any chance those could have the right shape needed to use for station platform lights, or something similar? -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of uvl97222 Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2006 5:12 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] # 25 smoke Hi all of you, I think you will get a kick out of this. I put some photos up for you all to see, and here is why the you can't fined the little # 25 smoke caps. I think I have over 1500 of them could be more. There is 72 of them in a box, and 12 in each of the little boxes. I also just put my dad's bench up by the train room to work on my trains now. He would of liked that idea. With out my dad getting in to trains when we where little I would of never started. S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38531	From: David Engle	Date: 1/28/2006
Subject: Re: Boxcar hatches?

RI had boxcars with roof hatches for cars assigned to animal hide service, these were usually older cars that were not good for anything else. Also, they had cars with hatches for flour service; but I am not sure how tht work--bagged, bulk, or what. -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Robert Graves Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2006 5:13 PM To: s-trains list Subject: [S-Trains] Boxcar hatches? I know what the roof hatch is for on a refrigerator car (to put the ice in), but what's the purpose of the thing that looks like a hatch on a boxcar? --------------------------------- Yahoo! Autos. Looking for a sweet ride? Get pricing, reviews, & more on new and used cars. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38532	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 1/28/2006
Subject: Sunday Chat, 1/29/2006, 8:00 pm

Reminder from the Calendar of S-Trains Sunday Chat Sunday January 29, 2006 8:00 pm - 8:00 pm This event repeats every week. The next reminder for this event will be sent in 23 hours, 4 minutes. Event Location: http://s-scale.org/forum/ Street: http://s-scale.org/forum/ Notes: http://s-scale.org/forum/ ADVERTISEMENT Copyright ©  2006  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved. Privacy Policy - Terms of Service

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38533	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 1/28/2006
Subject: Fwd: No Ben No way

Classic David and Goliath here.....Fred In a message dated 1/28/2006 8:51:24 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, WJJIM writes: Thank goodness this idiotic idea didn't come to pass.... from today's Philadelphia Inquirer: 30th St. it stays, not 'Ben' Station By Inga Saffron Inquirer Architecture Critic Attention, Amtrak passengers: The main Philadelphia rail stop will continue to be known as 30th Street Station. The Pew Charitable Trusts, the philanthropy that launched a behind-the-scenes effort to rename the station in honor of Benjamin Franklin for this year's birthday bash, yesterday said it was abandoning the campaign. Pew's two-paragraph statement gave no reason for its change of mind, and a spokesperson at the trust declined to elaborate. But the foundation was no doubt heeding passionate public objections that have peppered the letters pages of Philadelphia newspapers and local airwaves since The Inquirer revealed the plan in December. "Oh, good. I'm glad to hear it," said Don Nigro, vice president of the Delaware Valley Association of Rail Passengers, when told of Pew's decision. "Thirtieth Street Station has such a history. People know what you're talking about," he added. "If you want to name something after Ben Franklin, why not do the airport?" Jerry Britten, a member of the Pennsylvania Railroad Technical and Historical Society, simply typed "Hallelujah!!!" in an e-mail when asked for his reaction. The Pennsy, as the company was nicknamed, formally opened the grand, neoclassical 30th Street Station in 1931 and maintained the building until its rail network was incorporated into Amtrak in 1971. Much of the opposition to the name change came from Philadelphians who felt that the station's vestigial connection to the Pennsylvania Railroad, and to the city's great railroad past, should be preserved. Once among the city's most powerful institutions, the Pennsylvania Railroad named the station after an adjacent street to distinguish it from its other Philadelphia stations, which included North Philadelphia and the former Broad Street Station. Though "30th Street Station" is a utilitarian geographical name, it resonates in its hometown. And despite a general fondness for Franklin, the sound of "Franklin Station" grated. Some feared that the station would inevitably be nicknamed "Ben Station." That name would almost surely confuse people headed for the "Penn Stations" in New York and Newark, N.J. Pew had sought the name change as a high-profile way to kick off this year's celebration of Franklin's 300th birthday, which began Jan. 17. Pew is lead sponsor of the congressionally chartered Tercentenary Commission, which is organizing the celebration. In the trust's initial proposal to Amtrak, Pew president Rebecca W. Rimel explained that "in looking for... ways to commemorate the first Founding Father to turn 300, my colleagues and I hit upon the idea of renaming a Philadelphia building in Franklin's honor." Pew concluded that 30th Street Station was the perfect candidate. It offered to help Amtrak, which is nearly bankrupt, pay for the name change. Pew even hired a well-known graphic-design firm to create a new logo and brand identity for the station. Pew's aggressive lobbying for the name change was particularly offensive to some Philadelphians. Until word leaked out in December, all the discussions took place in private. Mayor Street endorsed the idea in a letter to Amtrak that was dated Dec. 13 but not released for a full month. "We felt this was an issue that should be publicly discussed before any decision was made," said John Gallery, head of the Preservation Alliance for Greater Philadelphia. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38534	From: Ironhorse	Date: 1/28/2006
Subject: Re: Questions on couplers

I think the solid coupler is just what it implies. The other one has a slit in the shank starting at the thumb of the coupler. Otherwise this is also solid. The slit can only be viewed from the top.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38535	From: Charles E. Smith	Date: 1/29/2006
Subject: Re: Questions on couplers

I also have solid knuckles on some 800 series cars. Chuck Smith, On matters of style swim with the current. On matters of substance stand like a rock. Thos. Jefferson (may be paraphrased) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Graves" <theupstairstrain@...> To: "s-trains list" <s-trains@...> Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2006 12:30 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Questions on couplers > I'm tired of seeing Pike Master couplers being called knuckle couplers on eBay, so I'm putting together a page on my site that shows the four generations of AF couplers. To fill in some holes in my knowledge, I need a couple of bits of information and would greatly appreciate your help. > > The TM Guide refers to a "solid knuckle coupler" on the Simmons reefer; Greenberg calls it a "one piece plastic knuckle coupler." I also have a handwritten note in my copy of the TM Guide that says the 24310 and 24325 tank cars also had them, though Greenberg's pictures them with standard knuckle couplers. Can anyone validate my notes or should I erase them? Was this coupler used on any other cars? > > Anyway, can anyone tell me anything about that coupler? Was it a precursor to the Pike Master? The picture in Greenberg's looks like a Pike Master without the finger sticking down. Same on the Rarity Repaints page. But both show the coupler only from the side. Can anyone send me pictures from above, below, and both sides? > > Last question: What year did Lionel introduce their redesigned knuckle coupler? > > Thanks in advance for your help! > > Bob, at the computer downstairs from The Upstairs Train > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > With a free 1 GB, there's more in store with Yahoo! Mail. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38536	From: jayhoo64	Date: 1/29/2006
Subject: Re: American Models E8 and American Models Switches

Lance McCold wrote: >Another approach is to replace the traction tire wheelsets with >non-traction tire wheelsets. Interesting. That's something I've considered doing on my SD60s and my Trainmaster, but not because of any problems with turnouts. (So far I use only AF turnouts, and there have been no tracking problems.) The thing I wonder about is uneven wear of gearing. With traction tires on only one axle of each truck, most of the tractive load is applied to that axle. The all-metal wheel sets just slip when the load is more than they can pull, transferring most of the loading to the axles with rubber tires. I'd expect these "Gription" wheelset gears to wear more heavily than the non-Gription. I'm considering replacing all Gription wheelsets with regular wheelsets. >By the way, my scale SD60 pulls quite well with no traction tires. I'm sure it does. The non-Gription hirail AM diesels that I have all pull more than adequately, though I have added a couple ounces of weight to most of them. Actually, I wouldn't want them to have much more traction than they already do. I figure wheel slip is God's way of telling me I need to add another loco to the consist. >My friend decided to put his locomotive on the shelf rather than test >my theory. Too bad. AM locos are great runners. "Very, VERY useful engines", as Sir Topham Hatt might say. Chuck F.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38537	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 1/29/2006
Subject: Re;boxcar hatches

While many railroads modified cars for a particular service, the Gilbert "reefer" is incorrect. This is actually what is known as a "plug door boxcar" which Gilbert added ice hatches to. While plug door boxcars can be used for temperature sensitive service, I don't think any of the thousands built had ice hatches in the four corners of the roof. A "refrigerator" car had a pair of swinging doors on the side and ice hatches in the four corners of the roof. Some reefers had two sets of refrigerator doors per side, and even the more modern mechanically cooled cars have reefer doors. Why old Flyer "refrigerator" cars were made this way while all the other manufactures got it right, I have no idea. I can only guess that this was some way to save money in manufacture, or perhaps to give kids more "play value" by being able to put things into the car through working doors. After all, they were "toys." Stumpy Stone...if only all this useless train knowledge could have been money...in Martins Ferry, OH.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38538	From: Eric Child	Date: 1/29/2006
Subject: Solid Coupler

I remember back in the early 60's, Purity Markets offered an AF set which had all solid couplers. It consisted of an atlantic, caboose, tank car and I believe a box car. I suspect there were other special store sets that also came with the solid coupler. It looked like a standard knuckle coupler without the operating mechanism. I'll see if I can find one Eric

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38539	From: Sam and Judy Williamson	Date: 1/29/2006
Subject: Re: Boxcar hatches?

Boxcars once carried almost all high value products and shipments that needed to be kept clean and dry. Bulk materials such as chemicals and grains were a problem as it was impractical to bag huge quantities for shipment. Several railroad added a roof hatch for fast loading of these materials. At the receiving end the doors were opened and the continents removed by whatever means were at hand. The idea was that the car could then handle another shipment on the return leg but this proved impractical as a box car has many interior gaps and seams that were not easily cleaned. This method of shipment went away when somebody thought of putting a cover on hopper cars. Sam W. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Graves" <theupstairstrain@...> To: "s-trains list" <s-trains@...> Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2006 6:12 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Boxcar hatches? >I know what the roof hatch is for on a fefrigerator car (to put the ice >in), but what's the purpose of the thing that looks like a hatch on a >boxcar? > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Autos. Looking for a sweet ride? Get pricing, reviews, & more on > new and used cars. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38540	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 1/29/2006
Subject: Re: Solid Coupler

Guys, Remember that those solid couplers were used first on the 800 series of cars as a cost cutting move when the 800 seeries was cancelled. Later they were also used on the five digit series on cars that had a number ending in "0". At least that was the plan. They were also used in sets where cost was a factor. Back in the day, they were preferred by guys who wanted to run long trains and didn't want those pesky knuckles opening. Jerry Poniatowske Registrar, 2006 NASG Convention --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Eric Child <gort@b...> wrote: > > I remember back in the early 60's, Purity Markets offered an AF set > which had all solid couplers. It consisted of an atlantic, caboose, > tank car and I believe a box car. I suspect there were other special > store sets that also came with the solid coupler. It looked like a > standard knuckle coupler without the operating mechanism. I'll see > if I can find one > > Eric >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38541	From: mlmarmer	Date: 1/29/2006
Subject: Ebay experience

I have been pretty busy all day and last night with a ebay experience, that started out good and then went really bad. I would like to write about it, if the moderators will let me, as it was not a train item, but something for all of us, to think about the next time we use Ebay, as there is a good side of it too. I did get out of the transaction with no lost of money or negative feedback. Mike Marmer

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38542	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 1/29/2006
Subject: Sunday Chat, 1/29/2006, 8:00 pm

Reminder from the Calendar of S-Trains Sunday Chat Sunday January 29, 2006 8:00 pm - 8:00 pm This event repeats every week. Event Location: http://s-scale.org/forum/ Street: http://s-scale.org/forum/ Notes: http://s-scale.org/forum/ ADVERTISEMENT Copyright ©  2006  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved. Privacy Policy - Terms of Service

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38543	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 1/29/2006
Subject: S Chat, Paul's site down, enter via this link!

Most of Paul's web site is down, but you can get to the chat tonight via the link below. http://www.s-scale.org/forum/ See you there! Chuck

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38544	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 1/29/2006
Subject: Re: S Chat, Paul's site down, enter via this link!

Sorry, folks. Won't let me log on. Have a great chat. -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Harrington Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2006 7:07 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] S Chat, Paul's site down, enter via this link! Most of Paul's web site is down, but you can get to the chat tonight via the link below. http://www.s-scale.org/forum/ See you there! Chuck S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38545	From: daysend40	Date: 1/29/2006
Subject: SHS F3

Hi There: Does anyone out there know if a second headlight (lower) can be used on the SHS F3 unit? Thanks Joe Wagner trainmaster1940@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38546	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 1/29/2006
Subject: Re: Solid Coupler

Mea culpa. The solid couplers were NOT used on the 800 series cars, just the xxxx0 cars. Supposedly Jerry Needing More Sleep in Wayne, MI --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Jerry Poniatowski" <poniaj@y...> wrote: > > Guys, > > Remember that those solid couplers were used first on the 800 series > of cars as a cost cutting move when the 800 seeries was cancelled. > Later they were also used on the five digit series on cars that had a > number ending in "0". At least that was the plan. They were also > used in sets where cost was a factor. > > Back in the day, they were preferred by guys who wanted to run long > trains and didn't want those pesky knuckles opening. > > Jerry Poniatowske > Registrar, 2006 NASG Convention > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Eric Child <gort@b...> wrote: > > > > I remember back in the early 60's, Purity Markets offered an AF set > > which had all solid couplers. It consisted of an atlantic, caboose, > > tank car and I believe a box car. I suspect there were other special > > store sets that also came with the solid coupler. It looked like a > > standard knuckle coupler without the operating mechanism. I'll see > > if I can find one > > > > Eric > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38547	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 1/29/2006
Subject: Re: SHS F3

Depends on the road.........check prototype photos, or go to the Fallen Flags site.... Jerry --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "daysend40" <trainmaster1940@c...> wrote: > > Hi There: > > Does anyone out there know if a second headlight (lower) can be > used on the SHS F3 unit? > > Thanks > Joe Wagner > trainmaster1940@c... >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38548	From: jjmemmer@aol.com	Date: 1/29/2006
Subject: Hatches and roofwalks

I may be wrong,but I think the"hatch" on boxcar roofs is a continuation of the roofwalk. They all seem to line up with the ladder on the side of the car,and usually have a grabiron on their edge. This would make it easier to climb onto the roof of the car. When roofwalks were outlawed in the 60's or 70's the "hatches went away too.Guess that kinda' did away with "Smittys" job! Jerry [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38549	From: mlmarmer	Date: 1/29/2006
Subject: ebay experience

This is a "story" about a experience I had on Ebay. However, it was not for a purchase of a train item, but since many of look and/or use Ebay, I thought the story might be of interest as this could happen to you on a train or any other purchase from a on line auction. I collect milk bottles from the 1940's to the 1960's the ones that are painted with the dairy's name and on the other side some sort of slogan and/or picture. Slogans are about health, babies, pitching other products they carry,etc. Very unique for the times. Bottles range in price from 10 to 50 for the most common and then 100 to 200 for some very unusual bottles. There isn't allot of material on the market for education on types of bottles and pricing guiding, as there is for trains. I collected bottles way before getting into trains, as back in 1992, I was looking for bottles in New Oxford, PA and discovered Bill and Ellie at B&E Junction and was amazed to see American Flyer being made by Lionel. I purchase two common used AF cars and one new AF by Lionel for about 50. Today, that collection has grown quite a bit. I basically don't buy many bottles anymore, as I don't go into antique Shoppe's, but I have gotten a few from Ebay. I have about 200 bottles. While searching Ebay, just for the fun of it, for Maine Milk Bottles, as I concentrate on Maine bottles, I came across a bottle that a description of the following: **************************************************************************** ****************************************** DAIRY MILK BOTTLE CLINTON, MAINE WORLD WAR II TANK Item number: Description THIS IS A QUART DAIRY MILK BOTTLE FROM BICKFORD DAIRY FARM OUT OF CLINTON ,MAINE. THE BACK HAS A PICTURE OF THE VICTORY WORLD WAR II TANK AND READS LET'S ROLL OVER HITLER BUY BONDS. THIS WOULD MAKE A GREAT ADDITION TO YOUR BOTTLE COLLECTION. Check out my other items! **************************************************************************** ********************************* Bottles from WW2 are very unique as I have 3 of them, but this one is very usual, for the obvious reason. I thought since I might have this bottle for 20 to 30 years, it would be a great item to have in my collection, as I know this would go on Ebay between 100 to 200 dollars, which is many more times the price for common bottles I have gotten in the past. The bottle also had the word "Victory" above the tank on a battlefield. So, the good point here so far, is that Ebay gives me the opportunity to see what is on the market all across the country, that I would never see. And price was no problem, as I don't use Ebay to get things on the cheap, when I need it for my train collection or anything else. Well, I did win the bottle and I promptly paid the seller, who lives in Maine, her money via Paypal by credit card, not checkbook as Paypal wants. Probably because they have to pay the credit card service fee, where with checking they don't, I guess. The cost of the bottle was $127.50 and with shipping and insurance it was not $139. We email back and forth completing the sale, as I wrote her a bit about Maine and how we take trips to Maine all the time, over 30 times since 1987. This was at about 3:30 Saturday, 1-28-06 in the afternoon. Then all hell broke loose. I hope the following will help you in case something like this does. And don't panic, if you paid by credit card. I got a email from a ebayer telling me that the bottle is a fake. He told me he email the seller and the seller did not respond to him. He gave the seller and me a webaddress for milk bottles, that has a section on reproductions. No such bottle ever existed. I was devastated. I just spend $139 for a fake that is worth maybe five dollars. These fakes are called fantasy bottles. I did do a search on google for Bickford Dairy and nothing came up. I figure the Dairy probably went out of business a long time ago, as every city in the US and Canada had it own dairy and most are all gone. So maybe that is why there is nothing about the dairy on google. Her feedback was 100% with 285 buyers. So, I thought it was real, as there where 15 bids or so. So, it had to be real. I email the seller several times about this and I heard nothing back. Great, but I gave her the benefit of the doubt that maybe she didn't know it was not real, but why did she ignore the person who email her about the bottle with the evidence. I contacted my credit card company, told them what happen and they showed that the transaction from paypal was posted already! That quick. They told me to contact Paypal. If they don't help, then call back the credit card company and they would dispute the charge. I contacted Paypal by email and at about 10 o'clock that evening they gave me the instructions on what to do to file a claim. Meanwhile I got another email from a ebayer in NY telling me the same. Both emailers gave me there full name and where they lived, so that had to tell me they are not a crackpot. At about 11 I was processing my claim, when my time session ran out. They don't gave you enough time to do this. So I had to re-entered the website. But I checked my email and there were 3 messages from the seller. In my messages to her, I asked her why she did not respond or check this website out. I also told her what I was doing to stop the sale, but she should right away refund my money, as I said maybe you did not know it was a fake. I told her I would not give her any bad feedback, just refund the money and I don't give me bad feedback. Her first message was: hello, i respond to EVERY email, as far as the bottle i am under the assumption that it is a repro i will not lie to you, but i do not have verified info on it it is being sold for another person, if you would rather not purchase this is very understandable i have no problems or issues with this at all. please feel free to disregard the sale if you would be more comfortable with that. i am truely sorry that you are not happy and i always go out of my way to accomodate other ebayers and what not my feedback says it all. i am always under the assumption that buyers know what they are purchasing and have informed info on the items that they bid on. but as i said if you prefer NOT to purchase. no hard feelings on my part. but there is no way that i can quarantee it to be original i have no history on it the ONLY thing i know to be a fact is the bickford farm out of clinton it WAS a real working dairy many years ago. but as far as the victory decor yes i whole heartedly believe that it is a repro just because as you said it is clean and in excellent condition. but that is why i encourage people to ask questions before placing a bid i will ALWAYS answer you honestly. there would no way to prove that it were an original bottle for you even if i thought that it were truely authentic.thank you for contacting me. and do not worry in no way will i leave you a bad feedback. i would not do that to someone unless i feel that it is justified. **************************************************************************** * She lied about answering all of her emails and she admitted that the bottle was a fake and assume that the buyers know what they are buying. Train fakes I know to look for in certain pieces and get expert advise before buying, but I never image a bottle would be fake. Now that I read the description against she comes across very tricky about the bottle, as she never claimed it was a real bottle, but she never disclosed it was a fake. The part about having this for your collections is praying upon uneducated bottle buyers like me. The last email at 11, as the 2nd is just confirming the 3rd is as follows: **************************************************************************** ************ *********************** has issued you a full or partial refund for your payment. Please do not reply to this email. Email sent to this address cannot be answered. Message From Seller: hi mike here is your refund in whole. i will check out the website that pmbleiberg sent to you and get a list for my desk. that way when i do have doubts i will list as such. i will be more carefull when i describe & go with my first impression. .l** ---------------------------------------------------------------- Original Payment Details ---------------------------------------------------------------- Date Payment Sent: Jan. 28, 2006 Amount: $138.75 USD Sincerely, PayPal **************************************************************************** *********************************** So, I got my money back, thanks to the kindness of two ebayers who took the time to email me about this bottle. So, even though, I had to deal with a seller, who maybe was good till this point, because she got greedy with knowing she might fool some people, there are still many many good ebayers looking out for others, just to help. I couldn't thank them enough for what they did for me, as who knows what would of happen, if I paid by check on paypal or discovered the bottle was fake when I got, many years later. My lost. So, that is my experience on ebay, where ebay is still a good tool to see things all over the country and elsewhere, as I have purchased some trains from Canada. But I also learn to check things out more, like the item and the seller. Ask questions no matter how silly it made be, as this is the second time I had a bad deal, as many of you remember the 635 dollar Hudson I purchased from a TCA member, who quoted TCA standards on his auction and stated nothing broken, as that Hudson value is based on how many steps are broken, He was right, the steps all there, as he did say, all steps present too, but glued. That is just like a broken step. So, I had the education on this and the trust, but it still had a bad ending. I also think buying from people you know, by developing a relationship with, are the people you should buy from, as I purchased a mint Rio Grande Box, 25049 from a seller. I asked a silly question, as he told me there are no silly questions. We are good email friends today, as I have purchased about 5 AF cars from him. So, that is my story, as I was lucky to have this sale stopped and have my account credited back to me. Mike Marmer

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38550	From: Dave W	Date: 1/29/2006
Subject: Motor frustrations

I'm relatively new at this AF stuff, so what's up with those motors? I have two Atlantics (300 & 307)and a 21085 Pacific.The 21085 is a consistently good runner. The Atlantics run great for a few minutes from cold and then quit. All the continuity is good, the reverser works as it should,and I've cleaned out the armature slots. They work fine for a few minutes, then the motors just cease to co-operate even with leads directly attached. I assume the motors are original, so do I just have tired armatures? Any secrets, before I go with can motors? Regards & thanks, Dave W

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38551	From: Gerald Dobbs	Date: 1/29/2006
Subject: Re: Subject: # 25 smoke

Subject: # 25 smoke Hi all of you, I think you will get a kick out of this. I put some photos up for you all to see, and here is why the you can't fined the little # 25 smoke caps. I think I have over 1500 of them could be more. There is 72 of them in a box, and 12 in each of the little boxes. I also just put my dad's bench up by the train room to work on my trains now. He would of liked that idea. With out my dad getting in to trains when we where little I would of never started. All of my #25 smoke caps are dry, some are brittle and have broken, how are yours?? Colorado is very dry, every thing drys out. Jerry 77-11644

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38552	From: mlmarmer	Date: 1/29/2006
Subject: Re: ebay experience

I forgot to mention that the second Ebayer to email me about the bottle, told me that Maine is the hotbed for faked bottles. Sorry to all my Maine friends on the list, as I still love the state of Maine. That is where the bottle was being sold. Mike Marmer

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38553	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 1/30/2006
Subject: Re: S Scale/Gauge - Automobiles & Trucks

Please advise a good source (or manufacturer) of S Scale or gauge automobiles and or trucks, some say matchbox, to me they look like HO and just don't look right along side any S guage engine or car? Jerry Matsick

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38554	From: Thomas Doherty	Date: 1/30/2006
Subject: Re: Building MRRW Steeple Cab Kits

To get a square shape, the brass should be etched on the opposite side like all of our chassis. This makes the bend easy and makes the finished product more realistic. Tom Doherty PA Heritage Models, Ltd. http://www.paheritagemodels.com/ -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Marty.Thorin Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2006 10:04 AM To: brasslocobuilders@yahoogroups.com; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com; S-Scale@yahoogroups.com; Interurbans@yahoogroups.com; IowaInterurbansandStreetRailways@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Building MRRW Steeple Cab Kits Good Morning: I have several Model Railroad Warehouse kits to build. They consist of sheets of etched brass that I need to bend. I fear my current tools are inadequate to do the 90 degree bends for the cab. Each corner of the cab is beside pre-cut windows. I measured the sheets with a micrometer. The frame is 0.032 inches thick, The cab walls and cab roof are 0.015. Where the bends are to be done, the brass sheet has been etched to about half its measured thickness. The longest bend I need help with is a little under 2 inches. I can bend the frame with my current tools: a good, small vice. It's the cab that needs help. Would the MicroMart Mini Bending Brake (http://www.ares-server.com/Ares/Ares.asp?MerchantID=RET01229&Action=Cat alog&Type=Product&ID=16101) be a good choice? Any other tips you might have before I damage the first one? Thanks! Thorin Marty Milwaukee, WI S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38555	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 1/30/2006
Subject: Re: Building MRRW Steeple Cab Kits

Dear Tom: The brass sheets are etched, about half way through, on the backside of where the bends belong. The bends will 'fill up the gap'. Thanks for the advice. I did go ahead and order the MicroMart bending break. By dumb luck, it is on sale. The sale price plus shipping and handling is less than the normal price. Thorin -----Original Message----- From: Thomas Doherty [mailto:Thomas@...] Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 8:54 AM To: Marty.Thorin; brasslocobuilders@yahoogroups.com; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com; S-Scale@yahoogroups.com; Interurbans@yahoogroups.com; IowaInterurbansandStreetRailways@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Building MRRW Steeple Cab Kits To get a square shape, the brass should be etched on the opposite side like all of our chassis. This makes the bend easy and makes the finished product more realistic. Tom Doherty PA Heritage Models, Ltd. http://www.paheritagemodels.com/ -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Marty.Thorin Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2006 10:04 AM To: brasslocobuilders@yahoogroups.com; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com; S-Scale@yahoogroups.com; Interurbans@yahoogroups.com; IowaInterurbansandStreetRailways@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Building MRRW Steeple Cab Kits Good Morning: I have several Model Railroad Warehouse kits to build. They consist of sheets of etched brass that I need to bend. I fear my current tools are inadequate to do the 90 degree bends for the cab. Each corner of the cab is beside pre-cut windows. I measured the sheets with a micrometer. The frame is 0.032 inches thick, The cab walls and cab roof are 0.015. Where the bends are to be done, the brass sheet has been etched to about half its measured thickness. The longest bend I need help with is a little under 2 inches. I can bend the frame with my current tools: a good, small vice. It's the cab that needs help. Would the MicroMart Mini Bending Brake (http://www.ares-server.com/Ares/Ares.asp?MerchantID=RET01229&Action=Cat alog&Type=Product&ID=16101) be a good choice? Any other tips you might have before I damage the first one? Thanks! Thorin Marty Milwaukee, WI S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38556	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 1/30/2006
Subject: TOY SHOW FIND

SAT I WENT TO THE FX SHOW IN ORLANDO....... LOTS OF STARS THERE LIKE DAVID CARRIDINE, HAPPY DAYS, ETC...... BUT ON ONE TABLE OF COMICS LAID AN AF "S" INSTRUCTION BOOK SEALED IN PLASTIC...... 5.00..... SO I BOUGHT IT...... IT FELT STRANGE..... KINDA THICK....... THIS AM I OPENED IT...... IN SIDE WAS ABOUT ALL THE AF HO INSTRUCTION SHEETS FROM THE 1938/39 KITS ETC...... AND A LOT OF "O" INSTRUCTION SHEETS. FROM 1938 AND 39...... MAG CRANE, A KOONSKIN STATION, ETC, AND ASSEMBLY INST FOR THE K5 KIT!!!!! NEVER KNEW AF PUT OUT "O" KITS...... BOB [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38557	From: Doug Peck	Date: 1/30/2006
Subject: 2006 AF

If anyone would like pricing on the 2006 AF line, please inquire. I won't take up space with it here. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours: Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, & Saturdays--- 2-5 PM (EST) 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: www.portlines.com <http://www.portlines.com> E-mail: doug@... <mailto:doug@...> VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38558	From: Scott Holm	Date: 1/30/2006
Subject: Re: Motor frustrations

What does it do when it stops? Does it gradually lose power and maybe start overheating and smoking (don't leave it like this too long,) or does it just lose power completely? If the former is the problem, it could be either a short or break in the armature, or any number of other problems with the motor itself. Assuming it is the latter, a power loss, it's possible that could be caused by the armature, but I would doubt that that would be the cause. More probably, it is a brush/spring problem, or a reverse unit finger problem. You said that the problem even happens when leads are directly connected. What are the leads directly connected to? If attempting to eliminate the reverse unit as the source of the problem, one power lead needs to be connected to one pole of the field, the other power lead to one of the brushes, and the other brush and field pole are connected together via a patch cord, so that the armature and field are wired in series with each other. One thing you can try when the engine has stopped due to the problem and while power is applied is to poke things with a thin toothpick and see if you can get a rise out of it. Start by sticking it into the hole in each of the brush caps, try turning the armature a bit, gently touch the reverse unit fingers. Good luck! Dave W <fahrwud@...> wrote: I'm relatively new at this AF stuff, so what's up with those motors? I have two Atlantics (300 & 307)and a 21085 Pacific.The 21085 is a consistently good runner. The Atlantics run great for a few minutes from cold and then quit. All the continuity is good, the reverser works as it should,and I've cleaned out the armature slots. They work fine for a few minutes, then the motors just cease to co-operate even with leads directly attached. I assume the motors are original, so do I just have tired armatures? Any secrets, before I go with can motors? Regards & thanks, Dave W S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Bring words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with your Yahoo! Mail. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38559	From: Bill Clark	Date: 1/30/2006
Subject: SHS 2-8-0s at West Springfield

SHS was at the West Springfield, MA train show this past weekend, featuring the just released 2-8-0 Consolidations. The Bristol S Gauge Railroaders club (my club) was right next to SHS as usual. Don had sent a couple of 2-8-0s to Tommy Robichaud and myself for our DCC experiments, and we ran them, either single or double-headed, all day both days. We got a ton of positive reaction from the folks at the show. The locos looked incredible and ran even better! Don also was demonstrating two of the new run LocoMatic versions on his demo layout, and they also ran, sounded, and smoked great. I think this is a fantastic addition to S! I took some video of Tommy and my DCC-equipped locos on the Bristol layout, and posted them on the SHS site. Unless you have a fast connection, I'd recommend the Windows Media medium resolution. Here's the link: http://www.showcaseline.com/Locos/2-8-0/DCCVideo.htm Bill

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38560	From: larry999970123	Date: 1/30/2006
Subject: Re: American Models E8 and American Models Switches

This is exactly the situation I will try some of these actions Thanks Larry Janeski --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Lance McCold <lancemccold@c...> wrote: > > Larry, > > I don't know the E8, but a friend and I have SD60s that I think have the same truck design. > > His locomotive has high-rail wheels and mine has scale wheels. He experienced the kind of problem you describe. Mine doesn't. After studying the two locomotives a while, I concluded the problem is with the traction tires on the high-rail trucks. > > When his loco is pulling the front of the front truck rises off the rail. When it isn't pulling cars the rise is not noticeable. What (I think) is happening is that the traction tire grips so well it makes the front of the front truck lift. The rear truck would do the same thing, but because rear truck is coupled to the cars, the rise is not as noticeable. > > This does not happen with scale wheels because they don't have traction tires. American Models could solve the problem by redesigning the truck to put the pivot point of the truck closer to the track. This change would probably be expensive, so I wouldn't hold my breath. > > The solution I suggested to my friend is to move the wheelset with the traction tire to the front axle of the front truck. This way the traction tire cannot lift the front axle off the track. With the traction tire on the front axle, the amount of traction is limited to the amount that lifts the axle off the track. This solution will deliver less pulling power--but the engine will stay on the track. > > Another approach is to replace the traction tire wheelsets with non- traction tire wheelsets. Again you loose pulling power, but the problem disappears. A partial solution would be to add more weight to the front of the locomotive--which makes it harder for the front wheels to lift off the track, but I don't think you can add enough weight to make the problem disappear completely. If adding weight appeals to you, go ahead and replace the traction tire wheelsets with non-traction tire wheelsets. You will have good tracking and good pulling power. > > (By the way, my scale SD60 pulls quite well with no traction tires.) > > My friend decided to put his locomotive on the shelf rather than test my theory. If you try these ideas or come up with a better idea > please let the group know. I am sure others with E8 or SD60 locomotives are having similar problems. > > Lance McCold > Knoxville, Tennessee > At 05:40 PM 1/28/2006 +0000, you wrote: > > >Message: 2 > > Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 17:30:13 -0000 > > From: "larry999970123" <ljaneski@b...> > >Subject: American Models E8 and American Models Switches > > > >HAs anyone experienced problems with AM E8's > >not tracking well thru the curved (diverging) route of the > >AM switches. > > > >The front axle of the from truck seem to lift slightly > >above the rail head/frog. This is on both trucks. > > > > > >The truck has springs on all three axles and the middle axle > >is slightly less springy and so the outer axles on the truck > >are springier, but on the diverging route of the AM switches > >this causes the front(springier) axle to lift up over the frog. > > > >This while pulling 5 Budd cars with hi-rail wheels and couplers > > > >Larry Janeski >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38561	From: ken garber	Date: 1/30/2006
Subject: Re: boxcar hatches

On 30 Jan 2006 18:20:44 -0000, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com < S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > There are 21 messages in this issue. > > > Message: 11 > Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 20:50:19 EST > From: jjmemmer@... > Subject: Hatches and roofwalks > > I may be wrong,but I think the"hatch" on boxcar roofs is a continuation > of > the roofwalk. They all seem to line up with the ladder on the side of the > car,and usually have a grabiron on their edge. This would make it easier > to climb > onto the roof of the car. When roofwalks were outlawed in the 60's or > 70's > the "hatches went away too.Guess that kinda' did away with "Smittys" job! > Jerry There are currently a fleet of boxcars going by (reporting marked for H and S Railroad Company Incorporated) that have hatches (or maybe they're just vents) on the roofs. They're inset from the edge and aren't centred on the roof centreline. a prototype for everything. regards ken [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38562	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 1/30/2006
Subject: Re: S Scale/Gauge - Automobiles & Trucks

Jerry, Vehicles vary a bit, so sometimes a manufacturere may make a great vehicle and then not. I carry around a card with a silhouette of a full grown man to compare it with a vehicle in question. If it looks OK, it probably is. Racing Champions makes nice vehicles, as does Ertl, Johnny Lightning and even Hot Wheels. The bottom line is how it looks with a "person" next to it. Check out a fellow list member who has "Bert the Cop" standing next a large nuumber of vehicles. Perhaps someone else can give you the site, as I can't seem to access it. Jerry Poniatowski Registrar, 2006 NASG Convention --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Jerry Matsick" <mtoytrain@b...> wrote: > > Please advise a good source (or manufacturer) of S Scale or gauge > automobiles and or trucks, some say matchbox, to me they look like HO > and just don't look right along side any S guage engine or car? > > Jerry Matsick >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38563	From: Bruce D. Willis	Date: 1/30/2006
Subject: Pikemaster track

I have been given some Pikemaster track to clean up for a customer. All of it is missing connecting pins and the ends of the rails have tabs that are bent out of shape. I have never seen Pikemaster track before. Can someone send me, or post somewhere, a couple close-up photos of the end of a piece of track so I can see what it is supposed to look like? Thanks, Bruce

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38564	From: muniman18	Date: 1/30/2006
Subject: dumb question #12 commutator cleaning

Can I clean this without taking the engine apart eg there is a space between the brush bracket and the armature can I slip something in there to clean or not. every time i take an engine apart something else goes wrong. don't want to dig a deeper hole. mikey "fat fingers"

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38565	From: Richard Clouse	Date: 1/30/2006
Subject: Re: S Scale/Gauge - Automobiles & Trucks

The issue of "scale" vehicles has always kind of bugged me, too. Frankly, I have often agreed with Jerry Matsick's observations that Matchbox cars look more appropriate with HO than with S. I think the reason is that the original Lesney Matchbox cars were really made to mesh with OO scale trains. As for the current crop of "S" vehicles, I would agree that Racing Champions are usually right on the money, while Johnny Lightning seems a little small. Corgi is making some Jerry Poniatowski <poniaj@...> wrote: Jerry, Vehicles vary a bit, so sometimes a manufacturere may make a great vehicle and then not. I carry around a card with a silhouette of a full grown man to compare it with a vehicle in question. If it looks OK, it probably is. Racing Champions makes nice vehicles, as does Ertl, Johnny Lightning and even Hot Wheels. The bottom line is how it looks with a "person" next to it. Check out a fellow list member who has "Bert the Cop" standing next a large nuumber of vehicles. Perhaps someone else can give you the site, as I can't seem to access it. Jerry Poniatowski Registrar, 2006 NASG Convention --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Jerry Matsick" wrote: > > Please advise a good source (or manufacturer) of S Scale or gauge > automobiles and or trucks, some say matchbox, to me they look like HO > and just don't look right along side any S guage engine or car? > > Jerry Matsick > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links CIHIGOYENETCHE, GROSSBERG & CLOUSE Richard R.Clouse | Cihigoyenetche, Grossberg & Clouse | http://www.cgclaw.com 8038 Haven Ave. | Suite E | Rancho Cucamonga, CA 91730 Vox: 909.483.1850 | Fax: 909.483.1840 | E-mail: RiClouse@... - ATTORNEY_CLIENT COMMUNICATION - This communication constitutes an electronic communication within the meaning of the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 USC 2510, and its disclosure is strictly limited to the recipient intended by the sender of this message. This communication contains confidential and privileged material, is protected by the attorney-client and/or the attorney/work product privileges and is for the sole use of the intended recipient and receipt by anyone other than the intended recipient does not constitute a loss of the confidential or privileged nature of the communication. Any review or distribution by others is strictly prohibited. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38566	From: butchclimax	Date: 1/30/2006
Subject: Re: boxcar hatches

Hello Group, I looked at a 734 car I had on the shelf next to me. Didn't look like a hatch, so I resorted to a car builders dictionary- They refer to what I was looking at as a "Roof-step". Butch --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, ken garber <garber.ken@g...> wrote: > > On 30 Jan 2006 18:20:44 -0000, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com < > S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > > > There are 21 messages in this issue. > > > > > > Message: 11 > > Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 20:50:19 EST > > From: jjmemmer@a... > > Subject: Hatches and roofwalks > > > > I may be wrong,but I think the"hatch" on boxcar roofs is a continuation > > of > > the roofwalk. They all seem to line up with the ladder on the side of the > > car,and usually have a grabiron on their edge. This would make it easier > > to climb > > onto the roof of the car. When roofwalks were outlawed in the 60's or > > 70's > > the "hatches went away too.Guess that kinda' did away with "Smittys" job! > > Jerry > > > > There are currently a fleet of boxcars going by (reporting marked for H and > S Railroad Company Incorporated) that have hatches (or maybe they're just > vents) on the roofs. They're inset from the edge and aren't centred on the > roof centreline. > > a prototype for everything. > > regards > > ken > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38567	From: mlmarmer	Date: 1/30/2006
Subject: Lesson learn

I am sure some of you have read about my experience on Ebay this weekend. I thank the moderator on TTML for posting it, as I know it could be controversy, but I felt it was important to share the story and maybe you can deal with something like this, should it happen to you, as Ebay is part of train buying. For me, this is what I will do in the future, if I ever bid on anything on Ebay again. I will write the seller before placing a bid, to ask, if the item is real or a reproduction, anything broken, etc. as I have purchase only from 27 people on ebay, but 2 purchases had problems for allot of money. So, that is about a rate of 10% of having problems on Ebay, as that is way too high. Both times, the seller claimed I did not ask about the item, which is true, but you believed the description. So, I will now follow their advice, no many how silly it made seen. I will explain to the seller why I am doing this. I will ask for a guarantee about the condition and realness of the item. And if the response is not acceptable to me, if at all, then I will not bid. And that is fine, because there is a good chance you will find that item some other time. Oh, but I did learn that all O gauge track is a fake, as everyone knows that real track in life is two rail. So, A.C., knew what he was doing when he made track. Just kidding. Mike Marmer

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38568	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 1/30/2006
Subject: Re: S Scale/Gauge - Automobiles & Trucks

I think if you will check you will find the Original Matchbox idea was for the items to be scaled to fit in a CERTAIN SIZE BOX....... i think it might have been a British size match box or something similar....... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Clouse" <riclouse@...> To: "Jerry Poniatowski" <poniaj@...>; <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 7:30 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: S Scale/Gauge - Automobiles & Trucks > The issue of "scale" vehicles has always kind of bugged me, too. Frankly, > I have often agreed with Jerry Matsick's observations that Matchbox cars > look more appropriate with HO than with S. I think the reason is that the > original Lesney Matchbox cars were really made to mesh with OO scale > trains.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38569	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 1/30/2006
Subject: Re;re;boxcar hatches

There appears to be some confusion here on which cars are which. The Gilbert "boxcars" have a platform at each end of the roof walk at the right end of the car on one side. The Gilbert "refrigerator" cars have an ice hatch on both sides of the roof walk at both ends of the car. The Gilbert boxcar has a regular boxcar door on each side, while the Gilbert reefer has a plug door on each side instead of the standard swinging doors. In the real world, refrigerator cars of the era requiring ice would have swinging doors. These swung closed and latched to a tight seal. The more modern plug door boxcar was a dual purpose car often used for temperature sensitive loads as it was insulated. The door slid sideways then was pulled into the door opening by the double latches on the door to make a tight seal. The plug door boxcar did not have ice hatches. The Gilbert "refrigerator" car has ice hatches but a plug door. To confuse things a bit more, Tom Hawley has notified me that the modern Evans car is considered a refrigerator car due to it's superior insulation. No ice hatches either. Stumpy Stone...old train guy in Appalachia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38570	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 1/30/2006
Subject: Re;S scale/gauge Automobiles & trucks

Bob is right, the Matchbox series in the late forties and fifties was made to fit in a match box. This was not unusual. Back in the twenties and thirties metal toy cars were often made in different sizes depending on the size of the molds or casting equipment or even to fit a supply of boxes. Toy vehicles were sometimes "slush cast", a process in which hot metal was poured into a mold, allowed to stand briefly, then poured out into another mold and the process repeated until the metal was used up. The metal against the mold set faster than that in the center, and when the metal was poured out it left a "shell" of metal in the correct shape, but hollow. Slush casting was generally done by cheaper toy companies and usually used low grade metals. Today die casting is done inexpensively in China, but generally to fit dies of a particular size for low cost toys. This is why there is such a diffence in size in Matchbox, Johnny Lightning, Hot Wheels, etc. The "scale" vehicles (such as 1/43 scale) are molded to correct size, but are more expensive because of this. The Scenery Unlimited catalog shows correct S scale vehicles by Railmaster Exports in kit form, but they are pricey. Stumpy Stone...yeah, I play with cars too...Martins Ferry, OH.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38571	From: David Engle	Date: 1/30/2006
Subject: Re: Re;re;boxcar hatches

FWIW--on the prototype; the cars that were insulated but did not have ice bunkers were cooled by blowing either ice or dry-ice in on top of the loads. I don't know when plug doors as such came into use, but I thought the Gilbert reefer molds were made before then--maybe ol' ACG was ahead of his time.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38572	From: BENJAMIN PERRY	Date: 1/30/2006
Subject: Re: Re;re;boxcar hatches

The Gilbert car is correct. Many of the 40' steel ice reefers were built with plug doors. In fact some of the URTX wooden reefers were rebuilt with plug doors. Ben Perry The hobo Lets his Whiskers sprout It's trains-not girls That he takes out BURMA-SHAVE -----Original Message----- From: Stumpy Stone Sent: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 19:05:47 -0800 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re;re;boxcar hatches There appears to be some confusion here on which cars are which. The Gilbert "boxcars" have a platform at each end of the roof walk at the right end of the car on one side. The Gilbert "refrigerator" cars have an ice hatch on both sides of the roof walk at both ends of the car. The Gilbert boxcar has a regular boxcar door on each side, while the Gilbert reefer has a plug door on each side instead of the standard swinging doors. In the real world, refrigerator cars of the era requiring ice would have swinging doors. These swung closed and latched to a tight seal. The more modern plug door boxcar was a dual purpose car often used for temperature sensitive loads as it was insulated. The door slid sideways then was pulled into the door opening by the double latches on the door to make a tight seal. The plug door boxcar did not have ice hatches. The Gilbert "refrigerator" car has ice hatches but a plug door. To confuse things a bit more, Tom Hawley has notified me that the modern Evans car is considered a refrigerator car due to it's superior insulation. No ice hatches either. Stumpy Stone...old train guy in Appalachia. S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38573	From: jayhoo64	Date: 1/30/2006
Subject: Re: S Scale/Gauge - Automobiles & Trucks

Jerry Poniatowski wrote: >Check out a fellow list member who has "Bert the Cop" standing next a >large nuumber of vehicles. That would be me! >Perhaps someone else can give you the site, as I can't seem to access >it. Nobody can anymore. Bert's files are contained in an album on Paul Yorke's site, which is currently having problems. Haven't heard the status of that since Paul's post of a few days ago. Briefly, early "regular wheel" Matchbox cars made from 1953 to about the mid 1960s were, for the most part, too small for S. The cars made since the "Superfast" era (late '60s) vary. Some are actually too big now. The scale is cast into the chassis of most 1$ MB vehicles, though their figures have been know to be a few % off sometimes. I'm in the process of uploading Bert's files to a Photobucket account. Try this: http://photobucket.com/albums/b346/guy64/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38574	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 1/30/2006
Subject: Reliance Fire House Train Show at York April 2006

Hi all, I am sending this to all of you who might be wondering about this show in April. It looked like that it wouldn't be continued, but it has. This venue will be open on April 17, 18, & 19, 2006 from 8am to 6pm. Tables are available for this show. Contact Barry King @ 717-424-1308, or you can e-mail him at _kingkodak@..._ (mailto:kingkodak@...) Regards, Fred [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38575	From: charlie and edith	Date: 1/30/2006
Subject: K335 Set questions

Greetings! The K335 set has a new home. The engine looks quite nice but the cars were really enjoyed. My question is .... The 928 log car is pressed wood, 5 of the logs survived but the straps are gone. As this is a 1952 set would this car have the "straight" or "contoured" straps? A 19B transformer was part of the package .... the light bulbs are missing. Did this transformer have colored lights or clear lights with a lens cover. My reference material indicates covers but there are no slots for covers to "lock" into. Look forward to your thoughts! Thanks and best wishes, Charlie [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38576	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/30/2006
Subject: Re: S Scale/Gauge - Automobiles & Trucks

****((As for the current crop of "S" vehicles, I would agree that Racing Champions are usually right on the money, while Johnny Lightning seems a little small. ))***** Both companies have put out some nice vehicles, and I agree that some JL's seem on the small side. However, I'm not one to measure, but some RC's are listed as 1/58, 1/61, etc., an older RC Vette is the same size, if not bigger then a RC '55 Chevy. They try to get 'em all on the same wheel base, much like using the same size box. Maybe JL's are more to scale. Some of the more expensive two, three, and four car sets that Hot Wheels put out seem small, but they too, may be closer to scale. Some on the list here have the measuring formula to check the scale of vehicles. Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38577	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 1/31/2006
Subject: I stand corrected!

I was in error in my statement about plug door cars and ice hatches. I recieved three e-mails (and I see corrections here as well)to this. My thanks to David Engle, Ben Perry, Lee Johnson, and last but not least Tom Hawley for their interest and research on the subject of refrigerator cars. (Tom sent me a long segment from the '97 Locomotive and Car Cyclopedia!) Ladies and Gentlemen; the Gilbert car is CORRECT. Refrigerator cars WERE built with plug doors and ice hatches. Please forgive my ignorance on this subject, I'm going to go take my medication now.....;-) Stumpy Stone...a memory is a terrible thing to loose...Martins Ferry, OH.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38578	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 1/31/2006
Subject: Re;S scale/gauge Automobiles & Trucks

I feel that for "big" trucks, the Hartoys were pretty good and the right era for trucks you'd see on the road up to the late fifties. These have been out of production until recently, and many "road names" are hard to find. However, if you're just looking for big trucks and are willing to repaint or decal them, you can generally find them in the Coca-Cola and Hershey's logos as they way over produced these. I have redone several of these (see my log truck in the S-Trains "photos" section under STUMPY'S STUFF.) As to die cast toy cars, they suffer from customizing besides scale. Most have wide custom wheels and are lowered. To raise them back up, I often have to grind out the "rivet" that holds body and chassis together and make a spacer to raise the body. You can only go so far as you don't want the frame to stick out well below the body, but usually a little bit is enough. I paint out custom wheels with black paint or make "wheel covers" from 3x5 file card and repaint the whole wheel/tire. Again, go to the STUMPY'S STUFF photos and look for the railroad crossing picture. This is a "Dub City" series '47 Pontiac which has been raised, wheels painted and an MTH "passengers" figure installed. Stumpy Stone...the Mad Butcher of Martins Ferry, OH.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38579	From: keith erhart	Date: 1/31/2006
Subject: Diamond stack

Does anyone know who makes a diamond stack for steam engines in S that is more true to scale than the smokestack that is on the AF Franklin? In Sn3, I see quite a few C&S and D,RG&W, so they must be available. Any leads would be appreciated. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38580	From: G C	Date: 1/31/2006
Subject: Re: I stand corrected!

Don't feel too bad Stumpy, U have given us lots of good info and ideas in the past. Every one has an off day once in a while. Gene --------------------------------- Bring words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38581	From: BENJAMIN PERRY	Date: 1/31/2006
Subject: Re: I stand corrected!

Hi Stumpy; Always enjoy your posts. Thats the great thing about this forum, there are "experts" on all fields here. I was put on the right track last week concerning tack boards. Was your medication 80 or 100 proof? ;-) Ben Perry The hobo Lets his Whiskers sprout It's trains-not girls That he takes out BURMA-SHAVE -----Original Message----- From: Stumpy Stone Sent: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 05:10:23 -0800 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] I stand corrected! I was in error in my statement about plug door cars and ice hatches. I recieved three e-mails (and I see corrections here as well)to this. My thanks to David Engle, Ben Perry, Lee Johnson, and last but not least Tom Hawley for their interest and research on the subject of refrigerator cars. (Tom sent me a long segment from the '97 Locomotive and Car Cyclopedia!) Ladies and Gentlemen; the Gilbert car is CORRECT. Refrigerator cars WERE built with plug doors and ice hatches. Please forgive my ignorance on this subject, I'm going to go take my medication now.....;-) Stumpy Stone...a memory is a terrible thing to loose...Martins Ferry, OH. S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38582	From: mlmarmer	Date: 1/31/2006
Subject: Re: TOY SHOW FIND

Good for you Bob. Might not make up for that piece of US Currency you sold, but hopefully you got a nice treasure in that book. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: "ROBERT ALLEN CONNER" <rcon7@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 10:53 AM Subject: [S-Trains] TOY SHOW FIND > SAT I WENT TO THE FX SHOW IN ORLANDO....... LOTS OF STARS THERE LIKE DAVID CARRIDINE, HAPPY DAYS, ETC...... BUT ON ONE TABLE OF COMICS LAID AN AF "S" INSTRUCTION BOOK SEALED IN PLASTIC...... 5.00..... SO I BOUGHT IT...... IT FELT STRANGE..... KINDA THICK....... THIS AM I OPENED IT...... IN SIDE WAS ABOUT ALL THE AF HO INSTRUCTION SHEETS FROM THE 1938/39 KITS ETC...... AND A LOT OF "O" INSTRUCTION SHEETS. FROM 1938 AND 39...... MAG CRANE, A KOONSKIN STATION, ETC, AND ASSEMBLY INST FOR THE K5 KIT!!!!! NEVER KNEW AF PUT OUT "O" KITS...... BOB > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38583	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 1/31/2006
Subject: Re: Request - TMCC 12969

I need a Lionel 12969 TMCC set, none available in the south, if any one knows please respond off line. Jerry Matsick

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38584	From: Gerald Dobbs	Date: 1/31/2006
Subject: Model Builder Magazines

I have 3 (Lionel )" Model builder " Magazines, Apr 39, Aug 39, Dec 46. $15.00 + $3.00 postage, for all 3. Jerry 77-11644

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38585	From: Jim Ensign	Date: 1/31/2006
Subject: Track Trips

I'm new to this forum -- been over at the CTT site but it's just too dominated by those three-rail guys!! Can someone give me a quick summary of the differences between the 696 and 697 AF Track Trips? I have a few 696's and wonder what a 697 would do differently. Thanks in advance. Jim E.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38586	From: Gregory Klein	Date: 1/31/2006
Subject: Re: Fwd: HUGE MODEL TRAIN SHOW AT TIMONIUM MD FEB. 4-5

The Baltimore Area American Flyer Club will be setting up its modular layout at the show, so make sure you stop by and say Hello. We operate all kinds of hi-rail - ACG Flyer, Flyonel, AM and SHS) plus many operating accessories - Flyer, Flyonel and MTH -- and some club originals. Hope to see you there. Greg Klein BAAFC fredstrainparts@... wrote: In a message dated 1/25/2006 5:31:54 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, KNKAY1@... writes: Saturday FEB. 4 9 am - 4 pm Sunday FEB. 5 10 am - 4 pm Take time to enjoy your hobby at the Original, the One & Only Great Scale Model Train Show AND our new All-American HiRail & Collectible Train Show Timonium, Maryland in the Cow Palace at the Maryland State Fairgrounds. OVER 3 acres of trains!! * Over 700 tables with ALL SCALES Z to G in the Scale Show ! * Over 100 tables of Lionel, AF, new HiRail & Tinplate Collectibles in the HiRail Show! * Over 18 beautiful operating layouts -- our display layouts alone are bigger than most entire shows!! * Huge Kalmbach bookstore * Large White Elephant Sales Area open to everyone -- bring your old stuff! * Special train movies starting at 11 am each day! Admission $7. Family $14. Children under 13 free. Admission includes both days - Saturday admissions return Sunday for FREE! For more information on directions, free parking, and current vendor list see: _http://www.gsmts.com_ () To be removed from this mailing list reply to knkay@... and include the word "remove" in subject line. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Yahoo! Autos. Looking for a sweet ride? Get pricing, reviews, & more on new and used cars. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38587	From: Bill Clark	Date: 1/31/2006
Subject: SHS 2-8-0 LocoMatic Video

I've had some requests to post some video of the LocoMatic version of the 2-8-0. I have one of the new locos that Don received from China on Friday, and I shot some video this morning on my test track. Here's the link: http://www.showcaseline.com/Locos/2-8-0/LMVideo.htm Thanks! Bill

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38588	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 1/31/2006
Subject: Re: Re;S-Scale Trucks - Check out Winross

Stump, I always thought Winross trucks were very S scale and well priced and well made. The site is the following: http://www.winross.com/store.asp?pid=5596&catid=19645 Have you ever seen them. I se them at train shows and I think Hobby Surplus Sales carries them. Scott Dee -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Stumpy Stone Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 7:30 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re;S scale/gauge Automobiles & Trucks I feel that for "big" trucks, the Hartoys were pretty good and the right era for trucks you'd see on the road up to the late fifties. These have been out of production until recently, and many "road names" are hard to find. However, if you're just looking for big trucks and are willing to repaint or decal them, you can generally find them in the Coca-Cola and Hershey's logos as they way over produced these. I have redone several of these (see my log truck in the S-Trains "photos" section under STUMPY'S STUFF.) As to die cast toy cars, they suffer from customizing besides scale. Most have wide custom wheels and are lowered. To raise them back up, I often have to grind out the "rivet" that holds body and chassis together and make a spacer to raise the body. You can only go so far as you don't want the frame to stick out well below the body, but usually a little bit is enough. I paint out custom wheels with black paint or make "wheel covers" from 3x5 file card and repaint the whole wheel/tire. Again, go to the STUMPY'S STUFF photos and look for the railroad crossing picture. This is a "Dub City" series '47 Pontiac which has been raised, wheels painted and an MTH "passengers" figure installed. Stumpy Stone...the Mad Butcher of Martins Ferry, OH. S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38589	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 1/31/2006
Subject: Re: Lesson learn- more E-bay fake track...

Mike, Also watch out for any listings that are 3 rail s-gauge track that claims American Flyer authenticity.... :>) Hope your advise works out, I think I will do that myself for certain items... It appears that E-bay has degraded in wanting to enforce the fraudulent sale (for fee collection) by insisting that the buyer never asked... Gee, what about honest description?... We are left with conceptualizing every possible question about an item to try to protect ourselves.... maybe we should create a general question, like "is there anything about the item that you would not like buyers to know that was not described in the item description that would affect the items value".... but its like legislating morality... we would still probably have problems... Let us know if you get problems down to less than 10% based on the new process.... Scott Dee -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mlmarmer Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 7:58 PM To: Toy Trains; TCA Members; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com; Ralph Loveless Subject: [S-Trains] Lesson learn I am sure some of you have read about my experience on Ebay this weekend. I thank the moderator on TTML for posting it, as I know it could be controversy, but I felt it was important to share the story and maybe you can deal with something like this, should it happen to you, as Ebay is part of train buying. For me, this is what I will do in the future, if I ever bid on anything on Ebay again. I will write the seller before placing a bid, to ask, if the item is real or a reproduction, anything broken, etc. as I have purchase only from 27 people on ebay, but 2 purchases had problems for allot of money. So, that is about a rate of 10% of having problems on Ebay, as that is way too high. Both times, the seller claimed I did not ask about the item, which is true, but you believed the description. So, I will now follow their advice, no many how silly it made seen. I will explain to the seller why I am doing this. I will ask for a guarantee about the condition and realness of the item. And if the response is not acceptable to me, if at all, then I will not bid. And that is fine, because there is a good chance you will find that item some other time. Oh, but I did learn that all O gauge track is a fake, as everyone knows that real track in life is two rail. So, A.C., knew what he was doing when he made track. Just kidding. Mike Marmer S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38590	From: mlmarmer	Date: 1/31/2006
Subject: Re: Lesson learn- more E-bay fake track...

Thanks Scott, as at York I will selling 3 rail S gauge track. I have the production line all set to go. O:)! Yes, it kind of silly to do what I will be doing for know on, but that is what these two told me to do. So, be it. Not going through this anymore, since one sale was $139 and one was $635. I believe Ebay does try to catch things, but with so many, it is hard to look at all the auctions going on. I have seen a news report, where they do have people on computer looking at ebay things. They do catch things, but not all. Mike Marmer

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38591	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 1/31/2006
Subject: NASG Contest Rules

Hey y'all...I usually don't get involved in model contests, but I'm considering upseting the folks at the upcoming S Spree with some of my stuff. Their website says "NASG Contest Rules" for the Spree's model contest. I can't find anything on the National Association of S Gaugers site about rules. Efforts to contact the Spree info guy come back "mailbox full" so I'm kind of stuck. Just what are the NASG contest rules or where can I find them? Stumpy Stone...Creative Imagineer lost in Appalachia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38592	From: lember2004	Date: 1/31/2006
Subject: 1946 operating cars question

To work, do 1946 operating cars need both trucks in contact with the special 710 inside pick-up rail section - or is the wiring such that one of the trucks picks up both the base and 15 volt current? And, do these trucks have any problem being pulled across a rerailer? {I'm in the design stage of a 1946-only siding that will connect with the rest of the lay-out.) Thanks for any help you can provide! Mark

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38593	From: Gerald Dobbs	Date: 1/31/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2935

Flyer size trucks: I have a set of ERTL Clyde Beatty, Cole Bros.Circus ( 4 ) trucks with a large tent, New in the box, sold on E-bay for $160.00. I will sell for $100.00 + $10.00 shipping. Jerry 77-11644

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38594	From: Robert Graves	Date: 2/1/2006
Subject: Boxcars join the Gilbert Gallery

The boxcars pages (three of them!) are now complete, except for the pictures of a few cars. If you would like to contribute any, I would certainly appreciate it! http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/boxcars.html Also, I've added my new American Models and S-Helper cars to the hoppers and tank cars pages. There sure is a difference in detailing!!! Gilbert made trains for young boys to play with; AM and SHS are marketing to somewhat older boys! --------------------------------- What are the most popular cars? Find out at Yahoo! Autos [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38595	From: ED WHELAN	Date: 2/1/2006
Subject: STYROFOAM TUNNELS/MOUNTAINS

BlankGreetings from Pittsburgh, In a few months, I will start working on a new layout and intend on using Styrofoam to create mountains & tunnels. I've seen it used in very large model RR clubs and have been told that it is quite easy to form most any kind of shape one desires with a hot wire/knife. What I don't know is what type of styrofoam to use. Does anyone have any information on this topic? I would very much appreciate your input. Thanks, Ed Whelan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38596	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 2/1/2006
Subject: free webcam?

Some one on this list told me about a free webcam site. Please resend me that link. Paul [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38597	From: RCESpeak	Date: 2/1/2006
Subject: Re: Boxcars join the Gilbert Gallery

Robert Graves wrote: >The boxcars pages (three of them!) are now complete, except for the pictures of a few cars. If you would like to contribute any, I would certainly appreciate it! > > http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/boxcars.html > > Also, I've added my new American Models and S-Helper cars to the hoppers and tank cars pages. There sure is a difference in detailing!!! Gilbert made trains for young boys to play with; AM and SHS are marketing to somewhat older boys! > > >--------------------------------- > > What are the most popular cars? Find out at Yahoo! Autos > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >Enjoy thousands of great photos >at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > AND GIRLS!!!!!!!!!! .... Barb

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38598	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 2/1/2006
Subject: Re: Pikemaster track

End s/b oblong, _Fredstrainparts@..._ (mailto:Fredstrainparts@...) , Fred has the pins, reasonably priced. Jim Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38599	From: Jim Ensign	Date: 2/1/2006
Subject: Source for AF paint colors

Good morning from Colorado! I picked up a junker 591 crossing gate that someone has modified for their lay-out. They painted the road section a dark grey. I'd leave it alone if they had done a reasonably good job, but it looks like they put it on with a broom! Does anyone have a good source for the cream color and light green (mint green?) colors of paint that AF used? I have the usual home centers nearby - Homers's, Lowes, Ace, etc. and Hobby Lobby, Michaels, and HobbyTown USA - all have shades of spray paint. Are there specialty train supply companies that have a corner on those shades of paint or can I find them at a hardware store? Jim E.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38600	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 2/1/2006
Subject: Re: STYROFOAM TUNNELS/MOUNTAINS

Ed, Here is a link to some foam work that I have done on my layout. http://www.tuveson.com/foamscenery/foam_scenery.htm Hope this helps, Carl -----Original Message----- From: ED WHELAN [mailto:ejw333@...] Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 9:08 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] STYROFOAM TUNNELS/MOUNTAINS BlankGreetings from Pittsburgh, In a few months, I will start working on a new layout and intend on using Styrofoam to create mountains & tunnels. I've seen it used in very large model RR clubs and have been told that it is quite easy to form most any kind of shape one desires with a hot wire/knife. What I don't know is what type of styrofoam to use. Does anyone have any information on this topic? I would very much appreciate your input. Thanks, Ed Whelan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38601	From: ED WHELAN	Date: 2/1/2006
Subject: Re: Source for AF paint colors

Jim, Portline Hobby Supplies has the exact AF paint to match all accessories. Their website is portlines.com. Scan down the left side of the site. Ed ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Ensign" <hugoroundhouseflyer@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 10:20 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Source for AF paint colors > Good morning from Colorado! > > I picked up a junker 591 crossing gate that someone has modified for > their lay-out. They painted the road section a dark grey. I'd leave > it alone if they had done a reasonably good job, but it looks like they > put it on with a broom! > > Does anyone have a good source for the cream color and light green > (mint green?) colors of paint that AF used? I have the usual home > centers nearby - Homers's, Lowes, Ace, etc. and Hobby Lobby, Michaels, > and HobbyTown USA - all have shades of spray paint. Are there > specialty train supply companies that have a corner on those shades of > paint or can I find them at a hardware store? > > Jim E. > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38602	From: Charles E. Smith	Date: 2/1/2006
Subject: Re: STYROFOAM TUNNELS/MOUNTAINS

I like 1" thick stuff in pink or blue because it's cleanly carveable with a sharp knife without creating debris. Just layer shapes up like a contour map. Your option to carve with knife or hot wire or add plaster. Placing track on 1" thick stuff allows drainage ditches to be "dug" next to tracks. Some people prefer 2" thick stuff for mountains but that bigger step size makes it harder to carve a gentle slope. Chuck Smith, On matters of style swim with the current. On matters of substance stand like a rock. Thos. Jefferson (may be paraphrased) ----- Original Message ----- From: "ED WHELAN" <ejw333@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 9:08 AM Subject: [S-Trains] STYROFOAM TUNNELS/MOUNTAINS > BlankGreetings from Pittsburgh, > > In a few months, I will start working on a new layout and intend on using Styrofoam to create mountains & tunnels. I've seen it used in very large model RR clubs and have been told that it is quite easy to form most any kind of shape one desires with a hot wire/knife. What I don't know is what type of styrofoam to use. Does anyone have any information on this topic? I would very much appreciate your input. > > Thanks, > Ed Whelan > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38603	From: keefer1	Date: 2/1/2006
Subject: Re: Source for AF paint colors

That's quite an overstatement. Those paints are great for repaint, but are hardly exact matches, and are not close enough , in most cases, to be used for touch-up. Keith --- ED WHELAN <ejw333@...> wrote: > Jim, > Portline Hobby Supplies has the exact AF paint > to match all accessories. > Their website is portlines.com. Scan down the left > side of the site. Ed > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Ensign" <hugoroundhouseflyer@...> > To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 10:20 AM > Subject: [S-Trains] Source for AF paint colors > > > > Good morning from Colorado! > > > > I picked up a junker 591 crossing gate that > someone has modified for > > their lay-out. They painted the road section a > dark grey. I'd leave > > it alone if they had done a reasonably good job, > but it looks like they > > put it on with a broom! > > > > Does anyone have a good source for the cream color > and light green > > (mint green?) colors of paint that AF used? I > have the usual home > > centers nearby - Homers's, Lowes, Ace, etc. and > Hobby Lobby, Michaels, > > and HobbyTown USA - all have shades of spray > paint. Are there > > specialty train supply companies that have a > corner on those shades of > > paint or can I find them at a hardware store? > > > > Jim E. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38604	From: Furmanak, Stan	Date: 2/1/2006
Subject: LVSG - SHS Frank Titman Spiral Hill USRA hopper

The Lehigh Valley S Gaugers recently announced a new club car, the SHS Frank Titman "Spiral Hill" USRA hopper. Updated ordering information and a photo of the hopper are available at: http://www.lehighvalleysgaugers.org/club_cars.html This hopper car, honoring the legacy of Frank Titman, is available in three numbers. SHRR 1921 Frank's Birth date SHRR 1961 the forming of the Delaware Valley S Gauge club SHRR 1990, the renaming of the DVSG to the Lehigh Valley S Gaugers club The car lettering is white, body is black, and the logo is red and white. Scale wheelsets also included. The cars are $40.00 each. Please include $6.00 for shipping. Make your check payable to the "Lehigh Valley S Gaugers" and mail it to: Frank Titman Hoppers c/o Bert Mahr P. O. BOX 836 Emmaus, Pa. 18049 Stan Furmanak LVSG webmaster

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38605	From: ED WHELAN	Date: 2/1/2006
Subject: Re: Source for AF paint colors

Keith, If you carefully analyze his question, you will notice that he intends to repaint the entire base. I believe he has a better chance to redo a lousy paint job with a repro paint that matched the AF color scheme as opposed to buying a Krylon paint at Wal-Mart. Ed ----- Original Message ----- From: "keefer1" <keefer1_us@...> To: "ED WHELAN" <ejw333@...>; <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 1:20 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Source for AF paint colors > That's quite an overstatement. Those paints are great > for repaint, but are hardly exact matches, and are not > close enough , in most cases, to be used for touch-up. > Keith > > --- ED WHELAN <ejw333@...> wrote: > >> Jim, >> Portline Hobby Supplies has the exact AF paint >> to match all accessories. >> Their website is portlines.com. Scan down the left >> side of the site. Ed >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Jim Ensign" <hugoroundhouseflyer@...> >> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> >> Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 10:20 AM >> Subject: [S-Trains] Source for AF paint colors >> >> >> > Good morning from Colorado! >> > >> > I picked up a junker 591 crossing gate that >> someone has modified for >> > their lay-out. They painted the road section a >> dark grey. I'd leave >> > it alone if they had done a reasonably good job, >> but it looks like they >> > put it on with a broom! >> > >> > Does anyone have a good source for the cream color >> and light green >> > (mint green?) colors of paint that AF used? I >> have the usual home >> > centers nearby - Homers's, Lowes, Ace, etc. and >> Hobby Lobby, Michaels, >> > and HobbyTown USA - all have shades of spray >> paint. Are there >> > specialty train supply companies that have a >> corner on those shades of >> > paint or can I find them at a hardware store? >> > >> > Jim E. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > S-Trains list sponsor: >> http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com >> > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories >> too! >> > >> > Enjoy thousands of great photos >> > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail >> > Yahoo! Groups Links >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> >> S-Trains list sponsor: >> http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com >> All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories >> too! >> >> Enjoy thousands of great photos >> at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail >> Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38606	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 2/1/2006
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] Source for AF paint colors

In a message dated 2/1/2006 1:54:44 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, keefer1_us@... writes: That's quite an overstatement. Those paints are great for repaint, but are hardly exact matches, and are not close enough , in most cases, to be used for touch-up. Keith There is paint coming soon from a manufacturer who states that his product will be dead on for painting Flyer... Fred [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38607	From: Roy Inman	Date: 2/1/2006
Subject: Re: Source for AF paint colors

To confound the paint matching further, I have seen variations in color in the original Gilbert stuff, over a number of years. Roy I. > From: keefer1 <keefer1_us@...> > Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2006 10:20:59 -0800 (PST) > To: ED WHELAN <ejw333@...>, s-trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Source for AF paint colors > > That's quite an overstatement. Those paints are great > for repaint, but are hardly exact matches, and are not > close enough , in most cases, to be used for touch-up. > Keith > > --- ED WHELAN <ejw333@...> wrote: > >> Jim, >> Portline Hobby Supplies has the exact AF paint >> to match all accessories. >> Their website is portlines.com. Scan down the left >> side of the site. Ed >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Jim Ensign" <hugoroundhouseflyer@...> >> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> >> Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 10:20 AM >> Subject: [S-Trains] Source for AF paint colors >> >> >>> Good morning from Colorado! >>> >>> I picked up a junker 591 crossing gate that >> someone has modified for >>> their lay-out. They painted the road section a >> dark grey. I'd leave >>> it alone if they had done a reasonably good job, >> but it looks like they >>> put it on with a broom! >>> >>> Does anyone have a good source for the cream color >> and light green >>> (mint green?) colors of paint that AF used? I >> have the usual home >>> centers nearby - Homers's, Lowes, Ace, etc. and >> Hobby Lobby, Michaels, >>> and HobbyTown USA - all have shades of spray >> paint. Are there >>> specialty train supply companies that have a >> corner on those shades of >>> paint or can I find them at a hardware store? >>> >>> Jim E. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> S-Trains list sponsor: >> http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com >>> All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories >> too! >>> >>> Enjoy thousands of great photos >>> at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail >>> Yahoo! Groups Links >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> S-Trains list sponsor: >> http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com >> All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories >> too! >> >> Enjoy thousands of great photos >> at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail >> Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38608	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 2/1/2006
Subject: Re;Styrofoam tunnels/mountains

I second the previous postings that 1" extruded foam is the best. Bead board is messy and requires a coating of plaster to look okay, but it can be used. Two inch extruded foam is good enough to build layout bases out of, but is really too thick to represent rock strata in S scale. I usually layer my rock strata, carving the bottom level first, then carving the next level and gluing it on with common white glue followed by a third level and so on until I have the height I want. I generally paint the whole thing with a tan latex paint, both for a primer and to seal the styrofoam. Then I use browns and grays for rock coloring, followed by ground foam for weeds and foilage for vines hanging down the hillside if I want them. Foam scenery can be glued right to the layout, or left loose so you can move it without damage if you need to access an area it is in. I use it loose on my portable layouts as they are easier to move as flat sections and then put the hills on once things are set up. Using foam is easy, but like all scenery work is as much art as anything else. Just observe nature and practice your carving and coloring. Stumpy Stone...foaming at the mouth in Appalachia!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38609	From: Phil K	Date: 2/1/2006
Subject: Re: Source for AF paint colors

> That's quite an overstatement. Those paints are great > for repaint, but are hardly exact matches, and are not > close enough , in most cases, to be used for touch-up. Truth is, there is no exact match. About two years ago, I decided to toodle on down to my local Sherwin Williams paint store and brought along eight different AC Gilbert Flyer "standard green" bases, all from my parts bins. I wanted the technician to put each base under the computerized Sher- Color machine and color-correct lights to get a readout to find out if they were alike -- or just how close each was to the others. With my eye, I thought I could detect slight differences between several, which I attributed to different stages of oxidation and layers of patina. Got eight different readings, even though we removed the patina to get additional readings. All were pretty close -- within a narrow range -- but still, eight different readings. So much for my idea of saying, "Okay, mix me up a gallon I can use in my spray gun and airbrush." So, finding a touch-up color to perfectly disguise a few "warts" is impossible. Reminds me of the poor matches I always got trying those shake-em-up auto paint touchup pens. Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38610	From: tomminil@aol.com	Date: 2/1/2006
Subject: Re: Boxcars join the Gilbert Gallery

I have a B&O 9709 that has printing on one side only. Tom -----Original Message----- From: Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> To: s-trains list <s-trains@...> Sent: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 22:51:28 -0800 (PST) Subject: [S-Trains] Boxcars join the Gilbert Gallery The boxcars pages (three of them!) are now complete, except for the pictures of a few cars. If you would like to contribute any, I would certainly appreciate it! http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/boxcars.html Also, I've added my new American Models and S-Helper cars to the hoppers and tank cars pages. There sure is a difference in detailing!!! Gilbert made trains for young boys to play with; AM and SHS are marketing to somewhat older boys! --------------------------------- What are the most popular cars? Find out at Yahoo! Autos [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38611	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 2/1/2006
Subject: Re: Source for AF paint colors

On Feb 1, 2006, at 3:21 PM, Roy Inman wrote: > To confound the paint matching further, I have seen variations in > color in > the original Gilbert stuff, over a number of years. > Roy I. >> From: keefer1 <keefer1_us@...> >> Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2006 10:20:59 -0800 (PST) >> To: ED WHELAN <ejw333@...>, s-trains@yahoogroups.com >> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Source for AF paint colors >> >> That's quite an overstatement. Those paints are great >> for repaint, but are hardly exact matches, and are not >> close enough , in most cases, to be used for touch-up. >> Keith > We have had this subject on other lists. But the main point you can not mix any two batches of paint to the same color. I worked in a paint store and we always told the buyer to box the paint together because you can not mix the same color twice. Thank you Larry Jackman ljack70117@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38612	From: Lance McCold	Date: 2/1/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2936

What is the web site for the S-pring Spree. It was fun last year. I would like to get in on my calendar. Thanks, Lance McCold Knoxville, TN At 09:26 PM 2/1/2006 +0000, you wrote: >Message: 8 > Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 23:12:59 -0000 > From: "Stumpy Stone" <mrstumpy@...> >Subject: NASG Contest Rules > >Hey y'all...I usually don't get involved in model contests, but I'm >considering upseting the folks at the upcoming S Spree with some of my >stuff. Their website says "NASG Contest Rules" for the Spree's model >contest. > I can't find anything on the National Association of S Gaugers site >about rules. Efforts to contact the Spree info guy come back "mailbox >full" so I'm kind of stuck. > Just what are the NASG contest rules or where can I find them? > Stumpy Stone...Creative Imagineer lost in Appalachia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38613	From: Dave W	Date: 2/1/2006
Subject: Re: Motor frustrations

Great group, this one! Thanks everyone, for all the help and tips. Regards, Dave W

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38614	From: ED WHELAN	Date: 2/2/2006
Subject: Re: Source for AF paint colors

The fact is, nothing in life is perfect, Over analyzing a simple question from an individual looking for a simple paint question is ludicrous. It is obvious that some of us have way too much free time. The AF hobby should take us back to those wonderful memories we had and still have as kids, but to over scrutinize a simple request for help is without a doubt going overboard. AMEN!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phil K" <waldootten@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 6:19 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Source for AF paint colors >> That's quite an overstatement. Those paints are great >> for repaint, but are hardly exact matches, and are not >> close enough , in most cases, to be used for touch-up. > > Truth is, there is no exact match. > > About two years ago, I decided to toodle on down to my local Sherwin > Williams paint store and brought along eight different AC Gilbert > Flyer "standard green" bases, all from my parts bins. > > I wanted the technician to put each base under the computerized Sher- > Color machine and color-correct lights to get a readout to find out > if they were alike -- or just how close each was to the others. With > my eye, I thought I could detect slight differences between several, > which I attributed to different stages of oxidation and layers of > patina. > > Got eight different readings, even though we removed the patina to > get additional readings. All were pretty close -- within a narrow > range -- but still, eight different readings. So much for my idea of > saying, "Okay, mix me up a gallon I can use in my spray gun and > airbrush." > > So, finding a touch-up color to perfectly disguise a few "warts" is > impossible. Reminds me of the poor matches I always got trying those > shake-em-up auto paint touchup pens. > > Phil K > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38615	From: lember2004	Date: 2/2/2006
Subject: Answer received to '46 operating car question

Thanks to Bob Moyer for sharing that one truck has both pick-ups & operation is ok over re-railers. Mark

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38616	From: charlie and edith	Date: 2/2/2006
Subject: K335 Electrical Question

Greetings! Am getting cycling in the reverse unit and static in the speaker but nothing in the engine. All the critical parts are cleaned, had to get it on the track, and there is continuity as I follow the wireing diagram. The armature and field show continuity and the trucks are not showing ground to the frame. A toothpick on the reverse unit fingers did not produce a change. What have I missed??? Thanks for your thoughts and best wishes, Charlie [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38617	From: Furmanak, Stan	Date: 2/2/2006
Subject: Lehigh Valley S Gaugers news

Bill Fraley has been busy catching up on reporting on the Lehigh Valley S Gaugers and the club activity for the past year. I invite you all to visit the Lehigh Valley S Gaugers' website (http://www.lehighvalleysgaugers.org <http://www.lehighvalleysgaugers.org/> ) and read his latest installments of the "Roundtable" and, of course, the very latest "Ask Lottie". Each issue of the Roundtable features a report on the meeting for that month, has lots of great photos, and many also feature visits to other model railroad layouts in those other scales. A guest column by Dick Karnes updates the progress of his layout. There's a lot to read and some great images to view so grab a cup of coffee, kick back a little, and enjoy! Adobe Acrobat Reader (version 5 at a minimum) is required to view the Roundtable. Please let me know if you have difficulty in opening the "Roundtable" issues or if they take too long to load for you. Stan Furmanak LVSG Webmaster P.S. As Bill would say, "Happy Rails to You" [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38618	From: ED WHELAN	Date: 2/2/2006
Subject: Re: Source for AF paint colors

David, Thanks for your input. Fortunately, my experience with the group has been very, very positive with this one exception. I've been out of model trains for 50 years or so, and am a bit "rusty" in the knowledge department and am legally blind. I can no longer read books or manuals but I can use adaptive computer equipment. Thus, I must rely on groups such as this for gathering information. I have met many kind and knowledgeable people who have literally bent over backwards to assist me and am very grateful for their help. By the way, the individual who was looking for a source for A.F. paint thanked me. The best feeling a person can have, is when you do something nice for someone else. There's an old saying I think about from time to time. "No one of us knows as much as all of us." Seems apropos in this case. Regards, Ed ----- Original Message ----- From: "David" <af21115@...> To: "ED WHELAN" <ejw333@...> Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 11:21 AM Subject: Re: Source for AF paint colors Exactly why I left this group and got out of American Flyer. They can take a simple question and make it into the biggest managerie on earth. Some of them post the same thing repeatedly just to hear themselves speak. I got tired of giving sound correct advice based on 35 years of collecting, repairing and restoring only to be told I was wrong and I had no idea what I was talking about. This group is on their own (planet). I'm now proudly a Lionel Standard Gauge collector, repairman, restoration expert. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "ED WHELAN" <ejw333@...> wrote: > > The fact is, nothing in life is perfect, Over analyzing a simple question > from an individual looking for a simple paint question is ludicrous. It is > obvious that some of us have way too much free time. The AF hobby should > take us back to those wonderful memories we had and still have as kids, but > to over scrutinize a simple request for help is without a doubt going > overboard. AMEN!!! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Phil K" <waldootten@...> > To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 6:19 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Source for AF paint colors > > > >> That's quite an overstatement. Those paints are great > >> for repaint, but are hardly exact matches, and are not > >> close enough , in most cases, to be used for touch-up. > > > > Truth is, there is no exact match. > > > > About two years ago, I decided to toodle on down to my local Sherwin > > Williams paint store and brought along eight different AC Gilbert > > Flyer "standard green" bases, all from my parts bins. > > > > I wanted the technician to put each base under the computerized Sher- > > Color machine and color-correct lights to get a readout to find out > > if they were alike -- or just how close each was to the others. With > > my eye, I thought I could detect slight differences between several, > > which I attributed to different stages of oxidation and layers of > > patina. > > > > Got eight different readings, even though we removed the patina to > > get additional readings. All were pretty close -- within a narrow > > range -- but still, eight different readings. So much for my idea of > > saying, "Okay, mix me up a gallon I can use in my spray gun and > > airbrush." > > > > So, finding a touch-up color to perfectly disguise a few "warts" is > > impossible. Reminds me of the poor matches I always got trying those > > shake-em-up auto paint touchup pens. > > > > Phil K > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38619	From: Mark Preman	Date: 2/2/2006
Subject: American Flyer Trains for Sale

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 38620	From: John G	Date: 2/2/2006
Subject: Re: K335 Electrical Question

=> What have I missed??? Here is what I would check: Does it have good brushes & brush springs and the brushes move freely to make contact with the commutator. Is there a broken wire or bad solder joint between the e unit and the motor? Is a female plug loose on the 4 pin plug assembly at the back of the engine? Are the wires solidly soldered into the pins of the jack? If you have another engine, you can swap the tender & engine to narrow down which piece is causing the problem. Another trick - add a jumper to the engine jack panel to see if it runs without the eunit. See: http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/diagram/jumper.gif Hope this helps! John G Am getting cycling in the reverse unit and static in the > speaker but nothing in the engine. All the critical parts are > cleaned, had to get it on the track, and there is continuity as I > follow the wireing diagram. The armature and field show continuity > and the trucks are not showing ground to the frame. A toothpick on > the reverse unit fingers did not produce a change. What have I > missed???

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38621	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 2/2/2006
Subject: Re: K335 Electrical Question

Try with a meter to see if you have a broken wire or a cold solder joint....Mike ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38622	From: captwaterfall	Date: 2/2/2006
Subject: space between drive wheels on steam engins

Hi Im new to the group. Live in new hamp and have my af from childhood. For the last 5 years I have been collecting and rebuilding 40s-60s af. Dose any one know the correct distance between the drive wheels of steam engins and cars .

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38623	From: Scott Holm	Date: 2/2/2006
Subject: Re: Track Trips

The 696 trip makes connection when the wheel flanges are hitting the button. They are only useful for a bell signal. It makes the signal go ding-ding ding-ding ding-ding ding-ding, ...etc. The 697 is a pressure trip that makes connection when the weight of the engine or cars is on or near the trip. It is adjustable so you can make it trip when only an engine is over it and not light cars. It requires the track not be tacked down, so that it rises up and releases the contact when there's nothing heavy enough in the area to push it down. It is used for semaphore operation, automatic switching, block control, crossing gates, etc. These trips are much more useful. Jim Ensign <hugoroundhouseflyer@...> wrote: I'm new to this forum -- been over at the CTT site but it's just too dominated by those three-rail guys!! Can someone give me a quick summary of the differences between the 696 and 697 AF Track Trips? I have a few 696's and wonder what a 697 would do differently. Thanks in advance. Jim E. S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Relax. Yahoo! Mail virus scanning helps detect nasty viruses! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38624	From: Scott Holm	Date: 2/2/2006
Subject: Re: Source for AF paint colors

I don't think that Phil's analysis was overdone or ludicrous. Using previous experience he answered a question that many of us have often pondered. I have been tempted to take some of my Flyer to the paint store to have it analyzed, but haven't because I'd be too embarassed. I always hate when they ask, "what is this for?" like when I went in search of wrinkle paint for a stockyard roof. I even tried to scan a passenger car into my computer so that I could then scan paint smears to try to make a paint mix that would match. I never came close to making this work. ED WHELAN <ejw333@...> wrote: The fact is, nothing in life is perfect, Over analyzing a simple question from an individual looking for a simple paint question is ludicrous. It is obvious that some of us have way too much free time. The AF hobby should take us back to those wonderful memories we had and still have as kids, but to over scrutinize a simple request for help is without a doubt going overboard. AMEN!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phil K" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 6:19 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Source for AF paint colors >> That's quite an overstatement. Those paints are great >> for repaint, but are hardly exact matches, and are not >> close enough , in most cases, to be used for touch-up. > > Truth is, there is no exact match. > > About two years ago, I decided to toodle on down to my local Sherwin > Williams paint store and brought along eight different AC Gilbert > Flyer "standard green" bases, all from my parts bins. > > I wanted the technician to put each base under the computerized Sher- > Color machine and color-correct lights to get a readout to find out > if they were alike -- or just how close each was to the others. With > my eye, I thought I could detect slight differences between several, > which I attributed to different stages of oxidation and layers of > patina. > > Got eight different readings, even though we removed the patina to > get additional readings. All were pretty close -- within a narrow > range -- but still, eight different readings. So much for my idea of > saying, "Okay, mix me up a gallon I can use in my spray gun and > airbrush." > > So, finding a touch-up color to perfectly disguise a few "warts" is > impossible. Reminds me of the poor matches I always got trying those > shake-em-up auto paint touchup pens. > > Phil K --------------------------------- What are the most popular cars? Find out at Yahoo! Autos [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38625	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 2/2/2006
Subject: Spring Spree

----- Original Message ----- From: "Lance McCold" <lancemccold@...> > What is the web site for the S-pring Spree? > > > > > > > > > > -----------Respnse--------- http://www.cvsga.org/sspree2006.htm Tom Hawley

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38626	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 2/2/2006
Subject: Re: Source for AF paint colors

Try the auto parts store they AT ONE TIME sold wrinkle paint....Mike ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38627	From: ED WHELAN	Date: 2/2/2006
Subject: Re: Source for AF paint colors

Scott, I wasn't referring to Phil K's remarks, but rather to another individual. Some of the emails have been skipped over. The point was that someone asked for a source for A.F. paint to repaint A # 591 crossing gate that had previously been painted very poorly. He wasn't trying to restore it but make it look somewhat presentable. Ed ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Holm To: ED WHELAN ; waldootten@... ; s-trains Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 11:35 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Source for AF paint colors I don't think that Phil's analysis was overdone or ludicrous. Using previous experience he answered a question that many of us have often pondered. I have been tempted to take some of my Flyer to the paint store to have it analyzed, but haven't because I'd be too embarassed. I always hate when they ask, "what is this for?" like when I went in search of wrinkle paint for a stockyard roof. I even tried to scan a passenger car into my computer so that I could then scan paint smears to try to make a paint mix that would match. I never came close to making this work. ED WHELAN <ejw333@...> wrote: The fact is, nothing in life is perfect, Over analyzing a simple question from an individual looking for a simple paint question is ludicrous. It is obvious that some of us have way too much free time. The AF hobby should take us back to those wonderful memories we had and still have as kids, but to over scrutinize a simple request for help is without a doubt going overboard. AMEN!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phil K" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 6:19 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Source for AF paint colors >> That's quite an overstatement. Those paints are great >> for repaint, but are hardly exact matches, and are not >> close enough , in most cases, to be used for touch-up. > > Truth is, there is no exact match. > > About two years ago, I decided to toodle on down to my local Sherwin > Williams paint store and brought along eight different AC Gilbert > Flyer "standard green" bases, all from my parts bins. > > I wanted the technician to put each base under the computerized Sher- > Color machine and color-correct lights to get a readout to find out > if they were alike -- or just how close each was to the others. With > my eye, I thought I could detect slight differences between several, > which I attributed to different stages of oxidation and layers of > patina. > > Got eight different readings, even though we removed the patina to > get additional readings. All were pretty close -- within a narrow > range -- but still, eight different readings. So much for my idea of > saying, "Okay, mix me up a gallon I can use in my spray gun and > airbrush." > > So, finding a touch-up color to perfectly disguise a few "warts" is > impossible. Reminds me of the poor matches I always got trying those > shake-em-up auto paint touchup pens. > > Phil K ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ What are the most popular cars? Find out at Yahoo! Autos [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38628	From: Phil K	Date: 2/3/2006
Subject: How did these original AGC smoke cartridges survive?

Over the years, I have seen/found dozens of unused AC Gilbert Flyer smoke cartridges. All of them, while unused, were shriveled up like old prunes. Somehow, much of the golden liquid inside was able to pass through the bladder -- or somehow become reduced in volume. I'm not sure which. Which begs the following questions: What material did Gilbert use for the bladders? How did the smoke fluid escape/downsize? How did these 72 original smoke cartridges being offered on eBay survive all these decades without losing any of their volume -- the picture of them looks like a butcher's rack of fat little sausages. Here's the URL: http://tinyurl.com/9d2rk Anyone? Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38629	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 2/3/2006
Subject: Re: How did these original AGC smoke cartridges survive?

When I first started selling fluid I used a soft bottle & wound up with the same results as AC did. I now use a plastic called PET no leakage or shrinkage....MIke ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38630	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 2/3/2006
Subject: gauging Flyer

.and so it was asked: Dose any one know the correct distance between the drive wheels of steam engines and cars? .710", a hair less than 23/32", back to back, works very well and is the NMRA standard (.712") for Hi-rail as well. Hey, Bob Bubeck, I know you know your Flyonel. Can you add anything to this? Do they have a gauging standard they shoot for? Tom Stoltz Tom's Turnouts & Trackwork Maine S Gaugers NASG [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38631	From: muniman18	Date: 2/3/2006
Subject: re paint

If I might add my thoughts to the discussion. you may never be able to match the color, sheen etc etc of the original af paint. so what. are we all the same as we were 30 40 or 50 years ago no. come a close as you can and forget about it. In another 2 months it will all be a thing of the past Its an accessory.it just adds to the overall layout. Mike

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38632	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 2/3/2006
Subject: Source for AF paint colors

Ladies and gentlemen, Going back to my experience running a Hardware Store (remember them??) with a large Paint Dept, color will vary from lot to lot or batch to batch. Whenever I had to mix a multi-gallon color order, I was sure to use the SAME Batch number of the color base, run the formula very carefully, and then suggest to the painter ( if not a professional) to combine ALL the cans of paint into one to be sure color ran true. The factory couldn't guarantee ABSOLUTE color matches, we promised to be as close as humanly posssible. NO surprise the "same" color hue or depth varies from year to year on the same product. Jim "still stirring up the works" Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38633	From: Bruce D. Willis	Date: 2/3/2006
Subject: Need wiring information for 336 w/air chime whistle

It has been 6 months since we moved and I still haven't found my repair manuals (or Greenburg's Vol. 3, either). I found an air whistle wiring diagram for the 336 on Doug's website, but it doesn't match the piece I'm working on. This piece is wired (air whistle portion only) pick-up to negative side of capacitor (yellow AEROVOX, E2509, 25 MFD, 25 D.C.W.V., MADE IN USA, 624) to speaker to other pick-up (everything is in series). It has a fairly loud buzz in normal operation and gets about twice as loud when I press the actuator button. The speaker only has 2 terminals, but Doug's diagram shows 3 terminals, with the capacitor running between 2 of them. 1) Is mine wired correctly? 2) Is there a way to reduce the ambient buzz? 3) Is there supposed to be a resistor somewhere, or is it built into the capacitor I have? 4) Is the capacitor bad? 5) Is the capacitor supposed to filter out the 60 cycle AC? 6) Does anyone have a discussion on their website of how this works? I tried searching the messages for previous posts on the subject, but my dial-up connection isn't very conducive to that. Thanks, Bruce

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38634	From: Bruce D. Willis	Date: 2/3/2006
Subject: Re: How did these original AGC smoke cartridges survive?

I bought some track cleaning fluid a few years ago from RFG that came in a soft bottle. After a little while, the bottle contorted as if squeezed, but eventually the fluid all disappeared and the bottle went back to its original shape. And I never used any of it! - Bruce --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, anormal1@... wrote: > > When I first started selling fluid I used a soft bottle & wound up with the > same results as AC did. I now use a plastic called PET no leakage or > shrinkage....MIke > > ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID > Michael Strickland > 211 Summit Ave. > Medford, Ore. 97501 > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38635	From: charlie and edith	Date: 2/3/2006
Subject: K335

Greetings! The K335 IS RUNNING. The culprit appears to have been, some almost broken wires up inside the wireing harness, at the jack pannel. Such a good feeling to get one of these "back on the track". My thanks for all the help ... it is really appreciated! Best wishes, Charlie [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38636	From: Ed Eckert	Date: 2/3/2006
Subject: 'O' Scale 'S' Scale West in Santa Clara

Went to the show today. Met many of the GGAFC members and some of the local BASS group. This was an event where the 'O' Scale West brought in the 'S' Scale people as well. We had keith and Kathy Blanchard with their Pine Canyon kits, Howard and Judy Sheffield of Howard's Trains, Ron Sebastion and his wife and granddaughter of Des Planes Hobbies, Glen Guerro of Mullet River Model Works who is working with Ron on a new wood caboose kit to be released by Ron, Pacific Rail Shops with many of their car kits and other tables with a variety of S products, and Jettie Padgett. I appologize for forgetting those that I have missed. I was impressed by the number of S products available for sale Bass had there modular layout running and they also were heading up the model contest and door prizes. NASG with Lee Johnson was manning the table with support from the local club. Ed Loizeaux was on the open house layout tour with his 20 x 20 S scale layout. Will be going tomorrow as well. They had 14 clinics scheduled for the show. Ed Eckert

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38637	From: ED WHELAN	Date: 2/4/2006
Subject: Re: re paint

Thanks Mike. My argument in a nutshell. Just answer an individuals question to the beat of your ability and let them decide for themselves the best alternative for their particular situation, as opposed to going on and on. If someone chooses to address a specific topic then elaborate, otherwise be brief and to the point. Ed ----- Original Message ----- From: "muniman18" <muniman18@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 6:55 PM Subject: [S-Trains] re paint > If I might add my thoughts to the discussion. you may never be > able to match the color, sheen etc etc of the original af > paint. so what. are we all the same as we were 30 40 or 50 > years ago no. come a close as you can and forget about it. > In another 2 months it will all be a thing of the past Its an > accessory.it just adds to the overall layout. Mike > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38638	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 2/4/2006
Subject: Re: STYROFOAM TUNNELS/MOUNTAINS

In a message dated 2/1/2006 11:56:20 AM Eastern Standard Time, carl@... writes: http://www.tuveson.com/foamscenery/foam_scenery.htm Carl, very nice pictures and wonderful work. Paul S. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38639	From: Joseph Higgins	Date: 2/4/2006
Subject: Re: re paint

There are many time when new folks who have never heard previous questions and answers do benifeit from the rehash of old issues. But, in general, this group tends to duel on re-inventing the wheel. Add to that, adding of things that have nothing to do with the issue. I can see why some people say they have left the group, I don't understand how this group could cause them to leave "S", for some obscure 3 rail system. I have seen where some people just answer posts, it would seem only to post an ad about themselves or their product. It's great when a posters only agenda is to impart relevent information to help a fellow modeler. All too many times there are clearly other intentions. Answer the question and then move on. Joe --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "ED WHELAN" <ejw333@...> wrote: > > Thanks Mike. My argument in a nutshell. Just answer an individuals question > to the beat of your ability and let them decide for themselves the best > alternative for their particular situation, as opposed to going on and on. > If someone chooses to address a specific topic then elaborate, otherwise be > brief and to the point. Ed > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "muniman18" <muniman18@...> > To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 6:55 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] re paint > > > > If I might add my thoughts to the discussion. you may never be > > able to match the color, sheen etc etc of the original af > > paint. so what. are we all the same as we were 30 40 or 50 > > years ago no. come a close as you can and forget about it. > > In another 2 months it will all be a thing of the past Its an > > accessory.it just adds to the overall layout. Mike > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38640	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 2/4/2006
Subject: Sunday Chat, 2/5/2006, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 38641	From: firex43	Date: 2/4/2006
Subject: 696 Track Trip

In addition to making the bell ring in the 759 Bell Danger Signal, the 696 track trip causes the lights to flash on and off. John Keating

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38642	From: lember2004	Date: 2/4/2006
Subject: how much will an AF405 pull?

Will an AF 405 diesel [one motor, no Pul-Mor] pull without strain a consist of 2 aluminum passenger cars and 2 plastic ones? I am trying to decide on a passenger train consist to add to the layout. (I know that the two-motored 360 can just manage 3 aluminum cars & a dummy PB, hence my question.) Thanks for your help! Mark

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38643	From: Michael T Kolosseus	Date: 2/4/2006
Subject: AF list available.

Hi Flyer Fans, My new February list of AF trains is now available. Among the items listed is the rolling stock for the Simmons set, including the modified engine. Contact me for an email copy.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38644	From: Larry Moore	Date: 2/4/2006
Subject: Air chime whistle

A big thanks to all that responded to my question on the Air Chime Whistle. Out of it came the obvious conclusion, we did not buy the engines for the sound of the whistle. Again thanks, Larry [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38645	From: David Cooke	Date: 2/4/2006
Subject: S Scale for sale Bargain prices

Freight Cars $500.00 Locomotives $600.00 Brass Cabooses $500.00 All Models have scale wheels and Kadees Frieght Cars SHS USRA SP XM 40' Box UP SP Custom Painted 40' Wood Reefer UP SP Custom Painted 40' Wood Reefer ATSF Steel rebuilt 40' XM 40.Box ATSF Steel rebuilt 40' XM 40.Box SP Steel rebuilt 40' XM 40.Box DL&W Steel rebuilt 40' XM 40.Box Pennsy Steel rebuilt 40' XM 40.Box GN Wood Unweathered Box ATSF Wood Reefer The Scout ATSF Caboose 2 Bay Hopper SP S Scale America GATX Tank Car UTLX Tank Car PRS 50/ DD Box undec 50' DD Box SP 50' DD 50' DD Box GN 40' PFE Steel Reefer 40' SP Box GCM Brass SP C-30-1 Wood Caboose Modernised Standard Cupola Brass SP C-40-1 Steel Cupola Caboose Brass SP C-30-4 Bay Window Caboose. 4 Locomotives consisting of 1 SP SHS Black Widow A-B F3 set DCC sound scale wheels Kadees 1 SP SW1 SHS Scale wheels Kadees Tiger stripe 1 SW9 SHS Stripped down ready for paint David Cooke (928) 775 0002 matador@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38646	From: Keith Thompson	Date: 2/4/2006
Subject: Cleaning AF

Hello, My wife and I have been getting back into flyer a little bit and we have a question: What is the best way to clean painted and non-painted AF? The pieces I've had for years could use some cleaning as well as some bargain basement items we picked up at a recent show. I obviously don't want to damage the paint or lettering on the cars etc. Any suggestions on process or products would be appreciated. Regards, keith thompson

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38647	From: rkuepper	Date: 2/4/2006
Subject: Re: how much will an AF405 pull?

I don't know about the 405, but my Santa Fe A-B-A will pull 7 passenger cars with no problem. Dick Aurora, OH -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of lember2004 Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 4:26 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] how much will an AF405 pull? Will an AF 405 diesel [one motor, no Pul-Mor] pull without strain a consist of 2 aluminum passenger cars and 2 plastic ones? I am trying to decide on a passenger train consist to add to the layout. (I know that the two-motored 360 can just manage 3 aluminum cars & a dummy PB, hence my question.) Thanks for your help! Mark

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38648	From: Ed Eckert	Date: 2/5/2006
Subject: Day 2, O/S Scale West, Santa Clara

I returned for day 2 of this fine even. I need to update from yesterday, of those I forgot about as I was writing last nights post. I hadn't planned on sending out a post, so hadn't taken any notes. Corections first, Ron and Sue Sebastian Des Planes Hobbies also are handling the Clevor Paper structures, John and Felix Verser from Pacific Rail Shops, and Jettie Padgett with his Southwind brass products. Now on to those I forgot. Sam McCoy our illustrious NASG President, Bill McClung from Mead, Co., Gil Hulin with the Northwest S Scalers, Rich Yoder, from Pennsylvania, testing the S scale waters. There were other tables with S scale products for sale as well. NASG also had a table set up. It was confirmed today that this will again be a joint meet for next year, February 15-17, 2007. Comments from those attending: Ron Sebastian: Great meet, I'll be back next year. Jettie Padgett: Tell them The Fat man from Florida said you missed a great show. Howard Sheffield: Turnout of people was much better than expected and the support of dealers coming from afar. Bill McClung: I'll see you next year. Don't miss it. Modeling awards A. locomotives: Ist place: Lee Johnson, SP Steam 2nd place: Paul Washburn, SP Diesel B. Rolling stock: 1st place: Paul Washburn, SP crew car 2nd place: Don Harper, RGS plow flanger 3rd place: lee Johnson, SP passenger car C. Structure: 1st place and best of Show: Don Harper, D&RGW Engine house, Crested Butte, Co. D. Favorite train: 1st place: Paul Washburn, SP freight train I probably still missed S people and sellers, but I had a wonderful time meeting new and reminscing with those I have met from the past and friends that I see many times a year. We even got potential members for the local clubs. By talking to strangers promoting S we all win; scale, hi-rail, collector, buyers, sellers and dealers. So, open mouth and meet some friendly train people and have a new friend. Ed Eckert

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38649	From: Don Thompson	Date: 2/5/2006
Subject: Re: Day 2, O/S Scale West, Santa Clara

Dear Ed, I was hoping to make it this year, but we are not able to do three shows in three weeks. Next week is the WGH show in Chantilly, VA. I have put next year's show into the Palm and hope that Robin and I can make it. She loves the bay area. Oh, Feb 15th is a Thursday just to be sure. This might be a great Valentine's day for Robin. Maybe we will come a day early. Maybe Susan and Ron will join us this time. Best, Don Ed Eckert wrote: >It was confirmed today that this will again be a joint meet for next >year, February 15-17, 2007. > > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38650	From: jhwysopal	Date: 2/5/2006
Subject: Cleaning AF cars

Keith Thompson asked: My wife and I have been getting back into flyer a little bit and we have a question: What is the best way to clean painted and non-painted AF? The pieces I've had for years could use some cleaning as well as some bargain basement items we picked up at a recent show. I obviously don't want to damage the paint or lettering on the cars etc. Any suggestions on process or products would be appreciated. Response: I use mild dish detergent in warm water and a 1/2" soft artist brush. I submerge the piece and quickly remove it from the water. Then with the brush scrub all the rivets and ribs. I avoid scrubbing decals and printing. Then I set the item on the mantel above my wood stove to dry. Obviously this is a winter job. Turn the wheels and trucks to move any trapped water, leave boxcar doors open. Does not clean 100% of the piece but they are a far sight better than what they were before. I have had some paint flake off metal cars but this was loose to begin with and just needed a bump to come off. Jim

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38651	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 2/5/2006
Subject: Any wisdom on selecting a Common / Base Post rail?

OK, enough switches cleaned to build the layout, track, diamond, rerailer RR crossing etc... and other than four custom cuts, the layout is back together. That means wiring for track power comes soon. So, any wisdom in how to best select what will be the common / base post rail for the layout? Thanks! Michael

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Subject: Sunday Chat, 2/5/2006, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 38653	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 2/5/2006
Subject: Track Cleaning

Might want to be careful using GOO-GONE, a great product to be sure, on ANY track with plastic as part of it. Experience talking. Jim "gotta re-lay the rails" Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38654	From: Phil K	Date: 2/5/2006
Subject: Lost message found

This message was approved this morning, but somehow got lost in the ether... I was able to retrieve the content: FROM: fahrwud@... DATE: Sun, 05 Feb 2006 14:54:51 -0000 SUBJECT: 101 Dumbest Moments in Business "2005's shenanigans, skulduggery and just plain stupidity." .....and apparently Lionel made #12 on CNN's list. Gah.......... http://tinyurl.com/blx9u

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38655	From: Keith Blanchard	Date: 2/5/2006
Subject: Re: 'O' Scale 'S' Scale West in Santa Clara

Hi Gang, Kathy and I from Pine Canyon finaly got out and attended what we feel was one fine show. It was real nice to meet so many of our supporters in person. I must say that we are blessed with some of the nicest people in the hobby. I really enjoyed chatting with Ed. He is a great suporter of S and alot of fun to talk with. Congratulations, Ed for winning the big daddy of all the door prizes. He got first pic and went home with one of our Firehouse kits. There were about 30 door prizes in all. Some real nice goodies. We are impressed to see what is available in S. If any of our group members are on the fence making a descision to convert, now is the time to go S. There is vertually nothing that can't be done. We had dinner and toured a few layouts with our new friends Howard and Judy, from Howard's Trains. They work real hard to promote S and have a great stock to shose from. They are real fun people. Howard helped us to gather stock for our new diorama in the works for future Pine Canyon structures. His large stock of S-helper cars made it easy to choose just the right stock. The O scale West was a great show. I am glad they invited S to attend this year. I only wish we had time to attend more around the country. We are very busy creating a couple new kits and filling orders. Having too much fun, Keith Blanchard www.pinecanyonrr.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38656	From: John	Date: 2/5/2006
Subject: 591 crossing gate

I would like to see the underside of a 591 crossing gate, large base, mine is missing the plunger and wire assembly. Thanks, John Simms

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38657	From: Phil K	Date: 2/5/2006
Subject: Here's the Lionel Dumbest moments award copy

The link in the post is dead. So here is the passage from money/cnn.com: 101 Dumbest Moments in Business 2005's shenanigans, skulduggery and just plain stupidity. By Adam Horowitz, David Jacobson, Mark Lasswell, and Owen Thomas No. 12. You invited who over for a play date down in the basement? Lionel, the largest U.S. manufacturer of model trains, settles a lawsuit with competitor K-Line in which Lionel alleged that K-Line had paid Lionel's chief engineer "to work surreptitiously ... and incorporate Lionel's current sound, speed control, and electrical transformers" into some K-Line products. Meanwhile, Lionel files for Chapter 11 while appealing a $40.8 million verdict won in 2004 by MTH Electric Trains -- which claimed that Lionel and a subcontractor had stolen its trade secrets.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38658	From: Roy Inman	Date: 2/5/2006
Subject: Cook Paint car

Hi all; Anyone out there happen to have one of the 2002 NASG Cook Paint & Varnish cars they would part with? Roy Inman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38659	From: Dave W	Date: 2/6/2006
Subject: 101 Dumbest Moments in Business

"2005's shenanigans, skulduggery and just plain stupidity." .....and apparently Lionel made #12 on CNN's list. Gah.......... http://money.cnn.com/magazines/business2/101dumbest/full_list/page1.html

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38660	From: Keith Thompson	Date: 2/6/2006
Subject: dealing with a rust spot

Hello, Thanks for the replies regarding cleaning my AF. It sounds like dish soap and soft brush is the way to go. I have another question but after reading the recent thread on "Source for AF paint colors" I'm a bit hesitant. :) I have a (favorite) flat car that is stamped metal and it is in near perfect condition except for one rust spot on the top of the deck. I'm thinking that if I leave it, the rust will spread. I'd like to stop the rust and touch up the grey paint (here is where I don't want to open a can of worms). The car is number 909 and has a big orange girder on top if that helps? Suggestions, on either dealing with the rust or paint touchup would be appreciated. Regards, keith thompson

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38661	From: David Cooke	Date: 2/6/2006
Subject: 2 x ESPEE Depots W A Drake and Co for Sale

2 x ESPEE Depots WA Drake and Co 1 x Common Standard # 23 $100.00 1 x Common Standard # 23 with Freight add on and platform $ 125.00 these are MIB Resin kits Frieght Cars $500.00 SHS USRA SP XM 40' Box UP SP Custom Painted 40' Wood Reefer UP SP Custom Painted 40' Wood Reefer ATSF Steel rebuilt 40' XM 40.Box ATSF Steel rebuilt 40' XM 40.Box SP Steel rebuilt 40' XM 40.Box DL&W Steel rebuilt 40' XM 40.Box Pennsy Steel rebuilt 40' XM 40.Box GN Wood Unweathered Box ATSF Wood Reefer The Scout ATSF Caboose 2 Bay Hopper SP S Scale America GATX Tank Car UTLX Tank Car PRS 50/ DD Box undec 50' DD Box SP 50' DD Box SP 50' DD Box GN 40' PFE Steel Reefer 40' SP Box Gold Coast Models 3 cabooses MIB $500.00 Brass Brass SP C-30-1 Wood Caboose Modernised Standard Cupola Brass SP C-40-1 Steel Cupola Caboose Brass SP C-30-4 Bay Window Caboose. 4 x Locomotives $600.00 1 SP SHS Black Widow A-B F3 set DCC sound scale wheels Kadees 1 SP SW1 SHS Scale wheels Kadees Tiger stripe 1 SW9 SHS Stripped down ready for paint David Cooke 928 775 0002 ctplus@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38662	From: hellonc99	Date: 2/6/2006
Subject: Blatant Ad -- For Sale

Hi Everyone, I have a list of Flyer for sale and will send it to you if interested. Just contact me off list. Thanks, Tom Druga

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38663	From: Jim Ensign	Date: 2/6/2006
Subject: Paint Match

Good morning all -- I was the one that asked about matching AF paint colors a few days back... Didn't know I would be opening a can of worms along with the can of paint!! If you recall, it was the roadbed part of the crossing gate that I need to do something about - someone had sloppily repainted it a dark gray. What I ended up doing was taking the unit with me to several hobby shops and hardware stores and trying to match the cream-colored area the best I could. I finally found a small spray that looked pretty close - at least in the store's light. I decided not to fool with the rest of the piece, so I carefully masked off everything but the roadbed and gave it several light coats. I think it came out pretty well. Close enough for me, anyway. It's not an exact match to the pedestrian walkway, but close enough that you have to catch the light just right to see the difference. If you're not looking for it, you'd never know except that the new area, of course, doesn't show the normal wear and tear the rest of the piece does. Once again, thanks to all that gave advice and suggestions. If the proverbial "exact matches" ever come out - I'll get in line to buy them!! Jim E.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38664	From: jaytewilli	Date: 2/6/2006
Subject: Electronic Whistle Control

Question for the group. I'm about ready to start my first restoration of the "mysterious" 110 Volt, American Flyer Electronic Whistle Control. This is the control that Gilbert made in 1950 only and has a vacuum tube inside. I'm curious about the two neon lights inside. I saw them when I took off the bottom. I'm assuming that they were used to "set up" the unit and were used in conjuction perhaps with the variable potentiometers. Does anybody know their purpose and the correct procedure to set up the unit? I've never seen any service literature on this unit. Any info appreciated.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38665	From: mlmarmer	Date: 2/6/2006
Subject: Passenger Cars, Revisted

A couple of weeks ago, I wrote in how I used some Mag Wheel polish to shine up some Chrome 663, 662, 661, passenger cars, that I was about to throw away. And how that polish did a wonderful job on the chrome. Never did get a good answer from the S group on why the 661 was worth a bit more that the rest, as I don't have the 660. Anyway, I ordered some replacement parts, the Vista Dome, the overhead wire and the Drum Head. Got them, last week and replaced them. Looks even better. But I had alot of rust on the black painted chassis and socket for the light bulb. I used some Oxyslov on the rust, which took it off, plus the paint too, which is fine, since these are not collectable items, but something to run on the future layout. I took some masking tape to the wheels and the light socket and spray painted the chassis, both sides with flat black paint. Now they really look great, as the paint did not drip at all, left a professional looking paint job. Got the cars re-assemble, as these cars are tricky getting back on the chassis, as I think I am a expert now on doing that. O:)! Even my wife, says that the cars, chrome and chassis look new, and that was not referring to the TCA standard of Like New, but they really like new! So, now, I can quit TCA and sell them on Ebay like new. Just kidding, I would never quit TCA. Or sell them like new. Mike Marmer

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38666	From: mlmarmer	Date: 2/6/2006
Subject: Washington Post

Anyone see the display of ads in the Sport page for assorted things in the Washington Post, side by side. Which Caboose are we suppose to look at? LOL Mike Marmer

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38667	From: mlmarmer	Date: 2/6/2006
Subject: Chantilly Train Show

I got a flyer in the mail last week for a train show this weekend in Chantilly, VA. I see on the flyer, many brand name logo's that will be seen at this show. No where is to be seen a logo for Lionel. Why? But what is really is interesting is that they are promoting a LIVE BAND! Wahoo! Has this ever been done before a train show? And how is it train related? Are they going to play all those dreadful train songs by Bill Anderson, that you hear on Sundays on WAMU? You know the ones of someone dying in a wreck or how about the toe tapper of the one, when the singer wants his body in a coffin on the 9:30 train to somewhere just as dreadful. And who is this band going to be? Not the Rolling Stones, since they are probably too strung out by appearing at the Super Bowl. Not Janet Jackson, since she might do a little extra at the train show. Not Neil Young, as that would be a unfair advantage, being a TCA member and getting first dibs on this high paying job. More important that his new movie opening up on Feb. 17. Maybe a no name local garage band. Who knows, some day, when this no name band, becomes famous and if you when to the train show and show them, you can tell the grand kids, you saw them when they were at Chantilly for a train show! Almost like seeing the Beatles at the old Washington, DC Coliseum. Mike Marmer

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38668	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 2/6/2006
Subject: Re: Electronic Whistle Control

The two NE-2 bulbs are used as "sawtooth oscillators" and both beat together to make the air chime. They are coupled to the amplifier tube which is also the power supply rectifier for the unit. The trimmer capacitors will change the tuning and frequency of the two oscillators. Carl -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of jaytewilli Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 5:13 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Electronic Whistle Control Question for the group. I'm about ready to start my first restoration of the "mysterious" 110 Volt, American Flyer Electronic Whistle Control. This is the control that Gilbert made in 1950 only and has a vacuum tube inside. I'm curious about the two neon lights inside. I saw them when I took off the bottom. I'm assuming that they were used to "set up" the unit and were used in conjuction perhaps with the variable potentiometers. Does anybody know their purpose and the correct procedure to set up the unit? I've never seen any service literature on this unit. Any info appreciated. S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38669	From: Charles E. Smith	Date: 2/6/2006
Subject: Re: Any wisdom on selecting a Common / Base Post rail?

If you have any action cars, the metal wheels should contact the base rail.. Chuck Smith, On matters of style swim with the current. On matters of substance stand like a rock. Thos. Jefferson (may be paraphrased) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Lueck" <pianoman@...> To: "S-Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2006 6:21 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Any wisdom on selecting a Common / Base Post rail? > OK, enough switches cleaned to build the layout, track, diamond, rerailer RR > crossing etc... and other than four custom cuts, the layout is back together. > That means wiring for track power comes soon. So, any wisdom in how to best > select what will be the common / base post rail for the layout? > > Thanks! > Michael > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38670	From: Scott Holm	Date: 2/6/2006
Subject: Re: Electronic Whistle Control

Carl, can you elaborate on a procedure for "tuning" the unit to get it to work? Would an oscilloscope help in this? Carl Tuveson <carl@...> wrote: The two NE-2 bulbs are used as "sawtooth oscillators" and both beat together to make the air chime. They are coupled to the amplifier tube which is also the power supply rectifier for the unit. The trimmer capacitors will change the tuning and frequency of the two oscillators. Carl -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of jaytewilli Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 5:13 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Electronic Whistle Control Question for the group. I'm about ready to start my first restoration of the "mysterious" 110 Volt, American Flyer Electronic Whistle Control. This is the control that Gilbert made in 1950 only and has a vacuum tube inside. I'm curious about the two neon lights inside. I saw them when I took off the bottom. I'm assuming that they were used to "set up" the unit and were used in conjuction perhaps with the variable potentiometers. Does anybody know their purpose and the correct procedure to set up the unit? I've never seen any service literature on this unit. Any info appreciated. S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Brings words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38671	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 2/6/2006
Subject: Re: Electronic Whistle Control

Scott, The tuning is not critical. If the neons are glowing then you just need to tune each to peak brightness and then adjust to close to the same frequency to beat against each other like an air horn does, listening to the output. If the Neons are not glowing and tuning will not make them fire then the Power tube or Caps may be bad. Be very careful when working on the innards as the electronics are not isolated from the 110v AC. Only the output is isolated via the output transformer. You could get scientific I suppose, and use a scope or frequency counter but AC Gilbert probably never did. :-) Carl -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Scott Holm Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 7:03 PM To: s-trains Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Electronic Whistle Control Carl, can you elaborate on a procedure for "tuning" the unit to get it to work? Would an oscilloscope help in this? Carl Tuveson <carl@...> wrote: The two NE-2 bulbs are used as "sawtooth oscillators" and both beat together to make the air chime. They are coupled to the amplifier tube which is also the power supply rectifier for the unit. The trimmer capacitors will change the tuning and frequency of the two oscillators. Carl -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of jaytewilli Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 5:13 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Electronic Whistle Control Question for the group. I'm about ready to start my first restoration of the "mysterious" 110 Volt, American Flyer Electronic Whistle Control. This is the control that Gilbert made in 1950 only and has a vacuum tube inside. I'm curious about the two neon lights inside. I saw them when I took off the bottom. I'm assuming that they were used to "set up" the unit and were used in conjuction perhaps with the variable potentiometers. Does anybody know their purpose and the correct procedure to set up the unit? I've never seen any service literature on this unit. Any info appreciated. S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Brings words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38672	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 2/6/2006
Subject: Re: S-Scale People

Wanted a good source of S scale people (all types). Also back to the S Scale automobile/truck request. I purchased some Johnny Lightning trucks and they are just "undersized" to be S scale. Pick up truck measures 5 ft wide 5 ft tall and 12 ft long? Also a source for S Scale doors and windows for houses? Thanks Jerry M

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38673	From: G C	Date: 2/6/2006
Subject: AF Reading Atlantic

I'm not sure as I am not an AF collector per se, but was there a Reading Atlantic made with actual hand rails other than the early cast metal ones. I want to have an engine with actual hand rails as it makes the thing look even more like the prototype. Also, has anyone ever figured out a way to male the cow catcher look a bit better. I am pondering taking a jewers saw and cutting slots in an old junker shell to see how it looks.No sacrilidge intended here, just want to add a bit more detail. Thanks, Gene Cimino --------------------------------- Brings words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38674	From: manderman	Date: 2/6/2006
Subject: Re: Chantilly Train Show

Pardon me ROY.. Is that the cat that chewed the new shoes..? Hey... Maybe it will be a great JAZZ band and they will play Duke's - Take the A Train or Chattanooga Choo Choo or Doc Watson's - Freight Train Boogie, Wabash Cannonball, or Arlo Guthrie's - City of New Orleans, Jerry Garcia - Freight Train, or Orange Blossom Special...etc.. etc.. Look on the bright side. Be Positive... Think DUKE... I got a flyer in the mail last week for a train show this weekend in Chantilly, VA. I see on the flyer, many brand name logo's that will be seen at this show. No where is to be seen a logo for Lionel. Why? But what is really is interesting is that they are promoting a LIVE BAND! Wahoo! Has this ever been done before a train show? And how is it train related? Are they going to play all those dreadful train songs by Bill Anderson, that you hear on Sundays on WAMU? You know the ones of someone dying in a wreck or how about the toe tapper of the one, when the singer wants his body in a coffin on the 9:30 train to somewhere just as dreadful. And who is this band going to be? Not the Rolling Stones, since they are probably too strung out by appearing at the Super Bowl. Not Janet Jackson, since she might do a little extra at the train show. Not Neil Young, as that would be a unfair advantage, being a TCA member and getting first dibs on this high paying job. More important that his new movie opening up on Feb. 17. Maybe a no name local garage band. Who knows, some day, when this no name band, becomes famous and if you when to the train show and show them, you can tell the grand kids, you saw them when they were at Chantilly for a train show! Almost like seeing the Beatles at the old Washington, DC Coliseum. Mike Marmer S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38675	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 2/6/2006
Subject: Re: Electronic Whistle Control

If you ever need the tube I have them. They are brand new $22.50 shipped....Mike ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38676	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 2/6/2006
Subject: Re: Electronic Whistle Control

Take it from someone who has messed around with radio for a number of years in an ameteur capacity immediately replace the capacitors. If the thing won't whistle, or adjust it is 99% certain they are faulty. Alistair

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38677	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 2/7/2006
Subject: Re;S scale people

Try Fun & Games Miniatures for figures, I've bought many figures from them in both S and O scales. For windows and doors check out Grandt Line, once again I've bought many things from them. As for vehicles, we've been over this ground before, it's buyer beware. Take a scale card or ruler with you. The big box stores have a good selection of diecast, or try Toys R Us or other toy only store. Scenery Unlimited shows Railmaster vehicle kits in their catalog. Scenery Unlimited (Heimberger) has a selection of all the above in their catalog. Stumpy Stone...Appa;achian modeler

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38678	From: Don Thompson	Date: 2/7/2006
Subject: Re: S-Scale People

Dear Jerry, Grandt Line has a bunch of S scale windows and doors, you might be able to find them on the Walther's website. Artista models has about 100 S scale people. They are very nice and they have a table at York in the Orange Hall. It is in the middle of the hall, on the opposite side of the room as ours (front). Best, Don Jerry Matsick wrote: >Wanted a good source of S scale people (all types). Also back to the >S Scale automobile/truck request. I purchased some Johnny Lightning >trucks and they are just "undersized" to be S scale. > >Pick up truck measures 5 ft wide 5 ft tall and 12 ft long? > >Also a source for S Scale doors and windows for houses? > >Thanks > >Jerry M >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38679	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 2/7/2006
Subject: Re: Re;S scale people

Stumpy....... you always carry a ruler....... A 1.00 or 100.00 bill is 32' + in "S".....fold it in half....... 16' long or about the length of a lot of real cars...... Bills are almost 6" long..... just slightly over..... If I take a pic of something the I want to make a drawing of I put a bill in the pic...... measy.... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stumpy Stone" <mrstumpy@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 8:46 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re;S scale people > Try Fun & Games Miniatures for figures, I've bought many figures from > them in both S and O scales. For windows and doors check out Grandt > Line, once again I've bought many things from them. > As for vehicles, we've been over this ground before, it's buyer > beware. Take a scale card or ruler with you. The big box stores have > a good selection of diecast, or try Toys R Us or other toy only store. > Scenery Unlimited shows Railmaster vehicle kits in their catalog. > Scenery Unlimited (Heimberger) has a selection of all the above in > their catalog. > Stumpy Stone...Appa;achian modeler > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38680	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 2/7/2006
Subject: Allentown train meet February 25 & 26 2006

Hi all, This is a must see event. If you can make the trip, you won't be disappointed. _www.allentowntrainmeet.com_ (http://www.allentowntrainmeet.com) Fred [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38681	From: Keith Blanchard	Date: 2/7/2006
Subject: Let's Help Our Friends!

The Crescent City S Gaugers of New Orleans, Louisiana was hit hard by hurricane Katrina. As a result, half of their modular S layout was lost. The modular layout is used exclusively to promote S scale model railroading throughout the Gulf region and has significantly contributed to the model railroading industry. They have done shows and exhibitions throughout the South over the years and the public has always responded very positively. Friends we are asking for your support to help rebuild their modular layout. Already donations have been coming in, mostly in the form of basic material. What they really need at this point is scenery of any kind in 1/64th. A monetary donation would be greatly appreciated, but they will understand if you prefer not to use that method of support. Anything that can be spared to make a good S gauge layout is needed. Please send what you can. Both the NASG and the Crescent City S Gaugers will greatly appreciate your support. Please do not send your donations to Pine Canyon directly. Please contact W. Allen Evans, 7 Patricia Drive, Covington, LA 70433, phone 985-789- 0488 (Cell). This contact info has been posted with permission from Allen. We regret that their club coordinator, Jay Mellon, has lost his home in the flood and his address cannot be used for donations.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38682	From: Keith Blanchard	Date: 2/7/2006
Subject: Let's Help Our Friends more contact info

Here is Allen's email address for who to make checks out to. allen.evans@... . We have been told that many club members are out of work due to the disaster. Again, contact info posted with Allen's permission. Happy Railroading, Keith Blanchard

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38683	From: Art Shifrin	Date: 2/7/2006
Subject: Duke & train music

"Take The A Train" is deservedly well known and appreciated. BUT, one that preceded it by a few years is "Daybreak Express". It's much more vivid in conjuring the images and rhythms of a moving train (steamer in this case). In one of my previous incarnations I was present when the band recorded it for Victor in Chicago on December 4, 1933 on master 77201-1. It was originally issued here in the USA on 10" (78 of course) #24501 (back by Dear Old Southland) and has since been reissued in more modern formats, including dem der shiny disks that don't use needles. Groovy, no? Shiffy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38684	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 2/7/2006
Subject: Re - Duke & train music

Of course "Beyond the Blue Horizon" was probably the first of the genre being recorded on Victor by Jeanette McDonald in 1930 in the film Monte Carlo. When recorded well as in a later Andre Kostelanez version the train rythms are great. Wonder when the first train related disc was recorded? I have a 1903 Zonophone - "Night Train to Buffalo" which is a monologue with pseudo train noises. Alistair

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38685	From: G C	Date: 2/7/2006
Subject: Mark Rocket Fuel Car

Went to a nice train show at Porters Sidling, PA on Sunday. While there I picked up a Mark X246 four wheel Rocket Fuel Car. I paid $3.00 for the thing, brought it home and sawed the wheels off of the frame. Wondering if anyone knows what sort of car this resembles as a prototype. Wish I could include a picture, but I don't know how to attach it without it being deleated by Yahoo. Thanks, Gene Cimino --------------------------------- Relax. Yahoo! Mail virus scanning helps detect nasty viruses! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38686	From: Clay Buckage	Date: 2/7/2006
Subject: Re: Duke & train music

Shiffy, How about Texas & Pacific - Louis Jordan Now that's a Groove! Jordan did a number of train related songs. It's a shame his genius was not recognized earlier. -Clay --- Art Shifrin <Goldens3@...> wrote: > "Take The A Train" is deservedly well known and > appreciated. BUT, one > that preceded it by a few years is "Daybreak > Express". It's much more > vivid in conjuring the images and rhythms of a > moving train (steamer in > this case). In one of my previous incarnations I > was present when the > band recorded it for Victor in Chicago on December > 4, 1933 on master > 77201-1. It was originally issued here in the USA > on 10" (78 of course) > #24501 (back by Dear Old Southland) and has since > been reissued in more > modern formats, including dem der shiny disks that > don't use needles. > > Groovy, no? > > Shiffy > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > Clay Buckage Dave's Twacks & Twains Box 388 Tatamy, Pa. 18085 clay@... www.davestnt.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38687	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 2/7/2006
Subject: Re: Let's Help Our Friends!

----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Blanchard" <pinecanyonrr@...> . . . . . . What [ Crescent City S Gaugers ] really need at this point is scenery of any kind in 1/64th. . . . . . . . . > > > > > > > In a message direct from Allen Evans (do not confuse with Alan Evans) yesterday, he mentioned SHS flex ltrack. I'm shipping out to him a box of 6 pieces today. Tom Hawley -- Michigan Models

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38688	From: Scott Holm	Date: 2/7/2006
Subject: Re: Mark Rocket Fuel Car

Try tinypic.com to host a picture and then post the link instead. G C <ecphora123@...> wrote: Went to a nice train show at Porters Sidling, PA on Sunday. While there I picked up a Mark X246 four wheel Rocket Fuel Car. I paid $3.00 for the thing, brought it home and sawed the wheels off of the frame. Wondering if anyone knows what sort of car this resembles as a prototype. Wish I could include a picture, but I don't know how to attach it without it being deleated by Yahoo. Thanks, Gene Cimino --------------------------------- Relax. Yahoo! Mail virus scanning helps detect nasty viruses! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Brings words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38689	From: G C	Date: 2/7/2006
Subject: Re: Mark Rocket Fuel Car

Scott and interested others, here is the URL for the car in question. What can be done with it. As I said I sawed off the four fake trucks and plan to go from there, but what prototype might it follow. http://www.tracksidetrains.com/TRAIN%20GRAPHICS/MX-X246.jpg Thanks, Gene --------------------------------- Bring words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with your Yahoo! Mail. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38690	From: Keith Blanchard	Date: 2/7/2006
Subject: Re: Let's Help Our Friends!

I guess Allen mentioned scenery items mostly needed in an email to me, probaly because its our specialty. I am sure they can use anything S- scale related. Thanks for your help, Keith Blanchard Snip> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Keith Blanchard" <pinecanyonrr@...> What [ Crescent City S Gaugers ] really need at this point is > scenery of any kind in 1/64th > In a message direct from Allen Evans (do not confuse with Alan Evans) > yesterday, he mentioned SHS flex ltrack. I'm shipping out to him a box of > 6 pieces today. > Tom Hawley -- Michigan Models >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38691	From: Don	Date: 2/8/2006
Subject: passenger car

I have a green plastic passenger car. The wheel portion has somehow twisted. I took the car part off the base and I can't make all the wheels contact the track at the same time. Any ideas how to "untwist" this car base? Can I clamp it to a track and heat it somehow? Any help would be appreciated. After I get all these parts working again I'll start my wife on cleaning the track. Thanks in advance. Don

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38692	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 2/8/2006
Subject: Re: passenger car

IS the bottom very obviously a "die-cast" piece or stamped metal (most die-cast floors have steps cast into them). IF it is die-cast, enjoy it as long as you can, as the metal is suffering from "Zinc-pest" and will eventually crumble or break into little peices. NO cure except replacement. Jim Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38693	From: WEG138@aol.com	Date: 2/8/2006
Subject: Re: E bay prices

As I look at possible purchases on E bay I feel that the prices of American Flyer trains are rising. Dramatically! A lot of the rise in prices is due to increased shipping prices. I am an operator and not a collector so I don't have to bid. Has anyone else observed this ? If there are so many people involved in American Flyer, and S scale why aren't more of them in this group? Thanks! Bill Greaves [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38694	From: Don	Date: 2/8/2006
Subject: Passenger car

Thanks for the reply, Jim. The bottom seems to be a plastic of some sort. It's not magnetic at all even though it does have steps molded into it. There's no good way to make it pliable? Maybe like a hair dryer for PVC?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38695	From: Sam and Judy Williamson	Date: 2/8/2006
Subject: Re: passenger car

If you have the 1946/7 all plastic version (body and chassis) your situation is hopeless. Once the car warps there is little you can do. This is a common problem with this version. A replacement chassis would not work as there are design differences between these and the later versions from 1948 to end. Sam W. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don" <niblick_32966@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 10:50 AM Subject: [S-Trains] passenger car >I have a green plastic passenger car. The wheel portion has somehow > twisted. I took the car part off the base and I can't make all the > wheels contact the track at the same time. Any ideas how to "untwist" > this car base? Can I clamp it to a track and heat it somehow? Any help > would be appreciated. After I get all these parts working again I'll > start my wife on cleaning the track. Thanks in advance. > Don > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38696	From: Jenni Sipla	Date: 2/8/2006
Subject: Re: E bay prices

Bill I also have noticed this increase but remember the shipping is not included in the price. I think right now many trains have been going for more money then usual, because of two things. One is the Quality of the trains are better then it has been in the last two years. some more rare then others especially cars made in the mid to late 50s. Like the Liberty Cement Car or the Moe and Joe lumber car. I don't even see them at train shows!!! At least the local ones i go to anyway. The other reason i feel is people of my age group 25-35 are finding (or given) A.F. trains. these trains may have been owned by their parents or relatives that have owned these since they were children. Many even love the fact that they still work after 40+years. This excites the collector and repair parts factors in-turn forcing the bid higher on these trains because they do not realize that parts are readily available for repairing most of these engines and they think they are rarer then they actually are. When in actuality some are rarer then others but many are quite common 302 307 312 322. NOW for the last part of your question. THEY DON"T KNOW WE EXIST e.g. this group , train shows, local clubs. parts suppliers. most don't even know what scale or gauge these trains are. I am new to the American Flyer A.C. Gilbert love craze about 3 years I am a collector/operator of both O and S American Flyer. I love these trains especially the history. The thought that a child in the 1940's or 50's, played with the same trains that I play with today especially at Christmas is just aw inspiring. I am 30 and my father is one of those boys and still is today! I just became a member of this group on Saturday Feb 4 2006. enclosed is a pic of my 2005 Christmas display sincerely Bret Sipla (the track man) WEG138@... wrote: As I look at possible purchases on E bay I feel that the prices of American Flyer trains are rising. Dramatically! A lot of the rise in prices is due to increased shipping prices. I am an operator and not a collector so I don't have to bid. Has anyone else observed this ? If there are so many people involved in American Flyer, and S scale why aren't more of them in this group? Thanks! Bill Greaves [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Bring words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with your Yahoo! Mail. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38697	From: Don	Date: 2/8/2006
Subject: Passenger Car success!

Thanks for all of your replies. It's really nice to know there is a place for a neophyte to go for help. The car, as it was, was unusable. So, with nothing to lose, I clamped it to a piece of track to square it up, stuck it in a vise, and used a propane torch to gently heat it. I didn't burn any wires or melt any solder. But...to my delightful surprise...when it cooled off and I unclamped it...it stayed in shape! And now rolls very well! Now, all I have to do is remount the top. DO I FEEL GOOD! I'm getting close to where I'll need some track. Gonna have to get my wife to start cleaning...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38698	From: Gerald Dobbs	Date: 2/8/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2943

For Sale: WINROSS Die cast Ford Truck and Trailer 3/16 scale " 2000 NAPA, 75th Anniversary " new in the box $35.00 + $7.00 postage. Any one i interested, contact me off line Jerry 77-11644

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38699	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 2/8/2006
Subject: The Michael Kolosseus Layout

Yea, seeing Mr. Kolosseus post again just pours gas on my AF disease since we are still not in buying mode. Anyway, about his layout... was a detailed plan ever made of it and made public... such as a RRTrack.com data file? What about a wiring plan? In the TM video it was said that only standard AF items were used... so no toggle switches period? Doing a bit of wiring planning myself right now. For the current layout, inside rail as base post actually works out very well. For starters with 2.75" between the outside ties and the edge of the board, does not leave much room to sneek the wires down w/o meeting the outside support under the table. Then for the figure eight section, which is services via the curve of two switches off of the main, the solid curve rail ends up being the bass post track, so that part has constant base poss, switch in "two train" mode works out perfect for isolation. Starting to lean towards a two cab design, 15B for the main line and a type 7 for the yard and industry passing siding area. A togle switch might be helpful to switch between two cab and one cab mode when a main line train enters the figure eight for a while to clear the main, throw those switches to issolate that train, then use the 15B for the entire layout while switching industries. So, as big has he got his layout... detailed plans sure would have been neat to see how far one could go with creativity. Anyway, if plans are out there, TIA for sending along a link. Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38700	From: Phil K	Date: 2/8/2006
Subject: Re: The Michael Kolosseus Layout

> Yea, seeing Mr. Kolosseus post again just pours gas on my AF disease since we are still not in buying mode.< The TM American Flyer videos certainly helped make Mr. Kolosseus a household name among collectors, as they have done for Bruce Lorence, a member of our own Chicagoland S-Gaugers club. While Mr. Kolosseus is a member of this board, speaking for myself I wish an *expert* like him would contribute more than simply advertising his trains for sale here [I did a search]. I'm sure if you get a copy of the video you can get a reasonable approximation of the Kolosseus layout. You can freelance the wiring, as from my own copy of the video it looks like he has several different loops along with a yard area. I don't see anything overly complicated there -- besides the overall magnitude of the thing. He does have a 90 crossing that is controlled by semaphores. Good luck, Phil K ******************************************************************* --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Lueck" <pianoman@...> wrote: > > Yea, seeing Mr. Kolosseus post again just pours gas on my AF disease since we > are still not in buying mode. > > Anyway, about his layout... was a detailed plan ever made of it and made > public... such as a RRTrack.com data file? > > What about a wiring plan? In the TM video it was said that only standard AF > items were used... so no toggle switches period? > > Doing a bit of wiring planning myself right now. For the current layout, inside > rail as base post actually works out very well. For starters with 2.75" between > the outside ties and the edge of the board, does not leave much room to sneek > the wires down w/o meeting the outside support under the table. Then for the > figure eight section, which is services via the curve of two switches off of > the main, the solid curve rail ends up being the bass post track, so that part > has constant base poss, switch in "two train" mode works out perfect for > isolation. > > Starting to lean towards a two cab design, 15B for the main line and a type 7 > for the yard and industry passing siding area. A togle switch might be helpful > to switch between two cab and one cab mode when a main line train enters the > figure eight for a while to clear the main, throw those switches to issolate > that train, then use the 15B for the entire layout while switching industries. > > So, as big has he got his layout... detailed plans sure would have been neat to > see how far one could go with creativity. Anyway, if plans are out there, TIA > for sending along a link. > > Michael >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38701	From: lember2004	Date: 2/9/2006
Subject: Re: The Michael Kolosseus Layout

Mike Kolosseus's layout has been written about in a number of illustrated articles. For example, it was the cover feature of the June, 1991 issue of Classic Toy Trains. That article includes a track diagram, many color photos, and layout descriptions. Other articles, including several written by Mike that go into detail of how his layout was organized and operated, appeared in such magazines as Train Collectors Quarterly and S-Gaugian. Tracking down copies of these could be very worthwhile. (There may not be much on the internet about his layout because the layout predated the wide use of the web and Mike dismantled the layout years ago.) By thw way, I have gotten to know Mike over the past year as a result of him selling his vast collection, and he is a gentleman of high integrity. Mark --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Lueck" <pianoman@...> wrote: > > Yea, seeing Mr. Kolosseus post again just pours gas on my AF disease since we > are still not in buying mode. > > Anyway, about his layout... was a detailed plan ever made of it and made > public... such as a RRTrack.com data file? > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38702	From: winchester54947	Date: 2/9/2006
Subject: disinfecting toys

>Jenni Sipla wrote: love these trains especially the history. The thought that a child in the 1940's or 50's, played with the same trains that I play with today especially at Christmas is just aw inspiring. I was thinking (dangerous pastime for me) that there mighy be some nasty pathogens lurking in the built up crud in the recesses on the trains used as toys, I wouldn't want my grandson getting polio. Any thoughts? I'm also having a bit of a time getting some LC loosened. I went to the early message archives and found some tips without success. Can I soak the LC truck in soapy solution, rubbing alcohol, or ... maybe 10% bleach after thinking some about scarlet fever. ;-)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38703	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 2/9/2006
Subject: Re: disinfecting toys

You sound like my wife. I did not know there could be two people so hung up on germs. Just enjoy the trains and relax. On Feb 9, 2006, at 3:00 AM, winchester54947 wrote: >> Jenni Sipla wrote: love these trains especially the history. The > thought that a child in the 1940's or 50's, played with the same > trains > that I play with today especially at Christmas is just aw inspiring. > > I was thinking (dangerous pastime for me) that there mighy be some > nasty pathogens lurking in the built up crud in the recesses on the > trains used as toys, I wouldn't want my grandson getting polio. Any > thoughts? > > I'm also having a bit of a time getting some LC loosened. I went to > the > early message archives and found some tips without success. Can I soak > the LC truck in soapy solution, rubbing alcohol, or ... maybe 10% > bleach after thinking some about scarlet fever. ;-) > Thank you Larry Jackman ljack70117@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38704	From: Roy Inman	Date: 2/9/2006
Subject: Re: disinfecting toys

Make that three people who have thought about it. Although I would not describe my interest as "hung up," it has crossed my mind that there is all sorts of stuff in the cracks and crevices of those old toys, whether they be trains, dolls, Erector sets, tools, guns, etc., etc. My only contribution to the thread is based on a long-ago course in micro-biology, wherein I seem to recall that most germs, if left in a non-nurturing environment (no food, no water, and, depending upon how the germ works, with or without air) for certain periods of time, eventually lose their virility and/or just die. While it is true that astronauts found barely live cold germs on the moon between landings, we don't know if they have survived until today since we haven't been back since December of 1972. My guess is that most of that crud we see on the underside creases of cars, in crevices on steam engines, etc., etc., is just that: dirty, more-or-less harmless, crud. While I wouldn't advise eating it, IMHO now, it is no more "dangerous" than picking up any other object, and probably less so than say a glass of water that someone else has drunk from. Most germs are spread from person to person via the aforementioned nurturing environment. Fresh new germs are lots better at infecting folks than dried up old ones. Again, IMHO :) Roy Inman > From: ljack70117@... > Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2006 08:29:40 -0500 > To: winchester54947 <winchester54947@...> > Cc: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] disinfecting toys > > You sound like my wife. I did not know there could be two people so > hung up on germs. Just enjoy the trains and relax. > On Feb 9, 2006, at 3:00 AM, winchester54947 wrote: > >>> Jenni Sipla wrote: love these trains especially the history. The >> thought that a child in the 1940's or 50's, played with the same >> trains >> that I play with today especially at Christmas is just aw inspiring. >> >> I was thinking (dangerous pastime for me) that there mighy be some >> nasty pathogens lurking in the built up crud in the recesses on the >> trains used as toys, I wouldn't want my grandson getting polio. Any >> thoughts? >> >> I'm also having a bit of a time getting some LC loosened. I went to >> the >> early message archives and found some tips without success. Can I soak >> the LC truck in soapy solution, rubbing alcohol, or ... maybe 10% >> bleach after thinking some about scarlet fever. ;-) >> > > Thank you > Larry Jackman > ljack70117@... > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38705	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 2/9/2006
Subject: Re: disinfecting toys

You get more germs putting your shoes on in the morning than you can with old toys. The best thing you can do for your babies is to let them crawl on the floor as it will build their white cell system. My wife never let her children play on the floor and they have been sick all their life. If you drop a piece of candy on the floor pick it up, wipe it off and eat it. Remember the 5 second rule. and for chocolates there is an amendment. On Feb 9, 2006, at 10:06 AM, Roy Inman wrote: > Make that three people who have thought about it. Although I would not > describe my interest as "hung up," it has crossed my mind that > there is all > sorts of stuff in the cracks and crevices of those old toys, > whether they be > trains, dolls, Erector sets, tools, guns, etc., etc. My only > contribution to > the thread is based on a long-ago course in micro-biology, wherein > I seem to > recall that most germs, if left in a non-nurturing environment (no > food, no >> >> Thank you >> Larry Jackman >> ljack70117@... >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com >> All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! >> >> Enjoy thousands of great photos >> at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail >> Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > Thank you Larry Jackman ljack70117@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38706	From: G C	Date: 2/9/2006
Subject: Re: disinfecting toys

Well put Roy, I have spent many years working in research on various viral agents. As you put it all most none will survive in a dehydrated state. Most require transfer by excahnge of some body fluid such as blood, saliva a sneeze, etc.Polio,which I myself was a victim of in 1946, is certainly one that involves an aqeous transfer. Thanks to God and Drs. Salk and Sabin, we don't have to worry much about it these days. More important here is what might happen if one were to be cut on something (I'm thinking Tetanus Toxin here,) That is probbably true of working on any old rusty item. That is easily dealt with as we should all keep the shots for it updated as it is just too easy to step on something while walking or working in one's yard. The only other thing I can think of that could create a problem would be some sort of black mold; that of course is usually very evident visually. All in all I think we can all pretty much just enjoy our trains. Hope this is helpful! Gene Cimino. --------------------------------- Bring words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with your Yahoo! Mail. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38707	From: Don	Date: 2/9/2006
Subject: Soldering

Ok....neophyte here again. I was cleaning a lighted caboose and noticed one of the stranded wires was just hanging on to the wheel rivet by a single strand. When I tried to resolder it I couldn't get it to stick. I cleaned the stud with gas, alcohol, and emory cloth. I used rosin core solder with flux. Any ideas? I have some acid core solder but it shouldn't be used on wire, should it? Any ideas would be appreciated.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38708	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 2/9/2006
Subject: Re: Soldering

On Feb 9, 2006, at 12:03 PM, Don wrote: > Ok....neophyte here again. I was cleaning a lighted caboose and > noticed one of the stranded wires was just hanging on to the wheel > rivet by a single strand. When I tried to resolder it I couldn't get > it to stick. I cleaned the stud with gas, alcohol, and emory cloth. I > used rosin core solder with flux. Any ideas? I have some acid core > solder but it shouldn't be used on wire, should it? > Any ideas would be appreciated. If you use acid core, use baking soda in water after you are finished to neutralize the acid Thank you Larry Jackman ljack70117@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38709	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 2/9/2006
Subject: Re: disinfecting toys

I was always taught Black mold is dead mold. Live mold is white or lite colors. On Feb 9, 2006, at 11:02 AM, G C wrote: > > The only other thing I can think of that could create a problem > would be some sort of black mold; that of course is usually very > evident visually. All in all I think we can all pretty much just > enjoy our trains. Hope this is helpful! > > Gene Cimino. Thank you Larry Jackman ljack70117@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38710	From: manderman	Date: 2/9/2006
Subject: Re: Soldering

Don, You cleaned the stud well but did you trim the wire back a little and clean the strands. I have had this problem at times and it always seems to be it wire not the rivet. Wipe the wire strands aggressively fine steel wool or a Scotch Brite pad. The copper oxidizes over time too. I always "tin' the wire before trying to reattach also. That simply means get a small amount of solder to "flow" on the wire first. I find a small dab of paste flux helps greatly also. Good luck Mark Ok....neophyte here again. I was cleaning a lighted caboose and noticed one of the stranded wires was just hanging on to the wheel rivet by a single strand. When I tried to resolder it I couldn't get it to stick. I cleaned the stud with gas, alcohol, and emory cloth. I used rosin core solder with flux. Any ideas? I have some acid core solder but it shouldn't be used on wire, should it? Any ideas would be appreciated. S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38711	From: Roy Inman	Date: 2/9/2006
Subject: Re: disinfecting toys

My brother-in-law in Texas has had that awful black mold in his garage. Apparently it makes people sicker than dogs and takes professional help to get rid of the stuff. I understand it is a real problem in some southern states, especially but not exclusively. Roy I > From: ljack70117@... > Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2006 12:16:49 -0500 > To: G C <ecphora123@...> > Cc: Roy Inman <rinphoto@...>, winchester54947 > <winchester54947@...>, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] disinfecting toys > > I was always taught Black mold is dead mold. Live mold is white or > lite colors. > On Feb 9, 2006, at 11:02 AM, G C wrote: > >> >> The only other thing I can think of that could create a problem >> would be some sort of black mold; that of course is usually very >> evident visually. All in all I think we can all pretty much just >> enjoy our trains. Hope this is helpful! >> >> Gene Cimino. > > Thank you > Larry Jackman > ljack70117@... > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38712	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 2/9/2006
Subject: Re: disinfecting toys

The "mold" on link couplers and wheels on Flyer isn't mold at all-it's the mold release (lard WAS one ingredient), and it seems to permeate the black plastic of the period, and leaches out over time. Murphy's Oil Soap works very well to remove it and doesn't harm anything. I've also used charcoal starter and Ronsonol with good results and no damage.-John Marganski --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38713	From: Dave W	Date: 2/9/2006
Subject: Re: Motor frustrations - reverser

Since my motor problems seemed to be sudden lack of motion after a stop /reverse, I started concentrating on the reverser. Continuity was still good at all the fingers,even with poking around. Then every once in a while, none. It seems one reverse finger (Top right if looking from headlight to cab)didn't quite make the circuit. The finger looked kinda baked and didn't make continuous contact even when scraped to shiny. It was also very slightly loose in the fiberboard mount, and every once in a while would move enough to break contact. I assume some massive shorting of power had cooked the area in the distant past. Hope this helps anyone with a similar curse, and 1000 thanks again to everyone. Dave W

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38714	From: firex43	Date: 2/9/2006
Subject: 21140 Running Speeds

Hello Group Members, My request is to receive info as to why my 21140 will run faster in reverse than in forward direction. I don't know if the brush & spring diagnosis that can occur with end brush units applies in this case with side mounted brushes. Any and all info is greatly appreciated. Thank you in advance. John Keating

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38715	From: mlmarmer	Date: 2/9/2006
Subject: Historic Night!

Tonight was the first time I actually ran a train on a 12 foot by 8 foot track since 1993! Woo Hoo! I had a floor layout, as that was taken down, in 1993, as some work on the basement was done to push a wall four feet to make this room bigger and have my shelving made for my collectable AF. So, my train buying since 1993 was mainly collectable AF, as now it is time to start the layout. It was pretty neat to see one of my AF steam engines run and smoke up the basement, LOL. Then I ran my C&O Lionel AF passenger set I got in 1992, that promptly died on me, in 1992, as Lionel had problems with those engines. I got the engine repaired in 92 under warranty. It was neat to see it run with the four lighted passenger cars. And the couplers did not separate, like they were noted to do. Another Lionel problem. And of course, I had to turn the lights out, to see the passenger cars and engine light up. Sadly, my link cleaned passenger cars, did not do too well, as I need to convert those links over to knuckle. They are sticky, as I cleaned them, but they didn't want to stay connected. I am basically ready to make the table for the 12 x 8 foot layout, as I think some switches I need, will be available soon. So I pulled out my ton of old AF track, just to get some layout ideas. I even got my wife, Linda, down to see the running of the trains, as she is on crutches after having major foot surgery 2 weeks ago. She was pretty excited to see the running of the trains too, as she would like to see the layout started too. Linda did like how the link passenger cars looked on the track, since they have a older feel to them, being Aluminum and very shiny now with that Mag Wheel polish I used on them. I think it did her some good to see the trains, as it has been a rough two weeks for her. Progress after 13 years! Mike Marmer

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38716	From: Bruce D. Willis	Date: 2/9/2006
Subject: Black mold?

Do you mean mildew? - Bruce

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38717	From: ED WHELAN	Date: 2/9/2006
Subject: Re: Historic Night!

Mike, God Bless. Sounds as if this is a first time experience for you. If so, welcome to the marvelous and wondrous experience that some of us 60+ year olds had some 50 years ago. I was very happy to learn in a recent post that some 30 year olds have taken up the hobby of their Fathers. Long live the American Flyer tradition. Ed W. Pittsburgh, PA ----- Original Message ----- From: "mlmarmer" <mlmarmer@...> To: "Toy Trains" <toytrains@yahoogroups.com>; "TCA Members" <TCA_members_group@yahoogroups.com>; <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; "Ralph Loveless" <RalCor888@...>; "cookie flannery" <cookster1030@...>; "Jeff Snell" <jsnell5990@...> Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 9:34 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Historic Night! > Tonight was the first time I actually ran a train on a 12 foot by 8 foot > track since 1993! Woo Hoo! > > I had a floor layout, as that was taken down, in 1993, as some work on > the > basement was done to push a wall four feet to make this room bigger and > have > my shelving made for my collectable AF. So, my train buying since 1993 > was > mainly collectable AF, as now it is time to start the layout. > > It was pretty neat to see one of my AF steam engines run and smoke up the > basement, LOL. Then I ran my C&O Lionel AF passenger set I got in 1992, > that promptly died on me, in 1992, as Lionel had problems with those > engines. I got the engine repaired in 92 under warranty. > > It was neat to see it run with the four lighted passenger cars. And the > couplers did not separate, like they were noted to do. Another Lionel > problem. And of course, I had to turn the lights out, to see the > passenger > cars and engine light up. > > Sadly, my link cleaned passenger cars, did not do too well, as I need to > convert those links over to knuckle. They are sticky, as I cleaned them, > but they didn't want to stay connected. > > I am basically ready to make the table for the 12 x 8 foot layout, as I > think some switches I need, will be available soon. So I pulled out my > ton > of old AF track, just to get some layout ideas. > > I even got my wife, Linda, down to see the running of the trains, as she > is > on crutches after having major foot surgery 2 weeks ago. She was pretty > excited to see the running of the trains too, as she would like to see the > layout started too. Linda did like how the link passenger cars looked on > the track, since they have a older feel to them, being Aluminum and very > shiny now with that Mag Wheel polish I used on them. I think it did her > some good to see the trains, as it has been a rough two weeks for her. > > Progress after 13 years! > > Mike Marmer > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38718	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 2/9/2006
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] disinfecting toys

A hair dryer removes this also...Fred In a message dated 2/9/2006 5:15:37 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, druvnik@... writes: The "mold" on link couplers and wheels on Flyer isn't mold at all-it's the mold release (lard WAS one ingredient), and it seems to permeate the black plastic of the period, and leaches out over time. Murphy's Oil Soap works very well to remove it and doesn't harm anything. I've also used charcoal starter and Ronsonol with good results and no damage.-John Marganski [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38719	From: RUSSELL RAWLING	Date: 2/9/2006
Subject: More than you want to know about "Germs" and toy trains

I've worked as a clinical microbiologist for over 30 years and am currently a manager of a clinical microbiology lab whose staff of 46 works with the critters 24/7; don't worry about contracting anything, but an infectious love of S Gauge trains. With the exception of a fairly remote chance of contracting tetanus from a punture wound as previously mentioned (get that booster shot every 10 years) you have much more to worry about every time you venture out amongst those mall shoppers or eat a burger that's been sitting under the heat-lamps way too long. The black mold, Stachybotrys chartarum, is only a potential problem when it takes over walls or ceilings due to dampness such as after flooding/major leaks and you are exposed to the toxin it produces in the air for extended periods of time. Well, that's way too much about my other passion, back to running S gauge trains. Russ Rawling rrawling@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38720	From: Jenni Sipla	Date: 2/10/2006
Subject: Re: Soldering

I have had a problem with long heat time to get the solder to puddle. Make sure that it is more like a liquid state and not like a paste or it won't hold. also try tinning the wire dip the wire into a flux and then heat the wire and hit ti with fresh solder that will usually do the trick. bret ljack70117@... wrote: On Feb 9, 2006, at 12:03 PM, Don wrote: > Ok....neophyte here again. I was cleaning a lighted caboose and > noticed one of the stranded wires was just hanging on to the wheel > rivet by a single strand. When I tried to resolder it I couldn't get > it to stick. I cleaned the stud with gas, alcohol, and emory cloth. I > used rosin core solder with flux. Any ideas? I have some acid core > solder but it shouldn't be used on wire, should it? > Any ideas would be appreciated. If you use acid core, use baking soda in water after you are finished to neutralize the acid Thank you Larry Jackman ljack70117@... S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38721	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/10/2006
Subject: Re: Historic Night!

**((Sadly, my link cleaned passenger cars, did not do too well, as I need to convert those links over to knuckle. They are sticky, as I cleaned them, but they didn't want to stay connected.))** Good for you Mike!!!! Regarding the link couplers, I have a problem occasionally with them, sometimes just a slight bend or two can correct the problem. IMHO, and others, ....the passenger cars look better with link couplers because they couple closer together. What did ya mean about "sticky" ? Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38722	From: Jenni Sipla	Date: 2/10/2006
Subject: Re: 21140 Running Speeds

you can try reversing your track power. I had a 21160 that did the same thing i cleaned it many times and then tried the wire reversal and it worked. just a thought firex43 <john_keating@...> wrote: Hello Group Members, My request is to receive info as to why my 21140 will run faster in reverse than in forward direction. I don't know if the brush & spring diagnosis that can occur with end brush units applies in this case with side mounted brushes. Any and all info is greatly appreciated. Thank you in advance. John Keating S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Yahoo! Autos. Looking for a sweet ride? Get pricing, reviews, & more on new and used cars. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38723	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/10/2006
Subject: Re: disinfecting toys

***((((The "mold" on link couplers and wheels on Flyer isn't mold at all-it's the mold release (lard WAS one ingredient), and it seems to permeate the black plastic of the period, and leaches out over time. ))))***** Yep, I too, have used the old hairdryer trick and it cleaned them up, as well as loosened-up the sticky ones. Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38724	From: Roy Inman	Date: 2/10/2006
Subject: Re: Black mold?

Far more sinister than that. I don't know the correct technical definition of the stuff, but it was called the "black mold" when it first came to national attention a few years back. Really, really mean stuff. > From: "Bruce D. Willis" <willisbd@...> > Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 03:33:29 +0000 > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] Black mold? > > Do you mean mildew? > - Bruce > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38725	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 2/10/2006
Subject: Re: Soldering, and disinfecting

Whoa, Don-don't use gasoline to clean up for soldering-it usually has enough "grease" to foul the area treated. Acetone or MEK are much better-just be diligent in using them, and use a soft natural hair brush to apply-Q-tips just don't make it. I can't recall the brand name, but I've been using a thin, multi-core solder that's FAA and NASA approved. It's made in the UK and has just amazing flowability. Your iron may be wattage-challenged, too-but when stepping up the wattage, learn about using heat sinks-usually alligator clips-to prevent heat damage to adjacent areas. More about the germ/mold threat-I'm into Standard gage and O because I love the pre-war stuff (and have a little pre-prewar, too) and I've got a set that I know comes from a household that lost 2 children to Spanish Flu (I had a bird, its name was Enza. I opened up the window, and in flew Enza) and me and mine are still here. Old basement stuff that's fouled with cat, rat, mouse urine (when it's cat, you sure know it-fresh or not!) and cleaned or restored them as per normal (Ivory liquid and distilled water, followed with a 120degree bake) and I've never been ill following the contact. I won't poo-poo the infectiousness fears, but I do feel that it's of little importance-john Marganski --------------------------------- Yahoo! Autos. Looking for a sweet ride? Get pricing, reviews, & more on new and used cars. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38726	From: John	Date: 2/10/2006
Subject: Re: 21140 Running Speeds

I remember reading about this problem in one of the Roundhouse articles. I will have to do some research, but will post the findings when I find it. John Simms San Bernardino

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38727	From: tomminil@aol.com	Date: 2/10/2006
Subject: Re: More than you want to know about "Germs" and toy trains

Thank you Russ!!!! I feel much safer now!!! Tom [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38728	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/10/2006
Subject: Disinfecting & soldering

My concern with disinfecting my trains is getting rid of smoke oders from trains I purchase that obviously lived in a smoker's enviroment. I have a set of NP Flyonel cars that I have to replace the windows because the white plastic has yellowed from smoke, and won't wash out! Soldering to truck rivets can be tricky, especially some of the reproduction ones. I have had real trouble with some of them, to the point that I now tin them before using them. Apparently the plating used is not compatible with modern solder (solder has changed lately, removing the lead portion). I only use acid flux on the rivets themselves, and clean them w/ baking soda afterwards. I never use it on the wire, as the strands wick the flux up farther than you can clean it, and eventually it eats up the wire. Rosin core should work just fine on wire--and on copper/brass & copper plated rivits too! S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38729	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/10/2006
Subject: Re: What I've been up to--front page news!

Ahhhhhhh.....I get the connection now. David Dewey = Antique Tool :^) Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38730	From: Art Shifrin	Date: 2/10/2006
Subject: wallpaper

I just returned from visiting a local paint & wall covering store. Other than a border, they have NOTHING that's train related for a wall covering, even an infantile appearing train pattern. I'd like to do something on the walls and top of the stairwell the connects my playpen with the rest of the universe. Do any of you know of anything that already exists as a product? I've thought about creating a montage of old catalog pages. However, I presume that each would be have to be mounted on some kind of backing (such as posters bonded to canvas) before they could be glued to the structural surfaces. That could be tedious, complicated, costly, et. al. I'm NOT looking for scenery panoramas, but images of toy, model or prototypical trains. Best, Shiffy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38731	From: rkuepper	Date: 2/10/2006
Subject: Re: wallpaper

Here's a few I found on a quick Yahoo search. There were many more. I just used advanced search with wallpaper and (train or railroad or engine). http://www.pi2chim.com/mist.htm http://search.ebay.com/wallpaper-train-borders_W0QQfkrZ1QQfnuZ1 http://www.spectaculartoys.com/Catalog/Character_Bedding/character_bedding.h tml Dick Kuepper Aurora, OH -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Art Shifrin Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 3:08 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] wallpaper I just returned from visiting a local paint & wall covering store. Other than a border, they have NOTHING that's train related for a wall covering, even an infantile appearing train pattern. I'd like to do something on the walls and top of the stairwell the connects my playpen with the rest of the universe. Do any of you know of anything that already exists as a product? I've thought about creating a montage of old catalog pages. However, I presume that each would be have to be mounted on some kind of backing (such as posters bonded to canvas) before they could be glued to the structural surfaces. That could be tedious, complicated, costly, et. al. I'm NOT looking for scenery panoramas, but images of toy, model or prototypical trains. Best, Shiffy S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38732	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/10/2006
Subject: Subject: Re: What I've been up to--front page news!

OK, Everyone is going to wonder what Rick's posting was about. I sent him (and some of my other "buddies" a link to a newspaper article so's they'd all know what I've been doing lately. Here 'tis: http://www.orovillemr.com/news/ci_3493863 Besides the museum work, I've also been trying to manage the Oroville State Theater Performing Arts Center. speeking of which, although this is supposed to be a day off, I just got a phone call and have to go in to take care of some loose ends. Ah Well, at least I had some time to clear some of the winter undergrowth (trying to get ready for summer with a good firebreak around the place). S' David PS Hard to get time to play trains with all this other stuff going on! At least I'll get to the Sacrmento Train show tomorrow.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38733	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 2/10/2006
Subject: REALLY STUPID SHIPPING

Well it finally happened......... REALLY STUPID DEAL..... SHIPPING........ See link for what I bought..... These clowns wrote with black felt pen thier stock no all over the label and box...... taped up some inter otems...... then applied thier tape, postage, mailing label, etc all over the ORIGINAL BOX....... They have no concept of value...... a 9 box dropped to a -1..... I and all others know the value of things ..... i always pack the boxes into another box with packing and care..... Look at the label in the pic...... now envision 490 in black written in big sloppy letters across it..... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1,1&item=6032589184&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWN%3AIT What feed back would you leave....... is there a neg - Bob BTW,,,,,, Got 2 other sets this past week........ both well packed and Happy with the boxes..... 4803a and 4730a

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38734	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 2/10/2006
Subject: Re: wallpaper

Try this site, _http://www.usawallpaper.com/trains.html_ (http://www.usawallpaper.com/trains.html) Harwood [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38735	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 2/10/2006
Subject: Re: REALLY STUPID SHIPPING

Bob, that's a bummer. There are some real idiots out there. It looks like a beautiful set. Are you going to keep it or send it back or get some kind of rebate. Sounds like a negative feedback. Harwood [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38736	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 2/10/2006
Subject: Re: REALLY STUPID SHIPPING

I am going to keep it..... the engine is the best I have seen in a long time..... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: HOwingsiii@... To: rcon7@... ; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 6:09 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] REALLY STUPID SHIPPING Bob, that's a bummer. There are some real idiots out there. It looks like a beautiful set. Are you going to keep it or send it back or get some kind of rebate. Sounds like a negative feedback. Harwood [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38737	From: Phil K	Date: 2/10/2006
Subject: Re: REALLY STUPID SHIPPING

Bob -- Having spent many hours rehabilitating and restoring original Flyer set boxes suffering from careless neglect and/or the ravages of plastic/duct tape etc., I feel your pain. Here's what they claim on the auction page: "Items are prepared for shipment in our store, and include first-quality materials and professional packing services." Regarding your 50T set, getting that kind of thoughtless "shipping" from someone who allegedly is an experienced eBay seller is a crime punishable by having one's kneecaps shot off. They need at the very least to rebate part of the selling price or face negative feedback. Jeez, what were they thinking? Phil K ******************************************************************** --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "ROBERT ALLEN CONNER" <rcon7@...> wrote: > > Well it finally happened......... REALLY STUPID DEAL..... SHIPPING........ > See link for what I bought..... > These clowns wrote with black felt pen thier stock no all over the label and > box...... taped up some inter otems...... then applied thier tape, postage, > mailing label, etc all over the ORIGINAL BOX....... They have no concept of > value...... a 9 box dropped to a -1..... > I and all others know the value of things ..... i always pack the boxes > into another box with packing and care..... Look at the label in the > pic...... now envision 490 in black written in big sloppy letters across > it..... > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ViewItem&rd==1,1&item=`32589184&sspagename==STRK%3AMEWN%3AIT > > What feed back would you leave....... is there a neg - > > Bob > > BTW,,,,,, Got 2 other sets this past week........ both well packed and Happy > with the boxes..... 4803a and 4730a >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38738	From: mlmarmer	Date: 2/10/2006
Subject: Re: Historic Night!

Thanks Ed, as I have run AF trains before, but not since 1993. In the planning stages of seeing what layout I will have, as hopefully, some long awaited switches from Classic Trains will be available in March or April. Mike

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38739	From: mlmarmer	Date: 2/10/2006
Subject: Re: Historic Night!

Rick, Thanks for the information about the link couplers and how much better they look together. 99.5% of my collection is KC, so I have no experience with LC, as I hate to do anything to something original, whether trains or something else. I will take a look at the couplers and metal arm, this weekend, to make sure they are straight. When I say sticky, they seem not to move up and down very well, like there is something holding them from moving. I thought I clean them well enough, but maybe I didn't get them very good. Any suggestions on how to clean them better. Lube them with something? Mike

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38740	From: keefer1	Date: 2/10/2006
Subject: Re: REALLY STUPID SHIPPING

I would have to agree with Phil. Part of your bid was for a collectable box, which you didn't recieve. Those freight sets lose a lot of value without the set box. The dealer should offer compensation, I'll bet he will, and then he'll take it out of the hide of the idiot that packed it. --- Phil K <waldootten@...> wrote: > Bob -- > > Having spent many hours rehabilitating and restoring > original Flyer > set boxes suffering from careless neglect and/or the > ravages of > plastic/duct tape etc., I feel your pain. > > Here's what they claim on the auction page: "Items > are prepared > for shipment in our store, and include first-quality > materials > and professional packing services." > > Regarding your 50T set, getting that kind of > thoughtless "shipping" > from someone who allegedly is an experienced eBay > seller is a crime > punishable by having one's kneecaps shot off. > > They need at the very least to rebate part of the > selling price > or face negative feedback. Jeez, what were they > thinking? > > Phil K > > ******************************************************************** > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "ROBERT ALLEN > CONNER" <rcon7@...> > wrote: > > > > Well it finally happened......... REALLY STUPID > DEAL..... > SHIPPING........ > > See link for what I bought..... > > These clowns wrote with black felt pen thier stock > no all over the > label and > > box...... taped up some inter otems...... then > applied thier tape, > postage, > > mailing label, etc all over the ORIGINAL > BOX....... They have no > concept of > > value...... a 9 box dropped to a -1..... > > I and all others know the value of things ..... i > always pack the > boxes > > into another box with packing and care..... Look > at the label in > the > > pic...... now envision 490 in black written in big > sloppy letters > across > > it..... > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? > ViewItem&rd==1,1&item=`32589184&sspagename==STRK%3AMEWN%3AIT > > > > What feed back would you leave....... is there a > neg - > > > > Bob > > > > BTW,,,,,, Got 2 other sets this past week........ > both well packed > and Happy > > with the boxes..... 4803a and 4730a > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38741	From: mlmarmer	Date: 2/10/2006
Subject: Re: REALLY STUPID SHIPPING

Phil, Ouch, that really hurt, the bit about the kneecap, as I just learned I have a cyst on my kneecap today, that have to be cut out. Maybe I can let the seller know all about that! LOL Bob, sorry to read about those boxes. I wish there was something that could be done. At least write to the people and tell them what they did and how that effected the way you bid on them. As for someone so experiene in selling things on Ebay, that was really bad, as any one with common sense on having someone old and collectable would know better. If you are happy with the trains persay, you should write then and ask for a partial refund, base on what you think the value of the boxes where at the time of your bidding. What ever value the boxes had, is now nothing, due to what the seller did, and they should take responsibility for wha they did to the product after you won it, base on the boxes not being marked up at the time of sale. Let us know what you do and what happens. Best of luck. Mike Marmer, with his bum kneecap, PHIL! LOL

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38742	From: Charles E. Smith	Date: 2/10/2006
Subject: Re: Historic Night!

The trick is to clean the gunk out of the links. NEVER oil them. Clean by rinsing out with a little Joy or similar diluted liquid dish detergent. Work links free if you can while they're still wet. They MUST be free enough to fall easily with only their own weight. After you're satisfied with the above, I like to carve about a 5 to 10 rake on the inside of the hook. This tends to keep them locked when running because the rear car has to move closer to the front car to lift the coupler to uncouple the two. I've got a link coupled set of AF heavywights that will make laps all day w/no problems. Chuck Smith, On matters of style swim with the current. On matters of substance stand like a rock. Thos. Jefferson (may be paraphrased) ----- Original Message ----- From: "mlmarmer" <mlmarmer@...> To: "S-Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; "Rick Evans" <bassflyer@...> Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 8:17 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Historic Night! > Rick, > > Thanks for the information about the link couplers and how much better they > look together. > > 99.5% of my collection is KC, so I have no experience with LC, as I hate to > do anything to something original, whether trains or something else. > > I will take a look at the couplers and metal arm, this weekend, to make sure > they are straight. > > When I say sticky, they seem not to move up and down very well, like there > is something holding them from moving. I thought I clean them well enough, > but maybe I didn't get them very good. Any suggestions on how to clean them > better. Lube them with something? > > Mike > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38743	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/10/2006
Subject: : Re: What I've been up to--front page news!

****((((OK, Everyone is going to wonder what Rick's posting was about. I sent him (and some of my other "buddies" a link to a newspaper article so's they'd all know what I've been doing lately.)))**** A big OOPS on my part! I thought David's email came through the S-Trains list!! Sorry for the confusion! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38744	From: mlmarmer	Date: 2/10/2006
Subject: Re: Historic Night!

Thanks Chuck, as Steve told me the same, about the oil. Now you guys tell me. LOL No, I think they have been gunk up since 1950! LOL As I got them in 1992 and did nothing with them until this month. But could you explain a bit more about the part about the 5 to 10 on the rake on the inside hook. I think I know what the hook is, but the rake? 5 to 10? Thanks Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles E. Smith" <cesmith@...> To: "S-Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; "Rick Evans" <bassflyer@...>; "mlmarmer" <mlmarmer@...> Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 10:22 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Historic Night! > The trick is to clean the gunk out of the links. NEVER oil them. Clean by > rinsing out with a little Joy or similar diluted liquid dish detergent. > Work links free if you can while they're still wet. They MUST be free > enough to fall easily with only their own weight. > After you're satisfied with the above, I like to carve about a 5 to 10 rake > on the inside of the hook. This tends to keep them locked when running > because the rear car has to move closer to the front car to lift the coupler > to uncouple the two. I've got a link coupled set of AF heavywights that will > make laps all day w/no problems. > Chuck Smith, > On matters of style swim with the current. > On matters of substance stand like a rock. > Thos. Jefferson (may be paraphrased) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "mlmarmer" <mlmarmer@...> > To: "S-Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; "Rick Evans" > <bassflyer@...> > Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 8:17 PM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Historic Night! > > > > Rick, > > > > Thanks for the information about the link couplers and how much better > they > > look together. > > > > 99.5% of my collection is KC, so I have no experience with LC, as I hate > to > > do anything to something original, whether trains or something else. > > > > I will take a look at the couplers and metal arm, this weekend, to make > sure > > they are straight. > > > > When I say sticky, they seem not to move up and down very well, like there > > is something holding them from moving. I thought I clean them well > enough, > > but maybe I didn't get them very good. Any suggestions on how to clean > them > > better. Lube them with something? > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38745	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/10/2006
Subject: Sticky link couplers

***((((When I say sticky, they seem not to move up and down very well, like there is something holding them from moving. I thought I clean them well enough, but maybe I didn't get them very good. Any suggestions on how to clean them better. Lube them with something?))))**** The hair dryer trick should do the trick, it worked on some of mine that were sticky. If I am remembering correctly! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38746	From: Phil K	Date: 2/10/2006
Subject: Link coupler problems

Hi Mike -- Kneecap rearrangements are part of what we call "The Chicago Way." LOL! Try this for "sticky" link couplers: the earlier models were made from a plastic that tended to shrink. That may be why they're tight on the pin and won't drop -- the hole shrunk. NOTE: this must be done VERY CAREFULLY! Take a soldering iron -- relatively LOW heat -- and briefly touch it to the pin while CAREFULLY wiggling the link coupler to allow the warm pin to gently heat the coupler and slightly enlarge the size of the hole. Be even more careful with the early THIN shank link couplers, as too big a hole and they may hang slightly sideways. AC Gilbert knew there were problems in getting the links to stay connected, especially when the track was sitting on carpet -- that's why the company started adding different metal weights to the coupler in an effort to solve the problem. Dave Garrigues of our club once had some tiny black plastic clips (they're shaped like a head-on look at a pair of binoculars) made to hold link couplers connected. They are nearly invisible when in place. I'll ask him if he has any more for sale, and if yes, will print the info here if any people are interested. I think he was selling them for something like 10 for $1.00. They work great if you're running long trains on a layout. Phil K ******************************************************************** --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mlmarmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > Rick, > > Thanks for the information about the link couplers and how much better they > look together. > > 99.5% of my collection is KC, so I have no experience with LC, as I hate to > do anything to something original, whether trains or something else. > > I will take a look at the couplers and metal arm, this weekend, to make sure > they are straight. > > When I say sticky, they seem not to move up and down very well, like there > is something holding them from moving. I thought I clean them well enough, > but maybe I didn't get them very good. Any suggestions on how to clean them > better. Lube them with something? > > Mike >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38747	From: Robert Graves	Date: 2/10/2006
Subject: Removing the white stuff

I haven't had luck with the hair dryer trick. How long does it take, and how hot does it need to be? Maybe I've just been too timid, afraid of damaging the cars. Is it a good idea to remove the car from the frame? Bob --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38748	From: Phil K	Date: 2/10/2006
Subject: eBay record for S stuff

For the first time ever, the number of auctions for S scale stuff on eBay went over the 4,000 mark today and is at 4,415 at 11pm CST. I have been watching the S auctions for years and the total has never been over 3,300. Read into this whatever you will, but it is an interesting stat. "Who says you need a middle rail to have fun?" Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38749	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/11/2006
Subject: Re: Removing the white stuff

***(((I haven't had luck with the hair dryer trick. How long does it take, and how hot does it need to be? Maybe I've just been too timid, afraid of damaging the cars. Is it a good idea to remove the car from the frame?)))**** I can't remember how long it took, I used high heat with the dryer and I'm pretty sure I had the body removed. Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38750	From: Robert Graves	Date: 2/11/2006
Subject: Pictures needed for the Gilbert Gallery

I have found pictures of most of the hopper cars and tank cars but still need a few. If you would like to share a picture of any of the following cars with the world, email them to me: theupstairstrain@... Help me make this a resource for the group. 625 black Shell tanker with silver lettering 625 orange Shell tanker 635 Gulf tanker 24320 Deep Rock Tank Car unnumbered 24329 Hooker Tank Car 24323 Baker Chocolate Tank Car 632 Virginian hopper in the blue-gray color 632 LNE off-white hopper 640 black AF Hopper (not the 640 Wabash) 25025 & 25060 CB&Q Dump Cars If you haven't visited yet, the address is: http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/trains.html Thanks! Bob --------------------------------- Brings words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38751	From: Robert Graves	Date: 2/11/2006
Subject: Cabooses join the Gilbert Gallery

The cabooses page is now essentially complete. http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/cabooses.html All Gilbert cabooses are listed and most have pictures. I still need pictures of the #830, #934, #24610, #25627, #24632, #24638, and #25031. If you have one, could you email me a picture, please? I'd appreciate it. --------------------------------- What are the most popular cars? Find out at Yahoo! Autos [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38752	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 2/11/2006
Subject: Re: eBay record for S stuff

AS my buddie Tom says, they just don't want to be the Last one holding!!!!!!! Jim Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38753	From: ecphora123	Date: 2/11/2006
Subject: Art Curren Plasticville Article

CTT had an Art Curren article where he kitbashed two Plasticville hospital kits into an industrial structure. Sorry, but I don't know the specific issue. I believe it was in the late 90's. Anyway, does anyone know what issue and page number? What was the structure was that he built in the article? I am trying to put together a file of what has been doen with P'ville. Vic Roseman put together a nice Dairy Plant in S using a single hospital kit. I recently saw this in another more current publication. And Oh Yes, I know that most of the articles are probably involving O and not S. Doesn't matter as I just want the ideas put away in my notebooks. Thanks to all, Gene Cimino

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38754	From: T Larson	Date: 2/11/2006
Subject: F Units

Anybody need an A-B locomatic set of SHS NYC F units? Got a GN set to "trade-in"? I might be open to some other trade-in. Tell me what you have. Please reply off list. -- Ted Larson Still using W98SE? See http://groups.msn.com/hardwarejunkies

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38755	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 2/11/2006
Subject: Re: eBay record for S stuff

I did not look at the S-Scale total last night but did look at the "Other Manufacturers" list and observed it had approximately doubled from earlier in the week. So this increase is not all due to American Flyer stuff. ---------------------------------------------- I don't want to take the time to research this on my own but I am curious if there are a few big dealers who flooded the market, and why at this time. ---------------------------------------------- - Earl Henry, Nashville [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38756	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/11/2006
Subject: About that tool museum (non S)

Quite a few folks have been asking me about the tool museum, and offering donations (cool!) There is a website of the "old" museum online still. We are working to transfer it to the city website, but will probably keep the domain, so the site URL should be good then too. Here it 'tis: http://www.boltsantiquetools.com/ Off to the Roseville Train show!!!! S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38757	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/11/2006
Subject: Link couplers & hair dryers

Yep, the coupler plastic shrinks AND the mold release agent leaches out, both causing "sticky coupler syndrome." When I use the hair dryer (when Linda isn't home, or has her head buried in school books) I also use an (OLD) toothbrush (or Linda's he he heh) to brush away the mold release. I also wiggle the link up and down and then plunge it under cold running water--the theory being that the warming and wiggling has stretched the plastic a bit, and the quick quench "locks" it in the stretched position. Sometimes this works, sometimes not--but note that it usually means the car body is off the chassis so I don't ruin it too! S' David D. PS by the nature of the shrinking plastic, I'll bet all our solutions are temporary, maybe a year, mabye ten years??? It also doesn't bode well for the longevity of our collections. . . .(at least the early stuff).

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38758	From: mlmarmer	Date: 2/11/2006
Subject: Re: Removing the white stuff

Just another opinion on what this stuff is from someone on the TTML list and who is a Chemistry professor. **************************************************************** Yes, I have heard before that it was stearic acid (a fatty acid). Pure stearic acid is a white powder that melts around 55 degrees C, just a little higher than hot tap water. I think it functioned as a plasticizer, mixed all through the plastic, as well as mold release agent. Sometimes irreverently called "Flyer rot". Lionel was not immune either. The flexible men on Lionel's hand car, circa 1961, were notorioius because plasticizer would seep out of the men and melt the handcar. ************************************************************** Mike Marmer

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38759	From: mlmarmer	Date: 2/11/2006
Subject: Re: Link coupler problems

Phil, Thanks, as I have been to Chicago once in 1981 for the food show at McCormick Place in May. Neat city, as I want to get back to see the Cubs or White Sox play. Thanks for the tip on the LC, as I have gotten many tips. Thanks to all. If you could ask Dave about those clips, that would be very kind of you. Go Cubs Go, as Steve Goodman is still waiting for the Cubs to win in heaven. And I just learn the story on Billy the Goat on a new CD by Chuck Brodsky! Where is Tom Jarcho when you need him for LC's and baseball. RIP, Tom, we miss you! Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phil K" <waldootten@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 11:39 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Link coupler problems > Hi Mike -- > > Kneecap rearrangements are part of what we call "The Chicago Way." > LOL! > > Try this for "sticky" link couplers: the earlier models were made > from a plastic that tended to shrink. That may be why they're tight > on the pin and won't drop -- the hole shrunk. NOTE: this must be > done VERY CAREFULLY! Take a soldering iron -- relatively LOW heat -- > and briefly touch it to the pin while CAREFULLY wiggling the link > coupler to allow the warm pin to gently heat the coupler and > slightly enlarge the size of the hole. Be even more careful with the > early THIN shank link couplers, as too big a hole and they may hang > slightly sideways. > > AC Gilbert knew there were problems in getting the links to stay > connected, especially when the track was sitting on carpet -- that's > why the company started adding different metal weights to the > coupler in an effort to solve the problem. > > Dave Garrigues of our club once had some tiny black plastic clips > (they're shaped like a head-on look at a pair of binoculars) made to > hold link couplers connected. They are nearly invisible when in > place. I'll ask him if he has any more for sale, and if yes, will > print the info here if any people are interested. I think he was > selling them for something like 10 for $1.00. They work great if > you're running long trains on a layout. > > Phil K > > ******************************************************************** > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mlmarmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > > > Rick, > > > > Thanks for the information about the link couplers and how much > better they > > look together. > > > > 99.5% of my collection is KC, so I have no experience with LC, as > I hate to > > do anything to something original, whether trains or something > else. > > > > I will take a look at the couplers and metal arm, this weekend, to > make sure > > they are straight. > > > > When I say sticky, they seem not to move up and down very well, > like there > > is something holding them from moving. I thought I clean them > well enough, > > but maybe I didn't get them very good. Any suggestions on how to > clean them > > better. Lube them with something? > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38760	From: muniman18	Date: 2/11/2006
Subject: ballast template

HI everyone question.. is there a template out there for laying ballast in S i know there is one for HO. its the one that fits on the rails and you just drag it to get the ballast down and on the sides MIKE

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38761	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/11/2006
Subject: Re: Pictures needed for the Gilbert Gallery

**(( 635 Gulf tanker))** I'm assuming you mean a 625 Gulf tanker. :^) Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38762	From: Robert Graves	Date: 2/11/2006
Subject: Re: Pictures needed for the Gilbert Gallery

An anonymous donor has just sent me pictures of all these cars except the 632 Virginian hopper in the blue-gray color. Does anyone have one of those? Also, he said that the #25031 Operating Brakeman Caboose listed in the TM Guide was never made. Can anyone confirm or refute that? Is the Guide wrong? Does anyone have a picture? Thanks! Bob Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> wrote: I have found pictures of most of the hopper cars and tank cars but still need a few. If you would like to share a picture of any of the following cars with the world, email them to me: theupstairstrain@... Help me make this a resource for the group. 625 black Shell tanker with silver lettering 625 orange Shell tanker 635 Gulf tanker 24320 Deep Rock Tank Car unnumbered 24329 Hooker Tank Car 24323 Baker Chocolate Tank Car 632 Virginian hopper in the blue-gray color 632 LNE off-white hopper 640 black AF Hopper (not the 640 Wabash) 25025 & 25060 CB&Q Dump Cars If you haven't visited yet, the address is: http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/trains.html Thanks! Bob --------------------------------- Brings words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Relax. Yahoo! Mail virus scanning helps detect nasty viruses! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38763	From: Phil K	Date: 2/11/2006
Subject: Link to S scale list on eBay

I have had several offline requests for the eBay category that contains over 4,400 S scale items. Here is the link, you can copy and paste into your browser's favorites categories: http://listings.ebay.com/plistings/list/all/category19143/index.html?fro\ m=R0 <http://listings.ebay.com/plistings/list/all/category19143/index.html?fr\ om=R0> I have mixed emotions over this sudden flood of S scale items. When the list had 1,000 to 1400 items as it did most of the year except just before Christmas, it was fairly easy to view most of the auctions in the week's time they were listed. I don't know if I'll ever have time to scan 4400+ auctions in a week. Phil K [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38764	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 2/11/2006
Subject: Re: ballast template

Once upon a time, not too many years ago, I watched the late Gary Lavinus of NTTM fame cut grooves in a piece of stock about 3/4" X 3/4" X long enough to get cuts for rails and overhang enough to drill a hole for a pencil. He then set the stick on the rails, pencil in the hole and proceeded to drag the apparatus around the layout on the rails (actually Standard Gauge) until he had paint lines for his "ballast". Pretty interesting, obviously inexpensive. Gary is sorely missed by many in TCA. Jim Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38765	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 2/11/2006
Subject: Sunday Chat, 2/12/2006, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 38766	From: Roy Inman	Date: 2/11/2006
Subject: Re: ballast template

Jim, Any way you could post a diagram. Can't quite visualize... Roy Inman > From: WJJIM@... > Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 19:43:48 -0500 (EST) > To: muniman18@..., s-trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] ballast template > > Once upon a time, not too many years ago, I watched the late Gary Lavinus of > NTTM fame cut grooves in a piece of stock about 3/4" X 3/4" X long enough > to get cuts for rails and overhang enough to drill a hole for a pencil. He > then set the stick on the rails, pencil in the hole and proceeded to drag the > apparatus around the layout on the rails (actually Standard Gauge) until he > had paint lines for his "ballast". Pretty interesting, obviously > inexpensive. > Gary is sorely missed by many in TCA. > > Jim Lyle > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38767	From: Art Shifrin	Date: 2/12/2006
Subject: Train wallpaper

Hi Gang, Thank you all for your helpful replies. Sometime I slip back into my pre-internet days & forget to do Google searches. This was not a case of 'what must I be thinking?" It was a case of NOT thinking. The more I think about it, the more I like the idea of a montage of complete pages extracted ("torn from" makes me wince) old catalogs, then coated with shellac or varnish. I'll have to do some experimenting which for this application won't happen soon (too many other tasks & ideas to pursue). That just about covers it.....NYUK NYUK NYUK Shiffy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38768	From: Art Shifrin	Date: 2/12/2006
Subject: link coupler performance and servicing

Hi Gang, Assuming that the 'white stuff' is foreign to the plastic (i.e. mold) the American English term for the white substance on old plastics is exudate, derived from the term exude. It's residue left by components of the plastic 'leeching' out as the material decays over time. To US it's a very discomforting thought, but plastics do continuously deteriorate. When we don't perceive it via our normal senses, it's just that it's not sufficiently severe to detect. By senses I DO mean for than just eyesight. Evidence of exudation can also be detected by touch and smell. It's a widespread disastrous problem with old lacquer coated phonograph record disk masters: imagine a 16" (not a typo) disk covered with the stuff. Mention of the clips that resemble binoculars raise the issue of the pre-S sintered metal links. Because of the differences of the dimensions, I assume that they would not fit. I'm assuming that such clips simply straddle the round weights of two adjoined couplers. I therefore deduce that they don't permit automatic uncoupling. If I'm wrong about this then please correct me. In the pursuit of a solution to this I designed and had some clips made by a machinist. These snap over the link and provide downward thrust that thwarts (there's a tongue teaser: thrust that thwarts) the uncoupling problem. The problem with the prototypes is that they're bent out of tensil steel wire, so they evenutally break off spontaneously. If not conductive that'd be a pain. Being conductive it's utterly unacceptable. So if any of you are in a plastics or metal manufacturing business and would like to discuss collaborating me with on this and other concepts, then please contact me directly. I'm not interested in retailing them & possibly not wholesaling them. I just want to establish a source for myself and other potentially interested users. The prototypes are hand bent on a specifically made jig. This is NOT practical for making any meaningful quantities. If I were to get some kind of fair and reasonable compensation for conceptualizing it then that would be nice. I assume that two versions would be necessary: for the pre-S and S links. I'd like to think that I retain whatever rights I might have to this concept despite making this posting. Best, Shiffy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38769	From: Phil K	Date: 2/12/2006
Subject: Re: link coupler performance and servicing

I have often wondered under just what conditions (heat, temperature extremes, salt air, humidity?) the white mold release agent appears. I have seen it on individual wheels on a truck where the other wheels are not affected. Fortunately, I do not have any cars where it affects the bodies. Why does it seem to appear most often on passenger cars, especially the New Haven variety? I have heard the term "Flyer rot" (aka "zinc rot") used to describe the disintegration of steam locomotive boilers thanks to crappy (impure) metal being tossed into the melting pot at the factory. Anyone who collects pre-war Flyer has seen steam locomotive driving wheels that are slowly turning to dust. The "binocular-shaped" link coupler locks do not loop over the coupler weights. They are thin and flexible. It's been a while, but to employ them I believe you place them between the couplers to be locked, looping the holes over the metal posts and pushing down to lock the coupler hooks on the posts. The locks provide just enough tension to hold the couplers closed, and are hard to see even if you know they're there. They're easy to disengage, too. Phil K ******************************************************************* --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Art Shifrin" <Goldens3@...> wrote: > > > Hi Gang, > > Assuming that the 'white stuff' is foreign to the plastic (i.e. mold) > the American English term for the white substance on old plastics is > exudate, derived from the term exude. It's residue left by components > of the plastic 'leeching' out as the material decays over time. To US > it's a very discomforting thought, but plastics do continuously > deteriorate. When we don't perceive it via our normal senses, it's just > that it's not sufficiently severe to detect. By senses I DO mean for > than just eyesight. Evidence of exudation can also be detected by touch > and smell. It's a widespread disastrous problem with old lacquer coated > phonograph record disk masters: imagine a 16" (not a typo) disk covered > with the stuff. > > Mention of the clips that resemble binoculars raise the issue of the > pre-S sintered metal links. Because of the differences of the > dimensions, I assume that they would not fit. I'm assuming that such > clips simply straddle the > round weights of two adjoined couplers. I therefore deduce that they > don't permit automatic uncoupling. If I'm wrong about this then please > correct me. > > In the pursuit of a solution to this I designed and had some clips made > by a machinist. These snap over the link and provide downward thrust > that thwarts (there's a tongue teaser: thrust that thwarts) the > uncoupling problem. The problem with the prototypes is that they're > bent out of tensil steel wire, so they evenutally break off > spontaneously. If not conductive that'd be a pain. Being conductive > it's utterly unacceptable. So if any of you are in a plastics or metal > manufacturing business and would like to discuss collaborating me with > on this and other concepts, then please contact me directly. I'm not > interested in retailing them & possibly not wholesaling them. I just > want to establish a source for myself and other potentially interested > users. The prototypes are hand bent on a specifically made jig. This is > NOT practical for making any meaningful quantities. If I were to get > some kind of fair and reasonable compensation for conceptualizing it > then that would be nice. I assume that two versions would be necessary: > for the pre-S and S links. > I'd like to think that I retain whatever rights I might have to this > concept despite making this posting. > > Best, > Shiffy >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38770	From: mlmarmer	Date: 2/12/2006
Subject: Fw: Question for item #6034642964 - GILBERT AF FREIGHT BOXED HAWKEY

Re: Question for item #6034642964 - GILBERT AF FREIGHT BOXED HAWKEYE SET NO. 20765/RAREST!I saw this on ebay yesterday, as he or she had two things wrong about it. I wrote nicely to the person and told them what was wrong with the description. He answer me back, nicely and changed the description to what I wrote him. So after my bottle fiasco this month, there are some who really didn't know something and they promptly changed the description. Good for this person and I wish him the best in getting a good return on this item. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: eBay Member: trifluvien To: mlmarmer@... Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 5:53 AM Subject: Re: Question for item #6034642964 - GILBERT AF FREIGHT BOXED HAWKEYE SET NO. 20765/RAREST! eBay sent this message to Michael Marmer (acadia100). Your registered name is included to show this message originated from eBay. Learn more. Response to Question about Item -- Respond Now eBay sent this message on behalf of an eBay member via My Messages. Responses sent using email will go to the eBay member directly and will include your email address. Click the Respond Now button below to send your response via My Messages (your email address will not be included). Response from trifluvien Item: GILBERT AF FREIGHT BOXED HAWKEYE SET NO. 20765/RAREST! (6034642964) This message was sent while the listing was active. trifluvien is the seller. Hi, I received this information from acadia100 and I want everybody to see it to be sure that everybody gets the right information since I really thought that I was correct. Thank you! Trifluvien Respond to this question in My Messages. Item Details Item name: GILBERT AF FREIGHT BOXED HAWKEYE SET NO. 20765/RAREST! Item number: 6034642964 End date: Feb-12-06 10:08:13 PST View item description: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=`34642964&sspagename=%c2%adME:L:RTQ:US:1 Thank you for using eBay! http://www.ebay.com/ Marketplace Safety Tip Always remember to complete your transaction on eBay - it's the safer way to buy. Please do not offer to buy or sell this item through this form without completing the transaction on eBay. If you receive a response inviting you to transact outside of eBay, you should decline -- such transactions may be unsafe and are against eBay policy. Is this email inappropriate? Does it violate eBay policy? Help protect the community by reporting it. This email appears in the language of the eBay site where you are registered. Learn how you can protect yourself from spoof (fake) emails at: http://pages.ebay.com/education/spooftutorial This eBay notice was sent to mlmarmer@... on behalf of another eBay member through the eBay platform and in accordance with our Privacy Policy. If you would like to receive this email in text format, change your notification preferences. See our Privacy Policy and User Agreement if you have questions about eBay's communication policies. Privacy Policy: http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/privacy-policy.html User Agreement: http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/user-agreement.html Copyright © 2006 eBay, Inc. All Rights Reserved. Designated trademarks and brands are the property of their respective owners. eBay and the eBay logo are registered trademarks or trademarks of eBay, Inc. eBay is located at 2145 Hamilton Avenue, San Jose, CA 95125. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38771	From: T Larson	Date: 2/12/2006
Subject: For Sale

This For Sale list is from a friend who is thinning out his S to concentrate on AF and G gauge. If you want to contact him by e-mail, reply to me and I will forward your note. *S Scale List * *Tom Kayser – <mailto:tkayser@...>Phone 585-248-5418* * * *S-Helper Service* *NYC Freight F3 A&B units with Locomatic Sound - $235.* ***S Helper Freight cars –$20. each – high rail couplers/wheels* *LV* 40’ wood reefer, white *P&LE (NYC) 40’ steel box, teal green* *CCC&SL (NYC) 40’ stock car, brown* *MCRR (NYC) 40’ wood outside braced box* *NYC 40’ woodside box, brown* *NYC 50’ covered hopper, white* * *S-Helper Flex track – 3 cases of 24, list $179.95 each ** *Sell for $135. each case* *S&S can motor conversions (DC) for American Flyer Steamers (New)* *List $25. each – Sell $18. each or $16. if you want both.* * * *Gargraves SS Flex track, 37” each, 30 pcs for $30.* *2 turnouts 1 LH & 1 RH - $5. each* * * *Lionel Trainmaster TMCC, complete new in box set, cab 1, command base & Powerhouse 180 – List is around $205. for both together – Sell - $135.* * * *Lionel TW 175 Watt Transformer - $40.* -- Ted Larson http://www.aroundcinci.com/icams/museum/

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Subject: Sunday Chat, 2/12/2006, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 38773	From: THOMAS E HILLERY	Date: 2/12/2006
Subject: UP heavyweights

I was in a train store in upstate NY getting a Lionel F3 fixed! and saw the new Lionel catalog and saw Flyonel is coming out with UP heavyweights.Is this a thread I missed?. Looks like a big gap with the KCs ..Would be nice if closer together.. with diaphrams but tis a nice gesture..Thoughts? Tom Hillery

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38774	From: alguckes2001	Date: 2/12/2006
Subject: S gauge for sale

My last offer of this equipment for sale off list brought only a few responses regarding buying the entire lot - negotiations fell through. Therefore I came to the conclusion I had the items overpriced. I have reduced the prices er the list below. I am selling this equipmnt as I bought it to explore S scale. I decided against switching as even though S scale is truly the perfect size I have too much O three rail I want to continue to operate. I decided to keep the diner kit as it will be a challenge to build (for me at least) and I can use it as a backgoround model. Please respond off list. Showcase Line #01227 Composite hopper, Pennsylvania #8 $25.00 Showcase Line #01226 "Buy War Bonds" Composite Hb Pennsylvania 3 car set #2: $70.00 Showcase Line #00263-5 SFC Boston & Maine (Flat Car $25.00 Showcase Line #00182 TOFC Pennsylvania with PRR $40.00 Showcase Line #00474 PS-2 PRR small keystone #1 257483 $25.00 American Models Baldwin Switcher Pennsylvania S1208 DC Hi-rail $110.00 Showcase Line #00292 curved track 24"radius 30 degrees 6 sections in box in box $20.00 (plus two 10 inch straight) Prices do not include shipping. All of the above are either new or like new. The locomotive has about 10 minutes operating time. I only had a 5 foot long test track as I was "trying out" S scale. All items other than the 2 sections of straight track are in original boxes, some never unpacked. Total "new" costs were $504.00 excluding shipping. Total of my prices is $315.00. If someone wants to buy the lot I will pay the shipping costs. Al Guckes

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38775	From: mlmarmer	Date: 2/12/2006
Subject: layout update

Getting ready to put the finishing touches on my floor layout to see how it would look with old AF track, when I hope to replaced it with track from Classic Trains and built a table for a 12 foot by 8.5 foot. What is really weird about this, it is beginning to look like US 30 in PA! And I live in MD and I have my fun moments on why I can't stand PA. Long story, as Penn State and U of MD have something to do with it. LOL Joe Pa is okay in my book. Well, my in-laws are from PA and he went to PSU, so that is another reason. Anyway, I have this long road along the track, with the AF Branford Diner, a gas station that has a 1930's look to it, that I got from North East Trains in Peabody, MA, Frosty Bar, (Typical PA item), then the farm with Barn, Produce Stand, (I have a Giant Rubber Apple that I can add in the fall for Apple Harvest sale at the stand), with the milk stand for the milk car and cattle loader. Farm Animals too. And of course, I have a great location for the sawmill, coal loader, barrel loader, and baggage smasher. A sliding of the main line for the tool shed and a long sliding for the Shell gas tank accessory and the piggy back unloader. Main Line has the Plasticville station with the passenger stand. Looks pretty good for the space I have, as I was able to do a double main loop, several loops inside for the accessories. Even have the Plasticvile Turnpike toll booth at a corner, as you leave US 30 for the PA turnpike. Me, I prefer the NJ Turnpike. O:)! Checkerboard water tower on a outside corner too. PA, it coming to get my mind! Agghhhh! Okay, it beats US One in MD! But my wife and I joke about all the strip clubs we see in PA with the tall fences to hide your car! hee hee, okay, maybe we will add a tavern instead. Have some semaphores and RR crossing added too. Plus the 3 piece whistle stop and the 270 Newsstand, have good home on the layout. And my wife's favorite, the Plasticville phone booths are all over the place, as no cell phones are allowed on my layout, just like at York! LOL! Got 9 of those at York in the mid 1990's for 35 each. Well, the market dropped for them to 15 each. Oh well, we will get some more. We laugh about that, as it like the stock market! Mike

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38776	From: mlmarmer	Date: 2/13/2006
Subject: wide radius

I do have a question about wide radius curve track. On the layout I am going to make, I am going to have two loops of track side by side. Of course, the curve track on the inside does not fit as well side by side with the outside track, hence the use of wide radius. This may be a silly question to some, but I am assuming the wide radius will go on the inside track, since it needs to be wider to match up to the outside track? Thanks for any answers, as I will have a TON of questions when this things really gets going. Mike Marmer

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38777	From: mlmarmer	Date: 2/13/2006
Subject: Re: Fw: Question for item #6034642964 - GILBERT AF FREIGHT BOXED HA

The neat thing about this AF train set that he sold, was that he wrote me back, after I told him that set could go for 1150 or more, that he $7 for the entire set and he sold it for $805. Which is a very nice return to him overall. He is happy and the buyer is very happy for getting that set for 805. Mike Marmer

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38778	From: lember2004	Date: 2/13/2006
Subject: e-bay Second Chance scam on AF item

I received two fradulant e-mails offering me a Second Chance to buy an American Flyer item on which I was not high bidder on e-bay. The e- mails I received were perfect copies of the wording, graphics, format, etc of a legitimate e-bay message. I was suspicious since I had been third high bidder on the item. The first sender claimed the high bidder had run into financial problems. A check of the real buyer's and seller's feedback showed the transaction had been completed suceesfully. Also, these e-mails did not appear in the My Messages section of e-bay and my account preferences say I do not accept Second Chances. It would have been easy to respond to the first e-mail by sending money, since I really wanted the item. Both e-bay and Yahoo have confirmed the e-mails as fraudulant. Be careful out there! Mark

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38779	From: Dave Farquhar	Date: 2/13/2006
Subject: Re: dealing with a rust spot

Keith, I thought I responded to this but it didn't show up on the list. My apologies. Several suggestions, in order of cost: 1. Plain white vinegar. Very good for dissolving rust, but can be harmful to the paint. Apply very carefully with a cotton swab and rub. I don't recomment letting it soak for very long. I have soaked O gauge track in vinegar for several hours and come back to find the rust gone, but the paint from the ties was also gone. 2. Orange cleaner, such as Goo Gone. Only effective against light rust, but less harmful to paint. 3. Penetrating oil, such as WD-40, Knocker Loose, Liquid Wrench, etc. It's a household item and it's worth a shot. It actually seems to be good for some paints, bad for others. I would apply with a cotton swab and rub. 4. Gun oil, such as REM Oil. I haven't used this stuff myself but I've seen before and after pics of some parts that were cleaned with it and it did a very nice job. 5. Oxisolv. Expensive and generally only available via mail order from companies such as Eastwood that cater to automobile restorers. I paid about $20 for a 20-ounce bottle. It's designed not to harm paint and does a good job on rust. Depending on the item you clean with it, it can pay for itself the first or second time you use it. I've used it on both painted and lithographed items with success. It leaves behind a zinc phosphate coating that inhibits rust and takes paint very readily. Dave Farquhar --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Keith Thompson <kbt1@...> wrote: > > > I have a (favorite) flat car that is stamped metal and it is in near > perfect condition except for one rust spot on the top of the deck. > I'm thinking that if I leave it, the rust will spread. I'd like to > stop the rust and touch up the grey paint (here is where I don't want > to open a can of worms). The car is number 909 and has a big orange > girder on top if that helps? Suggestions, on either dealing with the > rust or paint touchup would be appreciated. > > Regards, > keith thompson >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38780	From: clifma19	Date: 2/13/2006
Subject: wood ties

Who is making and selling the small black wood ties to finish AF track? Cliff Manning

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38781	From: Edward G.	Date: 2/13/2006
Subject: Something you dont see to often ..

OK guys take a look at the pics in this add if for no other reason that it is old and something you may not see again .... http://contact.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? M2MContact&item=6035992615&requested=fyrrfytr&qid=1894858808&redirect=0 Item # 6035992615

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38782	From: Jim Ensign	Date: 2/13/2006
Subject: S-L-O-W Parts Orders

Do you guys constantly run into slow delivery on Flyer parts? Since I live in Colroado and most AF supply houses are back east. I get almost all my parts via the internet or mail order. I've found that some of the companies with the seemingly largest inventories are also very slow on delivery -- Up to a month for filling an order of 5 to 10 common items. On the other hand, I've also ordered from some businesses at the beginning of the week and had the item by Friday - great service. It can't be a payment issue because it's all done with credit cards or through PayPal, so they can't be waiting for a check to clear. I'm new enough to this forum that I don't know if posting recommendations of businesses is allowed, or not? I'm not interested in bashing any particular business myself, but, boy, I sure wish I had known to steer clear of some of those guys. Have you folks made up any kind of "Recommended" list in the past? Jim E.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38783	From: Roy Inman	Date: 2/13/2006
Subject: Re: wide radius

Actually Mike, I the radius could be exactly the same. When we have build modular layouts, we have always used the same radius for parallel tracks. If the two tracks are side by side, the outside loop just needs to have a section of the straight track longer, on the longest sides of the loop, and a full or half section on the middle of the curve on the outside track. 1/4 section, 1/2 section, full section, etc. As you come to the curve, the tracks will still be parallel, assuming you have put in the correct amount of straight section(s). If the inside track were of a wider radius, it would come closer to the outside track on the curve; if the wider radius were on the outside, it would move further away from the inside track. If you know anyone who has a track planning program, you can demonstrate this pretty easily. I think... Roy Inman > From: mlmarmer <mlmarmer@...> > Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 09:03:52 -0500 > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Toy Trains <toytrains@yahoogroups.com>, TCA > Members <TCA_members_group@yahoogroups.com>, Ralph Loveless > <RalCor888@...> > Subject: [S-Trains] wide radius > > I do have a question about wide radius curve track. > > On the layout I am going to make, I am going to have two loops of track side > by side. Of course, the curve track on the inside does not fit as well side > by side with the outside track, hence the use of wide radius. > > This may be a silly question to some, but I am assuming the wide radius will > go on the inside track, since it needs to be wider to match up to the > outside track? > > Thanks for any answers, as I will have a TON of questions when this things > really gets going. > > Mike Marmer > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38784	From: Roy Inman	Date: 2/13/2006
Subject: Re: S-L-O-W Parts Orders

Jim, If you haven't tried Leventon Hobby Supply at www.americanflyerparts.com, you might check it out. They are in Chehalis, WA, and have always given me excellent service. As has Doug Peck at Port lines. Actually, in my experience, any of the suppliers that I have met on this list have always been very service oriented. But now that you mention it, I recall having similar problems with suppliers of other stuff (not train parts) when I lived in Parker, CO some 20 years ago. Back then some companies stated in their ads that prices were "higher Denver and west." Good luck :) Roy Inman > From: Jim Ensign <hugoroundhouseflyer@...> > Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 15:59:30 +0000 > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] S-L-O-W Parts Orders > > Do you guys constantly run into slow delivery on Flyer parts? Since I > live in Colroado and most AF supply houses are back east. I get almost > all my parts via the internet or mail order. I've found that some of > the companies with the seemingly largest inventories are also very slow > on delivery -- Up to a month for filling an order of 5 to 10 common > items. On the other hand, I've also ordered from some businesses at > the beginning of the week and had the item by Friday - great service. > It can't be a payment issue because it's all done with credit cards or > through PayPal, so they can't be waiting for a check to clear. > > I'm new enough to this forum that I don't know if posting > recommendations of businesses is allowed, or not? I'm not interested > in bashing any particular business myself, but, boy, I sure wish I had > known to steer clear of some of those guys. Have you folks made up any > kind of "Recommended" list in the past? > > Jim E. > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38785	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 2/13/2006
Subject: Re: Lionel Flyer 1998 - EMD SD40-2

In compiling my Lionel Flyer Catalog collection a good freind sent me a 1998 promotion of a new Conrail EMD SD40-2 engine. My question was the engine ever released by Lionel? It would be a great unit to have. Jerry Matsick

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38786	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 2/13/2006
Subject: Re: GP-9 Sante Fe Merger diesel

Several weeks back I inquired about this engine. It is one that I haven't seen and would like to add to my collection. A gentlemen responded that he had one, but this old dude hit the delete button in error, please respond again. Jerry Matsick

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38787	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 2/13/2006
Subject: Re: Jacksonville Train Show - February 25th!!

Just a reminder of this show and to invite any "S" gaugers to come and see see my layout, I will be having open house from 1 to 4 PM! If interested drop me a line. Also when in Jacksonville (show at Prime Osborn Convention Center) ride the "Skyway Express from the Northbank (station at Conv Ctr) to the South Bank over the St. Johns River, beautiful ride. Jerry Matsick

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38788	From: Mike	Date: 2/13/2006
Subject: Newbie

Hello all, my name is Mike. About two weeks ago, my dear mother, who is in bad health, gave me my childhood trains. Now, about all I know about these trains is that they ran when I last played with them and that they are American Flyer trains. I wasn't going to post any questions because I could have sworn that I saw a FAQ link when I first came here, but I can't find it now. So, at the risk of sounding stupid, I hope some of you might be willing to help me out a little bit, because I'd like to pass these trains on to my 14 year old son. For anyone who is interested, here are some pics of the trains.http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/shorebird05/album?.dir=779a&.src=ph\ &store=&prodid=&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/ph//my_photos <http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/shorebird05/album?.dir=779a&.src=ph&store\ =&prodid=&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/ph//my_photos> For the life of me, I can't remember how to hook up the transformer!! I don't even know if I have all the right parts to do it. Can anyone tell from the pics? The locomotive has a disconnected wire on the plug. I was thinking I might just stick it in the hole to the plug and bind it with electrical tape just to see if the thing still runs. Can you purchase a plug to sodder to the engine? How hard is that to do? Any help would be greatly appreciated. I can tell by the photos here that you guys are real serious about this hobby. I have a 4th bedroom at my home that my son has talked me into turning into a hobby room, for his plastic models and the trains. I've already built a 4'x8' table, and have the materials for another. I've even entertained the thought of buying a brand new American Flyer set just to try the old trains on, but every store I've been in say they must special order them. All they have are Lionel trains. I know Lionel makes reproductions, and there is another company called American Trains, I think. I've seen them online. Do any of you think this would be a viable option? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38789	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 2/13/2006
Subject: Re: e-bay Second Chance scam on AF item

i TOO HAVE RECEIVED THEM... I responded to one by contacting the original seller and asking........ he never replied....... so I dropped it....... don't answer these unless you deal with the original seller..... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "lember2004" <lember2004@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 10:38 AM Subject: [S-Trains] e-bay Second Chance scam on AF item >I received two fradulant e-mails offering me a Second Chance to buy an > American Flyer item on which I was not high bidder on e-bay. The e- > mails I received were perfect copies of the wording, graphics, format, .............................

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38790	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 2/13/2006
Subject: Re: Lionel Flyer 1998 - EMD SD40-2

Jerry, This was a locomotive that a lot of people seemed to want but Lionel never produced. Lionel said that here weren't enough orders. Flyer guys have since learned (I hope) that you have to pre order things from Lionel. That's how the company determines how many to make. I think. It was a completely new shell and that probably made Lionel leery of producing something that didn't use an existing mold. Personally, I didn't know about pre ordering then, and I was going to get at least one of those locomotives. I was disappointed that they never came out. So when the Docksider was introduced, I made sure I pre ordered a few from my friendly dealer. It would have made a nice addition to the fleet. Even in Conrail colors ;>) Jerry Poniatowski Registrar, 2006 NASG National Convention --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Jerry Matsick" <jpmatsick@...> wrote: > > In compiling my Lionel Flyer Catalog collection a good freind sent me > a 1998 promotion of a new Conrail EMD SD40-2 engine. My question was > the engine ever released by Lionel? It would be a great unit to > have. > > Jerry Matsick >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38791	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 2/13/2006
Subject: Photo Album Rebuilding

I have installed a new gallery on a new host. If you send me your name and some info I can get you started rebuilding your album. If you need my help in rebiulding your album: I have most of the images, but they are not very organized. Send me any info you have, like the filename of one of your photographs. If you have the link to your old site that might help too. If you have all your files and just want a login, that would be great. contact me off list. Paul Yorke s_trains at yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38792	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 2/13/2006
Subject: Re: GP-9 Sante Fe Merger diesel

Jerrry...... there was one engine Lionel was going to do but cancelled it..... can't remember but think that might have been it.... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Matsick" <jpmatsick@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 2:21 PM Subject: [S-Trains] re: GP-9 Sante Fe Merger diesel > Several weeks back I inquired about this engine. It is one that I > haven't seen and would like to add to my collection. A gentlemen > responded that he had one, but this old dude hit the delete button in > error, please respond again. > > Jerry Matsick >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38793	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 2/13/2006
Subject: Re: Newbie

From the pics, looks like you are all set. Transformer, connect to base post and 7-16v post. Use one of the track lockons with two wire connections. Base post wire to base post connection, other to the other. Nice M&StL set. Still looking for those matching cars to go with my engine. Looks like you have power components to run some accessories - maybe a crossing gate, semaphore, can't really tell. Start with a loop of track, attach power, see what you can get running. Plan on cleaning, and cleaning.... oh, and cleaning! ;-) Welcome to the group, stick to AF for sure. Good stuff! Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38794	From: mlmarmer	Date: 2/13/2006
Subject: Re: wide radius

Thanks Roy, as I will take a look at that. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roy Inman" <rinphoto@...> To: "mlmarmer" <mlmarmer@...>; <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; "Toy Trains" <toytrains@yahoogroups.com>; "TCA Members" <TCA_members_group@yahoogroups.com>; "Ralph Loveless" <RalCor888@...> Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 12:38 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] wide radius > Actually Mike, I the radius could be exactly the same. When we have build > modular layouts, we have always used the same radius for parallel tracks. If > the two tracks are side by side, the outside loop just needs to have a > section of the straight track longer, on the longest sides of the loop, and > a full or half section on the middle of the curve on the outside track. 1/4 > section, 1/2 section, full section, etc. As you come to the curve, the > tracks will still be parallel, assuming you have put in the correct amount > of straight section(s). If the inside track were of a wider radius, it would > come closer to the outside track on the curve; if the wider radius were on > the outside, it would move further away from the inside track. If you know > anyone who has a track planning program, you can demonstrate this pretty > easily. > I think... > Roy Inman > > > From: mlmarmer <mlmarmer@...> > > Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 09:03:52 -0500 > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Toy Trains <toytrains@yahoogroups.com>, TCA > > Members <TCA_members_group@yahoogroups.com>, Ralph Loveless > > <RalCor888@...> > > Subject: [S-Trains] wide radius > > > > I do have a question about wide radius curve track. > > > > On the layout I am going to make, I am going to have two loops of track side > > by side. Of course, the curve track on the inside does not fit as well side > > by side with the outside track, hence the use of wide radius. > > > > This may be a silly question to some, but I am assuming the wide radius will > > go on the inside track, since it needs to be wider to match up to the > > outside track? > > > > Thanks for any answers, as I will have a TON of questions when this things > > really gets going. > > > > Mike Marmer > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38795	From: Roy Inman	Date: 2/13/2006
Subject: Re: Newbie

Wow, Mike, lots of good questions here. Nothing stupid about them. I can only address a couple. First off, Gilbert ceased production of the American Flyer line and went out of business about 1966~67. Lionel bought the name and many (if not all) of the molds to make the engines. Another company bought most of the parts, Hobby Surplus Sales, I believe, but others can give you a more accurate reading on that. American Trains I believe are from the old Marx line, and are three rail O gauge, not two rail S gauge. A number of excellent S dealers read this list, and my guess is that some of them will have a Lionel American Flyer set (commonly referred to on this list as "Flyonel") for sale. Lionel began to do some Flyer remakes in the 1980's and continues today. The Lionel catalog 2006 #1 shows about nine pages of flyer items. A local S gauger is selling a mint UP Pony Express Flyonel for $450, which I think is a good price. I have no vested interest, BTW, just passing it along. And there are lots and lots of original Flyer engines, cars, accessories, track (which Lionel DOES NOT make) for sale by the aforementioned dealers. You also might consider a subscription to the S Gaugian magazine, a six-times yearly publication dedicated to just S train stuff. There are always lots of ads listing S equipment for sale in addition to the sometimes good editorial content. If you are looking for some really excellent non-AF S equipment, S Helper Serivce and American Models import a wide variety of stuff that is compatible with original AF. As far as hooking up the transformer, just put one wire from the Base terminal to one of the rails, and one wire from the 7~16 volt (V) terminal to the other rail. You will then be able to vary the speed with the red control handle. Accessories are hooked up one wire to base and one wire to 16 volts (V) terminals. You will need to clean the track to get things running properly. Others will have good suggestions on this as well. All in all, I think you will find this list to be an invaluable resource for anything AF or S. Good luck and welcome aboard :)) Roy Inman www.unionstationphotos.com > From: Mike <shorebird05@...> > Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 22:09:56 +0000 > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] Newbie > > > Hello all, my name is Mike. About two weeks ago, my dear mother, who is > in bad health, gave me my childhood trains. Now, about all I know about > these trains is that they ran when I last played with them and that they > are American Flyer trains. I wasn't going to post any questions because > I could have sworn that I saw a FAQ link when I first came here, but I > can't find it now. So, at the risk of sounding stupid, I hope some of > you might be willing to help me out a little bit, because I'd like to > pass these trains on to my 14 year old son. > > For anyone who is interested, here are some pics of the > trains.http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/shorebird05/album?.dir=779a&.src=ph\ > &store=&prodid=&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/ph//my_photos > <http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/shorebird05/album?.dir=779a&.src=ph&store\ > =&prodid=&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/ph//my_photos> > > For the life of me, I can't remember how to hook up the transformer!! I > don't even know if I have all the right parts to do it. Can anyone tell > from the pics? > > The locomotive has a disconnected wire on the plug. I was thinking I > might just stick it in the hole to the plug and bind it with electrical > tape just to see if the thing still runs. Can you purchase a plug to > sodder to the engine? How hard is that to do? > > Any help would be greatly appreciated. I can tell by the photos here > that you guys are real serious about this hobby. I have a 4th bedroom at > my home that my son has talked me into turning into a hobby room, for > his plastic models and the trains. I've already built a 4'x8' table, and > have the materials for another. I've even entertained the thought of > buying a brand new American Flyer set just to try the old trains on, but > every store I've been in say they must special order them. All they have > are Lionel trains. I know Lionel makes reproductions, and there is > another company called American Trains, I think. I've seen them online. > Do any of you think this would be a viable option? > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38796	From: mlmarmer	Date: 2/13/2006
Subject: Re: wood ties

A company in Canada, make S ties, as I have some samples downstairs. Looks pretty good. I will get the address for you. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: "clifma19" <clifma19@...> To: "STrains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 2:06 AM Subject: [S-Trains] wood ties > Who is making and selling the small black wood ties to finish AF track? > > Cliff Manning > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38797	From: mlmarmer	Date: 2/13/2006
Subject: Re: dealing with a rust spot

I would be very careful with those liquids on any rust. I used Oxislov on those 661,662,663 passenger car chasis and it took the paint off, which was fine to me, as I wasn't worried about ruining any value to these cars. I proceded to spray paint the chasises, and now they are great. I was told to use very fine sandpaper or something like that. I will email my friend who is not on this list and ask him exactly what he used for rust. Mike Marmer

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38798	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/13/2006
Subject: Re: Newbie

Welcome Mike! Sorry to hear about your Mom's health. Really neat that you have your old trains! Don't be afraid to ask questions, that's what this group is about! American Models and S-Helper Service are making some great S-gauge goodies! And plenty of old Flyer on eBay. Thanks for sharing some photos. Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38799	From: mvandiver2@aol.com	Date: 2/13/2006
Subject: Lost ebay address

There was something listed in the last few days about a lot of S gauge items for sale on ebay. I evidently deleted the message. Can anyone help me? Thanks Mike Vandiver [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38800	From: mlmarmer	Date: 2/13/2006
Subject: 2 in 1 whistle

Could someone explain what the 2 in 1 whistle is? I have one, as both buttons do the same whistle on mine. Thanks, Mike

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38801	From: mlmarmer	Date: 2/13/2006
Subject: Re: wood ties

Cliff, I made note to get you the information, as I might not get to it till tomorrow. Just wanted you and anyone else who might be interested to know. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "mlmarmer" <mlmarmer@...> To: "STrains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; "clifma19" <clifma19@...> Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 8:53 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] wood ties > A company in Canada, make S ties, as I have some samples downstairs. Looks > pretty good. > > I will get the address for you. > > Mike Marmer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "clifma19" <clifma19@...> > To: "STrains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 2:06 AM > Subject: [S-Trains] wood ties > > > > Who is making and selling the small black wood ties to finish AF track? > > > > Cliff Manning > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38802	From: lember2004	Date: 2/13/2006
Subject: Re: 2 in 1 whistle

The buttons should produce two sounds, differing in tone and volume. According to the original catalog, the sounds are supposed to be like a near-by and a distant engine. A baffle comes into effect when the button is pressed for the lower volume sound. [I notice that on mine the volumes are different, but not the tones.] Mark --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mlmarmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > Could someone explain what the 2 in 1 whistle is? > > I have one, as both buttons do the same whistle on mine. > > Thanks, > > Mike >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38803	From: Gerald Dobbs	Date: 2/13/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2948

Mike : One method is to use a wide radius K-line 54" at each end of the curve, the 54" radius is to wide of a radius for a parallel track with the 19 1/4 Flyer radius. My solution is to custom bend regular Flyer track to a new radius of 24". putting a straight one section makes a flat spot in the curve try to use two or more straight sections.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38804	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/13/2006
Subject: Re: Lost ebay address

***(((((There was something listed in the last few days about a lot of S gauge items for sale on ebay. I evidently deleted the message. Can anyone help me? Thanks Mike Vandiver)))**** Was this it? http://listings.ebay.com/plistings/list/all/category19143/index.html?fro\m=R0 http://listings.ebay.com/plistings/list/all/category19143/index.html?fr\om=R0 S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38805	From: Jenni Sipla	Date: 2/13/2006
Subject: Re: Newbie

i personally would find alocal train show near your home before you make any decision!!!! go to trains.com on the left side bare you willl find a listing for events. click on it and tthen put you zip code in it will show you all the shows in your area that are listed (there may be others check with local hobby shops). I have attached a few pictures of accesories that are available on ebay right now resonable prices also....these are NOT MY auctions or anyone i know. the first picture is of the track lock on this allows you to connect power to the track. PS to check and see if train is operational conect the TWO wire connector to tender flip complete engine and tender on its back on a clean rag and between two books for supoport. Connect the wires of the transformer one to the front wheel set and the other to the rear wheel set. At this time it doesn't matter which post goes where as long as you use the 7 to 15 volt terminal.this will tell you that engine is operational. hope this helps a bit Bret --------------------------------- Brings words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38806	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 2/13/2006
Subject: Re: ballast template

Mike, can't say for certain but believe I recall seeing on in Scenic Express catalogue. Paul S. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38807	From: Phil K	Date: 2/14/2006
Subject: Re: e-bay Second Chance scam on AF item

Tell the guy your policy on second chance auctions is for him to ship you the item, then you'll send him payment after you receive it. On most of these scam emails, you can read the Internet fingerprint and figure out that they did not originate through eBay. Like you said, gotta be careful out there. Phil K --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "lember2004" <lember2004@...> wrote: > > I received two fradulant e-mails offering me a Second Chance to buy an > American Flyer item on which I was not high bidder on e-bay. The e- > mails I received were perfect copies of the wording, graphics, format, > etc of a legitimate e-bay message. > I was suspicious since I had been third high bidder on the item. The > first sender claimed the high bidder had run into financial problems. > A check of the real buyer's and seller's feedback showed the > transaction had been completed suceesfully. Also, these e-mails did > not appear in the My Messages section of e-bay and my account > preferences say I do not accept Second Chances. > It would have been easy to respond to the first e-mail by sending > money, since I really wanted the item. > Both e-bay and Yahoo have confirmed the e-mails as fraudulant. > Be careful out there! > Mark >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38808	From: WEG138@aol.com	Date: 2/14/2006
Subject: Re: wide radius

Mike: There are 2 curved radii used. A 40 and a 54 inch variety. I combine them. The outer curve is a 54, then a 40, & finally a 54. The inner is just the opposite. A 40, then a 54, then a 40. while not perfect matched curves they work, and make a good appearance. I'm not 100% positive about the radii #s. K-line, I believe makes the 54" curves. A company makes roadbed to quiet the trains (Johnson's Roadbed 310 317 9668). Last ,but not least, WELCOME to our playland! Bill G. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38809	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 2/14/2006
Subject: More eBay Items - Not Really

I also noticed that a higher number of items are showing up on eBay when I check the Ending Today list. The reason for the higher number is that eBay just recently started listing Buy It Now items from eBay store sellers on the Ending Today list. On average this adds about 20% more items. BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38810	From: Bill Clark	Date: 2/14/2006
Subject: Re: wide radius

S Helper Service makes sectional track which will connect and mix with AF track, and makes it in 3 radii, 20" (same as AF), 25" and 30". If you use 20" (or AF) for the inner, 25" for the outer will be parallel to it and maintain the 5" spacing. 30" will also be parallel, and 5" further out. Here's a link to the SHS stuff: http://www.showcaseline.com/track/TrackOverview.html Regards, Bill

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38811	From: Art Shifrin	Date: 2/14/2006
Subject: Gilbert whistle controllers

Hi Gang, Might any of you be able and willing to provide me with clear schematics preferably 200 line resolution of the AF whistle controllers? 1-- the unit that plugs into 110 AC 2-- the contents of the plug in 'cans' (all versions) Happy Chocolate Gorging Day! Shiffy www.shifrin.net

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38812	From: beebear	Date: 2/14/2006
Subject: Lionel's American Flyer Parts List

For those looking for parts for your American Flyer stuff, Lionel has a listing on their site that has parts listings, wiring diagrams and blowup parts diagrams. I finally found and ordered the original Baldwin pickups and springs that I have been looking for 50 cents each!! Here is the link http://www.lionel.com Once on their home page click on Customer Service then click on Parts List and Pictorial Daigrams next you will see a box with Search All Categories scroll down until you find American Flyer and select it lastly click on the Search button Enjoy John Frankforther [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38813	From: lember2004	Date: 2/14/2006
Subject: Phil K's suggestion Re: e-bay Second Chance scam on AF item

By "the internet fingerprint", do you mean what Yahoo calls the "Full Header"? Thanks for the suggestions. Mark --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Phil K" <waldootten@...> wrote: > > Tell the guy your policy on second chance auctions is for him to > ship you the item, then you'll send him payment after you receive it. > > On most of these scam emails, you can read the Internet fingerprint > and figure out that they did not originate through eBay. > > Like you said, gotta be careful out there. > > Phil K > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "lember2004" <lember2004@> wrote: > > > > I received two fradulant e-mails offering me a Second Chance to > buy an > > American Flyer item on which I was not high bidder on e-bay. The > e- > > mails I received were perfect copies of the wording, graphics, > format, > > etc of a legitimate e-bay message. > > I was suspicious since I had been third high bidder on the item. > The > > first sender claimed the high bidder had run into financial > problems. > > A check of the real buyer's and seller's feedback showed the > > transaction had been completed suceesfully. Also, these e-mails > did > > not appear in the My Messages section of e-bay and my account > > preferences say I do not accept Second Chances. > > It would have been easy to respond to the first e-mail by sending > > money, since I really wanted the item. > > Both e-bay and Yahoo have confirmed the e-mails as fraudulant. > > Be careful out there! > > Mark > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38814	From: rkuepper	Date: 2/14/2006
Subject: Re: Newbie

Mike - Unless you have knowledge of electrical equipment, I would have a hobby shop or someone who does have knowledge check out the 115vac cord on the transformer. The covering does deteriorate and could cause a short. Dick Kuepper Aurora, OH -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 5:10 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Newbie Hello all, my name is Mike. About two weeks ago, my dear mother, who is in bad health, gave me my childhood trains. Now, about all I know about these trains is that they ran when I last played with them and that they are American Flyer trains. I wasn't going to post any questions because I could have sworn that I saw a FAQ link when I first came here, but I can't find it now. So, at the risk of sounding stupid, I hope some of you might be willing to help me out a little bit, because I'd like to pass these trains on to my 14 year old son. For anyone who is interested, here are some pics of the trains.http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/shorebird05/album?.dir=779a&.src=ph\ &store=&prodid=&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/ph//my_photos <http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/shorebird05/album?.dir=779a&.src=ph&store\ =&prodid=&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/ph//my_photos> For the life of me, I can't remember how to hook up the transformer!! I don't even know if I have all the right parts to do it. Can anyone tell from the pics? The locomotive has a disconnected wire on the plug. I was thinking I might just stick it in the hole to the plug and bind it with electrical tape just to see if the thing still runs. Can you purchase a plug to sodder to the engine? How hard is that to do? Any help would be greatly appreciated. I can tell by the photos here that you guys are real serious about this hobby. I have a 4th bedroom at my home that my son has talked me into turning into a hobby room, for his plastic models and the trains. I've already built a 4'x8' table, and have the materials for another. I've even entertained the thought of buying a brand new American Flyer set just to try the old trains on, but every store I've been in say they must special order them. All they have are Lionel trains. I know Lionel makes reproductions, and there is another company called American Trains, I think. I've seen them online. Do any of you think this would be a viable option? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38815	From: keefer1	Date: 2/14/2006
Subject: Re: Phil K's suggestion Re: e-bay Second Chance scam on AF item

The best idea is to send the e-mail with full headers , off to spoof@... should never respond to an unsolicated email, unless you are ready to get a ton more. Folks use programs to send out bulk emails, then if you respond , sell your email to other ad companies. Keith --- lember2004 <lember2004@...> wrote: > By "the internet fingerprint", do you mean what > Yahoo calls the "Full > Header"? Thanks for the suggestions. > Mark > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Phil K" > <waldootten@...> wrote: > > > > Tell the guy your policy on second chance auctions > is for him to > > ship you the item, then you'll send him payment > after you receive > it. > > > > On most of these scam emails, you can read the > Internet fingerprint > > and figure out that they did not originate through > eBay. > > > > Like you said, gotta be careful out there. > > > > Phil K > > > > > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "lember2004" > <lember2004@> wrote: > > > > > > I received two fradulant e-mails offering me a > Second Chance to > > buy an > > > American Flyer item on which I was not high > bidder on e-bay. The > > e- > > > mails I received were perfect copies of the > wording, graphics, > > format, > > > etc of a legitimate e-bay message. > > > I was suspicious since I had been third high > bidder on the item. > > The > > > first sender claimed the high bidder had run > into financial > > problems. > > > A check of the real buyer's and seller's > feedback showed the > > > transaction had been completed suceesfully. > Also, these e-mails > > did > > > not appear in the My Messages section of e-bay > and my account > > > preferences say I do not accept Second Chances. > > > It would have been easy to respond to the first > e-mail by sending > > > money, since I really wanted the item. > > > Both e-bay and Yahoo have confirmed the e-mails > as fraudulant. > > > Be careful out there! > > > Mark > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38816	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 2/14/2006
Subject: I need Help with new albums

Hi Folks, With my current workload and owl season going on, I need help admin'ing the new albums. I have played with it a bit, and there are some real cool features. You can upload directly from your computers hard drive.(just to name one) Anyway I need help. Someone that has a bit of experience with setting up user accounts. not rocket science. If you can be that person please contact me. put 'I can help' in the subject. all my new album requests are waiting in a que. I have lots of images from the old site but it will take some effort to sort them out. If you are ready to start building a new album on your own , using pictures from your pc, this will also help. Paul s_trains at yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38817	From: Don Rodgers Sr.	Date: 2/14/2006
Subject: Test

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 38818	From: lember2004	Date: 2/14/2006
Subject: How long are Frontiersman cars?

I'm hoping to learn the length of the Frontiersman cars [the (247)20, (247)30, (247)40 and (247)50, which I assume are each the same length]. I'm interested in both the lenghth of the car itself ignoring the couplers and also the coupler-tip to coupler-tip length. {I would also like to know for a car sitting on the track: the height from the top of the rail to the top of the roof.) I don't have any of these cars yet and am trying to see if they will fit in a couple places on my lay-out. Neither the catalogs nor Greenberg give the dimensions. Any help is, as always, much appreciated! Mark

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38819	From: mlmarmer	Date: 2/14/2006
Subject: rust

Someone asked about rust yesterday. Here is a response, I got from a friend, as I would be careful, as best as possible, with anything you try. Mike You use 4/0 (fine) Steel wool and 30 weight motor oil on a piece of steel wool to remove rust on any metal that has be BLUED. If the Blueing comes off you need to go to a Gun Store and buy a Blueing Kit. This is a bottle in a box. Follow Directions.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38820	From: mlmarmer	Date: 2/14/2006
Subject: ties

The ties I got as a sample for AF track is from a company called Great Plains Hi-Rail 4707 Sherwood Drive, Regina, Sask., Canada S4s 5n7. They are brown, as I think they had black, as they look to be about 1/4 x 1/4 inch. And maybe 1.25 inches long. They looked very good under a piece of track. Also, a company called Beaver Boys makes ties. I hope this helps. Mike

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38821	From: mlmarmer	Date: 2/14/2006
Subject: My Little Town

Yes, in My Little Town, (quick who had a big hit of a song, with that title in the 1970's, LOL), things are moving along, as the baggage arm is up and mail is being picked up and then later thrown a million miles away from the baggage car! But, if you think Lionel and MTH are competition to each other, you haven't seen anything yet! As, reported, I have a plasticville, 1950 style , Frosty Bar (yellow and white) up and running at a intersection of my US 30 and some other unknown street to be determine later! But down that unknown named street, not too far away from that intersection, by the Plastic Farm and produce stand, a pink and white Frosty Bar, was opened today by the owners of the farm. What the heck, it is only February. Anyway, things could start to get ugly here with maybe a friendly price way on high calorie ice cream and Maple Donuts, official donut of TCA! I hope it does not lead to violence!!!! Mike Marmer Staying in MD, where no Frosty Bars exist.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38822	From: mlmarmer	Date: 2/14/2006
Subject: eBay BOXED AF #973 GILBERT'S OPERATING MILK BOXCAR (item 6035714451

http://cgi.ebay.com/BOXED-AF-973-GILBERTS-OPERATING-MILK-BOXCAR_W0QQitemZ6035714451QQcategoryZ480QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem This is a 973 Gilbert milk car that is for sale on Ebay. The reason why I am sending the link to the group, as it might be in a rare box. When, you click on this, scroll down to the bottom, where the seller amended the description. The box is 25919. That number was never used by Gilbert for anything. The number on the box, should of been 25019, as he states it is on the original description. Probably what happen, that the stamper got the digit turned from a 0 to a 9. Might be something to bid on. Mike Marmer

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38823	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/14/2006
Subject: New albums

I have started my new albums at the new site Paul found. Piece of cake. Ahhhhhh......I just saw some other new folders there now! Cool! http://s-scale.org/albums/main.php?g2_view=core.ShowItem&g2_itemId=10 Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38824	From: mlmarmer	Date: 2/14/2006
Subject: Re: 2 in 1 whistle

Thanks for the replies, as that is what I thought it was, but I think I uncovered the biggest fraud of the A.C. Gilbert company. JUST KIDDING! Actually, I listen to both and it sounds the same. One might be a tad different in volume, but I think that is by accident due to the mechanics of the item. But I never had this thing working before, and I like the lights in it, to shine on the billboard. But the weird thing, is, when I release either button, the ending sound, as the whistle stops, has a coo-coo sound, like the clock, from the air chamber. Very slight, as I only heard, since I was paying so much attention to each button, only to discover, both are virtually the same. Maybe in time, that happen. Mike

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38825	From: Phil K	Date: 2/14/2006
Subject: OK, so why did this empty AF set box sell for over $1000?

$1,026 plus shipping on eBay. AND there's NO set number on the label, either. Can anyone shed some light on this? Here's the link: http://tinyurl.com/8ovwo Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38826	From: Gerald Dobbs	Date: 2/14/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2949

Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 22:24:50 -0500 From: "mlmarmer" <mlmarmer@...> Subject: 2 in 1 whistle Could someone explain what the 2 in 1 whistle is? I have one, as both buttons do the same whistle on mine. Thanks, Mike Mike: the two in one whistle leaves a little bit to imagination. The whistle unit is a typical two tone chamber whistle as used in all the whistling bill boards, except it has a sliding plate that closes off one chamber when the second button is pushed and blows just a single tone. Jerry 77-11644

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38827	From: mlmarmer	Date: 2/14/2006
Subject: instruction sheet

In going through my AF stuff, I came across this instruction sheet for some 720A switches, made from 1950 to 1956. On the piece of paper is a little mimeograph paper stapled to the instruction sheet stating: Due to material shortage the clear plastic wire will represent the yellow on the instruction sheet". I wonder what kind of shortage for yellow wire was going at the Gilbert plan and why? Maybe they run out of stock on yellow wire and the order did not come in time, as they had many orders for switches to get out to customers. At least the RED wire was in stock, as you know what was going on in the country at the time! O:)! To those in customer service, I thought you might get a kick out of this email, as you try to explain your way when something is wrong, not that being out of yellow wire will end the world. Mike Marmer

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38828	From: mlmarmer	Date: 2/14/2006
Subject: instruction sheet number two

In reading the instruction sheet for the Mail Pick Up car, I like how they write: First determine the location in your layout where you wish to pick up and unload the Mail bags. They make it sound like, you are doing this for real! LOL But they don't tell you what happens when the mail box is unloading, as that arm in the baggage cars throws that bag out so hard and fast, line drive, that it might KILL someone! And it does not kill someone or hit something first, it will go all across the room into a wall! LOL Ahh, toys of the 1950's! Think of the fun my big brother might of had, if we had one of those and trick into a certain spot! And the bag would fail the toy safety of being able to swallow it, as I believe if something is small enough to go down a paper towel tube, it can go down the throat of a child! Oops! I did not this would be so entertaining, all of this! Mike Marmer

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38829	From: mlmarmer	Date: 2/15/2006
Subject: My Little Town

The song, My Little Town, in case no has gotten the person or persons yet, really describes the area of Pittsburgh better, with the part about the dirty breeze from the smoke stacks coming on the laundry hanging on the line. Do you need another clue to this song. LOL Mike Marmer

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38830	From: tomminil@aol.com	Date: 2/15/2006
Subject: Re: 2 in 1 whistle

When working properly ther is a distinc different in the tones near and far whistles. Tom -----Original Message----- From: mlmarmer <mlmarmer@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com; lember2004 <lember2004@...> Sent: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 20:24:51 -0500 Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: 2 in 1 whistle Thanks for the replies, as that is what I thought it was, but I think I uncovered the biggest fraud of the A.C. Gilbert company. JUST KIDDING! Actually, I listen to both and it sounds the same. One might be a tad different in volume, but I think that is by accident due to the mechanics of the item. But I never had this thing working before, and I like the lights in it, to shine on the billboard. But the weird thing, is, when I release either button, the ending sound, as the whistle stops, has a coo-coo sound, like the clock, from the air chamber. Very slight, as I only heard, since I was paying so much attention to each button, only to discover, both are virtually the same. Maybe in time, that happen. Mike S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38831	From: tomminil@aol.com	Date: 2/15/2006
Subject: Re: instruction sheet

Yellow may have been used in the Korean War that is what happened to lucky strikes for WW2, they used to be in green tin flat boxes, I have one,. Then they changed color to red Tom [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38832	From: tomminil@aol.com	Date: 2/15/2006
Subject: Re: OK, so why did this empty AF set box sell for over $1000?

That is amaziing someone knows what this box is for from the bin number must be a very rare setor some really rich collectors. Who wants ro email the bidder. I put him on my email list Tom -----Original Message----- From: Phil K <waldootten@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 04:05:00 -0000 Subject: [S-Trains] OK, so why did this empty AF set box sell for over $1000? $1,026 plus shipping on eBay. AND there's NO set number on the label, either. Can anyone shed some light on this? Here's the link: http://tinyurl.com/8ovwo Phil K S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38833	From: ED WHELAN	Date: 2/15/2006
Subject: Re: instruction sheet number two

Mike, The instructions were written in the 40's or 50's, long before the lawyers & the ACLU were suing everyone, instead of taking responsibility for one's own actions. Personally, I wish we could go back to the days when we owned up to paying the consequences for our juvenile decisions and the very good lessons we learned as a result. ----- Original Message ----- From: "mlmarmer" <mlmarmer@...> To: "Toy Trains" <toytrains@yahoogroups.com>; <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; "Ralph Loveless" <RalCor888@...>; "cookie flannery" <cookster1030@...>; "Joann Frund" <jo@...> Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 11:18 PM Subject: [S-Trains] instruction sheet number two > In reading the instruction sheet for the Mail Pick Up car, I like how they > write: > > First determine the location in your layout where you wish to pick up and > unload the Mail bags. > > They make it sound like, you are doing this for real! LOL > > But they don't tell you what happens when the mail box is unloading, as > that > arm in the baggage cars throws that bag out so hard and fast, line drive, > that it might KILL someone! And it does not kill someone or hit something > first, it will go all across the room into a wall! LOL > > Ahh, toys of the 1950's! > > Think of the fun my big brother might of had, if we had one of those and > trick into a certain spot! > > And the bag would fail the toy safety of being able to swallow it, as I > believe if something is small enough to go down a paper towel tube, it can > go down the throat of a child! Oops! > > I did not this would be so entertaining, all of this! > > Mike Marmer > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38834	From: BENJAMIN PERRY	Date: 2/15/2006
Subject: Re: instruction sheet

The "Police Action" in Korea could have been a reason for the shortage of yellow wire. Ben Perry The hobo Lets his Whiskers sprout It's trains-not girls That he takes out BURMA-SHAVE -----Original Message----- From: mlmarmer Sent: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 20:09:19 -0800 To: Toy Trains, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Ralph Loveless, Bob Tufts, cookie flannery, Joann Frund Subject: [S-Trains] instruction sheet In going through my AF stuff, I came across this instruction sheet for some 720A switches, made from 1950 to 1956. On the piece of paper is a little mimeograph paper stapled to the instruction sheet stating: Due to material shortage the clear plastic wire will represent the yellow on the instruction sheet". I wonder what kind of shortage for yellow wire was going at the Gilbert plan and why? Maybe they run out of stock on yellow wire and the order did not come in time, as they had many orders for switches to get out to customers. At least the RED wire was in stock, as you know what was going on in the country at the time! O:)! To those in customer service, I thought you might get a kick out of this email, as you try to explain your way when something is wrong, not that being out of yellow wire will end the world. Mike Marmer S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38835	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/15/2006
Subject: Funny exchange over at the TCA TTLM

HI all, I'm pasting together a series of postings, looks like us S gaugers are "rockin' th' boat" over there!! :) Subject: 1952 American Flyer Yard King << I have the 343 Yard King that I want to sell; my question is did the 343 set come with transformer, track and accessories? Dale Locke >> #343 was the number of a Nickel Plate 0-8-0 locomotive and tender; 1953 was the first year the engine was sold with that number, and also the first year the set was called "Yard King". In 1953-1954 the set consisted of loco and tender, #953R combine, #934 floodlight car, #944 crane car and #945 boom car. The set came with 12 curved track sections, 4 straight sections, an uncoupler, and a 75 watt transformer. In 1955 the engine number was changed to #346 indicating a whistle tender. In 1956-1957 the engine was again #343 without whistle, and the train included an operating lumber car instead of the combine. "Yard King" included no accessories. As a youngster I remember being impressed that A C Gilbert included a combine in this train for the crew to ride in. It was a wrecker train, sent out in emergencies to deal with derailments; the combine was for employees, not for paying passengers as in a mixed train. No other postwar manufacturer included this touch of realism. Joseph Lechner ------- Subject: 1952 American Flyer Yard King I always assumed that railroad employees slept in the work cabooses of Lionel's work trains. Chip Owner of a one-owner 1948 Lionel 2143WS Deluxe Work Train set --------- Subject: 1952 American Flyer Yard King << I always assumed that railroad employees slept in the work cabooses of Lionel's work trains. Chip >> I can see the cartoon now... disheveled, grumpy track gangs emerging from a tool-strewn, unlighted work caboose with no glass in the windows, grousing about how much better the Gilbert track gangs have it. Note to Gene Anstine: you could stage a mock strike, where the plastic employees on your O gauge layout are picketing for better living conditions like the plastic S gauge employees who work across the aisle. Joseph Lechner See?? Even our make-believe track gangs think Flyer is best!!! :)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38836	From: winchester54947	Date: 2/15/2006
Subject: Hudson motor chassis

I have what I believe to be a 322 1948 NYC Hudson SIT reverse in boiler. Centererd on the bottom of the motor chassis are two brass 'poppets' just forward of each two front axles. The front one is spring loaded and sticks out 1/4 inch, the other is flush. Any ideas?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38837	From: clayton deich	Date: 2/15/2006
Subject: Re: OK, so why did this empty AF set box sell for over $1000?

Hey Phil, I can't fined a set box with that BIN-938 any where in my book, but could it be a box of boxcars #938? Oh hey I have a full box of smoke from AC Gilbert the # is B-755 I put photos up some time back. I don't know if the numbers are there in the photos. They must of had a numbering for all the things going out in large amount. Clayton S. D. --- Phil K <waldootten@...> wrote: > $1,026 plus shipping on eBay. AND there's NO set > number on the label, > either. Can anyone shed some light on this? Here's > the link: > > http://tinyurl.com/8ovwo > > Phil K > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38838	From: Art Shifrin	Date: 2/15/2006
Subject: Dogs & trains

So last evening Marlene and I were watching the final judging at the Westminster Kennel Club, vainly hoping that finally, a Golden Retriever would win best in show (one never has). The winner is "Rufus", a colored Bull Terrier. One of the shots of this handsome dog showed its distinctive profile and I then for the first time realized the breed's resemblance to Mallards. One of our Goldens is appropriately named Hudson (specifically for the AF 3/16s renditions)(his brothers' names Satchmo and Spencer reflect our other interests). I wonder if any dog owning train buff has ever named their Bull Terrier "Mallard".... Wouldn't that be ducky? Doubled groans for double puns.... Shiffy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38839	From: Don Thompson	Date: 2/15/2006
Subject: Re: Dogs & trains

Dear Art, A bit more on topic, this weekend while we were at the WGH show in Chantilly, VA. Our eldest dropped off his akita puppy ( as much as a 110+ lbs dog can be considered a puppy). He is in the Army and off to Iraq later in the year. Just what we needed another female akita for the warehouse. On tuesday I noticed that she like too watch TV. I put on the Animal Planet channel and the hightlights of the Westminster Kennel Club were on. She jumped out of our bed (yes, king size) and stood a foot away from the screen and watched for over an hour (I fell asleep after about 10 minutes). Don Art Shifrin wrote: > So last evening Marlene and I were watching the final judging at the >Westminster Kennel Club, vainly hoping that finally, a Golden Retriever >would win best in show (one never has). The winner is "Rufus", a >colored Bull Terrier. One of the shots of this handsome dog showed its >distinctive profile and I then for the first time realized the breed's >resemblance to Mallards. > >One of our Goldens is appropriately named Hudson (specifically for the >AF 3/16s renditions)(his brothers' names Satchmo and Spencer reflect our >other interests). I wonder if any dog owning train buff has ever named >their Bull Terrier "Mallard".... > >Wouldn't that be ducky? > >Doubled groans for double puns.... > >Shiffy > > > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >Enjoy thousands of great photos >at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38840	From: Mike	Date: 2/15/2006
Subject: First try, mixed results

Well, I made my first attempt at getting my old trains going, and didn't have much luck. I pulled the pin from the plug on the steam loccomotive and the put the wire into the hole underneath, and when putting the pin back in, the plub broke. I sliced electrical tape in half, put the pin in the plug and wrapped it with the tape. A half a'd rig to say the least, but I wanted to see if the Locomotive ran. No luck. I did absolutly nothing. I turned it over and put it inbetween two books and still, nothing, not even one spark. What I did next will probably make most here cringe. I took the M&StL diesel, put it on the track and put power too it from the transformer. It took off running, but stopped, then started again, and stopped again. Dirty track, I guess, because when I turned it upside down and put the wires from the transformer too the wheels, it ran like a champ!! I had my son working the transformer, and as he turned the knob, I found out there is only one spot on the dial, between 30-40 mph, that actually puts out power. The dial had gotten' broke you see, and probably turned past the two little knobs were it's supposed to stop. So my conclusions were, the diesel is in great running condition, and I think I'll set it aside. I think that I haven't even started to clean track, I thought I had it alright to run on, but the diesel showed me it could be spotty, or the transformer isn't putting power to the track very well, and I need a new one, or both. I have been thinking about swapping the engine to the steamer for one of those can motors, with all the rest of the guts, to get the steamer running. This seems like a reasonable option. I had the whole thing apart cleaning it, and it seems like you can work on them easy enough. It's either that, or get a plug, if possible. I can sodder stuff, so I don't think that would be a problem. Only thing is, it might be a waste of time. I would have thought once I wrapped tape around the plug, it should have had a connection. I also think I need a new transformer, the old one hums, and the cord looks to be in good shape, but it isn't putting out power across the dial, and that scares me. So I seem to think my options so far are, new transformer, plug or new engine for steamer, and clean track more. I'm thinking the wholes in the recieving end for the pins that slide together might not be clean, and I don't know what to do about that yet. Any thoughts on all this?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38841	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 2/15/2006
Subject: Gallery2 Assistant Site Admins

Michael Lueck & Rick Evans have volunteered to help with the albums. I suspect it will take a bit of time for them to figure out Gallery2. If you just need an album and are not looking to me to recover your old photos, or just want to get going on the new, and will deal with the old stuff later. Feel free to contact them. They can create an album for you. I am thinking we will have three areas. 1) Vendors 2) organizations 3) regular folks any other catagories?... Thanks again to Mike and Rick for coming forward. These type of things don't happen unless everybody does there bit. (or is that byte?) Paul [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38842	From: mlmarmer	Date: 2/15/2006
Subject: Re: instruction sheet

Tom and Ben, So the color dye yellow was in short supply due the Korean War, as that would make sense to me. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: TOMmINIL@... To: mlmarmer@... ; toytrains@yahoogroups.com ; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com ; RalCor888@... ; puffntoot@... ; cookster1030@... ; jo@... Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 11:40 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] instruction sheet Yellow may have been used in the Korean War that is what happened to lucky strikes for WW2, they used to be in green tin flat boxes, I have one,. Then they changed color to red Tom [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38843	From: Gerald Dobbs	Date: 2/15/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2951

Question?? Message: 23 Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 08:47:41 -0000 From: "winchester54947" <winchester54947@...> Subject: Hudson motor chassis I have what I believe to be a 322 1948 NYC Hudson SIT reverse in boiler. Centererd on the bottom of the motor chassis are two brass 'poppets' just forward of each two front axles. The front one is spring loaded and sticks out 1/4 inch, the other is flush. Any ideas? Answer: The brass buttons on early locomotives are to trip a track trip similar to the #677. to throw switches, close crossing gates and other operation accessories Jerry 77-11644

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38844	From: tomminil@aol.com	Date: 2/15/2006
Subject: Re: Hudson motor chassis

I understand that those are for a track trip that was never made. A holdover from O gauge. Tom [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38845	From: mlmarmer	Date: 2/15/2006
Subject: Frosty Bar box

The box to my 1950's Frosty Bar has a picture of a lady character from Disney whose name slips my mind at the moment, and it is written, to fill out the form to win a trip to Disney. Not that I am into going to Disney, as I assume this would be CA, as FL site did not exist, the form is gone, as the buyer of this original item, sent it in. So, I see there is no expiration date on the box for this contest. So, I will sent in my 3x5 card to be entered in 2006. Hope I win. LOL Mike Marmer, not going to Disney Land, I don't think anytime soon due to this box.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38846	From: tomminil@aol.com	Date: 2/15/2006
Subject: Re: First try, mixed results

Where do you live? Sounds like you need a house call form a train doctor. Tom [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38847	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 2/15/2006
Subject: Re: Frosty Bar box

CINDY RELLER? BOB ----- Original Message ----- From: "mlmarmer" <mlmarmer@...> To: "Toy Trains" <toytrains@yahoogroups.com>; "TCA Members" <TCA_members_group@yahoogroups.com>; <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; "Ralph Loveless" <RalCor888@...>; "Jeff Snell" <jsnell5990@...>; "cookie flannery" <cookster1030@...>; "Joann Frund" <jo@...> Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 9:02 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Frosty Bar box > The box to my 1950's Frosty Bar has a picture of a lady character from > Disney whose name slips my mind at the moment, and it is written, to fill > out the form to win a trip to Disney. > > Not that I am into going to Disney, as I assume this would be CA, as FL > site > did not exist, the form is gone, as the buyer of this original item, sent > it > in. > > So, I see there is no expiration date on the box for this contest. So, I > will sent in my 3x5 card to be entered in 2006. > > Hope I win. LOL > > Mike Marmer, not going to Disney Land, I don't think anytime soon due to > this box. > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38848	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/15/2006
Subject: Re: First try, mixed results

Mike, Do you know why a transformer hums?? Cuz it doesn't know the words!! Har-har-har. No really, they ALL hum to a certain degree. Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38849	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 2/15/2006
Subject: Re: OK, so why did this empty AF set box sell for over $1000?

In a message dated 2/14/2006 11:07:26 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, waldootten@... writes: $1,026 plus shipping on eBay. AND there's NO set number on the label, either. Can anyone shed some light on this? Here's the link: http://tinyurl.com/8ovwo Phil K Look at the other flyer items listed and the bidders on them..$405 for a 919, $271 for a 977, $169 for a 928????? Looks fishy.. Fred [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38850	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 2/15/2006
Subject: Re: Hudson motor chassis

ITS A 1946 WIYH NYC ON THE TENDER....BRASS PICKUPS REMOVED IN 47....... BOB ----- Original Message ----- From: "winchester54947" <winchester54947@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 3:47 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Hudson motor chassis >I have what I believe to be a 322 1948 NYC Hudson SIT reverse in > boiler. Centererd on the bottom of the motor chassis are two > brass 'poppets' just forward of each two front axles. The front one is > spring loaded and sticks out 1/4 inch, the other is flush. Any ideas? > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38851	From: albert paolozzi	Date: 2/15/2006
Subject: Re: My Little Town

Was it Gene Pitney??? Rats no that was "Town Without Pity" Al Paolozzi --- mlmarmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > The song, My Little Town, in case no has gotten the > person or persons yet, > really describes the area of Pittsburgh better, with > the part about the > dirty breeze from the smoke stacks coming on the > laundry hanging on the > line. > Do you need another clue to this song. LOL > > Mike Marmer > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38852	From: Phil K	Date: 2/15/2006
Subject: Re: OK, so why did this empty AF set box sell for over $1000?

> Look at the other flyer items listed and the bidders on them..$405 for a 919, $271 for a 977, $169 for a 928????? > > Looks fishy.. > > Fred Talk about fishy. You're talking about six auctions for some pretty decent Flyer pieces, based on the photos. But the prices are too high this far in advance of the auction close, IMHO. ONE guy with a history of only ONE eBay purchase is leading ALL SIX of those auctions right now. He's doing a lot of bidding right now. He joined eBay on Feb. 7. Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38853	From: Phil K	Date: 2/15/2006
Subject: Voila! We have an answer to the $1026 set box question!

Got this email this morning: Hi Phil: First of all if you have The Almost Complete Guide to American Flyer S Gauge Sets you would have looked up the box number. Then it gave the set number. Now you go to Robert Bubeck's Price & Rarity Guide, 2nd edition and look up the rarity and price for the set. Then go and look up the prices for each car and engine. If you don't have these books, I suggest you get them. There is a humongous amount of information tied together with these 2 books. I respect the boxed sets, but this is out of my league. There was only one set assigned to this box, 5685RH, a very rare set. Rarity 4+ and booked at $5500. Ed Thanks, Ed! I do have both of those books, but they're upstairs in my home office -- and right now I'm recovering from leg surgery and am stuck on the first floor for another week or so. I'm not sure I'd pay over a G for an empty box, but..... The 5685RH set ("The Vista Dome Limited") contained a 4913 locomotive set (NP PA/PB/PA 490/491/493) plus a 900, 901, two 902s and a 903. Phil

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38854	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 2/15/2006
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] Voila! We have an answer to the $1026 set box quest

I respect the boxed sets, but this is out of my league. There was only one set assigned to this box, 5685RH, a very rare set. Rarity 4+ and booked at $5500. What about the set # 5680RH? Looking at the other items this seller is listing, as he stated he broke up a set, looks as if the box is for this set. Still, a grand for a 484-5-6 sounds a bit much. Fred [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38855	From: Richard Clouse	Date: 2/15/2006
Subject: Re: My Little Town

C'mon guys! Simon and Garfunkel! albert paolozzi <amflyral@...> wrote: Was it Gene Pitney??? Rats no that was "Town Without Pity" Al Paolozzi --- mlmarmer wrote: > The song, My Little Town, in case no has gotten the > person or persons yet, > really describes the area of Pittsburgh better, with > the part about the > dirty breeze from the smoke stacks coming on the > laundry hanging on the > line. > Do you need another clue to this song. LOL > > Mike Marmer > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links CIHIGOYENETCHE, GROSSBERG & CLOUSE Richard R.Clouse | Cihigoyenetche, Grossberg & Clouse | http://www.cgclaw.com 8038 Haven Ave. | Suite E | Rancho Cucamonga, CA 91730 Vox: 909.483.1850 | Fax: 909.483.1840 | E-mail: RiClouse@... - ATTORNEY_CLIENT COMMUNICATION - This communication constitutes an electronic communication within the meaning of the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 USC 2510, and its disclosure is strictly limited to the recipient intended by the sender of this message. This communication contains confidential and privileged material, is protected by the attorney-client and/or the attorney/work product privileges and is for the sole use of the intended recipient and receipt by anyone other than the intended recipient does not constitute a loss of the confidential or privileged nature of the communication. Any review or distribution by others is strictly prohibited. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38856	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 2/15/2006
Subject: Re: Hudson motor chassis

The pick ups on the frame bottom are for the automatic operation of the talking station. I understand that some action rolling stock featured these and all worked off a special track section. I've never seen such a track section, but have seen an old Mystic instruction sheet that referenced such use. - John Marganski --------------------------------- Yahoo! Autos. Looking for a sweet ride? Get pricing, reviews, & more on new and used cars. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38857	From: mlmarmer	Date: 2/15/2006
Subject: 2 in 1 whistle

Okay, after reading that there is two different sounds and someone mentioned the inner workings of it, I see there is a plunger type mechanism that works off the red button and is the louder sound. It was stuck with gunk. I got it cleaned real well and now the plunger works much better. But while on the floor, it still stumbles a bit, but will work. Should I put someone the plunger to make it slide better or keep working on it, to make sure it is really clean. Could take it apart, to get underneath it, but I hate doing that, as knowing, I will make it worse. Mike

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38858	From: Gerald Dobbs	Date: 2/15/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2952

Message: 6 Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 08:54:53 EST From: tomminil@... Subject: Re: Hudson motor chassis I understand that those are for a track trip that was never made. A holdover from O gauge. Tom YES There were a few made, for the #578 & 588 signals, they differed from the O gauge, they had two pickup strips rather than one. Jerry 77-11644

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38859	From: Art Shifrin	Date: 2/15/2006
Subject: Humming transfomrers

AC (alternating current) flip flops its phase regularly. In the case of what emanates from our wall outlets here in the USA, that's 60 times per second. The symmetry and fluidity of this wave can be expressed graphically such as on an oscilloscope. If the wave is NOT a perfectly smooth sine wave, then its aberrations can cause objects through which they pass to vibrate. Two examples of waveforms that are NOT pure sine waves are saw tooth and square waves. Their names suggest their graphic appearance. It would be utterly wasteful for utility companies to filter and otherwise process their feeds to purify their power feeds into sine waves. Any devices that require such refined power sources have their own signal shapers (power conditioners)built in. Or use of such conditioners is specified byt heir manufacturers. Toy train transformers (meaning, traditional ones that feed AC to the trains and accessories) do not require such refinements. I'm not sure if universal motors (such as those used on traditional technology toy trains) would run any more smoothly if fed pure sine waves. I suspect that any improvement wouldn't be worth the additional cost of processing the signal. I DO know that such processing (or lack of it)affects the performance of hysteresis - synchronous motors (AC motors whose speed of rotation are determined by the frequency of the phase) Another factor that would influence the nature of the hum (the tone, timbre, whatever) would be the physical characteristics of the object being vibrated. For example, harmonics are usually generated. So a tranny humming at 60 might also respond at multiples of that frequency. Buzzing is usually a medley of such sounds. Another common example of this phenomenon is the ringing of the filaments of incandescent light bulbs when they're controlled by a dimmer. Typical solid state voltage controllers (such as dimmers) lack precise waveform shaping because of the costs and physcial sizes that would be required to achieve that refinement. Precisely regulated and processed DC does not cause humming because its polarity is constant, not periodic as is AC. Best, Shiffy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38860	From: JOHN EICHMANN	Date: 2/15/2006
Subject: Mailbag velocity

Mike Marmer writes: "Yes, in My Little Town, (quick who had a big hit of a song, with that title in the 1970's, LOL), things are moving along, as the baggage arm is up and mail is being picked up and then later thrown a million miles away from the baggage car!" >>> Sorry, folks, "My Little Town" was not a Simon and Garfunkle song. It was written and performed solo by Paul Simon in 1975, long after my favorite duo had broken up. Mike, your mailbag accessory experience prompts me to tell you that, of all the operating accessories on Lookout Junction (the layout of the Rocky Mountain Hi-Railers), the mailbag pickup is far and away the most popular. We usually enlist folks in the audience to retrieve the bags and replace on the pickup stand, which is on the outer edge of an upper table on the layout, about four inches higher than the table below. Multiple track lines run on both levels. But at a show a few years ago, we lost a bag. We searched all over the layout, on the floor, behind the skirting - it was nowhere to be seen. Finally, we discovered that, as the mailbag had been ejected from the mailcar, it had landed perfectly balanced on the couplers of a train passing in the opposite direction on the table below at that exact moment. Of course, it had been immediately whisked away and around Lookout Junction, not to be noticed for a long time. We got a lot of laughs out of that one, the perfect "three-point shot." YourS, John Eichmann Rocky Mountain Hi-Railers Boise

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38861	From: mlmarmer	Date: 2/15/2006
Subject: Sale

I just pre-ordered the Lionel reproduction of the AF track gang for $71, as they list for 94 or so. But, I got another 3.95 off for their "February is too short sale". So, I just wanted to let anyone know about Island Trains of NY sale, in case you are looking for something. Mike Marmer

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38862	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 2/15/2006
Subject: Google seems to work too

OK, here is a query to pull just the photo album stuff up in Google. Make sure you click on the "cache" link for an entry you are interested in, else it will try to go to the server which is not a hot chicken right now. http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=site%3As-scale.org+inurl%3Aalbums&btnG=Search Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38863	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 2/15/2006
Subject: Photo Album Disaster Recovery

Well, this is not pretty... and for me personally it seems to only get back the initial page of my album... but www.archive.org has scooped up a lot of what was on the old web site. So.... if you are willing to dig you can get things back. Visit that www.archive.org or try this link... http://web.archive.org/web/20040730073436/www.s-scale.org/albums/ (Goto page 2) http://web.archive.org/web/20041015074450/s-scale.org/albums/modelrail http://web.archive.org/web/20041025125553/s-scale.org/albums/album07 And find your album... Not perfect, but more than nothing. (Oh, which I should try Google's cache server too.... how it is when you know too much. 'Honey, it's dinner time....' two hours later 'It's getting cold.') Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38864	From: Phil K	Date: 2/15/2006
Subject: More on $1026 empty set box

Hi Fred: Went to the "Guide" and there are 2 line entries for B1N989. One as an Interstate Box for set 5680RH and the second line with no information for sets 5680RH and 5685RH. Didn't look for a 2nd entry, my error. Smaller print is getting harder to read at night these days. Set 5680RH is listed as a rarity 4 for a list of $2700 and it does match the cars he has for sale. With this set value as such, the bidding is way out of hand in relation to the individual piece pricing and what the box sold for. This is why the Guide is only a guide. My assumption would have been for the box buyer buying it for the 5685RH because there were no other markings on the box or that he already had the 5680RH set that he had purchased for a lower price and just needed the box for either set. Too bad we can't ask the buyer why he paid that for it. Ed -------Original Message------- From: fredstrainparts@... Date: 02/15/06 11:20:07 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] Voila! We have an answer to the $1026 set box question! I respect the boxed sets, but this is out of my league. There was only one set assigned to this box, 5685RH, a very rare set. Rarity 4+ and booked at $5500. What about the set # 5680RH? Looking at the other items this seller is listing, as he stated he broke up a set, looks as if the box is for this set. Still, a grand for a 484-5-6 sounds a bit much. Fred

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38865	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/15/2006
Subject: Re: Photo Album Disaster Recovery

Out of ALL my albums,......I was only able to find a few photos! :^( Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38866	From: mlmarmer	Date: 2/15/2006
Subject: Re: Mailbag velocity

John, Great story about the mail bag. Someone emailed me today and he put a post office on his layout to catch the bag! Yes, Paul Simon wrote the song, but they sung it together, as it was on Simon's LP Still Crazy and on Garfunkel LP Breakaway, both in 1975. Mike

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38867	From: Jay E. Mellon	Date: 2/15/2006
Subject: Mold and Trains, Real or Virtual?

All, I have been following some of these threads with interest the last several days. My intention is not repeat what has been posted, but augment it. As has been posted, Gilbert apparently used stearic acid (a fatty acid) as a mold (as in parts) release agent at the time of manufacture. Sometimes, the white residue seen on couplers, wheels, etc. is mistaken for biological "mold" (ie. fungus). Not to worry. As has been posted, there is a VERY low risk from obtaining biological infectious agents from model trains. These models are much more susceptible to normal physico-chemical processes such as metal corrosion. I do have some knowledge of filamentous fungi, as well, as I have worked with them on a professional basis for 25 years. While the synthetic plastics from which our models are constructed are not susceptible to their activities, the packaging used in the 1950s and 1960s (cardboard and paper) can be, given the proper conditions. My advice for proper storage of model trains to avoid fungal problems: HUMIDITY CONTROL. To get back to the stearic acid residue problem, my Merck Index indicates it has a melting point of 70 C (about 160 F). That temperature is considerably above hot tap water. I believe the strategy is to convert the stearic acid to a liquid and then sop it up with a paper tower or rag. To avoid damage to the afflicted model, I would definitely separate the body from the floor/frame/truck/coupler assembly to try this approach. Good luck! 'S'incerely, Jay Mellon Stoneville, MS

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38868	From: mlmarmer	Date: 2/15/2006
Subject: Re: Funny exchange over at the TCA TTLM

David, Now now, be nice to those who think track is 3 rail, for they can not help this illness they have with O. The count on that list for S people is 5, but only 3 of us, are full time S. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Dewey" <djdewey@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 12:32 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Funny exchange over at the TCA TTLM > HI all, I'm pasting together a series of postings, looks like us S gaugers > are "rockin' th' boat" over there!! :) > Subject: 1952 American Flyer Yard King > > << I have the 343 Yard King that I want to sell; my question is did > the 343 set come with transformer, track and accessories? Dale Locke >> > > #343 was the number of a Nickel Plate 0-8-0 locomotive and tender; 1953 > was the first year the engine was sold with that number, and also the > first year the set was called "Yard King". In 1953-1954 the set > consisted of loco and tender, #953R combine, #934 floodlight car, #944 > crane car and #945 boom car. The set came with 12 curved track > sections, 4 straight sections, an uncoupler, and a 75 watt > transformer. In 1955 the engine number was changed to #346 indicating > a whistle tender. In 1956-1957 the engine was again #343 without > whistle, and the train included an operating lumber car instead of the > combine. > > "Yard King" included no accessories. > > As a youngster I remember being impressed that A C Gilbert included a > combine in this train for the crew to ride in. It was a wrecker train, > sent out in emergencies to deal with derailments; the combine was for > employees, not for paying passengers as in a mixed train. > > No other postwar manufacturer included this touch of realism. > > Joseph Lechner > ------- > Subject: 1952 American Flyer Yard King > > I always assumed that railroad employees slept in the work cabooses of > Lionel's work trains. > > Chip > Owner of a one-owner 1948 Lionel 2143WS Deluxe Work Train set > --------- > > Subject: 1952 American Flyer Yard King > > << I always assumed that railroad employees slept in the work cabooses > of Lionel's work trains. Chip >> > > I can see the cartoon now... disheveled, grumpy track gangs emerging > from a tool-strewn, unlighted work caboose with no glass in the > windows, grousing about how much better the Gilbert track gangs have it. > > Note to Gene Anstine: > > you could stage a mock strike, where the plastic employees on your O > gauge layout are picketing for better living conditions like the > plastic S gauge employees who work across the aisle. > > Joseph Lechner > > See?? Even our make-believe track gangs think Flyer is best!!! :) > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38869	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 2/15/2006
Subject: Re: OK, so why did this empty AF set box sell for over $1000?

He also bid 1725.00 for a 4856 set...... with wrappers...... I am about ready to put up my 21910 set with all the boxes and shipping box..... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phil K" <waldootten@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 1:27 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: OK, so why did this empty AF set box sell for over $1000? >> Look at the other flyer items listed and the bidders on them..$405 > for a 919, $271 for a 977, $169 for a 928????? >> >> Looks fishy.. >> >> Fred > > > Talk about fishy. You're talking about six auctions for some pretty > decent Flyer pieces, based on the photos. But the prices are too high > this far in advance of the auction close, IMHO. > > ONE guy with a history of only ONE eBay purchase is leading ALL SIX of > those auctions right now. He's doing a lot of bidding right now. He > joined eBay on Feb. 7. > > Phil K > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38870	From: James Hannawald	Date: 2/15/2006
Subject: Re: My Little Town

Mike, The following is the last exchange I had from a guy on the Plasticville list about where there miught be an orginal full size Frosty Bar. This was a couple years ago. I kept it as a reference, since I do go to New Castle a lot. I still haven't found this one. "I'm in northern Delaware just south of Wilmington. This is an old Tasty Freeze stand. I remember years ago sitting on the stools out front, but they are long gone. But the main building is still there with glass front at the counter complete with flat roof slanted to the rear. Its on a super busy road thats under construction at the time so pictures would be hard to do right now." I can remember seeing one like this just south of the New Castle airport on Rt. 13 in Delaware, several years ago. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "mlmarmer" <mlmarmer@...> To: "Toy Trains" <toytrains@yahoogroups.com>; "TCA Members" <TCA_members_group@yahoogroups.com>; <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; "cookie flannery" <cookster1030@...>; "Jeff Snell" <jsnell5990@...>; "Ralph Loveless" <RalCor888@...>; "Joann Frund" <jo@...> Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 8:12 PM Subject: [S-Trains] My Little Town > Yes, in My Little Town, (quick who had a big hit of a song, with that title > in the 1970's, LOL), things are moving along, as the baggage arm is up and > mail is being picked up and then later thrown a million miles away from the > baggage car! > > But, if you think Lionel and MTH are competition to each other, you haven't > seen anything yet! > > As, reported, I have a plasticville, 1950 style , Frosty Bar (yellow and > white) up and running at a intersection of my US 30 and some other unknown > street to be determine later! > > But down that unknown named street, not too far away from that intersection, > by the Plastic Farm and produce stand, a pink and white Frosty Bar, was > opened today by the owners of the farm. What the heck, it is only February. > > Anyway, things could start to get ugly here with maybe a friendly price way > on high calorie ice cream and Maple Donuts, official donut of TCA! I hope > it does not lead to violence!!!! > > Mike Marmer > Staying in MD, where no Frosty Bars exist. > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38871	From: mlmarmer	Date: 2/15/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2949

Thanks, as you have answered many of my questions in the past. I got the sliding plate to work, as it had gunk on it. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gerald Dobbs" <grdobbs@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 10:44 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 2949 > > > Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 22:24:50 -0500 > From: "mlmarmer" <mlmarmer@...> > Subject: 2 in 1 whistle > > Could someone explain what the 2 in 1 whistle is? > > I have one, as both buttons do the same whistle on mine. > > Thanks, > > Mike > > > > Mike: the two in one whistle leaves a little bit to imagination. The > whistle unit is a typical two tone chamber whistle as used in all the > whistling bill boards, except it has a sliding plate that closes off one > chamber when the second button is pushed and blows just a single tone. > > Jerry 77-11644 > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38872	From: David Girson	Date: 2/15/2006
Subject: S N S Can Motor Instructions

Can someone please email me installation instructions for the DC can motors from S N S. I know they are drop in but I'm not sure of the wiring part. Thanks, David

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38873	From: Phil K	Date: 2/15/2006
Subject: Re: S N S Can Motor Instructions

> Can someone please email me installation instructions for the DC can > motors from S N S. I know they are drop in but I'm not sure of the > wiring part. > Thanks, > David The wiring is pretty simple. If you are running an AC transformer, you need to install a rectifier or Dallee reverse unit between the track power and the can motor, usually in the tender. If you use a rectifier tied in with the Flyer E-unit, connect the two wires on the can motor to the two DC outputs on the rectifier. If using a Dallee electronic reverse unit, connect the two wires on the can motor to the appropriate wires on the Dallee unit (which has a built-in rectifier circuit). If your train's first movement is in reverse, switch the wires. If you are running a DC operation, connect the two wires on the can motor to the two leads off the track (thru the tender pickups). That's about it in a nutshell, if I remember correctly. Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38874	From: Alex Sibbald	Date: 2/15/2006
Subject: 919

Hi gang, I admit that I don't understand $1000 for an empty, tore up, deteriorating set box that wasn't manufactured by A.C.Gilbert because I don't collect cardboard. However what am I missing on the 919 set that just went out for over $400. They usually sell for slightly over $100 in better condition than this set which looks rather dowdy. My books only show one 919 without any variations. Is it just another real lucky day for the same seller? Alex

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38875	From: Jenni Sipla	Date: 2/16/2006
Subject: Re: Hudson motor chassis

That is correct 1946 was the only year the brass buttons where found on af trains like my 312 sit. Unfortunatly the track trip they where designed to be used with was never made. Although this was unfortunate for the collector, it was fortunate for the operator that gilbert had a better idea in the 696 track trip. bret ROBERT ALLEN CONNER <rcon7@...> wrote: ITS A 1946 WIYH NYC ON THE TENDER....BRASS PICKUPS REMOVED IN 47....... BOB ----- Original Message ----- From: "winchester54947" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 3:47 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Hudson motor chassis >I have what I believe to be a 322 1948 NYC Hudson SIT reverse in > boiler. Centererd on the bottom of the motor chassis are two > brass 'poppets' just forward of each two front axles. The front one is > spring loaded and sticks out 1/4 inch, the other is flush. Any ideas? > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38876	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/16/2006
Subject: Frosty Bar Price War

Hmm, Mike, I'd get interested if they started a Funnel Cake price war!! Now we're talkin'!!! S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38877	From: winchester54947	Date: 2/16/2006
Subject: Erie 646 floodlight

Is there any hope of ever finding a replacement light assembly?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38878	From: mlmarmer	Date: 2/16/2006
Subject: Re: Frosty Bar Price War

David, The Frosty Bars will have that PA delicacy of Funnel Cake. Need to add a Maple Donut Shoppe. Nothing healthy in my little town. LOL Mike

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38879	From: WEG138@aol.com	Date: 2/16/2006
Subject: Re: photographing model trains

Gentlemen: I have in the last few years seen many photographs of model train layouts. Most of them are lacking in that the area close to the camera is well lighted, but the distant area is dark. I believe that better photos can be made by using slave units. There are now slave units that can be used in standard AC sockets. I have a camera store catalog in front of me that shows simple units that cost from $32.50 to $99.95. They could be placed in a lamp just for usage. If you plan on using one I recommend that you do not put it directly in the background. There are many potential problems in doing this. Start out by using it in a high position and with an angle of about 45 or 135 degrees between the camera and the subject. There are also light stands and reflectors available. For those who are lucky enough to belong to an S club I recommend you have your club discuss it and see if the club might want to purchase a unit. This system is not practical for most macro photography. I hope this helps. Bill Greaves [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38880	From: Don Rodgers Sr.	Date: 2/16/2006
Subject: Re: Address

Just wanted to let you all know that I finely got my address changed to the right name. Thanks Don Rodgers [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38881	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/16/2006
Subject: Re: Photo Album Disaster Recovery

***(((Out of ALL my albums,......I was only able to find a few photos!)))**** Forget what I said, I couldn't salvage anything!! :^( Startin' over though! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38882	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 2/16/2006
Subject: Lionel, K-line Merger

It appears as if Lionel will absorb K-line as part of the settlement. Lionel plans to keep the K-line mark alive. Read more on the OGR post here: http://ogaugerr.infopop.cc/groupee/forums/a/tpc/f/57660482/m/3981090473 Carl

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38883	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 2/16/2006
Subject: Re: Lionel Purchasing K-Line

Well wonder what Lionel will do with the oversized K-Line S gauge cars? I am sure they will ditch the S gauge program that K-Line started. Food for thought I don't use the regular AF track, but K-line did have that track on the market, would be good if Lionel will sell and perhaps put out some new switches etc? Jerry Matsick

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38884	From: Rick	Date: 2/16/2006
Subject: Humming transformers

Shiffy, Your analysis of humming transformers was excellent. The only thing missing was a discussion of how sine waves can be easily described by using Fourier series and Laplace transforms. It's also important to note that an old transformer with old lose core laminations will hum in the presence of even a pure sine wave. Harmonics, as you pointed out, will make the humming less musical, but an old tranformer will hum and get warmer than a new one. As a safety note the winding insulation of older transformers can break down and cause increased heat and a possible shock hazard. It is for that reason I retired my old transformer and converted to DC. There are many inexpensive DC power packs that will work well and be completely safe. Rick

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38885	From: Neil Trump	Date: 2/16/2006
Subject: Re: Lionel Purchasing K-Line

So, Lionel swallows up K-line, does this mean that MTH will swallow up Lionel for a settlement? > Well wonder what Lionel will do with the oversized K-Line S gauge cars? > I am sure they will ditch the S gauge program that K-Line started. > Food for thought I don't use the regular AF track, but K-line > did have that track on the market, would be good if Lionel will sell > and perhaps put out some new switches etc? > > Jerry Matsick > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38886	From: mlmarmer	Date: 2/16/2006
Subject: Lamplighter

Any opinions on the Lionel or MTH Gabe Lamplighter. Either fine? One over the other. Both the same. Happy with either, if you have one, of either make. Thanks, I appreciate any answers. No protesting today at the Frosty Bars in my little town. Mike

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38887	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 2/16/2006
Subject: Re: Humming transformers

----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick" <piecon@...> . . . . . . . . It's also important to note that an old transformer with old lose core laminations will hum in the presence of even a pure sine wave.. . . . . . . . . . . . . . > > > > > > > > And it should be humming about a quarter-tone above the third B flat below middle C. Tom Hawley

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38888	From: Gerald Dobbs	Date: 2/16/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2951

Answer: Sorry: but you have been misinformed. The brass buttons were indeed put on the 1946 ( Intel the supply of chassis run out in 47 ) locomotive to trip operating track equipment, such as the #720 swishes ( not to be confused with the #720A ), searchlight signal and semaphore. This is one of A.C. Giblet's ideas.. He had a layout set up for his nephew that used this system. Their are several articles written about this and other Flyer innovations. The prewar Chassis ( the three rail ) uses a sliding contact similar to Lionel's, the "46" Chassie is new for "46. In "winchester54947" inquire both buttons have a spring. Using Giblet's button system, the chassie must be grounded, which causes electrical problems. the newer chassis are insulated from the electronics. All three Gilbert, Lionel, Marx, Hefner, and others, developed many basics that we enjoy to day. Wolf and K-line are adding to this with new theology which we could not have imagined when we were playing trains in the "30" & "40" Believe me I have been in "toy trains" Model trains, all trains since the "30" had a Lionel repair station # 313 in Denver,recovered many trains from the dumps. EXPERT?? HEXX NO !! I find something new every time I open up a toy, Some factory, some consumer, conversions, unbelievable! The only person who could tell what was going out the door at the factory was Murray Romer, an extremely nice gentleman, with the Flyer line many years, and some of his recollections may be questioned. That is what makes our hobby fun, enjoy. Don't take it to seriously!! It is a hobby. Investment ( if you feel that way ), One of a kind ( Every run was different) . Investing YES !! Fun, YES. Meet unbelievable nice people YES, a fun group YES, all the same age?? Well maybe. but Fun. I must relate a intendant in evolving a member of our list Mike Marmer, I met him this list, He and his wife took me on a fantastic bike trip along the C & O cannel tow path. I don't have the time to list the many that I have met thru this S-Gugae line group,( I would have to list all of you ) Edward G WROTE On Thu, 16 Feb 2006 03:52:21 -0000 "Edward G." <am-flyr@...> writes: > The Brass buttons were for power pick up from the 3rd rail since they > > tooled down the O stuff for the first run of S guage ....not for > pickups > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Gerald Dobbs <grdobbs@...> wrote: > > > > Question?? > > > > Message: 23 > > Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 08:47:41 -0000 > > From: "winchester54947" <winchester54947@...> > > Subject: Hudson motor chassis > > > > I have what I believe to be a 322 1948 NYC Hudson SIT reverse in > > boiler. Centererd on the bottom of the motor chassis are two > > brass 'poppets' just forward of each two front axles. The front > one > is > > spring loaded and sticks out 1/4 inch, the other is flush. Any > ideas? > > > > > > Answer: The brass buttons on early locomotives are to trip a track > > trip > > similar to the #677. to throw switches, close crossing gates and > other > > operation accessories > > > > Jerry 77-11644 > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38889	From: TWesthelle@aol.com	Date: 2/16/2006
Subject: Re: 919

I have noticed the EBay prices for some reason have gone balistic. Dont understand who it is or why they are buy at the unbelievable prices that are paid. Last night cars going in the range of $300 to $400 for common boxcars, and the 919. Wow, get me that mans name!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Tom Westhelle Oviedo, FL [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38890	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 2/16/2006
Subject: Re;Lionel purchasing K-Line

When this was last discussed a few weeks ago, someone asked if S- Helper or American Models would buy K-Line. At that time I said I thought Lionel would be a better fit. I still believe this is so, however, that doesn't necessarily mean it will be good for S gaugers. While Lionel/K-line works well for O gauge, I don't think Lionel will continue manufacture of any of the K- Line S gauge product. Lionel already makes "American Flyer" and have even shown commitment to making a few all new S products under that banner. They have no need for the outsized K-Line/Marx cars or the little 4 wheel diesel. Making the S gauged version of the grossly over scale Porter would be plain stupid, especially when they already have the Docksider in production. The only item K-Line made in S gauge that would make sense for Lionel would be track. What Lionel keeps in the O gauge line will depend on tooling and what was ordered before K-Line went under. There may also be contract commitments with the manufacturer in the orient. It could be interesting to watch what transpires. Stumpy Stone...just my two cents worth...Martins Ferry, Ohio

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38891	From: nycnkperie	Date: 2/16/2006
Subject: 2006 Spring S Spree

Hi all, Anyone wanting to attend the 2006 Spring S Spree, you might want to check out the CVSGA web site at www.cvsga.org. This year should be a good one for the wives, as we will be in the heart of Ohio's Amish country. Matt Ward CVSGA Web Master

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38892	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 2/16/2006
Subject: Humming transfomrers

The loose lamination theory is probably the best answer to this problem. Most radio transformers were tightly bolted together with a strong cover on one end and the radio chasis on the other helping to keep them tight. AF transformers of the cheaper variety only have spring clips so it is not surprising if a number of them hum. The question of light dimmers has arisen. What sort of output do they give? Is it a modified ac or is it a pulsed dc? I am using one on an electric blanket transformer to run my Flyers and used one years ago to run them three rail things. Is there a problem with spiking affecting the armeteurs on the motors? I dont worry about the occasional strange noise from the transformer as it does not run hot. Alistair

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38893	From: Scott Holm	Date: 2/16/2006
Subject: Re: Lamplighter

I have both. The MTH version is faithful to the original, which includes the control unit. There is a button to get Gabe to climb, and another button to turn on the lamp, which you twist to make it stay on, and then turn the opposite direction to release and turn it off. And then there is a third, smaller button between the other two, which makes Gabe slide down the ladder to the bottom. To operate it, you push the climb button several times until Gabe reaches the top, and then push the other button and twist it to turn on the light. Then you push the little button to make Gabe slide down. This accessory is better suited to being operated by the head engineer. The Lionel version is different from the original in that it automatically turns the light on or off when Gabe reaches the top, so it has only two buttons, one to climb and one to slide down. This version is more appropriate for being operated by your layout visitors because all they have to do is push the climb button until the light goes on. One problem many had with this version is that it is a challenge to get Gabe to the top. You have to hit the button repeatedly like a drummer to get Gabe to climb all the way to the top and not fall back. You can correct this with adjustments to the mechanism, but it is also fun to just leave it so that people have to work at it to get Gabe to the top of the ladder. If you're going to operate it yourself, get the MTH version, and if you get it for an interactive layout for visitors to operate, get the Lionel version. I like both of them. mlmarmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: Any opinions on the Lionel or MTH Gabe Lamplighter. Either fine? One over the other. Both the same. Happy with either, if you have one, of either make. Thanks, I appreciate any answers. --------------------------------- Yahoo! Autos. Looking for a sweet ride? Get pricing, reviews, & more on new and used cars. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38894	From: Bruce D. Willis	Date: 2/16/2006
Subject: Layout photos and diagrams

I've reloaded my layout photos on Paul's new site. I've also added an album with various layout designs I've done for small layouts. I need to work on the captions, but the stuff is at least there for viewing. http://s-scale.org/albums/main.php?g2_view=core.ShowItem&g2_itemId=548 - Bruce

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38895	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 2/16/2006
Subject: Re: Re;Lionel purchasing K-Line

You got it. ;-) Bob Bubeck In a message dated 2/16/2006 6:25:34 PM Eastern Standard Time, mrstumpy@... writes: The only item K-Line made in S gauge that would make sense for Lionel would be track. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38896	From: FEZANDPAZ@aol.com	Date: 2/16/2006
Subject: Re: Re;Lionel purchasing K-Line

I am so disgusted with Lionel and it's business practices [over the decades] that I hope MTH puts Lionel out of business once and for all time! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38897	From: mlmarmer	Date: 2/16/2006
Subject: Engines questions

Now that I figured out the 2 in 1 whistle, as it working fine now, I have some engine question. They are all Hudson's. Engine 1 This is a 21130 that runs and smokes great. The problem here is the light in the boiler. The light does not shine through the lens, due to the round piece of copper, you see in boilers. Usually, it is a half circle. This is a full round circle, so the top of the circle is blocking the light. Suggestions? Engine 2 does not smoke, runs and choo choo's but runs not at the fastest rate. I know there is something called a Smoke Wick. Is that usually the reason, as it might need to be replaced? If so, it that difficult to do? Engine 3 Tender gets current, as I can hear the tender speaker make noise. But no power to the engine, including the light. It is a 326 and the wire plug is in fine. No broken wires, that I can see. Also, since these engines have not been run for many years, I guess they need to be cleaned and re-greased and lubed. Is that something I could do, as I never done this before. Thanks, Mike Marmer

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38898	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 2/16/2006
Subject: FYI Ross Custom Switches for S

I decided to give Ross Custom Switches a ring today as their web site STILL says "coming soon" for the S #4 switches. Turns out they are in normal production, just sold out actually. I have been promised a pic via email... will see... Just thought I would get word around. Maybe someone on the list purchased from them... and could share a pic... hint hint! ;-) Otherwise... any other suggestions for a #4 (or #6) that works with AF track and road bed? Thanks, Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38899	From: mlmarmer	Date: 2/16/2006
Subject: mail bag car

I got my wife down to "My Little Town" and show her how the mail baggage pick up car works. As it takes up that mail bar real fast and throws its out real fast! She laughed when that bag went flying! It was good therapy for her, as she got the pins out of her foot today. She said that the disbursing of the mail bag reminded her of drug running, like it was being thrown out real fast and far away! 2 in 1 whistle working fine now. Mike Marmer

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38900	From: Phil K	Date: 2/16/2006
Subject: Re: Engines questions

Mike -- Sounds like you should have a multi-tester on your list for Christmas next year. They are invaluable when trying to track down and isolate bad solder joints, shorted wires, etc. Sure makes the detective work easy. Easy to replace the wick & nichrome wire in a Gilbert smoke unit. Yes, it is fairly easy to clean and lube these old soldiers and get 'em grunting again. Don't be afraid to dive right in. Just make a note of where every little piece goes when you start taking things apart. (I use a digital camera to record disassembly so I have something to go back to -- just in case.) Instructions for proper maintenance are found in any Flyer instruction book and in several places on the Internet. Just use the correct oils and grease and make sure you lube all of the spots. I can't tell you how many non- working bargains I've bought at train shows where all they needed was a little TLC. Phil K ************************************************************* --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mlmarmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > Now that I figured out the 2 in 1 whistle, as it working fine now, I have > some engine question. They are all Hudson's. > > Engine 1 This is a 21130 that runs and smokes great. The problem here is > the light in the boiler. The light does not shine through the lens, due to > the round piece of copper, you see in boilers. Usually, it is a half > circle. This is a full round circle, so the top of the circle is blocking > the light. Suggestions? > > Engine 2 does not smoke, runs and choo choo's but runs not at the fastest > rate. I know there is something called a Smoke Wick. Is that usually the > reason, as it might need to be replaced? If so, it that difficult to do? > > Engine 3 Tender gets current, as I can hear the tender speaker make noise. > But no power to the engine, including the light. It is a 326 and the wire > plug is in fine. No broken wires, that I can see. > > Also, since these engines have not been run for many years, I guess they > need to be cleaned and re-greased and lubed. Is that something I could do, > as I never done this before. > > Thanks, > > Mike Marmer >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38901	From: Phil K	Date: 2/16/2006
Subject: Guys switching from O to S on CTT forum

Some interesting reading on S, the ideal-sized scale: http://www.trains.com/community/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=58564

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38902	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 2/17/2006
Subject: Re: Voila! We have an answer to the $1026 set box question!

Phil...... Its crazy what collectors will do to complete a set...... i just paid more than 100.00 more for a set.......What I really wanted the set box!!!!!!.... Now I have the whole set I first got in 1948 as a kid....... with all the boxes....... Inner and outer..... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phil K" <waldootten@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 1:48 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Voila! We have an answer to the $1026 set box question! > Got this email this morning: > > Hi Phil: > > First of all if you have The Almost Complete Guide to American Flyer > S Gauge Sets you would have looked up the box number. Then it gave > the set number. > > Now you go to Robert Bubeck's Price & Rarity Guide, 2nd edition and > look up the rarity and price for the set. Then go and look up the > prices for each car and engine. If you don't have these books, I > suggest you get them. There is a humongous amount of information > tied together with these 2 books. > > I respect the boxed sets, but this is out of my league. There was > only one set assigned to this box, 5685RH, a very rare set. Rarity > 4+ and booked at $5500. > > Ed > > Thanks, Ed! I do have both of those books, but they're upstairs in > my home office -- and right now I'm recovering from leg surgery and > am stuck on the first floor for another week or so. I'm not sure I'd > pay over a G for an empty box, but..... > > The 5685RH set ("The Vista Dome Limited") contained a 4913 > locomotive set (NP PA/PB/PA 490/491/493) plus a 900, 901, two 902s > and a 903. > > Phil > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38903	From: tomminil@aol.com	Date: 2/17/2006
Subject: Re: 919

Those prices were paid for a specific set; reasons? Maybe the buyer had the set as a youngster and wanted it back? Maybe two guys were fighting over and it went to the high bidder, like an estate? Could similar items be purchased cheaper yes. Why did those particular items go so high? Why so high to a seemingly new bidder?. It was a complete boxed set, maybe the bidders knew the former owner? I believe those prices were paid for that set, and that set alone. In statistics you would call that an outlier, something observed that defies commonsense. Tha set had special value to two people for some reason. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38904	From: Mike Vana	Date: 2/17/2006
Subject: Did Any Other Ebay buyers get a message like this?

I got the following message in my e-mail this morning. It looks legitimate, but does anybody know if this is real? I blanked out the phone number, but the rest I left alone. Did anybody else get this message? Mike Vana Omaha, NE. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dear Trainz Customer, I am forwarding you this message on behalf of one of our sellers who is hoping to recover some of his collection. Sincerely, Scott Griggs ------------------------------------------------------------------------ February 16, 2006 Dear Mike, A few months ago, my brother passed away and his Trains were sold in an estate sale without my knowledge. The trains were treasured greatly by everyone in my family and have sentimental value. I am hoping to buy back as much of the collection as I can. All of my brother's trains were sold to Trainz and they in turn resold them. According to their records you purchased at least one of those items. Previously Mr. Scott Griggs of Trainz, sent emails to a few people who had purchased some key items from the collection and so far, I've received a good response on most of the items. If you are in possession of one of the trains listed below, I trust you may find it in your heart to allow me to purchase the below trains back from you. AF 962 Hamilton Vista Dome Car (eBay: 6005030046) If you have any questions or wish to discuss a sale price, please feel free to call me collect at xxx-xxx-xxxx.. If you'd rather use email, my Email address is Irismdf@.... If you prefer writing, my address is as follows: Ken Warburton 160 Rutland Road Hempstead, NY 11550 Thank you for your consideration, and I would appreciate hearing from you, either way, in the next 20 days. Sincerely, Ken Warburton

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38905	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 2/17/2006
Subject: Re: Did Any Other Ebay buyers get a message like this?

Mike I didn't receive this email...... I am scared to supply any info to those I don't know...... If you did buy the item It could be legit..... If not you could be giving away the location of your stuff........ use caution..... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Vana" <amflyer@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 9:10 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Did Any Other Ebay buyers get a message like this? >I got the following message in my e-mail this morning. It looks legitimate, > but does anybody know if this is real? I blanked out the phone number, > but the rest I left alone. > > Did anybody else get this message? > > Mike Vana Omaha, NE. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Dear Trainz Customer, > > I am forwarding you this message on behalf of one of our sellers who is > hoping to recover some > of his collection. > > Sincerely, > Scott Griggs > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > February 16, 2006 > > Dear Mike, > > A few months ago, my brother passed away and his Trains were sold in an > estate sale without my > knowledge. The trains were treasured greatly by everyone in my family and > have sentimental > value. I am hoping to buy back as much of the collection as I can. > > All of my brother's trains were sold to Trainz and they in turn resold > them. According to > their records you purchased at least one of those items. Previously Mr. > Scott Griggs of > Trainz, sent emails to a few people who had purchased some key items from > the collection and > so far, I've received a good response on most of the items. If you are in > possession of one > of the trains listed below, I trust you may find it in your heart to allow > me to purchase the > below trains back from you. > > AF 962 Hamilton Vista Dome Car (eBay: 6005030046) > > If you have any questions or wish to discuss a sale price, please feel > free to call me collect > at xxx-xxx-xxxx.. > > If you'd rather use email, my Email address is Irismdf@.... > > If you prefer writing, my address is as follows: > > Ken Warburton > 160 Rutland Road > Hempstead, NY 11550 > > Thank you for your consideration, and I would appreciate hearing from you, > either way, in the > next 20 days. > > Sincerely, > Ken Warburton > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38906	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/17/2006
Subject: Re: Engines questions

***((Engine 2 does not smoke, runs and choo choo's but runs not at the fastest rate. I know there is something called a Smoke Wick. Is that usually the reason, as it might need to be replaced? If so, it that difficult to do?)))*** Sometimes, the wick and be "cleaned" by squirtin' some TV tuner cleaner in there. It helps free up the gunk glogging the wick. Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38907	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 2/17/2006
Subject: Re: Did Any Other Ebay buyers get a message like this?

On Feb 17, 2006, at 10:53 AM, ROBERT ALLEN CONNER wrote: > Mike I didn't receive this email...... I am scared to supply any > info to > those I don't know...... If you did buy the item It could be > legit..... If > not you could be giving away the location of your stuff........ use > caution..... Bob > - >> >> Thank you for your consideration, and I would appreciate hearing >> from you, >> either way, in the >> next 20 days. I would be very careful with this. He says he wants to here from you in the next 20 days. Why the time limit? Also he says either way. Why would he want to hear from you if you did not buy any of the stuff? Be Careful. Thank you Larry Jackman ljack70117@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38908	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 2/17/2006
Subject: Re: Did Any Other Ebay buyers get a message like this?

Another thought....... If I wuld have sold the stuff I would have contacted the people to ask them..... So as not to disclose the buyers identys....... I don't think Trainz would give out information like that ? Bob Next you will find you won the lottery..... send 50,000 for a 10 million check...... HA HA ----- Original Message ----- From: <ljack70117@...> To: "ROBERT ALLEN CONNER" <rcon7@...> Cc: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; "Mike Vana" <amflyer@...> Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 11:29 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Did Any Other Ebay buyers get a message like this? > > On Feb 17, 2006, at 10:53 AM, ROBERT ALLEN CONNER wrote: > >> Mike I didn't receive this email...... I am scared to supply any info to >> those I don't know...... If you did buy the item It could be legit..... >> If >> not you could be giving away the location of your stuff........ use >> caution..... Bob >> - >>> >>> Thank you for your consideration, and I would appreciate hearing from >>> you, >>> either way, in the >>> next 20 days. > > I would be very careful with this. He says he wants to here from you in > the next 20 days. Why the time limit? Also he says either way. Why would > he want to hear from you if you did not buy any of the stuff? > Be Careful. > Thank you > Larry Jackman > ljack70117@... > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38909	From: Roy Inman	Date: 2/17/2006
Subject: Re: Did Any Other Ebay buyers get a message like this?

Well, the man already has Mike's email, and his name. For $25.00 there is a service (maybe more than one) that claims to be able to find ANYONE with just that information. (Hmmmm...wonder if anyone has tried Osama...?). But I suppose that those with the intent of doing bad...but my point is that the person already has enough information to find Mike, or any of us for that matter. He can only guess at the extent and value of our various collections, assuming we have any. So, naive question though it may be, what is the harm in letting him know whether Mike has the car, one way or the other? Roy I > From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER <rcon7@...> > Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 10:53:23 -0500 > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Mike Vana <amflyer@...> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Did Any Other Ebay buyers get a message like this? > > Mike I didn't receive this email...... I am scared to supply any info to > those I don't know...... If you did buy the item It could be legit..... If > not you could be giving away the location of your stuff........ use > caution..... Bob > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mike Vana" <amflyer@...> > To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 9:10 AM > Subject: [S-Trains] Did Any Other Ebay buyers get a message like this? > > >> I got the following message in my e-mail this morning. It looks legitimate, >> but does anybody know if this is real? I blanked out the phone number, >> but the rest I left alone. >> >> Did anybody else get this message? >> >> Mike Vana Omaha, NE. >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> Dear Trainz Customer, >> >> I am forwarding you this message on behalf of one of our sellers who is >> hoping to recover some >> of his collection. >> >> Sincerely, >> Scott Griggs >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> February 16, 2006 >> >> Dear Mike, >> >> A few months ago, my brother passed away and his Trains were sold in an >> estate sale without my >> knowledge. The trains were treasured greatly by everyone in my family and >> have sentimental >> value. I am hoping to buy back as much of the collection as I can. >> >> All of my brother's trains were sold to Trainz and they in turn resold >> them. According to >> their records you purchased at least one of those items. Previously Mr. >> Scott Griggs of >> Trainz, sent emails to a few people who had purchased some key items from >> the collection and >> so far, I've received a good response on most of the items. If you are in >> possession of one >> of the trains listed below, I trust you may find it in your heart to allow >> me to purchase the >> below trains back from you. >> >> AF 962 Hamilton Vista Dome Car (eBay: 6005030046) >> >> If you have any questions or wish to discuss a sale price, please feel >> free to call me collect >> at xxx-xxx-xxxx.. >> >> If you'd rather use email, my Email address is Irismdf@.... >> >> If you prefer writing, my address is as follows: >> >> Ken Warburton >> 160 Rutland Road >> Hempstead, NY 11550 >> >> Thank you for your consideration, and I would appreciate hearing from you, >> either way, in the >> next 20 days. >> >> Sincerely, >> Ken Warburton >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com >> All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! >> >> Enjoy thousands of great photos >> at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail >> Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38910	From: Richard Hosmer	Date: 2/17/2006
Subject: Re: Did Any Other Ebay buyers get a message like this?

Guys, IF "Trainz" is an ongoing business entity, known to you, or to some of you at least, and has good feedback, then wouldn't HIS word (obtained directly and separately, of course) settle the legitimacy issue? Dick Hosmer Pre-war 3/16" lurker

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38911	From: Roy Inman	Date: 2/17/2006
Subject: Re: Did Any Other Ebay buyers get a message like this?

And I suppose there is always the possibility that this person is phishing, just hoping to catch a vulnerable individual who might divulge bank account numbers, etc. > From: ljack70117@... > Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 11:29:15 -0500 > To: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER <rcon7@...> > Cc: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Mike Vana <amflyer@...> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Did Any Other Ebay buyers get a message like this? > > > On Feb 17, 2006, at 10:53 AM, ROBERT ALLEN CONNER wrote: > >> Mike I didn't receive this email...... I am scared to supply any >> info to >> those I don't know...... If you did buy the item It could be >> legit..... If >> not you could be giving away the location of your stuff........ use >> caution..... Bob >> - >>> >>> Thank you for your consideration, and I would appreciate hearing >>> from you, >>> either way, in the >>> next 20 days. > > I would be very careful with this. He says he wants to here from you > in the next 20 days. Why the time limit? Also he says either way. Why > would he want to hear from you if you did not buy any of the stuff? > Be Careful. > Thank you > Larry Jackman > ljack70117@... > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38912	From: Roy Inman	Date: 2/17/2006
Subject: Re: Did Any Other Ebay buyers get a message like this?

Good point Robert. So, Mike, did you check with TRAINZ? Roy I > From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER <rcon7@...> > Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 11:39:01 -0500 > To: ljack70117@... > Cc: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Mike Vana <amflyer@...> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Did Any Other Ebay buyers get a message like this? > > Another thought....... If I wuld have sold the stuff I would have contacted > the people to ask them..... So as not to disclose the buyers identys....... > I don't think Trainz would give out information like that ? Bob > Next you will find you won the lottery..... send 50,000 for a 10 million > check...... HA HA

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38913	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/17/2006
Subject: Re: Did Any Other Ebay buyers get a message like this?

***(((Did anybody else get this message?)))*** I did not. Could be the real deal. There are soooo many fake auctions etc., on eBay, it's hard to say sometimes. But he appears to give his full name, etc. I could see this type of thing happening with a loved ones goods. Did YOU receive the item mentioned? Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38914	From: keefer1	Date: 2/17/2006
Subject: Re: Did Any Other Ebay buyers get a message like this?

Actually he only has our name. Trainz (the ebay seller)assured me they forwarded his requests, and didnt give anything more than first name. --- Roy Inman <rinphoto@...> wrote: > Well, the man already has Mike's email, and his > name. For $25.00 there is a > service (maybe more than one) that claims to be able > to find ANYONE with > just that information. (Hmmmm...wonder if anyone has > tried Osama...?). But I > suppose that those with the intent of doing > bad...but my point is that the > person already has enough information to find Mike, > or any of us for that > matter. He can only guess at the extent and value of > our various > collections, assuming we have any. So, naive > question though it may be, what > is the harm in letting him know whether Mike has the > car, one way or the > other? > Roy I > > > From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER <rcon7@...> > > Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 10:53:23 -0500 > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Mike Vana > <amflyer@...> > > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Did Any Other Ebay buyers > get a message like this? > > > > Mike I didn't receive this email...... I am scared > to supply any info to > > those I don't know...... If you did buy the item > It could be legit..... If > > not you could be giving away the location of your > stuff........ use > > caution..... Bob > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Mike Vana" <amflyer@...> > > To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 9:10 AM > > Subject: [S-Trains] Did Any Other Ebay buyers get > a message like this? > > > > > >> I got the following message in my e-mail this > morning. It looks legitimate, > >> but does anybody know if this is real? I blanked > out the phone number, > >> but the rest I left alone. > >> > >> Did anybody else get this message? > >> > >> Mike Vana Omaha, NE. > >> > >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> > >> > >> Dear Trainz Customer, > >> > >> I am forwarding you this message on behalf of one > of our sellers who is > >> hoping to recover some > >> of his collection. > >> > >> Sincerely, > >> Scott Griggs > >> > >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> February 16, 2006 > >> > >> Dear Mike, > >> > >> A few months ago, my brother passed away and his > Trains were sold in an > >> estate sale without my > >> knowledge. The trains were treasured greatly by > everyone in my family and > >> have sentimental > >> value. I am hoping to buy back as much of the > collection as I can. > >> > >> All of my brother's trains were sold to Trainz > and they in turn resold > >> them. According to > >> their records you purchased at least one of those > items. Previously Mr. > >> Scott Griggs of > >> Trainz, sent emails to a few people who had > purchased some key items from > >> the collection and > >> so far, I've received a good response on most of > the items. If you are in > >> possession of one > >> of the trains listed below, I trust you may find > it in your heart to allow > >> me to purchase the > >> below trains back from you. > >> > >> AF 962 Hamilton Vista Dome Car (eBay: 6005030046) > >> > >> If you have any questions or wish to discuss a > sale price, please feel > >> free to call me collect > >> at xxx-xxx-xxxx.. > >> > >> If you'd rather use email, my Email address is > Irismdf@.... > >> > >> If you prefer writing, my address is as follows: > >> > >> Ken Warburton > >> 160 Rutland Road > >> Hempstead, NY 11550 > >> > >> Thank you for your consideration, and I would > appreciate hearing from you, > >> either way, in the > >> next 20 days. > >> > >> Sincerely, > >> Ken Warburton > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > >> All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > >> > >> Enjoy thousands of great photos > >> at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > >> Yahoo! Groups Links > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38915	From: Jenni Sipla	Date: 2/17/2006
Subject: Re: Engines questions

In regards to the smoke unit if you remove the top plate BE GENTAL check and make sure the wire (made of NICHROME) that wraps around the wick is not broken. This can be checked vith a volt ohm meter set to continuity check it should beep if it is good. if it is ok then soak the wick in rubbing alcohol for a few hours to loosen up the smoke gunk. Also clean out the gunk from the unit its self with paint thinnner (works best for me) and a small brush (tooth brush or acid/aplicator brush). Rick Evans <bassflyer@...> wrote: ***((Engine 2 does not smoke, runs and choo choo's but runs not at the fastest rate. I know there is something called a Smoke Wick. Is that usually the reason, as it might need to be replaced? If so, it that difficult to do?)))*** Sometimes, the wick and be "cleaned" by squirtin' some TV tuner cleaner in there. It helps free up the gunk glogging the wick. Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38916	From: Roy Inman	Date: 2/17/2006
Subject: Re: Did Any Other Ebay buyers get a message like this?

Ah, I see. The message from the person in question went through TRAINZ, so that your email was not revealed. > From: keefer1 <keefer1_us@...> > Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 09:01:38 -0800 (PST) > To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Did Any Other Ebay buyers get a message like this? > > > Actually he only has our name. Trainz (the ebay > seller)assured me they forwarded his requests, and > didnt give anything more than first name. > --- Roy Inman <rinphoto@...> wrote:

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38917	From: manderman	Date: 2/17/2006
Subject: Re: Did Any Other Ebay buyers get a message like this?

Mike, In my opinion this "sounds" legit. Of course there is always the chance someone is up to something. The guy appears to be giving out his personal information which can easily be verified. Ultimately you need to ask yourself what you would be inclined to do if this IS legiit. Would you be willing to help him out or just say "tough break". If you say tough luck then you need not go any further. Otherwise you could call him from somewhere other than your home phone if you are concerned that he might get your phone number via caller ID. Talk to him in person and get a feel for what he is up to. I think people get a little paranoid when all that is required is a bit of common sense. Put yourself in the position he claims to be in. How could one go about this any differently. Again... he is giving you... his information. Good luck. Let us know how you make out. Mark Anderman I got the following message in my e-mail this morning. It looks legitimate, but does anybody know if this is real? I blanked out the phone number, but the rest I left alone. Did anybody else get this message? Mike Vana Omaha, NE. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dear Trainz Customer, I am forwarding you this message on behalf of one of our sellers who is hoping to recover some of his collection. Sincerely, Scott Griggs ------------------------------------------------------------------------ February 16, 2006 Dear Mike, A few months ago, my brother passed away and his Trains were sold in an estate sale without my knowledge. The trains were treasured greatly by everyone in my family and have sentimental value. I am hoping to buy back as much of the collection as I can. All of my brother's trains were sold to Trainz and they in turn resold them. According to their records you purchased at least one of those items. Previously Mr. Scott Griggs of Trainz, sent emails to a few people who had purchased some key items from the collection and so far, I've received a good response on most of the items. If you are in possession of one of the trains listed below, I trust you may find it in your heart to allow me to purchase the below trains back from you. AF 962 Hamilton Vista Dome Car (eBay: 6005030046) If you have any questions or wish to discuss a sale price, please feel free to call me collect at xxx-xxx-xxxx.. If you'd rather use email, my Email address is Irismdf@.... If you prefer writing, my address is as follows: Ken Warburton 160 Rutland Road Hempstead, NY 11550 Thank you for your consideration, and I would appreciate hearing from you, either way, in the next 20 days. Sincerely, Ken Warburton S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38918	From: Art Shifrin	Date: 2/17/2006
Subject: More on that joe McDoakes short

I forgot to mention the play on words in the "Mr. Agony" character. John J. Anthony had a show on the Mutual Radio Network. It debuted in the 40s (postwar). He interviewed ordinary (real) people & offered solutions to their problems. Mutual was an also ran to CBS, NBC & ABC because it had only affiliates and did NOT own any stations. Therefore its programming dept could not mandate that certain programs be carried at certain times by certain stations. Here in the NYC area the mutual affiliate was WOR which for some years dutifully carried "The Adventures Of Superman". Bud Collier played the man of steel. After being irreparably weakened by exposure to Kryptonite (planted by a very jealous, jilted Lois Lane...what occurred between them is too controversial for this forum), Bud tossed his cape, put on a bow tie & became the host of the contest show "Beat The Clock". Seriously folks, given the ubiquity of S & O trains at that time, I wonder if any of the Beat The Clock stunts involved electric toy trains. Best, Shiffy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38919	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 2/17/2006
Subject: TRAINZ

I believe I would contact Trainz first & see if they know anything about this ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38920	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/17/2006
Subject: Fw: [S-Trains] Engines questions

Barb and I have a constant spell check battle (all in fun of course!), and she caught me again! The following quote from me should say, "CAN be cleaned....." ***(((((Sometimes, the wick and be "cleaned" by squirtin' some TV tuner cleaner in there. It helps free up the gunk glogging the wick.))))) Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38921	From: Robert Graves	Date: 2/17/2006
Subject: Re: Did Any Other Ebay buyers get a message like this?

Yes, Mike, I got it, too, but mine asked about a different car than your message. I figured it was a phishing message because I don't think I've bought that particular car in the past few months, from TRAINZ or anybody else. I planned to check my records some time, but didn't put any priority on it. Now I will. The $64 question is whether you bought that Hamilton Vista Dome from TRAINZ. Did you? Bob Mike Vana <amflyer@...> wrote: I got the following message in my e-mail this morning. It looks legitimate, but does anybody know if this is real? I blanked out the phone number, but the rest I left alone. Did anybody else get this message? Mike Vana Omaha, NE. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dear Trainz Customer, I am forwarding you this message on behalf of one of our sellers who is hoping to recover some of his collection. Sincerely, Scott Griggs ------------------------------------------------------------------------ February 16, 2006 Dear Mike, A few months ago, my brother passed away and his Trains were sold in an estate sale without my knowledge. The trains were treasured greatly by everyone in my family and have sentimental value. I am hoping to buy back as much of the collection as I can. All of my brother's trains were sold to Trainz and they in turn resold them. According to their records you purchased at least one of those items. Previously Mr. Scott Griggs of Trainz, sent emails to a few people who had purchased some key items from the collection and so far, I've received a good response on most of the items. If you are in possession of one of the trains listed below, I trust you may find it in your heart to allow me to purchase the below trains back from you. AF 962 Hamilton Vista Dome Car (eBay: 6005030046) If you have any questions or wish to discuss a sale price, please feel free to call me collect at xxx-xxx-xxxx.. If you'd rather use email, my Email address is Irismdf@.... If you prefer writing, my address is as follows: Ken Warburton 160 Rutland Road Hempstead, NY 11550 Thank you for your consideration, and I would appreciate hearing from you, either way, in the next 20 days. Sincerely, Ken Warburton S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- What are the most popular cars? Find out at Yahoo! Autos [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38922	From: Bill Porter	Date: 2/17/2006
Subject: Re: Did Any Other Ebay buyers get a message like this?

Sounds phishy to me. In all of my dealings with eBay, any messages come both in email and in the "My Messages" feature. Any email without an "eBay Message" is suspicious. Good Luck, Bill Bill Porter Loxahatchee -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Vana Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 9:11 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Did Any Other Ebay buyers get a message like this? I got the following message in my e-mail this morning. It looks legitimate, but does anybody know if this is real? I blanked out the phone number, but the rest I left alone. Did anybody else get this message? Mike Vana Omaha, NE. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dear Trainz Customer, I am forwarding you this message on behalf of one of our sellers who is hoping to recover some of his collection. Sincerely, Scott Griggs ------------------------------------------------------------------------ February 16, 2006 Dear Mike, A few months ago, my brother passed away and his Trains were sold in an estate sale without my knowledge. The trains were treasured greatly by everyone in my family and have sentimental value. I am hoping to buy back as much of the collection as I can. All of my brother's trains were sold to Trainz and they in turn resold them. According to their records you purchased at least one of those items. Previously Mr. Scott Griggs of Trainz, sent emails to a few people who had purchased some key items from the collection and so far, I've received a good response on most of the items. If you are in possession of one of the trains listed below, I trust you may find it in your heart to allow me to purchase the below trains back from you. AF 962 Hamilton Vista Dome Car (eBay: 6005030046) If you have any questions or wish to discuss a sale price, please feel free to call me collect at xxx-xxx-xxxx.. If you'd rather use email, my Email address is Irismdf@.... If you prefer writing, my address is as follows: Ken Warburton 160 Rutland Road Hempstead, NY 11550 Thank you for your consideration, and I would appreciate hearing from you, either way, in the next 20 days. Sincerely, Ken Warburton S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38923	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 2/17/2006
Subject: Re: Did Any Other Ebay buyers get a message like this?

On Feb 17, 2006, at 12:51 PM, manderman wrote: > Mike, > > In my opinion this "sounds" legit. Of course there is > always the chance someone is up to something. The guy > appears to be giving out his personal information which > can easily be verified. Ultimately you need to ask > yourself what you would be inclined to do if this IS > legiit. Would you be willing to help him out or just say > "tough break". If you say tough luck then you need not go > any further. Otherwise you could call him from somewhere > other than your home phone if you are concerned that he > might get your phone number via caller ID. Talk to him in > person and get a feel for what he is up to. > > I think people get a little paranoid when all that is > required is a bit of common sense. Put yourself in the > position he claims to be in. How could one go about this > any differently. Again... he is giving you... his > information. > > Good luck. Let us know how you make out. > > Mark Anderman > > > I got the following message in my e-mail this morning. > It > looks legitimate, > but does anybody know if this is real? I blanked out the > phone number, > but the rest I left alone. > > Did anybody else get this message? > > Mike Vana Omaha, NE. In todays age of Identity theft you had better be a little paranoid. How do you know the information he is giving out is his information. Give me his phone number and I will call him and find out who he is. Thank you Larry Jackman ljack70117@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38924	From: Dave Ganslein	Date: 2/17/2006
Subject: From our Friends at Marxtrains@yahoogroups.com

This link was supplied by the group moderator. I thought you kids might get a kick out of it. I guess turnabout is fair play. P.S. I'm still looking for a silver #364 Santa Fe B-unit with latch coupler. Hello Everyone, I think you'll all like this. http://roundtable.truck.net/viiewt.php?t=58473 Walt Hiteshew "Diesel" Dave Portland dieseldave72@... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38925	From: clayton deich	Date: 2/17/2006
Subject: Re: From our Friends at Marxtrains@yahoogroups.com

Now who's going to make an S scale one for all of us? :) Clayton Ps Way Cool Dave! --- Dave Ganslein <dieseldave72@...> wrote: > This link was supplied by the group moderator. > I thought you kids might get a kick out of it. > I guess turnabout is fair play. > P.S. I'm still looking for a silver #364 Santa Fe > B-unit with latch coupler. > > Hello Everyone, > > I think you'll all like this. > > http://roundtable.truck.net/viiewt.php?t=58473 > > Walt Hiteshew > > "Diesel" Dave > Portland > dieseldave72@... > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38926	From: keefer1	Date: 2/17/2006
Subject: Re: Did Any Other Ebay buyers get a message like this?

I called him, the only item I had bought from trainz, I had already resold. He is trying to but back the items that were sold at an estate sale , and he is willing to pay decent prices. He is not trying to rip anyone off, and agreed to make payment in anyway the seller wanted. You dont send the train til he pays, if you have one of the items he would be glad to hear from you. Keith --- ljack70117@... wrote: > > On Feb 17, 2006, at 12:51 PM, manderman wrote: > > > Mike, > > > > In my opinion this "sounds" legit. Of course > there is > > always the chance someone is up to something. The > guy > > appears to be giving out his personal information > which > > can easily be verified. Ultimately you need to > ask > > yourself what you would be inclined to do if this > IS > > legiit. Would you be willing to help him out or > just say > > "tough break". If you say tough luck then you > need not go > > any further. Otherwise you could call him from > somewhere > > other than your home phone if you are concerned > that he > > might get your phone number via caller ID. Talk > to him in > > person and get a feel for what he is up to. > > > > I think people get a little paranoid when all that > is > > required is a bit of common sense. Put yourself in > the > > position he claims to be in. How could one go > about this > > any differently. Again... he is giving you... his > > information. > > > > Good luck. Let us know how you make out. > > > > Mark Anderman > > > > > > I got the following message in my e-mail this > morning. > > It > > looks legitimate, > > but does anybody know if this is real? I blanked > out the > > phone number, > > but the rest I left alone. > > > > Did anybody else get this message? > > > > Mike Vana Omaha, NE. > > In todays age of Identity theft you had better be a > little paranoid. > How do you know the information he is giving out is > his information. > Give me his phone number and I will call him and > find out who he is. > Thank you > Larry Jackman > ljack70117@... > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38927	From: Mike	Date: 2/17/2006
Subject: Restoration

How much does restoration drop the value of your trains? The cars with my 21813, although overall are in pretty good shape, have some scratching. Being as I'm not going to sell them and will put them on a shelf, I want them to look as good as possible, but I don't want to trash the value of them either. I have the number of a man in Cambridge Maryland who does work on AF that I'm probably going to send my Steamer too to get it running. He also does restoration, and I've seen his work at the local hobby shop that reccomended him. It's really nice work. Just wondering. Mike

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38928	From: David A. Highfield	Date: 2/17/2006
Subject: Gabe won't climb

I'm having trouble with Gabe (new issue). He won't climb when I push the button. Everything seems to be working, but the string doesn't pull him up the ladder. Can someone help me with a solution? Thanks, Dave [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38929	From: ED WHELAN	Date: 2/17/2006
Subject: Re: Did Any Other Ebay buyers get a message like this?

Keith, kUDOS!!! You took the time to help out a guy who lost his treasured train collection. Hopefully everyone who was notified buy Trainz.com will do their level best to return his collection to him. Great work Keith. Ed ----- Original Message ----- From: "keefer1" <keefer1_us@...> To: <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 5:22 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Did Any Other Ebay buyers get a message like this? > > I called him, the only item I had bought from trainz, > I had already resold. He is trying to but back the > items that were sold at an estate sale , and he is > willing to pay decent prices. He is not trying to rip > anyone off, and agreed to make payment in anyway the > seller wanted. You dont send the train til he pays, if > you have one of the items he would be glad to hear > from you. Keith > --- ljack70117@... wrote: > >> >> On Feb 17, 2006, at 12:51 PM, manderman wrote: >> >> > Mike, >> > >> > In my opinion this "sounds" legit. Of course >> there is >> > always the chance someone is up to something. The >> guy >> > appears to be giving out his personal information >> which >> > can easily be verified. Ultimately you need to >> ask >> > yourself what you would be inclined to do if this >> IS >> > legiit. Would you be willing to help him out or >> just say >> > "tough break". If you say tough luck then you >> need not go >> > any further. Otherwise you could call him from >> somewhere >> > other than your home phone if you are concerned >> that he >> > might get your phone number via caller ID. Talk >> to him in >> > person and get a feel for what he is up to. >> > >> > I think people get a little paranoid when all that >> is >> > required is a bit of common sense. Put yourself in >> the >> > position he claims to be in. How could one go >> about this >> > any differently. Again... he is giving you... his >> > information. >> > >> > Good luck. Let us know how you make out. >> > >> > Mark Anderman >> > >> > >> > I got the following message in my e-mail this >> morning. >> > It >> > looks legitimate, >> > but does anybody know if this is real? I blanked >> out the >> > phone number, >> > but the rest I left alone. >> > >> > Did anybody else get this message? >> > >> > Mike Vana Omaha, NE. >> >> In todays age of Identity theft you had better be a >> little paranoid. >> How do you know the information he is giving out is >> his information. >> Give me his phone number and I will call him and >> find out who he is. >> Thank you >> Larry Jackman >> ljack70117@... >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> S-Trains list sponsor: >> http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com >> All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories >> too! >> >> Enjoy thousands of great photos >> at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail >> Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38930	From: tomminil@aol.com	Date: 2/17/2006
Subject: Re: Lionel's American Flyer Parts List

Is there a web site that shows the catalogs for American Flyer from 1979 to present? Tom [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38931	From: mlmarmer	Date: 2/17/2006
Subject: Engine Success story

I want to thank Bret, Rick and Phil for responding to my engines questions, as I have some success. This was not send before to the TCA list, as this one is. Engine one with the head light being blocked of light through the lens, is due, to the light bracket being put in the boiler upside down. So someone put another bracket with out the socket above the light. So I pull it out, removed the bracket and need to get some kind of epoxy to hold it back in the bracket. Or maybe I have a rare factory error, that I can sell on Ebay for 100's of dollars. LOL Engine number two. No power to the engine, was a broken wire, in which I got a 40 watt solder pencil and proceeded to put the wire back with success, for a first timer. Then the unit started to smoke, no light, as the bulb was burnt. Light bulb replace. The guy at Radio shack had no idea what TV tuner cleaner was, as I thought he gave me something called Component cleaner, which was component cooler! Wrong item, so I could not clean the reverse unit. Once I saw that power was in the light and smoke unit, I fool with the two copper things on the reverse unit, as is that is what is called "fingers" you all talk about. Well, one was off center and now we have a running engine, that REALLY smokes! So, now it probably needs a good cleaning of the gears, lube and tv tuner cleaner on the reverse unit. Engine 3 with the no smoke will probably need a wick replacement as Brit was really kind to scan a three page article in CTT from 1994 by Tom Jarcho, as I know there is something on the web for doing the wick, but I really appreciate what Bret did for me, as this article seems to be really detailed. Thanks Brit. I am sure I have allot more to learn. Mike Marmer

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38932	From: mlmarmer	Date: 2/17/2006
Subject: engine smoke

Why do some engines smoke more than others. Is the wick? Mike Marmer

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38933	From: Dave Ganslein	Date: 2/17/2006
Subject: Check this Link

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Flyer Diesel Dave Portland __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38934	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/17/2006
Subject: Interesting possible reason ACG didn't go DC

This was recently posted to the TCA group as one response to a question about clear wire being substituted for yellow. I hadn't thought of this variable before. S' David D. Subject: The 1950s (1950-1959) > Found this article in reference to electrical shortages > in the 1950's, as it did not mention anything about yellow > dye for plastic. It does mention that copper wire was in > short supply... Mike Marmer It could have been a temporary shortage or perhaps the article overlooked the lack of yellow insulated wire. I know the lack of Alnico5 for permanent magnets prevented AF from making DC trains, and resulted in the suspension of HO gauge. They oten made adjustments in materials during the Korean War period. Herb Wasserman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38935	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/17/2006
Subject: Re: engine smoke

***(((Why do some engines smoke more than others.)))**** Ok, I'll skip the joke,........THIS time! :^) Sometimes it is the wick. The amount of current applied to the loco could make a difference. My old 282 smokes quite good, but I have to crank the trannie up quite a bit more then other locos I have, to get it to the same speed as others. Soooo, with the more current, more current is going to the wick. Just my simple explanation! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38936	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 2/17/2006
Subject: Re;engine smoke

The best thing about old Flyer is the non-electronic choo-choo and excellent smoke unit. No Flyonel or other modern steamer smokes like the old Flyer ones. You'd have to move up to O gauge MTH locos with their blower smoke units to equal the smoke of a Gilbert steamer. Having rebuilt some old smoke units, a new wick and heating element properly installed put out the most smoke! I also found that if you put smoke fluid in and let it soak down into the unit for several minutes before running the loco, then add a few drops more you get more smoke. The Gilbert smoke unit will hold quite a bit of fluid compared to any others. Suethe or Smoken fluid seem to create more smoke than Super Smoke, Proto Smoke, or Lionel smoke fluid. However, just about any smoke fluid will work. Another trick is to use the SnS Trains "slow" can motor. It draws less current, but to get the train to run fast, you really have to turn up the transformer. So the smoke unit is really getting the juice and puts out clouds of smoke! Stumpy Stone...why smoke cigarettes when there's old American Flyer around?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38937	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 2/17/2006
Subject: Re: Humming transfomrers - Sine waves?

-----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Art Shifrin Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 3:30 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Humming transformers I'm not sure if universal motors (such as those used on traditional technology toy trains) would run any more smoothly if fed pure sine waves. --------------------------- The following MRC transformer claims that its pure power gives it better operating capabilities - so is it bunk or does a cleaner sine wave matter much? http://www.modelrectifier.com/products/trainSound/acPower.asp Scott Dee

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38938	From: T Larson	Date: 2/18/2006
Subject: For Sale

Many people have responded regarding Tom Kayser's For Sale items. He appreciates your interest in his bargains! I forwarded to him all the messages that were sent to me. If you did not hear from Tom, feel free to send me another note. -- Ted Larson http://www.aroundcinci.com/icams/museum/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38939	From: jayhoo64	Date: 2/18/2006
Subject: Re: Photo Album Disaster Recovery

Hoo, BOY! I've begun reloading the Christmas and modular C+D stuff that was lost, and of course, Bert, the Cop's stuff. It will be restored a little at a time, though. Fortunately, I have all the images on CDs. The "new" albums are here: http://s-scale.org/albums/main.php?g2_view=core.ShowItem&g2_itemId=1435 Btw, I like the "random image" feature. You never know what yer gonna git!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38940	From: winchester54947	Date: 2/18/2006
Subject: Link couplers revisited

I want to thank all the AF professors for the great info recently regarding freeing stuck LC. I had tried everthing and resolved to replacement. One thing that stuck in my mind was the 160F melting temperature of Stearic acid. So I boiled some broken couplers for a test and they didn't melt. I just now took a sacrificial Ebay 631 gondola with whitened and hopelessly frozen couplers (the kind that need pliars to rotate)and agitated it rapidly for a minute and a half in a pan of boiling water. Problem Solved. Note: I now recommend using an old coffee can, It leaves a remarkable amount of scum in the pan. And the T&P is now disinfected too ;-)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38941	From: Art Shifrin	Date: 2/18/2006
Subject: Humming transfomrers - Sine waves - travails of our mother tongue e

"Hi Scott, Thanks for this link. Unfortunately my system's not finding it on the web at this moment. You've posed an excellent question. I therefore should clarify what I meant by "I'm not sure if universal motors (such as those used on traditional technology toy trains) would run any more smoothly if fed pure sine waves." It'd have been more precise for me to state that "it's theoretically possible that universal motors (such as those used on traditional technology toy trains) would run more smoothly if fed pure sine waves. But I'm not sure if the mechanical and electrical realities of any given motor and the mechanism that it propels would noticeably benefit. " I'd love to have the chance of testing an MRC power supply (in my opinion 'transformer' is an inadequate term for a unit with signal processing). IF any of their models were to prove to result in superior operation of engines & IF that improvement were to be cost effective (to me...whatever that is), then I'd love to replace my Z & ZW. Theoretically, the motors and solenoids would operate more efficiently. This would entail less heat and less wear. Another caveat: EVEN IF such an improved power supply were to better power engines and accessories, then that still might not mean that it'd produce less audible humming & buzzing. That'd be determined by whether or not the signal processing is applied BEFORE the current enters the primary coils, or AFTER it leaves the secondaries. In either case the current delivered to the tracks would be smooth. But in the latter scenario, the coils would be just as susceptible to vibrating as those on conventional trannies. I suspect that prime cost of signal processing in the lower voltage domain would be less costly (how significantly, I don't know), so a manufacturer might be tempted to design it that way. That decision entails marketing. Here's how that decision might be made. A manufacturer would approach end users and dealers with whom it thinks it has an excellent and trusting relationship. It'd confide to them that they're planning the new product and demonstrate at least two engineering prototypes. Both would deliver the same super smooth current to the tracks and accessories. But one processes the signal before the primaries and the other, after the secondaries. One buzzes audibly & the other does not. They'd inform the trusted consultants that the projected retail prices (which account for all of the thing's features) would be X and Y because of the differences in prime costs. They would then receive the feedback that the audible differences are or are not worth the differences in price. Depending upon multiple factors, if the feedback's somewhat decisive, they then embrace or reject it. If the latter, they then run to their tea leaves and Ouija boards to make a decision. The contexts of making tests, demonstrations and comparisons can critically impact perceptions. In this case, drawing, say, maximum current through the power supply with or without the operating sounds of the layout masking or not masking the buzzing could result in very different opinions of the feature / cost benefits. Such power supplies might still have to provide 'dirty outputs'. It's possible that vibration dependent accessories such as livestock pens, barrel loaders and rotating beacons might not function properly when fed processed power. About trusting consultants: try to get them to reveal proprietary information that they know about your competitors. If they violate the other party's confidence, then don' trust them with yours. All of this makes me very tempted to feed a 60Hz sinewave from my Leader LAG 125 into a handy 300 watt power amp, and then connect the output to one of my lines on the layout. If it were to not blow up the amp, then a variation of the experiment would be to feed music (with some signal shaping) into that circuit to see if a loco might even approach synchronizing to the music. The mental image of a steamer chuffing in sync with Duke's "Daybreak Express" (or Honneger's Pascific 231) has me feeling cuddly and smiling..... Best, Shiffy"

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38942	From: Art Shifrin	Date: 2/18/2006
Subject: Vacuum tube in the AF electronic whistle controller

Hi Gang, In violation of Federal Copyright Statutes and the Geneva Conventions on Copyrights of 1876, 1908, and 1946 my friend just provided me with a scan of the two pages in the RCA tube manual that describe this tube. (I'm chagrinned not to be able to find my copy). As I deduced when a few days ago Doug Peck very helpfully provided me with the controller's schematic, that it's a hybrid rectifier and amplifier. It's a safe bet that if any one of these have their original electroylic capaictors, that those parts should be replaced. Theoretically, (my opinion) this should provide superior results to the later type that use the plug-in vibrator modules. If any of you want to receive a genuine photostatic copy of it, and the controller's schematic, then send the label from your AF S gauge set box (no facsimilies will be accepted) and 12 cents in unused US postage stamps (that still have their gum) to Train Tips, Post Office Box 316, New Haven, Connecticut, USA Allow four weeks for delivery. Oh, I forgot, this is 2006. Just email me.... Shiffy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38943	From: John Foley	Date: 2/18/2006
Subject: S Scale for sale

Hi Folks A friend of my Kevin Ross is selling off some S scale items, Locos, Passenger cars, freight cars and sets. All Scale and in great condition. Check it out at http://kevss-scaleforsale.tzo.com/. John Foley [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38944	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/18/2006
Subject: Re: Photo Album Disaster Recovery

***(((Btw, I like the "random image" feature. You never know what yer gonna git!)))*** Me too! I didn't think I was going to like the new album, but the more I work with it, setting up albums for others and myself, the more I am liking it. Sooo, Michael and I are settin' up albums. Drop us a line. Rick. S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38945	From: mlmarmer	Date: 2/18/2006
Subject: Radio Shack

In the business page, today, there is a report that Radio Shack is closing some stores and laying off some workers, as current earnings are not up to when RS would like it to be. Well, I went to RS yesterday and purchases a volt meter, a 40 watt soldering pencil and did quite nicely with it several times, thanks to all who gave me advice on that a few weeks ago and I wanted some TV turner cleaner. The clerk, a young man, had no idea what I was taking about as he could not find it in the store. He gave me a can, of what he thought was Component cleaner, which we thought we would be electrical things. Well, when I got home, the can read Component Cooler, for electrical units. Wrong product. So I returned it today and they are out of TV Tuner cleaner. So that is why earning are done. They are out of TV tuner cleaner for trains! LOL Mike Marmer

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38946	From: Eric & Jean	Date: 2/18/2006
Subject: Flyonel Sante fe Docksider for sale, New.

I have a new in the box Sante Fe 6-48040 Docksider Switcher engine for sale. First $120 gets it shipping included to USA48. I can take check or Paypal. Eric Reis Kenmore, Wa. 98028 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38947	From: firex43	Date: 2/18/2006
Subject: AF Smoke Unit Replacement and D.C. Power for Solenoid Accessories

For Mike Marmer; Please visit Doug Peck's Portlines site and see the clinics section for wick replacement info. Also regarding the 762 2 in 1 Whistle and other AF operating accessories that use a solenoid for operation; to eliminate the solenoid noise in operation use a rectifier to supply the accessory with D.C. voltage. The 762 Whistle sounds much better without the solenoid noise usually accompanying whistle operation. I had discussed this idea with Tom Jarcho several years ago. As always Tom was a ready willing and knowledgable AF information resource. The idea to try this idea came from a NASG from years ago regarding an AF operating caboose and using an onboard rectifier to eliminate the solenoid noise. Another article dealt with equipping an AF 596 water tower with sound and using a rectifier to eliminate solenoid noise. As always it's great to be running and maintaining AF equipment. 2 rail forever ! John Keating

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38948	From: trainman634	Date: 2/18/2006
Subject: Constant lighting for AF Cabooses

I would like to add constant lighting to my american flyer cabooses. Which Dallee product would work best to do the job? Would there be a better way to do it? Thanks for your help.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38949	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 2/18/2006
Subject: Sunday Chat, 2/19/2006, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 38950	From: romoyer@att.net	Date: 2/18/2006
Subject: Re: Radio Shack

Mike: I've always had spotty service at Radio Shack but consider this, the young man probably never saw a TV in his home that had a mechanical tuner that would need a shot of that stuff. It was almost like asking for a vacuum tube. Just think in ten years if you ask for repair or parts for a TV with a CRT, the answer will be CR what? Just remember tuner spray will always be available on Ebay. Regards Bob Moyer -------------- Original message from "mlmarmer" <mlmarmer@...>: -------------- > In the business page, today, there is a report that Radio Shack is closing > some stores and laying off some workers, as current earnings are not up to > when RS would like it to be. > > Well, I went to RS yesterday and purchases a volt meter, a 40 watt soldering > pencil and did quite nicely with it several times, thanks to all who gave me > advice on that a few weeks ago and I wanted some TV turner cleaner. > > The clerk, a young man, had no idea what I was taking about as he could not > find it in the store. He gave me a can, of what he thought was Component > cleaner, which we thought we would be electrical things. > > Well, when I got home, the can read Component Cooler, for electrical units. > Wrong product. So I returned it today and they are out of TV Tuner cleaner. > So that is why earning are done. They are out of TV tuner cleaner for > trains! LOL > > Mike Marmer > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38951	From: Dennis Back	Date: 2/18/2006
Subject: Re: Radio Shack

--- romoyer wrote: > he probably never saw a TV/mechanical tuner....It was > almost like asking > for a vacuum tube..... Believe it or not, vacuum tubes are making a comeback (that is...if they ever left). Aside from audio aficionados, guitar players are really BIG on tube amps. There are even transistor amps that EMULATE tube amps!!! Rick (the bass player) will vouch for this. <g> Dennis Miami, FL __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38952	From: Knight, Gene	Date: 2/18/2006
Subject: Pony Express

Hi Gang, Can someone tell me how many times Lionel reissued the Pony Express Set? Was there ever a 21925-2 B Unit? I don't have any of the current books to check myself. Thanks! Gene

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38953	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 2/18/2006
Subject: Fw: [S-Trains] Radio Shack

--------- Original Message ----- > -------------- Original message from "mlmarmer" <mlmarmer@...>: -------------- . . . . . . . . I wanted some TV turner cleaner. . . . . . . .The clerk, a young man, had no idea what I was taking about > > > > > > > > > ----------response-------------- I put "contact cleaner" in Radio Shack's on line search feature and found three items, including this. http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2103700&cp=&kw=contact+cleaner&parentPage=search Tom Hawley -- Lansing Mich

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38954	From: Don Thompson	Date: 2/18/2006
Subject: Re: Constant lighting for AF Cabooses

You may be able to find exactly what you are looking for at the www.dallee.com website. Dallas is a life time Flyer fan and I am sure he made something just for the job. I will forward you request directly to him. Best regards, Don trainman634 wrote: >I would like to add constant lighting to my american flyer cabooses. >Which Dallee product would work best to do the job? Would there be a >better way to do it? Thanks for your help. > > > > > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >Enjoy thousands of great photos >at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38955	From: mlmarmer	Date: 2/18/2006
Subject: Re: Radio Shack

Bob, I agree, as I was going to write something to that extend, but I didn't. As this is the age of computers for him. Maybe he remembers a 486 computer. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38956	From: jayhoo64	Date: 2/18/2006
Subject: Re: Radio Shack

Mike Marmer wrote; >The clerk, a young man, had no idea what I was taking about as he >could not find it in the store. I think most RS clerks are just that; clerks. They might know a tad more than the average person about computers, mp3 players, and cell phones, but they are clueless about component level circuitry. It's been that way for some time. A couple years ago I was looking to replace the power supply capacitors in a power amp. I took one of the old 10,000 microfarad caps into the nearest RS. As soon as I walk in the door three guys are all "Can we help you?" I held the cap in plain view of all, and asked if they had any such thing in the store. Each shook his head, and one said, "No, we don't carry batteries like that..." The others agreed. BATTERIES?!? I said (as non-sarcastically as I could), "That is a capacitor." They were too clueless to be embarrassed. Eventually, I got the things online, from Mouser Electronics. Sounds as though I'll be doing more of that. Chuck F.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38957	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 2/18/2006
Subject: Re: Radio Shack/CAIG

You might want to try CAIG items. A bit more $$ but worth it WWW.CAIG.COM ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38958	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 2/18/2006
Subject: Re: deja vu all over again

Carl, A bankrupt company buys a bankrupt company.... Deja vu all over again... I believe the original Lionel declared bankruptcy 3 months after it bought out the American Flyer stuff... Yesterday I was on the Lionel site and the home page had information and notices on Lionel absorbing K-Line... Scott Dee -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Carl Tuveson Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 12:44 PM To: S-Trains (S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) Subject: [S-Trains] Lionel, K-line Merger It appears as if Lionel will absorb K-line as part of the settlement. Lionel plans to keep the K-line mark alive. Read more on the OGR post here: http://ogaugerr.infopop.cc/groupee/forums/a/tpc/f/57660482/m/3981090473 Carl S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38959	From: FEZANDPAZ@aol.com	Date: 2/19/2006
Subject: Re: Re;Lionel purchasing K-Line

What am I supposed to be "CAREFUL" of? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38960	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 2/19/2006
Subject: Re;Radio Shack

Here is a glowing example of a company loosing it's way. Radio Shack has lost sight of what it's original core business is. For years you went to Radio Shack to buy COMPONENTS and EQUIPMENT. They carried very little in the way of finished electronic products. Their store staff were KNOWLEDGABLE electrical/electronic people. The name Radio Shack was a slang term from the WWII era which everyone recognized as where you went for parts or advise. Somewhere along the line several years ago Radio Shack started selling electronic products and started doing away with parts. They also started hiring kids right out of high school instead of keeping knowledgable electronics folks on staff. Corperate officers decided there was more profit in finished products (true) than selling thousands of fiddly little parts. They also figured there was no longer any need to keep knowledgable (older, higher paid) people on the store staff. Unfortunately, they are now indistinguishable from any other cheesy electronics/appliance store selling Chinese electronics and cell phones and have lost their original clientel as well. Stores are closing across America. Stumpy Stone...former Radio Shack customer who can no longer find what he needs there.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38961	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 2/19/2006
Subject: What to put on your reverse unit

I recommend you remove the finger boards, then the drum and then use a solvent like alcohol or acetone and clean everything to a state of total dryness. I use Q-tips for this. I also spin and polish the drum and clean out the notches in the drum ratchet. Reassemble with new finger boards if needed, and then NEVER PUT ANYTHING INCLUDING TUNER CLEANER ON IT AGAIN. AC didn't lubricate them and you don't need to either. CLEAN AND DRY IS GOOD! Steve SnS Trains [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38962	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 2/19/2006
Subject: Re: Frosty Bar Price War - Competition is a good thing...

Mike, Add a Dairy Queen at the other end of town... Scott Dee -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mlmarmer Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 7:25 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com; David Dewey Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Frosty Bar Price War David, The Frosty Bars will have that PA delicacy of Funnel Cake. Need to add a Maple Donut Shoppe. Nothing healthy in my little town. LOL Mike S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38963	From: Bret	Date: 2/19/2006
Subject: DC current powering original AC current engines

Hi guys just a thought. I am a r/c car fanatic and was playing around the other day and connected a remote control speed controler to my af track using twin 6.5v battery packs(13V)as power and the engine ran very smooth. Even through the 3 position reverse unit which also cycled. I ran it with a 312 sib, two box cars, spotlight car and a 630 caboose and it ran for about 1 1/2 hours. Any precautions I should look out for. FYI this unit was not modified it is as gilbert designed. I know the gilbert AC electric motors can be run on either AC or DC. I know the rectifier and bridge are to eliminate the reverse unit and change AC curent to DC but i want to avoid modifing my engines including different motors. Just looking for more economical ways to run these trains. Necesity is the mother of all invention. thanks bret

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38964	From: kenwoodies1	Date: 2/19/2006
Subject: Re: Radio Shack

I remember when Radio Shack signs had Tandy Leather on them and the corporate name was Tandy Corporation. You could buy kits to make things out of leather. I doubt they carry many of those products anymore. The same goes for electronic parts. Parts have not been part of Radio Shack's "core" business for over 20 years. There is no way Radio Shack could have survived selling 3 cent resistors although they still do. Very few people fix radios, televisions, VCR's or any other electronic items anymore. Repair shops have gone out of business because it is more expensive to fix an item than to buy it brand new. Radio Shack is closing 400-700 stores out of 7000. At most they're closing ten percent of their stores. There are five Radio Shack stores within 15 minutes of my house. They could close four of those and it wouldn't affect me one bit. The percent of the population that actually has the knowledge to work on electronics is so low, I wouldn't be surprised if they eliminated parts altogether. Radio Shack is just doing what any other large chain has done, consolidating by closing underperforming stores. Jim Duncan

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38965	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 2/19/2006
Subject: RE;DC current powering AC current engines

Bret, I'm kind of surprised you got away with this, but I guess I shouldn't be. I've heard Gilbert stuff will run AC or DC. Modern Flyonel and others which run on AC power actually have DC can motors, so they'll run on DC power for sure (I've done it.) DC powering of any AC operating cars or accessories which use solenoids is said to magnetize the "slug" in the solenoid, so you'll probably want to avoid that. I guess my question is why go to the trouble of bothering with batteries at all if you're powering AC trains through the track. Years ago, I put radio control and batteries on board my trains on my garden railway (outdoors) to eliminate constant track cleaning. Transformers/power packs are much simpler for track power indoors. Stumpy Stone...former R/C car and airplane guy...Martins Ferry, OH.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38966	From: Richard Hosmer	Date: 2/19/2006
Subject: Re: Re;Radio Shack

on 2/19/06 4:22 AM, Stumpy Stone at mrstumpy@... wrote: > Here is a glowing example of a company loosing it's way. Radio Shack > has lost sight of what it's original core business is. WOW - Couldn't have said it better!!! And that IDENTICAL theory has been applied by the "baby boomer MBA's" to nearly every business that I can think of: Your neighborhood lumber yard vs. Home Depot; your Mom and Pop hardware store vs. Ace, the list goes on forever. Dick Hosmer Prewar 3/16" lurker

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38967	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 2/19/2006
Subject: Corperate America loosing it's way (Off Topic)

Many businesses and industies in this country are screwed up partly because they have lost sight of the actual business they are in. They think the stock market is their core business. In our area Norfolk Southern is running trains at a maximum track speed of TEN miles an hour. This is because they are fixing broken rail with longer pieces of broken rail from other areas. They replace every third tie, but only after a derailment. They blame the train crew for "poor train handling." Corperate is sending guys around with radar guns to nail loco crews who "speed"(10mph?) They're short of locomotives because they won't fix them when they break down, but gripe at crews for reporting them "out of service." Some trains are not run regularly due to power shortages or the customer is "low priority". All the while they are complaining about loosing business to trucks and barges. Locally American Electric Power operates power plants with more than half the generating and control equipment "red tagged". They are constantly borrowing crews from other areas when tree limbs take out power lines because they no longer employ enough linemen to trim trees and fix minor problems. I could go on and on, and so could you! Customer service and infrastructure maintenance(doing the actual business)means less than caring for stockholders today, and corperate America wonders why they are in trouble! Stumpy Stone...my current (non-storm)record for going without electricity stands at 76 hours in 2004...Martins Ferry, OH.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38968	From: beebear	Date: 2/19/2006
Subject: Re: Re;Radio Shack

I have to agree with you Stumpy. I have been an electronic technician for 30 years and used to work for RCA in their electronic integrated circuit (IC) division. I started in 1978 and had seen how the IC evoloved over the years. Starting out with basic transistors evolving into custom circuits. There were several large, at the time, electronic stores, Warren Radio, Lifetime Electronics and even Radio Shack where you could get anything electronic. I think the only big electronic store left in Ohio that would carry most everything is Mendelsons down in Dayton, Ohio The last time I was down there, several years ago, I could have filled my truck with patrs I could use on my future layout. But now that everything electronic is all included on a single chip, there is no need for the small electronic stores. I used to use 2 transistors and some resistors and capacitors to make some light bulbs flash. Then I moved up to a 555 timer chip to make LED's flash. Now the LED's have flasher chips built in. I have also seen the size of the LED's shrink so small you need a magnifying glass or microscope to solder them. John [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38969	From: ruth.leahy@colorado.edu	Date: 2/19/2006
Subject: A.F. Aluminum Passenger Cars

I need your help. Have a 360/364 Santa Fe set with the aluminum cars. The mag wheel polish works great on restoring the shine, but how do I take the cars apart so I can reposition the window inserts? The frame is inserted in to slots, but if you try to tap it out the trucks bind up. How do you disassemble these cars? Also, were the window inserts originally glued in place? Mike Leahy Boulder, CO.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38970	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 2/19/2006
Subject: Re: Photo Album Disaster Recovery

I have not been able to reset my thumbnails so they will enlarge when double clicked. Any one else? http://s-scale.org/albums/main.php?g2_view=core.ShowItem&g2_itemId=129 Tom Stoltz Tom's Turnouts & Trackwork >-----Original Message----- > >Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 09:33:43 -0800 > From: "Rick Evans" <bassflyer@...> >Subject: Re: Photo Album Disaster Recovery > >***(((Btw, I like the "random image" feature. You never know what yer gonna >git!)))*** > >Me too! >I didn't think I was going to like the new album, but the more I work with it, >setting up albums for others and myself, the more I am liking it. > >Sooo, Michael and I are settin' up albums. Drop us a line. > >Rick. > > >___________________________________________________________________ >_____ >___________________________________________________________________

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38971	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 2/19/2006
Subject: Re: Photo Album Disaster Recovery

Tom - After you log in, click on the items under the photo, select "edit photo", then click on the photo tab. This should allow you to set the size of the larger photo. Good luck. Dick Kuepper Aurora, OH -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Thomas Stoltz Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 10:19 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Photo Album Disaster Recovery I have not been able to reset my thumbnails so they will enlarge when double clicked. Any one else? http://s-scale.org/albums/main.php?g2_view=core.ShowItem&g2_itemId=129 Tom Stoltz Tom's Turnouts & Trackwork >-----Original Message----- > >Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 09:33:43 -0800 > From: "Rick Evans" <bassflyer@...> >Subject: Re: Photo Album Disaster Recovery > >***(((Btw, I like the "random image" feature. You never know what yer >gonna >git!)))*** > >Me too! >I didn't think I was going to like the new album, but the more I work >with it, >setting up albums for others and myself, the more I am liking it. > >Sooo, Michael and I are settin' up albums. Drop us a line. > >Rick. > > >___________________________________________________________________ >_____ >___________________________________________________________________ S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38972	From: David Girson	Date: 2/19/2006
Subject: AF Smoke Unit

I rewicked my 312 and it smokes great. At one point I had to wind the wire from scratch to get it to fit in the smoke box without the windings touching themselves. I drilled the two holes in the box slightly larger and the wick ends went right through. I'm using Lionel fluid until I find a better smoke fluid. My question is .....is there a correct number of windings of the wire to get the best amount of smoke? I have a voltmeter but what result do you look for on the meter? Is there anything to do on the cylinder piston to get better smoking propulsion? David Girson

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38973	From: Phil K	Date: 2/19/2006
Subject: Radio Shack a victim of evolution

About 40 years ago we had a large electronics store in Chicago called "Allied Radio." It sold, among many things electronic, two- way (ham) radios, parts, tubes, DIY kits and yes, even American Flyer trains. It was a really, really cool place to shop if you were into electronic gadgets. It disappeared when Tandy opened a Radio Shack on what seems every corner, and at RS you could buy ANY electronic part you could think of, just like at Allied Radio. And the guy behind the counter could usually give you some advice about installing those parts. But the electronic industry changed dramatically. People no longer repaired their malfunctioning devices, because of the different technology. They simply tossed them away and bought new ones. The world of electronics suddenly became a world of disposables. So why should we be surprised when Radio Shack's new breed of "I-Don't-Know" employees -- and now 10 percent of its retail locations -- have become disposable, too? Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38974	From: Jenni Sipla	Date: 2/19/2006
Subject: Re: AF Smoke Unit

david I have found 15 to 18 to work extreamly well (will fill the room) especially full throttle. You can get away with 10 wraps for low speed operation. If you wrap tight you should be ok and get many windings this helps keep the windings in place. if you get one or two touching just spread them out with a small screw driver or exacto knife. I use a soldering or project stand (RS about 6 to 10 dollars) to help support the work while you wrap. two nails in a board with clothes pins works well also. bret David Girson <tobeetwo@...> wrote: I rewicked my 312 and it smokes great. At one point I had to wind the wire from scratch to get it to fit in the smoke box without the windings touching themselves. I drilled the two holes in the box slightly larger and the wick ends went right through. I'm using Lionel fluid until I find a better smoke fluid. My question is .....is there a correct number of windings of the wire to get the best amount of smoke? I have a voltmeter but what result do you look for on the meter? Is there anything to do on the cylinder piston to get better smoking propulsion? David Girson S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Relax. Yahoo! Mail virus scanning helps detect nasty viruses! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38975	From: mlmarmer	Date: 2/19/2006
Subject: Re: Radio Shack

Chuck F. I liked your story. When I went to Home Depot, just a wild chance, I asked a clerk stocking things in the electrical dept. if they had TV Tuner Cleaner. He says, "TV?" I said yes, thinking he knew what I said. He says, "Next asile" Well, it was just TV parts. So I asked another clerk who knew what I wanted, and pointed me back to where the first clerk was, where electrical cleaners where, as he said, they probably did not have that and we both said Radio Shack. Sure enough, these cleaners where right where the first got was, but no TV Tuner cleaner. But as Steve in Idaho wrote, I will use alcohol cleaning the reverse unit. Mike Marmer

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38976	From: Charles E. Smith	Date: 2/19/2006
Subject: Re: AF Smoke Unit

You wind to get an Ohm reading. Tom Barker's repair "bible" says 35-50 ohms, measured with the smoke unit not connected. Chuck Smith, On matters of style swim with the current. On matters of substance stand like a rock. Thos. Jefferson (may be paraphrased) ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Girson" <tobeetwo@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 11:32 AM Subject: [S-Trains] AF Smoke Unit > I rewicked my 312 and it smokes great. At one point I had to wind the > wire from scratch to get it to fit in the smoke box without the > windings touching themselves. I drilled the two holes in the box > slightly larger and the wick ends went right through. I'm using Lionel > fluid until I find a better smoke fluid. > My question is .....is there a correct number of windings of the wire > to get the best amount of smoke? I have a voltmeter but what result do > you look for on the meter? Is there anything to do on the cylinder > piston to get better smoking propulsion? > David Girson > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38977	From: mlmarmer	Date: 2/19/2006
Subject: New business in town

Looking at "My Little Town" it has been noted by my wife, that all of our business are food related. So, in order to get something different in my little town, the town has contracted with Radio Shack to build a store here. Since they are in a bind, with sales going down, stores closing and workers being dismissed from further employment, what better opportunity for Radio Shack, who needs a town with no competition and my little town, Population 51, needs more people to move in. Job Applications are down at the Branford Diner on US 30. Mike Marmer

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38978	From: mlmarmer	Date: 2/19/2006
Subject: Re: What to put on your reverse unit

Thanks Steve, as alcohol makes perfect sense! That is what I used to clean my Auror HO slot cars in the 60's. Completely forgot about that! Mike

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38979	From: mlmarmer	Date: 2/19/2006
Subject: Re: Frosty Bar Price War - Competition is a good thing...

Scott, Good idea, as Dairy Queen doesn't use real ice cream! LOL Maybe the town will sell a spot of land for the Dairy Queen. My wife just mention, all we have on the layout is food related business! I see a Radio Shack coming to my little town, population 51. Mike Marmer

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38980	From: mlmarmer	Date: 2/19/2006
Subject: Re: Radio Shack a victim of evolution

What is happening at Radio Shack is happening everywhere. Look at the local hardware stores, that are gone due to Home Depot, the auto mechanic, etc. My father had a camera shoppe in the 1950's and Ritz came along and put him out of business. Go into a Ritz camera shoppe and it is like Radio Shack. Plus, as for Radio Shack, items of making you own things, etc. I think the public helped Radio Shack move in that direction due to more disposable income and the want for things already to go. Mike

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38981	From: g94a95	Date: 2/19/2006
Subject: 354 Silver Bullet

Any folks out there know where I can get a 354 Silver Bullet engine repaired?? The linkage thats rivited to the plastic boiler broke where its attached to the wheels. I dont know how to un rivet it from the shell and replace it without breaking the plastic boiler. I dont think I really want to try it either. Thanx in advance....Bill

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38982	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 2/19/2006
Subject: Saved by my computer!

All the little Mom & Pop stores who had what you needed and could tell you how to use it were forced out of business by the corperate chain stores. At first these stores had what you needed and the employees could tell you how to use it. Now they don't have what you need and they can't tell you anything...except perhaps where to go! (And I don't mean to get what you need!) And some of them are going out of business, due to poor management or evolution (Good point, I never thought of that!) So where DO you go? Where you are right now! Search online to find what you need, it's your only option in many areas anyway. Years ago I hated to mail order anything. It was inconveinient and it often took weeks to get products. But today you look at an online catalog, use your credit card to order the product, and UPS, FedEx, or even the postal folks get it to you in a few days. In most cases you order on Monday and get it on Thursday or Friday! Folks like Doug at Portlines, Don at S Helper, Steve at SnS Trains and many others are just as helpful as Mom & Pop used to be! It's the modern version of small business in a small town. Stumpy Stone...saved by my computer...in the wilds of Appalachia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38983	From: tomminil@aol.com	Date: 2/19/2006
Subject: Re: 354 Silver Bullet

You said it broke at the wheel, if it is the valve link assembly, there are three rivets. To replace the part that acts as a cam he part that is screwed to the wheel. You do not need to remove the assembly from the body. You can just replace the part with the square hole. can you send a picture of the unit? Tom [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38984	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 2/19/2006
Subject: Radio Shack - It's 2006

Stump man & Others, Companies evolve or die... ummm, I think Gilbert sort of was a manifestation of this free enterprise rule... Does it really make sense with today's digital based consumer electronics getting ever lower in cost to supply parts for obsolete devices at a non-integrated level... It is true that more devices shrink and become integrated the cheaper the devices are but the whole device becomes a FRU (Field Replaceable Unit)... But price drives the marketplace... What would you folks do if you were the head of Radio Shack, who by the way is in a resume falsification scandal right now... Continue to offer only passive components at 3 cents a piece to a non-existent market and make sure the stores are staffed by analog EE's with masters degrees from MIT? Have you folks looked inside your cell phones or Ipods lately? Your marketplace will still be served by specialty companies and cottage industries... I also restore and have a few antique radios - there is an amazing selection of parts and reverse engineering of parts services for that hobby... Radio shack is just trying to survive and switch to related consumer electronics that probably saved the company... I know that a few years ago RS was the hot place that kids wanted to go to get RF cars and vehicles for Christmas that only radio shack offered as special designs at good prices... You folks let me know if there's an obsolete market that I can invest in because it's ignoring its dwindling hobbyist base... Let's have Radio Shack go into horses to replace those darn cars... that'll save 'em for us to buy 3 resistors for a penny to drive the profit business model.... PS: I am not a stock holder... Scott Dee -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Stumpy Stone Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 6:23 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re;Radio Shack Here is a glowing example of a company loosing it's way. Radio Shack has lost sight of what it's original core business is. For years you went to Radio Shack to buy COMPONENTS and EQUIPMENT. They carried very little in the way of finished electronic products. Their store staff were KNOWLEDGABLE electrical/electronic people. The name Radio Shack was a slang term from the WWII era which everyone recognized as where you went for parts or advise. Somewhere along the line several years ago Radio Shack started selling electronic products and started doing away with parts. They also started hiring kids right out of high school instead of keeping knowledgable electronics folks on staff. Corperate officers decided there was more profit in finished products (true) than selling thousands of fiddly little parts. They also figured there was no longer any need to keep knowledgable (older, higher paid) people on the store staff. Unfortunately, they are now indistinguishable from any other cheesy electronics/appliance store selling Chinese electronics and cell phones and have lost their original clientel as well. Stores are closing across America. Stumpy Stone...former Radio Shack customer who can no longer find what he needs there. S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38985	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 2/19/2006
Subject: Re: Re;Radio Shack : Frosty Bar Price War

Today there were about 20 ??????????? non train emails to delete. Have you guys forgotten this is about trains not a chat room for opinions about off topic stuff. If you want to chat with someone don't send it to the list. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: "mlmarmer" <mlmarmer@...> To: "Toy Trains" <toytrains@yahoogroups.com>; "TCA Members" <TCA_members_group@yahoogroups.com>; <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; "Ralph Loveless" <RalCor888@...>; "Joann Frund" <jo@...>; "cookie flannery" <cookster1030@...>; "Jeff Snell" <jsnell5990@...> Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 1:19 PM Subject: [S-Trains] New business in town > Looking at "My Little Town" it has been noted by my wife, that all of our > business are food related. > > So, in order to get something different in my little town, the town has > contracted with Radio Shack to build a store here. > > Since they are in a bind, with sales going down, stores closing and workers > being dismissed from further employment, what better opportunity for Radio > Shack, who needs a town with no competition and my little town, Population > 51, needs more people to move in. > > Job Applications are down at the Branford Diner on US 30. > > Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phil K" <waldootten@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 12:05 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Radio Shack a victim of evolution > About 40 years ago we had a large electronics store in Chicago > called "Allied Radio." It sold, among many things electronic, two- > way (ham) radios, parts, tubes, DIY kits and yes, even American > Flyer trains. It was a really, really cool place to shop if you were > into electronic gadgets. > > It disappeared when Tandy opened a Radio Shack on what seems every > corner, and at RS you could buy ANY electronic part you could think > of, just like at Allied Radio. And the guy behind the counter could > usually give you some advice about installing those parts. > > But the electronic industry changed dramatically. People no longer > repaired their malfunctioning devices, because of the different > technology. They simply tossed them away and bought new ones. The > world of electronics suddenly became a world of disposables. > > So why should we be surprised when Radio Shack's new breed of > "I-Don't-Know" employees -- and now 10 percent of its retail > locations -- have become disposable, too? > > Phil K ----- Original Message ----- From: "mlmarmer" <mlmarmer@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; "Phil K" <waldootten@...> Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 1:03 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Radio Shack a victim of evolution > What is happening at Radio Shack is happening everywhere. > > Look at the local hardware stores, that are gone due to Home Depot, the auto > mechanic, etc. > > My father had a camera shoppe in the 1950's and Ritz came along and put him > out of business. Go into a Ritz camera shoppe and it is like Radio Shack. > > Plus, as for Radio Shack, items of making you own things, etc. I think the > public helped Radio Shack move in that direction due to more disposable > income and the want for things already to go. > > Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stumpy Stone" <mrstumpy@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 7:22 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re;Radio Shack > Here is a glowing example of a company loosing it's way. Radio Shack > has lost sight of what it's original core business is. For years you > went to Radio Shack to buy COMPONENTS and EQUIPMENT. They carried > very little in the way of finished electronic products. Their store > staff were KNOWLEDGABLE electrical/electronic people. > The name Radio Shack was a slang term from the WWII era which > everyone recognized as where you went for parts or advise. > Somewhere along the line several years ago Radio Shack started > selling electronic products and started doing away with parts. They > also started hiring kids right out of high school instead of keeping > knowledgable electronics folks on staff. Corperate officers decided > there was more profit in finished products (true) than selling > thousands of fiddly little parts. They also figured there was no > longer any need to keep knowledgable (older, higher paid) people on > the store staff. > Unfortunately, they are now indistinguishable from any other cheesy > electronics/appliance store selling Chinese electronics and cell > phones and have lost their original clientel as well. Stores are > closing across America. > Stumpy Stone...former Radio Shack customer who can no longer find > what he needs there. > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38986	From: G C	Date: 2/19/2006
Subject: S vehicle dimensions.

I'm making a sketch of an S structure for a trucking terminal I want to build and all my vehicles are stored away. Snow on the ground and can't get to them in the garage. What is the height of a trailor as in a tractor trailor. Time period here would be late 40's / early 50's I need to know how high the opening has to be. Any ideas on this would be appreciated. Thanks, Gene Cimino --------------------------------- What are the most popular cars? Find out at Yahoo! Autos [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38987	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 2/19/2006
Subject: Sunday Chat, 2/19/2006, 8:00 pm

Reminder from the Calendar of S-Trains Sunday Chat Sunday February 19, 2006 8:00 pm - 8:00 pm This event repeats every week. Event Location: http://s-scale.org/forum/ Street: http://s-scale.org/forum/ Notes: http://s-scale.org/forum/ ADVERTISEMENT Copyright ©  2006  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved. Privacy Policy - Terms of Service

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38989	From: lember2004	Date: 2/19/2006
Subject: Re: A.F. Aluminum Passenger Cars

To disassemble, unscrew one or both of the die-cast end sections. The screw heads are located close to the ends of the roof and the ends of the frame. The windows were not glued in place, but fit into internal troughs along the windows, which you'll see when you remove an end. Mark --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, ruth.leahy@... wrote: > > > I need your help. Have a 360/364 Santa Fe set with the aluminum cars. The > mag wheel polish works great on restoring the shine, but how do I take the > cars apart so I can reposition the window inserts? The frame is inserted in > to slots, but if you try to tap it out the trucks bind up. How do you > disassemble these cars? Also, were the window inserts originally glued in > place? > > Mike Leahy > Boulder, CO. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38990	From: gacesatg	Date: 2/19/2006
Subject: AFsmoke

Iwind my smoke wicks to 20-30 ohms. the trains smoke great. Just don't let them run with out fluid. try supersmoke from Barts Pheumatics corp. Classic cedar smells like the old AF. Tom Gacesa

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38991	From: Phil K	Date: 2/19/2006
Subject: ATTENTION -- NEW URL FOR CHAT

Look at Paul's message about tonight's chat. There is a new location: http://s-scale.org/forum/ Thought I'd mention it if anyone has trouble getting there by trying to use the old address. Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38992	From: mlmarmer	Date: 2/19/2006
Subject: Re: Re;Radio Shack : Frosty Bar Price War

Glenn, Sorry to upset you about Radio Shack and Frosty Bar writings, as to me, Radio Shack was related to Trains, as I wanted to get some TV Tuner Cleaner to clean my trains. As that lead me to learn from Steve just to use some alcohol. As for the buildings of Radio Shack and Frosty Bar, I felt that this was train related since it had to do with things going on my layout, as I tried to add some humor to the email. You and I have written in the past, and I hope my reply does not upset you, as I am not upset with your reply to my writings but I wanted to make sure you understood why I wrote it, since it related to things involving my layout. Mike Marmer

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38993	From: roy meissner	Date: 2/19/2006
Subject: Re: S vehicle dimensions.

The average height of a semi trailer (ground to top of trailer) in the 40's and early 50's was about 11' to 12'. This remained the same into the early 60's. I would make the openings 12' to 13'. A Hortoy trailer is 2 1/4" or 12', SHS trailer is 2 3/8' or 12' 8", and a Winross trailer is 2 1/2 oe 13' 3". You will have to go by the height of the trailers you will use. You may have to move some snow. Hope this helps. Roy J Meissner ----- Original Message ----- From: "G C" <ecphora123@...> To: <tomminil@...>; <g94a95@...>; <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 5:37 PM Subject: [S-Trains] S vehicle dimensions. > I'm making a sketch of an S structure for a trucking terminal I want to > build and all my vehicles are stored away. Snow on the ground and can't > get to them in the garage. What is the height of a trailor as in a tractor > trailor. Time period here would be late 40's / early 50's I need to know > how high the opening has to be. Any ideas on this would be appreciated. > > Thanks, Gene Cimino > > > --------------------------------- > > What are the most popular cars? Find out at Yahoo! Autos > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38994	From: Roy Inman	Date: 2/19/2006
Subject: Re: Radio Shack - It's 2006

Sure, mass marketing has been the preferred business model, especially in this country. Sears and Montgomery Ward were two of the early pioneers. Difference was, in the past, the local mom and pop stores were more convenient, if a bit more pricey than the mail order houses. And people seemed more willing to pay a bit more for proper instruction on how to install a dripless faucet for instance, hence the local hardware store survived. Now, as someone pointed out, we can order with our CC's or Pay Pal online in minutes or call a toll-free number and get something shipped in 24 hours. The real downside for S trains is that since there (a) aren't as many independent hobby shops across the country and (b) since the few that remain can't afford to carry a large selection in a "minority scale," no one gets to see what great stuff we have, except perhaps at the occasional train show. In the metropolitan area of Greater Kansas City of nearly 2,000,000 residents hardly a single piece of anything S is ever visible in any of the few hobby shops. I can only speak for myself, but when I buy camera and computer stuff for my photo business, I buy locally. Reason being, I can go back to the local specialty store for advice, perhaps for minor repairs, and sometimes for instant exchange in the event of a bad item. Having said that, I have nothing but praise for the excellent service provided by Doug Peck at Portlines, Don at SHS, Joe at Joe's Train Repair and others. I just wish I could by locally as well. Cheers :) Roy Inman > From: Scott Davidson <scottdee25@...> > Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 14:28:52 -0600 > To: 'Stumpy Stone' <mrstumpy@...> > Cc: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] Radio Shack - It's 2006 > > Companies evolve or die... ummm, I think Gilbert sort of was a > manifestation of this free enterprise rule... > > Does it really make sense with today's digital based consumer > electronics getting ever lower in cost to supply parts for obsolete > devices at a non-integrated level...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38995	From: Tom	Date: 2/19/2006
Subject: SHOWCASE LINE CARS

FOUND SOME MORE SHOWCSE LINE CARS PUT THEM IN THIS GROUPS DATABASE AREA CARS ARE OLD NEW STOCK NIB $40 EACH OR 3/$120. MAKE ME AN OFFER TOMMINIL@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38996	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/19/2006
Subject: Drum head photos

Are these your's?? http://s-scale.org/albums/main.php?g2_view=core.ShowItem&g2_itemId=652 Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38997	From: Gary Chudzinski	Date: 2/19/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2959

Sure sounds like the Radio Shack near my home. I hate making the trip when I need something electronic. Chances are, they don't have it, or the clerk doesn't know if RS has it in their inventory, much less know what the item is! It's been many years since a HAM operator has been able to get the electronic parts needed for a project from RS. Gone are the days of good reliable retail mechandising and quality employees! It's all about fat cat executives salaries and bonuses, and investors return. And, oh yes, paying the corporate lawyers to keep 'em out of trouble! I find Mouser to be a good place to get electronic parts. Gary Chudzinski > Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 15:36:45 -0500 > From: "mlmarmer" <mlmarmer@...> > Subject: Radio Shack > > In the business page, today, there is a report that Radio Shack is closing > some stores and laying off some workers, as current earnings are not up to > when RS would like it to be. > > Well, I went to RS yesterday and purchases a volt meter, a 40 watt soldering > pencil and did quite nicely with it several times, thanks to all who gave me > advice on that a few weeks ago and I wanted some TV turner cleaner. > > The clerk, a young man, had no idea what I was taking about as he could not > find it in the store. He gave me a can, of what he thought was Component > cleaner, which we thought we would be electrical things. > > Well, when I got home, the can read Component Cooler, for electrical units. > Wrong product. So I returned it today and they are out of TV Tuner cleaner. > So that is why earning are done. They are out of TV tuner cleaner for > trains! LOL Mike Marmer

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38998	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 2/19/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2959

On Feb 19, 2006, at 10:43 PM, Gary Chudzinski wrote: > Sure sounds like the Radio Shack near my home. I hate making the > trip when > I need something electronic. Chances are, they don't have it, or > the clerk > doesn't know if RS has it in their inventory, much less know what > the item > is! It's been many years since a HAM operator has been able to get > the > electronic parts needed for a project from RS. Gone are the days > of good > reliable retail mechandising and quality employees! It's all about > fat cat > executives salaries and bonuses, and investors return. And, oh > yes, paying > the corporate lawyers to keep 'em out of trouble! I find Mouser to > be a > good place to get electronic parts. > > Gary Chudzinski > > >> Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 15:36:45 -0500 >> From: "mlmarmer" <mlmarmer@...> Haven't they taught the kids how to use the computer? When I go in I tell the kid what I want and he puts it into the computer and it tells him if they have it, then we spend a little time fining it. He knows where to look. Thank you Larry Jackman ljack70117@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 38999	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/19/2006
Subject: Re: Drum head photos

I found the owner! Rick. Are these your's?? http://s-scale.org/albums/main.php?g2_view=core.ShowItem&g2_itemId=652 Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39000	From: ken garber	Date: 2/20/2006
Subject: Re: Contact Cleaner

On 20 Feb 2006 04:32:17 -0000, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com < S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > > > But as Steve in Idaho wrote, I will use alcohol cleaning the reverse unit. > > Mike Marmer > > > I don't know if it will work in this case, but there's a contact cleaner/lubricator that's been made by PECO for years. It's called Electrolube and you'll find it at Walthers, although it's out of stock at the moment. I've had my tube of it for years. Ken [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39001	From: jayhoo64	Date: 2/20/2006
Subject: Re: Re;Radio Shack

glenn_ritter wrote: >Have you guys forgotten this is about trains not a chat room >for opinions about off topic stuff. Oops, I forgot. So, just to keep this train-related... When I need a few electronic odds-and-ends like a chip for a constant-volt light supply or a f.r.e.d. or crossing signal or some such, Radio Shack is usually (was formerly) the most convenient place to go. (Small, low-voltage light bulbs are another thing I yoosta get from them.) Now, of course I don't expect the counter-tenders there to have "an engineering degree from M.I.T.", but if they're gonna SELL components, I don't think it's asking too much that somebody in the store KNOW something about components. A little basic electronics expertise isn't too much to ask of people working an electronics store, I don't think. My point was, it's beginning to look as though we'll all need to go elsewhere to find our very-much train-related electro-devices. The store personnel at RS are often technically inept regarding much of what they're called on to deal in, and it's getting worse. Could that be a sign that RS intends to phase out component sales entirely, becoming just a glorified cell phone store? It wouldn't surprise me. Chuck F.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39002	From: tomminil@aol.com	Date: 2/20/2006
Subject: showcase cars and Trainz

I fixed up the database I goofed when i copied in the cars that are available the database list is correct. The recent posts about Trainz.com got me curious so I went to the TRAINZ website. it is very interesting they are compiling a photo archive of all things trains. So if you want to buy or sell an item they most likely, have a picture of it. This could be a great resource for new collectors, who do not have catalogs, or the flyer books. Tom [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39003	From: ED WHELAN	Date: 2/20/2006
Subject: Layout Wire

BlankDoes anyone have a source for "reasonably" priced 18G stranded copper wire in 100' lengths and various colors? Thanks-Ed [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39004	From: Jim Ensign	Date: 2/20/2006
Subject: 740 Handcars and Sheds

I just got a 740 Handcar off e-bay. Been wanting one for some time. I have it up and running - a little skittish, so I ordered a new set of brushes as the old ones look a little suspect. Most lay-outs I've seen pictures of have the handcar on a dedicated short siding with the handcar on the end of tht track. As you know, the 740 has no reverse, its forward only. My questions are: After you run the car out on the main track, how do you get it back on the siding - just pick it up and re-set it? What is the correct model numbr of the Tool Shed that serves the Handcar? I've seen #741 on one web site and #586 (I think) on e-bay. I think I'm doing something fundamentally wrong - I can't imagine AF having a handcar that would need to be picked up and put back in one spot to start all over again. What am I doing wrong? Jim E.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39005	From: John Simms	Date: 2/20/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2961

Stumpy: I work for the BNSF, I can't figure them out sometimes either. John

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39006	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 2/20/2006
Subject: Re: Layout Wire

Yea well, couple of options. Electrical distributors sell 600 volt THHN (shiny stuff) wire comes on 500' spools. It would be annoying, but five folks could pool together and each spool 100' off of each color. Electronics places sell Belden wire, 300 volt w/ TW insulation, and usually on smaller spools. However, though I have not priced, I assume this will be more expensive as more THHN is sold through electrical distributors than is Belden hook up wire in this digital age where very little is done with discrete electronics, individual low voltage wire signaling, etc... It's all in tiny digital stuff, USB cables, Ethernet, etc... A very different world than even 30 years ago... just commented on that to Carl in planning my family layout. Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39007	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 2/20/2006
Subject: Re: 740 Handcars and Sheds

Using care pick up the 740 by the 4 handles and turn it around....... thats what they are for...... Seriously...... thats what the real handles were for .....to use to pick up an end, turn it and take it off the track..... bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Ensign" <hugoroundhouseflyer@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 10:51 AM Subject: [S-Trains] 740 Handcars and Sheds >I just got a 740 Handcar off e-bay. Been wanting one for some time. I > have it up and running - a little skittish, so I ordered a new set of > brushes as the old ones look a little suspect. > > Most lay-outs I've seen pictures of have the handcar on a dedicated > short siding with the handcar on the end of tht track. > > As you know, the 740 has no reverse, its forward only. My questions > are: > After you run the car out on the main track, how do you get it back on > the siding - just pick it up and re-set it? > > What is the correct model numbr of the Tool Shed that serves the > Handcar? I've seen #741 on one web site and #586 (I think) on e-bay. > > I think I'm doing something fundamentally wrong - I can't imagine AF > having a handcar that would need to be picked up and put back in one > spot to start all over again. What am I doing wrong? > > Jim E. > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39008	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/20/2006
Subject: smoke unit rebuilding

Hi all, Well, I find for a good smoke unit rebuild you need: Good soldering tool and rosin core solder Magnifiers (at least for my eyes!) Replacement parts (pre-wound or do-it-yourself) Small screwdriver Patience Clamping tool to hold smoke unit (an old chassis in a vice is a good tool--screw unit to chassis, clamp chassis in vise--no damage to the smoke unit body!) There are four different ACG smoke units, regular (two versions, smoke element cross ways, with removable bottom plate, smoke element long ways, no removable plate), the HO version, used in old-timer loco and docksiders, and the Casey Jones unit. These instructions are only for the "regular" unit. First, unsolder the wires to the smoke unit, unsolder the element wire too (look for end of wire that is wrapped around the soldering tab, heat the tab and undo the wire with a pair of tweezers--oops forgot to list that as a tool. While the solder is hot, blow on the rivit and open the hole, you can get the solder out of inside later. Now remove the top of the unit, and you can inspect the old element. It is likely that the wick is burnt black and will no longer wick fluid to the heating element. Note that the heating part should be in the middle of it's cavity, not touching anything. This is very important, and your replacement should be just like that! If your smoke unit has the bottom plate, remove it (probably should have done that before clamping into holder, oops). remove all the old wick stuff, being careful of the cardboard insulator. Clean the body (lacquer thinner, tuner cleaner, whatever. . . .) make certain the hold from the piston area is open, little spiders like to nest in there and clog it. Take the new wick, I like to use super glue (another item I didn't list) to make the very ends of the wick pointy, so they can go throught the cardboard and the holes in the body (removable bottom only). Check the windings to see that they aren't touching each other already. now run the wick thorugh the cardboard, and the body. one the inline style ones, place the wick so it is clear of everything in the cardboard, and rinspect the wires. Now measure the ohm reading (oops another tool). I prefer 35-40 ohms, less and the lifespan is shortened, more and you get less smoke. Unwind or add windings to get this reading, measure near the wick, to be more accurate. On the cross ways one, set the cardboard and the wick to be clear and then pull the set into the body thorugh the holes. Make certain it looks right before proceeding. Clean the top plate, make sure the holes in the rivets are open. I use a little bit of gasket maker on the top and bottom plates, for insurance.feed the element wires through the holes, and bring the top plate into position, screw down. Wind the element wire ends around the soldering tabs, and solder, filling the rivet holes. The solder will NOT stick to the wire, that's why you wind it around the tabs and solder over, it's a mechanical connection. Tuck the wick into the bottom, add some smoke fluid, and then put on the bottom plate. Oh yes, check the ohm reading. Now you should have a unit that will drive the non-train people from your train room! S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39009	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 2/20/2006
Subject: Re: Layout Wire

On Feb 20, 2006, at 11:31 AM, Michael Lueck wrote: > Yea well, couple of options. > > Electrical distributors sell 600 volt THHN (shiny stuff) wire comes > on 500' > spools. It would be annoying, but five folks could pool together > and each spool > 100' off of each color. > > Electronics places sell Belden wire, 300 volt w/ TW insulation, and > usually on > smaller spools. However, though I have not priced, I assume this > will be more > expensive as more THHN is sold through electrical distributors than > is Belden > hook up wire in this digital age where very little is done with > discrete > electronics, individual low voltage wire signaling, etc... It's all > in tiny > digital stuff, USB cables, Ethernet, etc... A very different world > than even 30 > years ago... just commented on that to Carl in planning my family > layout. > > Michael Home Depot and Longs and most hardware stores cary this stuff and even though it comes on 500 ft roles they will sell you 100 feet if that is all you want. Thank you Larry Jackman ljack70117@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39010	From: lember2004	Date: 2/20/2006
Subject: Re: 740 Handcars and Sheds

Jim, Some answers: the 741 is the shed that the handcar will go into [actually, for Gilbert, "741" indicated a set made up of the shed and a handcar]. The 585 is a similar structure but without an opening for the handcar. As I'm sure you are aware, an alternative to the 740 is the 742, which reverses automatically by hitting something [e.g. the back of the shed, your hand, etc.] Mark --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Ensign" <hugoroundhouseflyer@...> wrote: > > I just got a 740 Handcar off e-bay. Been wanting one for some time. I > have it up and running - a little skittish, so I ordered a new set of > brushes as the old ones look a little suspect. > > Most lay-outs I've seen pictures of have the handcar on a dedicated > short siding with the handcar on the end of tht track. > > As you know, the 740 has no reverse, its forward only. My questions > are: > After you run the car out on the main track, how do you get it back on > the siding - just pick it up and re-set it? > > What is the correct model numbr of the Tool Shed that serves the > Handcar? I've seen #741 on one web site and #586 (I think) on e- bay. > > I think I'm doing something fundamentally wrong - I can't imagine AF > having a handcar that would need to be picked up and put back in one > spot to start all over again. What am I doing wrong? > > Jim E. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39011	From: mlmarmer	Date: 2/20/2006
Subject: Re: Layout Wire

Ed, Search google for 18 gauge wire and you will find many supplliers. Mike

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39012	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 2/20/2006
Subject: MODEL RAILROADER DVD SERIES

Last month Kalmbach publishing sent me a DVD to review and then pay for. The first DVD in the series featured an American Flyer, Hi-Rail layout by Richard Robinson. I was surprised because Richard is pretty private about his train room and Kalmbach is pretty serious about scale as this was under the Model Railroader label. Did many of you also receive this DVD? I think that this will be helpful with tips when I rebuild my layout. I had visited Richard's layout 4 years ago and these are the pictures. http://www.ramshillfarm.com/GlennRitter/Family/ModelRR/robinsonrr.html Glenn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39013	From: lember2004	Date: 2/20/2006
Subject: How long is an AF K-5 Pacific?

I wish to learn the exact length - from the tip of the cowcatcher to the tip of the tender's knuckle coupler (in closed position) - of a knuckle-couple Gilbert American Flyer K-5 Pacific [such as the 313]. I've gotten conflicting numbers from the literature, and as I don't one one [yet!], I would appreciate help from someone who does have one. Thanks! Mark

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39014	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 2/20/2006
Subject: Re: Saved by my computer! - Can't live with 'em & can't live withou

Stump man, Good point... the web has created new ways to form electronic communities and has offered a place in a market niche for mom & pop services that may not be able to survive without the web... Those definitely include mom & pop train stores and services... Please excuse the digression on a related topic, but I find some of them interesting... You can all spank me later ... ok? Scott Dee -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Stumpy Stone Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 2:39 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Saved by my computer! All the little Mom & Pop stores who had what you needed and could tell you how to use it were forced out of business by the corperate chain stores. At first these stores had what you needed and the employees could tell you how to use it. Now they don't have what you need and they can't tell you anything...except perhaps where to go! (And I don't mean to get what you need!) And some of them are going out of business, due to poor management or evolution (Good point, I never thought of that!) So where DO you go? Where you are right now! Search online to find what you need, it's your only option in many areas anyway. Years ago I hated to mail order anything. It was inconveinient and it often took weeks to get products. But today you look at an online catalog, use your credit card to order the product, and UPS, FedEx, or even the postal folks get it to you in a few days. In most cases you order on Monday and get it on Thursday or Friday! Folks like Doug at Portlines, Don at S Helper, Steve at SnS Trains and many others are just as helpful as Mom & Pop used to be! It's the modern version of small business in a small town. Stumpy Stone...saved by my computer...in the wilds of Appalachia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39015	From: mlmarmer	Date: 2/20/2006
Subject: Re: MODEL RAILROADER DVD SERIES

Glenn, There was a discussion on the TCA list like this a few weeks ago, as CTT did the same thing, sending out these DVD's, as MR and CTT have the same publisher. I believe they want you to buy the DVD, as they also said you can keep it, with out paying. I do not get CTT anymore, so I did not get this. I am just passing along, what many wrote about on the TCA. Mike Marmer

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39016	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 2/20/2006
Subject: Re: MODEL RAILROADER DVD SERIES

Hi Glenn, I also received one of these DVD's. Since they wanted $9 or so,and I didn't order it, I sent it back without looking at it. It might have been worth it. But I just don't have that kind of time any more. Rather spend it on trains or my street rod..... Jerry Poniatowski Registrar 2006 NASG Convention --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Glenn Ritter" <gartrain@...> wrote: > > Last month Kalmbach publishing > sent me a DVD to review and > then pay for. The first DVD in the series > featured an American Flyer, Hi-Rail > layout by Richard Robinson. > I was surprised because Richard is > pretty private about his train room > and Kalmbach is pretty serious > about scale as this was under the > Model Railroader label. > > Did many of you also receive this > DVD? I think that this will be > helpful with tips when I rebuild > my layout. > > I had visited Richard's layout 4 years > ago and these are the pictures. > http://www.ramshillfarm.com/GlennRitter/Family/ModelRR/robinsonrr.html > > Glenn > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39017	From: Robert Graves	Date: 2/20/2006
Subject: Re: showcase cars and Trainz

Yes, TRAINZ.COM has for a long time had a reference database of equipment from over a hundred manufacturers (even Dallee!), and many of the entries have pictures. (In fact, a bunch of the photos are mine!) It's a great resource but the photos tend to be small size and low quality, even the large, high quality pictures I sent them (probably because they compress them a lot to save storage space). I started buillding my Gilbert Gallery so people could get a better look at American Flyer items: http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/trains.html Current status of my gallery: All of Gilbert's boxcars, reefers, stock cars, tank cars, hoppers, gondolas, and crane cars, plus all the Flyonel Chrismas cars, are now listed in my gallery and almost all have pictures, including most of the significant variations and rare cars. I have some more boxcar, caboose, and work car pictures to load and then I'll start on the flatcars and sets. The gallery also has pretty good coverage of Gilbert's most common passenger cars and engines, but at present it's limited to units in my own collection and doesn't yet show the rare ones. There is some Flyonel equipment (Chrismas cars, the MOPAC and NP passenger sets, and a few individual cars) but I don't plan to attack Flyonel in earnest until I finish with Gilbert. More is coming, so stay tuned! I might also mention another site that has a bunch of Gilbert steam engines and freight cars: http://www.geocities.com/bastards_retreat/index.htm Bob tomminil@... wrote: I fixed up the database I goofed when i copied in the cars that are available the database list is correct. The recent posts about Trainz.com got me curious so I went to the TRAINZ website. it is very interesting they are compiling a photo archive of all things trains. So if you want to buy or sell an item they most likely, have a picture of it. This could be a great resource for new collectors, who do not have catalogs, or the flyer books. Tom [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Relax. Yahoo! Mail virus scanning helps detect nasty viruses! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39018	From: James Hannawald	Date: 2/20/2006
Subject: Re: MODEL RAILROADER DVD SERIES

I also got the first one for $9.00, it said you could send back or keep. I kept it and then got hounded for payment. The second one got sent back quickly. It wasn't worth the big increase in price over the first one. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Poniatowski" <poniaj@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 5:52 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: MODEL RAILROADER DVD SERIES > Hi Glenn, > > I also received one of these DVD's. Since they wanted $9 or so,and I > didn't order it, I sent it back without looking at it. It might have > been worth it. But I just don't have that kind of time any more. > Rather spend it on trains or my street rod..... > > Jerry Poniatowski > Registrar 2006 NASG Convention > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Glenn Ritter" <gartrain@...> wrote: >> >> Last month Kalmbach publishing >> sent me a DVD to review and >> then pay for. The first DVD in the series >> featured an American Flyer, Hi-Rail >> layout by Richard Robinson. >> I was surprised because Richard is >> pretty private about his train room >> and Kalmbach is pretty serious >> about scale as this was under the >> Model Railroader label. >> >> Did many of you also receive this >> DVD? I think that this will be >> helpful with tips when I rebuild >> my layout. >> >> I had visited Richard's layout 4 years >> ago and these are the pictures. >> http://www.ramshillfarm.com/GlennRitter/Family/ModelRR/robinsonrr.html >> >> Glenn >> >> >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39019	From: WEG138@aol.com	Date: 2/20/2006
Subject: Re: Track Roadbed - Repainting Track

I ordered 3 pieces of roadbed from Rick Johnson in Torrance, California. They cost $3.00 each + shipping. They arrived today and I made a visual comparison to American Flyer Roadbed (726& 727). They are very similar. On the underside there are some extra ribs on Johnson's roadbed. The similarity is obvious. Before I invest money in a large quantity I would appreciate knowing if anyone who has used Johnson's roadbed had any negative experiences with it. It does look good. I took a series of old, rusty AF tracks and cleaned them with a variety of methods. When I finished I put a thin layer of Vaseline on the top and inside of the rails. I then spay painted them with Rustolium . Then, of course, the Vaseline was removed. They look good and operate almost like new. I hope this tip helps. Bill Greaves [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39020	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 2/20/2006
Subject: Re: MODEL RAILROADER DVD SERIES

Hi all, I paid the $ 9.99 for the first one and it was worth it but they want 29.99 for the second one so I am sending it back. Guess they had to make up for all the no pays on the first one by raising the price. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Poniatowski" <poniaj@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 5:52 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: MODEL RAILROADER DVD SERIES > Hi Glenn, > > I also received one of these DVD's. Since they wanted $9 or so,and I > didn't order it, I sent it back without looking at it. It might have > been worth it. But I just don't have that kind of time any more. > Rather spend it on trains or my street rod..... > > Jerry Poniatowski > Registrar 2006 NASG Convention > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Glenn Ritter" <gartrain@...> wrote: > > > > Last month Kalmbach publishing > > sent me a DVD to review and > > then pay for. The first DVD in the series > > featured an American Flyer, Hi-Rail > > layout by Richard Robinson. > > I was surprised because Richard is > > pretty private about his train room > > and Kalmbach is pretty serious > > about scale as this was under the > > Model Railroader label. > > > > Did many of you also receive this > > DVD? I think that this will be > > helpful with tips when I rebuild > > my layout. > > > > I had visited Richard's layout 4 years > > ago and these are the pictures. > > http://www.ramshillfarm.com/GlennRitter/Family/ModelRR/robinsonrr.html > > > > Glenn > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39021	From: Doug Peck	Date: 2/20/2006
Subject: Re: A.F. Aluminum passenger cars

<<<but how do I take the cars apart so I can reposition the window inserts? The frame is inserted in to slots, but if you try to tap it out the trucks bind up. How do you disassemble these cars?>>> Here's ANOTHER great use for a pair of those Snap-On Tools O-ring pliers that I've mentioned several times in the past! With very little effort, you can use the plier tips to spread the car sides JUST enough to allow the car floor to slide out through the grooves in which it is mounted (assisted by a little lubricant, if necessary.....usually is). As long as the trucks are exactly centered on the floor, they will slide though as well. Those pliers have a number of great uses, but unfortunately are NOT inexpensive. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST), 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: www.portlines.com <http://www.portlines.com/> E-mail: doug@... <mailto:doug@...> VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39022	From: Barry Jamison	Date: 2/20/2006
Subject: Balky Hudson

Have a Hudson that the smoke works well and up to recently ran well. It will sit on track and lights work smokes away and then all of sudden takes of rapidly and goes around the track a short distance and then will stop as fast as it started. Crank up the juice a bit and sometimes it will just take off again sometimes not. Does that sound like bad E- unit? I noticed that the lever that protrude from the unit just flops around. No tension whatsoever. Any help appreciated. Thanks Barry

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39023	From: mlmarmer	Date: 2/20/2006
Subject: Coal Loader

Linda said tonight that the Coal Loader, the one that was reproduced, by Lionel and MTH, reminds her of the "Tanks" the big silver robots with the long arms and legs in a Star Wars movie! The ones where the Wookies trip them, etc. I am sure A.C.Gilbert would be proud to know that his Coal Loader might of inspired the writer of that movie, to make those tanks to look like the coal loader! I will go bang my head against the wall, as I don't understand Star Wars. LOL Mike Marmer

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39024	From: mlmarmer	Date: 2/20/2006
Subject: My Little Town Update

I was showing Linda the latest additions to my little town on US 30, somewhere in PA, when 8 o'clock struck and she abruptly, had to left the room to go watch Ice Skating on the Olympics. Oh well, she loves trains and York, but don't mess with skating I guess. Anyway, I showed her how the Piggyback flatcar unloads and reloads the auto trucks. Pretty neat, as this is the first I have ever seen that operate. I added another "Unknown" name road, intersecting US 30. So, I think soon, it will be time to get some lumber and start the table. Mike Marmer

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39025	From: TWesthelle@aol.com	Date: 2/20/2006
Subject: Truscott Set Info Requested

Hi all, Im wondering if anyone out there has the Truscott Set that has the plastic cowboy and indian sets. I have a few pictures in the Greenburg books, but not with any detail. Was curious if anyone has these could you share any details, such as the color, assortment of cowboys and indians, any other figurines, or tents etc. and the size of the pieces. This is something that isnt documented well, I am trying to find some repro parts to add to the two Truscott sets I have, and am curious as to the details of the originals. Thanks in advance. Tom Westhelle Oviedo, FL [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39026	From: Doug Peck	Date: 2/20/2006
Subject: Re: Layout wire

<<<"reasonably" priced 18G stranded copper wire in 100' lengths and various colors?>>> White, Black, Green, or Yellow 100' / $8.50 Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST), 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: www.portlines.com <http://www.portlines.com/> E-mail: doug@... <mailto:doug@...> VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39027	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 2/20/2006
Subject: Re: Truscott Set Info Requested

tOM ..... i AM NOT SURE WHAT IS IN MINE..... i KNOW CAMAERA AND OTHER STUFF....... CAN BRING TO THE NEXT SHOW IF YOU WISH..... BOB ----- Original Message ----- From: <TWesthelle@...> To: <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 8:27 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Truscott Set Info Requested > Hi all, > Im wondering if anyone out there has the Truscott Set that has the plastic > cowboy and indian sets. I have a few pictures in the Greenburg books, but > not > with any detail. Was curious if anyone has these could you share any > details, > such as the color, assortment of cowboys and indians, any other figurines, > or > tents etc. and the size of the pieces. > This is something that isnt documented well, I am trying to find some > repro > parts to add to the two Truscott sets I have, and am curious as to the > details > of the originals. > Thanks in advance. > Tom Westhelle > Oviedo, FL > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39028	From: Robert Graves	Date: 2/20/2006
Subject: Re: Track Roadbed - Repainting Track

I have a ton of Rick Johnson's roadbed in my layout and am delighted with it. I bought some of it directly from him, but most of it on ebay at a lower cost. WEG138@... wrote: I ordered 3 pieces of roadbed from Rick Johnson in Torrance, California. They cost $3.00 each + shipping. They arrived today and I made a visual comparison to American Flyer Roadbed (726& 727). They are very similar. On the underside there are some extra ribs on Johnson's roadbed. The similarity is obvious. Before I invest money in a large quantity I would appreciate knowing if anyone who has used Johnson's roadbed had any negative experiences with it. It does look good. I took a series of old, rusty AF tracks and cleaned them with a variety of methods. When I finished I put a thin layer of Vaseline on the top and inside of the rails. I then spay painted them with Rustolium . Then, of course, the Vaseline was removed. They look good and operate almost like new. I hope this tip helps. Bill Greaves [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Yahoo! Autos. Looking for a sweet ride? Get pricing, reviews, & more on new and used cars. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39029	From: Gerald Dobbs	Date: 2/20/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2962

Electrical parts??? I buy all of my parts from www.digi-key.com. Better prices, better selection, and in 2 or 3 days it is delivered it to my door. No muss, No fuss. Denver has had and still has several electronic stores, but I have wasted a lot of time and gas trying to buy supplies. Jerry 77-11644

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39030	From: mvandiver2@aol.com	Date: 2/21/2006
Subject: Non smoking 322

Just bought a 322 that does not smoke. Would like some help in identifying and fixing the problem. Thanks. Mike Vandiver [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39031	From: Gerry Evans dba Best of Show Model Build	Date: 2/21/2006
Subject: Sn3 Symposium

Upon my return today from Seattle and the Sn3 Symposium, I checked over all the back-logged e-mail and found no mention of the Symposium. I now feel, therefore, safe in beginning this string. Let's just say that the Sn3 Symposium this year was as good or better than those that proceeded it. Most accommodating was the Seattle weather which most uncharacteristically featured sunshine during the entire span of the Symposium. Dick Karnes and yours truly manned the NASG table where we handed out membership applications, back issues of the "Dispatch," NASG Buying Guides, NASG web site cards, and, in Dick's case, sagely advice. Howard and Judy Sheffield, fresh from O/S Scale West, showed up not as vendors but as spectators and let us display an out-of-the-box SHS 2-8-0 on the NASG table. This drew ooh's and ahh's from the narrow-minded folks as they contemplated reducing the length of the axles, and at about one-third the cost of Sn3 brass................ A nice mix of vendors, new and old, with lots of 1:64 structures, people, critters, trucks, cars, lumber, and detail parts graced the show. Also present were tables with "how-to" DVD/tapes and RR books. Just about anyone with a 1:64 layout or layout wanna-be's would have been pleased with the array. Only three tables/booths showed actual Sn3 rolling stock, two second-hand/non-OEM vendors and the ever-present PBL. Of universal 1:64 appeal, as usual, was the display of PBL tools which no serious modeler would be without. The layouts on-tour were spectacular, but what's new for Sn3 guys? I only wish I'd had more time for touring, but she who-must-be-obeyed insisted we spend at least one whole day while taking in local color along the Seattle waterfront. Next February, the Symposium is near Denver and back in St. Louis in 2008. Well worth the price of admission. Gerry Evans In Flagstaff [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39032	From: FEZANDPAZ@aol.com	Date: 2/21/2006
Subject: Re: MODEL RAILROADER DVD SERIES

The second one is better than the first! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39033	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 2/21/2006
Subject: Re: Brand "new" K5 #312

Thanks to Steve Blackburn at SnS I hae a new Gilbert AF K5. Steve installed a new can motor, with Locomatic control and sound. A terrific sounding whistle and bell. All you "Collectors" don't scream, but I am in the now with my trains, going to refinish the body, clean and repaint and reletter and will have a beautiful engine to compete with all the new power units on line today, recently Steve upgraded my Northern with locomatic control and sound. Both are smooth operating engines, along with my Super Showcaseline S Helper Consolidation and my Mikado by Lionel AF. And just think I have a new Lionel and American Model Northern on the way! S Gaugers have never had it so good, S Helper, American Models, Flyonel are putting out some reallyneat items. It is a good time to be an S Gauger! Jerry Matsick Jacksonville PS - don't forget the Train Show at the Prime Osborn Convention center this Saturday. Yall come ye hear!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39034	From: Jenni Sipla	Date: 2/22/2006
Subject: Re: Non smoking 322

is it a smoke-in-tender unit or smoke-in-boiler mvandiver2@... wrote: Just bought a 322 that does not smoke. Would like some help in identifying and fixing the problem. Thanks. Mike Vandiver [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- What are the most popular cars? Find out at Yahoo! Autos [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39035	From: winchester54947	Date: 2/22/2006
Subject: digest

Thanks to all the AF professors for their helpful experience. Lots of trains running again. Contant Caboose lighting: If you feel like doing it yourself and patronizing Radio Shack then get a $2 bridge rectifier and a $2 5V regulator and a 6V bulb. You have to isolate the AC from the chassis by installing fiber spacer and plastic grommet in the other truck, or isolate the DC and lamp. I used a non-lighted caboose with snap on chassis and an insulated lamp socket. I received a beacon tower?, no ID, and there is a wound coil beneath the bayonet type light socket, it's sheetmetal with fahnstock clips underneath base. What's the coil for? HMMMM Needed some insulated pins for my sectional track setup, thought about the toothpick trick , used sections of miniture plastic tye- wraps successfully. On our new 648 service car there are two felt on each arm, 8 total. They stick out 1/4 inch past the edge of car. Are 8 required? What's the best cleaning procedure? Sometimes it seems all too serious (corporate bankruptcy, Ebay $, customer non-service) I just have to go play trains with my grandson. Yesterday we had a disappointment at the AF circus, Tony the Pony didn't sing, he was just a little hoarse.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39036	From: Edward G.	Date: 2/22/2006
Subject: WARNING... Re: 1955 Calander

Attention Flyer Freaks ...There are a few Crooks on ebay right now selling Calanders that they claim are original 1955 AF calanders ...they are NEW PRODUCTION ...FAKES....One tonite has a bid of 57 bucks ...the seller is Blocking names of bidders so that they cannot be warned ....these calanders are being sold by several diff sellers that ask anywhere from 6 to 12 dollars and up for these so called one of a kind collectables ..BE AWARE >>>WARN OTHERS >>DON'T BE FOOLED.....I mean common Guys ...just how many 1955 original calanders with no pages removed can be suddenly found ...????...Ebay Item #6038586221 Confronting the seller about it gets you a retort like ..P**S Off ..who are you the Ebay police

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39037	From: Bill	Date: 2/22/2006
Subject: LVSG Roundtable Web site

Hi, The Lehigh Valley S Gaugers are pleased to announce that another page has been posted on Dick Karnes New York Central model railroad. Section # 3 - You can follow right along on Dick's modeling and detailing of his S scale model pike. http://www.lehighvalleysgaugers.org/roundtable/2006/2006_02_22_Dick_Karnes.pdf While on our website, please cruise through our other postings, it is all model railroad, even Lottie Steamchester! Enjoy, Bill Fraley, Editor Stan Furmanak, Web Meister [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39038	From: Mark Preman	Date: 2/22/2006
Subject: Vacuum Tubes for 324AC Whistle Controller

I just picked up a handfull of NOS 117P7 tubes for the Gilbert American Flyer 324AC whistle controller. Price is $20 each delivered in the US. Mark (your list sponsor) Mark B. Preman AmericanFlyerTrains.com --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39039	From: WEG138@aol.com	Date: 2/22/2006
Subject: Re: Scenery

I have built 4 tables. They are approximately 3 1/2' x 7', and are used as modules. The tops are made of flat plywood. I've tried two different methods of creating scenery, and they both look bad. Before I get to far into this I would appreciate your insights and recommendations. Any help will be greatly appreciated. Bill Greaves [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39040	From: Edward G.	Date: 2/22/2006
Subject: WARNING... Re: 1955 Calander ...More

In answer to a few of the comments memebers on this list are asking of me ......YES I Immediately filled out a report and forwarded it to E- bay I would only hope that all of you who have looked at this auction and the guys Bad feedback #6038586221 which has the comments blocked out so you cannot read them ...and whos NEG counts stands right now at 53 for the year ...Please add you comments to this guys actions by also contacting E-bay it just builds a better case ...Right now i just wish I could contact the guy who has bid 57 bucks for this worthless thing ...I guess someone could bid a rediculous amount like a million bucks and bugger up the auction ...then the poor sap would be outbid and it would save his money ...HUMMMMMMmmmm Edward -FYRRFYTR

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39041	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 2/22/2006
Subject: Re: Non smoking 322

Hmm. One less smoker in the world. Sounds like a good thing to me. Didn't your mamma tell you it is bad to smoke? :^) Thorin P.S. Other experts will weigh in but I normally find the problem to be in the wiring to the smoke unit. ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 1 Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 15:40:44 EST From: mvandiver2@... Subject: Non smoking 322 Just bought a 322 that does not smoke. Would like some help in identifying and fixing the problem. Thanks. Mike Vandiver

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39042	From: Richard Clouse	Date: 2/22/2006
Subject: Willing to Trade UP Observation Car

Hi Y'all! Please contact me off list if you are interested. I have a Union Pacific "Moon Glow" #8907 Observation Car (AF # 6-48907) like new in box. If anyone is interested in trading please contact me. Regards to all, Rich Clouse [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39043	From: Bill	Date: 2/22/2006
Subject: Lehigh Valley S Gaguers Website

Hi, This is a repeat for those who had a problem with the previous message .... The Lehigh Valley S Gaugers are pleased to announce that another page has been posted on Dick Karnes New York Central model railroad. Section # 3 - You can follow right along on Dick's modeling and detailing of his S scale model pike. http://www.lehighvalleysgaugers.org While on our website, please cruise through our other postings, it is all model railroad, even Lottie Steamchester! Enjoy, Bill Fraley, Editor Stan Furmanak, Web Meister [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39044	From: Art Shifrin	Date: 2/22/2006
Subject: 1955 Calendars

We have a few ORIGINAL PENNSY calendars hanging in our home, preservation framed & utterly not for sale, trade or burglary. Remember, they and all of the other goodies here are guarded by a trio of vicious, snarling Golden Retrievers, and you know about the breed's extremely protective and aggressive nature. Would you like to buy a bridge? Seriously folks, mention of the '55 scam brings to mind the 55 Pennsy Calendar whose artwork is a gaggle of GG1s discharging their trains' passengers for an Army / Navy game. Given how the mere graphic resonates within me, I can't imagine how instense the REAL sight must've been! (even though the boys in NH never offered that great engine in O or S!) Here's an idea for these ebay scammers. Save the addresses of the typical emails we all get from the son of the former finance minister of Timbuktu, etc. Provide those addresses via the ebay messsage utility to the scammers, advising that they're seriously interested potential buyers. Best, Shiffy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39045	From: mvandiver2@aol.com	Date: 2/22/2006
Subject: Smoke is in boiler

Sorry, but I did not mention that my 322 that will not smoke has the smoke unit in the engine, not the tender. All help to identify problem and possible solution will be appreciated. Thanks. Mike Vandiver [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39046	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 2/22/2006
Subject: Re: 3/16" or 1/64 Scale Automobiles

Recently I have purchased various maker's auto and trucks and to my surprise they all claim 1/64 scale, but yet the variance between the different models is really something else. Why is it? and seems like some cars would be better suited for HO rather than S guage. What are the findings of other S Gaugers? Jerry Matsick Jacksonville

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39047	From: Roy Inman	Date: 2/22/2006
Subject: Re: 3/16" or 1/64 Scale Automobiles

Yep, seems typical Jerry. I try to carry along my S scale ruler with me when I go car shopping, although that is no help with mail order. Some manufacturers say that their vehicles are "S sized," whatever that means. Sometimes it doesn't mean 1/64. Roy I > From: Jerry Matsick <jpmatsick@...> > Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 22:24:49 +0000 > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] re: 3/16" or 1/64 Scale Automobiles > > Recently I have purchased various maker's auto and trucks and to my > surprise they all claim 1/64 scale, but yet the variance between the > different models is really something else. Why is it? and > seems like some cars would be better suited for HO rather than S guage. > What are the findings of other S Gaugers? > > Jerry Matsick > Jacksonville > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39048	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 2/22/2006
Subject: Re;Scenery

I have tried alot of different ways to do scenery over the years and I find that what works for one person doesn't always work ther same for someone else. That being said, here's what works for me..... For hills the old standby of cardboard forms and strips for the basic shape. Wadded up newspapers for filling this in. Then cover it all with Woodland Scenics "Plaster Cloth" which is the same stuff they wrap broken arms with at the hospital. Two layers is strong enough. Paint this with a light green latex paint. When dry, paint on white glue and sprend Woodland Scenics light green course turf. You can also mix in areas of medium green and/or dark green turf course and/or fine. You could put in patches of "earth" or other colors as well. The reason I use Light green and course turf is because lighter colors look more natural under incandecent light and the course covers fast. While alot of people like to make rock outcroppings with rock molds and plaster, I find carving extruded styrene (styrofoam) into rock shapes and layer them up until you have a high enough rock face for you hill. There is ALOT to doing scenery. Kalmbach has a very good Scenery book. Even though it is aimed at HO scale, you can use the techniques for S scale. Don't be afraid to experiment with different ways of doing things. Stumpy Stone... still trying new things on every project...Martins Ferry, OH.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39049	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 2/22/2006
Subject: Re;3/16" or 1/64 scale automobiles

I agree! You've got to carry something with you to measure the various venicles you'll find. Many are CLOSE, but there are just as many that aren't even in the ball park! We've discussed why this is in previous posts, and that's not all that important. You can get a Scale Card, or make one up on your own on a piece of cardstock. Or you can use a folded dollar bill as Bob Conners suggested recently. Once I figured out the correct size cars, my next gripe is that almost all of them have huge wheels are painted in wild graphics, and are lowered to the ground. So once you find the right size, you've got to "uncustomize" most of them! Stumpy Stone...have Dremel, will travel...in Appalachia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39050	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 2/22/2006
Subject: Re: Re;3/16" or 1/64 scale automobiles

Stumpy et al., Since everyone in MY world drives a street rod or custom, many are just fine with me! ;>) I still avoid the large wheeled ones, though. The lowering can be fixed by the usual disassembly, as you well know. But if it's just the graphics, you may try this. Use enamel reducer to gently rub them off. DO NOT USE LACQUER THINNER as that will remove most any type of paint as well. I find the reducer generally works quite well. Mask the plastic windows, though as the reducer will craze the plastic. You can only get enamel reducer at an automotive paint supply store, though. It costs about $15 a gallon. That should be enough to do about 5,000 cars. So if you know a car guy who does his own painting, ask him nicely for an ounce or so. I believe Testor's thinner will work too, but I have never tried it. If anybody would like to see a '49 Mercury station wagon and a '53 Buick I did like this lately, contact me off list. The Merc is about the right size, and the Buick is a tad small, but they both look nice anyway. I usually carry around a business sized card with a hand drawn silhouette of a six foot guy. If it looks good, it probably is. This comes from 50 years as a car guy........ Jerry Poniatowski Registarar, 2006 NASG Convention my next gripe is that > almost all of them have huge wheels are painted in wild graphics, and > are lowered to the ground. So once you find the right size, you've > got to "uncustomize" most of them! > Stumpy Stone...have Dremel, will travel...in Appalachia. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39051	From: Patrick McElroy	Date: 2/22/2006
Subject: Re: WARNING... Re: 1955 Calander

It appears this isn't the first time and isn't limited to AF. Seller is "Fayes Southern Memories" http://www.google.com/search?num=30&hl=en&safe=off&q=Fayes+Southern+Memories&spell=1 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edward G." <am-flyr@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 3:35 AM Subject: [S-Trains] WARNING... Re: 1955 Calander > Attention Flyer Freaks ...There are a few Crooks on ebay right now > selling Calanders that they claim are original 1955 AF > calanders ...they are NEW PRODUCTION ...FAKES....One tonite has a bid > of 57 bucks ...the seller is Blocking names of bidders so that they > cannot be warned ....these calanders are being sold by several diff > sellers that ask anywhere from 6 to 12 dollars and up for these so > called one of a kind collectables ..BE AWARE >>>WARN OTHERS >>DON'T BE > FOOLED.....I mean common Guys ...just how many 1955 original calanders > with no pages removed can be suddenly found ...????...Ebay Item > #6038586221 Confronting the seller about it gets you a retort > like ..P**S Off ..who are you the Ebay police > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39052	From: Phil K	Date: 2/22/2006
Subject: WARNING... Re: 1955 Calander

Here's one better: This same seller is offering a supposed authentic poster from the "1st World Series" in 1903 between the "Boston Red Sox" and the "Pittsburgh Pirates." Problem is, the American Leaguers weren't called the Red Sox until about 1908. Whoops! Phil K *************************************************************** --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick McElroy" <pmcelroy@...> wrote: > > It appears this isn't the first time and isn't limited to AF. Seller is > "Fayes Southern Memories" > > http://www.google.com/search? num=30&hl=en&safe=off&q=Fayes+Southern+Memories&spell=1 > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Edward G." <am-flyr@...> > To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 3:35 AM > Subject: [S-Trains] WARNING... Re: 1955 Calander > > > > Attention Flyer Freaks ...There are a few Crooks on ebay right now > > selling Calanders that they claim are original 1955 AF > > calanders ...they are NEW PRODUCTION ...FAKES....One tonite has a bid > > of 57 bucks ...the seller is Blocking names of bidders so that they > > cannot be warned ....these calanders are being sold by several diff > > sellers that ask anywhere from 6 to 12 dollars and up for these so > > called one of a kind collectables ..BE AWARE >>>WARN OTHERS >>DON'T BE > > FOOLED.....I mean common Guys ...just how many 1955 original calanders > > with no pages removed can be suddenly found ...????...Ebay Item > > #6038586221 Confronting the seller about it gets you a retort > > like ..P**S Off ..who are you the Ebay police > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39053	From: ED WHELAN	Date: 2/22/2006
Subject: Re: WARNING... Re: 1955 Calander

Phil, Great investigative work. Kindly advise the ebay item # so we can all send a notice to ebay. Ed Ed -- Here it is: http://tinyurl.com/p658k This poster is known among baseball collectors to be a "mock-up." The seller doesn't come straight out and say it is a repro, but doesn't say it isn't, either. And this mockup is a fairly common piece. Phil K ****************************************************************** ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phil K" <waldootten@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 8:46 PM Subject: [S-Trains] WARNING... Re: 1955 Calander > Here's one better: This same seller is offering a supposed authentic > poster from the "1st World Series" in 1903 between the "Boston Red > Sox" and the "Pittsburgh Pirates." > > Problem is, the American Leaguers weren't called the Red Sox until > about 1908. Whoops! > > Phil K > > *************************************************************** > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick McElroy" <pmcelroy@...> > wrote: >> >> It appears this isn't the first time and isn't limited to AF. > Seller is >> "Fayes Southern Memories" >> >> http://www.google.com/search? > num=30&hl=en&safe=off&q=Fayes+Southern+Memories&spell=1 >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Edward G." <am-flyr@...> >> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> >> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 3:35 AM >> Subject: [S-Trains] WARNING... Re: 1955 Calander >> >> >> > Attention Flyer Freaks ...There are a few Crooks on ebay right > now >> > selling Calanders that they claim are original 1955 AF >> > calanders ...they are NEW PRODUCTION ...FAKES....One tonite has > a bid >> > of 57 bucks ...the seller is Blocking names of bidders so that > they >> > cannot be warned ....these calanders are being sold by several > diff >> > sellers that ask anywhere from 6 to 12 dollars and up for these > so >> > called one of a kind collectables ..BE AWARE >>>WARN OTHERS >>>DON'T BE >> > FOOLED.....I mean common Guys ...just how many 1955 original > calanders >> > with no pages removed can be suddenly found ...????...Ebay Item >> > #6038586221 Confronting the seller about it gets you a retort >> > like ..P**S Off ..who are you the Ebay police >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com >> > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! >> > >> > Enjoy thousands of great photos >> > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail >> > Yahoo! Groups Links >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39054	From: jayhoo64	Date: 2/23/2006
Subject: Re: Re;3/16" or 1/64 scale automobiles

Paint thinner (mineral spirits) will remove most diecast car tampo coatings with a bit of rubbing, but lately I've been using NON-acetone nail polish remover. It involves much less rubbing than ms, thereby being easier on the painted finish you want to keep. Be aware though, that a few colors of paint used on some of the newer diecast cars will be dissolved by just about anything that does the job on the tampoes, including ms. I found this out on a Matchbox "cobalt blue" BMW X5. It's best to test what solvent you'll be using on one of the crimps or some other unseen but painted area of the piece first. Btw, Bert's car pix are currently being re-uploaded to Paul Yorke's new site at the rate of 6 per day (min.). There are 36 in his album as of this writing. That's a long way from the 700+ that were there, but we're working on that... Chuck F.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39055	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 2/23/2006
Subject: Re: My Little Town Update - Signs of civilization

Mike, Is there a 7-11 in your town... it is considered the best sign of some sort of civilization being present in your town... :>) Scott Dee -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mlmarmer Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 7:29 PM To: cookie flannery; Toy Trains; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com; Ralph Loveless; Jeff Snell; Joann Frund; Jeanette Ryba Subject: [S-Trains] My Little Town Update I was showing Linda the latest additions to my little town on US 30, somewhere in PA, when 8 o'clock struck and she abruptly, had to left the room to go watch Ice Skating on the Olympics. Oh well, she loves trains and York, but don't mess with skating I guess. Anyway, I showed her how the Piggyback flatcar unloads and reloads the auto trucks. Pretty neat, as this is the first I have ever seen that operate. I added another "Unknown" name road, intersecting US 30. So, I think soon, it will be time to get some lumber and start the table. Mike Marmer S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39056	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 2/23/2006
Subject: Re: Re;3/16" or 1/64 scale automobiles - Low Riders n Horse sense

Stump man, What do you have against "low riders".... After all what era (decade) are you modeling? Probably no Toyotas, Hondas or Nissans in your layout.... :>) I still want to someday do a harness race track for a layout with the Gilbert Sulkies and horses.... I wonder how scale the horses and riders are? Would you know? Scott Dee -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Stumpy Stone Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 5:05 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re;3/16" or 1/64 scale automobiles I agree! You've got to carry something with you to measure the various venicles you'll find. Many are CLOSE, but there are just as many that aren't even in the ball park! We've discussed why this is in previous posts, and that's not all that important. You can get a Scale Card, or make one up on your own on a piece of cardstock. Or you can use a folded dollar bill as Bob Conners suggested recently. Once I figured out the correct size cars, my next gripe is that almost all of them have huge wheels are painted in wild graphics, and are lowered to the ground. So once you find the right size, you've got to "uncustomize" most of them! Stumpy Stone...have Dremel, will travel...in Appalachia. S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39057	From: keefer1	Date: 2/23/2006
Subject: Re: WARNING... Re: 1955 Calander

And what exactly would "we all" say to ebay. She says she has a full refund policy. you buy from her , pay with paypal funded by a cc, if it's not what she described (which it may be what she described , since she makes no claim of it being authentic) you get an easy refund after you send it back. Ebay will not remove it , because she has the return policy, and she does not make an guaranty it's authentic. Just my 2 cents. Keith --- ED WHELAN <ejw333@...> wrote: > Phil, > Great investigative work. Kindly advise the ebay > item # so we can all send a notice to ebay. Ed > > Ed -- > > Here it is: http://tinyurl.com/p658k > > This poster is known among baseball collectors to be > a "mock-up." > The seller doesn't come straight out and say it is a > repro, but doesn't say it isn't, either. And this > mockup is a fairly common piece. > > Phil K > > ****************************************************************** > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Phil K" <waldootten@...> > To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 8:46 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] WARNING... Re: 1955 Calander > > > > Here's one better: This same seller is offering a > supposed authentic > > poster from the "1st World Series" in 1903 between > the "Boston Red > > Sox" and the "Pittsburgh Pirates." > > > > Problem is, the American Leaguers weren't called > the Red Sox until > > about 1908. Whoops! > > > > Phil K > > > > > *************************************************************** > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick McElroy" > <pmcelroy@...> > > wrote: > >> > >> It appears this isn't the first time and isn't > limited to AF. > > Seller is > >> "Fayes Southern Memories" > >> > >> http://www.google.com/search? > > > num=30&hl=en&safe=off&q=Fayes+Southern+Memories&spell=1 > >> > >> > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Edward G." <am-flyr@...> > >> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > >> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 3:35 AM > >> Subject: [S-Trains] WARNING... Re: 1955 Calander > >> > >> > >> > Attention Flyer Freaks ...There are a few > Crooks on ebay right > > now > >> > selling Calanders that they claim are original > 1955 AF > >> > calanders ...they are NEW PRODUCTION > ...FAKES....One tonite has > > a bid > >> > of 57 bucks ...the seller is Blocking names of > bidders so that > > they > >> > cannot be warned ....these calanders are being > sold by several > > diff > >> > sellers that ask anywhere from 6 to 12 dollars > and up for these > > so > >> > called one of a kind collectables ..BE AWARE > >>>WARN OTHERS > >>>DON'T BE > >> > FOOLED.....I mean common Guys ...just how many > 1955 original > > calanders > >> > with no pages removed can be suddenly found > ...????...Ebay Item > >> > #6038586221 Confronting the seller about it > gets you a retort > >> > like ..P**S Off ..who are you the Ebay police > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > >> > All the Flyer you desire...books and > accessories too! > >> > > >> > Enjoy thousands of great photos > >> > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > >> > Yahoo! Groups Links > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39058	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 2/23/2006
Subject: Re: My Little Town Update - Signs of civilization

I would think there are/were very few 7-11's on Route 30 thru the "Garden Spot of the World", which Mike is representing. Guess the Feds haven't given the Arabs money for that yet. Certainly not in the 50's and 60's. NOTHING convenient around here then. I did pump gas at 13 cents a gallon in a price war tho. Average GMC COE got around 3 MPG loaded then. Jim "Livin' along Rt 30 for way too long" Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39059	From: rapidrail1	Date: 2/23/2006
Subject: Proposed new S scale decals

For those of you who are not on the Great Decals mailing list, I received a card from Bill Mosteller yesterday trying to determine the interest in some new S scale decals. If you are interested in either of the below, you might contact Bill at wsm@... (1) C&O trust plate decals in white, about $3 each. Each set provides 12 pairs of trust plates, six pairs with text suitable to cars boutght in the 1930s, six pairs suitable for cars bought in the 1940s. (2) Decals for Pittsburg and WV locomotives for between $9 and $11 each. This set is for FM diesels, in delux gold, black, and red, includes heralds, road name, and instructions specific to these engines. The artwork was developed by David Spanagel.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39060	From: Phil K	Date: 2/23/2006
Subject: WARNING... Re: 1955 Calander

----- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, keefer1 <keefer1_us@...> wrote: > > > And what exactly would "we all" say to ebay. She says > she has a full refund policy. you buy from her , pay > with paypal funded by a cc, if it's not what she > described (which it may be what she described , since > she makes no claim of it being authentic) you get an > easy refund after you send it back. Ebay will not > remove it , because she has the return policy, and she > does not make an guaranty it's authentic. Just my 2 > cents. Keith I agree, and I doubt there's much anyone can do. Keith is 100 percent right about her having what appears to be a solid refund policy, which sits well with eBay. She also uses PayPal, which also is owned by eBay. The seller is no dummy, either, wording her descriptions to avoid claiming that any of the items are authentic -- she leaves that decision up to the bidders she entices with her homey "found this deep in the Blue Ridge Mountains" schpiel. Apparently, eBay has no problem with this seller, who has some 4500 completed sales in four years. As it says on eBay's home page: Caveat emptor (Let the Buyer Beware). Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39061	From: WEG138@aol.com	Date: 2/23/2006
Subject: Re: scenery

Gerry: Thanks for your offer. I'm going to take advantage of it. During my first attempt I put sawdust on the table (dyed green). However the sawdust was so fine that it was almost flat. I make scroll saw artwork for my church to sell so the sawdust was plentiful. My second attempt dealt with wall insulation boards. I covered them with spackling first. then I tried plaster. When painted it looked pretty bad. I used acrylic paints. the colors were right, but it began to look like a pile of muck from a barn. Finally I tried a Rustoleum spray paint. A dark flat green that was supposed to provide texture. It went on fine. then I rubbed it with my hand. It did not take to the wood. Right now it is just green dust sitting on top on the table. I looked up Woodland Scenic's stuff. I'm willing to give it a try. Before i start randomly buying I really need to know what I'm doing. The articles I've read didn't prepare me for this. Any help will be greatly appreciated. Thanks Bill Greaves [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39062	From: Steven Allen	Date: 2/23/2006
Subject: AM Heavyweight Combo's

Hi, I'm looking for 2 AM heavyweight combo's to strip and refinish. If anyone has any that are willing to sell, or possibly trade, please contact me offline. I'm not looking for anything that has alreay been customized. Cars can be either hi-rail or scale. Thanks, Steve

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39063	From: Robert Boring	Date: 2/23/2006
Subject: Re: scenery

Bill, Take a look at Bragdon Ent. scenery material. I have used it on the Northwest S Scalers layout and really like it. It's not hard to do and produces some fantastic results. Their web site is http://www.bragdonent.com/index.htm Bob Boring ----- Original Message ----- From: <WEG138@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; <cgsiegel@...> Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 9:12 AM Subject: [S-Trains] RE: scenery > Gerry: > Thanks for your offer. I'm going to take advantage of it. > During my first attempt I put sawdust on the table (dyed green). > However the sawdust was so fine that it was almost flat. I make scroll > saw artwork > for my church to sell so the sawdust was plentiful. > My second attempt dealt with wall insulation boards. I covered them > with spackling first. then I tried plaster. When painted it looked pretty > bad. I > used acrylic paints. the colors were right, but it began to look like a > pile > of muck from a barn. > Finally I tried a Rustoleum spray paint. A dark flat green that was > supposed to provide texture. It went on fine. then I rubbed it with my > hand. It > did not take to the wood. Right now it is just green dust sitting on top > on > the table. > I looked up Woodland Scenic's stuff. I'm willing to give it a try. > Before i start randomly buying I really need to know what I'm doing. The > articles > I've read didn't prepare me for this. > Any help will be greatly appreciated. > Thanks > Bill > Greaves

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39064	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 2/23/2006
Subject: Re: scenery

Dear Bob, We use this on our display layout and we highly recommend. It is light weight and can be used in a variety of ways. We talk about it in our Track Planning Guide. Don Robert Boring wrote: >Bill, Take a look at Bragdon Ent. scenery material. I have used it on the >Northwest S Scalers layout and really like it. It's not hard to do and >produces some fantastic results. Their web site is >http://www.bragdonent.com/index.htm > >Bob Boring > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39065	From: Neil Trump	Date: 2/23/2006
Subject: Re: WARNING... Re: 1955 Calander

I emailed the seller and asked if it is an origianl or a reprint. Someone called Faye returned an email and said it was an original Regards, Neil ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phil K" <waldootten@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 4:50 PM Subject: [S-Trains] WARNING... Re: 1955 Calander > ----- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, keefer1 <keefer1_us@...> wrote: > > > > > > And what exactly would "we all" say to ebay. She says > > she has a full refund policy. you buy from her , pay > > with paypal funded by a cc, if it's not what she > > described (which it may be what she described , since > > she makes no claim of it being authentic) you get an > > easy refund after you send it back. Ebay will not > > remove it , because she has the return policy, and she > > does not make an guaranty it's authentic. Just my 2 > > cents. Keith > > > I agree, and I doubt there's much anyone can do. Keith is 100 > percent right about her having what appears to be a solid refund > policy, which sits well with eBay. She also uses PayPal, which also > is owned by eBay. The seller is no dummy, either, wording her > descriptions to avoid claiming that any of the items are authentic -- > she leaves that decision up to the bidders she entices with her > homey "found this deep in the Blue Ridge Mountains" schpiel. > Apparently, eBay has no problem with this seller, who has some 4500 > completed sales in four years. > > As it says on eBay's home page: Caveat emptor (Let the Buyer Beware). > > Phil K > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39066	From: Phil K	Date: 2/23/2006
Subject: WARNING... Re: 1955 Calander

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Neil Trump" <neil.trump@...> wrote: > I emailed the seller and asked if it is an origianl or a reprint. Someone called Faye returned an email and said it was an original > > Regards, > > Neil WOW! Suddenly, there is a glut of these posters available on Ebay! And she (Faye) has an original! I did this search and there are no fewer than NINE of these rare posters available for sale right now -- hers being the most expensive. And one of those nine is a COPY of a REPRO: http://tinyurl.com/qhakn What a great time for sports collectors! LOL By the way, please note that there is NO information on the poster as to where the game is, how much tickets cost, time of game, etc. Phil K > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Phil K" <waldootten@...> > To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 4:50 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] WARNING... Re: 1955 Calander > > > > ----- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, keefer1 <keefer1_us@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > And what exactly would "we all" say to ebay. She says > > > she has a full refund policy. you buy from her , pay > > > with paypal funded by a cc, if it's not what she > > > described (which it may be what she described , since > > > she makes no claim of it being authentic) you get an > > > easy refund after you send it back. Ebay will not > > > remove it , because she has the return policy, and she > > > does not make an guaranty it's authentic. Just my 2 > > > cents. Keith > > > > > > I agree, and I doubt there's much anyone can do. Keith is 100 > > percent right about her having what appears to be a solid refund > > policy, which sits well with eBay. She also uses PayPal, which also > > is owned by eBay. The seller is no dummy, either, wording her > > descriptions to avoid claiming that any of the items are authentic -- > > she leaves that decision up to the bidders she entices with her > > homey "found this deep in the Blue Ridge Mountains" schpiel. > > Apparently, eBay has no problem with this seller, who has some 4500 > > completed sales in four years. > > > > As it says on eBay's home page: Caveat emptor (Let the Buyer Beware). > > > > Phil K > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39067	From: keefer1	Date: 2/23/2006
Subject: Re: WARNING... Re: 1955 Calander

Neil, the calender or the red sox poster ? Which item did you inquire about? --- Phil K <waldootten@...> wrote: > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Neil Trump" > <neil.trump@...> wrote: > > I emailed the seller and asked if it is an > origianl or a reprint. > Someone called Faye returned an email and said it > was an original > > > > Regards, > > > > Neil > > WOW! Suddenly, there is a glut of these posters > available on Ebay! > And she (Faye) has an original! I did this search > and there are no > fewer than NINE of these rare posters available for > sale right now -- > hers being the most expensive. And one of those nine > is a COPY of a > REPRO: > > http://tinyurl.com/qhakn > > What a great time for sports collectors! LOL > > By the way, please note that there is NO information > on the poster > as to where the game is, how much tickets cost, time > of game, etc. > > Phil K > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Phil K" <waldootten@...> > > To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 4:50 PM > > Subject: [S-Trains] WARNING... Re: 1955 Calander > > > > > > > ----- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, keefer1 > <keefer1_us@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > And what exactly would "we all" say to ebay. > She says > > > > she has a full refund policy. you buy from her > , pay > > > > with paypal funded by a cc, if it's not what > she > > > > described (which it may be what she described > , since > > > > she makes no claim of it being authentic) you > get an > > > > easy refund after you send it back. Ebay will > not > > > > remove it , because she has the return policy, > and she > > > > does not make an guaranty it's authentic. Just > my 2 > > > > cents. Keith > > > > > > > > > I agree, and I doubt there's much anyone can do. > Keith is 100 > > > percent right about her having what appears to > be a solid refund > > > policy, which sits well with eBay. She also uses > PayPal, which > also > > > is owned by eBay. The seller is no dummy, > either, wording her > > > descriptions to avoid claiming that any of the > items are > authentic -- > > > she leaves that decision up to the bidders she > entices with her > > > homey "found this deep in the Blue Ridge > Mountains" schpiel. > > > Apparently, eBay has no problem with this > seller, who has some > 4500 > > > completed sales in four years. > > > > > > As it says on eBay's home page: Caveat emptor > (Let the Buyer > Beware). > > > > > > Phil K > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > > > > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > > > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39068	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 2/23/2006
Subject: Re;3/16" or 1/64 autos-low riders & horse sense

Okay Scott and y'all...I'm a car guy and I like souped up rides. HOWEVER, it's just too unrealistic that EVERY vehicle on the layout is some kind of specialty vehicle. I mean, look around...these are only a small part of what's on the road in the big world! I'm a fan of the "transition era" of railroading when steam was giving way to diesels. Being old enough to be around then, I don't remember even the few finished custom cars of the day looking anything like what comes in the blister packs at Wally World. I would rather buy "stock" vehicles and hot rod a few of them for the layout. I think I could do a more tasteful job than some of stuff made by Hot Wheels, Matchbox, etc. On the other hand, as twisted as my sense of humor can be a world of all hot rods and custom cars kind of appeals to me. To make this really work, I'd have to creat some customized trains to match! Electro-Motive F-7s painted glossy black with flames sounds right! Or maybe a Hudson with chrome plated pilot, running boards, and domes...and of course white wall driver tires! Then painted Candy Apple Red! Streamline passenger cars lowered to the point you can't see the wheels at all! Ah, yes! Stumpy Stone...going over the edge in Appalachia!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39069	From: Doug Peck	Date: 2/23/2006
Subject: Re: Scenery

<<<Then cover it all with Woodland Scenics "Plaster Cloth" which is the same stuff they wrap broken arms with at the hospital. >>> Exactly right....and if you have any sort of a medical supply business near you.....most good-size cities do.....you can buy this stuff by the case a LOT cheaper than the WS product!!!!! Our club has done this at least a couple of times, and split up the case amongst interested members. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST), 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: www.portlines.com <http://www.portlines.com/> E-mail: doug@... <mailto:doug@...> VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39070	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 2/23/2006
Subject: Allentown (PA) This Weekend

The GREAT Allentown Train Meet Associates (ATMA) Show is this weekend at the Allentown Fairgrounds, in AG Hall, only several blocks off of US Rt 222 in Allentown, PA. Always a large and varied show, every scale and gauge will be represented PLUS operating layouts for the kids in all of us. Train races for those who can reach the floor. My tables, NS-5 & 6 are conveniently located in the NEW Section, near the Snack Bar and several other S gauge guys. Stop by and say hello, I'll be wearing red suspenders and a smile all day long, both days. Jim Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39071	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 2/23/2006
Subject: Re: Jacksonville Train Show

Special Invite to all S Gaugers to attend the show at the Prime Osborn Convention center this Saturday and if you desire I will be having an open house for my layout from 1 to 4 PM. I live 8 miles from the Convention Center on the Westside. Jerry Matsick

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39072	From: Don Thompson	Date: 2/24/2006
Subject: Re: Plaster cloth

Dear Doug, Why fool around with plaster, if you want to use cast material, I would go for the fibreglass. It is impregnated with WEP (water expanding polyester). We used to use it at the school all of the time, Just dip it in a bucket of water and apply. You do need to use the entire rool with this. Get a pair of scissors just for cutting and go to town over strips of carboard hot glued to blue foam ribs. This would be much lighter and more stable to movement. Great for layouts. Best, Don Doug Peck wrote: ><<<Then cover >it all with Woodland Scenics "Plaster Cloth" which is the same stuff >they wrap broken arms with at the hospital. >>> > >Exactly right....and if you have any sort of a medical supply business near you.....most good-size cities do.....you can buy this stuff by the case a LOT cheaper than the WS product!!!!! Our club has done this at least a couple of times, and split up the case amongst interested members. > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39073	From: Jim Ensign	Date: 2/24/2006
Subject: Chrome re-finishing??

I have a set of three chrome (not aluminum) AF passenger cars, the 660, 661, and 662. These cars have all suffered major damage to the chrome finish - maybe they sat in bright sunlight??? Much of each car is down to the black plastic base plastic. Is there any way to refinsh these cars in a satisfactory way in the home workshop? I have read about re-plating services, but they cost $50 a piece and I doubt if these cars would be worth $50 each after re- plating. I see various brands of "chrome" paint in the stores, but I'm hesitant to try them on the cars. Of course, I don't have much to lose, they're not worth much the way they are. Anyone out there had any luck with refinishing these? Jim E.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39074	From: Dave Farquhar	Date: 2/24/2006
Subject: Re: Re;3/16" or 1/64 autos-low riders & horse sense

Speaking of low riders and hot-rods, at Big Lots earlier this week I spotted some 1/64s by Jada, done up as budget 50s hot rods in primer. If you're wanting to un-customize them, once you get the decals removed, you may be able to skip the paint-stripping step and just paint over the primer. They were $1.99. I recall seeing a '32 Ford, a '40 Ford, and various cars from the early '50s. Dave Farquhar --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Stumpy Stone" <mrstumpy@...> wrote: > > Okay Scott and y'all...I'm a car guy and I like souped up rides. > HOWEVER, it's just too unrealistic that EVERY vehicle on the layout is > some kind of specialty vehicle. I mean, look around...these are only

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39075	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 2/24/2006
Subject: Stopping an A-B-A w/ a 761 Semaphore

Planning ahead, I assume an A-B-A is the longest AF power out there, yes? Stopping such with a 761 semaphore, does the first engine stall, the back engine pushes until it too enters the isolated block? Pulling long enough of a train that the second engine can not push/pull cause issues? (Not to mention the lead engine with stalled wheels is harder to push). Just figure I would wire with the longest engine in mind, easier than changing later. 761 will have to go at the far end of the isolation section I think. Shorter engines thus stop further from it. If the 761 was close to the beginning of the isolation section, the longer engines might be past the 761 while stopped... would not look quite right. Anyway... LUNCH! Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39076	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 2/24/2006
Subject: Re: Chrome re-finishing??

Plastic does not hold chrome plating. They look nice when new but change over the years. Even if you had a pro redo them they would loose the chrome over time again. On Feb 24, 2006, at 10:40 AM, Jim Ensign wrote: > I have a set of three chrome (not aluminum) AF passenger cars, the > 660, > 661, and 662. These cars have all suffered major damage to the chrome > finish - maybe they sat in bright sunlight??? Much of each car is > down > to the black plastic base plastic. > > Is there any way to refinsh these cars in a satisfactory way in the > home workshop? I have read about re-plating services, but they cost > $50 a piece and I doubt if these cars would be worth $50 each after > re- > plating. > > I see various brands of "chrome" paint in the stores, but I'm hesitant > to try them on the cars. Of course, I don't have much to lose, > they're > not worth much the way they are. > > Anyone out there had any luck with refinishing these? > > Jim E. Thank you Larry Jackman ljack70117@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39077	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 2/24/2006
Subject: Great News

I just figured out how to add a module to the albums that changes the url from the long funkey one a more reasonable one. Like http://s-scale.org/albums/v/s-vendors/Stoltz/ for Tom's album You will see the URL in the browser window when you visit. You can also send someone a slideshow link http://s-scale.org/albums/main.php?g2_view=slideshow.Slideshow&g2_itemId=878 Big thanks to our gallery admins : bassflyer Rick Evans bAssflyer at charter net beebear John Frankforther beebear at buckeye-express com pianoman Michael Lueck pianoman at lueckdatasystems com I hope you will contact us if you need an album or help setting one up. It is easier than you think. Paul Yorke s_trains at yahoo com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39078	From: trainman634	Date: 2/24/2006
Subject: American Flyer Track

I am wondering what will happen to the American Flyer track that K-Line manufactured? If Lionel buys K-Line, I hope they will manufacture the A.F. track. They could add the track to the American Flyer sets they sell. What do the members of the group think?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39079	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 2/24/2006
Subject: Re: American Flyer Track

In principle I too hope they keep making the track. Both the wide radius curves and extra long straights are of interest to me for a future large layout. I envision all wide radius curves on the main line, and long straights anywhere they fit... thus excluding blocks, switches, etc... Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39080	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 2/24/2006
Subject: Tip for loose fitting AF track

Though I selected only the top grade sections of track for our 8x8 layout, some sections still end up being a bit loose. I was keeping a pile of sections available, and would connect ones that fit tightly together... that gets kind of annoying though. Then I came up with an idea, and is actually a solid solution to the problem. I use a pair of regular adjusting pliers, set in the "close" mode, and tinch the offending loose rail a bit. If you look at a factory section, there are tinch spots which keep the pin in. Well, using the pliers to tinch EVER SO SLIGHTLY along the sides of the rail the length of where the pin will be sliding in... makes for a nice firm fit. http://www.channellock.com/acb/stores/1/6_inch_Slip_Joint_Plier-Thin_N_P8C10.cfm After all of the track cleaning I have done, complete switch rehabs, etc... the layout runs amazingly well with only a single power feed at this time. I decided that since this is only a "practice layout" that I am using AF power clips for this one... solder to the rails for the next layout. Nothing like "brand new" 50 year old track! :-) Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39081	From: firex43	Date: 2/24/2006
Subject: Adding Sound and Rectifier to AF 596 Operating Water Tank

Hello, I am trying to locate an article that has been printed in one of the hobby magazines that dealt with adding a sound unit and a rectifier to an AF 596 Operating Water Tank. Any info on this search would be greatly appreciated. Please respond off-list. Thank you in advance for your help. Regards, John Keating

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39082	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 2/24/2006
Subject: FW: [Mini-Bunch] Re: Midwest Narrow Gauge Show

Although this is a narrow gauge meet, thought I'd pass it on. Open the link and look at the number of Sn layout tours! Dick Aurora, OH -----Original Message----- From: Mini-Bunch@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Mini-Bunch@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of m2fq@... Sent: Friday, February 24, 2006 8:15 AM To: Mini-Bunch@yahoogroups.com; Maine2footquarterly@yahoogroups.com; MaineTwoFooters@yahoogroups.com; on3@yahoogroups.com; HOn3@yahoogroups.com; Sn3@yahoogroups.com; Southwest_Narrow_Gaugers@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Mini-Bunch] Re: Midwest Narrow Gauge Show http://www.narrowtracks.com/midwestnarrowgaugeshow/index.htm Midwest Narrow Gauge Show is March 31 - April 1 Full two days of clinics, vendors, model contest, operating displays and layouts. Large, modern facility with separate clinic rooms, model contest room, display room, etc. On site food service provided by the Greenford Cupboard -- expanded menu this year. Friday evening program at 7:00. Locomotives of the WW&F Treats, goodies and coffee will be available. Vendor list Fast Tracks will be there as well as doing clinics on their products! You will not want to miss this. David Hoffman (Bald One Loco Works) Colorado Narrow Gauge Quarterly Hamm River Model Deerfield River Laser Freshwater Models Turner Model Works Raggs to Riches Rickety Rails Underground Railway Press Railhead Publications M2FQ and LID Train & Trooper C&D Model Engineering Clear Block Productions Wiseman Model Service 1:64 Modeling Guide Doctor Ben's Vision Caster, LLC Full blown model contest with cash prizes! Top prize this year will be an EBT Precision Craft On30 Goose!!! This alone is worth the trip -- bring your model and take a chance. Clinics: Fast Tracks Switch and Turnout Assembly Clinic by Tim Warris and Company. Learn how to use Fast Tracks turnout assembly fixtures by the pros. OR&W M-O-W by Bill Logan Modeling Whitefield by Pete Magoun HOn30 by Pete Magoun Virtual Model Railroading by Russ Milland Hands on Modeling by Noll Horan (time and place TBD) WW&F Locomotives by Chris McChesney and Gary Kohler Locomotives of the White Pass & Yukon Route by Robert Bell Imagine, a Climax locomotive, Colorado & Southern, Silverton Northern, East Tennessee & Western North Carolina, and Denver & Rio Grande Western narrow gauge locomotives all working on the same rails! Truth is stranger than fiction. Take a look at the eclectic range of narrow gauge locomotives, steam to diesel, that have plied the rails of the White Pass. Weyerhaeuser Lumber by Frank Telewski Lancaster, Oxford & Southern by Joe Hueber Tentative: Cleveland Area Narrow Gauge Layouts Showcase by John Chlebowski Gary Kohler M2FQ Publications PO Box 133 Washingtonville, OH 44490-0133 330-702-0117 www.lightirondigest.com www.maine2footquarterly.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] SPONSORED LINKS Ho <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Ho+scale+trains&w1=Ho+scale+trains&w2=S cale+model+train&w3=N+scale+train+set&w4=G+scale+model+train&w5=Ho+scale+mod el+train&w6=G+scale+train&c=6&s=137&.sig=r55NhslOSRbKz6PTwhMM7A> scale trains Scale <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Scale+model+train&w1=Ho+scale+trains&w2 =Scale+model+train&w3=N+scale+train+set&w4=G+scale+model+train&w5=Ho+scale+m odel+train&w6=G+scale+train&c=6&s=137&.sig=y6D49u_lTs0u_b9j4iEpyA> model train N <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=N+scale+train+set&w1=Ho+scale+trains&w2 =Scale+model+train&w3=N+scale+train+set&w4=G+scale+model+train&w5=Ho+scale+m odel+train&w6=G+scale+train&c=6&s=137&.sig=kZfyLuYD3J9uAXMvVNfBHw> scale train set G <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=G+scale+model+train&w1=Ho+scale+trains& w2=Scale+model+train&w3=N+scale+train+set&w4=G+scale+model+train&w5=Ho+scale +model+train&w6=G+scale+train&c=6&s=137&.sig=GjvxVKViBDxElBb43zDCKQ> scale model train Ho <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Ho+scale+model+train&w1=Ho+scale+trains &w2=Scale+model+train&w3=N+scale+train+set&w4=G+scale+model+train&w5=Ho+scal e+model+train&w6=G+scale+train&c=6&s=137&.sig=33-2YNsxlIvJoycHt5c12A> scale model train G <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=G+scale+train&w1=Ho+scale+trains&w2=Sca le+model+train&w3=N+scale+train+set&w4=G+scale+model+train&w5=Ho+scale+model +train&w6=G+scale+train&c=6&s=137&.sig=NCcfAcyv9SWBhgl8kFo5MQ> scale train _____ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS * Visit your group "Mini-Bunch <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Mini-Bunch> " on the web. * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Mini-Bunch-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Mini-Bunch-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe> * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> . _____ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39083	From: rkuepper	Date: 2/24/2006
Subject: Re: Great News

Great job, as always! Dick Aurora, OH -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Paul Yorke Sent: Friday, February 24, 2006 11:58 AM To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Great News I just figured out how to add a module to the albums that changes the url from the long funkey one a more reasonable one. Like http://s-scale.org/albums/v/s-vendors/Stoltz/ for Tom's album You will see the URL in the browser window when you visit. You can also send someone a slideshow link http://s-scale.org/albums/main.php?g2_view=slideshow.Slideshow&g2_itemId=878 Big thanks to our gallery admins : bassflyer Rick Evans bAssflyer at charter net beebear John Frankforther beebear at buckeye-express com pianoman Michael Lueck pianoman at lueckdatasystems com I hope you will contact us if you need an album or help setting one up. It is easier than you think. Paul Yorke s_trains at yahoo com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39084	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 2/24/2006
Subject: Updated Lueck Layout Plan

OK, I've uploaded the current plan map to the new photo area. Here is the URL. http://s-scale.org/albums/v/friends/pianoman/layout/8x8/LUECK1.PNG.html Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39085	From: Art Shifrin	Date: 2/24/2006
Subject: Circuitry mitzvahs

Hi Gang, A failure's occurred on my network here at Ye Olde Choo Choo and Wax Werkes, so I cannot access my archive of train graphics, which include circuits, et. al. So, might any of you to whom I've already sent the two tube info JPEGS step up to the proveribal plate (to those of you know tube technooogy, this is an intentional pun) & relay them to whomever has requested them from me since this past Monday? I certainly wouldn't mind sending them out when the problem finally gets resolved, but I can easily forget to do such errands if I don't immediately act of them & I don't want to have it even seem to appear that I'm being an uncooperative pain in the S....... Also, might any of you have stashes of Gilbert's bakelite roadbed type HO track in rather nice shape? I've decided to add an upper level of the stuff to my alternate universe..... Best, Shiffy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39086	From: trainman634	Date: 2/24/2006
Subject: Installing wheelsets

Is there a trick to installing wheelsets on American Flyer diecast freight car trucks. I have a AF/LTI freight car with the newer freight car trucks and no wheelsets. How do I install the wheelsets without damaging the trucks? Thanks for your help.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39087	From: Larry Moore	Date: 2/24/2006
Subject: Re: Chrome re-finishing??

Jim, I have done extensive experimentation with probably every chrome paint on the market. I build a lot of plastic model cars and was trying to get a more realistic look for the kit chromed pieces. There is nothing that I have found to achieve that see yourself mirrored look. The best overall I have used is Testors chrome spray paint. It does a fairly decent job. My recommendation to you would be to buy some sheet styrene at your local hobby shop and some different paints and make some samples and decide which one you can live with. Good luck, and let me know, what you come up with, and I might try it, if it is something I have not tried. Larry ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Ensign<mailto:hugoroundhouseflyer@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com<mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, February 24, 2006 10:40 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Chrome re-finishing?? I have a set of three chrome (not aluminum) AF passenger cars, the 660, 661, and 662. These cars have all suffered major damage to the chrome finish - maybe they sat in bright sunlight??? Much of each car is down to the black plastic base plastic. Is there any way to refinsh these cars in a satisfactory way in the home workshop? I have read about re-plating services, but they cost $50 a piece and I doubt if these cars would be worth $50 each after re- plating. I see various brands of "chrome" paint in the stores, but I'm hesitant to try them on the cars. Of course, I don't have much to lose, they're not worth much the way they are. Anyone out there had any luck with refinishing these? Jim E. S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com<http://www.americanflyertrains.com/> All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail<http://s-scale.org/albums/modelrail> Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39088	From: mlmarmer	Date: 2/24/2006
Subject: Re: [toytrains] uh-oh what's this-mayhem at Mike's

Erney, Are you referring to me? O:)! The yellow and Orange boxes are from MTH, not Lionel, as they are S reproductions of the Sawmill, Coal Loader and Water Tower. The other box was a set box from 1958, AF. I did however, order a reproduction of the AF track gang from Flyonel or Lionel to you O people. The things behind the plexi-glass will never be run on the layout, as S Helper items will do nicely. Yes, if I overloaded the list with many emails the past few weeks, that is because this is the first true AF layout I have ever had, as I am 50. It has been real exciting to me, as I tried to add a bit of humor to them, as I did upset a few, as I got a few "hate" emails. Sorry, just my excitement of what I have been missing for many years. Mike Marmer

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39089	From: Charles E. Smith	Date: 2/24/2006
Subject: Re: Chrome re-finishing??

I have an ancient 8 ounce can of Derusto high gloss aluminum that comes close to a chrome look (it's actually more metallic than any silver paint I've ever seen. It worked great on a pair of K-Line black plastic crossing signals which are now chrome looking. For a car I would use an air brush and several light coats. I saw the brand advertised on the web. Chuck Smith, On matters of style swim with the current. On matters of substance stand like a rock. Thos. Jefferson (may be paraphrased) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Moore" <mo2337@...> To: "Jim Ensign" <hugoroundhouseflyer@...>; "s-trains" <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, February 24, 2006 8:18 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Chrome re-finishing?? > Jim, I have done extensive experimentation with probably every chrome paint on the market. I build a lot of plastic model cars and was trying to get a more realistic look for the kit chromed pieces. There is nothing that I have found to achieve that see yourself mirrored look. The best overall I have used is Testors chrome spray paint. It does a fairly decent job. My recommendation to you would be to buy some sheet styrene at your local hobby shop and some different paints and make some samples and decide which one you can live with. Good luck, and let me know, what you come up with, and I might try it, if it is something I have not tried. Larry > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jim Ensign<mailto:hugoroundhouseflyer@...> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com<mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Friday, February 24, 2006 10:40 AM > Subject: [S-Trains] Chrome re-finishing?? > > > I have a set of three chrome (not aluminum) AF passenger cars, the 660, > 661, and 662. These cars have all suffered major damage to the chrome > finish - maybe they sat in bright sunlight??? Much of each car is down > to the black plastic base plastic. > > Is there any way to refinsh these cars in a satisfactory way in the > home workshop? I have read about re-plating services, but they cost > $50 a piece and I doubt if these cars would be worth $50 each after re- > plating. > > I see various brands of "chrome" paint in the stores, but I'm hesitant > to try them on the cars. Of course, I don't have much to lose, they're > not worth much the way they are. > > Anyone out there had any luck with refinishing these? > > Jim E. > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com<http://www.americanflyertrains.com/> > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail<http://s-scale.org/albums/modelrail> > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39090	From: Jenni Sipla	Date: 2/25/2006
Subject: Re: Chrome re-finishing??

Jim i would not recommend painting your cars with crome paint you won't get the high shine you are looking for. What you could do is paint them to match another road name like SF blue and yellow or the B&O. Really no matter what you do the cars will still be worth fair money no more no less then their current condition anyway. if you paint them you can still use the replacement decals that are sold. If you do paint i recomend using paint that is used on lexan cars more expensive but easier to control and alot more colors. FYI some not all of the lexan paints are transparent so you may need to use a base coat. bret Jim Ensign <hugoroundhouseflyer@...> wrote: I have a set of three chrome (not aluminum) AF passenger cars, the 660, 661, and 662. These cars have all suffered major damage to the chrome finish - maybe they sat in bright sunlight??? Much of each car is down to the black plastic base plastic. Is there any way to refinsh these cars in a satisfactory way in the home workshop? I have read about re-plating services, but they cost $50 a piece and I doubt if these cars would be worth $50 each after re- plating. I see various brands of "chrome" paint in the stores, but I'm hesitant to try them on the cars. Of course, I don't have much to lose, they're not worth much the way they are. Anyone out there had any luck with refinishing these? Jim E. S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39091	From: Jenni Sipla	Date: 2/25/2006
Subject: Re: Chrome re-finishing??

Jim i would not recommend painting your cars with crome paint you won't get the high shine you are looking for. What you could do is paint them to match another road name like SF blue and yellow or the B&O. Really no matter what you do the cars will still be worth fair money no more no less then their current condition anyway. if you paint them you can still use the replacement decals that are sold. bret Jim Ensign <hugoroundhouseflyer@...> wrote: I have a set of three chrome (not aluminum) AF passenger cars, the 660, 661, and 662. These cars have all suffered major damage to the chrome finish - maybe they sat in bright sunlight??? Much of each car is down to the black plastic base plastic. Is there any way to refinsh these cars in a satisfactory way in the home workshop? I have read about re-plating services, but they cost $50 a piece and I doubt if these cars would be worth $50 each after re- plating. I see various brands of "chrome" paint in the stores, but I'm hesitant to try them on the cars. Of course, I don't have much to lose, they're not worth much the way they are. Anyone out there had any luck with refinishing these? Jim E. S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39092	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 2/25/2006
Subject: Re: Ebay WARNING...- Check this out

Phil, She found it an Internet site that's deep in the Smokey blue mountains.... I think e-bay has lost it and really get mad when people win a bid on a listing of mine and then don't comply with the payment method - like want to use checks when I don't accept them... Well e-bays attitude is tough luck and you can re-list but e-bay won't refund your insertion fee! Real fair isn't it... Scott Dee -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Phil K Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 10:50 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] WARNING... Re: 1955 Calander ----- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, keefer1 <keefer1_us@...> wrote: > > > And what exactly would "we all" say to ebay. She says > she has a full refund policy. you buy from her , pay > with paypal funded by a cc, if it's not what she > described (which it may be what she described , since > she makes no claim of it being authentic) you get an > easy refund after you send it back. Ebay will not > remove it , because she has the return policy, and she > does not make an guaranty it's authentic. Just my 2 > cents. Keith I agree, and I doubt there's much anyone can do. Keith is 100 percent right about her having what appears to be a solid refund policy, which sits well with eBay. She also uses PayPal, which also is owned by eBay. The seller is no dummy, either, wording her descriptions to avoid claiming that any of the items are authentic -- she leaves that decision up to the bidders she entices with her homey "found this deep in the Blue Ridge Mountains" schpiel. Apparently, eBay has no problem with this seller, who has some 4500 completed sales in four years. As it says on eBay's home page: Caveat emptor (Let the Buyer Beware). Phil K S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39093	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 2/25/2006
Subject: Re: Hot Rod Trains ??? - why not.....

Stump Man, Go for it.... I like the hot-rod train concept.... After all I think some of the stream liners efforts by Lowery studios and others were sort of a similar concept... maybe more art deco in style... but cool none the less... Did you like some of the "designer" steamers and diesels and passenger cars of the last century - or did you consider them sort of frivolous? I liked some but not all... Hot rod trains the new century..... mmmm... are any of the s-gauge manufactures listening? :>) Scott Dee -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Stumpy Stone Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 5:31 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re;3/16" or 1/64 autos-low riders & horse sense Okay Scott and y'all...I'm a car guy and I like souped up rides. HOWEVER, it's just too unrealistic that EVERY vehicle on the layout is some kind of specialty vehicle. I mean, look around...these are only a small part of what's on the road in the big world! I'm a fan of the "transition era" of railroading when steam was giving way to diesels. Being old enough to be around then, I don't remember even the few finished custom cars of the day looking anything like what comes in the blister packs at Wally World. I would rather buy "stock" vehicles and hot rod a few of them for the layout. I think I could do a more tasteful job than some of stuff made by Hot Wheels, Matchbox, etc. On the other hand, as twisted as my sense of humor can be a world of all hot rods and custom cars kind of appeals to me. To make this really work, I'd have to creat some customized trains to match! Electro-Motive F-7s painted glossy black with flames sounds right! Or maybe a Hudson with chrome plated pilot, running boards, and domes...and of course white wall driver tires! Then painted Candy Apple Red! Streamline passenger cars lowered to the point you can't see the wheels at all! Ah, yes! Stumpy Stone...going over the edge in Appalachia! S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39094	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 2/25/2006
Subject: Re: On the Right track - Am Flyer Track @ Lionel

About as likely as an American figure skater completing the long program without falling... But I guess someone has to cheer for the ice... I always do... after all it works hard too.... Most likely it not a mass volume enough or high profit item for Lionel to continue... also Lionel has never really promoted s-gauge operation and really only responds to MTH offering such things as accessories... Also Lionel seems to be de-emphasizing its own tubular track system in favor of the new system it introduced a few years ago... I am not really sure what will happen with Lionel with the court proceedings, current management and bankruptcy but looking at their catalogs seems to indicate that there is some reduction going on... Maybe this will promote the other s-gauge manufacturers track systems which are more modern.... Scott Dee -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of trainman634 Sent: Friday, February 24, 2006 11:39 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] American Flyer Track I am wondering what will happen to the American Flyer track that K-Line manufactured? If Lionel buys K-Line, I hope they will manufacture the A.F. track. They could add the track to the American Flyer sets they sell. What do the members of the group think? S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39095	From: Roy Inman	Date: 2/25/2006
Subject: Re: On the Right track - Am Flyer Track @ Lionel

Well, I think the nine pages of AF in the current catalog does indicate a certain commitment by Lionel to the S line. More than they have ever done before, true or false? But of course you will get no argument from me that they should have promoted it in a bigger, better way. It does seem rather puzzling that L has not produced S track to go with the engines and rolling stock they have offered. That omission does seem to indicate that they have not full commitment to the scale. Of course I know not how much it costs to tool up to produce track; might be cost-prohibitive. Then again, if they produced track of at least the quality of the old ACG, in several radiuses, maybe along with some updated turnouts, who knows how much they might sell? As far as reduction in catalog size, as I look at my Lionel catalogs over the last couple of years, there is a decrease of about 20 pages per year. Some people in the O gauge business tell me they think that the market has peaked. Boomers only have so much room in their basements to store the stuff. Mike Wolf of MTH says that 70% of his customers do NOT have layouts, but are collectors who vow to "build one hell of a layout someday." And a tour of any train show will tell anyone that the market for NIB freight cars has collapsed. I see Lionel, MTH, Atlas, et al, going for $20 or so, sometimes a third of the original selling price. The MTH Protosound I engines are a dredge on the market. Almost can't give the darn things away. Everybody wants Protosound II. My best guess is that MTH is the next to go, and that at length, we will be back with only Lionel, Weaver, Williams in O, and of course our stalworth S suppliers. So with no other larger manufacturer, such as MTH or K-Line to offer S stuff, Lionel may or may revert back to not producing an AF, or very little. > From: Scott Davidson <scottdee25@...> > Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 01:44:07 -0600 > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [S-Trains] On the Right track - Am Flyer Track @ Lionel > > About as likely as an American figure skater completing the long program > without falling... But I guess someone has to cheer for the ice... I > always do... after all it works hard too.... > > Most likely it not a mass volume enough or high profit item for Lionel > to continue... also Lionel has never really promoted s-gauge operation > and really only responds to MTH offering such things as accessories... > > Also Lionel seems to be de-emphasizing its own tubular track system in > favor of the new system it introduced a few years ago... > > I am not really sure what will happen with Lionel with the court > proceedings, current management and bankruptcy but looking at their > catalogs seems to indicate that there is some reduction going on... > > Maybe this will promote the other s-gauge manufacturers track systems > which are more modern.... > > Scott Dee

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39096	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 2/25/2006
Subject: Ebay buyers beware! Another one.

Here's another one, this lady has been selling these for a couple of months. The first one brought a good price, since then, coming down or no sales. Check out her other items. Maybe they make them up in the mountains? Harwood _eBay: AMERICAN FLYER Railroad RR Train Litho Poster old Print (item 6607731903 end time Feb-28-06 19:24:46 PST)_ (http://cgi.ebay.com/AMERICAN-FLYER-Railroad-RR-Train-Litho-Poster-old-Print_W0QQitemZ6607731903QQcategoryZ130QQrdZ1QQ cmdZViewItem) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39097	From: clayton deich	Date: 2/25/2006
Subject: Re: Chrome re-finishing??

There is some one out there that is recroming trains now. I just can't think who it is at this time. They take your in and clean it/ get it ready then crome it. The price was not that bad. The car will jump in value too. Clayton S. D. --- Jenni Sipla <jadenralph@...> wrote: > Jim > i would not recommend painting your cars with > crome paint you won't get the high shine you are > looking for. What you could do is paint them to > match another road name like SF blue and yellow or > the B&O. Really no matter what you do the cars will > still be worth fair money no more no less then their > current condition anyway. if you paint them you can > still use the replacement decals that are sold. > > bret > > Jim Ensign <hugoroundhouseflyer@...> wrote: > I have a set of three chrome (not aluminum) AF > passenger cars, the 660, > 661, and 662. These cars have all suffered major > damage to the chrome > finish - maybe they sat in bright sunlight??? Much > of each car is down > to the black plastic base plastic. > > Is there any way to refinsh these cars in a > satisfactory way in the > home workshop? I have read about re-plating > services, but they cost > $50 a piece and I doubt if these cars would be worth > $50 each after re- > plating. > > I see various brands of "chrome" paint in the > stores, but I'm hesitant > to try them on the cars. Of course, I don't have > much to lose, they're > not worth much the way they are. > > Anyone out there had any luck with refinishing > these? > > Jim E. > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Mail > Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a > breeze. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39098	From: trainman634	Date: 2/25/2006
Subject: Gondola Loads

What kind of loads do you put in your American Flyer gondolas?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39099	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 2/25/2006
Subject: Re: Chrome re-finishing??

Doug Peck does (used to do?) rechroming. Dick Aurora, OH -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of clayton deich Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 12:31 PM To: Jenni Sipla; Jim Ensign; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Chrome re-finishing?? There is some one out there that is recroming trains now. I just can't think who it is at this time. They take your in and clean it/ get it ready then crome it. The price was not that bad. The car will jump in value too. Clayton S. D. --- Jenni Sipla <jadenralph@...> wrote: > Jim > i would not recommend painting your cars with > crome paint you won't get the high shine you are > looking for. What you could do is paint them to > match another road name like SF blue and yellow or > the B&O. Really no matter what you do the cars will > still be worth fair money no more no less then their > current condition anyway. if you paint them you can > still use the replacement decals that are sold. > > bret > > Jim Ensign <hugoroundhouseflyer@...> wrote: > I have a set of three chrome (not aluminum) AF > passenger cars, the 660, > 661, and 662. These cars have all suffered major > damage to the chrome > finish - maybe they sat in bright sunlight??? Much > of each car is down > to the black plastic base plastic. > > Is there any way to refinsh these cars in a > satisfactory way in the > home workshop? I have read about re-plating > services, but they cost > $50 a piece and I doubt if these cars would be worth > $50 each after re- > plating. > > I see various brands of "chrome" paint in the > stores, but I'm hesitant > to try them on the cars. Of course, I don't have > much to lose, they're > not worth much the way they are. > > Anyone out there had any luck with refinishing > these? > > Jim E. > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Mail > Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a > breeze. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39100	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/25/2006
Subject: Gondola Loads

***(((What kind of loads do you put in your American Flyer gondolas?)))*** At Easter, mine are loaded with candy!! http://s-scale.org/albums/v/friends/bassflyer/bassflyer_002/bassflyer_002/2003_0422_085721AA.JPG.html Rick. S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39101	From: Robert Graves	Date: 2/25/2006
Subject: Re: Gondola Loads

As a kid, I had nothing in mine. Lately I've gotten the ones that came with canisters, and I just got one from ebay that had lumber like the 928 "flatcar with lumber load." After reading Dick Kuepper's message Re: Midwest Narrow Gauge Show, I looked at all the linked layouts. One had a load of rocks that looked pretty good, so I'm going to put rocks in at least one of mine. trainman634 <wes4260@...> wrote: What kind of loads do you put in your American Flyer gondolas? S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39102	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 2/25/2006
Subject: Re: Gondola Loads

In a message dated 02/25/2006 11:23:02 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, wes4260@... writes: What kind of loads do you put in your American Flyer gondolas? Track cleaning motors and canisters. Steve [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39103	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 2/25/2006
Subject: Re: Chrome re-finishing??

I think I read, many years ago, of a two-step process for chrome-plating something. The first step was to spray-paint it with an electrically conductive base-coat. The second step involved electrolysis. Tom Hawley

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39104	From: rkuepper	Date: 2/25/2006
Subject: Re: Gondola Loads

At Christmas, mine are filled with miniature presents and snowmen. http://s-scale.org/albums/v/friends/Kuepper/031214_Christmas_train_004.jpg.h tml Dick Aurora, OH -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of trainman634 Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 1:21 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Gondola Loads What kind of loads do you put in your American Flyer gondolas? S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39105	From: rkuepper	Date: 2/25/2006
Subject: Re: Gondola Loads

PFFFT! Blatant commercial!! LOL ;<) Dick -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of boss31@... Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 1:44 PM To: wes4260@...; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Gondola Loads In a message dated 02/25/2006 11:23:02 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, wes4260@... writes: What kind of loads do you put in your American Flyer gondolas? Track cleaning motors and canisters. Steve [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39106	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 2/25/2006
Subject: Re: Ebay WARNING...- Check this out - not a non-payer status

Maybe I mis-understood but the e-bay rules say that if the buyer challenges a non-payer - e-bay says that its not a non-payer just a payment method type of problem and you don't get a full listing refund.... most buyers will challenge since a non-payment mark is a bad thing on the record... e-bay them sends them a notice saying please comply with seller's payment techniques... E-bays attitude is that the item sold and too bad if you don't accept the payment type... E-bay wants its money.... E-bay says you can block the buyer out from future listing bidding in the future... This was the resolution they gave me.... Refunded listing but not insertion fee... Great service and really fair... Scott Dee -----Original Message----- From: keefer1 [mailto:keefer1_us@...] Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 12:32 PM To: Scott Davidson Subject: RE: [S-Trains]Ebay WARNING...- Check this out i have got my listing fees back , if the buyer refuses to comply with conditions in the auction. I don't accept checks, if they refuse to use a payment method i accept , I file a non payer notice, and two weeks later get my end of auction fees back. you can then relist the item for free. --- Scott Davidson <scottdee25@...> wrote: > Phil, > > She found it an Internet site that's deep in the > Smokey blue > mountains.... > > I think e-bay has lost it and really get mad when > people win a bid on a > listing of mine and then don't comply with the > payment method - like > want to use checks when I don't accept them... > > Well e-bays attitude is tough luck and you can > re-list but e-bay won't > refund your insertion fee! > > Real fair isn't it... > > Scott Dee > > -----Original Message----- > From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Phil K > Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 10:50 AM > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] WARNING... Re: 1955 Calander > > ----- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, keefer1 > <keefer1_us@...> wrote: > > > > > > And what exactly would "we all" say to ebay. She > says > > she has a full refund policy. you buy from her , > pay > > with paypal funded by a cc, if it's not what she > > described (which it may be what she described , > since > > she makes no claim of it being authentic) you get > an > > easy refund after you send it back. Ebay will not > > remove it , because she has the return policy, and > she > > does not make an guaranty it's authentic. Just my > 2 > > cents. Keith > > > I agree, and I doubt there's much anyone can do. > Keith is 100 > percent right about her having what appears to be a > solid refund > policy, which sits well with eBay. She also uses > PayPal, which also > is owned by eBay. The seller is no dummy, either, > wording her > descriptions to avoid claiming that any of the items > are authentic -- > she leaves that decision up to the bidders she > entices with her > homey "found this deep in the Blue Ridge Mountains" > schpiel. > Apparently, eBay has no problem with this seller, > who has some 4500 > completed sales in four years. > > As it says on eBay's home page: Caveat emptor (Let > the Buyer Beware). > > Phil K > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39107	From: David Engle	Date: 2/25/2006
Subject: Re: Chrome re-finishing??

Is that ALCLAD II??

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39108	From: Alex Sibbald	Date: 2/25/2006
Subject: On the Right track-Am flyer track @ Lionel

Hi Roy, I read your message and was saddened at the thought of 70% of our group collecting perfectly good A.F. trains and building walls of brick boxes in their basements. Their kids are probably not interested in them as they never got a chance to experience them running on a layout. As collectibles, the market for our beloved trains is diminishing as we speak. How many times do you read ebay descriptions that say "I am selling these trains for my Dad who collected them for 50 years." Dad is already too old, too sick or has already passed away having been just a train caretaker all his life. The kid who is selling them only wants the money, not the trains. As an investment, you would be better off with coins. At least they don't have to run to have value, they are much easily stored in a smaller place, they have universal appeal and are at least worth face value. As the baby boomers diminish in numbers the value of our trains will diminish as well. There is an incredible number of American Flyer Trains that still exist because they were expensive at their time and few people threw them away. The last baby boomer living will have the world's largest collection and then the value will be zip. But all is not lost, we have empty rooms as our kids move out and brand new grandkids who are fascinated by trains. We are not all artists and don't all have the ability to make our landscapes appear like the ones in Model Railroader. Kids just love to watch trains. I lost my grandsons' attention because they were already too old to care and had every game known to man by the time my parents sent me my old trains. On the other hand, my 2 year old granddaughter is fascinated with choo choo trains, has her own Thomas train set which she plays with every day and spends hours watching mine. My message is this, tear down those brick walls, setup your trains and stop waiting for the day when your grand layout will magically appear because by that time your eyes won't be able to see it. A.C. Gilbert produced these great toys to be played with. He didn't produce a limited number of each with collector numbers on the bottom. And by the way, the grandkids will love to visit grandpa and grandma. Alex

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39109	From: rkuepper	Date: 2/25/2006
Subject: Re: Gondola Loads

Oops! http://s-scale.org/albums/v/friends/Kuepper/031214_Christmas_train_004.jpg.h tml -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of rkuepper Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 2:27 PM To: 'trainman634'; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Gondola Loads At Christmas, mine are filled with miniature presents and snowmen. http://s-scale.org/albums/v/friends/Kuepper/031214_Christmas_train_004.jpg.h tml Dick Aurora, OH -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of trainman634 Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 1:21 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Gondola Loads What kind of loads do you put in your American Flyer gondolas? S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39110	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 2/25/2006
Subject: Re: Chrome re-finishing??

That is the way they do it but plastic still does hot hold it very well. When I was attempting to do the Budd cars in S Scale I looked into doing this but the people that did chrome plating said the plastic had to be a special plastic and it did not last long, Thank you Larry Jackman ljack70117@... On Feb 25, 2006, at 2:09 PM, Tom Hawley wrote: > I think I read, many years ago, of a two-step process for chrome- > plating > something. The first step was to spray-paint it with an electrically > conductive base-coat. The second step involved electrolysis. > Tom Hawley > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39111	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 2/25/2006
Subject: Re: On the Right track - The next to Go?

Roy, Good points you make... I guess we should be thankful for the 9 pages.... I also sense a general over production in the 2000s that may indicate a leveling off or shrinking market... as we all know the demographics plays a part in all this too... The WW2er's are passing on... I hope I will see some of the Flyonel cars come down to $20.00 or so... I think MTH is privately owned so I' not sure of what financial shape they are in.... I think Mike did get a little carried away and go into everything, but he stimulated the market and definitely provided tenacious competition to Lionel... Does anybody know or has anybody heard how MTH is doing financially? They did win the law suit against Lionel, but I think it's in appeal stage where monetary rewards usually get reduced... I do know in a CTT article in the late 90's that interviewed Mike Wolf he stated he was considering s-gauge product production... the roaring 90s probably ended and that made him think differently about S... Scott Dee -----Original Message----- From: Roy Inman [mailto:rinphoto@...] Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 12:01 PM To: Scott Davidson; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] On the Right track - Am Flyer Track @ Lionel Well, I think the nine pages of AF in the current catalog does indicate a certain commitment by Lionel to the S line. More than they have ever done before, true or false? But of course you will get no argument from me that they should have promoted it in a bigger, better way. It does seem rather puzzling that L has not produced S track to go with the engines and rolling stock they have offered. That omission does seem to indicate that they have not full commitment to the scale. Of course I know not how much it costs to tool up to produce track; might be cost-prohibitive. Then again, if they produced track of at least the quality of the old ACG, in several radiuses, maybe along with some updated turnouts, who knows how much they might sell? As far as reduction in catalog size, as I look at my Lionel catalogs over the last couple of years, there is a decrease of about 20 pages per year. Some people in the O gauge business tell me they think that the market has peaked. Boomers only have so much room in their basements to store the stuff. Mike Wolf of MTH says that 70% of his customers do NOT have layouts, but are collectors who vow to "build one hell of a layout someday." And a tour of any train show will tell anyone that the market for NIB freight cars has collapsed. I see Lionel, MTH, Atlas, et al, going for $20 or so, sometimes a third of the original selling price. The MTH Protosound I engines are a dredge on the market. Almost can't give the darn things away. Everybody wants Protosound II. My best guess is that MTH is the next to go, and that at length, we will be back with only Lionel, Weaver, Williams in O, and of course our stalworth S suppliers. So with no other larger manufacturer, such as MTH or K-Line to offer S stuff, Lionel may or may revert back to not producing an AF, or very little.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39112	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 2/25/2006
Subject: Re: Chrome re-finishing/plastic - Portlines does it...

Portlines Hobbies offers chrome refinishing services over plastic... Check out the Internet site for Portlines (Doug Peck) There have been many improvements of this technology over the years - btter mixing with adhesives ... etc... Its done all the time in the auto industry for chrome over plastic grilles and light bezels... etc There is some one out there that is recroming trains now. I just can't think who it is at this time. They take your in and clean it/ get it ready then crome it. The price was not that bad. The car will jump in value too. Clayton S. D. --- Jenni Sipla <jadenralph@...> wrote: > Jim > i would not recommend painting your cars with > crome paint you won't get the high shine you are > looking for. What you could do is paint them to > match another road name like SF blue and yellow or > the B&O. Really no matter what you do the cars will > still be worth fair money no more no less then their > current condition anyway. if you paint them you can > still use the replacement decals that are sold. > > bret > > Jim Ensign <hugoroundhouseflyer@...> wrote: > I have a set of three chrome (not aluminum) AF > passenger cars, the 660, > 661, and 662. These cars have all suffered major > damage to the chrome > finish - maybe they sat in bright sunlight??? Much > of each car is down > to the black plastic base plastic. > > Is there any way to refinsh these cars in a > satisfactory way in the > home workshop? I have read about re-plating > services, but they cost > $50 a piece and I doubt if these cars would be worth > $50 each after re- > plating. > > I see various brands of "chrome" paint in the > stores, but I'm hesitant > to try them on the cars. Of course, I don't have > much to lose, they're > not worth much the way they are. > > Anyone out there had any luck with refinishing > these? > > Jim E. > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Mail > Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a > breeze. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39113	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/25/2006
Subject: Fw: [S-Trains] Gondola Loads

I fixed Dick's link. It was broke in MY email. http://s-scale.org/albums/v/friends/Kuepper/031214_Christmas_train_004.jpg.html Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39114	From: BENJAMIN PERRY	Date: 2/25/2006
Subject: Re: Gondola Loads

Erector set girders & parts. Ben Perry The hobo Lets his Whiskers sprout It's trains-not girls That he takes out BURMA-SHAVE -----Original Message----- From: Rick Evans Sent: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 10:38:38 -0800 To: S-Trains Subject: [S-Trains] Gondola Loads ***(((What kind of loads do you put in your American Flyer gondolas?)))*** At Easter, mine are loaded with candy!! http://s-scale.org/albums/v/friends/bassflyer/bassflyer_002/bassflyer_002/2003_0422_085721AA.JPG.html Rick. S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39115	From: TWYLA STARR	Date: 2/25/2006
Subject: Magazine collection

Greetings, I have a friend whose home was flooded by Hurricane Katrina! He does not have computer access so I am trying to assist him in this matter! He lost a complete set of Classic Toy Trains magazine from the first issue through May of 2005! Would anyone know how to figure a dollar amount on this loss? This is not an attempt to scam an insurance company as I have personally seen these magazines and used them for some reference from some copies that I did not have! If anyone has an answer as where to find a value for these magazines, or has an idea about what they might have been worth, We would greatly appreciate any help. My friend Albert Hery of Chalmette, La was fortunate enough that his A.F. Trains were in the attic and were not damaged! Thanks in advance for any help or suggestions anyone might have! Thanks again, Sincerely, J.R. Starr [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39116	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/25/2006
Subject: Re: Magazine collection

You might check eBay to see what they are selling for. I THINK,...that I have paid around a buck each at train shows. Rick. He lost a complete set of Classic Toy Trains magazine from the first issue through May of 2005! Would anyone know how to figure a dollar amount on this loss? This is not an attempt to scam an insurance company as I have personally seen these magazines and used them for some reference from some copies that I did not have! S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39117	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/25/2006
Subject: Gon loads

At one time, I had one gondola filled with parts, junk, rubber tires from my HO racing cars. Even had a airplane propeller (musta been headed to R. Conner's house!) Quite the "junk" load. Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39118	From: Phil K	Date: 2/25/2006
Subject: Chrome finish on plastic

Interesting discussion. I have one of Tom Hodgson's Pioneer Zephyrs that has a "chrome" finish. It is not so clear it reflects your face, but it is more than acceptable and looks much like the chrome (stainless steel) on the prototype, which is 30 miles from me in the basement of the Museum of Science and Industry. In fact, I've never seen chrome on a prototype that refects a clear image -- the sides of streamlined Budd cars were fluted for strength. Anyway, Hodgson's American Hi Rail now is offering RDCs with the same quasi-chrome finish. A very private and secretive person, Tom won't divulge how he applies this special process -- although someone once told me it allegedly involves several coats, powder and rubbing. On a 354, I'd say it would register somewhere between the original chrome and the eventual satin silver. Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39119	From: jjmemmer@aol.com	Date: 2/25/2006
Subject: "Chrome"finish

I've used "chrome" paint and then sprayed it with clear gloss.It comes out looking a lot like stainless.Best to experiment on scrap material.There's also a product called Rub n Buff or something similar,comes in several metallic finishes. Jerry [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39120	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 2/25/2006
Subject: Re: Gondola Loads

Hey Dick....... I just saw a Gondola with a load of SWITCHES go by today...... rails, ties, frog and all..... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "rkuepper" <rkuepper@...> To: <boss31@...>; <wes4260@...>; <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 2:28 PM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Gondola Loads > PFFFT! Blatant commercial!! LOL ;<) > > Dick > > -----Original Message----- > From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf > Of boss31@... > Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 1:44 PM > To: wes4260@...; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Gondola Loads > > > > > In a message dated 02/25/2006 11:23:02 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, > wes4260@... writes: > > What kind of loads do you put in your American Flyer gondolas? > > > > Track cleaning motors and canisters. > > Steve > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39121	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 2/25/2006
Subject: S-Trains/S-Scale Links

There is now a place that you can add your link. It is http://s-scale.org/links/ There are several types (categories) of link you can add. Example: If you wanted to add a link to your S-Scale track supplier site, Click on 'Model Supplies' then 'Track' Then 'Submit a link' It will add your link to the system, and email me a notification. ---- If I forgot any categories, please let me know asap. Enjoy, Paul Http://S-Scale.org [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39122	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 2/25/2006
Subject: Celebrities and Electric Trains

Would be interesting to see how many celebrities have an interest in our beloved hobby, I am sure there are more than we know of, like Frank Sinatra etc. If you know of any let us hear of it! Jerry Matsick

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39123	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 2/25/2006
Subject: Re: SAD DAY

It is a sad day today, first - hold on, don't fall out of your chair but Bob Conner my fellow Jaxonian, attended the Jacksonville Train show today and upon my leaving several hours later, BOB DIDN'T PURCHASE ANYTHING. "AMAZING" On a sad note: Barney Fife (Don Knotts) passed away, someone who made most of us oldies laugh most of our lives. Two GREAT men Bob C and Barney! Jerry Matsick

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39124	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/25/2006
Subject: Re: Celebrities and Electric Trains

I believe it was Charlie Chaplin that had AF. Please don't quote me, I'll try to find the article. Mandy Pantikin ran some Lionel on a TV show he played in. Actor Michael Gross is into HO. Rick. ***(((Would be interesting to see how many celebrities have an interest in our beloved hobby, I am sure there are more than we know of, like Frank Sinatra etc. If you know of any let us hear of it!)))*** S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39125	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/25/2006
Subject: Re: Celebrities and Electric Trains

Before Barb scolds me......."Patinkin", is the CORRECT spelling I believe. :^) Rick. . Mandy Pantikin ran some Lionel on a TV show he played in. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39126	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/25/2006
Subject: Celeb layouts

Seems to me that CTT did a story on Patinkin's layout. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39127	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 2/25/2006
Subject: Sunday Chat, 2/26/2006, 8:00 pm

Reminder from the Calendar of S-Trains Sunday Chat Sunday February 26, 2006 8:00 pm - 8:00 pm This event repeats every week. The next reminder for this event will be sent in 23 hours, 4 minutes. Event Location: http://s-scale.org/forum/ Street: http://s-scale.org/forum/ Notes: http://s-scale.org/forum/ ADVERTISEMENT Copyright ©  2006  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved. Privacy Policy - Terms of Service

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39128	From: albert paolozzi	Date: 2/25/2006
Subject: Re: Gondola Loads

For gon loads, I save wine bottle corks. They make great loads: light weight, will not damage the gon and they could be bales of some sort of imaginary material being transported. The wine is Great too!! Al Paolozzi --- BENJAMIN PERRY <BENPERRY1@...> wrote: > Erector set girders & parts. > Ben Perry > > The hobo > Lets his > Whiskers sprout > It's trains-not girls > That he takes out > BURMA-SHAVE > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rick Evans > Sent: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 10:38:38 -0800 > To: S-Trains > Subject: [S-Trains] Gondola Loads > > > > > ***(((What kind of loads do you put in your American > Flyer gondolas?)))*** > > At Easter, mine are loaded with candy!! > http://s-scale.org/albums/v/friends/bassflyer/bassflyer_002/bassflyer_002/2003_0422_085721AA.JPG.html > > Rick. > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39129	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 2/25/2006
Subject: Re: Magazine collection

I doubt an insurance Co would pay any thing unless he had them listed special. Thank you Larry Jackman ljack70117@... On Feb 25, 2006, at 3:40 PM, TWYLA STARR wrote: > Greetings, I have a friend whose home was flooded by Hurricane > Katrina! He does not have computer access so I am trying to assist > him in this matter! He lost a complete set of Classic Toy Trains > magazine from the first issue through May of 2005! Would anyone > know how to figure a dollar amount on this loss? This is not an > attempt to scam an insurance company as I have personally seen > these magazines and used them for some reference from some copies > that I did not have! If anyone has an answer as where to find a > value for these magazines, or has an idea about what they might > have been worth, We would greatly appreciate any help. My friend > Albert > Hery of Chalmette, La was fortunate enough that his A.F. Trains > were in the attic and were not damaged! Thanks in advance for any > help or suggestions anyone might have! Thanks again, Sincerely, > J.R. Starr > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39130	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/25/2006
Subject: uh-oh what's this-mayhem at Mike's

**(((Yes, if I overloaded the list with many emails the past few weeks, that is because this is the first true AF layout I have ever had, as I am 50. It has been real exciting to me, as I tried to add a bit of humor to them, as I did upset a few, as I got a few "hate" emails. Sorry, just my excitement of what I have been missing for many years)))*** Mike, I myself, am excited for you and your enthusiasm!! It's been a breath of fresh air, to me anyway. There are times, in MY opinion, the list seems dead. And I get tired of the "Who's buying out who".....etc. I've said it before, and I'll say it a thousand times again,.... there are PLENTY of posts/topics on this list that don't interest me in the slightest. I have a great key on my keyboard, others MUST have it too......... ......the DELETE key! Others should try it. Rick (suiting up in case of a flaming) S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39131	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 2/25/2006
Subject: Re: Celebrities and Electric Trains

Walt Disney had Flyer & Other stuff( An understatement) ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39132	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 2/25/2006
Subject: Re: Vacuum Tubes for 324AC Whistle Controller

Just checked two sites on line. _WWW.VACUUMTUBES.NET_ (http://www.VACUUMTUBES.NET) _WWW.VACUUMTUBES.BIZ_ (http://www.VACUUMTUBES.BIZ) Both have the 117P7 at $4.00 each [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39133	From: David Engle	Date: 2/25/2006
Subject: Re: Celebrities and Electric Trains

Gary Coleman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39134	From: Phil K	Date: 2/25/2006
Subject: Celebrities with model trains

You want a list? Here ya go... http://www.boldts.net/TrainsCelebs.shtml Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39135	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/25/2006
Subject: Re: Celebrities with model trains

**** (((( http://www.boldts.net/TrainsCelebs.shtml ))) **** Good find Phil! I tried "celebrities toy trains"......I didn't didn't think to use "model trains" in my search! Rick. S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39136	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/25/2006
Subject: Re: Celebrities with model trains

http://www.boldts.net/TrainsCelebs.shtml I love the notes on Gomez Addams (The Addams Family) ....." Enjoys blowing up Lionel trains" Yeah, don't we all?!? Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39137	From: manderman	Date: 2/25/2006
Subject: Re: Gondola Loads

I second this vote... Lots of candy... the kids love it. Gold wraped small Hershey bars look great. Peanuts and pistachios are great too. Pretzle rods, Twizzlers, and pepermint sticks make great log loads and mini M&Ms make a great load in the 716 side dump hoppers. I have a spot where kids dump the 716 and the M&Ms go down a chute and come out in a little dispenser dish in front of the layout. Mark Anderman ***(((What kind of loads do you put in your American Flyer gondolas?)))*** At Easter, mine are loaded with candy!! http://s-scale.org/albums/v/friends/bassflyer/bassflyer_002/bassflyer_002/2003_0422_085721AA.JPG.html Rick. S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39138	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 2/25/2006
Subject: Re: Celebrities and Electric Trains

Tom Snyder is a 3 railer Steve [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39139	From: Robert Graves	Date: 2/25/2006
Subject: The Caboose page of The Gilbert Gallery is done

Thanks to all who helped! There are are a lot of Gilbert cabooses! --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39140	From: jayhoo64	Date: 2/25/2006
Subject: Re: Gondola Loads

For 2005 my wife tried something for a Christmas gon load she'd seen in an old Toy Trains magazine. She stuffed some shredded paper packing (dyed red) into a green AF gon and set small Christmas ornament bulbs on top. Four bulbs made a "full" load. Later she did the same with her SHS ore car, which carries only one bulb. Still, my favorite load is M+Ms. Chuck F.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39141	From: Velapoldi	Date: 2/26/2006
Subject: Re: Celebrities and Electric Trains

Think it was Buster Keaton, or one other of the comedy fellows (don't think it was Chaplin, but not sure). Remember a picture of a drink being served at the swimming pool from the house. Rance Velapoldi we had a similar walk down memory lane about 2-3 (4-5?) years ago on the list. Time sure does fly. Rick Evans wrote: >I believe it was Charlie Chaplin that had AF. >Please don't quote me, I'll try to find the article. >Mandy Pantikin ran some Lionel on a TV show >he played in. >Actor Michael Gross is into HO. > >Rick. > > > > ***(((Would be interesting to see how many celebrities have an interest in > our beloved hobby, I am sure there are more than we know of, like > Frank Sinatra etc. If you know of any let us hear of it!)))*** > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >Enjoy thousands of great photos >at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39142	From: Don Thompson	Date: 2/26/2006
Subject: Re: Celebrities and Electric Trains

He came over to out booth at the Long Beach NMRA National Train Show a few years back. He models in HO. Don David Engle wrote: >Gary Coleman > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39143	From: David Engle	Date: 2/26/2006
Subject: Re: Celebrities with model trains

Brings back memories of the ultimate destruction -- Anyone see a flick called "John Goldfarb Please Come Home?" The idiot prince runs over gold-plated mini trains with his tricycle-yes, we're talking at least 30 years ago.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39144	From: mlmarmer	Date: 2/26/2006
Subject: My Little Town Continues On!

Last week, I got my MTH Gabe The Lamplighter, in the Lime Green base and top. I wasn't sure how the lime green would look, but it looks great! The Gabe goes up the ladder fine, light comes on, with the twist of a button and he comes down fine. The only minor issue, was that he gets stuck somehow, at the base, when he drops down, with force, and does not want to go up, till you give him a push. I put a piece of paper at the base and that solved the problem. I am wondering maybe the newness, is causing something to stick. But anyway, I can take a piece of the asphalt roadway to make a path to the light, to solve the problem. The light will be located at the corner of Baker and Washington Street on the layout. Since I was told to write once a day, by someone, I will include in this email, what my wife ask me about the Track Gang I ordered, as we sat and talked to calm her down at 5:30 in the morning after her blood clot shot. She wanted to know if the track gang would have digital sounds of jack hammers and talking by the workers. I said, no, but that would have been a wonderful idea. Oh, she wanted to know when the first Nationals game is, that we are going too, also. O:)! Yes, there are more important things in life to worry about than a silly email. Mike Marmer

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39145	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 2/26/2006
Subject: Re: Celebrities and Electric Trains

The present Lt. Governor of Maryland, Michael Steele, is into model trains. He had American Flyer as a child. He paid a visit to Catoctin Mountain Trains in Thurmont Maryland about four weeks ago. Had his picture taken running trains on Paul Johnson's layout in the store, which does include S ga. The Governor had a 8x16 layout set up in the Governor's mansion this past Christmas, but sad to say it was O ga. Harwood [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39146	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 2/26/2006
Subject: Links Update

Thanks to those pioneers that have added their links to the link page. By the way this is the link page associated with S-Trains.com Two things. 1) Please include the http:// part of your URL, or it will not work. 2) If you have a business website or a favorite business that you want others to know about, I encourage you to submit that site. Again the page to see the links is http://s-scale.org/links/ Contact me if I left out your favorite S related category. Thanks, Paul Yorke [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39147	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 2/26/2006
Subject: Re: Celebrities and Electric Trains

Time sure flys when you are having fun. Frogs say " Time sure is fun when you are having flys. Thank you Larry Jackman ljack70117@... On Feb 26, 2006, at 4:35 AM, Velapoldi wrote: > Think it was Buster Keaton, or one other of the comedy fellows (don't > think it was Chaplin, but not sure). > Remember a picture of a drink being served at the swimming pool > from the > house. > Rance Velapoldi > we had a similar walk down memory lane about 2-3 (4-5?) years ago > on the > list. Time sure does fly. > > Rick Evans wrote: > >> I believe it was Charlie Chaplin that had AF. >> Please don't quote me, I'll try to find the article. >> Mandy Pantikin ran some Lionel on a TV show >> he played in. >> Actor Michael Gross is into HO. >> >> Rick. >> >> >> >> ***(((Would be interesting to see how many celebrities have an >> interest in >> our beloved hobby, I am sure there are more than we know of, like >> Frank Sinatra etc. If you know of any let us hear of it!)))*** >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com >> All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! >> >> Enjoy thousands of great photos >> at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail >> Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> >> >> >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> >> >> >> >> S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com >> All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! >> >> Enjoy thousands of great photos >> at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail >> Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39148	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/26/2006
Subject: Re: Celebrities and Electric Trains

***(((Think it was Buster Keaton, or one other of the comedy fellows (don't think it was Chaplin, but not sure). Remember a picture of a drink being served at the swimming pool from the house)))**** BUSTER KEATON!! Yep, that's who it was. I think! I'll try to find the issue of CTT. Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39149	From: N Becker	Date: 2/26/2006
Subject: Re: Gondola Loads

Check out what gons are offered for the 2006 NASG Convention cars: http://www.smsgtrains.org/forms/Convention%20Car%20Flier%20V4%202-17-06.pdf [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39150	From: Gerald Dobbs	Date: 2/26/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2969

Subject: Re: Celebrities and Electric Trains. I believe TCA, run an article about Lionel & Jackie Gleason, Roy Rogers mentioned to me that he had a train layout for his boys. I believe Tommy Dorsey, was a collector who started Frank Sinatra. Did any one mention Tom Snyder, and his Lionel? Jerry 77-11644

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39151	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/26/2006
Subject: Tom Snyder

**(( Did any one mention Tom Snyder, and his Lionel?))*** Yep, Mr. Blackburn did. Tom, Pantinkin, and I thought a third person, all have videos/DVD's about their layouts. I can't find the link now! Oh, maybe it's Sinatra. Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39152	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 2/26/2006
Subject: Photo Gallery Tutorial

This is by no means a complete tutorial, but should be enough to get you started. Please let me know if I missed some good points. Also feel free to create your own help sections. I can move them to the tutorial section for the good of all users. Here is the link... http://s-scale.org/albums/v/tutorial/ Paul Yorke [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39153	From: northern83113	Date: 2/26/2006
Subject: 768 oil supply depot

hi all:just bought a oil depot to restore and need alittle help please.is there any way to get piictures of this besides what is in the boof i have.it shows it but not clear on where these pipes go to.any help is appreciated.thanks jim

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39154	From: Henry Buehling	Date: 2/26/2006
Subject: Re: Celebrities and Electric Trains

Ward Kimball, animator for Disney had a fabulous layout - a little of everything ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Engle" <RIRocket@...> To: "'Rick Evans'" <bassflyer@...>; <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; "'Jerry Matsick'" <jpmatsick@...> Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 7:50 PM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Celebrities and Electric Trains > Gary Coleman > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39155	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 2/26/2006
Subject: Re: Celebrities and Electric Trains

You got it! I couldn't remember ehis name. There were also articles on Sinatra's "train station" and his layout, and on the layout Mandy Potinkin (sp?) had built for him - that one may have been in OGRR. Dick Aurora, OH -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rick Evans Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2006 1:10 PM To: S-Trains Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Celebrities and Electric Trains ***(((Think it was Buster Keaton, or one other of the comedy fellows (don't think it was Chaplin, but not sure). Remember a picture of a drink being served at the swimming pool from the house)))**** BUSTER KEATON!! Yep, that's who it was. I think! I'll try to find the issue of CTT. Rick.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39156	From: WEG138@aol.com	Date: 2/26/2006
Subject: Celebrities and Electric Trains

Didn't some of our President's have Christmas layouts in the Whitehouse ? Bill Greaves [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39157	From: clayton deich	Date: 2/26/2006
Subject: Re: Celebrities and Electric Trains

Wow you are right Class- toy train did I large spred on his! I would go to see that! I think I still have that copy. Clayton S. D. --- Henry Buehling <diningcar@...> wrote: > Ward Kimball, animator for Disney had a fabulous > layout - a little of > everything > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Engle" <RIRocket@...> > To: "'Rick Evans'" <bassflyer@...>; > <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; > "'Jerry Matsick'" <jpmatsick@...> > Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 7:50 PM > Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Celebrities and Electric > Trains > > > > Gary Coleman > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39158	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 2/26/2006
Subject: MODEL AIRPLANES - OFF TOPIC

SOME OF YOU GUYS AND GALS PROBELY MESS WITH MODEL AIRPLANES ALSO...... THIS FRIDAY AND SAT THE YORK OF MODEL AIRPLANE SHOWS IS AT PERRY, GA...... FRIDAY 5 TO 9 AND SAT 8 TO 4......... ABOUT 3 BUILDINGS AT THE FARIGROUNDS THERE...... PERRY IS ABOUT 45 MINUTES SOUTH OF MACON, GA....... NEED MORE INFO..... CONTACT ME..... BOB

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39159	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 2/26/2006
Subject: Sunday Chat, 2/26/2006, 8:00 pm

Reminder from the Calendar of S-Trains Sunday Chat Sunday February 26, 2006 8:00 pm - 8:00 pm This event repeats every week. Event Location: http://s-scale.org/forum/ Street: http://s-scale.org/forum/ Notes: http://s-scale.org/forum/ ADVERTISEMENT Copyright ©  2006  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved. Privacy Policy - Terms of Service

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39160	From: Larry Moore	Date: 2/26/2006
Subject: Sam The Semaphore

To all, Again I will call on the expertise of this group to answer a perplexing question. What is the correct procedure of installing a new door spring, to obtain the proper tension and hold the door up to open in the slot? I consider myself above average in mechanical aptitude, but this one has me puzzled. It is probably fairly simple, but I have not been able to get the right combination. Thanks for the help, Larry [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39161	From: John Foley	Date: 2/26/2006
Subject: New S Links

Hi Folks Here are a couple of new S links you may not know of. Custom Trax Now has S track on their website. http://www.custmtrax.com/ Granville Buildings http://stores.ebay.com/GRANVILLEBUILDINGS_S-SCALE-ACCESSORIES_W0QQcolZ4QQdirZ1QQfsubZ6QQftidZ2QQtZkm John Foley NASG Promotions [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39162	From: srgriggs	Date: 2/26/2006
Subject: Maintenance Question: Dead Mans Control Transformers

Was hoping someone could tell me what they have used to replace the factory lubricant on the turret control knobs on "dead mans control" transformers. I'm cleaning up a few of these and in the process remove the grease-like material that was lubricating the moving parts of the control turret. The K-Line factory service manual doesn't seem to say (if it does, I missed it). It looks like automotive grease, but it could also be petroleum jelly that has yellowed with time. Thanks in advance. Scott

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39163	From: Eric R.	Date: 2/26/2006
Subject: Blatant attempt to sell something (GP9)

I have an American Models GP9 Union Pacific like new in the original box for sale. It is AC highrail. Runs like new. The hand rails are new in the box and have never been put on. This unit is out of stock like most everything UP at AM. List is $189. http://www.americanmodels.com/_photos/1455-061.jpg http://www.americanmodels.com/locos/gp-9.html $150 shipped to you in the USA48. Paypal or M.O. Thanks for looking Eric Reis Kenmore, Wa. 98028 I [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39164	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/26/2006
Subject: Greenberg's Guide to American Flyer S- Gauge, Vol 2

If anyone is looking for one, I found a hardback copy at Amazon, only $80 !! Wow! http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0897782143/002-6615050-6328046?n=283155 Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39165	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 2/27/2006
Subject: Re: Greenberg's Guide to American Flyer S- Gauge, Vol 2

I am glad I got into this early and bought Vol. I , II, III for $45 each and the catalogs were bound from 1946 to 1955 for $115. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Evans" <bassflyer@...> To: "S-Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 1:20 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Greenberg's Guide to American Flyer S- Gauge, Vol 2 > If anyone is looking for one, I found a hardback copy at Amazon, > only $80 !! Wow! > http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0897782143/002-6615050-6328046?n=283155 > > Rick. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39166	From: Mark Preman	Date: 2/27/2006
Subject: Vacuum Tubes for 324AC Whistle Controller

Man, I thought I really found something important when I found a little cache of these original tubes. I didn't realize they were that common. Thanks to our list member's message shown below, we now have to more resource websites to keep us in tubes. Now if I could only find another have dozen 324AC's in like new condition........ Mark Message: 9 Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 19:46:08 EST From: HOwingsiii@... Subject: Re: Vacuum Tubes for 324AC Whistle Controller Just checked two sites on line. _WWW.VACUUMTUBES.NET_ (http://www.VACUUMTUBES.NET) _WWW.VACUUMTUBES.BIZ_ (http://www.VACUUMTUBES.BIZ) Both have the 117P7 at $4.00 each Mark B. Preman AmericanFlyerTrains.com --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39167	From: Bruce D. Willis	Date: 2/27/2006
Subject: multiple sound controlers

Can the Railsounds buttons simply be wired in series with the variable input to the Air Whistle control button so that either can be operated without rewiring? - Bruce

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39168	From: John Foley	Date: 2/27/2006
Subject: AM Amtrak set

Hi Folks This weekend at the Allentown Train Show while promoting S and the NASG a dealer came by our table. He has an AM Amtrak phase 3 set for sale, with 2 extra cars. 6 in all. He's asking $275. Call the Train Collectors Warehouse, inc. Ask for Ed. 973 334 3399 973 334 8799 John [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39169	From: glenn allen	Date: 2/27/2006
Subject: Re: Christmas wagon loads and Famous people

WE've hit one snag in England, the dreaded Health and Safety, we can only stock our wagons with individually wrapped sweets and have to display signs : May contain Nuts Still, boxes of Roses or Celebrations look good in wagons On the famous people front: A recent episode of Southern Chopper featured a preserved railway (steam) and the S gauge trains of one of the staff (Gary, who died last year) he had a fair bit of stock running on the table top as well as 'stuffed and mounted' rare items. I wonder where it has all gone? ___________________________________________________________ To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! Security Centre. http://uk.security.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39170	From: trainman634	Date: 2/27/2006
Subject: Sheet Metal Boxcar Frame

What was the first year American Flyer used the sheet metal boxcar frame that used a screw on one end? Thanks for your help.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39171	From: scrabtiger	Date: 2/27/2006
Subject: Train Shows

Now that we are retired, we like to travel throughout the United States when the weather is good. Is there a website that I can go to to see a listing of train shows with American Flyer/S Gauge and when they are held? Thanks, Sharon

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39172	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/27/2006
Subject: Re: Train Shows

Here ya go! http://www.gats.com/ Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39173	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 2/27/2006
Subject: YORK

I JUST NOTICED THE NEW TIME LISTING Thu Apr 20, 2006 09:00:00 Instead of noon..... any other info...... Bob

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39174	From: Art Shifrin	Date: 2/27/2006
Subject: Food & twains: the White Plains Convention Center

Hi Gang, For those of you who attend these at the convention center. If you've not yet tried the City Lights Diner that's directly across the street from it, then do so. For years I'd not eaten there because I assumed that it was simply a very large diner with at best, ordinary diner food. Marlene and I had dinner there last night while visiting Peter & Cori (they live in White Plains). Everything that was served to the four of us was delectable. I was thrilled to find whole wheat pancakes on the menu, served with REAL maple syrup. WOW! FYI for those of you who are interested, there'll be a dog show there on Mar. 4 and a computer show of Mar. 18. We'll definitely be there on the 4th. Woof! Shiffy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39175	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/27/2006
Subject: Re: Celebrities & Electric Trains

Hi All, To say that Ward Kimball had a little of everything is a major understatement! He was "Mr. Toy Trains"--to the point that even had full sized narrow gauge in his backyard. His collection was recently auctioned off, but if you look back into the early days of toy train collecting, he was one of the major historians, contributors, and supporters. Both he and his wife were very approachable, cordial and just wonderful people. I was fortunate enough to have shared lunch tables with them at a few Railroad Preservation Symposiums. We are all going to miss Ward, but he sure left a great legacy. There was also a famous big band condutor, AAUGH, I can't remember his name -- David Rose? who had toy trains and live steam. Gotta go get something done today, raining like all get out, creeks up and muddy--ah, whata day off--oops garbage day--knew I was fogetting something! S' David.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39176	From: Phil K	Date: 2/27/2006
Subject: Re: Food & twains: the White Plains Convention Center

Where is White Plains? NY? --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Art Shifrin" <Goldens3@...> wrote: > > > Hi Gang, > > For those of you who attend these at the convention center. If you've > not yet tried the City Lights Diner that's directly across the street > from it, then do so. For years I'd not eaten there because I assumed > that it was simply a very large diner with at best, ordinary diner food. > Marlene and I had dinner there last night while visiting Peter & Cori > (they live in White Plains). Everything that was served to the four of > us was delectable. > > I was thrilled to find whole wheat pancakes on the menu, served with > REAL maple syrup. WOW! > > FYI for those of you who are interested, there'll be a dog show there on > Mar. 4 and a computer show of Mar. 18. > We'll definitely be there on the 4th. > > Woof! > Shiffy >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39177	From: Roy Inman	Date: 2/27/2006
Subject: Re: Celebrities & Electric Trains

I seem to recall that the original Capt. Kangaroo was a train collector, and on several occasions featured trains on his show. Roy I > From: David Dewey <djdewey@...> > Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 11:04:32 -0800 > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Celebrities & Electric Trains > > Hi All, > To say that Ward Kimball had a little of everything is a major > understatement! He was "Mr. Toy Trains"--to the point that even had full > sized narrow gauge in his backyard. His collection was recently auctioned > off, but if you look back into the early days of toy train collecting, he > was one of the major historians, contributors, and supporters. Both he and > his wife were very approachable, cordial and just wonderful people. I was > fortunate enough to have shared lunch tables with them at a few Railroad > Preservation Symposiums. We are all going to miss Ward, but he sure left a > great legacy. > There was also a famous big band condutor, AAUGH, I can't remember his > name -- David Rose? who had toy trains and live steam. > Gotta go get something done today, raining like all get out, creeks up and > muddy--ah, whata day off--oops garbage day--knew I was fogetting something! > S' > David. > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39178	From: Phil K	Date: 2/27/2006
Subject: Re: Train Shows

Most non-specific-scale train shows/sales -- like the GATS shows, local shows and the World's Largest Monthly at DuPage Fairgrounds outside Chicago -- are very top heavy with 1.) Lionel and other O gauge; and 2.) HO. So I really wouldn't put a lotta miles on the old buggy HOPING to find some American Flyer or S on someone's table at one of those. Usually, there is some, but for example at the huge show at DuPage I'd say Flyer/S represents 3-4 percent of the trains for sale. You'll also find a lot of new S stuff, but most of the time not at a great discount, if at a discount at all. (Nobody in their right mind pays full retail at a train show.) I think most non-scale-specific shows sorta mirror those S percentage numbers. Check out the NASG website at: http://www.nasg.org/events.html At the least, the shows listed there are a guaranteed bet for finding S and Flyer -- great if you're making cross-state or longer trips. If you come to Chicago this Nov. 3-5 for Fall S-Fest, for instance, you'll find a room of 17,000 square feet packed with nothing but S and Flyer. THOSE are the kind of trips worth making. Good luck and happy hunting! Phil K ****************************************************************** --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "scrabtiger" <SCrabTrain@...> wrote: > > Now that we are retired, we like to travel throughout the United > States when the weather is good. Is there a website that I can go to > to see a listing of train shows with American Flyer/S Gauge and when > they are held? > > Thanks, > Sharon >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39179	From: RCESpeak	Date: 2/27/2006
Subject: Re: Train Shows

scrabtiger wrote: >Now that we are retired, we like to travel throughout the United >States when the weather is good. Is there a website that I can go to >to see a listing of train shows with American Flyer/S Gauge and when >they are held? > >Thanks, >Sharon > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >Enjoy thousands of great photos >at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail >Yahoo! Groups Links > > Hi Sharon, I am not aware of a web site that contains train show information. I also don't know where you live or will be traveling. But I can give you a few dates for big shows. 04/20 - 04/22/06 York. The Mother of all train shows held at the Fairgrounds in York, PA. (Three days of bandit meets from 04/17 - 04/19/06 at the local fire house and hotels prior to the big shew.) The is the Eastern Division show of the TCA. You must be a member or a guest of a member to attend. 05/05 - 05/06/06 S Spree in Ohio, I think. Don't know exactly where. Someone else will have to provide that info. 05/20 - 05/21/06 Flyer Fest West. The Marriott in Fremont, Calif. 08/02 - 08/06/06 NASG Annual Convention, Pontiac, Michigan. It's to be held at the Marriott at Centerpoint. www.smsgtrains.org for info. Of course you missed a big one in Allentown, PA this past weekend. You'll have to wait till November to catch it again. There is a large S show in New Haven, Connecticut in July. It is organized by John and Robin Vanacore. Don't know the exact dates. 10/19 - 10/21/06 TCA Eastern Division Meet at York, PA. This is the twice a year show held at the York Fairgrounds. The S Fest is usually held within a few weeks of October York. So it should occur in November, 2006. I don't have exact dates and location info on this one yet, but it is generally held in the upper mid-west. That's about all I can provide you at this point. Hope it is at least a little helpful.... Barb

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39180	From: Jim Ensign	Date: 2/27/2006
Subject: Denver's Great Train Expo

I took my son down to Denver for the Great Train Expo last Saturday. It was very well done and had a lot to offer if you run "N", "HO", or "O" gauge. You had to search really hard to find any American Flyer, which is shy I wnet. But I didn't see any "S" SCALE stuff either. There were operating displays of N, HO, O, Garden Railways, Brio wooden trains, Lego trains, Thomas the Tank, etc. But, no "S". All in all, pretty disapponting - got my son a used HO Amtrak passenger car for $5 that goes with an old set he has, but the biggest purchase was the $17 we spent on two hot dogs, two cokes, and an order of fries. What a rip! The only positive of the day, other than getting to spend time with my son, was running into an old high school buddy I haven't seen since '68 when he joined the Air Force. I found out he's since retired and is involved with the Rocky Mountain chapter of the Train Collectors Assn. Forty years later and neither of us has changed a bit!!!!! Do the other touring companies have more Flyer stuff in their shows? Jim E.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39181	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/27/2006
Subject: Re: Train Shows

***(((Most non-specific-scale train shows/sales -- like the GATS shows, local shows and the World's Largest Monthly at DuPage Fairgrounds outside Chicago -- are very top heavy with 1.) Lionel and other O gauge; and 2.) HO.)))**** Yep, but I think it also depends on the area. The S.F. bay (here in Calif.) area is usually good for finding Flyer at GATS, IMHO. And I believe the L.A. area is OK, though I've never been to a train show down there. One time I drove two hours to Bakersfield Calif. and there wasn't ONE item that I saw in "S" !! Huge disappointment. I would call for info on those GATS before driving any distance,...now if ya happen to be the the area, no big deal. BUT, as usually, like Phil mentioned, shows are still top heavy with O & HO. Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39182	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/27/2006
Subject: Re: Train Shows

I forgot to mention that I used to go quite a bit down to Santa Barbara CA, (only a couple of hours from me).... always some Flyer, and newer stuff in "S". And the shows up North, always had SHS , AM, etc. goodies. Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39183	From: mlmarmer	Date: 2/27/2006
Subject: Re: Celebrities and Electric Trains

David Dewey, Star magazine writer for NASG magazine Rick Evans, Star Bass Player Don Thompson, Star promoter of keeping S alive. Jerry Matsick, for seeing the light of day and getting rid of O for S products. Mike Marmer Germantown, MD

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39184	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 2/27/2006
Subject: Re: Train Shows

In a message dated 2/27/2006 1:43:17 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, SCrabTrain@... writes: Now that we are retired, we like to travel throughout the United States when the weather is good. Is there a website that I can go to to see a listing of train shows with American Flyer/S Gauge and when they are held? Thanks, Sharon Schedule of events at Trains.com, and Trainshows.com Fred [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39185	From: rkuepper	Date: 2/27/2006
Subject: Re: Train Shows

Anyone interested in S has got to check these out! http://www.cvsga.org/schedule_2006.htm http://www.smsgtrains.org/ Dick Aurora, OH -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rick Evans Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 5:28 PM To: S-Trains Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Train Shows I forgot to mention that I used to go quite a bit down to Santa Barbara CA, (only a couple of hours from me).... always some Flyer, and newer stuff in "S". And the shows up North, always had SHS , AM, etc. goodies. Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39186	From: Roy Inman	Date: 2/27/2006
Subject: Re: Denver's Great Train Expo

Here in the KC area, it varies a lot from show to show. There is always something S at the Mid American Train and Toy show. Paul Stevens, former NASG president, always has several tables and his custom-made American Flyer banner. Very professional looking. And there are usually half a dozen other tables with at least some S. The show happens four times a year: Feb, May, Aug, Nov. Around 200 tables and several layouts, including our 4x8 KC S Gaugers setup and an accompanying Erector table or two. At the recent Greenberg show (first one for this area, I believe) there was some Flyer and a little scale stuff. The GATS show I have not been to in a couple of years. It has dwindled down to not worth seeing, IMHO. Roy I > From: Jim Ensign <hugoroundhouseflyer@...> > Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 22:03:54 +0000 > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] Denver's Great Train Expo > > Do the other touring companies have more Flyer stuff in their shows?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39187	From: RCESpeak	Date: 2/27/2006
Subject: Photo Album Update

Hi Y'all, I finally got photos loaded into my new photo album at: http://s-scale.org/albums/v/friends/Barb The photos are there but the comments still need to be added. I'll be doing that as time permits. CheerS.... Barb

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39188	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 2/27/2006
Subject: Re: YORK

TRY THIS LINK http://www.toytrains.info/york.asp BOB ----- Original Message ----- From: Fredstrainparts@... To: rcon7@... Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 7:29 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] YORK Bob, Where did you read this?? Fred [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39189	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 2/28/2006
Subject: Re Sam The Semaphore

I have no idea. Last night I spent a full hour getting the disconnected piece of hair thin spring to work after a fashion on the battered specimen I picked up recently. I ended up bending what I could see over the indentation on the edge of the bent over door tab and wedged the end behind the pivot rod. But as I say I have no idea how its supposed to be done. My main problem with mine is getting the semaphore to go back up again after it comes down. The plunger or the wire link seems to stick and when I put in a spring strong enough to return it the solenoid does not have enough grunt to bring it down. Any hints in this direction will be gratefully accepted. I should add I glued the base of the semaphore back with epoxy and I am beginning to wonder if I left a base flange (not supplied) out and the protruding piece is too long. How long should the plunger rod extend underneath so that the ramp pushes it down (or up depending on what way you are looking at it)? Thanks. Alistair.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39190	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 2/28/2006
Subject: Another fake calendar

Where are these guys getting these things. Anyone had any luck in searching out the source of these reproduction calendars? Would not mind having one for $10. Harewood _eBay: 1955 AMERICAN FLYER RAILROAD TRAINS CALENDAR MINT!! (item 6608747402 end time Feb-28-06 20:06:46 PST)_ (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6608747402&ssPageName=MERCOSI_VI_ROSI_PR4_PCN_BIX) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39191	From: hcopter51	Date: 2/28/2006
Subject: Guilford station wireing

Hello, can anyone supply info on how to wire the guilford station? Tried all kinds of wireing combo's without any luck.Guess I need the instructions. Any help would be appreciated.Thanks in advance,John.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39192	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 2/28/2006
Subject: Re: YORK

YES...... BUT JUST ABOUT ANYBODY ON THIS LIST CAN GET YOU IN AS A GUEST THE FIRST TIME...... AFTER THAT YOU NEED TO JOIN IF YOU WANT TO ATTTEND AGAIN....... THERE ARE UP TO 6 INDOOR AND OUTDOOR MEETS ON MONDAY, TUESDAY, AND WEDENSDAY.... FREE AND DEPENDING ON WEATHER...... THURSDAY, FRIDAY AND SAT IS THE INDOOR TCA MEET...... BOB ----- Original Message ----- From: "keith erhart" <erhart@...> To: "ROBERT ALLEN CONNER" <rcon7@...> Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 10:17 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] YORK > Is membership in TCA required to attend the York show? Thank you. > Keith Erhart > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "ROBERT ALLEN CONNER" <rcon7@...> > To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 1:18 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] YORK > > >> I JUST NOTICED THE NEW TIME LISTING Thu Apr 20, 2006 09:00:00 Instead of >> noon..... any other info...... Bob >> >> >> >> >> >> >> S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com >> All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! >> >> Enjoy thousands of great photos >> at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail >> Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.1.0/269 - Release Date: 2/24/2006 >> >> > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39193	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 2/28/2006
Subject: WHATS IN?????

While paying bills this I noticed one of my cards for toys has taken a big hit...... it will not show who for several days yet...... But it looks like somethings in..... THE NORTHERNS?????? BOB

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39194	From: frank emiro	Date: 2/28/2006
Subject: Re: Food & twains: the White Plains Convention Center

White Plains, NY is north of NYC about 20 miles from GCT (Grand Central Terminal). If you take the Harlem line out of GCT get off at White Plains (not North White Plains). By car, take I-95 , I-87, or I-684 to I-287 in Westchester County. The Bronx River Parkway goes right through White Plains and has an exit at The County Center ( Central Park Ave & Route # 119 "Tarrytown Road"). If you go to the newer MALL on Westchester Ave, you will be on the old weigh trackage of The NY, Westchester & Boston Railway. Hope this helps. Info on The NY,W&B Railway can be found in an old book by Roger Arcara call Westchester's Forgotten Railway. Frank Phil K <waldootten@...> wrote: Where is White Plains? NY? --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Art Shifrin" wrote: > > > Hi Gang, > > For those of you who attend these at the convention center. If you've > not yet tried the City Lights Diner that's directly across the street > from it, then do so. For years I'd not eaten there because I assumed > that it was simply a very large diner with at best, ordinary diner food. > Marlene and I had dinner there last night while visiting Peter & Cori > (they live in White Plains). Everything that was served to the four of > us was delectable. > > I was thrilled to find whole wheat pancakes on the menu, served with > REAL maple syrup. WOW! > > FYI for those of you who are interested, there'll be a dog show there on > Mar. 4 and a computer show of Mar. 18. > We'll definitely be there on the 4th. > > Woof! > Shiffy > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39195	From: Charles E. Smith	Date: 2/28/2006
Subject: Re: Re Sam The Semaphore

I am having trouble with my door spring also, either I need a replacement part or I invent (cobble) one. To get my plunger to work I got the plunger to fall reliably by it's own weight and finally didn't even use the plunger return spring. This took some tweaking but works well now. After trying epoxy I finally soldered the post to the base. This needs a hi wattage iron. You're correct that there is little ring to hold the mast, but it was enough for soldering. Epoxy works but was always getting knocked loose where I had the accessory. Chuck Smith, On matters of style swim with the current. On matters of substance stand like a rock. Thos. Jefferson (may be paraphrased) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alistair McAllister" <alizoo@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 3:01 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re Sam The Semaphore > I have no idea. Last night I spent a full hour getting the > disconnected piece of hair thin spring to work after a fashion on the > battered specimen I picked up recently. I ended up bending what I > could see over the indentation on the edge of the bent over door tab > and wedged the end behind the pivot rod. But as I say I have no idea > how its supposed to be done. My main problem with mine is getting the > semaphore to go back up again after it comes down. The plunger or the > wire link seems to stick and when I put in a spring strong enough to > return it the solenoid does not have enough grunt to bring it down. > Any hints in this direction will be gratefully accepted. I should add > I glued the base of the semaphore back with epoxy and I am beginning > to wonder if I left a base flange (not supplied) out and the > protruding piece is too long. How long should the plunger rod extend > underneath so that the ramp pushes it down (or up depending on what > way you are looking at it)? Thanks. Alistair. > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39196	From: frank emiro	Date: 2/28/2006
Subject: Re: Celebrities and Electric Trains

I have been told several years ago, columnist and TV commentator George Wills has an American Flyer Layout. I am not sure if anyone has seen it. I have also been told he did go to train shows. I can't say any of this is true or not. Frank Jerry Matsick <jpmatsick@...> wrote: Would be interesting to see how many celebrities have an interest in our beloved hobby, I am sure there are more than we know of, like Frank Sinatra etc. If you know of any let us hear of it! Jerry Matsick S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39197	From: mlmarmer	Date: 2/28/2006
Subject: Re: uh-oh what's this-mayhem at Mike's

Thanks Rick, as that is sort of where I was trying to go with these emails, as we all have different reasons for being on a list,open to all, no matter the topic on S trains. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Evans" <bassflyer@...> To: "S-Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 7:52 PM Subject: [S-Trains] uh-oh what's this-mayhem at Mike's > **(((Yes, if I overloaded the list with many emails the past few weeks, that is > because this is the first true AF layout I have ever had, as I am 50. It > has been real exciting to me, as I tried to add a bit of humor to them, as I > did upset a few, as I got a few "hate" emails. Sorry, just my excitement of > what I have been missing for many years)))*** > > Mike, > I myself, am excited for you and your enthusiasm!! > It's been a breath of fresh air, to me anyway. > There are times, in MY opinion, the list seems dead. > And I get tired of the "Who's buying out who".....etc. > > I've said it before, and I'll say it a thousand times again,.... > there are PLENTY of posts/topics on this list that don't interest me > in the slightest. > I have a great key on my keyboard, others MUST have it too......... > ......the DELETE key! > > Others should try it. > > Rick (suiting up in case of a flaming) > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39198	From: ED WHELAN	Date: 2/28/2006
Subject: Postwar Lionel Trains Library

Greetings to All, I came across this site yesterday in an attempt to restore my brother-in-law's childhood Lionel train set. It will be a surprise Xmas gift. Anyway, it sure would be nice if an American Flyer site like this existed as well. Does anyone know of such a site? Ed http://www.postwarlionel.com/index.html [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39199	From: Phil K	Date: 2/28/2006
Subject: Re: Postwar Lionel Trains Library

You can get just as much information on American Flyer/S, you just need to visit multiple sites. These are some of the better ones, and I hope others here will list any I inadvertantly overlooked: http://www.trainweb.org/crocon/saf.html http://www.tuveson.com http://www.portlines.com Phil K --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "ED WHELAN" <ejw333@...> wrote: > > Greetings to All, > > I came across this site yesterday in an attempt to restore my brother-in-law's childhood Lionel train set. It will be a surprise Xmas gift. Anyway, it sure would be nice if an American Flyer site like this existed as well. Does anyone know of such a site? Ed http://www.postwarlionel.com/index.html

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39200	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 2/28/2006
Subject: MINOR HELP - NEED ADDRESS

I HAD MADE SOME COPIES OF OLD "M" FORMS IN "O" AND "HO" FOR A FELLOW.......... I LOST THE EMAIL WITH THE ADDRESS....... PLEASE CONTACT ME AGAIN........ BOB CONNER

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39201	From: mlmarmer	Date: 2/28/2006
Subject: O Vs. S

My wife was talking to a co-worker who loves trains. He likes to go to see real trains and layouts. He is about 63, retired military, now in the civilian workforce. He has his Lionel trains from when he was a kid. For Christmas, his wife got him, the O Polar Express Lionel Set. He went to a train show in Chantilly, VA earlier in February. He had a great time, as I think he picked up some more track. But he liked the sized of S the best. Not too big or small, just right. He really like the Baltimore American Flyer Club layout. He might convert over to S. He was impress too, with all the technology changes in all the trains, digital transformers, the way you can run many trains on one layout and the new type of track. Sorry O gauge people. O:)! Lost another one to S. Soon, I hope. Mike Marmer

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39202	From: Roy Inman	Date: 2/28/2006
Subject: FW: AM Northerns ETA

FYI all; This was the response I got from Doug Peck of Portlines Hobby Supply when I asked about the American Model Northerns. Roy I ---------- > From: Doug Peck <Doug@...> > Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 17:53:53 -0500 > To: Roy Inman <rinphoto@...> > Subject: RE: AM Northerns > > They're in MI, and should be shipping to me by the end of the week.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39203	From: keefer1	Date: 2/28/2006
Subject: dewey

Dave contact me off list. Keith __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39204	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 2/28/2006
Subject: Re: Gondola Loads

And where are the pictures, Bob????? Dick At 05:06 PM 2/25/2006, ROBERT ALLEN CONNER wrote: >Hey Dick....... I just saw a >with a load of SWITCHES go by >today...... rails, ties, frog and all..... Bob >----- Original Message ----- >From: "rkuepper" <rkuepper@...> >To: <boss31@...>; <wes4260@...>; <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> >Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 2:28 PM >Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Gondola Loads > > > > PFFFT! Blatant commercial!! LOL ;<) > > > > Dick > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf > > Of boss31@... > > Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 1:44 PM > > To: wes4260@...; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Gondola Loads > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 02/25/2006 11:23:02 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, > > wes4260@... writes: > > > > What kind of loads do you put in your American Flyer gondolas? > > > > > > > > Track cleaning motors and canisters. > > > > Steve > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >Enjoy thousands of great photos >at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39205	From: trainnut2us	Date: 2/28/2006
Subject: 4-8-4 Are HERE

I got my Northern today, in Ohio. It was on my step when I got home from work this PM! Currently converted to SHS Loco kadee coupler and breaking in on loop of track. Jim Siverling

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39206	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 2/28/2006
Subject: Re: York in April

Have room at Leader Height Holiday Inn to share, any one interested, contact me off line Jerry M

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39207	From: Roger Delthony	Date: 2/28/2006
Subject: Gondola Loads

I took four Erector girders, 1-1/8" x 6" (early wide Erector girders), bolted them together to make a 1-1/8" square box beam, and raised it up with some Erector angles. It makes a nice load in a 24125 Bethlehem Steel gondola. Roger Delthony

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39208	From: joecraig60514	Date: 3/1/2006
Subject: s-fest 2006

The Chicago S-Gaugers are holding their s-fest the first weekend of November in Tinley Park Illinois. If you haven't been there it is probably the largest in the midwest, I am in charge of the layout room. We are unique to others as we have a huge layout area open to the public separate from the large trading floor. Four years ago we had at least a dozen displays, including a huge moduar layout using sections from three clubs pieced together. Anyone having an interest in setting up a layout can contact me at jcraigpatriot@... or cell # 630-606- 2423. We may not be able to accomodate all but we hope to have every available square foot filled with all facets of s-gauge..

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39209	From: ED WHELAN	Date: 3/1/2006
Subject: Re: Postwar Lionel Trains Library

David, It sure sounds like you invested quite a bit of time into the project. Perhaps I can lend a hand and help you both complete it. It has been a while, but I have some experience in designing websites using Microsoft Front Page. I'll contact the webmaster of the Lionel site and get his input. You mentioned that you were 90% complete in collecting high quality photos. That surely is quite an accomplishment. Do you and Bob think it would be feasible to publish what you currently have and treat the site as a "work in progress"? Hopefully, as time goes on additional photos can be added or replaced. I'm familiar with Bob's excellent & informative website. Please contact me and let me know how I can help. I agree with you that a one stop website for American Flyer Trains would be an asset to all. Ed ----- Original Message ----- From: "David" <af21115@...> To: "ED WHELAN" <ejw333@...> Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 8:00 AM Subject: Re: Postwar Lionel Trains Library I had started work on such a project, and worked on it for several years attempting to get a photo of everything Gilbert ever made including factory errors, mock ups, one of a kind samples etc. I got to the point where I was about 90% done and quit when I got out of AF S and got into Lionel Standard Gauge. I'm currently helping Bob Graves with his web page. But we both agree that a seperate application like the Lionel one where everything is organized into grids and lists by category would be much easier and better looking. But that would take a lot of time and effort something which neither of us has. We also agree it would not be cost efficient, so it would have to be a simple labor of love project. The problem with the Lionel site is that many of the photos are poor, the objects are junky, and many times incomplete. When I was gathering photos I only kept ones that were crisp, clear, and the item was in excellent condition and complete preferably with original packaging. I was able to stick with that criteria for 95% of what I collected, the exceptions being really tough and/or rare items, and one of a kind samples etc. Enjoy.... --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "ED WHELAN" <ejw333@...> wrote: > > Greetings to All, > > I came across this site yesterday in an attempt to restore my brother- in-law's childhood Lionel train set. It will be a surprise Xmas gift. Anyway, it sure would be nice if an American Flyer site like this existed as well. Does anyone know of such a site? Ed > http://www.postwarlionel.com/index.html > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39210	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 3/1/2006
Subject: Re: More Blatant SHS commercialism

I picked up the new three bay PS-2 hoppers today and we will start shipping the orders this afternoon. So far, the Domino Sugar and Jack Frost seem to be the best sellers. You can see images in our ad of the March 2006 issue S Gaugian (back cover), or you can visit our website at: http://www.showcaseline.com/Hoppers/3BayPS2/3bayps2_in_stock.html On the same container we had more 10" straight and 20" radius 30 degree curved track. Next we expect the re-run of Waddell Coal cars to be shipped with the next batch of reefers. We will see these in April. This is the 2nd time the Waddell coal cars have sold out before the shipment left our builder. They have agreed to make a third run for us, we expect to see these in July. The 3 bay PS-2 covered hoppers are the first new cars for 2006 and we regret to report that a price increase to $42.95 on these. The new reefers will now be $45.95. Best regards, Don

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39211	From: trainnut2us	Date: 3/1/2006
Subject: AM 4-8-4- Northern

To answer some questions about my northern, 1. It is the AM 4-8-4, AC Hi Rail Santa Fe with locomatic sound. 2. I ordered direct from AM 3.I used a SHS loco coupler with bracket, I had to elongate the screw holes in bracket to fit. 4. I just hooked up my locomatic controler for first time, whistle is good, but bell is a bit loud. Steam let off is a bit eratic like other AM sound units. 5. Chuff very good ,smoke puffs well but have not run at high speed and I am using included smoke solution, I would like to see more volume of smoke. 6. Detail is very ood for me but I'm not a rivit counter, and its running very well on SHS starter track set (small radious) has not derailed when backing and pushing 6 cars (mix of SHS hoopers,track clearer box car,desplains coal porter,AM caboose and downs tank car). &. Have not modified engin other than couplers and have not had any binding of linkage to tender, but have so far only operated clockwise. Jim Siverling

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39212	From: Mark Preman	Date: 3/1/2006
Subject: American Flyer Trains For Sale

The new list is posted at http://www.americanflyertrains.com It includes a large collection of FLYONEL from our lost brother John Roberts down in Big Pine Key, FL. He always said it was the "southern most American Flyer layout in the United States". It will take many weeks to get it all up on the list. Personal note; It is always a sad task to dispose of a collection from one of us and even more so when I helped establish it. The list also shows a few SHS and AM locos as well as some hard to find Gilbert goodies. Happy hunting! Mark Mark B. Preman AmericanFlyerTrains.com --------------------------------- Brings words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39213	From: muniman18	Date: 3/1/2006
Subject: Lionel/af up set

I'm thinking of buying the lionel/af union pacific passenger set wanted to know what you think of it mike

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39214	From: Art Shifrin	Date: 3/1/2006
Subject: Shiffy's graphic capabilities are back on line!

Hi Gang, If any of you still need the whistle controller and tube info, ping me again & I'll send 'em out tonight. Woof!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39215	From: trainnut2us	Date: 3/1/2006
Subject: AM 4-8-4- Northern

Oops, locomatic is SHS product not AM, I have AM Sounds and their Sound box control! Jim

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39216	From: Charles E. Smith	Date: 3/1/2006
Subject: AM Northern

Santa Fe oil version came today. Well detailed, impressive size, very smooth running, throaty whistle, weighs a ton and will probably pull more cars than I'll ever need. No problem with a couple places where it has to navigate Flyer radius. A couple of small plastic detail parts popped off (not broken) so I don't think it will like much handling. If you like big steam this one's a beaut! Thank you AM! Chuck Smith, On matters of style swim with the current. On matters of substance stand like a rock. Thos. Jefferson (may be paraphrased)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39217	From: Larry Moore	Date: 3/1/2006
Subject: Re: Re Sam The Semaphore

Charles, This the first time I have had in a couple of days to get caught up on emails. I purchased a new spring from Doug at Portlines. I tried what you did, trying to make one from my spring collection. What I am looking for now is the possibility of someone on list to take and send a picture of a proper spring installation. The plunger on the one I picked up works fine so I did not have to mess with it. It is a unique little piece if you can get it to operate correctly. Let's keep at it , I am sure they can be fixed. Thanks, Larry ----- Original Message ----- From: Charles E. Smith<mailto:cesmith@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com<mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> ; Alistair McAllister<mailto:alizoo@...> Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 11:52 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re Sam The Semaphore I am having trouble with my door spring also, either I need a replacement part or I invent (cobble) one. To get my plunger to work I got the plunger to fall reliably by it's own weight and finally didn't even use the plunger return spring. This took some tweaking but works well now. After trying epoxy I finally soldered the post to the base. This needs a hi wattage iron. You're correct that there is little ring to hold the mast, but it was enough for soldering. Epoxy works but was always getting knocked loose where I had the accessory. Chuck Smith, On matters of style swim with the current. On matters of substance stand like a rock. Thos. Jefferson (may be paraphrased) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alistair McAllister" <alizoo@...<mailto:alizoo@...>> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com<mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>> Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 3:01 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re Sam The Semaphore > I have no idea. Last night I spent a full hour getting the > disconnected piece of hair thin spring to work after a fashion on the > battered specimen I picked up recently. I ended up bending what I > could see over the indentation on the edge of the bent over door tab > and wedged the end behind the pivot rod. But as I say I have no idea > how its supposed to be done. My main problem with mine is getting the > semaphore to go back up again after it comes down. The plunger or the > wire link seems to stick and when I put in a spring strong enough to > return it the solenoid does not have enough grunt to bring it down. > Any hints in this direction will be gratefully accepted. I should add > I glued the base of the semaphore back with epoxy and I am beginning > to wonder if I left a base flange (not supplied) out and the > protruding piece is too long. How long should the plunger rod extend > underneath so that the ramp pushes it down (or up depending on what > way you are looking at it)? Thanks. Alistair. > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com<http://www.americanflyertrains.com/> > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail<http://s-scale.org/albums/modelrail> > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com<http://www.americanflyertrains.com/> All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail<http://s-scale.org/albums/modelrail> Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39218	From: Larry Moore	Date: 3/1/2006
Subject: Re: Re Sam The Semaphore

Alistair, Have just now had a chance to respond to your message. I had the same problem with door spring, ordered a new one from Doug Peck. Mine works fine as far as flag and plunger working. Would be glad to take and send photos, if you think they would help you. Thanks, Larry ----- Original Message ----- From: Alistair McAllister<mailto:alizoo@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com<mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 3:01 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re Sam The Semaphore I have no idea. Last night I spent a full hour getting the disconnected piece of hair thin spring to work after a fashion on the battered specimen I picked up recently. I ended up bending what I could see over the indentation on the edge of the bent over door tab and wedged the end behind the pivot rod. But as I say I have no idea how its supposed to be done. My main problem with mine is getting the semaphore to go back up again after it comes down. The plunger or the wire link seems to stick and when I put in a spring strong enough to return it the solenoid does not have enough grunt to bring it down. Any hints in this direction will be gratefully accepted. I should add I glued the base of the semaphore back with epoxy and I am beginning to wonder if I left a base flange (not supplied) out and the protruding piece is too long. How long should the plunger rod extend underneath so that the ramp pushes it down (or up depending on what way you are looking at it)? Thanks. Alistair. S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com<http://www.americanflyertrains.com/> All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail<http://s-scale.org/albums/modelrail> Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39219	From: Roy Inman	Date: 3/1/2006
Subject: Re: Lionel/af up set

Mike, Mine runs fine. The paint and detailing are better than the original. The B unit with sound is a nice addition, if rather quiet. I see them at train shows for $400~$500, and sometimes that includes one of the add-on cars as well. The only problem I have had is that my Fox Terrier thought it was some sort of invading animal the first time I ran it on the floor, jumped across the room knocking a B unit off the tracks and breaking a coupler. No other damage. Roy I > From: muniman18 <muniman18@...> > Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 23:03:09 +0000 > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] Lionel/af up set > > I'm thinking of buying the lionel/af union pacific passenger > set wanted to know what you think of it mike > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39220	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 3/1/2006
Subject: Re: Re Sam The Semaphore

Thanks Larry, Barb & co. I fiddled around and twisted the plunger a bit, which freed it, fitted a soft spring I had lying around and it works perfectly. I can live with the shed door being a scale 6-9 inches open - when I feel like straining my eyes I will get a spring off Doug when I put my next order in. My buddies are not into model or toy railroads but they sure love the Flyer accesories, as do my 9 year old and the little boy next door. Goes without saying the big boy here likes them best! Alistair

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39221	From: Jim Ensign	Date: 3/2/2006
Subject: Re-Chrome Responses

Thanks to all of you for your responses on my questions about painting or re-chroming my 660-662 passenger set. Sounds like chrome- like painting is NOT the way to go. I will continue to look into re- plating if I can find something reasonable in cost. Any thoughts on why my vista domer wants to wobble? The others run level and smooth, but the vista looks like it has a flat wheel or something. I have checked and re-checked the wheels/axles, and replaced one that I thought might be bent a bit. Do the "pockets" where the axles run wear out? They sure seem sloppy to me. Are there bushing kits for these cars to take care of that wear? Any othr thoughts on the wobbliness? (I'm not sure "wobbliness is a word, but it seems to fit!) On another note, I am wondering if the standard round motor brushes can get saturated with oil, and if so, would it affect performance? I try to not over-lube, but I have purchased engines that seem sluggish until i put in new brushes, even though the old ones are still plenty long and not worn down. Jim E.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39222	From: tomminil@aol.com	Date: 3/2/2006
Subject: Just got a collection on consignment blantant attempt to sell

I am selling a collection for the family for a dear friend, I helped him build his first layout and now I have to help disassemble it. He was 55 with a great family. Opened an eBay store. If you buy from the store in store format (fixed price/best offer, not auction) selling fees are reduced so I can pass on a discount, some limitations apply. (See ebay for details I do not understand it all) Sample of items merger SantaFe geep heavyweights passenger sets Christmas cars not everything is listed yet So if you log on to eBay please enter through my store, to help you and this wonderful family. link is _http://stores.ebay.com/GREAT-TRAIN-ESCAPE_ (http://stores.ebay.com/GREAT-TRAIN-ESCAPE) Thanks this is a great group and I hope this email does not upset anyone. Tom [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39223	From: Gale Hall	Date: 3/2/2006
Subject: Fw: [JEP_Trains_Toys] JEP 1958 Catalogue of O & S

Good morning list, Here is a very interesting catalog of French JEP trains from 1958, the S or 25mm I think is on page 5 and 7 and then there is a page of two rail track. The two pages of S have an S below them in the thumbnails, I don't recall the track being marked this way, but it is the two rail track...I note with interest the switches are like Y's and see how they are used in the track diagrams like a double slip switch. This is a neat undertaking and all the credit goes to the efforts of the author on the JEP list. Gale Hall ----- Original Message ----- From: hspanier2000 To: JEP_Trains_Toys@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 9:04 PM Subject: [JEP_Trains_Toys] JEP 1958 Catalogue of O & S Nice find from another group. 56 scans! http://www.quiot.com/Photos/Spgm/index.php?spgmGal=JepCata58 Very best, Mike Hello all - One of the interesting parts of our hobby is the linking of individuals throughout the world with a common interest. In our case, JEP Trains & Toys. With this in mind, if you would not object, please add your country and city in your profile. Needless to say, if you are uncomfortable with this request, it is not necessary. Hopefully you will concur. Thank you, Mike Spanier List Owner + Moderator -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS a.. Visit your group "JEP_Trains_Toys" on the web. b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: JEP_Trains_Toys-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39224	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 3/2/2006
Subject: Re: Lionel/af up set

I concur-the Flyonel Pony Express is a winner. Even with the add-on B and all the extra cars (3, ditto the MP) the powered A effortlessly pulls along and has very good low speed running. The graphics really put the original to shame. My one beef is the glaring white windows. I took the shells off and inserted a sheet of legal pad paper and it toned them down nicely. Check out the MP set too-you wouldn't think Gilbert was on the same page as Flyonel-but look at the "fidelity" to scale of the model kits of the period, and I'd have to say that the originals were meeting expectations of the consumer of the period-and I'll add that I am a vintage consumer-John Marganski --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39225	From: keefer1	Date: 3/2/2006
Subject: Fwd: SF merger Geep on Ebay

--- keefer1 <keefer1_us@...> wrote: > Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 09:48:46 -0800 (PST) > From: keefer1 <keefer1_us@...> > Subject: SF merger Geep on Ebay > To: s-traina@yahoogroups.com > > Heres a link. Someone was loking for one , but I > don't > remember who. > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/AMERICAN-FLYER-6-48023-SANTA-FE-MERGER-NEW-IN-THE-BOX_W0QQitemZ6040730452QQcategoryZ480QQcmdZViewItem > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39226	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 3/2/2006
Subject: NORTHERNS....... A WINNER

SF's 2920 AND 2923 Arrived today........ WOW....... only prob...... WHAT ENGINE TO EXPECT NEXT !!!!!!!!! How about a Mallet????? I will take one now.... These things are BEAUTIFUL.... Haven't tried running yet....... will prob be a few days yet.... The detail is fantastic...The tender is almost as long as the engine .... guess I need to tear down my layouts and rebuild this fall....... one on each side of the room with bridges to connect them....... one for all FLYER and one near scale running this new stuff .... with large curves at all corners so AF or these can circle the whole room...... Will still keep the Flyer sets on the shelves for display...... Bob

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39227	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 3/2/2006
Subject: Re: NORTHERNS....... A WINNER

Why is it that some people just complain, complain, complain!! Never happy about anything! :<D See you at York, Bob. Enjoy your new toy. Dick Aurora, OH -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 1:49 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] NORTHERNS....... A WINNER SF's 2920 AND 2923 Arrived today........ WOW....... only prob...... WHAT ENGINE TO EXPECT NEXT !!!!!!!!! How about a Mallet????? I will take one now.... These things are BEAUTIFUL.... Haven't tried running yet....... will prob be a few days yet.... The detail is fantastic...The tender is almost as long as the engine .... guess I need to tear down my layouts and rebuild this fall....... one on each side of the room with bridges to connect them....... one for all FLYER and one near scale running this new stuff .... with large curves at all corners so AF or these can circle the whole room...... Will still keep the Flyer sets on the shelves for display...... Bob S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39228	From: Phil K	Date: 3/2/2006
Subject: Re: Fwd: SF merger Geep on Ebay

Hey Keith -- Strange thing about the SF merger Geep -- none of the current price guides are hip to the "rareness" of this piece. The asking price for this one (below) is $650. In all the shows I go to and all the time I spend clocking sales and prices on eBay -- this is the first time I've ever seen one of these appear for sale. I've seen five or six original track gangs sell during that same period. BTW, I think it was Jerry Matsick who was seeking one. Phil K --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, keefer1 <keefer1_us@...> wrote: > > > > --- keefer1 <keefer1_us@...> wrote: > > > Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 09:48:46 -0800 (PST) > > From: keefer1 <keefer1_us@...> > > Subject: SF merger Geep on Ebay > > To: s-traina@yahoogroups.com > > > > Heres a link. Someone was loking for one , but I > > don't > > remember who. > > > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/AMERICAN-FLYER-6-48023-SANTA-FE-MERGER-NEW-IN- THE-BOX_W0QQitemZ6040730452QQcategoryZ480QQcmdZViewItem > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > > protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39229	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 3/2/2006
Subject: Re: NORTHERNS....... A WINNER

DICK.......... TOYS....... 2 OF THEM WITH DIFFERENT NUMBERS...... BOB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dick Kuepper" <rkuepper@...> To: "'ROBERT ALLEN CONNER'" <rcon7@...>; <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 2:59 PM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] NORTHERNS....... A WINNER Why is it that some people just complain, complain, complain!! Never happy about anything! :<D See you at York, Bob. Enjoy your new toy. Dick Aurora, OH -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 1:49 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] NORTHERNS....... A WINNER SF's 2920 AND 2923 Arrived today........ WOW....... only prob...... WHAT ENGINE TO EXPECT NEXT !!!!!!!!! How about a Mallet????? I will take one now.... These things are BEAUTIFUL.... Haven't tried running yet....... will prob be a few days yet.... The detail is fantastic...The tender is almost as long as the engine .... guess I need to tear down my layouts and rebuild this fall....... one on each side of the room with bridges to connect them....... one for all FLYER and one near scale running this new stuff .... with large curves at all corners so AF or these can circle the whole room...... Will still keep the Flyer sets on the shelves for display...... Bob S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39230	From: Phil K	Date: 3/2/2006
Subject: Mikado smoke unit replacement site back online

Like many others, I have been trying to restore my photo albums after the catastrophic failure of the last server. A huge thank you to Paul Yorke, for setting this up so many of us -- me included -- could have a place to post photographs in cyberspace. Anyway, one of the busiest areas of my site ("Phil K's Trains and whathaveyou...") has been the "Mikado smoke unit repair for dummies." This is one of the most difficult repairs I've ever attempted because of the tight quarters inside the Lionel American Flyer Mikado. I also was the first to order parts and attempt this, so unfortunately, Lionel had no instructions available. To this day, I haven't seen any how-to paper on this repair. If you have a Mikado, the instructions clearly state that the smoke unit should NOT be allowed to run dry. With my near-brand-new Mike running on our club's layout at a train show, I walked away for 10 minutes and... voila! the smoke unit was trashed. Here's how to fix it, should it happen to you: http://s-scale.org/albums/v/friends/philk Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39231	From: Terry Putt	Date: 3/2/2006
Subject: Rex locomotives

I am again offering the Rex 0-6-0 switcher and mogul in kit form. Prices are $230 each for either locomotive including shipping. These include our can motor conversion (available separately). DC scale or hirail. Add $30 for valve gear : $25 for smoke unit : $6 for modified coupler pair : 56" or 48" drivers. Ohio residents add sales tax for your county. Most Rex parts available including gons and flats, ask for list. RTR locomotives are still available. Built to your order. Contact me for delivery. Currently 6 weeks delivery. Terry Putt Putt Trains Inc. PO Box 463 Orwell Ohio 44076-0463 puttrain@... www.putttrains.com 440-437-8664

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39232	From: Doug Peck	Date: 3/2/2006
Subject: Branchline enters S

Another structure kit manufacturer is testing the S-scale market. Branchline Trains has been manufacturing and distributing quality structure kits as well as rolling stock (freight and passenger) kits in HO for quite some time. They are now testing the S-scale market with the release of their first laser-cut S kit......the Flagstop Station, a small trackside station stop with nice detail. It retails for $32.50, and we are offering it right now for $29.95 . If the kit is well received, Branchline will continue with further S-scale kits in the future. You can view a color picture of this kit on our homepage. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: http://www.portlines.com E-mail: doug@... VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39233	From: Gary Chidester	Date: 3/3/2006
Subject: Modifying American Models?

I was intrigued by a post that came across the other day about locomatic in an American Models locomotive. I know that it was a mistake, but it has had me thinking about it. I would like that option! Is there someone out there that has had any of the American Models diesels or the new 4-8-4 open to see if is possible and how much expertise it would take to add the locomatic sound and control to one of these? I have the Alco PA-1 A-B-A that I would consider modifying, also an American Models GP9. Thanks, Gary

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39234	From: Velapoldi	Date: 3/3/2006
Subject: How to do it?

Hi all: Is there a way to list people who do not live in the US? Sort of a general foreign part to the map? I looked when it first started, but didn't find anything. Anything new added? Rance Velapoldi (Norway) >wrote: >Ralph: > >This link will show you where many S Guagers live. > >http://www.frappr.com/strains > >John Simms >San Bernardino > (Note from Paul, yes there is a way ... In the box that one would add a your name and zip, click on the words, 'Not in US, Click here'

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39235	From: Don Thompson	Date: 3/3/2006
Subject: Re: Modifying American Models?

Dear Gary, I know several people who do custom installations of the Dallee LocoMatic sound system in American Models engines. The make a LocoMatic sound board just for the American Models GG-1. Dallas told me that Bob Board (Super Smoke and All Aboard fame) installed LM sound in a American Models Trainmaster. You can visit their website to learn more at: www.dallee.com I think that SnS may do this type of work. Another company I do know does these custom LocoMatic installation is Crusader, but I do not have Ray Kaminski's e-mail address. I would think you could get it from Dallas at: dallas@... Best regards, Don PS Dallas also make replacement electronic reverse units for your classic AC Gilbert engines. Gary Chidester wrote: >I was intrigued by a post that came across the other day about locomatic in >an American Models locomotive. I know that it was a mistake, but it has had >me thinking about it. I would like that option! Is there someone out there >that has had any of the American Models diesels or the new 4-8-4 open to see >if is possible and how much expertise it would take to add the locomatic >sound and control to one of these? > >I have the Alco PA-1 A-B-A that I would consider modifying, also an American >Models GP9. > >Thanks, > >Gary >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39236	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 3/3/2006
Subject: Multicore solder

OK, my mind-er, memory is shot. Here's the info on that multicore solder that I was raving about. "ERSIN Multicore Five Core Solder-Multicore Solder LTI Hemel Hempstead, Herts." Other than its exceptional flow capabiltities, the truly amazing thing about it is that it's .042 dia. and has 5 cores. Absolutly non-corrosive. And, sorry, I haven't a clue on where to purchase it. I was given 2 1 lb. rolls by a fellow who worked in the mock-up shop at Stratford (CT) Lycoming. Since he and I, and the whole facility, are otherwise employed, I suggest an I-net search. This solder is well worth the effort-John Marganski --------------------------------- Brings words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39237	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 3/3/2006
Subject: Re: Modifying American Models?

Ray Kaminski's email address is crusaderrail@... He is a really nice fellow and was recommended to me Dallas Gutacker (spelling?) of Dallee Electronics. Ray did not try to sell me anything but patiently answered questions I had about converting AM diesels to the Locomatic Sound system. I came close to going that route on a pair of E8s and FP7s. But I asked questions that allowed me to compare going DCC with Locomatic Sound and decided on the DCC. Ray has converted 4 locos for me and is working on 4 more, including an AM Hudson, two E8s, and the AM SOUTHERN steam locomotive. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---------------------------- It appears to me that Ray is in hot demand from modelers of all gauges and you may be on a lengthy waiting list if you want him to do conversions for you. But contact him and ask him how long it will take to do your projects. But I am convinced that he is honest, extremely knowledgeable, and has a rather perfectionistic attitude about doing our conversions. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---------------------------- Its interesting to me that there was a posting a few days ago by someone severely criticizing (without specifics) the Locomatic Control System. I really would have liked to know what his beef was. Obviously there are some others like me who think the Locomatic Control system is pretty darn good. I would be sticking with it if I had not decided to go DCC. And I have given Locomatic Control F3 sets to 4 relatives who have young children, thinking this was best for them. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---------------------------- - Earl Henry, Nashville [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39238	From: Gerald L Shultz Sr.	Date: 3/3/2006
Subject: NEW NORTHERN FROM AMERICAN MODELS

Greetings, Received the New Santa Fe Hi-Rail Northern from American Models and it is a treat!!!! Looks great, runs great at low and high end, smokes very well at low speeds and smokes up a storm at higher speeds. It has ran well on original flyer track so a larger radious would be an additional plus. Ordered the one with smoke and chug only so no comment on full sound. Also found my pacific Santa Fe tender also from AM matches up with loco and runs well providing me with full sounds and a alternative coal tender if desired. I think Ron and his staff are to be complimented on this endeaver to provide more and better choices for S Gauge. I am very satisfied with it and the many other locos I operate from American Models. Sincerely, Gerald L Shultz Sr.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39239	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 3/3/2006
Subject: American Models GG-1 TMCC and Sound.

With all of this talk about Locomatic conversions I would like to remind you folks that if you are going to all the trouble of converting why not convert to TMCC? I am not slamming Locomatic but TMCC is better IMHO. I have over 25 S gauge TMCC locos from the Docksider with sounds to the Challenger and several SHS and AM conversions too. Here is my latest, an AM GG-1 with Sounds. http://www.tuveson.com/tmcc-gg1/tmcc-gg1.htm This was a very easy conversion to do as are many. There are three suppliers of TMCC conversion boards. TAS, Digital Dynamics and The Electric RR. The Electric RR Co. also makes a very small TMCC and Conventional sound system very reasonably priced. For more Inormation on TMCC and S Gauge see this kink. http://www.tuveson.com/TMCC/s_gauge_and_tmcc.htm S Gauge and TMCC Neat-O! Carl

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39240	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 3/3/2006
Subject: Re: American Models GG-1 TMCC and Sound.

Oh YEA Carl, GG1's absolutely rock! As if I didn't have enough reasons to accept your offer to come visit. ;-) On the topic of TMCC, when you do your conversion to TMCC, does the resulting product work with both traditional power and TMCC control? I remember you said the layout itself will power either, I just could not remember if TMCC'ized engines are TMCC only from then on. Lionel TMCC equipped engines have a switch to select TMCC or classic, correct? Thanks for posting the GG1 details... wow wow wow!!! I'm really going to end up with a mixed up vintage on my layout. Modeling CK&S around 1915 to 1920 range, GG1's and Northerns roaring by, Alco RS3 units, Baldwin switchers... ;-) Time warp for sure! Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39241	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 3/3/2006
Subject: Re: American Models GG-1 TMCC and Sound.

Carl and Gang! Carl suggests converting engines to TMCC, that is fine, but who installs them, old codgers like me with bad eyes can't see to install anything. True, I love my Flyynel with TMCC, but I also like my S Helper engines with Locomatic and the Gilbert engines with Locomatic. So my question is: "Who will install TMCC into our engines? THE NUMBER ONE REASON FOR GETTING OUT OF O GAUGE WAS ALL THE DIFFERENT CONTROL SYSTEMS, I would love to have everything operating under one system! HELP Jerry Matsick Carl Tuveson <carl@...> wrote: With all of this talk about Locomatic conversions I would like to remind you folks that if you are going to all the trouble of converting why not convert to TMCC? I am not slamming Locomatic but TMCC is better IMHO. I have over 25 S gauge TMCC locos from the Docksider with sounds to the Challenger and several SHS and AM conversions too. Here is my latest, an AM GG-1 with Sounds. http://www.tuveson.com/tmcc-gg1/tmcc-gg1.htm This was a very easy conversion to do as are many. There are three suppliers of TMCC conversion boards. TAS, Digital Dynamics and The Electric RR. The Electric RR Co. also makes a very small TMCC and Conventional sound system very reasonably priced. For more Inormation on TMCC and S Gauge see this kink. http://www.tuveson.com/TMCC/s_gauge_and_tmcc.htm S Gauge and TMCC Neat-O! Carl S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links Jerry Matsick RESPOND TO Mtoytrain@... Jacksonville, Florida TCA 04-57715 NASG --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39242	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 3/3/2006
Subject: Re: American Models GG-1 TMCC and Sound.

TMCC locos look for a TMCC signal. If they don't detect one they revert to Conventional mode and operate just like a plain old reverse units. The Sound systems usually reverts to detecting the DC offset of the track voltage for the horn/whistle and bell too. Glad you like the GG-1. :-) Thanks, Carl --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Lueck" <pianoman@...> wrote: > > Oh YEA Carl, GG1's absolutely rock! As if I didn't have enough reasons to > accept your offer to come visit. ;-) > > On the topic of TMCC, when you do your conversion to TMCC, does the resulting > product work with both traditional power and TMCC control? I remember you said > the layout itself will power either, I just could not remember if TMCC'ized > engines are TMCC only from then on. > > Lionel TMCC equipped engines have a switch to select TMCC or classic, correct? > > Thanks for posting the GG1 details... wow wow wow!!! I'm really going to end up > with a mixed up vintage on my layout. Modeling CK&S around 1915 to 1920 range, > GG1's and Northerns roaring by, Alco RS3 units, Baldwin switchers... ;-) Time > warp for sure! > > Michael >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39243	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 3/3/2006
Subject: Re: American Models GG-1 TMCC and Sound.

I have been considering offering a TMCC conversion service especially now with more products available. Retirement is coming up, maybe then? Won't be making much money at it though, that's for sure. Carl -----Original Message----- From: Jerry Matsick [mailto:jpmatsick@...] Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 3:18 PM To: Carl Tuveson; S-Trains (S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) Subject: Re: [S-Trains] American Models GG-1 TMCC and Sound. Carl and Gang! Carl suggests converting engines to TMCC, that is fine, but who installs them, old codgers like me with bad eyes can't see to install anything. True, I love my Flyynel with TMCC, but I also like my S Helper engines with Locomatic and the Gilbert engines with Locomatic. So my question is: "Who will install TMCC into our engines? THE NUMBER ONE REASON FOR GETTING OUT OF O GAUGE WAS ALL THE DIFFERENT CONTROL SYSTEMS, I would love to have everything operating under one system! HELP Jerry Matsick Carl Tuveson <carl@...> wrote: With all of this talk about Locomatic conversions I would like to remind you folks that if you are going to all the trouble of converting why not convert to TMCC? I am not slamming Locomatic but TMCC is better IMHO. I have over 25 S gauge TMCC locos from the Docksider with sounds to the Challenger and several SHS and AM conversions too. Here is my latest, an AM GG-1 with Sounds. http://www.tuveson.com/tmcc-gg1/tmcc-gg1.htm This was a very easy conversion to do as are many. There are three suppliers of TMCC conversion boards. TAS, Digital Dynamics and The Electric RR. The Electric RR Co. also makes a very small TMCC and Conventional sound system very reasonably priced. For more Inormation on TMCC and S Gauge see this kink. http://www.tuveson.com/TMCC/s_gauge_and_tmcc.htm S Gauge and TMCC Neat-O! Carl S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links Jerry Matsick RESPOND TO Mtoytrain@... Jacksonville, Florida TCA 04-57715 NASG _____ Yahoo! Mail Use <http://pa.yahoo.com/*http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=38867/*http://photomail.mai l.yahoo.com> Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39244	From: Richard Clouse	Date: 3/3/2006
Subject: Re: American Models GG-1 TMCC and Sound.

I have to second Carl's views on TMCC. Another added bonus is that you can adjust momentum and stall speeds among different locomotives and then combine them into lash-ups that can be controlled as a single unit. This is really a fantastic feature, particularly if you have a change of elevation on your layout. My hat is off to you, Carl, however, on converting your Docksider--and with sound no less?!!! I didn't know there was actually room to do that! Carl Tuveson <carl@...> wrote: With all of this talk about Locomatic conversions I would like to remind you folks that if you are going to all the trouble of converting why not convert to TMCC? I am not slamming Locomatic but TMCC is better IMHO. I have over 25 S gauge TMCC locos from the Docksider with sounds to the Challenger and several SHS and AM conversions too. Here is my latest, an AM GG-1 with Sounds. http://www.tuveson.com/tmcc-gg1/tmcc-gg1.htm This was a very easy conversion to do as are many. There are three suppliers of TMCC conversion boards. TAS, Digital Dynamics and The Electric RR. The Electric RR Co. also makes a very small TMCC and Conventional sound system very reasonably priced. For more Inormation on TMCC and S Gauge see this kink. http://www.tuveson.com/TMCC/s_gauge_and_tmcc.htm S Gauge and TMCC Neat-O! Carl S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links CIHIGOYENETCHE, GROSSBERG & CLOUSE Richard R.Clouse | Cihigoyenetche, Grossberg & Clouse | http://www.cgclaw.com 8038 Haven Ave. | Suite E | Rancho Cucamonga, CA 91730 Vox: 909.483.1850 | Fax: 909.483.1840 | E-mail: RiClouse@... - ATTORNEY_CLIENT COMMUNICATION - This communication constitutes an electronic communication within the meaning of the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 USC 2510, and its disclosure is strictly limited to the recipient intended by the sender of this message. This communication contains confidential and privileged material, is protected by the attorney-client and/or the attorney/work product privileges and is for the sole use of the intended recipient and receipt by anyone other than the intended recipient does not constitute a loss of the confidential or privileged nature of the communication. Any review or distribution by others is strictly prohibited. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39245	From: Richard Clouse	Date: 3/3/2006
Subject: Re: American Models GG-1 TMCC and Sound.

Train America Studios have done several engines for me, both diesel and steam. They do a really good job, but there are space limits with regard to the sound conversion. Typically, for instance with a powered/dummy set of diesels, they will put all the sound stuff in the dummy and run a tether to the powered Engine. There is apparently no room, say, in a GP-9 or GP-20 for the speaker. That, of course, will likely change as components continue to shrink; Carl references that he was able to convert his Docksider to include sound--so it must be doable. Open note to Carl: If you ever do start doing conversions as a business, let me know; I'll send you my Docksider as well as my 0-8-0! Jerry Matsick <jpmatsick@...> wrote: Carl and Gang! Carl suggests converting engines to TMCC, that is fine, but who installs them, old codgers like me with bad eyes can't see to install anything. True, I love my Flyynel with TMCC, but I also like my S Helper engines with Locomatic and the Gilbert engines with Locomatic. So my question is: "Who will install TMCC into our engines? THE NUMBER ONE REASON FOR GETTING OUT OF O GAUGE WAS ALL THE DIFFERENT CONTROL SYSTEMS, I would love to have everything operating under one system! HELP Jerry Matsick Carl Tuveson wrote: With all of this talk about Locomatic conversions I would like to remind you folks that if you are going to all the trouble of converting why not convert to TMCC? I am not slamming Locomatic but TMCC is better IMHO. I have over 25 S gauge TMCC locos from the Docksider with sounds to the Challenger and several SHS and AM conversions too. Here is my latest, an AM GG-1 with Sounds. http://www.tuveson.com/tmcc-gg1/tmcc-gg1.htm This was a very easy conversion to do as are many. There are three suppliers of TMCC conversion boards. TAS, Digital Dynamics and The Electric RR. The Electric RR Co. also makes a very small TMCC and Conventional sound system very reasonably priced. For more Inormation on TMCC and S Gauge see this kink. http://www.tuveson.com/TMCC/s_gauge_and_tmcc.htm S Gauge and TMCC Neat-O! Carl S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links Jerry Matsick RESPOND TO Mtoytrain@... Jacksonville, Florida TCA 04-57715 NASG --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links CIHIGOYENETCHE, GROSSBERG & CLOUSE Richard R.Clouse | Cihigoyenetche, Grossberg & Clouse | http://www.cgclaw.com 8038 Haven Ave. | Suite E | Rancho Cucamonga, CA 91730 Vox: 909.483.1850 | Fax: 909.483.1840 | E-mail: RiClouse@... - ATTORNEY_CLIENT COMMUNICATION - This communication constitutes an electronic communication within the meaning of the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 USC 2510, and its disclosure is strictly limited to the recipient intended by the sender of this message. This communication contains confidential and privileged material, is protected by the attorney-client and/or the attorney/work product privileges and is for the sole use of the intended recipient and receipt by anyone other than the intended recipient does not constitute a loss of the confidential or privileged nature of the communication. Any review or distribution by others is strictly prohibited. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39246	From: Phil K	Date: 3/3/2006
Subject: TMCC question

I have four loops, common "ground" to two 30B transformers properly phased. Each of the 30Bs operates two loops. I have my TMCC tied in with the common "ground" so I can run TMCC locomotives (Mikes) on all four loops -- on occasion, two at one time. Question is, sometimes when I go through the shutdown sequence on one locomotive on one loop, then switch to the other Mike on another loop and move the throttle open, the Mike that I just shut down starts creeping forward. No lights, no smoke, can't blow whistle... just starts creeping. If I use the throttle to stop it, the other loco stops, too. Any ideas? Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39247	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 3/3/2006
Subject: Re: TMCC question

Questions.. Do both locos "do the creep" after you shutdown the other? Have you ever run them in a lashup? If only one is on the tracks and you do a shutdown and then address another engine with the Cab-1 and increase the throttle does the shudown engine creep? Carl -----Original Message----- From: Phil K [mailto:waldootten@...] Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 4:23 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] TMCC question I have four loops, common "ground" to two 30B transformers properly phased. Each of the 30Bs operates two loops. I have my TMCC tied in with the common "ground" so I can run TMCC locomotives (Mikes) on all four loops -- on occasion, two at one time. Question is, sometimes when I go through the shutdown sequence on one locomotive on one loop, then switch to the other Mike on another loop and move the throttle open, the Mike that I just shut down starts creeping forward. No lights, no smoke, can't blow whistle... just starts creeping. If I use the throttle to stop it, the other loco stops, too. Any ideas? Phil K S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39248	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 3/3/2006
Subject: Snow is the work of the Devil!

A lady came into the shop with old trains for sale. We went out to her van and brought in a couple of boxes of old American Flyer. One was a Hudson, a broken Atlantic, a bunch of freight cars, and track. The other was a Pony Express set (no boxes.) She said they had belonged to her husband who had recently passed away and hadn't been run since he was a child. Unfortunately he had used "snow" sprayed on everything, which had yellowed and would not come off! There was also white powder on everything. Nothing would run and looked bad due to the damaged paint, so Gary told her he was not interested. She just wanted rid of them, so Gary bought them. Upon spending the next two hours examining the items further, we became even more disgusted as we found no way to remove the "snow" without further damaging the paint! In fact it appears to have actually eaten into the plastic car bodies. The motors and reverse units had ingested enough powder "snow" to bind them up. It looks like these trains will end up in parts stock. I may buy the passenger cars for repaint as they are useless for anything else now. I wonder how many other trains have been ruined by "snow" treatments over the years? Stumpy Stone...wishing this stuff had come in good shape.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39249	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 3/3/2006
Subject: Re: American Models GG-1 TMCC and Sound.

On Fri, 03 Mar 2006 20:28:03 -0000, Carl Tuveson wrote: >TMCC locos look for a TMCC signal. If they don't detect one they >revert to Conventional mode and operate just like a plain old >reverse units. I thought I remembered that... VERY COOL! You know, then I might keep the current 8x8 layout as a classic AF layout powered with transformer cab, and put TMCC on "the big layout" modeling the CK&S for operation sessions, etc... Put both layouts in play - give more people something to do during an op session! And the bonus here, having one classic and one TMCC layout still allows me to put TMCC in everything at not exclude engines from going back to 1950's transformer mode. No more cleaning E Unit contacts with the boards. woo hoo! Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39250	From: Dave Baker	Date: 3/3/2006
Subject: AM Northern

Received mine yesterday. It's a 2920 AC with all sound options. Plenty of power -- now pulling 45 cars around my perimeter loop with the greatest of ease. Sound is terrific, and my train room is well and truly smoked! Hats off to Ron Bashista and American Models... Now, what's next? Dave Baker

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39251	From: NASG Library	Date: 3/3/2006
Subject: S Scale promotion

Ted Larson asked about the price of starter sets in the 1950s vs. income at the time. I have a couple of data points: My first AF set (in 1949) was the Hudson with searchlight car, side-dump hopper car, stock car, and caboose. It retailed for $39.95. I remember two Reading Atlantic sets in the same catalog -- one with three freight cars and one with three New Haven passenger cars. These, I believe, were $29.95 each. My father's income at the time was $400 per month. He had a mid-level non-management job at Texaco headquarters in New York City. So my new train set cost him ten percent of his monthly before-tax income. Inflation has been a factor of about 7 since 1949 (source: Bureau of Labor Statistics). So that Hudson set would be $280 in today's dollars. The Reading sets would be $210. My father's income would be $2800 per month, or $33,600 per year. So I think we're still in the same ballpark. Dick Karnes

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39252	From: A, E, Johnson	Date: 3/4/2006
Subject: Inflation

I tend to get off in some very tangential stuff from time to time. So I am just commenting, not flaming anyone or anything. Dick used an inflation multiplier of seven since 1949 in his email. I believe it is quite a bit higher. Last year I read "Exporting America" by Lou Dobbs. As a result I tried to research inflation indices. It seems to me that every time I looked at the BLS site the methods of calculation changed. I married my wife 45 years ago last month. I also bought a new top of the line Ford Galaxy that year. It listed for right at $3000. My rent was $50 for a really nice second floor apartment in a home in Kansas City. A hair cut cost $1.25 in Kansas City and $0.75 ($1.00 for a flat top) at Snow's in Little Rock. Gasoline was about 26.9 cents/gal. These are my data points. I believe that in 45 years inflation is a factor of 10. Just COMMENTS, no flames. bigfoot [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39253	From: alansherry@comcast.net	Date: 3/4/2006
Subject: Re: S Scale promotion

Hello Dick and all, I enjoyed your post, not so much for the price comparison info although that is always interesting, but because of the sets mentioned. My Dad had just taken a "white collar" position with the Ford Motor Company Seattle District Office for about the salary you mentioned and he used my birth in 1947 as an excuse to buy AF trains. "My" second set was the same Hudson locomotive and cars you describe, also purchased in 1949. The first 1947 set was a 300AC Atlantic set with three cars, the yellow boxcar, the grey hopper car and the caboose. He later added a set of green heavyweights to pull behind the Hudson. The third and final set he bought before actually turning the trains over to me was the Comet passenger set. I still have them all. Thanks for the memories. Alan Bennett Keizer, OR -------------- Original message -------------- From: NASG Library <nasglibrary@...> > Ted Larson asked about the price of starter sets in the 1950s vs. income > at the time. I have a couple of data points: > > My first AF set (in 1949) was the Hudson with searchlight car, side-dump > hopper car, stock car, and caboose. It retailed for $39.95. I remember > two Reading Atlantic sets in the same catalog -- one with three freight > cars and one with three New Haven passenger cars. These, I believe, > were $29.95 each. My father's income at the time was $400 per month. > He had a mid-level non-management job at Texaco headquarters in New York > City. So my new train set cost him ten percent of his monthly > before-tax income. > > Inflation has been a factor of about 7 since 1949 (source: Bureau of > Labor Statistics). So that Hudson set would be $280 in today's > dollars. The Reading sets would be $210. My father's income would be > $2800 per month, or $33,600 per year. So I think we're still in the > same ballpark. > > Dick Karnes [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39254	From: Rick Evans	Date: 3/4/2006
Subject: inflation

****((((Inflation has been a factor of about 7 since 1949 (source: Bureau of Labor Statistics). So that Hudson set would be $280 in today's dollars. The Reading sets would be $210. My father's income would be $2800 per month, or $33,600 per year. So I think we're still in the same ballpark.)))***** Inflation numbers always confuse me!! I seem to remember someone on the list stating that if parents spent $50 on a train set in the 50's, it would be close to $400 today. Man, I spoil my daughter, but she has never gotten a $400 Christmas gift from me! Well, close.....I did buy her a $300 bike for an early birthday present Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39255	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 3/4/2006
Subject: Your assistance is requested

I have setup a page that allows you to submit links. http://s-scale.org/links/link.php The categories are: Personal Website Group Website Scenery Electronics Software Track Fine Scale Trains AF & Compatible (used) AF & Compatible (new) Structures Decals If you choose a category, you can now click on the 'Submit a Link' ( I am asking that you submit your link, AND your favorite links. I spent a half hour this morning and added about eight sites.) All you need to type in (or paste in) is Title, URL, Description, and Email (the contact email for that site) Lets support the folks that provide S-related information, and products. Paul Yorke [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39256	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 3/4/2006
Subject: SIT - bellows

Somewhere I am sure I have seen some mention of keeping the bellows in the 1946 smoke in tender units flexible and sealed by coating them with rubber solution or something similar? Any help on this please? Alistair

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39257	From: Sam and Judy Williamson	Date: 3/4/2006
Subject: Re: Inflation

Go to http://www.westegg.com/inflation The figures are pretty close. Sam W. ----- Original Message ----- From: "A, E, Johnson" <bigfoot@...> To: "S-List" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2006 8:36 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Inflation >I tend to get off in some very tangential stuff from time to time. So I am >just commenting, not flaming anyone or anything. > > Dick used an inflation multiplier of seven since 1949 in his email. I > believe it is quite a bit higher. > > Last year I read "Exporting America" by Lou Dobbs. As a result I tried to > research inflation indices. It seems to me that every time I looked at the > BLS site the methods of calculation changed. I married my wife 45 years > ago last month. I also bought a new top of the line Ford Galaxy that year. > It listed for right at $3000. My rent was $50 for a really nice second > floor apartment in a home in Kansas City. A hair cut cost $1.25 in Kansas > City and $0.75 ($1.00 for a flat top) at Snow's in Little Rock. Gasoline > was about 26.9 cents/gal. These are my data points. I believe that in 45 > years inflation is a factor of 10. > > Just COMMENTS, no flames. > > bigfoot > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39258	From: beebear	Date: 3/4/2006
Subject: Baldwin Parts

Hi All Well ..... I got the parts .... at least some of them..... that I ordered for my Baldwin's from Lionel. I ordered 10 pick-ups with springs and e-clips and only got 4 of the e-clips, pick-ups but I got 8 springs. The pick-ups are a silver color instead of the bronze color. I also got the 10 traction tires I ordered. So I guess that is all I'm going to get from them. I may give them a call next week and see where the other 6 are. John Frankforther [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39259	From: beebear	Date: 3/4/2006
Subject: Baldwin Parts Prices

I forgot to mention that the prices that I was quoted on their web site are more than the actual price I originally ordered 10 pick-ups, 10 e-clips, 10 springs and 10 traction tires at 50 cents each The billed price for pick-ups and springs was 50 cents each, traction tires 40 cents each and e-clips 5 cents each. Also the packing slip was from of Philadelphia, PA but the shipping label was for Chesterfield MI [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39260	From: muniman18	Date: 3/4/2006
Subject: first set

Alan thx for that insight. that was my brothers and my first set.we got teased from the "Lionel"crowd abt the white wall wheels.in abt3-4 years we had a layout that was awsome. it was a great time. Mike

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39261	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 3/4/2006
Subject: AM Northern

----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Baker" <dbaker221@...> Received mine yesterday. It's a 2920 AC with all sound options. Plenty of power . . . . . . . . . > > > > > > > > > ---------Response---------- I just got back from American Models, picked up some of the Northerns I had ordered. Ron mentioned that some of the first had gone out with the tender trucks oiled, contrary to his instructions to the builder. The tender trucks should be lightly greased but not oiled. If you note excess oil on the tender trucks on yours, try to clean it off. I also got to try American Models' new AC transformer with built-in whistle and bell buttons. It seemed to work quite well and has lots of reserve power. It starts out at a much lower voltage than the old AF transformers. The regular list price is about $100, but they have an introductry sale going on them now. It's on their web site, I think. Also, if you have sent e-mail to American Models using info at etc and it's been rejected, try info1 at etc Tom Hawley

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39262	From: Gerald Dobbs	Date: 3/4/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2976

Subject: SIT - bellows Alistair: Use "Armor All" available at auto supply stores, if the bellows is just starting to fail and/or to protect it. If it is badly damaged, coat it with a layer of "Mountains in minutes" latex rubber available at a hobby shop. This may help not having to replace the bellows. Jerry 77-11644 Message: 21 Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2006 06:54:11 -0000 From: "Alistair McAllister" <alizoo@...> Subject: SIT - bellows Somewhere I am sure I have seen some mention of keeping the bellows in the 1946 smoke in tender units flexible and sealed by coating them with rubber solution or something similar? Any help on this please? Alistair

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39263	From: Gary Chudzinski	Date: 3/4/2006
Subject: ebay: AF Commemorative Hopper Car

All-- I have an AF 1991 NASG Commemorative CVD Hopper Car for sale on Ebay, Item # 6040608764. Take a look at: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6040608764&ssPageName=ADME:L:DS:US:8 Gary Chudzinski chudgr@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39264	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 3/4/2006
Subject: Sunday Chat, 3/5/2006, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 39265	From: Robert Graves	Date: 3/4/2006
Subject: Visiting San Francisco area week after next

I'll be in San Mateo for a class from March 13-17 and visiting my sister in Pleasant Hill for a few days after that. I see two group members on the frappr map. Will either of you be in town and interested in getting together? Are there any other members that haven't put themselves on the map yet? Can anyone point me to some intereSting things to do in the area? S-friendly shops or museums? I think I remember a show up there somewhere - I'll search the archives this weekend. Maybe some of us could get together there? And can someone direct me to any 1:1 scale railroad yards or museums in the area? I'm hoping to get down to the narrow gauge line in the big trees near Santa Cruz. Looking forward to a great trip! Bob --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39266	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 3/4/2006
Subject: Locos on Pikemaster track

As we all know, most of Lionel's postwar O gauge stuff would run around the curves of their 027 track. LGB makes all of their production locos run around their standard set track curves. I have seen pictures of the Casey Jones, the Atlantic, the Docksider, and I think the Baldwin diesel running on Pikemaster track. I know that my Pacifics also will go around Pikemaster 15" radius curves. What other locos, steam or diesel, will go around Pikemaster curves and through the switches? I imagine that the handcar, the Franklin, and the 0-6-0 switcher will make it, but what about the 0-8-0 switcher, the K-5, the Hudson, the 4-8-4, and the various diesels? I'm not concerned how bad they look of course, just if they would go around the 15" radius curves of the Pikemaster track. Stumpy Stone...inquiring minds want to know in Appalachia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39267	From: Don Thompson	Date: 3/5/2006
Subject: Re: Locos on Pikemaster track

Dear Stumpy, I know our switchers will go around the pikemaster curves and switches as we have had reports from several customers. Don Stumpy Stone wrote: >...What other locos, steam or diesel, will go around Pikemaster curves >and through the switches? > Stumpy Stone...inquiring minds want to know in Appalachia. > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39268	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 3/5/2006
Subject: Re: Locos on Pikemaster track

Stumpy, My experience has been that the Pacifics and larger WILL NOT run on Pikemaster Track without the front (pilot) wheels running OFF of the track. Jim Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39269	From: David Dewey	Date: 3/5/2006
Subject: SIT Bellows

Hi all, I would never recomend using Armor -All on the bellows material--actually, I wouldn't recommend it on anything, as it contains a lot of silicone. In the case of the bellows, it iwll concentrate the stress to single points, and fail them. Coating them with something, like a rubberizing product will seal the holes for a while, but also adds thickness and stiffness to the material. New bellows material causes less stress on the motor, and will really make the unit smoke lots. It's a bit of work, but the results are amazing. S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39270	From: Robert Graves	Date: 3/5/2006
Subject: Re: Stopping an A-B-A w/ a 761 Semaphore

I ran into that issue in adding semaphores to my layout, too. http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/semaphores.html You are talking about the case where you have two or more powered units. Some people have solved this by wiring all powered units together and using the power pickups on only the front unit. But the problem is more generic than that. It exists even when you have only one powered unit. The issue is where the power pickups are located. Unfortunately, engines aren't consistent. The obvious example is that the Northern is longer than the Docksider. You'll never get them to stop at the same spot relative to the semaphore. But even more than that, some engines have the right side pickup on the forward wheelset and the left on the rear wheelset; others reverse that. Engines are going to stop all over the place and your controlled dead zone has to be long enough to catch and stop the longest spread between power pickups. Michael Lueck <pianoman@...> wrote: Planning ahead, I assume an A-B-A is the longest AF power out there, yes? Stopping such with a 761 semaphore, does the first engine stall, the back engine pushes until it too enters the isolated block? Pulling long enough of a train that the second engine can not push/pull cause issues? (Not to mention the lead engine with stalled wheels is harder to push). Just figure I would wire with the longest engine in mind, easier than changing later. 761 will have to go at the far end of the isolation section I think. Shorter engines thus stop further from it. If the 761 was close to the beginning of the isolation section, the longer engines might be past the 761 while stopped... would not look quite right. Anyway... LUNCH! Michael S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39271	From: Ed	Date: 3/5/2006
Subject: Re: Locos on Pikemaster track

Hi Stumpy: As I have said before, I have run a Pikemaster layout for 20 + years now I have run the Casey Jones, Atlantic's, Pacific's, GM Diesel, 0-6-0, 0-8-0, Franklin, Docksider, and the SHS SW-! & SW-9 without major problems. I do not race my engines around the track, never have as a kid and still don't today.The key to running on Pikemaster is keeping the track hard mounted, level and smooth at the joints. Also keeping your engine up to snuff. I have also run these same engines on All Aboard sets as well.The engines that I did encounter trouble were the AM Diesels running through the switches and if I recall somebody even had a modification for the Pikemaster switches. I don't know if they were on the list with that resolution. I have never attempted the 4-8-4, K5 or the Hudson. When I was young, I had the 3 rail trains and in comparison, I have had fewer problems with my S gauge operations. I have been operating S for the last 30+ yrs including S floor operations. Ed -------Original Message------- From: Stumpy Stone Date: 03/04/06 22:03:32 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Locos on Pikemaster track As we all know, most of Lionel's postwar O gauge stuff would run around the curves of their 027 track. LGB makes all of their production locos run around their standard set track curves. I have seen pictures of the Casey Jones, the Atlantic, the Docksider, and I think the Baldwin diesel running on Pikemaster track. I know that my Pacifics also will go around Pikemaster 15" radius curves. What other locos, steam or diesel, will go around Pikemaster curves and through the switches? I imagine that the handcar, the Franklin, and the 0-6-0 switcher will make it, but what about the 0-8-0 switcher, the K-5, the Hudson, the 4-8-4, and the various diesels? I'm not concerned how bad they look of course, just if they would go around the 15" radius curves of the Pikemaster track. Stumpy Stone...inquiring minds want to know in Appalachia. S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39272	From: charlie and edith	Date: 3/5/2006
Subject: 290 question

Greetings! Back to work on the 290 .... have redone the smoke unit and added a "fifth wire". I brought a wire from the back rivet to the smoke unit and removed one of the brush to smoke unit wires. I now have lots of smoke and a headlight in reverse but not in forward. The engine runs well in either direction. What can I do to fix this? Your thoughts will be greatly appreciated! Thanks and best wishes, Charlie [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39273	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 3/5/2006
Subject: Sunday Chat, 3/5/2006, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 39274	From: nyc17819@aol.com	Date: 3/5/2006
Subject: Re: Pikemaster Curves

Stumpy asked what could run around Pikemaster curves... I've seen my friend run his #336 4-8-4 on a Pikemaster layout, but he had to remove some mountains and reinforce the grade crossing to do it. As long as the track is well-supported and there are no clearance restrictions, the #336 should do fine. Some other 4-8-4's (such as the 332) may have the tender closer to the engine, and this could pose a problem. Chris Harding

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39275	From: Mike	Date: 3/5/2006
Subject: K-Line going under

I just recieved this e-mail when I contacted the server for the K-line website. It's a shame really, as they had some very affordable products. Hello, The status of the K-Line web site is uncertain at this time. I have provided the hosting and maintenance services for the site for several years. Beginning in January of 2006, attempts to contact the company via email were no longer successful. Payment for hosting services was not received in February and calls to the company went unanswered. I am aware that the company went into bankruptcy last year, but they never indicated that they wanted the site shut down or were going to discontinue paying for the service. However, I cannot continue to pay for the bandwidth and server space without compensation from K-Line. Since I have been unable to contact anyone at the company, I have disabled the site for the present time. The site can be restored, but without any guidance from K-Line, I don't feel I have much of a choice at this point. I will retain your email for now and will send you another reply message should I get a response from K-Line regarding their plans for the future. Ken Eck BP Design & Development, Inc. 19791 Wendigo Rd. Grand Rapids, MN 55744 www.caretrak-outcomes.com <http://www.caretrak-outcomes.com> keck@... <mailto:keck@...> Office Phone: 218-327-8680 ext. 294 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39276	From: Lew Morris	Date: 3/5/2006
Subject: A Competent Repair Shop ...

Hi all, I'm a new member and this is my first post. My engines (a 283, a 312, and a trusty old Docksider) have become a bit long-in-the-tooth performance-wise and I'm looking for a referral from someone who has 'first-hand' experience with a repair shop that can refurb AF steam loco motors. I've recently tried two 'repairmen' with less than happy results. I'm not hard to please but when equipment comes back with big globs of solder on connections, and oily fingerprints all over everything, you know that the technician was a little less than what you had hoped for. I don't mind paying top$ as long as I'm happy with the results, and I don't care where the shop is; UPS delivers to my door. Thanks, Lew Morris

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39278	From: Phil K	Date: 3/5/2006
Subject: Re: A Competent Repair Shop ...

Welcome! Where do you live? This forum has members of S gauge clubs all over the country, and those clubs have members that know how to properly repair vintage American Flyer. This board also has as members all of the significant AF parts dealers in the nation, too. Sounds like what your locomotives mainly need is some TLC -- and a good cleaning and tuneup. Someone here will be more than happy to get them back in service for you. Phil K ********************************************************************* --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Lew Morris" <lewmoco1131@...> wrote: > > Hi all, > > I'm a new member and this is my first post. > > My engines (a 283, a 312, and a trusty old Docksider) have become a > bit long-in-the-tooth performance-wise and I'm looking for a referral > from someone who has 'first-hand' experience with a repair shop that > can refurb AF steam loco motors. > > I've recently tried two 'repairmen' with less than happy results. > I'm not hard to please but when equipment comes back with big globs > of solder on connections, and oily fingerprints all over everything, > you know that the technician was a little less than what you had > hoped for. > > I don't mind paying top$ as long as I'm happy with the results, and I > don't care where the shop is; UPS delivers to my door. > > Thanks, > > Lew Morris >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39279	From: Mike	Date: 3/5/2006
Subject: Different Train Lines

Ok, I purchased a 21085 AF 4-6-2 CNW locomotive, and I want to get the right cars for a nice set. I already purchased a CNW hopper, but I notice on the tank cars that they don't usually go by what road the train is on. It seems just box cars, reefers and hoppers are paired with the locomotive. Is this correct? If this is so, then how did the Reading 21160 set I had as a kid end up with a Illinois Central reefer? Can someone please explain how this works?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39280	From: Robert Graves	Date: 3/5/2006
Subject: Re: Different Train Lines

Funny you should ask. My Dad was a well-known tank car designer with General American (GATX) and I worked there a couple of summers. Tank cars, at least in the 1950s and 1960s, were usually leased. Most of those that were sold went to the shippers like Shell and Gulf. They were rarely sold to railroads. That's why you see so many cars with the GATX (General American) or SHPX (Shipper's) or UTLX (Union Tank Car) lettering. All three companies built tank cars and had huge leasing fleets. Mike <shorebird05@...> wrote: Ok, I purchased a 21085 AF 4-6-2 CNW locomotive, and I want to get the right cars for a nice set. I already purchased a CNW hopper, but I notice on the tank cars that they don't usually go by what road the train is on. It seems just box cars, reefers and hoppers are paired with the locomotive. Is this correct? If this is so, then how did the Reading 21160 set I had as a kid end up with a Illinois Central reefer? Can someone please explain how this works? S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39281	From: Rick Evans	Date: 3/5/2006
Subject: Re: 290 question

***(((( Back to work on the 290 .... have redone the smoke unit and added a "fifth wire". I brought a wire from the back rivet to the smoke unit and removed one of the brush to smoke unit wires. I now have lots of smoke and a headlight in reverse but not in forward. The engine runs well in either direction. What can I do to fix this? Your thoughts will be greatly appreciated! )))**** My 282 was worked on quite a while back, headlight only works in "forward". I hope to rewire myself. See if this helps Charlie: http://s-scale.org/albums/d/123-2/steamwiring.jpg Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39282	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 3/6/2006
Subject: Re;Different train lines

Usually sets would have a variety of cars of different road names behind the locomotive just as you would see in the real world. Depending on the set you are trying to duplicate, just about any of the common American Flyer cars could have been in the set, even an American Flyer lines caboose I suspect. To get the "correct" cars for your loco, you'll have to look up the right era catalogs for your loco online. Although I'm sure that several of the folks on this list can tell you from memory just what you might need. This is a sharp bunch. Stumpy Stone...it's snowing in Appalachia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39283	From: Robert Graves	Date: 3/6/2006
Subject: Re: Re;Different train lines

The question is whether you want to duplicate a set that Gilbert sold, or to create a train for a specific rail line. If you want a Gilbert set, anyone that has the Set Searcher software or Bob Tufts book could help you a lot quicker than searching the catalogs. Me for example. Or you might buy them yourself if you'd make enough use of them to make it worthwhile. I bought my book from Doug at Portlines. Some day, you'll be able to look at the Gilbert Gallery online and see all the sets. Right now, all the sets pulled by the 283 Pacific are there, as well as a couple of other sets. http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/freight_trains.html Stumpy Stone <mrstumpy@...> wrote: Usually sets would have a variety of cars of different road names behind the locomotive just as you would see in the real world. Depending on the set you are trying to duplicate, just about any of the common American Flyer cars could have been in the set, even an American Flyer lines caboose I suspect. To get the "correct" cars for your loco, you'll have to look up the right era catalogs for your loco online. Although I'm sure that several of the folks on this list can tell you from memory just what you might need. This is a sharp bunch. Stumpy Stone...it's snowing in Appalachia. S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39284	From: Scott Holm	Date: 3/6/2006
Subject: Re: 290 question

"Back to work on the 290 .... have redone the smoke unit and added a "fifth wire". I brought a wire from the back rivet to the smoke unit and removed one of the brush to smoke unit wires. I now have lots of smoke and a headlight in reverse but not in forward. The engine runs well in either direction. What can I do to fix this?" The wire from brush to smoke unit that should be disconnected is the one from the brush that is not directly wired to the front rivet. It could also be a matter of reversing the 4-wire plug, if your engine has one. --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39286	From: Gregg Mummert	Date: 3/6/2006
Subject: Re: Flyonel SF B Unit w/ Railsounds

Remember this? I just got my SF B unit back from "L." Carl was right. "L" adjusted the "cherry switch" so it doesn't apply as much pressure against the cam. It still does not roll very well but a single PA (dual motor) is now able to pull it now. I have not added any passenger cars yet - the true test! Gregg Mummert >Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Flyonel SF B Unit w/ Railsounds >I checked with a local "L" service center and they have not received any >bulletins from "L" on the B unit. I suspect it is on the axle with the cam >that is dragging. > >Anyway, I gave up and requested a return authorization from "L" to return >it to them for repair since none of the local shops will have any S track >or engines. > >I just dug my receipt out and was surprised that I had received this in >March of last year - thought it was later than that. If anyone else has >not tested or has the same problem, you may want to take some action soon >before the warranty runs out. > >I will let you know what "L" tells me or does to the unit. > >Gregg > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39287	From: Ed Eckert	Date: 3/6/2006
Subject: 7th Annual Flyer Fest West

The Golden gate American Flyer Club presents the 7th annual Flyer Fest West, Friday thru Sunday, May 19th to the 21st,2006 at the Marriott Hotel (510-413-3700) in Fremont California. This is the largest S gauge Event west of The Rockies. Activities will include: • Friday Night No Host Bar Get Together starting at 8pm • Saturday: Doors open at 7am for unloading • Saturday: Meet doors open at 10 am • Saturday: Clinics starting at 11am, Train races in the afternoon. • Saturday night banquet • Saturday: the Newpark Mall is just 2miles away for the ladies to shop if they like and 5 miles South is The Great Mall. • Sunday: Layout Tours, Niles Canyon Railway ( available at additional cost), Ardenwood Farms where the only Carter Brothers Horse Drawn Railway left in existence ( additional cost). That weekend at Ardenwood will also have the Mechanical Music Box members with there Boxes on display in the old mansion per David Dewey, Niles Canyon Antique Shops, Wineries in The East Foothills to Livermore. Tables will be $15.00 for a 6' X 30" and $10.00 for a half table. Room rates are$74.00 (you must request the Flyer Fest West rate) Quad occupancy. For more information contact Don Matthies, meet chairman at NORCALTT@... or me, Ed Eckert, 408-263-2482, ejenterp@.... Anybody that needs an application and flyer emailed, just email me with your email address.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39288	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 3/6/2006
Subject: SELLING EXTRAS

I JUST NOTICED WHERE STOUTS SOLD A #50 LIONEL PUNCH OUT SET FOR 750.00...HAVE 2.....ONLY NEED 1.. AND NOT REALLY HAVING A LOT OF TIME DUE TO WORK AND REALLY DON'T WANT TO MESS WITH EBAY...... MY QUESTION...HAS ANYBODY EVER HAD ANY EXPERIENCES SELLING THRU THESE TYPE COMPANYS....... I AM THINKING OF DUPLICATES, AND OTHER ITEMS I REALLY DON'T NEED ( 2 CIRCUS SETS IN THE BOX WITH PUNCHOUTS ) ETC...... I KNOW THEY HAVE A 17% BUYERS FEE..... WHAT OTHER FEES? BOB ( SORRY FOR THE CAPS.....ALL MY WORK IS DONE THIS WAY.... HABIT )

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39289	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 3/6/2006
Subject: Re: CTT&AF BIG STEAMERS

This months CTT has on page 40 an article on servicing AF 4-8-4 steamers for those so inclined. Mike ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39290	From: G C	Date: 3/6/2006
Subject: Re: 290 question

Sorry meant to send this to everyone, While we are on the subject, does anyone know the prototype for the 290. I really like the look of the feedwater heater high up front. Thanks to all, Gene Cimino --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39291	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 3/6/2006
Subject: SELLING STUFF

FIRST OFF, BEING AN ARCHITECT I HAVE TO TYPE IN ALL CAPS...... ergo habit...... EASIER IN THE FIELD..... I am trying ebay now on 3 items...... one has met the reserve and the other 2 have no bids they are 24566 cars.... " chisf-pile-it " . I have also seen some rediculous prices lately...... some so low and some so very high...... .... I listed 18 items last week...... all were bounced because I said I would take mo, checks, or CASH..... CASH is a no no...... I was thinking it might be best to let someone else handle it...... maybe you all are right....... I need room in my home..... I want to fix it up like we had wanted to do...... tired of having all the rooms full....... Bob here is a link to the 50 set http://cgi.liveauctions.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1,1&item=6605960666&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT Bild a set was much nicer...... these were during the war.....

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39292	From: clayton deich	Date: 3/6/2006
Subject: Re: 290 question

Hi I sent this out once before so look at the attached file on the five wire setup. The attached draft is in my hand so I hope you can all read it. Clayton --- Scott Holm <imsscott@...> wrote: > "Back to work on the 290 .... have redone the smoke > unit and added a "fifth wire". I brought a wire from > the back rivet to the smoke unit and removed one of > the brush to smoke unit wires. I now have lots of > smoke and a headlight in reverse but not in forward. > The engine runs well in either direction. What can I > do to fix this?" > > The wire from brush to smoke unit that should be > disconnected is the one from the brush that is not > directly wired to the front rivet. It could also be > a matter of reversing the 4-wire plug, if your > engine has one. > > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Mail > Use Photomail to share photos without annoying > attachments. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39293	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 3/6/2006
Subject: Re: BELLOWS VS PISTONS

I saw a post for bellows repair here a few days ago. Has anyone bought a piston smoke & chuff unit to replace the bellows? I have seen the replacements for about $40 shipping. Mike ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39294	From: Ironhorse	Date: 3/7/2006
Subject: Re: SELLING STUFF

ROBERT ALLEN CONNER wrote: >because I said I would take mo, checks, or CASH..... CASH is a no no...... > > Money Orders will never bounce because the payment was made to the bank or post office. I can understand not taking personel checks, they can bounce. I can understand cash being a NO NO if one suspects there may be germs on the bills. Other than that I don't have aproblem with the green stuff. I don't use paypal because there have problems with that system now and then.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39295	From: Roy Inman	Date: 3/7/2006
Subject: Re: SELLING STUFF

I assume you mean that you will take cash IN PERSON? Anyone I have ever talked with at the USPS says to never, ever send cash via the mail. And just FYI, I wanted to purchase some software online a while back. Not seeing a physical address to send payment, I called on the 800#. Told the gal on the phone I wanted to send a money order. "Fine, she said, "but we will have to wait three weeks to ship." I asked why and she replied "Because we have had bogus money orders that looked so real even the bank could not tell the difference." Apparently the same technology that lets us make instant images with our digital cameras and beautiful prints on our Epsons also allows forgers to make exact copies. Of anything. Roy I > From: Ironhorse <cofa@...> > Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2006 00:06:40 -0500 > To: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER <rcon7@...> > Cc: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] SELLING STUFF > > ROBERT ALLEN CONNER wrote: > >> because I said I would take mo, checks, or CASH..... CASH is a no no...... >> >> > Money Orders will never bounce because the payment was made to the bank > or post office. > I can understand not taking personel checks, they can bounce. > I can understand cash being a NO NO if one suspects there may be germs > on the bills. > Other than that I don't have aproblem with the green stuff. > I don't use paypal because there have problems with that system now and > then. > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39296	From: Jim Ensign	Date: 3/7/2006
Subject: Cement vs. Grain covered hoppers

Good Morning All - Can someone tell me the difference between the AF covered hoppers for grain and the AF covered hoppers for cement I see advertised on e-bay? I've seen them lined up at the cement plants and grain elevators in the real world, but to my un-trained eye, they look the same. The pictures of American Flyer stuff look the same as well. Are there differences or is it just inaccurate advertising? Jim E.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39297	From: Gerald Dobbs	Date: 3/7/2006
Subject: Re: [Strains] Digest Number 2979

"David Dewey" Writes Message: 3 Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 14:30:55 -0800 From: "David Dewey" <drew@concrete> Subject: SIT Bellows Hi all, I would never recommend using Armor -All on the bellows material--actually, I wouldn't recommend it on anything, as it contains a lot of silicone. In the case of the bellows, it will concentrate the stress to single points, and fail them. Coating them with something, like a rubberizing product will seal the holes for a while, but also adds thickness and stiffness to the material. New bellows material causes less stress on the motor, and will really make the unit smoke lots. It's a bit of work, but the results are amazing. S' David D. David: I agree that replacement of bellows material is the best. I have 22 SNT locomotives and really don't want to spend the time on replacing all the bellows. A quick fix will extend the life of some bellows for years, and allow me to fix at my convenience the bellows with complete failure Jerry 77-11644

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39298	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 3/7/2006
Subject: More new S-Scale.org Stuff

I am working on moving the FAQs (Frequently asked questions), to a more dynamic (easier to update and interact with) location. Please take a look at http://s-scale.org/faq/ I would love to add all the old questions to this site, and some new ones too. Always new questions about new products. This tool provides all kinds of options. The answers can be self contained, include links to other sites, include visitor comments, etc. This brings us lots of flexibility. What I need is your help, not money, but questions and some answers. If you can type in some of your favorite questions, this would be great. If you would like to assist on the answering end, please email me and I will set u up with some admin privs, so you can help. There are lots of questions and answers over on the s-trains site http://S-Trains.com/FAQ/FAQ.htm but this new page will be better organized and easier to update and search. OTHER NEWS: Thanks to those of you who submitted links, I have updated that page. I added some more links, but if you have a business and would like your link on 'new flyer', 'used flyer', 'flyer parts' and some other category, you will want to submit it on your own, I only added it once (if at all). That link page is the target of the 'LINKS' menu item over on S-Trains.com, so i expect it will get lots of traffic. To add your link visit http://S-Scale.org/links/ Don't forget to add your Photo Album link. Paul [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39299	From: Gary Chidester	Date: 3/7/2006
Subject: Ebay Advice?

I am looking to sell some of my duplicate Flyer inventory and was wondering if those of you that have used eBay also have a particular day and time that you prefer to have your auctions end. I understand the nature of this post and replies may be made off list. Do you have reasons for your preferences or just gut feelings? gary

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39300	From: Jay E. Mellon	Date: 3/7/2006
Subject: Thanks from Crescent City S Gaugers for Donations

All, The Crescent City S Gaugers wish to convey their heartfelt THANK YOU for donations received in an effort to rebuild display modules destroyed during the "Katrina" flooding in New Orleans. The following individuals and S clubs are acknowledged for their generous monetary donations: Atlantic Coast S Gaugers, Carolina Division (Eugene Sankowski) Bay Area S Scalers South Jersey S Gaugers (Wally Collins) Allen Evans The following individuals, dealers, and manufacturers are acknowledged for their generous material donations: American Models (Ron Bashista) - flex track and rolling stock B.T.S. (Billy and Diane Wade) - structure kits DesPlaines Valley S Scalers (Sam McCoy) - Banta structure kit Ed Loizeaux - miscellaneous scenery items Michigan Models (Tom Hawley) - flex track Pine Canyon Models (Keith) - structure kits S Helper Service (Don and Robin Thompson) - flex track and rolling stock Tom's Turnouts (Tom Stoltz) - discount on turnouts Thank you again and if I have forgotten anyone, it was not intentional. More formal thanks will be sent at a later date. A rebuild update: Last weekend, a work session was conducted. The framework was finished and track/turnouts layed on the first module to be rebuilt. Next, electrical and scenery will be done. Four more modules to complete this year. Also, I have begun construction on a structure kit (freight shed). CCSG got hit hard, but we will come back, stronger than before "Katrina" (like an oak). Take care and thanks for your support. 'S'incerely, Jay Mellon Coordinator, Crescent City S Gaugers New Orleans, LA

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39301	From: Charles E. Smith	Date: 3/7/2006
Subject: Re: 290 question

Prototype was a New Haven pacific. It carried air tanks high on the boiler which AC did not reproduce. There are pictures on the web. Chuck Smith, On matters of style swim with the current. On matters of substance stand like a rock. Thos. Jefferson (may be paraphrased) ----- Original Message ----- From: "G C" <ecphora123@...> To: "charlie and edith" <charlieandedith@...>; <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 7:48 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 290 question > Sorry meant to send this to everyone, > > While we are on the subject, does anyone know the prototype for the 290. I really like the look of the feedwater heater high up front. > > Thanks to all, > > Gene Cimino > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Mail > Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39302	From: Rick Evans	Date: 3/7/2006
Subject: Plasticville

Is Plasticville in-between "S" and "O",.......or closer to "O" then "S" ? Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39303	From: G C	Date: 3/7/2006
Subject: Re: 290 question

Thanks Chuck, I tried to google the answer and gave up. I will look for the pics on the web. GC --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39304	From: Phil K	Date: 3/7/2006
Subject: Re: SELLING STUFF

> Money Orders will never bounce because the payment was made to the bank or post office. < Bad news. The people at my bank said it is possible to stop payment on a money order, just like on a regular check. Same thing with a cashier's check, which I always thought was just as good as cash. You need to have a good reason to stop payment on money orders and cashier's checks, but it can be done. Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39305	From: Phil K	Date: 3/7/2006
Subject: Cheap but efficient bellows material

I have successfully replaced at least a half dozen SIT bellows units using carefully-cut pieces from an old umbrella. One umbrella will fix a ton of bellows. Phil K ********************************************************** --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Gerald Dobbs <grdobbs@...> wrote: > > "David Dewey" Writes > > Message: 3 > Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 14:30:55 -0800 > From: "David Dewey" <drew@concrete> > Subject: SIT Bellows > > Hi all, > I would never recommend using Armor -All on the bellows > material--actually, > I wouldn't recommend it on anything, as it contains a lot of silicone. In > > the case of the bellows, it will concentrate the stress to single points, > > and fail them. Coating them with something, like a rubberizing product > will > seal the holes for a while, but also adds thickness and stiffness to the > material. New bellows material causes less stress on the motor, and will > really make the unit smoke lots. It's a bit of work, but the results are > > amazing. > S' > David D. > > David: > I agree that replacement of bellows material is the > best. I have 22 SNT locomotives and really don't want to spend the time > on replacing all the bellows. A quick fix will extend the life of some > bellows for years, and allow me to fix at my convenience the bellows > with complete failure > > Jerry 77-11644 >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39306	From: frank emiro	Date: 3/7/2006
Subject: Fwd: Re: [S-Trains] 290 question

It is a New Haven I-4. Try looking up The NH Historical Society in Conn., Maybe some one can get you their web site....... Note: forwarded message attached. --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39307	From: manderman	Date: 3/7/2006
Subject: Re: Cheap but efficient bellows material

I had a group of people comming to view my layout this past Christmas and my 322 SIT decided to give up smoking... I replaced the bellows with a section cut from a pair of new Playtex gloves. Needless to say my wife was not pleased when she went to clean the oven... Mark I have successfully replaced at least a half dozen SIT bellows units using carefully-cut pieces from an old umbrella. One umbrella will fix a ton of bellows. Phil K ********************************************************** --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Gerald Dobbs <grdobbs@...> wrote: > > "David Dewey" Writes > > Message: 3 > Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 14:30:55 -0800 > From: "David Dewey" <drew@concrete> > Subject: SIT Bellows > > Hi all, > I would never recommend using Armor -All on the bellows > material--actually, > I wouldn't recommend it on anything, as it contains a lot >of silicone. In > > the case of the bellows, it will concentrate the stress >to single points, > > and fail them. Coating them with something, like a >rubberizing product > will > seal the holes for a while, but also adds thickness and >stiffness to the > material. New bellows material causes less stress on the >motor, and will > really make the unit smoke lots. It's a bit of work, but >the results are > > amazing. > S' > David D. > > David: > I agree that replacement of bellows >material is the > best. I have 22 SNT locomotives and really don't want to >spend the time > on replacing all the bellows. A quick fix will extend the >life of some > bellows for years, and allow me to fix at my convenience > the bellows > with complete failure > > Jerry 77-11644 > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39308	From: keefer1	Date: 3/7/2006
Subject: Re: SELLING STUFF

Even worse news , our local small town P.O had over 30k in counterfeit m.o's in one month. (yes postal money orders) --- Phil K <waldootten@...> wrote: > > Money Orders will never bounce because the payment > was made to the > bank or post office. < > > Bad news. The people at my bank said it is possible > to stop payment on > a money order, just like on a regular check. Same > thing with a > cashier's check, which I always thought was just as > good as cash. You > need to have a good reason to stop payment on money > orders and > cashier's checks, but it can be done. > > Phil K > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39309	From: northline@comcast.net	Date: 3/7/2006
Subject: Re: Ebay Advice?

Gary: I usually have better results when I have them end on saturday or sunday evening. I am on the west coast so I figure about 7:30 here and about 10:30 back east. Most of the bidding is done in the last minure or 2 so I find a convienient time for all the last minute bidders to jump in. With EBAY you can set your start time for a few cents extra so that a group of auctions can be set up to start all togeather. Another note about S stuff lately on ebay. Is it just me or has there been a huge jump in the amount of S stuff on lately? It seems that the SHS , AM , and even DPH available is way higher than I have ever seen it. Seems the sale prices are lower too. Eric Kenmore, Wa. -------------- Original message -------------- From: Gary Chidester <gchidester@...> > I am looking to sell some of my duplicate Flyer inventory and was wondering > if those of you that have used eBay also have a particular day and time that > you prefer to have your auctions end. > > I understand the nature of this post and replies may be made off list. > > Do you have reasons for your preferences or just gut feelings? > > gary > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39310	From: mlmarmer	Date: 3/7/2006
Subject: Re: SELLING STUFF

I lost a very big customer in my field of work in 1996 due to a fake Money order, given to my customer, who used it as part of his payment for goods received by my company. Long story, but Money orders can be faked. Cash the MO and make sure it clears before you send the merchandise out in my opinion. Mike Marmer

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39311	From: Gerald Dobbs	Date: 3/7/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2980

Message: 3 Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 17:47:21 -0500 From: "ROBERT ALLEN CONNER" <rcon7@...> Subject: SELLING EXTRAS Bob : I have sold a few items on E-bay, I feel it is a real hassle. Some people won't respond, others want you to describe every scratch, and when they get the item they still complain. Some checks bounced, and on and on, just to nickle and dime every item, and you pay commission. Set your price 20 to 30 percent below the book, take it to the next train show, request cash, not checks ( except to train club members at your discretions ). I believe that you can do almost as good with out all the packing, shipping computer work, get cash, no strings attached to IRS, They get what they see, and the trains go to people that will enjoy them, and a dearer or two willing to nickle and dime every thing. That is just my way Jerry 77-11644

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39312	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 3/7/2006
Subject: Re;Plasticville

I would say Plasticville is in between O and S scales. I have used it for On30 because the On30 proportions are closer to S scale, yet it is O scale. It works both ways, but isn't exactly correct scale for either size. The size of doors and windows vs. the scale of the walls even differs between Plasticville structures by my scale ruler. Stumpy Stone...It's good for kitbashing too...Martins Ferry, OH.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39313	From: Rick Evans	Date: 3/7/2006
Subject: Re: Plasticville

***(((way closer to "O") That has always been MY opinion too. I forgot to mention that when I originally posted. Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39314	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 3/7/2006
Subject: S-Trains FAQ Frequently Asked Questions

I have taken a closer look at the FAQ, and it looks better than before. You can submit a question or answer one of the existing questions or You can even make up a question and answer it yourself. You can also comment on most of the existing Q & As. It will ask for your email, so lie if you feel funny typing it in. FAQ - http://S-Scale.org/faq/ also see Links - http://S-Scale.org/links/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39315	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 3/7/2006
Subject: Re: SELLING STUFF

I know of someone the stopped a certified check. You can also put a stop on a check after it has been paid by your bank and send it back up stream and get your money back. Thank you Larry Jackman ljack70117@... On Mar 7, 2006, at 3:44 PM, Phil K wrote: >> Money Orders will never bounce because the payment was made to the > bank or post office. < > > Bad news. The people at my bank said it is possible to stop payment on > a money order, just like on a regular check. Same thing with a > cashier's check, which I always thought was just as good as cash. You > need to have a good reason to stop payment on money orders and > cashier's checks, but it can be done. > > Phil K > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39316	From: Michael T Kolosseus	Date: 3/7/2006
Subject: train list available

My big AF train list for March is now available. Many hard to find items including Gilbert circus punchouts and the Simmons set are there. Contact me for an email copy.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39317	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 3/7/2006
Subject: AM's 4-8-4 - first impressions

Guys, Just got a message this afternoon from Ron Bashista at American Models and was told my locomotive was ready to be shipped and if I wanted to, I could pick it up since I live about a half hour from his place. I was there right after work and was greeted by stacks of boxes going out with the next Fed Ex truck. Anyway, upon arriving home, I placed the loco on the track and was impressed with its heft. Man, that thing is heavy! And right off the bat, it ran as smooth and any of AM's offerings and smoked like crazy. Since I have the AC hirail version, I have the sounds, and I am very pleased with them. The bell, like all AM locos, will keep ringing until the button is pressed again. The whistle, however, only has one blast pattern. But it sounds so large and throaty, I don't mind. The chuff is mechanical and is timed two to the revolution. The smoke production is excellent, and with the fluid supplied, smells like the old Flyer fluid. I ran it for a half hour at various speeds and then put a number of pasenger cars behind it. This loco is made for those heavyweights! My plans for the locomotive? There's enough room for a backhead, once the smoke switch/jack panel is relocated. I also want to illuminate the front marker lights and the back up light on the tender. But that can wait. If I make a backhead for the unit, is anybody else interested in one? I will mean you will be responsible for moving the electonics panel, but I'll be making copies in resin for those so inclined to put this detail in. Contact me off list. I will be a while, however. Those are my impressions, and I'm sticking to 'em. Jerry Poniatowski Registrar, NASG 2006 National Convention

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39318	From: Bruce D. Willis	Date: 3/7/2006
Subject: Re: BELLOWS VS PISTONS

Mike, I've installed the replacement pistons in 2 or 3 repair jobs and thought they operated pretty well. I don't have any SIT engines myself, yet. I had to make my own piston rod by shortening a regular one. I think I've seen them available, but I couldn't find them when I needed them. I also think I had to enlarge the hole in the smoke box where the bellows attached in order to accommodate the cylinder attachment. Lastly, I've used a modified half of a paper clip to hold the cylinder in place when I couldn't get the proper metal clip. The paper clip would look something like this: _ / \ | | | | / \ \ / | | | | The bulge fits in the groove on the cylinder attachment stub. If you do it right, it slides on and "snaps" in place. Bruce --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, anormal1@... wrote: > > I saw a post for bellows repair here a few days ago. Has anyone bought a > piston smoke & chuff unit to replace the bellows? I have seen the replacements > for about $40 shipping. Mike > > ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID > Michael Strickland > 211 Summit Ave. > Medford, Ore. 97501 > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39319	From: Robert A Persing	Date: 3/7/2006
Subject: Re: Plasticville

They are probly in between the to sizes,just look out for the bird bath which is about 60 scale feet and 12ft flock of birds. Bob Persing ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Evans" <bassflyer@...> To: "S-Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 1:34 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Plasticville > Is Plasticville in-between "S" and "O",.......or closer to "O" then > "S" ? > > Rick. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39320	From: Robert A Persing	Date: 3/7/2006
Subject: Re: Ebay Advice?

I like to have my auctions to end on a weekend when most people will be home I hope. Bob Persing ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Chidester" <gchidester@...> To: "STrains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 10:46 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Ebay Advice? >I am looking to sell some of my duplicate Flyer inventory and was wondering > if those of you that have used eBay also have a particular day and time > that > you prefer to have your auctions end. > > I understand the nature of this post and replies may be made off list. > > Do you have reasons for your preferences or just gut feelings? > > gary > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39321	From: Robert A Persing	Date: 3/7/2006
Subject: Re: SELLING EXTRAS

Bob,It all depends on who is at the auction,I have sold items through TED MAURER AUCTION here in Pa.and had good results but you always take a chance. Bob Persing ----- Original Message ----- From: "ROBERT ALLEN CONNER" <rcon7@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 5:47 PM Subject: [S-Trains] SELLING EXTRAS >I JUST NOTICED WHERE STOUTS SOLD A #50 LIONEL PUNCH OUT SET FOR > 750.00...HAVE 2.....ONLY NEED 1.. AND NOT REALLY HAVING A LOT OF TIME DUE > TO > WORK AND REALLY DON'T WANT TO MESS WITH EBAY...... MY QUESTION...HAS > ANYBODY > EVER HAD ANY EXPERIENCES SELLING THRU THESE TYPE COMPANYS....... I AM > THINKING OF DUPLICATES, AND OTHER ITEMS I REALLY DON'T NEED ( 2 CIRCUS > SETS > IN THE BOX WITH PUNCHOUTS ) ETC...... I KNOW THEY HAVE A 17% BUYERS > FEE..... > WHAT OTHER FEES? BOB ( SORRY FOR THE CAPS.....ALL MY WORK IS DONE THIS > WAY.... HABIT ) > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39322	From: BENJAMIN PERRY	Date: 3/7/2006
Subject: Re: 290 question

The I-4's were delivered without the air tanks mounted on top of the boiler and the smoke deflector behind the stack. They were added in later years by the New Haven. Ben Perry The hobo Lets his Whiskers sprout It's trains-not girls That he takes out BURMA-SHAVE -----Original Message----- From: Charles E. Smith Sent: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 09:42:29 -0800 To: charlie and edith, s-trains@yahoogroups.com, G C Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 290 question Prototype was a New Haven pacific. It carried air tanks high on the boiler which AC did not reproduce. There are pictures on the web. Chuck Smith, On matters of style swim with the current. On matters of substance stand like a rock. Thos. Jefferson (may be paraphrased) ----- Original Message ----- From: "G C" <ecphora123@...> To: "charlie and edith" <charlieandedith@...>; <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 7:48 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 290 question > Sorry meant to send this to everyone, > > While we are on the subject, does anyone know the prototype for the 290. I really like the look of the feedwater heater high up front. > > Thanks to all, > > Gene Cimino > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Mail > Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39323	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 3/7/2006
Subject: Re: SELLING STUFF

I sympathise with those trying to sell on eBay. It is a world lacking in morals these days - here is not aforum to go into why.The peculiar thing is that I suspect that the safest way to do things is per the despised provider Paypal. Twelve months ago and soon after eBay itself bought out Paypal they had a major problem with accessability. All their programmes have now been fixed so those problems are behind them. If a seller insists on Paypal payments being from a Paypal account only (for other than buyers with large positive feedback totals)- and not via credit card then there is no provision for the buyer to cancel the transaction. When I say that there is in fact in protection against fraud for the buyer. I would have thought that to honest sellers that would not be a problem and in any case there is an investigation and resolution process that takes place first. There are a couple of other issues of course. The Paypal fees structure and marginally poorer exchange rates for foreign transactions is resented by a number of people. As opposed to that you reach a far wider market and resultant bidding can be higher than for non Paypal sellers. I am increasingly reluctant to buy from non Paypal sellers on eBay because it costs me around ten dollars for a money order and international airmail letter with a weeks wait for delivery to the other end. Since it can take a week to 12 weeks for delivery here I resent having to wait. Alistair

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39324	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 3/7/2006
Subject: Re: SELLING STUFF

Also - from the buyers point of view if you are posting something. please wrap it properly - bubble wrap isnt that expensive. I have had two items recently from up there costing over 50 bucks each that the sellers threw in with an inadequate quantity of newspaper. My 322 arrived with the drawbar cab crosspiece broken out, an engine mount broken and the thin shank coupler naturally in four pieces. My cow on the track arrived with a piece broken out of the corner and the fragments too small to glue back. The store owners connected with this site at least know how to pack! Alistair

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39325	From: charlie and edith	Date: 3/7/2006
Subject: Steam, Shoulder brushes

Greetings! The 290 is running! My thanks to Rick for the diagram ....I was able to trace and color code the wires, and then reverse the "jack pannel", my thanks to Scott for the suggestion. It was easier to change the "red dot" then move all the wires. My question is about shoulder brushes .... I found three different lengths, 5/8", 3/4" and 7/8". in my "parts box". Which is the "correct" length? The pressure seems to increase with length. Does longer/stronger have an adverse affect on armature plates? My thanks for your thoughts and best wishes! Charlie [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39326	From: Rick Evans	Date: 3/8/2006
Subject: loco wiring diagram/ photo albums

***(((((Greetings! The 290 is running! My thanks to Rick for the diagram))))*** And I'd like to thank whoever I stole, ...er...uh.....borrowed that diagram from that I posted in one of my albums! :^) And speaking of albums, we can set anyone up with a photo album to share all of the fun train/layout photos one might have! Don't be the last one on your block to get one! :^) Rick. PS.........I'll be out of town Thursday --Sunday,... just in case someone emails ME for an album. And speaking of albums, did I mention we can........................................ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39327	From: Doug Peck	Date: 3/8/2006
Subject: Re: Ebay Advice?

Gary,.... I almost always "schedule" my listings so that they end between 7 and 8 PM PST, which = 10-11 PM, on the east coast. Be careful when you use the EBAY "scheduled listing" section, because the times they allow you to choose are PST ! More than once, I've set it for MY time without thinking, and as a result the auction mistakenly ends at 2 AM EST !!! If you only have a few items to list, I prefer auctions that end on Sat and Sun evenings, but as a general rule, selling a lot of items, I spread them out throughout the entire week...it doesn't seem to matter, as long as you avoid holiday endings. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours: Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, & Saturdays--- 2-5 PM (EST) 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: www.portlines.com <http://www.portlines.com> E-mail: doug@... <mailto:doug@...> VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. <<<I am looking to sell some of my duplicate Flyer inventory and was wondering if those of you that have used eBay also have a particular day and time that you prefer to have your auctions end.>>>

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39328	From: Mark Preman	Date: 3/8/2006
Subject: More American Flyer Trains for Sale - again

It's not often I have to update this soon but I have just added another ton of stuff to the March list - mostly Flyonel. Happy hunting! Mark(your list sponsor) Click on this; http://www.americanflyertrains.com Mark B. Preman AmericanFlyerTrains.com --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39329	From: lember2004	Date: 3/8/2006
Subject: original AF fiber pins question

Original AF 692/26692 fiber pins: I would appreciate learning what was their color & of what material were they made? I've seen repros offered that appear to be clear plastic and others that appear to be some black-colored material; I'm curious about the originals. Thanks! Mark

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39330	From: Doug Peck	Date: 3/8/2006
Subject: Re: BELLOWS VS PISTONS

For anyone interested in piston conversion, we have ALL the necessary parts to do so, and we offer it as a complete kit as well as individual components. We had the cylinders made, as well as the proper piston lever, and we have a supply of the original "clips" to hold the cylinder in place. Bruce is correct, that you MAY have to modify the side of the smoke chamber in order to mount the cylinder, but that's easily done with a drill or Dremel. There are at least two versions of the original smoke chambers; one requires modification, and the other does not. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST), Also often available, "by chance", for telephone orders: Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, 7-9 PM. 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: http://www.portlines.com <http://www.portlines.com/> E-mail: doug@... VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. ORIGINAL MESSAGE <<< I've installed the replacement pistons in 2 or 3 repair jobs and thought they operated pretty well. I don't have any SIT engines myself, yet. I had to make my own piston rod by shortening a regular one. I think I've seen them available, but I couldn't find them when I needed them. I also think I had to enlarge the hole in the smoke box where the bellows attached in order to accommodate the cylinder attachment. Lastly, I've used a modified half of a paper clip to hold the cylinder in place when I couldn't get the proper metal clip. The paper clip would look something like this: _ / \ | | | | / \ \ / | | | | The bulge fits in the groove on the cylinder attachment stub. If you do it right, it slides on and "snaps" in place.>>>

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39331	From: Jim Marski	Date: 3/8/2006
Subject: Cement vs Grain hoppers

Real life grain hoppers are longer than cement hoppers to allow a larger volume of material to be carried as the cement is a much heavier product than grain. Jim Marski --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39332	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 3/8/2006
Subject: Re: Ebay Advice?

Another thing I am noticing is, for example, the s catagory........ your listing is only viewed twice...... once when first listed and second just before closing..... this is due to the large number of listings...... I do narrow the list by searching SET ...... this helps some..... but sure I miss a lot...... the other day I just happened to luck up on a couple items by surfing...... My 3 items close tonight..... they are finally getting bids....... was about ready to delete them........ Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Peck" <doug@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 9:11 AM Subject: [S-Trains] RE: Ebay Advice? > Gary,.... I almost always "schedule" my listings so that they end between > 7 and 8 PM PST, which = 10-11 PM, on the east coast. Be careful when you > use the EBAY "scheduled listing" section, because the times they allow you > to choose are PST ! More than once, I've set it for MY time without > thinking, and as a result the auction mistakenly ends at 2 AM EST !!! > If you only have a few items to list, I prefer auctions that end on Sat > and Sun evenings, but as a general rule, selling a lot of items, I spread > them out throughout the entire week...it doesn't seem to matter, as long > as you avoid holiday endings. > > Doug Peck > Port Lines Hobby Supply > 6 Storeybrooke Drive > Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 > Shop Hours: Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, & Saturdays--- 2-5 PM (EST) > 978-465-8798 > 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) > Website: www.portlines.com <http://www.portlines.com> > E-mail: doug@... <mailto:doug@...> > VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. > > <<<I am looking to sell some of my duplicate Flyer inventory and was > wondering > if those of you that have used eBay also have a particular day and time > that > you prefer to have your auctions end.>>> > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39333	From: THOMAS E HILLERY	Date: 3/8/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2981

Re: Ebay Advice best time would be late... between 11:00 and 12:00. Most of us are home or can be online. Would look forward to bidding on that great stuff I saw at the Edison show.. T. Hillery

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39334	From: Phil K	Date: 3/8/2006
Subject: Re: Ebay Advice?

> Another thing I am noticing is, for example, the s catagory..... your listing is only viewed twice...... once when first listed and second just before closing..... this is due to the large number of listings...... Hi Bob -- Please explain your thinking re: "your listing is only viewed twice..." I agree about the volume of listings and I'm not sure that's good -- although in the 3-rail stuff there's a bazillion listings and it seems to work. There's no way I have time to keep an eye on 4800- plus items, especially when so many are quasi-permanent items in peoples' stores. I now find myself just looking at the items from highest-priced down to about $75 or so. But I'm sure I'm missing a lot. I wish there was a way I could eliminate the "store" stock from the listings -- and the third-party auctions too -- you know, the ones where eBay allows the auction house to bang you for an extra 17 percent... Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39335	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 3/8/2006
Subject: Re: Ebay Advice?

phil...... i to try to sort out by groups....... but if something is listed today i will see it........ then wnen it is ready to end i see it again........ thats what i ment...... as for deleting......ME TOO ! bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phil K" <waldootten@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 2:56 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Ebay Advice? >> Another thing I am noticing is, for example, the s catagory..... > your listing is only viewed twice...... once when first listed and > second just before closing..... this is due to the large number of > listings...... > > Hi Bob -- > > Please explain your thinking re: "your listing is only viewed > twice..." > > I agree about the volume of listings and I'm not sure that's good -- > although in the 3-rail stuff there's a bazillion listings and it > seems to work. There's no way I have time to keep an eye on 4800- > plus items, especially when so many are quasi-permanent items in > peoples' stores. > > I now find myself just looking at the items from highest-priced down > to about $75 or so. But I'm sure I'm missing a lot. I wish there was > a way I could eliminate the "store" stock from the listings -- and > the third-party auctions too -- you know, the ones where eBay > allows the auction house to bang you for an extra 17 percent... > > Phil K > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39336	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 3/8/2006
Subject: AM Northen Photo Review

American Model's new Northern just arrived and after doing a couple of laps around the layout I had to get some images of her up on the web. The link is at: http://www.tuveson.com/am-northern/am-northern.htm Carl [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39337	From: Ironhorse	Date: 3/8/2006
Subject: Re: SELLING STUFF

Another option: Perhaps a list should be complied those that have a reputation of making reliable payments. To do this, dealers would need to be willing to help. A friend of mine working in retail posted a list of deadbeats whose checks bounced. So a list of reference is needed that would indicate about the customer. Reliable deadbeat or no info. available. In this day and age anyone takes a chance no matter how hard you try to protect yourself. The odds are very strong that a long term member of this group will be honest. Also a member of NASG is very likely going to be a good customer. From the unknown customer, Ask for a reference of a dealer he has delt with.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39338	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 3/8/2006
Subject: Re: SELLING STUFF

You should think about this. You can get into real trouble.An employer can not tell the reason he fired someone. Can get sued if he does. I think the same can happen when you publish your list. Thank you Larry Jackman ljack70117@... On Mar 8, 2006, at 7:34 PM, Ironhorse wrote: > Another option: > Perhaps a list should be complied those that have a reputation of > making reliable > payments. To do this, dealers would need to be willing to help. > A friend of mine working in retail posted a list of deadbeats whose > checks bounced. > So a list of reference is needed that would indicate about the > customer. > > Reliable deadbeat or no > info. available. > > > In this day and age anyone takes a chance no matter how hard you > try to > protect yourself. > > The odds are very strong that a long term member of this group will be > honest. > Also a member of NASG is very likely going to be a good customer. > > From the unknown customer, Ask for a reference of a dealer he has > delt with. > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39339	From: Phil K	Date: 3/8/2006
Subject: Re: SELLING STUFF

I believe Larry is 100 percent right on this. While we all have Freedom of Speech rights guaranteed under the First Amendment, publically listing a person or company as a "deadbeat" could be construed as libel or slander -- and therefore could be actionable (as in lawsuit). Maybe one of our in-house attorneys could chime in here. Phil K ************************************************************** --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, ljack70117@... wrote: > > You should think about this. You can get into real trouble.An > employer can not tell the reason he fired someone. Can get sued if he > does. I think the same can happen when you publish your list. > Thank you > Larry Jackman > ljack70117@... > > > > On Mar 8, 2006, at 7:34 PM, Ironhorse wrote: > > > Another option: > > Perhaps a list should be complied those that have a reputation of > > making reliable > > payments. To do this, dealers would need to be willing to help. > > A friend of mine working in retail posted a list of deadbeats whose > > checks bounced. > > So a list of reference is needed that would indicate about the > > customer. > > > > Reliable deadbeat or no > > info. available. > > > > > > In this day and age anyone takes a chance no matter how hard you > > try to > > protect yourself. > > > > The odds are very strong that a long term member of this group will be > > honest. > > Also a member of NASG is very likely going to be a good customer. > > > > From the unknown customer, Ask for a reference of a dealer he has > > delt with. > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39340	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 3/8/2006
Subject: The PVMR layout comes home

The PVMR layout returned this PM, looking as good as it did when it left. Stored, ready to be loaded Friday evening. The Christiania (Station 5-2) Fire Laddies had a good time with it, it apparently opened some eyes in regard to actual fire planning and response. Among the scenarios explored were a gas leak, fire at the local grocery, auto accidents etc. The PVMR layout is a 4' X 7' S Gauge layout featuring the S-HELPER SERVICE PRR Starter set and trackage, with PLASTICVILLE Bldgs and accesories. Easily transported, it will next appear at the TCA'S Keystone Div Meet this Saturday and again at the RCTHS Meet in Leesport PA on March 26th. Christiania PA, Station 5-2 is located in eastern Lancaster County PA, near the Main Line of the PENNSYLVANIA RAILROAD. The 8' X 16' layout under construction will be built with FIRE TRAINING as a possible use. Jim "see you at Keystone" Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39341	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 3/8/2006
Subject: Clasic Trains New Switch

Has anyone used Classic Trains Track System? I just saw their new model 54 Switch & it looks great. If I'm not wrong their track is a solid nickel rail. Mike ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39342	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 3/8/2006
Subject: Re: Clasic Trains New Switch

On Wed, 8 Mar 2006 20:59:58 EST, anormal1@... wrote: > Has anyone used Classic Trains Track System? I assume you mean... http://www.classictrains.com/ There are a number of installation examples on the web site, probably could contact one of those folks. >If I'm not wrong their track is a solid nickel rail. That is what I gather from the web site. No offense to the R&D investment they made, if I am going to go after a more prototypical track, then #4 and #6 switches please... but that is just me. Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39343	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 3/8/2006
Subject: Re: Clasic Trains New Switch

On Wed, 08 Mar 2006 21:09:40 -0500, Michael Lueck wrote: >No offense to the R&D investment they made, if I am going to go after a more >prototypical track, then #4 and #6 switches please... but that is just me. Now I am confused on this one... I thought AM made #4 and #6 switches, but I just ruled them out as I am not up to cleaning brass track. (Learned that lesson in my HO days with Atlas, only a bit of silver track at the end, boy it was better!) But looking at the AM web site just now, they say they make a 27" radius switch, same as Classic Trains says. BUT, the pic on the Classic Trains site looks a lot more curvy aka toy like, and the AM pic looks more like a #4 or #6 type switch. >:-| Am I missing something??? Thomas Stoltz, you lurking? Since you hand make switches, I would consider you an expert at the details of the diverting path through a switch. Any clarification you can offer on what I am seeing between these two web sites (AM and Classic Trains) and what a real #4 or #6 switch is? Thanks, Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39344	From: mlmarmer	Date: 3/8/2006
Subject: Re: Clasic Trains New Switch

Mike, I have been waiting for the switches to be finally available. I have a circle of that track plus 6 straight pieces I picked up a few years ago. The track is wonderful, as you can not tell where the pieces meet. Very detailed, with the connectors looking like real fish plates for track. www.classictrains.com Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: <anormal1@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 8:59 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Clasic Trains New Switch > Has anyone used Classic Trains Track System? I just saw their new model 54 > Switch & it looks great. If I'm not wrong their track is a solid nickel rail. > Mike > > ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID > Michael Strickland > 211 Summit Ave. > Medford, Ore. 97501 > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39345	From: mlmarmer	Date: 3/8/2006
Subject: Classic Track

I wrote that the connectors have great detail. The connectors of course are the rail joiners, as that term slipped my mind. Fish Plates are what they call real rail joiners, in case someone did not understand that. I see by the website, the switches are not in yet, as I too, have seen them at York and at Bob Board's a few year's ago. I was told by the owner of Classic Track, that the switches were due this March. Mike Marmer

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39346	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 3/8/2006
Subject: Using light dimmers for speed control

Once again I am asking what is the disadvantage with using a light dimmer ahead of a transformer for speed control. Down here in Australia I do not have access to bulky high quality Flyer transformers for control - being expensive items when looking at postage from the states and requiring an interstage transformer to drop our 240 volt line supply down to US voltages. I have found that electric blaket transfomers can supply 5 amps or more at stepped voltages from 11 to 32 volts and when used with an off the shelf light dimmer in the primary circuit they provide good speed control. In fact many of my original AC motored locos will run at scale walking speeds. But I seem to remember years ago when I was using them to run locos on that other obsolete bigger scale I was warned that there were problems with spikes in the peak voltages. Can anyone out there tell me? Is it simply a case that you all have plenty of beefy transformers and opt for can motors and DC for slower speeds because you have never tried the option? Thanks. Alistair

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39347	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 3/9/2006
Subject: Re: Clasic Trains New Switch

On Wed, 08 Mar 2006 21:20:11 -0500, Michael Lueck wrote: >BUT, the pic on the Classic Trains >site looks a lot more curvy aka toy like, and the AM pic looks more like a #4 >or #6 type switch. Took another look at the Classic Trains web site this morning, happened across this pic which I think explains a lot... http://www.classictrains.com/storeimages/27Scomplete_02.jpg So this system works a lot like Atlas HO switches where there is a little curve included to make the switch act more like a complete curve section. And found this one as well... http://www.classictrains.com/storeimages/27Scomplete_04.jpg 'tis a lot better than a couple of Gilbert switches doing a crossover. Actually kind of like the look with putting the switch machine under the table. Anyone know of a S scale switchstand to attach, lighted, which would be operated by the switch and indicate the position of the switch? Back to work... Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39348	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 3/9/2006
Subject: Blatant ad-2059

Selling my Rocket Launcher flat. Brakewheel off, but not lost. Otherwise MINT-rocket never even fired. Button, 3rd rail also MINT. Lost the box, instructions and hookup wire to a wascally wabbit. Best offer-John marganski --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39349	From: WEG138@aol.com	Date: 3/9/2006
Subject: Re: The PVMR layout comes home

Jim: Please keep us informed on the "Fire Department" training layout. Thanks! Bill Greaves [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39350	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 3/9/2006
Subject: whoops

It's a 2559-but you already knew that-John --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39351	From: Richard Clouse	Date: 3/9/2006
Subject: Re: SELLING STUFF

Phil is right. Our "First Amendment" right gives you the right to say or print what you wish about the government, a government official and/or a public figure (with some limitations). Calling a private person in a business transaction a "deadbeat" however is probably actionable. Now, maintaining a database for feedback (like E-bay) is probably okay--so long as you stay away from "opinion" and stick with facts. Calling someone a "deadbeat" or "crook" is probably libel. Saying a person failed to pay, or sold an item which was misrepresented is a statement of fact, and not actionable. Rich Clouse Phil K <waldootten@...> wrote: I believe Larry is 100 percent right on this. While we all have Freedom of Speech rights guaranteed under the First Amendment, publically listing a person or company as a "deadbeat" could be construed as libel or slander -- and therefore could be actionable (as in lawsuit). Maybe one of our in-house attorneys could chime in here. Phil K ************************************************************** --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, ljack70117@... wrote: > > You should think about this. You can get into real trouble.An > employer can not tell the reason he fired someone. Can get sued if he > does. I think the same can happen when you publish your list. > Thank you > Larry Jackman > ljack70117@... > > > > On Mar 8, 2006, at 7:34 PM, Ironhorse wrote: > > > Another option: > > Perhaps a list should be complied those that have a reputation of > > making reliable > > payments. To do this, dealers would need to be willing to help. > > A friend of mine working in retail posted a list of deadbeats whose > > checks bounced. > > So a list of reference is needed that would indicate about the > > customer. > > > > Reliable deadbeat or no > > info. available. > > > > > > In this day and age anyone takes a chance no matter how hard you > > try to > > protect yourself. > > > > The odds are very strong that a long term member of this group will be > > honest. > > Also a member of NASG is very likely going to be a good customer. > > > > From the unknown customer, Ask for a reference of a dealer he has > > delt with. > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links CIHIGOYENETCHE, GROSSBERG & CLOUSE Richard R.Clouse | Cihigoyenetche, Grossberg & Clouse | http://www.cgclaw.com 8038 Haven Ave. | Suite E | Rancho Cucamonga, CA 91730 Vox: 909.483.1850 | Fax: 909.483.1840 | E-mail: RiClouse@... - ATTORNEY_CLIENT COMMUNICATION - This communication constitutes an electronic communication within the meaning of the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 USC 2510, and its disclosure is strictly limited to the recipient intended by the sender of this message. This communication contains confidential and privileged material, is protected by the attorney-client and/or the attorney/work product privileges and is for the sole use of the intended recipient and receipt by anyone other than the intended recipient does not constitute a loss of the confidential or privileged nature of the communication. Any review or distribution by others is strictly prohibited. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39352	From: paflyrman	Date: 3/9/2006
Subject: 21099 Detail Questions

Could anyone tell me if the 21099 loco is painted white on the inside of the smokestack, and if the boiler is stamped with a manufacture date on the inside? Thanks paflyrman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39353	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 3/9/2006
Subject: Re: Using light dimmers for speed control

If this has not already been answered, a transformer is intended to have sign wave AC current passing though it. A light dimmer uses a device known as a Triac and gates it. The output is not AC, and will not properly pass though a transformer. To do what you want, you need what is called an "auto transformer" which is much more costly than a light dimmer, but is actually a transformer with a movable tap. For instance, at the TCA Toy Train museum, I have noticed they use this approach. It gives you an ultra heavy duty Variable AC voltage for running your trains, is a true sign wave, but is large, heavy and not cheap. Chuck A. C. Gilbert Catalogs Online http://www.myflyertrains.org

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39354	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 3/9/2006
Subject: Re: Using light dimmers for speed control

Thanks to all who answered this query. As I suspected there is a gap between theory and practise so I shall continue to use the dimmer, being careful to watch for signs of it or the transformer overheating. Just as a note, auto transformers are potentially fairly dangerous in the USA and extremely dangerous in Australia. This is because unless you use an isolation 1:1 transformer behind or in front of them you have the full mains voltage on one side of the transformer and since there is no insulation in between a primary and a secondary winding, (there is usually only a tapped primary - it is not a transformer in reality but a tapped inductance,) a wrong setting of the wheel or a short can place the full mains potential across the tracks! Even a wrongly wired line plug can place the active side of the line on the track at the full 117 or 240 volt potential! Alistair

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39355	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 3/9/2006
Subject: Re: Using light dimmers for speed control

Hi Chuck, A few years back I used a dimmer to lower the input voltage to a 120v input trans, with a 20v output. It worked just fine with no ill results. The full sine wave of AC is changed by the dimmer to a square or chopped wave. This was explained to me by someone on this list when I first tried it. The biggest drawback to this is you can buy a used AF Transformer for the cost of the dimmer & used surplus transformer. I did it just to sere if it could be done. It can be done & works just fine. Mike ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39356	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 3/9/2006
Subject: Re: Using light dimmers for speed control

The dimer switch is an SRC unit and controls the voltage by turning it on and off. Thank you Larry Jackman ljack70117@... On Mar 9, 2006, at 4:20 PM, Alistair McAllister wrote: > Thanks to all who answered this query. As I suspected there is a gap > between theory and practise so I shall continue to use the dimmer, > being careful to watch for signs of it or the transformer overheating. > Just as a note, auto transformers are potentially fairly dangerous in > the USA and extremely dangerous in Australia. This is because unless > you use an isolation 1:1 transformer behind or in front of them you > have the full mains voltage on one side of the transformer and since > there is no insulation in between a primary and a secondary winding, > (there is usually only a tapped primary - it is not a transformer in > reality but a tapped inductance,) a wrong setting of the wheel or a > short can place the full mains potential across the tracks! Even a > wrongly wired line plug can place the active side of the line on the > track at the full 117 or 240 volt potential! Alistair > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39357	From: Dennis Back	Date: 3/9/2006
Subject: Re: Using light dimmers for speed control

I did a search on the yahoo S-trains message archive and found this. Back in November 1999 I posted the following 2 questions to this list: ****************** "Here's my idea for a cheap hand-held controller: Take a standard wall light dimmer and hook it up in series with the 7-15 volt post on my Gilbert tranformer; turn on the throttle; walk away with the dimmer and control my train. Question two: If this DOES work, doesn't the dimmer convert the power to D.C.? If so....can I operate my DC engine with it without a meltdown?" ******************** I got the following reply from list member Vic Bereskin also back in 1999: ========================= "The answer to both questions is a definate no. A wall switch type dimmer works by switching the power on or off at various voltage levels in the 120 VAC cycle. The voltage at the 7 - 15 V post of a transformer is nowhere near high enough for the dimmer to work. A similar design could work on 15 VAC, but it would have to have been designed for that voltage. And no, the dimmer does not convert the AC voltage to DC. The main switching device in a dimmer is a Triac, which is capable of operating on both polarities of the AC cycle." ===================== From the list replies now in 2006, it seems that it is ok to use a dimmer as a remote control. I have been keeping away from this for the past six years due to the above reply. I take it that I still cannot use my DC Flyer with the dimmer and a Gilbert AC transformer. Any thoughts on my 2 original questions and Vic's reply to my original questions would be appreciated. Thanks, Dennis Miami, FL __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39358	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 3/9/2006
Subject: Re: Using light dimmers for speed control

On Thu, 9 Mar 2006 16:03:25 -0800 (PST), Dennis Back wrote: >I did a search on the yahoo S-trains message archive >and found this. Trouble is as trouble was, household light dimmers mess with the sine wave in order to dim 120 volt light bulbs. Turn one down low, and if your hearing is still good, you can hear the bulb sing. THAT is the affect of the dimmer "messing" with the 120v sine wave to drop the voltage ala dim the light. So, yes it is lower than 120v, it is sort of AC still... and yes feeding less than 120v into a transformer drops the output voltage as well, etc... And yes it "CAN" work to dim a transformer. But is it the best, safest, most efficient, bla bla bla plan, no. It's kind of like voting twice in Chicago! ;-) Probably heads will always knock on this one. As for the person trying to run AF trains in another country... probably best to get a power converter that will convert your 250v 50hz over to 120v 60hz, and just plug in the AF transformer. Such converters are out there. Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39359	From: Bill Porter	Date: 3/9/2006
Subject: Re: Using light dimmers for speed control

Hi Dennis, Such a dimmer will not be much use as a handheld throttle. The reasons cited in the original answer and the recent thread are pretty complete. Years ago (in the '50's) I made a power pack using my old American Flyer transformer and a selenium rectifier from MRC. It worked fine for controlling DC trains then and would still work, today. The dimmer switch idea for controlling the output of a transformer only works when the dimmer controls the input to the transformer. If one wanted to use it for a hand-held throttle, it would be necessary to bring the AC power from the wall plug to the throttle. It would be ugly and dangerous. Sometimes, when I take trains to shows and let little engineers run them, I want to limit the speed. If I am using a transformer as the first part of the power supply, I can (and do) use a dimmer switch. I made a gizmo that plugs into the wall. It has a dimmer switch controlling the power to a regular wall plug that is part of the system. It works because I know that the power supply has a real transformer in it rather than some sort of switcher or solid state circuit. Good Luck, Bill Bill Porter Loxahatchee I take it that I still cannot use my DC Flyer with the dimmer and a Gilbert AC transformer. Any thoughts on my 2 original questions and Vic's reply to my original questions would be appreciated. Thanks, Dennis Miami, FL

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39360	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 3/9/2006
Subject: Re: AM Northern Review

I have added some internal pictures of the loco to the review. The link is: http://www.tuveson.com/am-northern/am-northern.htm Carl [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39361	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 3/9/2006
Subject: Re: Using light dimmers for speed control

Your original reply is 100% correct. DO not use a dimmer switch with a 15 Volt transformer Thank you Larry Jackman ljack70117@... On Mar 9, 2006, at 7:03 PM, Dennis Back wrote: > I did a search on the yahoo S-trains message archive > and found this. Back in November 1999 I posted the > following 2 questions to this list: > ****************** > "Here's my idea for a cheap hand-held controller: > > Take a standard wall light dimmer and hook it up in > series with the 7-15 volt post on my Gilbert > tranformer; turn on the throttle; walk away with the > dimmer and control my train. > > Question two: > If this DOES work, doesn't the dimmer convert the > power to D.C.? If so....can I operate my DC engine > with it without a meltdown?" > ******************** > > I got the following reply from list member Vic > Bereskin also back in 1999: > > ========================= > "The answer to both questions is a definate no. A > wall switch type dimmer > works by switching the power on or off at various > voltage levels in the 120 > VAC cycle. The voltage at the 7 - 15 V post of a > transformer is nowhere > near high enough for the dimmer to work. A similar > design could work on 15 > VAC, but it would have to have been designed for that > voltage. And no, the > dimmer does not convert the AC voltage to DC. The > main switching device in > a dimmer is a Triac, which is capable of operating on > both polarities of the > AC cycle." > ===================== > > From the list replies now in 2006, it seems that it is > ok to use a dimmer as a remote control. I have been > keeping away from this for the past six years due to > the above reply. > > I take it that I still cannot use my DC Flyer with the > dimmer and a Gilbert AC transformer. > > Any thoughts on my 2 original questions and Vic's > reply to my original questions would be appreciated. > > Thanks, > Dennis > Miami, FL > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39362	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 3/9/2006
Subject: Re: Using light dimmers for speed control

I think Mike summed it up as far as I am concerned. Why use a dimmer when you can easily get a good original transformer/controller for the same price. The answer for me of course is I can't. The dimmer and transformer cost me about $20.00 US locally which is less than the postage on a beefy AF transformer from the US. I have four less than 50 watt AF transformers and they are not much cop on 110 volts. I am sure that a 120 volt 60 cycle converter would be nice and that I could even make a converter, controller out of an old amplifier with a simple 60 cycle oscillator feeding the input signal. However it is not necessary since the locos have universal motors, the accessories are only in short time use and their AC only 60 cycle motors dont get too hot in that time and the around 18% reduction in speed in those fitted with those motors is only noticable in the slower drawl of the talking station announcer. The proof of the pudding is in the eating in that none of the equipment seems to run hot, there is not even anecdotal evidence of commutator damage and as one electrical engineering trade member confided it might take 20 years continuous use for either the transformer or dimmer to play up. As a final note thank you all it is great that there is such a useful forum as this. Alistair

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39363	From: Phil K	Date: 3/9/2006
Subject: Chicagoland Assn of S Gaugers meeting March 17

S gaugers -- all levels of experience and interest -- are invited to attend the March meeting of the Chicagoland Assn. of S Gaugers next Friday evening, March 17 (7 pm gabfest/swap meet, 8 pm meeting) at St. Paul's Lutheran School, 1100 West Lake Street in Melrose Park, Ill. New members are enthusiastically welcomed. Club is in 37th year and has approximately 60 members. We have folks who are into Gilbert Flyer as well as scalers and narrow gaugers, so there's something for everyone. Our club also is proud to have as members two of the nation's foremost authorites on A.C. Gilbert production, L. Andrew Jugle and Dave Garrigues. Also a member is Bruce Lorence, whose American Flyer high rail tinplate layout was featured in the first TM video and as a result skyrocketed him to celebrity status in S circles. Also featured in that video is the vast layout of another of our members, the late Ed Fialkowski. Our club will also host the 2006 Fall S-Fest November 3-5 at the Holiday Inn Select in Tinley Park, Ill. Great bunch of friendly, helpful S people. CASG website: http://www.trainweb.org/casg/ Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39364	From: winchester54947	Date: 3/10/2006
Subject: beefy transformer

Allistair wrote:Why use a dimmer when you can easily get a good original transformer/controller for the same price. The answer for me of course is I can't. I once used a cheap used 10A 12V auto battery charger without the rectifier/regulator (basically just the box and the 20+ pound transformer) with 110 VAC primary controlled by a 500 Watt light dimmer. 0-16 VAC output, had a circuit breaker and an ammeter too. I probably could have used it to arc weld in a pinch. I know your autos are 12VDC, I'll bet your battery chargers are 220V input. I have a question are your household incandescent light bulbs rated 220V?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39365	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 3/10/2006
Subject: Dimmers

Not to mention the unmentionable word, but the Lionel prewar rheostats are plentiful and cheap. Yes, Virginia, they do have asbestos insulation-but it's the OK type. They have either an on/off switch or an interrupter button on the slide so one may operate the E-unit. Cleaned, repainted and with Wahl Clipper on the slide/coil interface, it's a rock-solid reliable piece of equipment that really adds a neat vintage touch to your layout. I used two on passing shunts (insulating the rheo-rail from the mainline) to throttle down to stall without tripping the E on the entering loco. If that loco is SIT, it'll still huff away while idling-John Marganski --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39366	From: paflyrman	Date: 3/10/2006
Subject: 21099 Detail Results & 21095 Question

Thanks to all who responded to my question about some of the detail touches on the AF 21099 Pacific loco. The consensus is that the engine came both ways, with the painted stack and without, and that there are enough examples out there without date stamp to confirm that also. The 21099 I recently acquired had neither. I have read about the 21095 loco many times. I believe most people think that it was just a replacement body issued by the Gilbert repair facility. My question is, if that were true, why would they issue a detailed parts listing for the 21095? I have an original parts listing for this loco as an addendum to the 293 exploded diagram and parts listing. paflyrman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39367	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 3/10/2006
Subject: Gilbert Get-together

At the last Gilbert I thought we voted to move the time back to 8:00 pm. I see in the York meet guide that it is slated for 9:00. Any one know what we plan to do? Harwood [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39368	From: Robert Graves	Date: 3/10/2006
Subject: #25534 Rocket Carrier?

Has anybody ever heard of a #25534 Rocket Carrier? It's not in any of my books. The seller says "This is a version of the #25515 USAF Flatcar" but that's a black flatcar with rocket sled; it looks nothing at all like the one he's selling. The flatcar he's selling looks like the #24574 U. S. Air Force Flatcar, but it doesn't make sense to bastardize and renumber such a rare car as that. I wonder whether it's a repro. Anybody know? If it's real, I want to buy it. Thanks for your help. Bob --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39369	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 3/10/2006
Subject: Re: Gilbert Get-together

MAYBE WE VOTED FOR 8:00....... but nobody told the TCA...... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: <HOwingsiii@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, March 10, 2006 8:56 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Gilbert Get-together > At the last Gilbert I thought we voted to move the time back to 8:00 pm. > I > see in the York meet guide that it is slated for 9:00. Any one know what > we > plan to do? > > Harwood > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39370	From: knockbill	Date: 3/10/2006
Subject: Dimmers

Hi I agree with not using dimmers for anything but pure resistance loads (light bulbs etc), however, there are generic ceiling fan controls, which are similar in size & price to dimmers, but are designed to operate fans.... the motors in them are single phase inductance AC motors, similar to transformers..... I haven't tryed it, but it should work better then a dimmer,,,,,,Use the generic kind, not the ones designed to work with the electronics in specific fans..... John

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39371	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 3/10/2006
Subject: Re: AM Northern Review - How about some inside the tender pics...

Carl, I like the tether less IR connections between coal tenders and the engine. Is this expensive to produce, I know some High end Lionel 3 rail have it. I assume the power pick up is in the coal tender for the new Northern? How about some inside the tender pics? Thanks for the pics... Scott Dee -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Carl Tuveson Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 7:16 PM To: STrains Subject: [S-Trains] RE: AM Northern Review I have added some internal pictures of the loco to the review. The link is: http://www.tuveson.com/am-northern/am-northern.htm Carl [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39372	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 3/10/2006
Subject: Thomas Stoltz, you lurking

And so it was said: “I would consider you an expert ” Wow, I’ll have to show that’s to my wife however, I am far from an expert. A quick check of the NMRA Recommended Practices will give what I would think is the best answer to your question. Accordingly, a #4 would have a radius of 21” while a #6 would be about 58”. If you let the computer dictate your max radius, you can get almost 26” out of a #4. I have found the frog angle of the AM #4 to be pretty true to 14.25°. I wouldn’t say anything about the Am S Ga without have a sample to measure. However, I am not a big fan of closing frog turnouts, which they appear to be. Tom Stoltz Tom’s Turnouts & Trackwork Maine S Gaugers NASG [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39373	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 3/10/2006
Subject: Dimmers-nah

The easiest and totally toy train solution is to use a Prewar L rheostat. With its brass plate and exposed coil, a cleaned up and repainted one makes a practical and attractive speed control. Early rheos have an on/off switch on the slide, later ones have a kill button. I prefer the early. I use them on passing sidings to throttle down an engine and stall it so the e-unit doesn't cycle-john Marganski --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39374	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 3/10/2006
Subject: My last word on dimmers

Just seems to me there are two kinds of people in this argument - those who have used them (and found no problems) and those who have not used them and say they won't work or cause problems in theory. I am reminded of a friend in a car club years ago with some college engineering subjects. He claimed cavetation in car heads due to too rapid a water flow could not take place from his calculations. all the mechanics he talked to laughed at him! Practical experience had proven otherwise to them. Again thanks to all! Alistair

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39375	From: Roy Inman	Date: 3/10/2006
Subject: Re: AM Northern Review - How about some inside the tender pics...

Actually, the Flyonel Mikado also has the wireless connection. Roy I > From: Scott Davidson <scottdee25@...> > Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 14:54:43 -0600 > To: carl@..., 'STrains' <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Subject: RE: [S-Trains] RE: AM Northern Review - How about some inside the > tender pics... > > I like the tether less IR connections between coal tenders and the > engine. > Is this expensive to produce, I know some High end Lionel 3 rail have > it.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39376	From: Robert Graves	Date: 3/10/2006
Subject: Re: #25534 Rocket Carrier?

The question is whether Gilbert really made one with that particular number - 25534. I'm suspicious it's a repro or outright hoax. --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39377	From: Velapoldi	Date: 3/10/2006
Subject: Turnouts

Hi all: Looking for some advice. I have some of Tom's turnouts (#4's and #6's). I am currently using Caboose Industries HO ground throws and would like to hook up a microswitch (I have 10) to direct the current (AC by the way). I have attached the throws to the two long ties on the turnout (drilled two small holes and have two long nuts and bolts that anchor the throw to the ties). I plan to make a flat plate of plastic, and attach the plastic to the two bolts on the long ties. I would then attach the microswitch to the plastic plate (with either glue - epoxy or DAP type - or use two additional nuts/bolts) such that the Caboose Industries throw trips the switch when it is thrown. Unfortunately, this is sort of an ugly, makeshift solution. Any other ideas (hopefully simple) such that the microswitch can be placed below the throw and basically out of sight? I really don't want to make an elaborate 90° bracket but that seems the best way to go. Has anyone solved this problem already? I don't want to reinvent the wheel. I do have some BK motor driven electrical throws, and I could probably use them for the turnouts. I think they have a built-in microswitch, but probably would take a bit of tweaking to get to work (actually, they seem to be quite a bit of work). Just a few additional pieces of information - I am using SHS flex and sectional track as well as some AM sectional track. Thus the available code 100 switches wouldn't work and I chose Tom's to fit in with the two different sized tracks. Here is another voice crying in the wilderness for those automatic S gauge switches that would work with code 125, 133, and 149 track!! Anyhow, any ideas would be appreciated. I thanks in advance Rance Velapoldi (Norway)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39378	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 3/10/2006
Subject: 4-8-4, etc

Guys, For those of you who ordered the AM 4-8-4, here's a great photo from the San Bernardino Railroad Historical Society site. That loco is made for heavyweight cars! It looks so great, it hurts......... http://www.sbrhs.org/mdmc2w.jpg Jerry

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39379	From: muniman18	Date: 3/10/2006
Subject: link couplers

Evening everyone question ...I'm having a heck of a time trying to keep my cars linked up I remember reading somewhere in these pages that there was aplastic insert that kept them hooked up can anyone help or any other thoughts would be most helpful as always thanks in advance Mike

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39380	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 3/10/2006
Subject: Re: AM Northern Review - How about some inside the tender pics...

Scott, The tender on my AM Northern DC version is just a big empty box. Lots of room for electronic thingys. In order to make an IR tender tether work the electrical pickup and electronics has to be in the loco and the sound unit in the tender. The only thing the IR tether is used for is the trigger signals from the Receiver and Chuff sensor in the Loco. This would take a lot or re-engineering on most locos Carl -----Original Message----- From: Scott Davidson [mailto:scottdee25@...] Sent: Friday, March 10, 2006 3:55 PM To: carl@...; 'STrains' Subject: RE: [S-Trains] RE: AM Northern Review - How about some inside the tender pics... Carl, I like the tether less IR connections between coal tenders and the engine. Is this expensive to produce, I know some High end Lionel 3 rail have it. I assume the power pick up is in the coal tender for the new Northern? How about some inside the tender pics? Thanks for the pics... Scott Dee -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Carl Tuveson Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 7:16 PM To: STrains Subject: [S-Trains] RE: AM Northern Review I have added some internal pictures of the loco to the review. The link is: http://www.tuveson.com/am-northern/am-northern.htm Carl [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39381	From: jjmemmer@aol.com	Date: 3/10/2006
Subject: Re.rocket transport

There are repro flat cars out there.I have one lettered Illinois Central 24577(jet engine transport).They also came in Circus(several colors)and numerous copies of Gilbert flats.They often turn up at train shows.Main differences are in rivet detail and steps,no lettering on the bottom,altho something has been scratched out.Mine ended up with bulkhead ends and a homemade lumber load,makes a nice"runner".I suppose someone might try to pass these off as the real thing.Good luck Jerry [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39382	From: Clay Buckage	Date: 3/10/2006
Subject: Gilbert Get-Together

Harwood and friends, Yes, we voted for an 8:00pm start, however I was unable to contact the appropriate people in a timely fashion in order to get the copy changed in the York Meet Notice before its printing. I will make the Eastern Division Secretary aware at their meeting which is held during York in the old Auction Room adjacent to the Silver Hall. In addition, I will request a periodic announcement during Thursdays activities at the Fairgrounds. Looking forward to seeing everyone again!!! Thanks! -Clay "Who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of men?" "The Shadow Knows!" Clay Buckage Dave's Twacks & Twains Box 388 Tatamy, Pa. 18085 www.davestnt.com clay@... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39383	From: Roy Inman	Date: 3/10/2006
Subject: Re: 4-8-4, etc

Boy does it ever look good! A guy would just about have to have some of those NASG heavyweights to go with... Roy I > From: Jerry Poniatowski <poniaj@...> > Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 01:08:03 +0000 > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] 4-8-4, etc > > Guys, > > For those of you who ordered the AM 4-8-4, here's a great photo from > the San Bernardino Railroad Historical Society site. That loco is > made for heavyweight cars! It looks so great, it hurts......... > > http://www.sbrhs.org/mdmc2w.jpg > > Jerry > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39384	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 3/10/2006
Subject: Re: Thomas Stoltz, you lurking

On Fri, 10 Mar 2006 16:58:55 -0500, Thomas Stoltz wrote: >However, I am not a big fan of closing frog turnouts, which they appear to >be. OK, layman's terms on what that means please? What about the diverging output of the switch being curved vs straight. Back in Atlas HO days I think they called the straight one their "custom" switches, and those got the #4 or #6 identifications, whereas the curved "toy-like" ones were identified by radius. In the end, either you like what you can buy, or go see you and have you make something from scratch... seems those are my choices. Thanks for lurking! ;-) Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39385	From: Charles E. Smith	Date: 3/10/2006
Subject: Re: link couplers

Try this: 1) Make sure all oil is removed from coupler pivots. 2) Wash coupler assembly with diluted liquid detergent (as used for washing dishes by hand) 3) If 1 & 2 are done correctly the couplers will drop FREELY by only their own weight. If not free, redo steps 1 and 2 and work couplers up and down to free them. Carve a negative rake of about 10 deg. on the hook face so couplers can't uncouple without drawing cars together. These steps have worked for me. I run 2 trains with link passenger cars and they have stayed together for months now. Chuck Smith, On matters of style swim with the current. On matters of substance stand like a rock. Thos. Jefferson (may be paraphrased) ----- Original Message ----- From: "muniman18" <muniman18@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, March 10, 2006 8:13 PM Subject: [S-Trains] link couplers > Evening everyone question ...I'm having a heck of a time trying to > keep my cars linked up I remember reading somewhere in these pages > that there was aplastic insert that kept them hooked up can anyone > help or any other thoughts would be most helpful as always > thanks in advance Mike > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39386	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 3/10/2006
Subject: Charter Day in Pennsylvania

Sunday March 12 is "Charter Day" in Pennsylvania. That means that every State owned Museum in Pennyslvania will be open FREE, most from Noon til 5 PM. Includes RailRoad Museum of Pennsylvania (RRMPA) in Strasburg, The Cloisters in Ephrata, the Landis Valley Farm Museum just north of Lancaster, The Cornwall Furnace in Lebanon County etc. This just touches the surface, if you are close or wish to travel, there will lots to see and FREE in PA on Sunday. Jim "See you at RRMPA" Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39387	From: Phil K	Date: 3/10/2006
Subject: Link coupler locks

Mike -- One of the members of my club had those plastic link-locks manufactured awhile back. I'll probably see him next week and inquire as to their continued availablity. If he has some left over, I'll put a note here how to get them. They're not very expensive. He doesn't have email. Phil K **************************************************************** --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "muniman18" <muniman18@...> wrote: > > Evening everyone question ...I'm having a heck of a time trying to > keep my cars linked up I remember reading somewhere in these pages > that there was aplastic insert that kept them hooked up can anyone > help or any other thoughts would be most helpful as always > thanks in advance Mike >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39388	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 3/11/2006
Subject: Re: Thomas Stoltz, you lurking

Hi Michael, Closing frog turnouts have a 'rotating' frog, like Flyer turnouts. In the case of the Am S Ga turnout, the closure and wing rails rotate to control the direction of travel. The AM #4 is an open frog turnout similar to the real ones. From the ASG pictures, it looks like they have a straight section through the frog which would make it a numbered frog (that is #4 or #4 1/2 or whatever), but what it is I can say without measuring. I guess they are trying to indicate you can substitute their turnout for a section of 27" radius track, but again, I wouldn't know without trying it. The AM #4 is a #4 (in my opinion, anyway) and is not meant to be used as a piece of curved track. Tom Stoltz Tom's Turnouts & Trackwork Maine S Gaugers NASG >-----Original Message----- >From: Michael Lueck [mailto:pianoman@...] >Sent: Friday, March 10, 2006 10:15 PM >To: S-Trains; Thomas Stoltz >Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Thomas Stoltz, you lurking > >On Fri, 10 Mar 2006 16:58:55 -0500, Thomas Stoltz wrote: > >>However, I am not a big fan of closing frog turnouts, which they appear to >>be. > >OK, layman's terms on what that means please? > >What about the diverging output of the switch being curved vs straight. Back in >Atlas HO days I think they called the straight one their "custom" switches, and >those got the #4 or #6 identifications, whereas the curved "toy-like" ones were >identified by radius. > >In the end, either you like what you can buy, or go see you and have you make >something from scratch... seems those are my choices. > >Thanks for lurking! ;-) > >Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39389	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 3/11/2006
Subject: Re: Thomas Stoltz, you lurking

Have you ever seen a prototype spring switch. They have a closed frog in one direction. Thank you Larry Jackman ljack70117@... On Mar 11, 2006, at 8:19 AM, Thomas Stoltz wrote: > Hi Michael, > Closing frog turnouts have a 'rotating' frog, like Flyer turnouts. > In the > case of the Am S Ga turnout, the closure and wing rails rotate to > control > the direction of travel. The AM #4 is an open frog turnout similar > to the > real ones. > From the ASG pictures, it looks like they have a straight section > through > the frog which would make it a numbered frog (that is #4 or #4 1/2 or > whatever), but what it is I can say without measuring. I guess > they are > trying to indicate you can substitute their turnout for a section > of 27" > radius track, but again, I wouldn't know without trying it. > The AM #4 is a #4 (in my opinion, anyway) and is not meant to be > used as a > piece of curved track. > Tom Stoltz > Tom's Turnouts & Trackwork > Maine S Gaugers > NASG > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Michael Lueck [mailto:pianoman@...] >> Sent: Friday, March 10, 2006 10:15 PM >> To: S-Trains; Thomas Stoltz >> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Thomas Stoltz, you lurking >> >> On Fri, 10 Mar 2006 16:58:55 -0500, Thomas Stoltz wrote: >> >>> However, I am not a big fan of closing frog turnouts, which they >>> appear to >>> be. >> >> OK, layman's terms on what that means please? >> >> What about the diverging output of the switch being curved vs >> straight. > Back in >> Atlas HO days I think they called the straight one their "custom" >> switches, > and >> those got the #4 or #6 identifications, whereas the curved "toy- >> like" ones > were >> identified by radius. >> >> In the end, either you like what you can buy, or go see you and >> have you > make >> something from scratch... seems those are my choices. >> >> Thanks for lurking! ;-) >> >> Michael > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39390	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 3/11/2006
Subject: Re: Thomas Stoltz, you lurking

Hi Larry, No I haven't, but it does sound cool. Do you have a link where I might see one? As I stated, I am not an expert, I only know a bit about my small niche in the turnout world. Information, knowledge, experience is always welcome-- there is so much to learn. Thank you, Tom Stoltz Tom's Turnouts & Trackwork Maine S Gaugers NASG >-----Original Message----- >From: ljack70117@... [mailto:ljack70117@...] >Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2006 8:49 AM >To: Thomas Stoltz >Cc: 'Michael Lueck'; 'S-Trains' >Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Thomas Stoltz, you lurking > >Have you ever seen a prototype spring switch. They have a closed frog >in one direction. >Thank you >Larry Jackman >ljack70117@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39391	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 3/11/2006
Subject: Re: Thomas Stoltz, you lurking

Thanks much for the elaboration on the details. Filed and saved! Maybe someday we can all hook up an a S show somewhere, have samples from all of the S vendors, and learn hands on. Until then... :-) Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39392	From: srgriggs	Date: 3/11/2006
Subject: LED's for AF equipment

While in the process of refurbishing a 17B and 19B transformer for my layout's control panel, I wanted to avoid the problem of melted green indicator jewels. The March issue of CTT included a review of AC- compatible LED replacements for bayonnet and screw-in incandenscent light bulbs. These are being sold by a company called Scotts Odds n Ends (http://www.scottsodds-n-ends.com/). The beauty of these LED bulbs is that 1) they give off negligible heat and 2) they can be expected to operate for 100,000 hours. The downside is that they are expensive ($4-5) per bulb. I ordered the clear focused lens with bayonnet base for my transformers and just received them yesterday. Although the light is a bit bluish compared to the yellow glow of an incandescent, they look very good under the jeweled light covers and give off no detectable heat. I also ordered a few other types of bulbs in hopes of eliminating the heat in my operating accessories that remain lit all the time like the 761 semaphore. I ordered some of their inverted lens screw-in base lights, but the brightest part of the light didn't line up with the lenses and it was not bright enough (the inverted lens is designed to let the light shine out of the side of the bulb). So, for now I don't have a good solution for the 761 other than the old type incandescent. I will try the inverted lens bulbs in some of my AF engines. Scott

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39393	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 3/11/2006
Subject: Re: Thomas Stoltz, you lurking

I will see what I can find. They are used where there is a lot of trailing movement through the switch. The points are on springs set for track A and the trailing movement from track B, the wheels will push the frog and points open as they pass through with out damage to the switch. Then they reset themselves for track A Thank you Larry Jackman ljack70117@... On Mar 11, 2006, at 9:01 AM, Thomas Stoltz wrote: > Hi Larry, > No I haven't, but it does sound cool. Do you have a link where I > might see > one? As I stated, I am not an expert, I only know a bit about my > small > niche in the turnout world. Information, knowledge, experience is > always > welcome-- there is so much to learn. > Thank you, > Tom Stoltz > Tom's Turnouts & Trackwork > Maine S Gaugers > NASG > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: ljack70117@... [mailto:ljack70117@...] >> Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2006 8:49 AM >> To: Thomas Stoltz >> Cc: 'Michael Lueck'; 'S-Trains' >> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Thomas Stoltz, you lurking >> >> Have you ever seen a prototype spring switch. They have a closed frog >> in one direction. >> Thank you >> Larry Jackman >> ljack70117@... > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39394	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 3/11/2006
Subject: Train Show, 3/12/2006, 11:00 am

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 39395	From: tradercraig2005	Date: 3/11/2006
Subject: help identify ...

We run an antique+odd item shop in northern minesota...client has complete AmFlyer train set, engine model 300....havent been able to see if this was a special one or not....can anyone give me a clue?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39396	From: Gerald Dobbs	Date: 3/11/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2984

HELP: I am looking for Prewar Flyer passenger car roofs for #1306 cars. Model Engineering Works which listed this item in there catalog must have went out of business??? no response from E-mail or phone calls. Any one know of a source??? or have some old cars. The roof measures 2" x 6 1/2" . Thanks Jerry 77-11644

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39397	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 3/11/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2985

In a message dated 3/11/2006 10:04:50 AM Eastern Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes: Message: 12 Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 01:13:29 -0000 From: "muniman18" <muniman18@...> Subject: link couplers Mike, I file mine at about 5 degrees, give or take, and round them in the upper notch with a small round file. This suggestion is based on someone who passed it to me a few years ago. I'm a TV addict, so when I'm watching at night, I'll take a couple I haven't done yet and file and Presto, it's done. Good luck. Carlton [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39398	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 3/11/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2985

Scott, Lionel holds the patents on IR tethers -- they did it first -- so these tethers only appear on Lionel-built engines. Hence, the AF Mikados are the only S gauge engines to have this nifty feature which looks a lot better than a bunch of wires going into the back of a cab. Carl, thanks for posting the fine PICS. This is all a lot of us have since AM is being rather slow in shipping the Northerns to their various customers. Bob Bubeck In a message dated 3/11/2006 10:04:51 AM Eastern Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes: Carl, I like the tether less IR connections between coal tenders and the engine. Is this expensive to produce, I know some High end Lionel 3 rail have it. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39399	From: Gerald Dobbs	Date: 3/11/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2985

Subject: Link coupler locks. I have made several different types. the easiest for nonelectric cars is to use a small paper clip ( between the links ) on the pins, takes a little practice to hook them together, but the cars won't come apart. I believe I have seen plastic paper clips at office supply stores?? On my electric cars I use a small plastic bar with holes drilled in each end for the pins. Jerry 77-11644

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39400	From: Bob Hannon	Date: 3/11/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2984 - Model Engineering Works

Gerry: Model Engineering Works is still alive & well. I've found that calling between 10-11 A.M. and 2-3 P.M. gets Barry Higgenbotham on the phone. Maybe that's the time frame he turns off his stamping (or maybe other) production equipment. You did call his shop line, right?: 870-887-6009. I never tried his e-mail address. Bob Hannon > > Message: 4 > Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 09:27:34 -0700 > From: Gerald Dobbs <grdobbs@...> > Subject: Re: Digest Number 2984 > > > HELP: I am looking for Prewar Flyer passenger car roofs for #1306 cars. > Model Engineering Works which listed this item in there catalog must have > went out of business??? no response from E-mail or phone calls. Any one > know of a source??? or have some old cars. The roof measures > 2" x 6 1/2" . > Thanks Jerry 77-11644 > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39401	From: Roger Delthony	Date: 3/11/2006
Subject: Model Engineering Works

Jerry, They were in business about a month ago. I called in January and someone answered. I then sent $6 for a catalog. When I didn't receive the catalog after about two weeks, I called to see if they received my payment. Someone answered again, and said that they had received the payment, but didn't offer that the catalog would be sent out promptly. It eventually came a week or two after that call. Customer relations doesn't seem to be their forte. Roger Delthony

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39403	From: Ted Walton	Date: 3/11/2006
Subject: Subject headings

Mr Moderator If it's not too strong a word, or to unfriendly, could we not "insist" that a more informative SUBJECT heading be used in the emails. For example: "Thomas Stoltz, you lurking" or "Digest Number 2984" just don't tell us much. I know just hitting reply is pretty easy to do without making appropriate changes in the SUBJECT heading, but when trying to check what to read, or do a search of the subject archives for information, the above don't help. Even if some one starts out with a non-descriptive SUBJECT heading (I've done it myself), couldn't one of the initial responders keep the initial subject heading and then add a more descriptive title which could then be picked up by others? Sorry if I offended anyone but getting a couple 100 emails a day ( not all from here) with poor or no subject headings makes you want to scream after a couple hours. Thanks, Ted Walton ---------- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.2.0/276 - Release Date: 3/7/2006 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39404	From: knockbill	Date: 3/11/2006
Subject: York bandit meets

Hi What is the status of the pre-TCA bandit meets at York? I've seen flyers for the Fire hall & Best Western, but am wondering about the 2 Holiday Inns....Anyone here have tables, either inside or out at the bandit meets? Thanks for the info.... John

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39405	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 3/11/2006
Subject: Sunday Chat, 3/12/2006, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 39406	From: Jim Marski	Date: 3/11/2006
Subject: Open House

All, I will be hosting an open house for members of the Rocky Mountain Division of the TCA on Saturday April 8th. I am in the Denver, Colorado area and am inviting any local or visiting List members as well. If you'd like to come, email me directly at marski@... Jim Marski --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39407	From: Roy Inman	Date: 3/11/2006
Subject: Re: Photos of AM 4-8-4 Northern

Very impressive indeed Allen! I sure like the paint job on the Rock Island version. Roy I > From: Allen Evans <allen.evans@...> > Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 23:44:04 +0000 > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] Photos of AM 4-8-4 Northern > > I have uploaded images of this locomotive so you can get a rough idea > of just how huge it is. > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39408	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 3/11/2006
Subject: Re: York bandit meets

Depends on the weather..... all indoor meets will start on Monday. tue. wed..... If its clear the Best western and the 2 HI parking lot meets will open up too...... Suggestion..... instead of us running all over town...... why can't the halls be rented on mon, tue, wed????? all indoors.... then those who are setting up thur , fri , and sat are already there..... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "knockbill" <jdefelice@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2006 6:53 PM Subject: [S-Trains] York bandit meets > Hi > What is the status of the pre-TCA bandit meets at York? I've seen > flyers for the Fire hall & Best Western, but am wondering about the 2 > Holiday Inns....Anyone here have tables, either inside or out at the > bandit meets? > Thanks for the info.... > John > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39409	From: Bruce D. Willis	Date: 3/11/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2985 - link coupler modification

I just use an Exacto Pencil knife to carve it back and round the top of the notch. It only takes a couple seconds and is cleaner than filing. - Bruce --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Crpntr12449@... wrote: > > In a message dated 3/11/2006 10:04:50 AM Eastern Standard Time, > S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes: > > Message: 12 > Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 01:13:29 -0000 > From: "muniman18" <muniman18@...> > Subject: link couplers > > Mike, I file mine at about 5 degrees, give or take, and round them in the > upper notch with a small round file. This suggestion is based on someone who > passed it to me a few years ago. I'm a TV addict, so when I'm watching at > night, I'll take a couple I haven't done yet and file and Presto, it's done. Good > luck. > > Carlton

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39410	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 3/11/2006
Subject: Rectifiers

Good evening. Yes, I am a month behind. Phil, you have one error. The rectifier for the Flyer E-Unit must be placed between the wheels and the reverse unit. If you put it between the reverse unit and the motor, the rectifier will eliminate anything done by the reverse unit and the motor will rotate in only one direction! Have a great evening! Thorin Milwaukee, WI ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 18 Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 02:29:51 -0000 From: "Phil K" <waldootten@...> Subject: Re: S N S Can Motor Instructions > Can someone please email me installation instructions for the DC can > motors from S N S. I know they are drop in but I'm not sure of the > wiring part. > Thanks, > David The wiring is pretty simple. If you are running an AC transformer, you need to install a rectifier or Dallee reverse unit between the track power and the can motor, usually in the tender. If you use a rectifier tied in with the Flyer E-unit, connect the two wires on the can motor to the two DC outputs on the rectifier. If using a Dallee electronic reverse unit, connect the two wires on the can motor to the appropriate wires on the Dallee unit (which has a built-in rectifier circuit). If your train's first movement is in reverse, switch the wires. If you are running a DC operation, connect the two wires on the can motor to the two leads off the track (thru the tender pickups). That's about it in a nutshell, if I remember correctly. Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39411	From: nyc17819@aol.com	Date: 3/11/2006
Subject: Spring switches, etc.

There seems to be a little bit of confusion about spring switches and spring frogs. Spring switches are sprung so that they always guide a train onto the same track, but can be run-through (trailing through the point) from the "wrong" track without derailing. Some have springs and some have weights attached to a cable that pulls on the switch to keep it properly aligned. When a train goes through the wrong way, the spring flexes or the weight rises. Many spring switches have a damper that prevents the switch from snapping back instantly, so the additional wheels after the first do not have to push the switch all the way over again. Some single-track interurban trolley lines used spring switches at both ends of passing tracks, so that cars could meet each other and pass without having to throw any switches. The cars would always move to the right through the facing end of the switch, and then trail through the switch at the other end of the siding. If the car reversed after it passed the end of the siding, it would be guided onto the other track. A run-through switch can be run through from either side, regardless of which way it's aligned, but it stays in the last position it was run through. A spring frog is a different animal altogether. It has a flangeway on the mainline side, and the frog wing rail on the other side pushes up against the heart of the frog (using springs) so there is no flangeway on that side. If a train goes down the diverging side of the turnout, the flanges push the wing rail aside so it opens up and creates a flangeway for the flanges to pass through. A guard rail is absolutely necessary for this or the trains would derail. Spring frogs provide a better ride for trains on the main track, because there is no flangeway to bounce through. At one time, in the 1930s and 1940s, spring frogs were very popular, but as time wore on, the higher maintenance of the moving parts, and the possibility of derailments even on the mainline side, made them less favorable and many railroads removed them. Recently, they have started to come back in favor, in part because of improved manufacturing, and partly because of the need for better ride quality. They are generally used only for industrial sidings where the traffic on the diverging side is small compared to the mainline side. Spring switches are very useful in model railroading, but spring frogs in my opinion have no value in model railroads and would probably quickly lead to additional derailments. Chris Harding

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39412	From: lember2004	Date: 3/11/2006
Subject: AF sellers locations at York

I'll be attending my first York next month and was curious if the AF sellers' tables are bunched together or are they spread at random among all the O-scale and other sellers? Thanks. Mark

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39413	From: G. Elems	Date: 3/11/2006
Subject: Poll

Hello, I've opened a poll to find out what kind of interest there maybe in a brass 70 tonner. My experience with Rich Yoder's O scale version has been great. A smooth running engine and well made. It negotiates sharp turnouts in O which is perfect for small switching type layouts. I think this engine would be a natural in S. Price will be dependent on the number made and hopefully in the $375 - $425, based on volume. Thanks for taking a look at the poll and voting. Greg Elems [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39414	From: Don Thompson	Date: 3/12/2006
Subject: Re: AF sellers locations at York

Dear Mark, It is worse than that as there are many buildings and everyone is everywhere. Most of the dealers with new stuff are in the orange hall. That is where we (SHS) are as well as Putt (Rex line), Dallee (reverse and sound units), Lionel, K-Line (maybe not anymore), Arttista (figures). All Aboard (smoke fluid, etc.), Joe's Train Repair (AF parts, etc.) Bill Parr (Mostly new S gauge trains). The purple hall has Port Lines (AF parts as well as a complete line of other stuff). In the Red hall you will find Luara and Gary Clark (anything in AF trains), the White hall is John Heck (AF trains), John Wickland (AF trains) and Any Jugle (AF paper). I know I am missing a lot of friends, please forgive it is early on Sunday morning. Don Thompson lember2004 wrote: >I'll be attending my first York next month and was curious if the AF >sellers' tables are bunched together or are they spread at random among >all the O-scale and other sellers? >Thanks. >Mark > > > > > > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >Enjoy thousands of great photos >at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39415	From: Gerald Dobbs	Date: 3/12/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2986

Message: 7 Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 10:00:03 -0700 From: Gerald Dobbs <grdobbs@...> Subject: Re: Digest Number 2985 Subject: Link coupler locks. I have made several different types. the easiest for nonelectric cars is to use a small paper clip ( between the links ) on the pins, takes a little practice to hook them together, but the cars won't come apart. I believe I have seen plastic paper clips at office supply stores?? On my electric cars I use a small plastic bar with holes drilled in each end for the pins. Jerry 77-11644 P.S Forgot to mention that a small rubber band approximately 5/8" diameter linking the coupler pins together works well, and is much easier to install.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39416	From: Craig Loughery	Date: 3/12/2006
Subject: wow swift replies about the model 300 ...

Wow we got some swift replies on our question about the model 300 AmFlyer train set....want to thank those who answered; compliment this club on its close attention and quick activity... we will make a list of the cars and engine, etc, even has several booklets, etc...and repost soon...we would sooner see this go to a devoted hobbiest than just into someones closet... thanks again- Trader Craig --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39417	From: geep39	Date: 3/12/2006
Subject: Re: York Bandit Meets

Someone suggested that the halls be rented Mon, Tue, and Wed for the "Bandit" meets. Are you out of your cotton-pickin' mind? TCA HATES the bandit meets, as indicated by the "clever" idea of having dealer set-up on Wednesday afternoon. The real laugh is that you see pretty much the same stuff at the bandit meets on tables at the "real" York meet. With fairness to the York Meet Committee, you have to take into consideration that the meet requires considerable time to set up, so I'm sure the idea wouldn't work. I suggested to a member of this group who was distributing flyers for the Fire Hall bandit meet to rubber stamp "BANDIT" in red on those flyers.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39418	From: fleskovitz	Date: 3/12/2006
Subject: Erector Cars

Hello all--I have just posted some pics of a "A.C. Gilbert Erector" Tank and Box Car that I recently made myself if anyone is interested in taking a look. Frank

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39419	From: Richard Clouse	Date: 3/12/2006
Subject: AM Northern and TMCC--A Pleasant Surprise

For those of you who have TMCC on your layouts but who have not as yet converted AM's New Northern--I had a pleasant surprise yesterday on my layout. The Northern's electronics can function from your TMCC controller, as follows: The "whistle" button will actually sound the bell (and what a bell---it sounds like somebody is banging on a skillet!); The "bell" button will sound the whistle (cool whistle); The Direction button will cycle the reverse unit without having to work the throttle. The "Boost" button will boost the speed, and then return the speed to the prior setting when you take your finger off the button (good for mountain climbing). The "Brake" button will slow the engine to a full stop if you hold it long enough, or just momentarily slow it if you press it for a shorter time. "AUX 1 + Keypad #9" will make the engine move at top speed; "Aux 1 + Keypad 8" will slow it. (Those commands on the Flyonel Mike will start and stop the smoke generator--I just was experimenting with the Northern to see if a similar result would occur). FYI I have the AC high-rail version of the Northern. I was pretty stoked when I found out how much the TMCC system controlled the Northern, as I will not now have to pay for conversion. I mean, there are still limitations, for instance I can't do advance programming like creating lash-ups, or adjusting momentum and stall speeds and the like, but I do have enough control to allow me to operate the "bells and whistles" as well as to allow operation on the same track with another TMCC equipped engine. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39420	From: Mike Vana	Date: 3/12/2006
Subject: Did Any Other Ebay buyers get a message like this?

Regarding my question a while back about the message from Trainz about them selling a guy's trains by mistake, several people asked to be posted as to the outcome, and so, here's the rest of the story: I responded to the guy thru Trainz that I would swap the item - an orange stripe 962 dome car - for another one if he found one, and he is agreeable to that. I think that is a good compromise. Attached is his response. I am convinced that the story is indeed legitimate. Interestingly, the last 900 series car I did not have was this one. I offered to even help him find another orange stripe 962 if he wanted the help. And if someone wants to help me help him, let me know. Mike Vana Omaha, NE. ************************************************** Hi Mike, Thanks for your reply, and I'm sorry for the long delay in my response, but I've had a lot of emails to reply to. I'll look for another, but it will take me a while - as long as I know you don't plan to resell it. Our family was originally all from the Long Island - NYC area. Jack moved to South Dakota back in 1976-77. He was a probation officer in Pine Ridge for a while, and then moved to Rapid City around 1979, and bought a place out in the Black Hills. He continued to coach football for the Reservation team for many years after he moved to Rapid City. Anyway, he was far removed physically from the rest of the family, and the rest of us got out to his place only a few times - we used to all get together at my parents' house in Florida, from about 1982 on. He was married and divorced in the 70's, and finally remarried in Rapid City in 1993. When he died, it was very unexpected, and he had a house full of 'stuff', some of which was mine that he was storing for me. We had no means of staying close by until everything was sorted out, and relied on phone calls and letters to identify what was ours, but apparently everything was sold before we even found out. Well, that's the story - I'm trying to recover what I can - mostly the old Lionels we used to play with as kids. Jack also had American Flyers, and that may be one of his from the 50's, or he may have bought it later on. If I can find a replacement over the next few months, I'll get in touch. Thanks so much for your concern. Sincerely, Ken Warburton

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39421	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 3/12/2006
Subject: Re: AM Northern and TMCC--A Pleasant Surprise

Richard, I assume you are using a Powermaster or TPC controller not controlling with the command base so it running in the conventional mode. Carl -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Richard Clouse Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2006 2:13 PM To: s trains Subject: [S-Trains] AM Northern and TMCC--A Pleasant Surprise For those of you who have TMCC on your layouts but who have not as yet converted AM's New Northern--I had a pleasant surprise yesterday on my layout. The Northern's electronics can function from your TMCC controller, as follows: The "whistle" button will actually sound the bell (and what a bell---it sounds like somebody is banging on a skillet!); The "bell" button will sound the whistle (cool whistle); The Direction button will cycle the reverse unit without having to work the throttle. The "Boost" button will boost the speed, and then return the speed to the prior setting when you take your finger off the button (good for mountain climbing). The "Brake" button will slow the engine to a full stop if you hold it long enough, or just momentarily slow it if you press it for a shorter time. "AUX 1 + Keypad #9" will make the engine move at top speed; "Aux 1 + Keypad 8" will slow it. (Those commands on the Flyonel Mike will start and stop the smoke generator--I just was experimenting with the Northern to see if a similar result would occur). FYI I have the AC high-rail version of the Northern. I was pretty stoked when I found out how much the TMCC system controlled the Northern, as I will not now have to pay for conversion. I mean, there are still limitations, for instance I can't do advance programming like creating lash-ups, or adjusting momentum and stall speeds and the like, but I do have enough control to allow me to operate the "bells and whistles" as well as to allow operation on the same track with another TMCC equipped engine. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39422	From: Don	Date: 3/12/2006
Subject: #770 baggage handling platform

If I place more than two baggage squares in the spring loaded baggage ready to load position, the baggage squares seem to have too much friction between them to send down the loading ramp properly. They work individually. Any suggestions how to "slick up" the baggage squares and the loading ramp to the car? Any help would be appreciated.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39423	From: Richard Clouse	Date: 3/12/2006
Subject: Re: AM Northern and TMCC--A Pleasant Surprise

Yes--TPC controller set to conventional mode. Carl Tuveson <carl@...> wrote: Richard, I assume you are using a Powermaster or TPC controller not controlling with the command base so it running in the conventional mode. Carl -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Richard Clouse Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2006 2:13 PM To: s trains Subject: [S-Trains] AM Northern and TMCC--A Pleasant Surprise For those of you who have TMCC on your layouts but who have not as yet converted AM's New Northern--I had a pleasant surprise yesterday on my layout. The Northern's electronics can function from your TMCC controller, as follows: The "whistle" button will actually sound the bell (and what a bell---it sounds like somebody is banging on a skillet!); The "bell" button will sound the whistle (cool whistle); The Direction button will cycle the reverse unit without having to work the throttle. The "Boost" button will boost the speed, and then return the speed to the prior setting when you take your finger off the button (good for mountain climbing). The "Brake" button will slow the engine to a full stop if you hold it long enough, or just momentarily slow it if you press it for a shorter time. "AUX 1 + Keypad #9" will make the engine move at top speed; "Aux 1 + Keypad 8" will slow it. (Those commands on the Flyonel Mike will start and stop the smoke generator--I just was experimenting with the Northern to see if a similar result would occur). FYI I have the AC high-rail version of the Northern. I was pretty stoked when I found out how much the TMCC system controlled the Northern, as I will not now have to pay for conversion. I mean, there are still limitations, for instance I can't do advance programming like creating lash-ups, or adjusting momentum and stall speeds and the like, but I do have enough control to allow me to operate the "bells and whistles" as well as to allow operation on the same track with another TMCC equipped engine. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links CIHIGOYENETCHE, GROSSBERG & CLOUSE Richard R.Clouse | Cihigoyenetche, Grossberg & Clouse | http://www.cgclaw.com 8038 Haven Ave. | Suite E | Rancho Cucamonga, CA 91730 Vox: 909.483.1850 | Fax: 909.483.1840 | E-mail: RiClouse@... - ATTORNEY_CLIENT COMMUNICATION - This communication constitutes an electronic communication within the meaning of the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 USC 2510, and its disclosure is strictly limited to the recipient intended by the sender of this message. This communication contains confidential and privileged material, is protected by the attorney-client and/or the attorney/work product privileges and is for the sole use of the intended recipient and receipt by anyone other than the intended recipient does not constitute a loss of the confidential or privileged nature of the communication. Any review or distribution by others is strictly prohibited. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39424	From: keefer1	Date: 3/12/2006
Subject: Re: Did Any Other Ebay buyers get a message like this?

I agree Mike, I had a lengthy conversation with Ken , he seems like a very nice guy. I recommended he join the list, it may help him track down some items. Unfortunately the only item I had , I resold. The guy I resold it to had no interest in paring with the car, even though it was certainly not a collectors piece,and Ken implied he was willing to pay fair profits. Keith --- Mike Vana <amflyer@...> wrote: > Regarding my question a while back about the message > from Trainz > about them selling a guy's trains by mistake, > several people asked to > be posted as to the outcome, and so, here's the rest > of the story: > > I responded to the guy thru Trainz that I would swap > the item - an > orange stripe 962 dome car - for another one if he > found one, and > he is agreeable to that. I think that is a good > compromise. Attached > is his response. I am convinced that the story is > indeed legitimate. > > Interestingly, the last 900 series car I did not > have was this one. > I offered to even help him find another orange > stripe 962 if he wanted > the help. And if someone wants to help me help him, > let me know. > > Mike Vana Omaha, NE. > > ************************************************** > > Hi Mike, > > Thanks for your reply, and I'm sorry for the long > delay in my response, but > I've had a lot of emails to reply to. > > I'll look for another, but it will take me a while - > as long as I know you > don't plan to resell it. > > Our family was originally all from the Long Island - > NYC area. Jack moved to > South Dakota back in 1976-77. He was a probation > officer in Pine Ridge for a > while, and then moved to Rapid City around 1979, and > bought a place out in > the Black Hills. He continued to coach football for > the Reservation team > for many years after he moved to Rapid City. Anyway, > he was far removed > physically from the rest of the family, and the rest > of us got out to his > place only a few times - we used to all get together > at my parents' house in > Florida, from about 1982 on. He was married and > divorced in the 70's, and > finally remarried in Rapid City in 1993. When he > died, it was very > unexpected, and he had a house full of 'stuff', some > of which was mine that > he was storing for me. We had no means of staying > close by until everything > was sorted out, and relied on phone calls and > letters to identify what was > ours, but apparently everything was sold before we > even found out. > > Well, that's the story - I'm trying to recover what > I can - mostly the old > Lionels we used to play with as kids. Jack also had > American Flyers, and > that may be one of his from the 50's, or he may have > bought it later on. If > I can find a replacement over the next few months, > I'll get in touch. > > Thanks so much for your concern. > > Sincerely, > Ken Warburton > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39425	From: srgriggs	Date: 3/12/2006
Subject: Re: AM Northern and TMCC--A Pleasant Surprise

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Richard Clouse <riclouse@...> wrote: > > For those of you who have TMCC on your layouts but who have not as yet converted AM's New Northern--I had a pleasant surprise yesterday on my layout. The Northern's electronics can function from your TMCC controller, as follows: > > The "whistle" button will actually sound the bell (and what a bell---it sounds like somebody is banging on a skillet!); > The "bell" button will sound the whistle (cool whistle); > > The Direction button will cycle the reverse unit without having to work the throttle. > > The "Boost" button will boost the speed, and then return the speed to the prior setting when you take your finger off the button (good for mountain climbing). > > The "Brake" button will slow the engine to a full stop if you hold it long enough, or just momentarily slow it if you press it for a shorter time. > > "AUX 1 + Keypad #9" will make the engine move at top speed; "Aux 1 + Keypad 8" will slow it. (Those commands on the Flyonel Mike will start and stop the smoke generator--I just was experimenting with the Northern to see if a similar result would occur). > > FYI I have the AC high-rail version of the Northern. > > I was pretty stoked when I found out how much the TMCC system controlled the Northern, as I will not now have to pay for conversion. I mean, there are still limitations, for instance I can't do advance programming like creating lash-ups, or adjusting momentum and stall speeds and the like, but I do have enough control to allow me to operate the "bells and whistles" as well as to allow operation on the same track with another TMCC equipped engine. Richard, A TMCC CAB1 and PowerMaster will let you run pretty much any conventional AC-powered train in the manner you describe. You can run any American Models or Lionel Flyer locomotive with sound and control its sound functions with the bell and whistle buttons. In fact, if you want the bell button to correspond with the bell function (and so on with the whistle) you just need to reverse the wires at the PowerMaster terminals or turn the engine the opposite direction on the track. Good old AC Gilbert postwar Flyer will respond to the "brake", "boost", and "direction" buttons as well. There is also a function that can be programmed into the CAB1 to provide a user-determined minimum voltage level to the track (even when the speed knob has been turned down all the way) to prevent the sequence reverse unit from cycling. This is just like the feature on the Gilbert Dead Man Control transformers or Lockout Eliminator. The CAB1 whistle/bell buttons will even blow the whistle on my 314AW. The TMCC handheld will not operate the sound or light features on an S Helper F3 locomotive because those engines use a digital control system (Locomatic). Scott

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39426	From: Richard Clouse	Date: 3/12/2006
Subject: Re: AM Northern and TMCC--A Pleasant Surprise

Thanks for the info. I am passing it along to the group. srgriggs <sgriggs@...> wrote: --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Richard Clouse wrote: > > For those of you who have TMCC on your layouts but who have not as yet converted AM's New Northern--I had a pleasant surprise yesterday on my layout. The Northern's electronics can function from your TMCC controller, as follows: > > The "whistle" button will actually sound the bell (and what a bell---it sounds like somebody is banging on a skillet!); > The "bell" button will sound the whistle (cool whistle); > > The Direction button will cycle the reverse unit without having to work the throttle. > > The "Boost" button will boost the speed, and then return the speed to the prior setting when you take your finger off the button (good for mountain climbing). > > The "Brake" button will slow the engine to a full stop if you hold it long enough, or just momentarily slow it if you press it for a shorter time. > > "AUX 1 + Keypad #9" will make the engine move at top speed; "Aux 1 + Keypad 8" will slow it. (Those commands on the Flyonel Mike will start and stop the smoke generator--I just was experimenting with the Northern to see if a similar result would occur). > > FYI I have the AC high-rail version of the Northern. > > I was pretty stoked when I found out how much the TMCC system controlled the Northern, as I will not now have to pay for conversion. I mean, there are still limitations, for instance I can't do advance programming like creating lash-ups, or adjusting momentum and stall speeds and the like, but I do have enough control to allow me to operate the "bells and whistles" as well as to allow operation on the same track with another TMCC equipped engine. Richard, A TMCC CAB1 and PowerMaster will let you run pretty much any conventional AC-powered train in the manner you describe. You can run any American Models or Lionel Flyer locomotive with sound and control its sound functions with the bell and whistle buttons. In fact, if you want the bell button to correspond with the bell function (and so on with the whistle) you just need to reverse the wires at the PowerMaster terminals or turn the engine the opposite direction on the track. Good old AC Gilbert postwar Flyer will respond to the "brake", "boost", and "direction" buttons as well. There is also a function that can be programmed into the CAB1 to provide a user-determined minimum voltage level to the track (even when the speed knob has been turned down all the way) to prevent the sequence reverse unit from cycling. This is just like the feature on the Gilbert Dead Man Control transformers or Lockout Eliminator. The CAB1 whistle/bell buttons will even blow the whistle on my 314AW. The TMCC handheld will not operate the sound or light features on an S Helper F3 locomotive because those engines use a digital control system (Locomatic). Scott S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links CIHIGOYENETCHE, GROSSBERG & CLOUSE Richard R.Clouse | Cihigoyenetche, Grossberg & Clouse | http://www.cgclaw.com 8038 Haven Ave. | Suite E | Rancho Cucamonga, CA 91730 Vox: 909.483.1850 | Fax: 909.483.1840 | E-mail: RiClouse@... - ATTORNEY_CLIENT COMMUNICATION - This communication constitutes an electronic communication within the meaning of the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 USC 2510, and its disclosure is strictly limited to the recipient intended by the sender of this message. This communication contains confidential and privileged material, is protected by the attorney-client and/or the attorney/work product privileges and is for the sole use of the intended recipient and receipt by anyone other than the intended recipient does not constitute a loss of the confidential or privileged nature of the communication. Any review or distribution by others is strictly prohibited. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39427	From: Roy Inman	Date: 3/12/2006
Subject: Re: AM Northern and TMCC--A Pleasant Surprise

Wow, that is pretty exciting news! I too will be interested to hear in which mode you are running Richard. I am expecting my AC hirail version any minute now... Roy I > From: Carl Tuveson <carl@...> > Reply-To: carl@... > Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 14:24:58 -0500 > To: RiClouse@..., s trains <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> > Subject: RE: [S-Trains] AM Northern and TMCC--A Pleasant Surprise > > Richard, > > I assume you are using a Powermaster or TPC controller not controlling with > the command base so it running in the conventional mode. > > > Carl > > -----Original Message----- > From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On > Behalf Of Richard Clouse > Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2006 2:13 PM > To: s trains > Subject: [S-Trains] AM Northern and TMCC--A Pleasant Surprise > > > For those of you who have TMCC on your layouts but who have not as yet > converted AM's New Northern--I had a pleasant surprise yesterday on my > layout. The Northern's electronics can function from your TMCC controller, > as follows: > > The "whistle" button will actually sound the bell (and what a bell---it > sounds like somebody is banging on a skillet!); > The "bell" button will sound the whistle (cool whistle); > > The Direction button will cycle the reverse unit without having to work > the throttle. > > The "Boost" button will boost the speed, and then return the speed to the > prior setting when you take your finger off the button (good for mountain > climbing). > > The "Brake" button will slow the engine to a full stop if you hold it long > enough, or just momentarily slow it if you press it for a shorter time. > > "AUX 1 + Keypad #9" will make the engine move at top speed; "Aux 1 + > Keypad 8" will slow it. (Those commands on the Flyonel Mike will start and > stop the smoke generator--I just was experimenting with the Northern to see > if a similar result would occur). > > FYI I have the AC high-rail version of the Northern. > > I was pretty stoked when I found out how much the TMCC system controlled > the Northern, as I will not now have to pay for conversion. I mean, there > are still limitations, for instance I can't do advance programming like > creating lash-ups, or adjusting momentum and stall speeds and the like, but > I do have enough control to allow me to operate the "bells and whistles" as > well as to allow operation on the same track with another TMCC equipped > engine. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39428	From: Robert E. Yablonski	Date: 3/12/2006
Subject: AM 4-8-4 Northern

I purchased two, a Santa Fe and a Burlington. Both are beautiful. Neither will negotiate my rather tight 20" radius curves. They get stuck in the curve just as the 4th driver starts into the radius. Other than that they are fine models (scale of course).

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39429	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 3/12/2006
Subject: Sunday Chat, 3/12/2006, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 39430	From: George Cohn	Date: 3/12/2006
Subject: AF 759 Danger Bell

I'm starting to clean up and play with my AF trains from the '50's and I noticed that both of my 759 Danger Signals have cracked brass bells. I've checked most of the vendors catalogs and can't seem to find a replacement part. Anyone make this part or a good substitute? G Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39431	From: amtrains42	Date: 3/12/2006
Subject: Dimmers

Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 20:36:08 -0800 (PST) From: "wc johnson" <amtrains42@...> View Contact Details Add Mobile Alert Subject: Re: [S-Trains] My last word on dimmers To: "Alistair McAllister" <alizoo@...> Hello to all who have been following this thread. I am Bill Johnson and this is my first reply on this board. I have been an electronic technician for approximately 45 years since I received my electronic training in the U. S. Air Force. For about half of that time I worked in process controls and transportation controls industries. This thread has been interesting to me from a technical stand point. I did some checking on the web today on dimmers. IMHO the best kind of dimmer for this application would be the type used to control a ceiling fan or magnetic low voltage lighting as these dimmers are designed to supply an inductive load. The type dimmer that controls a regular light bulb has an output waveform that doesn't chop the sine wave at the proper levels to limit the current through a transformer the way it should. Therefore, if it is desired to run the train at a slow speed (IE Low voltage output from the transformer) the transformer would tend to heat up due to the fact that the only thing that limits the current through the primary of the transformer is the winding's resistance. Alistair you are correct about your opinion of auto-transformers. I worked at power supply design evaluation for two or three years of my career. I used to use them to vary the supply voltage +/- 10% to check the regulation of units under test These devices should never be applied to a device that is not designed to accept the full voltage applied across the entire auto-transformer winding. Like you say, it is a recipe for disaster to do otherwise. Besides universal motors like the type A. C. Gilbert used are not to too fussy about the waveform that they get. Can you imagine what a waveform would look like on an oscilloscope if it were measured across a locomotive's pickup contacts. Every time you see an arc at the pickup the sine wave gets loaded with spikes which incidentally an AM radio nearby picks up as static. I hope this information can be useful to someone. Bill Alistair McAllister <alizoo@...> wrote: Just seems to me there are two kinds of people in this argument - those who have used them (and found no problems) and those who have not used them and say they won't work or cause problems in theory. I am reminded of a friend in a car club years ago with some college engineering subjects. He claimed cavetation in car heads due to too rapid a water flow could not take place from his calculations. all the mechanics he talked to laughed at him! Practical experience had proven otherwise to them. Again thanks to all! Alistair

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39432	From: Mark Preman	Date: 3/13/2006
Subject: American Flyer Trains For Sale - More!!!

I have just updated the list again with a sizable collection of vintage Gilbert. Shop till you drop! Mark(your list sponsor) The list can be found at http://www.americanflyertrains.com Mark B. Preman AmericanFlyerTrains.com --------------------------------- Brings words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39433	From: JOHN EICHMANN	Date: 3/13/2006
Subject: Happy S Day

Friends-- The Rocky Mountain Hi-Railers would like to be the first to wish you a Happy S Day this Thursday, March 16 (3/16). Celebrate by taking a train to lunch. ;-) If any of you are in the Boise, Idaho area this month, you are invited to visit us at the Great Western and Atlantic Train Show on March 25-26. The Rocky Mountain Hi-Railers will be displaying our *NEW - IMPROVED* layout, Lookout Junction. The show will be held at the Western Idaho Fairgrounds at the intersection of Chinden and Glenwood. Go to the GWAATS website for a map and discount coupon. http://www.greatamericantrainshow.com/schedule/index.htm YourS, John Eichmann RMHR Boise

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39434	From: knockbill	Date: 3/13/2006
Subject: 759

George I've seen bells made from 3/4" copper pipe caps,,,,,,,never heard the sound tho...... I've soldered the cracks & found the sound acceptable John

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39435	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 3/13/2006
Subject: Re: HELP! a dumb question?

I used to get a notice stating S-Train Sunday night chat, and I clicked whatever and got on now I receive a notice but no where to click and get on line. Someone put it in a "dumb old man" mode, so that I can join next Sunday. Jerry M

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39436	From: manderman	Date: 3/13/2006
Subject: Re: HELP! a dumb question?

Jerry, In the reminder box under location you will see: http://s-scale.org/forum/ Copy and paste this to the address bar in your browser hit enter and you are there. You should be able to add this to your bookmarks also. Mark Anderman I used to get a notice stating S-Train Sunday night chat, and I clicked whatever and got on now I receive a notice but no where to click and get on line. Someone put it in a "dumb old man" mode, so that I can join next Sunday. Jerry M S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39437	From: srgriggs	Date: 3/13/2006
Subject: Flyonel Dockside Switcher Electrical Contact

I bought a B&O dockside switcher in December and have noticed that it slows down noticeably on my layout when it goes around the curves on my mainline. I use American Models code 148 flextrack. It is not an issue with the gage of the wheels causing the flanges to bind (there is plenty of clearance). My curves are very generous (84" and 78" dia), so for this locomotive's short wheelbase they are practically straight, but they are slightly superelevated. I am wondering if that, combined with the electrical pickup design, causes a partial or low contact condition between the pickup and rail on the curves. My layout is wired with ample feeder wires and all of my other engines run at a very consistent speed all the way around. Has anyone else noticed an issue like this with Flyonel's new 0-6-0? Scott

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39438	From: frank emiro	Date: 3/13/2006
Subject: AF 290= NH Pacific 3016

For those of you wanting to see an I-4 NH pacific in color like ACG modeled, There is hope. The Rocky Mountain Model RR Club released a tape a few years back that has NH 3016 in color. You might have to look for the tape but it is worth it. It was by WB Video Products, 8847 S. Heritage Pl. W., Engelwood, Co. 80111. It is called 50's Express. There is a New Haven fan trip with the engine pulling Osgood Bradly(American Flyer CARS) cars and a heavyweight observation car just like the ones ACG produced for us. There is also a B&M PS2 with the feed-water unit in front of the smoke stack. There are also lots of other great trains in the video. Frank in NH --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39439	From: beebear	Date: 3/13/2006
Subject: American Models

Does anyone know if American Models are still in business? I have called up there several times and visited their shop once and no one answers and the answering machine says they are closed. Do they sell over the counter or is it strictly web purchases? Thanks for any info John [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39440	From: Jim Kelly	Date: 3/13/2006
Subject: Re: Erector Cars

Frank wrote: >I have just posted some pics of a "A.C. Gilbert Erector" Tank and Box Car that I recently made myself Nice, Frank. I'm an Erector enthusiast too so I'll have to look around for some cars I can customize with the decals. Jim Kelly Jim Kelly, ARS KK3K, TCA 99-49842 TINPLATE TIMES http://www.tinplatetimes.com STANDARD GAUGE LIST http://groups.yahoo.com/group/standg Personal Homepage: http://mysite.verizon.net/skeptic491 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39441	From: Roy Inman	Date: 3/13/2006
Subject: Re: American Models

John, I would sure hope they are still in business. From my experience, frankly, Ron is not the most marketing-savy guy on the planet and can be difficult to get hold of. Once I have finally reached him, he has always been helpful. I have had good luck contacting him via email. I do not mean this in a disparaging way. That is just IMHO. Let's hope he is in China or somewhere working on the next "stealth" S projects! (Like the Trainmaster and the Northern were.) Cheers :) Roy Inman > From: beebear <beebear@...> > Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 12:59:05 -0500 > To: S-group <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [S-Trains] American Models > > Does anyone know if American Models are still in business? > I have called up there several times and visited their shop once > and no one answers and the answering machine says they are closed. > > Do they sell over the counter or is it strictly web purchases? > > > Thanks for any info > > John > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39442	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 3/13/2006
Subject: Re: American Models

Dear Roy,' Ron does not fly unless he has too. Unless things have changed, he has never been to China. I just asked my friend Jeff Wilson (Hoquat Hobbies) when he contacted Ron last and he said it was by e-mail last week. I am sure he is busy shipping out his Northern project. Best regards, Don Roy Inman wrote: >John, >...Let's hope he is in China..... > >> >>

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39443	From: BENJAMIN PERRY	Date: 3/13/2006
Subject: Re: AF 290= NH Pacific 3016

Hate to be a spoiler, but 3016 is not an I-4. Its a 2-8-2n similar to the Flyonel one. It was the leading Lady in the movie "It Happened to Jane. Ben Perry The hobo Lets his Whiskers sprout It's trains-not girls That he takes out BURMA-SHAVE -----Original Message----- From: frank emiro Sent: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 10:19:24 -0800 To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] AF 290= NH Pacific 3016 For those of you wanting to see an I-4 NH pacific in color like ACG modeled, There is hope. The Rocky Mountain Model RR Club released a tape a few years back that has NH 3016 in color. You might have to look for the tape but it is worth it. It was by WB Video Products, 8847 S. Heritage Pl. W., Engelwood, Co. 80111. It is called 50's Express. There is a New Haven fan trip with the engine pulling Osgood Bradly(American Flyer CARS) cars and a heavyweight observation car just like the ones ACG produced for us. There is also a B&M PS2 with the feed-water unit in front of the smoke stack. There are also lots of other great trains in the video. Frank in NH --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39444	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 3/13/2006
Subject: Re: American Models

----- Original Message ----- From: "beebear" <beebear@...> . . . . . Do they [ American Models ] sell over the counter or is it strictly web purchases? > > > > > > > > They don't encourage walk-in business but will usually accomodate them. And they sell via the web and thru dealers. Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39445	From: daysend40	Date: 3/13/2006
Subject: American Models S12

Hi There: I recently purchased an AM Baldwin S12. I would like to know if any one out there in 'Train World' has ever installed Kaydee #802 couplers on this unit. Also installed a DCC decoder. Also the headlight has a pc board attached to the leads. I am wondering if the decoder (DH83FX) can be hooked up to this pc boad. Thanks J.R.Wagner trainmaster1940@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39446	From: Scott Holm	Date: 3/13/2006
Subject: Re: American Models

Last I heard is that Ron is working feverishly sending 600+ new Northerns out. beebear <beebear@...> wrote: Does anyone know if American Models are still in business? I have called up there several times and visited their shop once and no one answers and the answering machine says they are closed. Do they sell over the counter or is it strictly web purchases? Thanks for any info John [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39447	From: David Dewey	Date: 3/14/2006
Subject: Cracked Bell Danger Bells (say that fast five times!)

This is a common malady, and it ruins the "ding." I have had very good luck with removing them and silver brazing them. I usually find other cracks when I heat them up to do the brazing. I believe the problem is the brass gets work hardened, and I believe the heating during the brazing relieves the work hardening. The ones I've fixed have a nice "ding" to them. S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39448	From: clayton deich	Date: 3/14/2006
Subject: Re: Cracked Bell Danger Bells (say that fast five times!)

Hi All, the bells look to be stamped out, and the lines in the bell is where the cracks are formed. It could of come from a dul punch in the press when they were made. Clayton S. D. --- David Dewey <djdewey@...> wrote: > This is a common malady, and it ruins the "ding." I > have had very good luck > with removing them and silver brazing them. I > usually find other cracks when > I heat them up to do the brazing. I believe the > problem is the brass gets > work hardened, and I believe the heating during the > brazing relieves the > work hardening. The ones I've fixed have a nice > "ding" to them. > S' > David D. > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39449	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 3/14/2006
Subject: BADGES - YORK

Mine came today..... fast..... Bob

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39450	From: Edward G.	Date: 3/14/2006
Subject: More FRAUD...1955

Isnt it Sad ..here are 2 more Flyer people about to go down to Fakes ...The 1955 Calander thing is about to claim 2 more victims keep passing the word around to all your Flyer friends and clubs about this Scam ...Take a look ...Ebay # 6612935972 and # 6613447705

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39451	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 3/14/2006
Subject: Nice pic of M&StL 24060 anyone?

Just checked ebay, Google, does not seem to be a nice side shot of this car around. Anyone have one they could post a pic of? TIA! Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39452	From: mvandiver2@aol.com	Date: 3/14/2006
Subject: Adhesive for ballast

I am putting ballast on my layout and have been using Woodland Scenic products. Someone told me that the Woodland Scenic Cement (spray or Brush-On Adhesive) is nothing but Elmer's glue watered down. Is this true? What is the formula? How well does it work? Thanks. Mike Vandiver [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39453	From: Roy Inman	Date: 3/14/2006
Subject: Re: Adhesive for ballast

Not the same as Elmer's, at least in my experience. Elmer's doesn't dry clear. > From: mvandiver2@... > Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 19:29:42 -0500 (EST) > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] Adhesive for ballast > > I am putting ballast on my layout and have been using Woodland Scenic > products. Someone told me that the Woodland Scenic Cement (spray or Brush-On > Adhesive) is nothing but Elmer's glue watered down. Is this true? What is > the > formula? How well does it work? Thanks. Mike Vandiver > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39454	From: George Cohn	Date: 3/14/2006
Subject: Re: AF 759 Danger Bell

charlie and edith wrote: > George, This idea came from someone on the list, wish I could remember who, > an end cap for 3/4" copper pipe. I tried it and it works well, very close > to the sound of an orginal. I think the hardest part was trying to find a > #4 nut and bolt. I tried this and it worked great! Used the original spacer washer and a pop rivet to hold it on. A little bit of adjusting and it makes a very nice "ting" sound. Thanks for the tip! George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39455	From: Ironhorse	Date: 3/14/2006
Subject: Re: Adhesive for ballast

I mix Dry powerded glue into my ballast (not much is neded) . After putting the ballast in place I spray it with water. Important: Add a few drops of liquid Ivory soap to the water. This helps a lot in the process. Elmers glue gets very brittle under some circumstances. It also can cause a milky apperance in some instances. mvandiver2@... wrote: >I am putting ballast on my layout and have been using Woodland Scenic >products. Someone told me that the Woodland Scenic Cement (spray or Brush-On >Adhesive) is nothing but Elmer's glue watered down. Is this true? What is the >formula? How well does it work? Thanks. Mike Vandiver > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39456	From: manderman	Date: 3/14/2006
Subject: Re: Adhesive for ballast

What kind of powdered glue? Where do you get it? Mark Anderman I mix Dry powerded glue into my ballast (not much is neded) . After putting the ballast in place I spray it with water. Important: Add a few drops of liquid Ivory soap to the water. This helps a lot in the process. Elmers glue gets very brittle under some circumstances. It also can cause a milky apperance in some instances. mvandiver2@... wrote: >I am putting ballast on my layout and have been using >Woodland Scenic >products. Someone told me that the Woodland Scenic Cement >(spray or Brush-On >Adhesive) is nothing but Elmer's glue watered down. Is >this true? What is the >formula? How well does it work? Thanks. Mike Vandiver > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39457	From: tedcanflyer	Date: 3/14/2006
Subject: Photo's of Cal - Stewart Meet Nov 05

I just clicked on an e-mail by Jim Kelly and went to a link for the TINPLATE TIMES and found the kind of photo's I wish I could see more often. They are of the Cal-Stewart Meet, November 2005. As a person whose chances of seeing one of the bigger train meets/shows are slim to non due to my location, I am truly amazed at the stuff on the sellers tables and train displays. All I can say is WOW! Can persons photograph the YORK show in the different buildings? [the bandit meets?] I don't think I have ever seen photo's from there. Now that would be super pictures to see...I also love the stories from the YORK goer's ever year on this list, especially what was being offered and "the bought lists". Oh well back to dreamin'. Ted

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39458	From: Robert Graves	Date: 3/15/2006
Subject: Re: Nice pic of M&StL 24060 anyone?

For freight cars, always look first in the Gilbert Gallery! http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/boxcars3.html There are also a lot of passenger cars and the rest are coming soon. Bob --- Michael Lueck <pianoman@...> wrote: > Just checked ebay, Google, does not seem to be a > nice side shot of this car > around. Anyone have one they could post a pic of? > > TIA! > Michael > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39459	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 3/15/2006
Subject: Re;Adhesive for ballast

I've been building a couple of small layouts per year for about three years now. All are display layouts that have to be moved and stored on end. I use regular Elmer's glue undiluted to hold ballast and ground foam to these layouts. I know Model Railroader teaches you to use diluted white glue, but I need more strength. Do not use Elmer's Carpenter's glue! Stumpy Stone...off to work in Appalachia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39460	From: Don Thompson	Date: 3/15/2006
Subject: Re: Photo's of Cal - Stewart Meet Nov 05

Dear Ted, No cameras or walky talkies (or cell phones) are allowed at the York TCA meets. When they opened the Orange hall a few years ago, an foreign trolley company (only "O") set up their booth and then proceeded to try and take a picture right in front of a show official who was walking around. We were a few booth over setting up and heard the commotion. And this was the day before the meet began. Best, Don tedcanflyer wrote: >Can persons photograph the YORK show in the different buildings? > >Oh well back to dreamin'. >Ted > > > > > > > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >Enjoy thousands of great photos >at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39461	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 3/15/2006
Subject: Re: Nice pic of M&StL 24060 anyone?

On Tue, 14 Mar 2006 23:21:35 -0800 (PST), Robert Graves wrote: >For freight cars, always look first in the Gilbert >Gallery! LOL, Well Google reminded me of: http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/numbers/af_nums1.html But there was no pic of the 24060. Thanks for sharing yours, answered my Q about Gilbert's lettering detail. Thanks, Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39462	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 3/15/2006
Subject: AM Northern TMCC conversion

I have finished the TMCC conversion of my American Models Northern. All went well and it is an awsome beauty. For details see: http://www.tuveson.com/amtmccnorthern/amtmccnorthern.htm TMCC and S" Gauge, Neat-O Carl

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39463	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 3/15/2006
Subject: Re: Adhesive for ballast

I use diluted Aileen's Tacky Glue for placing ballast type material on my layout. I don't place ballast on my track, I use the AF rubber road bed. I use ballast on my layout around industrial areas for ground cover. If you've ever noticed a chemical plant or electrical substation the stone ground covering is what I'm talking about. It is very close in size to railway ballast. In the southeren chemical industry we call it "chat". I mix up a small amount of Aileen's Tacky glue and water in a plastic bowl and then add enough ballast to get a mixture about the consistency of peanut butter. Then I can place the ballast with a small putty knife. It is easy to wrok with but dries very hard over night. It dries clear. BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39464	From: tomminil@aol.com	Date: 3/15/2006
Subject: Re: SELLING STUFF

Almost anything is actionable. The best defense is for slander/libel is the truth. rather than attack the person just describe the transaction. acceptable or non-acceptable. This is what the eBay feedback system does. If you sell enough old stuff sooner or later some one gets upset with you. Tom [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39465	From: Roy Inman	Date: 3/15/2006
Subject: Re: SELLING STUFF

No to get into a legalize thread, so I will make just one comment from only what I am sure about concerning libel (written defamation) and slander (spoken defamation). Truth is never a complete defense in either case. The point is, (a) was the person held up to public hatred, contempt or ridicule and (b) was it done WITH INTENT. So even though it may be true, if it was done with intent to harm, it could be actionable. Whether or not any given case could be won is yet another matter. But that would seem to be good advice to just describe the transaction without personal references. Roy I > From: tomminil@... > Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 08:33:27 -0500 (EST) > To: WaldoOtten@..., S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: SELLING STUFF > > Almost anything is actionable. The best defense is for slander/libel is the > truth. rather than attack the person just describe the transaction. > acceptable or non-acceptable. > This is what the eBay feedback system does. > > If you sell enough old stuff sooner or later some one gets upset with you. > Tom

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39466	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 3/15/2006
Subject: Re: "News of new automation and sound system"

It was brought to me by a friend of the OGR board that there is a company in Missouri that will be announcing a whole new automation and sound system that will make DCS, TMCC outdated and overpriced. This new sstem will control any function of any engine, using any transformer and all you have to do is hook two wires and you are ready to roll. Estimated basic cost is $ 40 for diesel, and $ 55 for steam and held held control will be $ 79.00. Address memory will be for "30" addresses per each remote. The range for the remote is 60 feet and no interference at all, look for official press release by the end of March and on the market by July. Interessting! referred to as WPB SYSTEM. Jerry Matsick

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39467	From: frank emiro	Date: 3/15/2006
Subject: Fwd: Re: [S-Trains] AF 290= NH Pacific 3016

I guess the Video is wrong. It sure looks like a I-4 Pacific and nothing like the Lionel Mike. Note: forwarded message attached. --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39468	From: Phil K	Date: 3/15/2006
Subject: Libel / slander / defamation

Roy's assessment is dead on. These cases come up in civil court, where the tone is more like "guilty until proven innocent," unlike criminal cases where it is the other way around. The prosecution needs a lot less evidence in a civil case, and quite often, strong circumstancial evidence is admissible. But here's basically how it works: To win a libel / slander / defamation case, the prosecution must prove three things -- and ALL three things: 1) That what was confirmed said or printed was unequivocably and 100 percent false (it must have been printed and presented as fact). If expressed as an opinion, it will still need evidence; 2) That whoever said it / printed it knew that it was false, and printed it anyway; and 3) It was done with malice, or with reckless disregard and/or intent to harm. In my years in the publishing business I have seen several cases, and it is pretty difficult to have all three requirements present and get a judgment. Number three in most cases is the most difficult to prove. It is also difficult for a plaintiff to prove actual losses. However, it has been done. Phil K ****************************************************************** --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Roy Inman <rinphoto@...> wrote: > > No to get into a legalize thread, so I will make just one comment from only > what I am sure about concerning libel (written defamation) and slander > (spoken defamation). > Truth is never a complete defense in either case. The point is, (a) was the > person held up to public hatred, contempt or ridicule and (b) was it done > WITH INTENT. So even though it may be true, if it was done with intent to > harm, it could be actionable. Whether or not any given case could be won is > yet another matter. > But that would seem to be good advice to just describe the transaction > without personal references. > Roy I > > > > From: tomminil@... > > Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 08:33:27 -0500 (EST) > > To: WaldoOtten@..., S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: SELLING STUFF > > > > Almost anything is actionable. The best defense is for slander/libel is the > > truth. rather than attack the person just describe the transaction. > > acceptable or non-acceptable. > > This is what the eBay feedback system does. > > > > If you sell enough old stuff sooner or later some one gets upset with you. > > Tom >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39469	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 3/15/2006
Subject: Re: A. C. Valu Toy Co. S Gauge Track

AC VALUE Toy Company Oceanside New York Going back in time to the 1993 Classic Toy train magazine found a neat advertisement from the A C Valu Toy Company and their new Code 172 High Rail Scale Looking Trackage that was compatible with ACG Flyer Track! Question was this track and turnouts ever produced and made available? Looks really neat, each section had 10 high impact plastic ties plus stainless steel rails and pins. Jerry Matsick S gauge NUT

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39470	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 3/15/2006
Subject: Re: A. C. Valu Toy Co. S Gauge Track

Try asking Marty's Trains he might know being in Oceanside himself & might even be the guy him self. I don't have his address or web address. Mike ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39471	From: Don	Date: 3/15/2006
Subject: Train trip

Something a little larget than "S-scale". Anybody ever take the train from Williams, AZ to the Grand Canyon? We're going to Las Vegas in June and might take a little two day side trip to experience the train. They advertise two steam and two diesels. Any tips or tricks?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39472	From: trainman634	Date: 3/15/2006
Subject: Western Maryland S-Gauge Decals

Does anyone know where I could purchase Western Maryland S-Gauge decals?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39473	From: Steve Blancard	Date: 3/15/2006
Subject: S Gauge Railtruck

I thought I'd share some photos of the railtruck and work car I just finished. The railtruck uses a Bachmann ON30 trolley chassis converted to S. The body is from an AF work caboose, the cab is from a diecast truck. The work car is based on a BVM flatcar. Other details were aded for fun. Take a look at my Webshots page, in the "S gauge trains" album. http://community.webshots.com/user/ndnchf Steve Blancard

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39474	From: Don Thompson	Date: 3/15/2006
Subject: Re: Western Maryland S-Gauge Decals

Don DeWitt had caboose and I think boxcar decals made for the WM. I have forwarded your e-mail address to him. I am sure if he still has a stock of these, he will respond. I have also sent your request to Jeff Wilson of Hoquatt Hobbies. An amazing source of everything "S". Best, Don trainman634 wrote: >Does anyone know where I could purchase Western Maryland >S-Gauge decals? >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39475	From: John Foley	Date: 3/15/2006
Subject: Worlds Greatest HobbyTrain Show

Hi Folks Go to http://www.wghshow.com/showinfo/wdc/wdc.htm and check out SHS promoting S at the Worlds Greatest Hobby Show in the DC Area. 2nd from bottom photo. John [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39476	From: mlmarmer	Date: 3/15/2006
Subject: Re: A. C. Valu Toy Co. S Gauge Track

Jerry, I believe this is the company that WAS going to make S track, did alot of advertising and possibly took deposits from dealers for track. There was a company in the 1990's that did this. They did advertise in S Gaugian. This might be the company. Mike Marmer

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39477	From: Don Thompson	Date: 3/15/2006
Subject: Re: A. C. Valu Toy Co. S Gauge Track

Dear Mike, They actually came out with some, but they went out of business shortly after that. Don mlmarmer wrote: >Jerry, > >I believe this is the company that WAS going to make S track, did alot of >advertising and possibly took deposits from dealers for track. > >There was a company in the 1990's that did this. > >They did advertise in S Gaugian. > >This might be the company. > >Mike Marmer > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39478	From: t.hawley	Date: 3/15/2006
Subject: This year's NASG convention.

Time flies, and it's just about two weeks till April 1st, the date the registration fees increase by $5 for the 2006 NASG convention in Pontiac Michigan. The Southeast Michigan S Gaugers are again hosting the annual NASG convention this August in Pontiac Michigan. The SMSG have hosted conventions in 1986 and 1996. The convention is named "The Southern Michigan Express" and is being held from August 2nd through August 6th. The host hotel is the Marriott Centerpoint (3600 Centerpoint Parkway Pontiac, MI 48341) Rooms are US$89 a night - Don't forget to mention the NASG convention when booking your room. Pontiac (and the hotel) is off I-75 at exit #75 just 25 miles north of Detroit. And the hotel is just about 3 miles from the Pontiac Amtrak station. The hotel is about 60 miles southwest of Port Huron. There is an open house at Dave Held's, north of Pontiac for Wednesday travelers. If you haven't registered yet, you'll find the registration form inserted in your February NASG Dispatch. The latest information and registration forms are also available on our website at http://www.smsgtrains.org The official convention car is an American Models 52 foot gondola, lettered for the Pere Marquette, with a custom-made steel coil load. For more information on the car (and also a convention shirt), please go to the above webpage or directly at http://www.smsgtrains.org/page34.html Tom Hawley Southeastern Michigan S Gaugers [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39479	From: louis glumac	Date: 3/15/2006
Subject: Re: A. C. Valu Toy Co. S Gauge Track

they made this track then went bankrupt as soon as it was released to the market,,,,,, I have a bunch of it,,,,,,,,I really like using it,stainless steal,does not rust, Lou ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Matsick" <jpmatsick@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2006 4:12 PM Subject: [S-Trains] re: A. C. Valu Toy Co. S Gauge Track > AC VALUE Toy Company > Oceanside New York > > Going back in time to the 1993 Classic Toy train magazine found a neat > advertisement from the A C Valu Toy Company and their new Code 172 > High Rail Scale Looking Trackage that was compatible with ACG Flyer > Track! > Question was this track and turnouts ever produced and made available? > Looks really neat, each section had 10 high impact plastic ties plus > stainless steel rails and pins. > > Jerry Matsick > S gauge NUT > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39480	From: mlmarmer	Date: 3/15/2006
Subject: Re: A. C. Valu Toy Co. S Gauge Track

Thanks Don, as I did not know that some track was actually made. Then it is RARE! Big bucks if anyone has any someday on EBAY!!!! LOL Mike

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39481	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 3/15/2006
Subject: Re: NASG - Annual Meetings

Has or is a meeting planned in the South Eastern USA anytime soon,, would like to attend. Jerry Matsick

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39482	From: Roy Inman	Date: 3/15/2006
Subject: Re: S Gauge Railtruck

Wow Steve, I absolutely love it! What a terrific piece of work. How long did it take you to create it? Roy Inman www.unionstationphotos.com > From: Steve Blancard <splitdorf@...> > Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 00:53:07 +0000 > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] S Gauge Railtruck > > I thought I'd share some photos of the railtruck and work car I just > finished. The railtruck uses a Bachmann ON30 trolley chassis > converted to S. The body is from an AF work caboose, the cab is from > a diecast truck. The work car is based on a BVM flatcar. Other > details were aded for fun. Take a look at my Webshots page, in the "S > gauge trains" album. > > http://community.webshots.com/user/ndnchf > > Steve Blancard > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39483	From: Robert E. Yablonski	Date: 3/15/2006
Subject: Rail Code

Will Hi-Rail equipment, AF work with code 100 track? Robert E. Yablonski

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39484	From: Rick Evans	Date: 3/15/2006
Subject: Re: Train trip

I've been meaning too. Haven't quite made it yet!! Rick. Something a little larget than "S-scale". Anybody ever take the train from Williams, AZ to the Grand Canyon? We're going to Las Vegas in June and might take a little two day side trip to experience the train. They advertise two steam and two diesels. Any tips or tricks? S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39485	From: Robert Graves	Date: 3/15/2006
Subject: Re: Train trip

Me, too! It's on my list. May/June we hope to get to Silverton/Durango and maybe we can do it on the way there. Please post your experiences for us! I was going to ride the SKUNK TRAIN in Ft. Bragg, CA, next week, but Howard tells me a mudslide covered a section of track and it will take three weeks min to restore service. Saturday we plan to ride Roaring Camp. Call it research! --- Rick Evans <bassflyer@...> wrote: > I've been meaning too. Haven't quite made it yet!! > > Rick. > > > > Something a little larget than "S-scale". Anybody > ever take the train > from Williams, AZ to the Grand Canyon? We're going > to Las Vegas in > June and might take a little two day side trip to > experience the > train. They advertise two steam and two diesels. > Any tips or tricks? > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39486	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 3/15/2006
Subject: TRACK

Try Classic trains for their SS Solid track. Mike ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39487	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 3/15/2006
Subject: Re: Train trip

There is talk of opening a train from Ashland to Dunsmuir in Ca. soon Hope so Mike ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39488	From: Lee Johnson	Date: 3/15/2006
Subject: Re: NASG - Annual Meetings

on 3/15/06 5:56 PM, Jerry Matsick at jpmatsick@... wrote: > Has or is a meeting planned in the South Eastern USA anytime soon,, > would like to attend. Of the presently scheduled NASG Annual Conventions, the closest one to the South Eastern part of the country is 2007 in Baltimore, MD. For a listing of the scheduled NASG Annual Conventions, go to the NASG web site at http://www.nasg.org/events.html. If anyone or any club in the south east (or any other part of the country) is interested in being a sponsor (host) for an NASG Annual Convention in 2009 or later, please advise me, and I will send a copy of the NASG Convention Handbook in order that you can see what is necessary to sponsor a convention. Lee Johnson NASG Convention Committee Chair

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39489	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 3/15/2006
Subject: Re: Williams to Grand Canyon train ride.

We have ridden this one twice. It is a more or less all day excursion. Be early to Williams as they put on a wild west gunfight ala "OK Corral". On the return trip from the Canyon there is a Wild West train robbery and you are boarded. I won't give away all the secrets, but it's a fun trip. The Durango/Silverton has been done by us twice as well. Once in early Summer, and one in Fall. The fall colors in Colorado are beautiful. This is a more scenic ride than the GC one and it too encompasses most of a day. If you intend to do both of these in one trip, let me recommend that you do the Cumbres-Toltec train ride from Chama New Mexico to Antonito Colorado or visa versa in this trip. The track crosses the border back and forth between the two states eleven different times. This is a very scenic ride and at one point you are at 10,022 ft. on top of Cumbres pass. This ride is on the way for anyone coming from the east. Don't miss any of these. They are all great and they are all full day rides for all practical purposes. The D&S and The C&T are both narrow gauge rides. (Sn3 ..) Steve SnS Trains Boise [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39490	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 3/16/2006
Subject: FAQ Page

Hello S-Trains folks, Bill Adams has submitted a good question to the FAQ page about 'the "best" wire gauge' . This is a common question and I would like to get your input on the best answer. Please visit http://s-scale.org/faq/index.php? and click on "Open Questions". Feel free to answer any question, or submit your own. Paul Yorke [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39491	From: Don Thompson	Date: 3/16/2006
Subject: Re: Rail Code

Dear Robert, I know that our SHS stuff and AM stuff will operate on code 100 rail either using the flex track or for hand laid using the small spikes available from Micro Engineering.. Of course the switches have to be made with wider flangeways. The most AF flanges are just too deep. The pikemaster and "L" AF loco flanges are by far the deepest. I am not sure if the rail is glued to the ties. Best regards, Don Robert E. Yablonski wrote: >Will Hi-Rail equipment, AF work with code 100 track? > >Robert E. Yablonski > > > > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >Enjoy thousands of great photos >at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39492	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 3/16/2006
Subject: Re;Rail Code

Robert...Code 100 rail is the same size as the standard HO track rail. It will work for S "scale" wheels but not American Flyer compatable "Hi-rail" wheels. The flanges are too large and will bump along the ties. The track from S-Helper Service is Code 127 and so far has worked well with everything I have with the AF compatable wheels, yet is as low a rail profile as I can find. Hope this helps. Stumpy Stone...Creative Imagineer in Martins Ferry, OH.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39493	From: romoyer@att.net	Date: 3/16/2006
Subject: Toy Trains on TV

Hello Everyone, I checked out the new season of the Sopranos on HBO Sunday night and found this season one of the main wise guys, Bobby Bacala has an extensive toy train layout in his garage. OK it is O but its done well and the show is set in North Jersey where Lionel originally came from. So it fits. There were at least two scenes with the trains running and one of them with Bobby operating them with a engineeers hat on. I gotta think with the immense popularity of this show, there can't be nothing but good for our hobby. I watched the previous seasons of this series, and growing up a mezzo paisan in a similar neighborhood (South Philly) I've always enjoyed the TV show. So consider this an offer you can't refuse and check it out. Regards Bob Moyer (not my real name, it's the one they gave me in Witness Protection) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39494	From: splitdorf@1bigred.com	Date: 3/16/2006
Subject: Re: S Gauge Railtruck

Glad you guys like my little rail truck. It took about 2 weeks to make, working eves/weekends. The Bachmann ON30 trolley chassis only takes about 15 minutes to convert to S using SHS diesel axle sets. This has been discussed in detail before. These chassis' are quite popular of Plymouth DDT switcher conversions too. They have power to all 4 wheels and pull very well. The trolley lower body was used on the railtruck with the cab and caboose body added. The oil headlight works using an amber LED. Inside the caboose body is a bridge recitfier to handle the AC to DC conversion. On the work car, the pillar crane, oxy/acetylene cylinders, wheelbarrow and shovels are diecast kits. It has lobster claw couplers right now for compatability with a few other pieces of rolling stock. But these can be easily swapped for Kadees later. It runs smoothly and will crawl along very slowly if desired. Steve Blancard

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39495	From: mlmarmer	Date: 3/16/2006
Subject: Re: TRACK

Mike, Waiting for the switches to come out sometime from Classic Trains. O:)! Mike

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39496	From: David Engle	Date: 3/16/2006
Subject: Re: Toy Trains on TV

Too bad Johnny Carson isn't around; what year was it that NMRA President Leighton Keeling was a guest on the show, completed with a portable HO-scale layout, in observation of National Model Railroad Month??? Here it is 2PM My Time, and I have seen nothing on here about National S Scale Day, March 16th??? :)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39497	From: Gerry Evans dba Best of Show Model Build	Date: 3/16/2006
Subject: Big Bang

In honor of National/International S Day, click on the link below for a celebratory display. Gerry Evans In Flagstaff http://www.mamarocks.com/fireworks.htm [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39498	From: jackotrains	Date: 3/16/2006
Subject: NASG Convention Car

I thought the Convention car would follow the other two General Electric car produced by Lionel. Does this mean that NASG will not have any more Lionel convention cars. The only reason I joined NASG was to get these special cars, looks like I will not renew this year.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39499	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 3/16/2006
Subject: Special Cars

----- Original Message ----- From: "jackotrains" <joppdp@...> I thought the Convention car would follow the other two General Electric cars . . . . . . . looks like I will not renew this year. > > > > > > > > > -------Response------------ Don't be too hasty. There are (at least) two different special cars each year, and they often get confused. They are, first, the car produced specially by the club hosting the national convention. That will be the Pere Marquette gondola this year, Pere Marquette having been a Michigan railroad. Then there is, second, a special car that the NASG gets produced annualy (usually/always) by Lionel. I have no edea what that car will be, but for you I hope it's a GE car. Tom Hawley

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39500	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 3/16/2006
Subject: ADDRESS??????

Will Jay Mellon or Allen Evans please contact me off list. I got the package back that I sent to Allen's GA. address. Mike ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39501	From: George Cohn	Date: 3/16/2006
Subject: AF 759 Danger Bell Idea

I'm sort of laid up here after having knee surgery and got to thinking about the AF 759 Danger Bells that I have. I was thinking it would be cool if the lights flashed alternately like the real ones and the bell dinged once for each light flash. Got to thinking about it and with my previous electronics background, it isn't a complicated project. Just a timer chip, voltage regulator chip, couple of driver transistors and some small parts like resistors and a couple of caps. Instead of the 696 trip, it would use a pressure sensitive trip like the 697 or even better, I could add a photo detector and IR LED to detect when the train was passing. The photo detector\IR LED portion could be intriguing by itself. I know that there have been several commercial versions but I was thinking of something universal that gave not only a SPDT switch action, but also a pulse type action for switching 720A switches without continuously applying power to the coil. Would be easy to add a delay to it so it could provide closure or pulse for a few seconds after the train had passed. Before I spend too much time on this, has anyone ever done it before? George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39502	From: Charles E. Smith	Date: 3/16/2006
Subject: Re: AF 759 Danger Bell Idea

I have used "Z-Stuff for Trains" IR detectors and a relay to operate flashing K-Line crossing flashers. The detectors are pretty reliable. Never had one apart to look it over. Detectors cost $20 for a pair and relay was about $10. Signals were about $13 so you can see it's about a $40+ investment. The K-Line flashers have a little bit of circuitry on a tiny board to provide the alternate flashing. The detectors and relay merely turn them on. Flashing starts as soon as either detector is tripped and stops about 2.5 sec. after last detection. Chuck Smith, On matters of style swim with the current. On matters of substance stand like a rock. Thos. Jefferson (may be paraphrased) ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Cohn" <gwcohn@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 6:47 PM Subject: [S-Trains] AF 759 Danger Bell Idea > I'm sort of laid up here after having knee surgery and got to thinking > about the AF 759 Danger Bells that I have. > > I was thinking it would be cool if the lights flashed alternately like > the real ones and the bell dinged once for each light flash. > > Got to thinking about it and with my previous electronics background, it > isn't a complicated project. Just a timer chip, voltage regulator chip, > couple of driver transistors and some small parts like resistors and a > couple of caps. > > Instead of the 696 trip, it would use a pressure sensitive trip like the > 697 or even better, I could add a photo detector and IR LED to detect > when the train was passing. > > The photo detector\IR LED portion could be intriguing by itself. I know > that there have been several commercial versions but I was thinking of > something universal that gave not only a SPDT switch action, but also a > pulse type action for switching 720A switches without continuously > applying power to the coil. Would be easy to add a delay to it so it > could provide closure or pulse for a few seconds after the train had passed. > > Before I spend too much time on this, has anyone ever done it before? > > George Cohn > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39503	From: nyc17819@aol.com	Date: 3/16/2006
Subject: Grand Canyon Railway

The Grand Canyon Ry does have both steam and diesel, but I believe that they only use steam in the summer months--not all year long. They also have a number of Alco FP-4 A and B units that they often use on the train. We had an A-B-A lash-up on the day I rode. These are not exactly the same as the AF PA's because they have four-wheel trucks, are shorter, and are based on the freight engine model FA that Alco made. But they still have the Alco diesel engines inside. The rolling stock is a mixture of some older coaches and a few vista-domes, very similar to the AF vista-domes. Amtrak doesn't use vista-domes any more, so this is a chance to see and ride one. The railroad is owned by a hotel company that has one of the main hotels in Williams and also in the Grand Canyon. If you're traveling by rail to Williams, Amtrak makes a stop at Williams Junction, and the hotel company has a van that carries all passengers into Williams. If you're staying in one of the other motels in Williams, the van will stop at your door to take you either to the Williams station, or to Williams Junction to meet the Amtrak train. All in all, it's a fun trip! Chris Harding

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39504	From: David Engle	Date: 3/16/2006
Subject: Re: Grand Canyon Railway

The FA-2 that American Models offers should not be too far off an FPA-4. AFAIK, it should be the same 1600hp motor, and carbody. The biggest difference I have noticed is the additional grillwork below the louvers on the sides below the fan on the roof. I guess anything else would be modeler's discretion.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39505	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 3/16/2006
Subject: Re: Grand Canyon Railway

One correction. The Alco FPA-4s were 1800 HP Thank you Larry Jackman ljack70117@... On Mar 16, 2006, at 9:54 PM, David Engle wrote: > The FA-2 that American Models offers should not be too far off an > FPA-4. > AFAIK, it should be the same 1600hp motor, and carbody. The biggest > difference I have noticed is the additional grillwork below the > louvers on > the sides below the fan on the roof. I guess anything else would be > modeler's discretion.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39506	From: beebear	Date: 3/17/2006
Subject: Re: AF 759 Danger Bell Idea

George You could use a CD4093 Quad 2-Input NAND Schmitt Trigger for your pulse. With a cap and resistor on the input you can stretch the pulse out a little with your IR detector on the input. Then the output could drive a relay or transistor as needed. I plan on doing just that when I get my layout built. I will be using it on my coal dumper to tell when a car had been dropped off and is ready be emptied Here is a link to the ic info with application diagrams You will need Adobe reader to view it http://www.jaycar.com.au/images_uploaded/CD4093BC.PDF John ----- Original Message ----- From: George Cohn To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 6:47 PM Subject: [S-Trains] AF 759 Danger Bell Idea I'm sort of laid up here after having knee surgery and got to thinking about the AF 759 Danger Bells that I have. I was thinking it would be cool if the lights flashed alternately like the real ones and the bell dinged once for each light flash. Got to thinking about it and with my previous electronics background, it isn't a complicated project. Just a timer chip, voltage regulator chip, couple of driver transistors and some small parts like resistors and a couple of caps. Instead of the 696 trip, it would use a pressure sensitive trip like the 697 or even better, I could add a photo detector and IR LED to detect when the train was passing. The photo detector\IR LED portion could be intriguing by itself. I know that there have been several commercial versions but I was thinking of something universal that gave not only a SPDT switch action, but also a pulse type action for switching 720A switches without continuously applying power to the coil. Would be easy to add a delay to it so it could provide closure or pulse for a few seconds after the train had passed. Before I spend too much time on this, has anyone ever done it before? George Cohn S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links __________________________________________________________ Message transport security by GatewayDefender.com 6:59:44 PM ET - 3/16/2006 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39507	From: George Cohn	Date: 3/17/2006
Subject: Re: AF 759 Danger Bell Idea

beebear wrote: > George > > You could use a *CD4093 Quad 2-Input NAND Schmitt Trigger * > **for your pulse. With a cap and resistor on the input you can stretch > the pulse out a little with your IR detector on the input. Then the > output could drive a relay or transistor as needed. > Thanks for the tip. I had knee surgery yesterday and will be off work for about a month so it will give me time to play with the trains and test some of my ideas. I dug out my old breadboard stuff last night and today hope to test the circuit for the bell. Will have to do a small modification to the 759 to break the two lamps into separate circuits. I used to design circuits before everything turned into software so it should be fun to see what I come up with. I found that I still had all the parts in my component bins so the cost will just be my time. Once I have it working, I'll post a drawing of the circuit and some pictures of the working 759, probably as a wmv file. George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39508	From: kennebunk2002	Date: 3/17/2006
Subject: Banking curves

When I built a high rail layout several years ago I banked some of the curves as suggested by something I had read at the time. I suppose the reason was to ease an engine hauling a number of cars through the curve. Now that I have screwed up the courage to change from AF track to SHS Flextrack I wonder if I should do the same thing- raise the outside edge of a curve by maybe a 1/16 or 3/32s. Any suggestions on the subject would be appreciated. Bill Lucas

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39509	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 3/17/2006
Subject: Re: Banking curves

You do not bank a curve based on the number of cars you pull. You do it for the speed that your train will go around the curve. Example: I had a 9 X 5 ping pong table layout in HO. I had a Strombecker RI Rocket passenger train I drill out the diesel and installed a Lindsey Power truck. I put trucks under the train. When going full throttle it would roll off the track on the curves. I raised the out side of the curve .008". Then tried the train again. It stayed on the curve. I clocked it going 140 scale miles per hour. Never rolled off again. If you bank the curve to much you will pull long freight trains off to the in side of the curve at slow speed. Thank you Larry Jackman ljack70117@... On Mar 17, 2006, at 4:03 PM, kennebunk2002 wrote: > When I built a high rail layout several years ago I banked some of the > curves as suggested by something I had read at the time. I suppose the > reason was to ease an engine hauling a number of cars through the > curve. Now that I have screwed up the courage to change from AF track > to SHS Flextrack I wonder if I should do the same thing- raise the > outside edge of a curve by maybe a 1/16 or 3/32s. Any suggestions on > the subject would be appreciated. Bill Lucas > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39510	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 3/17/2006
Subject: AF dealers exhibiting at the Reliance Fire Hall in York in April 17

Hello all, Well, it looks as if the Reliance will be loaded up with Flyer this time. About half of the hall is booked up with your flyer favorites, all formerly in the parking lot at the Holiday Inn; Gary and Laura Clark Greg Arters Bill Cucchi Bill & Mike Farner Richard Hinkle Frankie Merson Todd & Bev Metcalf Gary Shutovich John & Robin Vanacore The other half of the hall is a mixture of Lionel/Flyer/Marx/Plasticville; Bob Persing---Plasticville parts, Flyer Joel Lazarus--Joel's Toys and Trains (Ebay) Joel will have 10 tables with a mixture of product (all trains), including a good bit of Flyer Dick Wachtman--Trainshelf (aluminum display shelving)--(some S-gauge trains also) Ed Stencler--Lionel, Flyer, etc., all the way from Arizona.. Fred Brown--trains, toys, books Bill Hause--Lionel, MTH, Flyer Wayne Crone--Flyer, Lionel, Plasticville Matt Hazekamp--Lionel parts, trains, boxes Mike Rice--hobby adhesives Of course, I'll be there with my usual stock of Flyer parts and trains. I expect to have new dry transfers, erector parts, noma records and parts, along with some new parts for Gilbert rolling stock for York week. At the time of this posting, there are only 6 wall tables left available for this show. If you or someone you know is looking for space, please contact me at _ fredstrainparts@..._ (mailto:fredstrainparts@...) . Respectfully submitted, Fred Jester Fred's Train Parts [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39511	From: Bill Clark	Date: 3/17/2006
Subject: S Helper Service Spring Sale

I just posted two Spring Sales on the S Helper website. Sale #1 is on PRR F7s, and sale #2 is on open top hoppers. Sale lasts until April 7, or until stock is gone. http://www.showcaseline.com/indexSale.html Thanks! Bill

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39512	From: clifma19	Date: 3/17/2006
Subject: saw mill help

I bought a Lionel Saw Mill new last year. I just got to where I could set it up. It will not pick up the board on each cycle. Every thing is correct in the set up. Anyone have a similar condition that they have fixed or a suggestion? The only possiblity that I can see is to change the string because it has a brass piece crimped on the string which can not be moved. Cliff Manning Topeka, Ks

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39513	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 3/17/2006
Subject: Re: AF dealers exhibiting at the Reliance Fire Hall in York in Apri

wHAT WILL BE THE FIRST DAY THE FIRE HALL AND OTHERS WILL BE OPEN........ Sunday or Monday?... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: <fredstrainparts@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Cc: <LAURAZASE@...> Sent: Friday, March 17, 2006 5:34 PM Subject: [S-Trains] AF dealers exhibiting at the Reliance Fire Hall in York in April 17-19, 2006 > Hello all, > > Well, it looks as if the Reliance will be loaded up with Flyer this time. > About half of the hall is booked up with your flyer favorites, all > formerly in > the parking lot at the Holiday Inn; > > Gary and Laura Clark > Greg Arters > Bill Cucchi > Bill & Mike Farner > Richard Hinkle > Frankie Merson > Todd & Bev Metcalf > Gary Shutovich > John & Robin Vanacore > > The other half of the hall is a mixture of > Lionel/Flyer/Marx/Plasticville; > > Bob Persing---Plasticville parts, Flyer > Joel Lazarus--Joel's Toys and Trains (Ebay) Joel will have 10 tables > with a > mixture of > product (all trains), including a good bit of Flyer > Dick Wachtman--Trainshelf (aluminum display shelving)--(some S-gauge > trains > also) > Ed Stencler--Lionel, Flyer, etc., all the way from Arizona.. > Fred Brown--trains, toys, books > Bill Hause--Lionel, MTH, Flyer > Wayne Crone--Flyer, Lionel, Plasticville > Matt Hazekamp--Lionel parts, trains, boxes > Mike Rice--hobby adhesives > > Of course, I'll be there with my usual stock of Flyer parts and trains. > I > expect to have new dry transfers, erector parts, noma records and parts, > along > with some new parts for Gilbert rolling stock for York week. > > At the time of this posting, there are only 6 wall tables left available > for > this show. If you or someone you know is looking for space, please > contact > me at _ fredstrainparts@..._ (mailto:fredstrainparts@...) . > > Respectfully submitted, > > Fred Jester > Fred's Train Parts > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39514	From: Phil K	Date: 3/17/2006
Subject: Fake calendar guys -- at it again

This one would be a hoot, if it weren't so stupid. It's eBay auction 6613443894 -- a 1910 Burlington RR calendar, with all the monthly sheets still intact and a photo of a train. Click here: http://tinyurl.com/nz429 Problem is, the photo is of the Pioneer Zephyr, which debuted in 1934, 24 years after the calendar date.... The seller doesn't say it's real, but doesn't say it's a repro or fraudulent fake, either. Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39515	From: trainman634	Date: 3/18/2006
Subject: New Roller Pickups

Which year did Lionel start using the new roller pickups on American Flyer engines?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39516	From: Edward G.	Date: 3/18/2006
Subject: Ripoff ..feedback...

Heres a copy of the ripoffs feedback...How come the numbers dont add up ..??....shows that he has 46 negatives ....but in the monthly scores hes had 16 in the last month ...49 in the last 6 months ..and over 60 in the last year.... Member Profile: rare_estate_finds (private) Feedback Score: 2562 Positive Feedback: 98.3% Members who left a positive: 2604 Members who left a negative: 46 All positive feedback received: 4074 Recent Ratings: Past Month Past 6 Months Past 12 Months positive 448 2519 4067 neutral 3 23 47 negative 16 49 62 Learn about what these numbers mean. Bid Retractions (Past 6 months): 0

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39517	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 3/18/2006
Subject: Another Fake Calendar

Check this one out, trains pictured were around in 1921, _eBay: 1921 BOY & SLEEPY CAT CHESAPEAKE OHIO RR RAILROAD SIGN (item 6613442774 end time Mar-18-06 16:04:26 PST)_ (http://cgi.ebay.com/1921-BOY-SLEEPY-CAT-CHESAPEAKE-OHIO-RR-RAILROAD-SIGN_W0QQitemZ6613442774QQcategoryZ14060QQrdZ1QQcm dZViewItem) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39518	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 3/18/2006
Subject: Check out eBay Seller: rare estate finds: Cultures, Ethnicities, Po

Has anyone found the source of these repro calendars yet? Harwood _eBay Seller: rare estate finds: Cultures, Ethnicities, Pottery China items on eBay.com_ (http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZrareQ5festateQ5ffinds) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39519	From: Rick Evans	Date: 3/18/2006
Subject: Prototype train question--NON-toy train

Please check the linked photo. This brake thinga-ma-bob was just installed on a new little spur. I should say OLD spur, it was totally buried, just the rails showing, and Union Pacific just dug it out and re-roadbased it. It will be used for dropping off lumber I am told. It has been used for that in the past. http://s-scale.org/albums/v/friends/bassflyer/Real+Trains/bassflyer_001/Rick+throwing+the+brake.JPG.html How does this brake-lookin' thingie work on the track, well,...I know HOW to work it, but what's the purpose? Thanks, RicK "Workin' on the RR" Evans. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39520	From: Edward G.	Date: 3/18/2006
Subject: Fake calendar guys -- at it again ..& more

If you take a look at the AF fake Calendar..and this burlington fake ..you will also see that the 1st of Jan fell on a saturday in both 1910 and 1955...WOW ....Go Figure ...too bad the jerk has blocked the bidders so we cant WARN them of the ripoff they are about get involved with...If enough of us type a message to E-bay Safeharbor about this seller they Will make him remove his ad...i got rid of 2 sellers last week for the 1955 ripoff...Please get involved and complain...Thanx.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39521	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 3/18/2006
Subject: Re: Prototype train question--NON-toy train

On Fri, 17 Mar 2006 23:21:36 -0800, Rick Evans wrote: >brake-lookin' thingie Man, I should CC my NS engineer buddy on this one, he could probably hook you up with a J O B! LOL! It's a derail device, Rick. A rolling car would be derailed before it could cause trouble on the main line. That is one type, another looks like a switch, but simply opens one of the rails to nowhere. Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39522	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 3/18/2006
Subject: Re: Prototype train question--NON-toy train

It is a derail. It is used to keep cars from rolling out of the spur track on to the next track. When the wheel rolls up on to it, the wheel is put off the rail on to the ground. It is not a brake "THINGIE". Call it a DERAIL. Thank you Larry Jackman ljack70117@... On Mar 18, 2006, at 2:21 AM, Rick Evans wrote: > Please check the linked photo. > This brake thinga-ma-bob was just installed on a new little spur. > I should say OLD spur, it was totally buried, just the rails showing, > and Union Pacific just dug it out and re-roadbased it. It will be > used for dropping > off lumber I am told. It has been used for that in the past. > http://s-scale.org/albums/v/friends/bassflyer/Real+Trains/ > bassflyer_001/Rick+throwing+the+brake.JPG.html > > How does this brake-lookin' thingie work on the track, well,...I > know HOW to work > it, but what's the purpose? > > Thanks, > > RicK "Workin' on the RR" Evans.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39524	From: Phil K	Date: 3/18/2006
Subject: Why they have derails -- one story

One of my favorite train-watching spots near my house is the BNSF Eola Yard -- about two miles long and some 32 miles west of downtown Chicago. The three-track BNSF main ("Chicago Racetrack") runs right through the middle of the yard, and at each end there are turnouts for yard leads off the outside mains (1 & 3) for easy in, easy out. No kidding, easy out. One day, a crew doing a yard switching job left one of the west-end yard lead turnouts to the main temporarily open. While everything appears flat to the naked eye, there is a slight, teeny-weeny downhill -- and downwind, obviously -- grade to downtown Aurora, about three miles west. On that fateful day, a gust of wind got a string of empty hoppers in motion, and they were able to pick up enough momentum to roll out of the yard and onto the main. They finally found them in downtown Aurora. It could have been catastrophic. Those mains are used by as many as 120 freight trains a day, plus 40-something Metra commuter trains (dinkies). So today, on each yard lead connecting to the mains, is a derail. The yard crews are very attentive to keeping the derails closed unless in immediate use. Here's a photo showing the busy Racetrack and one of the Eola derails: http://tinyurl.com/pbs4k Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39525	From: Rick Evans	Date: 3/18/2006
Subject: Re: Prototype train question--NON-toy train

***(((The "D" stands for "Derail". )))**** Well, that certainly makes sense!! Thanks all for the insight! Rick. PS.........don't tell UP that I was playin' with their derail thingie!! ;^) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39526	From: tomminil@aol.com	Date: 3/18/2006
Subject: Re: Check out eBay Seller: rare estate finds: Cultures, Ethnicitie.

I asked her how old was the item Her reply is "This is a newer collectable" Tom [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39527	From: tomminil@aol.com	Date: 3/18/2006
Subject: Re: saw mill help

Try bending the plank pickup wire Tom [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39528	From: Phil K	Date: 3/18/2006
Subject: Better link for derail photo

Sorry... http://tinyurl.com/ht4u8

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39529	From: Mike	Date: 3/18/2006
Subject: Z-Stuff for trains - DZ-1220 Trolley Control

Anyone tried connecting the Z-Stuff for Trains (DZ-1220 trolley control system to s-gauge American Models track & running a Putt trains AC or DC Trolley. There is nothing in the DZ-1220 directions. Queries to Z- stuff have gone unanswered.Thanks in advance Skematics would be a blessing

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39530	From: Gregory Klein	Date: 3/18/2006
Subject: Re: Worlds Greatest HobbyTrain Show

John, Thanks for the link to the pictures. It was a great weekend and show. The pictures are great, but it is to bad they do not show any of the operating club layouts. We were in the other building and when attendees finally made it to our building, their comment was "Why didn't they tell us you guys were over here." It would have been much nicer to have had the layouts and vendors in the same location. On a happy note for us S Gauge folks -- our layouts outnumbered the O gauge layouts three to one. The Potomac Valley S Scale guys were there and the Altlantic Coast S Gaugers - Northern Virginia Division and the Baltimore Area American Flyer Club hi-railers were there. Even the Saturday night snow storm did not deter us from operating on time Sunday morning. Greg BAAFC John Foley <mr-s1@...> wrote: Hi Folks Go to http://www.wghshow.com/showinfo/wdc/wdc.htm and check out SHS promoting S at the Worlds Greatest Hobby Show in the DC Area. 2nd from bottom photo. John [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Yahoo! Travel Find great deals to the top 10 hottest destinations! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39531	From: Art Shifrin	Date: 3/18/2006
Subject: CB & Q time warp on ebay

Considering that BBC America at long last started running the new Dr. Who series last night, one possibility on that 1910 calendar is that in one of his previous incarnations he was dabbling in time shifting artwork. It wouldn't have been the first. About 30 years ago he was involved in crushing a caper in which another time traveller had kidnapped Leonardo DaVinci, kept him captive, and had him knocking off multiple originals of the Mona Lisa. They were then secretly sold in the 20th century to raise capital for a private space launch project that had been delayed for several million years. So, I could not resist contacting the seller to ask how a 1910 calendar could depict a train that debuted in 1934. I've got to catch my TARDIS. I'm headed to 200 Fifth Avenue this afternoon to order two each of the 1941 AF line's products. Now I have to figure out how to convert my 2006 Federal Reserve notes to 1941 legal tender.... Best, Shiffy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39532	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 3/18/2006
Subject: Re: The Light has been seen! S Gauge!

Two years ago, I converted from O gauge 3 toyrails to the best gauge S Gauge. I have been rewarded, first by the great Lionel Mikado, then at Christmas time, the fantastic Shelper Consolidation and today, the "remarkable" American Model Sante Fe Northern arrived, to have all three of these operating at the same time on my layout is something to behold and there will be more converts from O Gauge to see the light, I am so glad I saw the Light! Jerry Matsick Jacksonville PS - If in town next week end for the Great Western and Atlantic Train Show, I will be having open house for 3 to 5 PM.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39533	From: Larry Asp	Date: 3/18/2006
Subject: Re: Check out eBay Seller: rare estate finds: Cultures, Ethnicitie.

She has Lionel ones, and other railroad ones that are the same - so its a lot like buying the nostalgia metal signs etc. They would sell a lot better at a couple of bucks each. ----- Original Message ----- From: <tomminil@...> To: <HOwingsiii@...>; <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2006 11:02 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Check out eBay Seller: rare estate finds: Cultures, Ethnicitie... >I asked her how old was the item Her reply is "This is a newer >collectable" > > Tom > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39534	From: ken garber	Date: 3/18/2006
Subject: Re: Calendars

On 18 Mar 2006 20:29:08 -0000, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 13 > Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 10:45:59 -0000 > From: "Edward G." <am-flyr@...> > Subject: Fake calendar guys -- at it again ..& more > > If you take a look at the AF fake Calendar..and this burlington > fake ..you will also see that the 1st of Jan fell on a saturday in > both 1910 and 1955...WOW ....Go Figure ... > According to the perpetual calendar, Jan 1 was a Saturday in both years. Search Google for 'perpetual calendar' and you'll get some sites that can automatically calculate the calandar for you. Ken [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39535	From: Ironhorse	Date: 3/18/2006
Subject: Wire gauge

My return address thingahmthing a jiggy did not like s-faq. So I post my reply here. In answer to the best wire to use; I use at least 18 gauge anything less is subject to getting red hot under undesirable circumstances. 18 Gauge will not get hot before a fuse or circuit breaker pops. Use an appropriate fuse for the accessory . A 2 amp fuse will work for most items. I use 16 gauge If I am going to have multiple items hooked to one wire. Also if you are going to run the wire a long distance. 20 gauge and less might be looking for trouble..... depending.... Always wrap bare wire with good electrical tape And don't have bare wire near each other even if wrapped. Also keep bare wire away from the wood framing. So much for my 2 cents worth. • Roger Hinds Swing and Sway the "S" Gauge way. ;o)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39536	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 3/18/2006
Subject: Sunday Chat, 3/19/2006, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 39537	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 3/18/2006
Subject: 1944 AMERICANA FLYER TRAIN CALENDAR

You have to laugh at these people, 1944? _eBay: 1944 AMERICANA FLYER TRAIN CALENDAR (item 6614742264 end time Mar-24-06 20:16:42 PST)_ (http://cgi.ebay.com/1944-AMERICANA-FLYER-TRAIN-CALENDAR_W0QQitemZ6614742264QQcategoryZ130QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39538	From: Roy Inman	Date: 3/18/2006
Subject: Re: The Light has been seen! S Gauge!

Jerry and all; Apparently Ron is shipping orders for the Northern that were placed directly with him first. I ordered through Doug Peck at Portlines and have not yet received mine. I have this image of Ron sitting in a large storeroom, bare light bulb overhead, and surrounded by 600+ Northerns to ship out. All by himself, no doubt? So I am just hunkering down here in Lenexa, waiting and watching for the forecast sleet/rain/snow, and hoping for the UPS truck to stop in front of my house for a change. Cheers :) Roy I > From: Jerry Matsick <jpmatsick@...> > Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 20:27:59 +0000 > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] re: The Light has been seen! S Gauge! > > Two years ago, I converted from O gauge 3 toyrails to the best gauge > S Gauge. I have been rewarded, first by the great Lionel Mikado, > then at Christmas time, the fantastic Shelper Consolidation and today, > the "remarkable" American Model Sante Fe Northern arrived, to have > all three of these operating at the same time on my layout is > something to behold and there will be more converts from O Gauge to > see the light, I am so glad I saw the Light! > > Jerry Matsick > Jacksonville > > PS - If in town next week end for the Great Western and Atlantic Train > Show, I will be having open house for 3 to 5 PM. > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39539	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 3/18/2006
Subject: LOOKING FOR

I'm looking for the person that traded me a calendar(Airplanes) for an OSH calendar. Mike PS: Remember they are given out after Thanks Giving ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39540	From: Phil K	Date: 3/18/2006
Subject: Those counterfeit calendars...

The main purpose of these calendars is to excite honest collectors, to take advantage of their enthusiam for their hobby -- and ostensibly, to deceive them. The problem I have -- and eBay should have -- with these cleverly- worded auction descriptions is that they don't say "original," and they don't say "antique." They say "great condition." Why wouldn't they be? They're NEW! Even the sellers' responses to email inquiries are nebulous, at best. The listings say they are "slightly discolored." But they don't say from age. Probably coming from the same factory where they distress furniture. All seem to have their Januarys starting with the first on a Saturday. And like Harwood points out, why would Gilbert do a promotional calendar during WWII -- when it wasn't even making trains! Good thing we have so many alert and skeptical people on this board. Wanna buy a watch? Phil K *************************************************************** --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Edward G." <am-flyr@...> wrote: > > If you take a look at the AF fake Calendar..and this burlington > fake ..you will also see that the 1st of Jan fell on a saturday in > both 1910 and 1955...WOW ....Go Figure ...too bad the jerk has blocked > the bidders so we cant WARN them of the ripoff they are about get > involved with...If enough of us type a message to E-bay Safeharbor > about this seller they Will make him remove his ad...i got rid of 2 > sellers last week for the 1955 ripoff...Please get involved and > complain...Thanx. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39541	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 3/19/2006
Subject: Rare calendars for sale!

I, too, have some rare calendars for sale here in my secret hillside lair in the wilds of Appalachia..... Official White Star Line "Titanic" calendar for 1912. Nice art work of the ship in port and at sea. April has a particularly good rendition of an iceberg. Good condition although slightly discolored due to water damage. German Airship Hindenburg "Last Flight Tour" calendar for 1937. Fine photography of Zeppelins, nice shot of Lakehurst Naval Station. Good condition, minor discoloration from smoke damage. Japanese Army "Co-Prosperity Sphere" calendar for 1944. Shows fine photography of various Pacific islands, although some shots appear to be retouched. Very collectable, but has damage from bullet hole. Tucker Motor Co. "Tomorrow's Car..Today" 1948 calendar. December has art work of "possible second generation" Tucker. Never issued. Damaged by large ink stamp "Property of Securities and Exchange Commission" across cover page. I have several other rare calendars from obscure sources in stock and for sale for too much money! Stumpy Stone...need money for medication...Martins Ferry, OH.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39542	From: David Girson	Date: 3/19/2006
Subject: Re: Fake calendar guys -- at it again

Hi Phil, I threatened the seller by complaining to ebay. Because you omit that an item is not original or a repro does not absolve you of wrong doing. In his case he is showing an item with a date which must have a description of repro or original. I told him he must revise his description. I also sent a copy of the listing to ebay stating it was fraudulent and a copyright infringement. Waiting to see their repsonse. The item went for $32.00. The seller id's were kept private so they couldn't be emailed. David --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Phil K" <waldootten@...> wrote: > > This one would be a hoot, if it weren't so stupid. > > It's eBay auction 6613443894 -- a 1910 Burlington RR calendar, with > all the monthly sheets still intact and a photo of a train. > > Click here: > > http://tinyurl.com/nz429 > > Problem is, the photo is of the Pioneer Zephyr, which debuted in 1934, > 24 years after the calendar date.... > > The seller doesn't say it's real, but doesn't say it's a repro or > fraudulent fake, either. > > Phil K >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39543	From: Phil K	Date: 3/19/2006
Subject: Why they have derails -- one story

Like the others have said, it is a derail -- ergo the big "D." On the BNSF main line near me is the Eola Yard. It is about two miles long and 32 miles west of Chicago. The three-track main ("Chicago Racetrack") runs right through the middle of the yard, and there are turnouts on both outside mains (1 & 3) at each end of the yard for easy in, easy out. No kidding, easy out. One night, one of the turnouts from the yard to the main was temporarily left open during a switching operation. Better yet, let me say one WINDY night. Yeah, you guessed it. Even though the trackage looks dead level, they found out that night there's a slight, teeny-weeny downhill (and obviously downwind) grade from the west end of Eola Yard to downtown Aurora, about three miles west. Yep, on that night the wind blew a string of empty hoppers hard enough to get them started, and they finally found them in downtown Aurora. So now all leads from the yard to the mains have derails, and the employees are very meticulous in closing them when they're done using the leads. Good thing it was a quiet night when the cars got loose -- it could easily have been a disaster. About 120 freight trains a day run on those mains, not to mention about 60 Metra commuter trains. Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39544	From: Phil K	Date: 3/19/2006
Subject: This is really strange

I first posted this story Friday evening around and for some reason, it never showed up on the board, even though it was approved by a moderator (me). Mysteriously, it disappeared into the ether of cyberspace, I guess. So I just waited to see what would happen. I usually make copies (just for that reason) of longer posts, so yesterday morning I revised it and sent it again. Went right through and appeared on the board. Now I fire up the PC this morning -- and finally, there's the MIA original! It only took about 40 hours to get through the Yahoo cybermaze! Anyone else have this happen? This is the second time it's happened to me in the last few weeks -- a post I approved from another member disappeared the same way. Later, I finally pulled a copy out of my email archives and put it up. Then the original popped up. Phil K ******************************************************************* --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Phil K" <waldootten@...> wrote: > > Like the others have said, it is a derail -- ergo the big "D." > > On the BNSF main line near me is the Eola Yard. It is about two > miles long and 32 miles west of Chicago. The three-track main > ("Chicago Racetrack") runs right through the middle of the yard, and > there are turnouts on both outside mains (1 & 3) at each end of the > yard for easy in, easy out. > > No kidding, easy out. One night, one of the turnouts from the yard > to the main was temporarily left open during a switching operation. > Better yet, let me say one WINDY night. Yeah, you guessed it. Even > though the trackage looks dead level, they found out that night > there's a slight, teeny-weeny downhill (and obviously downwind) > grade from the west end of Eola Yard to downtown Aurora, about three > miles west. Yep, on that night the wind blew a string of empty > hoppers hard enough to get them started, and they finally found them > in downtown Aurora. > > So now all leads from the yard to the mains have derails, and the > employees are very meticulous in closing them when they're done > using the leads. Good thing it was a quiet night when the cars got > loose -- it could easily have been a disaster. About 120 freight > trains a day run on those mains, not to mention about 60 Metra > commuter trains. > > Phil K >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39545	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 3/19/2006
Subject: Re: This is really strange

On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 19:58:40 -0000, Phil K wrote: >It only took about 40 hours to get through the Yahoo >cybermaze! Yea, happens now and then. To make matters worse, you use AOL, and trying to send to Yahoo... the other black hole borg of the Internet. Just be glad it works most of the time... ;-) Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39546	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 3/19/2006
Subject: Re: This is really strange

It came to me twice. Once yesterday and once this morning. Thank you Larry Jackman ljack70117@... On Mar 19, 2006, at 2:58 PM, Phil K wrote: > I first posted this story Friday evening around and for some reason, > it never showed up on the board, even though it was approved by a > moderator (me). Mysteriously, it disappeared into the ether of > cyberspace, I guess. So I just waited to see what would happen. > > I usually make copies (just for that reason) of longer posts, so > yesterday morning I revised it and sent it again. Went right through > and appeared on the board. > > Now I fire up the PC this morning -- and finally, there's the MIA > original! It only took about 40 hours to get through the Yahoo > cybermaze! > > Anyone else have this happen? This is the second time it's happened > to me in the last few weeks -- a post I approved from another member > disappeared the same way. Later, I finally pulled a copy out of my > email archives and put it up. Then the original popped up. > > Phil K > > ******************************************************************* > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Phil K" <waldootten@...> wrote: >> >> Like the others have said, it is a derail -- ergo the big "D." >> >> On the BNSF main line near me is the Eola Yard. It is about two >> miles long and 32 miles west of Chicago. The three-track main >> ("Chicago Racetrack") runs right through the middle of the yard, > and >> there are turnouts on both outside mains (1 & 3) at each end of > the >> yard for easy in, easy out. >> >> No kidding, easy out. One night, one of the turnouts from the yard >> to the main was temporarily left open during a switching > operation. >> Better yet, let me say one WINDY night. Yeah, you guessed it. Even >> though the trackage looks dead level, they found out that night >> there's a slight, teeny-weeny downhill (and obviously downwind) >> grade from the west end of Eola Yard to downtown Aurora, about > three >> miles west. Yep, on that night the wind blew a string of empty >> hoppers hard enough to get them started, and they finally found > them >> in downtown Aurora. >> >> So now all leads from the yard to the mains have derails, and the >> employees are very meticulous in closing them when they're done >> using the leads. Good thing it was a quiet night when the cars got >> loose -- it could easily have been a disaster. About 120 freight >> trains a day run on those mains, not to mention about 60 Metra >> commuter trains. >> >> Phil K >> > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39547	From: Phil K	Date: 3/19/2006
Subject: Those fakey calendars

The main purpose of these calendars is to excite honest collectors, to take advantage of their enthusiasm for their hobby -- and to deceive them. Period. The problem I have -- and eBay should have -- with these cleverly- worded auction descriptions is that they don't say "original," and they don't say "antique." They say "great condition." Why wouldn't they be? They're NEW! They say they are "slightly discolored." But they don't say from age. Probably coming from the same factory where they distress furniture. All seem to have their Januarys starting with the first on a Saturday. And like Harwood points out, why would Gilbert do a promotional calendar during WWII -- when it wasn't even making trains! Good thing we have so many alert and skeptical people on this board. Wanna buy a watch? Phil K *************************************************************** --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Edward G." <am-flyr@...> wrote: > > If you take a look at the AF fake Calendar..and this burlington > fake ..you will also see that the 1st of Jan fell on a saturday in > both 1910 and 1955...WOW ....Go Figure ...too bad the jerk has blocked > the bidders so we cant WARN them of the ripoff they are about get > involved with...If enough of us type a message to E-bay Safeharbor > about this seller they Will make him remove his ad...i got rid of 2 > sellers last week for the 1955 ripoff...Please get involved and > complain...Thanx. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39548	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 3/19/2006
Subject: help an S gauger

Hello Everyone, Is there anyone near Deland, FL who would be willing to help a fellow S gauger with his layout? If there is, please contact me off list. Thank you, Tom Stoltz Tom's Turnouts & Trackwork Maine S Gaugers NASG [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39549	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 3/19/2006
Subject: Re;This is really strange

Phil...I have your "Why they have derails-one story" listed as #39524 March 18, 11am. Your "Those counterfeit calendars" as #39540 March 19, 12:31am. Obviously there is a time warp involved here! Maybe we had better let those calendar stories alone! Got to go now, Rod Serling is at my door. Stumpy Stone...next stop, the Twilight Zone.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39550	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 3/19/2006
Subject: Sunday Chat, 3/19/2006, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 39551	From: Phil K	Date: 3/19/2006
Subject: Re: Re;This is really strange

Here's what happened. I have no idea why. When I clicked on the "accept" button when these (and a couple others not mine) came up for moderator approval/rejection/deletion in this forum, I got a message that said "Message number XXXXX is no longer available." Usually, when we approve a post, it appears in the main message list anywhere from three seconds to ten minutes later, depending on how busy/overloaded the Yahoo servers are. When they weren't appearing within 12-15 hours, I assume they never made it and so I reposted. Moderators also get an email copy of each post (we can also approve posts using email), so I am usually able to find a copy and re-submit it. I just wonder where these are floating around. The original post about "fakey" calendars was also missing -- for over two days. Phil K ****************************************************************** -- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Stumpy Stone" <mrstumpy@...> wrote: > > Phil...I have your "Why they have derails-one story" listed as #39524 > March 18, 11am. Your "Those counterfeit calendars" as #39540 March > 19, 12:31am. > Obviously there is a time warp involved here! Maybe we had better > let those calendar stories alone! > Got to go now, Rod Serling is at my door. > Stumpy Stone...next stop, the Twilight Zone. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39552	From: seg60133	Date: 3/19/2006
Subject: American Flyer 2002 NETCA Jenney Tankcar

Does anyone know for certain who painted the S-gauge AF by Lionel club cars for the New England TCA in 2002 through 2005? The NETCA website says Weaver painted them, but the 2003 thru 2005 items come with LTI boxes and unique 6-48xxx numbers. Only the 2002 item is without a LTI box and number. Perhaps LTI actually painted the 2003-05 items, and it was only the 2002 tank car that was decorated by Weaver. It seems strange that LTI would issue a product number and box for items that they did not paint. Back in the 80s, hundreds of 0700 orange NASG boxcars cars were repainted by several clubs, but none carried an LTI number, although they had LTI boxes. To see a photo of the 2002 tank car see: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6043987348 Thanks all.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39553	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 3/19/2006
Subject: Re: American Flyer 2002 NETCA Jenney Tankcar

I at one time had bought a plain (undecorated) boxcar that came in an LTI box I don't remember a # being on the box. Mike ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39554	From: jayhoo64	Date: 3/19/2006
Subject: Re: Better link for derail photo

A very interesting shot! BNSF and NS teamed up, and a commuter loco that looks like somebody stuck a brand new cab on an old F40PH. Any more info on that Metra unit? Chuck F.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39555	From: clifma19	Date: 3/19/2006
Subject: Glacier Gravel Model

Don or anyone on the list. What issue of S Gaugian was the article about conversion of the HO kit of Glacier Gravel Co. in? I also want to thank you for your help with the Saw Mill. I got it working perfectly by moving the brass clip on the end of the string. It needed to be opened which looked difficult but was much easier than it looked. Cliff Manning Topeka, Ks

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39556	From: winchester54947	Date: 3/20/2006
Subject: inside curve clearance

I must be certain that I'm not creating an ooops with my bridge abutments and #702 S40 curves, I think the longest wheelbase tallest car I have is a 502 Vista or 663 Observation. Is a 652 Pullman or anything else any longer/taller? I don't have the space for excess clearance unless I change to another type of support and Mom always said keep your arms in the bus.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39557	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 3/20/2006
Subject: Jacksonville FL Train Show

This coming weekend, the Georgia, Tidewater, and Carolinas Division of the Atlantic Coast S Gaugers will be operating a 24 by 45 foot S gauge modular layout with center yard and Thomas the Tank Engine kids cab at the Great Western & Atlantic Train Show in Jacksonville, Florida. We will be in Hall A at the Greater Jacksonville Agricultural Fair on Saturday from 11 am until 5 pm and on Sunday from 11 am until 4 pm. If you live in southern Georgia or Northeast Florida or are in the area, come and see us. We love to meet other S gaugers and chat. Joe Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613*9 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock; More than 1,300 part lines American Models ##### S-Helper Service ###### K-Line S Gauge joestrainrepair@... Master Card/Visa

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39558	From: Phil K	Date: 3/20/2006
Subject: Re: Better link for derail photo

It's an MP36. Metra is using them on all of its suburban lines except the Union Pacific (Overland Route) west line -- there are some old bridges in the city on that line that won't hold the weight of the MP36s, so they're still using the FP40s there. ******************************************************************** --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "jayhoo64" <jayhoo64@...> wrote: > > A very interesting shot! > > BNSF and NS teamed up, and a commuter loco that looks like somebody > stuck a brand new cab on an old F40PH. Any more info on that Metra unit? > > > Chuck F. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39559	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 3/20/2006
Subject: 3/16: 1st annual s-group chat awards dinner - Your mandatory attend

1st annual s-group chat awards dinner on 3/16 Is to be held at the old AC Gilbert plant in New Haven Connecticut on 3/16/2006, with follow up meeting on April 1, 2006..Tickets are $750.00/person (We are using an official Lionel licensed logo on the tickets, or it would probably be $1.00). Those too penurious to attend can sign on a live chat session that night to vicariously participate. Dinner: 3 MacDonald's burgers and 16 small fry will be provided. BYOB! (Bring Your Own B-Units) Please keep all controversial remarks and observations until after dinner - the management has requested that we avoid food fights. We heard what happened at the crab cake stand at Yorke. This will be a moderated dinner -so Paul gets to sit at the head of the table. There will be a raffle of an extremely rare antique very valuable "Casey Jones" AC Gilbert original engine shell courtesy of Hobby Surplus Sales (hopefully not warped). The proceeds will go to the AC Gilbert Heritage Fund for 3-rail challenged toy train enthusiasts. A punk rock new wave hip hop grunge band - "Engine Smoke Sniffers" will provide after dinner entertainment. A special appearance by AFB324 will highlight the evening as she performs a posthumous duet with AC Gilbert of "Those were the days". At midnight, Chris Zee will act as a medium as we all join hands in a huge circle to call the ghost of AC Gilbert. Whatever bizarre things happen - DO NOT break the circle of S gauge life or very tragic things may happen. We all know what recently happened to K-Line! An august set of speakers will regale the audience with stories about AC Gilbert in its halcyon days. Keynote Guest speakers: Joseph Ralston (retired) Janitor for a month at the old Gilbert plant before it closed June Armitrage (retired) Kelly Services secretary that worked 2 days at Gilbert plant before it closed David Schafer (retired) Night Time Security guard for over a year in 1967 (has many stories about where he found that AC Gilbert would dump his pipe tobacco) Janet Stevens (retired) Worked 3 days as an assembler and packager for the game train set. Left when she was expecting to raise a family. AC Gilbert V (unemployed & bankrupt) Heir to the Gilbert throne, recently tried to sell family name to MTH - but Lionel sued to get court injunction. The accounting firm of Cheatum, Stealer & Embezzle (last auditors used by AC Gilbert) officially tallied the votes and here are the winners! The 1st annual 2005 Year S Group Chat Awards - Feel free to add any categories and award winners! Peoples Awards: Most Innovative: Carl Tee (should submit his reviews for publishing - maybe be granted a PHD in S trainology) Most Beloved Vendor: RFG (oops - RFG could not attend - the award will be accepted vicariously by an admiring Scott Dee) Best Musician: AFB324 (her original piece - Roundhouse Rock is climbing the charts!) Best Story Teller: The Stump Man (most like film noir or Shakespeare tragedy?) Most Singular Wit: Rick "The Quick" Evans (or at least a fast typer in the chat room!) Most likely to get moderated: Scott Dee (keep him away from rude telephone order takers - he went berserk - last year's winner Chris Zee a close 2nd) Best Barbecue: Iron Horse (his tempting - I have to go to the pit now remarks - make us all hungry in chat) Busiest Group moderator: Paul Yorke (Another election year gone... Thank Goodness!) Most likely to calculate a scale question in Angstroms: Bob Conner (I didn't get A's in engineering for nothing bud...) Most likely to understand an obscure reference: RCON7 (do you hear the X files theme music in the background. the truth is OUT there!) Best Direction and Editing: The group photos at Yorke (would you buy a used train from any of theses folks?) Most likely to go 3 rail: Chris Zee (Seen ogling a "Lionel Thomas the Tank Engine" at a Long Island Train show...) Best AC Gilbert Imitation: NotChrisZizzo Most likely to test for power by putting his tongue on the tracks: TrainDavid (Is it Soup Yet!) Most likely to be a closet floor runner: Rick "The Quick" Evans So many great people and so little time.. Top 5 Topics for the previous year: * Hottest: To moderate or not... that is the question. * Most Exciting: Lionel AF Mikado - watch that battery, its about TIME! (Is it the last of its kind though?)) * Most Educational: Best Track System or method of Track Laying (EVERBODY has an opinion or creative technique!) * Most Beat to Death: How to remove paint from a toy train? (IE... HOW CAN I BEST DEVALUE MY COLLECTION?) * Niftiest: Christmas & Autumn Layout Pictorial postings (an excuse to use trains around a tree!) * Most Measured: Kline s product offerings. too little too late. Congeniality Award: A really hard one... The whole group! Best New Product The esteemed judges figured they can't please everyone, and didn't want to start a thread flame fight.. So all the new products are winners. in S, we need all we can get... 2006 Predictions ================ Fyloniel Docker is released after long delay when oriental based child labor prisoners strike for extra penny/hour MTH trims its offering for 2006 and returns to profitability (S gauge MTH doesn't look good right now) SHS and AM continue to offer outstanding products at a reasonable price and have good years K-Line announces reorganization and is bought out by its captive plant manufacturers.more old Marx dies to be used for O-S-Ho-N -gauge offerings. Lionel continues to operate under chapter 11 - Did anybody even notice? Make sure to take your party door gift packages with you as you leave, the "Guides to HO Model Railroading" may come in handy someday.. And would one of the attendees send a note to CTT about what happened at the event - we requested coverage but they said that they had to cover some 3-rail event in Madagaskar.. Send cash or money orders soon to reserve your seat! First come and first serve to get a seat at the captain's table and eat with the moderator. There are 2 types of people in the s-grou: The fast and the hungary. Th-Th-Th-That's all folks! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39560	From: Mark Preman	Date: 3/20/2006
Subject: Big Two Day Train Show In Jacksonville, FL This Coming Weekend

If you will in the neighborhood......................... Two day train show at the Jacksonville Fairgrounds this Saturday and Sunday 11:00am to 4:00pm. I will have two booths full of American Flyer goodies and an S gauge club is setting up its modular layout for some operating fun! Mark(your list sponsor) Mark B. Preman AmericanFlyerTrains.com --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39561	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 3/20/2006
Subject: Re: Am. Models Northern - No Chuff?

Received Northern on Saturday, ran like a champ, however this morning, went to operate layout and Northern not having any Chuff Chuff sound? What could be the problem? Ron and Am Models answering machine on and I know they are busy. Any help is appreciated. Jerry Matsick

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39562	From: Dave Farquhar	Date: 3/20/2006
Subject: Re: Ripoff ..feedback...

One possibility is if one person left two or more negatives, it only counts once when calculating the total. Dave Farquhar --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Edward G." <am-flyr@...> wrote: > > Heres a copy of the ripoffs feedback...How come the numbers dont add > up ..??....shows that he has 46 negatives ....but in the monthly > scores hes had 16 in the last month ...49 in the last 6 months ..and > over 60 in the last year....

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39563	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 3/20/2006
Subject: Re: Am. Models Northern - No Chuff?

Run around the house 3 or 4 times...... then run the enginge...... you will hear huffing and puffing sounds...... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Matsick" <jpmatsick@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 10:48 AM Subject: [S-Trains] re: Am. Models Northern - No Chuff? > Received Northern on Saturday, ran like a champ, however this > morning, went to operate layout and Northern not having any Chuff > Chuff sound? What could be the problem? Ron and Am Models > answering machine on and I know they are busy. Any help is > appreciated. > > Jerry Matsick > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39564	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 3/20/2006
Subject: Am. Models Northern - Problems

----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Matsick" <jpmatsick@...> > Received Northern on Saturday, ran like a champ, however this morning, went to operate layout and Northern not having any Chuff Chuff sound? > > > > > > > > > ---------Response---------- And also on the subject of the Northern, a customer tells me his trailing truck derails consistently on AF curves. Has anyone had that problem and resolved it? Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan What could be the problem? Ron and Am Models > answering machine on and I know they are busy. Any help is > appreciated. > > Jerry Matsick > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39565	From: Roy Inman	Date: 3/20/2006
Subject: Re: Am. Models Northern - Problems

I don't yet have my Northern, but I have had similar problems with AM steamers on AF curves. My solution was to go to AM track. I do recall that the K-line S track, new at the time, handled everything better than my vintage, more-or-less restored Gilbert track. I just did not have enough of the K-Line track for the modular layout I was running. Roy I > From: Tom Hawley <t.hawley@...> > Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 14:22:12 -0500 > To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [S-Trains] Am. Models Northern - Problems > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jerry Matsick" <jpmatsick@...> >> Received Northern on Saturday, ran like a champ, however this morning, > went to operate layout and Northern not having any Chuff Chuff sound? >>>>>>>>>> > ---------Response---------- > And also on the subject of the Northern, a customer tells me his trailing > truck derails consistently on AF curves. Has anyone had that problem and > resolved it? > Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan > > > > > > > > > > > > What could be the problem? Ron and Am Models >> answering machine on and I know they are busy. Any help is >> appreciated. >> >> Jerry Matsick >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com >> All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! >> >> Enjoy thousands of great photos >> at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail >> Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39566	From: Phil K	Date: 3/20/2006
Subject: Re: Am. Models Northern - Problems

Adding a small spring to the top of the trailing truck on my AM Pacific instantly stopped the derailing of that truck. Would probably work on the Northern, too -- but check your track work first because something is causing the trailing truck to bounce off the rails, which is what mine was doing at speed. And I have AM track, to boot. Phil K *************************************************************** --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Roy Inman <rinphoto@...> wrote: > > I don't yet have my Northern, but I have had similar problems with AM > steamers on AF curves. My solution was to go to AM track. I do recall that > the K-line S track, new at the time, handled everything better than my > vintage, more-or-less restored Gilbert track. I just did not have enough of > the K-Line track for the modular layout I was running. > Roy I > > > From: Tom Hawley <t.hawley@...> > > Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 14:22:12 -0500 > > To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: [S-Trains] Am. Models Northern - Problems > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jerry Matsick" <jpmatsick@...> > >> Received Northern on Saturday, ran like a champ, however this morning, > > went to operate layout and Northern not having any Chuff Chuff sound? > >>>>>>>>>> > > ---------Response---------- > > And also on the subject of the Northern, a customer tells me his trailing > > truck derails consistently on AF curves. Has anyone had that problem and > > resolved it? > > Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What could be the problem? Ron and Am Models > >> answering machine on and I know they are busy. Any help is > >> appreciated. > >> > >> Jerry Matsick > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > >> All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >> > >> Enjoy thousands of great photos > >> at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > >> Yahoo! Groups Links > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39567	From: wyhog	Date: 3/20/2006
Subject: Re: Prototype train question--NON-toy train

Here is another reason why we have derails. This would have been a mighty bumpy ride had anyone actually been on board. Scroll down towards the bottom of the page to "Derail Test". http://krugtales.50megs.com/rrpictale/p010301/p010301a.htm Derails are one of those seldom modeled RR artifacts. As stated by others, there are also single point switch-like derails. Here is a picture of another type of derail. This one is simply a power switch to nowhere, the sole purpose of which is to purposely derail any runway train or cars before they can reach the yard. Bottom picture on page. http://krugtales.50megs.com/rrpictale/p020415/p020415.htm Or go direct to the pic. http://krugtales.50megs.com/rrpictale/p020415/laurel18.jpg Wyhog

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39568	From: mlmarmer	Date: 3/20/2006
Subject: Needed Accessory

On Sundays, my wife and I listen to a local Washington DC PBS station that plays Bluegrass music all day. And one of the themes in these songs is trains. And some of the songs, train related, have a casket being mentioned in the song, whether on the train or at the "freight" station. Sometimes there is a whaling woman crying over this casket and sometimes, she is quite happy, that this person is now gone. So, my wife, said, that we need to find out if there are S scale Caskets we can get for the layout and I know there are S scale figures we get to go with it. O:)!!!! Wont that be great in "My Little Town"!!! Mike Marmer

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39569	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 3/20/2006
Subject: Re: Prototype train question--NON-toy train

Thank you Larry Jackman ljack70117@... On Mar 20, 2006, at 6:39 PM, wyhog wrote: > Here is another reason why we have derails. This would have been a > mighty bumpy ride had anyone actually been on board. Scroll down > towards the bottom of the page to "Derail Test". > > http://krugtales.50megs.com/rrpictale/p010301/p010301a.htm > > Derails are one of those seldom modeled RR artifacts. > As stated by others, there are also single point switch-like derails. > Here is a picture of another type of derail. This one is simply a > power > switch to nowhere, the sole purpose of which is to purposely derail > any > runway train or cars before they can reach the The word "yard" should be changed to " track it is protecting". > yard. Bottom picture on > page. > http://krugtales.50megs.com/rrpictale/p020415/p020415.htm > > Or go direct to the pic. > http://krugtales.50megs.com/rrpictale/p020415/laurel18.jpg > > Wyhog > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39570	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 3/20/2006
Subject: Re: Glacier Gravel Model

Cliff, if you can't find it, it was reprinted in the structure section of the most recent Scenery Unlimited catalogue. Rgds. Paul S. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39572	From: Bruce Papky	Date: 3/20/2006
Subject: Trains in the Twilight Zone...

On Sunday, March 19, 2006, Stumpy Stone wrote: <<Got to go now, Rod Serling is at my door. Stumpy Stone...next stop, the Twilight Zone.>> .......................................................................................................................... Do any of you remember that 1960's Twilight Zone episode where this man is riding on a train, gets off in a town, and (if memory serves me) the town is either deserted or the people in it are all stationary figures. Very bizarre, at any rate. In a panic, the man rushes back onto the train to escape. A short while later, he pulls into (another) town, and when he gets off the train, the same scenario unfolds. He can't wait to escape this nightmare, so back on the train he gets. Of course, as the train pulls into the next town, he realizes it's the exact same town he's been in twice already. At the very end of the half hour, as Rod Serling is narrating how this man is trapped in the Twilight Zone, the camera pulls back slowly to reveal a boy about eight or ten years old at the transformer of his electric train, and the layout upon which the train has been travelling is a large oval. Does anyone recall (or have on DVD of) that episode, and if so, was the kid's layout 3-rail Lionel or 2-rail American Flyer? I've often wondered. Could have been either in the 1960's, I suppose. I sometimes think about that Twilight Zone episode as my own AF passenger trains continually pass and/or stop at the same station, in the same town, time after time after time! Bruce [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39573	From: Bill Clark	Date: 3/20/2006
Subject: Re: EASY MOD==>>DCC INTO A.M. NORTHERN

Hi Allen, Instructions sound great, thanks! I haven't received my Northern yet, so can't try it. Question: did you measure the running and/or stall current of the loco? What capacity decoder did you use? Did you consider using a relay controlled by a function on the decoder so you can shut the headlight and smoke unit off from your handheld? Thanks again for the writeup! Bill At 01:29 AM 3/21/2006 +0000, Allen Evans wrote: >Installing a decoder into a Northern is really pretty easy. But you >still have to cut and solder. Note: Use of "liquid tape" strongly >suggested. Liquid tape is available from Micro Mart and other hobby >dealers. > > >Part 1 - Separate the boiler shell from the chassis on the loco. > >a. Remove cow catcher. Hand rails are semi-attached. Disconnect >handrails by pulling up on them. Make sure the handrails come >straight out of the cow catcher. > >b. Remove two small screws which are just under the cow catcher and >along the front boiler plate.. Do not remove any other screws on >this end of the loco. These little screws hold the entire chassis to >the boiler shell on this end. > >c. With a #2 Phillips screwdriver, remove the two large screws under >the loco cab. These two screws hold this end of the boiler shell >from the chassis. > >d. Remove the circuit board screws. Look inside the cab from the >back and remove the two screws. This only loosens the circuit >board. Do not attempt to remove it from here. > >e. Separation. While laying in the cradle upside down, lift the >front of the loco chassis up and pull the frame and mechanicals >forward toward the front headlamp. Help the circuit board to follow >out. Watch your fingers and don't hurt anything. > > > >Part 2 - Wiring. > >a. Cut the wires to the motor. The wire that goes to the motor >terminal without the orange dot is cut and completely removed. Toss >it. > >b. The two wires that were connected to the orange dot of the motor >are tied together and soldered together. (That line continues on to >the smoker.) > >c. Half way down the boiler, cut and relocate the green headlight >wires. Solder each end of the green wires coming from the loco >circuit board directly to the motor terminals. It doesn't matter >which wire is which - yet. > >d. Now get two lengths of good 24 ga wire to reconnect the headlamp >wires and run from where we clipped them up to the circuit board. >Simply solder to the two inside terminals of the circuit board. >Apply liquid tape where you tied in the new wires. > >e. The lights and smoker are now on the same line from the track and >in parallel. The headlight will remain on continuously and the >smoker line will operate just as before with its same on-off >switch. > >f. Go inside the tender. Install the decoder and run track input >wires to the input wires on the decoder (red & black) and run the >gray and orange wires from the decoder out to the loco so that only >these wires (orange and gray) will use the outside terminals of the >plug to the loco. Remove any other wiring there. Result - track >power to only the two inner wires of the plug. Motor power to only >the two outer wires of the plug. > >Part 3 - Loco Test. >Test the loco to go forward. If it goes backward, reverse the >connector and try again. Make sure the headlamp works and then >finally the smoker. Now get colored paint and mark each side of >plug and connector on the loco to make sure you always connect it >the same way - the right way. > >S-W-E-E-E-T! Pictures Posted in photos area. > > > > > > > > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >Enjoy thousands of great photos >at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39574	From: clayk@lonestartrains.com	Date: 3/20/2006
Subject: Re: Fake calendar guys -- at it again

Hello all, I contacted Lionel to see where these folks are getting the calendars, and they were not aware of them at all--in other words, they are not licensed items. Lionel is on it now, though. Regards, Clay Original Message: ----------------- From: David Girson tobeetwo@... Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 14:00:37 -0000 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Fake calendar guys -- at it again Hi Phil, I threatened the seller by complaining to ebay. Because you omit that an item is not original or a repro does not absolve you of wrong doing. In his case he is showing an item with a date which snip snip...................... S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ .

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39575	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 3/21/2006
Subject: Re: AF dealers exhibiting at the Reliance Fire Hall in York in Ap...

Forgot about Easter...... But I used to search for EGGS.... Chasing AF is like Easter egg hunting...... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: Fredstrainparts@... To: rcon7@... Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 1:25 AM Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] AF dealers exhibiting at the Reliance Fire Hall in York in Ap... In a message dated 3/18/2006 12:40:35 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, Fredstrainparts writes: Bob, Fire hall will be open on Monday...The Valencia will be open on Sunday...The others are also open on Monday.. Fred Bob, Don't forget that Sunday is Easter......Don't expect to see a lot of dealers anywhere on Sunday. Fred [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39576	From: nsupbnsf@juno.com	Date: 3/21/2006
Subject: Clearance

A question on clearances was asked. "I must be certain that I'm not creating an ooops with my bridge abutments and #702 S40 curves, I think the longest wheelbase tallest car I have is a 502 Vista or 663 Observation. Is a 652 Pullman or anything else any longer/taller?" I always look at the crane car as the tallest track clearance needed. Also for the outside of the curve clearance. Doing that, the Des Planes Husky Double stacks work fine. Alan Udy, RMHRS Idaho Falls, ID [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39577	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 3/21/2006
Subject: Re: AF dealers exhibiting at the Reliance Fire Hall in York in Ap...

I was joking...... Easter is really to me a Christian Holiday and I celebrate it as such........ I was referring to searching for AF is like looking, searching for the eggs...... The search is half the fun..... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: <ljack70117@...> To: "ROBERT ALLEN CONNER" <rcon7@...> Cc: <Fredstrainparts@...>; <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 11:36 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF dealers exhibiting at the Reliance Fire Hall in York in Ap... > Easter is a sex holiday. It is named after Eastar the goddess of sex and > all the symbols (eggs, cross other things) are all sex symbols. Easter is > out for me too. > Thank you > Larry Jackman > ljack70117@... > > > > On Mar 21, 2006, at 9:37 AM, ROBERT ALLEN CONNER wrote: > >> Forgot about Easter...... But I used to search for EGGS.... Chasing AF >> is like Easter egg hunting...... Bob >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Fredstrainparts@... >> To: rcon7@... >> Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 1:25 AM >> Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] AF dealers exhibiting at the Reliance Fire >> Hall in York in Ap... >> >> >> In a message dated 3/18/2006 12:40:35 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, >> Fredstrainparts writes: >> Bob, >> >> Fire hall will be open on Monday...The Valencia will be open on >> Sunday...The others are also open on Monday.. >> >> Fred >> Bob, >> >> Don't forget that Sunday is Easter......Don't expect to see a lot of >> dealers anywhere on Sunday. >> >> Fred >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> >> >> >> >> >> S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com >> All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! >> >> Enjoy thousands of great photos >> at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail >> Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> >> >> >> > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39578	From: Scott Holm	Date: 3/21/2006
Subject: Re: Clearance

The Franklin and Washington are the tallest items in my collection. Also, if you have a vertical rocket launcher car loaded with a rocket, that's pretty tall. Another tall item is the EP-5 with the pantographs up. "nsupbnsf@..." <nsupbnsf@...> wrote: A question on clearances was asked. "I must be certain that I'm not creating an ooops with my bridge abutments and #702 S40 curves, I think the longest wheelbase tallest car I have is a 502 Vista or 663 Observation. Is a 652 Pullman or anything else any longer/taller?" I always look at the crane car as the tallest track clearance needed. Also for the outside of the curve clearance. Doing that, the Des Planes Husky Double stacks work fine. Alan Udy, RMHRS Idaho Falls, ID [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39579	From: bimorph	Date: 3/21/2006
Subject: For sale All Aboard Champion 800

Set is new in the box. It has been opened but not unpacked. Asking $500 pick up only on Long Island, NY. Pictures on request. thanks, Al

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39580	From: JOHN EICHMANN	Date: 3/21/2006
Subject: Re: Twilight Zone

Bruce Papky inquired about a Twilight Zone episode in which a man and a woman keep pulling into the same train station: >>> Do any of you remember that 1960's Twilight Zone episode where this man is riding on a train, gets off in a town, and (if memory serves me) the town is either deserted or the people in it are all stationary figures. Very bizarre, at any rate. In a panic, the man rushes back onto the train to escape. A short while later, he pulls into (another) town, and when he gets off the train, the same scenario unfolds. He can't wait to escape this nightmare, so back on the train he gets. Of course, as the train pulls into the next town, he realizes it's the exact same town he's been in twice already. At the very end of the half hour, as Rod Serling is narrating how this man is trapped in the Twilight Zone, the camera pulls back slowly to reveal a boy about eight or ten years old at the transformer of his electric train, and the layout upon which the train has been travelling is a large oval. Does anyone recall (or have on DVD of) that episode, and if so, was the kid's layout 3-rail Lionel or 2-rail American Flyer? I've often wondered. Could have been either in the 1960's, I suppose. I sometimes think about that Twilight Zone episode as my own AF passenger trains continually pass and/or stop at the same station, in the same town, time after time after time! >>> The episode is called, "Stopover in a Quiet Town," starring Barry Nelson as the husband, and it first aired April 24, 1964. I just watched it again a few weeks ago on the SciFi Channel. As I recall, it was probably a Lionel layout. The operator was a little girl, not a boy (her laugh haunts Nelson and his wife as they try to escape and, of course, her hand terrifies them as she picks them up). You can probably find a DVD of it on the Internet. It's a good thing to remember when, as master of your own miniature world, you arrange the lives of its inhabitants. Be gentle and kind. YourS, John Eichmann Rocky Mountain Hi-Railers Boise

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39581	From: Doug Peck	Date: 3/21/2006
Subject: Re: Needed Accessory

Well, Mike..... Reviresco makes, and we have in stock, a set of 5 painted Trench Diggers digging a hole that could easily be staged as a graveyard crew, as well as a pair of caskets.....all in S scale! They're popular sellers at shows! You can see them on our website, under "S Figures".....and we'll likely have them at York, if we see you there again next month. <<<So, my wife, said, that we need to find out if there are S scale Caskets we can get for the layout and I know there are S scale figures we get to go with it. O:)!!!!>>> Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST), 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: www.portlines.com <http://www.portlines.com/> E-mail: doug@... <mailto:doug@...> VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39582	From: Roy Inman	Date: 3/21/2006
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] Re: Twilight Zone

And here is the link to the TZ CD collection: www.dvdplayground.com/index.asp?id=534&upc=0 Or, just go to www.dvdplayground.com/ ---------- > From: JOHN EICHMANN <jeichmann@...> > Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 15:34:41 -0700 > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Twilight Zone > > Bruce Papky inquired about a Twilight Zone episode in which a man and a woman > keep pulling into the same train station: >>>> > Do any of you remember that 1960's Twilight Zone episode where this man is > riding on a train, gets off in a town, and (if memory serves me) the town is > either deserted or the people in it are all stationary figures. Very bizarre, > at any rate. In a panic, the man rushes back onto the train to escape. A > short while later, he pulls into (another) town, and when he gets off the > train, the same scenario unfolds. He can't wait to escape this nightmare, so > back on the train he gets. Of course, as the train pulls into the next town, > he realizes it's the exact same town he's been in twice already. At the very > end of the half hour, as Rod Serling is narrating how this man is trapped in > the Twilight Zone, the camera pulls back slowly to reveal a boy about eight or > ten years old at the transformer of his electric train, and the layout upon > which the train has been travelling is a large oval. Does anyone recall (or > have on DVD of) that episode, and if so, was the kid's layout 3-rai > l Lionel or 2-rail American Flyer? I've often wondered. Could have been > either in the 1960's, I suppose. I sometimes think about that Twilight Zone > episode as my own AF passenger trains continually pass and/or stop at the same > station, in the same town, time after time after time! >>>> > The episode is called, "Stopover in a Quiet Town," starring Barry Nelson as > the husband, and it first aired April 24, 1964. I just watched it again a few > weeks ago on the SciFi Channel. As I recall, it was probably a Lionel layout. > The operator was a little girl, not a boy (her laugh haunts Nelson and his > wife as they try to escape and, of course, her hand terrifies them as she > picks them up). You can probably find a DVD of it on the Internet. > > It's a good thing to remember when, as master of your own miniature world, you > arrange the lives of its inhabitants. Be gentle and kind. > > YourS, > John Eichmann > Rocky Mountain Hi-Railers > Boise > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39583	From: Richard Clouse	Date: 3/21/2006
Subject: Re: Twilight Zone

If I recall the couple awoke on a morning after really tying one on. I try to keep some 3/16 " to the foot alka seltzer on hand in the event the same thing should happen in our house. JOHN EICHMANN <jeichmann@...> wrote: Bruce Papky inquired about a Twilight Zone episode in which a man and a woman keep pulling into the same train station: >>> Do any of you remember that 1960's Twilight Zone episode where this man is riding on a train, gets off in a town, and (if memory serves me) the town is either deserted or the people in it are all stationary figures. Very bizarre, at any rate. In a panic, the man rushes back onto the train to escape. A short while later, he pulls into (another) town, and when he gets off the train, the same scenario unfolds. He can't wait to escape this nightmare, so back on the train he gets. Of course, as the train pulls into the next town, he realizes it's the exact same town he's been in twice already. At the very end of the half hour, as Rod Serling is narrating how this man is trapped in the Twilight Zone, the camera pulls back slowly to reveal a boy about eight or ten years old at the transformer of his electric train, and the layout upon which the train has been travelling is a large oval. Does anyone recall (or have on DVD of) that episode, and if so, was the kid's layout 3-rail Lionel or 2-rail American Flyer? I've often wondered. Could have been either in the 1960's, I suppose. I sometimes think about that Twilight Zone episode as my own AF passenger trains continually pass and/or stop at the same station, in the same town, time after time after time! >>> The episode is called, "Stopover in a Quiet Town," starring Barry Nelson as the husband, and it first aired April 24, 1964. I just watched it again a few weeks ago on the SciFi Channel. As I recall, it was probably a Lionel layout. The operator was a little girl, not a boy (her laugh haunts Nelson and his wife as they try to escape and, of course, her hand terrifies them as she picks them up). You can probably find a DVD of it on the Internet. It's a good thing to remember when, as master of your own miniature world, you arrange the lives of its inhabitants. Be gentle and kind. YourS, John Eichmann Rocky Mountain Hi-Railers Boise S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39584	From: mlmarmer	Date: 3/21/2006
Subject: Re: Needed Accessory

Doug, I was just kidding about needing that accessory! But Barb was looking for something like that and Dave wrote me that you have them. So, I forwarded Dave's message to her. I am sure she will be emailing you about them. Mike

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39585	From: Robert E. Yablonski	Date: 3/21/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2997 AM Northern, Curve Radius

Cheers, Yabo AM Northern, Curve Radius. And also on the subject of the Northern, a customer tells me his trailing truck derails consistently on AF curves. Has anyone had that problem and resolved it? Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan I have two Northerns. My layout has both AM and SHS 20" radius curves. The Northern gets stuck in the corners or derails. It is obviously designed for a larger radius track. Robert E. Yablonski

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39586	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 3/21/2006
Subject: Re: Needed Accessory

Dear Mike: Reviresco (www.tin-soldier.com) has what you seek. Set 609 has "Four Undead Zombies and a Crypt" sells, unpainted for $10.00. Painted is $25.00. Set 611 has "one coffin & lid, two skeletons and one dried up old corpse" for $10.00. $25.00 painted. Who says you can't have fun in S Scale? Uncle Deadie, there's no place like tomb. Thorin ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 5 Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 19:07:47 -0500 From: "mlmarmer" <mlmarmer@...> Subject: Needed Accessory On Sundays, my wife and I listen to a local Washington DC PBS station that plays Bluegrass music all day. And one of the themes in these songs is trains. And some of the songs, train related, have a casket being mentioned in the song, whether on the train or at the "freight" station. Sometimes there is a whaling woman crying over this casket and sometimes, she is quite happy, that this person is now gone. So, my wife, said, that we need to find out if there are S scale Caskets we can get for the layout and I know there are S scale figures we get to go with it. O:)!!!! Wont that be great in "My Little Town"!!! Mike Marmer

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39587	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 3/21/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2997 AM Northern, Curve Radius

Tom, et al., My Northern negotiates Flyer curves and turnouts just fine. I didn't try it in reverse, though. But looking at the trailing truck, it may need a bit of lubrication to swivel correctly. Try lithium, not oil. Jerry Poniatowski Registrar, 2006 NASG Cnvention --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Robert E. Yablonski" <yabo1@...> wrote: > > > Cheers, > > Yabo > AM Northern, Curve Radius. > > And also on the subject of the Northern, a customer tells me his trailing > truck derails consistently on AF curves. Has anyone had that problem and > resolved it? Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan > > I have two Northerns. My layout has both AM and SHS 20" radius curves. The > Northern gets stuck in the corners or derails. It is obviously designed for > a larger radius track. > > > Robert E. Yablonski >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39588	From: Phil K	Date: 3/21/2006
Subject: Layout graveyards need a fence....

...for crowd control because (ahem) people are dying to get in. Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39589	From: David Dewey	Date: 3/22/2006
Subject: Clearances & Fake Calendar Guys

I think the walking brakeman is probably the tallest thing around??? Gee, now a neat accessory would have been if you had a "tell tail" befor a tunnel, and the brakeman would duck down inside the car! Hmmmm. Clay, if you really want to get the calendar guys in hot water, tell the UP they're printing calendars with UP stuff on them!!!! :) S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39590	From: winchester54947	Date: 3/22/2006
Subject: more clearance questions

The AF professors wrote: The Franklin and Washington are the tallest items in my collection. Also, if you have a vertical rocket launcher car loaded with a rocket, that's pretty tall. Another tall item is the EP-5 with the pantographs up. I don't have a rocket launcher or EP-5, are you referencing a Franklin (210)88 loco and Washington 963 passenger? wrote: I always look at the crane car as the tallest track clearance needed. Also for the outside of the curve clearance. Doing that, the Des Planes Husky Double stacks work fine. Is the crane a 635 or 644. My 644 won't fit thru the garage door unless it's down and preceded by a flat or work caboose.? Also what's the height of the trestle set i.e. 770, 780, or even a 'high trestle sections' 783

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39591	From: Scott Holm	Date: 3/22/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2997 AM Northern, Curve Radius

My AM Northern had no trouble with regular Flyer track and curves. If yours is getting stuck in curves, maybe one or more of it's wheel sets need to be regauged narrower (or wider) a touch? I did have that problem with another AM engine and it went away after finding and fixing the out of gauge wheel set. "Robert E. Yablonski" <yabo1@...> wrote: Cheers, Yabo AM Northern, Curve Radius. And also on the subject of the Northern, a customer tells me his trailing truck derails consistently on AF curves. Has anyone had that problem and resolved it? Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan I have two Northerns. My layout has both AM and SHS 20" radius curves. The Northern gets stuck in the corners or derails. It is obviously designed for a larger radius track. Robert E. Yablonski S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Relax. Yahoo! Mail virus scanning helps detect nasty viruses! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39592	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 3/22/2006
Subject: Re: more clearance questions

The 21088 Franklin and the Washingtion are the same Engines..... only different finish schemes...... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "winchester54947" <winchester54947@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 3:19 AM Subject: [S-Trains] more clearance questions > The AF professors wrote: > The Franklin and Washington are the tallest items in my collection. > Also, if you have a vertical rocket launcher car loaded with a rocket, > that's pretty tall. Another tall item is the EP-5 with the pantographs > up. > > I don't have a rocket launcher or EP-5, are you referencing a Franklin > (210)88 loco and Washington 963 passenger? > > > wrote: > I always look at the crane car as the tallest track clearance needed. > Also for the outside of the curve clearance. Doing that, the Des Planes > Husky Double stacks work fine. > > Is the crane a 635 or 644. My 644 won't fit thru the garage door unless > it's down and preceded by a flat or work caboose.? > > Also what's the height of the trestle set i.e. 770, 780, or even > a 'high trestle sections' 783 > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39593	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 3/22/2006
Subject: Re: New S gauge engines

Several O gauge friends came over and asked my thoughts on the newest additions to my layout, how do you rate them, hard to do, but first let me say that I am impressed with them all. The SHelper Consolidation, looks and detail fantastic, overall operation (locomatic) control is great, bell is super, whistle is the weak point with everyone, I get upset when they laugh at ihe whistle. The Lionel Mikado is a super running and sounding engine, operation with TMCC is super, overall detail is very good, not on the level of the Consolidtion, the Sound system is tops. The American Model Northern has great detail, scale size and overall looks are super, the whistle and bell are great sounding, anxious to get new Lionel Northern to compare it with. Smoke system, the Lionel Mikado is superior when using TMCC. Just my thoughts A former "O Gauger" Jerry Matsick S is Best

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39594	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 3/22/2006
Subject: Re: Am Models Northern

My unit takes the 25 and 30 inch SHelper track radius very smoothly, the engine can't make it thru the 20 inch radius track. This is a beautiful engine, smooth running, great whistle and bell sound, mine needs to be repaired as the smoke unit and chuff sound does not work, should be no problem to repair. Jerry Matsick Jacksonville, Fl

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39595	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 3/22/2006
Subject: T Zone

Let's not forget-nor become a player in-the episode wherein the star is riding a commuter train (EP5 with streamliners?)keeps napping and awakening in a lovely pre-war town called Willowby"". Next stop. Willowby-Willowby, next stop" Rod "John Marganski" Sterling --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39596	From: Scott Holm	Date: 3/22/2006
Subject: Re: more clearance questions

Yes, to the Franklin loco 21088, The Washington is also a locomotive, just like the Franklin, but with a different paint scheme. It's gold and blue. It came with a set that had a red combine, a flat with a cannon, and a boxcar. It is much rarer than the Franklin. I think they created the high trestle set to accomodate the smoke stack on the Franklin and Washington Locomotives. winchester54947 <winchester54947@...> wrote: The AF professors wrote: The Franklin and Washington are the tallest items in my collection. Also, if you have a vertical rocket launcher car loaded with a rocket, that's pretty tall. Another tall item is the EP-5 with the pantographs up. I don't have a rocket launcher or EP-5, are you referencing a Franklin (210)88 loco and Washington 963 passenger? wrote: I always look at the crane car as the tallest track clearance needed. Also for the outside of the curve clearance. Doing that, the Des Planes Husky Double stacks work fine. Is the crane a 635 or 644. My 644 won't fit thru the garage door unless it's down and preceded by a flat or work caboose.? Also what's the height of the trestle set i.e. 770, 780, or even a 'high trestle sections' 783 S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39597	From: Charles E. Smith	Date: 3/22/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2997 AM Northern, Curve Radius

My AM Northern handles my 20" Flyer curves just fine. It came with a warning not to back thru the curved route on a Flyer LH switch because of interference with some piping under the cab on the right side of the engine. I noticed a problem backing thru an S curve at one point. I do not have a problem with these restrictions. I will replace some of my 20" radii with 27" any way because the loco really looks funny on 20" radius. Welcome to the world of big steam! Chuck Smith, On matters of style swim with the current. On matters of substance stand like a rock. Thos. Jefferson (may be paraphrased) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Holm" <imsscott@...> To: "s-trains" <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 10:35 AM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Digest Number 2997 AM Northern, Curve Radius > My AM Northern had no trouble with regular Flyer track and curves. If yours is getting stuck in curves, maybe one or more of it's wheel sets need to be regauged narrower (or wider) a touch? > > I did have that problem with another AM engine and it went away after finding and fixing the out of gauge wheel set. > > "Robert E. Yablonski" <yabo1@...> wrote: > > Cheers, > > Yabo > AM Northern, Curve Radius. > > And also on the subject of the Northern, a customer tells me his trailing > truck derails consistently on AF curves. Has anyone had that problem and > resolved it? Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan > > I have two Northerns. My layout has both AM and SHS 20" radius curves. The > Northern gets stuck in the corners or derails. It is obviously designed for > a larger radius track. > > > Robert E. Yablonski > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Relax. Yahoo! Mail virus scanning helps detect nasty viruses! > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39598	From: Gerald L Shultz Sr.	Date: 3/22/2006
Subject: AM NORTHERN

Greetings, Been running the AM Northern AC/HR for a couple weeks now on old flyer track including tight curves with no derailing problems as yet. Add ons on bottom of tender had to be reglued. Running, chuffing, and smoking fine so far. Tender only was returned to correct e-unit problem. Would not start in forward after being shut off. Wanted to start in neutral, reverse or whatever mode last run like lionel e-units do. Ron says that it has not been a problem with the Northerns but to return for repair. Using matching pacific tender in absence of the oil burning tender and it works fine and looks good as well along with gaining sound package. Regards, G.L. Shultz Sr

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39599	From: N Becker	Date: 3/22/2006
Subject: Am. Models Northern

Got my AM Northern AF AC Highrail and want to share my initial experiences (and hope some one may have a solution). The wires from the tender to the engine do not lock into place so after a number of trip around AF curves it pulls loose. I have two AF layouts. One powered by a pair of MRC Dual Power (DP) 027 transformers the other with a MRC Pure Power Dual (PPD) transformer. Stay with me... Using the MRC PPD; if you use it's buttons to sound the bell or whistle, the engine slows down. But, if I use the AM two button add on box, everything is fine. On the layout using the MRC DP 027, the whistle sounds randomly (no button pressed). I have experienced this with other older AM engines. It appears that AM has not updated their sound boards. SHS engines DO NOT have any of these problems. I had hoped AM had addressed this issue, but guess not. I wanted the Northern but maybe when I have money I'll get that SHS 2-8-0. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39600	From: Roy Inman	Date: 3/22/2006
Subject: Re: Am. Models Northern

I do not have my Northern yet, so I have nothing in front of me to look at. How do the wires connect between the engine and tender? Is there no plug like on the other AM engine/tender combinations? Aside from that operational issue and the sound problems, how do you like the detailing and overall quality? Roy Inman www.unionstationphotos.com > From: N Becker <nabecker@...> > Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 14:39:36 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] Am. Models Northern > > Got my AM Northern AF AC Highrail and want to share my initial experiences > (and hope some one may have a solution). > > The wires from the tender to the engine do not lock into place so after a > number of trip around AF curves it pulls loose. > > I have two AF layouts. One powered by a pair of MRC Dual Power (DP) 027 > transformers the other with a MRC Pure Power Dual (PPD) transformer. > > Stay with me... > > Using the MRC PPD; if you use it's buttons to sound the bell or whistle, the > engine slows down. But, if I use the AM two button add on box, everything > is fine. > > On the layout using the MRC DP 027, the whistle sounds randomly (no button > pressed). I have experienced this with other older AM engines. It appears > that AM has not updated their sound boards. > > SHS engines DO NOT have any of these problems. > > I had hoped AM had addressed this issue, but guess not. I wanted the Northern > but maybe when I have money I'll get that SHS 2-8-0. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39601	From: Don	Date: 3/22/2006
Subject: #770 baggage handling platform

Thanks for all the suggestions on making it work better. I tried all the suggestions: i.e. graphite, teflon tape, and a larger transformer. On my own I also tried baby powder. Nothing worked. So, it seemed to me, that the problem was too much surface area on the baggage squares and ramp. I couldn't change the squares, so my solution was to reduce the surface area by taking the down ramp apart, filing two notches on each end of the ramp and bending 44# stainless steel solid fishing leader (some I had on hand) around the ramp, making two thin lines. I attached the bent wire to the back with a piece of scotch tape. The surface of the wire had a finish on it, so I used a scotch brite pad to remove it...and voila! The baggage squares now shoot down the ramp! I can only load three squares at a time on the ready ramp, though, because the ready ramp still puts too much tension on the squares to unload properly. If I put a fourth square on it the next square moves into the unload position before the little man returns to his unload position. Make sense? Hope this helps someone. My wife has all the track cleaned, now. Just waiting for my three old engines to be serviced and I'll start laying track!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39602	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 3/22/2006
Subject: Fwd: Check out eBay: American Flyer 21107 4-4-2 Atlantic (912 X) (i

Am I missing something? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39603	From: Richard Clouse	Date: 3/22/2006
Subject: Re: Santa Fe Walking Brakeman--Labor Stoppage

I just got the Santa Fe Walking Brakeman box car from Flyonel. He walked up a storm for the first day of operation, but now the little bugger has gone on strike! Instead of walking back and forth, he just is stuck in one place and clicks alot. It is in warranty and I could send him back to the factory--but if it is a quick fix I would just as soon get him back to work. Any thoughts? Rich Clouse [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39604	From: Robert E. Yablonski	Date: 3/22/2006
Subject: American Models Northern

I have two AM Northern's. Neither will negociate AM or SHS 20" radius curves. Robert E. Yablonski

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39605	From: dphobbies	Date: 3/22/2006
Subject: A Former Micro Scale S Scale Decal List - Finally

We have finally been able to go through The Micro Scale S Scale decal inventory that we recently acquired. For now we have posted a link to a very current list from our own S Scale decal page. Also, we have started scanning each decal and will try to ultimately post an image of each one. If a decal is listed, that means we have it. If it is not listed, then we don't/won't have it. This is about the best shape we have been in with S Scale decals in years. We hope to take this decal business seriously and have several sets under development, but nothing ready to talk about. Regards Ron Sebastian Des Plaines Hobbies/S Scale America 1468 Lee Street Des Plaines, IL 60018 1-847-297-2118 fax: 1-847-297-4976

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39606	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 3/22/2006
Subject: Re;(S Trains)Re;Twilight Zone

I always loved those old Twilight Zones. A good story in 30 minutes that shocked you or made you think. Everyone with a train layout has a special place in their heart for "Stopover in a Quiet Town". I especially like the final line where the mother of the giant alien child says "Be careful with your pets dear, daddy brought them all the way from Earth!" Gee, I wonder what our little S scale figures think about us? Stumpy Stone...off the wall again in Appalachia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39607	From: Roger Delthony	Date: 3/22/2006
Subject: A. C. Gilbert Biography

Several weeks ago I came across this biography of A. C. Gilbert: "The Man Who Changed How Boys and Toys Were Made," by Bruce Watson, the Penguin Group of Viking, 2002. It describes Gilbert's life from his boyhood through his death. It shows all the sides of Gilbert as some other books may not have. Most of the book covers his life before buying the American Flyer Company in 1937. The last part of the book moves rather quickly through the American Flyer era. I found it an enjoyable read and recommend it to you. Roger Delthony

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39608	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 3/22/2006
Subject: Re Fwd: Check out eBay: American Flyer 21107 4-4-2 Atlantic (912 X)

Couldn't work that one out myself. The underbidder is a "must buy at almost any price" collector but that price was just ridiculous. As I queried earlier I believe the 21107 is undervalued being scarcer (at least on eBay) than the 21105 which usually fetches more. Makes me wonder what my 21107 Burlington should be worth (how many of them around the place?)? Alistair

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39609	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 3/23/2006
Subject: A. C. Gilbert Biography

Does it dispell the myth of Gilbert coming up with the Erector idea out of the blue when the English Hornby Meccano set had been on the US market for about 5 years when he started making his sets? Alistair

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39610	From: ED WHELAN	Date: 3/23/2006
Subject: DOES ANYONE KNOW THE NAME OF THE PERSON WHO RECORDED THE FAMOUS # 7

BlankGreetings to all, Does anyone know the names of the individuals or their offspring that made the recordings for the talking stations back in the 40's or 50's? Hopefully they are still alive and running their A.F. trains around their layouts. It sure would be nice to thank them for those pleasant sounds from the past. At the very least, we should document who they are/were and let their families know how much we treasure their contributions to the American Flyer tradition. Ed Whelan-Pittsburgh, PA [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39611	From: Rick Evans	Date: 3/23/2006
Subject: Re: A. C. Gilbert Biography

I have that book. I started reading it quite some time ago. For some reason, I never finished it! Time to pick it up again. Rick. ***(((((Several weeks ago I came across this biography of A. C. Gilbert: "The Man Who Changed How Boys and Toys Were Made," by Bruce Watson, the Penguin Group of Viking, 2002. It describes Gilbert's life from his boyhood through his death. It shows all the sides of Gilbert as some other books may not have. Most of the book covers his life before buying the American Flyer Company in 1937. The last part of the book moves rather quickly through the American Flyer era. I found it an enjoyable read and recommend it to you.)))*** [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39612	From: Al Baker	Date: 3/23/2006
Subject: Question about track radius

How does one properly measure the radius of track? Is it to the inside rail, outside rail, or in-between?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39613	From: Don Thompson	Date: 3/23/2006
Subject: Re: Question about track radius

Dear Al, Wow, this is not an easy question as different mfgs. used different ways. I am told that Lionel used the outside of the ties so 0-27 indicated the area taken up is 27" in diameter. Most mfgs. in other scales use the centerline and we followed this practice with our first run of track, but our middle curve was 24" using this place measurement and we had so many people call and ask why it would not fit on a standard 4' X 8' sheet. So we re-labeled to 25" or the area is encompassed (outside of the roadbed). I cannot speak about other mfgs. I can tell you that we asked Dick Karnes, S gauge track guru (and civil engineer) to help us measure AF curved track. He told us the outside radius of the roadbed was a 20" radius. I have never seen any A.C. Gilbert literature on what the radius or any measurement of the AF curved track, but others may have more information. Best regards, Don Al Baker wrote: >How does one properly measure the radius of track? Is it to the >inside rail, outside rail, or in-between? >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39614	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 3/23/2006
Subject: Jax Train Show

As mentioned earler, This weekend there is a train show at the jacksonville Fl fair grounds. I will be there on Sunday for a couple hours. If you are planning on being there and want to say hi, let me know (off list) and I will send you my cell number so we can hook up. Paul Yorke [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39615	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 3/23/2006
Subject: Re: Question about track radius

On Thu, 23 Mar 2006 07:34:13 -0500, Don Thompson wrote: > I am told that Lionel used the outside of the ties I am quite sure the story is the same with Gilbert AF track. Seems to be vendor specific, so, what track are you using? Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39616	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 3/23/2006
Subject: Re: Question about track radius

I asked about the radius of AF track when I started planning my layout several years ago. This subject was discussed by this group in a sometimes heated thread several years ago. It seems all the "gurus" and "non-gurus" had somewhat different answers, so it was a very interesting discussion. Several manuals from the 50's were referenced, but they were inconsistent. Anyone interested can search the message archive for "track radius" and remember this was 2 - 3 years ago. I don't recall there being a consensus on the answer! BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39617	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 3/23/2006
Subject: Re: Question about track radius

It is measured to the center of the track. Thank you Larry Jackman ljack70117@... On Mar 23, 2006, at 12:07 AM, Al Baker wrote: > How does one properly measure the radius of track? Is it to the > inside rail, outside rail, or in-between? > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39618	From: Richard Hosmer	Date: 3/23/2006
Subject: Re: Question about track radius

It would seem to me that a person could check this themselves fairly easily, and thus quickly get the answer(s), at least for some of the old standbys. This info could then be posted in the archives, instead of having ongoing consternation and/or confusion. If the old literature lies, or is silent or vague, the track itself CAN be made to talk. Assemble a full circle of track, on a smooth flat surface. Fasten two adjacent sections down, securely, making certain they are carefully put together and are NOT 'cramped' either way. Manipulate the remaining assembled pieces until a few successive measurements taken at 90 degrees are exactly equal. If necessary, a few nails will keep any "bulges" aligned against springing. You then have a pretty good "true circle". Will it be geometrically "perfect"? No, it won't - but it certainly should tell you where the published radius WAS taken, because that figure, whatever it is, should be VERY close to one of YOUR dimensions, be it center of track, outside rail, or edge of ties. Then you know, and you can plan your layout accordingly. Dick Hosmer AF 3/16"-O (1939-41) lurker

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39619	From: Al Baker	Date: 3/23/2006
Subject: Track Radius

Thanks to all that have replied. I appreciate it. I just put down a circle of original Gilbert track and made it as round as possible by measuring diameter at several points. What I got differs slightly from Glenn, but is close. I get diameters of: Outside Tie edges: 39 7/8 inches Outside rail (center of rail) 39 inches Inside rail (center of rail) 37 inches Therefore, center between rails: 38 inches = radius of 19 inches. Assume my measurements are + or - 1/8 inch at least. So Glenn said Gilbert advertised 40 inch diameter and that agrees with my measurements to the outside rail, and real close to Glenn's. So is there an common number used as the radius of original American Flyer track? As an aside, do we know how the real railroads measure radius? Thanks, Al Baker (Looking for S-gaugers in Portland, Oregon)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39620	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 3/23/2006
Subject: GILBERT TRACK RADIUS

I just measured a circle of Gilbert Track on my layout. It measures 38 1/2" to the outside rail. Gilbert's catalog of 1946 states that the diameter of his track is 40" so that a layout of less than 46" in width is possible Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: <ljack70117@...> To: "Al Baker" <albaker33@...> Cc: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 10:09 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Question about track radius > It is measured to the center of the track. > Thank you > Larry Jackman > ljack70117@... > > > > On Mar 23, 2006, at 12:07 AM, Al Baker wrote: > > > How does one properly measure the radius of track? Is it to the > > inside rail, outside rail, or in-between? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39621	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 3/23/2006
Subject: Re: GILBERT TRACK RADIUS

From my archived message number 25254 dated April 7, 2003: Let us refer to "How to Build and Operate a Model Railroad" by Marshall McClintock. The book states in several places that a circle of S-gauge track has a diameter of 40 inches, radius of 20 inches. Figure 19 on page 35 shows a radius of 20 inches - but to where? Track centerline, outside track centerline, tie outside centerline?? This figure also shows a 3 1/2" roadbed with an outside radius of 20 inches. Assuming you mount the track in the middle of this roadbed, the centerline track radius would be 18 1/4 inches and the outside track centerline would be 18 3/4 inches. But measuring a completed circle of track it appears the outside of tie radius (not outer track radius) is right on 20 inches. So even McClintock appears to be inconsistent. So back to the reference books! BG1 For even more comments on the track radius question, refer to the archives in early 2003 to see other group members' comments on the subject of AF track radius. It does make some very interesting reading. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Glenn Ritter" <gartrain@...> wrote: > > I just measured a circle > of Gilbert Track on my > layout. It measures 38 1/2" > to the outside rail. Gilbert's > catalog of 1946 states > that the diameter of his > track is 40" so that a > layout of less than 46" > in width is possible > > Glenn > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <ljack70117@...> > To: "Al Baker" <albaker33@...> > Cc: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 10:09 AM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Question about track radius > > > > It is measured to the center of the track. > > Thank you > > Larry Jackman > > ljack70117@... > > > > > > > > On Mar 23, 2006, at 12:07 AM, Al Baker wrote: > > > > > How does one properly measure the radius of track? Is it to the > > > inside rail, outside rail, or in-between? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > > > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39622	From: Phil K	Date: 3/23/2006
Subject: Re: Fwd: Check out eBay: American Flyer 21107 4-4-2 Atlantic (912 X

$154.01 for a 21107 Atlantic in E condition. I must have walked by 50 just like it on tables at train shows where I'd get change back if I gave the guy two twenties. I also notice the listing failed to state if the wrap in the background of the photo was from this locomotive -- or included in the sale. tinyurl.com was offline so here is the link. You may have to cut and paste the entire string: http://cgi.ebay.com/American-Flyer-21107-4-4-2-Atlantic-912- X_W0QQitemZ6041822893QQcategoryZ480QQtcZphotoQQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQc mdZViewItem Phil K *************************************************************** --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, HOwingsiii@... wrote: > > Am I missing something? > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39623	From: mlmarmer	Date: 3/23/2006
Subject: Not needed accessory!

One thing about the casket accessory, I forgot to mention, is once in 1993 or so, while in the Florida area to see some spring training baseball games, in the programs where several ads for funeral homes, stating that if the unthinkable should happen, they will "ship" anywhere. Maybe by rail. These ads where in two different cities for baseball. What a nice thought to have at a baseball game, as the market attendance is probably in the "older" bracket! Mike Marmer

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39624	From: Roy Inman	Date: 3/23/2006
Subject: FW: Comments from AmericanModels.com

Hi all; Someone on one of the S lists said there was a delay problem in the reverse cycling of the E unit on the new Northern. This is the response I got from Ron at American Models. ---------- > From: "Ron Bashista, American Models" <rbashista1@...> > Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 18:31:08 -0500 > To: rinphoto@... > Subject: Re: Comments from AmericanModels.com > > Since we have never ones heard of this problem if it exist. Is to be > ignored, We never build these to be an instant cycle in the first > place. Ron B > On Mar 23, 2006, at 2:08 PM, rinphoto@... () wrote: > >> Below is the result of your feedback form. It was submitted by >> (rinphoto@...) on Thursday, March 23, 2006 at 11:08:45 >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> ----- >> >> email: rinphoto@... >> >> name: Roy Inman >> >> Street: 8937 Country Hill CT >> >> City: Lenexa >> >> State: KS >> >> Zip: 66215 >> >> Phone: 913-541-1759 >> >> Phone2: 913-205-7143 >> >> Fax: (xxx) xxx-xxxx >> >> method: Email >> >> comments: Word on the S Trains list says that after several hours >> (total) of running, the E unit on your new Northern changes from an >> instant cycle to one that takes six seconds or so to go from >> neutral to forward, etc. Have you heard of this problem and is >> there a solution? Or is that person's unit perhaps defective? >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> ----- >> >> HTTP_USER_AGENT: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.16; Mac_PowerPC) >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39625	From: Art Shifrin	Date: 3/23/2006
Subject: Thomas Brio trains

Hi Gang, A few hours ago I went to a local school supply / educational toys in my neighborhood. It's Carol's School Supply & well worth a visit If you're in the Fresh Meadows / Bayside part of Queens. Because I've modified part of my layout & plan another mountain, I needed another gallon of Elmer's Glue, which they stock in that form. I'm utterly delighted to be able to obtain it at a local store, rather than have to travel to, and patronize a chain. They prominently stock and display Brio's Thomas products. This includes the charming combined storage chest / play table that's fully populated so that visiting kids can play with the stuff. I asked if the interest level's holding up & strong & they assured me that this is so. As compared to years ago (e.g. my childhood) there's no apparent gender preference or orientation to the toys, their characters and their concepts. As such girls as well as boys are entertained by the products. There happened to be one there, accompanying her Mom while shopping (it's a favorite haunt of teachers). The girl was fully engaged in the playing with the layout. I presume and hope that this hands-on playing will orient some of the kids to be receptive to electric trains as they grow and develop. I was told that some of the kids retain their interest up to the age of 8. I was perusing and daydreaming over the very diversified product line, thinking about when, in the foreseeable future that Marlene and I will have grandkids to whom we'll give such gifts. It occurred to me that it'd be unkind to sock a child with a completely equipped table such as they have beautifully displayed. That'd be denying a kid the excitement of adding to the trove. Some of the new (at least to me) accessories are terrific. These include: -a water tower with a transparent tank in which a blue viscous liquid fills and empties -an "echo tunnel" that records and plays back sounds that the child records at the touch of a momentary button -a "waterfall tunnel" that simulates falling water when a knob (disguised as a boulder) at the top is turned -an operational gantry crane -a round house out of which engines roll down a ramp to a turntable All very charming and enticing. Best, Shiffy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39626	From: Roy Inman	Date: 3/23/2006
Subject: Re: Thomas Brio trains II

One of the things my grandson really looks forward to are additions to his Thomas/Brio layout., at birthdays, etc. He has the wishbook, reminiscent of the old AF and L catalogs, and at four years old knows all the Thomas engines by name and can describe them to grandpa. Whenever he comes to visit of course we play with electric trains on the floor. Roy Inman Doing my best to influence the next generation of train hobbyists in Lenexa. > From: Art Shifrin <Goldens3@...> > Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 20:41:40 -0500 > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] Thomas Brio trains > > It occurred to me that > it'd be unkind to sock a child with a completely equipped table such as > they have beautifully displayed. That'd be denying a kid the excitement > of adding to the trove. Some of the new (at least to me) accessories > are terrific. These include: > > -a water tower with a transparent tank in which a blue viscous liquid > fills and empties > > -an "echo tunnel" that records and plays back sounds that the child > records at the touch of a momentary button > > -a "waterfall tunnel" that simulates falling water when a knob > (disguised as a boulder) at the top is turned > > -an operational gantry crane > > -a round house out of which engines roll down a ramp to a turntable > > All very charming and enticing.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39627	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 3/23/2006
Subject: Re: Thomas Brio trains

Hee hee... You know, we run 1950's AF S because it is the best. When it comes to wooden trains, nothing beats 1980 to 1985 vintage real Brio. Wooden Thomas is made by a different company. Same scale, can sort of mix and match. Unfortunately quality has gone down over the years, Brio and otherwise. Cheap Asian made clones steal market from the quality lines. Battery operated slop. Trendy sets with proprietary parts - like Brio did a sort of "sky" train that hangs below the track... try finding additional parts to extend those sets. Seems all manufactures went crazy with what I call "quick curves". Cars do not go around them well. Give me at least the standard curve... or let's make up some wide radius custom ones! ;-) I've gotten to be a bit of a Brio collector. I've acquired two sets which are either late 1970's or early 1980's track. Back then the track was very tight fitting, everything kept accurate lines. Today the male/female connections have much more slop, harder to keep lines accurate. I have one classic short tunnel and viaduct bridge of Brio... newer Brio will not go through them! ;-) I found "my favorite set" which I never got while growing up... never had been opened... you bet I opened it, just had it out with the children this week actually. All of the boxes were filled with plastic shells that held every piece in place... special trains, always carefully put back where they came from. Yea, I got my original Brio a piece at a time at special days during the year. That was good. Never seemed to get enough "normal track" to make big enough layouts... we have correct that deficiency with our children. Now if we are running either the kids new Brio or "Daddy's large 1980's for the kids collection" (which is neither Daddy's own "growing up" boxed sets or the new boxed sets I have added) with those two options they run out of floor before track, which is a good thing. Like I said... sort of have the disease. We have added Thomas accessories, but pretty much stay Brio for track and trains.... and sadly I doubt we will be buying much new Brio... just can't stomach the new stuff. Kind of like when Flyer went to Pikemaster track... just not the same. Anyway, I'll get our Brio layout pics back in the photo album when I have time. Like the one I dedicated to Tom Jarcho. g'night, Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39628	From: nyc17819@aol.com	Date: 3/23/2006
Subject: Track Radius

Al Baker asked, "As an aside, do we know how the real railroads measure radius?" Real railroads (at least the ones I've worked for) measure radius along the center line of track. Generally curves are delineated by the degree of curve rather than the radius, but they are mathematically related. The degree of curve is the number of degrees a train turns as it moves along one hundred feet of track. A flat curve for main lines would be in the order of less than half of a degree, and a sharp curve for a main line could be ten degrees or more. American Flyer's 19 inch radius works out to 101'-4" if it is scaled up to full size, and this works out to a little over 59 degrees! Most real yard diesels will go around a 57 degree curve, but road diesels aren't good for much more than 21 degrees. The real New York Central Hudsons that the AF 320-326 series engines model were restricted to curves no sharper than 18.5 degrees. It's no wonder that some Northerns have trouble with 19 inch curves! Chris Harding

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39629	From: ED WHELAN	Date: 3/23/2006
Subject: Re: FW: Comments from AmericanModels.com

S Gang, I've dealt with Ron B. for the last three years and have had nothing less than outstanding communication & excellent customer service. He restored a one year old engine that my grandkids did their best to wreck for such an amazingly reasonable price I was not only surprised but very thankful. In my opinion Ron B. has more than taken up where A.C. Gilbert left off. Anyone who has the audacity to criticize Ron is either inept at being courteous or just plain ignorant. Take a moment of your time to read the history of American Models. I wonder how many of us so called American Flyer Fans would have taken the incredible risks Ron did to promote the hobby. Ed W. Pittsburgh, PA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roy Inman" <rinphoto@...> To: "S-Scale" <S-Scale@yahoogroups.com>; "S-trains" <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 7:05 PM Subject: [S-Trains] FW: Comments from AmericanModels.com > Hi all; > Someone on one of the S lists said there was a delay problem in the > reverse > cycling of the E unit on the new Northern. > This is the response I got from Ron at American Models. > > ---------- >> From: "Ron Bashista, American Models" <rbashista1@...> >> Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 18:31:08 -0500 >> To: rinphoto@... >> Subject: Re: Comments from AmericanModels.com >> >> Since we have never ones heard of this problem if it exist. Is to be >> ignored, We never build these to be an instant cycle in the first >> place. Ron B >> On Mar 23, 2006, at 2:08 PM, rinphoto@... () wrote: >> >>> Below is the result of your feedback form. It was submitted by >>> (rinphoto@...) on Thursday, March 23, 2006 at 11:08:45 >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> ----- >>> >>> email: rinphoto@... >>> >>> name: Roy Inman >>> >>> Street: 8937 Country Hill CT >>> >>> City: Lenexa >>> >>> State: KS >>> >>> Zip: 66215 >>> >>> Phone: 913-541-1759 >>> >>> Phone2: 913-205-7143 >>> >>> Fax: (xxx) xxx-xxxx >>> >>> method: Email >>> >>> comments: Word on the S Trains list says that after several hours >>> (total) of running, the E unit on your new Northern changes from an >>> instant cycle to one that takes six seconds or so to go from >>> neutral to forward, etc. Have you heard of this problem and is >>> there a solution? Or is that person's unit perhaps defective? >>> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> ----- >>> >>> HTTP_USER_AGENT: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.16; Mac_PowerPC) >> > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39630	From: Al Baker	Date: 3/23/2006
Subject: Re: Track Radius

Great info - thanks Chris ! Al ----- Original Message ----- From: <nyc17819@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; <albaker33@...> Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 6:52 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Track Radius > Al Baker asked, "As an aside, do we know how the real railroads measure > radius?" > > Real railroads (at least the ones I've worked for) measure radius along > the > center line of track. Generally curves are delineated by the degree of > curve > rather than the radius, but they are mathematically related. The degree > of > curve is the number of degrees a train turns as it moves along one hundred > feet > of track. A flat curve for main lines would be in the order of less than > half > of a degree, and a sharp curve for a main line could be ten degrees or > more. > > American Flyer's 19 inch radius works out to 101'-4" if it is scaled up to > full size, and this works out to a little over 59 degrees! Most real yard > diesels will go around a 57 degree curve, but road diesels aren't good for > much > more than 21 degrees. The real New York Central Hudsons that the AF > 320-326 > series engines model were restricted to curves no sharper than 18.5 > degrees. > > It's no wonder that some Northerns have trouble with 19 inch curves! > > Chris Harding > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39631	From: Roy Inman	Date: 3/23/2006
Subject: Re: FW: Comments from AmericanModels.com

I hope my email and brief comment were not interpreted as critical of Ron and American Models. Thank gosh for the few brave individuals, such as Ron, who forged ahead with the modern development of S equipment. I merely posted the reply because I felt others might find it of interest. Someone else brought up the subject of E unit delay in an earlier post. But for more operational problems than one can contemplate, try handling one of the earlier MTH Protosound One engines. Sheesh, start, stop, freeze; one never knew what the thing was going to do next. I am anxious to get my Northern in my hands and try it for myself. Doug Peck says it is in the mail, or rather UPS. Cheers :) Roy Inman www.unionstationphotos.com > From: ED WHELAN <ejw333@...> > Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 21:58:38 -0500 > To: S-Scale <S-Scale@yahoogroups.com>, S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com>, > Roy Inman <rinphoto@...> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] FW: Comments from AmericanModels.com > > S Gang, > > I've dealt with Ron B. for the last three years and have had nothing less > than outstanding communication & excellent customer service. He restored a > one year old engine that my grandkids did their best to wreck for such an > amazingly reasonable price I was not only surprised but very thankful. In my > opinion Ron B. has more than taken up where A.C. Gilbert left off. Anyone > who has the audacity to criticize Ron is either inept at being courteous or > just plain ignorant. Take a moment of your time to read the history of > American Models. I wonder how many of us so called American Flyer Fans would > have taken the incredible risks Ron did to promote the hobby.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39632	From: firex43	Date: 3/23/2006
Subject: 21107 Atlantic and High Price on Ebay

Perhaps the draw was the fact the the chassis was still intact. Almost all of the 21107 locos that I've seen had broken chassis at the motor end. Perhaps a casting defect or metal fatigue. John Keating

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39633	From: Phil K	Date: 3/23/2006
Subject: Re: FW: Comments from AmericanModels.com

>>Anyone who has the audacity to criticize Ron is either inept at being courteous or just plain ignorant.<< Dear Ed, I read Roy Inman's post at least ten times and still cannot understand how anyone could interpret it as criticism of Ron Bashista. The man sent Ron a legitimate question, got an answer back via email, and wrote an introductory paragraph to the correspondence. In harmony with the "family" tone of this board, I believe you owe Roy an apology for the above insult. Regards, Phil K ******************************************************************* S Gang, I've dealt with Ron B. for the last three years and have had nothing less than outstanding communication & excellent customer service. He restored a one year old engine that my grandkids did their best to wreck for such an amazingly reasonable price I was not only surprised but very thankful. In my opinion Ron B. has more than taken up where A.C. Gilbert left off. Anyone who has the audacity to criticize Ron is either inept at being courteous or just plain ignorant. Take a moment of your time to read the history of American Models. I wonder how many of us so called American Flyer Fans would have taken the incredible risks Ron did to promote the hobby. Ed W. Pittsburgh, PA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roy Inman" <rinphoto@...> To: "S-Scale" <S-Scale@yahoogroups.com>; "S-trains" <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 7:05 PM Subject: [S-Trains] FW: Comments from AmericanModels.com > Hi all; > Someone on one of the S lists said there was a delay problem in the > reverse > cycling of the E unit on the new Northern. > This is the response I got from Ron at American Models. > > ---------- >> From: "Ron Bashista, American Models" <rbashista1@...> >> Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 18:31:08 -0500 >> To: rinphoto@... >> Subject: Re: Comments from AmericanModels.com >> >> Since we have never ones heard of this problem if it exist. Is to be >> ignored, We never build these to be an instant cycle in the first >> place. Ron B >> On Mar 23, 2006, at 2:08 PM, rinphoto@... () wrote: >> >>> Below is the result of your feedback form. It was submitted by >>> (rinphoto@...) on Thursday, March 23, 2006 at 11:08:45 >>> ----------------------------------------------------------------- ----- >>> ----- >>> >>> email: rinphoto@... >>> >>> name: Roy Inman >>> >>> Street: 8937 Country Hill CT >>> >>> City: Lenexa >>> >>> State: KS >>> >>> Zip: 66215 >>> >>> Phone: 913-541-1759 >>> >>> Phone2: 913-205-7143 >>> >>> Fax: (xxx) xxx-xxxx >>> >>> method: Email >>> >>> comments: Word on the S Trains list says that after several hours >>> (total) of running, the E unit on your new Northern changes from an >>> instant cycle to one that takes six seconds or so to go from >>> neutral to forward, etc. Have you heard of this problem and is >>> there a solution? Or is that person's unit perhaps defective? >>>

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39634	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 3/24/2006
Subject: Humor online

As I have been made painfully aware on a couple of different Yahoo groups, humor often does not translate well to the written word! Just recently a Stumpy attempt at humor went wrong on one of the On30 groups I frequent. Dry or subtle humor is very easy to misinterpret in written form where your speech tone, raised eyebrows or similar "give away" cannot be seen. Sometimes my humor can be pretty obscure, so it's important that I think about how I'm saying something before I type it. Unfortunately, I'm usually in a big hurry and screw up anyway! One helpful item is the "smiley face" signature to a message. Not being the most computer litterate, it has taken me years to figure it out as no one bothered to show me. This is a series of symbols made of punctuation marks on the keyboard that look like a smiley face on it's side. :-) ;>) :-( etc. Now on the other hand, not everyone is aware of these yet, may overlook them, or be so riled up as to not care! You can't do anything about this but pull on the Nomex and withstand a roasting! (Now see, there's some obscure humor for those who don't know that being "bad mouthed" online is called "flaming" or that Nomex is what most auto racing firesuits are made of.) Stumpy Stone...a better talker than writer...Martins Ferry, OH.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39635	From: Nick and Becky Colleran	Date: 3/24/2006
Subject: WHO RECORDED THE FAMOUS # 755 TALKING STATION

I helped Dan Olson track down the source of this record almost 3 decades ago when he was trying to reproduce the miniature 78 RPM disc. The lathe was made by Scully Recording Instruments of Bridgeport, CT. Larry Scully wrote me a letter detailing who cut the disk and how the lathe was modified to make the small diameter.recording. I will try to find the letter. I have been fortunate to have met many of the men who created and developed the recording business in the last century. I believe most, if not all of these folks have checked out long ago. I recall that the inventor of the talking station was from Pennsylvania. Nick Colleran

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39636	From: ED WHELAN	Date: 3/24/2006
Subject: Re: FW: Comments from AmericanModels.com

Phil, My remarks were not directed at Roy but rather to the various recent posts I have read recently demeaning Ron B's efforts in either shipping the 4-8-4 Northerns or not responding to inquiries. I'm sure Ron has been overwhelmed with this project. Roy did not take my remarks as an insult and it is obvious he shares my great respect for Ron B. If however you still take exception to my comments, kindly remove my name from the group. Sincerely, Ed Whelan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phil K" <waldootten@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 1:44 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: FW: Comments from AmericanModels.com >>>Anyone who has the audacity to criticize Ron is either inept at > being courteous or just plain ignorant.<< > > Dear Ed, > > I read Roy Inman's post at least ten times and still cannot > understand how anyone could interpret it as criticism of Ron > Bashista. The man sent Ron a legitimate question, got an answer back > via email, and wrote an introductory paragraph to the > correspondence. In harmony with the "family" tone of this board, I > believe you owe Roy an apology for the above insult. > > Regards, > > Phil K > > ******************************************************************* > S Gang, > > I've dealt with Ron B. for the last three years and have had nothing > less > than outstanding communication & excellent customer service. He > restored a > one year old engine that my grandkids did their best to wreck for > such an > amazingly reasonable price I was not only surprised but very > thankful. In my > opinion Ron B. has more than taken up where A.C. Gilbert left off. > Anyone > who has the audacity to criticize Ron is either inept at being > courteous or > just plain ignorant. Take a moment of your time to read the history > of > American Models. I wonder how many of us so called American Flyer > Fans would > have taken the incredible risks Ron did to promote the hobby. > > Ed W. Pittsburgh, PA > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Roy Inman" <rinphoto@...> > To: "S-Scale" <S-Scale@yahoogroups.com>; "S-trains" > <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 7:05 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] FW: Comments from AmericanModels.com > > >> Hi all; >> Someone on one of the S lists said there was a delay problem in the >> reverse >> cycling of the E unit on the new Northern. >> This is the response I got from Ron at American Models. >> >> ---------- >>> From: "Ron Bashista, American Models" <rbashista1@...> >>> Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 18:31:08 -0500 >>> To: rinphoto@... >>> Subject: Re: Comments from AmericanModels.com >>> >>> Since we have never ones heard of this problem if it exist. Is > to be >>> ignored, We never build these to be an instant cycle in the first >>> place. Ron B >>> On Mar 23, 2006, at 2:08 PM, rinphoto@... () wrote: >>> >>>> Below is the result of your feedback form. It was submitted by >>>> (rinphoto@...) on Thursday, March 23, 2006 at 11:08:45 >>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------- > ----- >>>> ----- >>>> >>>> email: rinphoto@... >>>> >>>> name: Roy Inman >>>> >>>> Street: 8937 Country Hill CT >>>> >>>> City: Lenexa >>>> >>>> State: KS >>>> >>>> Zip: 66215 >>>> >>>> Phone: 913-541-1759 >>>> >>>> Phone2: 913-205-7143 >>>> >>>> Fax: (xxx) xxx-xxxx >>>> >>>> method: Email >>>> >>>> comments: Word on the S Trains list says that after several hours >>>> (total) of running, the E unit on your new Northern changes from > an >>>> instant cycle to one that takes six seconds or so to go from >>>> neutral to forward, etc. Have you heard of this problem and is >>>> there a solution? Or is that person's unit perhaps defective? >>>> > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39637	From: Joseph Higgins	Date: 3/24/2006
Subject: Re: FW: Comments from AmericanModels.com

One of the ways rumors get started is by people repeating hearsay. Someone thinks they remember someone posting something about something or someone. Even if someone did have a problem with this or that, it is reckless to repeat hearsay. It starts an entire thread about this or that based on unsubstantiated allegations. Rons reply should never have been posted. It has the appearance of a defense against an unsubstantiated allegation. If the issue about the possible problem was posted here, then it could have been retrieved and the question, about the issue, directed to the original poster. To suggest there is a problem with a product or person based on non- personal experience and hearsay is made worse by posting the response. Joe --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Phil K" <waldootten@...> wrote: > > >>Anyone who has the audacity to criticize Ron is either inept at > being courteous or just plain ignorant.<< > > Dear Ed, > > I read Roy Inman's post at least ten times and still cannot > understand how anyone could interpret it as criticism of Ron > Bashista. The man sent Ron a legitimate question, got an answer back > via email, and wrote an introductory paragraph to the > correspondence. In harmony with the "family" tone of this board, I > believe you owe Roy an apology for the above insult. > > Regards, > > Phil K > > ******************************************************************* > S Gang, > > I've dealt with Ron B. for the last three years and have had nothing > less > than outstanding communication & excellent customer service. He > restored a > one year old engine that my grandkids did their best to wreck for > such an > amazingly reasonable price I was not only surprised but very > thankful. In my > opinion Ron B. has more than taken up where A.C. Gilbert left off. > Anyone > who has the audacity to criticize Ron is either inept at being > courteous or > just plain ignorant. Take a moment of your time to read the history > of > American Models. I wonder how many of us so called American Flyer > Fans would > have taken the incredible risks Ron did to promote the hobby. > > Ed W. Pittsburgh, PA > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Roy Inman" <rinphoto@...> > To: "S-Scale" <S-Scale@yahoogroups.com>; "S-trains" > <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 7:05 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] FW: Comments from AmericanModels.com > > > > Hi all; > > Someone on one of the S lists said there was a delay problem in the > > reverse > > cycling of the E unit on the new Northern. > > This is the response I got from Ron at American Models. > > > > ---------- > >> From: "Ron Bashista, American Models" <rbashista1@...> > >> Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 18:31:08 -0500 > >> To: rinphoto@... > >> Subject: Re: Comments from AmericanModels.com > >> > >> Since we have never ones heard of this problem if it exist. Is > to be > >> ignored, We never build these to be an instant cycle in the first > >> place. Ron B > >> On Mar 23, 2006, at 2:08 PM, rinphoto@... () wrote: > >> > >>> Below is the result of your feedback form. It was submitted by > >>> (rinphoto@...) on Thursday, March 23, 2006 at 11:08:45 > >>> --------------------------------------------------------------- -- > ----- > >>> ----- > >>> > >>> email: rinphoto@... > >>> > >>> name: Roy Inman > >>> > >>> Street: 8937 Country Hill CT > >>> > >>> City: Lenexa > >>> > >>> State: KS > >>> > >>> Zip: 66215 > >>> > >>> Phone: 913-541-1759 > >>> > >>> Phone2: 913-205-7143 > >>> > >>> Fax: (xxx) xxx-xxxx > >>> > >>> method: Email > >>> > >>> comments: Word on the S Trains list says that after several hours > >>> (total) of running, the E unit on your new Northern changes from > an > >>> instant cycle to one that takes six seconds or so to go from > >>> neutral to forward, etc. Have you heard of this problem and is > >>> there a solution? Or is that person's unit perhaps defective? > >>> >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39638	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 3/24/2006
Subject: Re: 21107 Atlantic and High Price on Ebay

The answer is simple...... its the rare left hand version..... only a few thousand were made!!!!!! Bob I think one of the sets I recently sold on ebay for 9.99 might have this rare version.... ----- Original Message ----- From: "firex43" <john_keating@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 1:35 AM Subject: [S-Trains] 21107 Atlantic and High Price on Ebay > Perhaps the draw was the fact the the chassis was still intact. Almost > all of the 21107 locos that I've seen had broken chassis at the motor > end. Perhaps a casting defect or metal fatigue. John Keating > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39639	From: Jim Ensign	Date: 3/24/2006
Subject: Amercian Models Amtrak set

Speaking of American Models.... My interest was piqued the other day when I ran across an Americna Models Amtrak passenger set listed on e- bay. I didn't feel comfortable bidding on it because I've only been running postwar Flyer and just not that familiar with the modern products. Does anyone on this forum have experience with this AM set? I see on their web site that they have a Phase II and Phase III. What's the diffrence between the two, and what happened to Phase I? Just from the pictures I see, this looks like a nice set. I'd like to see a set in person, but living in Colorado limits me. I visited a shop that had the new AM Northern. It was OK -- looked better from a distance than it did up close. For the money, I personally would rather have the vintange ACG Northern - but that's just a personal opinion. I'm sure you guys that have the new one are enjoying them. All that said, what do you think of the Amtrak? Jim E.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39640	From: Roy Inman	Date: 3/24/2006
Subject: Re: Amercian Models Amtrak set

I just recently acquired an AM Amtrak. While it is not a brass quality set in terms of detailing, for the money it is excellent. Runs well. No sound but looks very realistic looping around. Roy I > From: Jim Ensign <hugoroundhouseflyer@...> > Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 16:36:48 +0000 > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] Amercian Models Amtrak set > > All that said, what do you think of the Amtrak?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39641	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 3/24/2006
Subject: Re: American Model Northern

In taking the unit apart to see why no Chuff Chuff or smoke, the infamous litle gizmo or bellows was not connected. However it is now and not that much trouble to put in order, the engine is chuffin and smoking just fine. However a diagram as to where the screws are located on the unit would have been helpfull. Overall this is a very good locomotive. Jerry Matsick

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39642	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 3/24/2006
Subject: Re: Amercian Models Amtrak set

Dear Jim, I think it is a lettering difference and not a phase of the locomotive. Best regards, Don Jim Ensign wrote: >Does anyone on this forum have experience with this AM set? I see on >their web site that they have a Phase II and Phase III. What's the >diffrence between the two, and what happened to Phase I? > >Jim E. > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39643	From: Rick Evans	Date: 3/24/2006
Subject: For the On30 converters to S........

........and you know who you are!! Check out this photo of Bachmann's On30 Beer Reefer. http://s-scale.org/albums/v/friends/bassflyer/bassflyer_004/ You can also check out their website for photos of the other paint schemes. I may have to get one ....or two....or....... Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39644	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 3/24/2006
Subject: Re: For the On30 converters to S........

On Fri, 24 Mar 2006 11:20:41 -0800, Rick Evans wrote: >........and you know who you are!! Yes, I am here... ;-) Been planning on doing that since our "new" neighbor across the street showed me his On3 sets and I had to run home for an AF box car to compare / believe my eyes. How about a detail shot bottom side? Maybe one dead on from the side parallel to the middle of the car while attached to an AF car? Get to see how well it all blends in. I am considering their tank and box cars to model 1915 to early 1920's range. Caboose will probably be an AM wood one, factory plain red, get someone to decal in CK&S. The On3 one just does not cut it. Thanks! Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39645	From: jt12313	Date: 3/24/2006
Subject: silly painting question

I'm going to repaint a Baldwin shell in Milwaukee colors for my Midwest collection and I am having painting brainlock. I cannot recall which color goes on first, the orange (the light color) or the black. Thanks in advance for any direction. Jeff [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39646	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 3/24/2006
Subject: Re: Amercian Models Amtrak set

----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Ensign" <hugoroundhouseflyer@...> . . . . . My interest was piqued the other day when I ran across an Americna Models Amtrak passenger set listed on e- bay.. . . . . . . . . . > > > > > > > > > -----------Response-------- These are still available from American Models. See http://www.americanmodels.com/sets.html and the price has been reduced. This site should also show you the two paint schemes. AM never did ATK's Phase one paint scheme. In the real world ATK is into plase four if not beyond. To a contemporary modeller, these ATK sets are "period modelling." The superliner cars are still in service, but the locos are mostly superceded by newer models, some being converted to unpowered control cars with a baggage door, used at the opposite end from the powered locomotive on push-pull shuttle service. Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39647	From: Roy Inman	Date: 3/24/2006
Subject: Re: FW: Comments from AmericanModels.com

Well, I am not quite convinced that a third party recognition of a possible problem, and then posting it is inappropriate. Hearsay is a term I tend to associate with legal matters, and not the casual exchange we experience on this list. I first saw the matter of the supposedly slow E unit on this list, then heard about it again from a local modeler. Ron's reply told me that all was well, that was the way the thing was supposed to work, so I left it at that. Another thing I think we all could perhaps consider is that Ron is producing this engine on a relatively mass-run basis. It is not a $2,000 Zephyr. Sort of reminds me just a little of an O-scale SP MTH Daylight I once sold (seller's remorse to this day). I told the buyer, a local guy, that it had been run about two hours worth and was not mint but in a 9++ condition, IMHO. After taking possession, he found a tiny scratch with a magnifying glass and complained. I had to explain to him it was a USED engine after all. And that there were (at the time) a couple on eBay, mint in the box, that were already bid up more than $500 above what my selling price was. And further, that if he really wanted to jump in and start bidding and pay at least $500 to get one that presumably had no scratch, I would refund his money. He declined the offer. Point being, no model ever made, brass, plastic or Zamac, was ever absolutely perfect in every way to everyone's eyes. As I said, I have yet to receive mine, so I have to rely on what others on the list say about how to unpack it, how it handles curves, etc. These comments I have read with great interest, as I did Ron's reply. When I get mine, I want to know what to expect. Many is the time I have gleaned information, second, third and fourth-hand, about products and methods that have saved me time, money and constarnation. Nearly as I can tell from this distance, even given what some may consider shortcomings, it is apparently one heck of an engine, especially for the money. Cheers :) Roy Inman > From: Joseph Higgins <joehigg@...> > Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 14:36:39 +0000 > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: FW: Comments from AmericanModels.com > > One of the ways rumors get started is by people repeating hearsay. > Someone thinks they remember someone posting something about > something or someone. > > Even if someone did have a problem with this or that, it is reckless > to repeat hearsay. It starts an entire thread about this or that > based on unsubstantiated allegations. > > Rons reply should never have been posted. It has the appearance of a > defense against an unsubstantiated allegation. > > If the issue about the possible problem was posted here, then it > could have been retrieved and the question, about the issue, > directed to the original poster. > > To suggest there is a problem with a product or person based on non- > personal experience and hearsay is made worse by posting the > response. > > Joe > > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Phil K" <waldootten@...> wrote: >> >>>> Anyone who has the audacity to criticize Ron is either inept at >> being courteous or just plain ignorant.<< >> >> Dear Ed, >> >> I read Roy Inman's post at least ten times and still cannot >> understand how anyone could interpret it as criticism of Ron >> Bashista. The man sent Ron a legitimate question, got an answer > back >> via email, and wrote an introductory paragraph to the >> correspondence. In harmony with the "family" tone of this board, I >> believe you owe Roy an apology for the above insult. >> >> Regards, >> >> Phil K >> >> ******************************************************************* >> S Gang, >> >> I've dealt with Ron B. for the last three years and have had > nothing >> less >> than outstanding communication & excellent customer service. He >> restored a >> one year old engine that my grandkids did their best to wreck for >> such an >> amazingly reasonable price I was not only surprised but very >> thankful. In my >> opinion Ron B. has more than taken up where A.C. Gilbert left off. >> Anyone >> who has the audacity to criticize Ron is either inept at being >> courteous or >> just plain ignorant. Take a moment of your time to read the > history >> of >> American Models. I wonder how many of us so called American Flyer >> Fans would >> have taken the incredible risks Ron did to promote the hobby. >> >> Ed W. Pittsburgh, PA >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Roy Inman" <rinphoto@...> >> To: "S-Scale" <S-Scale@yahoogroups.com>; "S-trains" >> <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> >> Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 7:05 PM >> Subject: [S-Trains] FW: Comments from AmericanModels.com >> >> >>> Hi all; >>> Someone on one of the S lists said there was a delay problem in > the >>> reverse >>> cycling of the E unit on the new Northern. >>> This is the response I got from Ron at American Models. >>> >>> ---------- >>>> From: "Ron Bashista, American Models" <rbashista1@...> >>>> Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 18:31:08 -0500 >>>> To: rinphoto@... >>>> Subject: Re: Comments from AmericanModels.com >>>> >>>> Since we have never ones heard of this problem if it exist. Is >> to be >>>> ignored, We never build these to be an instant cycle in the > first >>>> place. Ron B >>>> On Mar 23, 2006, at 2:08 PM, rinphoto@... () wrote: >>>> >>>>> Below is the result of your feedback form. It was submitted by >>>>> (rinphoto@...) on Thursday, March 23, 2006 at 11:08:45 >>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------- > -- >> ----- >>>>> ----- >>>>> >>>>> email: rinphoto@... >>>>> >>>>> name: Roy Inman >>>>> >>>>> Street: 8937 Country Hill CT >>>>> >>>>> City: Lenexa >>>>> >>>>> State: KS >>>>> >>>>> Zip: 66215 >>>>> >>>>> Phone: 913-541-1759 >>>>> >>>>> Phone2: 913-205-7143 >>>>> >>>>> Fax: (xxx) xxx-xxxx >>>>> >>>>> method: Email >>>>> >>>>> comments: Word on the S Trains list says that after several > hours >>>>> (total) of running, the E unit on your new Northern changes > from >> an >>>>> instant cycle to one that takes six seconds or so to go from >>>>> neutral to forward, etc. Have you heard of this problem and is >>>>> there a solution? Or is that person's unit perhaps defective? >>>>> >> > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39648	From: oldiron_tractor	Date: 3/24/2006
Subject: 322 hudson

Would any one have a wiring diagram of the 322 hudson. This one has just the two wires out from the tender & no reversing unit. I belive this to be a dc unit, trying to get it running for a buddy of mine. Thank you for your time.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39649	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 3/24/2006
Subject: Re: Amercian Models Amtrak set

----- Original Message ----- From: "Roy Inman" <rinphoto@...> . . . . . No sound but looks very realistic . . . . . . . .. . > > > > > > > > And if you want sound, add a "material handling car" (AM 50 foot boxcar in ATK paint) with a diesel sound board. Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39650	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 3/24/2006
Subject: Re: FW: Comments - Please keep 'em comming - New Engine Anxiety - U

Everything's ok and sometimes we all get unexpected reactions on an informal yahoo SIG list such as this one... I was also curious about the mentioned e-unit problems and so am glad that you pursued an opinion from AM and 3eduacted the group list on it... I do think that the best encouragement for manufacturers is to buy the product, but getting all the information you can ahead of time seems all right and sensible to me... I also like people stating what problems are found and recommended fixes... it is interesting that generally reported statements do seem to cause investigations to into action and usually yield interesting factual results.... sort of like investigative reporting by tenacious hobbyists... not that the group wants to turn into the National Inquirer of yahoo SIG lists :>) .... It's a practical issue that helps us all and doesn't demean the product or manufacturers... after all ours is a cottage industry and not a mass market by any measurement means so such information is generally helpful because manufacturer perfection is an admirably goal but may be challenging for our s-gauge manufacturing comrades to totally accomplish... So please keep any comments about products and services coming - positive and constructive issue comments, posts that ask if someone has experience with a product or service, even third party comments like a Lionel representative at a show said this regarding that... most of us are educated and knowledgeable enough to weigh the information for value, authenticity and accuracy... Makes me wonder how the real railroaders feel about a new engine?... probably like waiting on a new car that one really likes... The UPS delivery person has started to become a person I really like seeing - even know her name... ever see the brown delivery trucks around your house on the street and intercept the UPS delivery person to ask if there is that package for you... I wonder is there an amusing UPS phrase to describe people like me who bug the local UPS person when waiting for a special package... of course I really like vendors who give you the tracking number so I can tracking exactly where my shipment is every second of the day.... Waiting for my AM engine to appear in my railroad empire... and relieve my UPSitis.... :>) Scott Dee -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Roy Inman Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 2:24 PM To: Joseph Higgins; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: FW: Comments from AmericanModels.com Well, I am not quite convinced that a third party recognition of a possible problem, and then posting it is inappropriate..... : : :

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39651	From: Steve Blancard	Date: 3/24/2006
Subject: Re: For the On30 converters to S........

...Who you talkin'to??? ;-) I like beer...I mean beer reefer... Steve --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Evans" <bassflyer@...> wrote: > > ........and you know who you are!! > Check out this photo of Bachmann's On30 Beer Reefer. > http://s-scale.org/albums/v/friends/bassflyer/bassflyer_004/ > You can also check out their website for photos of the other paint schemes. > I may have to get one ....or two....or....... > > Rick. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39652	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 3/24/2006
Subject: Re;For the on30 converters to S...

You're right Rick, these Bachmann On30 cars are real nice for converting to S gauge. The size is about right, the conversion is simple, and the graphics are very good. I have done conversions both directions, making On30 into S gauge and S gauge cars into On30. The Bachmann cars are great for depicting turn of the century wooden truss rod cars in S. Keep on convertin' them guys! I'll have a couple of these at the Spree in May. Stumpy Stone...the Mad Butcher of Martins Ferry, OH.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39653	From: Al	Date: 3/24/2006
Subject: Back step on an AF 355 Baldwin diesel

I recently found in a yard sale an AF 355 Baldwin diesel. It has a problem that the back steps of the shell which the screw threads through has been broken off. The engine will not stay in the shell since there is nothing to hold it in. Anyone in this group have a damaged Baldwin shell of same design that they are willing to part with for a few bucks or trade? I'll pay shipping expense. Al Rawdon Layton, Utah

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39654	From: Trains	Date: 3/24/2006
Subject: Amtrak pahses etc. and clapboard siding

1. Amtrak paint schemes, as relates to American Models, are covered very nicely and completely in an article reviewing KATO N gauge F40PH sets on pages 14,15,16 in "Model Railroad News" Vol 12, Issue 2 - Feb 2006. Also a very nice ad for S-Helper Service 2-8-0 is shown on page 15. Support this publication..they have a section devoted to S every issue. And they are located in my neck of the woods. Per this issue: "As relates to Phases Phase I 1972 to aprox 1976...Wide red stripe on top wide blue stripe on bottom with narrow white band in middle with white arrow boxes on each end of stripes; Phase II 1976 - aprox 1980... almost same, except no arrow boxes; Phase III 1980-1994 aprox...all stripes same width; Phase IV 1994 - 2001 changed to two narrow red and white stipes over wide navy blue stripe; Phase V current scheme (see Acela) teal, blue and silver with narrow red stripes..." This is quoted loosely from MRN and if you want more check out this article. As`regards to clapboard siding several mnufacturers of wood modeling materials make clapboard and other types of wood siding in different thickneses and board spacings, almost all are made of basswood, the best for modeling due to dense grain. Stay away from Balsa wood for scale model construction...to soft and way to large wood grain. Best to all, Dr. K. Loeb (Peter) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39655	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 3/24/2006
Subject: LTI NORTHERNS?????????????

Anyone have a date as to when the LTI 4-8-4 Northerns are to hit the Air waves (Delivery) ? Mike PS: I was given May but no real # day. This was by the same people that gave me March. I ordered mine back in Aug. of ought'4 I think or ought'5 ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39656	From: Jim Ensign	Date: 3/24/2006
Subject: Amtrak responses

Thanks to all of you for the information on the American Models Amtrak set. I especially appreciat the info on Amtrak "phases". I (wrongly) thought it referred to phases of the AM product - little did I know that it referred to the prototype! That's what I really appreciate about forums such as this - the opportunity to learn something new every day. I'll keep my eye out for a "deal" on an AM set. Have a great weekend of train fun ! Jim E.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39657	From: charlie and edith	Date: 3/24/2006
Subject: Armature Spacer Washer

Greetings! A Question for the group....what is the purpose/function of the armature spacer washer in a steam engine? Is it to center the armature in the field, to adjust the "mesh" between the armature and drive wheel gears (if so, is there a way to determine correct "mesh"?) or ....? What is a "reasonable" amount of travel for the armature when the rear drive wheels are rotated in forward and reverse? The steam engines I have, average about one armature plate to one field plate in movement? Would this be a "reasonable" amount, does it vary from engine to engine, is there a standard or....? My thanks for your thoughts and best wishes, Charlie [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39658	From: ED WHELAN	Date: 3/24/2006
Subject: It's time to say goodby

BlankGreetings to All, Several months ago a very nice individual suggested that I join this S group in order to learn more about the wonderful hobby my Dad introduced me to 50 years ago. This person's (who's identity will remain confidential for fear of retribution or association by recommending me to this group) love for the American Flyer Hobby is second to none. I originally thought this would be an extremely pleasant experience. To the contrary, it has diminished my new found love for the trains I hold most dear. I have no central vision any longer, my vision is 5/1600, but managed to put together a 10' x 10' platform by myself without any help from anyone two years ago and thanks to my wife, I'm going to attempt a 14' x 16' this year. Don't get me wrong, I have never looked for sympathy from anyone. However, when I hear from time to time, negative comments about a situation or individual it kind of makes me a bit angry. Extreme appreciation to all of you who have helped me in many many ways with outstanding tips & helpful hints. To those of you who have intercepted my comments as insulting, please forgive me for offending you. Thank goodness for the old A.F manuals that are available. They are a source I can still rely upon. God Bless You each and Every one. Ed Whelan-Pittsburgh, PA [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39659	From: Rick Evans	Date: 3/25/2006
Subject: Re: It's time to say goodby

Well Ed, I hate to see ya go. There has always been a feud or two here on the list, sometimes just simple misunderstandings but they always seem to blow over. It's hard to get ten people to agree let alone a 1,000 or so! :^) But, ya gotta do what ya gotta do. I hope ya pop in from time to time, and ENJOY your trains! Rick "Take a ride on the 'S' side" Evans. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39660	From: T Larson	Date: 3/25/2006
Subject: fyi - from another list

Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 00:20:53 -0000 From: "smason22000" <smason2@...> Subject: Thanks for your Support Hi folks, When I decided to produce a DVD, I figured I'd sell a couple, have a few laughs, and go back to playing with my trains. I never figured I'd sell out the entire run and have to order more, but that has happened. I know many of you here on this forum have supported my effortsd by purchasing a DVD, and I just wanted to say thanks. I've kept a file of all the encouraging e-mails I've received. To date, there are over 400. Wow! Thank you very much. As a result of the success I've had, (or maybe it's just dumb luck) I'm beginning production on the next DVD, tentatively entitled "Building Craftsman Structure Kits, Volume 2". This DVD will have many more tips, tricks and techniques. It will include footage of the newly restored Pennsy Middle Division, and a "special guest star" will be doing a segment on finishing a diorama with scenery. Production of this DVD will start in April, and I hope to have the finished product available in June. Please stay tuned. For those of you who haven't seen, heard about or already purchased volume 1, "Building Craftsman Structure Kits", you can see a three minute preview, read the reviews, and if you want, purchase it online on my website, www.scottymason.com Again, thank you for your support. Scott -- Ted Larson http://www.aroundcinci.com/icams/museum/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39661	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 3/25/2006
Subject: Re;It's time to say goodbye

Sorry you feel you must leave Ed. I well understand there are times when everyone is hurt or angered over things said on ANY forum. But that's part of this internet thing. This also is a place where you can meet new people and learn new things. The information, too me, is worth the occassional hassles. This electronic medium is so fast that folks often can write things faster than they consider what they are saying. Why don't you try lurking for awhile? Give time for things to settle down. If you must leave, there is a local club in the Pittsburgh area of course and events not too far from you like the upcoming S Spree you can go to so you're not "cut off" from the S gauge world. Stumpy Stone...having been singed several times...Martins Ferry, OH.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39662	From: Joseph Higgins	Date: 3/25/2006
Subject: Re: It's time to say goodby

Ed, I couldn't agree with you more. But I fear your words will fall on deaf ears. This sort of badmouthing has been going on in the "S" community for years. It is usually directed at supplies who don't act like they are everyone's buddy. Act in a way some don't think is friendly, and you're going to get labeled. In such a small market, you might think that anyone who tries to supply products or equipment would be supported without regard to personality. This is not to say that there are not some very fine people in "S", who don't participate in the rumor mongering and badmouthing. In fact there are probably only a few very vocal bad apples. Maybe the good apples should stand up and put down the rumor mongers. Over the past several years of being on this list, I have read time and time again the type of insulting comments you refer to, directed at certain individuals. Usually it is admitted, that it is second hand information, but are just adding their 2 cents, in how they think people should act or how businesses should be run. If you post disagreeing with any of these "informed observations", you are flooded with "hate mail". I personally have not purchased or had any dealings with any of the dealers, so I can't comment and therefore shouldn't comment, on their personalities or business ethic. But that doesn't seem to stop others from commenting on other peoples comments on someone else's experiences. I once asked someone on this list to relate the experience they were commenting on about a particular dealer, the response I got was " oh I never dealt with him, but everyone else says.....". One particular person, who is very vocal, admitted that he never actually had any dealings with one dealer that he constantly rags on, but he "didn't like his phone personality" he, "seemed to be rushed and not willing to talk trains" . Probably called on the dealers 800 order line, just to shoot the breeze. I don't think you should leave the group, if more people would respond as you or I did, maybe things would change. IMHO --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "ED WHELAN" <ejw333@...> wrote: > > BlankGreetings to All, > > Several months ago a very nice individual suggested that I join this S group in order to learn more about the wonderful hobby my Dad introduced me to 50 years ago. This person's (who's identity will remain confidential for fear of retribution or association by recommending me to this group) love for the American Flyer Hobby is second to none. I originally thought this would be an extremely pleasant experience. To the contrary, it has diminished my new found love for the trains I hold most dear. > > I have no central vision any longer, my vision is 5/1600, but managed to put together a 10' x 10' platform by myself without any help from anyone two years ago and thanks to my wife, I'm going to attempt a 14' x 16' this year. Don't get me wrong, I have never looked for sympathy from anyone. However, when I hear from time to time, negative comments about a situation or individual it kind of makes me a bit angry. > > Extreme appreciation to all of you who have helped me in many many ways with outstanding tips & helpful hints. To those of you who have intercepted my comments as insulting, please forgive me for offending you. > > Thank goodness for the old A.F manuals that are available. They are a source I can still rely upon. > > God Bless You each and Every one. > > Ed Whelan-Pittsburgh, PA > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39663	From: Rick Evans	Date: 3/25/2006
Subject: Photo gallery and info

Just a reminder, it's not just pretty faces and train pics at the new gallery. Diagrams, layout plans, etc. , and room for lot's more! http://s-scale.org/albums/v/?g2_navId=xfe9b8472 Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39664	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 3/25/2006
Subject: Re: silly painting question

Hi Jeff, In painting of models (and just about anything) you usually start with the lightest color and progress to the darker ones. I have a set of Flyonel streamlined cars I painted for Milwaukee Road and started with the orange, then to the maroon and finally the black. Remember, dark colors cover lighter ones better than the reverse. It can be done, but usually with more paint. And the more paint you use, the more the parting lines are visible and the more likelihood of "bleed through" of paint under the masking tape. Photos upon request. :>) Good luck! Jerry Poniatowski Registrar, 2006 NASG Convention --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "jt12313" <jt12313@...> wrote: > > I'm going to repaint a Baldwin shell in Milwaukee colors for my Midwest collection and I am having painting brainlock. I cannot recall which color goes on first, the orange (the light color) or the black. Thanks in advance for any direction. > > Jeff > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39665	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 3/25/2006
Subject: Re: For the On30 converters to S........

Hello you 0n30 Converters, I've been eyeing the 0n30 comments and I am intrigued by the conversions. Are you talking Bachmann 0n30 for the most part? And is it as simple as swapping out the 0n30 trucks for some SHS trucks? I see Bachmann old fashion 0n30 passenger cars advertised in MR for like $22.00-are these ok for S gauge? Living in the backwoods of Maine, I have no hobby shop to go take a look for myself; I appreciate your comments. Thanks, Tom Stoltz Tom's Turnouts & Trackwork Maine S Gaugers NASG [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39666	From: Roy Inman	Date: 3/25/2006
Subject: Walthers Swing Bridge

Hi all; I see that Walthers has their HO Swing Bridge on sale, about 50% off. I passed up getting the Bascule bridge kit a few years back, (dad, rat and blast!) and it apparently is close enough to use for S. Anyone know if the Swing Bridge is close enough for S as well? Cheers :) Roy Inman www.unionstationphotos.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39667	From: Rick Evans	Date: 3/25/2006
Subject: Re: For the On30 converters to S........

****(((((Caboose will probably be an AM wood one, factory plain red, get someone to decal in CK&S. The On3 one just does not cut it.))))**** I like the little On30 caboose, BUT, my favorite is my wooden caboose from AM, as Michael mentioned above. http://s-scale.org/albums/d/1917-2/SP+Wooden+Caboose.JPG Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39668	From: oldiron_tractor	Date: 3/25/2006
Subject: 322 hudson

Hello All. Thank you for all the answers I have recived. I would like to add the fallowing on the hudson. Some have asked if the smoke unit was in the rear of the engian, It is in the front of the boiler. I would like to thank Clayton for all the help. one last thing can I test this on my AF track or how can I go about testing. Thank you & take care.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39669	From: Roy Inman	Date: 3/25/2006
Subject: Re: It's time to say goodby

Bad mouthing can take many forms. One of the most frequent, and one that seems to not offend anyone on this list is the reporting of bad eBay transactions or of way overpriced items. At least I presume you are not speaking of eBay. However, as an independent freelance photographer, I know that service these days (in ANY business) is absolutely the name of the game. Should the affected individual confront the seller first? Sure, because the seller is the only one who can do anything about it, short of mail fraud, etc., wherein the authorities get involved. Is it a service to others on the list to make known a "bad" seller? If the information is correct, and we have no way of knowing that, then maybe so. Once when I had a problem with an SHS turnout, I went to the list first and asked if anyone else had experienced the problem. Don Thompson went out of his way to email me personally and let me know to contact him first in future and he would take care of it. And it he did take care of the problem, and rapidly I might add. I could be persuaded either way. But if there is a seller who for instance takes someone's money for S stuff and doesn't ship, ever, I think I would want to know about that. I guess my point is that maybe if the bad mouthing is entirely justified, and comes from first-hand experience, or a reliable source, then perhaps it is information people on this list need to know. But, like I say, I could be persuaded that this is the wrong approach... Cheers :) Roy Inman www.unionstationphotos.com > From: Joseph Higgins <joehigg@...> > Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 14:23:03 +0000 > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: It's time to say goodby > > > I don't think you should leave the group, if more people would > respond as you or I did, maybe things would change.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39670	From: Rick Evans	Date: 3/25/2006
Subject: On30 conversions

***(((I've been eyeing the 0n30 comments and I am intrigued by the conversions. Are you talking Bachmann 0n30 for the most part? And is it as simple as swapping out the 0n30 trucks for some SHS trucks?)))*** I myself, have only done three On30 conversions, so far, and they were all Bachmann. Steve Blancard got me interested in doing so. Check his page at: http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/on3/on3.html I think I did a few MINOR things differently, (on the caboose), but with the same results. I have NOT tackled the On30 coach yet, it's a little trickier to add the trucks. Steve has done so however, and I should bug him to update his conversion page. (Hey Steve! Update your conversion page!!) :^) You can also use Flyer trucks, but the SHS trucks look much nicer IMHO. I'm gonna try to post some new photos comparing the On30 cars with SHS and Flyer. Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39671	From: Ironhorse	Date: 3/25/2006
Subject: Re: It's time to say goodby

Hello Ed; It saddens me to read you have had negative issues In "S" gauge. I think you have had bad luck in meeting with the better half of the group. We are out there.....in spades. For every bad apple out there there are a hundred good ones. The great majority (an understatement) of "S" gaugers (you will find) are the best Model railroaders. If you see a negative discussion in this forum don't read it, and don't read the replies. No matter what hobby you get into there will be something or someone you will not like. However sometimes we need to be told that there is someone or something to be wary of. Sometimes a negative issue will save a lot of us some grief in one form or another. There are at times someone complaining with good reason to. I have been guilty of that myself. I am sorry I may have offended anyone. You should attend a NASG convention when It comes into your area. You will have a great experience. I know this for a fact. Anyway stick with us. Roger Hinds "Swing and sway the "S" Gauge way. ED WHELAN wrote: > To the contrary, it has diminished my new found love for the trains I hold most dear. > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39672	From: Ironhorse	Date: 3/25/2006
Subject: Re: Armature Spacer Washer

One reason is to prevent the armature from shifting back and forth as you change direction. Shifting could cause the loco to run better in one direction than the other. I add an extra washer (if needed) to reduce the shifting even more. But not to the point that it will bind. I look for about 10 thousand of an inch of play. However this measurement is not critical . Roger Hinds charlie and edith wrote: >Greetings! A Question for the group....what is the purpose/function of the armature spacer washer in a steam engine? >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39673	From: glenn allen	Date: 3/25/2006
Subject: Railway Modeller

The following is a copy of a news item in the Railway Modeller copy of April 2006 : 60 years of the S Scale Society. In April 1946, Eric Manning founded the 'Half-One Model Railway Society' with just three members. By September, the number had risen to eleven. In the early days, the modellers worked to both 3/16" and 5mm scales and to a variety of wqheel standards. But in 1947, with the membership split evenly between the two, the Society decided the scale would be whichever was used by the next member to join! So 3/16" to the foot was adopted in Britain, with a track gauge of 7/8" In 1952 the 'Half-One' designation was dropped in favour of 'S-Gauge' with a further change to 'S scale' in 1991 to recognise the fact that members modelled in several gauges, albeit at a constant scale. Whilst being the oldest 'scale' society, in terms of membership the S Scale Model Railway Society is still the smallest. It seems unlikely that there will be any significant commercial development of the scale, so S scale will remain a niche scale for experienced modellers who want the challenge of creating something different. Congratulations to the Society. As you can see, S scale has been here (England) for some time, it is disappointing that it hasn't taken off, even 3mm scale is more popular, and it does seem that there might be scope for American suppliers to make themelves better known over here, especially those that supply parts etc. I still haven't found one model shop that stocks any form of S scale. At the Chatham club on Tuesday coming we are having a talk from one of our former members on S scale, which he models in, unfortunately I can't be there to question him, but at a later date I will make a point of speaking to him, I'll post the dialogue at a later date as I think that it might be of interest to t'other side o'pond modelers who have access to a much better supply chain to see how much of a struggle it is over here. ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger - NEW crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39674	From: Donald Munsey Jr.	Date: 3/25/2006
Subject: Re: On30 conversions

My Friend"S", Don't have a beer reefer yet, but these links are to some pix that I took of the Bachmann On30 stuff with AF and SHS stuff. http://s-scale.org/albums/v/friends/dmunseyjr/bachmann_On30_stock_car_with_SHS_SS_boxcar.jpg.html http://s-scale.org/albums/v/friends/dmunseyjr/On30hopperswithSscalehopperscrpadj.jpg.html http://s-scale.org/albums/v/friends/dmunseyjr/On30hopperwithconvertedAFSscalehoppercrpadj.jpg.html http://s-scale.org/albums/v/friends/dmunseyjr/On30hopperwithSHSSscalehoppercrpadj.jpg.html http://s-scale.org/albums/v/friends/dmunseyjr/Bach_On30_climax_with_S_boxcar_and_figures_crpd.jpg.html Keep in touch! Don Munsey, Jr. Sn42 and Hn42 logging fan and VGN Rwy fan living in the UpperRightCorner of Louisiana. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Evans" <bassflyer@...> To: "STrains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 12:59 PM Subject: [S-Trains] On30 conversions > ***(((I've been eyeing the 0n30 comments and I am intrigued by the > conversions. > Are you talking Bachmann 0n30 for the most part? And is it as simple as > swapping out the 0n30 trucks for some SHS trucks?)))*** > > I myself, have only done three On30 conversions, so far, and they were all > Bachmann. Steve Blancard got me interested in doing so. Check his page > at: http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/on3/on3.html > > I think I did a few MINOR things differently, (on the caboose), but with > the same results. > I have NOT tackled the On30 coach yet, it's a little trickier to add the > trucks. Steve has > done so however, and I should bug him to update his conversion page. > (Hey Steve! Update your conversion page!!) :^) > > You can also use Flyer trucks, but the SHS trucks look much nicer IMHO. > > I'm gonna try to post some new photos comparing the On30 cars with SHS and > Flyer. > > Rick. > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39675	From: Clay Buckage	Date: 3/25/2006
Subject: Re: Armature Spacer Washer

I'm sure there are a number of reasons However, I have been taught that the armature should be centered on the magnet to provide the best performance in both directions. The thrust washer comes in 3 sizes combinations of the sizes should provide centering of the armature. Any other thoughts? Hope this helps -Clay --- Ironhorse <cofa@...> wrote: > One reason is to prevent the armature from shifting > back and forth as > you change direction. > Shifting could cause the loco to run better in one > direction than the > other. I add an extra washer > (if needed) to reduce the shifting even more. But > not to the point that > it will bind. I look for about > 10 thousand of an inch of play. However this > measurement is not critical . > > Roger Hinds > > charlie and edith wrote: > > >Greetings! A Question for the group....what is the > purpose/function of the armature spacer washer in a > steam engine? > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39676	From: Steve McGuire	Date: 3/25/2006
Subject: Source for bells?

Guys, I'm looking for S-scale bells (not real bells-lol). I build model fire apparatus in S-scale, but it's getting increasingly expensive to have to buy a whole truck just for parts. Anybody have any ideas? Thanks! Steve

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39677	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 3/25/2006
Subject: Re: On30 conversions

On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 14:50:52 -0600, Donald Munsey J wrote: http://s-scale.org/albums/v/friends/dmunseyjr/bachmann_On30_stock_car_with_SHS_S S_boxcar.jpg.html There's the kind of pic I was looking for... ;-) They match up well. It looks like you use non-AF compatable couplers. Difference being what SHS vs another brand of trucks, or... ??? Th one... http://s-scale.org/albums/v/friends/dmunseyjr/Bach_On30_climax_with_S_boxcar_and _figures_crpd.jpg.html Is that Shay converted to S? I think this On30 -> AF S deserves a HOWTO and FAQ page at some point. Looks like lots of ideas and options flying, would be nice to know "what worked / what didn't", etc... Thanks! Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39678	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 3/25/2006
Subject: Sunday Chat, 3/26/2006, 8:00 pm

Reminder from the Calendar of S-Trains Sunday Chat Sunday March 26, 2006 8:00 pm - 11:00 pm This event repeats every week. The next reminder for this event will be sent in 23 hours, 4 minutes. Event Location: http://s-scale.org/forum/ Street: http://s-scale.org/forum/ Notes: http://s-scale.org/forum/ ADVERTISEMENT Copyright ©  2006  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved. Privacy Policy - Terms of Service

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39679	From: Trains	Date: 3/25/2006
Subject: Re: what is the purpose/function of armature spacer washer (AF) ste

Re: Greetings! A Question for the group....what is the purpose/function of the armature spacer washer in a steam engine? The washer(s) (re: AF steam engines?) are there, in my opinion, to keep armature from banging back and forth with motor direction or change in rotational speed. They also provide a "thrust" bearing surface that allows for wear and movement. These washer(s) should be paper thin and made of a quality steel, stainless steel or phosphor bronze and are often refered to as "shim" washers. I use washer(s) to take up slack, center armature in field and (after tightening of screws that hold entire motor assembly to frame) by trial and error, and still allow for free rotation of armature...no friction or binding. There are variations even with mass produced motors and these shims, along with thicker brass washers provide some adjustment and fine tuning. The worm end of the motor is long enough to allow for all the adjustment needed without any comromise to performance. Also be sure to remove all old AF grease and replace with quality modern grease, I use a lithium/Teflon based fishing reel gear lube. Be sure to check that washers do not interfear (short) with brush tubes and lube felt fiber plug at brush end of shaft with a little oil. You might want to get any of several manuals on AF repairs some are paperback and some may be hardbound or loose leaf and on CD. Hope this helps...Dr. K. Loeb (Peter) ----- Original Message ----- From: "charlie and edith" <charlieandedith@...> To: <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 8:55 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Armature Spacer Washer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39680	From: dale reynolds	Date: 3/25/2006
Subject: new CTT

great to see the shot of jerry p's layout, if the gal on the bench is as cute as she looks from afar, the guy on the end should be sitting a lot closer.... and how about the shot of the new shs consol in the news section, in my favorite scheme, bet that sells a few more of these beauties.... Dale Reynolds, Pendleton SC reynoldsdale@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39681	From: John Gibson	Date: 3/25/2006
Subject: Burlington North S scale Brass for Sale

Greetings: The widow of Michael Elkin, a 1960's to 80's Southern California S scale modeler, is selling the following pieces: Overland Models SD 40-2. Painted in BN scheme, road number 7060 Modern Models Wide-Vision Caboose. Painted in BN scheme, road number 12517. Elkins was an excellent modeler and added many extra features to these units making them unique. The equipment is very nicely weathered and is equipped with Kadee couplers. I bench tested the engine and it runs very smoothly (thought it will need to be lubricated for long term use) and has operating alternating ditch lights (in forward). These units are beautiful and would look right at home in a 1970's era layout. Photos available upon request. Prices are as follows: SD 40-2 $1,000.00 USD Caboose $250.00 USD Purchaser to pay for insured shipping. Please contact me offline if interested or have any questions. Thank you, John Gibson Rocklin, CA

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39682	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 3/25/2006
Subject: Re;On30 conversions

I've done some Bachmann On30 freight cars using S Helper 50 ton Andrews hi-rail trucks and couplers. I just cut off the coupler box with my Dremel and used the Bachmann screw to attach the SHS trucks and couplers. For the caboose and passenger cars you'll probably want to use SHS caboose couplers and tender trucks for electrical pick up. Steve Blanchard and Rick Evans have done cabooses. The Bachmann On30 cars are shorter than regular S scale cars(about 36' length)but otherwise darn close in proportion. They are pretty nice wooden truss rod cars for the price. At this point there are very few manufacturers of On30 rolling stock. Other than B'mann it's expensive craftsman kits and short industrial or agricultural type cars not really suitable for easy conversion. I have converted S cars to On30 to get rolling stock not availible in On30. Stumpy Stone...dual scale kit basher in Appalachia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39683	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 3/25/2006
Subject: Jacksonville layout

The guys from around the south really put on a nice 24 x 42 "S" layout.... really nice.... all kins of Flyer and American Models running..... And really smooth.... There were more people watching this layout than the slightly longer HO layout..... kids were all having a great time pushing buttons, acessories working away....... Mark had the only "S" stuff for sale there.... Bob.... THANKS GUYS FOR ALL YOUR EFFORTS......

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39684	From: Donald Munsey Jr.	Date: 3/25/2006
Subject: Re: On30 conversions

Michael, I use a mix & match of Kadee 802s, SHS's kadee look alikes, Kadee HO #5 and even some Kadee O-Scale couplers and some of my stuff still has AF knuckles ( BTW, the Kadee O-scale and the SHS and AF knuckles are compatible). The SHS AF compatibles have found their way unto my halfinch locos and cars to replace the LGB hook and loop couplers. When the day comes that I have more that a yard long test track, I hope to have everything either with Kadee 802s or the SHS look alikes. With Kadees or SHSs the coupler height on converted Bachmann On30 is perfect - if you grind off the low hanging coupler pad box that Bachmann uses to match HO coupler heights. On the hoppers, the pad is designed by Bachmann to be mounted upside down for use by the On3 crowd - with SHS trucks the 1:64 coupler height is also perfect. The shay will not be converted to 1:64 std gauge, but will remain as an Sn42 loco with a new lower cab or plantation style roof over the entire loco - doesn't need much else!. Some of the On3 bunch have widened the Shay's wheels to the 3/4" gauge they need - but the extra 1/8" we need requires new axles and will probably make the helical drive gears on the wheel too thin. The two Climax locos, however, are a different story!! Their trucks can be widened to 7/8" gauge by simply using a new axle entending bushing of Evergreen styrene tubing on each end. A tab of brass or styrene to widen the truck sideframes and you're off to the woods! The biggest problem is coupler height. The multi-height coupler pockets are an integral part of the die-cast frame and will require some drilling and filing to remount the coupler in the higher slot. Hope this helps! Keep in touch. Don Munsey, Jr. Sn42 and Hn42 logging fan and VGN Rwy fan living in the UpperRightCorner of Louisiana. BTW, I'm working on an article about converting several On30 items to S-scale: various On3/On30 arch bar trucks, BVM's Dunkirk logging loco and now the Bachmann Climax locos. Have the words pretty much done (except for the Dunkirk) - just need to get the pix done. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Lueck" <pianoman@...> To: "Donald Munsey Jr." <dmunseyjr@...>; "Rick Evans" <bassflyer@...>; "STrains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 4:12 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] On30 conversions > On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 14:50:52 -0600, Donald Munsey J > wrote: > > http://s-scale.org/albums/v/friends/dmunseyjr/bachmann_On30_stock_car_with_SHS_S > S_boxcar.jpg.html > > There's the kind of pic I was looking for... ;-) They match up well. It > looks > like you use non-AF compatable couplers. Difference being what SHS vs > another > brand of trucks, or... ??? > > > Th > one... > > http://s-scale.org/albums/v/friends/dmunseyjr/Bach_On30_climax_with_S_boxcar_and > _figures_crpd.jpg.html > > Is that Shay converted to S? > > I think this On30 -> AF S deserves a HOWTO and FAQ page at some point. > Looks > like lots of ideas and options flying, would be nice to know "what worked > / > what didn't", etc... > > Thanks! > Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39685	From: Phil K	Date: 3/25/2006
Subject: All American Train Show

CHASM -- one of the satellite organizations under the umbrella of the Chicagoland Association of S Gaugers -- set up its modular layout Friday night and took part in the All American Train Show at Lyons Township HS in LaGrange, Ill. Saturday. The show runs through today (March 26). CHASM (aka Chicagoland Hirailers And Scale Modelers) members spent the day singing the praises of S amid a vast, gymnasium-sized sea of operating layouts of all scales. There was no selling at this show; it was strictly an exhibition and was extremely well-attended, boding well for the future of the hobby. The S gauge layout and choo-choos drew a lot of praise and attention. On the layout early the first morning was an AM tuscan 5- stripe GG-1 pulling a string of tuscan American Flyer heavyweights, plus a new AM Santa Fe Northern hauling a long 30-car mixed freight. Traditional Gilbert Flyer and SHS locomotives were awaiting their turn on the ovals. An army of eager youngsters gave the club layout's numerous operating accessories quite a workout, with several 50-year-old mechanical Flyer whistles punctuating the air amid the frequent sounds of 1:1 railroading just outside an adjacent wall. The LTHS gym butts right up against the BNSF's very busy 3-track main into Chicago, aka Chicago's racetrack. A good time was had by all. Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39686	From: Rick Evans	Date: 3/25/2006
Subject: USA Flags

Need any for the layout? Check out: http://www.creativity-portal.com/howto/artscrafts/miniatures.html You can print them out. Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39687	From: oldiron_tractor	Date: 3/26/2006
Subject: 322 hudson

Sorry folks silly me. I should have read my own post A bit more clearly before hitting send. Yes I do know that it will opperate on my AF track but what i wanted to know was about the power needed to test it out. Thank you & take care.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39688	From: Bob W.	Date: 3/26/2006
Subject: Flyonel docksider

I have a question on the flyonel docksider. When i took mine out of the package and on the layout it seems that it sits there for two secounds before it responds. both directions. At that point i just thought thats the way they are. So I was trying to get used to it. Which I havent. Then i ordered the massabe engine and right out of the box it didnt even move. had to return on warranty work and now it works fine and there is no hesistation. So this got me to wonder if the docksider is not suppose to have any hesitation and is suppose to respond like this? So i know a lot of you have this unit and can tell me is this normal or does it need to be sent in on its warranty? Thanks. Bob wight http://www.tripptrains.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39689	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 3/26/2006
Subject: Re: new CTT

Hi Dale, The shot of my layout was part of about a dozen similar ones that I sent in, and I think they captioned the wrong one. There's another of the opposite side of the station with just the guy in it. But as to the girl, I can tell you that although she's cute, she's also one of those shallow plastic gals. In fact, I hear she's even from Plasticville! Jerry Poniatowski With tongue firmly in cheek.... --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "dale reynolds" <reynoldsdale@...> wrote: > > great to see the shot of jerry p's layout, if the gal on the bench is as cute as she looks from afar, the guy on the end should be sitting a lot closer.... and how about the shot of the new shs consol in the news section, in my favorite scheme, bet that sells a few more of these beauties.... > > > Dale Reynolds, Pendleton SC > reynoldsdale@... > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39690	From: beechcricker	Date: 3/26/2006
Subject: AF 290 Issue

Hello, I haven't posted in quite a spell but thought I would now as I'm having issues with my 290. When I hold the (metal) tender shell off to the side it runs fine. Of course that creates operational issues of its own! However, when I place the shell back on the tender's underframe, the 290 just hums (I can hear the drum clicking when I apply power). The drum is clean. The fingers are almost new and firm against the drum. The brushes are clean too. How might I resolve this problem? Jeff Feldmeier

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39691	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 3/26/2006
Subject: Great Western & Atlantic Train Show, 3/26/2006, 11:00 am

Reminder from the Calendar of S-Trains Great Western & Atlantic Train Show Sunday March 26, 2006 11:00 am - 4:00 pm This event does not repeat. Notes: 24 by 45 foot S gauge layout to be operated by members of the Georgia, Tidewater, and Carolinas Divisions of the Atlantic Coast S Gaugers ADVERTISEMENT Copyright ©  2006  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved. Privacy Policy - Terms of Service

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39692	From: muniman18	Date: 3/26/2006
Subject: saying good bye

ED i think you are making a mkistake by leaving the group I enjoy reading everyones comments on all subjects. I learn this way. This great land was founded on different views If everyone thought the same we would have a very bland existance. To dissagree on any subject provokes thought and search. heck if everyone aggred with me i'd shoot my self. Aslong as the arguments are constructive and not personal so what!!! you say "potato I say pahtato" same thing different pronounciation. STAY with IT your views are always welcomed as mine and as many people who log onto this web site. if you decide to leave so be it . Hang in there . Mike

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39693	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 3/26/2006
Subject: Re: Atlantic Coast S Gaugers - Jacksonville Show

What a great bunch of guys who came to Jacksonville to display a great "S" Gauge Modular Layout and Yard, Over the years I have enjoyed modular layouts, but this is the FIRST S gauge layout and the trains and men who ran them were super - thanks for coming. The Great Western and Atlantic Train show - itself was lacking, first of all very few vendors there to sell their trains, thanks to Mark Preman for being there with his American Flyer trains. Jerry Matsick Jacksonville

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39694	From: Knight, Gene	Date: 3/26/2006
Subject: cool website

I just received this link in my email and it is quite interesting. You can search for almost anything and it will map all the locations in your area. It has train shops, railroad attractions and train clubs plus a lot of other stuff. http://www.mapmuse.com Gene

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39695	From: Jenni Sipla	Date: 3/26/2006
Subject: Re: 322 hudson

The 322 was only made in A/C. When ever gilbert did make a d/c engine it was taged D/C on the cab. so the number will show 322 DC. Bret oldiron_tractor <whitford@...> wrote: Sorry folks silly me. I should have read my own post A bit more clearly before hitting send. Yes I do know that it will opperate on my AF track but what i wanted to know was about the power needed to test it out. Thank you & take care. S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously low rates. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39696	From: Spots350SL@aol.com	Date: 3/26/2006
Subject: #303 Loco and "stuff" for sale

Anyone interested in a #303 loco, with smoke and "choo choo"? It worked perfectly until I removed the e-unit, a year ago, to replace the leads, but never got around to it. I might get it running and put it on ebay, unless someone here wants it. Make an offer (ships from Chicago, 60640). The actual train is in very good condition, with all steps, and hardly any knicks or scratches (I'm looking at it right now, id say its pretty close to a perfect 50 year old train) shell is stamped Aug 1956. I take paypal (at this address), check or money order. Thanks! -Michael PS. I also have an extra plastic tender from a 307 (all steps), and a 15B or 8B transformer (i will keep one of the two). [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39697	From: David Dewey	Date: 3/26/2006
Subject: Them Thrust washers

this is a great, fairly basic question--with (as usual) a number of different answers! At the factory, these were used to "fix" manufacturing variations in the assembly process. The brass washers came in three different thicknesses. Ideally, you want a little play with the motor cold, required, because when the motor is hot, it expands, and will bind if there isn't enough play. How much? egads, I've never measured it! So much for at the factory! At the repair station, they were added to take up wear, as the repair station had access to all the correct parts and a list of what parts matched what other motor parts. Uh Oh, ACG changed stuff as the years went along?? YEP!! I'd have to dig out my notes, but no time, Linda wants to leave for town, so this is just a quick note--longer note will be likely at chat tonite!! (hint, hint, come to chat!). If you mix the wrong parts together, the armature will either bind up without any spacer washers, or the armature will have too much space, AND the commutator will hit the brush tubes. Wear can also allow the armature to hit the brush tubes. So, to be way too simple, but enough info to let you know when you have problems: you should be able to move the armature back an forth a small amount, and the armature should be clear of the brush tubes (on the round brush, coil spring type motor). If you have to add spacers on the commutator end, make certain they don't short out the commutator! BTW, even with the spacing correct, it is likely the engine will run faster in one direction than the other. Caused by wear on the gears, or commutator alignment with the armature coils, wear on the commutator, or just gremlins--this has been fodder for many long discussions on this list! S' David D. PS Ed, hope you don't leave the list, there really are a bunch of nice folks here (guys and gals)--even if we do poke fun at each other once in a while, and get off topic (way off topic late night on chat!--Gee, I mentioned CHAT again-hint hint!) .

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39698	From: keefer1	Date: 3/26/2006
Subject: Re: 322 hudson

Not all DC locs were marked DC , I believe at least one 332 was not marked , but ran on DC. --- Jenni Sipla <jadenralph@...> wrote: > The 322 was only made in A/C. When ever gilbert did > make a d/c engine it was taged D/C on the cab. so > the number will show 322 DC. > Bret > > oldiron_tractor <whitford@...> wrote: > Sorry folks silly me. > I should have read my own post A bit more clearly > before hitting send. > Yes I do know that it will opperate on my AF track > but what i wanted > to know was about the power needed to test it out. > > Thank you & take care. > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for > ridiculously low rates. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39699	From: Ernest Mendecke	Date: 3/26/2006
Subject: AM Northern comments

Hello group, On Friday 3/24 Scott D. asked for comments on the new AM Northern. I ordered mine the day after they were announced last August ( AC High rail w/ sound). I've had mine for over three weeks now with many problem free hours. So here are some of my observations. First of all, when your engine first arrives do not let it run unattended for some time! Get a bit used to it before you walk away to the phone or some other distraction! After about 45 minutes of running mine, I noticed the engine lurching and badly bouncing on the only piece of AF track that I have - a 90 degree cross track. The pilot truck screw had come loose, was hanging down and was catching on the bakelite of the crossing and was starting to bang on diverging rails of the switches before I noticed. It has not come loose since. That said, here are some comments/observations. The engine body is almost the same length as the AF Northern but quite a bit heavier. The tender body is very long, and is a three piece casting - the chassis, tender top, and main body. My E unit - reverser works flawlessly. The tender body must come off the tender chassis to adjust the level of sound ( I found mine to be to loud and turned it down). After I had run this monster for about an hour the tender wheel axles were begging for oil - be sure to stay on top of this or they will let you know. If you thought that the old Flyer northern tender steps/ladders were delicate then you will want to be especially carefull with this engine. I am disapointed with the whistle. When the button is pressed the whistle sounds however you can not play with it as you can with other AM engines ( my E8's I can play the two longs - a short and long or any other combo that I wish). When the whistle button is pressed the sound is a long - pause short/long. Nice tone but I expected it to behave as my AM Pacific does. The bell is strong and rich. Engine detail is nice - not SHS or Lionel quality but quite presentable. The Box pox drivers are impressive looking. - The front axle traction tire is not needed with this heavy an engine and I plan down the road to replace it with a rear driver wheel set. The front and rear driver axles appear to be sprung although not equally. The front drivers hold the first set of blind drivers up in the air where the rear driver springs are weaker and the rear blind driver appears to touch the rail. I wish this engine had 4 chuffs per drive wheel revolution - it has two ( mechanical not electronic )- because I seldom high ball past 12 volts and it would have been nice. Up front there is a light bulb instead of an led that glows with a gentile yellow hue. The tender back up light is for looks only and does not work. The rods and valve action are painted black so it is a bit difficult to see the action. The main driving rod is actually a three piece unit - a nice detail! The smoke unit - very impressive! You will end up turning it off after a while because it will smoke you out. Even the instructions mention ventilation ( there is a convenient On/Off switch in the back of the cab ). Steady, heavy smoke lasts for 1/2 an hour before refilling ( 12 - 14 drops max of Anormal oil. RFG oil gives even more scent. Use less oil if you use a heavier grade such as Barts Super Smoke, etc.). I run my trains on SHS track with only two curves of 26 radius -the rest of the curves are more generous. I have had one derailment of the tender on a switch. I did not place the wheels on correctly, my fault- not the engine's. I find this engine to be a trouble free/derailment free heavy duty duel purpose high speed freight or passenger engine that can pull more freight or pasenger cars than I can place on my track. I am very pleased overall with this engine and am sure that you will find yours to be most enjoyable. I also enjoy and look forward to others thoughts/ comments. Ernie Mennecke Wheaton IL. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39700	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 3/26/2006
Subject: Re: 322 hudson

All 3 digit Gilbert steam engines run on AC or DC. We often ran our club layout on AC or DC. Smoke and lights worked fine on DC. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: "keefer1" <keefer1_us@...> To: "Jenni Sipla" <jadenralph@...>; <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2006 1:39 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 322 hudson > Not all DC locs were marked DC , I believe at least > one 332 was not marked , but ran on DC. > > --- Jenni Sipla <jadenralph@...> wrote: > > > The 322 was only made in A/C. When ever gilbert did > > make a d/c engine it was taged D/C on the cab. so > > the number will show 322 DC. > > Bret > > > > oldiron_tractor <whitford@...> wrote: > > Sorry folks silly me. > > I should have read my own post A bit more clearly > > before hitting send. > > Yes I do know that it will opperate on my AF track > > but what i wanted > > to know was about the power needed to test it out. > > > > Thank you & take care. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > > http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > > too! > > > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for > > ridiculously low rates. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > > http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > > too! > > > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39701	From: Sam and Judy Williamson	Date: 3/26/2006
Subject: Re: Source for bells?

Steve, Try River Raisin Models.com they have two types of loco bells fixed and moveable. I just bought some of each for a job and the quality is very good. Sam W. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve McGuire" <stevemcguire63@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 5:06 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Source for bells? > Guys, I'm looking for S-scale bells (not real bells-lol). I build > model fire apparatus in S-scale, but it's getting increasingly > expensive to have to buy a whole truck just for parts. Anybody have > any ideas? Thanks! > > Steve > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39702	From: clayton deich	Date: 3/26/2006
Subject: Re: 322 hudson

I have a 332 that is DC, but is not marked DC also. Clayton --- keefer1 <keefer1_us@...> wrote: > Not all DC locs were marked DC , I believe at least > one 332 was not marked , but ran on DC. > > --- Jenni Sipla <jadenralph@...> wrote: > > > The 322 was only made in A/C. When ever gilbert > did > > make a d/c engine it was taged D/C on the cab. so > > the number will show 322 DC. > > Bret > > > > oldiron_tractor <whitford@...> wrote: > > Sorry folks silly me. > > I should have read my own post A bit more clearly > > before hitting send. > > Yes I do know that it will opperate on my AF track > > but what i wanted > > to know was about the power needed to test it out. > > > > Thank you & take care. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > > http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > > too! > > > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for > > ridiculously low rates. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > > http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > > too! > > > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39703	From: Roy Inman	Date: 3/26/2006
Subject: Re: cool website

Thanks for passing this along Gene. Looks as if it will be very useful when traveling. In addition, I discovered that our new museum at Union Station Kansas City, the KC Rail Experience was not listed so I corrected that omission. Cheers :) Roy Inman www.uninstationphotos.com > From: "Knight, Gene" <knight@...> > Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 11:38:03 -0500 > To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] cool website > > I just received this link in my email and it is quite interesting. You can > search for almost anything and it will map all the locations in your area. It > has train shops, railroad attractions and train clubs plus a lot of other > stuff. > > http://www.mapmuse.com > > Gene > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39704	From: Steve Blancard	Date: 3/26/2006
Subject: Re: On30 conversions

Unfortunately, a while back my computer crashed and I lost the photos of the Bachmann ON30 passenger car conversions I did. However, I can tell you that they are quite a bit more work than the freight cars. I used the original trucks by cutting them apart and widening them using styrene and JB weld. If I recall correctly I used Amercian Models wheel sets. I also had to shorten the truss rods a little to clear the new larger wheels. The widening is not difficult but just time consuming. The cars roll beautifully and look great with my custom Franklins or an Atlantic. If anyone is interested I can take a couple photos of the completed trucks. Steve --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Evans" <bassflyer@...> wrote: > > ***(((I've been eyeing the 0n30 comments and I am intrigued by the conversions. > Are you talking Bachmann 0n30 for the most part? And is it as simple as > swapping out the 0n30 trucks for some SHS trucks?)))*** > > I myself, have only done three On30 conversions, so far, and they were all > Bachmann. Steve Blancard got me interested in doing so. Check his page > at: http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/on3/on3.html > > I think I did a few MINOR things differently, (on the caboose), but with the same results. > I have NOT tackled the On30 coach yet, it's a little trickier to add the trucks. Steve has > done so however, and I should bug him to update his conversion page. > (Hey Steve! Update your conversion page!!) :^) > > You can also use Flyer trucks, but the SHS trucks look much nicer IMHO. > > I'm gonna try to post some new photos comparing the On30 cars with SHS and Flyer. > > Rick. > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39705	From: dwightlehnhoff	Date: 3/26/2006
Subject: DC engines

332 Northern was a DC engine without being labeled as 332DC Dwight

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39706	From: uvl97222	Date: 3/26/2006
Subject: Re: AF 759 Danger Bell

Hi all of you, and I hope you are doing better then me. I have been at home sick for a few days so I went out to my shop, and turned out a bell on my metal cutting lathe. I have put up a photo of it next to one of my danger bells crossing. Can some one tell me what is the hole size for the rivet? Clayton S. D. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, George Cohn <gwcohn@...> wrote: > > I'm starting to clean up and play with my AF trains from the '50's and I > noticed that both of my 759 Danger Signals have cracked brass bells. > > I've checked most of the vendors catalogs and can't seem to find a > replacement part. > > Anyone make this part or a good substitute? > > G Cohn >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39707	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 3/26/2006
Subject: Re: On30 conversions

On Sun, 26 Mar 2006 20:44:03 -0000, Steve Blancard wrote: >If anyone is interested I can take a couple photos of the completed >trucks. You have my interest. Do you have an album in Paul's site, or if not would you like one set up? I am guessing you use AF couplers... but can't guess how since you kept / altered the provided trucks. Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39708	From: Dennis Back	Date: 3/26/2006
Subject: Re: 322 hudson (dc 332)

--- Glenn Ritter wrote: > All 3 digit Gilbert steam engines > run on AC or DC. We often ran > our club layout on AC or DC. So then is it ok to my my 332 (which is DC) on AC? What will happen? Dennis __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39709	From: Phil K	Date: 3/26/2006
Subject: Lighted drumheads in S

Tomar Industries is offering a humongous selection of name train lighted drumheads in S, most for under $13. "The kits are complete with cast and machined housings to fit the appropriate sign. 1.5 volt lamp for lighting tailsign, ballast lamp, full color train sign, light diffuser, four diodes, hook-up wire and complete instructions and illustrations." http://www.tomarindustries.com/drumheads.htm#ITR Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39710	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 3/26/2006
Subject: Sunday Chat, 3/26/2006, 8:00 pm

Reminder from the Calendar of S-Trains Sunday Chat Sunday March 26, 2006 8:00 pm - 11:00 pm This event repeats every week. Event Location: http://s-scale.org/forum/ Street: http://s-scale.org/forum/ Notes: http://s-scale.org/forum/ ADVERTISEMENT Copyright ©  2006  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved. Privacy Policy - Terms of Service

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39711	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 3/26/2006
Subject: Re;cool site

Yep, that's a cool site. I just checked it out. However, when I wanted to return here, it wouldn't let me leave! I had to get off line and come back into Yahoo to return to S Trains. Gee, I wish these sites wouldn't do that crap! The two sites in Martins Ferry are G&M Train & Hobby and Deluxe Toy & Hobby, a big toy store. The shops on Rt.40 are T&K Hobby which has moved to a back street in Bridgeport, Ohio and another shop that folded. Across the river in West Virginia is Patrick's Trains. Not shown is another hobby shop (Fulton's) just a few blocks away from Patrick's but they no longer deal in trains and have gone all R/C cars and planes. Of the above, only G&M has a permanent S gauge presence, although Patrick's will occassionally have used Flyer and carries some new Flyonel. Stumpy Stone...that's the shop report for my area...Martins Ferry, OH.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39712	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 3/26/2006
Subject: Re;Flyonel Docksider

Bob, there is a two second delay in reversing the Docksider. I believe the instructions touch on this being the normal for the electronics in this engine. I had one of the first run Docksiders and it did this. Stumpy Stone...Martins Ferry, OH.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39713	From: Rick Evans	Date: 3/26/2006
Subject: Re;On30 conversions

***(((I just cut off the coupler box with my Dremel and used the Bachmann screw to attach the SHS trucks and couplers.)))**** Stump, You didn't have to use spacer-washers? Seems I had to add a couple per truck/coupler to get them to tighten down. Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39714	From: mvandiver2@aol.com	Date: 3/26/2006
Subject: Sunday evening chat

For the first time in ages I tried to attend the Sunday night chat session. I filled out the registration for the S-Trains chat room, giving my username and my password. When I went to log on, I used what I thought was the same username and password. I keep getting the message that I am using the incorrect password. The web site for registration gives no instructions on how to get the "correct" password. How do I find out what my "correct" password is? I tried sending an email to the web site editor but I get a message that I cannot send a message to that address. Thanks for your help. Mike Vandiver [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39715	From: mvandiver2@aol.com	Date: 3/26/2006
Subject: Sunday evening Chat

I was finally able to get my username and password accepted. Then, nothing would happen until I clicked on the "13 users" phrase. When I did that, I got a big blue box with "13 users" in the upper left hand corner. I could click the + and it would list all thirteen users, including me "MikeVan" but I did not get any kind of dialogue box or see any of the listings of comments by any of the users. If someone would like to IM or email me, I would appreciate you telling me what I must do. My email is _mvandiver2@..._ (mailto:mvandiver2@...) . Thanks. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39716	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 3/26/2006
Subject: Re: 322 hudson (dc 332)

AC will run on either one......... but DC will only run on DC....... bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis Back" <backden@...> To: <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2006 6:38 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 322 hudson (dc 332) > > > --- Glenn Ritter wrote: >> All 3 digit Gilbert steam engines >> run on AC or DC. We often ran >> our club layout on AC or DC. > > So then is it ok to my my 332 (which is DC) on AC? > What will happen? > > Dennis > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39717	From: Steve Blancard	Date: 3/26/2006
Subject: Re: On30 conversions

I converted 2 coaches and 1 combine. On the combine I added a long shank AM coupler that pivots under the floor for connection to the loco. I left the remaining couplers as they came from Bachmann. They work fine as long as the track work is smooth (my home layout), but on our modular club layout which is a bit rougher, I get an occasionaly breakaway. In the future I will probably replace all the stock couplers with AM couplers. I used to have a pretty extensive album on Paul's site, but all was lost in the crash. I haven't had time to take more photos and build a new album yet. I do have a webshots page that I can put photos on. Its the same place I put photos of my new rail truck. I'll get a couple photos of the converted trucks in the next day or two. Steve --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Lueck" <pianoman@...> wrote: > > On Sun, 26 Mar 2006 20:44:03 -0000, Steve Blancard wrote: > > >If anyone is interested I can take a couple photos of the completed > >trucks. > > You have my interest. Do you have an album in Paul's site, or if not would you > like one set up? > > I am guessing you use AF couplers... but can't guess how since you kept / > altered the provided trucks. > > Michael >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39718	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 3/26/2006
Subject: Re: AM Northern comments

----- Original Message ----- From: "Ernest Mendecke" <emennecke@...> . . . . . . .The front drivers hold the first set of blind drivers up in the air where the rear driver springs are weaker and the rear blind driver appears to touch the rail. . . . . . . . . > > > > > > > > I heard from another source that the front of the engine sits higher than the rear, which sounds like a different description of the same phenomenon. Has anyone found this to be a serious problem? Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39719	From: Steve Blancard	Date: 3/26/2006
Subject: Re: Re;On30 conversions

FWIW, I usually use either 2 or 3, #6 flat washers for spacers. Steve --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Evans" <bassflyer@...> wrote: > > ***(((I just cut off the coupler box > with my Dremel and used the Bachmann screw to attach the SHS trucks > and couplers.)))**** > > > Stump, > You didn't have to use spacer-washers? Seems I had to add a couple > per truck/coupler to get them to tighten down. > > Rick. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39720	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 3/26/2006
Subject: Re: Sunday evening Chat

On Sun, 26 Mar 2006 20:35:04 EST, mvandiver2@... wrote: > Then, nothing >would happen I see you are using AOL. Did you try a real web browser like Mozilla FireFox. Per visiting the chat site some time back, there was a note that AOL by itself ain't good enough... has to be the real thing. Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39721	From: Brigadier Scottish Shop Beechworth	Date: 3/26/2006
Subject: Beechworth Victoria Australia

On the 6th and 7th of May I am organising a Train Show at The Beechworth Memorial Hall. There will be HO, O and S Gauge trains. If by some miracle anyone happens to be near there then please come along. There will also be model aeroplanes and helicopters. Website: http://www.beechworth.net/memorialhall/hobbies.html Thanks, John Harvey

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39722	From: Jenni Sipla	Date: 3/26/2006
Subject: Re: 322 hudson (dc 332)

if the engine is D/C it will not run on A/C. If it is an A/C engine it will run on both Bret Dennis Back <backden@...> wrote: --- Glenn Ritter wrote: > All 3 digit Gilbert steam engines > run on AC or DC. We often ran > our club layout on AC or DC. So then is it ok to my my 332 (which is DC) on AC? What will happen? Dennis __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC and save big. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39723	From: Jenni Sipla	Date: 3/26/2006
Subject: Re: 322 hudson

thank you steve I do appalogize for the miss information on the D/C harolds on the cab not all Guilbert engines came with the DC notation but as Steve did note 322 was only made as an AC engine Bret Jenni Sipla <jadenralph@...> wrote: The 322 was only made in A/C. When ever gilbert did make a d/c engine it was taged D/C on the cab. so the number will show 322 DC. Bret oldiron_tractor wrote: Sorry folks silly me. I should have read my own post A bit more clearly before hitting send. Yes I do know that it will opperate on my AF track but what i wanted to know was about the power needed to test it out. Thank you & take care. S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously low rates. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39724	From: winchester54947	Date: 3/26/2006
Subject: 3 turnout turnaround

Any of the AF professors ever built a 'wye' turnaround off the main line? The sectional track assembly seems straight forward, 3 turnouts frog to frog, but getting it to work is confounding. Both rails between each frog must be insulated, and 2 DPDT switches might control main and branch power? All 3 turnouts can be operated tandem with one controller, Can the DPDT be eliminated with relay logic? HHMMMM

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39725	From: Ed Eckert	Date: 3/26/2006
Subject: 7th Annual Flyer Fest West Update

The Golden Gate American Flyer Club presents the 7th annual Flyer Fest West, Friday thru Sunday, May 19th to the 21st, 2006 at the Marriott Hotel (510-413-3700) in Fremont, California. This is the largest S gauge event west of The Rockies. Activities will include: • Friday Night: No Host Bar Get Together starting at 8pm • Saturday: Doors open at 8am for unloading • Saturday: Meet doors open at 10 am • Clinics starting at 11am • Door prizes • Raffle prizes • Train Races • Saturday night banquet • Saturday: the Newpark Mall is just 2 miles away for the ladies to shop if they like and 5 miles South is The Great Mall. • Sunday: Layout Tours, Niles Canyon Railway ( available at additional cost), Ardenwood Farms where the only Carter Brothers Horse Drawn Railway left in existence ( additional cost) That weekend at Ardenwood will also have the Mechanical Music Box members with there Boxes on display in the old mansion per David Dewey. Also Niles Canyon Antique Shops, Wineries in the East Foothills to Livermore. For those that want to go to the redwoods and ride a train, there is Roaring Camp Railroad near Santa Cruz (additional cost). Tables will be $15.00 for a 6' X 30" and $10.00 for a half table. Room rates are $74.00 at the Marriott Hotel (510-413-3700), (you must request the Flyer Fest West rate) Quad occupancy. We have a meet car that has the old Shasta logo and is an orange boxcar. This will be available at the meet for $50.00 ($5.00 registration require). The mockup can be seen at: http://s-scale.org/albums/v/friends/ironhorse/?g2_navId=xfe9b8472 We have now sold over 50 tables and have flowed into our overflow area. Some of the dealers known at this time are: NorCal Trains, Howard's Trains, Tin Plate Junction, SnS Trains, Rick Carlson, Randy Anderson, John Granucci, and Bob Doe. For more information contact Don Matthies, meet chairman at NORCALTT@... or me, Ed Eckert, 408-263-2482, ejenterp@.... Anybody that needs an application and flyer emailed, just email me with your email address.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39726	From: Velapoldi	Date: 3/27/2006
Subject: Re: On30 conversions

Hi Steve: Would like to see photos. If you are taking digital photos, would you sneak one also of the car itself to show what they look like? I like old time freight cars such as the 3 pack from the old Kinsman kits (in addition to heavyweights). Are there any rtr trucks available (e.g., from River Raisin, Heimburger, or other supplier) that you know would be suitable for the type On3 passenger car you mention? Thanks in advance Rance Velapoldi (Norway) Steve Blancard wrote: >Unfortunately, a while back my computer crashed and I lost the photos >of the Bachmann ON30 passenger car conversions I did. However, I can >tell you that they are quite a bit more work than the freight cars. I >used the original trucks by cutting them apart and widening them using >styrene and JB weld. If I recall correctly I used Amercian Models >wheel sets. I also had to shorten the truss rods a little to clear >the new larger wheels. The widening is not difficult but just time >consuming. The cars roll beautifully and look great with my custom >Franklins or an Atlantic. > >If anyone is interested I can take a couple photos of the completed >trucks. > >Steve > > >--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Evans" <bassflyer@...> wrote: > > >>***(((I've been eyeing the 0n30 comments and I am intrigued by the >> >> >conversions. > > >>Are you talking Bachmann 0n30 for the most part? And is it as simple as >>swapping out the 0n30 trucks for some SHS trucks?)))*** >> >>I myself, have only done three On30 conversions, so far, and they >> >> >were all > > >>Bachmann. Steve Blancard got me interested in doing so. Check his page >>at: http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/on3/on3.html >> >>I think I did a few MINOR things differently, (on the caboose), but >> >> >with the same results. > > >>I have NOT tackled the On30 coach yet, it's a little trickier to add >> >> >the trucks. Steve has > > >>done so however, and I should bug him to update his conversion page. >>(Hey Steve! Update your conversion page!!) :^) >> >>You can also use Flyer trucks, but the SHS trucks look much nicer IMHO. >> >>I'm gonna try to post some new photos comparing the On30 cars with >> >> >SHS and Flyer. > > >>Rick. >> >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39727	From: tomminil@aol.com	Date: 3/27/2006
Subject: Re: AF 290 Issue

As I understand it, when you attach the tender top the engine stops working? The wires inside the tender may move when the top is replaced, wiggle the wires and see if you can recreate the failure. Then I think the e-unit fingers are moving off the drum, tighten the tabs that hold the finger boards on. Tom [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39728	From: nsupbnsf@juno.com	Date: 3/27/2006
Subject: Docksider Hesitation

The instructions that come with the Lionel Flyer Docksider tell you to expect the hesitation. Alan Udy, RMHRS Idaho Falls [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39729	From: Robert Graves	Date: 3/27/2006
Subject: Re: 3 turnout turnaround

For those of us who don't know the terminology, what is a wye turnaround? Can you point me/us at a picture? winchester54947 <winchester54947@...> wrote: Any of the AF professors ever built a 'wye' turnaround off the main line? The sectional track assembly seems straight forward, 3 turnouts frog to frog, but getting it to work is confounding. Both rails between each frog must be insulated, and 2 DPDT switches might control main and branch power? All 3 turnouts can be operated tandem with one controller, Can the DPDT be eliminated with relay logic? HHMMMM S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC and save big. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39730	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 3/27/2006
Subject: Re: Rectifiers

Dear David: I do not have an AF tender to look in right now so I am doing this from memory. The quickest way to do this is to trace the wire from the rear truck to wherever it goes. Unsolder it at the far end. (This is AC wire #1.) Solder a new wire, about four inches long, where you just unsoldered the first wire. (This is DC wire #1.) Then unsolder the two wires from front truck. (These become DC wire #2.) Solder a new wire, about four inches long, to the front truck. (This is AC wire #2.) Take AC wire #1 and #2 and solder them to the 'AC' terminals on your bridge rectifier. (It does not mater which one goes where.) Take DC wire #1 and solder it to the '+' terminal on your bridge rectifier. Take DC wire #2 and solder it to the '-' terminal on your bridge rectifier. (If you get these backwards, don't worry about it. It doesn't make any difference.) The locomotive should now cycle just like before only with the DC can motor. What you have done is to make the entire locomotive DC: only the tracks are AC. _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ I always create a split AC/DC locomotive. 1. I totally rewire the locomotive. 2. The DC Can motor has only two wires. I put these to the middle pair on the four-prong socket. 3. The outer pair of the four prong socket are for the headlight and smoke unit. 4. The headlight and smoke unit are run off of AC. (The bridge rectifier steals 1.4 volts of power to do its job. The smoke unit, on DC, runs 1.4 volts cooler.) 5. If you are still using the reverse unit, run the reverse unit's coil off of AC to prevent it from magnetizing. Make sure the power to the drum is DC as that is fed to the motor. If this latter stuff doesn't mean anything, then ignore it. You don't need to do these things. Thorin -----Original Message----- From: David [mailto:tobeetwo@...] Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2006 2:55 PM To: Marty.Thorin Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Rectifiers Hi Marty, I just put the dc can in. I'd like to keep the e-unit and use my ac track power. Can you fill me in again on where the rectifier goes(in the tender)and what wires go where. I'm confused on how to wire the reverse with the bridge. Thanks in advance, David Girson --- "Marty.Thorin" <thorin.marty@...> wrote: > Good evening. Yes, I am a month behind. > > Phil, you have one error. The rectifier for the Flyer E-Unit must be > placed between the wheels and the reverse unit. If you put it between > the reverse unit and the motor, the rectifier will eliminate anything > done by the reverse unit and the motor will rotate in only one > direction! > > Have a great evening! > Thorin > Milwaukee, WI > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 18 > Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 02:29:51 -0000 > From: "Phil K" <waldootten@...> > Subject: Re: S N S Can Motor Instructions > > > Can someone please email me installation > instructions for the DC can > > motors from S N S. I know they are drop in but > I'm not sure of the > > wiring part. > > Thanks, > > David > > The wiring is pretty simple. If you are running an AC transformer, you > need to install a rectifier or Dallee reverse unit between the track > power and the can motor, usually in the tender. > > If you use a rectifier tied in with the Flyer E-unit, connect the two > wires on the can motor to the two DC outputs on the rectifier. > > If using a Dallee electronic reverse unit, connect the two wires on > the can motor to the appropriate wires on the Dallee unit (which has a > built-in rectifier circuit). If your train's first movement is in > reverse, switch the wires. > > If you are running a DC operation, connect the two wires on the can > motor to the two leads off the track (thru the tender pickups). > > That's about it in a nutshell, if I remember correctly. > > Phil K > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39731	From: splitdorf@1bigred.com	Date: 3/27/2006
Subject: Re: On30 conversions

I don't know of any suitable, rtr old time trucks to use on the passenger cars. But I didn't spend a lot of time looking at the smaller sources. Although it might be possible to use trucks off original AF Franklin coaches (or repros). But they don't roll nearly as well as the widened trucks. If my passenger cars sit on track that has the slightest incline, they will roll down hill. I'll take some photos of the trucks and the cars themselves. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: Velapoldi [mailto:velapoldi@...] Sent: 3/27/2006 2:12:04 AM To: splitdorf@... Cc: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: On30 conversions Hi Steve: Would like to see photos. If you are taking digital photos, would you sneak one also of the car itself to show what they look like? I like old time freight cars such as the 3 pack from the old Kinsman kits (in addition to heavyweights). Are there any rtr trucks available (e.g., from River Raisin, Heimburger, or other supplier) that you know would be suitable for the type On3 passenger car you mention? Thanks in advance Rance Velapoldi (Norway) Steve Blancard wrote: Unfortunately, a while back my computer crashed and I lost the photos of the Bachmann ON30 passenger car conversions I did. However, I can tell you that they are quite a bit more work than the freight cars. I used the original trucks by cutting them apart and widening them using styrene and JB weld. If I recall correctly I used Amercian Models wheel sets. I also had to shorten the truss rods a little to clear the new larger wheels. The widening is not difficult but just time consuming. The cars roll beautifully and look great with my custom Franklins or an Atlantic. If anyone is interested I can take a couple photos of the completed trucks. Steve --- In [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]S-Trains@yahoogroups.com , "Rick Evans" [mailto:bassflyer@...]wrote: ***(((I've been eyeing the 0n30 comments and I am intrigued by the conversions. Are you talking Bachmann 0n30 for the most part? And is it as simple as swapping out the 0n30 trucks for some SHS trucks?)))*** I myself, have only done three On30 conversions, so far, and they were all Bachmann. Steve Blancard got me interested in doing so. Check his page at: [http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/on3/on3.html%5dhttp://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/on3/on3.html I think I did a few MINOR things differently, (on the caboose), but with the same results. I have NOT tackled the On30 coach yet, it's a little trickier to add the trucks. Steve has done so however, and I should bug him to update his conversion page. (Hey Steve! Update your conversion page!!) :^) You can also use Flyer trucks, but the SHS trucks look much nicer IMHO. I'm gonna try to post some new photos comparing the On30 cars with SHS and Flyer. Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39732	From: Roy Inman	Date: 3/27/2006
Subject: Re: 3 turnout turnaround

Hi Robert, and all; I have uploaded an aerial photo of a "wye" to "Roy's Train Photos" in the S-Trains files section. It is a classic shot from 1932 (wish I had taken it, but wasn't around back then) that shows the old roundhouse and Union Station Kansas City in the background. Cheers :) Roy Inman > From: Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> > Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 07:39:29 -0800 (PST) > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 3 turnout turnaround > > For those of us who don't know the terminology, what is a wye turnaround? Can > you point me/us at a picture? > > > winchester54947 <winchester54947@...> wrote: > Any of the AF professors ever built a 'wye' turnaround off the main > line? > The sectional track assembly seems straight forward, 3 turnouts frog to > frog, but getting it to work is confounding. Both rails between each > frog must be insulated, and 2 DPDT switches might control main and > branch power? All 3 turnouts can be operated tandem with one > controller, Can the DPDT be eliminated with relay logic? HHMMMM > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC and save > big. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39733	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 3/27/2006
Subject: Re: Rectifiers

Dear David: Use the Lionel unit. It is intended for a DC motor so only has six wires: two input wires from the track, two output wires to the motor, and a pair of wires for the 'lockout switch' which is a slide switch. (Slide the switch one way the unit cycles. The other way and it only goes forward.) I run DC which allows me to omit the reversing unit. I try to leave the old reverse unit in the tender. It adds weight and, if someone were crazy enough, the locomotive can be dis-improved back to the old mechanical reverser. There might be additional wires and they are for controlling headlights, bells, horns, smoke units, etc. Good luck! Thorin -----Original Message----- From: David [mailto:tobeetwo@...] Sent: Monday, March 27, 2006 1:40 PM To: Marty.Thorin Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Rectifiers Hi Marty, Thanks for your help. I'm going to try to follow your directions. Also, I found a Lionel reverse unit that will replace the e-unit and it has a rectifier built into the board. David --- "Marty.Thorin" <Thorin.Marty@...> wrote: > Dear David: > I do not have an AF tender to look in right now so I am doing this > from memory. The quickest way to do this is to trace the wire from > the rear truck to wherever it goes. Unsolder it at the far end. > (This is AC wire #1.) Solder a new wire, about four inches long, > where you just unsoldered the first wire. (This is DC wire > #1.) > Then unsolder the two wires from front truck. > (These become DC > wire #2.) Solder a new wire, about four inches long, to the front > truck. (This is AC wire #2.) > > Take AC wire #1 and #2 and solder them to the 'AC' > terminals on your > bridge rectifier. (It does not mater which one goes > where.) > > Take DC wire #1 and solder it to the '+' terminal on your bridge > rectifier. Take DC wire #2 and solder it to the '-' > terminal on your > bridge rectifier. (If you get these backwards, don't worry about it. > It doesn't make any difference.) > > The locomotive should now cycle just like before only with the DC can > motor. > > What you have done is to make the entire locomotive > DC: only the tracks > are AC. > _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ > > I always create a split AC/DC locomotive. > 1. I totally rewire the locomotive. > 2. The DC Can motor has only two wires. I put these > to the middle > pair on the four-prong socket. > 3. The outer pair of the four prong socket are for > the headlight > and smoke unit. > 4. The headlight and smoke unit are run off of AC. > (The bridge > rectifier steals 1.4 volts of power to do its job. > The smoke unit, on > DC, runs 1.4 volts cooler.) > 5. If you are still using the reverse unit, run the > reverse unit's > coil off of AC to prevent it from magnetizing. Make sure the power to > the drum is DC as that is fed to the motor. > > If this latter stuff doesn't mean anything, then ignore it. You don't > need to do these things. > Thorin > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: David [mailto:tobeetwo@...] > Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2006 2:55 PM > To: Marty.Thorin > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Rectifiers > > Hi Marty, > I just put the dc can in. I'd like to keep the e-unit and use my ac > track power. Can you fill me in again on where the rectifier goes(in > the tender)and what wires go where. I'm confused on how to wire the > reverse with the bridge. > Thanks in advance, > David Girson > > --- "Marty.Thorin" <thorin.marty@...> > wrote: > > > Good evening. Yes, I am a month behind. > > > > Phil, you have one error. The rectifier for the > Flyer E-Unit must be > > placed between the wheels and the reverse unit. > If you put it between > > > the reverse unit and the motor, the rectifier will > eliminate anything > > done by the reverse unit and the motor will rotate > in only one > > direction! > > > > Have a great evening! > > Thorin > > Milwaukee, WI > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > > > > Message: 18 > > Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 02:29:51 -0000 > > From: "Phil K" <waldootten@...> > > Subject: Re: S N S Can Motor Instructions > > > > > Can someone please email me installation > > instructions for the DC can > > > motors from S N S. I know they are drop in but > > I'm not sure of the > > > wiring part. > > > Thanks, > > > David > > > > The wiring is pretty simple. If you are running an > AC transformer, you > > > need to install a rectifier or Dallee reverse unit > between the track > > power and the can motor, usually in the tender. > > > > If you use a rectifier tied in with the Flyer > E-unit, connect the two > > wires on the can motor to the two DC outputs on > the rectifier. > > > > If using a Dallee electronic reverse unit, connect > the two wires on > > the can motor to the appropriate wires on the > Dallee unit (which has a > > > built-in rectifier circuit). If your train's first > movement is in > > reverse, switch the wires. > > > > If you are running a DC operation, connect the two > wires on the can > > motor to the two leads off the track (thru the > tender pickups). > > > > That's about it in a nutshell, if I remember > correctly. > > > > Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39734	From: ken garber	Date: 3/27/2006
Subject: Re: building a Wye

On 27 Mar 2006 20:49:48 -0000, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com < S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > There are 8 messages in this issue. > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 07:28:37 -0000 > From: "winchester54947" <winchester54947@...> > Subject: 3 turnout turnaround > > Any of the AF professors ever built a 'wye' turnaround off the main > line? > The sectional track assembly seems straight forward, 3 turnouts frog to > frog, but getting it to work is confounding. Both rails between each > frog must be insulated, and 2 DPDT switches might control main and > branch power? All 3 turnouts can be operated tandem with one > controller, Can the DPDT be eliminated with relay logic? HHMMMM I would assume the wiring would be the same as for DC being two-rail. One DPDT toggle (with centre-off optional) and a pair of insulated joiners in each wye leg. The toggle would control the top of the wye. A relay can do it but you need a trigger. One fellow I know used a photocell setup to catch the loco coming through. He later went with a DCC system. There are probably a handful of circuits out there but I don't know if they'll work with AC. Ken [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39735	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 3/27/2006
Subject: Re: Amercian Models Amtrak set

For what it is worth, an A-M AMTRAK set has been running on the National Toy Train Museum (NTTM) S layout for probably five years. Mostly trouble free, need to remember to lubricate the pick-up wires on the trucks if you are going to run seven hours a day, seven days a week. The "Phase" refers to decoration. AMTRAK has searched for an identity for years, looks like "orphan" will be next, since the elite in Washington have no need or desire to ride trains. Jim "Livin' on the Keystone (AMTRAK) Main" Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39736	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 3/27/2006
Subject: Re: Amercian Models Amtrak set

Tom is correct about the motive power in the A-M AMTRAK set. AMTRAK has replaced most of their EMD F40PH's with GE "Mud Rockets". Actually the GE "Genesis" number is something like P42H or something similar. The "Mud Rocket" terminology was coined by an EMD fan after the engines went into Mobile Bay up to their windshields. He claimed it enhanced their appearance. Some of the first "Rockets" were seen in work train service when the "Keystone Main" got new track, ties, ballast, etc. Having been in the cab, at the console, I can tell you that the engineer, when sitting at the "desk" and operating the locomotive, cannot see at least the first fifty feet in front of him. The "desk" slopes upward toward the windsheild, severely limiting visibility. When doing 80 to 125 MPH on the "Corridor", not terribly important, but a real problem in the yard. Jim "Livin' on the Keystone Main" Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39737	From: Roy Inman	Date: 3/27/2006
Subject: Re: Amercian Models Amtrak set

That explains why the AMTRAK engine ran into a dump truck crossing the tracks in back of Union Station Kansas City back during the building's restoration in 1999: the engineer probably couldn't see the truck in time to stop. Don't know why the truck chose to cross right in front of a moving train... Both the truck and the train were moving slowly. Somewhere around here I have a photo showing the damaged engine. If I can find it, I will post it to the files. Pretty big dent in the engine. No injuries. Roy Inman > From: WJJIM@... > Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 17:16:11 -0500 (EST) > To: t.hawley@..., s-trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Amercian Models Amtrak set > > Having been in the cab, at the console, I can tell you that the engineer, > when sitting at the "desk" and operating the locomotive, cannot see at least > the first fifty feet in front of him. The "desk" slopes upward toward the > windsheild, severely limiting visibility. When doing 80 to 125 MPH on the > "Corridor", not terribly important, but a real problem in the yard. > > Jim "Livin' on the Keystone Main" Lyle

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39738	From: Phil K	Date: 3/27/2006
Subject: Amtrak and trucks

If a vehicle got smacked at a grade crossing by this, would it be train v. truck, or truck v. truck? http://tinyurl.com/pgcye I caught this commercialized Amtrak loco at the west end of the BNSF Eola Yard (32 miles west of Chicago) one late fall afternoon in 2004. I think it was the California Zephyr heading toward Union Station. Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39739	From: John Frankforther	Date: 3/27/2006
Subject: Layouts or shows

I will be going down to Cincinnati this weekend - Thur - Sunday - Any good S train shops or layouts to visit, besides the one at union station? John

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39740	From: Doug Peck	Date: 3/27/2006
Subject: Re: AF 290 Issue

My first hunch is that when you replace the tender shell, you are causing a wire (probably from the rear truck) to interfere with the brass pawl that sticks out through the side of the reverse unit, so it can't move freely. Move this wire out of the way..... Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST), 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: www.portlines.com <http://www.portlines.com/> E-mail: doug@... <mailto:doug@...> VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. <<<<< From: tomminil@... Subject: Re: AF 290 Issue As I understand it, when you attach the tender top the engine stops working? The wires inside the tender may move when the top is replaced, wiggle the wires and see if you can recreate the failure. Then I think the e-unit fingers are moving off the drum, tighten the tabs that hold the finger boards on.>>>>

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39741	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 3/27/2006
Subject: Re: Amercian Models Amtrak set

----- Original Message ----- From: <WJJIM@...> . . . .an A-M AMTRAK set has been running on the . . . . NTTM S layout for probably five years. . . . . remember to lubricate the pick-up wires on the trucks if you are going to run seven hours a day, seven days a week. > > > > > > > > And if you wonder why, I can attest from experience that the phosphor-bronze wire will evenutally cut right thru the axle if it stays in one spot without lubrication. Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39742	From: Steve Blancard	Date: 3/27/2006
Subject: ON30 passenger car conversion - photos up

Thanks to Rick Evans I now have an album on Paul Yorke's website. I have posted some photos of my Bachmann ON30 passenger cars converted to S, including close ups of the trucks and a MS word file with a description of how I did it. Here is a link: http://s-scale.org/albums/v/friends/splitdorf/?g2_navId=xdc0c7aa7 Steve

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39743	From: Mark Seibel	Date: 3/27/2006
Subject: Thomas the Tank

Non S related question... My one and only grandchild is turning two years old at the end of next month. I would like to get him an age appropriate Thomas the Tank train set. Does anyone have any suggestions? Please respond off line. Thanks. Mark [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39744	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 3/27/2006
Subject: Re: Northern 4-8-4 FEF Steam Engines

Can someone supply the date of operation of these fine engines, What major railroads used them and what was their primary consist made up of? Jerry Matsick

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39745	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 3/28/2006
Subject: Re: AM Northern comments... thanx 4 the Info...

Thanks for the info... Mine should be arriving soon... Scott Dee -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ernest Mendecke Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2006 12:48 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re:AM Northern comments Hello group, On Friday 3/24 Scott D. asked for comments on the new AM Northern. I ordered mine the day after they were announced last August ( AC High rail w/ sound). I've had mine for over three weeks now with many problem free hours. So here are some of my observations. First of all, when your engine first arrives do not let it run unattended for some time! Get a bit used to it before you walk away to the phone or some other distraction! After about 45 minutes of running mine, I noticed the engine lurching and badly bouncing on the only piece of AF track that I have - a 90 degree cross track. The pilot truck screw had come loose, was hanging down and was catching on the bakelite of the crossing and was starting to bang on diverging rails of the switches before I noticed. It has not come loose since. That said, here are some comments/observations. The engine body is almost the same length as the AF Northern but quite a bit heavier. The tender body is very long, and is a three piece casting - the chassis, tender top, and main body. My E unit - reverser works flawlessly. The tender body must come off the tender chassis to adjust the level of sound ( I found mine to be to loud and turned it down). After I had run this monster for about an hour the tender wheel axles were begging for oil - be sure to stay on top of this or they will let you know. If you thought that the old Flyer northern tender steps/ladders were delicate then you will want to be especially carefull with this engine. I am disapointed with the whistle. When the button is pressed the whistle sounds however you can not play with it as you can with other AM engines ( my E8's I can play the two longs - a short and long or any other combo that I wish). When the whistle button is pressed the sound is a long - pause short/long. Nice tone but I expected it to behave as my AM Pacific does. The bell is strong and rich. Engine detail is nice - not SHS or Lionel quality but quite presentable. The Box pox drivers are impressive looking. - The front axle traction tire is not needed with this heavy an engine and I plan down the road to replace it with a rear driver wheel set. The front and rear driver axles appear to be sprung although not equally. The front drivers hold the first set of blind drivers up in the air where the rear driver springs are weaker and the rear blind driver appears to touch the rail. I wish this engine had 4 chuffs per drive wheel revolution - it has two ( mechanical not electronic )- because I seldom high ball past 12 volts and it would have been nice. Up front there is a light bulb instead of an led that glows with a gentile yellow hue. The tender back up light is for looks only and does not work. The rods and valve action are painted black so it is a bit difficult to see the action. The main driving rod is actually a three piece unit - a nice detail! The smoke unit - very impressive! You will end up turning it off after a while because it will smoke you out. Even the instructions mention ventilation ( there is a convenient On/Off switch in the back of the cab ). Steady, heavy smoke lasts for 1/2 an hour before refilling ( 12 - 14 drops max of Anormal oil. RFG oil gives even more scent. Use less oil if you use a heavier grade such as Barts Super Smoke, etc.). I run my trains on SHS track with only two curves of 26 radius -the rest of the curves are more generous. I have had one derailment of the tender on a switch. I did not place the wheels on correctly, my fault- not the engine's. I find this engine to be a trouble free/derailment free heavy duty duel purpose high speed freight or passenger engine that can pull more freight or pasenger cars than I can place on my track. I am very pleased overall with this engine and am sure that you will find yours to be most enjoyable. I also enjoy and look forward to others thoughts/ comments. Ernie Mennecke Wheaton IL. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39746	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 3/28/2006
Subject: Quick Real Life Questions Regarding Tundra on Amtrack Engine...

Please don't hate me .... :>) I know I could dig this out over the Inet but thought someone may quickly know... But... What comapny makes the Amtrack railroad equipment... is it GM? I guess if it is that would be especially funny... I have read that 18 wheeler trucks may carry advertising... I guess trains beat them to it... Scott Dee

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39747	From: winchester54947	Date: 3/28/2006
Subject: What comapny makes the Amtrack railroad equipment... is it GM?

I thought the screw up on the disc brakes was Bombardier of Canada?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39748	From: Gerald Dobbs	Date: 3/28/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 3006

Steve wrote: Message: 8 Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 07:23:01 -0600 From: "" <splitdorf@...> Subject: Re: Re: Re: On30 conversions I don't know of any suitable, rtr old time trucks to use on the passenger cars. But I didn't spend a lot of time looking at the smaller sources. Although it might be possible to use trucks off original AF Franklin coaches (or repros). But they don't roll nearly as well as the widened trucks. If my passenger cars sit on track that has the slightest incline, they will roll down hill. I'll take some photos of the trucks and the cars themselves. Steve Answer: I split the original On30 truck and widen it to "S" using K-line wheels, Wheels taken off L-line "S" box cars, these wheels add weight + will pick up track power by using electrical conductive paint on the proper wheels. On my C & S cars they had a provision to add two more lamps. The new wheels also reduce the friction of the original wheels. Jerry 77-11644

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39749	From: winchester54947	Date: 3/28/2006
Subject: 3 turnout turnaround

> Robert Graves wrote: > For those of us who don't know the terminology, what is a wye turnaround? A 'wye' is used to reverse direction on the mainline or in a yard. It's simpler and doesn't require maintenance as a roundtable. You could reverse the entire train if the branch was long. Imagine an engine heading forward West on the mainline, switches North forward on the branch, then reverses South on the branch, switches, and reverses West on the mainline. Then it can continue forward East. It's like doing a three point turnaround on a narrow street with your car? > Can you point me/us at a picture? I saw the union station Kansas City picture in Roy's Train Photos album. It sure is spaghetti, kind of like 150' of track and 16 turnouts on my 7' x 14' layout. > winchester54947 <winchester54947@...> wrote: > Any of the AF professors ever built a 'wye' turnaround off the main > line?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39750	From: Roy Inman	Date: 3/28/2006
Subject: Re: 3 turnout turnaround

Hey all; Just FYI, in the new KC Rail Experience at Union Station Kansas City the local N scale group is recreating that aerial scene in a 600-square foot space, complete with most of the trackage, the roundhouse and the Wye. It will be mostly completed by December, but if any of you are in the neighborhood, be sure to take a look Only wish it were in S... Cheers :) Roy Inman www.unionstationphotos.com > From: winchester54947 <winchester54947@...> > Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 09:10:14 +0000 > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] 3 turnout turnaround > >> Robert Graves wrote: >> For those of us who don't know the terminology, what is a wye > turnaround? > > A 'wye' is used to reverse direction on the mainline or in a yard. > It's simpler and doesn't require maintenance as a roundtable. You > could reverse the entire train if the branch was long. Imagine an > engine heading forward West on the mainline, switches North forward > on the branch, then reverses South on the branch, switches, and > reverses West on the mainline. Then it can continue forward East. > It's like doing a three point turnaround on a narrow street with your > car? > >> Can you point me/us at a picture? > > I saw the union station Kansas City picture in Roy's Train Photos > album. It sure is spaghetti, kind of like 150' of track and 16 > turnouts on my 7' x 14' layout. > >> winchester54947 <winchester54947@...> wrote: >> Any of the AF professors ever built a 'wye' turnaround off the main >> line? > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39751	From: ken garber	Date: 3/28/2006
Subject: Re: Amtrak manufacturers

On 28 Mar 2006 18:48:11 -0000, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com < S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > > Message: 15 > Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 01:35:52 -0600 > From: "Scott Davidson" <scottdee25@...> > Subject: Quick Real Life Questions Regarding Tundra on Amtrack Engine... > > > What comapny makes the Amtrack railroad equipment... is it GM? Locomotives: The F59PHI is GM - slowly leaving the roster. The rest are GE of various models. Passenger cars: Budd, Bombardier, ..... > I guess if it is that would be especially funny... > > I have read that 18 wheeler trucks may carry advertising... > > I guess trains beat them to it... VIA has decorated their locos for many years. The latest being a Budweiser locomotive done up for the Superbowl in Detroit. GO Transit has done their bi-level coaches in varying schemes. I have heard it's about $35K to do such a job. ken [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39752	From: George Cohn	Date: 3/28/2006
Subject: Re: Amtrak manufacturers

ken garber wrote: > > VIA has decorated their locos for many years. The latest being a Budweiser > locomotive done up for the Superbowl in Detroit. > > GO Transit has done their bi-level coaches in varying schemes. > > I have heard it's about $35K to do such a job. > The City of Tucson Rapid Transit system has many of their buses painted as rolling billboards. The ads even extend into the glass area. Not sure what the process is but obviously they must be able to see out. ;-) I personally find it offensive but that's because the local billboard company has desecrated the countryside with bill boards, even in residential neighborhoods. George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39753	From: G. Elems	Date: 3/28/2006
Subject: Brass GE 70 tonner

Hello, I opened a poll a couple weeks ago to see what interest brass locomotives would have on this list. It looks like brass garners much interest, but then again my questions might be off base too. <VBG> Anyway, I'm trying to test the waters for a brass engine project. The engine of interest is the General Electric 70 ton diesel. A nice small prototype that could built to run on scale or AF layouts with fidelity maintained to the model. I've received a few e mails about it but they were from people who already knew of my intent. So the question is. Would it be a waste of time to try and include a version that was set up like SHS switchers to run on AF layouts? The more interest in this little engine the lower the price can be. TIA Greg Elems [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39754	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 3/28/2006
Subject: Re: Amercian Models Amtrak set

YEPPER!!!! Jim Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39755	From: amtrains42	Date: 3/28/2006
Subject: Re: Layouts or shows

Hello all, If you go to http://trainweb.org/mvsg, someone on their contact list should be able to answer your questions. They put on a good S-Spree show in Dayton, Oh last spring. I had a good time. Bill Johnson amtrains42 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "John Frankforther" <beebear@...> wrote: > > I will be going down to Cincinnati this weekend - Thur - Sunday - Any > good S train shops or layouts to visit, besides the one at union > station? > > John >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39756	From: amtrains42	Date: 3/29/2006
Subject: Re: 322 hudson

Hello everyone, While I agree with Glenn about the three digit information, I personally know of one exception to the rule. Whether this was done by ACG or someone who later modified this engine for reasons unknown, I can not be sure. However, if you want to be safe, apply DC to the locomotive. As pointed out below, a universal motor of which all motors that have brushes made by ACG with the exception of the DC only motors are that type and, will operate on either power. Do NOT attempt to apply AC to a DC only motor. It will burn up the armature. Also It can be determined visually whether the locomotive is AC or DC. Look in the rear of the locomotive. Above the brush holders near the cab roof is either a square black magnet mounted on the field lamination or a coil of wire with leads coming off of it. The black permanent magnet is DC only and the coil field is a universal type of motor. All of my locomotives except for my latest purchase are of the universal type. Therefore, I have both types to make the comparison. I hope this is useful to someone. Bill Johnson amtrains42 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Glenn Ritter" <gartrain@...> wrote: > > All 3 digit Gilbert steam engines > run on AC or DC. We often ran > our club layout on AC or DC. > Smoke and lights worked fine on > DC. > > Glenn > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "keefer1" <keefer1_us@...> > To: "Jenni Sipla" <jadenralph@...>; <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2006 1:39 PM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 322 hudson > > > > Not all DC locs were marked DC , I believe at least > > one 332 was not marked , but ran on DC. > > > > --- Jenni Sipla <jadenralph@...> wrote: > > > > > The 322 was only made in A/C. When ever gilbert did > > > make a d/c engine it was taged D/C on the cab. so > > > the number will show 322 DC. > > > Bret > > > > > > oldiron_tractor <whitford@...> wrote: > > > Sorry folks silly me. > > > I should have read my own post A bit more clearly > > > before hitting send. > > > Yes I do know that it will opperate on my AF track > > > but what i wanted > > > to know was about the power needed to test it out. > > > > > > Thank you & take care. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > > > http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > > > too! > > > > > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > > > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for > > > ridiculously low rates. > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > > > http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > > > too! > > > > > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > > > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39757	From: lember2004	Date: 3/29/2006
Subject: appearance of 663 aluminum observation help

The AF aluminum passenger cars are among my favorites - except for the 663 observation because of the color-mismatched die-cast rounded tail. Anyone have any success it improving the match to the aluminum by shining, painting the tail, etc? Thanks for your ideas! Mark

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39758	From: wc johnson	Date: 3/29/2006
Subject: Re: Quick Real Life Questions Regarding Tundra on Amtrack Engine...

While on a short vacation trip through central Colorado I noticed an Amtrak train at a station along route Us50. The locomotives were of the newer types and the manufacturer's data plate declared that GE was the manufacturer. To see the pictures that I took click on http://trains.vpshome.com . Click the picture captioned Prototypes. Bill Johnson amtrains42 Scott Davidson <scottdee25@...> wrote: Please don't hate me .... :>) I know I could dig this out over the Inet but thought someone may quickly know... But... What comapny makes the Amtrack railroad equipment... is it GM? I guess if it is that would be especially funny... I have read that 18 wheeler trucks may carry advertising... I guess trains beat them to it... Scott Dee S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39759	From: Roy Inman	Date: 3/29/2006
Subject: AM Northern coupler change

Hi all; Being a "hi-scaler" I bought one of the AM Northern AC units with sound. As with my other equipment, I want to change out the AF compatible tender coupler with a Kaydee 802 (or equivalent). Has anyone done this and if so, how did you go about it? Any ideas appreciated. Cheers :) Roy Inman www.unionstationphotos.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39761	From: Gerry Evans dba Best of Show Model Build	Date: 3/30/2006
Subject: Fw: {S-Scale List} AM Northern coupler change

----- Original Message ----- From: "Roy Inman" <rinphoto@...> I want to change out the AF compatible tender > coupler with a Kaydee 802 (or equivalent). > Has anyone done this and if so, how did you go about it? ROY & Company: Got my scale DC 4-8-4 last Saturday. Nice. Installing the tender 802 (included with my model from AM) was pretty much a no-brainer. Unless the AC/sound versions are different, the 802 screwed down on the existing coupler pad, and the height gauge showed it to be right on the money. I can't see a problem here as mine went on in a matter of a couple of minutes. The only anomoly is that the draft gear box sticks out about 3/32" further than it should. Installing an 802 on the pilot is another story, i.e., lots of sanding on the draft gear box, had to clip off the glad hand, and lastly enlarge the center hole on the gear box to accommodate the machine screw that hold the pilot to the body. Strictly cosmetics. Gerry Evans In Flagstaff > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39762	From: oldiron_tractor	Date: 3/30/2006
Subject: Once agian on the 322

Let me start by saying thank you to all for the help you have given me. Now for the 322 hudson, with all of the wiring diagrams you folks have sent to me I have looked all of them over & have come to the conclusion that this particular hudson is missing the e-unit in it. My total wire count on this is 10. 2- headlight to the smoke unit. 2- from the smoke unit to the brush plate. 2- from brush plate to the female plug. 2- from the tender 1 on each truck to the male plug. 2- from the coil to unk location. With all of this that i have in front of me I would think it to be made to operate just one direction. Is this possible or am i correct in thinking that someone some where removed the e-unit that should be in the tender or the one that would have mounted on the back of the brush plate. other than the silver stamp numbers on the cab ( 322 ) it has stamped raised lettering in the cab top ( PA9210A ). Going to the RFG wireing site the only tender that matches what i have here is 21130 & 21140. The engine model numbers are 21129, 30, 39 & 40. Personal side note, I am trying to learn repair work here out of my home to have as a side line hobby/ bussiness ( fallowing in my dads foot steps, he has been at it for 40+ years. Why I just don't ask him. ( to proud, more like stubborn too, son like father ) So if i can get help from here I would appreciate it if not I will eat humble pie & go ask dad & get the I told you so over with from my wife. More on dad later. Thank you & take care. Ed.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39763	From: Roy Inman	Date: 3/30/2006
Subject: Re: Fw: {S-Scale List} AM Northern coupler change

Gerry, The AC hirail version must be different. The AF compatible coupler that comes attached is held down with a screw that is considerably larger than an 802 screw. There is another, smaller hole further inboard on the draw bar, but it is for a plastic "spring" that keeps the AF coupler centered. Hard to describe in an email...but that hole is so far forward, that the 802 just barely makes it past the end of the tender, which creates an extremely tight couple to the first car. I have not even run it yet, but it looks to me as though such a close couple would not allow the tender/first car to negotiate curves, even wide radius ones. Maybe what I want to do can't be done without modification to the drawbar, or perhaps replacement with the scale drawbar. Roy > From: Gerry Evans dba Best of Show Model Builders <bestofshow@...> > Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 07:27:43 -0700 > To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] Fw: {S-Scale List} AM Northern coupler change > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Roy Inman" <rinphoto@...> > I want to change out the AF compatible tender >> coupler with a Kaydee 802 (or equivalent). >> Has anyone done this and if so, how did you go about it? > > ROY & Company: > Got my scale DC 4-8-4 last Saturday. Nice. Installing the tender 802 > (included with my model from AM) was pretty much a no-brainer. Unless the > AC/sound versions are different, the 802 screwed down on the existing > coupler pad, and the height gauge showed it to be right on the money. I > can't see a problem here as mine went on in a matter of a couple of minutes. > The only anomoly is that the draft gear box sticks out about 3/32" further > than it should. Installing an 802 on the pilot is another story, i.e., lots > of sanding on the draft gear box, had to clip off the glad hand, and lastly > enlarge the center hole on the gear box to accommodate the machine screw > that hold the pilot to the body. Strictly cosmetics. > Gerry Evans > In Flagstaff >> >> >> >> Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39764	From: Jenni Sipla	Date: 3/30/2006
Subject: Re: Once agian on the 322

ED On the 322 you are missing the reverse unit in the tender. There are two types of 322 engines one has smoke in boiler and reverse unit in tender(your engine AKA SIB) and there is smoke-in-tender and reverse in boiler(AKA SIT) your tender possibly. If the tender shell is solid without a small hole in the top then it is the correct tender shell for the 322 SIB. You will need to add is the reverse unit and possibly the connectors to the engine and tender. Now the other difference between the SIT and SIB engines are the cab to tender connections. The SIB SHOULD!! have a four pin female connector with a male four pin wired to the tender. This style is typical for most SIB engines 302 312 290-295, so you can get the cab connector if needed from junk smaller CHEAPER engines. The tender four pin male connector is readily available from most Guilbert parts suppliers. The SIT only has two wires from the tender to the engine with a female 2 PIN connector mounted to the engine. The SIT engine is wired this way because the reverse unit is in the boiler in place of the smoke unit. I hope this information helps i would send some pics but unfortunately my camera is getting repaired. You can check e-bay to find some pics of these parts or engines to help your research. Your engine is most likely wired for one direction. The 5 digit engines or most steam engines built after 1957-58 you describe have a different motor and reverse assembly(mounted Piggy back to the drive assembly in the back of the engine) very similliar to the 21005-21160 and 21085 engines. 21166, 65 and 21188 engines are completely different from the above 5 digit engines. I do not recommend using these wireing diagrams they WILL cause you problems I hope this helps Bret oldiron_tractor <whitford@...> wrote: Let me start by saying thank you to all for the help you have given me. Now for the 322 hudson, with all of the wiring diagrams you folks have sent to me I have looked all of them over & have come to the conclusion that this particular hudson is missing the e-unit in it. My total wire count on this is 10. 2- headlight to the smoke unit. 2- from the smoke unit to the brush plate. 2- from brush plate to the female plug. 2- from the tender 1 on each truck to the male plug. 2- from the coil to unk location. With all of this that i have in front of me I would think it to be made to operate just one direction. Is this possible or am i correct in thinking that someone some where removed the e-unit that should be in the tender or the one that would have mounted on the back of the brush plate. other than the silver stamp numbers on the cab ( 322 ) it has stamped raised lettering in the cab top ( PA9210A ). Going to the RFG wireing site the only tender that matches what i have here is 21130 & 21140. The engine model numbers are 21129, 30, 39 & 40. Personal side note, I am trying to learn repair work here out of my home to have as a side line hobby/ bussiness ( fallowing in my dads foot steps, he has been at it for 40+ years. Why I just don't ask him. ( to proud, more like stubborn too, son like father ) So if i can get help from here I would appreciate it if not I will eat humble pie & go ask dad & get the I told you so over with from my wife. More on dad later. Thank you & take care. Ed. S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39765	From: beechcricker	Date: 3/30/2006
Subject: Re: AF 290 Issue

Thank you to all of you that responded to my query. After a more thorough examination of the wiring inside and outside of the tender, it appeared the two wires soldered to the "post" above the lead tender truck may be the culprit. I unattached them, shortened the one wire's bundle of strands a bit, and then soldered both wires back on the post. The engine then rode like a charm. Jeff Feldmeier --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "beechcricker" <BeechCrRR@...> wrote: > > Hello, > > I haven't posted in quite a spell but thought I would now as I'm having > issues with my 290. > > When I hold the (metal) tender shell off to the side it runs fine. Of > course that creates operational issues of its own! However, when I > place the shell back on the tender's underframe, the 290 just hums (I > can hear the drum clicking when I apply power). > > The drum is clean. The fingers are almost new and firm against the > drum. The brushes are clean too. > > How might I resolve this problem? > > Jeff Feldmeier >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39766	From: Steve Blancard	Date: 3/30/2006
Subject: Why did AF decide to make the K5 (310-315) steamer?

Why did AF decide to make the K5 (310-315) steamer? From what I've read, only 2 K5s were ever built. They were made as an experiment to see if the standard Pacific design could be improved by increasing the size of the boiler and firebox to increase power. They were not a big success. They found that the tractive effort was less than a standard Pacific design because the increased power did not come with much of an increase in weight on the driving axles. As a result the drivers could not deliver the extra power to the rails. They worked OK, but not well enough to produce more than the two prototypes. So only two were ever built. So why did AF decide to model a locomotive that was never put into regular production? My guess is that it was a beautifully proportioned and powerful looking engine that could be made using an existing 3 driving axle chassis. In my opinion, it is perhaps the nicest looking and well detailed of all the steamers they produced. What do you guys think? Steve

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39767	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 3/30/2006
Subject: Re: Why did AF decide to make the K5 (310-315) steamer?

WHY THE K-5? From what I have seen & read, Gilbert set up the K-5 design as well as most of the other steam designs in 1938 or 1939 when they first came out as "O" gauge running gear with a 3/16" chassis. Perhaps in 1938 the K-5 was cutting edge for it's day. My question would be why did Gilbert only produce about 7 steam models from 1938 to 1957? 20 years of the same locomotives. No wonder he never had the edge on HO or "L". Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Blancard" <splitdorf@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 7:00 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Why did AF decide to make the K5 (310-315) steamer? > Why did AF decide to make the K5 (310-315) steamer? > > From what I've read, only 2 K5s were ever built. They were made as an > experiment to see if the standard Pacific design could be improved by > increasing the size of the boiler and firebox to increase power. They > were not a big success. They found that the tractive effort was less > than a standard Pacific design because the increased power did not > come with much of an increase in weight on the driving axles. As a > result the drivers could not deliver the extra power to the rails. > They worked OK, but not well enough to produce more than the two > prototypes. So only two were ever built. > > So why did AF decide to model a locomotive that was never put into > regular production? My guess is that it was a beautifully > proportioned and powerful looking engine that could be made using an > existing 3 driving axle chassis. In my opinion, it is perhaps the > nicest looking and well detailed of all the steamers they produced. > > What do you guys think? > > Steve > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39768	From: splitdorf@1bigred.com	Date: 3/30/2006
Subject: Re: Why did AF decide to make the K5 (310-315) steamer?

If I recall correctly the 2 K5s were built around 1929. So by the late 30s they had long since superceded by better engines. It sure would have been nice if they made a few others like a Mikado or a Mountain type. Oh, well, I guess we'll never really know. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: Glenn Ritter [mailto:gartrain@...] Sent: 3/30/2006 7:31:29 PM To: splitdorf@...;S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Why did AF decide to make the K5 (310-315) steamer? > WHY THE K-5? > > From what I have seen & read, > Gilbert set up the K-5 design > as well as most of the other steam > designs in 1938 or 1939 when > they first came out as "O" > gauge running gear with a > 3/16" chassis. Perhaps in > 1938 the K-5 was cutting > edge for it's day. My question > would be why did Gilbert > only produce about 7 > steam models from 1938 > to 1957? 20 years of the same > locomotives. No wonder > he never had the edge on HO or > "L". > > Glenn > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steve Blancard" <splitdorf@...> > To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 7:00 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] Why did AF decide to make the K5 (310-315) steamer? > > > > Why did AF decide to make the K5 (310-315) steamer? > > > > From what I've read, only 2 K5s were ever built. They were made as an > > experiment to see if the standard Pacific design could be improved by > > increasing the size of the boiler and firebox to increase power. They > > were not a big success. They found that the tractive effort was less > > than a standard Pacific design because the increased power did not > > come with much of an increase in weight on the driving axles. As a > > result the drivers could not deliver the extra power to the rails. > > They worked OK, but not well enough to produce more than the two > > prototypes. So only two were ever built. > > > > So why did AF decide to model a locomotive that was never put into > > regular production? My guess is that it was a beautifully > > proportioned and powerful looking engine that could be made using an > > existing 3 driving axle chassis. In my opinion, it is perhaps the > > nicest looking and well detailed of all the steamers they produced. > > > > What do you guys think? > > > > Steve > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39769	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 3/30/2006
Subject: Re: Why did AF decide to make the K5 (310-315) steamer

Hang about Glenn. There sure was a great variety in HO during that period with a number of manufacturers but from what I can remember the variety of steam by the Big "L" wasnt much greater than that of old AC during that period. My memory could be faulty but I dont remember there being more than about 8 steamers in the L stable at that time and only about three of them were more than crude toys. It has been about 15 years since I had anything to do with them so I could be wrong. I would have thought Lionel got there because they continued with a size and type of track that was more familiar to dads buying toys for their kids like the ones they had when kids. Alistair

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39770	From: Roy Inman	Date: 3/30/2006
Subject: Wye illustration

My apologies to whomever it was that was wondering about a wye. The photo I referred him to has a reverse loop of course, and in the far, far left hand side is the wye. It is really difficult to tell from the small internet photo. for a clear illustration of a wye: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wye_(railroad) Roy Inman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39771	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 3/31/2006
Subject: Re;Why did AF make the K5.....

All of the forgoing posts are good possible answers. To this I would ask another, related question...Why were Gilbert's steamers almost all passenger engines? Atlantics, 3 Pacifics, Hudsons...where were the Mikados, Berkshires, and the like? They made a few switchers and the dual purpose Northern, but where were the freight engines? Sure AF sold passenger sets, but they sold ALOT more freight cars. Where were the locomotives to pull them? True, toward the end of steam you could see passenger locos haul freight, but that was not the norm. Could it be that one steamer looks alot like another to a child, so they went with looks rather than reality? We'll never know. Stumpy Stone...student of steam in Appalachia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39772	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 3/31/2006
Subject: Re: Why did AF decide to make the K5 (310-315) steamer?

Why not? L had only the 700E aka 5344 Hudson, as a scale loco-and even 70 years on, it's still a beauty. Late 40s, early 50s, the L lineup had added the NYC switcher to it's scale line-up. There were 2-4-2, 2-6-2 economy steamers, the Turbine, 4-8-4, and the 2 styles of baby Hudsons in the line-up-not as much variety as A.C. offered. And they weren't crude toys-they were as rugged as anything Gilbert-or Coleman, if we stay with 3 rail-ever made. They lacked the realistic proportions and level of detail that Gilbert had and did not smoke as well-and the smoke left white gunk all over the boiler after a few months. What the manufacturing philosophy at L may have been was trains for junior, trains for dad-and Gilbert may have been considered too delicate for kids. Fifty-plus years later there is little point in examining it at length-all that's relevant is the continued enjoyment of the product(s)-John Marganski --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39773	From: Al Baker	Date: 3/31/2006
Subject: PRR K-5

The PRR K-5s were made in 1929, a hopeful upgrade to the very successful K-4. Most of what the previous writers was correct - one description I read was the K-5 was like a car inwhich someone put a hotrod engine. It was so powerful it was easy to spin the wheels - too easy. But regardless, the two that were built were used for many years. # 5698 which Gilbert modeled, was built in Altoona, the other #5699 was built by Baldwin. For the record: Tractive Effort for K4 was 44,460 lbs, for K-5 54,675 lbs. The upgrade to the K-4 eventually became the M-1 which is a 4-8-2 and used some of the design features from the K-5. Yes, it makes one wonder why Gilbert didn't model the K-4 which was very successful, and 425 were built. Of course they looked quite similar, placement of the bell being one of the most recognizable differences at a distance. Al Baker PRR nut.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39774	From: Bill	Date: 3/31/2006
Subject: Lehigh Valley S Gaugers Web-site

Hi, We are pleased to announce that new material has been added to our Lehigh Valley Model railroader Website Our March meeting at Bert Mahrs "CONRAIL EASTERN" S scale model railroad. Bert is the only S Scale pike on the NMRA's Philadelphia Conventions tour list! Look for a complete article on Bert's S scale pike coming soon. http://www.lehighvalleysgaugers.org/roundtable/2006/2006_03_19_Bert_Mahr.pdf While at our web-site, we have much more for you to cruise though in S scale model railroading thanks to the expertise of Stan Furmanak, our web-Meister! http://www.lehighvalleysgaugers.org Also, our club has sold over 200 of Frank Titman's "Spiral Hill" hoppers, but we have more. If you haven't already bought a piece of our S Gauge history, now is the time to do so. S Helper Service - American Flyer or Scale, your choice, Ready To Run! Frank has done so much for us over the years, now you can honor him by having a Spiral Hill Hopper on your model pike. They come in three numbers. His birth date - The start of the Delaware Valley S Gaugers - The start of the Lehigh Valley S Gaugers http://www.lehighvalleysgaugers.org/club_cars.html Have a Great day, Bill Fraley [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39775	From: srgriggs	Date: 3/31/2006
Subject: Re: Why did AF decide to make the K5 (310-315) steamer?

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Blancard" <splitdorf@...> wrote: > > Why did AF decide to make the K5 (310-315) steamer? > > From what I've read, only 2 K5s were ever built. They were made as an > experiment to see if the standard Pacific design could be improved snip...snip... I think only two prototype K5's were built by the PRR because by the time they had been evaluated, the state of the art in steam locomotives was shifting to four axle power. I don't think that the K5's were necessarily unsuccessful, but they probably saw bigger power as giving them more bang for the buck. By the late 1930's The Pennsy had moved on to developing the S-, T-, and Q-Class Duplexes. I think you make a good point about Gilbert using the K5 because it may have fit the 3 axle steam chassis better than the K4 yet was still unmistakeably a Pennsy prototype. If you think about it, there are a few examples of very popular toy trains modeled after one-off prototypes (for example the Lionel PRR 6-8-6 Turbine, Gilbert B&O Royal Blue/Circus/Silver Bullet, Lionel PRR 3768 Torpedo, Lionel UP M10000, Lionel Commodore Vanderbilt-based steamers). More info on the Pennsy K5 can be found at the link below (scroll down about 2/3 of the page): http://www.steamlocomotive.com/pacific/prr/ Photo of the prototype K5 Gilbert used: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S- Trains/files/AFPrototypePhotos/AFPennsyK5Pacific/ Scott

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39776	From: Roy Inman	Date: 3/31/2006
Subject: Re: Fw: {S-Scale List} AM Northern coupler change

Yes Ben, I did. Ron said they "didn't order the parts, but will this week." I suspect I am not the only one who would rather see a more scale coupler on the back end of this well-detailed die-cast engine. The AF version has a bar or tongue or whatever you want to call it screwed onto the back of the truck. The AF compatible coupler is then screwed onto the end of this bar. The screw hole for the AF compatible coupler is way to big for the Kadee coupler box screws, plus, if one were to attach the Kadee coupler box to the bar, I imagine it would then be difficult to get the correct coupler height, and to achieve the proper coupler overhang. I kind of wonder why Ron did not go ahead and order the parts, which I am assuming would include the coupler mounting pad and screws, and perhaps just include them with the AF version for "hi-scalers" such as myself. But I know he had lots on his plate, just bringing this engine to market. Would not be hard to make something, either out of metal or resin. Which brings me to my question: How thick is your coupler mounting pad? I am assuming the overhang on the Northern tender shell is the same on both scale and AF versions, and if so, the coupler pad thickness could be the same for both. Roy I > From: bentrous <ben.trousdale@...> > Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 14:55:03 +0000 > To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Fw: {S-Scale List} AM Northern coupler change > > Sure enough looking at my scale version of the Northern, there is a > formed stamped T-shaped metal piece that is screwed to the tender > floor (Santa Fe version) that drops the coupler mounting height. The > stem of the T extends under and beyond the shell of the tender. The > coupler is mounted to the stem. A similar device could easily be > made by laminating flat plastic and attaching to the tender floor. > Has anyone tried contacting AM to see if they sell this part (with > screws) separately? > > Ben Trousdale > > --- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, "Arden Goehring" <arden@...> wrote: >> >> Just make your own pad. Get a piece of styrene or even wood of the > appropriate thickness (about 3/32), drill two holes for the coupler > box mounting holes. I like to use the left and right box holes > (there are four in a cross formation) although sometimes due to > clearance or other problem I use the center & back holes. Then drill > & tap holes into the frame of the tender. Actually with the long > self tapping screws that come with the 802's you can drill holes and > carefully crank in the screws, maybe backing in and out as you > gradually progress so as not to break the screws. >> >> You could also glue everything instead, but I do not like that > method. It is not as reliable and it cannot be easily taken apart. >> >> Hey, you need to stopping fowling (fouling) and start fishing with > the Big Boys. {:-) >> >> But to my eye, that would elevate the coupler a bit too much. Plus, > the >> tender shell extends down about 3/32 of an inch below the tender > floor, so >> the coupler box would not be mounted square. From what Gerry said > in an >> email to just me, I think I understand that on the scale version > there is a >> coupler mounting pad which positions the coupler box correctly. > There is no >> coupler mounting pad on my AC hirail version. The bar on which the > AF >> coupler is now mounted is actually held on with two screws, so it > would be >> easy to remove. I am one of those "hi-scalers," neither fish nor > fowl... :) >> Roy >> >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39777	From: lember2004	Date: 3/31/2006
Subject: Answers to ? about aluminum 663 appearance

Many thanks to the responders to my question about improving the appearance of the tail section of an aluminum 663 observation car. All were encouraging and suggested that polishing the die-cast tail would achieve minimizing the difference in appearance with the main body. I'll be be giving it a try! Mark

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39778	From: lember2004	Date: 3/31/2006
Subject: Re: Why did AF decide to make the K5 (310-315) steamer?

I have found all the different responses to be fun and fascinating - thanks to the original poster! My two cents: when i returned to Gilbert AF about a year ago, I looked through all the catalogs and had to a chance to see most of the various steamers in person at someone's large collection. There were two steamers that stood out to me as must aqusitions to accompany the 290 I still had from my youth: an all metal 0-8-0 and a bejeweled K-5. Something about the 'look and feel' of the K-5 put it ahead [for me] of the Hudsons, Atlantics, and even Northerns. So, maybe part of the answer to 'why the K-5' was simply that the Gilbert marketing folks recognized that it would have good sales 'curb appeal.' Mark

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39779	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 3/31/2006
Subject: Re: KD- couplers

Dear Roy, We have lots of AF operators who now use KD style coupler for some of their fleet. A few years back, Robin told me that we were selling more KD to AF guys than scale modelers. I always thought an interesting poll would be how many AF compatible operators also used KD style couplers for some or all of their equipment. Best regards, Don PS We include our #01295 KD style coupler for the rear of our tender in all 2-8-0s.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39780	From: Phil K	Date: 3/31/2006
Subject: Here we go again... PLEASE READ

I thought this was a great question about aluminum 663s and couldn't wait to see the answers. Apparently, Mark got plenty of responses... and all were offline. So now the topic is dead? S-Trains will cease to be informative and entertaining if we allow it to evolve into a place where we post only questions to solicit offline, private answers. So please, send all replies (answers) to the entire S-Trains group! In the past, some members have complained about the number of emails they're getting each day. That shouldn't be a problem as you have choices: 1) getting every post in a separate email; 2) getting one email a day -- a daily digest -- listing all emails from that day; 3) receiving no emails at all and visiting the forum to catch up on postings. Phil K *************************************************************** --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "lember2004" <lember2004@...> wrote: > > Many thanks to the responders to my question about improving the > appearance of the tail section of an aluminum 663 observation car. All > were encouraging and suggested that polishing the die-cast tail would > achieve minimizing the difference in appearance with the main body. > I'll be be giving it a try! > Mark >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39781	From: Art Shifrin	Date: 3/31/2006
Subject: K5

It was introduced in the 1940 catalog, NOT earlier. The two cabs #s were 561 and 559. The coil of the eunit for the latter was wired in series with a DC relay so that the direction would not change when powered on & off. The direction was changed under power by pulsing DC via a special purpose "DRC" button switch, or pressing the armature of the relay with a suitably sized prong through a small hole at the top of the boiler. The 561 had a slot on top for the eunit's lever. I don't know why they chose to make it, but I'm glad that they did. An inverse corrolary of the question is why they didn't make 3/16 O diesels and a GG1..... Best, Shiffy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39782	From: Roy Inman	Date: 3/31/2006
Subject: Re: KD- couplers

Yes, and I appreciate that the couplers are included. I love the old Flyer equipment with its clunky couplers. However, on a beautiful piece of scale equipment like your 2-8-0, I personally prefer the more scale-like coupler. Just IMHO. Roy I www.unionstationphotos.com > From: Donald Thompson <don@...> > Organization: S Helper Service Inc. > Reply-To: don@... > Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 13:38:13 -0500 > To: Roy Inman <rinphoto@...> > Cc: bentrous <ben.trousdale@...>, S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: KD- couplers > > Dear Roy, > We have lots of AF operators who now use KD style coupler for some > of their fleet. A few years back, Robin told me that we were selling > more KD to AF guys than scale modelers. I always thought an interesting > poll would be how many AF compatible operators also used KD style > couplers for some or all of their equipment. > Best regards, > Don > PS We include our #01295 KD style coupler for the rear of our tender in > all 2-8-0s. > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39783	From: Steve Blancard	Date: 3/31/2006
Subject: Photos added - custom Franklins, Railtruck, ON30 conversions and K5

I've updated my album on Paul Yorle's site with photos of my 2 cutom Franklin locos, my custom railtruck, the Bachmann ON30 passenger car conversions and some photos of my K5 in action. There are also text files on how I converted the ON30 passenger cars and how I made the first cutom Franklin. http://s-scale.org/albums/v/friends/splitdorf/ Steve

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39784	From: manderman	Date: 3/31/2006
Subject: Re: Here we go again... PLEASE READ

Phil, I could not agree more to your concern... I too would have been very interested in everyone's suggestions as I am in the same situation of looking for the best method of reviving these cars. I for one am interested in all matters "S". If something is not holding my interest... the delete key is very near by. I find the same thing is true with the latest CHAT sessions I have visited. Seems like lots of private chat going on and not much public conversation. Maybe I am just still feeling like an outsider looking in... Mark Anderman I thought this was a great question about aluminum 663s and couldn't wait to see the answers. Apparently, Mark got plenty of responses... and all were offline. So now the topic is dead? S-Trains will cease to be informative and entertaining if we allow it to evolve into a place where we post only questions to solicit offline, private answers. So please, send all replies (answers) to the entire S-Trains group! In the past, some members have complained about the number of emails they're getting each day. That shouldn't be a problem as you have choices: 1) getting every post in a separate email; 2) getting one email a day -- a daily digest -- listing all emails from that day; 3) receiving no emails at all and visiting the forum to catch up on postings. Phil K *************************************************************** --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "lember2004" <lember2004@...> wrote: > > Many thanks to the responders to my question about >improving the > appearance of the tail section of an aluminum 663 >observation car. All > were encouraging and suggested that polishing the >die-cast tail would > achieve minimizing the difference in appearance with the >main body. > I'll be be giving it a try! > Mark > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39785	From: George Cohn	Date: 3/31/2006
Subject: Re: Here we go again... PLEASE READ

Phil K wrote: > > S-Trains will cease to be informative and entertaining if we allow it > to evolve into a place where we post only questions to solicit > offline, private answers. So please, send all replies (answers) to the > entire S-Trains group! > I admin a list for folks who collect the vintage Jaguar XK-E automobiles. We decided a long time ago that the only way to build a good searchable database of answers would be to set the list to "reply all". I find it annoying when I have to "reply to all" to make sure that my tidbit gets to a list. As far as volume, we generate over 100 messages a day and everyone appreciates the information and camaraderie the the list generates. Take the digest or use the delete key if a list generates more traffic than you like! ;-) George Cohn http://www.jag-lovers.org American Flyer enthusiast since 1953.....

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39786	From: David Engle	Date: 3/31/2006
Subject: Re: K5

If I remember right, PRR had several hundred or more K-4s, but only one or two K-5s, they were a new, much improved model. Back when Athearn intro'd the SW-1500, EMD may have been planning to use the same carbody as previous models, and Athearn planned accordingly. Athearn then brought out what amounted to an SW-7, and the prototype SW-1500 suddenly had a whole new body design. OTOH, ACG hit it on the head with the newer model. Could there be a corollary here? Nothing against Athearn, please, just a note of changes that happened when they did.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39787	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 3/31/2006
Subject: K5's and GGI's

Art poses a good question - why didnt they make a GGI? Possibly because it would have been copying Lionel at least in the post war era. IMHO, and at the risk of being accused of heresy, it is a shame Gilbert did not make one as the Lionel O gage GGI was the best TOY loco anyone ever made. A shortened caricature it may be but nothing else gives the same impression and reality of power even running around on ridiculously tight curves with the nose hanging out and a kid that had one surely loved it. It is the only O gage loco I regret selling years ago when I sort of decided to only keep S. The prototype was also one of the best manifestations of art deco design too which may contribute to my bias. Alistair.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39788	From: Don Thompson	Date: 3/31/2006
Subject: Re: K5's and GGI's

Dear Alistair, That one I think is pretty easy. PRR GG1s could be found close to the Lionel factory in Hillside New Jersey. New Haven EP5s ran right by the AC Gilbert factory in New Haven, CT. Best, Don Alistair McAllister wrote: >Art poses a good question - why didnt they make a GGI? Possibly >because it would have been copying Lionel at least in the post war >era. IMHO, and at the risk of being accused of heresy, it is a shame >Gilbert did not make one as the Lionel O gage GGI was the best TOY >loco anyone ever made. A shortened caricature it may be but nothing >else gives the same impression and reality of power even running >around on ridiculously tight curves with the nose hanging out and a >kid that had one surely loved it. It is the only O gage loco I regret >selling years ago when I sort of decided to only keep S. The prototype >was also one of the best manifestations of art deco design too which >may contribute to my bias. Alistair. > > > > > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >Enjoy thousands of great photos >at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39789	From: Rick Evans	Date: 3/31/2006
Subject: Fw: [S-Trains] Here we go again... PLEASE READ

****((((S-Trains will cease to be informative and entertaining if we allow it to evolve into a place where we post only questions to solicit offline, private answers. So please, send all replies (answers) to the entire S-Trains group!))))**** I agree! I was hoping to see responses to Mark's question. I used to do number 3)- "receiving no emails at all and visiting the forum to catch up on postings." I really enjoyed going to the site and catchin' up on the old threads, but Yahoo made it unbearable due to the ad pop-ups, making me click on somethin' to get to the thread I already clicked on! Sooooo, I switched to receiving emails. Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39790	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 3/31/2006
Subject: Re: K5's and GGI's

On Fri, 31 Mar 2006 22:49:56 -0000, Alistair McAllister wrote: > Possibly >because it would have been copying Lionel Yea, well then the Pensy 6-8-6 as well then. Probably my favorite looking L set, that engine with the green cars. Love to see that one run in the TM videos. AF had the EP5, so that covered their electric category. Too bad the 0-6-0 came back (post war) so late it was into the plastic ira. Same with the Franklin, plastic ira and that is the only early 1900'ish engine option... so I'll end up breaking time period, maybe do some On30 cars and a proper K5, Northern, etc... to pull the train, thus cars will be OK but the engine is too new. Oh, and the AM wood caboose. Say, how bad are the motors, etc... in the Franklin? Worth upgrading the Franklin to TMCC? g'night, Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39791	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 3/31/2006
Subject: Re: Here we go again... PLEASE READ

You know there is so much information going thru this site...... we need to have something set up to where we could place the best amswers so that a search could bring up an answer......IE..... how to fix a LINK COUPLER, or AM NORTHERN FIXES, etc..... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Evans" <bassflyer@...> To: "STrains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 8:40 PM Subject: Fw: [S-Trains] Here we go again... PLEASE READ > ****((((S-Trains will cease to be informative and entertaining if we allow > it > to evolve into a place where we post only questions to solicit > offline, private answers. So please, send all replies (answers) to the > entire S-Trains group!))))**** > > I agree! I was hoping to see responses to Mark's question. > > I used to do number 3)- "receiving no emails at all and visiting the > forum to catch up on > postings." I really enjoyed going to the site and catchin' up on the old > threads, but > Yahoo made it unbearable due to the ad pop-ups, making me click on > somethin' to > get to the thread I already clicked on! Sooooo, I switched to receiving > emails. > > Rick. > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39792	From: David Dewey	Date: 3/31/2006
Subject: AF Loco Choices

Well, besides the 31X series, the 30X locos are from a very low production prototype too. I think it was chosen for the firebox design, which allowed space for the ACG motor. BTW, one of the favorite L locos is the Turbine. Not many of them built in the real word too. S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39793	From: james carnes	Date: 3/31/2006
Subject: Re: Here we go again... PLEASE READ

Speaking of the number of emails on the list - I am currently receiving five copies of every email posted. I enjoy reading everyone's postings, but one time would be enough! Is anyone else having this problem? Does anyone have a suggestion on how to correct this? I am only receiving one copy of each email from the Showcaseline group. Jim C -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of George Cohn Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 5:02 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Here we go again... PLEASE READ Phil K wrote: > > S-Trains will cease to be informative and entertaining if we allow it > to evolve into a place where we post only questions to solicit > offline, private answers. So please, send all replies (answers) to the > entire S-Trains group! > I admin a list for folks who collect the vintage Jaguar XK-E automobiles. We decided a long time ago that the only way to build a good searchable database of answers would be to set the list to "reply all". I find it annoying when I have to "reply to all" to make sure that my tidbit gets to a list. As far as volume, we generate over 100 messages a day and everyone appreciates the information and camaraderie the the list generates. Take the digest or use the delete key if a list generates more traffic than you like! ;-) George Cohn http://www.jag-lovers.org American Flyer enthusiast since 1953.....

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39794	From: Brigadier Scottish Shop Beechworth	Date: 3/31/2006
Subject: Using pop rivets to fasten AF trucks

I have a several AF gondola bodies without trucks and a pile of assorted trucks - link and knuckle coupler. Tom Barker in his Repair Manual suggests using pop rivets to fasten trucks. Can anyone tell me which size/length works best or another cheap, quick way to do this. Thanks, John Harvey

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39795	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 4/1/2006
Subject: Deja Vue all over again.... Knowledge Base Repository Approaches?

S-Gang, A good idea but not trivial to implement... someone would have to spend allot of time managing relevant thread and sorting through responses... I do it for topics that interest me for downloaded e-mails on my own machine, but do have trouble keeping up... I am starting to consider just archiving all the messages in one folder and then executing a search for a topic to bring up relevant information... it may be more efficient that categorizing and sorting into topics- a sort of poor man's data warehouse.... Does anyone have any other ideas or do similar things? Scott Dee -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 8:37 PM To: STrains; Rick Evans Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Here we go again... PLEASE READ You know there is so much information going thru this site...... we need to have something set up to where we could place the best amswers so that a search could bring up an answer......IE..... how to fix a LINK COUPLER, or AM NORTHERN FIXES, etc..... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Evans" <bassflyer@...> To: "STrains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 8:40 PM Subject: Fw: [S-Trains] Here we go again... PLEASE READ > ****((((S-Trains will cease to be informative and entertaining if we allow > it > to evolve into a place where we post only questions to solicit > offline, private answers. So please, send all replies (answers) to the > entire S-Trains group!))))**** > > I agree! I was hoping to see responses to Mark's question. > > I used to do number 3)- "receiving no emails at all and visiting the > forum to catch up on > postings." I really enjoyed going to the site and catchin' up on the old > threads, but > Yahoo made it unbearable due to the ad pop-ups, making me click on > somethin' to > get to the thread I already clicked on! Sooooo, I switched to receiving > emails. > > Rick. > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39796	From: Dale Smith	Date: 4/1/2006
Subject: Re: Answers to ? about aluminum 663 appearance

Did anyone mention what they used to polish the die cast metal? Dale Smith ----- Original Message ----- From: "lember2004" <lember2004@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 11:39 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Answers to ? about aluminum 663 appearance > Many thanks to the responders to my question about improving the > appearance of the tail section of an aluminum 663 observation car. All > were encouraging and suggested that polishing the die-cast tail would > achieve minimizing the difference in appearance with the main body. > I'll be be giving it a try! > Mark > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39797	From: Rick Evans	Date: 4/1/2006
Subject: Re: Using pop rivets to fasten AF trucks...or.....

*****(((((((I have a several AF gondola bodies without trucks and a pile of assorted trucks - link and knuckle coupler. Tom Barker in his Repair Manual suggests using pop rivets to fasten trucks. Can anyone tell me which size/length works best or another cheap, quick way to do this.))))******* My Dad changed the link coupler to a knuckle coupler on my 282 loco waaaaay back when. He also changed just one link to a knuckle on my baggage car. He used just a couple of washers, small screw and a locking type nut (aircraft nut is it called?). Been holding since the early 60's! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39798	From: Roy Inman	Date: 4/1/2006
Subject: FYI: Northern coupler change

Hi all; Just FYI for any others like me who bought the AM Northern ATSF, AF version, and want to change the AF compatible coupler for a more scale-like Kadee 802, SHS, etc. On the scale version of the engine there is a coupler mounting pad screwed down onto the underside of the rear of the tender. The new, scale coupler mounts to this. On the AF version, (at least on MY AF version) there is no coupler mounting pad already installed. But in order to make a clean installation, you need to either (a)wait for Ron at AM to get in the parts; he responded to my request for information and said that he had not ordered the parts initially but would this week (week ending Friday I guess) and request the parts from him; don't know how much; or (b)make a mounting pad yourself and find the correct screws and washers yourself. Notice the two screw holes about 7/16" inboard from the rear of the tender. That is where the mounting pad mounts, nearly as I can tell. I suppose a person could measure carefully, then drill slightly oversize holes to make sure of alignment (I could never measure and then drill accurately enough to hit the holes, but others probably can), and use small washers underneath the correct size screws, which will give you some "fudge room." This only applies to the ATSF version, I guess. I have not seen the short-tender version in other road names. Surely I am not the only one who is interested in changing couplers...? But maybe so. If so, just delete. Cheers :) Roy Inman ww.unionstationphotos.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39799	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 4/1/2006
Subject: Re: Using pop rivets to fasten AF trucks

In a message dated 03/31/2006 8:43:03 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, brigadie@... writes: I have a several AF gondola bodies without trucks and a pile of assorted trucks - link and knuckle coupler. Tom Barker in his Repair Manual suggests using pop rivets to fasten trucks. Can anyone tell me which size/length works best or another cheap, quick way to do this. Thanks, John Harvey John, Why don't you just use the available rivets for that type of car? There are repro ones available for all the types as far as I know. Steve [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39800	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 4/1/2006
Subject: Re: Using pop rivets to fasten AF trucks

John, Pop rivets exert way too much holding power and when used on plastic, the trucks would be too tightly affixed to swivel easilly. The plastic may also be cracked from using them. If some folks have used them successfully, more power to them! I also recommend using the reproduction rivets available from our in house suppliers. They don't cost much and do the job they way they were intended. Then again, I have also used small machine screws. Your call. Jerry Poniatowski Registrar, 2006 NASG Convention --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, boss31@... wrote: > > > > In a message dated 03/31/2006 8:43:03 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, > brigadie@... writes: > > I have a several AF gondola bodies without trucks and a pile of assorted > trucks - link and knuckle coupler. Tom Barker in his Repair Manual > suggests using pop rivets to fasten trucks. Can anyone tell me which > size/length works best or another cheap, quick way to do this. > > Thanks, > John Harvey > > > > John, > Why don't you just use the available rivets for that type of car? There are > repro ones available for all the types as far as I know. > > Steve > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39801	From: Rick Evans	Date: 4/1/2006
Subject: Re: Here we go again... PLEASE READ

*****(((((Speaking of the number of emails on the list - I am currently receiving five copies of every email posted. I enjoy reading everyone's postings, but one time would be enough! Is anyone else having this problem? Does anyone have a suggestion on how to correct this? )))))****** Yes, it's been happening to me for a while now. Not EVERY one though. Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39802	From: rkuepper	Date: 4/1/2006
Subject: Re: Here we go again... PLEASE READ

I had the opposite problem - all of a sudden I stopped getting any mail from the various yahoo groups. When I checked, they said that all mail to my address from them had been "hard bounced"!! I reactivated each account, but so far S-trains is the only one I've received since 3/29! Dick -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rick Evans Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2006 10:27 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Here we go again... PLEASE READ *****(((((Speaking of the number of emails on the list - I am currently receiving five copies of every email posted. I enjoy reading everyone's postings, but one time would be enough! Is anyone else having this problem? Does anyone have a suggestion on how to correct this? )))))****** Yes, it's been happening to me for a while now. Not EVERY one though. Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39803	From: Steve Blancard	Date: 4/1/2006
Subject: Re: K5's and GGI's (Franklin motor comments)

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Lueck" <pianoman@...> wrote: >snip> > Say, how bad are the motors, etc... in the Franklin? Worth upgrading the > Franklin to TMCC? > I have a roundhouse full of Frnaklins. The motors are durable and seen to run well so long as they are properly lubricated. However, they are rather noisy. I think this is due to the sound resonating from the plastic body. Also, they have no axle bushing and if they are run with dry axles, they develop excess wear in the axle slots. This causes the gears to mesh imperfectly, resulting in more gear noise. I have upgraded both my custom Franklins to SnS can motors (see my album mentioned in a previous post yesterday for the "how to" article which includes the can motor conversion). They run smoothly and are much quieter. I have no experience with TMCC, but don't see why it wouldn't work. Steve

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39804	From: Robert Graves	Date: 4/1/2006
Subject: Re: Deja Vue all over again.... Knowledge Base Repository Approache

Having worked in the area of database management since the 1960s, I can tell you that Scott is dead right. There's nothing trivial about it. The English language being what it is, different people use different words for the same thing and the same words for different things. And people new to S don't yet know the jargon. Etc., etc. It doesn't matter how many different ways you code a message, someone somewhere will search for it using some other phrase. It is an unsolvable problem. Back in the early 1990s I saw a fantastic product at a trade show. It was software for searching text databases like our message archives. It let you search for phrases like "American Flyer", or words that sound like "semaphore" (since people like me misspell words a lot), or the word "Northern" within five words of "Union Pacific", or lots of other powerful combinations. I think it was from a company called Fulcrum Technologies, but I'm not sure. If we could get that kind of search capabilities on our archives, I believe it would be the best solution we could come up with. Scott Davidson <scottdee25@...> wrote: S-Gang, A good idea but not trivial to implement... someone would have to spend allot of time managing relevant thread and sorting through responses... I do it for topics that interest me for downloaded e-mails on my own machine, but do have trouble keeping up... I am starting to consider just archiving all the messages in one folder and then executing a search for a topic to bring up relevant information... it may be more efficient that categorizing and sorting into topics- a sort of poor man's data warehouse.... Does anyone have any other ideas or do similar things? Scott Dee -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 8:37 PM To: STrains; Rick Evans Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Here we go again... PLEASE READ You know there is so much information going thru this site...... we need to have something set up to where we could place the best amswers so that a search could bring up an answer......IE..... how to fix a LINK COUPLER, or AM NORTHERN FIXES, etc..... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Evans" To: "STrains" Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 8:40 PM Subject: Fw: [S-Trains] Here we go again... PLEASE READ > ****((((S-Trains will cease to be informative and entertaining if we allow > it > to evolve into a place where we post only questions to solicit > offline, private answers. So please, send all replies (answers) to the > entire S-Trains group!))))**** > > I agree! I was hoping to see responses to Mark's question. > > I used to do number 3)- "receiving no emails at all and visiting the > forum to catch up on > postings." I really enjoyed going to the site and catchin' up on the old > threads, but > Yahoo made it unbearable due to the ad pop-ups, making me click on > somethin' to > get to the thread I already clicked on! Sooooo, I switched to receiving > emails. > > Rick. > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger’s low PC-to-Phone call rates. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39805	From: NASG Library	Date: 4/1/2006
Subject: Mobley Library temporary closure

The NASG's Mobley Library will be closed until April 15, 2006. Dick Karnes, Librarian NASG Inc.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39806	From: Trains	Date: 4/1/2006
Subject: Kadee coupleres on AM 4-8-4 and like problems

Having had a lot of experience at Kadee and S scale and AF, the coupler conversion from AF style to "almost scale" Kadee type couplers has to do with the relationship of radius of curves and ability of coupler to swing with radius and not cause derailment of tender or cars. If you are using anything less than 24" radius you will most likely not be able to "Body mount" any coupler. In such a case using atruck mounted coupler is necessary. In model railroading this is of ten called "Talgo" mounted couplers (a missuse of the term referring to Spain/Portugals invention of the Talgo train swing motion mounted cars). "Talgo" trucks in toy and model trains have the coupler mounted to the truck, just like all toy trains and AF has done with link and knuckle trucks. To get good performance from a Kadee style coupler you will have to truck mount the coupler, to allow for enough swing and reliable operation. This is most critical on longer cars (tenders). I don't have a AM 4-8-4, and would have to see one with both style tenders to be precise about how to mount a Kadee style coupler. It may be possible to use existing AF coupler arm and modify it. However generally... a fairly thin (1/32" thick) flat stock about 1/2 " or so wide(K&S readily available anywhere) cut and drilled to fit over mounting hole of truck and length to just clear end of tender might be a solution. You will need a coupler height gauge and do some measuring/drilling/tapping. You will also have to be sure that this flat stock swings with truck turning movement. Be sure your "glad hand" of coupler clears top of track by 1/16". and that coupler and flat stock are centered on truck. And of course, be sure you have free movement under tender floor. By the way using AF radius curves also requires that all your cars also have "Talgo" mounted couplers for operation, regardless whether they are AF style or Kadee style. In HO Talgo trucks sometimes cause derailments when backing up, as they try to "twist" especially in curves and switches. Does not seem to be a problem with AF and AF style couplers. Hope this is helpfull, Peter Loeb [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39807	From: Roy Inman	Date: 4/1/2006
Subject: Re: Deja Vue all over again.... Knowledge Base Repository Approache

Scott, et al; I have various categories set up in different files: one is for tree-making, one is for weathering, one is for SHS, AM, Flyonel, Gilbert, accessories, air brushing, electrical, etc., etc. When I come across a topic that is of interest, I just save it to one of the file folders I have already established. But that is of course just on my machine. It sure would take a lot of work by someone to monitor and categorize all those posts and place in a file that all would have access to. All these files are contained in a super file: "S Stuff." Since most of the items are just text and not photos, they do not take up much storage space on my external hard drives, of which I have four. I do find that my system, such as it is, can be very helpful. I refer to it with frequency, partly because I have so much to learn. Cheers :) Roy Inman www.unionstationphotos.com > From: Scott Davidson <scottdee25@...> > Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2006 02:22:39 -0600 > To: 'ROBERT ALLEN CONNER' <rcon7@...>, 'STrains' > <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>, 'Rick Evans' <bassflyer@...> > Subject: [S-Trains] Deja Vue all over again.... Knowledge Base Repository > Approaches? > > Does anyone have any other ideas or do similar things?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39808	From: james carnes	Date: 4/1/2006
Subject: Re: Here we go again... PLEASE READ

Problem of multiple messages appears to be solved. I am using Outlook and have created rules to sort incoming emails. Incoming emails from S-Trains are supposed to be moved to a folder I created just for my train related emails. I checked my rules and found that I had multiple rules for S-trains, 5 of them; each filtering rule was creating a copy of the email. After deleting all but one, I am now getting only one copy. Another group that was producing duplicate copies of each email turned out to have two filtering rules. Jim -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of rkuepper Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2006 11:46 AM To: 'Rick Evans'; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Here we go again... PLEASE READ I had the opposite problem - all of a sudden I stopped getting any mail from the various yahoo groups. When I checked, they said that all mail to my address from them had been "hard bounced"!! I reactivated each account, but so far S-trains is the only one I've received since 3/29! Dick -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rick Evans Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2006 10:27 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Here we go again... PLEASE READ *****(((((Speaking of the number of emails on the list - I am currently receiving five copies of every email posted. I enjoy reading everyone's postings, but one time would be enough! Is anyone else having this problem? Does anyone have a suggestion on how to correct this? )))))****** Yes, it's been happening to me for a while now. Not EVERY one though. Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39809	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 4/1/2006
Subject: 2006 NASG National Convention

Fellow S gaugers, Just a reminder that the 2006 SMSG national convention will be held August 2-6 in Pontiac, Michigan, a norther suburb of Detroit. There was a great article in the Dispatch and more information can be seen at <smsgtrains.org>. It promises to be a good time! Jerry Poniatowski Registrar, 2006 NASG National Convention

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39810	From: Phil K	Date: 4/1/2006
Subject: Re: 2006 NASG National Convention

Hey Jerry -- Congrats on the nice layout photo in the most recent CTT (May, 2006). But the caption refers to a solitary figure... and I count at least what look like four people in the photo. Please explain, or are me peepers failin'? Phil K *********************************************************** --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Jerry Poniatowski" <poniaj@...> wrote: > > Fellow S gaugers, > > Just a reminder that the 2006 SMSG national convention will be held > August 2-6 in Pontiac, Michigan, a norther suburb of Detroit. There > was a great article in the Dispatch and more information can be seen > at <smsgtrains.org>. It promises to be a good time! > > Jerry Poniatowski > Registrar, 2006 NASG National Convention >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39811	From: Rick	Date: 4/1/2006
Subject: ATSF Crome B unit

Does anyone have a SHS ATSF crome B unit, working or not, powered or dummy, that they would like to part with. I have a beautiful SHS AA set and would love to have a B unit in between the two A's. Rick

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39812	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 4/1/2006
Subject: Re: [toytrains] Digest Number 4099

In a message dated 4/1/2006 12:17:03 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, toytrains@yahoogroups.com writes: Subject: Travel Expense to York Gas Price update---on occasion, until April 22 Rockvale In Lancaster Co, Rts 30 & 896----HESS and WAWA----2.39 per gallon Rts 30 & 41 in GAP---HESS and WAWA--2.29 per gallon, CITGO out of running @ 2.49. WORTH a trip to NTTM while visiting YORK. Think Wednesday April 19th. Other good deals to be announced. Gas predicted to hit 3.00 per gallon by summer, Genghis and Gunner Dick unconcerned. Jim " hoping to see YOU at NTTM" Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39813	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 4/1/2006
Subject: K5

In a message dated 3/31/2006 8:12:41 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, RIRocket@... writes: If I remember right, PRR had several hundred or more K-4s, but only one or two K-5s, The late, great PRR fielded 425 K-4s' Passenger locomotives and TWO K-5 locomotives. The K-5s' were built as test beds to evaluate larger boiler and firebox performance. They were "slippery" as they had too much power for the wheel arrangement. One was built with Capriotti valve gear (called Mussolini by shop forces) and the other with Walschaerts. The Capriotti gear was located under the boiler, inside the wheelbase and soon switched to Walschaerts by the shop forces. At least some of the features of the K-5s appeared on the M-1 and M1a Mountains (4-8-2), many of which were built as "Dual Service" locomotives, for either passenger or fast-freight. The first "Mountains" debuted a year after the 2 K-5s'. Looking back, hind-sight being as perfect as it is, the PRR would have been far better off to have produced the M-1 Mountains sooner and fewer K-4s'. Many times TWO K-4s' coupled to the BROADWAY LIMITED and other name trains, where only ONE Mountain would certainly have sufficed. NO M-Uing in those days, one engine -one crew. MORE overhead. It is difficult to understand why A C G offered so little choice in locomotive power, BUT, they had to know they had inventory problems. HOBBY SURPLUS is STILL selling A/F cabooses and some other cars they bought in the factory buy-out in 1967. THAT is an inventory imbalance. HAD to affect profitability, or lack there-of. Jim "Livin' on the Broad Way" Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39814	From: wc johnson	Date: 4/1/2006
Subject: Re: Here we go again... PLEASE READ

Hello Phill and Everyone, I think the problem is not so much that people are intentionally replying only to the sender as it is that the way Yahoo! Mail is set up. The default is reply to sender. If one is relativly new to web mail, as I am or just simply in a hurry, it is easy to forget that down arrow next to the reply box. Is there any way for this e-list to get Yahoo! to invert the options? I made that mistake once and had to copy what I wrote into a text editor then back into this mail program with the proper reply selection selected. My conlusion is that it probably happens more by accident than on purpose. Bill Johnson amtrains42 Phil K <waldootten@...> wrote: I thought this was a great question about aluminum 663s and couldn't wait to see the answers. Apparently, Mark got plenty of responses... and all were offline. So now the topic is dead? S-Trains will cease to be informative and entertaining if we allow it to evolve into a place where we post only questions to solicit offline, private answers. So please, send all replies (answers) to the entire S-Trains group! In the past, some members have complained about the number of emails they're getting each day. That shouldn't be a problem as you have choices: 1) getting every post in a separate email; 2) getting one email a day -- a daily digest -- listing all emails from that day; 3) receiving no emails at all and visiting the forum to catch up on postings. Phil K *************************************************************** --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "lember2004" wrote: > > Many thanks to the responders to my question about improving the > appearance of the tail section of an aluminum 663 observation car. All > were encouraging and suggested that polishing the die-cast tail would > achieve minimizing the difference in appearance with the main body. > I'll be be giving it a try! > Mark > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC and save big. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39815	From: flyerbuddy	Date: 4/1/2006
Subject: track pins

I am looking for advice to drive track pins back out after they have been pushed in too far. I found the large paper clips fit nicely but could not connect two together. I tried soldering,melting and superglue. Someone suggested piano wire but where would you get that. I know a music store. But they are few and far between where we live. Anyone know of anything else that might work? Buddy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39816	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 4/1/2006
Subject: Re: 2006 NASG National Convention

Hi Phil, Thanks! Yeah, the caption was wrong. I sent in about a dozen shots that were similar. The one that the caption goes to is indeed like it says. It was taken from the opposite side of the station with just the guy sitting on the platform bench next to the locomotive and baggage. But they also said I lived in Chesterfield, MI. That's where Lionel is located. I live 50 miles from there in Wayne. By the way, did you notice that the other layouts on the page were also from Michigan? Also, the station and platforms all are restorations of basket cases. The cars are repops. The train is a custom paint job. The photographer is a bit crazy............. I sent in those photos about 8 months ago and didn't hear anything from CTT until an issue showed up in my mail in an envelope. I plan on trying again with other photos. See you at the convention? Jerry --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Phil K" <waldootten@...> wrote: > > Hey Jerry -- > > Congrats on the nice layout photo in the most recent CTT (May, > 2006). But the caption refers to a solitary figure... and I count at > least what look like four people in the photo. Please explain, or > are me peepers failin'? > > Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39817	From: Trains	Date: 4/1/2006
Subject: AM 4-8-4 AF coupler version... converting to Kadee style couplers

> Subject: [S-Trains] Kadee coupleres on AM 4-8-4 and like problems > > 1st message ......ref. question from Roy Inman: Having had a lot of experience at Kadee and S scale and AF, the coupler > conversion from AF style to "almost scale" Kadee type couplers has to do with > the relationship of radius of curves and ability of coupler to swing with > radius and not cause derailment of tender or cars. If you are using anything > less than 24" radius you will most likely not be able to "Body mount" any > coupler. In such a case using atruck mounted coupler is necessary. In model > railroading this is of ten called "Talgo" mounted couplers (a missuse of the > term referring to Spain/Portugals invention of the Talgo train swing motion > mounted cars). "Talgo" trucks in toy and model trains have the coupler mounted > to the truck, just like all toy trains and AF has done with link and knuckle > trucks. To get good performance from a Kadee style coupler you will have to > truck mount the coupler, to allow for enough swing and reliable operation. > This is most critical on longer cars (tenders). > > I don't have a AM 4-8-4, and would have to see one with both style tenders to > be precise about how to mount a Kadee style coupler. It may be possible to use > existing AF coupler arm and modify it. However generally... a fairly thin > (1/32" thick) flat stock about 1/2 " or so wide(K&S readily available > anywhere) cut and drilled to fit over mounting hole of truck and length to > just clear end of tender might be a solution. You will need a coupler height > gauge and do some measuring/drilling/tapping. You will also have to be sure > that this flat stock swings with truck turning movement. Be sure your "glad > hand" of coupler clears top of track by 1/16". and that coupler and flat stock > are centered on truck. And of course, be sure you have free movement under > tender floor. > > By the way using AF radius curves also requires that all your cars also have > "Talgo" mounted couplers for operation, regardless whether they are AF style > or Kadee style. In HO Talgo trucks sometimes cause derailments when backing > up, as they try to "twist" especially in curves and switches. Does not seem to > be a problem with AF and AF style couplers. > > Hope this is helpfull, Peter Loeb Response from RI: "Hi Peter, and yes that is useful information, and thanks. Since you have not seen the AF Northern version by AM, there is a little hitch in replacing the AF Comp. coupler with a more scale-like type. The end of the Talgo, or bar or whatever one wishes to call it, has two 90-degree bends to accommodate the thickness of the AF coupler, to bring it to the correct height to match with other AF coupler cars. The end part of that Talgo mount is very short and has a rather large, tapped screw hole for the AF coupler screw. This existing hole is too big for the screws of a Kadee coupler box, and is in the wrong place anyway. The whole bar is held on by two Phillips head screws into the rear of the trailing truck. Consequently, there are two issues (at least) in attaching a Kadee, et al: one is in getting the height correct, because just attaching (somehow) the new coupler in the place of the AF would almost certainly make it the wrong height. True, it could somehow be shimmed to fit I suppose. Second, determining how far the coupler should extend past the end of the tender would be a challenge for me at least. I have nothing but praise for Ron in developing this model." " ......."Roy Inman sitting here pondering the Northern on a balmy spring day in Lenexa. 2nd message: to Roy Inman and others?: If you have time and inclanation send me some pics of underside and AF coupler bar mtg. and of bar itself...maybe I can help you figure it out. The front of Kadee coupler draft gear box should probably "clear" end sill of tender by 1/32" at the point of most extreme swing left and right (possibly steps limiting swing). If there are mounting screws for an AF style coupler bar on truck, this can be used as a pattern to make a new sheetmetal coupler swing arm for the Kadee style coupler, the first try could be bent up, down or both to clear truck and underbody of tender...trial and error. Once you got it down then make a final one out of slightly thicker material , voila there you are.... some more thoughts on adapting a Kadee style coupler to AM 4-8-4 set up for AF operation. Peter Loeb, amongst the giant trees of the PNW [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39818	From: lember2004	Date: 4/1/2006
Subject: Re: Answers to ? about aluminum 663 appearance

Dale, Thanks for the question. Each responder had a techique and polish that had worked for him. I concluded that just about any polish you would use on the rest of the car would work on the tail. Specific suggestions were: an all- purpose polish called Noxon, applied w. a rag wheel on a bench grinder; any good aluminum polish applied with a buffing wheel; metal polish from an auto store applied & removed with cotton material; and, aluminum wheel polish such as Mothers or Flitz applied by hand. Mark --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Dale Smith" <dfsmith26@...> wrote: > > Did anyone mention what they used to polish the die cast metal? > > Dale Smith > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "lember2004" <lember2004@...> > To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 11:39 AM > Subject: [S-Trains] Answers to ? about aluminum 663 appearance > > > > Many thanks to the responders to my question about improving the > > appearance of the tail section of an aluminum 663 observation car. All > > were encouraging and suggested that polishing the die-cast tail would > > achieve minimizing the difference in appearance with the main body. > > I'll be be giving it a try! > > Mark > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39819	From: lember2004	Date: 4/1/2006
Subject: Mark replies to "Here we go again... PLEASE READ"

I was off line for 18 hours and was amazed to come back on-line and find the comments that my summary [post 39777] of the responses to my question on aluminum 663 tails had generated! Your indulgance, therefore, for a couple of comments: 1. I almost always try to provide a summary of any responses I get that were sent directly to me. I attempt to summarize the salient points, especially those on which the responders generally agreed, and that are focused on the question I asked. In this case, I asked if the tail appearance can be improved & if so how. As I stated in my summary, the responders said yes and everyone said polishing does the trick [as opposed to painting, etc]. To me, this answers the question. I did not re-state any specific polishes mentioned, because there were as many techniques and brand-names mentioned as there were responders. From this i concluded that most polishing approaches would work. However, if any reader wanted more info than I included in my summary, all they had to do was ask, and I am happy to provide it. Indeed, I see that Dale Smith has asked a question in post 39796 and as soon as I finish this post, I'll respond to his question. 2. Phil, I am completely baffled by your comment about only posting questions to solicut private answers. Whether a response is directed to the whole group or only to the original poster is completely the choice of the responder; i am not aware of any control the original poster has over this. In fact, the group procedures are set up so that the "default" way to respond is direct to the poster. 3. Finally, I find the sharing of info in this group to be exceptional and am always open to ways to make it even better. Mark --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Phil K" <waldootten@...> wrote: > > I thought this was a great question about aluminum 663s and couldn't > wait to see the answers. Apparently, Mark got plenty of responses... > and all were offline. So now the topic is dead? > > S-Trains will cease to be informative and entertaining if we allow it > to evolve into a place where we post only questions to solicit > offline, private answers. So please, send all replies (answers) to the > entire S-Trains group! > > In the past, some members have complained about the number of emails > they're getting each day. That shouldn't be a problem as you have > choices: > > 1) getting every post in a separate email; > > 2) getting one email a day -- a daily digest -- listing all emails > from that day; > > 3) receiving no emails at all and visiting the forum to catch up on > postings. > > Phil K > > *************************************************************** > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "lember2004" <lember2004@> wrote: > > > > Many thanks to the responders to my question about improving the > > appearance of the tail section of an aluminum 663 observation car. > All > > were encouraging and suggested that polishing the die-cast tail > would > > achieve minimizing the difference in appearance with the main body. > > I'll be be giving it a try! > > Mark > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39820	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 4/1/2006
Subject: Sunday Chat, 4/2/2006, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 39821	From: Ironhorse	Date: 4/1/2006
Subject: Re: 3 turnout turnaround

> > >This ferroequinologist made 2 wyes off my mainline. > Roger Hinds > > > >>winchester54947 <winchester54947@...> wrote: >>Any of the AF professors ever built a 'wye' turnaround off the main >>line? >> >> > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39822	From: Charles E. Smith	Date: 4/1/2006
Subject: Re: Here we go again... PLEASE READ

We tried the reply all as the general case and it generated too many unwanted emails. Ted Larson probably remembers that fiasco, within the last year I think. Chuck Smith, On matters of style swim with the current. On matters of substance stand like a rock. Thos. Jefferson (may be paraphrased) ----- Original Message ----- From: "wc johnson" <amtrains42@...> To: "Phil K" <waldootten@...>; <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2006 7:35 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Here we go again... PLEASE READ > Hello Phill and Everyone, > > I think the problem is not so much that people are intentionally replying only to the sender as it is that the way Yahoo! Mail is set up. The default is reply to sender. If one is relativly new to web mail, as I am or just simply in a hurry, it is easy to forget that down arrow next to the reply box. Is there any way for this e-list to get Yahoo! to invert the options? I made that mistake once and had to copy what I wrote into a text editor then back into this mail program with the proper reply selection selected. My conlusion is that it probably happens more by accident than on purpose. > > Bill Johnson > amtrains42 > > Phil K <waldootten@...> wrote: > I thought this was a great question about aluminum 663s and couldn't > wait to see the answers. Apparently, Mark got plenty of responses... > and all were offline. So now the topic is dead? > > S-Trains will cease to be informative and entertaining if we allow it > to evolve into a place where we post only questions to solicit > offline, private answers. So please, send all replies (answers) to the > entire S-Trains group! > > In the past, some members have complained about the number of emails > they're getting each day. That shouldn't be a problem as you have > choices: > > 1) getting every post in a separate email; > > 2) getting one email a day -- a daily digest -- listing all emails > from that day; > > 3) receiving no emails at all and visiting the forum to catch up on > postings. > > Phil K > > *************************************************************** > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "lember2004" wrote: > > > > Many thanks to the responders to my question about improving the > > appearance of the tail section of an aluminum 663 observation car. > All > > were encouraging and suggested that polishing the die-cast tail > would > > achieve minimizing the difference in appearance with the main body. > > I'll be be giving it a try! > > Mark > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC and save big. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39823	From: David Dewey	Date: 4/1/2006
Subject: Polishing Pass Car Tails & Chat Content

I don't know, but I think the streamline tails were originally flash plated, however, they can look pretty good when Highly polished. AFAIK, this cannot be done easily by hand. I use a cotton polishing wheel on a pedestal grinder--not the best set up, but I don't have a polishing head. I start with a spiral sewn buff and aluminum polishing stick, and finsh with a loose "color" wheel and red rouge. It takes practice, and the tail has many corners that the buff will try to catch and fling it out of your hands. Be careful! The Flyer Chat can look like a bunch of private conversations to a newbie--partly because it sometimes is! But that's because chat is (for some reason) a small bunch of us, and we pretty much now know each other--even though some of us have never met! A lot of us have met too, thanks to Flyer Fest West and other great meetings. However, all you have to do is ask a Flyer question, and we will interupt our converstaions and try and help out (we might kid you a bit about asking a train question first, but that's just us kidding ourselves that we have somehow again, drifted off to a discussion about vintage autos, or Funnel Cakes (THE snack of the YORK train meet)--so hang in there, and we will glady chat about trains! S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39824	From: beebear	Date: 4/1/2006
Subject: Pictures and movies

Anyone interested in some pictures and movies from the Cincinnati Museum Union Terminal? They have a HUGE S gauge layout inside and a HUGE switch yard outside. I got some pictures and a couple short movies of them unloading semi trailers out in the switch yard. I almost got in trouble while I was watching because it was in the parking lot of the local bus repair terminal. The guard was a nice guy and just gave me a warning to visit the main office the next time I visited. Just so they know WHY I'm out there. I'll try to get them uploaded soon John [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39825	From: Roy Inman	Date: 4/1/2006
Subject: Re: AM 4-8-4 AF coupler version... converting to Kadee style coup

Hi Peter; I will make some photos of what you suggest tomorrow. I blush to confess that I do not have a coupler height gauge. I realize this is a major oversight for one who is just starting to convert from Flyer compatible couplers to more scale-like ones. I am ordering a couple of gauges from the NASG Monday. And many thanks for your help :) Roy Inman ww.unionstationphotos.com > From: Trains <rr4u@...> > Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2006 16:19:25 -0800 > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] AM 4-8-4 AF coupler version... converting to Kadee style > couplers > > > 2nd message: > to Roy Inman and others?: > If you have time and inclanation send me some pics of underside and AF > coupler bar mtg. and of bar itself...maybe I can help you figure it out. > The front of Kadee coupler draft gear box should probably "clear" end sill > of tender by 1/32" at the point of most extreme swing left and right > (possibly steps limiting swing). If there are mounting screws for an AF > style coupler bar on truck, this can be used as a pattern to make a new > sheetmetal coupler swing arm for the Kadee style coupler, the first try > could be bent up, down or both to clear truck and underbody of > tender...trial and error. Once you got it down then make a final one out of > slightly thicker material , voila there you are.... some more thoughts on > adapting a Kadee style coupler to AM 4-8-4 set up for AF operation. > > Peter Loeb, amongst the giant trees of the PNW

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39826	From: Roy Inman	Date: 4/1/2006
Subject: Re: Pictures and movies

I for one would love to see any photos of the Cincy museum. Have always wanted to visit to see for myself. If there has been a major story in one of the train magazines with lots of good photos, I have not seen it. Cheers :) Roy Inman www.unionstationphotos.com > From: beebear <beebear@...> > Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2006 22:53:33 -0500 > To: S-group <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [S-Trains] Pictures and movies > > Anyone interested in some pictures and movies from the Cincinnati Museum Union > Terminal? > They have a HUGE S gauge layout inside and a HUGE switch yard outside. I got > some pictures and a couple short movies of them unloading semi trailers out in > the switch yard. > > I almost got in trouble while I was watching because it was in the parking lot > of the local bus > repair terminal. The guard was a nice guy and just gave me a warning to visit > the main office > the next time I visited. Just so they know WHY I'm out there. > > I'll try to get them uploaded soon > > John > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39827	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 4/2/2006
Subject: Re: Pictures and movies

Paul York did a video of the museum on his way to the NASG convention about 4 years ago. He showed it to us at the convention. Perhaps Steve of S & S could turn it into a for sale video Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roy Inman" <rinphoto@...> To: "beebear" <beebear@...>; "S-group" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2006 12:12 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Pictures and movies > I for one would love to see any photos of the Cincy museum. Have always > wanted to visit to see for myself. If there has been a major story in one of > the train magazines with lots of good photos, I have not seen it. > Cheers :) > Roy Inman > www.unionstationphotos.com > > > From: beebear <beebear@...> > > Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2006 22:53:33 -0500 > > To: S-group <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: [S-Trains] Pictures and movies > > > > Anyone interested in some pictures and movies from the Cincinnati Museum Union > > Terminal? > > They have a HUGE S gauge layout inside and a HUGE switch yard outside. I got > > some pictures and a couple short movies of them unloading semi trailers out in > > the switch yard. > > > > I almost got in trouble while I was watching because it was in the parking lot > > of the local bus > > repair terminal. The guard was a nice guy and just gave me a warning to visit > > the main office > > the next time I visited. Just so they know WHY I'm out there. > > > > I'll try to get them uploaded soon > > > > John > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39828	From: Scott Holm	Date: 4/2/2006
Subject: Re: replying to list options

This list was set up as reply to sender because that's the way list owner Paul Yorke wanted it. It has always been this way and In the five years plus that I've been a member the "reply to all members" was never tried. To get the option changed, Paul would have to agree to it and I don't think he'll be very receptive to the idea. "Charles E. Smith" <cesmith@...> wrote: We tried the reply all as the general case and it generated too many unwanted emails. Ted Larson probably remembers that fiasco, within the last year I think. Chuck Smith, On matters of style swim with the current. On matters of substance stand like a rock. Thos. Jefferson (may be paraphrased) ----- Original Message ----- From: "wc johnson" To: "Phil K" ; Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2006 7:35 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Here we go again... PLEASE READ > Hello Phill and Everyone, > > I think the problem is not so much that people are intentionally replying only to the sender as it is that the way Yahoo! Mail is set up. The default is reply to sender. If one is relativly new to web mail, as I am or just simply in a hurry, it is easy to forget that down arrow next to the reply box. Is there any way for this e-list to get Yahoo! to invert the options? I made that mistake once and had to copy what I wrote into a text editor then back into this mail program with the proper reply selection selected. My conlusion is that it probably happens more by accident than on purpose. > > Bill Johnson > amtrains42 > > Phil K wrote: > I thought this was a great question about aluminum 663s and couldn't > wait to see the answers. Apparently, Mark got plenty of responses... > and all were offline. So now the topic is dead? > > S-Trains will cease to be informative and entertaining if we allow it > to evolve into a place where we post only questions to solicit > offline, private answers. So please, send all replies (answers) to the > entire S-Trains group! > > In the past, some members have complained about the number of emails > they're getting each day. That shouldn't be a problem as you have > choices: > > 1) getting every post in a separate email; > > 2) getting one email a day -- a daily digest -- listing all emails > from that day; > > 3) receiving no emails at all and visiting the forum to catch up on > postings. > > Phil K > > *************************************************************** > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "lember2004" wrote: > > > > Many thanks to the responders to my question about improving the > > appearance of the tail section of an aluminum 663 observation car. > All > > were encouraging and suggested that polishing the die-cast tail > would > > achieve minimizing the difference in appearance with the main body. > > I'll be be giving it a try! > > Mark > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC and save big. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger’s low PC-to-Phone call rates. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39829	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 4/2/2006
Subject: LIONEL HAS SOLD KLINE TO MTH

Does mean mth is now into "S" ?..... guess hes going to dump the stuff at York...... Bob Mike Wolf, CEO of MTH Electric Trains Inc., has agreed to acquire the trademark, designs and inventory of K-Line Electric Trains from Lionel LLC. Lionel recently negotiated the purchase of K-Line when the North Carolina firm declared bankruptcy after losing an intellectual-property lawsuit filed Against it by Lionel. MTH in turn has agreed to accept K-Line as partial fulfillment of a $40 million judgment against Lionel that was awarded to MTH By a Detroit court. http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/toytrains/photos/browse/9621 The initial shipment of K-Line merchandise is seen here near Fredericksburg, Virginia en route northbound to the Washington, DC beltway. When the acquisition was approved, MTH furnished temperature-controlled vans to be loaded with K-Line product. Lionel employees were responsible for Transporting the containers from Chapel Hill, NC to Columbia, MD. This van is believed to be loaded with Super Streets, K-Line's popular line of 1/48 electric highway vehicles that operate on recessed 1.25" gauge roadways in plastic simulated pavement. Hobby analysts predicted the merchandise would be sold at attractive street prices in south central Pennsylvania during the Week of April 17-21.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39830	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 4/2/2006
Subject: Re: replying to list options

I used "reply all" and it is doing just that Thank you Larry Jackman ljack70117@... On Apr 2, 2006, at 10:54 AM, Scott Holm wrote: > This list was set up as reply to sender because that's the way list > owner Paul Yorke wanted it. It has always been this way and In the > five years plus that I've been a member the "reply to all members" > was never tried. To get the option changed, Paul would have to > agree to it and I don't think he'll be very receptive to the idea. > > > "Charles E. Smith" <cesmith@...> wrote: > We tried the reply all as the general case and it generated too many > unwanted emails. Ted Larson probably remembers that fiasco, within > the last > year I think. > Chuck Smith, > On matters of style swim with the current. > On matters of substance stand like a rock. > Thos. Jefferson (may be paraphrased) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "wc johnson" > To: "Phil K" ; > Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2006 7:35 PM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Here we go again... PLEASE READ > > >> Hello Phill and Everyone, >> >> I think the problem is not so much that people are intentionally > replying only to the sender as it is that the way Yahoo! Mail is > set up. > The default is reply to sender. If one is relativly new to web > mail, as I > am or just simply in a hurry, it is easy to forget that down arrow > next to > the reply box. Is there any way for this e-list to get Yahoo! to > invert the > options? I made that mistake once and had to copy what I wrote into > a text > editor then back into this mail program with the proper reply > selection > selected. My conlusion is that it probably happens more by accident > than on > purpose. >> >> Bill Johnson >> amtrains42 >> >> Phil K wrote: >> I thought this was a great question about aluminum 663s and couldn't >> wait to see the answers. Apparently, Mark got plenty of responses... >> and all were offline. So now the topic is dead? >> >> S-Trains will cease to be informative and entertaining if we allow it >> to evolve into a place where we post only questions to solicit >> offline, private answers. So please, send all replies (answers) to >> the >> entire S-Trains group! >> >> In the past, some members have complained about the number of emails >> they're getting each day. That shouldn't be a problem as you have >> choices: >> >> 1) getting every post in a separate email; >> >> 2) getting one email a day -- a daily digest -- listing all emails >> from that day; >> >> 3) receiving no emails at all and visiting the forum to catch up on >> postings. >> >> Phil K >> >> *************************************************************** >> >> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "lember2004" wrote: >>> >>> Many thanks to the responders to my question about improving the >>> appearance of the tail section of an aluminum 663 observation car. >> All >>> were encouraging and suggested that polishing the die-cast tail >> would >>> achieve minimizing the difference in appearance with the main body. >>> I'll be be giving it a try! >>> Mark >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com >> All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! >> >> Enjoy thousands of great photos >> at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail >> Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> --------------------------------- >> New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC >> and save > big. >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> >> >> >> >> >> S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com >> All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! >> >> Enjoy thousands of great photos >> at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail >> Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger’s low PC-to-Phone > call rates. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39831	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 4/2/2006
Subject: Re: replying to list options

This is a "reply" and just going to sender. I put s trains in to the address so the list could see it also. Thank you Larry Jackman ljack70117@... On Apr 2, 2006, at 10:54 AM, Scott Holm wrote: > This list was set up as reply to sender because that's the way list > owner Paul Yorke wanted it. It has always been this way and In the > five years plus that I've been a member the "reply to all members" > was never tried. To get the option changed, Paul would have to > agree to it and I don't think he'll be very receptive to the idea. > > > "Charles E. Smith" <cesmith@...> wrote: > We tried the reply all as the general case and it generated too many > unwanted emails. Ted Larson probably remembers that fiasco, within > the last > year I think. > Chuck Smith, > On matters of style swim with the current. > On matters of substance stand like a rock. > Thos. Jefferson (may be paraphrased) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "wc johnson" > To: "Phil K" ; > Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2006 7:35 PM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Here we go again... PLEASE READ > > >> Hello Phill and Everyone, >> >> I think the problem is not so much that people are intentionally > replying only to the sender as it is that the way Yahoo! Mail is > set up. > The default is reply to sender. If one is relativly new to web > mail, as I > am or just simply in a hurry, it is easy to forget that down arrow > next to > the reply box. Is there any way for this e-list to get Yahoo! to > invert the > options? I made that mistake once and had to copy what I wrote into > a text > editor then back into this mail program with the proper reply > selection > selected. My conlusion is that it probably happens more by accident > than on > purpose. >> >> Bill Johnson >> amtrains42 >> >> Phil K wrote: >> I thought this was a great question about aluminum 663s and couldn't >> wait to see the answers. Apparently, Mark got plenty of responses... >> and all were offline. So now the topic is dead? >> >> S-Trains will cease to be informative and entertaining if we allow it >> to evolve into a place where we post only questions to solicit >> offline, private answers. So please, send all replies (answers) to >> the >> entire S-Trains group! >> >> In the past, some members have complained about the number of emails >> they're getting each day. That shouldn't be a problem as you have >> choices: >> >> 1) getting every post in a separate email; >> >> 2) getting one email a day -- a daily digest -- listing all emails >> from that day; >> >> 3) receiving no emails at all and visiting the forum to catch up on >> postings. >> >> Phil K >> >> *************************************************************** >> >> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "lember2004" wrote: >>> >>> Many thanks to the responders to my question about improving the >>> appearance of the tail section of an aluminum 663 observation car. >> All >>> were encouraging and suggested that polishing the die-cast tail >> would >>> achieve minimizing the difference in appearance with the main body. >>> I'll be be giving it a try! >>> Mark >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com >> All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! >> >> Enjoy thousands of great photos >> at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail >> Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> --------------------------------- >> New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC >> and save > big. >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> >> >> >> >> >> S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com >> All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! >> >> Enjoy thousands of great photos >> at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail >> Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger’s low PC-to-Phone > call rates. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39832	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 4/2/2006
Subject: FAQ - Knowledge Repository

For those of you pondering the problems of data retrieval from a YahooGroup List... I agree with those who point out the problems of finding a solution in the list archives. In the past I have suggested the original poster of the question, make an effort to come back, outline some of the better suggested solutions, and report on his/her own experience in solving the problem. But I realize this is pretty unrealistic. One potential solution could be found at http://s-scale.org/faq/ This dynamic software allows one to .... 1) Post a question 2) Poat a question and answer 3) Search for previously posted questions 4) comment on previously posted Q&As 5) See what topics are most popular 6) setup up a RSS to alert you of new topics and all kinds of cool things I don't see this as a replacement for the list, but as a first stop for folks looking for answers. Also a place for folks that have learned some tricks, or techniques that they wish to share. It could also be the place where the newly enlightlened 'original poster' could post his/her newly aquired knowledge. As far as multiple copies of individual notes?? I subscribe to the digest version. Paul Yorke [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39833	From: beebear	Date: 4/2/2006
Subject: Re: replying to list options

If you want everyone to see the message just SEND or REPLY TO S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39834	From: beebear	Date: 4/2/2006
Subject: Re: Pictures and movies

Some of the pictures are up in the Photo section One is labeled Cincinnati Museum and the other is labeled Cincinnati S layout.. The pictures of the S layout do not display the size of the layout. It is one of those things you have to see in person if you get the chance!! Also some of the pictures did not turn out because they had the lights off and the entire layout has a 6 ' Plexiglas wall around it. P.S if you have an AVI viewer I could sent you a 1 minute movie of them unloading the semi trailers. **NOTE ** they are a little over 9 MB in size and I have 4 of them John ----- Original Message ----- From: "beebear" <beebear@...> To: "S-group" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2006 11:53 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Pictures and movies > Anyone interested in some pictures and movies from the Cincinnati Museum > Union Terminal? > They have a HUGE S gauge layout inside and a HUGE switch yard outside. I > got some pictures and a couple short movies of them unloading semi > trailers out in the switch yard. > > I almost got in trouble while I was watching because it was in the parking > lot of the local bus > repair terminal. The guard was a nice guy and just gave me a warning to > visit the main office > the next time I visited. Just so they know WHY I'm out there. > > I'll try to get them uploaded soon > > John > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ Message transport security by GatewayDefender.com 11:07:11 AM ET - 4/2/2006 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39835	From: Rick Evans	Date: 4/2/2006
Subject: Mark replies to "Here we go again... PLEASE READ"

Mark wrote: ***(((( I did not re-state any specific polishes mentioned, because there were as many techniques and brand-names mentioned as there were responders. From this i concluded that most polishing approaches would work. However, if any reader wanted more info than I included in my summary, all they had to do was ask, and I am happy to provide it.))))**** I certainly understand your point here Mark. However, in my five years plus on the list, I have found there to be many lurkers that don't post, but learn from reading the posts. No mater how simple the question and answer may be, I post the answer to the list for all to read and learn from. And of course, I may be wrong or only partially right. Others can chime in with better, or more correct answers, and just add a comment or two. Plus, if the answers are directed to ONLY the original poster, others have no way of knowing if that poster ever got a reply to their answer or not. I'm kinda confused about a couple of things that have been mentioned here. When you hit "reply" it goes to the sender....when you hit "reply all", it goes to the list AND the sender. (with Outlook Express anyway) I usually delete the address and put in S-trains so it goes to the list and the sender doesn't get TWO emails. IMHO.......the S-trains List format works great. Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39836	From: Phil K	Date: 4/2/2006
Subject: Re: replying to list options

I didn't realize that many of us apparently don't visit the main board but use email as their main conduit to S-Trains. I just got into the habit of visiting the main board at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/messages to read messages and reply and post. I send my posts and replies to: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com even thought the default is set to reply only to the original individual poster. I get the Daily Digest sent to my email, but hardly ever read it because I always keep track of what's happening on the board by visiting the S-Trains Messages page several times a day. As one of the moderators, I also come to the main board quite often to check for pending messages and members, as I spend a lot of time on my laptop at home or my PC at the office. I find it much easier to read posts pending approval off the main board than the emails because the emails aren't justified and are loaded with a lot of Internet headers and the like, which can be confusing to tired eyes. Now I understand what you're saying when you hit "Reply All." I didn't realize that communicating with the board could be done with emails. But I haven't changed my mindset about more of us sharing answers and advice with the entire board, when appropriate. When you post using the main board options, you have an opportunity to preview your post before it is sent and edit if necessary. Doing it through email doesn't afford that luxury, and perhaps explains why so many posts contain spelling errors, etc., and wildly unjustified type. Phil K ******************************************************************* --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "beebear" <beebear@...> wrote: > > If you want everyone to see the message just SEND or REPLY TO > > S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39837	From: Phil K	Date: 4/2/2006
Subject: Re: Mark replies to "Here we go again... PLEASE READ"

>--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "lember2004" <lember2004@...> wrote: > 2. Phil, I am completely baffled by your comment about only posting questions to solicut private answers. Whether a response is directed to the whole group or only to the original poster is completely the choice of the responder; i am not aware of any control the original poster has over this. In fact, the group procedures are set up so that the "default" way to respond is direct to the poster. Mark, what I wrote was partially tongue-in-cheek -- "S-Trains will cease to be informative and entertaining if we allow it to evolve into a place where we post only questions to solicit offline, private answers. So please, send all replies (answers) to the entire S-Trains group!" That's exactly what happened with your quiery about the 663s, and as you have read (and I received many off-line emails) from guys like Rick and others, they were anxiously awaiting answers that were not forthcoming, which is very frustrating. Good communication on forums requires salient information go back and forth for all to see, as in the case of the 663 question now that we finally have the answers. As Rick pointed out, those who aren't members but choose to lurk (read only) would only be reading questions and not solutions. I think the ongoing discussion about this may help solve this problem. It's happened here before on other occasions -- that's why I said "Here we go again!" -- and I just wanted to remind everyone to post the answers/solutions for all to see. I don't understand why it would be so difficult for everyone to visit the main message board and use the handy forms there to post and reply to messages. Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39838	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 4/2/2006
Subject: Re: Pictures and movies

In a message dated 04/02/2006 7:09:53 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time, gartrain@... writes: Paul York did a video of the museum on his way to the NASG convention about 4 years ago. He showed it to us at the convention. Perhaps Steve of S & S could turn it into a for sale video It is already in one of our Video volumes. Steve SnS Trains Boise, Idaho [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39839	From: Roy Inman	Date: 4/2/2006
Subject: Re: replying to list options

I am on Outlook Express and if I hit "reply" the message goes only to the sender. If I hit "reply all" the message goes to the original sender and the S-Trains list. Other lists I am on do not work that way. "Buildings and Structures", for example, sends my reply to the entire list no matter if I hit just "reply" or "reply all." Roy Inman www.unionstationphotos.com > From: Scott Holm <imsscott@...> > Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2006 07:54:57 -0700 (PDT) > To: "Charles E. Smith" <cesmith@...>, wc johnson > <amtrains42@...>, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Phil K <waldootten@...> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] replying to list options > > This list was set up as reply to sender because that's the way list owner Paul > Yorke wanted it. It has always been this way and In the five years plus that > I've been a member the "reply to all members" was never tried. To get the > option changed, Paul would have to agree to it and I don't think he'll be very > receptive to the idea. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39840	From: Neil Trump	Date: 4/2/2006
Subject: Re: LIONEL HAS SOLD KLINE TO MTH

Not sure what advantage this has for MTH in the 'O' gauge sector to enhance his product line, but it does give MTH an entry into the 'S' gauge line if this is what he has been seeking. The quality isn't up to MTH's standards though with the freight stock being old Marx tooling. What it could mean though is MTH coming out with the Big Boy in 'S' and probably the Allegheny. Was it worth MTH's while settling for this as part of a settlement with 'L'? I'm not sure. By 'L' negotiating this as part of a settlement tells me that they admit guilt on the stolen plans etc and it will be interesting to see what else they pass over to MTH, perhaps the complete Flyer line? Last I heard, 'L' valued the name at $10M, or I may have been mistaken that it did include all the tooling etc. I'm sure someone here may remember what the value was. Regards, Neil 'T' > Does mean mth is now into "S" ?..... guess hes going to dump the stuff at > York...... Bob > > > Mike Wolf, CEO of MTH Electric Trains Inc., has agreed to acquire the > trademark, designs and inventory of K-Line Electric Trains from Lionel LLC. > Lionel recently negotiated the purchase of K-Line when the North Carolina > firm declared bankruptcy after losing an intellectual-property lawsuit filed > Against it by Lionel. MTH in turn has agreed to accept K-Line as partial > fulfillment of a $40 million judgment against Lionel that was awarded to MTH > By a Detroit court. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39841	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 4/2/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 3013

In a message dated 4/2/2006 2:32:43 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes: Message: 5 Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2006 00:37:23 -0000 From: "flyerbuddy" <rodder@...> Subject: track pins Buddy, I have used "handrail wire" that I purchased from Doug Peck in the past. I just take it in one end, grab a pair of needle nose pliers, gently tap the handrail wire to push the stuck one out far enought to pull the rest of the way with the needle nose pliers. Hope this helps. Carlton [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39842	From: Neil Trump	Date: 4/2/2006
Subject: Re: LIONEL HAS SOLD KLINE TO MTH

Just dawned on me, it was 1st April yesterday, old news filtering through to this group ----- Original Message ----- From: "ROBERT ALLEN CONNER" <rcon7@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2006 3:20 PM Subject: [S-Trains] LIONEL HAS SOLD KLINE TO MTH > Does mean mth is now into "S" ?..... guess hes going to dump the stuff at > York...... Bob > > > Mike Wolf, CEO of MTH Electric Trains Inc., has agreed to acquire the > trademark, designs and inventory of K-Line Electric Trains from Lionel LLC. > Lionel recently negotiated the purchase of K-Line when the North Carolina > firm declared bankruptcy after losing an intellectual-property lawsuit filed > Against it by Lionel. MTH in turn has agreed to accept K-Line as partial > fulfillment of a $40 million judgment against Lionel that was awarded to MTH > By a Detroit court. > > http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/toytrains/photos/browse/9621 > The initial shipment of K-Line merchandise is seen here near Fredericksburg, > Virginia en route northbound to the Washington, DC beltway. When the > acquisition was approved, MTH furnished temperature-controlled vans to be > loaded with K-Line product. Lionel employees were responsible for > Transporting the containers from Chapel Hill, NC to Columbia, MD. This van > is > believed to be loaded with Super Streets, K-Line's popular line of 1/48 > electric highway vehicles that operate on recessed 1.25" gauge roadways in > plastic simulated pavement. Hobby analysts predicted the merchandise would > be sold at attractive street prices in south central Pennsylvania during the > Week of April 17-21. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39843	From: Robert King	Date: 4/2/2006
Subject: Enough Variety In S?

The issue about variety in S comes up from time to time. I think it is more about public perception of S, rather than the reality of S. Many people, especially O gaugers, were unaware of all that Gilbert made. There were actually nine (9) steam locomotives, not including the Casey Jones, Franklin, and Docksider - which including them made 12 (one dozen). The pre- 1960's nine are: Five Pacifics (B&O - Royal Blue, PRR - K5, NYC Hudson, NH 293, CNW 282) One Atlantic (Reading) One Northern (UP 4-8-4) and Nickel Plate Road 0-8-0) and PRR 0-6-0. Lionel's AF Mikado makes the 13th steam loco in the AF line. Then there is the SHS B&O 2-8-0 and American Models made three different Pacifics and a Northern (Santa Fe), which brings the total to eighteen (18) mass produced steam locos, although the PRR 0-6-0 is rare. More than enough variety existed in the American Flyer Line, including extra fantasy trains of Comet, Rocket, Silver Bullet, Silver Flash, Silver Streak, etc. While we always look forward to something new or old that we do not have, that is true of people in other gauges as well. While more needs to be made, and I am sure it will be, we still have a lot and can make up plenty of trains. Although there are those that are looking for particular locos and cars that do not exist is S, so that is a barrier to entry to S for those that are willing to pick any scale. To me the size of S at 1/64 was the most important aspect, and I always knew that more could be found and produced. We have more in S now, than we ever did. Robby

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39844	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 4/2/2006
Subject: Atlantic Coast S Gaugers @ Jax Florida

Here are some pictures from last weekends Jacksonville Train Show. http://s-scale.org/albums/v/orgs/acsg/Jax_03_06/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39845	From: Roy Inman	Date: 4/2/2006
Subject: AM ATSF Northern tender coupler

Just FYI, for anyone interested, I have uploaded a few photos showing close-ups of the AF compatible coupler and the (Talgo?) mounting bar. Any suggestions as to how best to convert to a more scale-like coupler greatly appreciated :) Roy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39846	From: wc johnson	Date: 4/2/2006
Subject: Cincinnati In Motion pictures

Hello Everyone Did I miss something? I did not see the URL where the pictures that beebear posted are located. My intent is not to upstage beebear but, I thought some folks might enjoy the exhibit from the perspective of one who grew up near there at the end of the time period that is displayed by this exhibit. I grew up in Northern Kentucky across the Ohio River from Cincinnati When I went back to visit family in October 2003, I managed to take a few hours out to see Cincinnati In Motion This exhibit just flooded my mind with memories of my youth. I took pictures and put my thoughts in a few web pages. To see the pictures that I took click on http://trains.vpshome.com . Click the picture captioned Permanent Exhibits. Bill Johnson amtrains42 --------------------------------- New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC and save big. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39847	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 4/2/2006
Subject: Re: The Track Question - same in S as in O

A similar situation exists in S as it does in O. The various O manufacturers each have their own "Brand" of track. n O I was faced with Regular Lionel O, the Fastrack, in K Line regular O amd their blackened centrer rail, MTH had theirs and Atlas has theirs and none are interchangeable unless you get a conversion or adapter track section, now in S I find the same thing, why not a uniform S Gauge track (Old Flyer, Strax, American Model, Classic S, and Gargraves track, my main thought is that I would give anything to have a S gauge turnout or switch that works all the time. What are your thoughts and just what track are S gaugers using these days? Jerry Matsick

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39848	From: Roy Inman	Date: 4/2/2006
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] AM ATSF Northern tender coupler PS:

PS: Photos under "Roy's Train Photos" in S-Scale Yahoo groups. Roy I ---------- > From: Roy Inman <rinphoto@...> > Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2006 16:36:03 -0500 > To: S-Scale <S-Scale@yahoogroups.com>, S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [S-Trains] AM ATSF Northern tender coupler > > Just FYI, for anyone interested, I have uploaded a few photos showing > close-ups of the AF compatible coupler and the (Talgo?) mounting bar. Any > suggestions as to how best to convert to a more scale-like coupler greatly > appreciated :) > Roy > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39849	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 4/2/2006
Subject: Sunday Chat, 4/2/2006, 8:00 pm

Reminder from the Calendar of S-Trains Sunday Chat Sunday April 2, 2006 8:00 pm - 11:00 pm This event repeats every week. Event Location: http://s-scale.org/forum/ Street: http://s-scale.org/forum/ Notes: http://s-scale.org/forum/ ADVERTISEMENT Copyright ©  2006  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved. Privacy Policy - Terms of Service

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39850	From: Roy Inman	Date: 4/2/2006
Subject: Des Plains web site not working?

Hi all; I have tried the hot buttons on the Des Plains web site, but no work. Is it just me and my Mac or is there a problem with the site? Anyone else have difficulties logging on? Roy Inman ww.unionstationphotos.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39851	From: Roy Inman	Date: 4/2/2006
Subject: Re: The Track Question - same in S as in O

Jerry, we are using American Models flex track on the Kansas City S Gaugers modular S layout. Turnouts are by AM as well, and required some modification to make them work with scale wheels in addition to the several types of hirail wheels. I was not directly involved in making the mods, so I can't speak to exactly how this was accomplished. One more or less minor irritation with the AM turnouts (besides the necessary mods) is that the straight or through track section of the turnout is actually curved slightly. I suppose a typical visitor would not even notice it, and the trains don't seem to mind. But it looks kinda weird. Although I have not seen any of the Classic American S Gauge track up closed and personal, if they ever EVER get their turnouts produced, that might be a viable option for all but the picky scale folks (and I sincerely mean that in the best sense, as in "discriminating"). Then there is Tom's Turnouts which are supposed to be able to handle hirail and scale alike, but I seem to recall reading that they also required at least some modification to work with with both. Tom can tell us better. Since we laid the AM track we have had no operational problems, at least not when I was around. When I finally get 'round to building my layout with the scratch KCS concrete arch bridge and the scale Manhattan, KS UP depot that Fred Loosbrock has been building for me lo these past two years, I hope to be able to use the American S Gauge track and their turnouts. I will tell you that when interested bystanders approach our group at a train show and inquire about building a layout, where to get product, etc., their eyes start to glaze over when we begin to relate to them the various options as far as scale wheels and couplers, hirail wheels and couplers, track options, turnout problems, etc., etc. It would seem to me that the various S manufacturers should somehow, someway get together and come up with a standard for turnouts at least. IMHO, an industry standard would go a long way towards promoting the gauge/scale. But I suppose I will be able to fly to the moon without a rocket before THAT happens... Cheers :) Roy Inman Looking right now at three different wheel sets and coupler styles on my various pieces of S equipment here in beautiful Lenexa, spinach capital of the world. www.unionstationphotos.com > From: Jerry Matsick <jpmatsick@...> > Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2006 21:37:49 +0000 > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] re: The Track Question - same in S as in O > > A similar situation exists in S as it does in O. The various O > manufacturers each have their own "Brand" of track. > n O I was faced with Regular Lionel O, the Fastrack, in K Line regular > O amd their blackened centrer rail, MTH had theirs and Atlas has > theirs and none are interchangeable unless you get a conversion or > adapter track section, now in S I find the same thing, why not a > uniform S Gauge track (Old Flyer, Strax, American Model, Classic S, > and Gargraves track, my main thought is that I would give anything to > have a S gauge turnout or switch that works all the time. > > What are your thoughts and just what track are S gaugers using these > days? > > Jerry Matsick

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39852	From: rkuepper	Date: 4/2/2006
Subject: Re: Atlantic Coast S Gaugers @ Jax Florida

Looks like a very successful show, Paul - KIDS!! Thanks for sharing. Dick -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Paul Yorke Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2006 5:06 PM To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Atlantic Coast S Gaugers @ Jax Florida Here are some pictures from last weekends Jacksonville Train Show. http://s-scale.org/albums/v/orgs/acsg/Jax_03_06/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39853	From: Gary Chudzinski	Date: 4/2/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 3013 SEND or Reply TO

beebear writes: > Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2006 11:09:15 -0400 > From: "beebear" <beebear@...> > Subject: Re: replying to list options > > If you want everyone to see the message just SEND or REPLY TO > > S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] With my ISP, you have to highlight and copy the text to the SEND function before actually sending. Then the TO: and SUBJECT: lines need to be entered. Clicking on REPLY copies all of the text to the SEND function automatically without having to make TO and SUBJECT: entries. In either case, I then have to click on SEND to send the message. One thing that would help shorten the messages is to edit out all the reams of excess, extraneous text that trails the message by highlighting that text and deleting it before hitting SEND. Very simple to do! This would shorten up all text whether sending messages in individual or digest modes Gary Chudzinski

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39854	From: ken garber	Date: 4/2/2006
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Des Plains web site not working?

No problems - got right through. ken On 4/2/06, Roy Inman <rinphoto@...> wrote: > > Hi all; > I have tried the hot buttons on the Des Plains web site, but no work. Is > it > just me and my Mac or is there a problem with the site? Anyone else have > difficulties logging on? > Roy Inman > ww.unionstationphotos.com > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39855	From: Furmanak, Stan	Date: 4/2/2006
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Des Plains web site not working?

Roy- I had the same problem with the DPH website when using MS Explorer on my iMac. Seems to be a javascript problem. However, using either Firefox or Safari, I have no problems. I stopped using Explorer a year or more ago & MS has no plans to issue an upgrade/new version of Explorer anyhow. Stan -----Original Message----- From: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Roy Inman Sent: Sun 4/2/2006 7:58 PM To: S-Scale; S-trains Subject: {S-Scale List} Des Plains web site not working? Hi all; I have tried the hot buttons on the Des Plains web site, but no work. Is it just me and my Mac or is there a problem with the site? Anyone else have difficulties logging on? Roy Inman ww.unionstationphotos.com Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39856	From: race944t	Date: 4/2/2006
Subject: To post or respond directly . . .

I can tell you why I usually respond individually rather than a post. I get home at night and read my e-mail and it is just much easier to click on the sender's e-mail in the daily digest and respond than it is to cut and paste and post to the group. I do see your point about not sharing information with others so I will change my lazy ways and post. I also sympathize with the person who withdrew from the group because of some unsportsmanship conduct. I found myself involved in one of those instances regarding the definition of "junk" about a year ago. I finally decided some people will just argue with anything and there are valid differences of opinion and just let it drop. I also decided after that to limit my posts to factual data and respond directly if I felt I had something to contribute. Oh, and my thanks to George for just happening to mention the Jaguar group. There must be something about "S" gauge trains and Jags. George, check your e-mail. My yellow '71 E needs some help. Bill Clark (Banker Bill not the other Bill Clark) > Message: 5 > Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 20:03:55 -0000 > From: "Phil K" <waldootten@...> > Subject: Here we go again... PLEASE READ > > I thought this was a great question about aluminum 663s and couldn't > wait to see the answers. Apparently, Mark got plenty of responses... > and all were offline. So now the topic is dead? > > S-Trains will cease to be informative and entertaining if we allow it > to evolve into a place where we post only questions to solicit > offline, private answers. So please, send all replies (answers) to the > entire S-Trains group! > > In the past, some members have complained about the number of emails > they're getting each day. That shouldn't be a problem as you have > choices: > > 1) getting every post in a separate email; > > 2) getting one email a day -- a daily digest -- listing all emails > from that day; > > 3) receiving no emails at all and visiting the forum to catch up on > postings. > > Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39857	From: beebear	Date: 4/2/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 3013 SEND or Reply TO

Hi Gary I have been trying to tell people this for years. I get tired of wadding thru all of the previous address that are at the top of emails people send me. One time an email that my sister forwarded to me had 125 different email addresses at the top of the 4 line message. Stuff like that is how people pick out your address and put you on a mailing list. I always use the Blind Carbon Copy - BCC BUT I found out that people on these Yahoo groups don't like it when you use the BCC. I got yelled at 2 times about it. John With my ISP, you have to highlight and copy the text to the SEND function before actually sending. Then the TO: and SUBJECT: lines need to be entered. Clicking on REPLY copies all of the text to the SEND function automatically without having to make TO and SUBJECT: entries. In either case, I then have to click on SEND to send the message. One thing that would help shorten the messages is to edit out all the reams of excess, extraneous text that trails the message by highlighting that text and deleting it before hitting SEND. Very simple to do! This would shorten up all text whether sending messages in individual or digest modes Gary Chudzinski [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39858	From: David Dewey	Date: 4/3/2006
Subject: Travel Expense to York

Just to put this in prerspective: GAS in Oroville, CA--REGULAR toady, $2.799 a gallon. Fillup of my toyota compact pickup, almost $40. $3.00 by summer, heck at this rate we'll see it in a few weeks. S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39859	From: Russ Dondero	Date: 4/3/2006
Subject: SHS Consolidation & AM Northern

Hi there S Fans: I enjoy reading the Yahoo s trains group site for information and assessments of S Gauge rolling stock. Here's my 2 cents worth on my two most recent acquisitions. I've got both the new hi-rail SHS 2-8-0 Consolidation and the AM Northern. I run them on my old AF tracks which are in the old AF ballast track holders. I have no problems with either engine negotiating my layout which has an outside lop with 29" curves and two connecting loops with 25"curves. Both engines run very well and look great. My only problem is that with old AF rail the electrial power varies around the inner loop with 19" curves which I run the Consolidated on hence causing the engine whistle on the 2-8-0 to very in strength or cut out at times - but that's not it's fault. The AM Northern whistle is fantastic and consistent on the outside loop. My layout is on an 8 x 11 U shaped table built for it. I run both engines with old AF transformers the 18B & 8B with the locomatic and also a Tech II and the small black AF transformer. On the AM Northern the connection between the tender and loco tends to get loose, but Ron told me how to correct that which I did, plus I taped it with scotch tape. So, I'm very pleased with both of my newest steam engines. I can also say that Don and Robin at SHS are great to work with when any problems have come up with any of my SHS engines and Ron at AM is equally customer friendly. I think we S-Gaugers are lucky to have these folks producing such good products. Reading all the complaints about the Flyonel Consolidation last year - I'm glad I didn't buy one - though it sounds like things have gotten better for folks on that front. It's nice to see Floynel making a larger batch of running stock each year. I really want to buy those UP heavyweights. But I'll stick with my AM Northern which is far better on my system than the old Flyer Northern which I've borrowed from a friend. I look forward to reading about how the Flyonel Northern looks and works when they come out. Russ in Oregon __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39860	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 4/3/2006
Subject: Re: SHS Consolidation & AM Northern and FLYONEL MIKADO

Russ Good comments, I purchased a Lionel Mikado and have had not one problem with the engine, running in TMCC, along with Locomatic same track no problem, and it makes an S gauger pround to have all three of these fine engines running on the layout at the same time. Rating the sound system, the Mikado overall is ahead of the game. Now on the shelf I have just about every old Gilbert engine, no sound and sticky E units, I am thankful for my new engines, and for my CONVERTED to cam and locomatic sound are my Flyer Northern and K5, and they look and run as great as my new engines. Gilbert engines are a great memory, but it is today. Jerry Matsick, Russ Dondero <russtrainmax@...> wrote: Hi there S Fans: I enjoy reading the Yahoo s trains group site for information and assessments of S Gauge rolling stock. Here's my 2 cents worth on my two most recent acquisitions. I've got both the new hi-rail SHS 2-8-0 Consolidation and the AM Northern. I run them on my old AF tracks which are in the old AF ballast track holders. I have no problems with either engine negotiating my layout which has an outside lop with 29" curves and two connecting loops with 25"curves. Both engines run very well and look great. My only problem is that with old AF rail the electrial power varies around the inner loop with 19" curves which I run the Consolidated on hence causing the engine whistle on the 2-8-0 to very in strength or cut out at times - but that's not it's fault. The AM Northern whistle is fantastic and consistent on the outside loop. My layout is on an 8 x 11 U shaped table built for it. I run both engines with old AF transformers the 18B & 8B with the locomatic and also a Tech II and the small black AF transformer. On the AM Northern the connection between the tender and loco tends to get loose, but Ron told me how to correct that which I did, plus I taped it with scotch tape. So, I'm very pleased with both of my newest steam engines. I can also say that Don and Robin at SHS are great to work with when any problems have come up with any of my SHS engines and Ron at AM is equally customer friendly. I think we S-Gaugers are lucky to have these folks producing such good products. Reading all the complaints about the Flyonel Consolidation last year - I'm glad I didn't buy one - though it sounds like things have gotten better for folks on that front. It's nice to see Floynel making a larger batch of running stock each year. I really want to buy those UP heavyweights. But I'll stick with my AM Northern which is far better on my system than the old Flyer Northern which I've borrowed from a friend. I look forward to reading about how the Flyonel Northern looks and works when they come out. Russ in Oregon __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links Jerry Matsick RESPOND TO Mtoytrain@... Jacksonville, Florida TCA 04-57715 NASG --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously low rates. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39861	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 4/3/2006
Subject: Re: The Track Question - same in S as in O

The anwer is "yes", Jerry! ;-) I've gone round and round of what track to use on future layout(s). And I mean ALL around... Quality of track (track = track itself, switches, etc...) Look of track Special sections / types of sections offered for the track system and on and on and on... My preferences are my own. From looking at layout pics, it seems a mix-n-match approach is not a unique technique out there. I think track selection varies based on the type of layout being built - shape, physical construction decisions (temp, perm, modular, etc), operation goals, etc... In the end, the answer is "yes"... people use all of the track options which are available... ;-) Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39862	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 4/3/2006
Subject: Re: LIONEL HAS SOLD KLINE TO MTH

I think April Fools got to you guys. This is has not happened according to the horse's mouth. Harwood [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39863	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 4/3/2006
Subject: Re: track pins

piano wire used to be available at most hobby shops for u control and other model plane uses...... at the last plane show. i saw many bundles of it in small sizes...... would work for handrails too...... bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "flyerbuddy" <rodder@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2006 8:37 PM Subject: [S-Trains] track pins > > I am looking for advice to drive track pins back out after they > have been pushed in too far. I found the large paper clips fit nicely > but could not connect two together. I tried soldering,melting and > superglue. Someone suggested piano wire but where would you get that. I > know a music store. But they are few and far between where we live. > Anyone know of anything else that might work? > > Buddy > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39864	From: Mark Preman	Date: 4/3/2006
Subject: American Flyer Trains for Sale

Brand new list on the website! Click here; http://www.americanflyertrains.com Then, click the heading "FOR SALE". Click on the other headings too!!!!! Mark Mark B. Preman AmericanFlyerTrains.com --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously low rates. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39865	From: N Becker	Date: 4/3/2006
Subject: SHS Consolidation & AM Northern

Care to share what did Ron tell you to correct the plug problem? Back to this list should let everybody know the fixes..... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2006 23:32:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Russ Dondero <russtrainmax@...> Subject: SHS Consolidation & AM Northern Hi there S Fans: I enjoy reading the Yahoo s trains group site for Information and assessments of S Gauge rolling stock. Here's my 2 cents worth on my two most recent acquisitions. I've got both the new hi-rail SHS 2-8-0 Consolidation and the AM Northern. I run them on my Old AF tracks which are in the old AF ballast track holders. I have no problems with either engine negotiating my layout which has an outside lop with 29" curves and two connecting loops with 25"curves. Both engines run very well and look great. My only problem is that with old AF rail the electrial power varies around the inner loop with 19" curves which I run the Consolidated on hence causing the engine whistle on the 2-8-0 to very in strength or cut out at times - but that's not it's fault. The AM Northern whistle is fantastic and consistent on the outside loop. My layout is on an 8 x 11 U shaped table built for it. I run both engines with old AF transformers the 18B & 8B with the locomatic and also a Tech II and the small black AF transformer. On the AM Northern the connection between the tender and loco tends to get loose, but Ron told me how to correct that which I did, plus I taped it with scotch tape. So, I'm very pleased with both of my newest steam engines. I can also say that Don and Robin at SHS are great to work with when any problems have come up with any of my SHS engines and Ron at AM is equally customer friendly. I think we S-Gaugers are lucky to have these folks producing such good products. Reading all the complaints about the Flyonel Consolidation last year - I'm glad I didn't buy one - though it sounds like things have gotten better for folks on that front. It's nice to see Floynel making a larger batch of running stock each year. I really want to buy those UP heavyweights. But I'll stick with my AM Northern which is far better on my system than the old Flyer Northern which I've borrowed from a friend. I look forward to reading about how the Flyonel Northern looks and works when they come out. Russ in Oregon [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39866	From: clifma19	Date: 4/3/2006
Subject: Track for sale

A friend has track for sale. He is not a member of the list. Cliff Manning 3 cases of S Helper Service Nickel Silver Flex track, 24 pcs per case. All is new in the box. List is $179.99 per case. Sell for $135. per case Tom Kayser, Home - 585-248-5418 Office - 585-381-3506 tkayser@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39867	From: Roy Inman	Date: 4/3/2006
Subject: Re: SHS Consolidation & AM Northern II

Russ, et al; Yes, it would be helpful for us AM Northern owners to learn of the fix for the tender/loco connection that Ron suggested. And just FYI, Russ, the Flyonel was/is a Mikado, not a Consolidation. Picky, picky :) And BTW, my UP Mikado runs like a top. Very well made and looks great too! It does work best, however, when I can borrow my O gauge buddy's TMCC setup. The only problem I had with mine was that the lens on the tender light at the rear was missing. Lionel sent me another and all is well. Cheers :) Roy Inman www.unionstationphotos.com > From: N Becker <nabecker@...> > Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 15:21:12 -0400 (Eastern Standard Time) > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] SHS Consolidation & AM Northern > > On the AM Northern the connection between the > tender and loco tends to get loose, but Ron told me > how to correct that which I did, plus I taped it with > scotch tape. > So, I'm very pleased with both of my newest steam > engines. I can also say that Don and Robin at SHS are > great to work with when any problems have come up with > any of my SHS engines and Ron at AM is equally > customer friendly. > I think we S-Gaugers are lucky to have these > folks producing such good products. Reading all the > complaints about the Flyonel Consolidation last year - > I'm glad I didn't buy one - though it sounds like > things have gotten better for folks on that front.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39868	From: Roy Inman	Date: 4/3/2006
Subject: S scale speeder

Hi all; Just wondering if anyone has any information on the S scale speeder that Jeff Briggs was going to produce? It was originally scheduled for release around February 1, but we all know how variable those dates can be. I have not been able to get an email reply from him. Cheers :) Roy Inman www.unionstationphotos.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39869	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 4/3/2006
Subject: Railpasses

For several years now, I've participated in an exciting way to meet other model railroaders from all over the world and promote S scale as well. For a long time model railroaders have designed and distributed their own rail passes and exchanged them with other modelers. The increased usage of personal computers has spawned a new way of exchanging railpasses called the "electronic rail pass", or simply "epass". The Penn Western has participated for several years now and has issued 86 railpasses and received 48 so far. The PW has exchanged passes with model railroaders from such places as Germany, UK, Canada, Belgium, Sweden, Australia, Switzerland, South Africa, The Philippines, Netherlands, Italy and New Zealand. To learn more about them, just go to http://s-scaletrains.com/pwrr and click on the "Railpasses" button on the left. You can view the epasses received by going to: http://s-scaletrains.com/pwrr/erps.htm If you want a railpass just click on the Penn Western railpass and we'll issue one to you or your club. I hope more S scalers will be encouraged to take part. Roy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39870	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 4/3/2006
Subject: Fwd: Ready for next Wednesday?

On Wednesday of next week, at two minutes and > three seconds after 1:00 > in the morning, the time and date will be > 01:02:03 04/05/06. > > That won't happen again for a thousand years!!!. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39871	From: Trains	Date: 4/3/2006
Subject: AM 4-8-4 AF/Kadee coupler conversion

Hello, Roy and everyone else intrested in converting "Talgo" mounted AF style coupler on AM 4-8-4 to Kadee style coupler. No sweat on coupler problem (based on photos sent to me by Roy Inman of an AM 4-8-4 Tender and it's "Talgo" coupler mounting bar. Use the existing "Talgo" coupler mounting bar for AF style couplers. 1st. determine whether this bar is metal (it looks like it is based on metalic look of screw hole for AF coupler). If its plastic there may me problems trying to glue to it...depending on type of plastic. 2. Make a 1/32" thick styrene strip, about 1/2 inch in width and a couple of inches long. You will modify this as we go. 3. Now layout a centerline along two inch length...be precise, lay styrene over/next to existing hole for AF coupler mounting screw pushing it against the bend of bar and and mark hole centerline location. Drill hole there to tap and/or clear coupler mounting screw. (threads may be metric). 4. Fasten temporarily to bar with coupler screw, the styrene strip should not be loose and should be centered and in line with AM trucks coupler mounting bar. Use tape to hold in place if it is loose. 5. Swing truck to left until strip hits step, mark styrene strip on side where back side of back step is and where back outside end of end sill is, repeat for RH side. Now you know how far back you can put Kadee coupler draft gear box and where your furthest swing will be. 6. take some tape and tape assembled Kadee style draft gear box with coupler (there are at least 3 variations of a Kadee style coupler that can be used) to and centered on bottom of strip, with the front of draft gear box aligned with furthest mark (end sill ) ... this will work for any coupler. Be sure to cut off and file smooth the top of Kadee's draft gear box lip that sticks up. 7. now test... note you have not determined correct coupler height yet, just swing and mounting ...remember trial and error. 8. Use a car from shs or ? as a temporary height gauge ... be sure to have car and tender sitting on rails....as flange depth can and does vary. Check tender and car alignment ... if tender coupler is low/high switch things around puting draft gear box on top of styrene strip and/or shim up or down with styrene strips of varing thickneses to suit adjustment. Once all seems OK mark draft gear mounting holes and drill and tap. Use existing/apropriate screws to fasten Kadee style coupler assembly to strip and check everything again. 9. Paint black to match. You can copy this to comparable brass strips after testing and running for a while if you wish. That should solve the problem of attaching a Kadee style coupler to a AF coupler platform on the AM 4-8-4 Tender and allow for enough swing to accomodate tight radii and/or cars with truck mounted couplers. By Peter Loeb [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39872	From: Roy Inman	Date: 4/3/2006
Subject: Re: AM 4-8-4 AF/Kadee coupler conversion

Many thanks Peter, for going to the trouble to figure it out and then post it!! That is a big help to me and I suspect to others as well. Is this list great or what :) Roy Inman www.unionstationphotos.com > From: Trains <rr4u@...> > Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 19:35:09 -0700 > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Cc: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] AM 4-8-4 AF/Kadee coupler conversion > > Hello, Roy and everyone else intrested in converting "Talgo" mounted AF style > coupler on AM 4-8-4 to Kadee style coupler. > > No sweat on coupler problem (based on photos sent to me by Roy Inman of an AM > 4-8-4 Tender and it's "Talgo" coupler mounting bar. > > Use the existing "Talgo" coupler mounting bar for AF style couplers. > 1st. determine whether this bar is metal (it looks like it is based on metalic > look of screw hole for AF coupler). If its plastic there may me problems > trying to glue to it...depending on type of plastic. > 2. Make a 1/32" thick styrene strip, about 1/2 inch in width and a couple of > inches long. You will modify this as we go. > 3. Now layout a centerline along two inch length...be precise, lay styrene > over/next to existing hole for AF coupler mounting screw pushing it against > the bend of bar and and mark hole centerline location. Drill hole there to tap > and/or clear coupler mounting screw. (threads may be metric). > 4. Fasten temporarily to bar with coupler screw, the styrene strip should not > be loose and should be centered and in line with AM trucks coupler mounting > bar. Use tape to hold in place if it is loose. > 5. Swing truck to left until strip hits step, mark styrene strip on side where > back side of back step is and where back outside end of end sill is, repeat > for RH side. Now you know how far back you can put Kadee coupler draft gear > box and where your furthest swing will be. > 6. take some tape and tape assembled Kadee style draft gear box with coupler > (there are at least 3 variations of a Kadee style coupler that can be used) to > and centered on bottom of strip, with the front of draft gear box aligned > with furthest mark (end sill ) ... this will work for any coupler. Be sure > to cut off and file smooth the top of Kadee's draft gear box lip that sticks > up. > 7. now test... note you have not determined correct coupler height yet, just > swing and mounting ...remember trial and error. > 8. Use a car from shs or ? as a temporary height gauge ... be sure to have car > and tender sitting on rails....as flange depth can and does vary. Check tender > and car alignment ... if tender coupler is low/high switch things around > puting draft gear box on top of styrene strip and/or shim up or down with > styrene strips of varing thickneses to suit adjustment. Once all seems OK mark > draft gear mounting holes and drill and tap. Use existing/apropriate screws to > fasten Kadee style coupler assembly to strip and check everything again. > 9. Paint black to match. You can copy this to comparable brass strips after > testing and running for a while if you wish. > > That should solve the problem of attaching a Kadee style coupler to a AF > coupler platform on the AM 4-8-4 Tender and allow for enough swing to > accomodate tight radii and/or cars with truck mounted couplers. > > By Peter Loeb > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39873	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 4/3/2006
Subject: Re Fwd: Ready for next Wednesday?

"On Wednesday of next week, at two minutes and > three seconds after 1:00 > in the morning, the time and date will be > 01:02:03 04/05/06. > > That won't happen again for a thousand years!!!." Aha but it will happen again next month! Outside of North America in the rest of the English speaking world we write the date with the day of the month first, then the month and year. So May 4th 2006 is written 04/05/06! Alistair, down-under in Australia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39874	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 4/4/2006
Subject: National Champs (Non-train related)

Florida 73 - UCLA 57 It's Great to be a Florida Gator! BG1 University of Florida, BSChE 1977, MBA 1982

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39875	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 4/4/2006
Subject: Fwd: Ready for next Wednesday?

In a message dated 4/4/2006 2:00:32 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, am-flyr@... writes: WRONG ...every Hundred --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, fredstrainparts@... wrote: > > > > > On Wednesday of next week, at two minutes and > > three seconds after 1:00 > > in the morning, the time and date will be > > > > 01:02:03 04/05/06. > > > > That won't happen again for a thousand years!!!. You are right. Sorry about that mistake. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39876	From: rkuepper	Date: 4/4/2006
Subject: Re: Fwd: Ready for next Wednesday?

But next year we'll have 02:03:04 05/06/07!! -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of fredstrainparts@... Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 6:52 PM To: salinsl@... Cc: deldundee@...; greatoz@...; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Fwd: Ready for next Wednesday? On Wednesday of next week, at two minutes and > three seconds after 1:00 > in the morning, the time and date will be > 01:02:03 04/05/06. > > That won't happen again for a thousand years!!!. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39877	From: Phil K	Date: 4/4/2006
Subject: Re: Fwd: Ready for next Wednesday?

From the Chicago Sun-Times: Unique date offers geeky fun April 4, 2006 Stay up late tonight, pull out your military watch and see if you feel any different. C'mon, all the other nerds are doing it. Early Wednesday, when the clock strikes 1 a.m. plus two minutes and three seconds, the time and date will read 01:02:03 04/05/06. "It's very rare," said Samad Hedayat, a statistics professor at the University of Illinois at Chicago. But if you look at "the way we read numbers" -- meaning the more conventional way of looking at time and dates -- then you'd probably be interested in looking at 1:23 a.m. Wednesday. That's because it will be 1:23 4/5/6. And you could do the same later in the day, when it's 1:23 p.m., he says. Considering that method, there will be three such occurrences this century. It already happened at noon, March 4, 2005. And one more will happen this century: 12:34 a.m. or p.m. on May 6, 2007, or 12:34 5/6/7. "If someone is going to have a baby, they may be able to plan it so the child can later say my birthday is 1234567." As for the meaning of it all, Hedayat is not so sure about that. He said that Chinese calendars are much more insightful on those matters. -- Lisa Donovan

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39878	From: clifma19	Date: 4/4/2006
Subject: New engine

Doug and the folk at American Models, I received my Santa Fe Engine today. It is a beauty. Looks great and runs like clock work. Yes, it will smoke you out if you do not have ventilation. Congratulations ... another success. Clifford Manning Topeka, Ks

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39879	From: paflyrman	Date: 4/4/2006
Subject: Lionel Mikado & TMCC Problem

Last year I purchaed a Lionel Mikado with every intention of just running it in the conventional mode. As has been discussed here before, the loco's performance in this mode leaves a lot to be desired, so I decided to get a TMCC system for it. Of course by that time they were unavailable and have just about continued to be so. Recently I managed to buy one second hand which appeared to have had little if any use. However after hooking everything up, my loco does not run. I get the rail sounds from the tender, lights on both loco and tender, and the smoke unit will make smoke. But the loco doesn't move. The green light is on on the command base, and the red light flashes when I try to ring the bell or blow the whistle or turn the throttle. It does not blink when I program the engine. If anyone experienced with this system has any idea what is wrong I'd appreciate hearing. I'm beginning to suspect there is something wrong with whatever elements are involved in programming the system for the engine. Thanks in advance for wading through all of this. paflyrman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39880	From: Al	Date: 4/4/2006
Subject: Gene Dovenbarger - Stroke victim

To those of you who may know Gene Dovenbarger of the Golden Spike American Flyer Club in Utah, our first club president and chief founder of our club, had a stroke last Sunday. He is not doing really well according to his wife Karen and he is being kept sedated by his physicians so they hopefully can locate the blood clot that has caused this problem for him. He was previously in the Golden Gate American Flyer Club in the San Francisco area before moving to Utah in the 1980's. We hope to hear some good news from his doctors this week. I will pass on to this list any news about Gene as it happens. Al Rawdon Layton, Utah

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39881	From: paflyrman	Date: 4/4/2006
Subject: Re: Lionel Mikado & TMCC Problem

The whistle and bell do not work, but the base unit is getting the signal as the red light flashes. Should the red light flash when I "ENG + 1" to program the loco? I know it should already be programed that way, but I'm trying everything. paflyrman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39882	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 4/4/2006
Subject: The Track Question - same in S as in O

"Then there is Tom's Turnouts which are supposed to be able to handle Hi-rail and scale alike, but I seem to recall reading that they also required at least some modification to work with both. Tom can tell us better." Yes, my turnouts do run Flyer, Hi-rail and scale (even brass) -without any modification. all in the same train if you want. I have found only an occasional piece of Flyer needs to have its wheels properly gauged. Flyonel, well from what I've heard, that's another story. Apparently their S gauging machine broke down years ago and it has yet to be fixed-that is to say, Flyonel needs to be brought up to S gauge standards to work properly, not only on my turnouts, but others as well. Hi-rail and scale have no gauging issues that I'm aware of. One change that has been brought to my attention is for the people who run a full voltage system (DCC, etc.). All turnouts need to have a gap between the closure rail and wing rail otherwise you may get shorting back at the gap between the point and stock rail. I believe this is what 'they' call DCC ready. I have not heard of it being a problem on a variable voltage system. If anyone has had any trouble using my turnouts, I would appreciate hearing form you. on or off list. And if I may, a quick plug: we have added #6s and #8s in SHS rail to our line of products. and more to come. Thank you, Tom Stoltz Tom's Turnouts & Trackwork Maine S Gaugers NASG [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39883	From: Gary Chudzinski	Date: 4/4/2006
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] Digest Number 3016

> Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 03:54:47 -0000 > From: "Alistair McAllister" <alizoo@...> > Subject: Re Fwd: Ready for next Wednesday? > > "On Wednesday of next week, at two minutes and > > three seconds after 1:00 > > in the morning, the time and date will be > > > > 01:02:03 04/05/06. How about 6 hours, 6 minutes, and 6 seconds into June 6th? It will be: 06:06:06 06/06/06 chudgr@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39884	From: Russ Dondero	Date: 4/4/2006
Subject: Re: SHS Consolidation & AM Northern

You need to spread the metal tongs (?) on the engine side just slightly. But be careful you don't break them off or spread them too far. I only touched the outside ones (of the 4) very carefully. You don't have much room, it's finger nail job unless you've got the right tools and some very good lighting. But it worked. --- N Becker <nabecker@...> wrote: > > Care to share what did Ron tell you to correct the > plug problem? > > Back to this list should let everybody know the > fixes..... > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2006 23:32:52 -0700 (PDT) > From: Russ Dondero <russtrainmax@...> > Subject: SHS Consolidation & AM Northern > > Hi there S Fans: > I enjoy reading the Yahoo s trains group site > for > Information and assessments of S Gauge rolling > stock. > Here's my 2 cents worth on my two most recent > acquisitions. > I've got both the new hi-rail SHS 2-8-0 > Consolidation and the AM Northern. I run them on my > Old AF tracks which are in the old AF ballast track > holders. I have no problems with either engine > negotiating my layout which has an outside lop with > 29" curves and two connecting loops with 25"curves. > Both engines run very well and look great. > My only problem is that with old AF rail the > electrial power varies around the inner loop with > 19" > curves which I run the Consolidated on hence causing > the engine whistle on the 2-8-0 to very in strength > or > cut out at times - but that's not it's fault. The > AM > Northern whistle is fantastic and consistent on the > outside loop. My layout is on an 8 x 11 U shaped > table > built for it. > I run both engines with old AF transformers the > 18B & 8B with the locomatic and also a Tech II and > the > small black AF transformer. > On the AM Northern the connection between the > tender and loco tends to get loose, but Ron told me > how to correct that which I did, plus I taped it > with > scotch tape. > So, I'm very pleased with both of my newest > steam > engines. I can also say that Don and Robin at SHS > are > great to work with when any problems have come up > with > any of my SHS engines and Ron at AM is equally > customer friendly. > I think we S-Gaugers are lucky to have these > folks producing such good products. Reading all the > complaints about the Flyonel Consolidation last year > - > I'm glad I didn't buy one - though it sounds like > things have gotten better for folks on that front. > It's nice to see Floynel making a larger batch > of > running stock each year. I really want to buy those > UP heavyweights. But I'll stick with my AM Northern > which is far better on my system than the old Flyer > Northern which I've borrowed from a friend. I look > forward to reading about how the Flyonel Northern > looks and works when they come out. > > Russ in Oregon > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39885	From: Russ Dondero	Date: 4/4/2006
Subject: Re: SHS Consolidation & AM Northern II

I guess I'm a victim of having read so many complaints on this listserv when they first came out that I was reluctant to consider buying the Mikado. Maybe down the road - I know where several are in the Seattle area. --- Roy Inman <rinphoto@...> wrote: > Russ, et al; > Yes, it would be helpful for us AM Northern owners > to learn of the fix for > the tender/loco connection that Ron suggested. > And just FYI, Russ, the Flyonel was/is a Mikado, not > a Consolidation. Picky, > picky :) And BTW, my UP Mikado runs like a top. Very > well made and looks > great too! It does work best, however, when I can > borrow my O gauge buddy's > TMCC setup. The only problem I had with mine was > that the lens on the tender > light at the rear was missing. Lionel sent me > another and all is well. > Cheers :) > Roy Inman > www.unionstationphotos.com > > > From: N Becker <nabecker@...> > > Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 15:21:12 -0400 (Eastern > Standard Time) > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [S-Trains] SHS Consolidation & AM > Northern > > > > On the AM Northern the connection between the > > tender and loco tends to get loose, but Ron told > me > > how to correct that which I did, plus I taped it > with > > scotch tape. > > So, I'm very pleased with both of my newest steam > > engines. I can also say that Don and Robin at SHS > are > > great to work with when any problems have come up > with > > any of my SHS engines and Ron at AM is equally > > customer friendly. > > I think we S-Gaugers are lucky to have these > > folks producing such good products. Reading all > the > > complaints about the Flyonel Consolidation last > year - > > I'm glad I didn't buy one - though it sounds like > > things have gotten better for folks on that front. > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39886	From: Roy Inman	Date: 4/4/2006
Subject: Re: SHS Consolidation & AM Northern II

IMHO, it is worth a look. It really is a high-quality piece of equipment. No doubt some folks got a "lemon." Most unfortunately, it happens with all mass manufactured products, right down to my neighbor's brand new $45,000 SUV that quits for no apparent reason. And the dealer can't find the cause. I am sure, therefore, that some of the complaints about the Mikado were justified. Mine runs as least as well as my equally terrific (but better detailed) SHS Consolidation, and has an outstanding sound system, especially when run via TMCC, which is how it was designed to operate. There is the slight outside chance that a few complaints, just a few mind you, were due to folks running it in the conventional mode and expecting TMCC performance. Or expecting old American Flyer performance. This ain't like your father's A.C. Gilbert engine was, simple and strong. It is more complicated and therefore more prone to problems, like the Space Shuttle. Like it or not, we are in the 21st century and technology has given us lots of interesting toys, for better and/or worse. Just IMHO... Cheers :) Roy Inman www.unionstationphotos.com > From: Russ Dondero <russtrainmax@...> > Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 22:02:52 -0700 (PDT) > To: Roy Inman <rinphoto@...>, N Becker <nabecker@...>, > S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] SHS Consolidation & AM Northern II > > I guess I'm a victim of having read so many complaints > on this listserv when they first came out that I was > reluctant to consider buying the Mikado. Maybe down > the road - I know where several are in the Seattle > area.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39887	From: Rick Evans	Date: 4/5/2006
Subject: Reading S-Trains at Yahoo

Well, I went to the S-Trains site at Yahoo tonight and clicked on QUITE a few posts. Never once did I get a stupid ad and have to click on somethin' again to get to the post! That used to drive me nuts when they started that! That's when I went to the "email" format. I may have to start visiting the site again. As I mentioned in a earliar post, it was fun to catch up on the old posts. I think I joined in Feb. of 2000,.....I'm trying to find my FIRST posting. Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39888	From: Phil K	Date: 4/5/2006
Subject: Re: Reading S-Trains at Yahoo

Rick, I use IE6.0 and haven't seen an ad popup in a couple of years while using the main S-Trains board. I don't know if Yahoo! ceased the annoying ads, or if my pop-up blockers are staving them off. But I'm glad for your post because I didn't understand what some people were talking about. Heck, I thought everyone connected here through the main board, not emails. Now I know better. Phil K --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Evans" <bassflyer@...> wrote: > > Well, I went to the S-Trains site at Yahoo tonight and clicked on QUITE a few posts. Never > once did I get a stupid ad and have to click on somethin' again to get to the post! > That used to drive me nuts when they started that! That's when I went to the "email" > format. > I may have to start visiting the site again. As I mentioned in a earliar post, it was fun to catch > up on the old posts. I think I joined in Feb. of 2000,.....I'm trying to find my FIRST posting. > > Rick. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39889	From: dale reynolds	Date: 4/5/2006
Subject: Early AF 360-1

hi, i swapped some ugly 3 rail stuff for this set with the wire handrails but very rough paint back in 1979, planning on having them refinished in SOU green which i model. lately i have been advised it is uncommon enuf not to do it and use Am Models PA's, which i will do. so if anyone on the list wants this set cheap send me a note offline and i'll email pix. if no one does, i'll take them to pontiac and ditch them there. thanks. Dale Reynolds reynoldsdale@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39890	From: hjsheff	Date: 4/5/2006
Subject: Train trips

Hello Everyone My wife and I are headed through Colorado and down to Durango and then Chama for some long awaited train rides this fall around the end of Sept and into October. Then work through the canyons to Vegas to see Barry Manilows 50's show. We would appreciate hearing about what you have found to do in the Durango and Chama areas and about the motels or hotels in those cities you stayed at. I know there were a few negataive experiences posted a while back so we want to stay away from them if possible. Howard Sheffield Howard' S Trains

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39891	From: Rick Evans	Date: 4/5/2006
Subject: Re: Reading S-Trains at Yahoo/pop-ups

***(((I use IE6.0 and haven't seen an ad popup in a couple of years while using the main S-Trains board. I don't know if Yahoo! ceased the annoying ads, or if my pop-up blockers are staving them off.)))**** I'm actually not sure that "pop-ups" is the correct term for what Yahoo used to do. When I would click on a post, it took me to a Yahoo ad first, THEN, I had to click on "click here to continue" or somethin' like that, to finally get to the post. I used to just hit "back" and get back to the messages, well of course, it took me back to the ad so I had to click "back" one more time! Very annoying! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39892	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 4/5/2006
Subject: Re: 06:06:06 06/06/06

Thank you Gary. I will be awake for that one. It may be the settlement date for our new home and the beginning of the new Belfry Station layout. For my 65th birthday yesterday we went to Lancaster and Roots farmers market where I visited with Jim Lyle. Jim has some AF and SHS for sale at reasonable prices. We also visited the Choo-Choo barn which is extensively modeled with moving figures building houses, barns and putting out fires. http://www.choochoobarn.com/ Some of us will never grow up. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Chudzinski" <chudgr@...> To: "S-Trains List" <S-Trains@...> Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 9:56 PM Subject: FW: [S-Trains] Digest Number 3016 > > > Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 03:54:47 -0000 > > From: "Alistair McAllister" <alizoo@...> > > Subject: Re Fwd: Ready for next Wednesday? > > > > "On Wednesday of next week, at two minutes and > > > three seconds after 1:00 > > > in the morning, the time and date will be > > > > > > > 01:02:03 04/05/06. > > How about 6 hours, 6 minutes, and 6 seconds into June 6th? > > It will be: 06:06:06 06/06/06 > > chudgr@... > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39893	From: paflyrman	Date: 4/5/2006
Subject: Mikado & TMCC Problem - No Solution

Thanks to all who have responded to my plight; unfortunately, none of the possible solutions offered have solved the problem. I will have to get the TMCC checked out locally to be sure it's not the problem, as I have no O-ther gauge items to check it on. If it turns out the problem is in the loco, then I will just revert to running it conventionally. Sometimes modern technology gone awry can take all of the fun out of it. paflyrman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39894	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 4/5/2006
Subject: Atlas O purchased Industrial Rail

Great news and perhaps for S gaugers too!, Would be great if Atlas would put some good quality S guage die cast trucks on these 027 models which actually are more in scale with S gauge than Klines Old Marx dies. Better news would be for them to put some S Gauge powered trucks on their street cars also. Jerry Matsick

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39895	From: Barry Jamison	Date: 4/5/2006
Subject: Pins for engine tender connection

Hi all, Does anyone have a source for the proper size pins to make the connection between engine & tender. My k5 needs new wires run between and the pins that I found seem to be two narrow in circumference.Any information would be appreciated. Barry

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39896	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 4/5/2006
Subject: Re: Atlas O purchased Industrial Rail

Probably the best thing about the sale would be possibly getting the product available to more dealers. The "airplane guys" cut out a lot of the smaller dealers, normally the lifeblood of any business. Historically, the "little guys" pay their bills on time. Jim "Have I got a parking space for you" Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39897	From: mlmarmer	Date: 4/5/2006
Subject: Mother's Room?

My wife got her convention program for her exciting 2006 American Dietetics Association (ADA) meeting. Sadly, the convention has no exciting tours like listed for the TCA conventions. But I see, something they have listed, that I have never seen listed at York, a division meet, other division meets and the TCA National Convention. They list a Mother's Room for things, well, I think you can guess what that might be. I would like to amend the TCA constitution, that a Mother's Room be added to any TCA function in the future. This would really attract females I am sure in joining TCA! But then, maybe I should withdrawn this motion, as I can see, the halls being over run with baby strollers! LOL My wife does say, that York is more exciting and fun, than a boring meeting with a bunch of dieticians. And they don't have a official donut or ice cream socials!! They talk about chemical reactions in fat cells! How exciting! No train noises, Neil Young, train smoke, funnel cake stands, crab cake sandwiches at ADA! But you can take all the pictures you want of a fat cell! while we know that no pictures are allow in the halls of the kingdom at York! Mike Marmer Germantown, MD

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39898	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 4/5/2006
Subject: OFF TOPIC

Funny day today...... I finally had it with work and my hurting right hand........ so I jumped in the Vette and went to Sun N Fun........ While visiting one of the displays I noticed a metal prop shined to look like a mirror..... I asked the guy how it would do on Alum...... GREAT...... then I asked about a alum. casting........ Thats when I said I was looking for something to polish an "S" guage train car......." Oh you mean American Flyer?"..... Turns out he is a collecter too...... hes going to try it when he gets back home...... hes going to send me his e-mail so he can join the list and maybe someday go to York hes heard so much about...... One of the highlights of my day was this note I sent a friend...... .... SPENT A FEW MINUTES IN THE LEFT SEAT OF A DC-3...... BUT SHE WAS TIED DOWN.... THE WHEEL, THROTLES AND ALL ARE WHERE THEY SHOULD BE.... MIGHT GET A CHANCE TO GET TO FLY HER SOON......FROM THE PILOTS SEAT WITH AN INSTRUCTOR IN THE RIGHT SEAT..... BOB

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39899	From: charlie and edith	Date: 4/5/2006
Subject: Armature spacer washer, Steam, Summary

Greetings! My thanks to all who shared their thoughts!!! The following is a summary of the information received. The armature spacer washer serves two purposes. One, is to absorb rotational wear and the second is to center the armature in the field and hold it in that position. The "washers" are available in three sizes - 5, 10 and 20 thousandths. A "washer" or combination of, is used on the gear end of the armature to center it in the field. The same procedure is used on the plate/opposite end of the armature to hold the centered position. The goal at this point is to allow for some back and forth movement (travel) of the armature to compensate for such things as heat expansion, reduction of gear noise and to keep forward/reverse speed fairly equal. The amount of "travel" is determined by motor performance. A good starting point for "travel" is between 10 and 30 thousandths of space between the plate end of the atmature and brush holder.... adding or subtracting "washers" to gain optimun motor performance. Some cautions, the washers must have a diameter that does not allow contact with the brush tubes, the brush tubes must not touch the surface plates of the armature and the armature must rotate freely. I have experimented with two engines to date and each required a different combination of washers and "space" at the plate end of the armature but the above was a good starting point. Experimentation seems to be the key. If there are additional thoughts, please let me know and I will revise. Best wishes, Charlie [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39900	From: G. Elems	Date: 4/6/2006
Subject: Re: Atlas O purchased Industrial Rail

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Jerry Matsick" <jpmatsick@...> wrote: > > Great news and perhaps for S gaugers too!, Would be great if Atlas > would put some good quality S guage die cast trucks on these 027 > models which actually are more in scale with S gauge than Klines Old > Marx dies. > Better news would be for them to put some S Gauge powered trucks on > their street cars also. > > Jerry Matsick > Very interesting indeed. Where was this news posted? Could Atlas be entertaining the idea of entering S? Greg Elems Reno, NV [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39901	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 4/6/2006
Subject: Re: Armature spacer washer, Steam,Addenda

Charlie, Something else that should be checked is the interior of the brush tube for wear and areas that could hang a brush up, and loose brush tubes in the back plate. Had both happen on occasion on Flyer locos on the NTTM layout. I had a drill bit of the proper size in the toolbox, ran it thru EVERY tube serviced to be sure. When the wheels finally fell off, we put recycled wheels back on and ran 'em some more. MY little shop rebushed steam chassis also. My machinist made the bushings. Jim "Hope you all come to NTTM" Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39902	From: rkuepper	Date: 4/6/2006
Subject: Re: Mother's Room?

LOL, Mike. But maybe the dieticians look better than us old geezers at York? :<) -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mlmarmer Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 8:29 PM To: Toy Trains; S Trains >; Ralph Loveless; cookie flannery Subject: [S-Trains] Mother's Room? My wife got her convention program for her exciting 2006 American Dietetics Association (ADA) meeting. Sadly, the convention has no exciting tours like listed for the TCA conventions. But I see, something they have listed, that I have never seen listed at York, a division meet, other division meets and the TCA National Convention. They list a Mother's Room for things, well, I think you can guess what that might be. I would like to amend the TCA constitution, that a Mother's Room be added to any TCA function in the future. This would really attract females I am sure in joining TCA! But then, maybe I should withdrawn this motion, as I can see, the halls being over run with baby strollers! LOL My wife does say, that York is more exciting and fun, than a boring meeting with a bunch of dieticians. And they don't have a official donut or ice cream socials!! They talk about chemical reactions in fat cells! How exciting! No train noises, Neil Young, train smoke, funnel cake stands, crab cake sandwiches at ADA! But you can take all the pictures you want of a fat cell! while we know that no pictures are allow in the halls of the kingdom at York! Mike Marmer Germantown, MD S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39903	From: Dave Ganslein	Date: 4/6/2006
Subject: Cell Phone Security

Here is something worth knowing if you have a cell phone .... Have you ever wondered why phone companies don't seem interested in trying to prevent the theft of cell phones? If you have ever lost one, or had one stolen, and if you are on a plan, you still have to pay the plan approximately up to 24 months, and you still have to buy another handset and enter into another contract. This is more revenue for the phone company. There is a simple way of making lost or stolen mobiles useless to thieves and the phone companies know about it, but they keep it quiet.To check your cell phone's serial number, key in the following on your phone: star-pound-zero-six-pound ( * # 0 6 # ) and a fifteen digit code will appear on the screen. This is unique to your handset. Write it down and keep it safe. Should your cell phone get stolen,you can call your service provider and give them this code. They will then be able to block your handset, so even if the thief changes the sim card, your phone will be totally useless.You probably won't get your phone back, but at least you know that whoever stole it can't use / sell it either. If everybody did this, there would be no point in stealing cell phones. Hope this Helps Dave __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39904	From: ken garber	Date: 4/6/2006
Subject: Re: Atlas Purchase

On 7 Apr 2006 03:30:13 -0000, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > > Very interesting indeed. Where was this news posted? Could Atlas be > entertaining the idea of entering S? > > Greg Elems > Reno, NV > First story at http://forum.atlasrr.com/ ken [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39905	From: Velapoldi	Date: 4/7/2006
Subject: Re: Atlas Purchase

Hi all: Why would the purchase of all the 'O' scale assets of Industrial Rail by Atlas suggest that they might enter S gauge? If Atlas wanted to do it earlier, they certainly could have done so??? Guess I missed something in the telling or about Industrial Rail O scale assets. Tx Rance Velapoldi (Norway) ken garber wrote: >On 7 Apr 2006 03:30:13 -0000, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > > > >>Very interesting indeed. Where was this news posted? Could Atlas be >>entertaining the idea of entering S? >> >>Greg Elems >>Reno, NV >> >> >> > > >First story at http://forum.atlasrr.com/ > > >ken > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39906	From: Bill Clark	Date: 4/7/2006
Subject: SHS Spring Sale ends today at Midnight

This is the last day for the S Helper Service Spring Sales: One on PRR F7s, the other on Panel Side Hoppers. By the way, a lot of the F7s were ordered with DCC! http://www.showcaseline.com/indexSale.html Thanks, Bill

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39907	From: kenwoodies1	Date: 4/7/2006
Subject: American Flyer Christmas 2006

The Lionel Christmas catalog for 2006 is out and there are four American Flyer cars listed. They are as follows: 6-48363 Christmas Boxcar, 6-48739 Christmas Caboose, 6-48059 Christmas Docksider and 6- 49028 Candy Cane Dump Car. Jim Duncan

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39908	From: paflyrman	Date: 4/7/2006
Subject: Mikado & TMCC Problem - SOLVED !!!!!

It was raining this AM so I decided to forget my planned agenda for the day and go downstairs and give it one more try. After looking through the manuals for both the loco and TMCC again I decided to reprogram the loco for "ENG 1". After trying so many suggestions over the last couple of weeks I wasn't quite sure if I had tried that, especially since the literature said the loco came programmed for "Eng 1". Well wouldn't you know it, this time it worked. Everything works fine - runs like a charm. Could it have come from the factory programmed to something other than "ENG 1"? I"ll never know. Thanks to all who have responded; I really appreciate it. Now if I could just get my lawnmower started..... paflyrman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39909	From: RCESpeak	Date: 4/7/2006
Subject: York Arrangements

Hello Fellow Yorkies, It's time to put the finishing touches on your York plans and here is a menu from which to choose: 04/17 Monday I am aware of only one train venue open this day and it will be a good one. The Reliance Fire Hall will be much more heavily populated with S sellers this year. It is located at 1341 W. Market Street. You can spend the better part of this first day of bandit meets at the Reliance . No dinner is scheduled this evening as many folks are still arriving. 04/18 Tuesday All bandit meets are open this day. For the newbies attending their first York, the bandit meets are at the Reliance Fire Hall, the Holiday Inn on Carlisle north of Rt. 30 (Holidome), the Holiday Inn on the south side of Rt. 30 just East of I 83 (Billy Budd) and the Best Western parking lot on The north side of Rt. 30 behind Ruby Tuesdays. Dinner this evening is at the Roosevelt Tavern, 400 W. Philadelphia St. Phone is (717-854-7725). Reservations are for 7:00 PM and are made in my name. Going east on Rt. 30, turn left at Roosevelt Ave. At the end, bear right onto Penn St., and make an immediate right into the Tavern parking lot. 04/19 Wednesday This is a big day with lots happening. The bandit meets are open. The National Toy Train Museum has its open house from 10:00 AM - 6:00 PM. There is a detailed schedule of events as well as driving directions in your TCA York newsletter on page 8. Toy Trains Unlimited has an open house in October but not in the Spring. They do, however, have tons of postwar and Flyonel American Flyer as well as SHS and American Models. It is located at 28 York St., Hanover, PA a mere 30 minute drive South of York on Rt. 83. Phone is (717) 637-4717. We have reservations at Alexander's at 6:30 PM. It is located at 840 Carlisle Rd. (717) 846-1041. At the Carlisle exit off Rt. 30, turn left at the light at the end of the exit ramp. Alexander's is on the right about a half of a mile up the road. 04/20 Thursday The bandit meets are closed and this is the first day at the Fairgrounds. It opens at noon. Member halls close at 5:30 PM and dealer halls close at 7:00 PM. The Gilbert Get Together this year has a new start time. It is 8:00 PM. We are located back at the Bridgeton Center which is next to the Days Inn located at 222 Arsenal Rd. (Rt. 30). The Days Inn is behind the Round the Clock Diner. Clay has informed me that he will be checking out alternative locations for the Get Together for October as the room rental rate at the Bridgeton has more than doubled this year. So expect a change in venue for October. If you have any suggestions, you can e-mail Clay at clay@... This is 'our' main 'S' event so ya'll come to the Get Together. There will be an S-Trains photo op as a group immediately following the event. Because of the staggered closing times at the Fairgrounds and the Gilbert Get Together, there are no dinner reservations this evening. So you are on your own. There is also an open house of the Glen Rock Fire Department layouts from 7:00 PM to 9:00 PM. They have 4 layouts including a 16' x 32' American Flyer layout that is reported to be wonderful. The layouts are located in the library building at 32 Main St., Glen Rock, PA. This is a 15 minute ride from the Fairgrounds south on Rt. 83. You can get directions from the web site at http://www.grfd.org 04/21 Friday On Friday the halls open at 9:00 AM and again have staggered closings of 5:30 PM for member halls and 7:00 PM for dealer halls. Our dinner is scheduled for 7:00 PM at the Olive Garden at 1340 Kenneth Rd. (717) 845-2264. Kenneth Rd. is about 1 ½ miles West of I 83. There is a light at the intersection of Rt. 30 and Kenneth Rd. Turn left onto Kenneth Rd. and the Olive Garden in on your right. Since they do not take reservations (although they know we are arriving), I will arrive at 6:00 PM to set us up. As is now becoming customary, anyone wishing to get there a bit early for dinner can join me at the restaurant's watering hole while we wait for our table. 04/22 Saturday No scheduled activities for Saturday except for trains. The halls at the Fairgrounds open at 9:00 AM and close at 2:00 PM. So there is the schedule. Please try to join us at as many of the events as you can. We have such fun and it is always nice to meet new as well as returning members of the list. Remember no cameras nor cell phones are allowed to be used in the halls. If this is your first York experience, I recommend reading Clem Clement's York prime. www.tcamembers.org/articles/tca/primer/index.html Also, don't forget to wear your S-Trains badge as well as your York badge. It can be found at: http://trainweb.org/s-trains/badge/s_badge.htm or the one Chris Zizzo created at: http://www.freewebs.com/busyboy One last item. You can check out the forecasted weather for York by going to www.weatherchannel.com and typing in the zip code of 17404. But no matter what they say, bring a warm sweater or jacket and make sure it is one I can borrow. My Florida circulatory system can't handle anything below 68 degrees. Safe travels and see ya'll at York. .... Barb

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39910	From: ken garber	Date: 4/7/2006
Subject: Re: Atlas - I.R.

On 7 Apr 2006 18:01:55 -0000, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com < S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 09:25:19 +0200 > From: Velapoldi <velapoldi@...> > Subject: Re: Atlas Purchase > > Hi all: > Why would the purchase of all the 'O' scale assets of Industrial Rail by > Atlas suggest that they might enter S gauge? If Atlas wanted to do it > earlier, they certainly could have done so??? Guess I missed something > in the telling or about Industrial Rail O scale assets. > Tx > Rance Velapoldi (Norway) > > At least one of the car bodies in their product line are close to S and by changing the trucks out..... I believe the caboose is like this - don't know about any others. Ken [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39911	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 4/7/2006
Subject: April 19th in Strasburg

In a message dated 4/7/2006 10:01:47 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, toytrains@yahoogroups.com writes: Of course, if you wish to stay in the Lancaster/Strasburg area there are plenty of moderately priced motels there, AND you are close to the TCA Headquarters and Museum Just met with the new owner of the RED CABOOSE MOTEL to finalize our parking arrangements for WED APRIL 19 and he offered to give TCA members a $5.00 room discount (based on availability of course) from April 15th thru the 23rd. Must ask clerk for deal when calling, must present membership card at sign in. THEN he offered a 10% discount in the GIFT SHOP during the same time period. The RESTAURANT at the Red Caboose Motel (RCM, by the way) will open at 0630 and will remain open until 2000 (8 PM) for breakfast, lunch and dinner, Menu Dining. Phone is 1-888-687-5005 CHOO-CHOO BARN is offering GROUP RATE ($4.25) to TCA members on presentation of membership card from April 15 thru 23 (closed Easter Sunday). CCB will also remain open until 8 PM on Wednesday April 19th. The NTTM Shuttle (FREE, driver might accept a tip) will also run from 9 AM til 6 PM from NTTM to STRASBURG RAILROAD (SRR), to the Choo Choo Barn(CCB), to the Railroad Museum of Pennsylvania (RRMPA) on an approximate 15 minute headway. Parking is available at each venue, PICK-UP WILL BE MARKED, RRMPA might be a little tight because of major construction starting anyday now. Lunch is also available at the Dining Car at the Railroad and Issac's at ChooChooBarn. Trains will be running to Paradise (and return). Dining also at Red Caboose Motel as I mentioned, PLUS CONTROLLED parking in the trackside lot. NO parking at caboose units. Walk to NTTM. Don't forget the "GARY LAVINUS Commemorative Car" available at NTTM starting at 10 AM. Parking Crew will be on the lots by 0730, wearing red/orange vests, in radio communications with each other IF you need help. They are all MEMBER VOLUNTEERS, if you have a complaint find me, the tall/short fellow, clean/shaven with a beard. We ask that you park on the "satelite lots" if possible, as the NTTM lot will be crowded early. The NORTH entrance to RCM will be closed. ALL Southbound traffic on PARADISE LANE will be directed to satellite parking. And yes, Bus Parking is for Busses. Jim "E & M Committee, Parking" Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39912	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 4/7/2006
Subject: Re;Atlas purchase

I don't see Atlas O going into S scale either. HOWEVER, some of the Industrial Rail items are scaled fairly close to S scale and I have already seen some of their items converted to On30. (As most of you know, On30 and S are very close in size, if not actual scale.) Conversions of Industrial Rail products to S scale would allow us to have even more options in our gauge. Stumpy Stone...Creative Imagineer in Martins Ferry, OH.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39913	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 4/7/2006
Subject: Re: Atlas Purchase

----- Original Message ----- From: "Velapoldi" <velapoldi@...> Why would the purchase of all the 'O' scale assets of Industrial Rail by Atlas suggest that they might enter S gauge? > > > > > > > > I presume the term "'O' scale" is Atlas hype (a lie) and they really mean the 'O' gauge assets, of which the caboose body, while it had its problems, was right on for S scale in its over-all dimentions. It looked goofy on its O gauge trucks, but with S gauge trucks and couplers, it was a good runner and a candidate for some upgrading. Otherwise the Industrial Rail so-called "O-27 scale" cars are of questionable value for S scale. Tom Hawley -- Lansing Mich

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39914	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 4/7/2006
Subject: SHS 2-8-0 TMCC Conversion.

Some wanted to know if I was going to do the SHS 2-8-0 conversion. I have and here it is. http://www.tuveson.com/shs2-8-0/shs2-8-0.htm Carl [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39915	From: Roy Inman	Date: 4/7/2006
Subject: Re: SHS 2-8-0 TMCC Conversion.

So Carl, how much are you going to charge to do that for others? Looks to be a bit outside my envelope... I certainly am impressed at the amount of research, skill and work that went into the conversion. Not to mention the knowledge required to figure out what questions to ask. Roy Inman www.unionstationphotos.com > From: Carl Tuveson <carl@...> > Reply-To: carl@... > Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 19:34:13 -0400 > To: STrains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [S-Trains] SHS 2-8-0 TMCC Conversion. > > Some wanted to know if I was going to do the SHS 2-8-0 conversion. I have > and here it is. > http://www.tuveson.com/shs2-8-0/shs2-8-0.htm > > Carl > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39916	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 4/7/2006
Subject: Re: York - and Glen Rock Fire Department

Barb You have another great itinerary set up for York Week, and let me encourage all of you to head down to Glen Rock, great American Flyer layout along with great O, HO N and G layouts too, worth the 15 mile ride, WISH is was going to be there but yall have a great week at Toy Train Heaven "York". Jerry M

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39917	From: G. Elems	Date: 4/7/2006
Subject: IR cars

Ken, Thanks, didn't find it on the Atlas web page till I looked at the Atlas RR report. Rance, IR had the caboose that look great on AF trucks. The covered hopper makes a good car for AF trucks too. I picked up several wood ore cars, and are passable for running on AF trucks. I haven't checked the tank car yet but it looks better than the K-Line S car IMHO. So if K-Line can use S trucks, why not do it with some of the IR cars. Atlas may not be entertaining S but the cars still being available is a bonus IMO. Cheers, Greg Elems Reno, NV [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39918	From: Gary Chudzinski	Date: 4/7/2006
Subject: Re: Cell phone security

Dave Ganslein writes: > Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 16:25:49 -0700 (PDT) > From: Dave Ganslein <dieseldave72@...> > Subject: Cell Phone Security > > Here is something worth knowing if you have a cell > phone .... > Have you ever wondered why phone companies don't seem > interested in trying to prevent the theft of cell > phones? If you have ever lost one, or had one stolen, > and if you are on a plan, you still have to pay the > plan approximately up to 24 months, and you still have > to buy another handset and enter into another > contract. This is more revenue for the phone company. > There is a simple way of making lost or stolen mobiles > useless to thieves and the phone companies know about > it, but they keep it quiet.To check your cell phone's > serial number, key in the following on your phone: > star-pound-zero-six-pound ( * # 0 6 # ) and a fifteen > digit code will appear on the screen. > This is unique to your handset. Write it down and keep > it safe. Should your cell phone get stolen,you can > call your service provider and give them this code. > They will then be able to block your handset, so even > if the thief changes the sim card, your phone will be > totally useless.You probably won't get your phone > back, but at least you know that whoever stole it > can't use / sell it either. > If everybody did this, there would be no point in > stealing cell phones. Dave, Don't know what kind of cell phone or phone service you have, but your code does not work on my Alltel Motorola phone! Gary Chudzinski chudgr@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39919	From: Richard Clouse	Date: 4/8/2006
Subject: Re: SHS 2-8-0 TMCC Conversion.

Hear, Hear! Though I saved your e-mail on the conversion, I think I will leave the actual work to a "Train(ed) Professional!" On a related note, my Consolidation's sound system is a little distorted--the standing sound effects sound more like feedback than boiler noise. In any event, given the comments made by others on this forum as to the great sound effects in this little engine, I have to believe mine needs some fine tuning. Is there a way of perhaps lowering the volume a little on the effects--I am thinking that that may solve some of the sound problems--that the volume from the factory may be a little much for the speaker. Rich Clouse Roy Inman <rinphoto@...> wrote: So Carl, how much are you going to charge to do that for others? Looks to be a bit outside my envelope... I certainly am impressed at the amount of research, skill and work that went into the conversion. Not to mention the knowledge required to figure out what questions to ask. Roy Inman www.unionstationphotos.com > From: Carl Tuveson > Reply-To: carl@... > Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 19:34:13 -0400 > To: STrains > Subject: [S-Trains] SHS 2-8-0 TMCC Conversion. > > Some wanted to know if I was going to do the SHS 2-8-0 conversion. I have > and here it is. > http://www.tuveson.com/shs2-8-0/shs2-8-0.htm > > Carl > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39920	From: Robert Graves	Date: 4/8/2006
Subject: Lionel's SD-9 engines and the earlier GP-7 engines

I am working on the Gallery page for the GP series of engines http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/engines-GP-Series.html and have run into three questions: 1. I see two SD-9 engines in Lionel's 2005 catalog. To me, they look for all the world like a GP-7. Are they different? Can anyone explain the differences? 2. I've heard the term "Geep." Is that a generic name for the GP series (7, 9, and 20)? 3. I seem to recall a message many months ago saying the the GP-20 was a figment of Lionel's imagination, that no such engine was ever built on the real railroads. Do I recall correctly? I'm going to search the archives and see if I can find it. Any help would be appreciated. The freight car pages of the Gallery are now essentially complete; I'm just waiting for someone to send the few remaining pictures I need to make them complete. I have also started on the passenger car pages; the New Haven and Frontiersman pages are done and the Heavyweights pages are in process. Check it out: http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/trains.html --------------------------------- New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC and save big. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39921	From: Dave Ganslein	Date: 4/8/2006
Subject: Cell Phones

Sorry Guys, This came from a reliable source. I'll check this kind of stuff out closer before I offer anymore "helpfull hints" snopes.com is a good source of debunking urban legends. Apologies "Diesel" Dave Portland __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39922	From: jnr59@aol.com	Date: 4/8/2006
Subject: Need some B&O Steam Engine and Caboose S Scale Decals

All, I have a brass Southwind Models I-12 caboose which needs the appropriate decals. Also need a set of decals for my AM Pacific. Please let me know off line if you have (and how much) any or have any ideas. Altenatively, I have some U.P and Pennsy S scale decals to trade. Thanks, Jack Riely [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39923	From: Robert Graves	Date: 4/8/2006
Subject: 48023 Santa Fe merger GP-9

I usually go by the TM Guide in shopping for trains but recently bought Greenberg's for comparison purposes because so many people go by it. TM says the 48023 Santa Fe merger GP-9 is so rare that it doesn't list a price, but Greenberg's says $250, which is right in the range of all the other GPs, and is a lot lower than the 48007 BN. Which book is out to lunch? Any comments or possible explanations of the discrepancy? --------------------------------- How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger’s low PC-to-Phone call rates. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39924	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 4/8/2006
Subject: Sunday Chat, 4/9/2006, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 39925	From: trainnut2us	Date: 4/8/2006
Subject: Coupler conversion

Has any one tried to or has converted the Af Mikado engine to Kadee couplers? And if you did how did you do it and how does it run with kadee's. Jim Siverling

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39926	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 4/8/2006
Subject: Re: Lionel's SD-9 engines and the earlier GP-7 engines

see below Thank you Larry Jackman ljack70117@... On Apr 8, 2006, at 4:13 PM, Robert Graves wrote: > I am working on the Gallery page for the GP series of engines > > http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/engines-GP- > Series.html > > and have run into three questions: > > 1. I see two SD-9 engines in Lionel's 2005 catalog. To me, they > look for all the world like a GP-7. Are they different? Can > anyone explain the differences? > Lionel used there GP body and put a six wheel truck under it and called it a SD > 2. I've heard the term "Geep." Is that a generic name for the GP > series (7, 9, and 20)? > There was a GP20 built for the prototype. They were Turbocharged GP18 with some differences. > 3. I seem to recall a message many months ago saying the the > GP-20 was a figment of Lionel's imagination, that no such engine > was ever built on the real railroads. Do I recall correctly? I'm > going to search the archives and see if I can find it. Any help > would be appreciated. > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39927	From: Charles E. Smith	Date: 4/8/2006
Subject: Re: Lionel's SD-9 engines and the earlier GP-7 engines

See below: Chuck Smith, On matters of style swim with the current. On matters of substance stand like a rock. Thos. Jefferson (may be paraphrased) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Graves" <theupstairstrain@...> To: "s-trains list" <s-trains@...> Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2006 4:13 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Lionel's SD-9 engines and the earlier GP-7 engines > I am working on the Gallery page for the GP series of engines > > http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/engines-GP-Series.html > > and have run into three questions: > > 1. I see two SD-9 engines in Lionel's 2005 catalog. To me, they look for all the world like a GP-7. Are they different? Can anyone explain the differences? The SDs have 6 wheel (or simulated 6 wheel) trucks. > > 2. I've heard the term "Geep." Is that a generic name for the GP series (7, 9, and 20)? That comes from "GP" > > 3. I seem to recall a message many months ago saying the the GP-20 was a figment of Lionel's imagination, that no such engine was ever built on the real railroads. Do I recall correctly? I'm going to search the archives and see if I can find it. Any help would be appreciated. Don't know. Never heard that it wasn't. It was meant to show a low hood and it's a GP something. > > The freight car pages of the Gallery are now essentially complete; I'm just waiting for someone to send the few remaining pictures I need to make them complete. I have also started on the passenger car pages; the New Haven and Frontiersman pages are done and the Heavyweights pages are in process. > > Check it out: http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/trains.html > > > > --------------------------------- > New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC and save big. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39928	From: Charles E. Smith	Date: 4/8/2006
Subject: Re: Lionel's SD-9 engines and the earlier GP-7 engines

The GP 20 is shown at this link: http://archive.trainpix.com/BN/EMDORIG/GP20/2060B.HTM Chuck Smith, On matters of style swim with the current. On matters of substance stand like a rock. Thos. Jefferson (may be paraphrased) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Graves" <theupstairstrain@...> To: "s-trains list" <s-trains@...> Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2006 4:13 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Lionel's SD-9 engines and the earlier GP-7 engines > I am working on the Gallery page for the GP series of engines > > http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/engines-GP-Series.html > > and have run into three questions: > > 1. I see two SD-9 engines in Lionel's 2005 catalog. To me, they look for all the world like a GP-7. Are they different? Can anyone explain the differences? > > 2. I've heard the term "Geep." Is that a generic name for the GP series (7, 9, and 20)? > > 3. I seem to recall a message many months ago saying the the GP-20 was a figment of Lionel's imagination, that no such engine was ever built on the real railroads. Do I recall correctly? I'm going to search the archives and see if I can find it. Any help would be appreciated. > > The freight car pages of the Gallery are now essentially complete; I'm just waiting for someone to send the few remaining pictures I need to make them complete. I have also started on the passenger car pages; the New Haven and Frontiersman pages are done and the Heavyweights pages are in process. > > Check it out: http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/trains.html > > > > --------------------------------- > New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC and save big. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39929	From: Don Thompson	Date: 4/8/2006
Subject: Re: Need some B&O Steam Engine and Caboose S Scale Decals

Dear Jack, CDS has B&O steam dry transfers in imt. gold. They also have Boxcar sets that could be used in a pich for your I-12 caboose. Best, Don jnr59@... wrote: >All, > >I have a brass Southwind Models I-12 caboose which needs the appropriate >decals. Also need a set of decals for my AM Pacific. Please let me know off line >if you have (and how much) any or have any ideas. Altenatively, I have some >U.P and Pennsy S scale decals to trade. > >Thanks, > >Jack Riely > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >Enjoy thousands of great photos >at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39930	From: Mike Rosz	Date: 4/8/2006
Subject: Re: Sunday Chat, 4/9/2006, 8:00 pm

8:00 p.m. in what time zone tried last Sunday or maybe before as I am central DAYLIGHT time zone On 8 AP 2006 23:56:04 -0000 Strains@yahoogroups.com writes: Strains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://Subcategory/albums/model rail Reminder from the Calendar of S-Trains Sunday Chat Sunday April 9, 2006 8:00 pm - 11:00 pm This event repeats every week. The next reminder for this event will be sent in 23 hours, 4 minutes. Event Location: http://s-scale.org/forum/ Street: http://s-scale.org/forum/ Notes: http://s-scale.org/forum/ ADVERTISEMENT Copyright © 2006 Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved. Privacy Policy - Terms of Service YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "S-Trains" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39931	From: Robert Graves	Date: 4/8/2006
Subject: Re: Lionel's SD-9 engines and the earlier GP-7 engines

Thanks to all who responded so quickly! As usual, this is the group to go to when you need info. Also, I was gratified to see that everyone sent copies to the list so that everybody got the benefit of the info. It's working! Bob Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> wrote: I am working on the Gallery page for the GP series of engines http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/engines-GP-Series.html and have run into three questions: 1. I see two SD-9 engines in Lionel's 2005 catalog. To me, they look for all the world like a GP-7. Are they different? Can anyone explain the differences? 2. I've heard the term "Geep." Is that a generic name for the GP series (7, 9, and 20)? 3. I seem to recall a message many months ago saying the the GP-20 was a figment of Lionel's imagination, that no such engine was ever built on the real railroads. Do I recall correctly? I'm going to search the archives and see if I can find it. Any help would be appreciated. The freight car pages of the Gallery are now essentially complete; I'm just waiting for someone to send the few remaining pictures I need to make them complete. I have also started on the passenger car pages; the New Haven and Frontiersman pages are done and the Heavyweights pages are in process. Check it out: http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/trains.html --------------------------------- New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC and save big. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Love cheap thrills? Enjoy PC-to-Phone calls to 30+ countries for just 2¢/min with Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39932	From: Phil K	Date: 4/9/2006
Subject: Re: Lionel's SD-9 engines and the earlier GP-7 engines

>>> 3. I seem to recall a message many months ago saying the the GP- 20 was a figment of Lionel's imagination, that no such engine was ever built on the real railroads. Do I recall correctly? I'm going to search the archives and see if I can find it. Any help would be appreciated.<<< There are a couple of GP20s that work the BNSF yard at Eola outside Chicago. Once in awhile, they'll take a small manifest freight out and do some car exchanges on industrial sidings. They are still in BN paint. There is also a GP9 in blue and yellow Santa Fe paint that hangs around that same yard. Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39933	From: Bill Porter	Date: 4/9/2006
Subject: Lionel Magnet Crane - Any Experience?

Howdy Friends, Yesterday, I was helping a friend of mine who has a 3-rail O gauge layout. On it he has a new Lionel Magnet Crane. It runs smoothly and quietly in all directions (unlike the older versions that had e-units and made noise enough to raise the dead). I measured the operator's door and found it to be very close to 6 feet in S-Scale. Does anyone have any first-hand experience in using one of these things on an S-Gauge layout? Please share your experiences. Bill Porter Loxahatchee [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39934	From: Bill Porter	Date: 4/9/2006
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Lionel Magnet Crane - Any Experience?

Thanks Roy. There are two cranes. The 165 looks like tinplate. The 282R looks more like the real thing. It is the 282R that I measured. Bill Porter Loxahatchee -----Original Message----- From: Roy Inman [mailto:rinphoto@...] Sent: Sunday, April 09, 2006 2:28 PM To: Bill Porter; s-scale@yahoogroups.com; S-TRAINS@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Lionel Magnet Crane - Any Experience? Bill, it all depends upon your tolerance for something that has such a tinplate look. I know that it is a terrific attraction for visitors to an S layout. Since I am a hi-scaler, it fits perfectly with my effort: scale-like trains with a combination of operating accessories for the fun of it (and to amuse the grands) and enough scenery details, kit and scratch-built stuff to keep me intrigued for more time than I have to play with it. Roy Inman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39935	From: Roy Inman	Date: 4/9/2006
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Lionel Magnet Crane - Any Experience?

Bill, it all depends upon your tolerance for something that has such a tinplate look. I know that it is a terrific attraction for visitors to an S layout. Since I am a hi-scaler, it fits perfectly with my effort: scale-like trains with a combination of operating accessories for the fun of it (and to amuse the grands) and enough scenery details, kit and scratch-built stuff to keep me intrigued for more time than I have to play with it. Roy Inman ww.unionstationphotos.com > From: Bill Porter <wpporter@...> > Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2006 12:56:34 -0400 > To: s-scale@yahoogroups.com, S-TRAINS@yahoogroups.com > Subject: {S-Scale List} Lionel Magnet Crane - Any Experience? > > > > > Yesterday, I was helping a friend of mine who has a 3-rail O gauge layout. > On it he has a new Lionel Magnet Crane. It runs smoothly and quietly in all > directions (unlike the older versions that had e-units and made noise enough > to raise the dead). I measured the operator's door and found it to be very > close to 6 feet in S-Scale. > > > > Does anyone have any first-hand experience in using one of these things on > an S-Gauge layout? Please share your experiences. > > > > Bill Porter > > Loxahatchee

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39936	From: ken garber	Date: 4/9/2006
Subject: Re: Geeps

On 9 Apr 2006 18:35:26 -0000, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com < S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > > 2. I've heard the term "Geep." Is that a generic name for the GP series > (7, 9, and 20)? Correct, Geep is a 'word' for GP which supposedly stands for General Purpose. SD stands for Special Duty. The trailing number generally stood for the horsepower (+/- a couple of hundred) but there were many exceptions. I seem to recall GE's U (boat) series stood for Universal. Ken [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39937	From: Russ and Beth Rawling	Date: 4/9/2006
Subject: Lionel Magnet Crane - Any Experience?

I have been using the triple action gantry crane on my s-gauge layout along with the culvert loader and unloader. My son has lots of fun moving the culvert pieces and erector pieces between gondolas and a flatbed truck with the crane . Although I put s-gauge trucks on the Lionel gondola, the flyer gondolas work fine (culvert loader/unloader) by putting a piece of plastic somewhat tapered in the gilbert or flyonel gondola. It is close enough in size for me and those 3 pieces provide a lot of play value for my son. Russ Rawling Camillus, NY rrawling@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39938	From: mlmarmer	Date: 4/9/2006
Subject: E-Z Dabber Precision Applicator by E-Z Mix

http://ezmix.com/dabber.htm About a year ago on either the TCA or S-List someone gave a website for this product in use in touch up painting. I would like to thank that person, as I saved the website and I finally got around to order some of that product. I have some of these dabbers from a autotouch up paint website, but they where charging 75 cents each for these. I went to the dabber website and they gave me a toll free number to call for a supplier of their product. I ordered 2 tubes of dabbers, 40 for $8.99, total invoice was about 19 dollars with the postage. I ordered on Wednesday and they arrived on Friday. I am using these for my autos, but I would think they would be great on any type of precise painting, touch up, you need to do on trains. Now, I am waiting for the fresh shipment of touch up paint to come in for my cars, as I have found a site, that makes touch up paint for your car, if that paint is not longer in auto stores. Mike Marmer

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39939	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 4/9/2006
Subject: Sunday Chat, 4/9/2006, 8:00 pm

Reminder from the Calendar of S-Trains Sunday Chat Sunday April 9, 2006 8:00 pm - 11:00 pm This event repeats every week. Event Location: http://s-scale.org/forum/ Street: http://s-scale.org/forum/ Notes: http://s-scale.org/forum/ ADVERTISEMENT Copyright ©  2006  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved. Privacy Policy - Terms of Service

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39940	From: David Dewey	Date: 4/9/2006
Subject: GP locos, especiall GP20

This has been an interesting thread, especially the GP20 question, as I repainted the first production GP20, WP2001.( http://www.wplives.org/WPRM_Home/Equipment_Roster/Locomotives/WP2001GP20/WP_2001_Reb_Stout_thumb_2.jpg ) GP20s came in high and low nose. The major difference between GP and SD locos is the GP rides on four wheel trucks, SD's on six wheel trucks. There are differences in body panels, louver locations, dimensions, etc. Quite likely ACG would have ignored some of that, Fyonel certainly did! Detailed body molds are expensive! S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39941	From: Phil K	Date: 4/9/2006
Subject: Train vs. Semi, train wins

Video at: http://www.dumpalink.com/media/1132916301/Trains_Smashes_Into_Truck

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39942	From: flyerbuddy	Date: 4/9/2006
Subject: lift bridge help

Some time ago there were pictures and instructions on building a lift bridge to enter the inside of a layout. I have been unable to find them in the pictures section or the files. Can anyone remember who posted them or where I can find them? The one as I remember it was mounted on a hinge. Thought I saved it but I guess I didn't. Any help appreciated. Buddy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39943	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 4/10/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 3022

In a message dated 4/10/2006 2:38:53 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes: Message: 9 Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 01:08:48 -0000 From: "flyerbuddy" <rodder@...> Subject: lift bridge help Buddy, I built one a few years ago for our club layout. If I can locate the photos, I'll send them to you. Carlton [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39944	From: jayhoo64	Date: 4/10/2006
Subject: Re: Lionel's SD-9 engines and the earlier GP-7 engines

According to Model Railroader's "cyclopedia", some 260 GP20s were built from 1959 to 1963. Most had low noses, but GN and WP ordered some with high noses. The GP20 has the same overall dimensions as the GP7, but differs in a few not-so-subtle aspects relating to fans, grills, side skirting, and a couple other things, most notably the large single exhaust stack indicating the presence of a turbocharger. Flyonel's "GP20" possesses NONE of these aspects. It is simply a low-nosed GP7. Chuck F.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39945	From: Rick Evans	Date: 4/10/2006
Subject: "How do YOU read posts from S-Trains?" Poll

Vote at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/polls If ya have a minute to spare. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39946	From: Al	Date: 4/10/2006
Subject: Smoke Unit for GP-9

Does anyone know the person who posted a file in the Files section showing a Milwaukee S-Gauge GP-9 engine with smoke pouring out the double stacks on top? His e-mail no longer works. I would be interested in talking with him if he is still on this list using a different e-mail address. Al Rawdon Layton, Utah

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39947	From: Rick Evans	Date: 4/10/2006
Subject: Re: Train vs. Semi, train wins

WoW!! That's just a little over two hours from me. I hadn't heard about it. When did this happen? And were camera crews there waiting just to film the accident? Rick. Video at: http://www.dumpalink.com/media/1132916301/Trains_Smashes_Into_Truck [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39948	From: Robert Graves	Date: 4/10/2006
Subject: Re: lift bridge help

That message was from: "Phil K" <waldootten@...> Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2005 19:44:43 I still have the message, but the link is now broken, of course. flyerbuddy <rodder@...> wrote: Some time ago there were pictures and instructions on building a lift bridge to enter the inside of a layout. I have been unable to find them in the pictures section or the files. Can anyone remember who posted them or where I can find them? The one as I remember it was mounted on a hinge. Thought I saved it but I guess I didn't. Any help appreciated. Buddy S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger’s low PC-to-Phone call rates. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39949	From: Robert E. Yablonski	Date: 4/10/2006
Subject: Tie plates

Does anyone know where I can buy tie plates for code 100 rail (SHS). Robert E. Yablonski

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39950	From: Roy Inman	Date: 4/10/2006
Subject: Re: Smoke Unit for GP-9

Al, are you sure that was done in camera, or post-production in Photoshop? I did not see the photo, so I have no reference point. But I sure have made lots of smoke after the fact... Roy Inman www.unionstationphotos.com > From: Al <alsflyer@...> > Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 22:39:15 +0000 > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] Smoke Unit for GP-9 > > Does anyone know the person who posted a file in the Files section > showing a Milwaukee S-Gauge GP-9 engine with smoke pouring out the > double stacks on top? His e-mail no longer works. I would be > interested in talking with him if he is still on this list using a > different e-mail address. > > Al Rawdon > Layton, Utah > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39951	From: Bob Tufts	Date: 4/10/2006
Subject: Re: York Arrangements

All - The Holiday Inn Billy Budd is open Monday as well. Most of the inside dealers are showing up in the early afternoon, so there could be some scrandling for special items. Also opening this year is the Valencia Ball Room where the Lionel dealers from the Reliance have moved. Don't know how good it will be, but it will match the Reliance meet opening on Sunday through Wednesday. - Bob Tufts ----- Original Message ----- From: "RCESpeak" <rcespeak@...> To: "S-Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 2:38 PM Subject: [S-Trains] York Arrangements > Hello Fellow Yorkies, > > It's time to put the finishing touches on your York plans and here is a > menu from which to choose: > > 04/17 Monday > > I am aware of only one train venue open this day and it will be a good > one. > The Reliance Fire Hall will be much more heavily populated with S > sellers this year. It is located at 1341 W. Market Street. You can spend > the better part of this first day of bandit meets at the Reliance . > > No dinner is scheduled this evening as many folks are still arriving. > > 04/18 Tuesday > > All bandit meets are open this day. For the newbies attending their first > York, the bandit meets are at the Reliance Fire Hall, the Holiday Inn on > Carlisle north of Rt. 30 (Holidome), the Holiday Inn on the south side of > Rt. 30 just East of I 83 (Billy Budd) and the Best Western parking lot on > The north side of Rt. 30 behind Ruby Tuesdays. > > Dinner this evening is at the Roosevelt Tavern, 400 W. Philadelphia St. > Phone is (717-854-7725). Reservations are for 7:00 PM and are made in > my name. Going east on Rt. 30, turn left at Roosevelt Ave. At the end, > bear right onto Penn St., and make an immediate right into the Tavern > parking lot. > > 04/19 Wednesday > > This is a big day with lots happening. The bandit meets are open. The > National Toy Train Museum has its open house from 10:00 AM - 6:00 > PM. There is a detailed schedule of events as well as driving directions > in your TCA York newsletter on page 8. > > Toy Trains Unlimited has an open house in October but not in the > Spring. They do, however, have tons of postwar and Flyonel American > Flyer as well as SHS and American Models. It is located at 28 York > St., Hanover, PA a mere 30 minute drive South of York on Rt. 83. > Phone is (717) 637-4717. > > We have reservations at Alexander's at 6:30 PM. It is located at 840 > Carlisle Rd. (717) 846-1041. At the Carlisle exit off Rt. 30, turn left > at the light at the end of the exit ramp. Alexander's is on the right > about > a half of a mile up the road. > > 04/20 Thursday > > The bandit meets are closed and this is the first day at the Fairgrounds. > It opens at noon. Member halls close at 5:30 PM and dealer halls close > at 7:00 PM. > > The Gilbert Get Together this year has a new start time. It is 8:00 PM. > We are located back at the Bridgeton Center which is next to the Days > Inn located at 222 Arsenal Rd. (Rt. 30). The Days Inn is behind the > Round the Clock Diner. Clay has informed me that he will be checking > out alternative locations for the Get Together for October as the room > rental rate at the Bridgeton has more than doubled this year. So expect > a change in venue for October. If you have any suggestions, you can > e-mail Clay at clay@... This is 'our' main 'S' event so ya'll > come to the Get Together. There will be an S-Trains photo op as a > group immediately following the event. > > Because of the staggered closing times at the Fairgrounds and the > Gilbert Get Together, there are no dinner reservations this evening. > So you are on your own. > > There is also an open house of the Glen Rock Fire Department layouts > from 7:00 PM to 9:00 PM. They have 4 layouts including a 16' x 32' > American Flyer layout that is reported to be wonderful. The layouts are > located in the library building at 32 Main St., Glen Rock, PA. This is a > 15 minute ride from the Fairgrounds south on Rt. 83. You can get > directions > from the web site at http://www.grfd.org > > 04/21 Friday > > On Friday the halls open at 9:00 AM and again have staggered closings > of 5:30 PM for member halls and 7:00 PM for dealer halls. > > Our dinner is scheduled for 7:00 PM at the Olive Garden at 1340 Kenneth > Rd. (717) 845-2264. Kenneth Rd. is about 1 ½ miles West of I 83. There > is a light at the intersection of Rt. 30 and Kenneth Rd. Turn left onto > Kenneth Rd. and the Olive Garden in on your right. Since they do not > take reservations (although they know we are arriving), I will arrive at > 6:00 PM to set us up. As is now becoming customary, anyone wishing > to get there a bit early for dinner can join me at the restaurant's > watering > hole while we wait for our table. > > 04/22 Saturday > > No scheduled activities for Saturday except for trains. The halls at the > Fairgrounds open at 9:00 AM and close at 2:00 PM. > > So there is the schedule. Please try to join us at as many of the events > as you can. We have such fun and it is always nice to meet new as > well as returning members of the list. > > Remember no cameras nor cell phones are allowed to be used in the > halls. If this is your first York experience, I recommend reading Clem > Clement's York prime. www.tcamembers.org/articles/tca/primer/index.html > > Also, don't forget to wear your S-Trains badge as well as your York badge. > It can be found at: http://trainweb.org/s-trains/badge/s_badge.htm or the > one Chris Zizzo created at: http://www.freewebs.com/busyboy > > One last item. You can check out the forecasted weather for York by going > to www.weatherchannel.com and typing in the zip code of 17404. But no > matter what they say, bring a warm sweater or jacket and make sure it is > one > I can borrow. My Florida circulatory system can't handle anything below 68 > degrees. > > Safe travels and see ya'll at York. .... Barb > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39952	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 4/11/2006
Subject: MOTORS

Has anyone had any dealings with a motor made by Mabuchi? I bought 2 on E-Bay #6049097889 I took a shot in the dark on these &wondered if anyone has even heard of them. Thank in advance, Mike PS: Please post answer to the group ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39953	From: Phil K	Date: 4/11/2006
Subject: Re: lift bridge help

The photos of the lift bridge I designed disappeared (and so did the link) when Paul's server suffered its catastrophic crash earlier this year. I will look for them and repost to my new album. When that's done, it will be announced here. Phil K ************************************************************** --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> wrote: > > That message was from: > > "Phil K" <waldootten@...> > Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2005 19:44:43 > I still have the message, but the link is now broken, of course. > > > > flyerbuddy <rodder@...> wrote: > Some time ago there were pictures and instructions on building a > lift bridge to enter the inside of a layout. I have been unable to find > them in the pictures section or the files. Can anyone remember who > posted them or where I can find them? > The one as I remember it was mounted on a hinge. Thought I saved it > but I guess I didn't. Any help appreciated. > > > Buddy > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39954	From: charlie and edith	Date: 4/11/2006
Subject: Swap

Greetings! Looking for a 642, in red plastic, can be the box or refrigerator car, in Excellent condition. Have a NIB, Nickle Plate Refrigeratr Car # 48807 to swap for the above. Please let me know, off list, If we can "make a deal". Thanks and best wishes, Charlie [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39955	From: George Cohn	Date: 4/11/2006
Subject: Re: MOTORS

anormal1@... wrote: > Has anyone had any dealings with a motor made by Mabuchi? I bought 2 on E-Bay > #6049097889 I took a shot in the dark on these &wondered if anyone has even > heard of them. Thank in advance, Mike > PS: Please post answer to the group They made most of the better slot car motors during the late 60's. George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39956	From: Bill Porter	Date: 4/11/2006
Subject: Re: MOTORS

Howdy Folks, Brother Cohn is correct about the slot car motors. I rewound many of them. Mabuchi makes lots and lots of motors. They make many models, types and sizes. Some are designed to be as cheap (as in low-cost) as possible. Others are designed for precision or for power. What sort did you get? The picture shows an open-frame, universal motor that is supposed to be an American Flyer replacement. I suspect it is either an after market service piece or is a motor supplied by Mabuchi to meet the specs of the owners of the American Flyer brand name. I would expect the performance to be similar to the performance of original American Flyer equipment. Certainly, it will not be similar to the can motor upgrades we can get now. If you need a replacement for a broken motor, you got the right sort of thing at an attractive price. Let us all know how it works out for you. Later, Bill Bill Porter Loxahatchee -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of anormal1@... Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 11:55 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] MOTORS Has anyone had any dealings with a motor made by Mabuchi? I bought 2 on E-Bay #6049097889 I took a shot in the dark on these &wondered if anyone has even heard of them. Thank in advance, Mike PS: Please post answer to the group ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39957	From: Roy Inman	Date: 4/11/2006
Subject: Re: MOTORS

They also make electric model airplane motors that are pretty good. Roy Inman www.unionstationphotos.com > From: George Cohn <gwcohn@...> > Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 11:05:15 -0700 > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] MOTORS > > anormal1@... wrote: >> Has anyone had any dealings with a motor made by Mabuchi? I bought 2 on E-Bay >> #6049097889 I took a shot in the dark on these &wondered if anyone has even >> heard of them. Thank in advance, Mike >> PS: Please post answer to the group > > They made most of the better slot car motors during the late 60's. > > George Cohn > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39958	From: Trains	Date: 4/11/2006
Subject: Re: Mabuchi motor

Question:> Has anyone had any dealings with a motor made by Mabuchi? I bought 2 on E-Bay > #6049097889 I took a shot in the dark on these &wondered if anyone has even > heard of them. Thank in advance, Mike Re: Mabuchi motors... they are a firm that has been in the motor business for a loooong time. They are generally considered good quality motors. Most modelers are familiar with the brand name...they are especially well liked in RC electric cars and planes ....some of these motors suck the amps big time and run at 30,000 rpm or more. very high performance...some run on batteries at 1.5 v and some are set up for gear reduction drives for props... they can be as small as 1/4 dia or up to ...welll who knows...big. You might try contacting Mabuchi and see if they have a website reference for motors? The real problem is to know what you got and what voltage it is designed to work on and what application it is intended for...almost all these motors today are can style and may be expensive rare-earth, corless etc. If you happen to have an old open frame and/or field wound motor then I can't help you... the "old" motors are usually to inefficient and to fool with. For S gauge and if you are looking for DC motors to replace AF there are several kits -assemblies with and without gear reduction for about $30 to 60 available from a number of hobby shops and listed supply houses for S. This is what I would recomend you use for an AF remotoring job. Also they make conversions for most AF diesel engines as well.(a real good thing for the Baldwin switcher). If you want to run on AC with a DC motor then add a rectifier per numerous diagrams available in how to's (various web sites and manuals). If you need more specific info contact me. Peter Loeb ----- Original Message ----- From: <anormal1@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 8:54 PM Subject: [S-Trains] MOTORS [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39959	From: Rick Evans	Date: 4/11/2006
Subject: Reading posts on the S-trains list.

Some who have been on the list for a while, remember the days, BEFORE Yahoo, when you could read the posts at the site by just scrolling down through the posts. It sure saved a lot of clicking on seperate posts! I kinda miss the old days. Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39960	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 4/11/2006
Subject: Re: Reading posts on the S-trains list.

You still can Thank you Larry Jackman ljack70117@... On Apr 11, 2006, at 5:04 PM, Rick Evans wrote: > Some who have been on the list for a while, remember the days, > BEFORE Yahoo, > when you could read the posts at the site by just scrolling down > through the posts. > It sure saved a lot of clicking on seperate posts! > > I kinda miss the old days. > > Rick. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39961	From: Phil K	Date: 4/11/2006
Subject: Re: Reading posts on the S-trains list.

You can still do that at the Yahoo site, Rick. Where is says VIEW at the top left, click on "Expanded" and you'll get a list of full posts that you can scroll through. You can also choose to read them either in the order in which they were posted or by topic (thread). Phil K ************************************************************* --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Evans" <bassflyer@...> wrote: > > Some who have been on the list for a while, remember the days, BEFORE Yahoo, > when you could read the posts at the site by just scrolling down through the posts. > It sure saved a lot of clicking on seperate posts! > > I kinda miss the old days. > > Rick. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39962	From: George Cohn	Date: 4/11/2006
Subject: Re: Reading posts on the S-trains list.

Rick Evans wrote: > Some who have been on the list for a while, remember the days, BEFORE Yahoo, > when you could read the posts at the site by just scrolling down through the posts. > It sure saved a lot of clicking on seperate posts! > > I kinda miss the old days. > > Rick. > I'm kinda a geek, but a very old geek. ;-) I prefer e-mail over web based partially because I'm the list admin for a group of folks that collect the old Jaguar e-type (XK-E) automobiles. I use the filters and such to sort incoming mails to different folders. IE: personal, e-type, S-Gauge, etc. I can click on a subject and follow all the threads relating to that topic before moving on to something else. Just FYI, I use Thunderbird for e-mail and Firefox for a browser. I have a degree in Unix networking and prefer the various version of *ix over Winblows although I do have one machine that runs XP pro that I use primarily for receiving mail. The other 3 machines here run Debian Linux and do service as web servers, a Tivo-like clone, and a VOIP phone system. George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39963	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 4/11/2006
Subject: Re;MOTORS

I have to agree with the rest of the gang about Mabuchi can motors. Most Americans became aware of can motors in general and Mabuchi in particular during the slot car craze of the sixties. Most of the slot car makers used Mabuchi can motors in their cars(under their own name of course)which we racers pulled out and replaced with "real" Mabuchi motors. There were many, many variations of Mabuchi can motors marketed under their own and other names, and before long other Japanese motor manufacturers jumped on the bandwagon. Today good can motors are common and availible for many different purposes, but that's the rub. Do you know what you have? Do you want high speed, high torque motors for slot cars or R/C cars? Do you want low drain motors popular for electric R/C airplanes? What voltage or amperage do you want? How long? What diameter? The possibilities are endless! But Mabuchi was always considered the best. By the way, for replacing American Flyer motors with can motors, my vote goes to the SnS Trains can motor conversion which I've used several times. Stumpy Stone...oops, I just fessed up to being one of those evil slot car fanatics in the sixties!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39964	From: Bill Frazier	Date: 4/11/2006
Subject: Re: Mabuchi moters

From: "anormal1@..." anormal1@... Date: Tue Apr 11, 2006 10:38am(PDT) Subject: MOTORS Has anyone had any dealings with a motor made by Mabuchi? I bought 2 on E-Bay #6049097889 I took a shot in the dark on these &wondered if anyone has even heard of them. Thank in advance, Mike PS: Please post answer to the group ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 Mabuchi is one of the largest manufacturers of electric motors in the world. American Models uses Mabuchi can motors in some of their locomotives. A couple of Bristol club members have used the can motors to repower Flyer steam engines. Bill Frazier [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39965	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 4/11/2006
Subject: Re: Re;MOTORS

There isn't much out there today that doesn't have a mabuchi motor in it. They make Millions of them every year for just about anything that requires an electric motor, especially in miniature like LTI trains. Fred [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39966	From: Rick Evans	Date: 4/11/2006
Subject: Re: Reading posts on the S-trains list.

***(((You can still do that at the Yahoo site, Rick. Where is says VIEW at the top left, click on "Expanded" and you'll get a list of full posts that you can scroll through. You can also choose to read them either in the order in which they were posted or by topic (thread).)))*** True. However, those are only post/thread headings. You still have to click on each post to read. The OLD way, you just scrolled from post to post reading as ya went. Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39967	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 4/11/2006
Subject: Re: Re;MOTORS

These electric motors are jumping by leaps and bounds..... RC flights of 30 minutes are not uncommon..... and with gearing 1/3 full size electrics are flying now.... I have a set of plans for a 120" B-36 bomber for RC...... imagine trying to start 6 gas motors!!!!! But with these motors... just switch on the engines and apply power...... and they are really getting cheeper 2..... Bob

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39968	From: Rick Evans	Date: 4/11/2006
Subject: Re: Reading posts on the S-trains list.

I stand/sit corrected!!!! It's been a while since I read at the site, I had forgotten about the "expanded" thingie!! Wow! It's like Christmas all over! :^) Rick. ***(((You can still do that at the Yahoo site, Rick. Where is says VIEW at the top left, click on "Expanded" and you'll get a list of full posts that you can scroll through. You can also choose to read them either in the order in which they were posted or by topic (thread).)))*** True. However, those are only post/thread headings. You still have to click on each post to read. The OLD way, you just scrolled from post to post reading as ya went. Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39969	From: Robert Graves	Date: 4/11/2006
Subject: Re: 48023 Santa Fe merger GP-9

I commend your integrity! There are still some good men left. The temptation to grab it must have been terrible. Michael Thomas <amfl336@...> wrote: Hello Robert, I finally saw one of the Santa Fe merger GP-9s at a train show in Batavia, NY on Sunday. A gentleman had it as part of a large lot he had recently purchased. Had it priced at $275. I told him it might be worth more than that because it is considered rare in some books, like TM. He said he would save it for York. I think he said he would be in the Blue Hall, his name was Joe McClocsky(sp). Regards, Mike --------------------------------- Love cheap thrills? Enjoy PC-to-Phone calls to 30+ countries for just 2¢/min with Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39970	From: Doug Peck	Date: 4/11/2006
Subject: Re: Smoke Unit for GP-9

I don't know whose photo that was, BUT one of the guys in the Bristol Club has done this with his GP.....quite a sight at shows when it's running on the layout !!!! It belongs to Tommy Robichaud, President of the Bristol Club. <<<< Does anyone know the person who posted a file in the Files section showing a Milwaukee S-Gauge GP-9 engine with smoke pouring out the double stacks on top? His e-mail no longer works. I would be interested in talking with him if he is still on this list using a different e-mail address. >>>> Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: http://www.portlines.com E-mail: doug@... VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39971	From: Mike Rosz	Date: 4/11/2006
Subject: 653 wanted R or G buy or trade

I would like a combine car for my layout, actually just an oval. I know I cannot afourd a E or VG+ not sure but maybe a G. nothing else I have except maybe 2 engines are even close to an E.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39972	From: Phil K	Date: 4/11/2006
Subject: Flyonel Christmas cars are posted in online catalog

Click on: http://www.lionel.com and click on the Christmas artwork on the upper right. The American Flyer offerings (four) are mixed in with the O27 and G gauge stuff -- but the catalog's only a few pages, easy to view. New for 2006 Christmas are a caboose, a boxcar, a candy-cane dump car and a Christmas docksider. From the suggested retail prices, it looks like Lionel knows many of us are collecting all of these in the series and will automatically buy one or two of each. Historically, several of the Flyonel Christmas cars have increased exponentially in value in a relatively short period of time. Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39973	From: race944t	Date: 4/11/2006
Subject: Gilbert Get Together

I'm going to miss ya'll at the Gilbert Get Together. My new bank's first annual meeting is 2 PM on Thursday. You would have thought I would have checked the York date before planning it. I probably won't arrive until about 3AM Friday morning. I had a couple of neat things to bring to get your opinion on. First was a really nice 1946 "Brass Button" 300 with only "READING" stamped on the tender. The tender lettering is just all caps and very small and plain. The lettering is only abut 1 1/2" in length and 1/8" tall. It is an early model with the separate trailing truck not part of the drawbar. It has the thin shank coupler. Next was a totally unlettered (935) caboose. It is Tuscan painted, but all the yellow numbering, lettering & grab handles are unpainted on both sides. I'll be at Blue K-21 if you want to stop by and see how much I can cram onto a six foot table. Bill Clark (Banker Bill)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39974	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 4/11/2006
Subject: Re: Reading posts... The Good ole daze... Does Rick play acoustic?

George, I bet you are probably one of those folks who use open office... :>) You may find the following link amusing: http://www.cio.com/archive/040106/opensource.html?source=cioinsider Keep MS Bill at bay... I bet Rick still plays his electric Guitar (instead of the good old acoustic).... No complaining about modern tech when it comes to the Guitar... :>) Any of you S-Folks like me.... Can't wait for MS Longhorn to come out this fall...I wonder if we'll ever see MS software as control systems in our newer intelligent train systems? The group would degrade to a discussion of overcoming virus problems just to get things to run.... :>) old geek - is this an oxymoron?.... Please in the future use the PC preferred "age challenged sagious expert" Keep training and computing... Scott Dee Rick Evans wrote: Some who have been on the list for a while, remember the days, BEFORE Yahoo, when you could read the posts at the site by just scrolling down through the posts. It sure saved a lot of clicking on seperate posts! I kinda miss the old days. Rick. I'm kinda a geek, but a very old geek. ;-) I prefer e-mail over web based partially because I'm the list admin for a group of folks that collect the old Jaguar e-type (XK-E) automobiles. I use the filters and such to sort incoming mails to different folders. IE: personal, e-type, S-Gauge, etc. I can click on a subject and follow all the threads relating to that topic before moving on to something else. Just FYI, I use Thunderbird for e-mail and Firefox for a browser. I have a degree in Unix networking and prefer the various version of *ix over Winblows although I do have one machine that runs XP pro that I use primarily for receiving mail. The other 3 machines here run Debian Linux and do service as web servers, a Tivo-like clone, and a VOIP phone system. George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39975	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 4/12/2006
Subject: Re: Flyonel Christmas Boxcar - What's going on?

Phil K This has to be the ugliest Christmas car I've ever seen? The Black door is hideous... what's happen at Flyonel? Anyone else think this black door is pretty bad, maybe it's just me? Did they considered marketing a Halloween box car, then changed their minds and had to use the Black doors somewhere else... Black - always the traditional Christmas color and it blends in so well with the rest of the box car colors.... I know that women say that black is never out of style (also makes one look slim - maybe they were thing of that for the O-Gauge Box car)... I thought the S-caboose was really weak compared to the O-gauge one.... And another thing... can't Lionel's art department get rid of the fractal backgrounds in the pictures of items...the light brown fractal background is horrible, distracting and an ugly back drop to display items against... this used to be reserved mostly for s-gauge stuff but know appears in the back drop for O-stuff too.... Could someone in the group offer to teach Lionel how to use graphics software... a child could use Adobe or Corelware and come up with better results.... Well, at least the word "Christmas" is back in use.... But can I run a Christmas Boxcar in a secular Holiday set around my annual holiday tree during the festive holiday celebration season? Scott Dee

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39976	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 4/12/2006
Subject: Re: Mabuchi motor

Mabuchi makes the widest line of motors, they're generally all you want-but they're pretty much a dedicated line and you need to know what the performance intent of your motor is. I have a Q-is there a Franklin can motor conversion? I'd like to have a F that I can hear the Choo-Choo-John Marganski --------------------------------- Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39977	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 4/12/2006
Subject: Re: Mabuchi motor

Mabuchi makes the widest line of motors, they're generally all you want-but they're pretty much a dedicated line and you need to know what the performance intent of your motor is. I have a Q-is there a Franklin can motor conversion? I'd like to have a F that I can hear the Choo-Choo-John Marganski --------------------------------- Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39978	From: Roy Inman	Date: 4/12/2006
Subject: Re: Flyonel Christmas Boxcar - What's going on?

Hey Scott, seems to me you can do anything you want under your own "holiday tree." And yes, the graphics of the current Lionel administration are light years behind those of the 1950's. Those old catalogs were works of art. And now that you mention it, the LAF caboose does not have the same level of detail as the O gauge version. As far as the black doors go, to my eye they look more grey, but at the outcome who knows what color the actual car will be? Remember the infamous "Black Super Chief" that looked for all the world like a Santa Fe F unit in black and red and yellow? K-Line capitalized on that item, which was never produced of course, because it was a graphics error, and made an entire consists of passenger and freight cars in that black color scheme. But in general, I agree: those color schemes of both the box car and caboose are just to gaudy for my taste. Which probably means they will someday be sought-after collectors' items. The Girls Train was shunned by the train buyers of the period, and now one of the originals in mint condition can bring bib bucks. Cheers :) Roy Inman www.uninstationphotos.com > From: Scott Davidson <scottdee25@...> > Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 01:19:27 -0500 > To: 'Phil K' <waldootten@...>, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Flyonel Christmas Boxcar - What's going on? > > But can I run a Christmas Boxcar in a secular Holiday set around my annual > holiday tree during the festive holiday celebration season?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39979	From: Roy Inman	Date: 4/12/2006
Subject: Re: Flyonel Christmas Boxcar - What's going on?

Whoops! Should have said "never produced by LIONEL." K-Line of course, did produce it. Roy > From: Roy Inman <rinphoto@...> > Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 10:17:01 -0500 > To: Scott Davidson <scottdee25@...>, 'Phil K' <waldootten@...>, > S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Flyonel Christmas Boxcar - What's going on? > > Remember the infamous "Black Super Chief" that looked for all the world > like a Santa Fe F unit in black and red and yellow? K-Line capitalized on > that item, which was never produced of course, because it was a graphics > error, and made an entire consists of passenger and freight cars in that > black color scheme.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39980	From: burkhardt1938	Date: 4/12/2006
Subject: Help with a 695 Reverse Loop Kit

I recently acquired a 695 reverse loop kit and tried to connect it for use with a wye. I've rechecked the connections several times, following the directions in a book by Marshall McClintock, and the unit doesn't seem to work properly. In fact, the power to my engines drops to nearly nothing. Has anyone had experience with these units. I don't feel comfortable taking it apart and I wonder if it can be tested to determine if it's working properly. Any help anyone can give would be appreciated. Bill Burkhardt Galesburg, IL 61401

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39981	From: Rick Evans	Date: 4/12/2006
Subject: 2006 AF Christmas Car

Hmmmmmm,............. Not sure I like it. Looks nice, but that BLACK door. Hmmmmm............ http://www.lionel.com/products/ProductNavigator/_ProductImages_590/6-48363_3501.jpg Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39982	From: mlmarmer	Date: 4/12/2006
Subject: Re: 2006 AF Christmas Car

Well, Paint it Red. Mick Jagger ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Evans" <bassflyer@...> To: "STrains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 1:31 PM Subject: [S-Trains] 2006 AF Christmas Car > > Hmmmmmm,............. > Not sure I like it. Looks nice, but that BLACK door. > Hmmmmm............ > > > http://www.lionel.com/products/ProductNavigator/_ProductImages_590/6-48363_3501.jpg > > Rick. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39983	From: Rick Evans	Date: 4/12/2006
Subject: Re: 2006 AF Christmas Car

***((((((Well, Paint it Red.)))))*** Yep! And put on some SHS trucks and it would be a nice lookin' car !!! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39984	From: Scott Holm	Date: 4/12/2006
Subject: Re: 2006 AF Christmas Car

Remember Santa's boots and belt are black! ;) Rick Evans <bassflyer@...> wrote: Hmmmmmm,............. Not sure I like it. Looks nice, but that BLACK door. Hmmmmm............ http://www.lionel.com/products/ProductNavigator/_ProductImages_590/6-48363_3501.jpg Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39985	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 4/12/2006
Subject: YORK MEETINGS

To those going to York...... Barb has set up a great schedule....... In addition I will be at HOSSES near the fairgrounds at 7pm Monday...... join me and any others that show up...... Bob

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39986	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 4/12/2006
Subject: Re: 2006 AF Christmas Car - Who nose...

Reindeer noses too.... well, except for one... Scott Dee Remember Santa's boots and belt are black! ;) Rick Evans <bassflyer@...> wrote: Hmmmmmm,............. Not sure I like it. Looks nice, but that BLACK door. Hmmmmm............

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39987	From: X3C12@aol.com	Date: 4/12/2006
Subject: New E-Mail Address

wmfadamsny@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39988	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 4/12/2006
Subject: Re: 2006 AF Christmas Car - What's the best way to paint a door?

Mike, And devalue a classic Flyonel... I'm nonplussed... but can still type... MMMM... sounds like we need another 'How to best paint my classic tarin car thread".... :>) Scott Dee Well, Paint it Red. Mick Jagger From: "Rick Evans" <bassflyer@...> Hmmmmmm,............. Not sure I like it. Looks nice, but that BLACK door. Hmmmmm............

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39989	From: charlie and edith	Date: 4/12/2006
Subject: Circus Flat Yellow

Greetings! Need suggestions for a current paint that would match , or come close to, the yellow used on the Flyer circus flatcar. Thanks the help, and best wishes, Charlie [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39990	From: JJT	Date: 4/13/2006
Subject: Gription Tires

I have an American Models SD-60 and the 'tread' on the Gription wheels keeps coming off. I was thinking of gluing them on but do not wish to foul up the tire grove with glue. Has anybody tries this and what type of glue would you use?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39991	From: Edward G.	Date: 4/13/2006
Subject: Flyonel Christmas Boxcar - What's going on?

Hummmmmm..when my wife hates it ...I dont think I can buy it ..I hope that you guys forward your comments to Lionel...after all if enough e mails get sent ..maybe someone upstairs will read them ..and might pay attention to what is being said about their products on the chat rooms ..cant hurt

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39992	From: X3C12@aol.com	Date: 4/13/2006
Subject: X3C12's change of E-mail Address

new address is: _wmfadamsny@..._ (mailto:wmfadamsny@...) Thanks! Bill Adams Rochester, NY [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39993	From: Rick Evans	Date: 4/13/2006
Subject: Re: Circus Flat Yellow

****(((((Greetings! Need suggestions for a current paint that would match , or come close to, the yellow used on the Flyer circus flatcar. Thanks the help, and best wishes, Charlie))))**** Charlie, Quite some time ago I painted an old AF boxcar yellow. I just now went out to the garage and found the spray can I used. PREMIUM RUST-OLEUM. Gloss Protective Enamel. It's kinda a close match to my circus coach. Maybe a little brighter yellow. I'll have to find the car and maybe post a pic or two. Ahhh.....I just found a number: 7747 Sunburst Yellow. I'm sure someone here has a better match & paint. I'm not that picky however. Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39994	From: Charles E. Smith	Date: 4/13/2006
Subject: Re: Gription Tires

Why don't you ask AM thru their web site? Click "Send us an email" option on the home page. AM home page URL is: http://www.americanmodels.com/ Ron is pretty good about answering email. Chuck Smith, On matters of style swim with the current. On matters of substance stand like a rock. Thos. Jefferson (may be paraphrased) ----- Original Message ----- From: "JJT" <j.tintera@...> To: "'S-Trains'" <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 2:03 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Gription Tires > I have an American Models SD-60 and the 'tread' on the Gription wheels keeps > coming off. I was thinking of gluing them on but do not wish to foul up the > tire grove with glue. Has anybody tries this and what type of glue would you > use? > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39995	From: mlmarmer	Date: 4/13/2006
Subject: Re: 2006 AF Christmas Car - What's the best way to paint a door?

Scott, I have no idea how Mick Jagger got my email address in that response to Rick! LOL He really likes his doors black, not red, actually, I am told in song. Mike

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39996	From: George Cohn	Date: 4/13/2006
Subject: Re: Circus Flat Yellow

charlie and edith wrote: > Greetings! Need suggestions for a current paint that would match , or come close to, the yellow used on the Flyer circus flatcar. Thanks the help, and best wishes, Charlie > > I've often had the paint store computer match paint for me for various projects. Just need something with the right color on it for them to match. I got a pint of AF bill board green matched up in rustoleum enamel a while back to restore some of the bill boards that I have. Since my other hobby is restoring old sports cars, you find a lot of the tricks of the trade also apply to smaller things like toy trains. George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39997	From: Rhett George	Date: 4/13/2006
Subject: 695 Reverse Loop Kit

- GreetingS - Bill B. asked about a just-completed 695 installation which seems to pull the track voltage down to near zero. My first choice is to review the diagram and be certain that all the turnouts that need to be set to two-train operation are so set. As well, be certain that all joints that are to have insulated pins do have them and that a toothpick piece or some other insulator keeps the rails themselves separated at the insulated joint. Two points to keep in mind. First, see if the combination of turnout settings and insulated pins is inadequate to avoid a short circuit. If the transformer has a circuit breaker and overload lamp, you may see the red lamp glow. It may be that the settings and pins are causing one section to lack power and thus the loco voltage is almost zero. A voltmeter or a couple of illuminated cars situated on the various sections is most useful for checking the electrical functions. CheerS, Rhett

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39998	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 4/13/2006
Subject: Re: Flyonel Christmas Boxcar - The Numbers?

Phil, It's always nice to hear from someone who is into s-products just for pure love of the hobby and not the usual capitalistic issues. :>) But would an ugly unpopular car necessarily translate to better re-sale value down the road? Some have already commented on rareness as a price driving issue (ex: Lionel's Girl's Set). but since Lionel usually just batch manufactures things based on ordering estimates, Lionel probably makes as many ugly ones that don't as any other general year. At least I think for Christmas items Lionel batch manufactures and does not use any demand based or Just In Time factory model. I know that the 1999 Christmas car is rare, but do not know why? Did Lionel reduced its production runs numbers or was there a huge demand for that 1999 year. Does anyone know how Lionel determines production run numbers for specialty type items like the s-gauge stuff? Maybe some dealers in the group would have better insight into this. Scott Dee Hopefully, they're so ugly no one will buy them. Then I can sell the ones I do buy at blowout prices to someone for $250 in four or five years. LOL Phil [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 39999	From: Scott Holm	Date: 4/13/2006
Subject: Re: Circus Flat Yellow

To make my repro circus flats, I used the circus yellow in the jar that Doug Peck sells and painted them with a brush. If you use a cobalt dryer, (available at art supply stores) it actually dries quickly. One of the main complaints about the classic toy train paints is that it takes months for the paint to dry. George Cohn <gwcohn@...> wrote: charlie and edith wrote: > Greetings! Need suggestions for a current paint that would match , or come close to, the yellow used on the Flyer circus flatcar. Thanks the help, and best wishes, Charlie > > I've often had the paint store computer match paint for me for various projects. Just need something with the right color on it for them to match. I got a pint of AF bill board green matched up in rustoleum enamel a while back to restore some of the bill boards that I have. Since my other hobby is restoring old sports cars, you find a lot of the tricks of the trade also apply to smaller things like toy trains. George Cohn S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40000	From: lember2004	Date: 4/13/2006
Subject: Re: Circus Flat Yellow

I have had success with both the regular and spray paint available from Charles Wood & Co. (330)-772-5177. They have a color called "AF Circus Train Yellow". Mark --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "charlie and edith" <charlieandedith@...> wrote: > > Greetings! Need suggestions for a current paint that would match , or come close to, the yellow used on the Flyer circus flatcar. Thanks the help, and best wishes, Charlie > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40001	From: jayhoo64	Date: 4/14/2006
Subject: Re: 2006 AF Christmas Car

GGGGAKK!! :^O |^P Chuck F.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40002	From: bandmancwc	Date: 4/14/2006
Subject: Accessory speed control-overheating

Hi all, I bought a potentiometer from Radio Shack with the idea of being able to slow down my oil drum loader on my layout ("Louie" is getting tired with all those drums that fast). It is rated at 3v. It works great except that it seem to put out a lot of heat when it is on. Does anyone have any thoughts on how to cut the heat down? Of course the kids working at Radio Shack had no idea what I was doing or what to do to help. I put a resistor in line at their suggestion and "Louie" would not move at all. As always, thanks for the help. Bill

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40003	From: George Cohn	Date: 4/14/2006
Subject: Re: Accessory speed control-overheating

bandmancwc wrote: > Hi all, I bought a potentiometer from Radio Shack with the idea of > being able to slow down my oil drum loader on my layout ("Louie" is > getting tired with all those drums that fast). It is rated at 3v. It > works great except that it seem to put out a lot of heat when it is > on. Don't know what the 3v means because pots are rated in ohms and watts. I would measure the resistance at the setting that you like and try to find a 20 to 50 watt resistor of that ohms. Or, try using a separate transformer and use the variable voltage instead of the fixed voltage for Louie. George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40004	From: romoyer@att.net	Date: 4/14/2006
Subject: Re: Accessory speed control-overheating

Bill: If you can, just wire a post war AF 1 1/2 50W transformer to the loader exclusively. Connect the base post directly to the loader, the variable post to the switch (SPST), other side of the switch to the loader. Turn the switch on. Adjust the speed of Louie with the dial. Don't forget to give him a lunch break once in a while. Regards Bob Moyer -------------- Original message from "bandmancwc" <Bandmancwc@...>: -------------- > Hi all, I bought a potentiometer from Radio Shack with the idea of > being able to slow down my oil drum loader on my layout ("Louie" is > getting tired with all those drums that fast). It is rated at 3v. It > works great except that it seem to put out a lot of heat when it is > on. Does anyone have any thoughts on how to cut the heat down? Of > course the kids working at Radio Shack had no idea what I was doing or > what to do to help. I put a resistor in line at their suggestion > and "Louie" would not move at all. As always, thanks for the help. > Bill > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40005	From: Bill Porter	Date: 4/14/2006
Subject: Re: Accessory speed control-overheating

Hi Bill and Esteemed Colleagues, "Pots" are not intended to handle a lot of current. They are used in the early stages of amplifier circuits. I expect it will fail pretty soon. You can tell when that happens because it will release the smoke that was sealed in at the factory. If you want to use additional resistive load to control the speed, you need some sort of rheostat. They are larger, more expensive and can handle more current. Potentiometers won't get the job done for us. The other choice for controlling the speed is to use a small train transformer. For instance, you could use an American Flyer 1 1/2 to do the job very well. Those are pretty cheap at swap meets. Larger models will work even better. Good Luck, Bill Bill Porter Loxahatchee -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bandmancwc Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 5:21 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Accessory speed control-overheating Hi all, I bought a potentiometer from Radio Shack with the idea of being able to slow down my oil drum loader on my layout ("Louie" is getting tired with all those drums that fast). It is rated at 3v. It works great except that it seem to put out a lot of heat when it is on. Does anyone have any thoughts on how to cut the heat down? Of course the kids working at Radio Shack had no idea what I was doing or what to do to help. I put a resistor in line at their suggestion and "Louie" would not move at all. As always, thanks for the help. Bill S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40006	From: romoyer@att.net	Date: 4/14/2006
Subject: Another Paint Question

To Everyone Especially Jerry Poniatowski: I liked the photo of your layout in CTT May 2006. Which of course gave me an idea. I have a Flyonel Milwaukee Road EP5 and I have a 4 car consist of beat up AF streamlined cars. Why not paint the cars in the colors of yours in the photo? Then the cars would look good in back of the EP5. What do you use at the head of the cars pictured? Would you be kind enough to reply with the type of paint and the colors used? Lastly how did you do the lettering? Regards Bob Moyer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40007	From: lember2004	Date: 4/14/2006
Subject: Re: Accessory speed control-overheating

I would guess that because Louie is connected to the 15v or 18v transformer terminal, you would want a potentiometer rated for at least 20v and - for a margin of safety and cool operation - perhaps a higher rating. But potentiometers always do put out some heat - think of any dimmer switch in your home. Mark --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "bandmancwc" <Bandmancwc@...> wrote: > > Hi all, I bought a potentiometer from Radio Shack with the idea of > being able to slow down my oil drum loader on my layout ("Louie" is > getting tired with all those drums that fast). It is rated at 3v. It > works great except that it seem to put out a lot of heat when it is > on. Does anyone have any thoughts on how to cut the heat down? Of > course the kids working at Radio Shack had no idea what I was doing or > what to do to help. I put a resistor in line at their suggestion > and "Louie" would not move at all. As always, thanks for the help. > Bill >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40008	From: hspanier2000	Date: 4/14/2006
Subject: The ORIGINAL Marx Show & Tell at York

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 40009	From: Rick Evans	Date: 4/14/2006
Subject: On30--AF--SHS Stock Cars

There was some discussion of On30 cars not too long ago, and how they compare with AF etc., and I believe someone posted some photos. I took a couple of photos of my On30 coupled with a #929 which is coupled to a SHS car. http://s-scale.org/albums/v/friends/bassflyer/bassflyer_003/On30_AF+929_SHS.JPG.html http://s-scale.org/albums/v/friends/bassflyer/bassflyer_003/On30__AF+929__SHS.jpg.html Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40010	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 4/14/2006
Subject: Re: Accessory speed control-overheating

It doesnt matter whether it is a rheostadt or a potentiometer (which is only a variable centre-tapped rheostsat anyway), nor at low voltages is the voltage critical, what matters is the power it can handle. An amplifyer pot. is probably rated at about two to 5 watts - what is needed is one rated at about 20 watts or more and with a resistance of around 10 to 20 ohms maximum. These are the two critical factors - power rating and resistance. But you can probably find one of those small three volt appliance power supplies second hand and cheap that will supply what you want at your local Salvation Army shop. Alistair

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40011	From: trzp1800	Date: 4/15/2006
Subject: Re: Accessory speed control-overheating

Hi Bill: I have been running a Louie on one of my modules at shows for about four years. I use an 18B to power up the accessories on four modules, 3-4 accessories on each, plus run the inner loop on my side of our layouts. My 18B puts out about 18-19V typically. To slow Louie down i installed a 50W 20 ohm resistor on the accessory. This works fine if it's a busy show and we have lots of people running accessories on our layout. If there aren't many people pushing the buttons to run my accessories i sometimes have to add a 50W 50 ohm resistor in series with the other one. This really slows him down, but he runs very reliably almost never dropping a barrel on pickup. My advice is to play around with some resistors and find a combination that runs him just fast enough to work, when your transformer is fully loaded, but doesn't let him run too fast when it is lightly loaded. You need resistors in the 20 to 50 watt range to avoid them heating up too badly. Be especially careful of this if you mount them on Louie as you don't want to melt him. The potentiometers large enough to handle the wattage cost far more than a handfull of resistors. If you want to have some varience in the resistance, buy a SPDT toggle switch and rig it so you can switch between resistances when you need to slow or speed Louie up. I think Louie is about the best accessory ACG ever came up with. Once you slow him down he's like the energizer bunny, just keeps going and going. The kids really like running him, just wish we had an automatic barrel loader re-loader at the shows. Regard'S'. Ted --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "bandmancwc" <Bandmancwc@...> wrote: > > Hi all, I bought a potentiometer from Radio Shack with the idea of > being able to slow down my oil drum loader on my layout ("Louie" is > getting tired with all those drums that fast). It is rated at 3v. It > works great except that it seem to put out a lot of heat when it is > on. Does anyone have any thoughts on how to cut the heat down? Of > course the kids working at Radio Shack had no idea what I was doing or > what to do to help. I put a resistor in line at their suggestion > and "Louie" would not move at all. As always, thanks for the help. > Bill >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40012	From: knockbill	Date: 4/15/2006
Subject: 20207 set

Hi I picked up a 20207 set yesterday in pretty good condition, with the set box......Can anyone tell me its value......don't know wether to keep it or sell it..... Thanks in advance John

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40013	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 4/15/2006
Subject: Re: On30--AF--SHS Stock Cars

Looks good, Rick. What sort of trucks did you put on this On30 example? Was it simply a matter of removing the HO side truck, and putting the screw back with the S one? Thanks, Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40014	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 4/15/2006
Subject: Re: Accessory speed control-overheating

It has been suggested that my suggestions re getting a power supply from the Salvation Army may not be appropriate to a novice with electricity. This is probably right so I would urge you to get the correct Flyer item and use that. But for goodness sake others stop talking about voltage ratings for rheostats when it is the resistance and power carrying capacity that counts. Alistair

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40015	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 4/15/2006
Subject: Re: Accessory speed control-overheating

Hello All, I have used a 100 Ohm pot to control one of my cattle loaders. The little critters were jumping around like popcorn popping even with the accessory's adjustment turned all the way down. In the All Electronics catalog (www.allelectronics.com <http://www.allelectronics.com/> ) I see thumbwheel trimmers with values of; 100, 250, 50K, 500K 10 of one value for $1.00. Don't know if they would take the heat, but I found with my cattle loader it didn't take much to calm the herd. Tom Stoltz Tom's Turnouts & Trackwork Maine S Gaugers NASG [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40016	From: Gerald Dobbs	Date: 4/15/2006
Subject: Accessory speed control-overheating

Bill wrote Hi all, I bought a potentiometer from Radio Shack with the idea of being able to slow down my oil drum loader on my layout ("Louie" is getting tired with all those drums that fast). It is rated at 3v. It works great except that it seem to put out a lot of heat when it is on. Does anyone have any thoughts on how to cut the heat down? Of course the kids working at Radio Shack had no idea what I was doing or what to do to help. I put a resistor in line at their suggestion and "Louie" would not move at all. As always, thanks for the help. Bill Bill : Just put a 1 amp. Diode in series ( in one of the power wire ) to the accessory, this will reduce the voltage to the accessory. A pot. doesn't have ability to carry amperage. + Diodes are very handy, I install a very small diode on the yellow post on all my electric switches then to the 18 volt buss, & a diode to the black wire on the switch controller. This reduces the voltage to the lamps ( they hardly ever need to be replaced & It reduces the glare at the control panel ) + requires only 2 wires to the switches, + you can run the switch motors with a capacitor-discharge power supply. Works great and saves wire. Jerry 77-11644

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40017	From: Bill Porter	Date: 4/15/2006
Subject: Re: Accessory speed control-overheating

Esteemed Colleagues, Please remember Brother McAllister's comments regarding the amount of power the control must handle. Whether we call that power the wattage or refer to the amount of current which is another part of the power issue, that factor will be the limiting factor as to whether these cheap potentiometers will work or fail. Does anyone know of a chart for the wattage or for the current requirements for these accessories? If you can either point me at a source or supply your own, first-hand measurements, I will compile a table and post it online. It would be a pleasant task to add it to my personal website. I do not have many of these accessories, so, I need help from the group. The information I would need is this: [1] Name of accessory [2] Model number if you know it [3] Expected current (number of amps) or rated power (number of watts) [4] AC, DC or Universal would also be nice, but not required for our purposes - at least right away. [5] Nominal voltage if there is one. Is it expecting 12 VAC, or 14 or 18 or what? This sort of information would be supplied on modern instruction sheets. As for the old days, I cannot say. Bill Porter Loxahatchee -----Original Message----- Hello All, I have used a 100 Ohm pot to control one of my cattle loaders. The little critters were jumping around like popcorn popping even with the accessory's adjustment turned all the way down. In the All Electronics catalog (www.allelectronics.com <http://www.allelectronics.com/> ) I see thumbwheel trimmers with values of; 100, 250, 50K, 500K 10 of one value for $1.00. Don't know if they would take the heat, but I found with my cattle loader it didn't take much to calm the herd. Tom Stoltz

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40018	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 4/15/2006
Subject: Re: Another Paint Question

Bob and Anyone Else Interested, Thanks for the kind words about my photo in CTT. The power unit of that train is my Flyonel EP-5. I also wanted something to be behind the EP-5, and since there wasn't much except a covered hopper and two cabooses (and a few Gilbert boxcars), I painted a consist of beat up Gilbert streamliners to match. I mixed up Poly S paints to match the Lionel colors. That took some doing. The orange is Milwaukee Road orange that I played with to match, the maroon is Wisconsin Central Maroon also altered to match (it's closer than the MR version). The lettering is Woodland Scenics 1/16" extended Railroad Gothic. I also added American Models diaphrams to the Gilbert cars to add a nice detail and visually bring the cars closer together. A head end boxcar painted to match is also in the consist. I have two bottles of orange mixed and one bottle of the maroon, plus I have made some decals for the letter board so I won't have to do any more of that pressure sensitive lettering any more! I started out with a four car consist, and now have 7. I have this thing about passenger trains! The train was in the model contest during the Scranton convention. BTW, I am also working on a passenger consist for my Flyonel Great Northern EP-5. I have the colors mixed, but no time to paint them for a few weeks. I have painted a number of things for other S gaugers, and if time permits, can do more. Time. For the next few months, I have other train things to do!! Jerry Poniatowski Registrar, 2006 NASG National Convention Pontiac, Michigan --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, romoyer@... wrote: > > To Everyone Especially Jerry Poniatowski: > > I liked the photo of your layout in CTT May 2006. Which of course gave me an idea. I have a Flyonel Milwaukee Road EP5 and I have a 4 car consist of beat up AF streamlined cars. Why not paint the cars in the colors of yours in the photo? Then the cars would look good in back of the EP5. What do you use at the head of the cars pictured? Would you be kind enough to reply with the type of paint and the colors used? Lastly how did you do the lettering? > > Regards > > Bob Moyer > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40019	From: George Cohn	Date: 4/15/2006
Subject: Re: Accessory speed control-overheating

Bill Porter wrote: > > The information I would need is this: > > [1] Name of accessory > [2] Model number if you know it > [3] Expected current (number of amps) or rated power (number of watts) > [4] AC, DC or Universal would also be nice, but not required for our > purposes - at least right away. > [5] Nominal voltage if there is one. Is it expecting 12 VAC, or 14 or 18 or > what? Here's a start: The 759 bell danger signal draws 1.4 amps each time the bell dings. I'll check out a few more accessories as I get time. I was interested in the 759 because I built a little circuit to alternately flash the lamps (requires modification of 759) and ding the bell each time either lamp lit. Works cool but took more electronics than expected. Ended up using a 555 timer, a divide by 2 for the lamps, and three driver transistors. Also required a 317T voltage reg chip which I regulated down to 14 volts dc. The lamps are rated at 14 volts so they should last longer than if ran on 18 VAC. Uses a pressure trip to activate. George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40020	From: Mike Rosz	Date: 4/15/2006
Subject: any clubs in the area ?

is or are there a or any s-train groups any where? I live in Lake County IL.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40021	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 4/15/2006
Subject: The Late Randy Sappo's Structures.

Lee McCarty, perhaps having a little Yahoo trouble, send me the message below and asked me to forward it to the lists. Tom Hawley ----- Original Message ----- From: MACSIR@... A very important message about this year's S Spree in central Ohio. Those of you who have been in this hobby and gauge for a few years will remember the name of Randy Sappo, undoubtedly the finest structures builder this gauge has ever seen. Randy's buildings graced virtually every modeling magazine printed, as well as being on the cover of most of them. When Randy passed away very suddenly several years ago, his wife, Karen, decided that they would hold onto Randy's structures until they had time to decide what to do with all of them. I received a call from Karen about a week ago. She announced that she was bringing Randy's entire collection of S Gauge buildings to this year's Spree to auction them all off. There will be about two van loads of prime condition and beautifully detailed S gauge structures of all types available for sale at the Spree. Most will come with the magazine it was featured in. For more information, visit the Cuyahoga Valley S Gauge Website at www.cvsga.org . Lee McCarty [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40022	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 4/15/2006
Subject: Re: Flashing Lights Bell Ringing Crossing Signal 759

George, Circuit sounds really interesting... I have been thinking of trying what you did with the circuit. Could you post an image of the circuit design (schematic with parts list) for future use by others on the group? Thanx, Scott Dee Here's a start: The 759 bell danger signal draws 1.4 amps each time the bell dings. I'll check out a few more accessories as I get time. I was interested in the 759 because I built a little circuit to alternately flash the lamps (requires modification of 759) and ding the bell each time either lamp lit. Works cool but took more electronics than expected. Ended up using a 555 timer, a divide by 2 for the lamps, and three driver transistors. Also required a 317T voltage reg chip which I regulated down to 14 volts dc. The lamps are rated at 14 volts so they should last longer than if ran on 18 VAC. Uses a pressure trip to activate. George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40023	From: Phil K	Date: 4/15/2006
Subject: Vote for the "Train Quarter"

Passing this along from an acquaintance: >>As most of you know each state is putting a design on the Quarter Coin to honor its heritage. Utah is about to submit its choice to the US Mint and is having a public poll to help determine which one it will be. You do not have to live in Utah. The choices are a Snow Boarder (Trendy), a beehive (Boring Utah thing) and the Jupiter and 119 meeting at Promontory, UT for the joining of the rails (YES). The voting is open till May 8th online at http://arts.utah.gov/quarter/survey.html Please everyone go vote for the only decent design there (That would be the trains in case you are unclear on it) Since they are scheduled to announce the winner on May 10th, I am hoping that is an indicator the the train design will go forward, but every vote will help. Remember as they say in Chicago, Vote Early and Vote often. Since they ask for a name with each vote, please make sure your spouse, children, grandparents, pets and dead relatives are in on the action.<< Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40024	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 4/15/2006
Subject: Lueck 8x8 Layout Progress

Well, today the progress is in the photographic area. Been busy enough that things are just a bit slow getting warmed up and at full speed with the new Gallery server. Anyway, a look at progress then... http://s-scale.org/albums/v/friends/pianoman/layout/8x8/20060415/ Up a level, then selecting the track map gives some detail text about the layout. Blessings, Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40025	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 4/15/2006
Subject: Sunday Chat, 4/16/2006, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 40026	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 4/15/2006
Subject: FLYER HELP

CAN SOME ONE SEND ME A FLYER...... THAT I CAN PRINT, SAY 4 TO A SHEET THAT I CAN COPY AND GIVE TO "S" PEOPLE I RUN INTO AT YORK..... I WILL GIVE BARB A HANDFULL AND LEAVE THEM LYING AROUND AT MEETS..... INFO TO TELL ABOUT OUR GROUP AND HOW TO JOIN...... RIGHT HAND HURTS BAD SO I CAN'T WORK IT UP...... NEED TONIGHT AS I AM LEAVING TOMMORROW AFTER CHURCH...... BOB

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40027	From: paflyrman	Date: 4/15/2006
Subject: 760 Automatic Highway Flasher Crossbuck Relettering

This week I received the lettering I needed for the crossbuck of a 760 which I had refinished. I had hoped that the lettering would be a dry tranfer, which could easily be rubbed onto the crossbuck. While I appreciate the manufacturers who make these items for us, I have to say I was disappointed in the choice made by the manufacturer of this item. The lettering came on a clear sticky film, which had to be trimmed to fit the crossbuck, then peeled and stuck in place. You are working blind trying to trim this as you must cover the lettering, making it difficult to center the lettering on the crossbuck. Finally, needless to say, affixing the "X" shaped sticker to the crossbuck was impossible and I soon damaged it beyond use. The sticker "jumps" to the crossbuck before you have it placed where you want it. $2 wasted. I don't recommend anyone purchasing these. Hopefully someone will make this lettering in dry transfer format. paflyrman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40028	From: Rick Evans	Date: 4/15/2006
Subject: Re: Lueck 8x8 Layout Progress

Man! 8x8........I wish I had THAT kind of room! I'm thrilled that shortly I'm gonna bump up to a 4x8 layout!! But the shape will be more like a waterwing/dog bone, sooooo, I won't even have 4x8 of surface to work with, but it will be better then what I have now! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40029	From: Gary Chidester	Date: 4/15/2006
Subject: Re: Vote for the "Train Quarter"

As one that lives in Utah may I second Phil suggestion with an exclamation mark! If the quarter turns out to be anything but the meeting at Promontory I will be relocating to a state that is not filled with morons (this may be arguable even if the Promontory quarter is chosen). Gary Chidester On 4/15/06 4:02 PM, "Phil K" <waldootten@...> wrote: > Passing this along from an acquaintance: > >>> As most of you know each state is putting a design on the Quarter > Coin to honor its heritage. Utah is about to submit its choice to > the US Mint and is having a public poll to help determine which one > it will be. You do not have to live in Utah. > > The choices are a Snow Boarder (Trendy), a beehive (Boring Utah > thing) and the Jupiter and 119 meeting at Promontory, UT for the > joining of the rails (YES). > > The voting is open till May 8th online at > http://arts.utah.gov/quarter/survey.html > > Please everyone go vote for the only decent design there (That would > be the trains in case you are unclear on it) Since they are > scheduled to announce the winner on May 10th, I am hoping that is an > indicator the the train design will go forward, but every vote will > help. > > Remember as they say in Chicago, Vote Early and Vote often. Since > they ask for a name with each vote, please make sure your spouse, > children, grandparents, pets and dead relatives are in on the > action.<< > > Phil K > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40030	From: Roy Inman	Date: 4/15/2006
Subject: Re: 760 Automatic Highway Flasher Crossbuck Relettering

I seem to recall restoring several of those flashers some years back. I cannot recall where I got the lettering, but it was dry transfer and worked like a charm. Might have been Leventon supply. I think their web site is under construction. Email is leventon@.... Or, it might have been Bill Parr's Hobby Supplies. He advertises in the S Gaugian. > From: paflyrman <4567@...> > Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 01:19:38 +0000 > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] 760 Automatic Highway Flasher Crossbuck Relettering > > This week I received the lettering I needed for the crossbuck of a 760 > which I had refinished. I had hoped that the lettering would be a dry > tranfer, which could easily be rubbed onto the crossbuck. While I > appreciate the manufacturers who make these items for us, I have to > say I was disappointed in the choice made by the manufacturer of this > item. The lettering came on a clear sticky film, which had to be > trimmed to fit the crossbuck, then peeled and stuck in place. You are > working blind trying to trim this as you must cover the lettering, > making it difficult to center the lettering on the crossbuck. Finally, > needless to say, affixing the "X" shaped sticker to the crossbuck was > impossible and I soon damaged it beyond use. The sticker "jumps" to > the crossbuck before you have it placed where you want it. $2 wasted. > I don't recommend anyone purchasing these. Hopefully someone will make > this lettering in dry transfer format. > > paflyrman > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40031	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 4/16/2006
Subject: Tim Brown -> Re: Keep practicing!

Hey, you are still around hua?! Thanks for the encouragement about the practice / test / get things restored layout. I tried to reply off list but the server says your email addy is disabled. So hopefully you get this note too. Happy Easter, brother! Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40032	From: mlmarmer	Date: 4/16/2006
Subject: Re: Tim Brown -> Re: Keep practicing!

Mike, I believe Tim is not on this list anymore, in fact for about 3 years now. I know why Tim left and that is too bad, as Tim had allot to add to this list. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Lueck" <pianoman@...> To: "S-Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2006 8:06 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Tim Brown -> Re: Keep practicing! > Hey, you are still around hua?! Thanks for the encouragement about the practice > / test / get things restored layout. I tried to reply off list but the server > says your email addy is disabled. So hopefully you get this note too. > > Happy Easter, brother! > Michael > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40033	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 4/16/2006
Subject: Sunday Chat, 4/16/2006, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 40034	From: George Cohn	Date: 4/16/2006
Subject: Re: Flashing Lights Bell Ringing Crossing Signal 759

Scott Davidson wrote: > George, > > Circuit sounds really interesting... > > I have been thinking of trying what you did with the circuit. > > Could you post an image of the circuit design (schematic with parts list) > for future use by others on the group? OK, don't have the schematic posted yet but here's a web page describing what I did. http://tinyurl.com/f22on There's a link on the page to a quick time movie I took of it working. I'll try to draw up the schematic from my notes and post that sometime soon. George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40036	From: Doug Peck	Date: 4/16/2006
Subject: Re: 760 Automatic Highway Flasher Crossbuck Relettering

OR......it might have been us!!! But the fact is those d/ts used to be available, but no longer are made. Another casualty of Janice Bennett's business demise. Although many d/ts have come back on the market from at least three different sources already, this particular one has not......yet. <<<<<<<<<Subject: Re: 760 Automatic Highway Flasher Crossbuck Relettering I seem to recall restoring several of those flashers some years back. I cannot recall where I got the lettering, but it was dry transfer and worked like a charm. Might have been Leventon supply. I think their web site is under construction. Email is leventon@.... Or, it might have been Bill Parr's Hobby Supplies. He advertises in the S Gaugian.>>>>>> Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST), 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: www.portlines.com <http://www.portlines.com/> E-mail: doug@... <mailto:doug@...> VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40037	From: George Cohn	Date: 4/16/2006
Subject: Re: Flashing Lights Bell Ringing Crossing Signal 759

Clifford Manning wrote: > This is a great looking sight on the circuitry. I will use this one in > the near future. > I'll see if I can post the schematic next week between classes. I'm taking a bunch of computer networking classes, I'm the oldest guy in class. ;-) It took me an afternoon to build it using point to point wiring. I left the LED's on the board that I used for testing. If I were to design a pc board, I would add a little more logic so it could drive a couple of 759's or even a 760 or two. Would be easy to do with a pressure trip providing a ground connection to activate each crossing. The killer is the original bell is a current hog. (1.4 amps @ 14 VDC) I either need to modify it to use AC straight from the transformer or beef up the on board DC power supply. Here's a tinyurl to the quick time movie: http://tinyurl.com/hkr7r With some more thought, it would also be easy to whip up a green/yellow/red traffic light circuit. Does anyone make traffic lights in S-gauge? One thing I want to play with next is an infrared motion detector to replace the 697 track trip. I've got a bunch of photo detector assemblies that could be hacked up. I'm thinking maybe something like one short pulse when the train enters the detection zone and another short pulse on a different terminal as it leaves? Plus a contact closure for as long as the train is in the detection zone? One of the real problems with AF accessories is the coils will burn up if you leave voltage applied too long, hence the short pulse idea. If you do a google on robotics circuits, you can find a lot of neat stuff that could be applied to model railroading. George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40038	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 4/16/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 3028

In a message dated 4/16/2006 10:02:13 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes: Message 13 From: "Phil K" waldootten@... Date: Sat Apr 15, 2006 3:05pm(PDT) Subject: Vote for the "Train Quarter" Phil, just went on web site a voted. Also commented tha this was the only logical choice for the esteemed State of Utah's contribution to the history and progress of the United States of America. Carlton [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40039	From: femiro2002@yahoo.com	Date: 4/17/2006
Subject: 2900 in PROTO kit form ??

2900 in PROTO kit form ?? This is 2926 being restored in NM for those of you that might want to further detail AM's 2900's http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/femiro2002/detail?.dir=/mail&.dnm=4703re2.jpg&.src=ph&.tok=phaLkuEBxp.nE4Sd [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40040	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 4/17/2006
Subject: It's the Law!

I suspect most of you have had some exposure to Ohm's law. I have, but have managed to forget most of it. As a website programmer I always remember the joke... How many programmers does it take to change a light bulb? They can't do it! It's a hardware problem! Any ways, it is always a bit easier to learn someting the second time. I was looking around for good sites that explain the relationship between , volts , watts, amps and ohms. http://www.the12volt.com/ohm/ohmslaw.asp http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/hframe.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ohm's_law If you know of a better one please let me know, or better yet add it to the 'Links' page at http://s-scale.org/links/link.php [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40041	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 4/17/2006
Subject: Saturday Night Trivia Contest

Mention of Tim Brown reminded me of the now defunct Saturday Night Flyer Trivia contest that we had in ealry 2004. I would find some trivia questions in old issues of S Gaugian and post the questions. The first one to answer correctly on this board would win a prize donated and shipped to the winner by one of the group members. Tim was involved from the beginning and it was fun while it lasted, but we stopped running it because some of the group members argued that the answers judged to be correct were wrong, even though the questions and answers were well documented. But we tried!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40042	From: nsupbnsf@juno.com	Date: 4/17/2006
Subject: Slowing Down Accessories

The question was raised on reducing the speed of accessories. Every method has their benefit. "Hi all, I bought a potentiometer from Radio Shack with the idea of being able to slow down my oil drum loader on my layout ("Louie" is getting tired with all those drums that fast). It is rated at 3v. It works great except that it seem to put out a lot of heat when it is on. Does anyone have any thoughts on how to cut the heat down? Of course the kids working at Radio Shack had no idea what I was doing or what to do to help. I put a resistor in line at their suggestion and "Louie" would not move at all. As always, thanks for the help. Bill" The method not mentioned is using diodes as "dropping" devices. As this is AC, connect two diodes back to back, that is each diode's cathode connected to the anode of the other, and connected in series with the accessory. Each such pair results in a 0.7 volt ac drop. Use as many such pairs, each pair connected in series. as needed to achieve the desired speed. Soldering is not required, a terminal strip will do. Diode leads could be crimped together in a spade connector, and attached to the terminal strip. Alan Udy, RMHRS Idaho Falls, ID. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40043	From: femiro2002@yahoo.com	Date: 4/17/2006
Subject: 2926

2926 some detail shots http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/femiro2002/detail?.dir=/f0fc&.dnm=4703re2.jpg&.src=ph&.tok=ph1UkuEBFbFXE4Sd [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40044	From: Donald Munsey Jr.	Date: 4/17/2006
Subject: Need Tomalco Sand Dome

My friends, I have a need for a single Tomalco Fluted Sand Dome (T-2032). Any one have a spare needing a new home? Please contact me offlist. THNX Don Munsey, Jr. dmunseyjr@... Sn42 and Hn42 logging fan and VGN Rwy fan living in the UpperRightCorner of Louisiana. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40045	From: burkhardt1938	Date: 4/17/2006
Subject: American Flyer Reverse Loop Kit 695

Haven't heard a thing from anyone but Rhett about my problem getting a 695 reverse loop relay to work....or to find out if it does work. I did what Rhett suggested with the volt/ohm meter and it proved that the power is getting to the rail. But, I don't know if that's the fault of the loop kit or my wiring.....I've checked and rechecked the wiring according to the diagram I have for using it with a "wye" and I can't see anything wrong. Does anybody know how to test the unit or is there a place I could send it to have it checked out. Anyone's help would be appreciated....I'm stuck.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40046	From: WMFADAMSNY@frontiernet.net	Date: 4/17/2006
Subject: another wiring question

I'm going to have about ten #730 bumpers w/lights on my layout - most on "switched" sidings and want to keep the lights illuminated all the time. Am I wise to use fiber track pins to isolate the end pieces of track with bumper and inturn wire each to the Base and 15 Volt Feeder Line wires running the perimeter of the layout? Any ideas would be appreciated. Thank-you. Bill Adams Rochester, NY

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40047	From: keefer1	Date: 4/17/2006
Subject: new paint

Doug has a new line of paint listed, anyone tried it? Keith __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40048	From: romoyer@att.net	Date: 4/17/2006
Subject: Re: another wiring question

Bill: Good idea to keep them lit. I always like all those little lights on various accesories. Check this out, forget the fiber pins isolating the last piece of track. With that last piece of track at a constant 15V there is a possibility of adverse effects ( like parking an engine or tender there). So why not try isolating the bumper track clips from the track with some electrical tape. Run your two wires up under the bumper and terminate with small alligator clips then clip them inside the bumper to the two isolated track clips. In that way there is never a constant 15V to any section of track and you got your light on. Regards Bob Moyer -------------- Original message from WMFADAMSNY@...: -------------- > I'm going to have about ten #730 bumpers w/lights on my layout - most > on "switched" sidings and want to keep the lights illuminated all the > time. Am I wise to use fiber track pins to isolate the end pieces of > track with bumper and inturn wire each to the Base and 15 Volt Feeder > Line wires running the perimeter of the layout? Any ideas would be > appreciated. Thank-you. > > Bill Adams > Rochester, NY > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40049	From: David Dewey	Date: 4/17/2006
Subject: Hi to all my Chat friends--I really am sick!

Hi all, I didn't feel any better this morning, so went to the Dr. He was about to suggest a spinal tap when he heard something in my lungs. X-Rays aren't back yet, but he is certain I have Pneumonia (why can't I have something easy to spell?). Well, that's better than shingles I guess. So I am off work by Dr.s orders, and if the X-Rays are bad, probably for a while! Guess I'll catch up on my AF reading! S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40050	From: John G	Date: 4/17/2006
Subject: Re: Slowing Down Accessories

I have been using the diode voltage dropping method suggested by Alan for several years. I use bridge rectifier (two diode pairs) to drop the 18 volt fixed output on my 175 watt transformer down to a more reasonable 16.6 volts to run my accessories. The rectifier is mounted on a heat sink to dissipate the heat as I'm pulling several amps through it. John G > > The question was raised on reducing the speed of accessories. Every method has their benefit. > > The method not mentioned is using diodes as "dropping" devices. As this is AC, connect two diodes back to back, that is each diode's cathode connected to the anode of the other, and connected in series with the accessory. Each such pair results in a 0.7 volt ac drop. Use as many such pairs, each pair connected in series. as needed to achieve the desired speed. Soldering is not required, a terminal strip will do. Diode leads could be crimped together in a spade connector, and attached to the terminal strip. > Alan Udy, RMHRS > Idaho Falls, ID. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40051	From: Rick Evans	Date: 4/18/2006
Subject: Re: Hi to all my Chat friends--I really am sick!

We're gonna need a note from the doctor Mr. Dewey!! Rick Hi all, I didn't feel any better this morning, so went to the Dr. He was about to suggest a spinal tap when he heard something in my lungs. X-Rays aren't back yet, but he is certain I have Pneumonia (why can't I have something easy to spell?). Well, that's better than shingles I guess. So I am off work by Dr.s orders, and if the X-Rays are bad, probably for a while! Guess I'll catch up on my AF reading! S' David D. S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40052	From: Robert Graves	Date: 4/18/2006
Subject: Re: Lueck 8x8 Layout Progress

Cool layout! I like it! Michael Lueck <pianoman@...> wrote: Well, today the progress is in the photographic area. Been busy enough that things are just a bit slow getting warmed up and at full speed with the new Gallery server. Anyway, a look at progress then... http://s-scale.org/albums/v/friends/pianoman/layout/8x8/20060415/ Up a level, then selecting the track map gives some detail text about the layout. Blessings, Michael S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40053	From: paflyrman	Date: 4/18/2006
Subject: 752A Coaler Wiring Diagram

Can anyone tell me where this might be posted? A friend has one from which all the wires were cut, probably in a thoughtless hasty dismounting. Thanks, paflyrman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40054	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 4/18/2006
Subject: Re: Saturday Night Trivia Contest

No good deed goes unpunished... :>) I enjoyed the trivia contests.... Maybe we should start another.... I thought after Tim retired from the Oakland Raiders, he did seem to get a little remote... Maybe we can coax him back..... ScottDee -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bull_Gator_1 Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 8:48 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Saturday Night Trivia Contest Mention of Tim Brown reminded me of the now defunct Saturday Night Flyer Trivia contest that we had in ealry 2004. I would find some trivia questions in old issues of S Gaugian and post the questions. The first one to answer correctly on this board would win a prize donated and shipped to the winner by one of the group members. Tim was involved from the beginning and it was fun while it lasted, but we stopped running it because some of the group members argued that the answers judged to be correct were wrong, even though the questions and answers were well documented. But we tried! S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40055	From: waldootten	Date: 4/18/2006
Subject: New Rockwell command system simpler than TMCC

Take time to watch this two-minute video and see how this new electronic operating system will make TMCC and DCC obsolete because it is much easier to understand -- and use. Note -- it all becomes totally clear in the last 15 seconds: http://media.ebaumsworld.com/retro.wmv Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40056	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 4/18/2006
Subject: Re: New Rockwell command system simpler than TMCC

Oy! And people jump all over my business plans as being far too technical and filled with words no one understands. That movie definitely makes me look simple and normal. OK, was that movie for real or just BS? (Obviously it was NOT for running model trains!) Well it "could"... but I dare say I need more benchwork in my train room than that wall of gadgets. Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40057	From: Roy Inman	Date: 4/18/2006
Subject: Re: New Rockwell command system simpler than TMCC

Dad rat and blast! My Mac won't read it. Can one of you Windows folks please summarize it for we few Mac users? Roy Inman > From: waldootten <waldootten@...> > Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 20:28:14 +0000 > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] New Rockwell command system simpler than TMCC > > Take time to watch this two-minute video and see how this new > electronic operating system will make TMCC and DCC obsolete because it > is much easier to understand -- and use. Note -- it all becomes > totally clear in the last 15 seconds: > > http://media.ebaumsworld.com/retro.wmv > > Phil K > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40058	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 4/18/2006
Subject: Re: New Rockwell command system simpler than TMCC

My mac reads it perfectly. There is no way to tell you about. It must be seen. Thank you Larry Jackman ljack70117@... On Apr 18, 2006, at 5:14 PM, Roy Inman wrote: > Dad rat and blast! My Mac won't read it. > Can one of you Windows folks please summarize it for we few Mac users? > Roy Inman > >> From: waldootten <waldootten@...> >> Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 20:28:14 +0000 >> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com >> Subject: [S-Trains] New Rockwell command system simpler than TMCC >> >> Take time to watch this two-minute video and see how this new >> electronic operating system will make TMCC and DCC obsolete >> because it >> is much easier to understand -- and use. Note -- it all becomes >> totally clear in the last 15 seconds: >> >> http://media.ebaumsworld.com/retro.wmv >> >> Phil K >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com >> All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! >> >> Enjoy thousands of great photos >> at http://S-Scale.org/albums >> Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40059	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 4/18/2006
Subject: Re: New Rockwell command system simpler than TMCC

On Tue, 18 Apr 2006 16:14:17 -0500, Roy Inman wrote: >Can one of you Windows folks please summarize it for we few Mac users? It shows some PR person talking about this new motor controller bla bla bla... talking big rack mount power distribution equipment. Technical terms out weight normal words 10 to 1... sounds like a script out of StarTrek or something. Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40060	From: muniman18	Date: 4/18/2006
Subject: rockwell

Oh darn it just what i needed I'll have to modulate my fratacropes system to wing tie it in gotta have one shades of Norm Crosby good laugh though Mike

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40061	From: wd511	Date: 4/18/2006
Subject: dust

What do you guys do to keep dust off your layouts? I have tried different things but am not satisfied.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40062	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 4/18/2006
Subject: Re; New Rockwell command, etc,etc.

WELL, that was extremely interesting and enlightening! Not to mention uplifting and envenorating to the maximum. I have never been so impressed with this incredible breakthrough in electronic chronigraphic maxiloid control. The fact that this new command system will replace both DCC and TMCC is a forgone conclusion once you accept the fact that the mapasorbic enolderol unit will allow a microchip now used in those systems to be eliminated! Biologically encased Kregalon chips, which everyone in the electronics industry knows are superior, will also make the electronic package totally impervious to the electromagnetic pulse of a nuclear detonation. For further hardness, they could add Meteoric Moronite to the process! I want to thank Phil for bringing this exciting new invention to our attention! I will put off purchasing either DCC or TMCC and await this new system's production. The folks at Rockwell are obviously overdosing on Stupydium! The only known antidote being the inhalation quantities of Flatulene! Prof. Stumpy Stone, MD,DM,AM & FM, University of Appalachia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40063	From: rkuepper	Date: 4/18/2006
Subject: Re: Re; New Rockwell command, etc,etc.

Now, Stumpy, admit to these nice folks that the MD is only Honorary!! Dick Kuepper Aurora, OH -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Stumpy Stone Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 7:05 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re; New Rockwell command, etc,etc. WELL, that was extremely interesting and enlightening! Not to mention uplifting and envenorating to the maximum. I have never been so impressed with this incredible breakthrough in electronic chronigraphic maxiloid control. The fact that this new command system will replace both DCC and TMCC is a forgone conclusion once you accept the fact that the mapasorbic enolderol unit will allow a microchip now used in those systems to be eliminated! Biologically encased Kregalon chips, which everyone in the electronics industry knows are superior, will also make the electronic package totally impervious to the electromagnetic pulse of a nuclear detonation. For further hardness, they could add Meteoric Moronite to the process! I want to thank Phil for bringing this exciting new invention to our attention! I will put off purchasing either DCC or TMCC and await this new system's production. The folks at Rockwell are obviously overdosing on Stupydium! The only known antidote being the inhalation quantities of Flatulene! Prof. Stumpy Stone, MD,DM,AM & FM, University of Appalachia. S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40064	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 4/18/2006
Subject: Re: New Rockwell command system simpler than TMCC

Sorry Phil, That was a little beyond my internoodle comprendium of absorbtion. In other words I think it would blow out my Gilbert motors in the hands of a novice like me. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: "waldootten" <waldootten@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 4:28 PM Subject: [S-Trains] New Rockwell command system simpler than TMCC > Take time to watch this two-minute video and see how this new > electronic operating system will make TMCC and DCC obsolete because it > is much easier to understand -- and use. Note -- it all becomes > totally clear in the last 15 seconds: > > http://media.ebaumsworld.com/retro.wmv > > Phil K > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40065	From: Robert E. Yablonski	Date: 4/18/2006
Subject: Handlaid track

I just received my confirmation from Handlaid track that they have shipped me a modified tool that fits SHS 125 track. "Order modified to a S Scale #6 S Helper Service rail with (Large) PointForm Tool and code 125 rail." I now get to build switches. Robert E. Yablonski

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40066	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 4/18/2006
Subject: Re: dust

In the spirit of the video, I keep dust of my layout with the Illudium Q-36 Explosive Space Modulator. ----- Original Message ----- From: "wd511" <wayned10@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 6:09 PM Subject: [S-Trains] dust > What do you guys do to keep dust off your layouts? > I have tried different things but am not satisfied. > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40067	From: rkuepper	Date: 4/18/2006
Subject: Re: dust

I just tell the little woman to take care of it!! Dick Kuepper Cleveland General Hospital -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of wd511 Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 7:10 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] dust What do you guys do to keep dust off your layouts? I have tried different things but am not satisfied. S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40068	From: manderman	Date: 4/18/2006
Subject: Re: New Rockwell command system simpler than TMCC

Roy, You should be able to download a version of Microsoft Media Player for your MAC from the Microsoft website. I was able to view it on my MAC via MS Media Player. Mark Anderman Dad rat and blast! My Mac won't read it. Can one of you Windows folks please summarize it for we few Mac users? Roy Inman > From: waldootten <waldootten@...> > Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 20:28:14 +0000 > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] New Rockwell command system simpler >than TMCC > > Take time to watch this two-minute video and see how this >new > electronic operating system will make TMCC and DCC >obsolete because it > is much easier to understand -- and use. Note -- it all >becomes > totally clear in the last 15 seconds: > > http://media.ebaumsworld.com/retro.wmv > > Phil K > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40069	From: David Dewey	Date: 4/18/2006
Subject: Bumper Lighting & Lueck 8x8 Layout Progress

Hi all, If I were going to light the bumpers constantly, I would use something less than the 15V, as the bulb will get too hot and start melting the bumper. This reminded me of one of my Display layouts back in '77, where I decided to try for "realism" by having the engine on one siding, and making up trains on the others with the switcher, then pulling out the locomotive and onto the mainline. I created 2-track-long isolated sections with fiber pins, and lots of toggle switches to turn on each section. Worked, sorta! Lotsa action on that layout, Micheal, but what's all that empty floor space I see around it??? Must cover all floor with layout!! is the unwritten rule of railroad property acquisition! Interesting abandoned railroad in one album. Would be a fun motorcar run! Bridge sign makes no sense though, "Caution Bridge work at D Ave." Wonder if it was some wag's idea of a joke? S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40070	From: Roy Inman	Date: 4/18/2006
Subject: Mikado coupler change

Hi all; A while back someone asked for information on changing the AF coupler to a more scale-like one on the Flyonel (LAF) Mikado. Perhaps I missed the reply, but I don't recall seeing one. Has any one done that procedure? Couple of other questions: I have not changed out many couplers from AF to scale, but the few that I have changed came out darn near exactly where the Kadee coupler gauge showed. However, on my SHS Consolidation, the new SHS scale coupler is perhaps 3/32" inch below where it should be. The engine is the AF hirail version and came with the AF compatible coupler. Since in my limited experience this has not happened, my questions are, how close is close enough? And it looks to me as though it would take some very careful engineering indeed to bring the coupler height up to perfect: nearly as I can tell, there seems to be no easy way to either shave off the top of the coupler box or the bottom of the tender. I have not run the engine on a layout, so can't say if it might actually uncouple on inclines or curves, bumps in the roadbed, etc. Any thoughts appreciated : Roy Inman Confused and dazed on back pain killers late in Lenexa...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40071	From: Rick Evans	Date: 4/18/2006
Subject: Fw: [S-Trains] Bumper Lighting & Lueck 8x8 Layout Progress

Yeah Michael,.........what's the scoop on this? http://s-scale.org/albums/v/friends/pianoman/albuq01/S4200019.jpg.html Thanks! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40072	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 4/19/2006
Subject: Re: Bumper Lighting & Lueck 8x8 Layout Progress

On Tue, 18 Apr 2006 20:26:30 -0700, David Dewey wrote: >Lotsa action on that layout, Micheal, but what's all that empty floor space >I see around it??? Must cover all floor with layout!! is the unwritten rule >of railroad property acquisition! This is only a practice layout, get equipment restored, tested, etc... AND have some real fun while it lasts. Get the house restoration done, business properly started, office moves out of the real layout room, and then start on the CK&S model in 25x15. This table was thrown together out of removed deck wood, and plywood waiting for installation. Thus, budget of $0 plus time for a nice temp table! ;-) >Interesting abandoned railroad in one album. Would be a fun motorcar run! >Bridge sign makes no sense though, "Caution Bridge work at D Ave." Wonder if >it was some wag's idea of a joke? Yea, and have a local motorcar friend too... don't tempt me! ;-) D ave bridge was out for replacement, done, and sign is gone. Those are CK&S tracks pictured. Pics are some things that made it through the server move.... someday get organized in Gallery again. Blessings, Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40073	From: don@showcaseline.com	Date: 4/19/2006
Subject: Re: SHS 2-8-0 rear KD style coupler

Dear Roy, Sitting in a hotel room waiting to set up for York and I saw your e-mail. I wonder if you replaced the AF coupler with the spacer provided? This will bring the tender coupler to the correct height. One more thing on the spacer that is not in the instructions (Yikes, 42 pages and somehow we missed this!). If you look at the AF coupler, the mount has one corner clipped off to clear the brake lever. This was missed on the spacer. If you look at the AF coupler and hold the spacer in the same orientation, you can see which corner needs to be clipped. This is a bit of a challange to put the spacer on the truck bolster due to the tender wires prevent the truck from lifting off completly. I guess you could take the tender shell off and unplug the tender wires to give a bit more length of wire. Best regards from York, Don

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40074	From: Bill Clark	Date: 4/19/2006
Subject: Re: SHS Consolidation coupler change

Hi Roy, The kadee-style coupler included with the SHS Consolidation should come out pretty close to perfect height, within .010". I have found that it is very easy to not get the coupler mounted completely flat and level, and that is normally the problem if it comes out low. If the coupler seems to be angled down, that's probably the reason. Make sure that it is pressed flat against the underside of the tenders. You do need to use the spacer under the rear truck bolster. Cut one corner off the spacer to match the AF compatible spacer which is part of the AF compatible coupler. This is required to clear some of the brake detail. regards, Bill At 11:27 PM 4/18/2006 -0500, Roy Inman wrote: >I have not changed out many couplers from AF to scale, but the few that I >have changed came out darn near exactly where the Kadee coupler gauge >showed. >However, on my SHS Consolidation, the new SHS scale coupler is perhaps 3/32" >inch below where it should be. The engine is the AF hirail version and came >with the AF compatible coupler. >Since in my limited experience this has not happened, my questions are, how >close is close enough? And it looks to me as though it would take some very >careful engineering indeed to bring the coupler height up to perfect: nearly >as I can tell, there seems to be no easy way to either shave off the top of >the coupler box or the bottom of the tender. I have not run the engine on a >layout, so can't say if it might actually uncouple on inclines or curves, >bumps in the roadbed, etc. >Any thoughts appreciated : >Roy Inman >Confused and dazed on back pain killers late in Lenexa... > > > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >Enjoy thousands of great photos >at http://S-Scale.org/albums >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40075	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 4/19/2006
Subject: YORK THIS YEAR

I had made reservations and paid for admission BUT I will not be seeing you this week as my work load and client demands have reached an all time high. I will keep in touch but miss seeing you all. All of my trains and track are now in boxes for moving. You may visit my former model railroad by going to: http://www.ramshillfarm.com/GlennRitter/Family/ModelRR/Belfry.html Glenn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40076	From: Roy Inman	Date: 4/19/2006
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Re: SHS 2-8-0 rear KD style coupler

Thanks to Don and others for the suggestions on the coupler change out. I did in fact discover that the corner needs to be snipped off to clear the brake lever. I had not seen mention of this on any of the lists, and as Don point out, it was not mentioned in the instructions; but I could not see any other way that the coupler would have complete range of motion. My problem may be just the fact that I did not get the coupler seated properly. I guess my excuses are that I need a more powerful magnifier and that these back pain pills make me more woozy than normal. Cheers :) Roy Inman > From: don@... > Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 07:51:56 -0400 > To: rinphoto@... > Cc: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, S-trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: {S-Scale List} Re: SHS 2-8-0 rear KD style coupler > > Dear Roy, > Sitting in a hotel room waiting to set up for York and I saw your e-mail. I > wonder if you replaced the AF coupler with the spacer provided? This will > bring the tender coupler to the correct height. One more thing on the spacer > that is not in the instructions (Yikes, 42 pages and somehow we missed this!). > If you look at the AF coupler, the mount has one corner clipped off to clear > the brake lever. This was missed on the spacer. If you look at the AF > coupler and hold the spacer in the same orientation, you can see which corner > needs to be clipped. This is a bit of a challange to put the spacer on the > truck bolster due to the tender wires prevent the truck from lifting off > completly. I guess you could take the tender shell off and unplug the tender > wires to give a bit more length of wire. > Best regards from York, > Don > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40077	From: Roy Inman	Date: 4/19/2006
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Mikado coupler change

Steve, Many thanks for again posting the information :) As soon as I saw it, I did in fact recall the post but not the details. Roy Inman www.unionstationphotos.com > From: srs@... > Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 10:09:42 -0500 (CDT) > To: Roy Inman <rinphoto@...> > Cc: S-Scale <s-scale@yahoogroups.com>, S-trains <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Mikado coupler change > > > I have installed a SHS style Kadee coupler on the tender of my Mikado. I > thind I posted a responce on how to do this a few months ago. However, > here it is again. > > I removed the tender body from the frame, you may get by without doing > this. I then cut the tongue that holds the AF type coupler off from the > rear truck. Drill holes in the rear of the tender the appropriate size > for the SHS self tapping screws that come with their coupler. You then > will mount about a 1/8" thick piece of styrene on the under side of the > tender and mount the coupler to that. Basically, I mounted the styrene to > the tender with 2 self tapping screws and the coupler to the styrene with > 2 additional self tapping screws. Hope this helps. > > Steve Lunde

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40078	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 4/19/2006
Subject: Tom Jarcho Folded Figure Eight Track Plans Back Online

Subject says it all. Paul re-provided the pics. Google had Tom's text archived. I just did a bit of shuffle. And the second end result it... http://s-scale.org/albums/v/info/jarcho/ Enjoy! Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40079	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 4/19/2006
Subject: ROYAL GORGE & THE D&RG

Tried looking for the Royal Gorge on AOL Search. Came up with some really good stuff about the D&RG and an unusual bit of trackwork they did to get the tracks laid on a rock wall in the Gorge. I remembered this place from a trip there as a child. The had a bridge that went out to a pinnacle that served as the turnaround. Really scary as a kid in an old 48' Plymouth on a bridge made of wood planks. Anyway a neat search, Mike ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40080	From: Robert Graves	Date: 4/19/2006
Subject: Re: ROYAL GORGE & THE D&RG

I was there in 1949 as a kid, too. I wonder if Mike's family is in any of the pictures I have from my Dad. My family walked out onto the bridge, buyt they couldn't get me to cross it! SCAAAAARRRRRRY! If anybody's interested, I can email my Dad's pictures or put them in a gallery. I recently sent them to a friend near Portland who's modelling that area. Bob anormal1@... wrote: Tried looking for the Royal Gorge on AOL Search. Came up with some really good stuff about the D&RG and an unusual bit of trackwork they did to get the tracks laid on a rock wall in the Gorge. I remembered this place from a trip there as a child. The had a bridge that went out to a pinnacle that served as the turnaround. Really scary as a kid in an old 48' Plymouth on a bridge made of wood planks. Anyway a neat search, Mike ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40081	From: Frank Bernard	Date: 4/19/2006
Subject: Commercial : New S Scale Tom Yorke Kit

To All, I have posted some pictures of a new Tom Yorke kit. The pics can be found in the following folder: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/files/Tom_Yorke/ Here is the information on the kit: The structure is The Cut Stone Storefront. Hydrocal castings with resin roof and doors, and styrene window castings. Limited run kit and first in a series. Colorful weathered signs included. Available in short supply starting May 1st. $49.50 plus shipping -- $5 U S and $8 foreign. The kit can be ordered using paypal and the email address listed below. To order, contact Tom at: tomyorke@... Frank [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40082	From: manderman	Date: 4/19/2006
Subject: Re: ROYAL GORGE & THE D&RG

I always enjoy seeing old photos. Mark Anderman I was there in 1949 as a kid, too. I wonder if Mike's family is in any of the pictures I have from my Dad. My family walked out onto the bridge, buyt they couldn't get me to cross it! SCAAAAARRRRRRY! If anybody's interested, I can email my Dad's pictures or put them in a gallery. I recently sent them to a friend near Portland who's modelling that area. Bob anormal1@... wrote: Tried looking for the Royal Gorge on AOL Search. Came up with some really good stuff about the D&RG and an unusual bit of trackwork they did to get the tracks laid on a rock wall in the Gorge. I remembered this place from a trip there as a child. The had a bridge that went out to a pinnacle that served as the turnaround. Really scary as a kid in an old 48' Plymouth on a bridge made of wood planks. Anyway a neat search, Mike ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40083	From: Phil K	Date: 4/19/2006
Subject: Lift bridge how-to with photos finished

I finally finished this -- had to re-take a couple of the photos. Hope it helps those of you who'd like to eliminate those back-breaking duck- unders. Go here and click the album on "Phil K's Trains and whathaveyous." You'll find the lift-bridge info inside that album, and feel free to visit any of the other albums while you're there. http://s-scale.org/albums/v/friends/?g2_navId=x78cb8e93 Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40084	From: Roy Inman	Date: 4/19/2006
Subject: Re: Lift bridge how-to with photos finished

Phil; Thanks very much for those very informative photos. I suppose there is some particular carpentry name for those hinges? But in any event they can probably can be found pretty easily by just poking around in the hardware store. Looks as though those bridges are a lot like the Marx and Lionel ones from decades hence. True or false? And what track are you using? Turnouts? Scale or hirail or both? Cheers :) Roy Inman www.unionstationphotos.com > From: Phil K <waldootten@...> > Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 03:48:25 +0000 > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] Lift bridge how-to with photos finished > > I finally finished this -- had to re-take a couple of the photos. Hope > it helps those of you who'd like to eliminate those back-breaking duck- > unders. > > Go here and click the album on "Phil K's Trains and whathaveyous." > You'll find the lift-bridge info inside that album, and feel free to > visit any of the other albums while you're there. > > http://s-scale.org/albums/v/friends/?g2_navId=x78cb8e93 > > Phil K > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40085	From: Phil K	Date: 4/19/2006
Subject: Re: Lift bridge how-to with photos finished

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Roy Inman <rinphoto@...> wrote: > > Phil; > Thanks very much for those very informative photos. > I suppose there is some particular carpentry name for those hinges? But in any event they can probably can be found pretty easily by just poking around in the hardware store. Roy -- click http://www.rockler.com/product.cfm?page=$0 > Looks as though those bridges are a lot like the Marx and Lionel ones from decades hence. True or false? True. Got 'em at a train show. > And what track are you using? Turnouts? Scale or hirail or both? American Models. > Cheers :) > Roy Inman > www.unionstationphotos.com > > > From: Phil K <waldootten@...> > > Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 03:48:25 +0000 > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [S-Trains] Lift bridge how-to with photos finished > > > > I finally finished this -- had to re-take a couple of the photos. Hope > > it helps those of you who'd like to eliminate those back- breaking duck- > > unders. > > > > Go here and click the album on "Phil K's Trains and whathaveyous." > > You'll find the lift-bridge info inside that album, and feel free to > > visit any of the other albums while you're there. > > > > http://s-scale.org/albums/v/friends/?g2_navId==x78cb8e93 > > > > Phil K > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > > at http://S-Scale.org/albums > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40086	From: Velapoldi	Date: 4/20/2006
Subject: Re: ROYAL GORGE & THE D&RG

Hi Bob: Pictures are always interesting. Would definitely like to see them: either send them to me off line or in a gallery. Either way is fine! Rance Velapoldi (Norway) Robert Graves wrote: >I was there in 1949 as a kid, too. I wonder if Mike's family is in any of the pictures I have from my Dad. My family walked out onto the bridge, buyt they couldn't get me to cross it! SCAAAAARRRRRRY! > > If anybody's interested, I can email my Dad's pictures or put them in a gallery. I recently sent them to a friend near Portland who's modelling that area. > > Bob > > >anormal1@... wrote: > Tried looking for the Royal Gorge on AOL Search. Came up with some really >good stuff about the D&RG and an unusual bit of trackwork they did to get the >tracks laid on a rock wall in the Gorge. >I remembered this place from a trip there as a child. The had a bridge that >went out to a pinnacle that served as the turnaround. Really scary as a kid in >an old 48' Plymouth on a bridge made of wood planks. >Anyway a neat search, Mike > >ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID >Michael Strickland >211 Summit Ave. >Medford, Ore. 97501 > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >Enjoy thousands of great photos >at http://S-Scale.org/albums >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > >--------------------------------- >Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >Enjoy thousands of great photos >at http://S-Scale.org/albums >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40087	From: T Larson	Date: 4/20/2006
Subject: JL

I recently visited the regular Thursday night club work night of my alma mater, the P&PSSW. On the way to the meeting, Ken Zieska took me to a layout that I'd not previously seen. I spotted some items there worthy of note. - A Showcaseline pig flat was modified with an extra hitch stand (fifth wheel) to carry 2 of the Hartoy short trailers. The trailers had been redecorated by Tom Lennon in 2 versions of CB&Q using HO trailer decals, which looked "just right" on these trailers. - I noticed a 1960 Ford Country Squire (with fake wood sides), a model that I'd not previously seen. It is by JL. As with other JL models, it is not exactly 1/64th scale, but is only 1/32 inch less than the correct 1-1/8 inch (6 S scale feet) width (2 inches). This seems trivial, but it is VERY noticable next to a car that is correct S scale. O well, we don't have any station wagons. This car is available also as Country Sedan (without fake wood sides), decorated for Coke and http://www.stutt.com/collect/images/6050.jpg Since there was one JL car that I was not aware of, I figgered I'd better check for more. Passing through the Detroit airport, I looked in the Dearborn Village Museum store and the neighboring GM store. Good move. I found a 1955 Tucker that looks close to S scale, and a 1961 Pontiac Catalina and 1957 Lincoln Premiere that both measure exactly 6 S feet wide. The 1955 Chrysler C-300 and 1964 Falcon Sedan Delivery look too much undersize for me. http://www.stutt.com/collect/images/6057.jpg http://www.stutt.com/collect/images/6054.jpg http://www.stutt.com/collect/images/6061.jpg I stopped at ToysRUs to try my luck again. They had several 2-packs for only $3 each; - 1965 and 1955 Chev pickups (both S scale), - 1955 Ford panel truck and 1966 Ford Bronco (both S scale) http://www.1stopdiecast.com/johnnylightning/CURRENT/PHOTOS/SUV/JLTrucksSUVR1.JPG http://www.stutt.com/collect/images/6053.jpg Stop by the JL website and let them know that you appreciate the accurate scale 1/64th vehicles. Look at http://www.stutt.com/collect/jlightning.shtml to see other JL items that I've not been able to measure. -- Ted Larson http://www.aroundcinci.com/icams/museum/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40088	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 4/20/2006
Subject: Sad Note

It was reported to me early on the Fairgrounds this day, that Robert "Bob" Tufts passed away sometime Wednesday. He was found in his room when he didn't appear at his table and friends went to find him. No further info as yet. Jim Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40089	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 4/20/2006
Subject: Digest Number 4128, Yorkin'

Monday early was a wash, bailed early.. Worked the Train Shop on Tuesday. Wednesday 0600 at Red Caboose Motel Restaurant, excellent breakfast for the E & M Museum and Parking Crew. Attendance on the Beautiful day in Lancaster County far less than the Parking Guys expected. Unusual "Photo Opportunity" late in the day as a father snapped pics of Mike Wolf with his child in a stroller, then Jerry Calabrese with the child and then BOTH of the Exec's, one on either side of the stroller, both grinning big smiles. We just watched, don't know which one of them thought of it, was great to see. As usual, NO ONE can read traffic signs, the only person who DID NOT make a left turn at the NO LEFT TURN sign into NTTM was a job applicant. The ONLY driver to actually drive to the side of the Museum Bldg. THRU the retention basin was from New York, claiming we told him to do it. The MOST unbelievable thing I've seen there, and of course, NOT their fault. Once again, quite happy NONE of us were run over. Thursday was a beautiful day on the Fairgrounds, Most people paused when the Star Spangled Banner was played, the Veterans, of course, placing their hats or hands on their hearts as it played in West Manchester Twp. Fairground food is always plentiful and varied, and as a "Public Service" we try to check it out and report. As always, Sherri's Crab Cakes were popular as was "Big Bob's BBQ" near the "Orange Hall". Apparently "Big Bob" (ALL the males are named Bob) is willing to wear a mini-skirt at least once (depending on availabliity of sufficient cloth, of course) to draw a crowd. "Big Bob's"prices were perhaps the most reasonable on the property, and the food is quite tasty. Waited way too long for Ice Cream in the Blue/Silver lobby, didn't get any Ice Cream. Conversations EVERYWHERE about "Gas Prices" and the "Economy in general. Had the pleasant surprise of a couple of minutes vist with Nick Ladd, ALWAYS a nice guy and a "class act". Nick is currently a "civilian", wandering the halls with the rest of us. Would hope a manufacturer would grab up Nick with his obvious talents. S-Helper's Consolidations are running flawlessly on their CTT featured layout. Lots of activity at MTH, somewhat less at LIONEL. ATLAS has a large display where K-Line had been located. I am probably already in trouble for not mentining the hundreds of great people I got to wave to or shake hands with in passing or while sitting with Carol and John at the NATIONAL Desk. Nicole is at "Registration" with her membership knowledge. Looking forward to the "World's Most Expensive Breakfast (at York)" tomorrow at 0700. Hope to see you on the Fairgrounds (EASTERN seems to have another GREAT Show on there hands). Jim "LIVIN' on the Great Broad Way" Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40090	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 4/20/2006
Subject: Re: Sad Note

Yes, it is true that Bob did past away today, as I got a call from Ralph Loveless, his partner and friend in selling AF. And I too, am sadden, as Bob and Ralph signed my TCA application in 1992, as neither knew me at all, but they still signed my form. Bob was always there for his customers and his knowledge in AF was just amazing. He always found the time in his busy schedule to answer any question I had about AF. I am going to York tomorrow and it will be a sad day. I am told his viewing will be on Tuesday in Virginia, which I will go to will Ralph. Bob will greatly missed, not only for his dealings in AF, but because he was a wonderful person in life. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: <WJJIM@...> To: <s-trains@yahoogroups.com>; <S-scale@yahoogroups.com>; <toytrains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 9:25 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Sad Note > It was reported to me early on the Fairgrounds this day, that Robert "Bob" > Tufts passed away sometime Wednesday. He was found in his room when he > didn't > appear at his table and friends went to find him. No further info as > yet. > > Jim Lyle > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40091	From: George Cohn	Date: 4/20/2006
Subject: Re: Sad Note

Michael and Linda Marmer wrote: > Yes, it is true that Bob did past away today, as I got a call from Ralph > Loveless, his partner and friend in selling AF. That is indeed sad. He answered a question I had about my #300 dealer display just a few months ago in S Gaugian. I've been re-reading a lot of the back issues and Tom Jarcho who wrote the Roundhouse column passed away last year as well. For old guys like me who received American Flyer as Christmas presents in the early 50's, this is a sad note. Both of them will be missed. George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40092	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 4/20/2006
Subject: Really Sad News

Yesterday morning Bob Tufts got up, visited several people at the various bandit meets before York, and later returned to his room. People were suspicous when his tables at the Billy Budd went uncovered late into the day so the police were called and discovered Bob dead in his room lying on his bed. For those of you who do not know Bob, he was a font of Gilbert information. He has studied copies of the Amato files, written the definite book on AF sets, and was in the process of writing another book with Bob Bubeck. He was editor of the AF Collectors Column in S Gaugian. He also hosted the Gilbert Get Together at York, which met tonight without Bob's presence. Bob's presence will be sorely missed, not just at York but by the entire AF community. Several fabulous tributes were made in Bob's behalf tonight. Funeral arrangements are incomplete at this point, although there will be a viewing in northern Virginia on Tuesday evening and Bob will be buried in Arlington cemetery. Barb and others on this list will keep us informed of the plans. Joe Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613*9 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock; More than 1,300 part lines American Models ##### S-Helper Service ###### K-Line S Gauge joestrainrepair@... Master Card/Visa

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40094	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 4/21/2006
Subject: York

Well, Linda and I are leaving for York in about 30 minutes, as we have great sadness today, due to the passing of Bob Tufts. If the flag at the fairgrounds could be at half staff today for Bob, I wish Clem will do that, but I am not sure, that can happen. I will write later on the day's events. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40095	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 4/21/2006
Subject: Re: YORK Activities

It would be great to hear from those attending York, how things are going and what great buys you made. Also, tell our S Gauge buddies, like Don and Robin Thompson, Joe Haen at Joes Train Repair Hello. Also did anyone make it to the VALENCIA BALLROOM bandit meet, i heard it was supposed to be pretty good this year? Jerry Matsick Jacksonville

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40096	From: NASG Library	Date: 4/21/2006
Subject: S scale station wagons

All -- I noticed Ted Larson's e-mail, excerpted below. "I noticed a 1960 Ford Country Squire (with fake wood sides), a modelthat I'd not previously seen. It is by JL. As with other JL models, itis not exactly 1/64th scale, but is only 1/32 inch less than the correct1-1/8 inch (6 S scale feet) width (2 inches). This seems trivial, butit is VERY noticable next to a car that is correct S scale. O well, wedon't have any station wagons." Please be aware that Railmaster Exports makes a 1940s-era wood-side station wagon kit in S scale. It's Kit #R204. Dick Karnes

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40097	From: rkuepper	Date: 4/21/2006
Subject: Re: YORK Activities

The Gilbert meet was packed! Many people spoke about Bob, and it was quite emotional. Nevertheless, the Show and Tell went on as usual, and as Bob likely would have wanted. Dick Kuepper Aurora, OH -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Matsick Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 12:09 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] re: YORK Activities It would be great to hear from those attending York, how things are going and what great buys you made. Also, tell our S Gauge buddies, like Don and Robin Thompson, Joe Haen at Joes Train Repair Hello. Also did anyone make it to the VALENCIA BALLROOM bandit meet, i heard it was supposed to be pretty good this year? Jerry Matsick Jacksonville

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40098	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 4/21/2006
Subject: BETH> DOCKSIDER

Anyone gotten the Beth. Docksider yet? I got a call that mine will be shipped Monday. Mike ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40099	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 4/21/2006
Subject: Yorkin' again

The "World's most expensive breakfast (in York)" was a pleasant experience, altho sparsely attended. Less than half the seats in use. Clem did his presentation several tables away from ours, "The Other Clem" graced us with his presence. David Doyle (from so far south in Maine they call the place Tennesee) wandered in with an entourage, be sure to check the latest "O'Briens" on trains, A/F Pre-war "O", "S" of course and H-O included. Way to go. Sad to report NO Star Spangled Banner this day. Can't think of a better way to start any day, these days. Shopping was brisk, don't know if money was spent or "tires were just kicked", but those there did move around. I waited 30 minutes in the "White Hall" to see one person specifically, he was rumored to be in attendance, wasn't at his table. "Big Bob" must have been out looking for cloth, Beef BBQ was excellent. SHS crew most amenable as always. Visited many other dealers during the course of the day. Lots of aisle space to move around and see things. Looked like lots of "bargains" to be had. Dinner in downtown York and back to the "Great Broad Way". See you there Saturday AM. Jim "It's rainin' on the Great Broad Way" Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40100	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 4/21/2006
Subject: Re: York

Mike...... Barb had them announce the time change for the 8 pm meet...... I know she informed them of Bob too....... However I never heard any thing announced...... this morning there was a simple note on his table that said "He would not be set up"..... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> To: <s-trains@yahoogroups.com>; <toytrains@yahoogroups.com>; <ralcor888@...> Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 5:21 AM Subject: [S-Trains] York > Well, Linda and I are leaving for York in about 30 minutes, as we have > great sadness today, due to the passing of Bob Tufts. > > If the flag at the fairgrounds could be at half staff today for Bob, I > wish Clem will do that, but I am not sure, that can happen. > > I will write later on the day's events. > > Mike Marmer > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40101	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 4/22/2006
Subject: York

Just drug this tired butt in...... I feel fortunate to have known Bob..... we talked both Monday and Tuesday and I wondered why his table wasn't uncovered at 10:00.... he was at the Hilidrome at that time...... the "S" meet had a lot of heavy hearts..... but went on as Bob would have wanted......... today I went to the Lionel booth.... No NORTHERN on Display....... but they said they were shipping soon...... When I asked about the next loco..... The 0-6-0 all they would say was ...."I can't say...... just watch for the new catalogs........ I think it might be next....... Bugged the peopls e at Atlas too..... Bob

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40102	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 4/22/2006
Subject: Re: York

Sorry he was reffering to a future upcoming cat...We talked about the Docksider..... Like he said if he admitted anything he would be letting the cat out...... The Northern was not said much of until its there..... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: frank emiro To: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2006 9:53 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] York They show a RED NYC Christmas Engine for the season in the L cat. ROBERT ALLEN CONNER <rcon7@...> wrote: Just drug this tired butt in...... I feel fortunate to have known Bob..... we talked both Monday and Tuesday and I wondered why his table wasn't uncovered at 10:00.... he was at the Hilidrome at that time...... the "S" meet had a lot of heavy hearts..... but went on as Bob would have wanted......... today I went to the Lionel booth.... No NORTHERN on Display....... but they said they were shipping soon...... When I asked about the next loco..... The 0-6-0 all they would say was ...."I can't say...... just watch for the new catalogs........ I think it might be next....... Bugged the peopls e at Atlas too..... Bob S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums Yahoo! Groups Links ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40103	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 4/22/2006
Subject: Yorkin' again, the final day

Saturday dawned damp and rainy, stayed that way, STILL that way. Hoping the folks who had to load and move got to do so as dryly as possible and are safely travelling home. Dealers thoughts were all over the place as far as sales, attendance, etc. Bum knee forced me to meet several of the "shuttle drivers" on the Fairgrounds, nice people who did a nice job. Food stands were closing fast at 1230 hrs as were some dealers, despite admonishments from Dan Danileson to the contrary. Lokking at BOTH sides of that issue, the guy who hit town last Saturday to start selling from his room is undoubtedly anxious to "get outta York". BUT, the guys and gals who can ONLY get to York on Saturday should not be short-changed by this. Their admission money has to be of importance to them in this economy. Be interesting to hear if anything did happen. Gas creeping towards $3.00 per gallon, the "Media" announced it would happen, so now it is alright, I guess. Yea, right. Great time, fewer people, unfortunately. EASTERN Div once again offered us a great show. Thanks, Jim "buildin' a boat on the Great Broad Way" Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40104	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 4/22/2006
Subject: York and 663's

Still tired from the fast trip...... But my trip was odd I feel, Sunday Jax to Mdt got to motel at midnight. Monday.... Billy Bud had 1 setup in lot, about 1/2 inside- Holidrome about 15 outside.... inside about 1/2..... Best west..... drove by.... about 2 setups...... Firehall about 1/2 full with "s".... parking no prob.......hosses with Bill at 7 Tuesday.... BB had I think 3 outside..... inside mostly full.... Holidrome inside almost full.... outside about 20+ tables....... Best west....got out and looked at the 5 or 6 tables....... firehall nicer...... went to TCA museum to look at my bricks.....and exibits......went back to room and missed dinner with all... bad feeling in me...Wed.... BB 4 outside..... inside mostly full....... Holidrome inside full..... lobby only 2 tables..... outside about 1/2 full..... firehall more nice stuff.......Parking never a problem.... at the Holidrome.... drove right up to the yellow tape line.... got out and started looking..... no parking at Mall ever this time...... dinner with about 8 of our group...... REALLY NICE BUNCH OF GUYS AND GAL...... Thursday..... halls seemed kinda light..... lots of empty tables....... Night meet Great....... Friday seemed like a lot more tables were set up..... Loved all the Museum pieces on the tables...... Prices High...... But offers were accepted..... left York at 2:30 to go for my plane at MDT..... Home at midnight.....Picked up 4 nice boxed sets, 625 painted orange shell tank, and at the S get together...... I brought home the Sunset 4-8-8-4 Brass that was talked about.... so to those who were there..... It won't be for sale later this year......Now to add a fireplace to my home for it to sit on......... 663..... did any one get the forwarded e-mail I sent last night...... That guys polish makes the tail of it like a mirror... the one that had a polish for airplane props.... send me an e-mail and I will try to send a copy to you..... has possibilities...... I am going to get a bottle and try it.... Bob

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40105	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 4/22/2006
Subject: Sunday Chat, 4/23/2006, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 40106	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 4/22/2006
Subject: Robert Tufts

Robert Joseph Tufts TUFTS, ROBERT JOSEPH, Lt. Col. USAF (Ret.) Suddenly on April 19, 2006, in York, PA. ROBERT J. TUFTS, beloved husband of Pamela Jean Tufts; loving father of Donna Hayes (Randy) and Valerie Showers (Mike); dear brother of Sally Rickson (Roy); cherished grandfather of Ricky and Samantha Hayes and Robert Showers; son-in-law of Catherine Murphy; brother-in-law of Don Murphy (Carolynne); uncle of Kara and Joe Rickson. The family will receive friends at EVERLY FUNERAL HOME, 10565 Main St., Fairfax, VA on Sunday, April 30 from 2 to 5 p.m., where funeral services will be held Monday, May 1, at 11 a.m. Interment with Military Honors Tuesday, May 2, 10 a.m., Arlington National Cemetery. Friends are asked to gather at the Administration Building by 9:30. Memorial contributions may be made to the charity of the donor's choice. http://www.everlyfuneralhomes.com The above is from the Washington Post for our member of the TCA, Bob Tufts. Many in the TCA may not know of Bob, but he was one of the premier experts in the knowledge of American Flyer. His detailed knowledge of things was something else. He knew the problems that the factory would include with products, etc. I was lucky to live near Bob, as his signed my TCA application in 1992, with out him every seeing me. It was through Bob, that I got most of my knowledge on AF. No matter how busy he was at work, and he was, he would always get back to me on any question. I even build my shelving on how he built his shelving. This is a complete shock to me and others about Bob and he will be missed greatly, not only for his knowledge of AF, but for his kindness to anyone. Please go the website for the funeral home and sign the guest book, even if you don't know Bob. It will show the family you care. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40107	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 4/22/2006
Subject: Re: Robert Tufts

Mike.....are you sure of the link..... can't log in...... Bob C ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> To: <s-trains@yahoogroups.com>; <toytrains@yahoogroups.com>; "Ralph Loveless" <ralcor888@...> Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2006 8:13 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Robert Tufts > Robert Joseph Tufts > TUFTS, ROBERT JOSEPH, Lt. Col. USAF (Ret.) > Suddenly on April 19, 2006, in York, PA. ROBERT J. TUFTS, beloved > husband of Pamela Jean Tufts; loving father of Donna Hayes (Randy) and > Valerie Showers (Mike); dear brother of Sally Rickson (Roy); cherished > grandfather of Ricky and Samantha Hayes and Robert Showers; son-in-law of > Catherine Murphy; brother-in-law of Don Murphy (Carolynne); uncle of Kara > and Joe Rickson. The family will receive friends at EVERLY FUNERAL HOME, > 10565 Main St., Fairfax, VA on Sunday, April 30 from 2 to 5 p.m., where > funeral services will be held Monday, May 1, at 11 a.m. Interment with > Military Honors Tuesday, May 2, 10 a.m., Arlington National Cemetery. > Friends are asked to gather at the Administration Building by 9:30. > Memorial contributions may be made to the charity of the donor's choice. > > http://www.everlyfuneralhomes.com > > > > > The above is from the Washington Post for our member of the TCA, Bob > Tufts. > > Many in the TCA may not know of Bob, but he was one of the premier experts > in the knowledge of American Flyer. His detailed knowledge of things was > something else. He knew the problems that the factory would include with > products, etc. > > I was lucky to live near Bob, as his signed my TCA application in 1992, > with out him every seeing me. It was through Bob, that I got most of my > knowledge on AF. No matter how busy he was at work, and he was, he would > always get back to me on any question. I even build my shelving on how he > built his shelving. > > This is a complete shock to me and others about Bob and he will be missed > greatly, not only for his knowledge of AF, but for his kindness to anyone. > > Please go the website for the funeral home and sign the guest book, even > if you don't know Bob. It will show the family you care. > > Mike Marmer > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40108	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 4/22/2006
Subject: Re: ROYAL GORGE & THE D&RG

Mike.....I have walked and drove over that bridge several times...Remember the guy who Bungee dived off the bridge?.... he almost bounced back up and into the side walls on the rebounds.... somewhere I found a site that runs senic trains thru the gorge....... for a few extra dollars you can ride thru in the deisel cab....... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: <anormal1@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 8:16 PM Subject: [S-Trains] ROYAL GORGE & THE D&RG > Tried looking for the Royal Gorge on AOL Search. Came up with some really > good stuff about the D&RG and an unusual bit of trackwork they did to get > the > tracks laid on a rock wall in the Gorge. > I remembered this place from a trip there as a child. The had a bridge > that > went out to a pinnacle that served as the turnaround. Really scary as a > kid in > an old 48' Plymouth on a bridge made of wood planks. > Anyway a neat search, Mike > > ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID > Michael Strickland > 211 Summit Ave. > Medford, Ore. 97501 > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40109	From: Robert Graves	Date: 4/22/2006
Subject: Re: Robert Tufts

I got to the website with no problem, but found no entry for Bob. ROBERT ALLEN CONNER <rcon7@...> wrote: Mike.....are you sure of the link..... can't log in...... Bob C ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael and Linda Marmer" To: ; ; "Ralph Loveless" Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2006 8:13 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Robert Tufts > Robert Joseph Tufts > TUFTS, ROBERT JOSEPH, Lt. Col. USAF (Ret.) > Suddenly on April 19, 2006, in York, PA. ROBERT J. TUFTS, beloved > husband of Pamela Jean Tufts; loving father of Donna Hayes (Randy) and > Valerie Showers (Mike); dear brother of Sally Rickson (Roy); cherished > grandfather of Ricky and Samantha Hayes and Robert Showers; son-in-law of > Catherine Murphy; brother-in-law of Don Murphy (Carolynne); uncle of Kara > and Joe Rickson. The family will receive friends at EVERLY FUNERAL HOME, > 10565 Main St., Fairfax, VA on Sunday, April 30 from 2 to 5 p.m., where > funeral services will be held Monday, May 1, at 11 a.m. Interment with > Military Honors Tuesday, May 2, 10 a.m., Arlington National Cemetery. > Friends are asked to gather at the Administration Building by 9:30. > Memorial contributions may be made to the charity of the donor's choice. > > http://www.everlyfuneralhomes.com > > > > > The above is from the Washington Post for our member of the TCA, Bob > Tufts. > > Many in the TCA may not know of Bob, but he was one of the premier experts > in the knowledge of American Flyer. His detailed knowledge of things was > something else. He knew the problems that the factory would include with > products, etc. > > I was lucky to live near Bob, as his signed my TCA application in 1992, > with out him every seeing me. It was through Bob, that I got most of my > knowledge on AF. No matter how busy he was at work, and he was, he would > always get back to me on any question. I even build my shelving on how he > built his shelving. > > This is a complete shock to me and others about Bob and he will be missed > greatly, not only for his knowledge of AF, but for his kindness to anyone. > > Please go the website for the funeral home and sign the guest book, even > if you don't know Bob. It will show the family you care. > > Mike Marmer > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40110	From: Phil K	Date: 4/22/2006
Subject: What to do if you make too much money

These say it all, and these guys are nuts! http://tinyurl.com/ghlrh http://tinyurl.com/eankv Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40111	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 4/23/2006
Subject: Re: Really Sad News -- Digest Number 3031

As everyone, I shall miss Bob Tuft's strong presence at York and his articles in S Gaugian. A misconception, however, requires correction. Bob and I were not in a book writing project together. Bob Bubeck In a message dated 4/21/2006 6:24:58 AM Eastern Daylight Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes: For those of you who do not know Bob, he was a font of Gilbert information. He has studied copies of the Amato files, written the definite book on AF sets, and was in the process of writing another book with Bob Bubeck. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40112	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 4/23/2006
Subject: Re;What to do if you make too much money

Phil, I don't think the modifications to the on board sound systems (adding air horns) did these folks any good. Just being in them while sounding the horn would probably be loud enough to curdle your brain! However, the "rest of the story" is that these guys made their money on the oil commodities market by using any excuse to run the price of oil up $30. per barrel over what the Arabs actually charge for it. In this way they made themselves rich beyond all sane reason without employing anyone, making a product, or even getting their hands dirty. (And they got their start in the market trading Flatulene futures!) As to your statement that "these guys must be nuts," allow me to correct you by saying that if you are rich enough you're just "eccentric." Stumpy Stone...proud holder of a B.S. in B.S. from the University of Appalachia. ;>)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40113	From: Keith Blanchard	Date: 4/23/2006
Subject: Re: What to do if you make too much money

Way Cool! Looks like they are having fun. That's what counts. Bet it drives the neighbors nuts while testing the installation. Stay Cool, Keith

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40114	From: kenwoodies1	Date: 4/23/2006
Subject: Re: What to do if you make too much money

Phil, This is just what I need when I'm driving down a 50mph road that you can't pass on and the person in front of me is talking on the cell phone and doing 30mph! Jim Duncan

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40115	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 4/23/2006
Subject: Interesting morning

Saturday Morning found Lovely Linda and I checking out materials for the next display layout we are about to start. She was browsing in a booth with materials of great interest to her expertise and suddenly walked out. Seems the "clerk" ignored her while offering to help the four males in the booth. OOOOPS, what a dummy. You can be sure she will acquire what she needs somewhere else. NO doubt. Jim "amazed on the Great Broad Way" Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40116	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 4/23/2006
Subject: Re: Re;What to do if you make too much money

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Stumpy Stone" <mrstumpy@...> wrote: > Stumpy Stone...proud holder of a B.S. in B.S. from the University of > Appalachia. ;>) > And all this time I thought you held a PHD (post hole digger) degree in B.S.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40117	From: Bill Lane	Date: 4/23/2006
Subject: S Scale BF16 Sharks

HI All, I have just completed reworking my A B set of BF16 Sharks. http://mywebpages.comcast.net/billlane/S_Scale_BF16.jpg These are Omnicon Urethane BF16 "Shark" cab units. I bought them painted on eBay from a friend who sold them because "the prototype units arrived new 8 months after my modeling target date of 1950." They were a kit offered in the early 1990s with NWSL drive components. The decal job could have been better. I pretty much painted over all of the areas that were not decaled, added an all wheel pickup electrical system, made the drive bulletproof by pinning all of the slippery plastic NWSL U Joint components to the steel drive shafts, added DCC and lights, and lots of stick on tire weights! They have good pulling power now. I did not install a sound system because they make plenty of growling noises now for free! They are not as nice as the upcoming River Raisin/Boo Rim http://riverraisinmodels.com set that is due later this year, but they will do for now. I have another Omnicon A-B-A set that I want to finish in the Single Stripe Scheme - some day. I am a little "Sharked Out" for now! I also have added a few new photos on my Lanes Trains website if you care to give it a look. Thank You, Bill Lane Modeling the Mighty Pennsy in S Scale in 1957 See my finished models at: http://www.lanestrains.com Over 100 new photos recently added Importing a Brass S Scale PRR X29 & G26 http://www.pennsysmodels.com ALL of the production X29 have arrived as of 6-30-05 Replacement PRR decals arrived 10-5-05 The G26 & G26a is complete. PRR Builders Photos Bought, Sold & Traded (Trading is MUCH preferred) http://mywebpages.comcast.net/billlane/PRRphotos.xls ***Join the PRR T&HS*** The other members are not ALL like me! http://www.prrths.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40118	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 4/23/2006
Subject: Sunday Chat, 4/23/2006, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 40119	From: beebear	Date: 4/23/2006
Subject: Track and switches for sale or trade

I have a large box of American Flyer track and probably 20 working switches, some with controls for sale or trade. Contact me off list if interested at beebear@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40120	From: Roy Inman	Date: 4/23/2006
Subject: AM coupler changeout

Hi all; I have an A-B set of SHS UP F3's. Coupler changeout on them from AF compatible to SHS was of course a snap. I also have a set of AM UP Budd cars with AF compatible couplers and want to change them out to more scale-like as well. Could someone please advise as to what would be the best coupler to use? SHS will obviously mate perfectly, but AM makes scale couplers for the cars. And there are always the Kadees, et al. I guess I want something that will work well that is the easiest to install. Not that I am that lazy, I just like to use the KISS principle... Any suggestions appreciated. Cheers :) Roy Inman www.unionstationphotos.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40121	From: Phil K	Date: 4/23/2006
Subject: Photos of UP "Pony Express" in Chicago

The UP ran its Business Train -- a set of premier E8s and passenger consist -- into Chicago Global I today from St. Louis, then back out to Clinton, Iowa, and beyond. Pretty cool. It was traveling around 55 mph each time I saw it (three locations == a quarter-tank o' gas). But it was worth it. I posted some photos of this sparkling piece of history. Click on the link below, go to "Phil K's Trains and Whathaveyou" and click again. The UP pics are in the "My Favorite 12-inch to One Foot" album. http://s-scale.org/albums/v/friends/?g2_navId==xe02d7ae1 Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40122	From: keefer1	Date: 4/24/2006
Subject: FOR SALE

I have a nice 989 ,other than a missing brakewheel looks E to me, A 24849, and a 24843 NP passenger car(shells only,vista dome, combo car) These have Sticker issues and light playwear. Contact me off list for prices and pics. Keith __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40123	From: beebear	Date: 4/24/2006
Subject: Track and switches for sale or trade

Ok So no one needs or wants 400 + pieces of track. There have been several of you guys who did want some track. What you could do, and this has been suggested, pool your requests together and purchase the track and divide it amongst the buying group. I just got done checking out the amount of track and here is what I have 130 curved pieces - rusty 116 straight - clean with a little tarnish on the rails 200 curved - clean with a little tarnish on the rails 10 to 15 pieces misc pieces. I was thinking 50 cents each for the rusty pieces and $1.00 each for the clean ones or $400.00 for all the track shipping included I want to sell the whole lot as one package. If I do get a buyer I will add 2 X tracks to make figure 8's ..... one is in the original box both in like new condition John [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40124	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 4/24/2006
Subject: Re: Photos of UP "Pony Express" in Chicago

Hi Phil, I enjoyed seeing a "real" Pony Express. They probably restored that with the royalties from model train logos. I also liked your Lackawana Hotel lobby where we had our 2001 NASG Convention. Staying on track to Honey Brook, Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phil K" <waldootten@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 12:28 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Photos of UP "Pony Express" in Chicago > The UP ran its Business Train -- a set of premier E8s and passenger > consist -- into Chicago Global I today from St. Louis, then back out > to Clinton, Iowa, and beyond. Pretty cool. It was traveling around 55 > mph each time I saw it (three locations == a quarter-tank o' gas). > > But it was worth it. I posted some photos of this sparkling piece of > history. Click on the link below, go to "Phil K's Trains and > Whathaveyou" and click again. The UP pics are in the "My Favorite > 12-inch to One Foot" album. > > http://s-scale.org/albums/v/friends/?g2_navId==xe02d7ae1 > > Phil K > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40125	From: Roy Inman	Date: 4/24/2006
Subject: Re: Track and switches for sale or trade II

Sounds like an interesting idea... That would involve more shipping hassle for you-two, three, four or more separate shipments. Unless of course by some quirk of fate, all the buyers lived in close proximity. In that case, I see no difference between parting it out and all one money. I suppose one buyer could take responsibility for receiving the entire shipment, get the payments from the other buyers, then ship the individual orders. I would not be willing to take that responsibility. I guess my reasoning-challenged brain cannot come up with an easy solution...others will know better I'm sure. At the outcome, if there is an easy, relatively inexpensive way to get this done, I would be interested in some part of the lot, including some switches. Roy Inman www.unionstationphotos.com > From: beebear <beebear@...> > Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 11:58:23 -0400 > To: S-group <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [S-Trains] Track and switches for sale or trade > > Ok So no one needs or wants 400 + pieces of track. There have been several of > you guys > who did want some track. What you could do, and this has been suggested, pool > your > requests together and purchase the track and divide it amongst the buying > group.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40126	From: Doug	Date: 4/24/2006
Subject: Auction House

Does anyone know the name of the auction house that specializes in trains, that is in the vicinity of Route 23 and route 100 in eastern PA? I can't think of the name or the town. Thanks, Doug

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40127	From: Roy Inman	Date: 4/24/2006
Subject: Older NASG car, or maybe S-Fest?

A few years back a Cook Paint and Varnish Co tank car was the convention car for either the NASG or S Fest. Can't remember which and can't remember when...hmmm, sounds like old time song lyrics... Anyway, does anyone have one or more h/she would be will to sell or trade? Thanks in advance for any responses :) Roy Inman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40128	From: Phil K	Date: 4/24/2006
Subject: Shopping list

Well, as long as we're on the subject today... I'm looking for: 48712 "Happy New Year" caboose - NIB 21210 Burlington F9 -- E or better New York Central passenger set plus extra cars LN or NIB Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40129	From: Robert A Persing	Date: 4/24/2006
Subject: Re: Auction House

The name is Ted Maurer's Auction.It is between Phoenixville and route 100 on route 23 at the Ridge Fire Company.By the way there is a Flyer auction on May 6. He has a web site. www.maurerail.com Bob Persing ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug" <scubadoo2@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 1:18 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Auction House > Does anyone know the name of the auction house that specializes in trains, > that is in the vicinity of Route 23 and route 100 in eastern PA? I can't > think of the name or the town. > Thanks, > Doug > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40130	From: Victor Bereskin	Date: 4/24/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 3034

Actually PhD does relate to B.S., but it stands for Piled Higher and Deeper. Vic Bereskin > Message 1 > From: "Bull_Gator_1" bull_gator_1@... > Date: Sun Apr 23, 2006 2:51pm(PDT) > Subject: Re: Re;What to do if you make too much money > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Stumpy Stone" <mrstumpy@...> wrote: > >> Stumpy Stone...proud holder of a B.S. in B.S. from the University > of >> Appalachia. ;>) >> > > And all this time I thought you held a PHD (post hole digger) degree > in B.S. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40131	From: DougK	Date: 4/24/2006
Subject: Re: Auction House

Thanks to all, for all the replies....and the note about the S auction in May. Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert A Persing" <bobville@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; "Doug" <scubadoo2@...> Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 6:01 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Auction House > The name is Ted Maurer's Auction.It is between Phoenixville and route 100 > on > route 23 at the Ridge Fire Company.By the way there is a Flyer auction on > May 6. > He has a web site. www.maurerail.com Bob Persing > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Doug" <scubadoo2@...> > To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 1:18 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] Auction House > > >> Does anyone know the name of the auction house that specializes in >> trains, >> that is in the vicinity of Route 23 and route 100 in eastern PA? I can't >> think of the name or the town. >> Thanks, >> Doug >> >> >> >> >> >> S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com >> All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! >> >> Enjoy thousands of great photos >> at http://S-Scale.org/albums >> Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40132	From: Robert Graves	Date: 4/24/2006
Subject: Re: Shopping list

Before you ship the NYC passenger set to Phil, could you be so kind as to email me pictures for the Gilbert Gallery? I don't have pictures of that set yet. I need a shot of the whole train on the tracks, plus individual shots of each car and engine. Thanks! Phil K <waldootten@...> wrote: Well, as long as we're on the subject today... I'm looking for: 48712 "Happy New Year" caboose - NIB 21210 Burlington F9 -- E or better New York Central passenger set plus extra cars LN or NIB Phil K S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40133	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 4/24/2006
Subject: FRANKLIN DOCKSIDER SMOKE PISTON

eBay: SMOKE PISTON - FRANKLIN-DOCKSIDER - AMERICAN FLYER (item 6050967757 end time May-11-06 19:14:35 PDT) Someone was looking for one of these awhile back, Mike ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40134	From: tomminil@aol.com	Date: 4/25/2006
Subject: Re: FRANKLIN DOCKSIDER SMOKE PISTON

This should be the same as an HO flyer piston Tom [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40135	From: Robert Graves	Date: 4/25/2006
Subject: Tom Jarco's folded figure-8s got me going

I bought some extra track this winter so I could play on the floor with my grandson and the neighbor kids. Then Rick posted Paul's diagrams of Tom Jarco's folded figure-8s ... http://s-scale.org/albums/v/friends/theupstairstrain/ Nice job with the tutorial and gallery tools. They work great! I'll add my dad's pictures from the Royal Gorge and mine from the California Railroad Museum, etc., later. Thanks again to everyone who urged me to visit the Museum - it was great! --------------------------------- Celebrate Earth Day everyday! Discover 10 things you can do to help slow climate change. Yahoo! Earth Day [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40136	From: Phil K	Date: 4/25/2006
Subject: K-Line announcement from Jerry Calabrese & commentary

K-Line Announcement from Lionel LLC CEO Jerry Calabrese 04/25/2006 Dear Friends, I must confess that I so enjoyed the speculation and armchair lawyering about the future of K-Line that I almost hate bringing it to an end. But, as one of my former mothers-in-law used to say, "Appoint a day and it will come." After a lot of legal wrangling, the K-Line transaction has finally been concluded. As of last week, right before York, Lionel took control of all K-Line assets, including its inventory, intellectual property, tooling, and trademarks. Lionel's deal is with Sanda Kan, K-Line's principal manufacturer and creditor, who, in turn, worked out its own deal with K-Line's bankers before we could move forward. Under the terms of our arrangement, Lionel will control and run the K-Line brand, in all respects, and will have the exclusive right to buy it outright sometime in the near future. Our first step was to take possession of the existing K-Line inventory and move it from its former headquarters in North Carolina. As of today, that's just about done. Our next challenge is to sort through K-Line's books and records to make sure that everyone who pre-paid for products receives them. This will take some time, as most of what's owed to individuals and clubs is not in existing inventory and will have to be manufactured. As I've said before, Lionel is committed to making good on unfulfilled orders. I anticipate that it will take us at least 60 days to sort out what is owed to whom. During that time, I cannot stress strongly enough how much we will need your patience and cooperation. As hard as it may be to control the urge to call us throughout this transition, I would really appreciate it if you will give us a couple of months to figure things out. One bit of good news is that we've already managed to get most of the trains that had been stuck in K-Line's repair department during its bankruptcy fixed and shipped back to their owners. Once the smoke clears, we plan to re-launch K-Line later this year, in our second catalog. Because getting the deal done took so long, there will be only a limited line of new products in 2006. But we plan to make them very special. Next year, in 2007, we plan to make K-Line a larger part of the Lionel product line, positioning it with our own LionMaster offerings, in our ongoing effort to offer you even more quality mid-priced choices. Finally, I'd just like to say thanks to all of the people who worked so long and hard to get this deal done. Best Regards, Jerry Calabrese ****************************************************************** As JC says, Lionel isn't answering questions regarding K-Line yet. Makes me wonder if "the orders that need to be manufactured before they can be delivered" include any of the "new" K-Line S stuff that was offered, then suddenly canceled. Like the Pacifics, Porters and other stuff that was "promised." Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40137	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 4/25/2006
Subject: S Spree Display Layout Photos

I have put three pictures on here which you may find of interest. I have completed my little display layout for the S Spree which is coming up in less than two weeks. This is not really a Micro Layout, just a Mini Layout at just under three feet wide by four feet long. You can see it in the PHOTOS section of this S Trains site under STUMPY'S STUFF. The layout is built on a piece of 2" thick extruded foam insulation board. The track is S Helper flex track bent to 15" radius curves and an S Helper sectional turnout. I'm currently using Putt Trains locos and a mix of rolling stock. The "theme" is logging. The third picture is of a shorty water tank car made by mounting the tank off an old Flyer track cleaning car on a scratchbuilt chassis. I'm not a great photographer and the pictures don't do the layout justice. Stumpy Stone Martins Ferry, OH.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40138	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 4/25/2006
Subject: My York Experience

Well, I like to take the time now, for me to write about my day at York on Friday, as Linda and I went up on Friday morning, leaving Germantown, MD, at about 6 AM, stopping in Gettysburg at Perkins, for breakfast. Again, it was kind of downer in the morning, after I heard that Bob Tufts had past at York. I wore my pedometer this time, as Linda and I do walk about 4 to 5 miles a day and I was curious to see how many miles and steps the day would be. From start at Germantown till the end of the day back at Germantown, MD, the totals were 9233 steps and 4.79 miles, as we covered all the halls. We got to York at about 8:50 and it seemed to be a bit less crowded than usually to me. We went into the Purple Hall and Doug Peck and his wife, as we talked a bit about things. Our second stop was the Red Hall, as that is where Gary Clark is from CT, with his wonderful LN to Mint items. My goal this York was to look for some of the inexpensive items I need to complete some sets from 1957 to 1963, as I have the expensive items that go in these sets and they can be 100's of dollars! He also had a 24627 Caboose which I needed but he wanted 60 for it in Mint, as it list for 10 in E! He had two 24419 NW Reefers. One for 3400 and one for 2700. He had two set boxes for the 20530 Hot Shot set, which has the plug in 21130 and the rare Christmas Tree flat. I have that set, I built piece meal, but paying 390 or 300 for a box, is something I am not into. O:)! When we saw Gary later, he did sell the $390 empty box. It was great to see Gary and Laura, as from Gary I picked up a LN 21168 engine, the only Casey Jones engine of the Pike Master era with smoke, a 24539 Flat car with Orange Pipes to go with that set, a Mint 24316 Mobil Tanker, and a E+ 24076 Knuckle UP stock car. He had a 24059 B&M Box for $399 in New condition, but that was a bit steep. From John Vanacore, I got a E 24026 C of GA with wonderful stickers and a 24039 in E. When I got home, I see, I did not need the 24039 Rio Grande Cookie Box, as I did have a list with me. Oh well, that is fine. And my last item was a 935 Caboose in E Roger Loria. We had lunch and then went to the Brown Hall, where we ran into a George Sudol who sells Penn State Train items! Yuck! LOL As a Maryland Terp, that is awful. Long story. But we did buy a 1986 Championship football boxcar and a limited edition Matchbox truck for Joe Paterno being coach of the year for 2005. For anyone who is a PSU Fanatic his website is www.colorsbrighttoys.com. Enjoy. We then, went to the Orange Hall, where we saw Joe Haenn and had a nice talk with him. He likes FSU. Boo Hiss and his wife teaches at Duke, more Boo Hiss! LOL Then we saw Don and Robin Thompson Of S-Helper, who were very kind to Linda, as they sent her a Get Well Car when she got Blood Clots from her foot surgery in January. Very nice people. I feel bad, that I have not purchase much S-Helper items, as I am a collector of AF. I do want to start the layout someday, but I am waiting for the AF switches from Classic Track to come out. Then I will use S-Helper items on the layout. But soon, I hope. We went to see Gary Clark one last time and then we headed for home at about 4:30. We stopped in Frederick for some burgers at Perkins, most be a Perkins day, as we had a great day, afterall, in light of the news about Bob. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40139	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 4/25/2006
Subject: LOOKING FOR JAY MELLON

Jay are you out there? Mike ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40140	From: beebear	Date: 4/25/2006
Subject: AF Track

Ok So no one wants to buy all the track I have at one shot I have decided to sell it in quantities that you want + shipping If you check back in the list you will see the quantities I have or ask and I'll let you know. If you would like to trade for something, I am looking for some diesels. I was looking for hopper cars but I have 45 of them so I have enough. If you want to trade, I'll cover shipping. Let's make e a deal. The switches will come after I sell the track and then I have uncouplers, track trips and a box of other stuff John [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40141	From: Rhett George	Date: 4/26/2006
Subject: American Flyer Reverse Loop Kit 695

- GreetingS - Whoops. Did not intend to leave Mr. Burkhardt stuck for a week in the wye. That exceeds the 16 hour rule. From the AF instructions reprinted in the MDK-Aurotech book, it seems that when 15 V from the accessory terminals on the transformer is applied to the black and green wires from the 3-wire end of the reverse relay, the green and black wires from the 4-wire end should be connected together internally and pass current from one to the other. This can be checked with an ohmmeter or a lamp and voltage source (such as 15 V). If the red and black wires from the 3-wire end are powered momentarily by 15 V, the green-black circuit on the 4-wire end should go to open- circuit (resistance approaches infinity) and the red and yellow wires be connected so that current is carried from one to the other. If this works, I would say that the relay is okay. About the wye turnout depicted in the same book, I think it may use two more fiber pins than is necessary, but I better go try this before making any further dumb statements. I do welcome wiring diagrams for a wye track arrangement by email (ASCII, jpg, or pdf), fax (919/660-5293) or US Postal Service. I'll try to get a working, tested diagram out later this week. CheerS, Rhett George ECE Department Box 90291 Durham, NC 27708-0291

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40142	From: Donald Munsey Jr.	Date: 4/26/2006
Subject: TOC loco opportunity from the On30 world

My Friends in "S", For those of you interested in the 1880s - 1920s of railroading, here is a potentially interesting idea from Barry McClelland of Railway Recollections. Barry is entering the On30 foray with a pair of TOC conversion kits for the IHC HO scale loco chasses. As many of you know, the ratio between narrow gauge and standard gauge is nearly the same as between 1:48 and 1:64 - therefore, with minor detailing changes On3 or On30 items can be readily made into 1:64 items. I'm not sure whether the IHC loco can be reguaged to 1:64 (unless you model in Sn42- GBG!), but maybe, or there might be otehr chasses to work with! The On30 crowd appears to have gotten Barry to consider a domeless boiler casting version so that individual modelers can personalize their locos. In that theme, Barry has offered to do an S-scale version of the cab, IF-IF-IF we can get 30 folks together interested in a TOC cab for $24 (That price is in line with Banta's laser cut wooden cabs). I can think of at least two of my kitbashes that could use this type of cab. If you're iterested in the TOC cab project - send me an e-mail, I'll summarize them and send the results to Barry. BTW, he is considering various options for separate stacks and domes for the naked boiler casting - if you're interested in the boiler casting kit or detail parts, contact Barry directly - I've CCed him above on this msg. Here is a link to a pic of the test shots. http://s-scale.org/albums/v/friends/dmunseyjr/440-2-6-0-mcclelland-loco-test+shots.bmp.html If you are interested in more info - send me an e-mail and I'll forward some of the On30 message traffic to you. Barry's website is www.railway-recollections.com Barry, Did I reflect your offer properly? If not, PLEASE correct me!! Keep in touch. Don Munsey, Jr. Sn42 and Hn42 logging fan and VGN Rwy fan living in the UpperRightCorner of Louisiana. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40143	From: Dick	Date: 4/26/2006
Subject: Re: S Spree Display Layout Photos

Stumpy Stone wrote: > I have put three pictures on here which you may find of interest. I > have completed my little display layout for the S Spree which is > coming up in less than two weeks. This is not really a Micro Layout, > just a Mini Layout at just under three feet wide by four feet long. > You can see it in the PHOTOS section of this S Trains site under > STUMPY'S STUFF. > The layout is built on a piece of 2" thick extruded foam insulation > board. The track is S Helper flex track bent to 15" radius curves and > an S Helper sectional turnout. I'm currently using Putt Trains locos > and a mix of rolling stock. The "theme" is logging. > The third picture is of a shorty water tank car made by mounting the > tank off an old Flyer track cleaning car on a scratchbuilt chassis. > I'm not a great photographer and the pictures don't do the layout > justice. > Stumpy Stone Martins Ferry, OH. > > > > > Looks great, Stumpy! 8-) I hope to get down there on Friday, but not sure yet. Did you re-gauge Terry's stuff or put them on HO mechanisms? Dick

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40144	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 4/26/2006
Subject: Fw: instruction sheet

I just wanted to forward a email that I had with Bob on a question on why one of the wires to some switches where clear, as normally it was yellow. There was a note on the instruction sheet, that the was wire is clear due to a shortage, as it did not state why. Yes, the reason was due to the Korean War, but Bob's answer went beyond just saying that, as it was in quite detail. This shows you the kind of knowledge he had with American Flyer, as the detail of his answer is something else. Again, Bob had a busy life like all of us, but he always got back to anyone with a question. I have another email about AF diesels which is something else, that I will share with you later. I wish I had saved more of his emails. My question to him is below his answer. Bob will be surely missed not just for his knowledge of trains, but for his kindness to anyone. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Tufts" <puffntoot@...> To: "mlmarmer" <mlmarmer@...> Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 12:00 AM Subject: Re: instruction sheet > Mike - > > This was a common problem in 1950-51. There are only two sources of > yellow die in the world: Cadmium and chromium. Cadmium makes a type of > mustard color yellow, but it looks good when mixed with linseed oil to > make an oil base paint. However, this type of dye does not work in dying > plastic - it makes the plastic kind of chream-colored. Chromium makes a > very clear, almost trnslucent red, yellow, green and blue color dye. > Gilbert used chromium dyes for all of their colored plastics until 1950. > > When the Korean War started in 1950, the Federal Government confuscated > all of the chromium in the country to make hardened steel such as ball > bearings and tank gears. Gilbert was shocked to find they could not > purchase yellow plastic nor yellow dye to make their own yellow plastic. > They had no choice but to use clear plastic wire as a substitute, > Sometimes, they also used clear plastic wire to substitute for red wire. > > - Bob > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "mlmarmer" <mlmarmer@...> > To: "Toy Trains" <toytrains@yahoogroups.com>; <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; > "Ralph Loveless" <RalCor888@...>; "Bob Tufts" <puffntoot@...>; > "cookie flannery" <cookster1030@...>; "Joann Frund" > <jo@...> > Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 11:09 PM > Subject: instruction sheet > > >> In going through my AF stuff, I came across this instruction sheet for >> some >> 720A switches, made from 1950 to 1956. >> >> On the piece of paper is a little mimeograph paper stapled to the >> instruction sheet stating: Due to material shortage the clear plastic >> wire >> will represent the yellow on the instruction sheet". >> >> I wonder what kind of shortage for yellow wire was going at the Gilbert >> plan >> and why? Maybe they run out of stock on yellow wire and the order did >> not >> come in time, as they had many orders for switches to get out to >> customers. >> At least the RED wire was in stock, as you know what was going on in the >> country at the time! O:)! >> >> To those in customer service, I thought you might get a kick out of this >> email, as you try to explain your way when something is wrong, not that >> being out of yellow wire will end the world. >> >> Mike Marmer >> >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40145	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 4/26/2006
Subject: York additions

How can I forget to include some of the things I saw on other tables, as that is fun to see too. LOL One table had a O gauge flat car with a beanie baby type stuffed rat on it. No one really noticed it until Linda call out, "Look a rat on the flat car!" That got people in the aisle to look at it. Of course, it was great to see the Lucky Cat that is always on someone's table. Then there were the free bibles on a table. And no, we did not partake in that free offer. Again, we saw the open pages of women's jewelry catalog for sale on one table. Then we have the two separate companies, using women, (that is fine) to hawk their glue products. One was in the Purple hall? pouring glue all over her hands and the other is was in the Orange hall. Last October, there was a lady hawking these wire cutters. I did not see her or that booth this York. I guess she got "wired" out. Food report: We saw lots of people eating fried things, like fries, fried dough. When we got some bottles of water at one stand they were selling bananas, but no takers on those. In the Purple hall was a sign that was showing you the way to the Scare Crow and Pumpkin area. Must be for something in the fall. In the Blue Hall we noticed a Disco Ball in the ceiling. I think they should of had that thing spinning around and maybe put a train around it. And as we left the fairgrounds to go home, we notice the coming attractions for May 6. Two real big events, I see. One is the Pancake breakfast and the other is the Cat Show. Cat shows, now that is something that is really awful, as much as I like cats. Okay, don't send any hate mail to me, if you like cat shows!! Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40146	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 4/26/2006
Subject: Re: Fw: Yellow color

Mike.... there is a third material the produces yellow in glass....For many years it was used as an additive for glass........ it made glass yellow but when exposed to a Black Light, the sun on very high flame temps it turns a beautiful glowing green as the atoms are agitated....... In glass its called "Vasaline".and true pieces in antique shops do have a low level of radiation..... Then someone found another use for Uranium....A bomb... I use it some times in blowing glass but its getting harder to come by...... Bob

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40147	From: daysend40	Date: 4/26/2006
Subject: Flyionel Dockside Switcher

Hi There: I recently purchased an AF/Lionel dockside switcher. I would like to know if anyone out there has put a DCC decoder in one. Thanks Joe Wagner

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40148	From: RCESpeak	Date: 4/26/2006
Subject: York Report

Hi All, As has become somewhat normal, those of us who attended the York meets (or any others for that matter) report in when we get home and recover from this incredible week. This Spring was no different save one sad event. It has been reported here that one of our own S-Trains list members and a giant in the S world passed away on Wednesday, 4/19. Bob Tufts was an historian and S expert, a friend to many of us and one of my S mentors. As a number of you have mentioned, he was generous with the time he spent answering our questions. Every York, he took one morning at the Billy Budd and taught me much about engines, rolling stock and accessories with which I was unfamiliar. In fact, I purchased a Franklin engine from him on Tuesday morning - a Gilbert item I had been wanting but had refrained from purchasing. It will now carry Bob's spirit around my layout as it pulls the gold passenger cars. The Gilbert-Get-Together was well attended with 118 people present. Bob's absence as our MC was obvious, but after a tribute to him led by Clem Clement, TCA Eastern Division President, long-time friend and neighbor of Bob's, we carried on as Bob would have wanted us to do and shared our Gilbert findings in a show and tell. Photos of this event will be posted by Friday evening on http://s-scale.org/albums/v/friends/Barb Most of the week at York provided beautiful weather which is an all-important factor while running from one bandit meet location to another. A real positive about these meets was the heavy population of S tables at the Reliance Fire Hall. I for one hope this continues. The negative side of the bandit meets was that a number of the former occupants in the Fire Hall were to display and sell their treasures at the Valencia Ballroom. This show fell through at the last minute leaving the table holders no place to set up and sell. Hopefully this will be resolved for the October event. The goodies I purchased besides the Franklin engine were additions to my layout, parts, tools and scenery supplies. The largest purchase was people to inhabit layout sites. I now believe I have all the people I need to attend the soon to occur wedding at the Plasticville Cathedral, handle the work at the refinery and man the saw mill. As usual, the most fun at York is meeting fellow train enthusiasts and members of this list. The planned dinners were lightly attended this Spring but a fun time was had by all. I hope more of us have an opportunity to attend in October. .... Barb PS One final note. In my long, 21 1/2 hour drive home, I had considerable time to reflect on the York week events. It is not known when each of us will pass on nor be there to uncover our train tables. I want you all to know how much I appreciate the assistance you have given me and the patience you have displayed with my interminable questions on the Sunday chat. So many of you have taken me under your S wings and taught me so much. Just reading your postings has educated me beyond what I thought there was to know. Please tell those you love that you do and take good care of yourselves.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40149	From: Phil K	Date: 4/26/2006
Subject: Prague tram derailment video

This one happened about a month ago, in Prague, and is from a street security camera. A couple of people on the tram stop waiting for a train going the opposite direction were struck. http://www.metacafe.com/watch/103873/tram_derails/ Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40150	From: Bill Clark	Date: 4/27/2006
Subject: Re: Flyionel Dockside Switcher

Hi Joe, I have, both DCC and sound. Came out great!. I have pictures, have benn meaning to post them. Bill At 01:14 AM 4/27/2006 +0000, daysend40 wrote: >Hi There: > I recently purchased an AF/Lionel dockside switcher. I would >like to know if anyone out there has put a DCC decoder in one. > >Thanks >Joe Wagner > > > > > > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >Enjoy thousands of great photos >at http://S-Scale.org/albums >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40151	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 4/27/2006
Subject: Obituary for Bob Tufts

The following is the obituary from the Washington Post on Bob Tufts. It contains the details on the funeral: Robert Joseph Tufts TUFTS, ROBERT JOSEPH, Lt. Col. USAF (Ret.) Suddenly on April 19, 2006, in York, PA. ROBERT J. TUFTS, beloved husband of Pamela Jean Tufts; loving father of Donna Hayes (Randy) and Valerie Showers (Mike); dear brother of Sally Rickson (Roy); cherished grandfather of Ricky and Samantha Hayes and Robert Showers; son-in-law of Catherine Murphy; brother-in-law of Don Murphy (Carolynne); uncle of Kara and Joe Rickson. The family will receive friends at EVERLY FUNERAL HOME, 10565 Main St., Fairfax, VA on Sunday, April 30 from 2 to 5 p.m., where funeral services will be held Monday, May 1, at 11 a.m. Interment with Military Honors Tuesday, May 2, 10a.m., Arlington National Cemetery. Friends are asked to gather at the Administration Building by 9:30. Memorial contributions may be made to the charity of the donor's choice. Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613*9 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock; More than 1,300 part lines American Models ##### S-Helper Service ###### K-Line S Gauge joestrainrepair@... Master Card/Visa

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40152	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 4/27/2006
Subject: Re: York Report

Thanks Barb and Greetings to all the York attendees! For those of us who did not journey to York, it was a joy and great to hear from all of you who attended and shared the happenings that went on at York at this April's meet. First of all it was with saddness but with joy in the fact that a year ago shortly after my conversion to (S Gauge) that I met and conversed with Bob Tufts, what a wonderful person and to those of you who knew him much longer than I, I know you will miss this great gentlemen. . All of you S gaugers who have helped me these past 2 years thanks, people like Barb, Mike M, Bob C, Don T., Robin T., Joe Heaenn and on and on, and if I missed someone i am sorry but MANY THANKS to all of you! Jerry Matsick Jacksonville S Gauger . RCESpeak <rcespeak@...> wrote: Hi All, As has become somewhat normal, those of us who attended the York meets (or any others for that matter) report in when we get home and recover from this incredible week. This Spring was no different save one sad event. It has been reported here that one of our own S-Trains list members and a giant in the S world passed away on Wednesday, 4/19. Bob Tufts was an historian and S expert, a friend to many of us and one of my S mentors. As a number of you have mentioned, he was generous with the time he spent answering our questions. Every York, he took one morning at the Billy Budd and taught me much about engines, rolling stock and accessories with which I was unfamiliar. In fact, I purchased a Franklin engine from him on Tuesday morning - a Gilbert item I had been wanting but had refrained from purchasing. It will now carry Bob's spirit around my layout as it pulls the gold passenger cars. The Gilbert-Get-Together was well attended with 118 people present. Bob's absence as our MC was obvious, but after a tribute to him led by Clem Clement, TCA Eastern Division President, long-time friend and neighbor of Bob's, we carried on as Bob would have wanted us to do and shared our Gilbert findings in a show and tell. Photos of this event will be posted by Friday evening on http://s-scale.org/albums/v/friends/Barb Most of the week at York provided beautiful weather which is an all-important factor while running from one bandit meet location to another. A real positive about these meets was the heavy population of S tables at the Reliance Fire Hall. I for one hope this continues. The negative side of the bandit meets was that a number of the former occupants in the Fire Hall were to display and sell their treasures at the Valencia Ballroom. This show fell through at the last minute leaving the table holders no place to set up and sell. Hopefully this will be resolved for the October event. The goodies I purchased besides the Franklin engine were additions to my layout, parts, tools and scenery supplies. The largest purchase was people to inhabit layout sites. I now believe I have all the people I need to attend the soon to occur wedding at the Plasticville Cathedral, handle the work at the refinery and man the saw mill. As usual, the most fun at York is meeting fellow train enthusiasts and members of this list. The planned dinners were lightly attended this Spring but a fun time was had by all. I hope more of us have an opportunity to attend in October. .... Barb PS One final note. In my long, 21 1/2 hour drive home, I had considerable time to reflect on the York week events. It is not known when each of us will pass on nor be there to uncover our train tables. I want you all to know how much I appreciate the assistance you have given me and the patience you have displayed with my interminable questions on the Sunday chat. So many of you have taken me under your S wings and taught me so much. Just reading your postings has educated me beyond what I thought there was to know. Please tell those you love that you do and take good care of yourselves. S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums Yahoo! Groups Links Jerry Matsick RESPOND TO Mtoytrain@... Jacksonville, Florida TCA 04-57715 NASG --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail goes everywhere you do. Get it on your phone. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40153	From: Rhett George	Date: 4/27/2006
Subject: Connections for the Wye

- GreetingS - Here is a wiring diagram for a wye that I set up and ran last night. Regret that I do not have an AF 695 Reverse Loop Relay to include in my testing. My guesses on using an AF 695 are based on my study of the diagram in the MDK-Aurotech book. I should be very pleased if someone with such a relay would verify the following two states of the relay. 1. Energize the relay with momentary application of 15 V between Green and Black wires on 3-wire end. On 4-wire end the Green and Black wires are connected by relay action, the Red and Yellow wires have no connection to each other or to any other wire. 2. Energize the relay with momentary application of 15 V between Red and Black wires on 3-wire end. On 4-wire end the Red and Yellow wires are connected by relay action, the Green and Black wires have no connection to each other or to any other wire. The circuit and track pattern were tested using a toggle switch in lieu of a 695 relay. Please view the folowing in plain text (ASCII) mode. The main line runs from left to right. Numbers refer to continuously connected rails, upper-case letters refer to turnouts. The straight-thru route for turnout C leads to A, the diverging route to B. A 1 B ______________________________________________________ _______________ _________________ ________________ 2 \ \ 4 / / 3 \ \ / / insulating pin x \5 6/ x insulating pin \ \ / / \ \ / / \ \ / / Set all turnouts to \ \ / / 2 Train Control | | / / | | / / | |/ / | / 3-wire end of 695 goes to C | / corresponding color terminals | / on turnout | | 7 | | 8 | | | | Rail Sections 1 Connected all the way 2 & 3 Connected by wire 4 & 5 & 6 Connected selectively by 2 Train Control settings on turnouts Consider 4-wire end of 695 Check turnout C to be sure that 2 Black 15 V between Green and Black 3 Yellow sets it for straight-thru route 7 Green 8 Red Comments and corrections are most welcome. CheerS, Rhett

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40154	From: Art Shifrin	Date: 4/27/2006
Subject: Testing AF O gauge 688 remote control switchtracks

Hi Gang, I've created a drawing for this which is not yet on my website. If you need one then ping me directly. Best, Shiffy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40155	From: David Dewey	Date: 4/27/2006
Subject: Bob Tufts Memorial Book

HI all, For anyone who wishes to leave a message of condolence to Bob's family, there is an online rememberance book I will admit that I am still in a bit of a shock at his passing. Makes me appreciate those I know and cherish the times I have with them--and that includes many of you on this list. Even when we disagree, you're a great bunch of folks, and I am honored to be able to exchange "conversations" with you all. Here's the URL to the memory book: http://everlywheatley.createatribute.com/registryGuestbookView.php?PHPSESSID=62a5185aea92a63b62082434332a762a&i_memorialid=1143901988 S'incerely, David Dewey

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40156	From: Phil K	Date: 4/27/2006
Subject: Northern

Anyone know when Lionel is to start shipping the Northerns? I feel like a kid on Christmas Eve these days, with the Flyonel Mikes and Docksiders, the SHS 2-8-0s, the AM Northerns, and whatever is around the next bend. Ah, what a great time to be in S!!! Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40157	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 4/28/2006
Subject: 2006 Spring S Spree, 5/5/2006, 10:00 am

Reminder from the Calendar of S-Trains 2006 Spring S Spree Friday May 5, 2006 10:00 am - 9:30 pm This event does not repeat. The next reminder for this event will be sent in 6 days, 1 minute. Event Location: Walnut Creek, Ohio Notes: visit the CVSGA web site for more infromation at CVSGA.org ADVERTISEMENT Copyright ©  2006  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved. Privacy Policy - Terms of Service

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40158	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 4/28/2006
Subject: Re: Bob Conner whereabouts

Hey S guage fans, heard from everyone just about who went to York last week, but my very own Jacksonville Buddy "Bob Conner" havent heard a word from him? Any idea where he may be? Jerry M

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40159	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 4/28/2006
Subject: Re: Northern

I have heard may 10..... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phil K" <waldootten@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 2:55 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Northern > Anyone know when Lionel is to start shipping the Northerns? > > I feel like a kid on Christmas Eve these days, with the Flyonel Mikes > and Docksiders, the SHS 2-8-0s, the AM Northerns, and whatever is > around the next bend. Ah, what a great time to be in S!!! > > Phil K > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40160	From: Clay Buckage	Date: 4/28/2006
Subject: Clem's update on Services for Bob Tufts from the TTML

--- Clem Clement <clem.clement@...> wrote: > To: <toytrains@yahoogroups.com> > From: "Clem Clement" <clem.clement@...> > Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 09:36:44 -0400 > Subject: [toytrains] Services for Bob Tufts > > Friends, > > Updating the below information: > > Chaplain Jim Warrington, TCA, will be conducting the > services for Bob. Most > of you know him from TCA and trains days at my home. > He has known Bob for > many years and became very close to Bob. > > There will be a gathering at Bob's next door > neighbor's home Monday > afternoon after the funeral at the Everly Funeral > Home in Fairfax. > > Clem > > > From The Washington Post: > > TUFTS, ROBERT JOSEPH, Lt. Col. USAF (Ret.) > > Suddenly on April 19, 2006, in York, PA. ROBERT J. > TUFTS, beloved husband > of Pamela Jean Tufts; loving father of Donna Hayes > (Randy) and Valerie > Showers (Mike); dear brother of Sally Rickson (Roy); > cherished grandfather > of Ricky and Samantha Hayes and Robert Showers; > son-in-law of Catherine > Murphy; brother-in-law of Don Murphy (Carolynne); > uncle of Kara and Joe > Rickson. The family will receive friends at EVERLY > FUNERAL HOME, 10565 Main > St., Fairfax, VA on Sunday, April 30 from 2 to 5 > p.m., where funeral > services will be held Monday, May l, at 11 a.m. > Internment with Military > Honors Tuesday, May 2, 10 a.m., Arlington National > Cemetery. Friends are > asked to gather at the Administration Building by > 9:30. Memorial > contributions may be made to the charity of the > donor's choice. > > > > > --- > Train Collectors Association > [www.traincollectors.org] > e-Train [www.tcamembers.org] > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > toytrains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40161	From: John Foley	Date: 4/28/2006
Subject: AF layout photos

Hi Folks I am looking for a good quality photo of an AF layout. 300 dpi or better. The one chosen will be used in our updated NASG "This Is S Model Railroading" pamphlet. Credit will be type under the photo. Please send as an attachment. John Foley NASG Promotions [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40162	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 4/28/2006
Subject: Re: Bob Conner whereabouts

Been working my fanny off..... deadlines...... even had one guy said if he could have found me they would have had me flown back to do another project.... Inpact fees in St. Johns county go from 5,000 to 50,000 for new buildings today.... thought I had all covered..... But Being With The Friendly People In York Like The Card Sez...... PRICELESS....... BOB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Matsick" <jpmatsick@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 11:52 AM Subject: [S-Trains] re: Bob Conner whereabouts > Hey S guage fans, heard from everyone just about who went to York last > week, but my very own Jacksonville Buddy "Bob Conner" havent heard a > word from him? Any idea where he may be? > > Jerry M > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40163	From: lember2004	Date: 4/28/2006
Subject: Re: Bob Tufts Memorial Book

Thank you for posting this link; it provides a fitting way for those of us at a distance to express our thoughts to the family. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "David Dewey" <djdewey@...> wrote: > > HI all, > For anyone who wishes to leave a message of condolence to Bob's family, > there is an online rememberance book I will admit that I am still in a bit > of a shock at his passing. Makes me appreciate those I know and cherish the > times I have with them--and that includes many of you on this list. Even > when we disagree, you're a great bunch of folks, and I am honored to be > able to exchange "conversations" with you all. > Here's the URL to the memory book: > http://everlywheatley.createatribute.com/registryGuestbookView.php? PHPSESSID=62a5185aea92a63b62082434332a762a&i_memorialid=1143901988 > > S'incerely, > David Dewey >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40164	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 4/28/2006
Subject: Bob Tufts Guestbook

http://www.legacy.com/WashingtonPost/Guestbook.asp?Page=GuestBook&PersonId=17527350 David, Thanks for telling us about that guest book. I am not sure the source of that, but here is a different one for Bob. I hope all will sign this for the family, as Bob meant allot to us all in many ways, trains, his knowledge, his friendship and being a wonderful person overall. He will be greatly missed. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40165	From: beebear	Date: 4/28/2006
Subject: Have you seen this book

I just got an ad in my email about this book. Has anyone seen it or have it? If so .. any thoughts on it http://www.model-train-help.com/ John [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40166	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 4/29/2006
Subject: 2006 Spring S Spree, 5/6/2006, 9:30 am

Reminder from the Calendar of S-Trains 2006 Spring S Spree Saturday May 6, 2006 9:30 am - 9:30 am This event does not repeat. The next reminder for this event will be sent in 6 days, 4 minutes. Event Location: Walnut Creek, Ohio Notes: visit the CVSGA web site at CVSGA.org ADVERTISEMENT Copyright ©  2006  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved. Privacy Policy - Terms of Service

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40167	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 4/29/2006
Subject: Re;Have you seen this book?

I have not seen this book, nor have I even heard of it, even though it is in it's "third edition." I hope I'm wrong about this, but I'm suspicious. This ad reads too much like those TV commercials; "only $19.95, order now before the price goes up" sort of thing. The wording is odd, like the ad was origionally in another language or the writer didn't understand some of the subject matter. The price seems high and odd. $37.77? Kalmbach sells their "how to" books for under $20. in most cases. And they print and inventory theirs, unlike this guy. Click Bank...why not Pay Pal? This may be legit, but I'll wait until I know more about this deal. Stumpy Stone...cautious in Appalachia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40168	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 4/29/2006
Subject: Re: Have you seen this book

NO! but it seems to me that if you read the website you won't need the book. Also if you go the next step to find out the price you may find yourself getting more junk mail. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: "beebear" <beebear@...> To: "S-group" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 8:01 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Have you seen this book > > I just got an ad in my email about this book. Has anyone seen it or have it? > If so .. any thoughts on it > > > > http://www.model-train-help.com/ > > > John > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40169	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 4/29/2006
Subject: reminder

Just a reminder, that next Saturday, May 6, at York Fairgrounds is the Pancake Breakfast and Cat Show. I am sure you all don't want to miss this event, as the excitement of York, the TCA event, is still exciting and fresh in your minds. JUST KIDDING!!!!!!!!!!!!! Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40170	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 4/29/2006
Subject: Re: reminder

Rather than go to the Cat Show , go to Walnut Creek, Ohio for the Spring S Spree. It runs May 5 - 6, The Cuyahoga Valley S Gauge Association has always put on a good show. jfred Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: Just a reminder, that next Saturday, May 6, at York Fairgrounds is the Pancake Breakfast and Cat Show. I am sure you all don't want to miss this event, as the excitement of York, the TCA event, is still exciting and fresh in your minds. JUST KIDDING!!!!!!!!!!!!! Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously low rates. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40171	From: Roy Inman	Date: 4/29/2006
Subject: Re: Re;Have you seen this book?

Don't know about the veracity of the book or this particular deal, but I have used Click Bank a couple of times and it, at least, seems legit. Roy Inman > From: Stumpy Stone <mrstumpy@...> > Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2006 11:37:14 +0000 > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] Re;Have you seen this book? > > I have not seen this book, nor have I even heard of it, even though it > is in it's "third edition." I hope I'm wrong about this, but I'm > suspicious. > This ad reads too much like those TV commercials; "only $19.95, > order now before the price goes up" sort of thing. The wording is > odd, like the ad was origionally in another language or the writer > didn't understand some of the subject matter. > The price seems high and odd. $37.77? Kalmbach sells their "how to" > books for under $20. in most cases. And they print and inventory > theirs, unlike this guy. Click Bank...why not Pay Pal? > This may be legit, but I'll wait until I know more about this deal. > Stumpy Stone...cautious in Appalachia. > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40172	From: Roy Inman	Date: 4/29/2006
Subject: Re: Have you seen this book

Oh wait a minute. I do recall now I think on it that my neighbor and train buddy bought this. While he did learn a couple of things, he said that most all could be gotten for free online and from lists such as this one. He thought it might be helpful for the beginner and/or someone sort of isolated and without a computer. Roy Inman > From: Glenn Ritter <gartrain@...> > Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2006 06:40:22 -0400 > To: beebear <beebear@...>, S-group <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Have you seen this book > > NO! but it seems to me that if > you read the website you won't > need the book. Also if you > go the next step to find out > the price you may find yourself > getting more junk mail. > > Glenn > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "beebear" <beebear@...> > To: "S-group" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 8:01 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] Have you seen this book > > >> >> I just got an ad in my email about this book. Has anyone seen it or have > it? >> If so .. any thoughts on it >> >> >> >> http://www.model-train-help.com/ >> >> >> John >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> >> >> >> >> S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com >> All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! >> >> Enjoy thousands of great photos >> at http://S-Scale.org/albums >> Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40173	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 4/29/2006
Subject: Re: reminder

Fred, How can you miss the Cat and Pancake activities at the grounds of York. LOL Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: JFrederick Roberts To: Michael and Linda Marmer ; Toy Trains ; s-trains@yahoogroups.com ; Ralph Loveless Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2006 10:38 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] reminder Rather than go to the Cat Show , go to Walnut Creek, Ohio for the Spring S Spree. It runs May 5 - 6, The Cuyahoga Valley S Gauge Association has always put on a good show. jfred Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: Just a reminder, that next Saturday, May 6, at York Fairgrounds is the Pancake Breakfast and Cat Show. I am sure you all don't want to miss this event, as the excitement of York, the TCA event, is still exciting and fresh in your minds. JUST KIDDING!!!!!!!!!!!!! Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums Yahoo! Groups Links ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously low rates. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40174	From: beebear	Date: 4/29/2006
Subject: Re: Re;Have you seen this book?

Ya I thought that was odd and also the face he spent $1800 tracking down this information and then you can only get it in a PDF computer file for $37.77! What an odd price AND .... ClickBank... probably more like Click there goes your Bank account Plus as Roy Inman suggested you would probably get tons of junk mail which I think I have finally gotten rid of most of mine since I got my Yahoo account. Thanks for all of your replies!! john ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stumpy Stone" <mrstumpy@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2006 7:37 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re;Have you seen this book? > I have not seen this book, nor have I even heard of it, even though it > is in it's "third edition." I hope I'm wrong about this, but I'm > suspicious. > This ad reads too much like those TV commercials; "only $19.95, > order now before the price goes up" sort of thing. The wording is > odd, like the ad was origionally in another language or the writer > didn't understand some of the subject matter. > The price seems high and odd. $37.77? Kalmbach sells their "how to" > books for under $20. in most cases. And they print and inventory > theirs, unlike this guy. Click Bank...why not Pay Pal? > This may be legit, but I'll wait until I know more about this deal. > Stumpy Stone...cautious in Appalachia. > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > Message transport security by GatewayDefender.com > 10:22:28 AM ET - 4/29/2006

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40175	From: Jim Armstrong	Date: 4/29/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 3037

ClickBank is just a convenient and widely-used transaction facilitator for folks selling e-books. An acquaintance of mine, a legitimate seller of many e-books and other items on e-Bay has used ClickBank for a long time. JimA >________________________________________________________________________ > >Message 13 > From: "beebear" beebear@... > Date: Sat Apr 29, 2006 9:02am(PDT) >Subject: Re: Re;Have you seen this book? > >Ya I thought that was odd and also the face he spent $1800 tracking down >this information >and then you can only get it in a PDF computer file for $37.77! What an odd >price > >AND .... ClickBank... probably more like Click there goes your Bank account > >Plus as Roy Inman suggested you would probably get tons of junk mail which I >think >I have finally gotten rid of most of mine since I got my Yahoo account. > >Thanks for all of your replies!! > >john > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40176	From: RCESpeak	Date: 4/29/2006
Subject: York Photos Posted

Hi Y'all, Finally got the York photos from the Gilbert Get Together posted in our album. You can get right to them at: http://s-scale.org/albums/v/friends/Barb/York+Umbrella/York+April+06/?g2_navId=x0f14ab40 Enjoy.... Barb

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40177	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 4/29/2006
Subject: Sunday Chat, 4/30/2006, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 40178	From: Robert E. Yablonski	Date: 4/29/2006
Subject: Hand Laying track

Does anyone have a good reference for handlaying S gauge track. I am perplexed about the curves. Robert E. Yablonski

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40179	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 4/29/2006
Subject: Re: York Photos Posted

As always, Thanks, Barb!! Dick Kuepper -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of RCESpeak Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2006 5:46 PM To: S-Trains Subject: [S-Trains] York Photos Posted Hi Y'all, Finally got the York photos from the Gilbert Get Together posted in our album. You can get right to them at: http://s-scale.org/albums/v/friends/Barb/York+Umbrella/York+April+06/?g2 _navId=x0f14ab40 Enjoy.... Barb S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40180	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 4/29/2006
Subject: Re: York Photos Posted

Barb Once again "Thanks" for sharing your photos and good to see all the S-Train people having a great time! Jerry M RCESpeak <rcespeak@...> wrote: Hi Y'all, Finally got the York photos from the Gilbert Get Together posted in our album. You can get right to them at: http://s-scale.org/albums/v/friends/Barb/York+Umbrella/York+April+06/?g2_navId=x0f14ab40 Enjoy.... Barb S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums Yahoo! Groups Links Jerry Matsick RESPOND TO Mtoytrain@... Jacksonville, Florida TCA 04-57715 NASG --------------------------------- How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger’s low PC-to-Phone call rates. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40181	From: Trains	Date: 4/29/2006
Subject: Looking for following S items

Looking for the following S items: 1. Original box and all contents of any "Loeb Investments" Trestle kits and stock pen kits. Also original coupler height gauge (for converted Kadee #5's) and cast brass, three point track gauges. Original (with logo/Loeb name) kit box, printed instructions and/or drawings also sought. 2. Driver (spoked) and/or wheel conversions for AF 4-6-4, 4-6-2, 4-4-0 engines to convert to "scale" Also interested in side rods and valve gear. Would prefer entire kit, but also any components are fine. Also pair of larger dia. drivers for Atlantic type engine. 3. Any size/style Vanderbuilt type tender in parts, kit form or built up. If already built - should be of good craftsmanship. If possible photos/description of item/s would be helpfull. Thanks, Dr. K. Loeb Yahoo: pnw57_S [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40182	From: hspanier2000	Date: 4/30/2006
Subject: Lionel_SuperO_Track Yahoo Group

If you have an interest in Lionel "Super O" track you can join 600 others with a similar interest. Lionel offered "Super O" from 1957 through 1966 and many view "Super O" as the most realistic track system ever offered! The "Super O" group is for fans of "O" & "O27" trains with a focus on Lionel "Super O" track. Most questions about "Super O" can be answered and we are always looking forward to your input. Excellent photo section along with "world class" knowledgeable membership. A particular interest is "Super O" display layouts and "O" & "O27" layouts. The "Super O" link is below: Lionel_SuperO_Track Yahoo Group ( http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Lionel_SuperO_Track/ ) Why not take a look? Very best, Mike Spanier List Owner & Moderator Lionel "Super O" Track...........What You Need to Know http://search.reviews.ebay.com/members/lionelsuperotrack_W0QQuqtZg JEP & Other French Made Toy Trains http://groups.yahoo.com/group/JEP_Trains_Toys-French_Made_Toy_Trains/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40184	From: paflyrman	Date: 4/30/2006
Subject: York Item question

While passing through the Red Hall last week I thought I saw a gentleman selling what appeared to be new inserts for the flat 5 digit set boxes. He was occupied by several people and I had to move on, so I didn't get to ask. Does anyone know if set box inserts are being reproduced and by whom? Thanks, paflyrman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40185	From: beebear	Date: 4/30/2006
Subject: Last bunch of track for sale or trade

All the straight track has been sold I have 130 pcs of rusty curved track you pay for shipping and it's yours I also have 200 pcs of just dirty curved track for 50 cents each or trade for a diesel engine. I you buy or trade the 200 pc curved track I'll add in 2 cross over tracks .. one in the original box The switches will be coming up some time this week John [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40186	From: Scott Holm	Date: 4/30/2006
Subject: Re: Who Has Stationary Rollers?

I bought mine from SHS, but I don't see them on their web site. Here is the web site for the Jak rollers where you can order them too. http://www.monmouth.com/~jak/ Allen Evans <allen.evans@...> wrote: I am looking for the person that was selling S gauge staionary rollers at the NASG convention in Altoona last year. Anyone know how I could find him? W. Allen Evans Crescent City S Gaugers New Orleans, LA NASG S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously low rates. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40187	From: donabrams@comcast.net	Date: 4/30/2006
Subject: Mikado Repair

I took my NYC Mikado up to the Lionel factory repair facility a week ago Friday, April 21st. Received a letter in response on Wednesday the 28th stating I should expect a seven week turnaround! Wow! They must really have their hands full due to the Kline acquisition? Anyway, the chugging sound quit following some sparking above the drivers. Anyone else have this problem? Other than that it has performed well in all TMCC and conventional functions. Altogether I had about 6 hours run time on the engine. I tried reset 74 and even had the local dealer take the shell off to look for anything obvious. Looking forward to posting an update in about six weeks, Don [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40188	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 4/30/2006
Subject: Re: York Item question

Check with Bob Breich(sp) in St. Louis, MO. TCA [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40189	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 4/30/2006
Subject: Sunday Chat, 4/30/2006, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 40190	From: Bill	Date: 4/30/2006
Subject: NASG DISPATCH

Hi, Just a brief note to say that [I feel] the April 2006 DISPATCH is one very exceptional issue. With our other two S Gauge magazines [and they are really commercial] having a subscription rate of up to $40.00 a year, how can we do all this for $20.00 a year? Neither are any better done than this one! Also, many "Thank You's" to all those who contributed to this issue. So many times we take Jeff Madden's editorial efforts for granted and I for one, just wanted to say, nice job Jeff! Congratulations, on a very professional issue of our NASG DISPATCH. WOW! "S"incerely, Bill Fraley

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40191	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 5/1/2006
Subject: Trainy weekend

Greetings, all- I've found two nice sets and have Q's about bpth: !0 Doug peck or anyone forward this to Donn Lowe. American Flyer Chicago/New Haven set. 425 4-6-4 (I'm sure-but one truck;=='s hiding on the workbench, Vandy tenderm copper stacc, copped domes and pipes. Brass boss for draw bar AF stamped on nose billboards, Worthington "a'la295" feed water heater, 2 dummy running lights, deeply recessed headlamp, 4 pane brass window insert with equak l ammount open, tender has recess and slots for a nameboard, but is stamped AF. Recess along tender side stamped American Flyer Lines (all caps) Odd aerofoil shaped pony truck, looks like it had a drawbar at rach end-no room for it to really turn in either front or rear locations. Bodt, trim, all rate VG to E.E unit too narrow for boiler-siter fore and afr, o[part holding top fingers worked free. Any help with this un'? The coaches look Ives-flyeris, 3 coiaches and obs, dark red like 3000 seried, gold an d black decals> Pullman" and AFL. Tender casting saty W.O.4611, link coupler PA3998. Appears to be missing crosshead abd either a thru the body screw like the cab, or perhaps valve gera. While thins is VG-Eminus Need to know if replacements or repar of that way too tight fitting e-unit are out there-More on the Mark later-John Marganski --------------------------------- How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger’s low PC-to-Phone call rates. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40192	From: Robert Graves	Date: 5/1/2006
Subject: Docksiders join The Gilbert Gallery

I have the Docksiders page done: http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/engines-Docksider.html But I need a good picture of the #48039 B&O Docksider. I'd appreciate it if someone could send me one. Ideally, it would be a shot on your landscaped layout. Otherwise, on a light-colored plain tabletop or counter with nothing else in the picture. Also, I haven't been able to open the Lionel catalogs to confirm dates. Am I correct in thinking that the B&O and Santa Fe were made in 2004 and the Bethlehem Steel and NYC were made in 2005? Thanks. Bob --------------------------------- New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC and save big. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40193	From: frank emiro	Date: 5/1/2006
Subject: UP FEF # 844

I hear UP FEF # 844 is under steam and doing an excursion run on The Golden State Route. It will be in New Mexico on MAY 7th running south to El Paso. Question; do you have to pay UP on any photos you take of 844? Just kidding......but it is enroute. --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously low rates. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40194	From: clayk@lonestartrains.com	Date: 5/1/2006
Subject: 24067 Keystone Line boxcar

Hi All, I was wondering if any of you knew how the reproduction boxcars of high dollar cars such as the Fox and the Keystone are marked in order to differentiate them from originals. I remember a few years ago there was someone making them... Clay

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40195	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 5/2/2006
Subject: Re: 24067 Keystone Line boxcar

Clay, most were made buy Greg Kreft and are marked. Let me find them and I will get back to you. There are others out there unmarked. RFG reproduced an unmarked version of the Fox boxcar, beware. Let me get back to you. Harwood [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40196	From: myflyertrains	Date: 5/2/2006
Subject: 100 Photos of the Gilbert Get Together Online for viewing

My snapshots of the April 2006 Gilbert Get Together are now online for viewing at MyFlyerTrains.org http://myflyertrains.org/gallery/album31?page=1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40197	From: jt12313	Date: 5/2/2006
Subject: flyer/flyonel diesel wheels

Did af/flyonel make diesel wheels without the flanges? Jeff Tangeman [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40198	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 5/2/2006
Subject: Arlington Burials May 2

I just wanted to pass along this link to the burial time for Bob Tufts at Arlington tomorrow. It has been a very tough 2 days for many who attended the viewing and the service today. Tomorrow will be tougher, as we say goodbye to a great friend to many people in all walks of life. Sadly, there will be 22 others laid to rest at Arlington who served the United States to protect us. Mike Marmer http://www.arlingtoncemetery.org/daily_schedule/5-2-06.htm [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40199	From: Daryl Olszeski	Date: 5/2/2006
Subject: Accessory Buttons

It's a minor thing, but here's a question for the group: Does anyone know when Gilbert made the change from the "flat" style of accessory button to the later model buttons?? Just wondering....

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40200	From: Clay Buckage	Date: 5/2/2006
Subject: Re: 24067 Keystone Line boxcar

Greg's reproductions have numbers stamped on the ends between the ribs Clay Buckage --- HOwingsiii@... wrote: > > Clay, most were made buy Greg Kreft and are > marked. Let me find them and I > will get back to you. There are others out there > unmarked. RFG reproduced > an unmarked version of the Fox boxcar, beware. Let > me get back to you. > > Harwood > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40201	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 5/2/2006
Subject: Repaint Repros Website

Here is a website that has repaints of some rare AF cars. It doesn't indicate how these are marked to indicate they are repaints. http://mywebpages.comcast.net/seg50/index.html BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40202	From: Bill Porter	Date: 5/2/2006
Subject: Speed Control

Howdy Friends, I recall a thread a few weeks ago in which many of us held forth on ways to control the speeds of our equipment. Potentiometers are not made to handle the power our accessories and trains draw. So, here is an eBay auction for a few, antique rheostats. Somewhere in that lot there should be something to control the speed of whatever we want. http://cgi.ebay.com/6-Rheostats-5-Lionel-1-Ives-for-Parts-or-Repair_W0QQitem Z6055537319QQcategoryZ4145QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Enjoy, Bill Bill Porter Loxahatchee [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40203	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 5/2/2006
Subject: Re: flyer/flyonel diesel wheels

In a message dated 05/02/2006 2:27:39 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time, jt12313@... writes: Did af/flyonel make diesel wheels without the flanges? So far I have found one GP that had the normal size flanges instead of the deep, deep ones they use on most Diesels. A photo of it is available if needed. Steve SnS Trains Boise [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40204	From: Robert Graves	Date: 5/2/2006
Subject: Re: Docksider

Thank you, Jerry! That's the last of the Docksiders until the 2006 Christmas engine comes out. Jerry's B&O Docksider is online and the page is complete! Jerry & Lynn Poniatowski <poniaj@...> wrote: Hi Bob, Hope you can use these photos. If not, no big deal Jerry --------------------------------- How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger’s low PC-to-Phone call rates. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40205	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 5/2/2006
Subject: Spring S-Spree

Hello all, I didn't get enough flyer at York, so I'm heading out to do the spree. After that concludes, I'm off to Wheaton ILL. for the Dupage Fairgrounds show on Sunday. Hope to see y'all at one or both shows. Regards, Fred PS; I want to thank-you all (tableholders and patrons alike) for making the Reliance Fire Hall show a huge success this April. The turnout for this was way beyond my hopes and expectations. With the requests for tables that we are getting since York's ending, the October show should be even better... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40206	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 5/2/2006
Subject: Re: flyer/flyonel diesel wheels

The latest offerings from Lionel's AF Diesels uses flangless wheels. See the link for a Picture. http://www.tuveson.com/sd-9/Gears.htm That is the only "flangless" wheels I know of. Carl -----Original Message----- From: boss31@... [mailto:boss31@...] Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 1:57 PM To: jt12313@...; S-trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] flyer/flyonel diesel wheels In a message dated 05/02/2006 2:27:39 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time, jt12313@... writes: Did af/flyonel make diesel wheels without the flanges? So far I have found one GP that had the normal size flanges instead of the deep, deep ones they use on most Diesels. A photo of it is available if needed. Steve SnS Trains Boise [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40207	From: Phil K	Date: 5/2/2006
Subject: Good grades

Hi all -- I have a 4 percent grade in two places on my layout. If I had to do it over, I wouldn't do more than 2 percent. But I digress. Here's the problem: Going up, just like a 12":1' train, too much weight behind the power and the locomotive's wheels slip and spin trying to make the grade (even rivit counters haven't figured out how to use real sand). So either lessen the load or add more pulling power. That's easy. Coming down, though -- some locomotives act realistically, where the can motor slows (brakes) the locomotive to keep it from running away coming downhill (just like dynamic brakes). Yet other locomotives going downgrade tend to run away "loose" -- as if they had no gearing at all (like a dummy loco). I have a 27-inch curve at the bottom of a straightaway downgrade, and I'm afraid one of my $500 steamers will jump the tracks. For instance, I can't control my Mike going downgrade, yet my SHS SW-1 handles it well. It will maintain a relatively constant speed going up, around, and back down. Any ideas why? All of the above are equipped with can motors, BTW. Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40208	From: beebear	Date: 5/2/2006
Subject: Switches for sale

For those who were looking for switches I have the following for sale 7 pair of American Flyer remote control switches 2 left hand remote switches 1 pair of manual switches The switches work, the track is fairly clean, they do not come with the switch controls 7 individual switches have working lights the others have burned out or missing bulbs The 2 left hand switches have spring clips for the power connections Contact me OFF LIST if you are interested at beebear@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40209	From: Michael T Kolosseus	Date: 5/2/2006
Subject: AF trains for sale

Hello Flyer Collectors and Operators, This freshly updated big email list now offers 21 sets, 48 locos, 39 passenger cars, 129 freight cars and page after page of accessories and paper items. If you haven't already received it on May 2d, contact me for an email copy. Mike

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40210	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 5/2/2006
Subject: Robert J. Tufts Funeral

Today, Clem and I said our goodbyes to a wonderful man, TCA member Bob Tufts. I have many good memories of Bob and I will never forget him. I will miss him very much. He help me and many others in the education of American Flyer trains. He always found the time to answer any emails to me, as he was very busy with many different things in his life. Bob and Clem were very close, as every time Linda and I would see Bob he would always greet us warmly show us concern on how we were, not what trains do you need. I also got to know Clem, a bit better, as I never had any real contact with him in person before. In his grief, he did show concern for Linda and me, as I did today for him. For anyone who never met Clem before, he is a wonderful person too and has done allot of good for the Eastern Division and I would like to thank him for all his work his has done as President. To me, Bob was larger than life, especially after I heard Clem, then Bob's and friend of 22 years and a letter read by Bob's friend who went to school with Bob, as she become a wonderful minister from his sister in Australia at Tuesday's service. What a amazing life he had with trains and outside of trains. You would be amazed. It is not all about the trains in the TCA, but the friendships you make. Clem, I wish you and the family the best, as I know you all are still hurting. It will get better in time, as the good memories of Bob will overtake the bad of two weeks. My best, Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40211	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 5/2/2006
Subject: Re;Good grades

Phil, my guess would be the following; The steam loco has larger diameter drivers than the diesel's wheels. With every revolution of the motor, the steamer travels farther and therefore faster. Large wheels also create less roll resistance, so the steamer will roll easier. Weight also might be a factor. While the heavier steam loco will have more traction, it also has more drag going up grade, therefore requiring a bit more power. However, going down grade, this weight creates momentum, plus you are already running more power to the loco to start with. Finally, I suspect the diesel is geared lower than the steam loco which allows the steamer to roll faster. I agree with you that steep grades look neat as a big steam loco struggles uphill with a heavy train, but running away down the other side is a pulse pounding experiance even if it doesn't derail! Most Class 1 railroads tried to stay well under 2% if at all possible! Probably a good idea for us too! Stumpy Stone...from the hill country of Eastern Ohio.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40212	From: nyc17819@aol.com	Date: 5/2/2006
Subject: Realistic Track Systems

Mike Spanier wrote, "If you have an interest in Lionel "Super O" track you can join 600 others with a similar interest. Lionel offered "Super O" from 1957 through 1966 and many view "Super O" as the most realistic track system ever offered!" Super O had strangely shaped plastic ties (humped up in the middle) with a vertical strip of metal taking the place of the third rail. The running rails were more realistic than normal Lionel rail, but that's not saying much! One of the problems with Super O is that the vertical strip center rail tended to cut through some rollers for picking up electricity. IMHO, Showcase Line SHS track is far more realistic than Super O. Thank goodness we 2-rail S Gaugers don't have to worry about that silly center rail! Chris Harding

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40213	From: Phil K	Date: 5/2/2006
Subject: Good grades, Part II

>>You can control the Mike going downhill with the "brake" button on the TMCC controller. It's fun to hear the brakes squeal too. Steve boss31<< You're absolutely right. My Mike loses mucho traction going upgrade, and the problem is compounded because my entire second level is made up of 21-inch and 24-inch curves. 12":1' RRs tried to avoid sharp curves on grades because a steam locomotive's drivers had very little contact -- and therefore adhesion -- with the rails on curves. Consider that on a 36-inch flanged wheel today, the only part of the wheel in contact with the rail at any given moment is an area about the size of a dime! I can get the Mike up grade, and it's pretty cool because you actually have to "drive it" using the TMCC throttle because if you don't, it'll run away when it hits level areas. Ya just hits the "boost" button when it starts to bog down on those curvey upgrades, and let 'er go when she flattens out. The reason I brought this up is because when I get a room full of visitors -- non-modelers -- I like to get smoke and sounds and five or six trains running on my four loops all at once. Plenty of action. I just like to set everything up and let it go. I want to pay attention to my guests, not have to worry about constantly having to "drive" two or three trains up the hills. And it doesn't look good to your guests when a $500 Mikado runs away and whips into a sharp turn and rolls over three times. Hope this makes sense. Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40214	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 5/3/2006
Subject: AF 425

I need help on this lil gem I found-AHEM-was someone seeing things when he saw 4-6-4 wheel arrangement? can anyone send a pic so I get an idea of valve linkage, crosshead et al.? Finally, Doug-Jojn Marganski Peck-are you willilg to attempt to repair a VERY tiny e-unit? BTW the trailing truck needs to be re-axled-one axle and wheels missing, other has wheels succuming to zinc pest-rest of loco is OK --------------------------------- Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40215	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 5/3/2006
Subject: Re: Realistic Track Systems

Chris No Offense to those "Three Railers" but I agree my "S Helper Strax" is the most realistic Track on the market today, it was so realistic that Lionel went and talk to our own Mr. Don Thompson about it, and they came out with the Lionel Fastrack, which looks pretty good except for the "funny" thing in the middle! OH that is the Third Rail! Jerry Matsick S Track S Helper HAPPY! nyc17819@... wrote: Mike Spanier wrote, "If you have an interest in Lionel "Super O" track you can join 600 others with a similar interest. Lionel offered "Super O" from 1957 through 1966 and many view "Super O" as the most realistic track system ever offered!" Super O had strangely shaped plastic ties (humped up in the middle) with a vertical strip of metal taking the place of the third rail. The running rails were more realistic than normal Lionel rail, but that's not saying much! One of the problems with Super O is that the vertical strip center rail tended to cut through some rollers for picking up electricity. IMHO, Showcase Line SHS track is far more realistic than Super O. Thank goodness we 2-rail S Gaugers don't have to worry about that silly center rail! Chris Harding S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums Yahoo! Groups Links Jerry Matsick RESPOND TO Mtoytrain@... Jacksonville, Florida TCA 04-57715 NASG --------------------------------- New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC and save big. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40216	From: Gerald Dobbs	Date: 5/3/2006
Subject: Subject: Mikado Repair

Try to have repairs done as soon a possible!!! I purchased a Lionel Rock Island Geep new in the box at a recent train show, It was manufactured ( at the factory ) with a bad set of wheels ( shallow wheel flanges, similar to the New York Central Geep ) Lionel refused to repair & / or Warranty this item. Jerry Dobbs Don wrote:: From: "donabrams@..." donabrams@... Date: Sun Apr 30, 2006 2:05pm(PDT) Subject: Mikado Repair I took my NYC Mikado up to the Lionel factory repair facility a week ago Friday, April 21st. Received a letter in response on Wednesday the 28th stating I should expect a seven week turnaround! Wow! They must really have their hands full due to the Kline acquisition? Anyway, the chugging sound quit following some sparking above the drivers. Anyone else have this problem? Other than that it has performed well in all TMCC and conventional functions. Altogether I had about 6 hours run time on the engine. I tried reset 74 and even had the local dealer take the shell off to look for anything obvious. Looking forward to posting an update in about six weeks, Don

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40217	From: daysend40	Date: 5/3/2006
Subject: Reading RR Decals

Hello! Does anyone out there have any idea who would have Reading RR decals for an FP7? Thanks Joe Wagner trainmaster1940@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40218	From: Randall L. Griggs	Date: 5/3/2006
Subject: ERTL "Farm Country" GP-35 converted to Chessie 'S' 'high-rail' dummy

I finally got one of my ERTL "Farm Country" GP-35s converted to a Chessie 'high-rail' dummy. Go to: http://s-scale.org/albums/v/friends/rlgriggs/ERTL+GP-35+conversion/ to see all the details and some completed shots. In this first conversion, I re-used just about everything that was on the original ERTL GP-35. I removed the little battery-powered can motor and gears from the powered truck. I added copper 'bearings' and new axles, but I used the original ERTL plastic wheels after thinning down the flanges. The only other things I added - other than the cast details I made from an AM GP-35 - were the dual LED headlights, handrails, and added truck side frame details I also made. (The side frame details, however, required a lot of 'clean-up'. It would have been much easier to use AM side frames, etc. AM also sells their GP-35 handrails, which will save considerable time for my modified units #3 & 4.) The 'album' listed above pretty much tells what I had to do, etc. The resulting 'dummy' runs very well on my son's 'S' high-rail layout using AM track & switches (turnouts). I even tried it in FRONT of a powered unit (being pushed) and it tracked very well without derailing - even at top speed. I was impressed! With the engineer seated inside, and the dual headlights 'on', the loco looks very respectable going ahead of the train. The only regret is that I didn't lighten the orange color. In some of the color 'swatching' I did, it seemed the colors looked a little lighter than the 'swatch' when they were actually sprayed on the model, so I thought I didn't need to lighten the orange. It's a little too dark. I may try to lighten the next one, but then the two GP-35s wouldn't match. Oh, well! It's taken me a while to re-construct the 'S' Album that I originally had (the server 'crashed' with little recovery available) where I originally told about this ERTL GP-35 conversion. I trust this latest result will help folks understand what is involved in the conversion. These ERTL "Farm Country" train sets show up on eBay from time to time. The flat cars can also be converted to Flyer 'S' by the addition of trucks & couplers. I now have six (6) ERTL GP-35s waiting to be detailed, etc. I plan on another one in Chessie colors, and two in U. P. Regards, Randy Griggs [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40219	From: boblines51	Date: 5/3/2006
Subject: scratch builders

I have a very large amount of balsa wood I want to sell.I have over 650 peices of all different sizes and shapes.Contact me at bobville@... if anyone is interested.Iam working on a list of all the peices. Thanks Bob Persing

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40220	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 5/3/2006
Subject: Re: ERTL "Farm Country" GP-35 converted to Chessie 'S' 'high-rail'

Hi Randy, You did a great job with the ERTL GP35. I had one and mailed it to Australia several years ago for an S Gauger "Down Under" to use in a set. If I had time (That's what we all say), I too would have converted one. I did convert a GP7 to Reading paint and that runs well. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randall L. Griggs" <rlgriggs@...> Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 11:23 AM Subject: [S-Trains] ERTL "Farm Country" GP-35 converted to Chessie 'S' 'high-rail' dummy > I finally got one of my ERTL "Farm Country" GP-35s converted to a Chessie > 'high-rail' dummy. Go to: > http://s-scale.org/albums/v/friends/rlgriggs/ERTL+GP-35+conversion/ > to see all the details and some completed shots. > > In this first conversion, I re-used just about everything that was on the > original ERTL GP-35. I removed the little battery-powered can motor and > gears from the powered truck. I added copper 'bearings' and new axles, but > I used the original ERTL plastic wheels after thinning down the > flanges. The only other things I added - other than the cast details I > made from an AM GP-35 - were the dual LED headlights, handrails, and added > truck side frame details I also made. (The side frame details, however, > required a lot of 'clean-up'. It would have been much easier to use AM > side frames, etc. AM also sells their GP-35 handrails, which will save > considerable time for my modified units #3 & 4.) The 'album' listed above > pretty much tells what I had to do, etc. The resulting 'dummy' runs very > well on my son's 'S' high-rail layout using AM track & switches > (turnouts). I even tried it in FRONT of a powered unit (being pushed) and > it tracked very well without derailing - even at top speed. I was > impressed! With the engineer seated inside, and the dual headlights 'on', > the loco looks very respectable going ahead of the train. > > The only regret is that I didn't lighten the orange color. In some of the > color 'swatching' I did, it seemed the colors looked a little lighter than > the 'swatch' when they were actually sprayed on the model, so I thought I > didn't need to lighten the orange. It's a little too dark. I may try to > lighten the next one, but then the two GP-35s wouldn't match. Oh, well! > > It's taken me a while to re-construct the 'S' Album that I originally had > (the server 'crashed' with little recovery available) where I originally > told about this ERTL GP-35 conversion. I trust this latest result will > help folks understand what is involved in the conversion. These ERTL "Farm > Country" train sets show up on eBay from time to time. The flat cars can > also be converted to Flyer 'S' by the addition of trucks & couplers. I now > have six (6) ERTL GP-35s waiting to be detailed, etc. I plan on another > one in Chessie colors, and two in U. P. > > Regards, Randy Griggs

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40221	From: Doug Peck	Date: 5/3/2006
Subject: Re: AF 425

Hi John, I'm not exactly sure what you're asking here. Pilot & trailing wheels and axles are available.....no problem. I believe I have most of the appropriate linkage as well. E-unit......we can check it out, but it depends what's wrong with it.....prewar e-units are different from postwar. Anything else about it???? <<<I need help on this lil gem I found-AHEM-was someone seeing things when he saw 4-6-4 wheel arrangement? can anyone send a pic so I get an idea of valve linkage, crosshead et al.? Finally, Doug-Jojn Marganski Peck-are you willilg to attempt to repair a VERY tiny e-unit? BTW the trailing truck needs to be re-axled-one axle and wheels missing, other has wheels succuming to zinc pest-rest of loco is OK>>> Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST), 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: www.portlines.com <http://www.portlines.com/> E-mail: doug@... <mailto:doug@...> VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40222	From: Bill Porter	Date: 5/4/2006
Subject: Train Show Story

Esteemed Colleagues, It wasn't exactly a train show, but, the North Palm Beach Public Library held their 50th anniversary on April 22nd. The theme was "Railroads", so, they invited me to bring the Royal Palm and Loxahatchee Central. There was a steady stream of guest engineers running the S-scale trains. As usual, the most popular train was the American Flyer Frontiersman set. Also very popular was the custom decorated American Models RS-3 hauling a string of SHS freight cars. Yesterday, I received some copies of a local newspaper. There is a photograph with a detailed caption showing the young engineers running trains. It is nice to see print coverage of train events. This weekend is the Spring TTOS Florida Division train show in Port St. Lucie. The RP&LC will be there. I expect to see a lot of miles posted by the youngsters. The module-weight-reduction program is complete. The scenery is being updated. There is no admission to the show. Come on out, if you get the chance. If I can, I'll post a photo or two. Bill Porter Loxahatchee [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40223	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 5/4/2006
Subject: 2006 Spring S Spree, 5/5/2006, 10:00 am

Reminder from the Calendar of S-Trains 2006 Spring S Spree Friday May 5, 2006 10:00 am - 9:30 pm This event does not repeat. Event Location: Walnut Creek, Ohio Notes: visit the CVSGA web site for more infromation at CVSGA.org ADVERTISEMENT Copyright ©  2006  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved. Privacy Policy - Terms of Service

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40224	From: Allan V Eisenhaur	Date: 5/4/2006
Subject: AF-X1989-Tool-Car-NIB

Hi All Has anyone ever seen this item? Supposably this is an uncataloged car made by Lionel American Flyer in 1989. Can't find anything at all about it. Is it someone's creation. Thanks Al http://cgi.ebay.com/AF-X1989-Tool-Car-NIB-NR_W0QQitemZ6055522094QQcategor yZ480QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40225	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 5/4/2006
Subject: Re: Lionel Northern 6-48047

Well has anyone heard some good news about the release of our new Lionel AF Northern? We in S Guage are really blessed with a lot of really good quality products. The S Helper Consolidation, The American Model Northern, The Lionel Mikado, as well as all the other fine products produced by these fine companies. It is exciting to me a LIFELONG O GAUGER to have O gauge friends say such things as "You know you can do so much more with S than you can with O!" Now that is saying alot from a O Gauger! One thing that I really like about being an S Gauger, to me what ever the manufacturer we have a "family" atmosphere, In O Gauge some Lionel O gaugers and MTH'ers will shoot each other if they could! How I missed going to Eastern Divisions York Meet in April, feel like I missed a 'chapter' out of my life, October isn't far off! Jerry Matsick Jax S Ville

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40226	From: boblines51	Date: 5/4/2006
Subject: Scrach builders

Just to let you know I sold the balsa wood I had. Bob Persing

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40227	From: Phil K	Date: 5/4/2006
Subject: Another great Dispatch!

To all concerned -- I would just like to say that I think the most recent issue (April) of the NASG Dispatch is stronger in content and quality than any of the most recent issues of S-Gaugian. The Dispatch staff -- all volunteers, I believe -- should take a bow. The Dispatch is more than worth the $20 a year for a subscription (which includes NASG membership). That's $16 cheaper than a one- year subscription to the S-Gaugian, and you get the same number of issues: six. IMHO, the S-Gaugian lost a lot of appeal for me when Tom Jarcho passed away. NO substitute could ever replace him and his wonderful, articulate contributions. Now S-Gaugian has lost another major contributor who will be impossible to replace, Bob Tufts. Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40228	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 5/5/2006
Subject: 2006 Spring S Spree, 5/6/2006, 9:30 am

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 40229	From: yorktown26	Date: 5/5/2006
Subject: Re: Another great Dispatch!

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Phil K" <waldootten@...> wrote: > > To all concerned -- > > I would just like to say that I think the most recent issue (April) of > the NASG Dispatch is stronger in content and quality than any of > the most recent issues of S-Gaugian. The Dispatch staff -- all > volunteers, I believe -- should take a bow. > > The Dispatch is more than worth the $20 a year for a subscription > (which includes NASG membership). That's $16 cheaper than a one- > year subscription to the S-Gaugian, and you get the same number of > issues: six. > > IMHO, the S-Gaugian lost a lot of appeal for me when Tom Jarcho passed > away. NO substitute could ever replace him and his wonderful, > articulate contributions. Now S-Gaugian has lost another major > contributor who will be impossible to replace, Bob Tufts. While I agree that the S Gaugian lost 2 valuable contributors, Tom Jarko and Bob Tufts, this is through an unfortunate situation, the fact that both passed away ! Now the S gaugian is at a disadvantage through no fault of their own. They have been a very strong force in our S Gauge community for a very long time and they will continue to grow and overcome these cicumstances. If we say that they are not worth it, then we are taking a step backwards and would be left with only one publication. Let us grow and move forward. Thanks, Dennis Caruso > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40230	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 5/6/2006
Subject: Flyer Fest West, 5/20/2006, 10:00 am

Reminder from the Calendar of S-Trains Flyer Fest West Saturday May 20, 2006 10:00 am - 8:00 pm This event does not repeat. The next reminder for this event will be sent in 7 days, 2 minutes. Event Location: Marriot Hotel, Fremont Ca Street: 46100 Landing Parkway City, State, Zip: Fremont, Ca, 94538 Map Phone: 1-510-413-3700 Notes: 7th annual FFW meet. Table sales, clinics, train races, & dinner on Saturday. Sunday is planned as a free day or you can go on layout tour. ADVERTISEMENT Copyright ©  2006  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved. Privacy Policy - Terms of Service

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40231	From: Ernest Mendecke	Date: 5/6/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 3044

From: "Phil K" <waldootten@...> Date: Tue May 2, 2006 9:56 pm Subject: Good grades waldootten Offline Send Email Hi all -- I have a 4 percent grade in two places on my layout. If I had to do it over, I wouldn't do more than 2 percent. But I digress. Here's the problem: Going up, just like a 12":1' train, too much weight behind the power and the locomotive's wheels slip and spin trying to make the grade (even rivit counters haven't figured out how to use real sand). So either lessen the load or add more pulling power. That's easy. Coming down, though -- some locomotives act realistically, where the can motor slows (brakes) the locomotive to keep it from running away coming downhill (just like dynamic brakes). Yet other locomotives going downgrade tend to run away "loose" -- as if they had no gearing at all (like a dummy loco). I have a 27-inch curve at the bottom of a straightaway downgrade, and I'm afraid one of my $500 steamers will jump the tracks. For instance, I can't control my Mike going downgrade, yet my SHS SW-1 handles it well. It will maintain a relatively constant speed going up, around, and back down. Any ideas why? All of the above are equipped with can motors, BTW. Phil_______________________________ I would think that the locomotives coming down the hill that act realistically have more power/torque than the ones that runaway. The basic design of the worm type drive will not allow an engine to go faster than the free spinning speed of the motor itself. A week motor pulling a heavy load would need more power than a powerful motor going up the hill. If you were to take the load off the engine with the weaker motor then the wheels would spin much faster than the loaded train speed. This free spinning or unloaded speed is the fastest that the engine will go down the hill. At the same time a more powerfull motor with the same load applied will not have the higher free spinning speed and will act more realistically because it has less power applied to do the same work. The free load speed of the motor can not be speeded up because the drive gear can not speed up the worm, rather it will simply pull against it on the back side of the worm causing the braking action. This happens with Flyer motors as well as DC can motors. A large motored Northern/Hudson in good condition will have a somewhat flat operating speed uphill and down as compared to a '48 302 cast engine with the original older type motor and the same train. The 302 will need quite a bit more voltage with the heavier train to make the grade than the larger motored engine and will simply fly down the grade compared to its bigger brother because of the increased power applied to do the same work. This same principal applies to worm driven can motored engines. My three Showcase F3's are very flat uphill and down compred to my little SHS 2-8-0 with the same load. The F3's are idling away while I am working the little steamer with more voltage because I have more power applied increasing the free spinning speed. I also have a K5 with an SNS and a Northern with a Timko can motors. Both are fine motors but the Timko is the one with downhill brakes when pulling a long train because of it's increased power/torque output. Just my thoughts and ideas. Ernie Mennecke [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40232	From: Robert Graves	Date: 5/6/2006
Subject: "Rarity Repaints" are marked with a TCA sticker

Here's the answer about "Rarity Repaints" from TLS Research. seg <seg50@...> wrote: From: "seg" <seg50@...> To: "Robert Graves" <theupstairstrain@...> Subject: Re: Your repaints Date: Sat, 6 May 2006 09:01:47 -0500 Bob, Thanks for your note. The repaints are marked with a TCA refinished tinplate sticker. Steve Gruninger ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Graves To: seg50@... Sent: Friday, May 05, 2006 9:35 PM Subject: Your repaints I like your product line and have links to your website from the Gallery I am building. http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/trains.html Someone has asked the question whether your cars are marked in any way to indicate that they are repaints rather than originals. Can your respond? Thanks. Bob --------------------------------- Love cheap thrills? Enjoy PC-to-Phone calls to 30+ countries for just 2¢/min with Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40233	From: Phil K	Date: 5/6/2006
Subject: Posts missing

This Yahoo! board has been acting up again. It locked up sometime early yesterday afternoon -- several incoming posts that were approved by moderators (me, for one) have mysteriously disappeared. It began working again properly late this morning, so things were screwed up for about 20 hours. If you made a post yesterday and it did not appear, please send it again if you wish. It was not rejected. Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40234	From: Ed Eckert	Date: 5/6/2006
Subject: Update on Flyer Fest West

Don't Miss Out Get your reservations in now! A reminder, that we are now less than 2 weeks away from the 7th Annual Flyer Fest West hosted by the Golden Gate American Flyer Club, Friday thru Sunday, May 19th to the 21st, 2006 at the Marriott Hotel (510-413-3700) in Fremont California. Room reservations in the FFW name will be available up to the meet start, the 19th. This is the largest S gauge Event west of The Rockies. Don't wait until the last minute to send your registration in. If we don't have it by Thursday the 17th, consider that you will be paying $10.00 at the door. If you requesting a dinner, call Angie at 510- 783-5798 for the reservation. Activities will include: • Friday Night No Host Bar Get Together starting at 8pm • Saturday: Doors open at 7am for unloading • Saturday: Meet doors open at 10 am • Saturday: Clinics starting at 11:30 am • Train races 2:30 pm • Raffle at 3 pm • Meet ends at 4 pm. • Saturday night dinner banquet • Saturday for the ladies. We have the Newpark Mall which is just 2 miles away for the ladies to shop if they like and 5 miles South is The Great Mall. • Sunday: Layout Tours, Niles Canyon Railway ( available at additional cost), Ardenwood Farms where the only Carter Brothers Horse Drawn Railway left in existence ( additional cost) That weekend at Ardenwood will also have the Mechanical Music Box members with there Boxes on display in the old mansion per David Dewey, Niles Canyon Antique Shops, Wineries in The East Foothills to Livermore. Tables will be $15.00 for a 6' X 30" and $10.00 for a half table. Room rates are $74.00 at the Marriott Hotel (510-413-3700), (you must request the Flyer Fest West rate) Quad occupancy. Don't call Marriott's 800 phone number! We have a meet car that has the old Shasta logo and is an orange boxcar. This will be available at the meet for $50.00. The mockup can be seen at: http://s-scale.org/albums/v/friends/ironhorse/?g2_navId=xfe9b8472 We have now sold over 70 tables and have flowed into our spillover area. Some of the dealers known at this time are: NorCal Trains, Howard's Trains, Rick Carlson, Randy Anderson, Bob Doe, John Granuci, and SnS Trains. For more information contact Don Matthies, meet chairman at 510-783- 5798, NORCALTT@... or me, Ed Eckert, 408-263-2482, ejenterp@.... Anybody that needs an application and flyer emailed, just email me with your email address.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40235	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 5/6/2006
Subject: Sunday Chat, 5/7/2006, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 40236	From: WMFADAMSNY@frontiernet.net	Date: 5/6/2006
Subject: Trestle & Abutment Set

Anyone have a set of instructions for both a #780 and a #781 set they would be willing to share or tell me where I might find them on the net? I'm working on my prelim layout and am trying to leave room for future expansion. Or, I'ld be willing to purchase the sets outright. Bill Adams Rochester, NY

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40237	From: Al Baker	Date: 5/6/2006
Subject: DC 332 Value?

Hi, I just acquired a DC version 332 in very nice condition. The 332 on the sides of the cab are lettered in silver. Greenberg's 2006 price book lists the value between $1050 and $2050 if I understand it correctly. Quite honestly, I didn't pay that much, but is that really the going price for these? Al

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40238	From: Al Baker	Date: 5/7/2006
Subject: Armatures: DC same as AC ????

AC armatures measure 1-2 ohms (usually 1.6 ohms)between commutator segments. My two DC armatures seem to measure 2.6 ohms. So there must be a difference. So, I assume AC armatures can NOT be used in DC motors?? Right?? Thanks in advance, Al

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40239	From: Larry Moore	Date: 5/7/2006
Subject: Re: DC 332 Value?

Those silver numbers make a big difference in this case, great acquisition. Good luck in the future, Larry ----- Original Message ----- From: Al Baker<mailto:albaker33@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com<mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, May 06, 2006 9:48 PM Subject: [S-Trains] DC 332 Value? Hi, I just acquired a DC version 332 in very nice condition. The 332 on the sides of the cab are lettered in silver. Greenberg's 2006 price book lists the value between $1050 and $2050 if I understand it correctly. Quite honestly, I didn't pay that much, but is that really the going price for these? Al S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com<http://www.americanflyertrains.com/> All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums<http://s-scale.org/albums> Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40240	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 5/7/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 3045 -- DC Northern?

Al, I believe that they are referring to a S.I.T. (smoke-in tender) version from 1947 at that price. A DC version S.I.B.) smoke-in-boiler version from 1948 should fetch much less, although it is still a desirable engine, of course. An annual continuing difficulty with the Greenberg guide is that they muck up the Northern (and 0-8-0) listings causing some confusion about the versions and their relevant pricing. No matter which version your purchased, enjoy your engine! Bob Bubeck In a message dated 5/7/2006 1:54:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes: Hi, I just acquired a DC version 332 in very nice condition. The 332 on the sides of the cab are lettered in silver. Greenberg's 2006 price book lists the value between $1050 and $2050 if I understand it correctly. Quite honestly, I didn't pay that much, but is that really the going price for these? Al [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40241	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 5/7/2006
Subject: Sunday Chat, 5/7/2006, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 40242	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 5/7/2006
Subject: 335 DC

Try looking in the T&M Guide they give more detail but offer no price other than the #5 which is there highest rarity rating. Mike ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97,501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40243	From: Gerald Dobbs	Date: 5/7/2006
Subject: (no subject)

Subject: Armatures: DC same as AC ???? NO! NO! NO Early D.C. Armatures have a resistance of 2.7-2.9 ohms. Late D.C. Armatures have a resistance of 2.1 - 2.3 ohms. As a rule D.C. armatures are marked with a spot of red or green paint. A.C. Armatures very in resistance from .8 to 1.8 depending on the armature. This information is available from Bob Hannon's S-gauge reference manual, well worth the money if you do any repair work on A.F. trains. Jerry 77-11644

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40244	From: Joseph Haughney	Date: 5/7/2006
Subject: Design Packages

Hi, Does anyone have a suggestions on a layout design tool for S. I played around with some engineering CAD/CAM tools but I was wondering if there was anything out there that could be or has been used to design an S based layout. I finally have enough room with a new extension on the back of my house to put in a good sized layout and I want to do it right. My current layout is in my vacation house and is predominately 4x8's and the track design was accomplished by winging it all with S helper track. Any pointers, thoughts, would be appreciated. Regards, Joe Haughney [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40245	From: NASG Library	Date: 5/7/2006
Subject: NASG/Palace Car Co. Pasenger-Car Seats -- AGood news, bad news

All -- First the good news -- The NASG/Palace Car Co. coach seats are a smashing success! We received orders for 136 packages in the first four days. The bad news -- We only contracted for 100 packages, so we (the NASG) are sold out!! So here's what to do to get them. Palace Car Co. has contractually committed to carry these seats in their product line, and has a few thousand seats ready to go. Contact Palace Car Co. at Plainsman Manufacturing, Box 973, Kearney, NE 68848, phone 308-238-5099 to get your reservations in now. Palace is packaging these 38 or 39 seats per package (as opposed to the NASG's 20-seat package) but does not yet have a price. The price will be higher on a per-seat basis because the price of resin has gone up proportional to the price of oil. The NASG locked in its $4-per-package price in its contract with Palace last fall. We can expect a new retail price in a week or so. I'll keep you posted. Dick Karnes, Exec. VP NASG Inc. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40246	From: Brigadier Scottish Shop Beechworth	Date: 5/7/2006
Subject: Train Shows

I have just finished running a train show over the weekend, the purpose of which was to raise money for our local community hall which we succeeded in doing. Mine was the only S gauge AF layout but there were seven others including Lionel, Hornby O, Hornby Dublo, and the usual HOer's. In this era of computer games children are still fascinated by trains. Many of them came back several times to watch my AF accessories including the Log Loader and Sawmill. They just love the "smoke and choo choo"! I have been invited to set up my AF at other Train Shows and need some advice on how to store and transport my trains easily. Has anyone got any recommendations on boxes, etc.? Thanks, John Harvey

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40247	From: Roy Inman	Date: 5/8/2006
Subject: Re: Train Shows

John I too will be interested to hear responses from others. I am sure there must be a better way than how I have been doing it. I use bubble wrap, double thickness, and carefully stack the various pieces of equipment in plastic containers. In between layers in the containers I use 1/2" foam padding. I use more containers than might seem necessary, but I like to keep things to a manageable weight. I don't store the stuff in the bubble wrap however. I either return it to the original packaging after the show or else wrap it in white, soft, cotton cloth. Cheers :) Roy Inman www.unionstationphotos.com > From: Brigadier Scottish Shop Beechworth <brigadie@...> > Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 13:02:31 +1000 > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] Train Shows > > I have just finished running a train show over the weekend, the purpose > of which was to raise money for our local community hall which we > succeeded in doing. Mine was the only S gauge AF layout but there were > seven others including Lionel, Hornby O, Hornby Dublo, and the usual > HOer's. In this era of computer games children are still fascinated by > trains. Many of them came back several times to watch my AF accessories > including the Log Loader and Sawmill. They just love the "smoke and choo > choo"! > > I have been invited to set up my AF at other Train Shows and need some > advice on how to store and transport my trains easily. Has anyone got > any recommendations on boxes, etc.? > > Thanks, > John Harvey > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40248	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 5/8/2006
Subject: Re;Train Shows

I just returned from doing the S Spree with my small layout. Working at a local school, I use cardboard boxes that we get reams of paper in. Advantages: they're free, they have straight sides(some plastic boxes taper toward the bottom), and are just the right size for S gauge rolling stock and structures. Disadvantages: they don't stand up to more than about a year's use, not rain proof, no handy handles to carry them. I separate layers of trains and structures in the boxes with sheets of cardboard and wrap each item in bubble wrap or newspaper. My layout is built on a sheet of extruded styrofoam to keep it light. Track, ground cover, etc. is permanantly fixes to the layout. Trees, buildings, etc are carried separatly in the boxes. The layout is in two sections that fit in my vehicle and are of a conveiniantly carrying size (44x30" in this case)and will fit the standard tables found at train shows, or on my own folding tables. The MAIN thing about doing train shows is to think everything out in advance. Keep it simple, organized, and light in weight. Have a back up power pack and locomotives in case of trouble as you don't want to be shut down while there's a crowd on hand. I've been doing displays for years, but learn something new just about every time I set up. Stumpy Stone...Creative Imagineer in Martins Ferry, OH.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40249	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 5/8/2006
Subject: S'Spree 2006

A few photos from this years S'Spree http://s-scale.org/albums/v/friends/jfred436/Spree06/DSCF0260.JPG.html The last two are from the picnic Sat afternoon. I ran out of memory, so for a better look at the 1/8 scale live steam (and other power) operation where the picnic was see http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/norats00/my_photos --------------------------------- Get amazing travel prices for air and hotel in one click on Yahoo! FareChase [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40250	From: lember2004	Date: 5/8/2006
Subject: Re: Design Packages

Joe, Cosider the program called RR-Track. It can be configured for S. Info is at www.rrtrack.com. I have used it with success for designing my layout. Mark --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Joseph Haughney" <J.Haughney1@...> wrote: > > Hi, > > Does anyone have a suggestions on a layout design tool for S. > > ....... > Joe Haughney > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40251	From: Bill Porter	Date: 5/8/2006
Subject: Re: Train Shows

Esteemed Colleagues, I too just returned from a train show. This is the Spring TTOS meet in Port Saint Lucie, Florida. I take the 6 modules of the Royal Palm and Loxahatchee Central to the Spring and Fall meets every year. There I let the kids run the trains. As Brothers Harvey and Inman have discovered, taking your trains out to play is a hoot. I highly recommend it. The modules are stacked on edge in the back of a minivan. There are three pairs positioned so that the tracks face each other. I put rigid Styrofoam or corrugated cardboard between the facing track surfaces. All of the wires fit up, inside the modules. I bungee cord the modules together so that they will not shift nor fall over during transit. Paul Yorke's trolley module is unpack able. It just sits on top of everything else. I may overhaul that thing this summer. Paul made a loop of track with 5 inch radius flex track a few years ago. It includes a Putt trolley powered by a small "wall-wart" power supply. It provides lots of action for very little effort on my part at the shows. Buildings, light towers, vehicles, a flag or two and any other items in the supporting cast are stored in office supply boxes. Those are the type with handle holes and lids. Each item is packed in a plastic shopping bag to keep and falling parts together. Sometimes I also include soft foam, bubble wrap or towels to provide more protection. The box does most of that job, but I do not want the items to move within the box. The trains mostly go in a couple of suitcases. These are the type with handles and rollers. I used sturdy, corrugated cardboard and hot glue to build trays with compartments; one compartment for each car or engine. The compartments are oriented so that when the suitcase is upright on its rollers, the cars are resting on their wheels. I cut some soft foam pieces to hold the cars in place. End pieces usually have cutouts to miss the couplers. In many cases, I also have pieces of foam crammed in above the cars to dampen vertical motion. I have added a page on my personal web site to show the travel case: http://wpporter.duckburg.us/travelcase.htm Let me know if you can see it OK and if that helps. Later, Bill Bill Porter Loxahatchee -----Original Message----- . . . I have been invited to set up my AF at other Train Shows and need some advice on how to store and transport my trains easily. Has anyone got any recommendations on boxes, etc.? Thanks, John Harvey

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40252	From: beebear	Date: 5/8/2006
Subject: Switches

I have 6 pairs of remote and 2 manual control American Flyer switches left plus 6 dual controllers for them Any one have a diesel or two for trade for the whole lot of them? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40253	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 5/8/2006
Subject: Footprint Gravley Building by Bar Mills

Good afternoon: Does anyone know what is the footprint of the Gravley Building by Bar Mills? I really need to know how deep it is. And does this include the sidewalk out front? I'm planning a module and trying to discover if I have room to put another track behind it. Thanks! Thorin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40254	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 5/8/2006
Subject: Design help needed

I am planning a module. I am in need of help laying out an S curve. A tangent track enters at Point A. It drops 9.25 inches in an S curve to exit at Point B. (Track C - D is the front track on an NASG compatible module.) Point A is 45 inches left of Point B. (Per NASG standards, the last three inches of my 48 inch module must be tangent.) The radius is to be 46 inches. (CSG corner module's inner loop radius.) +-----------------------------------+ | | A |---___ | | ---___ | | ---___ | | ---___ | | -----------| B C |-----------------------------------| D | | +-----------------------------------+ My question is: Does this fit in my 45 inches? How long is the tangent track in the middle? How far left can I shove point 'B' and still run anything without binding on the S curve? (Anything includes big articulated steam locomotives and 85 foot passenger cars.) I know at least one of you have software that will give this answer in seconds. Thank you for your help and experience, Thorin

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40255	From: Roy Inman	Date: 5/8/2006
Subject: For Dick Karnes

Hi Dick Karnes; Re: your very nice article and photos in the April Dispatch. So, does your local friendly hobby shop have any more of those Walthers Bascule Bridge kits? I have been looking for one high and low but to no avail. Cheers :) Roy Inman www.unionstationphotos.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40256	From: Keith Blanchard	Date: 5/8/2006
Subject: Machine Shop Advert

Hi Gang, We just posted pics of our new Machine Shop kit for S-scale. Here is a link to the page http://www.pinecanyonscalemodels.com/machineshop.htm This structure is a sister to our soon to be released Boiler House. The two will work nicely together. Gotta have a steam boiler for the steam powered machines in the shop. The two railroad cars in the pics are the ones I picked up from Howard's Trains at the O-scale West. They are made by the good folks at S-Helper Service. I just did a bit of re-painting, weathering and added our Pine Canyon name. The fire engine is Code3. Please excuse our cross-posting. Its been a long time since we have had news to share. Still having fun in the Canyon, Keith Blanchard

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40257	From: Robert A Persing	Date: 5/8/2006
Subject: Re: Train Shows

I use the large baseball card boxes,that have the dividers in them.I use these for engines and roling stock.There is 5 slots to put items in,I think the boxes are for 5000 cards not sure but they are the big boxes. Bob Persing ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brigadier Scottish Shop Beechworth" <brigadie@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2006 11:02 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Train Shows >I have just finished running a train show over the weekend, the purpose > of which was to raise money for our local community hall which we > succeeded in doing. Mine was the only S gauge AF layout but there were > seven others including Lionel, Hornby O, Hornby Dublo, and the usual > HOer's. In this era of computer games children are still fascinated by > trains. Many of them came back several times to watch my AF accessories > including the Log Loader and Sawmill. They just love the "smoke and choo > choo"! > > I have been invited to set up my AF at other Train Shows and need some > advice on how to store and transport my trains easily. Has anyone got > any recommendations on boxes, etc.? > > Thanks, > John Harvey > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40258	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 5/8/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 3046 - 332DC

Mike, There are prices listed for all versions of the 332DCs. Please check the 2nd edition (1946 - 2004), which is the most up to date. Bob Bubeck In a message dated 5/8/2006 3:51:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes: Message 3 From: "anormal1@..." anormal1@... Date: Sun May 7, 2006 5:05pm(PDT) Subject: 332 DC Try looking in the T&M Guide they give more detail but offer no price other than the #5 which is there highest rarity rating. Mike ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97,501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40259	From: Al	Date: 5/8/2006
Subject: S-gauge cars and figures

I found some 1/64th scale cars and figures at the following address: http://www.tin-soldier.com/cgi-bin/ustorekeeper.pl Enjoy Al

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40260	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 5/8/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 3046 - 332DC

I just check the newer issue of T&M it is listed there for $13,000 if in E cond. Mike ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97,501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40261	From: Doug Peck	Date: 5/8/2006
Subject: Bubble Wrap---BAD idea!

This has become an annual (or semi-annual) posting, as the use of bubble-wrap for your trains keeps rearing its ugly head. DON'T use it! As I have stated each time, I have seen bubble wrap destroy the finish on painted trains (metal or plastic) as well as on unpainted plastic in a matter of days. In one case, an engine that was shipped to me for repair, wrapped in bubble wrap, had finish damage by the time it reached me and I unwrapped it....less than a week. At the present time, I am in the process of selling, on consignment, a sizable prewar Gilbert collection, some of which had been stored in bubble-wrap. I'm finding many pieces with finish damage. Bubble wrap, unlike sheet plastic, is made with certain gases or oils that will react with the paint and plastic and cause "dimpling" of the finish. Unless you catch it very quickly, you cannot remove it. Wrapping it backward (flat side of the b-w against the item) makes no difference......those gases/oils are still there! There is some indication that b-w that is very old is OK....but I wouldn't risk it. Wrap your item in a piece of tissue paper or paper towel first.....THEN in b-w. Don't take a chance! Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST), Also often available, "by chance", for telephone orders: Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, 7-9 PM. 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: http://www.portlines.com <http://www.portlines.com/> E-mail: doug@... VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40262	From: Roy Inman	Date: 5/8/2006
Subject: AF, LAF coupler change

I apologize in advance for asking this because I know it has come up several times. But, as is the case with my 30-second attention span, at that time I did not need the information. Any tips, suggestions for replacing AF couplers on Flyonel cars would be appreciated. Looks to me as though I need to drill out the rivet (I guess it's a rivet of some sort?) that holds the coupler in place, then re-drill holes to mount the new 802's or SHS or whatever, shimming as necessary, and of course using a coupler height gauge along the way. But I await any replies for the collective sage advice of this august group of modelers. Cheers :) Roy Inman www.unionstationphotos.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40263	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 5/8/2006
Subject: Re: S'Spree 2006

OOPS, that's http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/norats00/my_photos JFrederick Roberts <jfred436@...> wrote: A few photos from this years S'Spree http://s-scale.org/albums/v/friends/jfred436/Spree06/DSCF0260.JPG.html The last two are from the picnic Sat afternoon. I ran out of memory, so for a better look at the 1/8 scale live steam (and other power) operation where the picnic was see http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/norats00/my_photos --------------------------------- Get amazing travel prices for air and hotel in one click on Yahoo! FareChase [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger’s low PC-to-Phone call rates. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40264	From: nyc17819@aol.com	Date: 5/8/2006
Subject: Track Design Geometry

Thorin wrote, I am planning a module. I am in need of help laying out an S curve. A tangent track enters at Point A. It drops 9.25 inches in an S curve to exit at Point B. (Track C - D is the front track on an NASG compatible module.) Point A is 45 inches left of Point B. (Per NASG standards, the last three inches of my 48 inch module must be tangent.) The radius is to be 46 inches. (CSG corner module's inner loop radius.) +-----------------------------------+ | | A |---___ | | ---___ | | ---___ | | ---___ | | -----------| B C |-----------------------------------| D | | +-----------------------------------+ My question is: Does this fit in my 45 inches? How long is the tangent track in the middle? How far left can I shove point 'B' and still run anything without binding on the S curve? (Anything includes big articulated steam locomotives and 85 foot passenger cars.) I know at least one of you have software that will give this answer in seconds. Thank you for your help and experience, Thorin Marty, I've attached a jpg file showing what is, I believe, the track alignment you desire. Using the dimensions you provided, the tangent distance between the two curves is 1'-8 3/16" but if you need a 3 inch tangent on both ends of the 48 inch length, then the tangent on both ends is three inches and the distance between the ends of the curves reduces from 45 inches to 42 inches. This reduces the tangent between the curves to 1'-0 1/8". Chris Harding [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40265	From: trainman634	Date: 5/8/2006
Subject: Freight Cars in Plastic Bags

Lionel puts their new freight cars in plastic bags before placing them in the box. Does the plastic bag cause the same problem as the bubble wrap? Should the plastic bag be removed before the car is stored for a long time?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40266	From: Randall L. Griggs	Date: 5/9/2006
Subject: 'S' U-18 from Durham Industries battery powered train set

I finally restored the photo gallery about the U-18 I fabricated out of two Durham Industries battery-powered train sets back in the '80's. Go to: http://s-scale.org/albums/v/friends/rlgriggs/U-18+Conversion/?g2_navId=x30b4f25f to see all the details, results, and some comparisons. Although quite rare, some Durham Industries locomotives have shown up on eBay. Just recently there was one offered at: http://cgi.ebay.com/GE-U-BOAT-SHELL_W0QQitemZ6055178135QQcategoryZ16509QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem The bid ended May-07-06 13:30:02 PDT with no bids. It's no wonder. Today, it's not necessary to kit bash a U-Boat since Ron at American Models has created some fantastic U25Bs for us. But, in the early 80's we had little choice (other than expensive brass). Regards, Randy Griggs

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40267	From: charlie and edith	Date: 5/9/2006
Subject: Circus Flatcar Paint

Greetings! A belated thank you, for all the suggestions of color match for the AF circus flatcar. The car is ready for the dry transfers .... which will need a clearcoat for protection? Should I contined with a gloss, semi-gloss or flat to approach the "original" tone of the finish? Thanks and best wishes, Charlie [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40268	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 5/9/2006
Subject: Re: Freight Cars in Plastic Bags

In a message dated 05/08/2006 9:12:34 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, wes4260@... writes: Lionel puts their new freight cars in plastic bags before placing them in the box. Does the plastic bag cause the same problem as the bubble wrap? Should the plastic bag be removed before the car is stored for a long time? No, those bags are safe. Steve SnS Trains Boise [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40269	From: Jenni Sipla	Date: 5/9/2006
Subject: Re: Train Shows

For storage of engines and cars for af i use the roll around plastic drawer cabinets they are made by IRIS inc. you can find them at any major retailer including Big Lots and HOBO. Price ranges from 10 to 25 each the drawers are perfect height for all engines and cars. However only Atlantics will fit with out removing the tender wires or at least the draw bar. the Franklin is the only engine and the #40 car that will not fit with out laying down. even my northern and my EP5 fits standing up with ease(must pack it first though) and I use card board and foam rubber as cushion. The containers are about 26"-28"Hx12"Wx14"-16"D the height includes the wheels and have 6 drawers they also fit under my banquet tables that i use. (they are the resign type 6ft from Menards on sale now under $30) Bret Brigadier Scottish Shop Beechworth <brigadie@...> wrote: I have just finished running a train show over the weekend, the purpose of which was to raise money for our local community hall which we succeeded in doing. Mine was the only S gauge AF layout but there were seven others including Lionel, Hornby O, Hornby Dublo, and the usual HOer's. In this era of computer games children are still fascinated by trains. Many of them came back several times to watch my AF accessories including the Log Loader and Sawmill. They just love the "smoke and choo choo"! I have been invited to set up my AF at other Train Shows and need some advice on how to store and transport my trains easily. Has anyone got any recommendations on boxes, etc.? Thanks, John Harvey S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously low rates. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40270	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 5/9/2006
Subject: AF Northern Shipping Date Changed

Bummer.. Moved back to August 6 according to the Lionel Web site. Carl

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Subject: American Flyer Trains For Sale

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 40272	From: Don Thompson	Date: 5/9/2006
Subject: Re: Freight Cars in Plastic Bags

This is how over very first SHS PS-2 covered hoppers arrived from China 12 years ago (Yikes! has it been that long?). I can say that after 12 years I have seen no effect on our PS-2s. I have some un-opened boxes (e-bay of the future?) and they look the same as they did when we first got them. Best, Don trainman634 wrote: >Lionel puts their new freight cars in plastic bags before placing them >in the box. Does the plastic bag cause the same problem as the bubble >wrap? Should the plastic bag be removed before the car is stored for a >long time? >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40273	From: femiro2002@yahoo.com	Date: 5/9/2006
Subject: LIONEL UP 4 8 4

LIONEL UP 4 8 4 Maybe they are going to be picked up in Cal by UP 844, seen here on The Golden State Route westbound in NM (5/7/06). http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/femiro2002/detail?.dir=/mail&.dnm=1fc1re2.jpg&.src=ph&.tok=phWF21EBEDzpRU0a [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40274	From: Knight, Gene	Date: 5/9/2006
Subject: Re: AF Northern Shipping Date Changed

Yes it is....along with the animated track gang. Gene -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Carl Tuveson Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 11:33 AM To: S-Trains (S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) Subject: [S-Trains] AF Northern Shipping Date Changed Bummer.. Moved back to August 6 according to the Lionel Web site. Carl S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40275	From: nsupbnsf@juno.com	Date: 5/9/2006
Subject: Transporting Trains

I use a six drawer IRIS Mini-chest to lug trains to shows. These are available at Office Max and other retailers. I line the drawers with fleece (A fabric shop is right next door to Office Max here), with strips of fleece between bare rolling stock. This gets four to five passenger cars in a drawer, or 6 - 8 freight cars. Steam locomotive will need to be separated from their tenders. While cars still in boxes fit in the drawers, they do take up a lot more room. With the mini-chest wheels on, they roll nicely. They sit on the car seat, strapped in with a shoulder harness. You may want to level it by wedging something (say a towel) between the seat and the offending wheels. A towel is good, because it will be washable should the wheels have been run through something you don't want on your car seats. This arrangement has been used successfully for many years now. Alan Udy, RMHRS Idaho Falls, ID [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40276	From: faltrain5	Date: 5/9/2006
Subject: Hey guys! Just Got a General Question on the 633 B/O Car.

Hi, again and I am just here to ask a question and I need to to know the difference of how to recognize a boxcar between a reefer. I also own the rare expensive 989 reefer car and am looking to see the 633 is like it in any ways and just can't find a way to see how they are different. Because if it is a reefer kind then its worth more than a regular boxcar. Needing requests. P.S. If anyone knows of any train shows around the mercer county or Aliance Ohio area I would love to know. I try to go to them if there around. They are great! -Geoff

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40277	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 5/9/2006
Subject: Re: Hey guys! Just Got a General Question on the 633 B/O Car.

the biggest diff is in the doors........ Box has Horiz lines, ribbed, while the reefer is smooth with levers, dummy, for opening........ true there are other diff but these stickot for across the room...... Bob C. ----- Original Message ----- From: "faltrain5" <faltrain5@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 7:26 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Hey guys! Just Got a General Question on the 633 B/O Car. > Hi, again and I am just here to ask a question and I need to to > know the difference of how to recognize a boxcar between a reefer. I > also own the rare expensive 989 reefer car and am looking to see the > 633 is like it in any ways and just can't find a way to see how they > are different. Because if it is a reefer kind then its worth more than > a regular boxcar. > Needing requests. > > P.S. If anyone knows of any train shows around the mercer county or > Aliance Ohio area I would love to know. I try to go to them if there > around. They are great! > > -Geoff > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40278	From: Robert Graves	Date: 5/9/2006
Subject: Re: Hey guys! Just Got a General Question on the 633 B/O Car.

My website tells another way to distinguish them: http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/reefers.html This is pretty obvious, too. ROBERT ALLEN CONNER <rcon7@...> wrote: the biggest diff is in the doors........ Box has Horiz lines, ribbed, while the reefer is smooth with levers, dummy, for opening........ true there are other diff but these stickot for across the room...... Bob C. ----- Original Message ----- From: "faltrain5" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 7:26 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Hey guys! Just Got a General Question on the 633 B/O Car. > Hi, again and I am just here to ask a question and I need to to > know the difference of how to recognize a boxcar between a reefer. I > also own the rare expensive 989 reefer car and am looking to see the > 633 is like it in any ways and just can't find a way to see how they > are different. Because if it is a reefer kind then its worth more than > a regular boxcar. > Needing requests. > > P.S. If anyone knows of any train shows around the mercer county or > Aliance Ohio area I would love to know. I try to go to them if there > around. They are great! > > -Geoff > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40279	From: Roger Delthony	Date: 5/9/2006
Subject: Re: Transporting Trains to Shows

For train cars I use boxes that computer keyboards and other electronic equipment comes in. The boxes are approx. 10"x20"x2-1/2 to 3-1/2" deep which is a good size for packing S-guage cars one deep. The 10'x20' top opens and eight freight cars will go in with sheet packing interleaved between rows of cars. It's quick, the boxes stack nicely, and the cars are well protected. For locomotives especially SHS and AM I have a not-to-big plastic suitcase that I have lined with 1/2" thick urethane foam. The locomotives go in the suitcase in their original boxes, one layer deep in each half of the suitcase. This gives extra protection to the locomotives which are more fragile than regular cars.. Ladies' makeup or vanity cases by Samsonite, American Tourister, and others, are tough plastic, practically indestructible, and make excellent tool boxes. They hold a lot more than normal toolboxes. Some come with a drop-in tray for small parts that fits in the top of the case. Remove the fabric lining and mirror and you have your tool box. Suitcases and vanity cases can be found at garage sales, curbside, or at used-stuff stores for almost nothing. Copier paper boxes are good for large accessories and other items. They stack well. A hand truck is a godsend for moving materials into and out of a show. It will save many trips from and to the car carrying things. Get one with large enough rubber wheels (8" dia. is good) so that you can negotiate door thresholds and not get bogged down in gravel or other obstacles. Hand trucks can be found at garage sales. Regards, Roger Delthony I have just finished running a train show over the weekend, the purpose snip...snip... advice on how to store and transport my trains easily. Has anyone got any recommendations on boxes, etc.? Thanks, John Harvey

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40280	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 5/10/2006
Subject: Re: Track Design Geometry

Dear Chris: Thank you very, very much for the jpg you sent me. (If someone asks, I will post it to the files section.) With a length of 45 inches (48 - 3 for one NASG end) = 1'8 3/4" = 20 3/8" = 107'8" scale feet. With a length of 42 inches (48 - 6 for two NASG ends) = 1'1/8" = 12 1/8" = 64'8" scale feet. This is a tremendous help. Thorin -----Original Message----- From: NYC17819@... [mailto:NYC17819@...] Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 9:53 PM To: Marty.Thorin Cc: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Track Design Geometry Thorin wrote, I am planning a module. I am in need of help laying out an S curve. A tangent track enters at Point A. It drops 9.25 inches in an S curve to exit at Point B. (Track C - D is the front track on an NASG compatible module.) Point A is 45 inches left of Point B. (Per NASG standards, the last three inches of my 48 inch module must be tangent.) The radius is to be 46 inches. (CSG corner module's inner loop radius.) +-----------------------------------+ | | A |---___ | | ---___ | | ---___ | | ---___ | | -----------| B C |-----------------------------------| D | | +-----------------------------------+ My question is: Does this fit in my 45 inches? How long is the tangent track in the middle? How far left can I shove point 'B' and still run anything without binding on the S curve? (Anything includes big articulated steam locomotives and 85 foot passenger cars.) I know at least one of you have software that will give this answer in seconds. Thank you for your help and experience, Thorin Marty, I've attached a jpg file showing what is, I believe, the track alignment you desire. Using the dimensions you provided, the tangent distance between the two curves is 1'-8 3/16" but if you need a 3 inch tangent on both ends of the 48 inch length, then the tangent on both ends is three inches and the distance between the ends of the curves reduces from 45 inches to 42 inches. This reduces the tangent between the curves to 1'-0 1/8". Chris Harding

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40281	From: John Gibson	Date: 5/10/2006
Subject: Re: Design Packages

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Joseph Haughney" <J.Haughney1@...> wrote: > > Hi, > > Does anyone have a suggestions on a layout design tool for S. > > >SNIP =================================================================== Joe: Any of the commercial RR CAD programs can be used to design a layout in S. Two of the more well known are CADRail & 3rdPlanIt. The programs typically have a conversion function that allow for changes between various scales. If you want a fairly decent program that is free and can be used for S, go here and download Xtrkcad: http://www.sillub.com/ This program also has its own Yahoo support group. Hope this helps, John Gibson Rocklin, CA

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40282	From: Larry Moore	Date: 5/10/2006
Subject: Set K5206W

Need help, in the 1952 catalog set #K5206W, would the 930 caboose, as a general rule, been red or tuscan? Thanks, Larry [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40283	From: Joseph Haughney	Date: 5/10/2006
Subject: Thanks for the info.

Gentlemen, Thanks for the messages on the layout planning tools. I'm investigating all of the presented options. Will let you know what I finally decide to go with. Regads, Joe Haughney [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40284	From: Ed	Date: 5/10/2006
Subject: Re: Set K5206W

In general ther were 3 basic versions: The early riveted coupler, 930 red caboose, 931 Gondola with larger number spacing, (1 is moved to the far right). The next versionwould be the same as above except for the early couplers The 3rd variation and produced near the end would be the American Flyer Tuscan caboose (not American Flyer lines), and the 931 Gondola with the close 31 numbers such as the 53-55 models. When they changed the Gondola and the caboose, is anybodies guess, so there could still be additional varaiations out there. The biggest thing is the Gondola. Nobody really talks about the number spacing. The spread out version is 52 only. Ed -------Original Message------- From: Larry Moore Date: 05/10/06 16:06:34 To: s-trains Subject: [S-Trains] Set K5206W Need help, in the 1952 catalog set #K5206W, would the 930 caboose, as a general rule, been red or tuscan? Thanks, Larry [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40285	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 5/10/2006
Subject: CN Reefer EBAY listing

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6055282752&ru=http%3A%2F%2Fsearch.ebay.com%3A80%2Fsearch%2Fsearch.dll%3Fcgiurl%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fcgi.ebay.com%252Fws%252F%26fkr%3D1%26from%3DR8%26satitle%3D6055282752%26category0%3D%26fvi%3D1 Any thought on this CN Reefer with the doors? I believe this type of door was used on other reefers. So, I would think somehow these doors got mixed in a batch of doors to be painted for the CN Reefer. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40286	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 5/10/2006
Subject: Western MD Rail Trail

http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/MidAtlantictrails/photos/browse/c191 I thought I would send a link to a rail trail group that I am on for some pictures of a wonderful rail trail. Maybe you might find some interest in seeing what can be done with a rail line, that has been abandon. Rail trails can be found all over the US, but this is very unique. The pictures show allot of early American History via the railroad and the canal system. This trail, the Western Maryland Rail Trail, is located along the Potomac River and C&O Canal with Hancock, MD being a fairly close mid point of the trail. The rail trail is 23 miles from Big Pool, MD to a end point 12 miles past Hancock. The rail line will have an additional 3 miles done by 2008, with the trail going through the Indigo Tunnel, that is over a mile long. There will be solar lighting for the tunnel. The rail line would go on to Cumberland, MD, as the line would cross the Potomac River over 6 trestles, as this is where the MD/WVA border is curvy. There will be an additional 2 tunnels that the trail will go through. However, the people of WVA are fighting not to have this trail go through there state. A political issue, which is discussion elsewhere. I think you will enjoy the pictures. I will say, that my wife and I starting riding bikes on a regular basis every weekend and now if we can not go due to rain, etc. we can feel it, almost like a drug withdrawal! We average about 13 miles a hour on Bridgestone Mountain Bikes, that are no longer made. They are top of the line Aluminum bikes for light weight. One of the best investments in health we have made in our lives, as we walk everyday too for 4 miles. Anyway, the first picture is my 1987 Voyager, that will be 20 years in August, as we got it in 1986. Van is in great shape, as not having car payments gives me more money for trains. O:)! Why get rid of it, as we take great care of it and we have never broken down. My other car is a 1988 Cutlass Supreme, to give that a plug. And is in the same great condition, original engine! O:)! This is my first time doing a photo album, as I have a few duplicates that I don't know how to delete. The trail has lots of artifacts, old RR telephone poles, RR signal bases, old abandon Apple Loading dock. That must be the original Louie the Barrel loader. The loading dock is very long, as the brush has covered it up allot. In the spring and fall, you can see allot more of it. Lots of abandon buildings and houses along on the trail, as well as houses still in use. This area is know for it's Apple crop. Along the canal, is a cement plant, Round Top Cement Co. The views I have are above the plant, as you can see a smoke stack and a few walls. The better view is from the canal, which I hope to get next week. There are lime caves for the cement company. There will be a picture of a one room school house foundation. That was built in 1875 at a cost of $375. And there are lots of pictures of the rail line being cut through the mountains and rock cuts. The rocks do fall, as there has been damage to the trail at times. There is access points to the canal as I have some pictures of locks and a feeder dam from the Potomac. These structures where built in the 1830's. The liftlock house is not original, except for the base. The original stones are still on the grounds. There are however, many lock houses still standing. Some in very good shape and some in ruins. All of the pictures are between Hancock and the end of the trail, north 12.5 miles away, so that is a 25 mile round trip. The lower part of the trail is not as scenic, as it is along the canal and I-70, but it has about 6 short trestles. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40287	From: Larry Moore	Date: 5/10/2006
Subject: Re: Set K5206W

Ed, Thanks for the response to my question. Can you help me with a few more questions? According to info in Greenberg guide the K325 was made in 52 only. What would the year be of the early riveted coupler in relation? I have a 930 Tuscan (American Flyer Lines). Do you know year it was made? My 931 gondolas ( I have 2) are the close numbers and that is what is shown in the 52 catalog. I therefore am assuming they would be correct with this set. Although you say the spread version was a 52 production also. Finally I guess I don't the difference between type 1-2-3 caboose bodies. Can you educate me on them? Thanks, Larry ----- Original Message ----- From: Ed<mailto:ejenterp@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com<mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> ; Larry Moore<mailto:mo2337@...> Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 7:31 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Set K5206W In general ther were 3 basic versions: The early riveted coupler, 930 red caboose, 931 Gondola with larger number spacing, (1 is moved to the far right). The next versionwould be the same as above except for the early couplers The 3rd variation and produced near the end would be the American Flyer Tuscan caboose (not American Flyer lines), and the 931 Gondola with the close 31 numbers such as the 53-55 models. When they changed the Gondola and the caboose, is anybodies guess, so there could still be additional varaiations out there. The biggest thing is the Gondola. Nobody really talks about the number spacing. The spread out version is 52 only. Ed -------Original Message------- From: Larry Moore Date: 05/10/06 16:06:34 To: s-trains Subject: [S-Trains] Set K5206W Need help, in the 1952 catalog set #K5206W, would the 930 caboose, as a general rule, been red or tuscan? Thanks, Larry [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com<http://www.americanflyertrains.com/> All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums<http://s-scale.org/albums> Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com<http://www.americanflyertrains.com/> All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums<http://s-scale.org/albums> Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40288	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 5/11/2006
Subject: Re: Set K5206W

You will find most common in this set the red painted 930 with AMERICAN FLYER on the sides. Early ones had riveted coupler. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40289	From: Eric Child	Date: 5/11/2006
Subject: TMCC Question

If I were to obtain a Digital Dynamics Motor Mite then I should be able to run a Flyonel PA diesel using TMCC, right? That would give me direction and speed control. What about the Railsounds in a B unit? Would the horn, bell and engine sounds respond to the CAB1 unit, or would something else be needed? Thanks

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40290	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 5/11/2006
Subject: Re: TMCC Question

Eric, That would give you direction and speed control and headlight control with contant lighting voltage. I use a transformer (MTH Z-4000) that has the whistle and bell controls built in it to power my TMCC layout giving me whistle/horn control for the B units from the transformer for just the senario you are asking about. I like that transformer because it also has a pure sine wave out and will not make the old AC Gilbert Speakers buzz. The Railsounds unit in the B units is does not have the programming to use a TMCC serial input for triggering. You would have to change the railsound unit and add a connection to the receiver for the sound trigger. It would be easy to add the Electric RR's Sound Commander to the A unit for horn and bell and keep the B unit intact for prime mover sounds if you wanted to have Cab-1 control of the horn and bell sounds. Carl -----Original Message----- From: Eric Child [mailto:gort@...] Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 2:19 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] TMCC Question If I were to obtain a Digital Dynamics Motor Mite then I should be able to run a Flyonel PA diesel using TMCC, right? That would give me direction and speed control. What about the Railsounds in a B unit? Would the horn, bell and engine sounds respond to the CAB1 unit, or would something else be needed? Thanks S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40291	From: Roy Inman	Date: 5/11/2006
Subject: S speeder?

Just doing a periodic check on the Briggs Models speeder that was supposed to be produced in February. Anyone have any luck contacting those folks to see if in fact it is going to happen? I recall at least one person saying that prepayment had been sent by him, and he could not get a reply from Briggs, nor can I. Anyone on the list who knows Jeff Briggs personally, or who lives in Victoria, BC, Canada? Maybe drop by and ask in person? Roy Inman www.unionstationphotos.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40292	From: Velapoldi	Date: 5/11/2006
Subject: AM

Hi all: Anyone have a direct e-mail for American Models? The only one I have is <kbashista@...> which I have tried but have gotten no answer to a question. Thanks. Rance Velapoldi (Norway)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40293	From: John Foley	Date: 5/11/2006
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} S speeder?

Hi Roy Go to Briggs's website for an update.http://www.members.shaw.ca/briggsmodels/ John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roy Inman" <rinphoto@...> To: "S-Scale" <S-Scale@yahoogroups.com>; "S-trains" <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 10:52 Subject: {S-Scale List} S speeder? > Just doing a periodic check on the Briggs Models speeder that was supposed > to be produced in February. > Anyone have any luck contacting those folks to see if in fact it is going to > happen? > I recall at least one person saying that prepayment had been sent by him, > and he could not get a reply from Briggs, nor can I. > Anyone on the list who knows Jeff Briggs personally, or who lives in > Victoria, BC, Canada? Maybe drop by and ask in person? > Roy Inman > www.unionstationphotos.com > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40294	From: NASG Library	Date: 5/11/2006
Subject: Palace Car Co. coach seat package price

All -- Palace Car Co. is now ready to process your orders for lightweight coach seats. The retail price is $12.75 per package of 36 double seats. Order yours by contacting Palace Car Co. at Plainsman Manufacturing, Box 973, Kearney, NE 68848, phone (308) 238-5099. Dick Karnes, Exec. VP NASG Inc.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40295	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 5/11/2006
Subject: Re: [toytrains] Western MD Rail Trail

I was just told that if you are not a member of a certain group on Yahoo, you can not access the links of that group like the pictures I have. I did not know this. I think the pictures are worthly of a view, so if you are interested, join the group, look at the pictures, then leave the group. Or, if the moderator will let me for the TTML and S group, I could post a album on these groups for a week of them and then delete. I await the moderators to let me know if this is okay, as I would not want to take up photo space on something that is not toy train for a long time. But again, I think it is worthy of a train related topic. Mike Marmer

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40296	From: Steve	Date: 5/11/2006
Subject: Double reverse loop

Anyone have any ideas on how to wire the double reverse loop that's shown on the second page of the reverse loop relay directions? http://www.tuveson.com/965reverseLooprelay/page_2.htm I'm going to get a couple atlas switch machines and try and figure it out, but I'm more than happy to let someone tell me how to do it! Thanks for all your help.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40297	From: ruth.leahy@colorado.edu	Date: 5/12/2006
Subject: "B" unit problems

I have a diesel "B" unit that constantly buzzes as if I was trying to blown the horn. Any ideas on what the problem is? Any suggestions would be appreciated. Mike Leahy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40298	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 5/12/2006
Subject: York Fairgrounds This Weekend

I see in the Washington Post, there is a ad, for the York Fairgrounds Antique show. In the ad, they toot their horn (train plug) that the Toyota Hall (Orange Hall) will fill up completely with vendors. WOW! One whole hall! LOL I guess the city of York really appreciates the TCA and the Eastern Division for the fine job they do in filling ALL the halls for a train show, twice a year and what it does for the economy of York and the surrounding area. Now the Cat Show, May 6 at the fairgrounds............ Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40299	From: Velapoldi	Date: 5/13/2006
Subject: AM4-8-4

Hi all: I have read either that AM is in the midst of sending all the high rail 4-8-4's out, or that they have sent all of them out (a few months ago). Does anyone know where they are? thanks Rance Velapoldi (Norway)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40300	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 5/13/2006
Subject: Flyer Fest West, 5/20/2006, 10:00 am

Reminder from the Calendar of S-Trains Flyer Fest West Saturday May 20, 2006 10:00 am - 8:00 pm This event does not repeat. Event Location: Marriot Hotel, Fremont Ca Street: 46100 Landing Parkway City, State, Zip: Fremont, Ca, 94538 Map Phone: 1-510-413-3700 Notes: 7th annual FFW meet. Table sales, clinics, train races, & dinner on Saturday. Sunday is planned as a free day or you can go on layout tour. ADVERTISEMENT Copyright ©  2006  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved. Privacy Policy - Terms of Service

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40301	From: Phil K	Date: 5/13/2006
Subject: Re: AM4-8-4

Well, I can speak to the whereabouts of one hi-rail Burlington FEF. It is sitting on my layout right now, and I love it. Phil K --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Velapoldi <velapoldi@...> wrote: > > Hi all: > I have read either that AM is in the midst of sending all the high rail > 4-8-4's out, or that they have sent all of them out (a few months ago). > Does anyone know where they are? > thanks > Rance Velapoldi (Norway) >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40302	From: joan dienst	Date: 5/13/2006
Subject: Gilbert H O question

Hi Everyone, I just attended an auction where I purchased three Gilbert HO trains. One was a #433 .. 0-6-0 switcher, one a #443 Hudson, and the third was a Hudson which was repainted and had no number. When I opened up the tender instead of a smoke unit there was a small Gilbert type E-unit with four wires going to the engine.. The engine does not have white Gilbert type sidewalls, instead in has black nylon with metal rims.. Did Gilbert make an A.C. version of the Hudson ?.. if so what number?..and what year it was produced? Thank you for your help Mike.. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40303	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 5/13/2006
Subject: Correction!!

I am sorry to mislead anyone on my calling those poles on the WMD RT telephone poles, as I have been corrected by a good friend, that they should be called Utility poles! LOL And he is probably right. Ralph is in the TCA but not on these list and a good friend. So, to be politically correct, telephone poles will be for now on in my book, utility poles! I am sure you will not lose any sleep over this revelation. Mike Marmer Mike, How do you know the Telephone Poles were for Telephone only. The proper name is Utility Poles. I guess the next name will be CATV (cable tv) Poles. When a Lineman hears a Pole ID as a Telephone Pole it causes trauma. That's like someone from the food service field hearing someone calling a Paper Plate Fine China. Thanks for the pictures. Ralph [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40304	From: Roy Inman	Date: 5/13/2006
Subject: Re: AM4-8-4

I received my ATSF Northern from Doug Peck about three weeks ago. Vance, maybe yours was shipped via slow boat from the USA. My shipments always takes longer, even though I am located in Lenexa, KS USA because the last remnant of the Pony Express (the REAL one, not the UP version) is all that will deliver to these parts... Hope yours arrives soon :) Roy Inman ww.unionstationphotos.com > From: Phil K <waldootten@...> > Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 14:49:21 +0000 > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: AM4-8-4 > > Well, I can speak to the whereabouts of one hi-rail Burlington FEF. It > is sitting on my layout right now, and I love it. > > Phil K > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Velapoldi <velapoldi@...> wrote: >> >> Hi all: >> I have read either that AM is in the midst of sending all the high > rail >> 4-8-4's out, or that they have sent all of them out (a few months > ago). >> Does anyone know where they are? >> thanks >> Rance Velapoldi (Norway) >> > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40305	From: Roy Inman	Date: 5/13/2006
Subject: Re: AM4-8-4

Sorry, mia culpa:( I should have typed Rance. Roy > From: Roy Inman <rinphoto@...> > Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 11:51:47 -0500 > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: AM4-8-4 > > I received my ATSF Northern from Doug Peck about three weeks ago. > Vance,

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40306	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 5/13/2006
Subject: Western MD Rail Trail

http://s-scale.org/albums/v/friends/marmer/ The other day, I sent a email out for some photos I took of the WMD RT, that were on a different yahoo group. I did not know that you could not access the photos unless you were member, until Rick and Rance wrote me. Rick wanted to see so bad, that he joined the group! O:)! Rick told me to down load them here, as I told I did not want to take up space, geared for model trains. But he said, it is okay. I want to show you the photos, because it will show you what can be done with a abandon rail line for recreational use. This line came out of Baltimore to Hancock, through WVA, crossing the Potomac River 6 times then to Cumberland, MD and on to Pittsburgh or WVA. The trail that is open now, paved, starts in Big Pool,MD to Hancock, (10 miles) then ends in the middle of no where 12 miles away. The trail goes through allot mountain rock cuts and rocks still fall, as a picture will show you. The trail has been damage many times by rocks! Lots of old RR relics, still on the trail. You can really see how a train would be on this line, when you see the pictures. The RR line, is parallel to the C&O Canal and the Potomac River. The Canal is wonderful too, as there lots of lift locks, lock houses, structures like old stores, dams, and is 184.5 miles long from Georgetown, DC to Cumberland. Total distance open, 22.5 miles one way. The most scenic part is above Hancock, as between Hancock and Big Pool, is along I-70, but it has 6 trestles. No mountains. The rail trail will have an additional 4.5 miles open by 2008. It will go through the Indigo Tunnel, which is over a mile long. It will have solar lighting. The trail will end at the Potomac River, as people in WVA are fighting this trail for many reason. The trail will only be in WVA for 6 miles, as it will cross over 6 long, high trestles and two more tunnels. Hopefully, things will be worked out, as it will really help the economy. I will have to get pictures from the canal of the cement that I show from top of the RT. Just amazing. Anyway, we ride here every weekend and I am glad I inspired Rick to get his bike out with his daughter. We average 13 mph on Mountain bikes and it takes time to build up. Biking is wonderful. Mike Marmer Germantown, MD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40307	From: FEZANDPAZ@aol.com	Date: 5/13/2006
Subject: Re: AM4-8-4

Can one of you guys who purchased the 4-8-4 w/sound tell me if it is supposed to have electronic chugging similar to Lionel, and K-Line engines? I have the bell and whistle buttons which work but the only chugging sound is similar to Gilbert choo-choo. I am disappointed with this engine! It is not in the same league as the three[ 2 ] 'O' gauge makers. I have grown to expect great sound and also to expect command control. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40308	From: FEZANDPAZ@aol.com	Date: 5/13/2006
Subject: Re: York Fairgrounds This Weekend

Harley-Davidson also packs the place each summer! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40309	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 5/13/2006
Subject: Sunday Chat, 5/14/2006, 8:00 pm

Reminder from the Calendar of S-Trains Sunday Chat Sunday May 14, 2006 8:00 pm - 11:00 pm This event repeats every week. The next reminder for this event will be sent in 23 hours, 4 minutes. Event Location: http://s-scale.org/forum/ Street: http://s-scale.org/forum/ Notes: http://s-scale.org/forum/ ADVERTISEMENT Copyright ©  2006  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved. Privacy Policy - Terms of Service

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40310	From: Phil K	Date: 5/13/2006
Subject: Re: AM 4-8-4

> Can one of you guys who purchased the 4-8-4 w/sound tell me if it is > supposed to have electronic chugging similar to Lionel, and K-Line > engines? I have the bell and whistle buttons which work but the only > chugging sound is similar to Gilbert choo-choo. I am disappointed > with this engine! It is not in the same league as the three[2] 'O' > gauge makers. I have grown to expect great sound and also to expect > command control. The AM FEF was never advertised as having digital chug sounds. It said it came with mechanical piston for the chug, with electronic bell and whistle optional. And TMCC is proprietary technology owned by Lionel and would have added maybe $125 to the price. You can look at Carl Tuveson's website (www.tuveson.com) for complete how-to info if you'd like to add TMCC. I thought that this all was pretty clearly pointed out by American Models in its literature and on its website. It was also discussed extensively on this board. Here's the AM marketing info: ********************** 4-8-4 Northern The largest 4-8-4 prototype ever built, Sante Fe's war time 2900's First time ever modeled in S scale, in development almost 3 years! 23 inches long - Die cast - Engine weight over 4 lbs - Total weight over 6 lbs DC versions with smoke & choo choo sound (Scale or Hi Rail) - $369.95 AC Flyer with smoke & choo choo sound (runs Flyer curve track) - $399.95 AC Flyer with smoke & choo choo sound, electronic whistle and bell - $449.95 FEATURES: Die cast boiler, frame, wheel centers, pilot, cab trucks, tender and trucks Metal wire details Headlight Powerful 5 pole motor Smoke (with on/off switch) Choo choo chug sound with 2 chug per revolution mechanical piston drive unit All 16 tender wheels are flanged and pick up electrical current. Fully compatible with AF 20" radius track. Limited production run. ************************** I got mine about a month ago from Doug Peck. For my opinion, I think the mechanical chug is pretty cool, and am not disappointed in this locomotive as it cost less than $400 (AC hirail w/sound). Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40311	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 5/13/2006
Subject: Re: Western MD Rail Trail

I guess we can rip out all of our RRs and build more trails for your pleasure. Thank you Larry Jackman ljack70117@... On May 13, 2006, at 12:02 PM, Michael and Linda Marmer wrote: > > http://s-scale.org/albums/v/friends/marmer/ > > The other day, I sent a email out for some photos I took of the WMD > RT, that were on a different yahoo group. I did not know that you > could not access the photos unless you were member, until Rick and > Rance wrote me. Rick wanted to see so bad, that he joined the > group! O:)! Rick told me to down load them here, as I told I did > not want to take up space, geared for model trains. But he said, > it is okay. > > I want to show you the photos, because it will show you what can be > done with a abandon rail line for recreational use. This line > came out of Baltimore to Hancock, through WVA, crossing the Potomac > River 6 times then to Cumberland, MD and on to Pittsburgh or WVA. > > The trail that is open now, paved, starts in Big Pool,MD to > Hancock, (10 miles) then ends in the middle of no where 12 miles > away. The trail goes through allot mountain rock cuts and rocks > still fall, as a picture will show you. The trail has been damage > many times by rocks! Lots of old RR relics, still on the trail. > You can really see how a train would be on this line, when you see > the pictures. The RR line, is parallel to the C&O Canal and the > Potomac River. The Canal is wonderful too, as there lots of lift > locks, lock houses, structures like old stores, dams, and is 184.5 > miles long from Georgetown, DC to Cumberland. Total distance open, > 22.5 miles one way. The most scenic part is above Hancock, as > between Hancock and Big Pool, is along I-70, but it has 6 > trestles. No mountains. > > The rail trail will have an additional 4.5 miles open by 2008. It > will go through the Indigo Tunnel, which is over a mile long. It > will have solar lighting. The trail will end at the Potomac River, > as people in WVA are fighting this trail for many reason. The > trail will only be in WVA for 6 miles, as it will cross over 6 > long, high trestles and two more tunnels. Hopefully, things will > be worked out, as it will really help the economy. > > I will have to get pictures from the canal of the cement that I > show from top of the RT. Just amazing. > > Anyway, we ride here every weekend and I am glad I inspired Rick to > get his bike out with his daughter. We average 13 mph on Mountain > bikes and it takes time to build up. Biking is wonderful. > > Mike Marmer > Germantown, MD > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40312	From: Roy Inman	Date: 5/13/2006
Subject: Re: Western MD Rail Trail

Actually, one of the original Rails to Trails programs, and the nation's longest at 225 miles, the Katy Trail, really is a pleasure for a train fan (AKA: train nut, like me). There is a old stone tunnel, blacked at the top from the MKT steamers of bygone days, an old truss bridge, the occasional 1:1 artifact like remnants of a switch, roadbed, etc. A train friend of mine used photos I shot of the bridge to scratch build one for his Sn3 layout. So, while the point that Larry makes is well taken to my way of thinking, the Katy Trail at least ain't all bad :) If we can't have trains on the right-of-way, at least we have a few reminders. Oh, the Katy Trail runs from Clinton, MO 80 miles east of Kansas City to St. Charles, MO, a St. Louis suburb. Bikers, hikers AND rail fans all welcome. For free. My fantasy when I win Powerball is to open a train shop, exclusively S, with operating layouts at trail side. Cheers :) Roy Inman Keeping his tracks down in Lenexa. www.unionstationphotos.com > From: ljack70117@... > Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 20:12:15 -0400 > To: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> > Cc: s-trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Western MD Rail Trail > > I guess we can rip out all of our RRs and build more trails for your > pleasure. > Thank you > Larry Jackman > ljack70117@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40313	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 5/13/2006
Subject: Re: Western MD Rail Trail

Mike..... I often run the old RR line going down into Utah....... Even with several feet of packed snow.... You can still feel those darn ties...... Best to run about 45 mph..... smoother on a snowmobile..... Bob

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40314	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 5/13/2006
Subject: LIONEL ALTON SET

Has anybody else heard anything on the Alton sets....... A friend on mine here in Jacksonville had ordered one..... The local Lionel dealer told him he had better try to get one somewhere else as they all had been oversold and only the Big Dealers would get there supplys......so???? Bob PS..... CHUCK...... Survived 2 trips on the Mission To Mars today..... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40315	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 5/13/2006
Subject: Re: AM 4-8-4

Phil The American Models F-E-F Northern is one big beautiful engine, but I agree with you that the very soft chuff chuff does nothing to enhance a great operating and looking engine. Consider as I am having S n S putting in a locomatic control and sound system! Jerry M Phil K <waldootten@...> wrote: > Can one of you guys who purchased the 4-8-4 w/sound tell me if it is > supposed to have electronic chugging similar to Lionel, and K-Line > engines? I have the bell and whistle buttons which work but the only > chugging sound is similar to Gilbert choo-choo. I am disappointed > with this engine! It is not in the same league as the three[2] 'O' > gauge makers. I have grown to expect great sound and also to expect > command control. The AM FEF was never advertised as having digital chug sounds. It said it came with mechanical piston for the chug, with electronic bell and whistle optional. And TMCC is proprietary technology owned by Lionel and would have added maybe $125 to the price. You can look at Carl Tuveson's website (www.tuveson.com) for complete how-to info if you'd like to add TMCC. I thought that this all was pretty clearly pointed out by American Models in its literature and on its website. It was also discussed extensively on this board. Here's the AM marketing info: ********************** 4-8-4 Northern The largest 4-8-4 prototype ever built, Sante Fe's war time 2900's First time ever modeled in S scale, in development almost 3 years! 23 inches long - Die cast - Engine weight over 4 lbs - Total weight over 6 lbs DC versions with smoke & choo choo sound (Scale or Hi Rail) - $369.95 AC Flyer with smoke & choo choo sound (runs Flyer curve track) - $399.95 AC Flyer with smoke & choo choo sound, electronic whistle and bell - $449.95 FEATURES: Die cast boiler, frame, wheel centers, pilot, cab trucks, tender and trucks Metal wire details Headlight Powerful 5 pole motor Smoke (with on/off switch) Choo choo chug sound with 2 chug per revolution mechanical piston drive unit All 16 tender wheels are flanged and pick up electrical current. Fully compatible with AF 20" radius track. Limited production run. ************************** I got mine about a month ago from Doug Peck. For my opinion, I think the mechanical chug is pretty cool, and am not disappointed in this locomotive as it cost less than $400 (AC hirail w/sound). Phil K S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums Yahoo! Groups Links Jerry Matsick RESPOND TO Mtoytrain@... Jacksonville, Florida TCA 04-57715 NASG --------------------------------- Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40317	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 5/14/2006
Subject: Sunday Chat, 5/14/2006, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 40318	From: jayhoo64	Date: 5/14/2006
Subject: AM Chugger

Phil K wrote: >I think the mechanical chug is pretty cool I finally had a chance to see and hear one of these locos in action at a local meet a couple weeks ago. I agree with Phil, the mech chug is VERY cool! And, the volume level it puts out is what I'd turn a digital chugger down to, if I had control of the ones I've been forced to endure at the hands of 0-gaugers. Can't STAND digital chug, or diesel noise. I'm very glad AM steamers have this old-skool type of chugger. WTG,RB! Chuck F.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40319	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 5/14/2006
Subject: Re: AM 4-8-4

> > I got mine about a month ago from Doug Peck. For my opinion, I think the mechanical chug is pretty cool, and am not disappointed in this > locomotive as it cost less than $400 (AC hirail w/sound). > > Phil K > Phil, I also am pleased with the mechanical sound. The electronic ones sometimes are overwhelming. But that's just my opinion. I gues it just shows to go ya that we are indeed S gaugers. You just won't make everyone happy. $10 rolling stock with details to rival brass offerings? $50 locomotives with DCC-TMCC-Locomotic compatible electronics and available in any paint scheme ever devised? Modular building systems like DPH but in S? How about the variety and availabliity of everything like in HO? Guys, even the HOers are always happy. We now have more in S than ever before, and I for one am darn glad about it! Hope to see most (or all) of you at the Convention! Jerry Poniatowski Registrar, 2006 NASG Convention

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40320	From: Bill Clark	Date: 5/14/2006
Subject: SHS Internet Specials

There are two new Internet Specials posted on the SHS website: Internet Special #1 Buy an SW-1 and get an EVC Caboose of your choice free. http://www.showcaseline.com/indexInternetSpecial.html Internet Special #2 Mix and match any 4 Offset Hoppers for $100. http://www.showcaseline.com/indexInternetSpecial2.html These will run through May 29, or until stock runs out. Thanks! Bill

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40321	From: Gerald Dobbs	Date: 5/14/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 3052

From: "joan dienst" mike-joan41428@... Date: Sat May 13, 2006 8:02am(PDT) Subject: Gilbert H O question Hi Everyone, I just attended an auction where I purchased three Gilbert HO trains. One was a #433 .. 0-6-0 switcher, one a #443 Hudson, and the third was a Hudson which was repainted and had no number. When I opened up the tender instead of a smoke unit there was a small Gilbert type E-unit with four wires going to the engine.. The engine does not have white Gilbert type sidewalls, instead in has black nylon with metal rims.. Did Gilbert make an A.C. version of the Hudson ?.. if so what number?..and what year it was produced? Thank you for your help MIKE This Hudson was manufactured in 1938, and was designed to run on 14 volts alternating current. Catalog number ( 200 ) NYC, red window with a silver or white " 5318 " under the window. It should have bakelite wheels. Jerry 77-11644

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40322	From: faltrain5	Date: 5/14/2006
Subject: Any ideas for what to make?

I have some extra wood and can't find out what to make for my trains or train set. So I have come to you guys to do some thinking or experiences you have already built dealing with trains. Thanks. -Geoffrey

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40323	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 5/14/2006
Subject: Photo Gallery Restored

Hello All, I have finally restored my photo gallery. I was able to find most of the photos and only lost a few. I'll be adding more as I make progress on my layout and various projects. Please take a look at: http://s-scale.org/albums/v/friends/bull+gator/ I have layout construction, rolling stock kits, building kits, operating cars, AF repairs and lots of other good stuff - with lots more to add. If you have any questions or comments, please drop me an email. Also check out all the other photo galleries from your fine S- friends! BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40324	From: David Cooke	Date: 5/14/2006
Subject: Can the persom who bought my Freight cars and SW 9 contact me

Can the persom who bought my Freight cars and SW 9 contact me I have had a computer crash and I have lost your e-mail address.I have received the parts for the SW 9 David Cooke.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40325	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 5/14/2006
Subject: Re: Western MD Rail Trail

Larry, I am not sure what you meant by your nice email, as I am not sure if you were serious or joking with me. But I will tell you that this line was abandon by some RR, maybe the US Government, that own this line in 1971 due to lack of commerce. So no RR traffic was loss for my pleasure and I do get allot of pleasure on this rail trail. And that pleasure is great exercise, which is lacking in today's world. And yes, current rail lines are needed for freight traffic, as one freight train eliminates almost 300 tractor trailers off the road. Okay, now I upset any truckers who have to make a living. Like all rail trails in the US, they were established by the Rail Trail Act by the US Congress to PRESERVE ABANDON RAIL LINES for the purpose of FUTURE COMMUTER USE, if needed someday, while letting these abandon lines to be used for recreational purposes. Someday, this will be a commuter line, high speed, from Cumberland to Washington, DC. Bet you did not know that. And someday, this line will be needed again, as people move further and further west away from Washington, DC but still work there. So, these lines are being preserve for future rail use. And the rail trail use for ME, as you write,will be side by side the commuter train someday. May not be in our lifetime, but it is going to happen. And I belong to a organization that helps preserve these lines all over the country, www.railstotrails.org Also, if these lines where not being used for what I use them today for or for future rail use, they would be lost for ever to overgrown vegetation. So at least people like you and me, can get out and see some of greatness of these lines. Also, this line has six wonderful RR trestles high above the Potomac River, not in use, now, that will be saved from being lost for ever, when the line goes on to Cumberland, MD. How is that effected any current line use? I can show you pictures of what the line looks in overgrown vegetation. Really sad and horrible, as the beauty of my pictures I posted could be lost forever. So, maybe next time you write, get a little more information. I wish you well, Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: <ljack70117@...> To: "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> Cc: <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2006 8:12 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Western MD Rail Trail >I guess we can rip out all of our RRs and build more trails for your > pleasure. > Thank you > Larry Jackman > ljack70117@... > > > > On May 13, 2006, at 12:02 PM, Michael and Linda Marmer wrote: > >> >> http://s-scale.org/albums/v/friends/marmer/ >> >> The other day, I sent a email out for some photos I took of the WMD >> RT, that were on a different yahoo group. I did not know that you >> could not access the photos unless you were member, until Rick and >> Rance wrote me. Rick wanted to see so bad, that he joined the >> group! O:)! Rick told me to down load them here, as I told I did >> not want to take up space, geared for model trains. But he said, >> it is okay. >> >> I want to show you the photos, because it will show you what can be >> done with a abandon rail line for recreational use. This line >> came out of Baltimore to Hancock, through WVA, crossing the Potomac >> River 6 times then to Cumberland, MD and on to Pittsburgh or WVA. >> >> The trail that is open now, paved, starts in Big Pool,MD to >> Hancock, (10 miles) then ends in the middle of no where 12 miles >> away. The trail goes through allot mountain rock cuts and rocks >> still fall, as a picture will show you. The trail has been damage >> many times by rocks! Lots of old RR relics, still on the trail. >> You can really see how a train would be on this line, when you see >> the pictures. The RR line, is parallel to the C&O Canal and the >> Potomac River. The Canal is wonderful too, as there lots of lift >> locks, lock houses, structures like old stores, dams, and is 184.5 >> miles long from Georgetown, DC to Cumberland. Total distance open, >> 22.5 miles one way. The most scenic part is above Hancock, as >> between Hancock and Big Pool, is along I-70, but it has 6 >> trestles. No mountains. >> >> The rail trail will have an additional 4.5 miles open by 2008. It >> will go through the Indigo Tunnel, which is over a mile long. It >> will have solar lighting. The trail will end at the Potomac River, >> as people in WVA are fighting this trail for many reason. The >> trail will only be in WVA for 6 miles, as it will cross over 6 >> long, high trestles and two more tunnels. Hopefully, things will >> be worked out, as it will really help the economy. >> >> I will have to get pictures from the canal of the cement that I >> show from top of the RT. Just amazing. >> >> Anyway, we ride here every weekend and I am glad I inspired Rick to >> get his bike out with his daughter. We average 13 mph on Mountain >> bikes and it takes time to build up. Biking is wonderful. >> >> Mike Marmer >> Germantown, MD >> >> >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> >> >> >> >> S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com >> All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! >> >> Enjoy thousands of great photos >> at http://S-Scale.org/albums >> Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40326	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 5/14/2006
Subject: Re: Western MD Rail Trail

Yes there is one of these lines in Missouri that they are trying to put the RR back on it and are being challenged in court by some yahoos trying to prevent. In Seattle Wa there was a line that was built by taking land from the people who owned it. When it was abandoned these people tried to get it back. Guess what. They were told to get lost and they made a trail out of it. Thank you Larry Jackman ljack70117@... On May 14, 2006, at 1:21 PM, Michael and Linda Marmer wrote: > Larry, > > I am not sure what you meant by your nice email, as I am not sure > if you were serious or joking with me. > > But I will tell you that this line was abandon by some RR, maybe > the US Government, that own this line in 1971 due to lack of > commerce. So no RR traffic was loss for my pleasure and I do get > allot of pleasure on this rail trail. And that pleasure is great > exercise, which is lacking in today's world. And yes, current rail > lines are needed for freight traffic, as one freight train > eliminates almost 300 tractor trailers off the road. Okay, now I > upset any truckers who have to make a living. > > Like all rail trails in the US, they were established by the Rail > Trail Act by the US Congress to PRESERVE ABANDON RAIL LINES for the > purpose of FUTURE COMMUTER USE, if needed someday, while letting > these abandon lines to be used for recreational purposes. Someday, > this will be a commuter line, high speed, from Cumberland to > Washington, DC. Bet you did not know that. And someday, this > line will be needed again, as people move further and further west > away from Washington, DC but still work there. > > So, these lines are being preserve for future rail use. And the > rail trail use for ME, as you write,will be side by side the > commuter train someday. May not be in our lifetime, but it is going > to happen. > > And I belong to a organization that helps preserve these lines all > over the country, www.railstotrails.org > > Also, if these lines where not being used for what I use them today > for or for future rail use, they would be lost for ever to > overgrown vegetation. So at least people like you and me, can get > out and see some of greatness of these lines. > > Also, this line has six wonderful RR trestles high above the > Potomac River, not in use, now, that will be saved from being lost > for ever, when the line goes on to Cumberland, MD. How is that > effected any current line use? > > I can show you pictures of what the line looks in overgrown > vegetation. Really sad and horrible, as the beauty of my pictures I > posted could be lost forever. > > So, maybe next time you write, get a little more information. > > I wish you well, > > Mike Marmer > ----- Original Message ----- From: <ljack70117@...> > To: "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> > Cc: <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2006 8:12 PM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Western MD Rail Trail > > >> I guess we can rip out all of our RRs and build more trails for your >> pleasure. >> Thank you >> Larry Jackman >> ljack70117@... >> >> >> >> On May 13, 2006, at 12:02 PM, Michael and Linda Marmer wrote: >> >>> >>> http://s-scale.org/albums/v/friends/marmer/ >>> >>> The other day, I sent a email out for some photos I took of the WMD >>> RT, that were on a different yahoo group. I did not know that you >>> could not access the photos unless you were member, until Rick and >>> Rance wrote me. Rick wanted to see so bad, that he joined the >>> group! O:)! Rick told me to down load them here, as I told I did >>> not want to take up space, geared for model trains. But he said, >>> it is okay. >>> >>> I want to show you the photos, because it will show you what can be >>> done with a abandon rail line for recreational use. This line >>> came out of Baltimore to Hancock, through WVA, crossing the Potomac >>> River 6 times then to Cumberland, MD and on to Pittsburgh or WVA. >>> >>> The trail that is open now, paved, starts in Big Pool,MD to >>> Hancock, (10 miles) then ends in the middle of no where 12 miles >>> away. The trail goes through allot mountain rock cuts and rocks >>> still fall, as a picture will show you. The trail has been damage >>> many times by rocks! Lots of old RR relics, still on the trail. >>> You can really see how a train would be on this line, when you see >>> the pictures. The RR line, is parallel to the C&O Canal and the >>> Potomac River. The Canal is wonderful too, as there lots of lift >>> locks, lock houses, structures like old stores, dams, and is 184.5 >>> miles long from Georgetown, DC to Cumberland. Total distance open, >>> 22.5 miles one way. The most scenic part is above Hancock, as >>> between Hancock and Big Pool, is along I-70, but it has 6 >>> trestles. No mountains. >>> >>> The rail trail will have an additional 4.5 miles open by 2008. It >>> will go through the Indigo Tunnel, which is over a mile long. It >>> will have solar lighting. The trail will end at the Potomac River, >>> as people in WVA are fighting this trail for many reason. The >>> trail will only be in WVA for 6 miles, as it will cross over 6 >>> long, high trestles and two more tunnels. Hopefully, things will >>> be worked out, as it will really help the economy. >>> >>> I will have to get pictures from the canal of the cement that I >>> show from top of the RT. Just amazing. >>> >>> Anyway, we ride here every weekend and I am glad I inspired Rick to >>> get his bike out with his daughter. We average 13 mph on Mountain >>> bikes and it takes time to build up. Biking is wonderful. >>> >>> Mike Marmer >>> Germantown, MD >>> >>> >>> >>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com >>> All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! >>> >>> Enjoy thousands of great photos >>> at http://S-Scale.org/albums >>> Yahoo! Groups Links >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com >> All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! >> >> Enjoy thousands of great photos >> at http://S-Scale.org/albums >> Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> >> >> >>

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40327	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 5/14/2006
Subject: Re: Any ideas for what to make?

Try building a nice high chair to run your trains from :) Mike ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97,501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40328	From: Roy Inman	Date: 5/14/2006
Subject: Re: Any ideas for what to make?

Geoffrey; What kind of wood: balsa, bass, ply; strips, sheets, dowel? I gave some hardwood strips to a train buddy and he made some nifty billboards. I think he got the plans (which wouldn't be hard to draw on your own) online. He used some more strip wood I gave him for fences. All HO, but the principles remain the same. Happy building :) Roy Inman www.unionstationphotos.com > From: faltrain5 <faltrain5@...> > Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 21:22:40 +0000 > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] Any ideas for what to make? > > I have some extra wood and can't find out what to make for my > trains or train set. So I have come to you guys to do some thinking or > experiences you have already built dealing with trains. Thanks. > > > -Geoffrey > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40329	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 5/14/2006
Subject: Chat

Sorry, folks. It won't let me log on at all. Dick

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40330	From: Rick Evans	Date: 5/14/2006
Subject: Western MD Rail Trail

Larry Jackman wrote: "I guess we can rip out all of our RRs and build more trails for your pleasure." How did you come up with THAT larry?? Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40331	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 5/14/2006
Subject: Re: Western MD Rail Trail

By the way, back in October of 2003, my wife and I had the pleasure of bike riding with Jerry and Thelma Dobb's on the C&O Canal, as they rode a bit on their own in different parts of the trail. We hope to see the Dobb's again someday in the future. It was through this site, I was able to learn that Jerry likes to ride, when he mentioned that they take their bikes along, when they go to York. So I started to do some emails in private with Jerry. Turns out that Jerry always wanted to see the Canal, as he knew about it. Sadly, Jerry has told me his knees are now giving him trouble, but we had the greatest time with them for a couple of days. Sorry, if the trail email, is not toy train related, but I thought it might be interesting to a few, since it was train related overall. Sorry, if I took valuable time and space up in anyone's life with my emails on the trail. I did get quite a few emails in private on how they like seeing the pictures of the trail. At least my pictures where of real mountains and ulitily poles on a real train layout. Thought it might be a bit different, since most do not get out to see these abandon rail lines. Mike Marmer

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40332	From: nyc17819@aol.com	Date: 5/14/2006
Subject: Gilbert HO AC 4-6-4

Mike asked, "...Did Gilbert make an AC version of the Hudson ?" Yes. Right around the time A. C. Gilbert bought the American Flyer Co. in the late 1930s, Gilbert brought out both O and HO gauge 4-6-4s, both in AC. After the war, the HO engines were DC and the O gauge ones became S Gauge. They had always been scaled for S Scale, but had O Gauge running gear. So your 443 is probably a prewar Gilbert product. Chris Harding

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40333	From: Roy Inman	Date: 5/14/2006
Subject: Re: Western MD Rail Trail

What line in Missouri are you referring to Larry? I live in the KC area and am always interested in such stuff. I would like to investigate it further, but I don't recall hearing about it. Roy Inman www.unionstationphotos.com > From: ljack70117@... > Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 14:24:13 -0400 > To: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> > Cc: s-trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Western MD Rail Trail > > Yes there is one of these lines in Missouri that they are trying to > put the RR back on it and are being challenged in court by some > yahoos trying to prevent. In Seattle Wa there was a line that was > built by taking land from the people who owned it. When it was > abandoned these people tried to get it back. Guess what. They were > told to get lost and they made a trail out of it. > Thank you > Larry Jackman > ljack70117@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40334	From: Robert Graves	Date: 5/15/2006
Subject: Lots of progress at The Gilbert Gallery

Handcars, EP-5s, Geeps, New Havens, Heavyweights, ... lots of new pictures and more yet to upload! Many thanks to all who have contributed pictures. There is now a list of pictures needed to complete the Gallery. If you have any of those cars or engines, I'd sure appreciate your sending me pictures. Bob --------------------------------- Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40335	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 5/15/2006
Subject: Re: Group Discussion

I find that our group is most interesting and the subjects are as different as night and day, recent discussion has been "how should Lionel sell their trains" or "Bike Rail trails" no matter what the subject, if it isn't to your liking, there is that magic button called "delete", personally I try to ready each posting, but if it gets boring I am free to zap it and go on, being cordial and patient and kind are all part of being a good person. Jerry Matsick Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: By the way, back in October of 2003, my wife and I had the pleasure of bike riding with Jerry and Thelma Dobb's on the C&O Canal, as they rode a bit on their own in different parts of the trail. We hope to see the Dobb's again someday in the future. It was through this site, I was able to learn that Jerry likes to ride, when he mentioned that they take their bikes along, when they go to York. So I started to do some emails in private with Jerry. Turns out that Jerry always wanted to see the Canal, as he knew about it. Sadly, Jerry has told me his knees are now giving him trouble, but we had the greatest time with them for a couple of days. Sorry, if the trail email, is not toy train related, but I thought it might be interesting to a few, since it was train related overall. Sorry, if I took valuable time and space up in anyone's life with my emails on the trail. I did get quite a few emails in private on how they like seeing the pictures of the trail. At least my pictures where of real mountains and ulitily poles on a real train layout. Thought it might be a bit different, since most do not get out to see these abandon rail lines. Mike Marmer S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums Yahoo! Groups Links Jerry Matsick RESPOND TO Mtoytrain@... Jacksonville, Florida TCA 04-57715 NASG --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously low rates. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40336	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 5/15/2006
Subject: Re: Gilbert H O question

In a message dated 5/13/2006 11:02:37 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, mike-joan41428@... writes: Hi Everyone, I just attended an auction where I purchased three Gilbert HO trains. One was a #433 .. 0-6-0 switcher, one a #443 Hudson, and the third was a Hudson which was repainted and had no number. When I opened up the tender instead of a smoke unit there was a small Gilbert type E-unit with four wires going to the engine.. The engine does not have white Gilbert type sidewalls, instead in has black nylon with metal rims.. Did Gilbert make an A.C. version of the Hudson ?.. if so what number?..and what year it was produced? Thank you for your help Mike.. Mike, This engine was made in 1940-41. The factory produced Hudsons in AC from 1938-41. The 1938-39 engine had solid bakelite drivers, and the 1940-41 engines had bakelite drivers with brass rims. The engine number should have been 5318. Gilbert sold build a loco and car kits in which you painted, assembled, and decaled, which might be what you have here. Regards, Fred [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40337	From: Gerald Dobbs	Date: 5/15/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 3053

Rails to trails: I have met several of our S-trains yahoo list members travailing throughout the country. A good use for retirement, visiting train collectors, viewing their layouts, train shows all around the country. Best of all meeting a group of nice people that I have been in contact with over the years on the computer. People like Mike and Linda Mamer, 1800 miles to the east, A tremendous amount of tunnels and bridges in between, most in good condition, good shooting with a camera. Bike riding the trails gives you a good idea what the builders of railroads had to deal when building thru the wilderness. Detailing a model railroad becomes more understandable when you see actual cuts and fills, trestles,tunnels and grade crossings, etc etc. It's gets you out of the basement once in a while for some exercise. Rocky Mountain TCA is hosting the 2007 national convention in June, lots of tours, lots of trains, hope to meet some of you. Jerry 77-11644

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40338	From: Velapoldi	Date: 5/15/2006
Subject: Re: AM4-8-4 PS:

Hi all: Just spoke to my son on skype. He checked with his wife, and they do have my 4-8-4 in their basement awaiting our next visit (in July or August). Looking forward to seeing and operating the engine. Thanks to all for comments. Rance Velapoldi (Norway)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40339	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 5/15/2006
Subject: Re: Lots of progress at The Gilbert Gallery

Bob, What is your website. I would like to see your pictures and see what pictures you are in need of. Thanks, Mike Marmer

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40340	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 5/15/2006
Subject: Re: Gilbert H O question

FRED....... Don't forget you can tell the 38 from the 39 by the loco windows....... 1938 has 1 vertical bar....... 1939... both vertical and HORIZONTAL bars..... Bob C ----- Original Message ----- From: <fredstrainparts@...> To: <mike-joan41428@...> Cc: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 12:15 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Gilbert H O question > > In a message dated 5/13/2006 11:02:37 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > mike-joan41428@... writes: > > Hi Everyone, > > I just attended an auction where I purchased three Gilbert HO trains. > One > was a #433 .. 0-6-0 switcher, one a #443 Hudson, and the third was a > Hudson > which was repainted and had no number. When I opened up the tender > instead > of a smoke unit there was a small Gilbert type E-unit with four wires > going > to the engine.. The engine does not have white Gilbert type sidewalls, > instead in has black nylon with metal rims.. Did Gilbert make an A.C. > version of > the Hudson ?.. if so what number?..and what year it was produced? > Thank you for your help > > Mike.. > > > > Mike, > > This engine was made in 1940-41. The factory produced Hudsons in AC from > 1938-41. The 1938-39 engine had solid bakelite drivers, and the 1940-41 > engines had bakelite drivers with brass rims. The engine number should > have been > 5318. Gilbert sold build a loco and car kits in which you painted, > assembled, > and decaled, which might be what you have here. > > Regards, > Fred > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40341	From: Alan Evans	Date: 5/15/2006
Subject: Calling for Hi Rail Modules in 2007

List members: The 2007 S Spree (Friday & Saturday, March 30 and 31) in Columbus, Ohio, hosted by the Central Ohio S Gaugers, has a 7,000 square foot LAYOUT ROOM, and we are asking individuals and/or clubs to bring modules. NASG Mod specs (hi rail AND scale) are 4, 6 or 8 ft long by 18, 24, or 30" width. Track centers are 2-3/4", with 2"cut back on each module edge for 4" bridge rails. If interested, please contact me off list for any additional info you might need. Looking to make this a BIG MODULAR EVENT, so please contact as soon as possible. There might even be some INTERIM SHOW possibilities if a good response is received! Alan Evans Central Ohio S Gaugers 2007 S Spree Module Coordinator [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40342	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 5/15/2006
Subject: Where trains USED to be sold

Okay, on the TTML (TCA Moderated List) list, there has been lots of discussion on where (Lionel) trains should be sold. So, now, I will turn it around, as I have in front of me a American Flyer Authorized Service Station listing for the US. There is no date on this, but Alaska and Hawaii are not mention. Either this list is before 1959 or these states did not have service stations. I will say, that the address for AF in CT has no zip code, just the zone, that remember pre-dated zip codes. So, many of you will remember places like these, but I thought it would be neat to list some of the non hobby Shoppe's that sold trains, pre-chains, of course. Also, they write about that you might need the help of the American Flyer Service Man. Not politically correct today. LOL How many of these places are now out of business? Alabama Mobile Baldwin's Bicycle Shoppe Foster's Appliance Repairs Arizona Tucson Townsend's Radio and Electric Arkansas Little Rock Parsel's California Colonel Bob's (?) Los Angeles Toys for Men (I wont even go what that could be today!)Oakland Hickory Dickory Dollar (Pre-dated all the dollar stores of today?} San Carlos Another Toys for Men! San Francisco (Must of been a chain, the first chain of anything!) CT Bridgeport Benco Appliance Center Blaner's Electronic Shoppe Middletown That is for Amato's which is now Hobby Surplus in New Britain. New Britain The Beacon Store Waterbury Harry's Super Store District of Columbia Tele-Rad Company Florida Frank Whipple's (Maybe the original Mr. Whipple) Jerry Matsick, is he long gone, as it was at 2817 Main St. Miami Orange Blossom Tampa The Pioneer Tire Co. Tampa Photo Supply Georgia Decatur Clark Equipment Co Illinois Chicago Art's Cycle Shop Mid-States Auto Electric Pilot Paint Urbana Durst Cycle Shop Winnetka The Fix-It Shop of Winnetka Indiana Fort Wayne Koehlinger's Highland Ted, the Toy Train Technician (I thought this is interesting) South Bend Frick Radio and Electric Grose's Bike Shop Maine (YEA!) Hub Cycle and Radio Co of Maine Maryland (Yea!) Baltimore French's Inc. Sporting Goods Funk's Variety Store Massachusetts Boston (Yea!) Flint Equipment Co Electrical Appliance Resale Co Michigan Ann Arbor Whizzer Motor Sales (Car dealer?) Detroit Columbia Radio Downtown Train and Camera Lansing Vanderboort Hardware Co Minnesota St. Paul Empire Clock Co Missouri Brandt Electric Co Lionel Radio Service (Someone named Lionel?or a train Shoppe?) Springfield East Radio Service New Hampshire Concord French's Radio Shop Laconia Laconia Hardware New Jersey Bayonne Jo-Art Juvenile Furniture Flemington Decker's Radio Service Hoboken Beacon Auto Supply Nutley Woolward Appliance Center Passaic Grand Auto Supply Union City Rassner Sporting Goods Washington Washington Sporting Goods Woodbury B.B. Morris Tire Co New York Amsterdam The Radio Workshop Brooklyn Alandes Electric Co "The Cabin" That is how it is listed. I have no idea if it WAS more than a hobby store. Fix-All Appliance Shop Glenwood Hardware and Paint Mercury Model Airplane Rothbard Hardware Co Corning Baker's Sporting Goods Farmingdale Udel's Furniture Co Hudson Town Fair Amittyvile, L.I. Tager Auto Stores Bay Shore, L.I. Tager Auto Stores Flushing, L.I. Pleasure Mart, Inc. (wont touch this one either in today's world) Huntington, L.I. Huntington Sport Shop Laurelton, L.I. Lumin's Hardware and Paint Ling Island City Center Radio and Hardware Ozone Park, L.I. Aqueduct Bicycle Shop New York City Approved Appliance Co Phil's Radio Service Rochester (There you go, Joseph Lechner!) Kanzler Electric Co 180 Normandy Ave. North Carolina Rocky Mount Bob's radio Service Ohio Canton Canton Hardware Company The Eclipse Electric Company Cincinnati Golden Rule Electric, Inc. Original Tire Co Toledo Luelf Hardware, Inc. Washington Budd Radio & Sound Service Zanesville, Home of Scott's Lawn Products! No it does not say that! Thomas Electric Co Oregon Eugene, home of the Oregon Ducks! Does not say that either. Brighter Home Service Portland Morrison Electric Service Pennsylvania Bryn Mawr Farman's Jolly Roger Shop Charleroi Ace Auto Shop Indiana Markle's Sporting Goods Glenside Keswick Cycle Co Kingston Kingston Radio and Card Co New Castle Menken's Specialty Shop Philadelphia, original home of Gordon Wilson, I believe D&S Hardware and Electronics Fleck's TV and Appliance Hill Cycle Shop Nicholas Smith, still in business! Pittsburgh, original home of Jerry Matsick and a few others on this list! Bill Trappen. Brentwood Electric Ferry Electric Service Co Pottstown Uptown Sports Shop West Pittston Embleton's Electric Co South Carolina Charleston Wm. S. Anderson Electric Co Greenville Delany's Sporting Goods Tennessee Nashville Austin Electric Shop Texas Houston C.R. Stone Electric Co Vermont Rutland Wilson Sports & Equipment Virginia Alexandria Fagelson Hardware Wisconsin Milwaukee (Milwaukee Brave's days!) Brown Electric Supply Garman Radio and Hobby Canada Winnipeg, Manitoba Sherbrooke hardware Ottawa Earl Gray (I think that is a tea too) Toronto W.J. Redman or Radio Maintenance & Repair (that is how it is listed) Montreal, Quebec Economic Electric, Co., Reg'd Gavin Electric Co Nova Scotia (Listed in bold separate from Canada. I thought Nova Scotia is part of Canada! O:)!) Halifax Popular Specialties, Reg'd. The end, of the usual listings, as of course, most listings, which I did list, where train, toy or hobby Shoppe's. It would be interesting to see how of all these Shoppe's are still in business, as I am sure the percentage is low. I did see a listing of Nassau Hobby on Long Island, which I think is still in business. To those who might remember any of these places, great, as I see at the end of the listing this form is from 1952, 54 years ago. And it does say printed in the U.S.A. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40343	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 5/15/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 3053

Jerry, Even Linda pointed out to me, that seeing this or any other rail trail, she can picture how the RR looked on this line. And it did give a better understanding on how the rail line was like, seeing all this. Down in WVA there is a rail trail, that in 1880 or so, a chunk of rock fell on the tracks and they never bother to pull the rock off. They closed the line. Line was losing money then. Today, the rock is still there with the track still underneath the rock. The wood has rotten away in time, but the steel track coming out of the rock, will be there forever. And yes, I have a picture of this! LOL Mike Marmer

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40344	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 5/15/2006
Subject: Re: Where trains USED to be sold

Michael Ace - Charleroi Pa - Closed - used to shop there all the time Jerry Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: Okay, on the TTML (TCA Moderated List) list, there has been lots of discussion on where (Lionel) trains should be sold. So, now, I will turn it around, as I have in front of me a American Flyer Authorized Service Station listing for the US. There is no date on this, but Alaska and Hawaii are not mention. Either this list is before 1959 or these states did not have service stations. I will say, that the address for AF in CT has no zip code, just the zone, that remember pre-dated zip codes. So, many of you will remember places like these, but I thought it would be neat to list some of the non hobby Shoppe's that sold trains, pre-chains, of course. Also, they write about that you might need the help of the American Flyer Service Man. Not politically correct today. LOL How many of these places are now out of business? Alabama Mobile Baldwin's Bicycle Shoppe Foster's Appliance Repairs Arizona Tucson Townsend's Radio and Electric Arkansas Little Rock Parsel's California Colonel Bob's (?) Los Angeles Toys for Men (I wont even go what that could be today!)Oakland Hickory Dickory Dollar (Pre-dated all the dollar stores of today?} San Carlos Another Toys for Men! San Francisco (Must of been a chain, the first chain of anything!) CT Bridgeport Benco Appliance Center Blaner's Electronic Shoppe Middletown That is for Amato's which is now Hobby Surplus in New Britain. New Britain The Beacon Store Waterbury Harry's Super Store District of Columbia Tele-Rad Company Florida Frank Whipple's (Maybe the original Mr. Whipple) Jerry Matsick, is he long gone, as it was at 2817 Main St. Miami Orange Blossom Tampa The Pioneer Tire Co. Tampa Photo Supply Georgia Decatur Clark Equipment Co Illinois Chicago Art's Cycle Shop Mid-States Auto Electric Pilot Paint Urbana Durst Cycle Shop Winnetka The Fix-It Shop of Winnetka Indiana Fort Wayne Koehlinger's Highland Ted, the Toy Train Technician (I thought this is interesting) South Bend Frick Radio and Electric Grose's Bike Shop Maine (YEA!) Hub Cycle and Radio Co of Maine Maryland (Yea!) Baltimore French's Inc. Sporting Goods Funk's Variety Store Massachusetts Boston (Yea!) Flint Equipment Co Electrical Appliance Resale Co Michigan Ann Arbor Whizzer Motor Sales (Car dealer?) Detroit Columbia Radio Downtown Train and Camera Lansing Vanderboort Hardware Co Minnesota St. Paul Empire Clock Co Missouri Brandt Electric Co Lionel Radio Service (Someone named Lionel?or a train Shoppe?) Springfield East Radio Service New Hampshire Concord French's Radio Shop Laconia Laconia Hardware New Jersey Bayonne Jo-Art Juvenile Furniture Flemington Decker's Radio Service Hoboken Beacon Auto Supply Nutley Woolward Appliance Center Passaic Grand Auto Supply Union City Rassner Sporting Goods Washington Washington Sporting Goods Woodbury B.B. Morris Tire Co New York Amsterdam The Radio Workshop Brooklyn Alandes Electric Co "The Cabin" That is how it is listed. I have no idea if it WAS more than a hobby store. Fix-All Appliance Shop Glenwood Hardware and Paint Mercury Model Airplane Rothbard Hardware Co Corning Baker's Sporting Goods Farmingdale Udel's Furniture Co Hudson Town Fair Amittyvile, L.I. Tager Auto Stores Bay Shore, L.I. Tager Auto Stores Flushing, L.I. Pleasure Mart, Inc. (wont touch this one either in today's world) Huntington, L.I. Huntington Sport Shop Laurelton, L.I. Lumin's Hardware and Paint Ling Island City Center Radio and Hardware Ozone Park, L.I. Aqueduct Bicycle Shop New York City Approved Appliance Co Phil's Radio Service Rochester (There you go, Joseph Lechner!) Kanzler Electric Co 180 Normandy Ave. North Carolina Rocky Mount Bob's radio Service Ohio Canton Canton Hardware Company The Eclipse Electric Company Cincinnati Golden Rule Electric, Inc. Original Tire Co Toledo Luelf Hardware, Inc. Washington Budd Radio & Sound Service Zanesville, Home of Scott's Lawn Products! No it does not say that! Thomas Electric Co Oregon Eugene, home of the Oregon Ducks! Does not say that either. Brighter Home Service Portland Morrison Electric Service Pennsylvania Bryn Mawr Farman's Jolly Roger Shop Charleroi Ace Auto Shop Indiana Markle's Sporting Goods Glenside Keswick Cycle Co Kingston Kingston Radio and Card Co New Castle Menken's Specialty Shop Philadelphia, original home of Gordon Wilson, I believe D&S Hardware and Electronics Fleck's TV and Appliance Hill Cycle Shop Nicholas Smith, still in business! Pittsburgh, original home of Jerry Matsick and a few others on this list! Bill Trappen. Brentwood Electric Ferry Electric Service Co Pottstown Uptown Sports Shop West Pittston Embleton's Electric Co South Carolina Charleston Wm. S. Anderson Electric Co Greenville Delany's Sporting Goods Tennessee Nashville Austin Electric Shop Texas Houston C.R. Stone Electric Co Vermont Rutland Wilson Sports & Equipment Virginia Alexandria Fagelson Hardware Wisconsin Milwaukee (Milwaukee Brave's days!) Brown Electric Supply Garman Radio and Hobby Canada Winnipeg, Manitoba Sherbrooke hardware Ottawa Earl Gray (I think that is a tea too) Toronto W.J. Redman or Radio Maintenance & Repair (that is how it is listed) Montreal, Quebec Economic Electric, Co., Reg'd Gavin Electric Co Nova Scotia (Listed in bold separate from Canada. I thought Nova Scotia is part of Canada! O:)!) Halifax Popular Specialties, Reg'd. The end, of the usual listings, as of course, most listings, which I did list, where train, toy or hobby Shoppe's. It would be interesting to see how of all these Shoppe's are still in business, as I am sure the percentage is low. I did see a listing of Nassau Hobby on Long Island, which I think is still in business. To those who might remember any of these places, great, as I see at the end of the listing this form is from 1952, 54 years ago. And it does say printed in the U.S.A. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums Yahoo! Groups Links Jerry Matsick RESPOND TO Mtoytrain@... Jacksonville, Florida TCA 04-57715 NASG --------------------------------- How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger’s low PC-to-Phone call rates. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40345	From: keefer1	Date: 5/15/2006
Subject: Re: Where trains USED to be sold

Washington Sporting Goods , Washington NJ , Later was Coopers Sporting Goods, I still have several mint pieces with their tag on it. It changed hands once more before I left in 1976.All the trains were gone by then. --- Jerry Matsick <jpmatsick@...> wrote: > Michael > > Ace - Charleroi Pa - Closed - used to shop there > all the time > > Jerry > > Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > Okay, on the TTML (TCA Moderated List) list, there > has been lots of discussion on where (Lionel) trains > should be sold. > > So, now, I will turn it around, as I have in front > of me a American Flyer Authorized Service Station > listing for the US. There is no date on this, but > Alaska and Hawaii are not mention. Either this list > is before 1959 or these states did not have service > stations. I will say, that the address for AF in CT > has no zip code, just the zone, that remember > pre-dated zip codes. > > So, many of you will remember places like these, but > I thought it would be neat to list some of the non > hobby Shoppe's that sold trains, pre-chains, of > course. > > Also, they write about that you might need the help > of the American Flyer Service Man. Not politically > correct today. LOL > > How many of these places are now out of business? > > Alabama > Mobile > Baldwin's Bicycle Shoppe > Foster's Appliance Repairs > Arizona > Tucson > Townsend's Radio and Electric > Arkansas > Little Rock > Parsel's > California > Colonel Bob's (?) > Los Angeles > Toys for Men (I wont even go what that could be > today!)Oakland > Hickory Dickory Dollar (Pre-dated all the dollar > stores of today?} > San Carlos > Another Toys for Men! San Francisco (Must of been a > chain, the first chain of anything!) > CT > Bridgeport > Benco Appliance Center > Blaner's Electronic Shoppe > Middletown > That is for Amato's which is now Hobby Surplus in > New Britain. > New Britain > The Beacon Store > Waterbury > Harry's Super Store > District of Columbia > Tele-Rad Company > Florida > Frank Whipple's (Maybe the original Mr. Whipple) > Jerry Matsick, is he long gone, as it was at 2817 > Main St. > Miami > Orange Blossom > Tampa > The Pioneer Tire Co. > Tampa Photo Supply > Georgia > Decatur > Clark Equipment Co > Illinois > Chicago > Art's Cycle Shop > Mid-States Auto Electric > Pilot Paint > Urbana > Durst Cycle Shop > Winnetka > The Fix-It Shop of Winnetka > Indiana > Fort Wayne > Koehlinger's > Highland > Ted, the Toy Train Technician (I thought this is > interesting) > South Bend > Frick Radio and Electric > Grose's Bike Shop > Maine (YEA!) > Hub Cycle and Radio Co of Maine > Maryland (Yea!) > Baltimore > French's Inc. Sporting Goods > Funk's Variety Store > Massachusetts > Boston (Yea!) > Flint Equipment Co > Electrical Appliance Resale Co > Michigan > Ann Arbor > Whizzer Motor Sales (Car dealer?) > Detroit > Columbia Radio > Downtown Train and Camera > Lansing > Vanderboort Hardware Co > Minnesota > St. Paul > Empire Clock Co > Missouri > Brandt Electric Co > Lionel Radio Service (Someone named Lionel?or a > train Shoppe?) > Springfield > East Radio Service > New Hampshire > Concord > French's Radio Shop > Laconia > Laconia Hardware > New Jersey > Bayonne > Jo-Art Juvenile Furniture > Flemington > Decker's Radio Service > Hoboken > Beacon Auto Supply > Nutley > Woolward Appliance Center > Passaic > Grand Auto Supply > Union City > Rassner Sporting Goods > Washington > Washington Sporting Goods > Woodbury > B.B. Morris Tire Co > New York > Amsterdam > The Radio Workshop > Brooklyn > Alandes Electric Co > "The Cabin" That is how it is listed. I have no idea > if it WAS more than a hobby store. > Fix-All Appliance Shop > Glenwood Hardware and Paint > Mercury Model Airplane > Rothbard Hardware Co > Corning > Baker's Sporting Goods > Farmingdale > Udel's Furniture Co > Hudson > Town Fair > Amittyvile, L.I. > Tager Auto Stores > Bay Shore, L.I. > Tager Auto Stores > Flushing, L.I. > Pleasure Mart, Inc. (wont touch this one either in > today's world) > Huntington, L.I. > Huntington Sport Shop > Laurelton, L.I. > Lumin's Hardware and Paint > Ling Island City > Center Radio and Hardware > Ozone Park, L.I. > Aqueduct Bicycle Shop > New York City > Approved Appliance Co > Phil's Radio Service > Rochester (There you go, Joseph Lechner!) > Kanzler Electric Co 180 Normandy Ave. > North Carolina > Rocky Mount > Bob's radio Service > Ohio > Canton > Canton Hardware Company > The Eclipse Electric Company > Cincinnati > Golden Rule Electric, Inc. > Original Tire Co > Toledo > Luelf Hardware, Inc. > Washington > Budd Radio & Sound Service > Zanesville, Home of Scott's Lawn Products! No it > does not say that! > Thomas Electric Co > Oregon > Eugene, home of the Oregon Ducks! Does not say that > either. > === message truncated === __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40346	From: therealfez2000	Date: 5/15/2006
Subject: Keswick Cycle Shop & Whizzer

The Keswick Cycle shop in Glenside,Pa. is still in business and the exterior looks much the same as it did in the late 50's. They sold Electric trains mostly around Christmas and Schwinn bikes! This part of Glenside still has a postwar feel to it. There is also a nicely restored theatre right around the corner that gets some big entertainment for a small crowd! I think the "Keswick Theatre" was built in the '20's. You could make an evening of the area.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40347	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 5/15/2006
Subject: Nova Scotia

My favorite Canadian in the TCA, Ken Keki, set me straight about the history of Nova Scotia. Nova Scotia did not become a Province of Canada, until 1949. So, probably, A.C. was not current on current events, and did not update on his computer,(LOL) his factory authorized service listing as maybe that was a listing from pre-1949, as S was started in 1946. I think A.C. upset the government of Canada, that lead to the down turn of things for the A.C. Gilbert Co. JUST KIDDING! Probably did not matter. We are lucky that the two countries did not go to war over this major error on his part. Oh, and Ken did sent me a nice milk bottle a few years ago for my milk bottle collection! Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40348	From: Ed	Date: 5/15/2006
Subject: Re: Where trains USED to be sold

This Saturday at Flyer Fest West , Choo Choo Hutchinson has signed up to attend. For those who received the S Gaugian a number of years ago, you will recall the advertisements for American Flyer that were provided by him. A great time to meet the gentleman who provided us with all that information. I also understand that Jay, from Lionel, is planning on attending. See you all soon. Friday evening is the No Host get together at the bar/lobby, off to the right of the entrance. Ed Eckert FFW co asst, chair Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: Okay, on the TTML (TCA Moderated List) list, there has been lots of discussion on where (Lionel) trains should be sold. So, now, I will turn it around, as I have in front of me a American Flyer Authorized Service Station listing for the US. There is no date on this, but Alaska and Hawaii are not mention. Either this list is before 1959 or these states did not have service stations. I will say, that the address for AF in CT. Has no zip code just the zone, that remember pre-dated zip codes. So, many of you will remember places like these, but I thought it would be neat to list some of the non hobby Shoppe's that sold trains, pre-chains of course. Also, they write about that you might need the help of the American Flyer Service Man. Not politically correct today. LOL How many of these places are now out of business? Snip...snip... _________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40349	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 5/15/2006
Subject: Email to bull gator the last few days

Hi All, If you have sent email to my Yahoo account during the last week or so, I did not get it. For some reason Yahoo has been putting all emails from this group in my BULK folder. I normally empty my BULK folder because it gets over 200 junk emails a day. I just happened to take a quick look at that folder today and found a couple of emails from members of this group. If you did email me, please resend your message and I will start looking at my BULK folder before automatically emptying it. BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40350	From: Joseph Haughney	Date: 5/15/2006
Subject: Re: Keswick Cycle Shop & Whizzer

Memories: I remember it well when I was a kid, lived in Abington and parents would take me to Glenside to a movie and we would look at trains at the Keswick Cycle shop. Remembered that it was a bike shop but not the name. Thanks, Joe Haughney -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of therealfez2000 Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 7:47 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Keswick Cycle Shop & Whizzer The Keswick Cycle shop in Glenside,Pa. is still in business and the exterior looks much the same as it did in the late 50's. They sold Electric trains mostly around Christmas and Schwinn bikes! This part of Glenside still has a postwar feel to it. There is also a nicely restored theatre right around the corner that gets some big entertainment for a small crowd! I think the "Keswick Theatre" was built in the '20's. You could make an evening of the area. S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40351	From: Robert Graves	Date: 5/15/2006
Subject: Re: Lots of progress at The Gilbert Gallery

Rather significant oversight, I'd say. Sorry, Mike et al! http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/trains.html Bob Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: Bob, What is your website. I would like to see your pictures and see what pictures you are in need of. Thanks, Mike Marmer S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously low rates. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40352	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 5/15/2006
Subject: AF Service

Detroit, Mich. Downtown Train & Camera They were still there when I moved in 1988, but sadly are gone now. jfred --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously low rates. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40353	From: winchester54947	Date: 5/16/2006
Subject: Re: RailTrail

>>Like all rail trails in the US, they were established by the Rail Trail Act by the US Congress to PRESERVE ABANDON RAIL LINES for the purpose of FUTURE COMMUTER USE, if needed someday, while letting these abandon lines to be used for recreational purposes. I Haul 9000G HazMat and I can tell you with much frustration that here in the upper Midwest most of the RR right of way that are now rec trails still have the RR crossings posted and although the rails have been ripped on either side I still have to signal, stop, look/listen for trains. Infrequently used tracks and spurs can be exempted, but the CN won't give up ctossings right of way as they probably would never get it back. While I might be rear-ended, the only consolation is that I am mostly certain that I won't miss that freight in my blind spots. The S layout doesn't have that problem, no rec trails allowed.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40354	From: geep39	Date: 5/16/2006
Subject: Keswick Cycle Shop--Me Too!

Yep! I remember the Keswick Cycle Shop. We lived in Roslyn and shopped at the grocery store across the street. My dad would "wander" over there with us around Christmas time when the trains were displayed in the window. I remember two things about the place: I remember when my dad snickering at the Bachmann signal tower painted up and assembled by Gilbert, with a "Cedar Hill Junction" sign in the window at quite a bit higher price than the "real" one. Also, in one of the few times we were in there, I remember the rubber smell from the bike tires, and the stacks of orange and blue Lionel boxes stacked high on a shelf above the display cases. Somehow, my dad swapped one of the two Lionel gondolas we had for a Sunoco tank car. Sorry, other than the signal tower, I don't remember much Flyer there, since WE had Lionel trains at the time, and thought Flyer was INFERIOR! On another note, the Keswick Theater had at least two fires in it over the years. I do remember seeing Disney's "The Great Locomotive Chase" there, among other Disney movies.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40355	From: Roy Plotnick	Date: 5/16/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 3054

> Chicago > Art's Cycle Shop > Mid-States Auto Electric > Pilot Paint > Pilot is still there! - Roy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40356	From: RCESpeak	Date: 5/16/2006
Subject: Re: Keswick Cycle Shop & Whizzer

I remember it also. We grew up in Plymouth Meeting and went to the dentist in Glenside (wish it had been the movies instead of the dentist). But I could only look in the window. It was not high on my parents list to satisfy my request to go look at trains. It was tough being a girl who loved trains and trains were only a Christmas thing back then, anyway. One of the nice things about becoming an adult was being able to play with trains to my hearts desire. Please note I referred to the aging process as "becoming an adult" not growing up. I'll never grow up!!!! ........... Barb Joseph Haughney wrote: >Memories: > >I remember it well when I was a kid, lived in Abington and parents would >take me to Glenside to a movie and we would look at trains at the Keswick >Cycle shop. Remembered that it was a bike shop but not the name. Thanks, > >Joe Haughney > >-----Original Message----- >From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf >Of therealfez2000 >Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 7:47 PM >To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [S-Trains] Keswick Cycle Shop & Whizzer > >The Keswick Cycle shop in Glenside,Pa. is still in business and the >exterior looks much the same as it did in the late 50's. They sold >Electric trains mostly around Christmas and Schwinn bikes! This part of >Glenside still has a postwar feel to it. There is also a nicely >restored theatre right around the corner that gets some big >entertainment for a small crowd! I think the "Keswick Theatre" was >built in the '20's. You could make an evening of the area. > > > > > > > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >Enjoy thousands of great photos >at http://S-Scale.org/albums >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >Enjoy thousands of great photos >at http://S-Scale.org/albums >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40357	From: geep39	Date: 5/16/2006
Subject: Where Trains Used To Be Sold --Philadelphia

There were two great places in Philly where Lionel and Flyer were sold, those being Becker Hardware, and Nicholas Smith on 11th St. near Reading Terminal. Becker was a rather tidy place, with all kinds of shelves and drawers, and the Flyer was on a stepped rack up on the one wall. All you usually had to do was ask for something, and they'd go in the back and get it. I remember getting a 961 chrome coach to match what I had already. You couldn't find too many of those around at the time. Then, down the street was Nicholas Smith. They had a large display window, with trains of all types on shelves, and a lot of Flyer, too. I remember seeing a 21720 and accompanying blue and yellow 5- digit dummy "A" unit sitting there in the window. Anyway, inside, the place was quite a clutter, with all kinds of boxes stacked up on overhead shelves. If your eyes were sharp, you could check out the AF boxes for just about anything you wanted. Old Nicholas Smith was a bit of a character, too. He answered the phone in his German accent: "SMEET hobby!" There was also a lot of Marklin, Lionel, and who-knows-what-else there. I also remember that you wouldn't get much in the way of a bargain from the old guy. He ripped me off for $30 for the 21720 and blue and yellow dummy A unit! (yep, I still have them!) There was also another outfit around the corner on Arch St. called Miller's. In the early/mid 60's, they advertised a lot in the Sunday paper about their American Flyer stuff that was supposed to be at great discounts. Anybody ever get there?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40358	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 5/16/2006
Subject: WHERE TRAINS WERE SOLD

I N 1950 I used to stand in the Snow at night ( stores closed at 6:00), It was safe then, and just wonder at the Toys and Trains in the Store windows, The Diamond dept store, Woodrums furniture store and a few others...... And Thier TOYLAND DISPLAYS INSIDE !!!!!! . Other places there in Charleston, W Va were JACKS PLACE, and Western Auto..... Firestone had some too...... Most Hobby stores carried very little AF or Lionel..... This past Christmas I got in Late that night..... I drove around..... Some of the old windows are still there....... but now they are office buildings, etc........ Kinda sad...... its a good time long gone..... Bob C [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40359	From: Velapoldi	Date: 5/16/2006
Subject: e-mails

This is for Randy Johnson (and for anyone else who might have some useful ideas on how to solve this problem) I have been trying to send some e-mails to Randy Johnson with diagrams on hooking up turnouts, but his server has been "blocking them for abuse". So Randy, if you are out there, please tell your postmaster at your server to allow me (velapoldi@...) to send you e-mails. Or send me an e-mail off-line and I will try to send you the information. regards Rance Velapoldi (Norway)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40360	From: jnr59@aol.com	Date: 5/16/2006
Subject: One more item for trade

TRADE: SHS U.P. Tofcee Trailer on flat car, std yellow and red colors, car # 15321 WANT: SHS B&O Tofcee Trailer on flat car [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40361	From: Bill Lane	Date: 5/16/2006
Subject: The Keystone Modeler

Hi All, As some on the S Scale list have pointed out, I do have an article in the just released May 2006 issue. If you are unfamiliar with the publication, it is an on line only monthly release about accurately modeling the PRR. It is endorsed by and produced by members of the Pennsylvania Railroad Technical & Historical Society. http://www.prrths.com Subscribing to The Keystone Modeler is FREE and you do NOT have to be a member of the PRR T&HS to receive it either. You will get emailed once a month announcing the new release. You can read it from the website or download it and save it. It is in PDF format only. You can get Adobe Acrobat reader for free here http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/readstep2.html if you don't have it already. You can subscribe here: http://www.prrths.com/Keystone%20Modeler/Keystone_Modeler.htm or mail to this link here: mailto:the-keystone-modeler-request@...-pubs.org?Subject=subscrib e Check it out. You will not be disappointed! There is also a similar publication produced by the B&O Historical Society here http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bomodeler Thank You, Bill Lane Modeling the Mighty Pennsy in S Scale in 1957 since 1988 See my finished models at: http://www.lanestrains.com Over 100 new photos recently added Importing a Brass S Scale PRR X29 & G26 http://www.pennsysmodels.com ALL of the production X29 have arrived as of 6-30-05 Replacement PRR decals arrived 10-5-05 The G26 & G26a is complete. PRR Builders Photos Bought, Sold & Traded (Trading is MUCH preferred) http://mywebpages.comcast.net/billlane/PRRphotos.xls ***Join the PRR T&HS*** The other members are not ALL like me! http://www.prrths.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40362	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 5/16/2006
Subject: Re: WHERE TRAINS WERE SOLD

In Cleveland we had The Hobby House (you may remember Cleveland Models and Leonard M. Blum of LMB Models) in downtown Cleveland, and Jaye and Jaye Hobby shop in East Cleveland. Both great places for S (and about everything else in trains). Alas, both are long gone. Dick Aurora, OH -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 10:36 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] WHERE TRAINS WERE SOLD I N 1950 I used to stand in the Snow at night ( stores closed at 6:00), It was safe then, and just wonder at the Toys and Trains in the Store windows, The Diamond dept store, Woodrums furniture store and a few others...... And Thier TOYLAND DISPLAYS INSIDE !!!!!! . Other places there in Charleston, W Va were JACKS PLACE, and Western Auto..... Firestone had some too...... Most Hobby stores carried very little AF or Lionel..... This past Christmas I got in Late that night..... I drove around..... Some of the old windows are still there....... but now they are office buildings, etc........ Kinda sad...... its a good time long gone..... Bob C [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40363	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 5/16/2006
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] Where Trains Used To Be Sold --Philadelphia

In a message dated 5/16/2006 1:13:28 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, schwartzsj@... writes: There was also another outfit around the corner on Arch St. called Miller's. In the early/mid 60's, they advertised a lot in the Sunday paper about their American Flyer stuff that was supposed to be at great discounts. Anybody ever get there? Steve, I made the trip with my father to Miller's one December (as well as Smith's and Becker's) during the pikemaster era of Gilbert production. They had a huge display of flyer there, loaded up with Klondike, Mohawk,Eagle,Smokey Mountain sets, as well as piles of loose cars, 24222, 24076, 24329, 24578, 24575, 24965, 25060, 25515, 25058, 25062, 24574, 24561, 24743, 25059. Accessories galore also. We were looking for a 944 crane and a 948 track cleaning car. I was mesmerized by the volume of product that they had on hand, falling in love with all of it. Once my father discovered that all of the rolling stock had pikemaster trucks, he stated, "well, we aren't going home with any of this cheap junk!" Hill Cycle shop in Germantown had piles of the same merchandise. No 944 or 948 for Christmas. Smith's and Becker's prices were too high for my fathers liking. He did come thru on about March with the crane and TC car, a 25515 and a 24743, along with a half dozen different Gilbert HO sets from someone who was closing out Gilbert in the Chester area. Christmas in March was better than the one in December. Fred [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40364	From: John Foley	Date: 5/16/2006
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Memory help-S accessories

Hi Roy Dallee has one at http://www.dallee.com/strobe_lighting.htm John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roy Inman" <rinphoto@...> To: "S-Scale" <S-Scale@yahoogroups.com>; "S-trains" <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 13:58 Subject: {S-Scale List} Memory help-S accessories > Hi all; > Cannot remember nor find information on a company that makes a few lighting > accessories in S. Among the products was a nifty ETD or FREDDIE device. I > thought for sure I had made note of it, but apparently not. > Anyone recall? > Cheers :) > Roy Inman > www.unionstationphotos.com > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40365	From: Roy Inman	Date: 5/16/2006
Subject: Memory help-S accessories

Hi all; Cannot remember nor find information on a company that makes a few lighting accessories in S. Among the products was a nifty ETD or FREDDIE device. I thought for sure I had made note of it, but apparently not. Anyone recall? Cheers :) Roy Inman www.unionstationphotos.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40366	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 5/16/2006
Subject: WAY OFF TOPIC......WAY OFF

Gals and guys...... I know this list is strictly for "s" trains.... But from time to time we go off on a Tangent.... Bike Trails, Flying, Snowmobiling, old memories, ( like now ) real trains, ( Look for my post mid JUNE ! ! ! )happy times, etc...... But I have come to look at this list from another view...... One heck of a large group of CLOSE FRIENDS....... So many of us have met, visited, traded, etc. I remember when I lost my wife the outpouring of feelings, and THANK YOU BARB for coming up, helped so much........ I really feel if any of us had a problem..... almost all would do what they could to help..... and yes Dick..... ask your partner what kind of trouble I will get into without a Medical...... THANKS 2 ALL 4 ALL THE GOOD WORDS.......Bob C [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40367	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 5/16/2006
Subject: Emailing: www.railcatsbaseball.com

http://www.railcatsbaseball.com/ As a fan of minor baseball (and rail trails), I came across this team in the Northern League run by Mike Veeck, of the Veeck family fame. I never thought I would see a team of any sort in any sport with something to do with the railroads being part of the their logo, as a cat is using a rail from a railroad as a bat. That would make a great T Shirt to get. LOL GO RAIL CATS! Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40368	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 5/16/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 3054

Roy, That is great, but do they still sell trains? Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roy Plotnick" <plotnick@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 9:48 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 3054 > >> Chicago >> Art's Cycle Shop >> Mid-States Auto Electric >> Pilot Paint >> > Pilot is still there! - Roy > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40369	From: jnr59@aol.com	Date: 5/16/2006
Subject: SHS freight cars for trade, need SHS B&O freight cars and caboose i

Group Please respond directly to me if you have an interest in any of the following trades. All my cars have VERY LITTLE track time and are in excellent condition with original boxes. Thanks, Jack Riely Lake St. Louis, MO Member NASG TRADE: SHS, North Western Refrigerator Line Co, Reefer, car# NWX3186 WANT: SHS Fruit Growers Express, Reefer, any # TRADE: SHS Wabash black panel Hopper, car # WAB 34174 WANT: SHS B&O black Hopper of same style TRADE: Great Northern red bulkhead end flat car with Western Carrier S.P.F. load, car # 60403 WANT: SHS B&O Flat or other SHS B&O freight car TRADE: American Models U.P. yellow wooden sided caboose #18718 WANT: SHS B&O bay window caboose TRADE: SHS, Burlington grey Burlington (CB&Q) covered triple Hopper, WANT: SHS B&O Hopper TRADE: SHS, U.P. yellow and silver top livestock car #48216 WANT: SHS B&O Hopper car or other SHS B&O freight car TRADE: SHS, U.P. silver MOW braced side box car, #903643 WANT: SHS B&O Hopper car or other SHS B&O freight car [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40370	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 5/16/2006
Subject: TRAINS IN BASEBALL

Well now we have opened a new can of worms. http://www.readingphillies.com/ The Reading, PA Phillies baseball team is in Reading, PA and their Logo has a Reading train cresting over the "R". They have great entertainment at the games. A train picture often shows up on the scoreboard. Taking a ride on the Reading, Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> To: "Toy Trains" <toytrains@yahoogroups.com>; <s-trains@yahoogroups.com>; "Ralph Loveless" <ralcor888@...>; "Steve Conard" <steve.conard@...>; "Jeff Snell" <jsnell5990@...> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 1:30 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Emailing: www.railcatsbaseball.com > > http://www.railcatsbaseball.com/ > > As a fan of minor baseball (and rail trails), I came across this team in the Northern League run by Mike Veeck, of the Veeck family fame. > > I never thought I would see a team of any sort in any sport with something to do with the railroads being part of the their logo, as a cat is using a rail from a railroad as a bat. > > That would make a great T Shirt to get. LOL > > GO RAIL CATS! > > Mike Marmer > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40371	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 5/16/2006
Subject: My New Engine

Allot of you have been having a fun time on these list writing about your new engines with all the things they now do with sound. Especially those on the S list being real excited the past year with the introduction of a new S Steam engine by American Models, Lionel and S Helper. Well, I got my new engine today, well new to me anyway. It is from 1958 and it is the rarest of the S AF Hudson's, the 21129 (1800 in E) with the plastic tender. This engine came in the 20470 set, with the rare 24536 Monon Flat (1500 in E) and the 24519 PA Western Electric Flat (1250 in E). Values are from the TM book and only just for guide lines. I got this set as a kid in 1958 at age 3. But like most toys we played with things and the engine had seen it days of use. The engine fell off a table at one time and the cab has a slight bend in it. But not too noticeable. The two wires with the plug for the tender, have been replaced, as the original wires where thin and one was green and one was black. There is no mention of these colors in the Greenberg book, so I wonder how many know this. The tender was prone to damage, as the steps being broken off, as two steps are gone. Each missing step could de-value the item by $100 each. And the engine was at a repair shop TEN years from 1974 to 1984. Long story, that I wrote about once, but could repeat for any new comers. I think it is interesting, sad and funny story. I made the mistake as a kid and threw away the set box in the 1960's. I think a empty set box in real poor condition went on ebay once for $700 dollars. The set I had did not have the 5 digit flats, but leftover 3 digit flats, which I have found at York. I have only seen the Monon a few times on Ebay and never at York. This set retail for $79.95, which in 1958, a recession year, was probably two weeks pay or more. But I saw this engine at York and I already spent my budget on things I needed for some sets. This engine looked pretty good, as it has the usual box rubs on the boiler, touched up, which was fine. Original wires and ALL four steps intact and not re-glued. I saw this at Mike Farner's table, who I have known since 1992 and trust very much. It was 1550, but he would let me have it for 1400. He told me, he has only seen one with all the steps on it, as I can believe that. I told him I would think about. But I never got back to him. We got home and Linda and I looked at my 21129 and we both agreed that Mike's was far better than mine. So we decided to go ahead and get it, if Mike still had it. I knew Mike was going home to KY, so I called him Monday, no answer. So I called Tuesday and got Mike. He got my message and told me he left York Saturday at 10 A.M. and the engine was still there, as his Dad was watching the table now. But his Dad and Mom stayed behind to go to Reading, PA to shop! He said call back Thursday, when they get home. I called Friday and they still had the engine! So, I told him I would sent him a check plus postage. The engine came yesterday and it is a great 1958 original! And yes, the engine does have a light, smokes and has a speaker in the tender and it does all this the old fashion way! O:)! A happy camper with his NEW engine. LOL Maybe I will get a picture of it on the rail trail! JUST KIDDING! Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40372	From: Bill Adams	Date: 5/16/2006
Subject: A Belated Thanks!

I have a new internet server and with a slip of a few fingers, I somehow lost all of my saved E-mails before I had the opportunity to respond to those who helped me with my questions on the trestles and abutments. A belated thanks to all that responded. Bill Adams Rochester, NY

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40373	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 5/16/2006
Subject: Re: e-mails

Rance, The Randy Johnson who pitched a perfect game not too long ago? Just kidding. I hope you get in touch with the Randy you are looking for. I could not resist that being a baseball fan. Where is Tom Jarcho when I need him, as he was too. O:)! Mike Marmer

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40374	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 5/16/2006
Subject: Re: TRAINS IN BASEBALL

Sorry Glenn! LOL I have been to Reading for a game. Wonderful stadium, as you can see the many rail lines behind the outfield. And they have a terrible theme song! R R R R R Phillies! Goes on for ever! LOL Mike Marmer

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40375	From: FEZANDPAZ@aol.com	Date: 5/16/2006
Subject: Re: Keswick Cycle Shop--Me Too!

The Keswick movies was a great old movie house, I lived in Willow Grove and went there often. Last movie I saw as a movie house was American Graffiti. It is now a restored live theatre as it once was before it was converted to a movie house. You would be amazed at how big it is in its restored form .Many top name bands and comedy acts are booked for the next year plus. They have a web site if you're interested keswicktheatre.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40376	From: FEZANDPAZ@aol.com	Date: 5/16/2006
Subject: Re: Keswick Cycle Shop

Jenkintown Hobby is still in business under new management [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40377	From: Roy Inman	Date: 5/16/2006
Subject: Re: Where Trains Used To Be Sold --Philadelphia

I noticed that there were no shops listed from my neck of the woods, Kansas City, Missouri, nor the Kansas City in Kansas. But one of the strangest places I ever encountered toy trains, both Lionel and American Flyer, was a carpet store called Vandenbooms on Broadway in KCMO. Huge layout displayed in the very large store front window. Kept kids and parents occupied for hours, especially during the holidays, and I suspect that at certain times of the year, they may have sold more trains than carpet. Now I think on it, maybe it isn't too much of a stretch to associate toy trains with carpet...one can run on the other. Then there was the classic old Katz Drug Co. store, which sold nearly everything from soup to nuts to trains. Had a great soda fountain. And of course filled prescriptions. Firestone, Western Auto, Sears, Montgomery Wards, they all sold trains. As someone else pointed out, and as I also recall, hobby shops were places were one bought model airplanes, boats and the occasional wooden car kit. The really good shops, like ACE Hobby, sold ones that actually flew, floated or ran, and also ones that just sat on the shelf. My new motto: Lets just have fun with trains. Cheers :) Roy Inman www.unionstationphotos.com > From: fredstrainparts@... > Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 15:11:00 -0400 (EDT) > To: schwartzsj@... > Cc: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] Where Trains Used To Be Sold --Philadelphia > > > In a message dated 5/16/2006 1:13:28 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > schwartzsj@... writes: > > There was also another outfit around the corner on Arch St. called > Miller's. In the early/mid 60's, they advertised a lot in the Sunday > paper about their American Flyer stuff that was supposed to be at > great discounts. Anybody ever get there?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40378	From: Roy Inman	Date: 5/16/2006
Subject: Praise for the lists

In what I like to think of as my approaching golden years, I am more and more inclined to lavish praise on things that are really, really great and, well, genuinely good at heart. We are all perhaps too easily prone to heaping criticism on others, starting with me. Bearing all that in mind, I want to again thank everybody for the terrific resource these two S lists are. Holy cow Batman, it is literally like having a virtual encyclopedia at one's fingertips, and better. Because a hard copy encyclopedia, no matter how well researched and presented, is old news. Herein, we have two living, dynamic resources that are flexible, agile gems. And, unlike a brick and mortar library, for further example, we have access 24~7. Amazing. Thanks to you all for the recent suggestions and links to information that I requested. Cheers :) Roy Inman www.unionstationphotos.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40379	From: keefer1	Date: 5/16/2006
Subject: FOR SALE 740A HANDCAR

I have a nice 740A handcar with OB and both inserts.. Missing one lantern and lantern nib.Has hitch for tipple cars.Email if you want pictures. $100 including shipping and insurance. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40380	From: Phil K	Date: 5/16/2006
Subject: Re: Emailing: www.railcatsbaseball.com

> http://www.railcatsbaseball.com/ > > As a fan of minor baseball (and rail trails), I came across this team in the Northern League run by Mike Veeck, of the Veeck family fame. I never thought I would see a team of any sort in any sport with something to do with the railroads being part of the their logo, as a cat is using a rail from a railroad as a bat. > > That would make a great T Shirt to get. LOL > > GO RAIL CATS! > > Mike Marmer Mike Marmer -- The Railcats are from Gary, Indiana, which was a major steel- producing locale for most of the last 150 years. That's the tie-in (pun intended) -- because many railroad steel ribbons were pinched out at those mills on the south shore of Lake Michigan. Mike Veeck is the part owner of five minor league baseball teams, but not the Railcats. In the AA Northern League, he is owner of the St. Paul Saints. He also does some consulting work. I met Mike when as a reporter I covered the Chicago White Sox in the era when his dad, the Great Bill Veeck, owned that ballclub and saved it from oblivion. Many were the times we listened to Bill tell stories in Miller's Pub under the El tracks until dawn -- and we walked out wearing sunglasses, our faces hurting from laughing all night. I don't think I ever heard the same story twice. Like his famous dad, Mike is a "fan's owner" who believes baseball should be fun before it is a business and does everything possible to give fans a memorable experience. Too bad today's owners are so concerned about making as much money as possible, with little or no regard for the ticket-buying public. As an example of a typical Veeck promotion, in a game in 2002 between the visiting RailCats and his Saints, Mike gave away seat cushions bearing a likeness of MLB commissioner Bud "Bud Lite" Selig on one side and Players Association executive director Donald Fehr on the other. BTW, during the seventh-inning stretch an informal poll showed that about 90 percent of the fans using the cushions were sitting on Bud. Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40381	From: boblines51	Date: 5/17/2006
Subject: Where trains were sold

I remember when I was a kid that there were 2 places that sold American Flyer. There was Fry's Dept. store in Northumberland Pa.that sold trains that were displayed behind an wooden glass front counter.There was also Miller's Hardware in Sunbury Pa.which was next to one of the 2 movie theaters. As I recall they only had AF. These two towns are about 1 mile apart with a river between them. Great memories Bob Persing

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40382	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 5/17/2006
Subject: Re: Where Trains Used To Be Sold --Philadelphia

Roy, Again, this list was a service repair list and I am sure there where hobby shoppes in your area listed, as I was only listing non hobby shoppes, due to a thread on the TCA list, where trains should be sold today. In Kansas City, home of the Kansas City Athletics, for awhile and a NBA team at one time, I believe, was Siebels Brothers Model Co in Missouri. Kansas had no listings at all for KC. I guess, if you lived in KS, AF must of felt that Siebel Brothers was good enough for both states. I hope this helps. Mike Marmer

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40383	From: ruth.leahy@colorado.edu	Date: 5/17/2006
Subject: Golds Department Store

As a kid growing up in Southeast Nebraska, a trip to Lincoln was a big thing. We might go maybe once a month, if that, but it was an exciting one hour trip. My main interest was getting a parking place somewhere around the huge department store called Golds, so I could make a mad dash to the train department. As I recall, the train department there was on the third floor, and they always had a huge Christmas lay-out of American Flyer trains only. Boy, what a great place in the 1950s to see all those trains in person that were in the Flyer colorful catalogs. I took a paper route in 1953 just to save enough money to buy my first A.F. train set with a #302 engine. I could hardly wait for the next trip to Lincoln to buy my first set. It was a sad day when they sold out to Brandeis from Omaha in the latter 1960s (I think), and it was never the same. Mike Leahy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40384	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 5/17/2006
Subject: Re: Fwd: [S-Trains] Where Trains Used To Be Sold --Philadelphia

Thanks for jogging my memory. I too, remember those walks up 11th street to Beckers and Smiths. A fellow classmate at Shaw JR High in West Philly had a dream job on the weekends. He worked at Beckers as a stock clerk. My first visit to Millers was after he moved out Lancaster Ave near where I was working in the early 60's. I made some purchases from his huge stock of Flyer. South Jersey also had a great store when Satler's in Westmont sold AF and HO. Bill Satler wouldn't touch Lionel. When Pikemaster came, he got out of the AF business and sold off his pre-Pikemaster stock. I bought a large amount of cars that got to be collectors items for $1.50 each. Bill's died and his wife, Eleanor carried on and Satler's amazingly still exists and sells mostly HO and N, but has recently been selling a lot of SHS stuff. Ah, memories! Roy H.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40385	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 5/17/2006
Subject: Re: Keswick Cycle Shop--Me Too!

Looking at all the responses about the list I put on the sites, whether the shop was on my list or not, the ones you all added, with the memories, I think for someone in the train book writing business or Hobby writing business, these stories of memories collected through you all, as I have my memories too, would be a great book to have. And to think one Shoppe had my 21129 Hudson for ten years for repair! Went to college, got married, ten year time line, before I got it back. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenn Ritter" <gartrain@...> To: "BNASG/Barb Rudnick" <rcespeak@...>; "BNASG/Mike Marmer" <mlmarmer@...>; <FEZANDPAZ@...> Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 7:27 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Keswick Cycle Shop--Me Too! > Hi Jim, Barb & Mike, > > For a few more weeks I will be > living in Montgomery County, PA > and I used to go to the Ambler > Theater in the 70s when it was > operated by the former owner > of the Keswick Theater, Harry > Bristow, he was a character and > he had Christian movies at both. > I heard a lot about the Keswick > Theater but never was there. > http://www.keswicktheatre.com > > My wife and I are members of the > American Music Theater in Lancaster. > http://www.americanmusictheatre.com/ > They have two feature shows a year. > The Christmas show is a lot of > Christian music and some of the cast > and the owners we know are Christian. > The summer revue now running has > a lot of popular music. They also have > a lot of popular entertainers that we > rarely go to see. We will be living > closer to Lancaster in July and when > I retire in a couple of years hope > to usher or operate equipment at the > American Music Theater. > > I kept this off the list as it has nothing > to do with trains and some members > have complained to me when I > mention Christian themes. > > Glenn > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <FEZANDPAZ@...> > To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 8:48 PM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Keswick Cycle Shop--Me Too! > > >> The Keswick movies was a great old movie house, I lived in Willow Grove > and >> went there often. Last movie I saw as a movie house was American >> Graffiti. >> It is now a restored live theatre as it once was before it was converted > to a >> movie house. You would be amazed at how big it is in its restored form > .Many >> top name bands and comedy acts are booked for the next year plus. They > have a >> web site if you're interested http://www.keswicktheatre.com >> >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> >> >> >> >> S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com >> All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! >> >> Enjoy thousands of great photos >> at http://S-Scale.org/albums >> Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40386	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 5/17/2006
Subject: CLOSED FROG SWITCH

FOUND THIS ARTICLE..... THOUGHT SOME HAD ASKED ABOUT HOW TO DO THIS..... BOB http://www.trainweb.org/bristol-s-gauge/Projects/cfrogsw/cfroginfo.html [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40387	From: frank emiro	Date: 5/17/2006
Subject: Re: Where trains were sold

Just some more additions. In MT.Vernon,NY there was Telly's Electric on Gramatan Ave & Zephyr Model RR Hobbies on South 4th Ave. Some that I remember in the Bronx were Hoeing's Parkway on White Plains Road near Burke Ave. On the corner of Burke and W.P.Rd was a small shop that sold AF and L, not sure of the name. Then there was the train to Manhattan that opened the field to several train shops as well as The Hall of Science. boblines51 <bobville@...> wrote: I remember when I was a kid that there were 2 places that sold American Flyer. There was Fry's Dept. store in Northumberland Pa.that sold trains that were displayed behind an wooden glass front counter.There was also Miller's Hardware in Sunbury Pa.which was next to one of the 2 movie theaters. As I recall they only had AF. These two towns are about 1 mile apart with a river between them. Great memories Bob Persing S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger’s low PC-to-Phone call rates. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40388	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 5/17/2006
Subject: Re: Keswick Cycle Shop--Me Too!

Hi Bob & all, Now there is a project for a multi-millionaire with a lot of staff and spare time. Imagine researching old books and websites to find pictures from the 40s, 50s and 60s then getting articles and captions from this list and meshing them together. I could get an old picture of Sattler's Trains and Hobbies but that's about it. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: "ROBERT ALLEN CONNER" <rcon7@...> To: "Glenn Ritter" <gartrain@...>; "BNASG/Barb Rudnick" <rcespeak@...>; <FEZANDPAZ@...>; "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> Cc: "Toy Trains" <toytrains@yahoogroups.com>; <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 3:40 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Keswick Cycle Shop--Me Too! > MIKE...... I always hoped someone would do a book showing pictures of the > old storefront windows, inter toylands..... etc...... Bob > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> > To: "Glenn Ritter" <gartrain@...>; "BNASG/Barb Rudnick" > <rcespeak@...>; <FEZANDPAZ@...> > Cc: "Toy Trains" <toytrains@yahoogroups.com>; <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 8:12 AM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Keswick Cycle Shop--Me Too! > > > > Looking at all the responses about the list I put on the sites, whether > > the > > shop was on my list or not, the ones you all added, with the memories, I > > think for someone in the train book writing business or Hobby writing > > business, these stories of memories collected through you all, as I have > > my > > memories too, would be a great book to have. > > > > And to think one Shoppe had my 21129 Hudson for ten years for repair! > > Went > > to college, got married, ten year time line, before I got it back. > > > > Mike Marmer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Glenn Ritter" <gartrain@...> > > To: "BNASG/Barb Rudnick" <rcespeak@...>; "BNASG/Mike Marmer" > > <mlmarmer@...>; <FEZANDPAZ@...> > > Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 7:27 AM > > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Keswick Cycle Shop--Me Too! > > > > > >> Hi Jim, Barb & Mike, > >> > >> For a few more weeks I will be > >> living in Montgomery County, PA > >> and I used to go to the Ambler > >> Theater in the 70s when it was > >> operated by the former owner > >> of the Keswick Theater, Harry > >> Bristow, he was a character and > >> he had Christian movies at both. > >> I heard a lot about the Keswick > >> Theater but never was there. > >> http://www.keswicktheatre.com > >> > >> My wife and I are members of the > >> American Music Theater in Lancaster. > >> http://www.americanmusictheatre.com/ > >> They have two feature shows a year. > >> The Christmas show is a lot of > >> Christian music and some of the cast > >> and the owners we know are Christian. > >> The summer revue now running has > >> a lot of popular music. They also have > >> a lot of popular entertainers that we > >> rarely go to see. We will be living > >> closer to Lancaster in July and when > >> I retire in a couple of years hope > >> to usher or operate equipment at the > >> American Music Theater. > >> > >> I kept this off the list as it has nothing > >> to do with trains and some members > >> have complained to me when I > >> mention Christian themes. > >> > >> Glenn > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: <FEZANDPAZ@...> > >> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > >> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 8:48 PM > >> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Keswick Cycle Shop--Me Too! > >> > >> > >>> The Keswick movies was a great old movie house, I lived in Willow Grove > >> and > >>> went there often. Last movie I saw as a movie house was American > >>> Graffiti. > >>> It is now a restored live theatre as it once was before it was converted > >> to a > >>> movie house. You would be amazed at how big it is in its restored form > >> .Many > >>> top name bands and comedy acts are booked for the next year plus. They > >> have a > >>> web site if you're interested http://www.keswicktheatre.com > >>> > >>> > >>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > >>> All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >>> > >>> Enjoy thousands of great photos > >>> at http://S-Scale.org/albums > >>> Yahoo! Groups Links > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > > at http://S-Scale.org/albums > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40389	From: Robert Graves	Date: 5/17/2006
Subject: Re: Lots of progress at The Gilbert Gallery

Thank you - that's terrific! The best shot would be on the tracks on a layout to show its "natural habitat" but without too much in the background to take attention away from the car. Second best is on a plain surface like a tabletop with nothing else in the picture - dark surface for light-colored cars and light surface for dark-colored cars. Mostly, people will want to see the side of the car or engine, but a picture is more impressive and informative if you can see a bit of the top and the most interesting end as well. At least 800X600 dpi resolution; the bigger it is, the better resolution we get. And, of course, a jpg file is best. Bob Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: Thanks Bob, as I have several of the cars you are looking for. Any particular way you want photos, as I have a decent digital camera, but I am not a professional. Let me know. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Graves" To: "s-trains list" Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 12:28 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Lots of progress at The Gilbert Gallery > Rather significant oversight, I'd say. Sorry, Mike et al! > > http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/trains.html > > Bob > > > Michael and Linda Marmer wrote: > Bob, > > What is your website. > > I would like to see your pictures and see what pictures you are in need > of. > > Thanks, > > Mike Marmer > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously low rates. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > --------------------------------- Sneak preview the all-new Yahoo.com. It's not radically different. Just radically better. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40390	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 5/17/2006
Subject: Re: Keswick Cycle Shop--Me Too!

----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> To: "Glenn Ritter" <gartrain@...>; "BNASG/Barb Rudnick" <rcespeak@...>; <FEZANDPAZ@...> Cc: "Toy Trains" <toytrains@yahoogroups.com>; <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 8:12 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Keswick Cycle Shop--Me Too! > Looking at all the responses about the list I put on the sites, whether > the > shop was on my list or not, the ones you all added, with the memories, I > think for someone in the train book writing business or Hobby writing > business, these stories of memories collected through you all, as I have > my > memories too, would be a great book to have. > > And to think one Shoppe had my 21129 Hudson for ten years for repair! > Went > to college, got married, ten year time line, before I got it back. > > Mike Marmer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Glenn Ritter" <gartrain@...> > To: "BNASG/Barb Rudnick" <rcespeak@...>; "BNASG/Mike Marmer" > <mlmarmer@...>; <FEZANDPAZ@...> > Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 7:27 AM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Keswick Cycle Shop--Me Too! > > >> Hi Jim, Barb & Mike, >> >> For a few more weeks I will be >> living in Montgomery County, PA >> and I used to go to the Ambler >> Theater in the 70s when it was >> operated by the former owner >> of the Keswick Theater, Harry >> Bristow, he was a character and >> he had Christian movies at both. >> I heard a lot about the Keswick >> Theater but never was there. >> http://www.keswicktheatre.com >> >> My wife and I are members of the >> American Music Theater in Lancaster. >> http://www.americanmusictheatre.com/ >> They have two feature shows a year. >> The Christmas show is a lot of >> Christian music and some of the cast >> and the owners we know are Christian. >> The summer revue now running has >> a lot of popular music. They also have >> a lot of popular entertainers that we >> rarely go to see. We will be living >> closer to Lancaster in July and when >> I retire in a couple of years hope >> to usher or operate equipment at the >> American Music Theater. >> >> I kept this off the list as it has nothing >> to do with trains and some members >> have complained to me when I >> mention Christian themes. >> >> Glenn >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: <FEZANDPAZ@...> >> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> >> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 8:48 PM >> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Keswick Cycle Shop--Me Too! >> >> >>> The Keswick movies was a great old movie house, I lived in Willow Grove >> and >>> went there often. Last movie I saw as a movie house was American >>> Graffiti. >>> It is now a restored live theatre as it once was before it was converted >> to a >>> movie house. You would be amazed at how big it is in its restored form >> .Many >>> top name bands and comedy acts are booked for the next year plus. They >> have a >>> web site if you're interested http://www.keswicktheatre.com >>> >>> >>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com >>> All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! >>> >>> Enjoy thousands of great photos >>> at http://S-Scale.org/albums >>> Yahoo! Groups Links >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40391	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 5/17/2006
Subject: Re: WAY OFF TOPIC - NO - R. A. Conner!!!

Hey Gang - living here in the River City of Jacksonville one of the lucky things I get to do is to chat with Mr. Robert Allen Conner on the phone pretty often. Bob is a unique guy, super knowledge of Gilbert AF trains, and probably has a half dozen of everything A C Gilbert built. It is great to talk with a good buddy about trains all Gauges, All Manufacturers and just have a great chat, like Bob most of us loves our S gauge trains, loves our country, and loves the good Lord who blesses us each, day, and it is a BLESSING just to talk with Bob C. !!! Jerry Matsick Jacksonville ROBERT ALLEN CONNER <rcon7@...> wrote: Gals and guys...... I know this list is strictly for "s" trains.... But from time to time we go off on a Tangent.... Bike Trails, Flying, Snowmobiling, old memories, ( like now ) real trains, ( Look for my post mid JUNE ! ! ! )happy times, etc...... But I have come to look at this list from another view...... One heck of a large group of CLOSE FRIENDS....... So many of us have met, visited, traded, etc. I remember when I lost my wife the outpouring of feelings, and THANK YOU BARB for coming up, helped so much........ I really feel if any of us had a problem..... almost all would do what they could to help..... and yes Dick..... ask your partner what kind of trouble I will get into without a Medical...... THANKS 2 ALL 4 ALL THE GOOD WORDS.......Bob C [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums Yahoo! Groups Links Jerry Matsick RESPOND TO Mtoytrain@... Jacksonville, Florida TCA 04-57715 NASG --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously low rates. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40392	From: Roy Inman	Date: 5/17/2006
Subject: For Dick Karnes

Dick Karnes: Please contact me offline as you have a moment. I have a question about the Bascule bridge kit. And one other matter. Roy Inman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40393	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 5/17/2006
Subject: MEMORIES

I also remember Jacks place was the only AF place year round...... all the dept stores set up thier Christmas displays about 2 or 3 weeks before Christmas...... In 1961 and 62 the man I worked for would always go to the stores the day after Christmas and buy all his kids toys for the following year.....at half price....... Why wasn't I interested in trains then.... all my old ones were packed away...... still have them..... Bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40394	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 5/17/2006
Subject: Keswick Cycle Shop

Well, I can't believe the number of people on this list who have been to Keswick Cycle. I lived less than two miles (North Hills) from the place throughout the '50s &'60s. My 370 was converted to KC there. So, did we go to high school together-I remember parts of it, but unfortunately none of the names are familiar from that time. It is my understanding that they went out of business, however, it sounds like perhaps they reopened under new management. Jack's Hardware in Ardsley sold Flyer, I guess seasonably as did the big hardware store in Glenside-next to the old A&P. Strawbridge & Clothier, in Jenkintown, had a big 'toy land' during the season and sold Flyer. Anybody get to the GATSME RR club open houses? A yearly treat. Thanks for the memories, Tom Stoltz Abington '66 Tom's Turnouts & Trackwork Maine S Gaugers NASG [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40395	From: paflyrman	Date: 5/17/2006
Subject: Ebay Long truck Pullman

Ebay item 6059261756 has been listed as the hard to find long truck version. It is the common short truck version, but the seller insists he's right. Check this item out carefully if you plan to bid on it. paflyrman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40396	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 5/17/2006
Subject: Re: Keswick Cycle Shop--Me Too!

MIKE...... I always hoped someone would do a book showing pictures of the old storefront windows, inter toylands..... etc...... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> To: "Glenn Ritter" <gartrain@...>; "BNASG/Barb Rudnick" <rcespeak@...>; <FEZANDPAZ@...> Cc: "Toy Trains" <toytrains@yahoogroups.com>; <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 8:12 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Keswick Cycle Shop--Me Too! > Looking at all the responses about the list I put on the sites, whether > the > shop was on my list or not, the ones you all added, with the memories, I > think for someone in the train book writing business or Hobby writing > business, these stories of memories collected through you all, as I have > my > memories too, would be a great book to have. > > And to think one Shoppe had my 21129 Hudson for ten years for repair! > Went > to college, got married, ten year time line, before I got it back. > > Mike Marmer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Glenn Ritter" <gartrain@...> > To: "BNASG/Barb Rudnick" <rcespeak@...>; "BNASG/Mike Marmer" > <mlmarmer@...>; <FEZANDPAZ@...> > Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 7:27 AM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Keswick Cycle Shop--Me Too! > > >> Hi Jim, Barb & Mike, >> >> For a few more weeks I will be >> living in Montgomery County, PA >> and I used to go to the Ambler >> Theater in the 70s when it was >> operated by the former owner >> of the Keswick Theater, Harry >> Bristow, he was a character and >> he had Christian movies at both. >> I heard a lot about the Keswick >> Theater but never was there. >> http://www.keswicktheatre.com >> >> My wife and I are members of the >> American Music Theater in Lancaster. >> http://www.americanmusictheatre.com/ >> They have two feature shows a year. >> The Christmas show is a lot of >> Christian music and some of the cast >> and the owners we know are Christian. >> The summer revue now running has >> a lot of popular music. They also have >> a lot of popular entertainers that we >> rarely go to see. We will be living >> closer to Lancaster in July and when >> I retire in a couple of years hope >> to usher or operate equipment at the >> American Music Theater. >> >> I kept this off the list as it has nothing >> to do with trains and some members >> have complained to me when I >> mention Christian themes. >> >> Glenn >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: <FEZANDPAZ@...> >> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> >> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 8:48 PM >> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Keswick Cycle Shop--Me Too! >> >> >>> The Keswick movies was a great old movie house, I lived in Willow Grove >> and >>> went there often. Last movie I saw as a movie house was American >>> Graffiti. >>> It is now a restored live theatre as it once was before it was converted >> to a >>> movie house. You would be amazed at how big it is in its restored form >> .Many >>> top name bands and comedy acts are booked for the next year plus. They >> have a >>> web site if you're interested http://www.keswicktheatre.com >>> >>> >>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com >>> All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! >>> >>> Enjoy thousands of great photos >>> at http://S-Scale.org/albums >>> Yahoo! Groups Links >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40397	From: Phil K	Date: 5/17/2006
Subject: Re: Ebay Long truck Pullman

He is selling it with no reserve. Soon, he'll find out exactly what it is worth. He may have to postpone retiring to a South Seas island for a few more years. LOL Phil K --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "paflyrman" <4567@...> wrote: > > Ebay item 6059261756 has been listed as the hard to find long truck > version. It is the common short truck version, but the seller insists > he's right. Check this item out carefully if you plan to bid on it. > > paflyrman >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40398	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 5/17/2006
Subject: Re: Ebay Long truck Pullman

The Seller has added the following to his listing: SEVERAL S GAUGE COLLECTORS HAVE ADVISED ME THAT THIS CAR IS NOT THE LONG TRUCK VERSION BUT IS THE LATER REGULAR TRUCK VERSION. THE INFORMATION IN MY AD IS THEREFORE INCORRECT. MY INFORMATION FOR THE DESCRIPTION WAS TAKEN FROM A RESPECTED GUIDE THAT STATED THAT THE SHORT TRUCK WAS 1 AND 5/8 INCHES AND THAT THE LONG TRUCK WAS 2 AND 1/4 INCHES. THE TRUCK ON THIS CAR IS 2 AND 1/4 INCHES LONG. IF YOU CARE TO WITHDRAW YOUR BID, I UNDERSTAND AND HOPE YOU HAVE NOT BEEN INCONVENIENCED. THANKS TO ALL WHO ALERTED ME TO THIS SITUATION. Sounds like an honest guy to me. BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "paflyrman" <4567@...> wrote: > > Ebay item 6059261756 has been listed as the hard to find long truck > version. It is the common short truck version, but the seller insists > he's right. Check this item out carefully if you plan to bid on it. > > paflyrman >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40399	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 5/17/2006
Subject: Re: Keswick Cycle Shop

Tom Stoltz: Does Starrett's Hobbies ring a bell, as I have a AF sales folder from 1958 with that store in Portland, Maine. Also, I have the same folder with Corr's Hobby stamped on it from Washington, DC, as they did move to Rockville, MD after the 1968 riots, sadly. They are out of business, as well, as Model RR Center, Rockville, MD and Red's Hobby Shoppe, Wheaton, MD. Mike Marmer

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40400	From: Robert E. Yablonski	Date: 5/17/2006
Subject: AM Hudson

Reference: AM Hudson AM Models states: Fully compatible with AF 20" radius track. My two will not negotiate either AM track or SHS track. They both get stuck in the curves. Robert E. Yablonski

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40401	From: Victor Bereskin	Date: 5/17/2006
Subject: Where trains used to be sold - Cincinnati

Golden Rule Electric did not sell trains. It was a radio and small appliance repair shop, located on Race street about a half ablock north of 7th, Golden Rule was the American Flyer parts and repair place in Cincinnati. Stores that did sell American Flyer in Cincinnati were Brendamour's Sproting Goods, Checker Auto, Hirschman's, Don's Hobby Shop, and Shillito's, which was the largest department store downtown. None of these are in existence any more, although Shillito's has, after several mergers into other units of Federated Department Stores, been absorbed into Macy's. The big downtown store was closed many years ago and part of the building has been converted into condominiums. Vic Bereskin

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40402	From: reynoldsjmus	Date: 5/17/2006
Subject: where trains used to be sold- Philadelphia

i lived in swathmore in the late 50s and my parents and i shopped at a store that was next to a 'Bargain City' or similiar named discount store nearby. by the end of the '50s the bargain city had, in it's train/hobby section, a huge cardboard box of what i assume was traded- in flyer. poring thru it i almost cried seeing, sometimes for the first time, historic 1946-1956 or so af items piled uncerimoniously in that box. the items i remember most were 322 hudsons and the shell oil terminal with 2 tanks and the metal building. i had always coveted those 2 among others but never could afford them as a kid. still couldn't then. a forever, haunting memory. dale reynolds, pendleton sc

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40403	From: G C	Date: 5/17/2006
Subject: Re: CLOSED FROG SWITCH

Thanks Bob, I believe that I in the not so distant past asked about building switches. This is a great article (lots of pictures) Gene Cimino --------------------------------- Sneak preview the all-new Yahoo.com. It's not radically different. Just radically better. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40404	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 5/17/2006
Subject: Factory Repair List

Since I got many of you talking about some of these Shoppe's and about other's not on that list, I thought I would scan the pages of that list and put it on a photo album for each group. Then you can look at this list for yourselves and see if a particular Shoppe you are looking for is on it. And then you can see the independent nation of Nova Scotia! LOL I will do that tomorrow. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40405	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 5/17/2006
Subject: Re: Keswick Cycle Shop

Jim And I remember you have told me you went to MD too! I never got the chance to go to Corr's, as I remember seeing there ad in the yellow pages, but Model RR Center, I remember well and how they went out of business with my original 21129 in their house for ten years after they closed up with out contacting me. Mike

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40406	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 5/17/2006
Subject: What happens when a business fails

I started this thread on old anything Shoppe's that sold trains, ie. appliance stores. We have talked in the past about chains and where trains could be sold today. Then we started talking about old train Shoppe's in general and what happen to them? Well, my parents owned a independent camera Shoppe in downtown Silver Spring, MD, the premier shopping district near the DC line, in the 1950's and 1960's. I can tell you with experience, as a kid, when a Shoppe, whether a hobby Shoppe, camera Shoppe or any other Mom and Pop Shoppe goes out of business, it is ugly sometimes. And I would think most of the times, as the Shoppe owner will have allot debt on the books. My parents where forced to close in 1962, bankrupt, due to a mall opening up, in Wheaton, MD, in 1960,out 5 miles away. Wheaton Mall was one of the first malls in the country. My parents and a store called Ritz where placing bids to have a Shoppe in the mall. Yes, you had to bid to get a spot in the Mall. Almost like a hobby shop doing the same thing, as they did have a hobby Shoppe in that mall, Hobbies and Crafts. They lost the bid. Downtown Silver Spring started to become a ghost town, as many of the small retailers had to close shop due to no revenue coming in to pay the bills and live off of. My parents went bankrupt, almost lost the house and car, we had to get clothes from a thrift Shoppe and it destroyed their marriage. Boy, do I have horror stories to tell! So, that is what happens sometimes when a small train Shoppe goes out of business. Not a pretty picture, but reality. Ritz today is one of the largest camera chains in the country, as I joke today, I could be President of Marmer's Cameras! And David Ritz would be selling on commission somewhere else! O:)! However, seeing what my parents went through, sadly, made me a better person today, as I learn allot about life, at a very young age. And I feel I have one of the best marriages in the world. Why? Because Linda like Trains and Baseball! O:)!! And she did let me buy that "New" 1958, 21129 engine! What could be better than that? Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40407	From: James Hannawald	Date: 5/17/2006
Subject: Re: Keswick Cycle Shop

Mike, I spent many a hour in Corr's when they were in DC. That's where my first AF set came from in 1950. There was also Hyattsville Cycle which became Capital Sports and Hobbies. They stopped selling American Flyer in the early 60's but had a complete service station in the basement. I worked there for several years before they closed. Often wonder where all the American Flyer factory parts went when it was sold. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; "Thomas Stoltz" <tstoltz@...> Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 7:21 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Keswick Cycle Shop > Tom Stoltz: > > Does Starrett's Hobbies ring a bell, as I have a AF sales folder from 1958 > with that store in Portland, Maine. > > Also, I have the same folder with Corr's Hobby stamped on it from > Washington, DC, as they did move to Rockville, MD after the 1968 riots, > sadly. They are out of business, as well, as Model RR Center, Rockville, > MD and Red's Hobby Shoppe, Wheaton, MD. > > Mike Marmer > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40408	From: Robert Graves	Date: 5/17/2006
Subject: Re: Ebay Long truck Pullman

I went through this with another seller once. The problem is that there IS a measurement on the short trucks that is 2-1/4 inches long. I don't remember the details, but I do remember the situation. The book tells the measurement, but not what to measure!!! If you ever have this situation, point the seller to my webpage: http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/Pullman_Heavyweight_sets.html You can easily see the difference between the long and short trucks on the green cars near the top of the page. Bob Bull_Gator_1 <bull_gator_1@...> wrote: The Seller has added the following to his listing: SEVERAL S GAUGE COLLECTORS HAVE ADVISED ME THAT THIS CAR IS NOT THE LONG TRUCK VERSION BUT IS THE LATER REGULAR TRUCK VERSION. THE INFORMATION IN MY AD IS THEREFORE INCORRECT. MY INFORMATION FOR THE DESCRIPTION WAS TAKEN FROM A RESPECTED GUIDE THAT STATED THAT THE SHORT TRUCK WAS 1 AND 5/8 INCHES AND THAT THE LONG TRUCK WAS 2 AND 1/4 INCHES. THE TRUCK ON THIS CAR IS 2 AND 1/4 INCHES LONG. IF YOU CARE TO WITHDRAW YOUR BID, I UNDERSTAND AND HOPE YOU HAVE NOT BEEN INCONVENIENCED. THANKS TO ALL WHO ALERTED ME TO THIS SITUATION. Sounds like an honest guy to me. BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "paflyrman" <4567@...> wrote: > > Ebay item 6059261756 has been listed as the hard to find long truck > version. It is the common short truck version, but the seller insists > he's right. Check this item out carefully if you plan to bid on it. > > paflyrman > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Be a chatter box. Enjoy free PC-to-PC calls with Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40409	From: Plotnick, Roy E.	Date: 5/17/2006
Subject: In the good old Bronx

> Some that I remember in the Bronx were Hoeing's Parkway on White > Plains Road near Burke Ave. On the corner of Burke and W.P.Rd was a > small shop that sold AF and L, not sure of the name. > What I remember are two places very close to where I grew up, which may be the ones you mention. The first was Honigs Parkway on White Plains Rd, north of Allerton Ave. A number of cars that I still own came from there. They also did repairs, though I'm not sure they were an official service station. They sold many things, including appliances. The other was Al's Camera Shop at the corner of Allerton and White Plains. Despite the name, I remember Al's for selling cards and stationary, as well as many kinds of toys. Al himself lived on my block. My first set was a present from there for my sixth birthday in 1961. I also still have a number of items that I purchased there, although most of the original set was trashed. I found another reminiscence of these two stores at: http://www.tcamembers.org/articles/chronicles/madison/index.html Roy E. Plotnick

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40410	From: Velapoldi	Date: 5/18/2006
Subject: Re: where trains used to be sold - Greenwich/Stamford/Portchester

Well, I might as well put in my 1 1/2 cents (unfortunately my memory isn't great). Parents got my first train from a tire (Firestone?) store on the Post Road very near the New Haven RR bridge in Portchester, NY in 1948 (4916A with log loader, but with a tank car rather than the girder car, and an extra auto unloading car). I worked in D.W. Rogers, a department store on Greenwich Ave. in Greenwich, CT for a few years during high school (1954-6) where they sold AF. The owner (a Mr. Joseph) had a large layout at his home, tested my 312 from the 4916A and said it was the best engine he had seen. He even sent it to AC's in New Haven to have it serviced (at his expense), and there were two hobby stores in Stamford, CT that carried some AF, but had mostly other gauges. Rance Velapoldi (Norway)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40411	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 5/18/2006
Subject: Re;What happens when businesses fail

The shopping mall wasn't the only thing that drove small business out, but it was a large reason. With small business you have a one on one relationship with the PEOPLE involved. On both sides of the counter. When a large business comes on the scene, that personal connection is removed. You are dealing with employees who have become a "number" and management who are beyond contact with the customer. This leads to a feeling that both the employee and the customer are just pawns you can move about at will. The bigger the business becomes, the farther the descision makers are from the point of sale. At some point in giant corperations the top people become so removed from reality they are in a world all their own, attended by "yes men" and beyond resposibility for anything that resembles day to day operations. The corperate structure becomes so big nothing affects it immediately, either good or bad. Most multi-national companies roll on for years, until, like General Motors, disaster strikes. Suddenly things need change, management asks what went wrong, corperate officers look for the exits. Who is affected? PEOPLE. Generally the little people who work for the company or buy their products. The point of sale. When a small business fails it's seen as a little thing. When a corperation fails it's seen as a major problem. Actually, it should be the other way around. Stumpy Stone...waxing philosphically in the early morning...from Appalachia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40412	From: clayton deich	Date: 5/18/2006
Subject: Re: where trains used to be sold - Greenwich/Stamford/Portchester

To add to what you just told me. My dad said that he picked one of the trains up at Firestone. I never got the chance to see them at all the big stores you and the other are talking about. I do love here all about itform all of you. My brother Mike who is older could chime in with Litmans in Portland Oregon now they had an up stairs for toys only. In December they would use just about all the space for trains. They had one train that went around the outer edge of the walls out of reach of little hands... OOOHHHHHHH my..... I love to here Mike talk about it. I came in to the world in 1957 so I was at the end of AC as it worked out, but I got all the trains from Mike and Dad too. :) Clayton S.D. --- Velapoldi <velapoldi@...> wrote: > > Well, I might as well put in my 1 1/2 cents > (unfortunately my memory > isn't great). Parents got my first train from a > tire (Firestone?) store > on the Post Road very near the New Haven RR bridge > in Portchester, NY in > 1948 (4916A with log loader, but with a tank car > rather than the girder > car, and an extra auto unloading car). I worked in > D.W. Rogers, a > department store on Greenwich Ave. in Greenwich, CT > for a few years > during high school (1954-6) where they sold AF. The > owner (a Mr. > Joseph) had a large layout at his home, tested my > 312 from the 4916A and > said it was the best engine he had seen. He even > sent it to AC's in New > Haven to have it serviced (at his expense), and > there were two hobby > stores in Stamford, CT that carried some AF, but had > mostly other gauges. > Rance Velapoldi (Norway) > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40413	From: Roy Inman	Date: 5/18/2006
Subject: Re: where trains used to be sold:Why?

Hey folks, something I have wondered about for some time, and while we are on the subject: can anyone tell me why AF was not as popular in the Midwest (save for Chicago, perhaps) as it was in the East? The only thing I can think of is that Gilbert did not have as many Midwest/West road names, but I am not certain even that is correct. One could make a case that the Gilbert factory was in New Haven, CT, but then again Lionel was in New York I believe...? Any theories? Cheers :) Roy Inman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40414	From: frank emiro	Date: 5/18/2006
Subject: Re: In the good old Bronx

Roy , thanx for the corrections. Now that you mentioned AL's and Allerton Ave, it all comes back to me. Even though I lived in Mt. Vernon, my first set came from Hobby House in Cleveland. I did buy The New Clipper set from Zephyr on south 4th in Mt. Vernon. The set from Hobby House had a 312, Green baggage, and two New Haven passenger cars. At the time I thought it odd to have a Pennsy K 5, being Mt. Vernon had the NYC, NYNH&H, and some memories of the NY W & B Railway running through it. Later on it did not seem so odd to have a Pennsy engine pulling New Haven cars. "Plotnick, Roy E." <plotnick@...> wrote: > Some that I remember in the Bronx were Hoeing's Parkway on White > Plains Road near Burke Ave. On the corner of Burke and W.P.Rd was a > small shop that sold AF and L, not sure of the name. > What I remember are two places very close to where I grew up, which may be the ones you mention. The first was Honigs Parkway on White Plains Rd, north of Allerton Ave. A number of cars that I still own came from there. They also did repairs, though I'm not sure they were an official service station. They sold many things, including appliances. The other was Al's Camera Shop at the corner of Allerton and White Plains. Despite the name, I remember Al's for selling cards and stationary, as well as many kinds of toys. Al himself lived on my block. My first set was a present from there for my sixth birthday in 1961. I also still have a number of items that I purchased there, although most of the original set was trashed. I found another reminiscence of these two stores at: http://www.tcamembers.org/articles/chronicles/madison/index.html Roy E. Plotnick S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Love cheap thrills? Enjoy PC-to-Phone calls to 30+ countries for just 2¢/min with Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40415	From: John Foley	Date: 5/18/2006
Subject: Digitak

Hi Folks I don't know if you have seen this, It looks like Digitrak is coming out with their own sound decoders. Check it out at http://www.digitrax.com/sfxintro.php Their website is not fully functional yet, but there is some info. John [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40416	From: Robert Graves	Date: 5/18/2006
Subject: Re: Re;What happens when businesses fail

Having been involved in a variety of small businesses over the past twenty years, I appreciate how difficult it is for a small business to make it in this business climate, and I have tremendous respect for those who do, like Doug, Steve, Don, and others in this group. On the other hand, I am becoming increasingly concerned about the vilification of large corporations that is so much in vogue. I know from personal experience that those criticisms are totally valid in many cases, but I also know that, like all generalizations, they are false when stated as universal truth. I know corporate executives that begin their day with prayer and are genuinely concerned that their actions are the best for their employees, their customers, the environment, the nation, and the world. I believe that most of this vilification comes from three sources: politicians looking for a cause that will get them elected, media people looking for ratings, and small businesses that have been hurt by large corporations and are bitter about it. Mark Twain wrote, "When a mule kicks you, don't take it personally; consider the source." I urge everyone to consider those three sources, to understand their feelings and motivations, and to support and encourage them as appropriate, but not to get sucked into unfair vilification yourself. There's too much of it going around and we don't need to add to it or encourage it. Stand up for what is right. Stumpy Stone <mrstumpy@...> wrote: The shopping mall wasn't the only thing that drove small business out, but it was a large reason. With small business you have a one on one relationship with the PEOPLE involved. On both sides of the counter. When a large business comes on the scene, that personal connection is removed. You are dealing with employees who have become a "number" and management who are beyond contact with the customer. This leads to a feeling that both the employee and the customer are just pawns you can move about at will. The bigger the business becomes, the farther the descision makers are from the point of sale. At some point in giant corperations the top people become so removed from reality they are in a world all their own, attended by "yes men" and beyond resposibility for anything that resembles day to day operations. The corperate structure becomes so big nothing affects it immediately, either good or bad. Most multi-national companies roll on for years, until, like General Motors, disaster strikes. Suddenly things need change, management asks what went wrong, corperate officers look for the exits. Who is affected? PEOPLE. Generally the little people who work for the company or buy their products. The point of sale. When a small business fails it's seen as a little thing. When a corperation fails it's seen as a major problem. Actually, it should be the other way around. Stumpy Stone...waxing philosphically in the early morning...from Appalachia. S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Be a chatter box. Enjoy free PC-to-PC calls with Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40417	From: Joseph Haughney	Date: 5/18/2006
Subject: Re: where trains used to be sold:Why?

Roy et al I would think the reason is that there were not as many stores selling AF in the Midwest as in the East or Lionel had more stores and better coverage. It would be interesting to see if there was a list of distributors and sales points for Gilbert floating around for the late fifties showing what the coverage was. It wouldn't show the redistributors after AF went bust but it would probably be a good basis to showing where to expect concentrations of remaining AF components. Has anyone ever heard of such a list??? If a list doesn't exist, maybe it would make sense for someone to create a data base of what they remember and where. Mind you I'm not volunteering for anything since my plate is full already, but it might be useful to jog memories if someone wanted to make a project of it and distribute it. I guess a current list would be NASG or TCA membership lists when winnowed down to reflect AF. Regads, Joe Haughney

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40418	From: djdewey@cncnet.com	Date: 5/18/2006
Subject: Re: Ebay Long truck Pullman

Maybe the 2-1`/4" dimension is axle to axle? My long truck is in a box behind the player grand, which is STILL on it's side in the garage, behind the laminate flooring boxes (which are supposed to be installed in the living room by now. . . . And that's all behind the Model A, which is blocked in by the bay window and kitchen cabinet, also supposed to be installed by now. . . . Ya wanna hear about my train room?? (Gotta walk sidways through between the mountains of boxes now!) :) or :( ??? ON TO FLYER FEST WEST!! Less than 24 hours to departure time, Oh boy, Oh boy, Herk!! TRAINS!!!!! S' DAvid D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40419	From: ee_train	Date: 5/18/2006
Subject: Midwest AF coverage

I grew up partly in Minnesota and also spent a couple of years in Louisville. I remember an upstairs hobby shop in Louisville with loads of Flyer and my Rocket passenger set came from there. In the Minneapolis - St. Paul area the Dayton's department store in Minneapolis and Schunaman's (spelling?) in St. Paul both had large Flyer displays at Christmas and Gager's Hobby, Warner Hardware and Woodcraft Hobby all had Flyer. After high school I moved to Southern California for college and early career and still found new in the box Flyer at Burbank's House of Hobbies, Colonel Bob's and Riverside Hobby well into the '70's. Allied Models was a source of new Flyer longer than that and it still exists in West Los Angeles. There was plenty of Flyer in the upper mid west at least. Bill Drake

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40420	From: Phil K	Date: 5/18/2006
Subject: Re: where trains used to be sold:Why?

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Roy Inman <rinphoto@...> wrote: > > Hey folks, something I have wondered about for some time, and while we are on the subject: can anyone tell me why AF was not as popular in the Midwest (save for Chicago, perhaps) as it was in the East? > Any theories? > Cheers :) > Roy Inman Theories? Buddy, I got yer stinkin' theories: Top Ten List of Reasons Why American Flyer Wasn't Popular in the West 10. The West (west of the Rockies/Denver) boycotted Gilbert because it had a separate set of retail prices on everything -- higher, of course. 9. Transformers were no good because much of the West didn't have electricity yet. Remember the famous Abbott and Costello skit where the boys were going farm-to-farm selling vacuum cleaners? Lou dumped all kinds of crap on a woman's rug, saying he'd eat anything the vacuum didn't pick up. You know the rest... 8. Nobody with a decent business could take the West seriously. Heck, there weren't even any baseball teams out there until 1958, when Dem Bums finally left Flatbush and Ebbets Field for the LA Coliseum. 7. People had different hobbies, like dodging earthquakes and erupting volcanos and trying to get a sniff of a few Hollywood stars. 6. Like Florida, nobody had a basement. 5. California didn't have winter, which is "Train Time" in the East. 4. Because of a bad taste left by railroad crooks like "The Big Four" of the Central Pacific and scams like the Union Pacific's Crédit Mobilier. 3. People thought a string of hoppers meant another locust plague. 2. No one thought to sell Flyer in health food stores. and the No.1 one reason Why American Flyer Wasn't Popular in the West: 1. The riot squad had to be called out every time a store had a big sale on reefers! Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40421	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 5/18/2006
Subject: Re: Ebay Long truck Pullman

I think the long trucks, were due to the prewar trucks, in "O" guage being modified for post war "S"..... They were found in 46 and early 47.....tey didn't work that well so new dies were made..... the pics also show 1949 and up links!!!! Like David...... I have no idea where to start looking for mine...... Bob C

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40422	From: keefer1	Date: 5/18/2006
Subject: Re: Ebay Long truck Pullman

I know I'm going to regret this, but twice in one week, Dewey is exactly right. 2.25 inches axle to axle. --- djdewey@... wrote: > Maybe the 2-1`/4" dimension is axle to axle? My long > truck is in a box behind the player grand, which is > STILL on it's side in the garage, behind the > laminate flooring boxes (which are supposed to be > installed in the living room by now. . . . > And that's all behind the Model A, which is blocked > in by the bay window and kitchen cabinet, also > supposed to be installed by now. . . . > Ya wanna hear about my train room?? (Gotta walk > sidways through between the mountains of boxes now!) > :) or :( ??? > ON TO FLYER FEST WEST!! Less than 24 hours to > departure time, Oh boy, Oh boy, Herk!! TRAINS!!!!! > S' > DAvid D. > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40423	From: Gary Chidester	Date: 5/18/2006
Subject: I don't have to move!

I accidentally sent this to Paul the first time and not the list, sorry! I got home late tonight so I missed the news, but my wife tells me that Utah has chosen the Golden Spike as the quarter for Utah! I guess I can stay here for a little while longer. I like that because I am finally getting my layout running in the basement! gary

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40424	From: daysend40	Date: 5/18/2006
Subject: AF/Lionel 0-6-0

Hello! Has anyone out there changed the new dockside switcher to DCC or DCC w/sound? Also Installed Kaydee Couplers? I inquired about this last month but my computer hard drive went south. Thanks Joe Wagner trainmaster1940@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40425	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 5/18/2006
Subject: AF List repair centers

http://s-scale.org/albums/v/friends/marmer/?g2_page=5&g2_statusId=xcd99cfa4&g2_navId=x5aaf0197 I have scan all 8 pages of the 1952 Authorized AF Service Centers on the above. Any one on the TCA list can access the link, as it is not part of Yahoo. It is on page 5 of my WMD RT Pictures, so scroll down. Have fun looking at the list. And TCA people look at some of the other fine AF photo albums here, by going to www.s-scale.org/albums Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40426	From: Ed Eckert	Date: 5/18/2006
Subject: Announcement !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

To All: The Canadian Embassy, AKA Ed & Chris Stephens, has departed the Canadian Frontier to attend the Flyer Fest West in Fremont, California. They will be meeting up with Bill, from Sunday chat, in Oregon and to arrive tomorrow night in time for the No Host Party at the hotel. Good times will be had Friday night. The party is starting. Don't miss out. Fair warning. Registration can be made at the door for $10.00. Doors open at 10 am. See you'al there Ed Eckert

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40427	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 5/18/2006
Subject: Re: AF List repair centers

Very Interesting. At that time my Uncle Bud Sattler was selling American Flyer out of his basement in Westmont, NJ so he was not recognized as a repair station. By 1955 he had a storefront and service station in Westmont. Only 6 pages came through so you are missing Pennsylvania on. Staying on the Stony Creek branchline of NASG track, Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> To: "Toy Trains" <toytrains@yahoogroups.com>; <s-trains@yahoogroups.com>; "Ralph Loveless" <ralcor888@...> Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2006 7:35 PM Subject: [S-Trains] AF List repair centers > > http://s-scale.org/albums/v/friends/marmer/?g2_page=5&g2_statusId=xcd99cfa4&g2_navId=x5aaf0197 > > I have scan all 8 pages of the 1952 Authorized AF Service Centers on the above. > > Any one on the TCA list can access the link, as it is not part of Yahoo. > > It is on page 5 of my WMD RT Pictures, so scroll down. > > Have fun looking at the list. > > And TCA people look at some of the other fine AF photo albums here, by going to www.s-scale.org/albums > > Mike Marmer > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40428	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 5/18/2006
Subject: Re: where trains used to be sold:Why?

In a message dated 5/18/2006 10:49:23 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, rinphoto@... writes: Hey folks, something I have wondered about for some time, and while we are on the subject: can anyone tell me why AF was not as popular in the Midwest (save for Chicago, perhaps) as it was in the East? The only thing I can think of is that Gilbert did not have as many Midwest/West road names, but I am not certain even that is correct. One could make a case that the Gilbert factory was in New Haven, CT, but then again Lionel was in New York I believe...? Any theories? Cheers :) Roy Inman Roy, Philadelphia had the most Gilbert service stations in the mid-50's. Thirteen of them I believe. Fred [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40429	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 5/18/2006
Subject: Re: where trains used to be sold:Why?

I think the answer to this question is simple..... place your product where the most people are...... therefore the most sales...... Demographics I think its called..... Pittsburg wuud sell a lot more toys than Casper, Wyoming..... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: <fredstrainparts@...> To: <rinphoto@...> Cc: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2006 8:14 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] where trains used to be sold:Why? > > In a message dated 5/18/2006 10:49:23 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > rinphoto@... writes: > > Hey folks, something I have wondered about for some time, and while we > are > on the subject: can anyone tell me why AF was not as popular in the > Midwest > (save for Chicago, perhaps) as it was in the East? > The only thing I can think of is that Gilbert did not have as many > Midwest/West road names, but I am not certain even that is correct. One > could make a case that the Gilbert factory was in New Haven, CT, but then > again Lionel was in New York I believe...? > Any theories? > Cheers :) > Roy Inman > > > > > > > Roy, > > Philadelphia had the most Gilbert service stations in the mid-50's. > Thirteen of them I believe. > > Fred > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40430	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 5/18/2006
Subject: Re: where trains used to be sold:Why?

Phil.... loved the list!!!! Bob...... and the No.1 one reason Why American Flyer Wasn't Popular in the West: 1. The riot squad had to be called out every time a store had a big sale on reefers! Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40431	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 5/18/2006
Subject: Re: AF List repair centers

Glenn, That was a test to see, if anyone really looked at the list. LOL I will add the other 2 pages tomorrow, as they did get scan. Thanks for pointing that out to me. Mike

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40432	From: George Cohn	Date: 5/18/2006
Subject: Re: where trains used to be sold:Why?

ROBERT ALLEN CONNER wrote: > I think the answer to this question is simple..... place your product where > the most people are...... therefore the most sales...... Demographics I > think its called..... Pittsburg wuud sell a lot more toys than Casper, > Wyoming..... Bob Probably true but all of my AF trains came either from the Phelps Dodge Mercantile store in Morenci AZ, population about 1000 in 1952, or from the nearby Firestone or "Monkey Wards" store in Clifton AZ, population about 500. I got a set for nearly every Christmas or birthday until the early '60's when I was in high school and too old to play with such toys. I still have them and recently built a shelf to display them in my office: http://tinyurl.com/zopcn I also got a #300 dealer display for one Christmas around 1953 or 54. Still have it and plan to put it back together for a while this summer. George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40433	From: Robert Graves	Date: 5/18/2006
Subject: Re: Ebay Long truck Pullman

2-1/4? The seller I was talking to claimed his book said 2-1/8. That's how long the sheet metal side of the short truck is. He sent me a picture of his car with a ruler to prove his point. He was measuring the side instead of axle to axle. So I did a little research and Heimburger's book confirms that Dave's 2-1/4 is correct. And to make it explicit, the book calls it "wheelbase." keefer1 <keefer1_us@...> wrote: I know I'm going to regret this, but twice in one week, Dewey is exactly right. 2.25 inches axle to axle. --- djdewey@... wrote: > Maybe the 2-1`/4" dimension is axle to axle? My long > truck is in a box behind the player grand, which is > STILL on it's side in the garage, behind the > laminate flooring boxes (which are supposed to be > installed in the living room by now. . . . > And that's all behind the Model A, which is blocked > in by the bay window and kitchen cabinet, also > supposed to be installed by now. . . . > Ya wanna hear about my train room?? (Gotta walk > sidways through between the mountains of boxes now!) > :) or :( ??? > ON TO FLYER FEST WEST!! Less than 24 hours to > departure time, Oh boy, Oh boy, Herk!! TRAINS!!!!! > S' > DAvid D. > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Love cheap thrills? Enjoy PC-to-Phone calls to 30+ countries for just 2¢/min with Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40434	From: Don Thompson	Date: 5/18/2006
Subject: Re: where trains used to be sold:Why?

Dear Roy, No midwestern roadnames? My first AF set was a C&NW 283. They also made AT&SF, UP, T&P, MP, NP, NKP. M&StL, CB&Q, GN, D&RGW, CMStLP&P engines and I have not seem those roads out east. I think they made lots of nice stuff from the Midwest/West. Best, Don >Gilbert did not have as many Midwest/West road names > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40435	From: Gale Hall	Date: 5/18/2006
Subject: Where trains were found

Hey guys, There were AF trains in the MidWest too, Western Auto carried AF, John Plain Co out of Chicago had AF in their wholesale catalog and WW Grainger had AF in their wholesale catalog...and then there was Marvin's Cycle Shop in Muskogee Oklahoma, Therman Morgan was a retired Katy Conductor, and was running the store unitl his son, Marvin retired out of the service, but in the 60's it was bicycles, lawn mowers, and hand saw sharpening, but it was trains all year long...heavy AF, Lionel and HO and both a Lionel and AF repair station...102 Callahan St, now it is a parking lot. Gale Hall [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40436	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 5/18/2006
Subject: Re: where trains used to be sold:Why?

HEY ROY..... They had Reefers back then........ remember the OLD MOVIE REEFER MADNESS ! ! ! made in the 30's...... Worst time I ever got feeling good was when a friend invited me to a midnight movie..... The lobby was full of cops...... theater full of kids..... Pretty soon there air began to smell kinda funny...... Laughed me head off at the show..... had 25 hamburgers soon as I left........ Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roy Inman" <rinphoto@...> To: "ROBERT ALLEN CONNER" <rcon7@...>; <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; "Phil K" <waldootten@...> Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2006 11:34 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: where trains used to be sold:Why? > Come, come now gentlemen. In the AF era, even in Krazy Kalifornia, were > there really reefers back then?? > Well, I mean the non-refrigerated variety... > Of course there were and are still OTHER states west of the Mississippi > besides CA-like KANSAS, for example. > Roy Inman > >> From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER <rcon7@...> >> Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 21:59:02 -0400 >> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Phil K <waldootten@...> >> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: where trains used to be sold:Why? >> >> Phil.... loved the list!!!! Bob...... >> >> and the No.1 one reason Why American Flyer Wasn't Popular in the West: >> >> 1. The riot squad had to be called out every time a store had a big >> sale on reefers! >> >> Phil K >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com >> All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! >> >> Enjoy thousands of great photos >> at http://S-Scale.org/albums >> Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40437	From: Bill Clark	Date: 5/18/2006
Subject: Re: AF/Lionel 0-6-0

Yes, I did both. Here's a link to the article I did on the DCC part. Bill http://www.showcaseline.com/DCC/AFDocksider/AFDocksider.htm At 11:24 PM 5/18/2006 +0000, daysend40 wrote: >Hello! > Has anyone out there changed the new dockside switcher to DCC or >DCC w/sound? Also Installed Kaydee Couplers? I inquired about this >last month but my computer hard drive went south. >Thanks >Joe Wagner >trainmaster1940@... > > > > > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >Enjoy thousands of great photos >at http://S-Scale.org/albums >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40438	From: Roy Inman	Date: 5/18/2006
Subject: Re: where trains used to be sold:Why?

Come, come now gentlemen. In the AF era, even in Krazy Kalifornia, were there really reefers back then?? Well, I mean the non-refrigerated variety... Of course there were and are still OTHER states west of the Mississippi besides CA-like KANSAS, for example. Roy Inman > From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER <rcon7@...> > Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 21:59:02 -0400 > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Phil K <waldootten@...> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: where trains used to be sold:Why? > > Phil.... loved the list!!!! Bob...... > > and the No.1 one reason Why American Flyer Wasn't Popular in the West: > > 1. The riot squad had to be called out every time a store had a big > sale on reefers! > > Phil K > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40439	From: Rick Evans	Date: 5/19/2006
Subject: Top Ten List of Reasons Why American Flyer Wasn't Popular in the We

****(((Top Ten List of Reasons Why American Flyer Wasn't Popular in the West))))**** Great list Phil!!!! Pretty funny! Rick "California Boy" Evans. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40440	From: joan dienst	Date: 5/19/2006
Subject: Thank You

I recently posted a question regarding a Gilbert HO engine, that I got in a auction. I would like to thank everyone who helped me identify this Hudson model.. S-trains is a great source of information.. thx Mike Fuschetto Itasca, Illinois [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40441	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 5/19/2006
Subject: American Flyer Presence

Growing up in Bucks County (southeastern), Pennsylvania American Flyer was fairly plentiful, although it typically involved a ride on the Reading commuter line to Philadelphia. However, in my small hometown, there were only three AF operators about my age. I bought out one of them with a large collection several years ago when he retired from the U.S. Postal Service in DC and moved to southwestern Florida. The other was owned by my best fried in high school and, with whom I roomed the first 2 years of college. However, he gave his set away to a nephew so I just recently purchased this train set (the 0-8-0 Yeard King set) from Mark Preman. Here in the Southeast, AF was never very big. There is a lot of AF in the Richmond area, but little in North and South Carolina. One story for this paucity is that the Gilbert rep for this region quit in the early 50s (around '53 when Flyer was really growing), and his position was never filled. Thus, there was only a minimal AF presence in this area from the 50s to the end. If only Bob Tufts were still around, that is one of the questions (AF distribution by region) that I would love to have asked him about! Joe Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613*9 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock; More than 1,300 part lines American Models ##### S-Helper Service ###### K-Line S Gauge joestrainrepair@... Master Card/Visa

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40442	From: glenn_rhb	Date: 5/19/2006
Subject: Chatham Show - England that is - A bit of help please.

I am setting out the details that will be on display at the Chatham Show in June. I've got a lot from the English S Scale web site but can't find an equivilant American version. Does anybody have link to a potted history of S Scale in America that they could point me towards? Otherwise, does anybody have time to let me have some details so that I can include them in our display. What I have have been taken from sscale.org.uk, the English web site, as mentioned above, most is about the English scene, seems odd that it all came about from a packet of rivets that just 'looked right' Once the display is up and running, and during the show, I'll be taking photographs that I'll put on the web for all to see. As far as the locomotives go, several sadly still don't, our club volunteer has serviced most, repaired a couple, including the big thing, and hopefully at the show our specially imported expert (all the way from Surrey) will be helping up out. Thanks in advance for your help.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40443	From: frank emiro	Date: 5/19/2006
Subject: Re: where trains used to be sold:Why?

EVEN the NYC & PENNSY went to St. Louis. They may be concidered eastern, but they were in the mid west. Don is right on with his list below. If anything, there were not many eastern roads, but the one's ACG made did cover a large area. Don Thompson <don@...> wrote: Dear Roy, No midwestern roadnames? My first AF set was a C&NW 283. They also made AT&SF, UP, T&P, MP, NP, NKP. M&StL, CB&Q, GN, D&RGW, CMStLP&P engines and I have not seem those roads out east. I think they made lots of nice stuff from the Midwest/West. Best, Don >Gilbert did not have as many Midwest/West road names > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC and save big. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40444	From: Roy Inman	Date: 5/19/2006
Subject: Re: where trains used to be sold:Why?

Seems as though St. Louis, really an eastern town in temperament (IMHO), was about as far west as AF got with any market saturation. Don't believe those Cardinal fans when the try to tell you that their city is the Gateway to the West. Kansas City is REALLY the gateway to the West. The S club in St. Louis is an old established one, so I hear, and they have 3~4 times as many members as our KC club. Plus, there are actually some St. Louis hobby shops that actually carry S stuff! What a concept. Roy Inman > From: frank emiro <femiro2002@...> > Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 07:52:42 -0700 (PDT) > To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] where trains used to be sold:Why? > > EVEN the NYC & PENNSY went to St. Louis. They may be concidered eastern, but > they were in the mid west. Don is right on with his list below. If anything, > there were not many eastern roads, but the one's ACG made did cover a large > area. > > Don Thompson <don@...> wrote: Dear Roy, > No midwestern roadnames? My first AF set was a C&NW 283. They also > made AT&SF, UP, T&P, MP, NP, NKP. M&StL, CB&Q, GN, D&RGW, CMStLP&P > engines and I have not seem those roads out east. I think they made > lots of nice stuff from the Midwest/West. > Best, > Don > >> Gilbert did not have as many Midwest/West road names >> >> >>

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40445	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 5/19/2006
Subject: "S" IN NEVADA

Anybody know of any good shops between Las Vegas and Ely Nevada?..... Bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40446	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 5/19/2006
Subject: Re: where trains used to be sold:Why?

In a message dated 5/19/2006 1:32:46 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, rinphoto@... writes: EVEN the NYC & PENNSY went to St. Louis. They may be concidered eastern, but > they were in the mid west. Don is right on with his list below. If anything, > there were not many eastern roads, but the one's ACG made did cover a large > area. They went to Chicago also..Don't forget the B&O went west too.. Fred [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40447	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 5/19/2006
Subject: Re: Re;What happens when businesses fail

In a message dated 5/18/2006 3:25:46 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, theupstairstrain@... writes: With small business you have a one on one relationship with the PEOPLE involved. On both sides of the counter. Interesting to read this entire thread on this day. A good friend from high school and I were headed out for lunch, talking about the hardware store I managed until transferred, when he told me I taught him how to do his first FORMICA job. I had no recollection. He now has a custom countertop shop, doing FORMCIA, CORIAN etc. plus doing custom fit cabinet jobs. I was amazed. My guess is that the folks at the "BIG BOX" stores can't spell either brand name. BUT, they have the colored aprons. Jim "livin' on the two-rail main" Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40448	From: Darrell Smith	Date: 5/19/2006
Subject: Looking for Frontiersman cars.....damaged

Hi group, I'm going to be rebuilding some Flyer Frontiersman passenger cars (those #10, #20, #30 coach, combine, baggage/rpo) into scale vintage (1885 or earlier) cars for my 1885 layout. I know there are always some on ebay, and have actually acquired a couple there. I hate to cut up perfectly good cars for this venture however. What I am looking for are cars in less than good condition with damaged or missing parts, as mostly I am resizing the body and adding the balance as new details. So does anyone out there have some "repair shop" Frontiersman cars? If so, email me off list and we'll see if a deal can be made. Thanks for listening... Darrell

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40449	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 5/19/2006
Subject: Re: DOCKSIDE FOR SALE

I have 1 Brand New Beth. Dockside for sale. $107.00 Shipping & Ins. included. Also comes with a 4oz bottle of smoke fluidW/dropper. Mike PS: Please contact me off list ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97,501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40450	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 5/19/2006
Subject: AF List repair centers

AH ! ! ! So the list does have "The Train Clinic" on Hubbell Ave. in Detroit, Mich. That is where I bought and drooled over trains, year around. J. L. Hudson, downtown had a big layout on the 12th floor at Christmas, but put that away after New Years till next year. For Christmas the toy dept took over the area of the garden center. Yes, there was a year around toy dept. but train stuff was in the box and you had to ask. If you looked like you could pay for it, someone could get something out and sell it. Of course that store is long gone. For that matter, so is the Train Clinic. jfred --------------------------------- Feel free to call! Free PC-to-PC calls. Low rates on PC-to-Phone. Get Yahoo! Messenger with Voice [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40451	From: joan dienst	Date: 5/19/2006
Subject: Repairing a bent step

Question: I have a 322 cast iron tender. One of the rear steps is bent inward, I have tried in the past to bend these steps, and have broken them off. If I heat the step with a propane torch will I be able to bend the step back in position, or should I leave it alone. If it does break off what type of epoxy should I use to try and put it back on.. thx Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40452	From: Steve & Cathy Pendleton	Date: 5/20/2006
Subject: The passing of an A. C. Gilbert employee

Pardon me if this has already been on the list. I don't get to keep up with it daily. Two weeks ago Robert "Doc" Navarre of Buchanan, GA passed away. I believe he was 76. He was last, a geology professor at West Georgia College in the same town. His first and greatest love, however, was American Flyer trains. He was the Southeastern field engineer for American Flyer from the early 50's ('53, I believe) to early 60's, when he bought a train store in Decatur, GA. His repair station was the only official "corporate" Gilbert facility in existence (I believe he told me one time.) Doc still had a large collection, including a lot of rare pieces and a department store layout from the factory, on which he tested trains. Until a year or so ago, he repaired trains daily for people all over the country. Several of us in the metro Atlanta area would get together and go see him every few months. His mind remained razor-sharp until less than a year ago, when congestive heart failure set in. He always told us that every year since 1976 was "gravy" for him, that he had a heart attack at that time which certainly should have killed him, he said. Doc was an accomplished organist. He had an old Hammond organ with huge Leslie speaker cabinet, that he loved to play at full volume for us. I believe he played at the Fox Theater in Atlanta several times. We wanted him to share his stories with other Flyer enthusiasts (the TCA Convention in Chattanooga, TN comes to mind) but he was always reluctant to do so. He did attend our Terminus Chapter meets in Norcross, GA with us, until about three years ago when his health prevented him from traveling. If there is further interest in Doc's biography, let me know and I will collect all the info. I can on his life and pass it on to the group. Best regards, Steve Pendleton Canton, GA [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40453	From: Darrell Smith	Date: 5/20/2006
Subject: Re: Looking for Frontiersman cars.....damaged

I recieved a cautionary reply that these cars are actually closer to On3 size and will not convert to S scale. Well, I have one, and it is the same proportion as the Bachmann On30 cars, and those are convertible to S scale too. It requires some chopping of the body to bring it to true scale dimensions and reworking many of the details. But it is just as easy to do with the Franklin cars as it is with the Bachmann. I can get the Bachmann cars on ebay for around $25 including shipping. Why would I want to mess with the Franklin cars when they cost somewhat more? Because I wans some variety in my 1885 passenger cars. The Franklin cars can readily be rebuilt into a car similar to an 1875 vintage car. I just would rather buy some "beaters" at a comparable price since the majority of the car is being redone or scrapped anyway. I won't pay $60 for a good car just to hack it up. The trucks, end beams, cast on handrails, and roof details must be replaced; the body cut into sides-ends-floor, cut down to size and reassambled; the roof if reused must be opened up and totally redetailed, otherwise a Bachmann roof can be fitted, or a round roof can be put on the baggage car. The windows can also be redetailed with S scale sash castings. The floor could be replaced with styrene sheet and strips into a closer-to-scale appearance, and the trucks would be replaced with either re-sized Bachmann On30 trucks or some of the old Nixon trucks that I happen to have. Someone will ask why go to all this work? Wouldn't it be easier to just scratch build the whole car? My answer is that it takes somewhat less time to do the bash than to scratch a car, and I'm hoping to have a complete train of these cars, maybe as many as seven. If I was doing just one, I'd probably scratch build, but with seven, the time saved will allow me to finish the project before the end of the decade. Thanks for listening... Darrell --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Darrell Smith" <devansmith@...> wrote: > > Hi group, > > snip < > > So does anyone out there have some "repair shop" Frontiersman cars? > If so, email me off list and we'll see if a deal can be made. > > Thanks for listening... > > Darrell >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40454	From: Dale Smith	Date: 5/20/2006
Subject: Re: "S" IN NEVADA

Bob, You've got to be kidding. There are exactly 5 towns between Las Vegas and Ely, that range in size from a population of 800 to around 1400 residents each, with most under 1000 population. You can probably find a grocery store and a few other essentials, but hobby shops?? Probably not. Enjoy your trip though. I hear Pioche (pronounced Pee-Och) is a living ghost town. Sounds interesting. Dale Smith ----- Original Message ----- From: "ROBERT ALLEN CONNER" <rcon7@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, May 19, 2006 12:36 PM Subject: [S-Trains] "S" IN NEVADA > Anybody know of any good shops between Las Vegas and Ely Nevada?..... Bob > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40455	From: jjmemmer@aol.com	Date: 5/20/2006
Subject: Trains in Indy

L.S Ayres dept.store sold AF and Lionel,and had layouts at Christmas.Wm H Block dept.store had Lionel,HO,and imports,don't remember Flyer.Guarantee Auto had Flyer and Marx in mid 50's Les Gordon's shop was on Central in a building behind his home,then he had a shop on North side and finally ended up on Mount street.Les had a big part in building the Childrens Museum Ogauge layout,which is no longer there.Ipalco(power co.)had Flyer layout in show window in mid 50's.I'm sure there was more,but that's what Iremember. Jerry [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40456	From: Sam and Judy Williamson	Date: 5/20/2006
Subject: Where AF was sold

Here in Richmond, Va we were lucky to have multiple year round suppliers, several seasonal ones and a wholesaler. The wholesaler was Stanley Toy & Novelty Co (I think that was the name). About June My Dad and I would catch a streetcar and go to see what new AF will be available this fall. They would set up a big display on shelves that could easily be seen from the street so we knew what was coming before the catalog came out or it showed up in the full time stores. There were two department stores, Miller & Rhoads and Thalhimers, that carried AF all year. Both put up large operating displays at Christmas. M&R had, in addition, a corner display window layout that duplicated downtown Richmond using both AF & L. The other full time source was The Roundhouse. This was a one man train store in an old machine shop so it had a bit of an authentic aroma when you walked in and more AF & L then you could imagine. Among the seasonals were two appliance stores, both put up layouts but the best was Jones & Gooding. They had a display window layout that featured live plants with moss for grass plus streams, ponds and a waterfall all with running water. The other store, I can't recall the name now, had a more conventional layout but they had a logo on the display window that when you touched it from outside of the store the layout would light up and run for a while day or night. 1946 to 56 was a great time to be a kid who loved trains but then girls and cars came along and the trains soon went into the attic only to come out at Christmas. Then college, marriage/kids and in the attic they stayed until one day my then 10 year old son found them and it started all over again. Now 60 years after I received my first AF set I have more AF then ever plus the new trains from S-Helper, Lionel, AM and others. This causes me to wonder when I go to York and I see more white hair, canes, walkers and wheelchairs just who will carry on the hobby we enjoy today without these kind of memories to fuel our enjoyment. Sam W. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40457	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 5/20/2006
Subject: THE FUTURE OF TOY TRAINS

Sam makes an interesting point about white hair and canes. The North Penn S Gaugers set up a modular layout at Greenberg and East Coast Hobby shows. Many parents and grandparents bring children of all ages. Children are being exposed to toy trains but they mostly see it as an operating museum that they may not set up in their own home. Perhaps someday they will remember seeing toy trains in operation and a spark will reignite the flame we now carry. Keeping trains in public view is the best way to rebuild the hobby. Reading these comments brings back the memories of going to my Uncle Bud Sattler's train store every Christmas. Yes, he was open Christmas day to repair trains children broke on Christmas morning. Anyone else know of someone that eccentric? Staying on the Stony Creek branchline of NASG track, Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sam and Judy Williamson" <seaboard@...> To: "S-Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2006 9:45 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Where AF was sold > Here in Richmond, Va we were lucky to have multiple year round suppliers, several seasonal ones and a wholesaler. > > The wholesaler was Stanley Toy & Novelty Co (I think that was the name). About June My Dad and I would catch a streetcar and go to see what new AF will be available this fall. They would set up a big display on shelves that could easily be seen from the street so we knew what was coming before the catalog came out or it showed up in the full time stores. > > There were two department stores, Miller & Rhoads and Thalhimers, that carried AF all year. Both put up large operating displays at Christmas. M&R had, in addition, a corner display window layout that duplicated downtown Richmond using both AF & L. > > The other full time source was The Roundhouse. This was a one man train store in an old machine shop so it had a bit of an authentic aroma when you walked in and more AF & L then you could imagine. > > Among the seasonals were two appliance stores, both put up layouts but the best was Jones & Gooding. They had a display window layout that featured live plants with moss for grass plus streams, ponds and a waterfall all with running water. > The other store, I can't recall the name now, had a more conventional layout but they had a logo on the display window that when you touched it from outside of the store the layout would light up and run for a while day or night. > > 1946 to 56 was a great time to be a kid who loved trains but then girls and cars came along and the trains soon went into the attic only to come out at Christmas. Then college, marriage/kids and in the attic they stayed until one day my then 10 year old son found them and it started all over again. > > Now 60 years after I received my first AF set I have more AF then ever plus the new trains from S-Helper, Lionel, AM and others. > > This causes me to wonder when I go to York and I see more white hair, canes, walkers and wheelchairs just who will carry on the hobby we enjoy today without these kind of memories to fuel our enjoyment. > > Sam W. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40458	From: paflyrman	Date: 5/20/2006
Subject: Richmond Train Stores

I also remember the big layout at the Sears store on West Broad St. Set up, I believe, in the lawn & garden area between the main store and the auto repair dept at Christmas time. I can't remember what they had though, maybe someone else can. Don't know how you guys can remember what you saw. For those of us who lived a little below Richmond there were two stores in Petersburg, Spotless, a hardware store, and MW Gill & Son, which sold appliances. Can't remember what I saw over 50 years ago there either. Sears moved some time ago to the suburbs, and of course the other two are long gone. paflyrman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40459	From: Phil K	Date: 5/20/2006
Subject: Fall S Fest Banquet speaker (Oh Boy! Trains!)

The Chicagoland Association of S Gaugers (CASG) has announced its special guest speaker for the Fall S Fest banquet. This year's theme is: "100 Years of American Flyer." The banquet will be Saturday evening, Nov. 5. Fall S Fest is scheduled for Nov. 3-5 in Chicago, at the Tinley Park Convention Center, I-80 and Harlem Ave. There will be over 25,000 square-feet of exhibit/dealer space and layouts. It is the largest annual gathering of S gauge and 1:64 afficionados in the country, encompassing all of S -- Scale, Standard Gauge, Hi-Rail, Tinplate, American Flyer, and of course, S for the "Narrow-Minded." Our speaker will be Mr. Carl Luecke, a child actor from the early 1950s. Among his significant roles was that of Prince Chulalngkorn in the original Broadway production of "The King and I" with Yul Brenner. But as you might guess, that's not why he's speaking at Fall S-Fest. Mr. Luecke was in the cast of the most daring marketing campaign in the history of model railroading -- "The Boys Railroad Club." This was a TV program conceived by A.C. Gilbert & Co. to advance the interest and sales of American Flyer S Gauge Trains. Gilbert produced a total of six episodes featuring model and prototype trains, often having a real-life railroad executive or locomotive engineer visit the club, a basement layout room loaded with -- you guessed it -- American Flyer! The shows ran for three years in 50 different markets and were viewed by millions of kids. Copies of the series are available at most Flyer dealers. Mr. Luecke played the part of Corky, and yes, he knew Herky! (Oh Boy! Trains!) The event will be limited to 300 persons, first-come, first-served on the tickets. Thanks to Andy Jugle, chairman, for setting up what should be a terrific evening -- and Fall S Fest! More information to follow in the next few weeks. Fall S Fest, now in its 31st year, is the annual extravaganza that rotates between the CASG, Badgerland S Gaugers, State Line S Gaugers, and the American Flyer S Gaugers of the St. Louis Area. The first mailing went out today to most of those who attended previous S Fests. If you do not receive a registration packet within two weeks (by June 10), email me and we'll get you set up. Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40460	From: Roy Inman	Date: 5/20/2006
Subject: Re: THE FUTURE OF TOY TRAINS

Boy now there is one heck of a guy Glenn!! I'm sure it was a labor of love, or at least dedication to the customer, that would bring a man away from family and the pumpkin pie. Or maybe he just liked trains that much. Remarkable in any event. Even if he was not of the Christian persuasion, that doesn't mean he might not celebrate the day. Several of my Jewish friends, for instance, see Christmas as one more opportunity to give and receive presents. And, I hasten to add, play with trains :) There was no one around KC, so far as I or my family knew, who did such a thing as repair trains on Christmas. And the Christmas that I received my Santa Fe set, sure enough a wire inside popped off (we found out later) after about two laps and it was a week before I got it back. Cheers :) Roy Inman > From: Glenn Ritter <gartrain@...> > Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 10:43:34 -0400 > To: Sam and Judy Williamson <seaboard@...>, S-Trains > <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [S-Trains] THE FUTURE OF TOY TRAINS > > Reading these comments brings > back the memories of going to > my Uncle Bud Sattler's train > store every Christmas. Yes, > he was open Christmas day to > repair trains children broke on > Christmas morning. Anyone > else know of someone that eccentric? > > Staying on the Stony Creek > branchline of NASG track, Glenn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40461	From: rwbill@charter.net	Date: 5/20/2006
Subject: Re: Who sold it.

I remeber JL Hudson layout. I lived in Royal Oak, Mich. and remember buying AF at Dunns Camera on Washington and Royal Oak Bike Shop on E. 4th Street. Russell Bill Godfrey, Illinois

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40462	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 5/20/2006
Subject: Sunday Chat, 5/21/2006, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 40463	From: hellonc99	Date: 5/20/2006
Subject: Where Trains Used To Be Sold - Pittsburgh

As a kid growing up in Pittburgh (moved away in '63), I remember the trains at Gimbles, Hornes, and Kaufmans. I bought some Flyer at Gimbles but mostly at Bill & Walt's Hobby shop. Riding the streetcar to see the trains in town was an adventure I'll always remember. What fun!! Tom Druga

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40464	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 5/20/2006
Subject: Re: Where Trains Used To Be Sold - Pittsburgh

TOM..... Rember the ride to Castle Shannon?..... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "hellonc99" <hellonc99@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2006 5:37 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Where Trains Used To Be Sold - Pittsburgh > As a kid growing up in Pittburgh (moved away in '63), I remember the > trains at Gimbles, Hornes, and Kaufmans. I bought some Flyer at > Gimbles but mostly at Bill & Walt's Hobby shop. Riding the streetcar > to see the trains in town was an adventure I'll always remember. What > fun!! > > Tom Druga > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40465	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 5/20/2006
Subject: The Future of Toy Trains

I probably shouldn't stick my two cents into this, but I can't help it. I'm afraid our trains, be they toy or model, are going to be part of the "Norman Rockwell Era" as I call it. The fifties was a magic time in America, fondly rememberd by most of us who were kids then. We're now grey haired and pot bellied and our only way to recapture our youth may be to play with our trains. Flash forward fifty years...trains are barely seen by most people these days. Kids don't play outside anymore, they play on the computer. The work ethic our parents instilled in us is not in them. For the first time the local schools are running short of kids who want to play sports. I don't think there's much of a future for "hands on" hobbies we take for granted. The kids don't want to put out the effort. Why do I say this? Because I've just completed my 27th year working at a school. I'm also an auto racing announcer, and work part time in a hobby shop. Dad or Gandpa bring the little kids to see trains and race cars, but "it's not cool" for the teeners and twenty sometings these days. I don't see much chance of our hobbies outliving us. The Future of Trains of all kinds is with us...TODAY. And this is the biggest period of growth in many years, if ever! We probably shouldn't worry about what might happen fifty years from now, just enjoy what we have today! Stumpy Stone...probably won't be around in fifty more years anyway...Martins Ferry, OH.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40466	From: len_hall	Date: 5/20/2006
Subject: Since No One Makes Them.

I'm new, but thought I would post some picture of what I have been working on lately since there has been some discussion regarding cars that people would like to have, but they aren't available. I have built three different cars and have eight to ten of them, except the tanker. 1. Log Car 2. Auto Carrier 3. Heavy (Extended) Tanker. Here is a link to the album. http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/browse/4712?c= I've run them at several train shows and had a few people have ask where they can buy some like it. They are usually surpised when I tell them I made them. Len Hall

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40467	From: Brigadier Scottish Shop Beechworth	Date: 5/21/2006
Subject: Where Trains Used to Be

I grew up in Akron and later nearby Cuyahoga Falls Ohio during the 1950's. I received my first trainset (which I still have) at Christmas 1953. My late father purchased it from a friend who was connected with a mail order company. My father and grandfather set it up on a plywood board in the living room. I seem to remember I was finally allowed to play with it by myself sometime after New Year's Day! In Akron I remember Glen's Train Shop ("We Sell the Best and Fix the Rest") run by Glen Urhl, who I believe was a retired Navy man. Glen was a large man in overalls and an engine driver's cap who had a lot of time for a young boy with one million questions. The two large department stores in Akron were Oneil's and the May Company? ( sorry not sure about the name), both of them had the usual Christmas layouts in their windows and toy departments. In Cuyahoga Falls I remember an authourized AF Service Center in an electronics shop on State road. They had lots of Af but it was in boxes behind the counter. AF was very much a sideline. Just before Christmas every year my family made its annual pilgrimage to Cleveland, Ohio. We would park in the Terminal Tower and visit the large department stores starting with Higbee's. They all had large AF displays. We always had lunch in the Windmill Cafeteria (sorry not sure about the name). In 1956 "Santa" brought me a New Haven passenger set from a department store in Cleveland. Of course Dad and I always went to the Hobby House to buy a few extras for our layout. As far as I know all these places are now gone. Fond Memories, John Harvey

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40468	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 5/21/2006
Subject: Re: Since No One Makes Them.

----- Original Message ----- From: "len_hall" <len_hall@...> I have built three different cars and have eight to ten of them, except the tanker. 1. Log Car 2. Auto Carrier 3. Heavy (Extended) Tanker. > http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/browse/4712?c= > > > > > > > > > Interesting. Your picture # 4 shows a Mike's Train House Gunderson Huskey Stack car, which differs from the S-Scale America car by being an "all-purpose" car (it can carry containers or trailers), and it shows a Lionel Autorack. We set up a modular layout today at Durand and among the cars I provided to run were the same two cars, although I had narrowed both of them down to come closer to S size, and I had a trailer in the Husky Stack well car. Maybe I can take some pictures tomorrow of these two cars. Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40469	From: Roy Inman	Date: 5/21/2006
Subject: Re: The Future of Toy Trains

Stumpy old chum, I sure do usually agree with just about every thing you say, but I would take minor exception to your suggestion that kids don't want to put out the effort any more. I seem to notice that when it comes to video games, they put out lots, and lots and lots of effort. And time. And while it it true that most people don't have much contact with trains these days, many people, young and old alike have contact with airplanes. Yet the world of model aviation is experiencing the same population aging that we are. Go figure... Roy Inman... trying to stay on track in Lenexa, KS > From: Stumpy Stone <mrstumpy@...> > Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 00:39:15 +0000 > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] The Future of Toy Trains > > I don't think there's much of a future for "hands on" hobbies we > take for granted. The kids don't want to put out the effort. Why do > I say this? Because I've just completed my 27th year working at a > school. I'm also an auto racing announcer, and work part time in a > hobby shop. Dad or Gandpa bring the little kids to see trains and > race cars, but "it's not cool" for the teeners and twenty sometings > these days. I don't see much chance of our hobbies outliving us. > The Future of Trains of all kinds is with us...TODAY. And this is > the biggest period of growth in many years, if ever! We probably > shouldn't worry about what might happen fifty years from now, just > enjoy what we have today! > Stumpy Stone...probably won't be around in fifty more years > anyway...Martins Ferry, OH.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40470	From: Roy Inman	Date: 5/21/2006
Subject: Re: Since No One Makes Them.

Hi Len, and thanks for passing along photos of those great cars! Have you ever made an open auto carrier? That is the type I really would like. Roy Inman > From: len_hall <len_hall@...> > Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 01:44:19 +0000 > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] Since No One Makes Them. > > I'm new, but thought I would post some picture of what I have been > working on lately since there has been some discussion regarding cars > that people would like to have, but they aren't available. > > I have built three different cars and have eight to ten of them, except > the tanker. > > 1. Log Car > 2. Auto Carrier > 3. Heavy (Extended) Tanker. > > Here is a link to the album. > http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/browse/4712?c= > > I've run them at several train shows and had a few people have ask > where they can buy some like it. They are usually surpised when I tell > them I made them. > > Len Hall > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40471	From: wc johnson	Date: 5/21/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 3054

I grew up near Cincinnati, Ohio and my Father took my 322 locomotive to Golden Rule Electric company for repairs a couple of times. As I recall they only did repairs there but, there were a couple of large department stores in downtown Cincinnati, OH that sold both American Flyer and Lionel with the usual department store type layouts at Christmas time. There were also Western Auto stores around the area that sold American Flyer. It seems that the Golden Rule Electric Co. is long gone since I could not find a reference to it on Google. One Christmas layout that I remember well was in the corner display window at the John Shillitoe (?spelling) Co. up on 6th street. It was the most elaborate toy train layout that I have ever seen, consisting of both A. C. Gilbert trains and toys and Lionel trains. To start with the corner display window was huge and it was filled with mountains, accessories, bridges and trains. One unique feature was a switch that was rigged up on the window that would cause a train to run when a boy or girl held their hand on the designated spot on the window. This must have been the year that the miner's work train came out because that was what was on the controlled track. Of course everyone wanted to touch the spot and watch Ike and Mike do their stuff. I wish I had a picture of that display. One doesn't see that type of thing anymore. Trains have always been a big thing at Christmas time in Cincinnati. Around the mid '40s the Baltimore and Ohio RR would bring their O scale public relations layout to town and set it up in the lobby of the Cincinnati Gas and Electric Co. It has been a tradition for more than 60 years now. CG&E now Cinergy still sets it up between Thanksgiving and New Years every year. During the '50s they would alternate with B & O's HO scale layout. I was back for a visit at Christmas some years ago and asked the person who was running the layout that day about the HO layout but he didn't seem to know that it even had existed. S-Trains@yahoogroups.com wrote: ________________________________________________________________________ Message 9 From: "Michael and Linda Marmer" mlmarmer@... Date: Mon May 15, 2006 2:24pm(PDT) Subject: Where trains USED to be sold Okay, on the TTML (TCA Moderated List) list, there has been lots of discussion on where (Lionel) trains should be sold. So, now, I will turn it around, as I have in front of me a American Flyer Authorized Service Station listing for the US. There is no date on this, but Alaska and Hawaii are not mention. Either this list is before 1959 or these states did not have service stations. I will say, that the address for AF in CT has no zip code, just the zone, that remember pre-dated zip codes. So, many of you will remember places like these, but I thought it would be neat to list some of the non hobby Shoppe's that sold trains, pre-chains, of course. Also, they write about that you might need the help of the American Flyer Service Man. Not politically correct today. LOL How many of these places are now out of business? Alabama Mobile Baldwin's Bicycle Shoppe Foster's Appliance Repairs Arizona Tucson Townsend's Radio and Electric Arkansas Little Rock Parsel's California Colonel Bob's (?) Los Angeles Toys for Men (I wont even go what that could be today!)Oakland Hickory Dickory Dollar (Pre-dated all the dollar stores of today?} San Carlos Another Toys for Men! San Francisco (Must of been a chain, the first chain of anything!) CT Bridgeport Benco Appliance Center Blaner's Electronic Shoppe Middletown That is for Amato's which is now Hobby Surplus in New Britain. New Britain The Beacon Store Waterbury Harry's Super Store District of Columbia Tele-Rad Company Florida Frank Whipple's (Maybe the original Mr. Whipple) Jerry Matsick, is he long gone, as it was at 2817 Main St. Miami Orange Blossom Tampa The Pioneer Tire Co. Tampa Photo Supply Georgia Decatur Clark Equipment Co Illinois Chicago Art's Cycle Shop Mid-States Auto Electric Pilot Paint Urbana Durst Cycle Shop Winnetka The Fix-It Shop of Winnetka Indiana Fort Wayne Koehlinger's Highland Ted, the Toy Train Technician (I thought this is interesting) South Bend Frick Radio and Electric Grose's Bike Shop Maine (YEA!) Hub Cycle and Radio Co of Maine Maryland (Yea!) Baltimore French's Inc. Sporting Goods Funk's Variety Store Massachusetts Boston (Yea!) Flint Equipment Co Electrical Appliance Resale Co Michigan Ann Arbor Whizzer Motor Sales (Car dealer?) Detroit Columbia Radio Downtown Train and Camera Lansing Vanderboort Hardware Co Minnesota St. Paul Empire Clock Co Missouri Brandt Electric Co Lionel Radio Service (Someone named Lionel?or a train Shoppe?) Springfield East Radio Service New Hampshire Concord French's Radio Shop Laconia Laconia Hardware New Jersey Bayonne Jo-Art Juvenile Furniture Flemington Decker's Radio Service Hoboken Beacon Auto Supply Nutley Woolward Appliance Center Passaic Grand Auto Supply Union City Rassner Sporting Goods Washington Washington Sporting Goods Woodbury B.B. Morris Tire Co New York Amsterdam The Radio Workshop Brooklyn Alandes Electric Co "The Cabin" That is how it is listed. I have no idea if it WAS more than a hobby store. Fix-All Appliance Shop Glenwood Hardware and Paint Mercury Model Airplane Rothbard Hardware Co Corning Baker's Sporting Goods Farmingdale Udel's Furniture Co Hudson Town Fair Amittyvile, L.I. Tager Auto Stores Bay Shore, L.I. Tager Auto Stores Flushing, L.I. Pleasure Mart, Inc. (wont touch this one either in today's world) Huntington, L.I. Huntington Sport Shop Laurelton, L.I. Lumin's Hardware and Paint Ling Island City Center Radio and Hardware Ozone Park, L.I. Aqueduct Bicycle Shop New York City Approved Appliance Co Phil's Radio Service Rochester (There you go, Joseph Lechner!) Kanzler Electric Co 180 Normandy Ave. North Carolina Rocky Mount Bob's radio Service Ohio Canton Canton Hardware Company The Eclipse Electric Company Cincinnati Golden Rule Electric, Inc. Original Tire Co Toledo Luelf Hardware, Inc. Washington Budd Radio & Sound Service Zanesville, Home of Scott's Lawn Products! No it does not say that! Thomas Electric Co Oregon Eugene, home of the Oregon Ducks! Does not say that either. Brighter Home Service Portland Morrison Electric Service Pennsylvania Bryn Mawr Farman's Jolly Roger Shop Charleroi Ace Auto Shop Indiana Markle's Sporting Goods Glenside Keswick Cycle Co Kingston Kingston Radio and Card Co New Castle Menken's Specialty Shop Philadelphia, original home of Gordon Wilson, I believe D&S Hardware and Electronics Fleck's TV and Appliance Hill Cycle Shop Nicholas Smith, still in business! Pittsburgh, original home of Jerry Matsick and a few others on this list! Bill Trappen. Brentwood Electric Ferry Electric Service Co Pottstown Uptown Sports Shop West Pittston Embleton's Electric Co South Carolina Charleston Wm. S. Anderson Electric Co Greenville Delany's Sporting Goods Tennessee Nashville Austin Electric Shop Texas Houston C.R. Stone Electric Co Vermont Rutland Wilson Sports & Equipment Virginia Alexandria Fagelson Hardware Wisconsin Milwaukee (Milwaukee Brave's days!) Brown Electric Supply Garman Radio and Hobby Canada Winnipeg, Manitoba Sherbrooke hardware Ottawa Earl Gray (I think that is a tea too) Toronto W.J. Redman or Radio Maintenance & Repair (that is how it is listed) Montreal, Quebec Economic Electric, Co., Reg'd Gavin Electric Co Nova Scotia (Listed in bold separate from Canada. I thought Nova Scotia is part of Canada! O:)!) Halifax Popular Specialties, Reg'd. The end, of the usual listings, as of course, most listings, which I did list, where train, toy or hobby Shoppe's. It would be interesting to see how of all these Shoppe's are still in business, as I am sure the percentage is low. I did see a listing of Nassau Hobby on Long Island, which I think is still in business. To those who might remember any of these places, great, as I see at the end of the listing this form is from 1952, 54 years ago. And it does say printed in the U.S.A. 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Group: S-Trains	Message: 40472	From: wc johnson	Date: 5/21/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 3057

Hi Everyone, The H. & S. Pogue Co. in the Carew Tower had both American Flyer and Lionel layouts at Christmas time during the '50s. Between the B & 0 layout at CG&E and Pogue's layout I would be entertained for hours during the Christmas shopping season. My mother was able to get a lot of shopping done because She knew that She could trust me to stay put and behave myself. Bill Johnson S-Trains@yahoogroups.com wrote: 21. Where trains used to be sold - Cincinnati From: "Victor Bereskin" bereskin@... Message 21 From: "Victor Bereskin" bereskin@... Date: Wed May 17, 2006 5:11pm(PDT) Subject: Where trains used to be sold - Cincinnati Golden Rule Electric did not sell trains. It was a radio and small appliance repair shop, located on Race street about a half ablock north of 7th, Golden Rule was the American Flyer parts and repair place in Cincinnati. Stores that did sell American Flyer in Cincinnati were Brendamour's Sproting Goods, Checker Auto, Hirschman's, Don's Hobby Shop, and Shillito's, which was the largest department store downtown. None of these are in existence any more, although Shillito's has, after several mergers into other units of Federated Department Stores, been absorbed into Macy's. The big downtown store was closed many years ago and part of the building has been converted into condominiums. Vic Bereskin --------------------------------- Feel free to call! Free PC-to-PC calls. Low rates on PC-to-Phone. Get Yahoo! Messenger with Voice [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40473	From: wc johnson	Date: 5/21/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 3054

Hello Everyone, I grew up near Cincinnati, Ohio and my Father took my 322 locomotive to Golden Rule Electric company for repairs a couple of times. As I recall they only did repairs there but, there were a couple of large department stores in downtown Cincinnati, OH that sold both American Flyer and Lionel with the usual department store type layouts at Christmas time. There were also Western Auto stores around the area that sold American Flyer. It seems that the Golden Rule Electric Co. is long gone since I could not find a reference to it on Google. One Christmas layout that I remember well was in the corner display window at the John Shillitoe (?spelling) Co. up on 6th street. It was the most elaborate toy train layout that I have ever seen, consisting of both A. C. Gilbert trains and toys and Lionel trains. To start with the corner display window was huge and it was filled with mountains, accessories, bridges and trains. One unique feature was a switch that was rigged up on the window that would cause a train to run when a boy or girl held their hand on the designated spot on the window. This must have been the year that the miner's work train came out because that was what was on the controlled track. Of course everyone wanted to touch the spot and watch Ike and Mike do their stuff. I wish I had a picture of that display. One doesn't see that type of thing anymore. Trains have always been a big thing at Christmas time in Cincinnati. Around the mid '40s the Baltimore and Ohio RR would bring their O scale public relations layout to town and set it up in the lobby of the Cincinnati Gas and Electric Co. It has been a tradition for more than 60 years now. CG&E now Cinergy still sets it up between Thanksgiving and New Years every year. During the '50s they would alternate with B & O's HO scale layout. I was back for a visit at Christmas some years ago and asked the person who was running the layout that day about the HO layout but he didn't seem to know that it even had existed. Bill Johnson S-Trains@yahoogroups.com wrote: ________________________________________________________________________ Message 9 From: "Michael and Linda Marmer" mlmarmer@... Date: Mon May 15, 2006 2:24pm(PDT) Subject: Where trains USED to be sold Okay, on the TTML (TCA Moderated List) list, there has been lots of discussion on where (Lionel) trains should be sold. So, now, I will turn it around, as I have in front of me a American Flyer Authorized Service Station listing for the US. There is no date on this, but Alaska and Hawaii are not mention. Either this list is before 1959 or these states did not have service stations. I will say, that the address for AF in CT has no zip code, just the zone, that remember pre-dated zip codes. So, many of you will remember places like these, but I thought it would be neat to list some of the non hobby Shoppe's that sold trains, pre-chains, of course. Also, they write about that you might need the help of the American Flyer Service Man. Not politically correct today. LOL How many of these places are now out of business? Alabama Mobile Baldwin's Bicycle Shoppe Foster's Appliance Repairs Arizona Tucson Townsend's Radio and Electric Arkansas Little Rock Parsel's California Colonel Bob's (?) Los Angeles Toys for Men (I wont even go what that could be today!)Oakland Hickory Dickory Dollar (Pre-dated all the dollar stores of today?} San Carlos Another Toys for Men! San Francisco (Must of been a chain, the first chain of anything!) CT Bridgeport Benco Appliance Center Blaner's Electronic Shoppe Middletown That is for Amato's which is now Hobby Surplus in New Britain. New Britain The Beacon Store Waterbury Harry's Super Store District of Columbia Tele-Rad Company Florida Frank Whipple's (Maybe the original Mr. Whipple) Jerry Matsick, is he long gone, as it was at 2817 Main St. Miami Orange Blossom Tampa The Pioneer Tire Co. Tampa Photo Supply Georgia Decatur Clark Equipment Co Illinois Chicago Art's Cycle Shop Mid-States Auto Electric Pilot Paint Urbana Durst Cycle Shop Winnetka The Fix-It Shop of Winnetka Indiana Fort Wayne Koehlinger's Highland Ted, the Toy Train Technician (I thought this is interesting) South Bend Frick Radio and Electric Grose's Bike Shop Maine (YEA!) Hub Cycle and Radio Co of Maine Maryland (Yea!) Baltimore French's Inc. Sporting Goods Funk's Variety Store Massachusetts Boston (Yea!) Flint Equipment Co Electrical Appliance Resale Co Michigan Ann Arbor Whizzer Motor Sales (Car dealer?) Detroit Columbia Radio Downtown Train and Camera Lansing Vanderboort Hardware Co Minnesota St. Paul Empire Clock Co Missouri Brandt Electric Co Lionel Radio Service (Someone named Lionel?or a train Shoppe?) Springfield East Radio Service New Hampshire Concord French's Radio Shop Laconia Laconia Hardware New Jersey Bayonne Jo-Art Juvenile Furniture Flemington Decker's Radio Service Hoboken Beacon Auto Supply Nutley Woolward Appliance Center Passaic Grand Auto Supply Union City Rassner Sporting Goods Washington Washington Sporting Goods Woodbury B.B. Morris Tire Co New York Amsterdam The Radio Workshop Brooklyn Alandes Electric Co "The Cabin" That is how it is listed. I have no idea if it WAS more than a hobby store. Fix-All Appliance Shop Glenwood Hardware and Paint Mercury Model Airplane Rothbard Hardware Co Corning Baker's Sporting Goods Farmingdale Udel's Furniture Co Hudson Town Fair Amittyvile, L.I. Tager Auto Stores Bay Shore, L.I. Tager Auto Stores Flushing, L.I. Pleasure Mart, Inc. (wont touch this one either in today's world) Huntington, L.I. Huntington Sport Shop Laurelton, L.I. Lumin's Hardware and Paint Ling Island City Center Radio and Hardware Ozone Park, L.I. Aqueduct Bicycle Shop New York City Approved Appliance Co Phil's Radio Service Rochester (There you go, Joseph Lechner!) Kanzler Electric Co 180 Normandy Ave. North Carolina Rocky Mount Bob's radio Service Ohio Canton Canton Hardware Company The Eclipse Electric Company Cincinnati Golden Rule Electric, Inc. Original Tire Co Toledo Luelf Hardware, Inc. Washington Budd Radio & Sound Service Zanesville, Home of Scott's Lawn Products! No it does not say that! Thomas Electric Co Oregon Eugene, home of the Oregon Ducks! Does not say that either. Brighter Home Service Portland Morrison Electric Service Pennsylvania Bryn Mawr Farman's Jolly Roger Shop Charleroi Ace Auto Shop Indiana Markle's Sporting Goods Glenside Keswick Cycle Co Kingston Kingston Radio and Card Co New Castle Menken's Specialty Shop Philadelphia, original home of Gordon Wilson, I believe D&S Hardware and Electronics Fleck's TV and Appliance Hill Cycle Shop Nicholas Smith, still in business! Pittsburgh, original home of Jerry Matsick and a few others on this list! Bill Trappen. Brentwood Electric Ferry Electric Service Co Pottstown Uptown Sports Shop West Pittston Embleton's Electric Co South Carolina Charleston Wm. S. Anderson Electric Co Greenville Delany's Sporting Goods Tennessee Nashville Austin Electric Shop Texas Houston C.R. Stone Electric Co Vermont Rutland Wilson Sports & Equipment Virginia Alexandria Fagelson Hardware Wisconsin Milwaukee (Milwaukee Brave's days!) Brown Electric Supply Garman Radio and Hobby Canada Winnipeg, Manitoba Sherbrooke hardware Ottawa Earl Gray (I think that is a tea too) Toronto W.J. Redman or Radio Maintenance & Repair (that is how it is listed) Montreal, Quebec Economic Electric, Co., Reg'd Gavin Electric Co Nova Scotia (Listed in bold separate from Canada. I thought Nova Scotia is part of Canada! O:)!) Halifax Popular Specialties, Reg'd. The end, of the usual listings, as of course, most listings, which I did list, where train, toy or hobby Shoppe's. It would be interesting to see how of all these Shoppe's are still in business, as I am sure the percentage is low. I did see a listing of Nassau Hobby on Long Island, which I think is still in business. To those who might remember any of these places, great, as I see at the end of the listing this form is from 1952, 54 years ago. And it does say printed in the U.S.A. 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Group: S-Trains	Message: 40474	From: Phil K	Date: 5/21/2006
Subject: Info on Fall S Fest

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 40475	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 5/21/2006
Subject: Re;The Future of Toy Trains

Roy, That's a good point about the airplanes. However, I think it goes back to today's kids not being interested in the "hands on" hobbies where you have to learn and do more than plug in a CD or a couple of wires. Are they capable of doing more than this? My goodness yes! And there are a few who do have toy or model trains, model cars, airplanes, etc. I talk to them at school or see them in the hobby shop. But it's very few. When I was a kid we were all car crazy. We learned how to hot rod our cars or customize them and did it ourselves. Today the kids take a car to a shop and have all that "fast and furious" stuff stuck on their cars so they look fast. They don't care if the cars are not fast, just so they look it. They're into a "virtual" world. I try to tell kids who are not college bound to go to a vocational or technical school and learn plumbing, heating & cooling or electrical, because their friends don't know how to do this and will pay good money to get it done. (This was stuff WE learned by playing with trains, working on cars, or watching Dad around the house. Stumpy Stone...were we more inquisitive about the world when we were kids?...Martins Ferry, OH.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40476	From: trzp1800	Date: 5/21/2006
Subject: Re: Re;The Future of Toy Trains

Ahhhh, the good 'ol "Future of our Hobby" discussion: Can't resist it this morning so will chime in as well. Expect this indicates i have too much time on my hands today. I think what you are seeing with the kids today is the same thing you saw in your generation and mine. Don't know what your age is, but i think you're a little older than my 51. In either case, as kids, we were fascinated by the new technology of our day. Trains were a big deal. Then electronics became a big deal. Remember Heathkit? I've still got a stobiscopic blacklight i made from one of their kits. I left model trains for first, u-control planes, and then radio control planes then cars and girls. Now i'm back with trains cuz i still had them. (Still have two of my planes in the attic but i can only afford the time for one hobby right now) The kids who get involved in RPGs or simulation games are dealing with very complicated concepts and have to spend a good deal of time with the programs to get good at them. My daughter, now 22, plays SIMS and she's currently on her fourth or fifth generation of characters. Has kept the same game going for two years and has created a whole world in which the "people" she has created interact, evolve and die. It's not that much different from trains, expecially those of us who swear by prototypical operations. There does seem to be a lack of knowledge in my kids and their friends in their ability to repair everyday objects. Fix a light switch, hang a door, but heck, my brother can't do these things either. By the time he came along my Dad had finished out the basement and completed our patio so all the big projects were done where i learned how to wire a circuit, sweat a pipe joint, and finish knotty pine. How many parents today do this kind of stuff so their kids can learn about it? The "hands on" aspect for todays kids is keyboard driven. How many of you could type 50 words a minute when you were 9? You made worlds in the sand box or with "blocks" and had "people" do things in them with toy soldiers, trains, or models of one sort or another. The hand/eye thing is still going on, just with the technology of the current day. Which is what we did. There are plenty of pre-school and elementary school kids who are interested in trains. Thomas has created a huge audience for trains. I think, as F. Zappa put it, "the crux of the biscuit" is getting kids and their parents to want to take the next step and buy an electric train in lieu of going on to some other thing. You have to address the issue of the parents, along with the kids. Most of us didn't get into trains all by ourselves, there was usually an adult, or two, along for the ride. Nuff for now, Ted --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Stumpy Stone" <mrstumpy@...> wrote: > > Roy, That's a good point about the airplanes. However, I think it > goes back to today's kids not being interested in the "hands on" > hobbies where you have to learn and do more than plug in a CD or a > couple of wires. > Are they capable of doing more than this? My goodness yes! And > there are a few who do have toy or model trains, model cars, > airplanes, etc. I talk to them at school or see them in the hobby > shop. But it's very few. > When I was a kid we were all car crazy. We learned how to hot rod > our cars or customize them and did it ourselves. Today the kids take a > car to a shop and have all that "fast and furious" stuff stuck on > their cars so they look fast. They don't care if the cars are not > fast, just so they look it. They're into a "virtual" world. > I try to tell kids who are not college bound to go to a vocational > or technical school and learn plumbing, heating & cooling or > electrical, because their friends don't know how to do this and will > pay good money to get it done. (This was stuff WE learned by playing > with trains, working on cars, or watching Dad around the house. > Stumpy Stone...were we more inquisitive about the world when we were > kids?...Martins Ferry, OH. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40477	From: George Cohn	Date: 5/21/2006
Subject: Re: Re;The Future of Toy Trains

Stumpy Stone wrote: > > I try to tell kids who are not college bound to go to a vocational > or technical school and learn plumbing, heating & cooling or > electrical, because their friends don't know how to do this and will > pay good money to get it done. I'm an "Old Phart" of 60 and have been taking college level computer classes for nearly 10 years. One of my observations is that the classes nearly always start out filled to capacity but by mid semester, usually less than half remain. Why is this? Is it that they lack the skills to learn? Or do they lack the ability to stick with it? Usually the ones who leave seem to be the "gamers". Those who are whizzes at playing games but seem to lack the desire or drive to learn what makes the system tick. Yes, I'm afraid that there will be precious few interested in the toy trains and planes in a few more years. Kids now just seem to need some sort of instant gratification or they move on to something else. George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40478	From: Rick Evans	Date: 5/21/2006
Subject: 7th Annual Flyer Fest West

I got back home just before 1 a.m. this morning after my three hour drive home from Flyer Fest, which is a SHORT drive compared to others! I met Jacques Ollivier and his son, they drove down from Washington State, I met Steve and Sam (or is it Sam and Steve) those Idaho boys from S-'n-S Trains, ........I also met Tom Rolfsmeyer from Arizona (he flew in and boy, were his arms tired! And I apologize Tom, I forget your friends name)......and I CAN'T forget (and Lord knows I try!) Edward G. and his traveling Canadian Embassy. And the usual Northern California group, Ed Eckert, David Dewey , Howard Sheffield (SP?) and I met Jeff Silvera for the first time. Lot's of Flyer to be found at the show, however, I was there mainly to meet some of the chat room folk that would kick me outta chat if I didn't show up THIS year!! I did win a couple of nice SHS rolling stock pieces in the raffle and I finally bought a repro rocket for my rocket launcher car. I hope to add a photo album of the Fest, although I didn't take many photos due to I didn't bring extra batteries for my camera. OOPS! But, Tom R. and Dewey got some shots which I'm sure they will email them to me. Right guys?? You will........won't you? Guys? Hello? To the Northern Calif. group: It's raining down here this morning. Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40479	From: g94a95	Date: 5/21/2006
Subject: Flyer Fest West

WOW!!!! is all I can say about the show this weekend!!!! Im definetly gonna have to be more prepaired for the show next year!!!I wanna say thanx to the folks who put on such a great show with all of their hardwork and time. I was running thin trying to keep up with my 11 year old son who had to see everything 4 times. I think he gets that from me!!! I will try and bring my daughter next year who is Miss Socialite, she can talk to anybody and that will slow down the race pace and I will be able to see things a little slower. Lots of great Flyer to be seen and bought. I was broke in less then an hour. I got lots of great deals on stuff I couldnt live without!!! Plus it was nice just meeting lots of people from the chat room also!! Great bunch of folks and it was nice putting faces with names!! I just wish I had more time off from the RR to spend Sunday too see the layouts etc. I will try to rectify that for next year!! Im already looking forward to next year and would like to say thanx again to all the folks who worked hard for this fun weekend to happen!!! Bill

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40480	From: Gerald Dobbs	Date: 5/21/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 3062

Subject: Where AF was sold. In the "50" one of the largest toy train outlets in the Denver area was Anderson's Toy land at Cherry Creek Shopping center. It was a Lionel repair station, but was also a large outlet for Gilbert toys. I was the repairman at Anderson's from the start, 2 years later I left to follow my civil engineering career. I Purchased a Lionel repair station and all of the stock from Fishers' Hardware. I built several large displays, A Flyer 8' x 15' display running 2 trains, A Lionel 8' x 20' running 5 trains, 6' x 8' HO. All displays run automatic with a push of a start button. Several factory built displays went thru the store, all being sold at Christmas, and being replaced with a new one at the end of Summer. I never dreamed that 50 years later they would have a following as it is today. Some of the stories!! selling 336 for $12. Lionel girls sets $25. most standard gauge. a box full for $2. If only I had known??? Jerry 77-11644

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40481	From: Roy Inman	Date: 5/21/2006
Subject: Re: Re;The Future of Toy Trains

Ah, and therein lies part of the rub. My wife has done considerable study in early childhood development, and has been involved hands on in an early childhood program for more than ten years. She tells me that solid research shows that young children need physical, 3-D objects in their hands to stimulate proper eye-hand coordination. Apparently just jabbing keys on a key board doesn't get it. Further, she says, that if a child does not get this early eye-hand coordination practice, a certain area of the brain does not develop properly, and in fact may never develop properly after that early age time window is closed. Guess what area of the brain that is? According to her, it is the region that helps a person distinguish between right and wrong, between how to balance good vs. bad, judging the character of others, and some other stuff I cannot pronounce. These are not just theories, but apparently the real deal. Would awful, awful tragedies like Columbine have occurred if those perpetrators had played with trains instead of those dark, violent video games and not been so involved in the Goth world? Who can say. All I know is what I read in the newspaper. I don't get my news from Fox TV (or any other network) as many of my younger friends do. I do not recall in decades past seeing the kind of horrible things some kids (a very few, really) do today. For me, the bottom line is that I set up modules or help set them up, at train shows and anywhere that will have me. And I do my admittedly limited best to encourage and interest all comers in this really great hobby of trains. What group is it that says it is better to light a single candle than to stumble in the dark...just my humble candle. Cheers :) Roy Inman www.unionstationphotos.com > From: trzp1800 <trzp1800@...> > Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 14:56:53 +0000 > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Re;The Future of Toy Trains > > > The "hands on" aspect for todays kids is keyboard driven. How many > of you could type 50 words a minute when you were 9? You made worlds > in the sand box or with "blocks" and had "people" do things in them > with toy soldiers, trains, or models of one sort or another. The > hand/eye thing is still going on, just with the technology of the > current day. Which is what we did

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40482	From: beebear	Date: 5/21/2006
Subject: Track and Switches

I have some curved track and switches with controllers left over if anyone would like to do any trading John [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40483	From: Victor Bereskin	Date: 5/21/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 3062

The B&O HO layout was on the second floor at the B&O Museum in Baltimore the last time I was there. I do not know if it survived the roof collapse they had a few years ago. Vic Bereskin > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message 20 > From: "wc johnson" amtrains42@... > Date: Sun May 21, 2006 0:02am(PDT) > Subject: Re: Digest Number 3054 > > > Trains have always been a big thing at Christmas time in Cincinnati. > Around the mid '40s the Baltimore and Ohio RR would bring their O scale > public relations layout to town and set it up in the lobby of the > Cincinnati Gas and Electric Co. It has been a tradition for more than 60 > years now. CG&E now Cinergy still sets it up between Thanksgiving and > New Years every year. During the '50s they would alternate with B & O's > HO scale layout. I was back for a visit at Christmas some years ago and > asked the person who was running the layout that day about the HO layout > but he didn't seem to know that it even had existed. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40484	From: Rick Evans	Date: 5/21/2006
Subject: #969 Rocket Launcher Question

As I mentioned earlier, in my Flyer Fest West post, I bought a repro rocket for my 969 car. I have never ran/run this car, and after cleaning it up a bit, I added the rocket and put it on the track and ran it around. The solenoid is noisy and acts like it wants to do somethin'. I know that there is a track trip (which I don't have) that goes with this car and that makes the rocket blast off (when in position)......right? Is it normal for the solenoid/coil-thingie supposed to be buzzing as the car just goes down the track? Thanks! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40485	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 5/21/2006
Subject: MRN S-Curves column

Hi Folks, The August S-Curves column in Model Railroad News will mark a major shift in emphasis from a product driven approach to a more general discussion of S scale. There are several reasons for this. First of all, the column only comes out every other month and by the time a new product gets announced, it's usually a bit late. Timeliness is important in marketing a new product. Some of our S manufacturers send MRN product notices independent of this column and thereby get mentioned in MRN in a more timely manner. Another reason is that we just don't get a lot of material from the companies for various reasons and I've had to retrieve information including illustrations from the internet. This leads to a problem that is presented to the magazine in that often the resolution of these pictures is too low for faithful reproduction. Many pictures just can't be published as is. A notable exception to this is SHS. They mail me CD's with new product annoucements including high-res pictures. I really appreciate that sort of input. Here's where you come in. Since it will be a whole new ball game, I need your help in these areas: 1- Club news - This could include your website addresses and newsletters. Along with that would be your permission, of course, to publish the material in MRN. 2- Show or convention info including any websites or flyers. 3- New Products - I still will do important product announcements. The difference will be that it will be on an as-received basis, not from my raiding the internet. 4- Comments – Since I'll be doing more commentary, I hope that you'll comment on whatever you agree or disagree with or if you want to add anything. Hope to hear from you. Roy Hoffman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40486	From: trzp1800	Date: 5/21/2006
Subject: Re: Re;The Future of Toy Trains

Hi Roy: You and your wife are both right that young children need 3-D stimulation in order for their brains to evolve properly. Keep in mind, the largest portion of this development is in the first two years post partum and most of it is completed by the time we're 4-6 years old. Shortly after birth the brain's axons begin extending and developing a web of dendrites which reachout to other neurons and form a web of synapses allowing individual neurons to connect with their fellows and begin the wonderful process of "thinking". There are over 10 to the 15th power synapses in an average adult's brain. Some of the latest research on alzhiemers indicates that growth of synapses may never stop, but the "big bang" is over by about 6 years old. The part of the brain associated with coordinated movement is the cellebellum, that lump at the lower back of your skull. The part that governs voluntary movement, i.e. model building, is just in front of the perietal lobe, in the middle top of your brain. The part which governs "thought" and "judgement" and "conscience" is the frontal lobe, right behind that lovely high forehead we all have. They each need their own type of stimulation in order to reach their potential, and there are millions of ways to get this stimulation. Stimulating one portion of the brain can lead to stimulation of other portions of the brain, on so on. It's a wonderfully interconnected neural net. So, does this mean that if i put my kids in a closet and fill it full of trains they'll turn out to be well adjusted adults who can screw in a light bulb? I doubting it. It's a BALANCED amount of stimulation that best leads to a fully developed brain. Touch, taste, smell, sight and smell all need to be put into gear. A healthy dose of love, affection and unconditional support are also critical. These little kid critters need to know that if they REALLY screw up we adults will still love them and care for them. Even if we are P.O.'d about what they did. Otherwise they'll be afraid on the consequences instead of intriged at the possibilities. Trains, dolls, computers, TV, movies, dancing, digging, sewing, basketball, are all good things to do, as long as any one of them isn't ALL you do. The conceptualizing required by RPG and simulation games can be very complex, and because the computer, or others, have input into them, you have to learn to react to "random" events and deal with the consequences. Kinda like life. Are some of the games violent? Yes. How many of you played cowboys and indians and "killed" each other when you were kids? How many role played being in the army or navy or air force and "killed" the enemy? What did you learn from those games? Something else besides teh games we played when we were young goes into the equation to make a person think it is right to do harm to another, especially a random other. Our species has always had violence in its social groups and between social groups. Goth and video games don't explain Joe Jones and his "cool aid". Think random violence is a new thing? Ever read Truman Capote's "In Cold Blood"? and of course there's Jack the Ripper? I don't know why someone decides they have the right to take someone else's life because they are unhappy with their own life. I suspect more toy trains when they were younger or no video games when they were a teenager isn't the answer. I do suspect that the ease of getting a gun and using it to harm someone does but that's probably better discussed in another forum or off line. But, i do think trains are a nice diversion in life. You can learn a lot from them and they are a hobby worth pursuing. It's a great way for an adult and a child to share their time together. So i'll pursue it, and tell others why it's fun for me, and might be for them. Regard'S', Ted

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40487	From: trzp1800	Date: 5/21/2006
Subject: Re: #969 Rocket Launcher Question

Hi Rick: The solenoid should only receive power when you are connected to the "3rd rail". The rest of the time it should be silent. In this order check for, metal wheels on the truck that has the 3rd rail pickup (should only be plastic wheels on this truck), a bad isolation washer on the truck with the pickup arm, bent tab or bare wire on the solinoid wiring allowing it to pickup power from another part of the frame or a short in the solinoid. That's all i can think of, these things are pretty simple, that's why most are still in working condition. I'm sure you can get it working again with a little fiddling. Regard'S', Ted

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40488	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 5/21/2006
Subject: Sunday Chat, 5/21/2006, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 40489	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 5/21/2006
Subject: Re: Re;The Future of Toy Trains

A.C. Gilbert worked over my brain very well thank you. I had a chemistry set but did poorly in High School Chemistry. I had a microscope set but did poorly in Biology and I had an Erector set so I could fix anything but still did poorly in Physics. The good news is that my math, history and english was good enough to get into college and become an architect so the American Flyer trains must have helped in those areas. Glenn (still playing at Belfry Station) http://www.ramshillfarm.com/GlennRitter/Family/ModelRR/Belfry.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "trzp1800" <trzp1800@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2006 6:05 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Re;The Future of Toy Trains > Hi Roy: > > You and your wife are both right that young children need 3-D > stimulation in order for their brains to evolve properly. Keep in > mind, the largest portion of this development is in the first two > years post partum and most of it is completed by the time we're 4-6 > years old. Shortly after birth the brain's axons begin extending and > developing a web of dendrites which reachout to other neurons and > form a web of synapses allowing individual neurons to connect with > their fellows and begin the wonderful process of "thinking". There > are over 10 to the 15th power synapses in an average adult's brain. > Some of the latest research on alzhiemers indicates that growth of > synapses may never stop, but the "big bang" is over by about 6 years > old. > > The part of the brain associated with coordinated movement is the > cellebellum, that lump at the lower back of your skull. The part that > governs voluntary movement, i.e. model building, is just in front of > the perietal lobe, in the middle top of your brain. The part which > governs "thought" and "judgement" and "conscience" is the frontal > lobe, right behind that lovely high forehead we all have. They each > need their own type of stimulation in order to reach their potential, > and there are millions of ways to get this stimulation. Stimulating > one portion of the brain can lead to stimulation of other portions of > the brain, on so on. It's a wonderfully interconnected neural net. > > So, does this mean that if i put my kids in a closet and fill it full > of trains they'll turn out to be well adjusted adults who can screw > in a light bulb? I doubting it. It's a BALANCED amount of stimulation > that best leads to a fully developed brain. Touch, taste, smell, > sight and smell all need to be put into gear. A healthy dose of love, > affection and unconditional support are also critical. These little > kid critters need to know that if they REALLY screw up we adults will > still love them and care for them. Even if we are P.O.'d about what > they did. Otherwise they'll be afraid on the consequences instead of > intriged at the possibilities. > > Trains, dolls, computers, TV, movies, dancing, digging, sewing, > basketball, are all good things to do, as long as any one of them > isn't ALL you do. The conceptualizing required by RPG and simulation > games can be very complex, and because the computer, or others, have > input into them, you have to learn to react to "random" events and > deal with the consequences. Kinda like life. Are some of the games > violent? Yes. How many of you played cowboys and indians and "killed" > each other when you were kids? How many role played being in the army > or navy or air force and "killed" the enemy? What did you learn from > those games? Something else besides teh games we played when we were > young goes into the equation to make a person think it is right to do > harm to another, especially a random other. > > Our species has always had violence in its social groups and between > social groups. Goth and video games don't explain Joe Jones and > his "cool aid". Think random violence is a new thing? Ever read > Truman Capote's "In Cold Blood"? and of course there's Jack the > Ripper? I don't know why someone decides they have the right to take > someone else's life because they are unhappy with their own life. I > suspect more toy trains when they were younger or no video games when > they were a teenager isn't the answer. I do suspect that the ease of > getting a gun and using it to harm someone does but that's probably > better discussed in another forum or off line. > > But, i do think trains are a nice diversion in life. You can learn a > lot from them and they are a hobby worth pursuing. It's a great way > for an adult and a child to share their time together. So i'll pursue > it, and tell others why it's fun for me, and might be for them. > > Regard'S', > Ted > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40490	From: Rick Evans	Date: 5/21/2006
Subject: Re: #969 Rocket Launcher Question

Keith Kuzma set me straight There was too many metal wheels! The track-trip side isn't supposed to have any. I got it this way and like I said, I've never ran it. Running now........and no bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. And thanks Ted & Alex for replying also....but Keith wins the cookie. Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40491	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 5/21/2006
Subject: Re: The passing of an A. C. Gilbert employee

Steve, If you do have more information on Mr. Navarre, please let us know, as I am interested in his life with AF and anything else you want to include. As you might re-call, we just lost Bob Tufts, a person with great knowledge about AF and the company. We have to remember the people like Mr. Navarre and Mr. Tufts before it is completely forgotten. Mike Marmer

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40492	From: Rick Evans	Date: 5/21/2006
Subject: Fw: [S-Trains] #969 Rocket Launcher Question

Grammer check!! "There WERE, too many wheels." Rick. Keith Kuzma set me straight There was too many metal wheels! The track-trip side isn't supposed to have any. I got it this way and like I said, I've never ran it. Running now........and no bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. And thanks Ted & Alex for replying also....but Keith wins the cookie. Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40493	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 5/21/2006
Subject: Re: #969 Rocket Launcher Question

Rick..... I have never tried mine, but the solidoid shouldn't activate or be even energised until the connection with the track trip is made and the button pushed to allow current to activate it..... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Evans" <bassflyer@...> To: "STrains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2006 2:35 PM Subject: [S-Trains] #969 Rocket Launcher Question > As I mentioned earlier, in my Flyer Fest West post, I bought a repro > rocket for my 969 car. I have never ran/run this car, and after cleaning > it up a bit, > I added the rocket and put it on the track and ran it around. > The solenoid is noisy and acts like it wants to do somethin'. > I know that there is a track trip (which I don't have) that goes with this > car > and that makes the rocket blast off (when in position)......right? > > Is it normal for the solenoid/coil-thingie supposed to be buzzing as the > car > just goes down the track? > > Thanks! > > Rick. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40494	From: t.hawley	Date: 5/21/2006
Subject: American Models 4-8-4, was Re: [S-Trains] AM Hudson

----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert E. Yablonski" <yabo1@...> AM Models states: Fully compatible with AF 20" radius track. My two will not negotiate either AM track or SHS track. They both get stuck in the curves. > > > > > > > > > . I've had some off-the-record e-correspondence with Bob, and he confirms, as I suspected, that he meant 4-8-4 Northern, and that his are the scale version. I asked Ron Bashista once about the minimum radius for the scale version. I don't remember the specific number he gave me, but it was greater that the broadest available AM curved sectional track. I commented on that and he said "Nobody runs scale on sectional track." Not true, of course. I don't know what the solution is for Bob, other than to restrict it to the broadest curves of his layout, if he has any. Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40495	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 5/21/2006
Subject: Re: Re;The Future of Toy Trains

I too, was one of those who had a A.C. Gilbert chemistry set and did poorly in high school chemistry! LOL I remember the Bee in the tube, the weird thick clear gel, the blue dye, and the booklet for experiments. And yes, the electric lighting for the microscope. One experiment I remember well, was to soak some lettuce in water and look at the water in a week. Well, that was great, seeing all the neat single cell things. I decided to leave the lettuce in the water for a month or so. Well, I created things that could take over the world, as the nice looking single cells things became monster long worms that looked horrible with fury arms along the body. Now I will have nightmares about this. Thanks allot Glenn! LOL Mike Marmer

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40496	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 5/21/2006
Subject: Re: Since No One Makes Them.

----- Original Message ----- From: "Lennis Hall" <len_hall@...> . . . . . . I got my Gunderson well cars from Des Plains. . . . . . . . > > > > > > Yes, that red CRLE car is an S Scale America car, available from DPH, and not an MTH car. I don't know why I thought that. My mistake. Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40497	From: Don Thompson	Date: 5/22/2006
Subject: Re: American Models 4-8-4, was Re: [S-Trains] AM Hudson

Dear Tom, He could do like what they did on the real trains when tight curves were a problem. Use the hirail blind drivers on drivers 2 & 3. Blind drivers were wider than the flanged on the prototype Best, Don t.hawley wrote: >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Robert E. Yablonski" <yabo1@...> > AM Models states: Fully compatible with AF 20" radius track. My two >will not negotiate either AM track or SHS track. They both get stuck in >the curves. > > >>>>>>>>>>. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >I've had some off-the-record e-correspondence with Bob, and he confirms, as >I suspected, that he meant 4-8-4 Northern, and that his are the scale >version. > >I asked Ron Bashista once about the minimum radius for the scale version. I >don't remember the specific number he gave me, but it was greater that the >broadest available AM curved sectional track. I commented on that and he >said "Nobody runs scale on sectional track." Not true, of course. > >I don't know what the solution is for Bob, other than to restrict it to the >broadest curves of his layout, if he has any. > >Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan > > > > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >Enjoy thousands of great photos >at http://S-Scale.org/albums >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40498	From: SnSTrains@aol.com	Date: 5/22/2006
Subject: Flyer Fest West 2006

Wow, this was the best FFW ever. Nether Sam or I ever had the opportunity to go looking or visiting other dealers at the show. From the moment the doors opened at 10 AM on Saturday until closing time the only time away from our tables was the clinic I gave at 1:30. It was straight back to the tables from there. Neither one of us had lunch. It was really terrific meeting lots of new people and re-visiting with old friends. I never dreamed we would ever be this busy at a train show. If we weren't answering questions or operating/displaying one of our items we were bagging up items for folks. Lucky for us that there was a little time between set up and the doors opening for us to at least look into all of the rooms to see what might be in there. To Don and Ed and Bruce and all the others that worked so hard to get this show on the road we say "thanks" for a job well done. Next year we would like to see the show all in one grand ballroom or hall instead of broken up into four separate rooms. I thing the time is right to look for greater and greater participation and set the sights another click or two on the elevation. Thanks again to all organizers and participants. It seemed we had fun at the clinic and Ralph Kessler of Tucson Arizona was the winner of the "what is this" puzzler that I presented to all. He was in fact the only person to correctly identify it. Good show Ralph, and don't get any of that grease on your hands. Steve S-'n-S Trains American Flyer replacement can motors S-Gauge Videos American Flyer repair S and O gauge track cleaners 3239 Pepperwood Dr. Boise, Idaho 83704 208-376-1159 SnStrains@... www.s-scaletrains.com/s-n-s/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40499	From: reynoldsjmus	Date: 5/22/2006
Subject: future of toy trains

as an original nasg member in 1961 and with few lapses continuing til now, i have heard it all. but the new thread about children is a bit off. while the comments about lack of hands on is probably correct for the majority of kids, there is a decent group of kids that love to build stuff and in fact most college engineering schools now require some building activity. my club of 35 people has 2 college students. maybe not a huge groundswell, but enuf to keep our great hobby going. dale reynolds, pendleton sc.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40500	From: louis glumac	Date: 5/22/2006
Subject: Re: #969 Rocket Launcher Question

hi,,,,,check your wheels, maybe they have the brass wheels on both tracks at once, i had a car with them on backwards once,and when you hit the track trip button the engine would start moving,,,,,,,,,lou ----- Original Message ----- From: "ROBERT ALLEN CONNER" <rcon7@...> To: "STrains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; "Rick Evans" <bassflyer@...> Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2006 9:11 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] #969 Rocket Launcher Question > Rick..... I have never tried mine, but the solidoid shouldn't activate or > be > even energised until the connection with the track trip is made and the > button pushed to allow current to activate it..... Bob > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rick Evans" <bassflyer@...> > To: "STrains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2006 2:35 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] #969 Rocket Launcher Question > > >> As I mentioned earlier, in my Flyer Fest West post, I bought a repro >> rocket for my 969 car. I have never ran/run this car, and after cleaning >> it up a bit, >> I added the rocket and put it on the track and ran it around. >> The solenoid is noisy and acts like it wants to do somethin'. >> I know that there is a track trip (which I don't have) that goes with >> this >> car >> and that makes the rocket blast off (when in position)......right? >> >> Is it normal for the solenoid/coil-thingie supposed to be buzzing as the >> car >> just goes down the track? >> >> Thanks! >> >> Rick. >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> >> >> >> >> S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com >> All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! >> >> Enjoy thousands of great photos >> at http://S-Scale.org/albums >> Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40501	From: Roy Inman	Date: 5/22/2006
Subject: Re: future of toy trains

Yep, Dale, I would tend to agree with you. To paraphrase Mark Twain, "the prediction of the death of our great hobby has been greatly exaggerated." IMHO, there will always be some contingent of railfans, and rail modelers. After the generation is gone that actually remembers the classic years of prototype railroading as well as those of toy trains, it may come down to a relatively few participants, such as those who adore old sailing vessels. I am a fan of the tall masted critters myself, so I am not slamming here. But there just ain't many folks of that persuasion, especially here in land-locked Kansas. Cheers :) Roy Inman > From: reynoldsjmus <reynoldsdale@...> > Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 14:25:39 +0000 > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] future of toy trains > > as an original nasg member in 1961 and with few lapses continuing til > now, i have heard it all. but the new thread about children is a bit > off. while the comments about lack of hands on is probably correct for > the majority of kids, there is a decent group of kids that love to > build stuff and in fact most college engineering schools now require > some building activity. my club of 35 people has 2 college students. > maybe not a huge groundswell, but enuf to keep our great hobby going. > dale reynolds, pendleton sc.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40502	From: Keith Blanchard	Date: 5/22/2006
Subject: Pine Canyon News Advert

Hi Gang, We finally have pics posted for our new Machine Shop and Boiler House kits through this link http://www.pinecanyonscalemodels.com/s- scalekits.htm These are the corrugated steel roof version. They should start shipping near the end of this month. The same structures with tile roofs are scheduled a few weeks later. These structures can fit just about anywhere. Still working on the instructions, Keith Blanchard

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40503	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 5/22/2006
Subject: Re: CALENDARS

Will the person who sent me a airplane calendar for a train calendar please contact me off list. Mike ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97,501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40504	From: Roy Inman	Date: 5/22/2006
Subject: Re: Software to make card stock building fronts ?

Hi all; I was rather astonished at this web site. IMHO, it is worth a peek. There are actually FREE downloads of some very interesting structures made from card stock. And others that can be purchased for a couple of bucks. Can't even buy a gallon of gas for that little in these parts. While the drawings are sized in HO, N or Z only, seems to me a simple matter to just open them in Photoshop or a similar image editing software and resize as necessary. Or print them out and take to Kinko's or wherever for resizing. Several ways to get them to 1/64th. For the scale folks, the detailing of some of the structures might serve towards the back of a layout. For others, they might work as built. The drawings have a rather loose, artistic feel to them, something like what might be seen on an Sn3 layout. Cheers :) Roy Inman www.unionstationphotos.com >> Here's a paper model site I intend to try: >> >> http://www.fiddlersgreen.net/ >> >> It looks like they offer a freebie or two. Has anybody used this? >> >> Rich > > > > > > > > > To Sub/Unsub, review files/archives, or change mail options go to; > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MarxTrain > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40505	From: NASG Library	Date: 5/22/2006
Subject: Re: AF whistle control for #314AW

Ken Spahr wrote: > I just got a #314AW with rebuilt whistle control, one red wire, one > black. How do you hook it up? Thanks, Ken Spahr, 99R0204E, reply tp > kenspahr@... <mailto:kenspahr@...>, Thanks, Ken S. > Ken -- The 314AW is a special case. It is the only AF loco with a motorized whistle unit. The other whistling locos (including the 315) used radio technoligy for their whistles. The Mobley Library's repair/maintenance manual does not contain a wiring diagram for the 314AW whistle controller. I am placing this message on the Yahoo S-trains e-group (S-Trains@yahoogroups.com). There are some extremely knowlegdeable people on that e-list, and I'm certain that at least one of them will have an answer for you. If you are not a member of the Yahoo S-trains e-group, it's easy to sign up. Just go to groups.yahoo.com and follow the instructions. Dick Karnes, Librarian Rueesll M. Mobley Memorial Library NASG Inc. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40506	From: SnSTrains@aol.com	Date: 5/22/2006
Subject: "S-Gauge Model Railroading" video series

We have a few volume II, III, and IV of the S-gauge series video tapes left . We are closing them out at $12 ppd. They will be sold in the order e-mails or phone calls are received. It is unlikely that any more tapes will be made. All volumes, including any future volumes will still be available on DVD. Thanks for all the past support. Steve S-'n-S Trains American Flyer replacement can motors S-Gauge Videos American Flyer repair S and O gauge track cleaners 3239 Pepperwood Dr. Boise, Idaho 83704 208-376-1159 SnStrains@... www.s-scaletrains.com/s-n-s/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40507	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 5/22/2006
Subject: Re: AF whistle control for #314AW

Is your whistle control the heavy black one that has a toggle sw on it? Or is it the one that has a metal box with a tube in it? The black one has 3 wires from it a Green, a white & a yellow This is from the K-Line book Page 52 Mike ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97,501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40508	From: race944t	Date: 5/22/2006
Subject: Re: The passing of an A. C. Gilbert employee

Doc was a very interesting man. I have been to his house several times. He had the view that anything he repainted, repaired or touched was still "factory" and didn't need a TCA refurb sticker since he was an official repair shop. I will say, his work was very good and boy did he know his stuff when it came to repairs. One of the last times I was there, he told me of someone who would come by maybe once a month, or more often, and quiz him on things and had been doing this for quite some time. He said this individual was going to write a comprehensive repair manual. I also know that Doc had an extensive collection of repair note and short cuts that would make the readers of this list VERY happy. He was also a wealth of "variation" knowledge. If anyone knows who the person was that kept going to see him to get information, they should get them to become members of this group. I'm going to the Atlanta Terminus chapter of TCA in a couple of weeks so if the Atlanta S-trains members can't figure this out, I'll ask around. I hope that whomever it was that has a lot of Doc's information will share it. Hopefully they will or are members of this group. If not, maybe they can rush the book to press so we can all benefit sooner rather than later. I'm sure there will be a scramble to see who will end up with all of Doc's trains, parts and information. I sorry the Gilbert community has lost yet another valuable resource. Bill Clark "Banker Bill" --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Steve & Cathy Pendleton" <bestofbreed@...> wrote: > > Pardon me if this has already been on the list. I don't get to keep > up with it daily. > > Two weeks ago Robert "Doc" Navarre of Buchanan, GA passed away. I > believe he was 76. He was last, a geology professor at West Georgia > College in the same town. His first and greatest love, however, was > American Flyer trains. He was the Southeastern field engineer for > American Flyer from the early 50's ('53, I believe) to early 60's, > when he bought a train store in Decatur, GA. His repair station was > the only official "corporate" Gilbert facility in existence (I > believe he told me one time.) > > Doc still had a large collection, including a lot of rare pieces and > a department store layout from the factory, on which he tested > trains. Until a year or so ago, he repaired trains daily for people > all over the country. Several of us in the metro Atlanta area would > get together and go see him every few months. His mind remained > razor-sharp until less than a year ago, when congestive heart > failure set in. He always told us that every year since 1976 was > "gravy" for him, that he had a heart attack at that time which > certainly should have killed him, he said. > > Doc was an accomplished organist. He had an old Hammond organ with > huge Leslie speaker cabinet, that he loved to play at full volume > for us. I believe he played at the Fox Theater in Atlanta several > times. > > We wanted him to share his stories with other Flyer enthusiasts (the > TCA Convention in Chattanooga, TN comes to mind) but he was always > reluctant to do so. He did attend our Terminus Chapter meets in > Norcross, GA with us, until about three years ago when his health > prevented him from traveling. > > If there is further interest in Doc's biography, let me know and I > will collect all the info. I can on his life and pass it on to the > group. > > Best regards, > > Steve Pendleton > > Canton, GA > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40509	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 5/22/2006
Subject: Re: Software to make card stock building fronts ?

The Fiddlers green site is really nice...... I have been looking at their planes for years........ A lot of their stuff has a English flavor...... Remember when you get a PDF, and I send them out about every day as an Architect, when you enlarge them from the scale they are at, the lines get heavier. Take an area and blow it up by several hundred % and all you will see for lines is a grid of black squares..... you can convert back using a free vector - raster program but when the squares are averaged..... you get some errors..... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roy Inman" <rinphoto@...> To: "S-Scale" <S-Scale@yahoogroups.com>; "S-trains" <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 2:48 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Software to make card stock building fronts ? > Hi all; > I was rather astonished at this web site. IMHO, it is worth a peek. > There are actually FREE downloads of some very interesting structures made > from card stock. And others that can be purchased for a couple of bucks. > Can't even buy a gallon of gas for that little in these parts. > While the drawings are sized in HO, N or Z only, seems to me a simple > matter > to just open them in Photoshop or a similar image editing software and > resize as necessary. Or print them out and take to Kinko's or wherever for > resizing. Several ways to get them to 1/64th. > For the scale folks, the detailing of some of the structures might serve > towards the back of a layout. For others, they might work as built. The > drawings have a rather loose, artistic feel to them, something like what > might be seen on an Sn3 layout. > Cheers :) > Roy Inman > www.unionstationphotos.com > >>> Here's a paper model site I intend to try: >>> >>> http://www.fiddlersgreen.net/ >>> >>> It looks like they offer a freebie or two. Has anybody used this? >>> >>> Rich >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> To Sub/Unsub, review files/archives, or change mail options go to; >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MarxTrain >> Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40510	From: Charles E. Smith	Date: 5/22/2006
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} S MOD

The Rochester Area S Gaugers have interfaced our S-Mod corner modules with straight modules built by the Western NY S Gaugers at a train show in Buffalo about a year or so ago. We both use track with code 148 rails to handle scale , hi-rail and Flyer.. There was, as I recall, a wiring glitch that was a non event, because it was quickly overcome via clip leads. Note that dual mainline track center to center dimension, bridge rail length and rail top height were all to S mod std. so there were no problems in making the hookup. Our oldest modules are now about 13 or so years old. On my website below are some pictures dating back to 1993. We set up for usually 4 shows a year, so we've probably done over 50 setups and teardowns. Wow! The over 50 setups surprised me when I estimated it. No wonder the modules (and operators ;<) sometimes need a little maintenance. Trackwork has held up great. Chuck Smith, On matters of style swim with the current. On matters of substance stand like a rock. Thos. Jefferson (may be paraphrased) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roy Inman" <rinphoto@...> To: "bbbogart56" <bbbogart56@...>; <S-Scale@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 7:25 PM Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} S MOD > > > > Alright already! How many of you that are against S Mod Standards in > > favor of Fre Mo have actually built ANY modules? This is quite a > > thread about nothing! If you don't like one build the other. Let's > > have a show of hands from those that have actually gotten together > > with others and put modules together for a good time running trains? > > Bruce > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40511	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 5/22/2006
Subject: Re;re;The Future of Toy Trains;S Gauge

Okay, I agree that the hobby will never totally die out. However, the hobby as we know it now will probably not outlive those of us in it today. While we're discussing the future... I think that the future of S Gauge will see a increasing move away from American Flyer and toward the modern manufacturers' products. I say this because there is only a finite supply of old Flyer and Flyer enthusiasts and it no longer looks or runs up to the standards expected today which makes it less appealing to newbies. I'm sure this won't go down well in some quarters, but there it is. What do you think? Stumpy Stone...maverick thinker in Appalachia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40512	From: Darrell Smith	Date: 5/23/2006
Subject: Re: Software to make card stock building fronts ?

Thanks Bob. Now I know why I like to copy the PDF images to a Corel file and do the image modifications there. I want to create some of my own "cardstock" buildings from my prototype, and have been collecting images of windows, brick patterns, sidings, slate and wood shingle roofing, etc. for that purpose. Hopefully sometime when I have some spare time I can actually do something with these files..... Darrell --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "ROBERT ALLEN CONNER" <rcon7@...> wrote: > > The Fiddlers green site is really nice...... I have been looking at their > planes for years........ A lot of their stuff has a English flavor...... > Remember when you get a PDF, and I send them out about every day as an > Architect, when you enlarge them from the scale they are at, the lines get > heavier. Take an area and blow it up by several hundred % and all you will > see for lines is a grid of black squares..... you can convert back using a > free vector - raster program but when the squares are averaged..... you get > some errors..... Bob > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Roy Inman" <rinphoto@...> > To: "S-Scale" <S-Scale@yahoogroups.com>; "S-trains" > <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 2:48 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Software to make card stock building fronts ? > > > > Hi all; > > I was rather astonished at this web site. IMHO, it is worth a peek. > > There are actually FREE downloads of some very interesting structures made > > from card stock. And others that can be purchased for a couple of bucks. > > Cheers :) > > Roy Inman > > www.unionstationphotos.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40513	From: Roy Inman	Date: 5/23/2006
Subject: Re: Re;re;The Future of Toy Trains;S Gauge

Stumpy, you took the words right out of my mouth :) I love the old Flyer stuff, but darn it, since I have gotten my hands on some of that SHS, AM and even some of the Flyonel, I find it impossible to spend those hard-earned dollars on older technology, nostalgically appealing though it is. Roy Inman Right alongside the maverick thinker... > From: Stumpy Stone <mrstumpy@...> > Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 02:21:00 +0000 > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] Re;re;The Future of Toy Trains;S Gauge > > Okay, I agree that the hobby will never totally die out. However, the > hobby as we know it now will probably not outlive those of us in it > today. While we're discussing the future... > I think that the future of S Gauge will see a increasing move away > from American Flyer and toward the modern manufacturers' products. I > say this because there is only a finite supply of old Flyer and Flyer > enthusiasts and it no longer looks or runs up to the standards > expected today which makes it less appealing to newbies. I'm sure > this won't go down well in some quarters, but there it is. > What do you think? > Stumpy Stone...maverick thinker in Appalachia. > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40514	From: hellonc99	Date: 5/23/2006
Subject: Re: Where Trains Used To Be Sold - Pittsburgh

Hi Bob, I didn't ride the Castle Shannon route very often as I recall. We lived off of Warrington Ave in Allentown and mainly rode the 48 Arlington, 44 Knoxville, and 49 Beltzhover. Used to also ride the Knoxville Incline (until they tore it down)to SouthSide. It's fun to remember the 'good old days'. Tom --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "ROBERT ALLEN CONNER" <rcon7@...> wrote: > > TOM..... Rember the ride to Castle Shannon?..... Bob

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40515	From: David Dewey	Date: 5/23/2006
Subject: RE Future of Toy Trains & mechanical Knowledge

I don't have much to add to this discussion, but I am amazed at both the depth and width of knowledge of this group. How many other groups would have a side discussion of the formation of synapses and neural nets?? Hmm, maybe this proves the more intellectual folks had ACG!!! :) (ie: My trains 'r better'n yours!) S' David D. PS, I learned my basic electricty from playing with trains, which forced me to read about electricity so I could make things work! Hmm, so when you push the doorbell, the side window trips open at my house. . .. :)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40516	From: Howard Sheffield	Date: 5/23/2006
Subject: Re: 7th Annual Flyer Fest West

Hi Rick Judy and I just got home from Flyer Fest West today and we can say it was a great show for us. We enjoyed seeing you and many others there again and meeting new friends. Hopefully more people will plan on coming to next years Fest which will be in the Sacramento region. I agree that Ed and his Canadian flags establishing the area around his SUV as Canadian Embassy territory was a hoot. Should we discuss the cans he handed out!! The shows weren't just at the hotel though. I still can see you and Ed learning to eat a salad with chopsticks at the restaurant we all went to. Hopefully we will see pictures from you and others soon. Howard Howard' S Trains On May 21, 2006, at 9:47 AM, Rick Evans wrote: > I got back home just before 1 a.m. this morning after my three hour > drive home > from Flyer Fest, which is a SHORT drive compared to others! > > I met Jacques Ollivier and his son, they drove down from Washington > State, I met > Steve and Sam (or is it Sam and Steve) those Idaho boys from S-'n-S > Trains, > ........I also met Tom Rolfsmeyer from Arizona (he flew in and boy, > were his arms tired! And I apologize Tom, > I forget your friends name)......and > I CAN'T forget (and Lord knows I try!) Edward G. and his traveling > Canadian Embassy. > > And the usual Northern California group, Ed Eckert, David Dewey , > Howard Sheffield (SP?) > and I met Jeff Silvera for the first time. > > Lot's of Flyer to be found at the show, however, I was there mainly to > meet some of the chat room folk > that would kick me outta chat if I didn't show up THIS year!! > > I did win a couple of nice SHS rolling stock pieces in the raffle and > I finally bought a repro rocket > for my rocket launcher car. > > I hope to add a photo album of the Fest, although I didn't take many > photos due to > I didn't bring extra batteries for my camera. OOPS! > But, Tom R. and Dewey got some shots which I'm sure they will email > them to me. > Right guys?? You will........won't you? Guys? Hello? > > To the Northern Calif. group: It's raining down here this morning. > > > Rick. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40517	From: Brigadier Scottish Shop	Date: 5/23/2006
Subject: Old Fashioned Rheostats

Does anyone know of a source for the big old fashioned rheostats that were used to control our trains in the 1950's? I would like to build a simple controller. Thanks, John Harvey

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40518	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 5/23/2006
Subject: Re: RE Future of Toy Trains & mechanical Knowledge

The best decision that ACG made that had it's effect right up to today was to go with 2-rail track. It required more electrical knowledge than 3-rail track. Therein lies the curse that JLC put on todays O gaugers. He didn't want to confuse the masses with technology so he stayed with 3-rail. Today we do indeed have beautiful equipment being turned out by SHS, AM, etc. So do the O gaugers. Alas though, that modern O gauge stuff is beautifully done like S, but still sits on 3-rail track......Ugh! Roy --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "David Dewey" <djdewey@...> wrote: > > I don't have much to add to this discussion, but I am amazed at both the > depth and width of knowledge of this group. How many other groups would have > a side discussion of the formation of synapses and neural nets?? > Hmm, maybe this proves the more intellectual folks had ACG!!! :) > (ie: My trains 'r better'n yours!) > S' > David D. > PS, I learned my basic electricty from playing with trains, which forced me > to read about electricity so I could make things work! > Hmm, so when you push the doorbell, the side window trips open at my house. > . .. :) >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40519	From: Phil K	Date: 5/23/2006
Subject: Re: RE Future of Toy Trains & mechanical Knowledge

Great point, Roy. I don't think JLC ever envisioned his track on fully-senicked layouts. Like Flyer, it was designed to be nailed to green-painted plywood or plopped on a rug. And so today, I always thank my lucky stars that I was Christmas-gifted an American Flyer set in 1951 when I see those photos of highly-detailed Lionel layouts in CTT. No matter how "realistic" they are, and no matter whether the rivit counts are correct in "scale O" -- it still looks phony to me with that silly middle rail -- whether they paint it black or not. And might I add how wonderful it is to have to make a decision of choosing from so many options in S, from Don's S-Trax to Ron's AM track and all the others. Long live S! Phil K --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Roy Hoffman" <rhoffman@...> wrote: > > The best decision that ACG made that had it's effect right up to today > was to go with 2-rail track. It required more electrical knowledge > than 3-rail track. Therein lies the curse that JLC put on todays O > gaugers. He didn't want to confuse the masses with technology so he > stayed with 3-rail. Today we do indeed have beautiful equipment being > turned out by SHS, AM, etc. So do the O gaugers. Alas though, that > modern O gauge stuff is beautifully done like S, but still sits on > 3-rail track......Ugh! > > Roy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40520	From: Michael Stanton	Date: 5/23/2006
Subject: FFW 2006

It was great to see such a good turn out for Flyer Fest West this year. Steve's clinic on diesel locomotives: their problems and solutions was both informative and entertaining and his depth of knowledge is impressive. Audience participation in both clinics helped those of us who are less knowledgeable a great deal. In addition to having such a great selection of American Flyer available in one spot, the social aspects of meeting old and new enthusiasts, collectors, and operators makes for a great weekend. Most of the sellers and buyers that I talked with were happy with the event and each year it seems to get better. The wheels are already turning with our Sacramento Valley club regarding next year's Fest and we are planning to have all of the trading tables in one large room, similar to 2005. Thanks to everyone who participated this year, we hope you had a great time and we hope to see all of you next year. Mike Stanton P.S. Steve, David Dewey suggested that Pul Mor tires on your Comet would make it unbeatable in the unlimited race class. Also, I plan to have more room for a longer race track next year.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40521	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 5/23/2006
Subject: Re: RE Future of Toy Trains & mechanical Knowledge

Hate to mention it....... but like all curses...... they can be cast out..... mth now makes "o" that runs on 2 rail track...... Atlas does too and some others..... Bob C ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roy Hoffman" <rhoffman@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 10:34 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: RE Future of Toy Trains & mechanical Knowledge > The best decision that ACG made that had it's effect right up to today > was to go with 2-rail track. It required more electrical knowledge > than 3-rail track. Therein lies the curse that JLC put on todays O > gaugers. He didn't want to confuse the masses with technology so he > stayed with 3-rail. Today we do indeed have beautiful equipment being > turned out by SHS, AM, etc. So do the O gaugers. Alas though, that > modern O gauge stuff is beautifully done like S, but still sits on > 3-rail track......Ugh! > > Roy > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "David Dewey" <djdewey@...> wrote: >> >> I don't have much to add to this discussion, but I am amazed at both > the >> depth and width of knowledge of this group. How many other groups > would have >> a side discussion of the formation of synapses and neural nets?? >> Hmm, maybe this proves the more intellectual folks had ACG!!! :) >> (ie: My trains 'r better'n yours!) >> S' >> David D. >> PS, I learned my basic electricty from playing with trains, which > forced me >> to read about electricity so I could make things work! >> Hmm, so when you push the doorbell, the side window trips open at my > house. >> . .. :) >> > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40522	From: Alex Sibbald	Date: 5/23/2006
Subject: 2 rails

Hi all, Back in 1950 when I was 3 years old my Dad asked me if I wanted Lionel or American Flyer trains for Christmas. I had wind up or battery powered trains before that and they were all two rails since no electronics were necessary. Even then I was adamant that I wanted no part of a three rail system. No matter how much detail is on the train, the three rails yell phony and the rails are the focal point of a layout. Although I am not a scaler, my decision back then and my fond memories caused me to return to my hobby when my grandkids arrived on the scene. Oh yes, the fact that my original passenger set with the 312AC locomotive still operated after 40 years in storage helped also. Alex

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40523	From: Roy Inman	Date: 5/23/2006
Subject: Re: 2 rails

Alex, et al, That is such a good point about the sturdiness of old trains. Those of you who are not too familiar with MTH O gauge Proto One systems (well, in the beginning it was just Proto Sound until #2 came out), a very large flaw was that if an engine was not used for some length of time, the rechargeable Nicad battery wore down, the mother board lost it's memory (lost its mind?) and had to be replaced. Quite an expensive inconvenience. And in one case that I can personally verify, this happened in less than a year. Roy Inman > From: Alex Sibbald <innotron@...> > Organization: innotronics > Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 10:38:10 -0700 > To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [S-Trains] 2 rails > > Oh yes, the fact > that my original passenger set with the 312AC locomotive still operated > after 40 years in storage helped also. > Alex

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40524	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 5/23/2006
Subject: Re: Re;re;The Future of Toy Trains;S Gauge

Stumpy - The biggest advantage to AF is its durability. They can be dropped, kicked or crashed (in moderation of course), and keep on ticking. If one wants the operation improved, install can motors, TMCC, DCC, etc. That may change the value of the item (unless you keep the original parts), but, with all due respect to Don, Ron, and the rest of the current suppliers, theirs won't stand up to the heavy use and abuse that good old Flyer will. Obviously, there is a dwindling supply, since it is no longer made (at least not at the specifications of old. But there still sure seems to be a lot of it around yet!! Dick Kuepper Aurora, OH (the home of Geauga Lake with one of the oldest wooden coasters in the world, now the owner of a whole new bunch of amusement parks. We may not have any $ or jobs in Cleveland, but we KNOW how to have fun! But heck, if it's not amusement parks, it's trains!!) -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Stumpy Stone Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 10:21 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re;re;The Future of Toy Trains;S Gauge Okay, I agree that the hobby will never totally die out. However, the hobby as we know it now will probably not outlive those of us in it today. While we're discussing the future... I think that the future of S Gauge will see a increasing move away from American Flyer and toward the modern manufacturers' products. I say this because there is only a finite supply of old Flyer and Flyer enthusiasts and it no longer looks or runs up to the standards expected today which makes it less appealing to newbies. I'm sure this won't go down well in some quarters, but there it is. What do you think? Stumpy Stone...maverick thinker in Appalachia. S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40525	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 5/23/2006
Subject: Re;2 rails

Yep, old A.C. had his act together going with 2 rails when it would have been so easy to stick with 3 rail track. I only wish he would have gone to DC power, but that's another story. Not only does Lionel's three rails look goofy, the rail size on their O Gauge track is so huge it looks like it would scale out at about 400 lb. per yard! Plus it looks like it was made up out of pipe instead of rail. Close up photos of it really make it look ridiculous. Atlas and MTH track looks better in rail weight, but there's still three of 'em there. The best thing to do with three rails is run electric trains...like trolleys and interurbans...and tell everyone you're using "third rail power" instead of overhead wire. Stumpy Stone...there's a prototype for everything I guess...hiding in the hills of eastern Ohio.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40526	From: T Larson	Date: 5/23/2006
Subject: White and Chev

For those of you looking for 1950's S scale trucks, see the White tanker at http://cgi.ebay.com/HOT-WHEELS-SHOWCASE-WHITE-TANK-TRUCK-HOBBY-635-7000_W0QQitemZ7033494290QQcategoryZ45352QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem There are 2 of them for sale. I have one of these. It's size matches the olde Aurora molded plastic version of this truck, and fits in well with my Hartoy trucks. Also see http://cgi.ebay.com/Hot-Wheels-2-1959-Chevy-Apache-Pickup-trucks_W0QQitemZ7034345121QQcategoryZ47191QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Does anybody have one of these to measure and tell me whether it is exact S scale, should be 1-1/8" wide for a 6' wide pickup. -- Ted Larson http://www.aroundcinci.com/icams/museum/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40527	From: frank emiro	Date: 5/23/2006
Subject: Re: White and Chev

I drove a white like that, but it said HUMBLE OIL HEATS BEST (EXXON) in 1 ft TO 1 ft scale T Larson <mhrreast@...> wrote: For those of you looking for 1950's S scale trucks, see the White tanker at http://cgi.ebay.com/HOT-WHEELS-SHOWCASE-WHITE-TANK-TRUCK-HOBBY-635-7000_W0QQitemZ7033494290QQcategoryZ45352QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem There are 2 of them for sale. I have one of these. It's size matches the olde Aurora molded plastic version of this truck, and fits in well with my Hartoy trucks. Also see http://cgi.ebay.com/Hot-Wheels-2-1959-Chevy-Apache-Pickup-trucks_W0QQitemZ7034345121QQcategoryZ47191QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Does anybody have one of these to measure and tell me whether it is exact S scale, should be 1-1/8" wide for a 6' wide pickup. -- Ted Larson http://www.aroundcinci.com/icams/museum/ S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC and save big. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40528	From: Al Baker	Date: 5/24/2006
Subject: AF Steam Loco Axles ??

Are the axles used on AF steam locos, the same for metal and plastic wheels?? Al Baker

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40529	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 5/24/2006
Subject: email

This is for Joe Pereira: I tried to answer your question but your email address on my reply failed. I would like to answer you in private, so please let me know your email is working. Mike Marmer

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40530	From: Randall L. Griggs	Date: 5/24/2006
Subject: Albums added to the "s-scale.org" GALLERY site

Since I tend to be an 'armchair modeler' - without a working layout :-(, I spend a lot of time taking photos of the few things I've been able to accomplish over the years. Perhaps you might enjoy seeing some modern 'S' FORD Escapes I've detailed, and the 'scratch-built' RailGon I started YEARS AGO, then finally completed. Go to: http://s-scale.org/albums/v/friends/rlgriggs/?g2_navId=xcac52416 and pick a gallery. Slowly, but surely, I'm re-constructing some of the albums I previously had on Paul's WEB site that crashed, plus adding some new ones. Enjoy! Regards, Randy Griggs

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40531	From: Dale Smith	Date: 5/24/2006
Subject: Re: Re;2 rails

How right you are. I posted a picture of L's prototype for the three rail track, found on the SNCF rails just outside of Paris. Actually it is 4 rail, with the outside rail, or 5 witht he guard rail, but it does give a nice approximation of 3 rail O gauge. http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/view/3515?b=1&m=f&o=0 Dale Smith Pacifica, CA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stumpy Stone" <mrstumpy@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 4:05 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re;2 rails > > Stumpy Stone...there's a prototype for everything I guess...hiding > in the hills of eastern Ohio. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40532	From: Bill Frazier	Date: 5/24/2006
Subject: Re: Rheostats

From: "Brigadier Scottish Shop" scottishshop@... Date: Tue May 23, 2006 6:16am(PDT) Subject: Old Fashioned Rheostats Does anyone know of a source for the big old fashioned rheostats that were used to control our trains in the 1950's? I would like to build a simple controller. Thanks, John Harvey Mouser Electronics has a wide selection. Bill Frazier ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40533	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 5/24/2006
Subject: Re: The S-Helper Service B&O E-27CA Consolidation - A Review

The S-gauge community has been eagerly awaiting the arrival of the SHS Consolidations. There are eight road names available plus an unlettered black version. These are models based upon the Richmond Locomotive Works (later ALCo) design that was utilized by a wide number of railroads in the USA in the early 20th century. As pointed out in the SHS instruction manual, which is handsomely done up as a B&O "The Engineer & Fireman's Operating Manual," the Baltimore and Ohio Railroad had 165 E-27ca Consolidations in 1948 and still had 69 in service in 1953. My sample, which is the subject of this review, is an A. C. Gilbert Flyer-compatible version with LocoMatic AC/DC sound. First and foremost, the model itself is a source of great satisfaction as an affordable hi-rail S-gauge steam engine. The E-27ca sports a wealth of detail for this price class and more detail than typically found on most modern O gauge steam engines at this price point. A comparison with a few photos on hand indicates that SHS has captured the prototype superbly. The model's detailing includes: a fully enclosed boiler with proper spacing between the boiler and the chassis, piping details including those which are connected to the dual compressors, complete valve gear, a finished cab with two figures and painted instrument dials, a Tuscan cab roof with two sliding hatches, a hinged walkway between the cab and the tender, a detailed tender with sprung trucks, etc. The tender is plastic with molded-in coal, but painted so that it appears fairly convincing. Decoration includes sharply applied lettering and numerals and, rather than the usual engine black, the sample is a very dark matte B&O gray that matches what B&O steam engines often look like in color pictures. A minor weakness in the details department is that some of them are fragile painted plastic add-ons. The engine and tender are semi-permanently attached by a drawbar and two wire tethers -- the best-done wire tether arrangement that I've ever seen on a model steam engine. Two well-made black wire tethers are placed below the cab floor flanking the drawbar and placed so as to be very unobtrusive. Well, done, SHS! The operational features include: a can motor, sprung blind drivers, directional lighting with number boards, sounds that include 1,2, 4 chuffs/rev available by dip switch settings under the tender water hatch, electronic chuff and steam blow off, an electronic whistle and bell. Smoke is continuous and produced by small fan generator. The model is fitted with a Kadee coupler on the pilot and a Gilbert-compatible knuckle coupler painted the same color as the engine affixed to the tender. The engine can be run in conventional mode or by using an SHS-provided #00552 LocoMatic button box controller. A #00552 is required for each block. My sample broke-in well in about a half hour. Under conventional control with a Flyer 30B -- relatively quick operation of the dead man's control lever sequences directional change, but can be somewhat abrupt. Operation is smooth while underway. The engine does not have a very slow creeping speed. Simple diode-based DC offset controls for activating the whistle will slow the engine while underway, as expected. Under LocoMatic control one can activate the bell, whistle, direction, directional lighting, and other effects with no problems. Slow speed start ups and braking are also smoother than with conventional control. Typical operating voltages appear to in the general range of 11 & 12 volts and at this power level smoke production is steady but quite moderate. I have found that I need to tend to refilling fluid fairly often. If one mistakenly overfills the small generator, start to run the engine and gently blow down the stack a few times to break the vapor lock -- an occurrence typical of such generators. While the engine is held in neutral, smoke output sharply increases in sequence with the steam release sound -- a cute feature! As opposed to this model's several strengths, the quality of the sounds could be better. There is a nice bell, but an only so-so whistle with no pitch variation or inflection. The chuff does not convey any sense of sounding "deep" and the steam release sounds more than a bit like static. A comparison with the new Lionel AF Mikado in this regard very quickly shows that the AF Mike has much more "presence" at rest or underway with its Railsounds 5.0 under TMCC. It is a bit like comparing apples and oranges, but in this reviewer's opinion the sounds for SHS's own F units are more convincing, as well. To sum up, the reviewed AC version SHS Consolidation's major strengths are that it is a truly excellent model with good build quality, fit and finish, and smooth operation. The sound quality is serviceable, but in need of improvement. This Consol is just the thing to pull a string of the nice new scale-detailed steam era rolling stock from SHS, American Models, and Des Plaines. Bob Bubeck (Punctuation codes edited by moderator) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40534	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 5/24/2006
Subject: Modular with AF Track

OK, I've seen this example... http://s-scale.org/albums/v/friends/willisbd/Portable_4x8/ but it did not use rubber roadbed. Proper use of roadbed means there are no nails in the ties, which may not be good for modular environments... (ya think!). Anyway, based on the track plan (in a major sense) that I have come up with for a 25x15 layout, it lends itself to being modularized rather well. Long straight tables (3) with 180' turn arounds at the end. Figure to use KLine / L track for those 180's on the main lines. Also figure to transition to SHS track and use their #5 switches when they are out. So all straights and curves in AF, switches in SHS, and some SHS track to make parallel tracks coming out of their switches - then convert back to AF for the straight. (Yes yes, I know how "bad" AF track is... not looking for a technical lecture, just pike dreaming a bit!) Anyway, I like the pictured method for handling track coming to the ends of modules. Any other suggestions for AF track on modules than Bruce offers? Other suggestions of mounting AF track and new rubber roadbed? Thanks! Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40535	From: RCESpeak	Date: 5/24/2006
Subject: Contact

David Dewey, Your email address isn't working. Please contact me off list.... Barb

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40536	From: Roy Inman	Date: 5/24/2006
Subject: Re: The S-Helper Service B&O E-27CA Consolidation - A Review II

Thanks Bob for that thoughtful and comprehensive review. I would like to add my experience with my two ATSF Consolidateds. Double-heading, which is the way I will probably run them from now on, I find that they do have a pretty nice slow creep speed. Maybe that is because I was pulling a short but heavy consist. My first trial and break-in was on our club's 4x8 AF track layout at a train show. I found that the fireman's plate or step or however it is called, rubbed the tender when in the down position as the engines rounded the sharp Flyer curves. I just snapped one up against the engine back head and all was well. The other engine's "step" would not stay up out of the way, and Don Thompson walked me through that little problem. I have heard some people remark about the limitations of the sound system, and compared to some others, I would tend to agree. However, in a train show environment, the sight of those smoking double-headed engines was a real crowd-pleaser I tell you!! Sound did not seem so important in that big hall. And I changed out my AF compatible coupler for the SHS scale version. It was very, very simple. One suggestion about that: The spacer that replaces the AF coupler bar needs to be shaved slightly at one corner in order to clear the underside detail. This is not mentioned in the instructions, and Don realizes it. But I feel that most people who want to change out couplers will pretty quickly recognize as I did the small, easy modification that needs to be done. I just shaved mine down the same amount as the cut on the AF coupler bar I removed and the new, scale coupler swivels perfectly. I love my 2-8-0's!! Cheers :) Roy Inman www.unionstationphotos.com > From: rbubeck327@... > Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 12:23:46 -0400 (EDT) > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] The S-Helper Service B&O E-27CA Consolidation - A > Review > > > To sum up, the reviewed AC version SHS Consolidation's major strengths are > that it is a truly excellent model with good build quality, fit and finish, > and smooth operation. The sound quality is serviceable, but in need of > improvement. This Consol is just the thing to pull a string of the nice new > scale-detailed steam era rolling stock from SHS, American Models, and Des > Plaines.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40537	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 5/24/2006
Subject: Re: The S-Helper Service B&O E-27CA Consolidation - A Review III

Roy, Thanks for your comments. I love my new Consol, too! As much as a double-headed set can be a real crowd-pleaser, imagine if you will the added impact when the sounds match to visuals! In one of my "other train lives" I own and run new TMCC zero gauge and I am a member of the Glancy Trains Modular RR Club here in Michigan (Detroit area). We double-head steam engines (e.g., UP 9000s), as well, and the added effect with Railsounds 4. 0 or 5.0 sounding out loud and clear synchronized with the smoke is awesome at a train show. Even more so in a basement at home! I am pretty "picky" about sounds. It is an area of improvement (desired me, anyway) in an otherwise superb little engine. In this day and age, it can be done in "S." Compare sounds with an AF Mike which has its own strengths and weaknesses, to be sure, and I believe you will hear what I am describing. Thanks for the coupler tip. In my circumstances, I am running vintage Gilbert S at home, so the big knuckle one a single engine is OK by me. The changeover does enable double-heading, as you correctly state. I have converted the "inner" couplers to scale on my SHS F-3s to sharpen up their "looks." Have fun! Bob Bubeck In a message dated 5/24/2006 3:13:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, rinphoto@... writes: Thanks Bob for that thoughtful and comprehensive review. I would like to add my experience with my two ATSF Consolidateds. Double-heading, which is the way I will probably run them from now on, I find that they do have a pretty nice slow creep speed. Maybe that is because I was pulling a short but heavy consist. My first trial and break-in was on our club's 4x8 AF track layout at a train show. I found that the fireman's plate or step or however it is called, rubbed the tender when in the down position as the engines rounded the sharp Flyer curves. I just snapped one up against the engine back head and all was well. The other engine's "step" would not stay up out of the way, and Don Thompson walked me through that little problem. I have heard some people remark about the limitations of the sound system, and compared to some others, I would tend to agree. However, in a train show environment, the sight of those smoking double-headed engines was a real crowd-pleaser I tell you!! Sound did not seem so important in that big hall. And I changed out my AF compatible coupler for the SHS scale version. It was very, very simple. One suggestion about that: The spacer that replaces the AF coupler bar needs to be shaved slightly at one corner in order to clear the underside detail. This is not mentioned in the instructions, and Don realizes it. But I feel that most people who want to change out couplers will pretty quickly recognize as I did the small, easy modification that needs to be done. I just shaved mine down the same amount as the cut on the AF coupler bar I removed and the new, scale coupler swivels perfectly. I love my 2-8-0's!! Cheers :) Roy Inman www.unionstationphotos.com > From: rbubeck327@... > Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 12:23:46 -0400 (EDT) > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] The S-Helper Service B&O E-27CA Consolidation - A > Review > > > To sum up, the reviewed AC version SHS Consolidation's major strengths are > that it is a truly excellent model with good build quality, fit and finish, > and smooth operation. The sound quality is serviceable, but in need of > improvement. This Consol is just the thing to pull a string of the nice new > scale-detailed steam era rolling stock from SHS, American Models, and Des > Plaines. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40538	From: Victor Bereskin	Date: 5/24/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 3065

Any electronics surplus dealer is likely to have a selection of used rheostats. For new ones try Mouser Electronics (www.mouser.com). Their Austrailia sales email is asia@.... Vic Bereskin > Message 6 > From: "Brigadier Scottish Shop" scottishshop@... > Date: Tue May 23, 2006 6:16am(PDT) > Subject: Old Fashioned Rheostats > > Does anyone know of a source for the big old fashioned rheostats that > were used to control our trains in the 1950's? I would like to build a > simple controller. > > Thanks, > John Harvey

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40539	From: THOMAS E HILLERY	Date: 5/24/2006
Subject: Re: Tracks and Tires

Some thoughts on pull-mor and/or quartering. It appears that as the tire wears the quartering changes and you get a wobbling engine; especially if you run your engines in mostly one direction. I just took off the pull-mor rubber of my first #293 and will now runs fine mostly on my SHS-track layout instead of my AF track. Pre pull-mor seems better on S-Trak (my 322,312,370). Tom Hillery

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40540	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 5/24/2006
Subject: Re;re;re 2 rails

Dale and y'all...The pix of the four rail track was most interesting. It reminded me of a visit I made to the old Plymouth Locomotive Works some years ago. Outside the main building was a "test track" with about 10 rails! This was necessary because Plymouth had built thousands of "critters" in many gauges and shipped them all over the world. The track had originally been longer, but the company had gone out of the locomotive business by then and was rebuilding large earth moving equipment at that time. The locos were there because two orders were cancelled and one was returned according to an employee. They had been there for years just rusting away for lack of buyers. Stumpy Stone...thanks for jogging my memory...Martins Ferry, OH.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40541	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 5/24/2006
Subject: Re;Modular with AF track

Nice job on the layout Mike. Well thought out, I especially like the way you used the latches. It should operate reliably for many, many shows. Stumpy Stone...display layout guy in two scales hiding in my hillside lair in Appalachia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40542	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 5/24/2006
Subject: Re: THE FUTURE OF TOY TRAINS

Anyone out there have any info on the # of sets that Gilbert produced? It seems to me that there are a lot of old trains being found in attics as the people of our age group are (Sadly) coming to the end of the line & the trains they enjoyed or that were put away are coming onto the market. E-Bay alone offers in "S American Flyer "about 1500-2000 items a day. Mike ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97,501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40543	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 5/24/2006
Subject: Re: THE FUTURE OF TOY TRAINS

SORRY...... Right now there is 1728 listings divided by 7 ( avg ) days = 246+ items per day....... not 1500 - 2000... Bob C ----- Original Message ----- From: <anormal1@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 8:13 PM Subject: [S-Trains] RE: THE FUTURE OF TOY TRAINS > Anyone out there have any info on the # of sets that Gilbert produced? It > seems to me that there are a lot of old trains being found in attics as > the > people of our age group are (Sadly) coming to the end of the line & the > trains > they enjoyed or that were put away are coming onto the market. E-Bay alone > offers > in "S American Flyer "about 1500-2000 items a day. Mike > > ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID > Michael Strickland > 211 Summit Ave. > Medford, Ore. 97,501 > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40544	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 5/24/2006
Subject: Beware of spammer!

Paul and y'all...While checking some of my Yahoo Groups I'm finding spam from a guy who calls himself "Sam" who is using several alias' including "freelancetrains" to join. He spreading all over Yahoo like a disease I'm told. Stumpy Stone...I guess this is the downside of the internet.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40545	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 5/24/2006
Subject: First steam-power RR

I am reading a book by Doris Kearns Goodwin, called "Team of Rivals" about Lincoln, Seward, Samuel Chase and William Bates, who all ran for the 1860 Republican Nomination. Lincoln won, of course, the nomination, as the other three well educated, respected in their careers, joined Lincoln in his cabinet, as at first, like many thought Lincoln was a buffoon. In time, Lincoln won them over in their respect for his presidency and friendship. Seward was really shaken when Lincoln died. But in the book, Goodwin mentions that the ground breaking for the first steam-power RR was in 1829, as 16 miles of TWO RAIL track went from Albany to Schenectady. No,she did not specify the two rail part, as everyone knows that a train runs on two rails. But on July 4th, 1828, John Carroll of Carroll County fame in MD and last living signer of the Declaration of Independence, helped to break ground in Ellicott City, MD for the B&O. I am confused here, as to what was first. Did not the famous, Tom Thumb racing the horse happen on that B&O line before 1829? Mike Marmer, not confused how track should be! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40546	From: keefer1	Date: 5/24/2006
Subject: Re: THE FUTURE OF TOY TRAINS

I always use the new today search first , 249 new items in this 24 hour period.It ussually over 200 each day, but that doesnt include new listings in ebay stores. That varies from as low as 0 to over 400 items one day. Keith --- ROBERT ALLEN CONNER <rcon7@...> wrote: > SORRY...... Right now there is 1728 listings divided > by 7 ( avg ) days = > 246+ items per day....... not 1500 - 2000... Bob C > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <anormal1@...> > To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 8:13 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] RE: THE FUTURE OF TOY TRAINS > > > > Anyone out there have any info on the # of sets > that Gilbert produced? It > > seems to me that there are a lot of old trains > being found in attics as > > the > > people of our age group are (Sadly) coming to the > end of the line & the > > trains > > they enjoyed or that were put away are coming onto > the market. E-Bay alone > > offers > > in "S American Flyer "about 1500-2000 items a day. > Mike > > > > ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID > > Michael Strickland > > 211 Summit Ave. > > Medford, Ore. 97,501 > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > > at http://S-Scale.org/albums > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40547	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 5/24/2006
Subject: Re: THE FUTURE OF TOY TRAINS

At 246 LISTINGS I was pretty close.....I too usually check New, and set listings only..... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "keefer1" <keefer1_us@...> To: "ROBERT ALLEN CONNER" <rcon7@...>; "k j" <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 9:35 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: THE FUTURE OF TOY TRAINS > > I always use the new today search first , 249 new > items in this 24 hour period.It ussually over 200 each > day, but that doesnt include new listings in ebay > stores. That varies from as low as 0 to over 400 items > one day. Keith > --- ROBERT ALLEN CONNER <rcon7@...> wrote: > >> SORRY...... Right now there is 1728 listings divided >> by 7 ( avg ) days = >> 246+ items per day....... not 1500 - 2000... Bob C >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: <anormal1@...> >> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> >> Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 8:13 PM >> Subject: [S-Trains] RE: THE FUTURE OF TOY TRAINS >> >> >> > Anyone out there have any info on the # of sets >> that Gilbert produced? It >> > seems to me that there are a lot of old trains >> being found in attics as >> > the >> > people of our age group are (Sadly) coming to the >> end of the line & the >> > trains >> > they enjoyed or that were put away are coming onto >> the market. E-Bay alone >> > offers >> > in "S American Flyer "about 1500-2000 items a day. >> Mike >> > >> > ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID >> > Michael Strickland >> > 211 Summit Ave. >> > Medford, Ore. 97,501 >> > >> > >> > [Non-text portions of this message have been >> removed] >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > S-Trains list sponsor: >> http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com >> > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories >> too! >> > >> > Enjoy thousands of great photos >> > at http://S-Scale.org/albums >> > Yahoo! Groups Links >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> S-Trains list sponsor: >> http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com >> All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories >> too! >> >> Enjoy thousands of great photos >> at http://S-Scale.org/albums >> Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >> >> >> >> >> > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40548	From: Steve	Date: 5/24/2006
Subject: Re: RE Future of Toy Trains & mechanical Knowledge

Hi all, I saw this thread on the future of S and decided I needed to add my two cents, being more than likely one of the younger members of the group. At a ripe old 27, I've been collecting American Flyer for about 4 years. I'll agree with what has been said about the beautiful new stuff that AM and SHS has been coming out with. I wish I could say the same for Flyonel. The only stuff I've seen looks like the same "classic" Flyonel that I've picked up that's 25 years old. Not that I don't like the Flyonel of the 80's and 90's, (I'm still looking for a reasonable Daylight set to be my first AF passenger set) but really its the same moldings from the 50's and 60's with nicer paint. In my humble collection, my favorite, hands down is my AM Amtrak set. Sure its modern and it doesn't go with any of my Plasticville, but its a beautiful set that runs great with minimal problems. Maybe its the new technology that makes it appealing, (doubtful because it isn't that much more hi-tech than the newer Flyonel engines) or that it reminds me of my childhood and the trains I would see at the station and that I rode on. Anyway, my point is if this hobby is to live on, we need to do everything we can to involve the younger people. I spent 5 hours Sunday in the train room with my friend's 4-year-old son. My set isn't close to being presentable, only the outside main line and one inside loop (with double reverse, thanks Carl!!!) work, bare plywood benchwork, and an upper level loop that only exists in my mind, but my little guest could care less. He stood for HOURS pushing the passengers cars back and forth over all the track he could reach. If we reach out to these little train nuts, our hobby will live on. While watching my passenger train run approximately 70 cumulative miles on 20 ft. of track, I couldn't help but think that someday he'll have his own train room with little ankle bitters around that are just as fascinated. With any luck there will be some S gauge on that table. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "David Dewey" <djdewey@...> wrote: > > I don't have much to add to this discussion, but I am amazed at both the > depth and width of knowledge of this group. How many other groups would have > a side discussion of the formation of synapses and neural nets?? > Hmm, maybe this proves the more intellectual folks had ACG!!! :) > (ie: My trains 'r better'n yours!) > S' > David D. > PS, I learned my basic electricty from playing with trains, which forced me > to read about electricity so I could make things work! > Hmm, so when you push the doorbell, the side window trips open at my house. > . .. :) >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40549	From: Roy Inman	Date: 5/24/2006
Subject: Re: The S-Helper Service B&O E-27CA Consolidation - A Review III

Bob, I tend to leave the vintage Gilbert couplers as they are. Besides being a pain to convert (at least a pain for someone with my very basic mechanical skills) I like to keep the original stuff more true to its heritage, if you will. It isn't scale anyway, at least not by today's standards, so I leave it looking like the wonderful toy train it is. Cheers :) Roy From: RBubeck327@... Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 17:46:58 -0400 (EDT) To: rinphoto@..., S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] The S-Helper Service B&O E-27CA Consolidation - A Review III Thanks for the coupler tip. In my circumstances, I am running vintage Gilbert S at home, so the big knuckle one a single engine is OK by me. The changeover does enable double-heading, as you correctly state. I have converted the "inner" couplers to scale on my SHS F-3s to sharpen up their "looks." [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40550	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 5/24/2006
Subject: York, April

York, April, 2006, the final word, maybe. Today, I finally finished assembling the 8 pieces of AF I purchase to build some sets from 1957 to 1963. It took me over a month to get to it, but it is done, as I have 14 shelves, 16 feet long and 14 shelves 10 feet long. Moving things around to form the sets, is a pain, LOL, as I have to redo, the inventory sheets too. But now, the collection is really starting to look interesting, as I have sets, with engines, cars, then the caboose. A bit more interesting, than seeing a line of box cars, etc. Getting the list ready for October York. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40551	From: Don Thompson	Date: 5/25/2006
Subject: Re: AC Gilbert's S scale Trains

Dear Roy, I can see you have not read many of AC Gilbert catalogs from the late 40's. I know the thread recently is regarding 2 rail track, but the use of scale length trains intended for children was something different in 1946. If you do get a chance to read some of AC Gilbert's writings from this period, you can see a scale model railroader trying to make mass market trains using the technology of the time. To me, this was the other big difference between American Flyer and brands "L" and "M". Best regards, Don Roy Inman wrote: >Bob, >...It isn't scale anyway, at least not by today's standards, so I leave >it looking like the wonderful toy train it is. >Cheers :) >Roy >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40552	From: Roy Inman	Date: 5/25/2006
Subject: Re: AC Gilbert's S scale Trains

Oh yeah, we are on the same page as Gilbert admirers!! I guess I should have said "by today's detailing and painting standards, such as seen in that terrific SHS, AM, et al, equipment. Cheers :) Roy > From: Don Thompson <don@...> > Organization: S Helper Service Inc. > Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 06:41:53 -0400 > To: Roy Inman <rinphoto@...> > Cc: RBubeck327@..., S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: AC Gilbert's S scale Trains > > Dear Roy, > I can see you have not read many of AC Gilbert catalogs from the > late 40's. I know the thread recently is regarding 2 rail track, but > the use of scale length trains intended for children was something > different in 1946. If you do get a chance to read some of AC Gilbert's > writings from this period, you can see a scale model railroader trying > to make mass market trains using the technology of the time. To me, > this was the other big difference between American Flyer and brands "L" > and "M". > Best regards, > Don > > Roy Inman wrote: > >> Bob, >> ...It isn't scale anyway, at least not by today's standards, so I leave >> it looking like the wonderful toy train it is. >> Cheers :) >> Roy >> > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40553	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 5/25/2006
Subject: real 3 rail?

As I think about it, and I know its streching the point, But didn't many RR's like Pennsy, NH, and others use a form of 3 rail all over?????? They ran on 2 rail track but got their power from the third rail........ Overhead! and in the center!!! Bob C [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40554	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 5/25/2006
Subject: Re: Re;Modular with AF track

On Thu, 25 May 2006 00:23:55 -0000, Stumpy Stone wrote: >Nice job on the layout Mike. Well, that was Bruce's layout actually. I've not done a modular yet, thus asking... Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40555	From: Jenni Sipla	Date: 5/25/2006
Subject: Re: Tracks and Tires

Becarful on running engines long time with pul-mor tires removed you might wear the grooves out because the track sometimes will run inside the grooves with SHS track. Replacement pul-mor tires are available from hobby surplus, portlines or any othe AF parts supplier. I haven't had any problems with aftermarket pul-mor tires and they run just as good on AF track as other non-pull-mor. Bret im 30 and love American Flyer S-Gauge<-------opinions may be one sided! American Flyer S-Gauge LETS KEEP IT ALIVE!!!!! THOMAS E HILLERY <G-WOLFGANG5@...> wrote: Some thoughts on pull-mor and/or quartering. It appears that as the tire wears the quartering changes and you get a wobbling engine; especially if you run your engines in mostly one direction. I just took off the pull-mor rubber of my first #293 and will now runs fine mostly on my SHS-track layout instead of my AF track. Pre pull-mor seems better on S-Trak (my 322,312,370). Tom Hillery S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40556	From: Jenni Sipla	Date: 5/25/2006
Subject: Re: RE Future of Toy Trains & mechanical Knowledge

Steve more wonderful thoughts were never written. While watching my passenger train run approximately 70 cumulative miles on 20 ft. of track, I couldn't help but think that someday he'll have his own train room with little ankle bitters around that are just as fascinated. With any luck there will be some S gauge on that table. Bret "A 30 yearold hopefull" P.S. I often thought that for many youngsters of the future especially with some original AC Guilbert Steve <notdavidspade@...> wrote: Hi all, I saw this thread on the future of S and decided I needed to add my two cents, being more than likely one of the younger members of the group. At a ripe old 27, I've been collecting American Flyer for about 4 years. I'll agree with what has been said about the beautiful new stuff that AM and SHS has been coming out with. I wish I could say the same for Flyonel. The only stuff I've seen looks like the same "classic" Flyonel that I've picked up that's 25 years old. Not that I don't like the Flyonel of the 80's and 90's, (I'm still looking for a reasonable Daylight set to be my first AF passenger set) but really its the same moldings from the 50's and 60's with nicer paint. In my humble collection, my favorite, hands down is my AM Amtrak set. Sure its modern and it doesn't go with any of my Plasticville, but its a beautiful set that runs great with minimal problems. Maybe its the new technology that makes it appealing, (doubtful because it isn't that much more hi-tech than the newer Flyonel engines) or that it reminds me of my childhood and the trains I would see at the station and that I rode on. Anyway, my point is if this hobby is to live on, we need to do everything we can to involve the younger people. I spent 5 hours Sunday in the train room with my friend's 4-year-old son. My set isn't close to being presentable, only the outside main line and one inside loop (with double reverse, thanks Carl!!!) work, bare plywood benchwork, and an upper level loop that only exists in my mind, but my little guest could care less. He stood for HOURS pushing the passengers cars back and forth over all the track he could reach. If we reach out to these little train nuts, our hobby will live on. While watching my passenger train run approximately 70 cumulative miles on 20 ft. of track, I couldn't help but think that someday he'll have his own train room with little ankle bitters around that are just as fascinated. With any luck there will be some S gauge on that table. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "David Dewey" wrote: > > I don't have much to add to this discussion, but I am amazed at both the > depth and width of knowledge of this group. How many other groups would have > a side discussion of the formation of synapses and neural nets?? > Hmm, maybe this proves the more intellectual folks had ACG!!! :) > (ie: My trains 'r better'n yours!) > S' > David D. > PS, I learned my basic electricty from playing with trains, which forced me > to read about electricity so I could make things work! > Hmm, so when you push the doorbell, the side window trips open at my house. > . .. :) > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Love cheap thrills? Enjoy PC-to-Phone calls to 30+ countries for just 2¢/min with Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40557	From: frank emiro	Date: 5/25/2006
Subject: Re: real 3 rail?

The NYC Harlem & Hudson Divisions as well as parts of the Long Island RR did. The New Haven uses 3 rail from the Bronx- GCT and that may have been extended into Westchester County by now. Hudson Division was up to Croton Harmon and I believe that was extended further up the line. The Harlem line went as far as North White Plains and now goes past Brewster, NY. The Third rail runs about a foot above the ground and current is picked up by shoes on powered units. The New Haven had shoes so that when they got to the 3rd rail, they could drop their pans and continue on to 3rd rail power. Coming from GCT to CATANARY power was something else. There were times when I rode on the NH, that you felt the train was going to die or stall. The 3rd rail had 600vdc and might be higher by now. As for Penn Station , NY, I think they have 3rd rail as well as Pennsy over head CAT wire. ROBERT ALLEN CONNER <rcon7@...> wrote: As I think about it, and I know its streching the point, But didn't many RR's like Pennsy, NH, and others use a form of 3 rail all over?????? They ran on 2 rail track but got their power from the third rail........ Overhead! and in the center!!! Bob C [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40558	From: Charles E. Smith	Date: 5/25/2006
Subject: Re: real 3 rail?

The lines you mention used an outside 3rd rail. Pre & during WW2 most O scalers used the outside rail. NY subways also are powered this way, last I knew. Chuck Smith, http://www.trainweb.org/chucksmith On matters of style swim with the current. On matters of substance stand like a rock. Thos. Jefferson (may be paraphrased) ----- Original Message ----- From: "ROBERT ALLEN CONNER" <rcon7@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 10:24 AM Subject: [S-Trains] real 3 rail? > As I think about it, and I know its streching the point, But didn't many RR's like Pennsy, NH, and others use a form of 3 rail all over?????? They ran on 2 rail track but got their power from the third rail........ Overhead! and in the center!!! Bob C > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40559	From: Jenni Sipla	Date: 5/25/2006
Subject: Re: First steam-power RR

michael It is true that in 1928 B+O was the first to lay track but at first did not use steam they used power of wind and sail and then horses. It wasn't till August 25 1830 when the TOM THUMB piloted by Petter Cooper had the race with the horse. That is what brought the thought of using steam in stead of horses. Even though 26 years before the steam locomotive had been invented by Richard Trevithic (a coal mine engineer). All though they didn't win the race 1830 (mechanical failer) we all know the race was won by the train. Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: I am reading a book by Doris Kearns Goodwin, called "Team of Rivals" about Lincoln, Seward, Samuel Chase and William Bates, who all ran for the 1860 Republican Nomination. Lincoln won, of course, the nomination, as the other three well educated, respected in their careers, joined Lincoln in his cabinet, as at first, like many thought Lincoln was a buffoon. In time, Lincoln won them over in their respect for his presidency and friendship. Seward was really shaken when Lincoln died. But in the book, Goodwin mentions that the ground breaking for the first steam-power RR was in 1829, as 16 miles of TWO RAIL track went from Albany to Schenectady. No,she did not specify the two rail part, as everyone knows that a train runs on two rails. But on July 4th, 1828, John Carroll of Carroll County fame in MD and last living signer of the Declaration of Independence, helped to break ground in Ellicott City, MD for the B&O. I am confused here, as to what was first. Did not the famous, Tom Thumb racing the horse happen on that B&O line before 1829? Mike Marmer, not confused how track should be! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger’s low PC-to-Phone call rates. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40560	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 5/25/2006
Subject: Modular Specifications

<< Other suggestions of mounting AF track and new << rubber roadbed? << <<Thanks! <<Michael Michael, See http://www.trainweb.org/acsg/SPECS/page1.html. Joe P.S. Where are you going to get the K-Line track? It no longer is available. Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613*9 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock; More than 1,300 part lines American Models ##### S-Helper Service ###### K-Line S Gauge joestrainrepair@... Master Card/Visa

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40561	From: frank emiro	Date: 5/25/2006
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] real 3 rail?

The Pennsy uses overhead wire with the exception of the Long Island RR. I don't know of any Pennsy 3rd rail other then that. Note: forwarded message attached. --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40562	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 5/25/2006
Subject: Re: REAL3 RAIL & Bridge Extra Rails

When we were talking about the Royal Gorge they (The D&RGW) had 3 rail in a lot of their photos. Did they intermix narrow gauge with the normal 2 rail? While we are at it. What are the extra 2 rails that are added when going over a bridge called?? Mike ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97,501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40563	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 5/25/2006
Subject: Re: REAL3 RAIL & Bridge Extra Rails

Guard rails. They were to keep the wheel in a straight line in case they derailed. This kept the car from going side ways and doing damage to the bridge. The D&RGW was narrow gauge in the Royal Gorge. The Santa Fe was headed for the Gorge but the Rio Grand hurried a line in to the Gorge to block them. In fact I think the Rio Grand started life as a 3 foot RR and later went to standard gauge. So the Santa Fe turned south to New Mexico Thank you Larry Jackman ljack70117@... On May 25, 2006, at 7:36 PM, anormal1@... wrote: > When we were talking about the Royal Gorge they (The D&RGW) had 3 > rail in a > lot of their photos. Did they intermix narrow gauge with the normal > 2 rail? > While we are at it. What are the extra 2 rails that are added when > going > over a bridge called?? Mike > > ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID > Michael Strickland > 211 Summit Ave. > Medford, Ore. 97,501 > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40564	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 5/26/2006
Subject: Re: Modular Specifications

On Thu, 25 May 2006 11:08:32 -0700 (PDT), Joseph Haenn wrote: >See http://www.trainweb.org/acsg/SPECS/page1.html Thanks, some good input. >P.S. Where are you going to get the K-Line track? It >no longer is available. Well, hope L will at least sell what was in stock. Hope other S dealers have some left in stock. HOPE L might continue to make it. Thanks, Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40565	From: David Dewey	Date: 5/26/2006
Subject: pull mor tires and quartering

Sorry guys & gals, wear on a pull mor tire or wheel does not effect quartering. The quartering is on the axle mounted center of the wheel, whereas the pull mor tire is on the rim (called a tire in full-sized locos), except for the plastic drivers, where the pull mor is a "rubber band" in a groove molded into the wheel. Still, it's wear doesn't effect quartering. S' David D. PS, I too, would not run a loco without the pull mor tire, modled or band type, but the explanation is too long to post right now--gotta go to work, AAUGH!!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40566	From: whtrainman	Date: 5/26/2006
Subject: pull mor tires and quartering

Here's my experience on quartering: 1.Running a Pullmore wheel without the band actually decreases the diameter of the wheel. Several effects will be noticed over different periods of time: A.The blind wheels will be closer to the tracks. Might cause electrical shorts. B.Extensive use of the engine w/o the pullmore band will cause the groove for the band to deepen and widen. This will cause: 1)The blind drivers to come even closer to the tracks 2)Might cause the motor to get hotter than normal because of excess friction due to the wear on the groove 3)Quartering is based on wheel diameters. Remove the band, you change the diameter of that wheel. With excessive wear on that wheel, binding will occur because of the original quartering. The quartering has to be reset by removing the blind wheel & reinstalling it ever so slightly to remove the binding. It's hard enough just rebuilding a steamer!!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40567	From: Russ and Beth Rawling	Date: 5/26/2006
Subject: S in las Vegas

There was a small shop on, on Boulder Highway, 5 or 6 years ago when I attended a convention and is still listed. I found it in the yellow pages when I was out there. I bought some parts and a reference book. Train Exchange (702) 456-8766 6008 Boulder Hwy Las Vegas, NV 89122 The one below advertises specifically he has S gauge; Train Engineer (702) 597-1754 2550 Chandler Ave Ste 53 Las Vegas, NV 89120 Russ Rawling Camillus, NY rrawling@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40568	From: John Foley	Date: 5/26/2006
Subject: TCA & NMRA Coventions

Hi S-Manufacturers The NASG & The Potomac Valley S Gaugers will have a layout setup at the NMRA's National Train Show at Philadelphia this July 7th -9th 2006. http://www.nationaltrainshow.org/ Also The NASG and the Lone Star Flyer Club http://lonestarflyer.org/ will have a layout setup at the TCA Convention at San Antonio, TX this June 23rd - 25th 2006. http://www.traincollectors.org/convention/2006convention.pdf So if you can't attend these shows and you have some literature to hand out please reply back to me and I will send you the address's to ship it to. John Foley NASG Promotions [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40569	From: Phil K	Date: 5/26/2006
Subject: Fall S Fest full details now available

Just go here, then come to Chicago in November: http://www.trainweb.org/casg/sfest.html

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40570	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 5/26/2006
Subject: Coolin' the train room

Temps are finally expected to rise above 70 degres this weekend, SO, I set out to "cool" the train room. First of all, this is just personal observations, not a world debate on air conditioning, rain forests or global warming. FIRST of all, read the name plate, checking age and amperage draw. IF the unit is over 5 yrs old, you may be able to acquire a more efficient, lower amperage, less costly to operate unit for a reasonable price. Worked here some y rs ago, knocked $10. per month off the bill, by dropping 5 Amps, same capacity. The six months (per yr) of savings paid for unit in second yr. Sold old one at yard sale, bought train. As usual, the A/C window unit was not as "clean" as it could have been, even tho I attacked the dirt last fall. Quick brush and vaccuum of the "condensation pan should prevent that pesky midnight cleaning operation in July. Used toothbrush and vac. Next cleaned the interior "cooling" surface with toothbrush and vac, being careful not to bend the fins. I know this is the condenser coil. Quick check of the visible wiring, etc and into it's frame it went. ALWAYS use the locking screws in the sides, otherwise some nefarious person may use the A/C unit as a doorway into your home. Filters should be cleaned/changed every 30 days, in spite of what someone who knows more than me might suggest, it's your money. When leaving the room for an extende period of time (workday, etc) set the temp UP so that unit continues to dehumidify. A/C's remove humidity from the air and then heat on start up. They DO NOT cool. Same basics for Central A/C, change filters inside, remove leaves and squirrels from outdoor units. If in doubt call your service provider BEFORE it hits 95 degrees. One other consideration, IF you have two or more window units, Central Air will probably cost about the same to operate, be more comfortable; a Professional Installer can quote the installation. STAY cool running the trains. Jim "chillin' in the train office" Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40571	From: Dave Ganslein	Date: 5/26/2006
Subject: 364 Silver Painted B-Unit wanted

Hey gang, I know we're not supposed to post ads. But..... If anyone has an old latch coupler 364 Santa Fe B-unit laying around I sure could use one. It doesn't have to be perfect, its just gonna be a runner. I'm not that good on ebay and the proxy bidders keep beating me out. Also if anyone has a CNW Baldwin switcher cab thats got damage, I need the rear step off it. Flyer parts aint easy to get in the Great Northwest and some of the dealers can be a bit "difficult" at times ;-) Thanks "Diesel" Dave Portland 503 901 0192 503 255 8552 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40572	From: nyc17819@aol.com	Date: 5/26/2006
Subject: Real 3 rail track

1. The PRR did have three-rail electrified track other than the Long Island portion. Their commuter lines that entered Camden, NJ and served Philadelphia had outside third rail. The cars were a shortened version of the common commuter cars that ran on the overhead wire, but they had third rail shoes. The tracks extended east to places like Atlantic City, and southeast to places like Glassboro, NJ. These lines were de-electrified and the third rail removed probably in the late 1940s when the PRR had to stop using wood cars. The original electrification in New York's Penn Station was third rail, and the change was made to steam in New Jersey at a place called Manhattan Transfer, near present Harrison, NJ east of Newark. Both the Long Island, and the original PRR third rail used third rail that had the shoes on top of the rail, called "over-running" third rail. 2. The New York Central had overhead catenary in Cleveland as part of the Cleveland Union Terminal, owned jointly with the Nickel Plate. After the end of electrification there, the engines were converted to outside third rail and sent to New York area pulling trains out of Grand Central Terminal. The NYC used third rail with the shoe underneath the rail, called "under-running" third rail. 3. The New Haven had the first 11,000 volt 25 cycle catenary system, several years before the PRR. But around 1900, the New Haven had a third rail in some areas that was in the center of the track, not on the outside. The book, "When the Steam Railroads Electrified" has a picture of this center third-rail. It didn't last long and the cars that used this rail were basically trolley cars. 4. The subway in London, England uses a combination of normal running rails with a center-third rail AND an outside "third" (fourth?) rail for electrification. 5. When Amtrak made a connection from New York's Penn Station to the former New York Central's West Side Belt for service from Penn Station to Albany and beyond, they used outside third rail in the tunnel area to the point where the line comes out into the open. All Empire Service trains use diesels that also have third rail shoes and use electric power for about the first mile. 6. New York's Metro North trains still use the former New York Central's third rail system, and the trains that also use the former New Haven still change from third rail to catenary at the point where the NYC ended and the NH began. So third rail is still alive and well, but not generally in the center of the track. Chris Harding

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40573	From: manderman	Date: 5/26/2006
Subject: 336 pilot wheels

Hello All, I have a newly acquired nice 336 but am having trouble with the pilot wheels jumping off the track at only medium speed. I am running it on standard original AF track on original rubber roadbed nailed down to plywood. I can't find any defects in either the track or wheels. There must be something subtle that I am missing. Does anyone have any ideas where or what I should be looking for? Should I consider a new spring above the pilot truck or perhaps adding wight to the pilot truck? Thanks Mark Anderman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40574	From: Jenni Sipla	Date: 5/27/2006
Subject: Re: 336 pilot wheels

make sure the space between the wheels on each axle are set to scale i use an old piece of track and hold the engine up side down and see where the flanges ride no more than a 1/32 of an inch from the rail to the flange sometimes a little more. make sure the flange does not ride the rail that can roll it off as well. It has worked for me in the past. Bret manderman <Manderman@...> wrote: Hello All, I have a newly acquired nice 336 but am having trouble with the pilot wheels jumping off the track at only medium speed. I am running it on standard original AF track on original rubber roadbed nailed down to plywood. I can't find any defects in either the track or wheels. There must be something subtle that I am missing. Does anyone have any ideas where or what I should be looking for? Should I consider a new spring above the pilot truck or perhaps adding wight to the pilot truck? Thanks Mark Anderman S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Ring'em or ping'em. Make PC-to-phone calls as low as 1¢/min with Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40575	From: tomminil@aol.com	Date: 5/27/2006
Subject: Re: 336 pilot wheels

A new Spring should do it. Tom [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40576	From: Doug Peck	Date: 5/27/2006
Subject: K-Line track

When K-Line first began their "liquidation" sales, trying to sell off as much of their existing inventory as possible, I placed an order for a large amount of S track..........NONE came through, so my suspicion is that there is none left in existing inventory (enroute to Michigan). Whether Lnl will continue to produce it is another good question.....I think the answer depends upon their previously-made decision regarding S track. The last I heard, they were still "debating" between the standard AF track vs an S-gauge FastTrack system. If they've decided on the latter, I don't see them continuing the K-Line product as well. But who knows ! BTW----Burlington SD9 engines have already been shipped, and are arriving at dealers now....they are in short supply! PRR Mikados should arrive in 2-3 weeks. Northerns and Track Gangs delayed....we probably won't see these before late-August or early-September. <<<>P.S. Where are you going to get the K-Line track? It >no longer is available. Well, hope L will at least sell what was in stock. Hope other S dealers have some left in stock. HOPE L might continue to make it.>>> Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours: Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, & Saturdays--- 2-5 PM (EST) 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: www.portlines.com <http://www.portlines.com> E-mail: doug@... <mailto:doug@...> VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40577	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 5/27/2006
Subject: Re: 336 pilot wheels

Mark, I have a Hudson pilot that loved to jump the track from time to time. It would jump the track, I'd put it back on and the problem might remain or go away. I finally took a good look and one set of pilot wheels was properly gauged and the other set had the wheels too close together. The amount of derailing was dependent on which wheel set ran at the front of the pilot. I re-gauged the bad set of wheels and the problem was resolved. BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "manderman " <Manderman@...> wrote: > > Hello All, > > I have a newly acquired nice 336 but am having trouble > with the pilot wheels jumping off the track at only medium > speed. I am running it on standard original AF track on > original rubber roadbed nailed down to plywood. > > Thanks, > Mark Anderman >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40578	From: reynoldsjmus	Date: 5/27/2006
Subject: potential roundhouse

pat turner is thinking about producing a brick roundhouse in resin for s. he has posted a poll on the s scale list, you may want to check it out if interested, dale reynolds

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40579	From: Rick Evans	Date: 5/27/2006
Subject: Flyer Fest West photos

I have just a handful of photos from the 7th Annual Flyer Fest West at: http://s-scale.org/albums/v/friends/bassflyer/bassflyer_006/ I hope to get a few more from that Tom fella in Arizona. ;^) Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40580	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 5/27/2006
Subject: Re,K-Line track

The local hobby shop tried to get some S track from K-Line over a year ago and was told it was out of stock, but that they would be running more "soon." Well, so much for that. I think it would be a mistake to make a Lionel S Gauge Fastrack for two reasons; They now will have the K-Line dies to continue to repro "Flyer" track. And there would be no reason to do a S Fastrack as better track with roadbed already exists. Stumpy Stone...on track in Appalachia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40581	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 5/27/2006
Subject: Re: Lionel S Gauge FASTRACK

Stumpy and fellow S gauge model railroaders IMHO For Lionel the best thing to do would be to create and market a 2 rail S gauge Fastrack system, with switches and crossovers to match, right now, S gauge or K lIne never produced switches or crossovers. the biggest BOOM for Lionel O gauge trains was Lionel O gauge fastrack , and likewise, Lionel can establish themselves as the "Complete" S Gauge train manufacturer. I welcome the new line of Fastrack for S gauge. Jerry Matsick Stumpy Stone <mrstumpy@...> wrote: The local hobby shop tried to get some S track from K-Line over a year ago and was told it was out of stock, but that they would be running more "soon." Well, so much for that. I think it would be a mistake to make a Lionel S Gauge Fastrack for two reasons; They now will have the K-Line dies to continue to repro "Flyer" track. And there would be no reason to do a S Fastrack as better track with roadbed already exists. Stumpy Stone...on track in Appalachia. S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums Yahoo! Groups Links Jerry Matsick RESPOND TO Mtoytrain@... Jacksonville, Florida TCA 04-57715 NASG --------------------------------- How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger’s low PC-to-Phone call rates. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40582	From: frank emiro	Date: 5/27/2006
Subject: Re: Lionel S Gauge FASTRACK

Jerry, I can't agree with you more. For those looking for K-Line S track, try Charles Ro in Ma.. Some of the last production K-Line S track had lots of shorts in it, that might be the reason they didn't make another run. The 54" radius was nice, but had the most shorts in one of the runs. I guess other countries just could not match ACG Made in the USA track. Jerry Matsick <jpmatsick@...> wrote: Stumpy and fellow S gauge model railroaders IMHO For Lionel the best thing to do would be to create and market a 2 rail S gauge Fastrack system, with switches and crossovers to match, right now, S gauge or K lIne never produced switches or crossovers. the biggest BOOM for Lionel O gauge trains was Lionel O gauge fastrack , and likewise, Lionel can establish themselves as the "Complete" S Gauge train manufacturer. I welcome the new line of Fastrack for S gauge. Jerry Matsick --------------------------------- Ring'em or ping'em. Make PC-to-phone calls as low as 1¢/min with Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40583	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 5/27/2006
Subject: Re: Lionel S Gauge FASTRACK

Frank 2 years ago I converted from O guage after 40 years, just had a WHIM for all those years to build a flyer layout and did, but the one thing I did not like was getting rid of my O Gauge Fastrak layout, the switches all performed just super and that is the one thing about my current S Gauge layout, is the problem with the switches (turnouts). I believe it would be something great for S gaugers, and Lionel O was compatible with the new O Fastrack, hopefully if Lionel S Fastrack comes to be that there will be transition track for the various S gauge track on the market today. Jerry M frank emiro <femiro2002@...> wrote: Jerry, I can't agree with you more. For those looking for K-Line S track, try Charles Ro in Ma.. Some of the last production K-Line S track had lots of shorts in it, that might be the reason they didn't make another run. The 54" radius was nice, but had the most shorts in one of the runs. I guess other countries just could not match ACG Made in the USA track. Jerry Matsick wrote: Stumpy and fellow S gauge model railroaders IMHO For Lionel the best thing to do would be to create and market a 2 rail S gauge Fastrack system, with switches and crossovers to match, right now, S gauge or K lIne never produced switches or crossovers. the biggest BOOM for Lionel O gauge trains was Lionel O gauge fastrack , and likewise, Lionel can establish themselves as the "Complete" S Gauge train manufacturer. I welcome the new line of Fastrack for S gauge. Jerry Matsick --------------------------------- Ring'em or ping'em. Make PC-to-phone calls as low as 1¢/min with Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums Yahoo! Groups Links Jerry Matsick RESPOND TO Mtoytrain@... Jacksonville, Florida TCA 04-57715 NASG --------------------------------- Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40584	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 5/27/2006
Subject: Sunday Chat, 5/28/2006, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 40585	From: Scott Holm	Date: 5/27/2006
Subject: Re: 336 pilot wheels

I agree. The first thing to check when anything is jumping off the track is the gauge. Either the wheels are too close together or too far apart. Bull_Gator_1 <bull_gator_1@...> wrote: Mark, I have a Hudson pilot that loved to jump the track from time to time. It would jump the track, I'd put it back on and the problem might remain or go away. I finally took a good look and one set of pilot wheels was properly gauged and the other set had the wheels too close together. The amount of derailing was dependent on which wheel set ran at the front of the pilot. I re-gauged the bad set of wheels and the problem was resolved. BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "manderman " wrote: > > Hello All, > > I have a newly acquired nice 336 but am having trouble > with the pilot wheels jumping off the track at only medium > speed. I am running it on standard original AF track on > original rubber roadbed nailed down to plywood. > > Thanks, > Mark Anderman > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40586	From: bobcom52	Date: 5/27/2006
Subject: mystery boxcar

I picked up an S gauge boxcar at an exhibiton last weekend. I don't know anything about 'Flyer' type equipment as it was almost unknown over here. I intend to keep the item to show visitors an example of early commercial S gauge. The box car is plastic body with tinplate underframe and composite truck construction with 2 sliding doors on one side and a single fixed door on the other. Under the coat of paint (someone has added) appears to be a yellow body with 'USM'? in top right corner and 'danger'? signs either side of doors. A. C. Gilbert etc. is stamped on underframe. Unfortunately I can't take a photo of it at the moment. Would I be correct in assuming this is a 1960's era production?? regards Bob Comerford Australia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40587	From: Rick Evans	Date: 5/27/2006
Subject: Re: mystery boxcar

This it Bob?? http://s-scale.org/albums/v/friends/bassflyer/bassflyer_003/AF+USM.JPG.html Rick. ***((((I picked up an S gauge boxcar at an exhibiton last weekend. I don't know anything about 'Flyer' type equipment as it was almost unknown over here. I intend to keep the item to show visitors an example of early commercial S gauge. The box car is plastic body with tinplate underframe and composite truck construction with 2 sliding doors on one side and a single fixed door on the other. Under the coat of paint (someone has added) appears to be a yellow body with 'USM'? in top right corner and 'danger'? signs either side of doors. A. C. Gilbert etc. is stamped on underframe. Unfortunately I can't take a photo of it at the moment. Would I be correct in assuming this is a 1960's era production?? regards Bob Comerford Australia)))*** [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40588	From: Phil K	Date: 5/28/2006
Subject: Re: Lionel S Gauge FASTRACK

Maybe I'm missing somthing here. I was not familiar with Lionel Fastrack, so I looked at the L catalog. Fastrack looked to me not much different than S-Helper's S-Trax. Is the difference significant enough that we need two S companies manufacturing it? Just askin' and wonderin' as we wait for the thermometer to hit 93 today. Phil K ********************************************************************* > > Stumpy and fellow S gauge model railroaders > > IMHO For Lionel the best thing to do would be to create and market a 2 rail S gauge Fastrack system, with switches and crossovers to match, right now, S gauge or K lIne never produced switches or crossovers. the biggest BOOM for Lionel O gauge trains was Lionel O gauge fastrack , and likewise, Lionel can establish themselves as the "Complete" S Gauge train manufacturer. I welcome the new line of Fastrack for S gauge. > > Jerry Matsick > > Stumpy Stone <mrstumpy@...> wrote: > The local hobby shop tried to get some S track from K-Line over a year > ago and was told it was out of stock, but that they would be running > more "soon." Well, so much for that. > I think it would be a mistake to make a Lionel S Gauge Fastrack for > two reasons; They now will have the K-Line dies to continue to > repro "Flyer" track. And there would be no reason to do a S Fastrack > as better track with roadbed already exists. > Stumpy Stone...on track in Appalachia. > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > Jerry Matsick RESPOND TO Mtoytrain@... > Jacksonville, Florida > TCA 04-57715 > NASG > > --------------------------------- > How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40589	From: Don Thompson	Date: 5/28/2006
Subject: Re: Lionel S Gauge FASTRACK

Dear Phil, Ironically, Lionel had contacted us regarding our S Trax System right before we introduced it. They were interested in 1/4 million sections of curved and 100 thousand straights. They wanted it with steel rail and no decoration on the roadbed. Our ballast is painted three times, gray, and then speckled with black followed with brown. The end ties are also masked and painted tie brown. We quoted them a price. They never did respond about our S gauge track, but they did ask if we would be interested in making our track for the 027 market. Best, Don Phil K wrote: >Maybe I'm missing something here. I was not familiar with Lionel >Fastrack, so I looked at the L catalog. Fastrack looked to me not >much different than S-Helper's S-Trax. Is the difference significant >enough that we need two S companies manufacturing it? > >Just askin' and wonderin' as we wait for the thermometer to hit 93 >today. > >Phil K > >********************************************************************* > > >>Stumpy and fellow S gauge model railroaders >> >> IMHO For Lionel the best thing to do would be to create and >> >> >market a 2 rail S gauge Fastrack system, with switches and >crossovers to match, right now, S gauge or K lIne never produced >switches or crossovers. the biggest BOOM for Lionel O gauge trains >was Lionel O gauge fastrack , and likewise, Lionel can establish >themselves as the "Complete" S Gauge train manufacturer. I >welcome the new line of Fastrack for S gauge. > > >> Jerry Matsick >> >> Stumpy Stone <mrstumpy@...> wrote: >> The local hobby shop tried to get some S track from K-Line over >> >> >a year > > >>ago and was told it was out of stock, but that they would be >> >> >running > > >>more "soon." Well, so much for that. >>I think it would be a mistake to make a Lionel S Gauge Fastrack >> >> >for > > >>two reasons; They now will have the K-Line dies to continue to >>repro "Flyer" track. And there would be no reason to do a S >> >> >Fastrack > > >>as better track with roadbed already exists. >>Stumpy Stone...on track in Appalachia. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com >>All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! >> >>Enjoy thousands of great photos >>at http://S-Scale.org/albums >>Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>Jerry Matsick RESPOND TO Mtoytrain@... >>Jacksonville, Florida >>TCA 04-57715 >>NASG >> >>--------------------------------- >>How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone >> >> >call rates. > > >>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >Enjoy thousands of great photos >at http://S-Scale.org/albums >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40590	From: Roy Inman	Date: 5/28/2006
Subject: Re: Lionel S Gauge FASTRACK

Basically similar. Except that the three-rail FasTrack is grounded on both outside rails. All other three rail track is grounded on just one rail, center rail hot. The FasTrack is better looking in person than either the MTH, or original Lional, Marx or K-line three rail, partly because it has lower profile. It is a superior product, in my experience building modules with the stuff. Roy Inman > From: Phil K <waldootten@...> > Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 15:28:38 +0000 > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Lionel S Gauge FASTRACK > > Maybe I'm missing somthing here. I was not familiar with Lionel > Fastrack, so I looked at the L catalog. Fastrack looked to me not > much different than S-Helper's S-Trax. Is the difference significant > enough that we need two S companies manufacturing it? > > Just askin' and wonderin' as we wait for the thermometer to hit 93 > today. > > Phil K > > ********************************************************************* >> >> Stumpy and fellow S gauge model railroaders >> >> IMHO For Lionel the best thing to do would be to create and > market a 2 rail S gauge Fastrack system, with switches and > crossovers to match, right now, S gauge or K lIne never produced > switches or crossovers. the biggest BOOM for Lionel O gauge trains > was Lionel O gauge fastrack , and likewise, Lionel can establish > themselves as the "Complete" S Gauge train manufacturer. I > welcome the new line of Fastrack for S gauge. >> >> Jerry Matsick >> >> Stumpy Stone <mrstumpy@...> wrote: >> The local hobby shop tried to get some S track from K-Line over > a year >> ago and was told it was out of stock, but that they would be > running >> more "soon." Well, so much for that. >> I think it would be a mistake to make a Lionel S Gauge Fastrack > for >> two reasons; They now will have the K-Line dies to continue to >> repro "Flyer" track. And there would be no reason to do a S > Fastrack >> as better track with roadbed already exists. >> Stumpy Stone...on track in Appalachia. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com >> All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! >> >> Enjoy thousands of great photos >> at http://S-Scale.org/albums >> Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Jerry Matsick RESPOND TO Mtoytrain@... >> Jacksonville, Florida >> TCA 04-57715 >> NASG >> >> --------------------------------- >> How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone > call rates. >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40591	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 5/28/2006
Subject: Re: Lionel S Gauge FASTRACK

On Sun, 28 May 2006 15:28:38 -0000, Phil K wrote: >Fastrack looked to me not >much different than S-Helper's S-Trax. Is the difference significant >enough that we need two S companies manufacturing it? > >Just askin' and wonderin' My thoughts echo yours. I don't see that we need further fragmentation in the S market. Diamonds, switches, etc... in more variety for one track system is more critical than another player. I look forward (I think) to SHS having a #5 switch and 30' diamond. L continuing with K-Line track sounds good enough for me. Switches to match the K-Line curve might help... but I do like the fact that SHS allows one to locate the switch machine on either side which can be an issue with AF switches - impossible to stack swtiches end to end for a yard without short tracks, which makes the centers even further apart. Thus I consider AF / K-Line track and convert to SHS for switches WHEN the #5 is out. bla bla bla........ Anyway, back to your usual broadcast programming... Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40592	From: Rick Evans	Date: 5/28/2006
Subject: 302 tender guts question

Sooooooo, I'm pokin' around inside a cabinet in the garage where I have some train goodies and I find a 302 loco. Forgot I even had it. Put in on the track last night and it just buzzed, so just now I thought I'd get into the tender and check it out. I was quite surprised when I got the tender shell off! http://s-scale.org/albums/v/friends/bassflyer/STUFF/AF+302+tender+guts.JPG.html First time I've seen this!!! What in the world? Plastic with metal bits in it? Please tell me it's normal. I may have seen this before, but at my age, somethin' old sometimes is somethin' new......again! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40593	From: bobcom52	Date: 5/28/2006
Subject: mystery boxcar solved

Thanks to all who contacted me. 1959 model, part of a two car set with rocket launcher. That also explains the pickups on one side only. That probably completes my 'Flyer' collection. :>) regards Bob Comerford Australia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40594	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 5/28/2006
Subject: Re: 302 tender guts question

Rick, That's the tender weight - part nmber PA11A926. It's normal. BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Evans" <bassflyer@...> wrote: > > Sooooooo, I'm pokin' around inside a cabinet in the garage where I have some > train goodies and I find a 302 loco. Forgot I even had it. Put in on the track last > night and it just buzzed, so just now I thought I'd get into the tender and check it out. > I was quite surprised when I got the tender shell off! > http://s- scale.org/albums/v/friends/bassflyer/STUFF/AF+302+tender+guts.JPG.html > First time I've seen this!!! What in the world? Plastic with metal bits in it? > Please tell me it's normal. > > I may have seen this before, but at my age, somethin' old sometimes is somethin' new......again! > > > Rick. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40595	From: George Cohn	Date: 5/28/2006
Subject: Re: 302 tender guts question

Rick Evans wrote: > > http://s-scale.org/albums/v/friends/bassflyer/STUFF/AF+302+tender+guts.JPG.html > First time I've seen this!!! What in the world? Plastic with metal bits in it? > Please tell me it's normal. > ACG was frugal. Apparently they saved the stampings from making Erector set girder slots and used them for making ballast weights by casting them in plastic. I'm not sure but wasn't something similar used for the magnetic crane load? George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40596	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 5/28/2006
Subject: American Hirail RDC

Guys, I just picked up an American HiRail RDC shell from a fellow club member. Does anybody know offhand what sort of drive mechanism this was designed for? The casting is very nicely detailed and the "stainless" finish is well done. Of course, I plan on illuminating the heck out of the thing and perhaps a complete interior. But that will have to wait until after our convention. Jerry Poniatowski Registrar, 2006 NASG National Convention Pontiac, MI

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40597	From: Dave Ewing	Date: 5/28/2006
Subject: Smoke and sound

I am building a 4-6-6-4 from two AF Pacific engines. It is starting to work out pretty good. IMHO. I would like to add smoke and sound. Does anybody out there have any suggestions. Thanks for your help

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40598	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 5/28/2006
Subject: Re: 302 tender guts question

Rick, No you aren't seeing anything especially rare. I have a couple of tenders like this too. I think as ACG was trying to save money, somebody came up with this idea on tender weights. There's lots of weight in that lump, though. Enough to do the job, and that was the bottom line. Jerry Poniatowski Registrar, 2006 NASG convention --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Evans" <bassflyer@...> wrote: > > Sooooooo, I'm pokin' around inside a cabinet in the garage where I have some > train goodies and I find a 302 loco. Forgot I even had it. Put in on the track last > night and it just buzzed, so just now I thought I'd get into the tender and check it out. > I was quite surprised when I got the tender shell off! > http://s-scale.org/albums/v/friends/bassflyer/STUFF/AF+302+tender+guts.JPG.html > First time I've seen this!!! What in the world? Plastic with metal bits in it? > Please tell me it's normal. > > I may have seen this before, but at my age, somethin' old sometimes is somethin' new......again! > > > Rick. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40599	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 5/28/2006
Subject: Re;Lionels S Gauge Fastrack

Phil...In this case looks can be deceiving. Lionel's track is tubular just like their regular track. At the hobby shop we sell Lionel, MTH, and Atlas O gauge track. MTH and Atlas use solid rail, because it is more durable and conducts electricity better. Lionel's is the lowest quality of the three, but it now comes in their sets, so we sell it separately as well. There is no comparing Lionel O Fastrack and the sectional track from S-Helper. Lionel's is made only for toy trains and must be cheap, while S-Helper track is meant for toy and model trains and is a high quality product. There are three possibilities for Lionel making S gauge track as far as I can see; 1. They use K-Line tooling to make track, the "path of least resistance." 2. They come up with the bucks for the tooling for S gauge Fastrack, which would be cheapest to manufacture only in large amounts in Asia. 3. They do nothing because even though they have made S trains for years, track manufacture has always been done by others. It seems to me that there is a perceived shortage of original American Flyer style track, and the tooling is now Lionels. That's the track I think they would and should make. Stumpy Stone...just my take on things...Martins Ferry, OH.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40600	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 5/28/2006
Subject: Sunday Chat, 5/28/2006, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 40601	From: Roy Inman	Date: 5/28/2006
Subject: Re: Lionel S Gauge FASTRACK

I should add, that I feel FasTrack is a superior product when compared with Lionel's other track or with MTH's. That first batch of MTH track especially was pretty rough stuff. Rusted in a matter of months on the underside. Stumpy is absolutely correct, IMHO, in his observation that SHS track is good stuff. Roy Inman > From: Roy Inman <rinphoto@...> > Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 13:56:09 -0500 > To: Phil K <waldootten@...>, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Lionel S Gauge FASTRACK > > It is a superior product, in my experience building modules > with the stuff.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40602	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 5/28/2006
Subject: Re: S Gauge Track

There has been some discussion on regular AF Track, and the possibility of Lionel producing a S gauge Fastrack. The would be a positive for Lionel S gauge trains. I have a large layout and it is made up with what I believe the bestl looking ballasted track on the market no matter what scale and that S Helper Strax!. The reason I state it would be great for Lionel to release S gauge fastrack is the ability to put S gauge and an improved 2 rail Track on the market. Many people visit my layout and say "where did you get that track or who produces that track?" (S Helper S trax) It is a shame as most never heard of the track! Most say the only S track they remember is the 2 rail AF track, and lets face it The Flyer track of the last century has gone the route of Lionel O and Lionel 027, time replace it with S Helper, American Models, American Classic S or yes a NEW track by Lionel - say a two rail S fastrack IMHO Jerry Matsick Jax

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40603	From: Roy Inman	Date: 5/28/2006
Subject: FW: Interesting model building site

Hi all; check out this site that custom makes various models out of paper. Available only in Z and N at this time, but they might get round to us at some point. Roy Inman ---------- > > http://modeltrains.solomonwebsites.ca/3dprinting

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40604	From: frank emiro	Date: 5/29/2006
Subject: Re: S Gauge Track

I have to agree with JERRY. It sure would have been nice if Don (SHS) could have closed the deal with LIONEL, the world largest toy train producer. Just think of the boost to S Scale. Jerry Matsick <jpmatsick@...> wrote: There has been some discussion on regular AF Track, and the possibility of Lionel producing a S gauge Fastrack. The would be a positive for Lionel S gauge trains. I have a large layout and it is made up with what I believe the bestl looking ballasted track on the market no matter what scale and that S Helper Strax!. The reason I state it would be great for Lionel to release S gauge fastrack is the ability to put S gauge and an improved 2 rail Track on the market. Many people visit my layout and say "where did you get that track or who produces that track?" (S Helper S trax) It is a shame as most never heard of the track! Most say the only S track they remember is the 2 rail AF track, and lets face it The Flyer track of the last century has gone the route of Lionel O and Lionel 027, time replace it with S Helper, American Models, American Classic S or yes a NEW track by Lionel - say a two rail S fastrack IMHO Jerry Matsick Jax S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40605	From: Gerry Evans dba Best of Show Model Build	Date: 5/29/2006
Subject: Fw: {S-Scale List} FW: Interesting model building site

----- Original Message ----- From: "Roy Inman" <rinphoto@...> > check out this site that custom makes various models out of paper. > Available only in Z and N at this time> > http://modeltrains.solomonwebsites.ca/3dprinting ROY: Really nice models on the site you sent. If, however, you're of a mind to "do" some paper model-building, why not support some of the folks that already make some super S "slot A to tab B" models? Try these sites. They both advertize in our S publications and could probably use the revenue. Also, I learned yesterday that some of these may be available for up-close-and-personal examination at Des Plains Hobbies if one found him/herself roaming around Chicago-land. http://www.papercreek.com/ http://clevermodels.com/ Gerry Evans In Flagstaff > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40606	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 5/29/2006
Subject: Re: S Gauge Track

On Mon, 29 May 2006 05:54:10 -0700 (PDT), frank emiro wrote: >It sure would have been nice if Don (SHS) could have closed the deal with LIONEL, the world largest toy train producer. Except as noted, it would have been "SHS lite" as L wanted them to cut corners (aka customize) and give them a rock bottom price... aka Don becomes L's slave. If folks (companies) are not willing to pay a fare price for a quality product, then in my book they can take a hike. If L would have accepted their usual product, then there would have been maybe room to wheel and deal. But to cause Don to have two grades of track just so L can buy it cheap... come on, think about it. Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40607	From: Phil K	Date: 5/29/2006
Subject: Re: S Gauge Track

>>Except as noted, it would have been "SHS lite" as L wanted them to cut corners (aka customize) and give them a rock bottom price... aka Don becomes L's slave.<< While I understand your points, I don't see how making alterations to your product so another company can sell it under its own name is "becoming a slave." That's how much of business is conducted today. An example: Being sorta in the golf business, I can tell you that there are only about five or six golf ball manufacturing plants in this country -- making four dozen brands of balls. A plant owned by one company for making its own brand of premium balls ($50 a dozen) at times may be contracted to manufacture lesser-quality balls for some other company. That's great for the bottom line, and it keeps your employees employed year-round. My opinion: if I was Don, I would have manufactured cheap tin track on a soft red gelatin base if Lionel was going to a) pay for it; and 2) put its own name on it. It wouldn't impact the sales of Don's higher-quality track system, and since he can't legally stop L from selling such a product, he might as well make some money by manufacturing it, right? Really, who would need to know who manufactured it? Knowing Don, he'd take the profits from that arrangement and use part of it for more S research and development. Of course, he'd also take the other part of it and buy a South Seas island, declare himself Royal Governor of All Lands and pass a law that only S gauge trains could be sold and operated on his island. Then we could all move there, drink Chi-Chi's and Mai Tai's and yak all day about trains while sitting on the beach -- until dusk, when we head for the layouts. Phil K --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Lueck" <pianoman@...> wrote: > > On Mon, 29 May 2006 05:54:10 -0700 (PDT), frank emiro wrote: > > >It sure would have been nice if Don (SHS) could have closed the deal with LIONEL, the world largest toy train producer. > > Except as noted, it would have been "SHS lite" as L wanted them to cut corners > (aka customize) and give them a rock bottom price... aka Don becomes L's slave. > If folks (companies) are not willing to pay a fare price for a quality product, > then in my book they can take a hike. > > If L would have accepted their usual product, then there would have been maybe > room to wheel and deal. But to cause Don to have two grades of track just so L > can buy it cheap... come on, think about it. > > Michael >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40608	From: hgetrain	Date: 5/29/2006
Subject: Re: American Hirail RDC

- Jerry, American Hirail made their own power truck with a small motor positioned horizontally driving both axles. The sideframes appear to be separately attached and have a 8'6" wheelbase. They also produced a nicely detailed underframe. They normally sell the RDC as a complete powered unit for about $225. You may be able to buy the power trucks and frame separately. I have one of their RDCs and have found it to be a smooth, quiet runner after a careful break-in. Mine is DC an needs pulse power for really smooth low speed performance. I hope this helps. Harry Eberhardt -- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Jerry Poniatowski" <poniaj@...> wrote: > > Guys, > > I just picked up an American HiRail RDC shell from a fellow club > member. Does anybody know offhand what sort of drive mechanism this > was designed for? The casting is very nicely detailed and the > "stainless" finish is well done. Of course, I plan on illuminating > the heck out of the thing and perhaps a complete interior. But that > will have to wait until after our convention. > > Jerry Poniatowski > Registrar, 2006 NASG National Convention > Pontiac, MI >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40609	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 5/29/2006
Subject: Re; S Gauge Track

Having been playing with trains for 50 years in every scale from Z to 1 1/2" ride on, including narrow gauge and live steam, and working in a hobby shop part time for 15 years, I know there is no substitue for quality. Having delt with Lionel and K-Line there is little good I can say about them. They both made the cheapest product they could. Even so, some of it was pretty good, but that was after folks like MTH and S- Helper came on the scene and forced them to make good stuff by raising the quality bar. Wal Mart sells alot of cheap stuff and they've forced alot of good quality folks out of business. So be careful what you ask for when it comes to track. I know these comments won't be popular to some people, but so be it. Stumpy Stone...putting on my flak jacket and firesuit now!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40610	From: Roy Inman	Date: 5/29/2006
Subject: Re: Fw: {S-Scale List} FW: Interesting model building site

Absolutely and I couldn't agree more. I do support those who make all this wonderful S stuff available. I just had not heard of these folks before, and thought it might be a small item of interest. Cheers :) Roy Inman > From: Gerry Evans dba Best of Show Model Builders <bestofshow@...> > Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 07:19:40 -0700 > To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] Fw: {S-Scale List} FW: Interesting model building site > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Roy Inman" <rinphoto@...> >> check out this site that custom makes various models out of paper. >> Available only in Z and N at this time> >> http://modeltrains.solomonwebsites.ca/3dprinting > > ROY: > Really nice models on the site you sent. If, however, you're of a mind > to "do" some paper model-building, why not support some of the folks that > already make some super S "slot A to tab B" models? Try these sites. They > both advertize in our S publications and could probably use the revenue. > Also, I learned yesterday that some of these may be available for > up-close-and-personal examination at Des Plains Hobbies if one found > him/herself roaming around Chicago-land. > http://www.papercreek.com/ > http://clevermodels.com/ > > Gerry Evans > In Flagstaff >> >> >> >> >> Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40611	From: wyhog	Date: 5/29/2006
Subject: Re: Re;Lionels S Gauge Fastrack

> Phil...In this case looks can be deceiving. "Looks" is what counts in my humble opinion and I t hink FastTrack looks good. You have to get real close to see that it is not T rail. Closer than I like to get to my O gauge stuff. I apply the 3-4 ft rule. No I would not use it for a scale layout but for hi-rail it is great stuff. > Lionel's track is tubular just like their regular track. Not exactly. The regular Lionel tubular track has a round tube or cylindrical type of rail head and sort of a T profile for the web and base. Whereas the FastTrack is almost flat on top and has vertical sides. >MTH and Atlas use solid rail, > because it is more durable and conducts electricity better. I have both FastTrack and Atlas and I find that the FastTrack has less resistance drop than Atlas. Most likely due to the much tighter FastTrack joints. > Lionel's is the lowest quality of the three Boy I don't agree with that. It seems very well made to me. Tough. For carpet central layouts it is by far the best of the 3. It goes together the easiest of the 3, it stays together where the others don't, it is easy to take apart when you want to. As for looks, I'd much rather have the FastTrack looks, even with its flat sides hollow rail, than the looks of MTH. Atlas looks the best as far as the track goes but it does not have the built in ballast for RTR and the plastic ballast prevents carpet fibers from getting into your equipment. > There is no comparing Lionel O Fastrack and the sectional track > from S-Helper. I agree. Two different animals. SHS is far better in the scale looks department. It is considerably harder to assemble though. My only problem with the SHS track is its limited number of pieces and only the single switch. I would like to see the SHS line greatly expanded rather than a competing Lionel S line begun. In O gauge the Lionel FastTrack has many more options but that is unfortunately true of everything in S gauge. > Lionel's is made only for toy trains I disagree with that also. There are many fine Hi-rail FastTrack layouts out there that are well above what I'd call "toy". But you are correct in that I would not use it on a scale layout. I wouldn't use any 3 rail for a scale layout. But I also probably would not use SHS for a scale S layout either. Wyhog

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40612	From: George Cohn	Date: 5/29/2006
Subject: Re: S Gauge Track

Phil K wrote: >>>Except as noted, it would have been "SHS lite" as L wanted them to > > My opinion: if I was Don, I would have manufactured cheap tin track > on a soft red gelatin base if Lionel was going to a) pay for it; and > 2) put its own name on it. It wouldn't impact the sales of Don's > higher-quality track system, and since he can't legally stop L from > selling such a product, he might as well make some money by > manufacturing it, right? > It's exactly this sort of attitude that irks me no end. Too many replacement parts are made to the above standards making the stuff usable only if you waste a lot of time making it work. I gladly pay a premium if I can find something high quality that works the first time. As you get older, your time becomes much more valuable and you are willing to pay a little more to save a lot of that precious time. By encouraging manufacturers to make junk, we are lowering the quality and standards that we are willing to accept. Vote with your wallet and buy the high quality stuff in the first place. No need to have a cheap knock-off product on the market confusing new buyers. George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40613	From: frank emiro	Date: 5/29/2006
Subject: Re: S Gauge Track

Mike, I hope you are correct in your opinion. I don't know that Don would become a slave or just produce a cheaper line of toy hobby track. Lets wait and see what Lionel does with S track first, if anything. Then we will see if SHS made the right move, I hope so. wMichael Lueck <pianoman@...> wrote: On Mon, 29 May 2006 05:54:10 -0700 (PDT), frank emiro wrote: >It sure would have been nice if Don (SHS) could have closed the deal with LIONEL, the world largest toy train producer. Except as noted, it would have been "SHS lite" as L wanted them to cut corners (aka customize) and give them a rock bottom price... aka Don becomes L's slave. If folks (companies) are not willing to pay a fare price for a quality product, then in my book they can take a hike. If L would have accepted their usual product, then there would have been maybe room to wheel and deal. But to cause Don to have two grades of track just so L can buy it cheap... come on, think about it. Michael S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Sneak preview the all-new Yahoo.com. It's not radically different. Just radically better. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40614	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 5/29/2006
Subject: Re: S Gauge Track

On Mon, 29 May 2006 15:14:45 -0000, Phil K wrote: >I don't see how making alterations >to your product so another company can sell it under its own name >is "becoming a slave." Because L is huge comapre to SHS. They want to sub out the "dirty work", have it done to their sub standard spec (aka what I called SHS-lite), takes Don R&D time to have a second track solution, bla bla bla... L could just as easy make their own to their liking... which they ended up doing. >An example: Being sorta in the golf business, I can tell you that >there are only about five or six golf ball manufacturing plants in >this country -- making four dozen brands of balls. Those are big huge firms that do balls balls balls balls... they are specificlly geared to handle lots of custom OEM requests, SHS is a very different organization I dare say. In short, there is more to life than being a slave (doing exactly what the master wants) to as many bosses as you can just to get a bigger chunk of the market... there is much more to life than that. Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40615	From: George Cohn	Date: 5/29/2006
Subject: Re: Re; S Gauge Track

Stumpy Stone wrote: > Having delt with Lionel and K-Line there is little good I can say > about them. They both made the cheapest product they could. Even so, > some of it was pretty good, I was lucky to find about 100 pieces of new K-Line 54 inch radius curve track shortly before they went out of business. It was OK but not the same quality that ACG made. The ties especially, are cheaper and not the same quality as *real* ACG. They look painted instead of blackened. I also picked up about 100 pieces of Johnson rubber roadbed for it. Again, it is OK but not the same quality as original ACG roadbed. Some day soon, I hope to build a new layout using a mixture of ACG and K-Line track. Basically, you get what you pay for. My interest is original Flyer and I'm willing to pay a couple bucks more to get the good stuff. But the prices on new S-Gauge amaze me. I find it amazing that even Chinese manufactured goods are so expensive. Original Flyer cars were around $4-$5 in 1960 dollars. Even allowing for inflation, it's shocking to have to pay $50 to $1,500 for currently manufactured stuff! No wonder kids aren't interested in S-Gauge any more. George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40616	From: wyhog	Date: 5/29/2006
Subject: Re: Re; S Gauge Track

> I find it amazing that even Chinese manufactured goods are so expensive. Original Flyer cars were around $4-$5 in 1960 dollars. Even allowing for inflation, it's shocking to have to pay $50 ... In 1960 a gallon of gas was 26 cents, today it is $2.80 or more. In 1960 a plain jane new car cost you $1200, today it is at least $15,000. In 1960 a railroad loco engineer earned $19 a day, today it is $210 minimum. In 1968 my sister built a new 3 bedroom brick ranch style house with attached garage for $16,800, today that would be more like $180,000 or more. All of these things and most every thing else have gone up 10 to 15 times since 1960 so $40-$50 for a $4 car is entirely reasonable and approxi,ately the same percentage of yearly income as back then. Wyhog

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40617	From: Phil K	Date: 5/29/2006
Subject: Re: S Gauge Track -- Four answers for the price of one

Okay. My turn to respond. > Wal Mart sells alot of cheap stuff and they've forced alot of good > quality folks out of business.<< Phil K: No argument there, Stump. There are two ways of looking at this. Philosophically, and realistically. Wal Mart may sell a lot of cheap stuff, but it is what people are buying, whether we like it or not. That's just business. And if the stuff is that bad, nobody will buy it, right? Next: >>It's exactly this sort of attitude that irks me no end. > Too many replacement parts are made to the above standards making > the stuff usable only if you waste a lot of time making it work. > I gladly pay a premium if I can find something high quality that > works the first time. As you get older, your time becomes much > more valuable and you are willing to pay a little more to save a > lot of that precious time. > By encouraging manufacturers to make junk, we are lowering the > quality and standards that we are willing to accept. Vote with > your wallet and buy the high quality stuff in the first place. No > need to have a cheap knock-off product on the market confusing new > buyers.<< Phil K: Let's use your logic. The people who shop at Wal Mart, making it the largest retailer in the world, ARE voting with their wallets. Again, what you propose is philosophically ideal, and I agree with you, but that strategy is not a good business model. Let's say Don refuses to manufacture Lionel track to Lionel's specs. He can hold his head high with pride. But he'll make a lot less money, and Lionel will easily find someone else to make it to those specs. I can tell you SHS works off a pretty thin margin, too, and turning down additional revenue could someday cost him that business. River Raisin makes the kind of great, high-quality stuff you speak about. They made, I believe, 100 of the Pioneer and Flying Yankee streamliner sets. Did you buy one at $1899 to $2199? I did. But less than 100 -- LESS THAN 100 -- S scalers around the world struck a blow with their wallet for higher quality stuff. And the last time I saw River Raisin's advertising, there were a few still available from the 100 run they made. To me, those are facts that say quite a bit. Next: > I don't know that Don would become a slave or just produce a > cheaper line of toy hobby track.<< Phil K: Bringing in additional business (and revenue) is not being a slave. It's Don's job. That's how a successful business works. Making cheapo track for L under its brand is not illegal or unethical. Next: Phil K wrote: >>An example: Being sorta in the golf business, I can tell you that there are only about five or six golf ball manufacturing plants in this country -- making four dozen brands of balls.<< > Those are big huge firms that do balls balls balls balls... they > are specificlly geared to handle lots of custom OEM requests, SHS > is a very different organization I dare say. > In short, there is more to life than being a slave (doing exactly > what the master wants) to as many bosses as you can just to get a > bigger chunk of the market... there is much more to life than that.<< Phil K: Jeez, I don't see what difference the size of the company makes in this case. I don't understand the "slave" thing you are talking about. Any of us who works for a paycheck, then, in your words "is being a slave... doing exactly what the master wants." While I agree that there is more to life, "being a slave" is sorta what people get paid for, and they buy food and a roof and pay for their kids' dental work -- unless they're on government assistance, own a golden goose or inherited $10 million. If a person doesn't like their job, or they way they perceive they're being treated, they're free to move on. People switch jobs all the time these days. There's no more loyalty to employers. Few workers stay with one employer for a lifetime because they're always seeking to better themselves, and I can't blame them. And that's what Don would be doing if he took the hypothetical job from Lionel - - bettering SHS. I look at it this way -- the additional revenue would make SHS a stronger company, which could mean more and better products for us. Sincerely, Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40618	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 5/29/2006
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Group: S-Trains	Message: 40619	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 5/30/2006
Subject: K-Line Track

Michael Lueck wrote: << Well, hope L will at least sell what was in stock. << Hope other S dealers have some left in stock. HOPE << L might continue to make it. << << Thanks, << Michael There was NO AF track left in stock at K-Line when they went out of business. I tried to buy all remaining track and track lock-ons, but they had absolutely none left. I did get all of their remaining insulated pins. Joe Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613*9 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock; More than 1,300 part lines American Models ##### S-Helper Service ###### K-Line S Gauge joestrainrepair@... Master Card/Visa

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40620	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 5/30/2006
Subject: Re;re;re; S Gauge Track

Okay, we've beat ourselves up pretty good on the S Gauge Track issue. I must say there were alot of good points brought up...but I think it's time to move on. Since none of us can tell the future, we'll just have to see how this all shakes out. Stumpy in Martins Ferry, OH.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40621	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 5/30/2006
Subject: Re: S Gauge Track -- Four answers for the price of one

Phil K, Stumpy and others! re: Showcaseline - S Helper Thank you for sharing and I believe you have hit the nail on the head! Two years agao I started out to be completely a Showcaseline S Helper fan and still love all the items I have purchased.7 engines and 52 freight cars, and $$$ of track, will or would I of keep purchasing S Helper products you bet, but the selection is limited as to what I want, my favorite of course is steam engines, S Helper put out a super fantastic favorite of mine the Consolidation, but that is it for now, I have 6 diesel sets all great, but there are others plus electrics and passenger cars that I want and additional track turnouts, crossovers, and at present and how I wish they were available, but they are not and no one appreciates Don and Robin Thompson and their top of the line trains, but for S Gauge to grow, lets face it, it has become true for O gaugers - the answer is Lionel. I have a local "Mom and Pop" hardware store down the corner from me, I shop there most of the time, they have top of line products and super service, just like S Helper Service but prices are higher and limited availability force me to drive to a Lowe's or Home Depot and I don't want to do that, but to get a job done I have to. Likewise, I shop S Helper and American Models trains and will continue to do so, but I believe if Lionel releases a new track it will bring more people into S Gauge and will likewise produce more customers for S Helper and American Models. S Helper track is the best on the market for those of us who prefer a "ready ballasted" track! Phil K <waldootten@...> wrote: Okay. My turn to respond. > Wal Mart sells alot of cheap stuff and they've forced alot of good > quality folks out of business.<< Phil K: No argument there, Stump. There are two ways of looking at this. Philosophically, and realistically. Wal Mart may sell a lot of cheap stuff, but it is what people are buying, whether we like it or not. That's just business. And if the stuff is that bad, nobody will buy it, right? Next: >>It's exactly this sort of attitude that irks me no end. > Too many replacement parts are made to the above standards making > the stuff usable only if you waste a lot of time making it work. > I gladly pay a premium if I can find something high quality that > works the first time. As you get older, your time becomes much > more valuable and you are willing to pay a little more to save a > lot of that precious time. > By encouraging manufacturers to make junk, we are lowering the > quality and standards that we are willing to accept. Vote with > your wallet and buy the high quality stuff in the first place. No > need to have a cheap knock-off product on the market confusing new > buyers.<< Phil K: Let's use your logic. The people who shop at Wal Mart, making it the largest retailer in the world, ARE voting with their wallets. Again, what you propose is philosophically ideal, and I agree with you, but that strategy is not a good business model. Let's say Don refuses to manufacture Lionel track to Lionel's specs. He can hold his head high with pride. But he'll make a lot less money, and Lionel will easily find someone else to make it to those specs. I can tell you SHS works off a pretty thin margin, too, and turning down additional revenue could someday cost him that business. River Raisin makes the kind of great, high-quality stuff you speak about. They made, I believe, 100 of the Pioneer and Flying Yankee streamliner sets. Did you buy one at $1899 to $2199? I did. But less than 100 -- LESS THAN 100 -- S scalers around the world struck a blow with their wallet for higher quality stuff. And the last time I saw River Raisin's advertising, there were a few still available from the 100 run they made. To me, those are facts that say quite a bit. Next: > I don't know that Don would become a slave or just produce a > cheaper line of toy hobby track.<< Phil K: Bringing in additional business (and revenue) is not being a slave. It's Don's job. That's how a successful business works. Making cheapo track for L under its brand is not illegal or unethical. Next: Phil K wrote: >>An example: Being sorta in the golf business, I can tell you that there are only about five or six golf ball manufacturing plants in this country -- making four dozen brands of balls.<< > Those are big huge firms that do balls balls balls balls... they > are specificlly geared to handle lots of custom OEM requests, SHS > is a very different organization I dare say. > In short, there is more to life than being a slave (doing exactly > what the master wants) to as many bosses as you can just to get a > bigger chunk of the market... there is much more to life than that.<< Phil K: Jeez, I don't see what difference the size of the company makes in this case. I don't understand the "slave" thing you are talking about. Any of us who works for a paycheck, then, in your words "is being a slave... doing exactly what the master wants." While I agree that there is more to life, "being a slave" is sorta what people get paid for, and they buy food and a roof and pay for their kids' dental work -- unless they're on government assistance, own a golden goose or inherited $10 million. If a person doesn't like their job, or they way they perceive they're being treated, they're free to move on. People switch jobs all the time these days. There's no more loyalty to employers. Few workers stay with one employer for a lifetime because they're always seeking to better themselves, and I can't blame them. And that's what Don would be doing if he took the hypothetical job from Lionel - - bettering SHS. I look at it this way -- the additional revenue would make SHS a stronger company, which could mean more and better products for us. Sincerely, Phil K S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums Yahoo! 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Group: S-Trains	Message: 40622	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 5/30/2006
Subject: USRA hb Waddell Coal hoppers

Received 3 new Waddell Coal hoppers (different #'s) from SHelper and added to my 32 other hoppers from Shelper, running behind my Western Maryland Consolidation Steam Engine to pull the consists man what a sight. If you haven't added any of the SHelper Hoppers and other cars to your S gauge layout you are missing some smooth running cars. When you are into trains, dreamed Don decided to come out with a most loved Steam Engine, "The Hudson" wow that would make my remaining days even more exciting. Jerry Matsick Jacksonville

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40623	From: Bill Clark	Date: 5/30/2006
Subject: Two new SHS Internet Specials

I just posted two new Internet Specials on the Showcaseline website. Special number 1: Buy any SW-9 and choose any EVC caboose free. http://www.showcaseline.com/indexInternetSpecial.html Special # 2: Mix-and-Match any 4 Composite Hoppers for $100. http://www.showcaseline.com/indexInternetSpecial2.html Both Specials run through June 8, or until stock runs out. Thanks! Bill

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40624	From: beebear	Date: 5/30/2006
Subject: Re: USRA hb Waddell Coal hoppers

Hi Jerry I must agree with you here on the SHelper rolling stock I have several of their hopper cars also and it doesn't take much to get them to roll. This will be a big plus for my coal mine John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Matsick" <jpmatsick@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 1:33 PM Subject: [S-Trains] USRA hb Waddell Coal hoppers > Received 3 new Waddell Coal hoppers (different #'s) from SHelper and > added to my 32 other hoppers from Shelper, running behind my Western > Maryland Consolidation Steam Engine to pull the consists man what a > sight. If you haven't added any of the SHelper Hoppers and other > cars to your S gauge layout you are missing some smooth running cars. > When you are into trains, dreamed Don decided to come out with a > most loved Steam Engine, "The Hudson" wow that would make my > remaining days even more exciting. > > Jerry Matsick > Jacksonville > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > Message transport security by GatewayDefender.com > 3:11:38 PM ET - 5/30/2006

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40625	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 5/30/2006
Subject: Re: USRA hb Waddell Coal hoppers

Dear Jerry, Thank you for the kind words on the Waddell hoppers, Not sure what is so special about that car, the second run sold out in January (delivered in May), the 3rd run is in production now and is almost sold out again. Best regards, Don PS The only Hudson in my dreams is the CNJ 4-6-4T (tank engine). Jerry Matsick wrote: >Received 3 new Waddell Coal hoppers (different #'s) from SHelper and >added to my 32 other hoppers from Shelper, running behind my Western >Maryland Consolidation Steam Engine to pull the consists man what a >sight. If you haven't added any of the SHelper Hoppers and other >cars to your S gauge layout you are missing some smooth running cars. >When you are into trains, dreamed Don decided to come out with a >most loved Steam Engine, "The Hudson" wow that would make my >remaining days even more exciting. > >Jerry Matsick >Jacksonville >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40626	From: frank emiro	Date: 5/31/2006
Subject: A REAL UP Challenger

Check out the S in TEXAS. Seems funny to me that UP wants model train manufactures to pay for licensing their RR, so that they can approve of a quality product and logos. --------------------------------- Be a chatter box. Enjoy free PC-to-PC calls with Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40627	From: Randall L. Griggs	Date: 5/31/2006
Subject: Re: Inquiry from MakeMyModel.com

I received a very quick response from Brad Visser at MakeMyModel.com. His method of making models is VERY 'High-Tech', but the cost of the materials is still quite high. This method would work for small detail items in 'S', and could result in some items that otherwise are unavailable in 'S'. I've got some ideas I'll share with Brad to see what might be possible, and the resulting cost, etc. I'll keep everyone posted if something positive occurs. Just thought you'all might like to know! Regards, Randy Griggs >Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 07:43:24 -0400 >From: "Brad Visser" <brad.visser@...> >To: "Randall Griggs" <rlgriggs@...> >Subject: Re: Inquiry from MakeMyModel.com > >Randall, > >Thanks for your interest in our website and our products. > >Yes, we are using the latest in RP technology to create our line of models >for N & Z scales. > >Currently, due to the high cost of the material we use, larger scales such >as S seem >cost-prohibitive. We can do small accessories, but until the cost of the >material >comes down, we cannot do larger models. > >Let us know if you have any ideas based on these restrictions. > >Regards, >Brad Visser ><mailto:brad.visser@...>brad.visser@... >407-616-3772 > >On 5/30/06, Randall Griggs <<mailto:rlgriggs@...>rlgriggs@...> >wrote: >Hello, > >It appears you are using a 'rapid prototyping' system to produce >high-quality Z & N scale acrylic models. Is this correct? > >How hard would it be to produce the products you're already building in Z >& N scale in 'S' scale (1:64)? Would the price increase by the 'volume' of >material thus made? > >Also, as an example, what would be the estimated cost to 'tool' (make the >computer model from an actual 'model') for a small, static 'S' scale >"speeder" and "trailer"? > >Very truly yours, >Randall Griggs [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40628	From: Randall L. Griggs	Date: 5/31/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 3070 - Interesting model building site

I believe this model building firm makes their models from acrylic, not paper. Check out their Finishing and Painting Instructions page at: http://www.makemymodel.com/catalog/painting_finishing.php It looks like they're using a "Rapid Prototyping" process to produce small quantity items (and they're calling it 3D printing, but it's not ON or OF paper). There's no reason they couldn't make anything they do in Z and N in 'S' with a quick change in their computer 'model scale'. I've wondered about this process (as a model making method) ever since I first learned about this process. I think I'll contact these folks to see what the cost might be to produce their acrylic models in 'S'. Regards, Randy Griggs In the [S-Trains] Digest Number 3070, you wrote: >Message 16 > From: "Roy Inman" rinphoto@... > Date: Sun May 28, 2006 6:24pm(PDT) >Subject: FW: Interesting model building site > >Hi all; >check out this site that custom makes various models out of paper. >Available only in Z and N at this time, but they might get round to us at >some point. >Roy Inman >---------- > > > > http://modeltrains.solomonwebsites.ca/3dprinting [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40629	From: Randall L. Griggs	Date: 5/31/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 3062 - "Since No One Makes Them."

I wrote Len Hall to get some additional details on his conversion of a Lionel Auto Carrier Car to 'S'. Also, I wanted to know where he got the containers for his Husky Stack cars. He wrote back with the following details. I thought they should be shared with the S-Trains group, and got Len's permission to do so, so here it is: At 01:05 PM 5/24/06, you wrote: Hi: No, none at all. Go ahead. Len --- "Randall L. Griggs" <rlgriggs@...> wrote: > Len, > > Thanks for the information. Would you have any > objection if I shared it > with the gang on the 'S-Trains' list? > > Regards, Randy Griggs At 11:19 PM 5/22/06, Len wrote: Hi again Randall: Here is my response to your questions: 1 - Have you ever written an article on how you go about converting the Lionel Auto Carrier cars to 'S'? No. After taking a car completely apart, I remove about 1/2 inch down the middle. I don't remember exactly how much. I measured the width needed for S scale and then set my saw to 1/2 of that. Then saw one side and then the other. Then glue the two parts back together. The top is then sawed in half pretty much the same way and then both halves glued back together. The ends of the bottom part are filled (reinforced) with some plastic material so that it becomes a flat surface. On top of that I put another piece of plastic where the trucks will mount. This piece is needed to give the trucks sufficient clearance. Also, the trucks are mounted at the same place as the original O gauge. I use American Model trucks and couplers. The couplers are separate and have to be shortened slightly. They then are mounted on the flat surface in front of where the trucks are mounted. The doors are the most difficult. It took a few tries to get them to work. My solution was to trim about 1/16th inch of the outside part of the door, which removed the small pins that hold the doors and allow them to swing freely. Then I drilled a small hole in the top and bottom where I place a small nail and glued it in. Then I cut of the heads, but left just about the same amount as the old pins. Avoiding drilling out through the side or edge was difficult. But the result is a door that looks and operates just like the original and there is no evidence of any change. 2 - Where did you get the 'containers' for your Huskey Stack cars? They came as an HO kit from Des Plains. They had to be glued together and painted, but they fit perfectly. I purchased the decals from another company, but I can't remember which one. They were also HO, but when they were all done, you can't tell the difference. Also, the company I got them from was the only one that had the Pacer Stack Train decals. I thought about using a variety, but then decided to make them all the same. I too prefer modern equipment, but there very little available. I purchased some SD60 diesel engines from American Model and converted them into SD90. They look a lot better with the modification. I suppose I should have put a picture of them on the web too. Hope this answers your questions. If not, let me know. I've had lots of fun working with S because it forces you to be creative and looks very impressive when you are done. I'm working on installing MTH Protosound 2. stuff into some S gauge trains. Other than my Mikado, the typical S gauge sound is pathetic. I'm hoping to have some really terrific sounds coming out of my trains in the future. It will require using MTH transform and track control equipment to operate, but they are compatible with Lionel so I can still run the old conventional stuff too. Len At 03:53 AM 5/21/06, Len wrote: >Message 15 > From: "len_hall" len_hall@... > Date: Sat May 20, 2006 6:47pm(PDT) >Subject: Since No One Makes Them. > >I'm new, but thought I would post some picture of what I have been >working on lately since there has been some discussion regarding cars >that people would like to have, but they aren't available. > >I have built three different cars and have eight to ten of them, except >the tanker. > >1. Log Car >2. Auto Carrier >3. Heavy (Extended) Tanker. > >Here is a link to the album. >http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/browse/4712 > >I've run them at several train shows and had a few people have ask >where they can buy some like it. They are usually surpised when I tell >them I made them. > >Len Hall

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40630	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 5/31/2006
Subject: "Since No One Makes Them."

----- Original Message ----- "Randall L. Griggs" <rlgriggs@...> asked - Where did you get the 'containers' for your Huskey Stack cars? > > > > > And Len Hall replied They came as an HO kit from Des Plaines [Hobbies]. They had to be glued together and painted, but they fit perfectly. < < < < < < < -------Response------------- Looking at picture 4 of 6 of this group's "Photo Albums > Len Hall's Trains," those containers do not appear to be HO. They look right on for S, the way they fit in that S scale/gauge well car. And such S scale container kits are available from DPH Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40631	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 5/31/2006
Subject: Re: "Since No One Makes Them."

----- Original Message ----- From: "Randall L. Griggs" <rlgriggs@...> I wrote Len Hall to get some additional details on his conversion of a Lionel Auto Carrier Car to 'S'. . . . . . . . . > > > > > > > > --------Response------------ I did a clinic at an S Fest on how to convert several O-27 cars to S. I gave a copy of my hand-out to Don H and he made it into an article. I think it included the autorack (it's been a long time). And I don't remember which issue, but I might be able to find it. I'm glad to see there are other S gaugers interested in Modern railroading. I hope to do a talk on Modern modelling, emphasis on intermodal, at the Convention in Pontiac this August. It will include working with the MTH Rail King Gunderson Husky Stack. Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40632	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 5/31/2006
Subject: Re: Kline TRACK

Anyone looking for K-Line track, the wide radi.? Try THE TRAIN SCHACK in N. Hollywood. $3.45 ea + Shipping. 1-800-572-9929 Mike ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97,501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40633	From: Roy Inman	Date: 5/31/2006
Subject: Re: A REAL UP Challenger

OK Frank, I guess I am pretty dense, but I don't understand what you are saying....? I mean I am on the same page as far as UP is concerned: they shot themselves in the foot by alienating their most ardent supporters, railfans, but what does Texas have to do with it? Roy Inman > From: frank emiro <femiro2002@...> > Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 18:05:23 -0700 (PDT) > To: "s-trains@yahoogroups.com" <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [S-Trains] A REAL UP Challenger > > Check out the S in TEXAS. Seems funny to me that UP wants model train > manufactures to pay for licensing their RR, so that they can approve of a > quality product and logos. > > > > --------------------------------- > Be a chatter box. Enjoy free PC-to-PC calls with Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40634	From: lember2004	Date: 5/31/2006
Subject: PikeMaster basics

Having not added Pikemaster cars to my layout previously, I have a few basic questions: 1. will regular AF uncouplers work to de-couple Pikemaster cars? 2. will the tie-jector & hay jector cars pass without problems over AF re-railers and regular AF switches? 3. any other comments on running PikeMaster rolling stock? Your help is much appreciated! Mark

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40635	From: beebear	Date: 5/31/2006
Subject: containers for his Husky Stack cars

Randall If you go to Des Plains web site or call them you can get the loads in S gauge for the Husky Stack cars. I have both the tanks and the long and short shipping containers that go in them. The shipping containers do come in kits but the tanks are pre built If I get a chance I'll either send you come pics or post them John

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40636	From: paflyrman	Date: 5/31/2006
Subject: Maintenance Car Repro Bodies

Some time ago I saw on Ebay what was advertised as a reproduction body for the 23743 track maintenance car. I haven't seen any reference to these anywhere since. Anyone know if these are available somewhere? How about just the handrails? Thanks, paflyrman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40637	From: beebear	Date: 5/31/2006
Subject: Re: Maintenance Car Repro Bodies

I bought one on E-bay about 5 years ago but I could never find any information as far as parts or even a diagram of one. The drive gears were all chewed up to the point it wouldn't move but the motor ran. It's almost like it was never made but they are out there John ----- Original Message ----- From: "paflyrman" <4567@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 3:41 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Maintenance Car Repro Bodies > Some time ago I saw on Ebay what was advertised as a reproduction body > for the 23743 track maintenance car. I haven't seen any reference to > these anywhere since. Anyone know if these are available somewhere? > How about just the handrails? Thanks, > > paflyrman >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40638	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 5/31/2006
Subject: Re: Maintenance Car Repro Bodies

I didn't see the eBay item, but a few years ago I purchased a reproduction maintenance car from Bill Parr. The body is an excellent reproduction with a brass frame, wheels and a can motor. It runs nicely, but will set a land speed record if too much power is applied! Seriously, it's a very nice item. Since I can't afford an original, this one is just fine. Besides, I don't mind running it at any time. It was numbered 734. But one look underneath, and you know it's a reproduction. Jerry Poniatowski Registrar, 2006 NASG Convention Pontiac, MI --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "paflyrman" <4567@...> wrote: > > Some time ago I saw on Ebay what was advertised as a reproduction body > for the 23743 track maintenance car. I haven't seen any reference to > these anywhere since. Anyone know if these are available somewhere? > How about just the handrails? Thanks, > > paflyrman >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40639	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 5/31/2006
Subject: Re: Maintenance Car Repro Bodies

As a PS on my repro from Bill Parr, you have to make sure the gears are meshing properly. Not hard to do. Maybe this is the one you have that had the chewed up gears? Jerry --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "beebear" <beebear@...> wrote: > > I bought one on E-bay about 5 years ago but I could never find > any information as far as parts or even a diagram of one. The drive > gears were all chewed up to the point it wouldn't move but the motor > ran. It's almost like it was never made but they are out there > > John > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "paflyrman" <4567@...> > To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 3:41 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] Maintenance Car Repro Bodies > > > > Some time ago I saw on Ebay what was advertised as a reproduction body > > for the 23743 track maintenance car. I haven't seen any reference to > > these anywhere since. Anyone know if these are available somewhere? > > How about just the handrails? Thanks, > > > > paflyrman > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40640	From: beebear	Date: 5/31/2006
Subject: Re: Maintenance Car Repro Bodies

Hi Jerry Yes that is true, the gears didn't mesh together very well and that is te reason they were chewed up. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Poniatowski" <poniaj@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 8:53 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Maintenance Car Repro Bodies > As a PS on my repro from Bill Parr, you have to make sure the gears > are meshing properly. Not hard to do. Maybe this is the one you have > that had the chewed up gears? > > Jerry

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40641	From: t.hawley	Date: 5/31/2006
Subject: 13 years ago

We were speaking about converting the Lionel autorack to S. Dick Karnes of the NASG's library located my article as being "Convert A Standard Lionel Box Car To S " S Gaugian, September/October 1993 page 18 ( BOXCAR, "HAWLEY, THOMAS", KITBASH, LIONEL, CONSTRUCTION, FREIGHTCAR, S, SGA ) I think it was about more than just the 50 foot boxcar, but I'm not sure and my Gaugians are not organized. Can somebody see if I touched on the Autorack? Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40642	From: Furmanak, Stan	Date: 6/1/2006
Subject: NASG memberships

Close to 900 of the approx 1,850 active NASG members were recently sent renewal letters for memberships expiring on June 30th. Renewal checks and payments are pouring in and I am in the midst of processing the renewals and mailing out updated membership cards. If you recently sent in your payment to either me or Mike Shea, you should get your updated card in the mail in the next couple of weeks. In response to a renewal notice I sent to a member, I received this letter and thought I would share it with all of you. Dear Stan I have given my 50' S gauge trains and accessories to my nephew's son age eleven. He was the only one in the family who showed an interest. His father will be a big help to him as well. I sent the membership form to him. Perhaps he will sign up. Last Christmas, for the first time since 1948, I set up my 1934 Winner set. With a lot of oil, it ran well. Lots of memories. I kept it at a 2' level so the neighbor's kids could see. Just a loop with a few cardboard houses. They kept coming back! I have suggested many times that there should be a few simple layouts at a low level at shows so children could see how to get started. An 8 or a loop, a few small buildings, some toy autos, and a working gateman. That's all. I have enjoyed the membership. Jack Yerkes Tariffville, CT. Jack had been an NASG member since 1996. I am happy to report that 112 new members have joined the NASG since July 1, 2005. Not that I really need any more NASG volunteer work right now :-) but, if you are not an NASG member, please consider joining. If you were a member but haven't renewed, come on back; there's always room in the club car for one more. Membership is, as Alfred E. Neuman would say, "cheap!" at only $20.00 per year. See http://www.nasg.org/joining_1.html for member benefits and to access the online registration form. Thank you. Stan Furmanak NASG Membership Secretary Annville, PA [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40643	From: Jollivier4@cs.com	Date: 6/1/2006
Subject: I'd like to go nuts!

Hi all, I'd really like to make a 24068 Planters Peanuts car out of a $1 body I found at Flyer Fest West. I've already asked on chat. Does anyone know where I can find repro decals to do this? Jacques in Thorp

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40644	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 6/1/2006
Subject: Re: 13 years ago

Tom, This article concerns converting a Lionel 50 foot 9700 series box car. There is a side bar that talks about converting the 40 & 50 foot "fish belly" gondolas, the 40 foot double door car and the L60 auto rack cars. So this must be the article in question. BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "t.hawley" <t.hawley@...> wrote: > > We were speaking about converting the Lionel autorack to S. Dick Karnes of > the NASG's library located my article as being > > "Convert A Standard Lionel Box Car To S " > S Gaugian, September/October 1993 page 18 > ( BOXCAR, "HAWLEY, THOMAS", KITBASH, LIONEL, CONSTRUCTION, FREIGHTCAR, S, > SGA ) > > I think it was about more than just the 50 foot boxcar, but I'm not sure and > my Gaugians are not organized. Can somebody see if I touched on the > Autorack? > > Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40645	From: Rick Evans	Date: 6/1/2006
Subject: July 2006 Issue of CTT

Well, Pretty void of AF, as usual, however there is a nice "S" layout featured. There is a great (IMHO) nine page article on painting and weathering Plasticville structures, such as the Hobo Shacks, Cape Cod Houses and telephone poles. Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40646	From: beebear	Date: 6/1/2006
Subject: Re: I'd like to go nuts!

If you have a color printer just go to your local hobby store and buy some decal sheets. Do some practice prints on regular paper then when you get what you want print it on the decal paper and you have your own Planters Peanuts car. I have done this for a couple of my container loads for my Gunderson Husky cars John ----- Original Message ----- From: <Jollivier4@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2006 7:17 PM Subject: [S-Trains] I'd like to go nuts! > Hi all, > > I'd really like to make a 24068 Planters Peanuts car out of a $1 body I found > at Flyer Fest West. I've already asked on chat. Does anyone know where I > can find repro decals to do this? > > Jacques in Thorp > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > Message transport security by GatewayDefender.com > 7:59:17 PM ET - 6/1/2006

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40647	From: Alan Evans	Date: 6/1/2006
Subject: Re: 13 years ago

List & Tom Hawley, Yes, the auto rack was listed as a conversion to S. Also the Dremel stand and set-up for slicing the middle from a Lionel 6464 series boxcar to S scale. - Alan Evans -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of t.hawley Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 10:56 PM To: S-trains Subject: [S-Trains] 13 years ago We were speaking about converting the Lionel autorack to S. Dick Karnes of the NASG's library located my article as being "Convert A Standard Lionel Box Car To S " S Gaugian, September/October 1993 page 18 ( BOXCAR, "HAWLEY, THOMAS", KITBASH, LIONEL, CONSTRUCTION, FREIGHTCAR, S, SGA ) I think it was about more than just the 50 foot boxcar, but I'm not sure and my Gaugians are not organized. Can somebody see if I touched on the Autorack? Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40648	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 6/1/2006
Subject: Re: Eastern Division meet - York October 2006

Wanted someone to share room/expenses for this coming October Meet? Contact offline. Jerry Matsick Jacksonville

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40649	From: Roy Inman	Date: 6/1/2006
Subject: Re: 13 years ago

Any chance I could get a copy of said article? Roy Inman > From: Alan Evans <alan@...> > Reply-To: alan@... > Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 18:56:53 -0400 > To: "'t.hawley'" <t.hawley@...>, S Trains List > <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>, S scale List <S-Scale@yahoogroups.com> > Subject: RE: [S-Trains] 13 years ago > > List & Tom Hawley, > > Yes, the auto rack was listed as a conversion to S. Also the > Dremel stand and set-up for slicing the middle from a Lionel 6464 series > boxcar to S scale. > - Alan Evans > > -----Original Message----- > From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf > Of t.hawley > Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 10:56 PM > To: S-trains > Subject: [S-Trains] 13 years ago > > We were speaking about converting the Lionel autorack to S. Dick Karnes of > the NASG's library located my article as being > > "Convert A Standard Lionel Box Car To S " > S Gaugian, September/October 1993 page 18 > ( BOXCAR, "HAWLEY, THOMAS", KITBASH, LIONEL, CONSTRUCTION, FREIGHTCAR, S, > SGA ) > > I think it was about more than just the 50 foot boxcar, but I'm not sure and > my Gaugians are not organized. Can somebody see if I touched on the > Autorack? > > Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40650	From: muniman18	Date: 6/2/2006
Subject: hopper 739

hello all need help in identifing a hopper car can't find in all the guides. it is grey link couplers has a large N H on the sides and spelled out new haven on the other with a red dot in the center. any help will as always be appreciated thx Mike

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40651	From: Keith Blanchard	Date: 6/2/2006
Subject: Pine Canyon Update

Hi Gang, This is just a quick note to let you know that we will start shipping our new Machine Shop and Boiler House kits with the corrugated steel roof this coming Tuesday. All the pre-paid orders will go out first by priority mail. We hope to have the tile roof versions ready to ship within two or three weeks. We are scheduling so our dealers will have the kits at the NASG Convention in July. We want to thank every one for making these our most popular S-scale kits yet. Once these kits are moving along the line, we will return to our fun Route 66 series. The next kit in that series should ship near September or close. Having Fun with S-scale, Keith Blanchard http://www.pinecanyonscalemodels.com/s-scalekits.htm

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40652	From: Roy Inman	Date: 6/2/2006
Subject: Am snap lock couplers question

Hi all; I am trying to figure out how to assemble the AM snap lock couplers. Are they really "snap lock" assembly, or does one have to glue them together? I don't want to break one, because I need all three pair, and then some, for my change out projects. My couplers came with no instructions, which I suppose means a person is supposed to be able to figure it out easily. But that is why we have this list of knowledgeable people, correct? :) Any suggestions appreciated. Cheers :) Roy Inman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40653	From: muniman18	Date: 6/2/2006
Subject: new haven gondola

ps sorry it is numbered 739 sorry

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40654	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 6/2/2006
Subject: Re: AF 3 RAIL

Anyone into AF 3 RAIL know about coaches marked #357 & "The Joy Line"? Thank you Mike ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97,501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40655	From: William Porter	Date: 6/2/2006
Subject: Re: AF 3 RAIL

Hey Mike, Those are Marx cars. The Joy Line was produced by a supplier company (Girard Model Works) which was later absorbed by Marx. I expect the cars have green metal body and a metal roof that is either yellow, red or orange. The frame is a key factor in appraising these cars. The black frame is common while the blue frame is a bit more rare and valued. The cars should be about 6 inches long and run on O-scale track. You are correct that they are nominally 3/16 scale. Marx is thought to have been competing with the American Flyer 3/16 O gauge market. The trains themselves are delightful examples of tinplate. The engines run well and the trains negotiate small (13.5 inch radius) curves. I have some. My grandson has some as well. I have been trying to figure a way to include some of them in my layout without offending my (mostly) scale sensibilities. Good Luck, Bill Bill Porter Loxahatchee, FL -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of anormal1@... Sent: Friday, June 02, 2006 4:02 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] RE: AF 3 RAIL Anyone into AF 3 RAIL know about coaches marked #357 & "The Joy Line"? Thank you Mike ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97,501

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40656	From: Gary Chudzinski	Date: 6/2/2006
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} NASG Joining and Renewals

Stan Furmanak writes:> > > I am happy to report that 112 new members have joined the NASG since July 1, > 2005. Not that I really need any more NASG volunteer work right now :-) but, > if you are not an NASG member, please consider joining. If you were a member > but haven't renewed, come on back; there's always room in the club car for > one more. Membership is, as Alfred E. Neuman would say, "cheap!" at only > $20.00 per year. See http://www.nasg.org/joining_1.html for member benefits > and to access the online registration form. > > Thank you. Stan Furmanak NASG Membership Secretary Stan, I did not receive one of the renewal notices. Perhaps it would be worth while to include capability in the NASG website, "Joining Page," or add a "Renewal Page." It could also be printed out and forwarded with the annual fee. Might save you some time and postage expense. Reminders for renewal could also be included on all websites directed toward S Scale/Gauge/Trains. Gary Chudzinski chudgr@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40657	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 6/2/2006
Subject: Re: 710 wiring

A kind person on E-bay had a 710 whistle control he was selling with the wiring diagram.(This is a good way to get org wiring dia's) Anyway he photo copied the paperwork & sent it to me. As there was a question a week or so back as to the connections here it is: Black wire from control unit to base post Red wire from C. unit to7-17v post on trans Yellow wire from C unit to 15 volt post on trans Green wire to small clip on 690 terminal Add a black wire (Jumper) from base to to larger clip on 690 terminal Mike ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97,501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40658	From: Furmanak, Stan	Date: 6/2/2006
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} NASG Joining and Renewals

Gary- The NASG is working towards online renewal and new member registration that will allow secure, online payment, too. This should help reduce the effort and expense involved in the renewal process. There is no good time to post a general message announcing that renewals are due because all members now renew on the anniversary date of when they joined. Only about half the membership comes due for renewal on June 30th. You can tell when your renewal is up by checking your membership card or checking the mailing label on the Dispatch mailing envelope. In your case, you're up for renewal in August so you'll be getting a renewal notice in July. Thanks! Stan Furmanak NASG Membership Secretary -----Original Message----- From: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Gary Chudzinski Sent: Fri 6/2/2006 6:11 PM To: S-ScaleList; S-Trains List Subject: RE: {S-Scale List} NASG Joining and Renewals Stan Furmanak writes:> > > I am happy to report that 112 new members have joined the NASG since July 1, > 2005. Not that I really need any more NASG volunteer work right now :-) but, > if you are not an NASG member, please consider joining. If you were a member > but haven't renewed, come on back; there's always room in the club car for > one more. Membership is, as Alfred E. Neuman would say, "cheap!" at only > $20.00 per year. See http://www.nasg.org/joining_1.html for member benefits > and to access the online registration form. > > Thank you. Stan Furmanak NASG Membership Secretary Stan, I did not receive one of the renewal notices. Perhaps it would be worth while to include capability in the NASG website, "Joining Page," or add a "Renewal Page." It could also be printed out and forwarded with the annual fee. Might save you some time and postage expense. Reminders for renewal could also be included on all websites directed toward S Scale/Gauge/Trains. Gary Chudzinski chudgr@... Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40659	From: Roy Inman	Date: 6/2/2006
Subject: FW: K-LINE JUNE SPECIALS

Hi all; Just FYI, maybe all of you received this email from Eastern Depot, but in case someone did not, I forward it to the list without comment except to say that the Alleghenys are the 1/50th scale engines. I suppose only one or two people would want to convert them one to S, but wow, what a nice engine it would make running on two rails... Roy ---------- > From: noreply@... > Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 19:58:35 -0500 > To: rinphoto@... > Subject: K-LINE JUNE SPECIALS > > WE STILL HAVE A FAIRLY GOOD SUPPLY OF MANY OF THE K-LINE ITEMS, BUT THEY ARE > SELLING VERY WELL. THE FOLLOWING ARE AVAILABLE FROM NOW TO THE END OF JUNE AT > THESE PRICES OR UNTIL THEY ARE SOLD OUT. > > You can order these items on line with our secure server at: > htpp://www.easterndepot.com click on trains, K-Line, then Steam Engines > > K3799-0900CC Virginian Allegheny Reg. $629.95 Sale $399.99 > K3715-1601CC C & O Allegheny Reg. $629.95 Sale $399.99 > The Alleghenys have TMCC, Lionel Railsounds, Cruise Control & Electro Couplers > > K3310-5225CC Scale B & O Pacific Black w/ tmcc,lrs, crusie Reg.$899.95 Sale > $875 > K-4810A B&O Capital Limited 6 Car 15" Heavyweight Passenger Set. Lighted > interiors, people inside, illuminated drumhead, Reg. $299.95 Sale $275.00 > > K-4898-1869W Heinz semi-scale Pacific Steamer w/whistle Reg.$299.95 Sale > $270.00 > > K3400-0001CC Undecorated Black Shay w/tmcc, lrs, cruise $850.00 > > PORTER STEAM ENGINES -SPECIAL RUN FOR WESTERN DEPOT AVAILABLE HERE $110.00 > K2631-10 WESTSIDE LUMBER #100 FIDO > K2631-11 WESTERN PACIFIC PORTER > K2631-12 SOUTHERN PACIFIC PORTER > > EASTERN DEPOT 664 AUSTINVILLE ROAD, TROY PA 16947 570-297-1975 > Visit us at http://www.easterndepot.com for a complete listing of our > inventory > of model trains by MTH and K-Line. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE - If you do not wish to receive Eastern Depot web specials > of MTH and K-Line model trains send reply to easterndepot@... > and put UNSUBSCRIBE in the subject. Thank you, Bill & Esther

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40660	From: Roy Inman	Date: 6/2/2006
Subject: FW: K-LINE JUNE SPECIALS PS:

Meant to say 1/58th scale Alleghenys. Sorry... Roy ---------- > From: Roy Inman <rinphoto@...> > Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 20:43:33 -0500 > To: S-Scale <S-Scale@yahoogroups.com>, S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> > Subject: FW: K-LINE JUNE SPECIALS > > Hi all; > Just FYI, maybe all of you received this email from Eastern Depot, but in case > someone did not, I forward it to the list without comment except to say that > the Alleghenys are the 1/50th scale engines. I suppose only one or two people > would want to convert them one to S, but wow, what a nice engine it would make > running on two rails... > Roy > > ---------- >> From: noreply@... >> Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 19:58:35 -0500 >> To: rinphoto@... >> Subject: K-LINE JUNE SPECIALS >> >> WE STILL HAVE A FAIRLY GOOD SUPPLY OF MANY OF THE K-LINE ITEMS, BUT THEY ARE >> SELLING VERY WELL. THE FOLLOWING ARE AVAILABLE FROM NOW TO THE END OF JUNE AT >> THESE PRICES OR UNTIL THEY ARE SOLD OUT. >> >> You can order these items on line with our secure server at: >> htpp://www.easterndepot.com click on trains, K-Line, then Steam Engines >> >> K3799-0900CC Virginian Allegheny Reg. $629.95 Sale $399.99 >> K3715-1601CC C & O Allegheny Reg. $629.95 Sale $399.99 >> The Alleghenys have TMCC, Lionel Railsounds, Cruise Control & Electro >> Couplers >> >> K3310-5225CC Scale B & O Pacific Black w/ tmcc,lrs, crusie Reg.$899.95 Sale >> $875 >> K-4810A B&O Capital Limited 6 Car 15" Heavyweight Passenger Set. Lighted >> interiors, people inside, illuminated drumhead, Reg. $299.95 Sale $275.00 >> >> K-4898-1869W Heinz semi-scale Pacific Steamer w/whistle Reg.$299.95 Sale >> $270.00 >> >> K3400-0001CC Undecorated Black Shay w/tmcc, lrs, cruise $850.00 >> >> PORTER STEAM ENGINES -SPECIAL RUN FOR WESTERN DEPOT AVAILABLE HERE $110.00 >> K2631-10 WESTSIDE LUMBER #100 FIDO >> K2631-11 WESTERN PACIFIC PORTER >> K2631-12 SOUTHERN PACIFIC PORTER >> >> EASTERN DEPOT 664 AUSTINVILLE ROAD, TROY PA 16947 570-297-1975 >> Visit us at http://www.easterndepot.com for a complete listing of our >> inventory >> of model trains by MTH and K-Line. >> >> TO UNSUBSCRIBE - If you do not wish to receive Eastern Depot web specials >> of MTH and K-Line model trains send reply to easterndepot@... >> and put UNSUBSCRIBE in the subject. Thank you, Bill & Esther

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40661	From: trzp1800	Date: 6/3/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 3070 - Interesting model building site

Hi: This link will take you to an archive forum where the work of one of its members is on display. If you like working with paper i think you will enjoy seeing what this man was able to do with very simple materials and a lot of talent http://www.the-gauge.com/forumdisplay.php?f=57 Enjoy, Ted > > In the [S-Trains] Digest Number 3070, you wrote: > >Message 16 > > From: "Roy Inman" rinphoto@... > > Date: Sun May 28, 2006 6:24pm(PDT) > >Subject: FW: Interesting model building site > > > >Hi all; > >check out this site that custom makes various models out of paper. > >Available only in Z and N at this time, but they might get round to us at > >some point. > >Roy Inman > >---------- > > > > > > http://modeltrains.solomonwebsites.ca/3dprinting > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40662	From: lember2004	Date: 6/3/2006
Subject: AF 23320 "Traffic Master" ???

Recently noticed that the 1960 AF catalogues lists - and pictures - the 23320 "Traffic Master" as a new item. [Page 12 of D2192] Anyone know anything about this item, which was apparantly never sold? The first sentence of the description is "Route your trains the way dispatchers do on the big railroads." The picture shows a device with three dials and a US map. Wonder how this was supposed to work? Mark

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40663	From: Roy Inman	Date: 6/3/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 3070 - Interesting model building site

Holy Cow Batman, that is some of the most remarkable modeling I have seen in a very long time indeed! I have considerable admiration for someone with that much patience, and especially that much talent, to construct so complicated a structure from scratch off of just a photograph. Amazing... Roy Inman > From: trzp1800 <trzp1800@...> > Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2006 13:24:11 +0000 > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Digest Number 3070 - Interesting model building site > > Hi: > This link will take you to an archive forum where the work of one of > its members is on display. If you like working with paper i think you > will enjoy seeing what this man was able to do with very simple > materials and a lot of talent > http://www.the-gauge.com/forumdisplay.php?f=57 > > Enjoy, > Ted > >> >> In the [S-Trains] Digest Number 3070, you wrote: >>> Message 16 >>> From: "Roy Inman" rinphoto@... >>> Date: Sun May 28, 2006 6:24pm(PDT) >>> Subject: FW: Interesting model building site >>> >>> Hi all; >>> check out this site that custom makes various models out of paper. >>> Available only in Z and N at this time, but they might get round > to us at >>> some point. >>> Roy Inman >>> ---------- >>>> >>>> http://modeltrains.solomonwebsites.ca/3dprinting >> >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40664	From: Roy Inman	Date: 6/3/2006
Subject: Coupler help...

OK folks, I am wrestling with getting the couplers right on an AM Amtrak materials handling boxcar. It is the same as the average bear AM box, just decorated for Amtrak. It has hirail wheelsets, which I want to keep. It has AF compatible Talgo (bar) mounted AF couplers. I have tried using the AM passenger Talgo couplers, but the bar is way too long; the coupler sticks out an inch or more from the car body. I am wanting the car to mate with the AM Amtrak cars which came with hirail wheelsets and scale Talgo couplers. If I mount a Kadee or SHS coupler to the body of the Amtrak box, then the coupler height is way off to mate with the Amtrak hi-level cars. It would take lots and lots of shimming to get it to mate. Is there an easy solution here that I am not seeing? Bear in mind that I have never personally laid hands on the various coupler styles out there. Should I perhaps just body mount scale couplers on everything? Or is there a coupler that will replace the longer Talgo passenger style AM coupler, only with a shorter shank? Any suggestions appreciated :) Roy Inman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40665	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 6/3/2006
Subject: hobby show

In Washington, DC, a world stamp organization, has been running a stamp show all week. There has been many newspaper articles on the show and they doing allot of radio commercials too. They have been talking about the things they are doing for kids, to get interested in stamps, like giving away stamps to kids, a huge bin, they can go through, characters like Mickey Mouse and others are there. They are doing a nice effort with the kids. Granted, many stamps have no value, so that works with people donating stamps to the cause, as in turn, that might generate some new interest in the hobby by a child, who might continue to be a collector. Therefore, the returns in future stamp sales to the new collectors as adult will have succeeded in keeping the hobby going. I am sure, many of us, operators, collectors and dealers, might be able to part with some inexpensive cars to do something like this, whether at a TCA show or another type of show. Of course, the child might be only to pick out one item, but at least, it might give him or her something tangible to take home, to get them into the hobby of trains, which in turn will help keep the hobby going and be a benefit to future sales. Just a thought. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40666	From: Charles E. Smith	Date: 6/3/2006
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Coupler help...

I mounted KD 802's on my Amtrak Box using the KD draft gear box provided. I replaced the talgo couplers provided with KD 802's without draft gear boxes mounted to thin brass strips with very small sheet metal screws. However, mating to the talgo dummies should work if they are at the correct height. Are the dummies at the correct height? Mine were somewhat warped. The brass strips made it easy to bend the talgos to the exact height you need. Hard to adjust if you don't have the NASG coupler height gauge. Chuck Smith, http://www.trainweb.org/chucksmith On matters of style swim with the current. On matters of substance stand like a rock. Thos. Jefferson (may be paraphrased) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roy Inman" <rinphoto@...> To: "S-Scale" <S-Scale@yahoogroups.com>; "S-trains" <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, June 03, 2006 11:11 AM Subject: {S-Scale List} Coupler help... > OK folks, > I am wrestling with getting the couplers right on an AM Amtrak materials > handling boxcar. It is the same as the average bear AM box, just decorated > for Amtrak. > It has hirail wheelsets, which I want to keep. It has AF compatible Talgo > (bar) mounted AF couplers. I have tried using the AM passenger Talgo > couplers, but the bar is way too long; the coupler sticks out an inch or > more from the car body. I am wanting the car to mate with the AM Amtrak cars > which came with hirail wheelsets and scale Talgo couplers. If I mount a > Kadee or SHS coupler to the body of the Amtrak box, then the coupler height > is way off to mate with the Amtrak hi-level cars. It would take lots and > lots of shimming to get it to mate. > Is there an easy solution here that I am not seeing? Bear in mind that I > have never personally laid hands on the various coupler styles out there. > Should I perhaps just body mount scale couplers on everything? Or is there a > coupler that will replace the longer Talgo passenger style AM coupler, only > with a shorter shank? > Any suggestions appreciated :) > Roy Inman > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40667	From: Rick Evans	Date: 6/3/2006
Subject: - Interesting model building site

Roy Inman wrote: ""Holy Cow Batman, that is some of the most remarkable modeling I have seen in a very long time indeed!"" Yer right Roy! Check out this person's thread/photos of the water tower he built. Neat project. http://www.the-gauge.com/showthread.php?s=beeb02817cd85bbb870c443643a0602e&t=14326 Be sure to see ALL of the photos he posted. Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40668	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 6/3/2006
Subject: Sunday Chat, 6/4/2006, 8:00 pm

Reminder from the Calendar of S-Trains Sunday Chat Sunday June 4, 2006 8:00 pm - 11:00 pm This event repeats every week. The next reminder for this event will be sent in 23 hours, 4 minutes. Event Location: http://s-scale.org/forum/ Street: http://s-scale.org/forum/ Notes: http://s-scale.org/forum/ ADVERTISEMENT Copyright ©  2006  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved. Privacy Policy - Terms of Service

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40669	From: T Larson	Date: 6/4/2006
Subject: Measure ?

Here is another HotWheels Classic that is new to me. Does anybody have this? What is the width, length, height? Should be 1-1/8" wide in S for a typical 6' wide car. http://cgi.ebay.com/HOT-WHEELS-CLASSIC-1949-FORD-WOODY-SURFING-LIMITED-ED_W0QQitemZ7036734544QQcategoryZ45352QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem There are many HotWheels Classics that I have not seen, but all the ones that I have seen are correct S scale. -- Ted Larson http://www.gngoat.org/circus_boxcars.htm

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40670	From: Roy Inman	Date: 6/4/2006
Subject: Coupler help thanks

As always, I received a number of really good suggestions as to how to solve my coupler problem. Thanks to all :) Cheers, Roy Inman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40671	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 6/4/2006
Subject: Sunday Chat, 6/4/2006, 8:00 pm

Reminder from the Calendar of S-Trains Sunday Chat Sunday June 4, 2006 8:00 pm - 11:00 pm This event repeats every week. Event Location: http://s-scale.org/forum/ Street: http://s-scale.org/forum/ Notes: http://s-scale.org/forum/ ADVERTISEMENT Copyright ©  2006  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved. Privacy Policy - Terms of Service

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40672	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 6/4/2006
Subject: Re: OLSENS OR OLSONS TRAIN PARTS

Anyone have the web address for Olsen or Olson repo train parts? Please contact me off list. Thank You ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97,501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40673	From: Eric R.	Date: 6/4/2006
Subject: Re: OLSENS OR OLSONS TRAIN PARTS

Mike: If you mean Dan Olson in Seattle (Lake forest Park) Wa. it is: http://www.olsonhobbies.com/ Eric, Kenmore, Wa -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of anormal1@... Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 4:08 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] RE: OLSENS OR OLSONS TRAIN PARTS Anyone have the web address for Olsen or Olson repo train parts? Please contact me off list. Thank You ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97,501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40674	From: George Cohn	Date: 6/4/2006
Subject: Johnny Lightning Cars

I just went to http://www.johnnylightning.com/ and ordered a handful of 50's and 60's era 1/64 Johnny lightning cars. I have a few that I picked up or were given to me by friends. My other hobby is '70's sports cars and I have a 12 inch to the foot Jaguar XK-E as well as a Datsun 240Z. I found a JL model of the XK-E but none of the 240Z. I'm hoping to put my layout back together this summer and was just looking for some 50 - 70's era vehicles to liven up the layout a bit. Any other 1/64 models out there at a reasonable price? Most of the JL stuff is $3.99 or $4.99 per car which is very reasonable as far as I am concerned. George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40675	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 6/4/2006
Subject: Re: Olsens

Thanks to all that responded, Mike ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97,501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40676	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 6/5/2006
Subject: OFF TOPIC - MARX PLANE

In my recent ramblings I picked up a Marx?? 4 engine DC-4 or 6 in nice original shape..... PAA colors..... the 4 props spin when you push it across the floor. by a wire from the wheels.... about 28" wingspan.... all metal..... any ideas as to value? Bob C [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40677	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 6/5/2006
Subject: Re: Johnny Lightning Cars

George, If you have a KB Toys Outlet store anywhere nearby they usually have a ton of Johnny Lightning and other 1/64 vehicles 3 for $5.00. BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, George Cohn <gwcohn@...> wrote: > > Any other 1/64 models out there at a reasonable price? Most of the JL > stuff is $3.99 or $4.99 per car which is very reasonable as far as I am > concerned. > > George Cohn >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40678	From: George Cohn	Date: 6/5/2006
Subject: Re: Johnny Lightning Cars

Robert Graves wrote: > You're likely to get the JL cars cheaper on ebay. That's how I got mine. > Unfortunately, eBay charges some rather significant fees to list items and a commission on each item sold. I see a trend for sellers to compensate by charging exorbitant shipping and handling fees on which eBay can't charge a commission. A JL car for $2 with a shipping fee of $6 isn't a bargain. I use that as an example because I saw a model I wanted a few days ago but didn't bid due to the shipping costs. That's why you see a lot of 99 cent starting bids on items worth a lot more. Check the shipping, it will often be $6 to $20! George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40679	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 6/5/2006
Subject: way off topic.... but fun

While on a trip up north I went to Swandale, near Clay, about 50 miles north of Charleston, WV...... The is a guy up there that has a small Putt Putt Maint car with a trailer on it... Spent several hours with him including a ride of about 2 hours on his train out in the wilds.... he even wears a 38 for shooting snakes, etc.... had to stop once while he got off to cut up a tree on the tracks......when crossing a couple tressels I noticed as many as 5 or 6 ties rotted out.... rails spanned opening..... quite a view below.... The RR is the old B, C, & G...... I joined the group as they are trying to buy 14.8 miles of old track and restart an old tourist road.... Beautiful mountain scenry... mountains, creeks, etc.... If you want more info contact me...... will try to post a few pics soon...... Bob C [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40680	From: Phil K	Date: 6/5/2006
Subject: Buying 99 cent bargain cars on Ebay

You're right on, George. I once bought a 1:64 vehicle I wanted for $1.99 on eBay. The seller said shipping cost was based on distance. He charged me $9 for S&H. A cut-up, used cereal box, newspaper packing and $1.40 for regular postage. I complained to eBay and never received a reply. Never again. I'll buy my vehicles at Kmart. I once had a guy try to charge me $40 to ship a train set that weighed 5 lbs. and wasn't in the orginal box. After I threatened to leave bad feedback, he agreed to drop the price to $15. Still, his UPS charge was $4.85 and he too used a beat-up used box. Phil K ************************************************************** --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, George Cohn <gwcohn@...> wrote: > > Robert Graves wrote: > > You're likely to get the JL cars cheaper on ebay. That's how I got mine. > > > > Unfortunately, eBay charges some rather significant fees to list items > and a commission on each item sold. > > I see a trend for sellers to compensate by charging exorbitant shipping > and handling fees on which eBay can't charge a commission. > > A JL car for $2 with a shipping fee of $6 isn't a bargain. I use that > as an example because I saw a model I wanted a few days ago but didn't > bid due to the shipping costs. > > That's why you see a lot of 99 cent starting bids on items worth a lot > more. Check the shipping, it will often be $6 to $20! > > George Cohn >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40681	From: Rick Evans	Date: 6/5/2006
Subject: Re: Buying 99 cent bargain cars on Ebay

Yep, I agree. When buying vehicles on eBay, ....ya GOTTA check the shipping charge! I gotten a few deals off eBay. Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40682	From: manderman	Date: 6/5/2006
Subject: Re: 336 pilot wheels

Thanks to all who who gave me suggestions on this. Turns out on closer inspection that one pilot wheel had a dent in it. So it ran ok with the good set facing forward but not so well the other way around. I ended up finding I had another set of wheels with the casting piece so I change them out. Now it runs fine no matter which pilot wheels are forward. I noticed in this process that the original set of pilot wheels "floated" on the axles. that is to say they were loose and not fixed tightly to the axle. The axle was peened on the end. The wheels I replaced them with were tight to the axles and could have be "gauged" but the originls could not. I guess this is just one of the many variations.... Mark Anderman _original message_ I have a newly acquired nice 336 but am having trouble with the pilot wheels jumping off the track at only medium speed. I am running it on standard original AF track on original rubber roadbed nailed down to plywood.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40683	From: Phil K	Date: 6/5/2006
Subject: eBay horror story

I've had an extremely upsetting experience on eBay with an American Flyer dealer. In a future email, after I calm down, I'll explain how I won his Buy-It-Now auction and the aftermath, in which was he simply refused to complete the sale. I promise I won't lead the jury. I'll just include the most interesting set of back-and-forth emails that tell quite a story. I'm angry because I finally appealed this incident to eBay and waited three months while they did NOTHING. He also waited for me to post my feedback, which of course was negative. And then had the audacity to give me my first negative mark in over 600 purchases. His feedback said "What a pompus, unreasonable nightmare to ever have to deal with to deal with [sic]" All because I just wanted the item I purchased for the advertised price. Stay tuned. Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40684	From: jayhoo64	Date: 6/5/2006
Subject: Re: Johnny Lightning Cars

George Cohn wrote: >I'm hoping to put my layout back together this summer and was just >looking for some 50 - 70's era vehicles to liven up the layout a bit. >Any other 1/64 models out there at a reasonable price? George, your timing is great. These days the big trend in "1/64" diecast cars is '60s to early '70s muscle. Camaros, 'Stangs, GTOs, 'Cudas, Chevelles, etc. Even some big old Impys here and there. A VEGA even! The JLs tend to be a bit small for big cars and big for small cars, but most are within the range of tolerance when perspective is considered. You might also consider some other brands such as Green Light, Maisto "Fresh Cherries", and some of Hot Wheels' "Classics" and "Collectibles" series. These can be found a places like Target, Walmart, K-Mart, Kay-bee toys... You can also peruse over 700 examples of various brands here: http://s-scale.org/albums/v/friends/jayhoo64/4/ Chuck F.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40685	From: jim_marski	Date: 6/5/2006
Subject: American Flyer LTI Coors Reefer

Just wanted the list to know that the Rocky Mountain Division of the TCA is doing a fundraiser car to defray costs of the 2007 TCA National Convention being held in Denver next Summer. Our fundraiser car is a Coors refrigerator car being done for us by LTI. It has new style Coors graphics, not the early wood-sided reefer graphics. The run is being limited to 1,000 pieces at Coors request. Ordering information and a pre-production photo will be up on our website in the next day or so. RMD's website is http://rmdtoytrains.org/ Jim Marski

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40686	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 6/5/2006
Subject: Re: DAVE DEWEY

Anyone out there that has Dave's phone #? Can you please call him & ask him to read the E-mail I sent him. It's really important...It's about FREE STUFF that he may want. & as most know FREE to David is like a new born child... Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40687	From: George Cohn	Date: 6/5/2006
Subject: Re: eBay horror story

Phil K wrote: > And then had the audacity to give me my first negative > mark in over 600 purchases. His feedback said "What a pompus, > unreasonable nightmare to ever have to deal with to deal with [sic]" > > All because I just wanted the item I purchased for the advertised > price. And that's the scary thing about eBay. You can have years of 100% perfect feedback and some jerk will retaliate because he was the one in the wrong. I've given sellers + but less than stellar feedback just to avoid that. It's not fair though, because we should be shouting to the rafters about what a jerk they were. One of the great USPS bargains is their flat rate priority mail boxes. Any weight that will fit in them for $8.10 to anywhere in the US. But I've had jerks charge me $20 for mailing a couple of AF cars via parcel post. I often don't even bid anymore, no matter how desirable the item, unless they clearly state their shipping charges. George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40688	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 6/5/2006
Subject: Re: eBay horror story

The simple answer when dealing with a jerk is DO NOT post feedback until after they do. After all, they got you $$ before you got/didn't get their product!! Dick Kuepper Aurora, OH -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of George Cohn Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 6:19 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] eBay horror story Phil K wrote: > And then had the audacity to give me my first negative > mark in over 600 purchases. His feedback said "What a pompus, > unreasonable nightmare to ever have to deal with to deal with [sic]" > > All because I just wanted the item I purchased for the advertised > price. And that's the scary thing about eBay. You can have years of 100% perfect feedback and some jerk will retaliate because he was the one in the wrong. I've given sellers + but less than stellar feedback just to avoid that. It's not fair though, because we should be shouting to the rafters about what a jerk they were. One of the great USPS bargains is their flat rate priority mail boxes. Any weight that will fit in them for $8.10 to anywhere in the US. But I've had jerks charge me $20 for mailing a couple of AF cars via parcel post. I often don't even bid anymore, no matter how desirable the item, unless they clearly state their shipping charges. George Cohn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40689	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 6/5/2006
Subject: * Fall S Fest 2006 in Chicago * Nov. 3-5, 2006 * , 6/6/2006, 12:00

Reminder from the Calendar of S-Trains * Fall S Fest 2006 in Chicago * Nov. 3-5, 2006 * Tuesday June 6, 2006 All Day This event repeats every week, until Tuesday November 7, 2006. Event Location: Tinley Park Convention Center * I-80 at Harlem Ave. * Illinois Street: Holiday Inn Select * Tinley Park City, State, Zip: Adjacent to Convention Center Phone: (708) 444-1100 Notes: * Celebrating 100 Years of American Flyer * One of the nation's largest annual S gauge conventions. Over 22,000 SF of Trading Room, Layouts, Exhibits, Clinics, etc. Sponsored by Chicagoland Association of S Gaugers. More info at: http://www.trainweb.org/casg/sfest.html ALL RAILS MEET IN CHICAGO! ADVERTISEMENT         Yes No   Yes No     Yes No     Copyright ©  2006  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved. Privacy Policy - Terms of Service

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40690	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 6/5/2006
Subject: Re: eBay horror story

I never post feed back either positive or negative, unless asked to by the buyer/seller. Of course no one ever asks for negative feedback. I feel it saves a potential pi- - -ing contest with the other party. Steve [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40691	From: SnSTrains@aol.com	Date: 6/5/2006
Subject: Need to find an S-gauger in Arizona

If anyone on here knows Paul Janowski of Prescott Ariz. Will they please contact him and have him contact us. We have two of his locos for repair and no phone number for him. Thanks, Steve S-'n-S Trains American Flyer replacement can motors S-Gauge Videos American Flyer repair S and O gauge track cleaners 3239 Pepperwood Dr. Boise, Idaho 83704 208-376-1159 SnStrains@... www.s-scaletrains.com/s-n-s/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40692	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 6/6/2006
Subject: Re: E-BAY SHIPPING.

Talk about high shipping look at item #6064052996. $25.00 shipping + ins. I saw one yesterday that wouldn't tell you the shipping until the auction was over. I looked at his feedback & he had a neg. that said he charged $20 for the shipping, his reply was "You should have asked the cost before bidding" Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40693	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 6/6/2006
Subject: E-BAY SHIPPING

To be fair to the person that listed the shipping as $25.00. I contacted her, her reply was the shipping program that E-Bay stated that it would cost that much to ship to the East coast. I let her know about the USPO Flat Rate box. & while I was at it warned her about bubble wrap. She agreed to lower her shipping on the 372. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40694	From: lember2004	Date: 6/6/2006
Subject: Number puzzler?

Any insights on why a few AF items [such as C2009, L2004, etc] deviated from regular practice and were not given a 5 digit number? Mark, curious in Seattle

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40695	From: David Dewey	Date: 6/7/2006
Subject: DAVE DEWEY Replys!

Mike has me pegged alright--FREE??? SLOOOOWLY I TURNED--Ah, forget that no one would belive it, no slowly about it, "Get outa my way!!" :) Ah, but the rest of the story, Mike has a line on TWO player pianos, disassembled. As much as I like player pianos, I've got no place to put them, let alone a way to haul them from Medford to here--and my Brother in Ashland has no place either (see Mike, I checked!). Ah well, hope this doesn't ruin my reputation!! S' David. Hmm, gotta be some train required stuff in here. I just picked up some rough Aluminum Passenger cars, now to see if I can polish them up to something worthwhile.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40696	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 6/7/2006
Subject: Flyer truck sets on ebay.

In the event any of you might be looking for some nice trucks to bring a nice car up to snuff, we have listed some sets on Ebay. It starts tomorrow at 7:15 PDT. Ebay number 6064161187. We have lots of these, both new and used. We also have some intact pikemaster trucks that are not shown in this auction. Steve [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40697	From: Jim Marski	Date: 6/7/2006
Subject: RMD TCA Coors car- American Flyer

The order form for our convention Coors refrigerator car is now posted on the RMDTCA website. The link is- http://rmdtoytrains.org/CoorsReeferOrder.pdf A picture of the preproduction sample is also on our site at- http://rmdtoytrains.org/ The sample has gloss black paint, where the final production version will be satin Jim Marski __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40698	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 6/7/2006
Subject: New Poll - October 2006 York TCA Meet

I posted a new poll on the above to see how many of our number are planning on going to TCA Meet in York October 2006 1. Yes 2. No 3. Yes - if travel or Motel can be worked out. As an S gauger I find this an exciting meet to attend, also gives us opportunity to share rides or motel room expenses. The groups cooperation is appreciated. Jerry Matsick Jacksonville

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40699	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 6/7/2006
Subject: Re: RMD TCA Coors car- American Flyer

Jim Marski Thanks for sharing and the slide show of the O Modular layout is just fantastic, enjoyed seeing the Marx Red and Silver Streamliner set, had that as a kid in the late 40s. thanks again! (oh "what is that thing in the middle?" Jerry Matsick Jacksonville Jim Marski <jim_marski@...> wrote: The order form for our convention Coors refrigerator car is now posted on the RMDTCA website. The link is- http://rmdtoytrains.org/CoorsReeferOrder.pdf A picture of the preproduction sample is also on our site at- http://rmdtoytrains.org/ The sample has gloss black paint, where the final production version will be satin Jim Marski __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Jerry Matsick RESPOND TO Mtoytrain@... Jacksonville, Florida TCA 04-57715 NASG __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40700	From: Phil K	Date: 6/7/2006
Subject: First step was today in MTH v. Lionel case appeal

The oral arguments portion of Lionel LLC's appeal of the case in which that $40 million judgment was awarded to Mike's Train House was earlier today. If you are interested, here is a report written by a train collector who attended the hearing: http://www.trains.com/community/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=67223

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40701	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 6/7/2006
Subject: "It ain't prototypical!"

An incident happened in the hobby shop this afternoon that you might find interesting the next time someone gives you a hard time about "playing with TOY trains." When I walked in at 3:30 a guy was giving Gary (hobby shop owner) a hard time about having too many toy trains and not enough "real" HO trains in the store. He boasted that he was an MMR (Master Model Railroader, an NMRA award) and he was into "prototypical model railroading." I asked him if he detailed the underframe of his rolling stock to which he answered "of course!" Then I asked him what the big screw in the center of the truck was for. Real trains have a pin that holds the truck, but you can lift the car body and the truck will roll out from under the car...there is no giant screw. Then I asked if he scratchbuilt a structure to qualify for the MMR, and did it have lights in it? "Yes!" Did he put wall outlets in the walls and have a fuse box in the building? He was speechless. After a minute or two of this I told him that he did too much modeling that "ain't prottotypical." He left. Gary thanked me. Stumpy Stone...still playing with trains...Martins Ferry, OH.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40702	From: lember2004	Date: 6/7/2006
Subject: Will the real S-scale vehicle please stand up

I've started adding vehicles [mostly trucks] to my layout whose packaging says "1/64", but some are vastly different in size from others. As just one example, I'm now looking at a Johnny Lightning delivery van and a Hartoy AHL stake bed; the former is dwarfed by the latter and can readily sit in the bed of the AHL truck, yet both are listed as S scale! What gives? Any help to clear my confusion would be appreciated! Mark

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40703	From: Phil K	Date: 6/7/2006
Subject: Re: "It ain't prototypical!"

You're one of a kind, Stump. Don't ever change. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Stumpy Stone" <mrstumpy@...> wrote: > > An incident happened in the hobby shop this afternoon that you might > find interesting the next time someone gives you a hard time > about "playing with TOY trains." > When I walked in at 3:30 a guy was giving Gary (hobby shop owner) a > hard time about having too many toy trains and not enough "real" HO > trains in the store. He boasted that he was an MMR (Master Model > Railroader, an NMRA award) and he was into "prototypical model > railroading." > I asked him if he detailed the underframe of his rolling stock to > which he answered "of course!" Then I asked him what the big screw in > the center of the truck was for. Real trains have a pin that holds > the truck, but you can lift the car body and the truck will roll out > from under the car...there is no giant screw. > Then I asked if he scratchbuilt a structure to qualify for the MMR, > and did it have lights in it? "Yes!" Did he put wall outlets in the > walls and have a fuse box in the building? He was speechless. > After a minute or two of this I told him that he did too much > modeling that "ain't prottotypical." He left. Gary thanked me. > Stumpy Stone...still playing with trains...Martins Ferry, OH. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40704	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 6/7/2006
Subject: Re: "It ain't prototypical!"

Yea Stumpy - you are a Gem! Thanks for helping us to keep our minds straight on Toy Trains! There are real trains and there are Toy Trains! Thanks Jerry M Phil K <waldootten@...> wrote: You're one of a kind, Stump. Don't ever change. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Stumpy Stone" <mrstumpy@...> wrote: > > An incident happened in the hobby shop this afternoon that you might > find interesting the next time someone gives you a hard time > about "playing with TOY trains." > When I walked in at 3:30 a guy was giving Gary (hobby shop owner) a > hard time about having too many toy trains and not enough "real" HO > trains in the store. He boasted that he was an MMR (Master Model > Railroader, an NMRA award) and he was into "prototypical model > railroading." > I asked him if he detailed the underframe of his rolling stock to > which he answered "of course!" Then I asked him what the big screw in > the center of the truck was for. Real trains have a pin that holds > the truck, but you can lift the car body and the truck will roll out > from under the car...there is no giant screw. > Then I asked if he scratchbuilt a structure to qualify for the MMR, > and did it have lights in it? "Yes!" Did he put wall outlets in the > walls and have a fuse box in the building? He was speechless. > After a minute or two of this I told him that he did too much > modeling that "ain't prottotypical." He left. Gary thanked me. > Stumpy Stone...still playing with trains...Martins Ferry, OH. > Jerry Matsick RESPOND TO Mtoytrain@... Jacksonville, Florida TCA 04-57715 NASG __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40705	From: Eric R.	Date: 6/7/2006
Subject: Great kit building website !

I found this from an Sn3 list the other day. The person who has this site has gone to great detail to demonstrate and evaluate the building of many kits manufactured for s gauge. Incredible stuff. The evaluations he has done and the pictures he has taken can give you a good idea weather or not to build many kits. http://home.earthlink.net/~tomt491/home.html Eric Reis Kenmore, Wa. Typical disclaimer here: I have no relationship to the owner of the site or any of the kit makers [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40706	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 6/7/2006
Subject: Re: Will the real S-scale vehicle please stand up

Mark, You will find, as many of us, that Johnny Lightning vehicles are sometime a bit undersized. tTe Hartoy ones are dead on 1:64. Of course, they are usually an older prototype and look smaller compared with today's larger vehicles. AHL items are very good looking and go very well on a transitional layout. I try to pick up as many as I can at swap meets. Jerry Poniatowski Registrar, 2006 NASG National Convention Pontiac, MI --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "lember2004" <lember2004@...> wrote: > > I've started adding vehicles [mostly trucks] to my layout whose > packaging says "1/64", but some are vastly different in size from > others. As just one example, I'm now looking at a Johnny Lightning > delivery van and a Hartoy AHL stake bed; the former is dwarfed by the > latter and can readily sit in the bed of the AHL truck, yet both are > listed as S scale! What gives? Any help to clear my confusion would > be appreciated! Mark >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40707	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 6/7/2006
Subject: Re: Will the real S-scale vehicle please stand up

Mark and RR gang! I agree this is one of the most frustrating things about true 1/64 or 3/16 S Gauge Autos, Trucks etc. I too would like to know what there is such a vast difference in two cars listed as 1/64? Jerry M lember2004 <lember2004@...> wrote: I've started adding vehicles [mostly trucks] to my layout whose packaging says "1/64", but some are vastly different in size from others. As just one example, I'm now looking at a Johnny Lightning delivery van and a Hartoy AHL stake bed; the former is dwarfed by the latter and can readily sit in the bed of the AHL truck, yet both are listed as S scale! What gives? Any help to clear my confusion would be appreciated! Mark Jerry Matsick RESPOND TO Mtoytrain@... Jacksonville, Florida TCA 04-57715 NASG __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40708	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 6/7/2006
Subject: Re: "It ain't prototypical!"

Stump Man, I think you may have lost a customer, but I would have given a case of 10W40 to have seen it! Jerry Poniatowski Registrar, 2006 NASG National Convention Pontiac, MI --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Stumpy Stone" <mrstumpy@...> wrote: > > An incident happened in the hobby shop this afternoon....

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40709	From: Rick Evans	Date: 6/8/2006
Subject: Re: "It ain't prototypical!"

**(((You're one of a kind, Stump. Don't ever change.)))*** Ditto. I think. :^) Rick. - [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40710	From: Rick Evans	Date: 6/8/2006
Subject: Re: Will the real S-scale vehicle please stand up

As a 1/64th scale car collector, I enjoy these threads. But didn't we just have this conversation a short time back?? :^) Rick. - We Made Changes Your Yahoo! Groups email is all new. Learn More Share Feedback Recent Activity a.. 3New Members Visit Your Group . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40711	From: jayhoo64	Date: 6/8/2006
Subject: Re: Will the real S-scale vehicle please stand up

Jerry M wrote: > I too would like to know what there is such a vast difference in two >cars listed as 1/64? Y'know, I have been asking that question in discussion forums for years, and I've never gotten a coherent answer. The excuses never stand up to any logical analysis. Frankly, I'm beginning to think the people making these "1/64" cars don't know the answer themselves. At least not any answer besides "we don't care". It's probable they don't think enough of their customers care. In fairness to Johnny Lightning, it should be noted that they do not usually put the figure "1/64" on their blistercards. Still, most collectors regard them as "in the range" of 1/64. Often they are too small, such as their Citroen DS, which is 1/70. Sometimes they are too big, like the Vega I mentioned before, which measures out at 1/60. Sometimes they actually are 1/64, such as their '67,'68, and '69 Camaros. Hot Wheels doesn't make any scale claims in their normal $1 line, but they do sometimes make the claim for their "Collectibles" line. Those are a bit pricey, though. Matchbox puts the scale on the bottom of their regular "1-75" line, but those figures can sometimes be inaccurate. Some companies like Jada, display "1/64" plainly on their packaging, but the contents are obviously way out of proportion for any scale, and way too big for 1/64. There are several such companies making cars in the $3 to $5 range. Jada is kind of a sore point with me; they were fairly accurate when they started a few years ago. It is a bit of a jungle out in the "1/64" diecast car world, scale wise. If you see something with 1/87" on the card, you can be sure it's true to that scale. Same with 1/72, 1/48, 1/43, 1/35, etc. 1/25 is always carefully distinguished from 1/24. If you find something 1/18, you know it ain't 1/16. But when you see "1/64" on a package, suddenly things get very murky and uncertain. 'Tis a puzzlement. Chuck F.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40712	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 6/8/2006
Subject: Re: Integrated S gauge collecting or not?

Was wondering how many of you are strictly Gilbert American Flyer Collectors and or operators? Is there those out there that have a "complete" collection or near complete? I would be honored to be able to view such a collection, I have it in pictures and catalogs but don't think I have all? It is a neat thing to have? but I find it hard to pass up on the super trains coming from S Helper, American Models and now Lionel. I believe one would have to have a strong mind set to do just that? Jerry Matsick Jacksonvile

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40713	From: Roy Inman	Date: 6/8/2006
Subject: Re: Great kit building website !

Tom does some professional kit building and evaluation for at least one manufacturer of S kits. A really fine craftsman and photographer, and nearly as I can tell, a fast builder as well. At least fast by my "snail mail" efforts :) His site is definitely worth a look. Cheers :) Roy Inman From: "Eric R." <northline@...> Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 17:27:15 -0700 To: s-scale@yahoogroups.com, S-trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Great kit building website ! I found this from an Sn3 list the other day. The person who has this site has gone to great detail to demonstrate and evaluate the building of many kits manufactured for s gauge. Incredible stuff. The evaluations he has done and the pictures he has taken can give you a good idea weather or not to build many kits. http://home.earthlink.net/~tomt491/home.html Eric Reis Kenmore, Wa. Typical disclaimer here: I have no relationship to the owner of the site or any of the kit makers [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40714	From: Dave Farquhar	Date: 6/8/2006
Subject: Re: Buying 99 cent bargain cars on Ebay

Always get a shipping quote up front. This is common practice. I've had pleasant surprises, such as a time when I expected to be gouged $40 for shipping (I wanted the item badly) and ended up being charged $3-$4, but I've had the opposite happen too. Many sellers are honest, but others are less so. I would expect eBay to want to crack down on this, since large numbers of people are obviously using shipping to lower their eBay listing fees and commissions, which in turn causes them to lose money. Dave Farquhar --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Phil K" <waldootten@...> wrote: > > You're right on, George. I once bought a 1:64 vehicle I wanted for > $1.99 on eBay. The seller said shipping cost was based on distance. > He charged me $9 for S&H. A cut-up, used cereal box, newspaper > packing and $1.40 for regular postage. I complained to eBay and > never received a reply. Never again. I'll buy my vehicles at Kmart. > > I once had a guy try to charge me $40 to ship a train set that weighed 5 lbs. and wasn't in the orginal box. After I threatened to leave bad feedback, he agreed to drop the price to $15. Still, his UPS charge was $4.85 and he too used a beat-up used box. > > Phil K >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40715	From: romoyer@att.net	Date: 6/8/2006
Subject: My ebay story and a warning

Ladies and Gentleman: Here's a quick story and a warning. I sold two rerailers on Ebay last month. The winning bidder sent me the payment, I sent the rerailers. Possibly because it was only going from Doylestown PA to Allentown PA (I could have delivered myself) I did not insure, or receive confirm. The buyer says they never received, I wait, still no gots. I refund. (even their cost for MO) Now the buyer has a rerailer for sale up on ebay. I saw the picture and the listing. A mere coincidence? I sent an email to the seller stating such. Legally this isn't proovable but it definitly ain't kosher. So the moral of the story is, sell on ebay definitly do the receive confirm when sending. This is the first time this has been done to me on ebay. Regards Bob Moyer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40716	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 6/8/2006
Subject: S SCALE CARS

Remember to use the ruler in your pocket to check...... most standard cars are around 16' to 18' depending on typ....... EXAMPLE.... My 97 Thunderbird is 14'=6" long.... My Ruler I carry is any Bill..... 100's work best...... FOLD IT IN HALF..... THAT EQUALS RIGHT AT 16'-2" IN "S" SCALE or 1/64.. HOLD IT UP AGAINST THE CAR.... BTW..... 2 bills end to end equals about 65'.....Bob C [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40717	From: Phil K	Date: 6/8/2006
Subject: eBay seller runaround

Since we're discussing frustrations with eBay practices and sellers, let me throw this grist into the mill: On February 27, I used Buy-It-Now to purchase an AF repro train shed on eBay. The seller listed two at $7.99 each. Someone else bought the first one, and I bought the one that was left. But I was happy to find such a nice bargain for a change. The seller refused to complete the sale, claiming "somebody" hacked his eBay site (which I thought would make an interesting news story, as eBay is proud of its air-tight security). This will get no editorializing on my part because the back-and- forth series of emails fully describes the transaction. As an aside, my perfect feedback record got its first negative in 615 transactions over six years because of this. Here's what I received for feedback: "What a pompus, unreasonable nightmare to ever have to deal with to deal with [sic]" ********************************************************* Subject: Re: Message from eBay Member Regarding Item #6022901616 Date: 2/28/2006 1:19:52 P.M. Central Standard Time From: LC11572 Reply To: To: PuttLagger Phil Someone has infiltrated my e bay store and played games with about 6 items price wise thus far. At first I thought we had made a mistake in listing but then realized that we have been hacked. If that's the correct term. Some people have brought it to our attention and a few have placed bids. It is being investigated. All I can do is beg your forgiveness and ask you to ignore this purchase. You have dealt with me, and know me for years, and know I do not conduct business in this manner. Thank you for your understanding in this matter. Marty Cohen Marty's Trains Inc. **************************************************************** Subject: Re: Message from eBay Member Regarding Item #6022901616 Date: 3/2/2006 4:06:01 P.M. Central Standard Time From: PuttLagger Reply To: To: LC11572 Marty -- I am so sorry someone hacked your eBay site. I hope it hasn't hurt your business. Sure, we can ignore this purchase. But let's follow the Ebay rules to protect ourselves here. All you need to do is have the eBay investigator handling this hacking case send me an official notice stating that your site was fraudulently tampered with, and because this particular auction was directly involved in the tampering incident, it is officially canceled by eBay. That should do it. Phil *************************************************************** Subject: Status requested Date: 3/8/2006 10:50:37 A.M. Central Standard Time From: PuttLagger Reply To: To: LC11572 Hi Marty -- It's been six days and I haven't heard anything from eBay regarding the tampering incident. I check my eBay home page every day, as I assume that is where the message would appear. I know they must be very busy these days, and was wondering if perhaps you could update me on the situation. Thanks, Phil K ********************************************************* Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 16:00:32 EST Subject: Re: Status requested To: PuttLagger@... Subject: Re: Status requested Date: 3/8/2006 3:00:32 P.M. Central Standard Time From: LC11572 Reply To: To: PuttLagger Phil I have no intention to follow up on E bay. I reasoned out that some one in two of the website companies who have previously handled my website and mailing lists and who has had access to my password and codes for working on my business, or one of their emoployees [sic] who might have thought this was a joke, or maybe a spiteful act was in order. I cannot accuse anyone and everyone I spoke to about it said to change my information and go on with life. I would like to do just that. I was not able to cancel the bids and got no satisfaction when I requested help in the matter. Thankfully everyone involved has been understanding and I have had no further problems with my E bay store or auctions. I'm truly sorry you were involved but it was not of my doing. Again many thanks for both your help and concern. Marty **************************************************************** Subject: Re: Status requested Date: 3/8/2006 7:14:09 P.M. Central Standard Time From: PuttLagger Reply To: To: LC11572 Sorry, Marty, but this little scenario isn't what I agreed to. You made the decision not to involve eBay. Fine, but now I expect you to fulfill the contract of this auction. Your site getting 'hacked' isn't my problem as a buyer, especially when you choose not to involve eBay, and especially since you gave your password codes to others. That's YOUR problem. There is no way I can -- as you requested -- simply "ignore" this auction. No way. A successful sale was made employing the 'Buy It Now' option you offered. I am mailing you a check for $7.99 (winning bid amount) for the train shed and include $8.99 for shipping as described in the listing. I expect to receive my item within reasonable time. If not received in good condition within a reasonable amount of time, I shall pursue this further, through eBay. Phil K ********************************************************************* Subject: Re: Status requested Date: 3/9/2006 7:40:07 A.M. Central Standard Time From: LC11572 Reply To: To: PuttLagger Phil I am quite familiar with the E bay rules. Please feel free to do what ever you wish to do to me. What I have told you is truthful and if you do not choose to believe me feel free to take any action you choose with E bay. Marty -30-

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40718	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 6/8/2006
Subject: Re: "It ain't prototypical!"

TROUBLEMAKER!!!!! ;<) Dick Kuepper Aurora, OH -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Stumpy Stone Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 6:06 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] "It ain't prototypical!" An incident happened in the hobby shop this afternoon that you might find interesting the next time someone gives you a hard time about "playing with TOY trains." When I walked in at 3:30 a guy was giving Gary (hobby shop owner) a hard time about having too many toy trains and not enough "real" HO trains in the store. He boasted that he was an MMR (Master Model Railroader, an NMRA award) and he was into "prototypical model railroading." I asked him if he detailed the underframe of his rolling stock to which he answered "of course!" Then I asked him what the big screw in the center of the truck was for. Real trains have a pin that holds the truck, but you can lift the car body and the truck will roll out from under the car...there is no giant screw. Then I asked if he scratchbuilt a structure to qualify for the MMR, and did it have lights in it? "Yes!" Did he put wall outlets in the walls and have a fuse box in the building? He was speechless. After a minute or two of this I told him that he did too much modeling that "ain't prottotypical." He left. Gary thanked me. Stumpy Stone...still playing with trains...Martins Ferry, OH. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40719	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 6/8/2006
Subject: Re: eBay seller runaround

Fortunately I have not encountered any really bad situations as are being described here. But I have a comment on Phil's questioning about hacking. I had not sold anything on ebay for several years when I suddenly received a notification confirming that I had listed a professional camera at over $5000 and another electronic device (I forget what), also at several thousand dollars. I immediately logged on and, sure enough, there they were under my name. Luckily, I could log in, so I just typed "this is a fraud" all over the posting and notified ebay security. I never heard another word, but I know the site can be hacked. And what if I hadn't been home or ebay hadn't sent the confirmation? Dick Kuepper Aurora, OH -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Phil K Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 3:49 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] eBay seller runaround Since we're discussing frustrations with eBay practices and sellers, let me throw this grist into the mill: On February 27, I used Buy-It-Now to purchase an AF repro train shed on eBay. The seller listed two at $7.99 each. Someone else bought the first one, and I bought the one that was left. But I was happy to find such a nice bargain for a change. The seller refused to complete the sale, claiming "somebody" hacked his eBay site (which I thought would make an interesting news story, as eBay is proud of its air-tight security). This will get no editorializing on my part because the back-and- forth series of emails fully describes the transaction. As an aside, my perfect feedback record got its first negative in 615 transactions over six years because of this. Here's what I received for feedback: "What a pompus, unreasonable nightmare to ever have to deal with to deal with [sic]" ********************************************************* Subject: Re: Message from eBay Member Regarding Item #6022901616 Date: 2/28/2006 1:19:52 P.M. Central Standard Time From: LC11572 Reply To: To: PuttLagger Phil Someone has infiltrated my e bay store and played games with about 6 items price wise thus far. At first I thought we had made a mistake in listing but then realized that we have been hacked. If that's the correct term. Some people have brought it to our attention and a few have placed bids. It is being investigated. All I can do is beg your forgiveness and ask you to ignore this purchase. You have dealt with me, and know me for years, and know I do not conduct business in this manner. Thank you for your understanding in this matter. Marty Cohen Marty's Trains Inc. **************************************************************** Subject: Re: Message from eBay Member Regarding Item #6022901616 Date: 3/2/2006 4:06:01 P.M. Central Standard Time From: PuttLagger Reply To: To: LC11572 Marty -- I am so sorry someone hacked your eBay site. I hope it hasn't hurt your business. Sure, we can ignore this purchase. But let's follow the Ebay rules to protect ourselves here. All you need to do is have the eBay investigator handling this hacking case send me an official notice stating that your site was fraudulently tampered with, and because this particular auction was directly involved in the tampering incident, it is officially canceled by eBay. That should do it. Phil *************************************************************** Subject: Status requested Date: 3/8/2006 10:50:37 A.M. Central Standard Time From: PuttLagger Reply To: To: LC11572 Hi Marty -- It's been six days and I haven't heard anything from eBay regarding the tampering incident. I check my eBay home page every day, as I assume that is where the message would appear. I know they must be very busy these days, and was wondering if perhaps you could update me on the situation. Thanks, Phil K ********************************************************* Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 16:00:32 EST Subject: Re: Status requested To: PuttLagger@aol. <mailto:PuttLagger%40aol.com> com Subject: Re: Status requested Date: 3/8/2006 3:00:32 P.M. Central Standard Time From: LC11572 Reply To: To: PuttLagger Phil I have no intention to follow up on E bay. I reasoned out that some one in two of the website companies who have previously handled my website and mailing lists and who has had access to my password and codes for working on my business, or one of their emoployees [sic] who might have thought this was a joke, or maybe a spiteful act was in order. I cannot accuse anyone and everyone I spoke to about it said to change my information and go on with life. I would like to do just that. I was not able to cancel the bids and got no satisfaction when I requested help in the matter. Thankfully everyone involved has been understanding and I have had no further problems with my E bay store or auctions. I'm truly sorry you were involved but it was not of my doing. Again many thanks for both your help and concern. Marty **************************************************************** Subject: Re: Status requested Date: 3/8/2006 7:14:09 P.M. Central Standard Time From: PuttLagger Reply To: To: LC11572 Sorry, Marty, but this little scenario isn't what I agreed to. You made the decision not to involve eBay. Fine, but now I expect you to fulfill the contract of this auction. Your site getting 'hacked' isn't my problem as a buyer, especially when you choose not to involve eBay, and especially since you gave your password codes to others. That's YOUR problem. There is no way I can -- as you requested -- simply "ignore" this auction. No way. A successful sale was made employing the 'Buy It Now' option you offered. I am mailing you a check for $7.99 (winning bid amount) for the train shed and include $8.99 for shipping as described in the listing. I expect to receive my item within reasonable time. If not received in good condition within a reasonable amount of time, I shall pursue this further, through eBay. Phil K ********************************************************************* Subject: Re: Status requested Date: 3/9/2006 7:40:07 A.M. Central Standard Time From: LC11572 Reply To: To: PuttLagger Phil I am quite familiar with the E bay rules. Please feel free to do what ever you wish to do to me. What I have told you is truthful and if you do not choose to believe me feel free to take any action you choose with E bay. Marty -30- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40720	From: Phil K	Date: 6/8/2006
Subject: eBay seller runaround

Let me add that three months ago today I sent these emails to eBay, following their protocol for filing a complaint against a seller who refuses to complete a transaction. I received confirmation that eBay had received my complaint, and would get to me within a short time frame. I'm stilll waiting.........

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40721	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 6/8/2006
Subject: Re: Will the real S-scale vehicle please stand up

Mark - There is a photo album that compares hundreds of vehicles with an s-scale cop, but my computer crashed and I don't have the link on my new one. Someone can point you in the right direction?? Dick Kuepper Aurora, OH -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Poniatowski Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 9:44 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Will the real S-scale vehicle please stand up Mark, You will find, as many of us, that Johnny Lightning vehicles are sometime a bit undersized. tTe Hartoy ones are dead on 1:64. Of course, they are usually an older prototype and look smaller compared with today's larger vehicles. AHL items are very good looking and go very well on a transitional layout. I try to pick up as many as I can at swap meets. Jerry Poniatowski Registrar, 2006 NASG National Convention Pontiac, MI --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com, "lember2004" <lember2004@...> wrote: > > I've started adding vehicles [mostly trucks] to my layout whose > packaging says "1/64", but some are vastly different in size from > others. As just one example, I'm now looking at a Johnny Lightning > delivery van and a Hartoy AHL stake bed; the former is dwarfed by the > latter and can readily sit in the bed of the AHL truck, yet both are > listed as S scale! What gives? Any help to clear my confusion would > be appreciated! Mark > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40722	From: Rick Evans	Date: 6/8/2006
Subject: FFW #7

I added a couple of new pics thanks to Tom Rolfsmeyer. http://s-scale.org/albums/v/friends/bassflyer/bassflyer_006/ Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40723	From: Rick Evans	Date: 6/8/2006
Subject: Re: Will the real S-scale vehicle please stand up

This one?? http://s-scale.org/albums/v/friends/jayhoo64/4/ Rick. Mark - There is a photo album that compares hundreds of vehicles with an s-scale cop, but my computer crashed and I don't have the link on my new one. Someone can point you in the right direction?? Dick Kuepper Aurora, OH -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Poniatowski Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 9:44 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Will the real S-scale vehicle please stand up Mark, You will find, as many of us, that Johnny Lightning vehicles are sometime a bit undersized. tTe Hartoy ones are dead on 1:64. Of course, they are usually an older prototype and look smaller compared with today's larger vehicles. AHL items are very good looking and go very well on a transitional layout. I try to pick up as many as I can at swap meets. Jerry Poniatowski Registrar, 2006 NASG National Convention Pontiac, MI --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com, "lember2004" <lember2004@...> wrote: > > I've started adding vehicles [mostly trucks] to my layout whose > packaging says "1/64", but some are vastly different in size from > others. As just one example, I'm now looking at a Johnny Lightning > delivery van and a Hartoy AHL stake bed; the former is dwarfed by the > latter and can readily sit in the bed of the AHL truck, yet both are > listed as S scale! What gives? Any help to clear my confusion would > be appreciated! Mark > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40724	From: Phil K	Date: 6/8/2006
Subject: Re: eBay seller runaround

Dick, Rick et al -- I am aware that nothing is absolutely secure on the Internet. The problem I had with this incident was that the seller first blamed eBay, then refused to involve eBay in an investigation, which made me suspicious. That scenario would have protected the buyer. When pressed to go through the proper channels and report the hacking incident to eBay, which is the right thing to do because a customer is involved, suddenly the story changed to blaming someone in-house to whom he gave his password. His being so lax with security should not be the buyer's problem. And as far as I'm concerned does not get him off the hook because what happened was totally his fault, and not eBay's. So I guess anytime a seller does not want to complete a contract (eBay's words) because an item sold for far below expected price, or any other reason, the seller can just claim "I got hacked by someone to whom I gave my password" and walk away from the deal unscathed? Is that how eBay wants to allow its sellers to operate? I'm pretty mad eBay so far has ignored this incident. Phil K --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Dick Kuepper" <rkuepper@...> wrote: > > Fortunately I have not encountered any really bad situations as are being > described here. But I have a comment on Phil's questioning about hacking. > > > > I had not sold anything on ebay for several years when I suddenly received a > notification confirming that I had listed a professional camera at over > $5000 and another electronic device (I forget what), also at several > thousand dollars. I immediately logged on and, sure enough, there they were > under my name. Luckily, I could log in, so I just typed "this is a fraud" > all over the posting and notified ebay security. I never heard another word, > but I know the site can be hacked. And what if I hadn't been home or ebay > hadn't sent the confirmation? > > > > Dick Kuepper > > Aurora, OH >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40725	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 6/8/2006
Subject: Re: My ebay story and a warning

Moral of the story is Never refund on a lost item. When you put it into the mail it belongs to the buyer. If he did not ask for insurance they it is his loss. The Supreme Court of the US of A has ruled such. Thank you Larry Jackman ljack70117@... On Jun 8, 2006, at 2:31 PM, romoyer@... wrote: > Ladies and Gentleman: > > Here's a quick story and a warning. I sold two rerailers on Ebay > last month. The winning bidder sent me the payment, I sent the > rerailers. Possibly because it was only going from Doylestown PA to > Allentown PA (I could have delivered myself) I did not insure, or > receive confirm. The buyer says they never received, I wait, still > no gots. I refund. (even their cost for MO) Now the buyer has a > rerailer for sale up on ebay. I saw the picture and the listing. A > mere coincidence? I sent an email to the seller stating such. > Legally this isn't proovable but it definitly ain't kosher. So the > moral of the story is, sell on ebay definitly do the receive > confirm when sending. This is the first time this has been done to > me on ebay. > > Regards > > Bob Moyer > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40726	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 6/8/2006
Subject: Re: Will the real S-scale vehicle please stand up

That's it. Thanks, Rick, now I can put it back in Favorites. Dick -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rick Evans Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 5:32 PM To: STrains Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Will the real S-scale vehicle please stand up This one?? http://s-scale. <http://s-scale.org/albums/v/friends/jayhoo64/4/> org/albums/v/friends/jayhoo64/4/ Rick. Mark - There is a photo album that compares hundreds of vehicles with an s-scale cop, but my computer crashed and I don't have the link on my new one. Someone can point you in the right direction?? Dick Kuepper Aurora, OH -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Poniatowski Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 9:44 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Will the real S-scale vehicle please stand up Mark, You will find, as many of us, that Johnny Lightning vehicles are sometime a bit undersized. tTe Hartoy ones are dead on 1:64. Of course, they are usually an older prototype and look smaller compared with today's larger vehicles. AHL items are very good looking and go very well on a transitional layout. I try to pick up as many as I can at swap meets. Jerry Poniatowski Registrar, 2006 NASG National Convention Pontiac, MI --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com, "lember2004" <lember2004@...> wrote: > > I've started adding vehicles [mostly trucks] to my layout whose > packaging says "1/64", but some are vastly different in size from > others. As just one example, I'm now looking at a Johnny Lightning > delivery van and a Hartoy AHL stake bed; the former is dwarfed by the > latter and can readily sit in the bed of the AHL truck, yet both are > listed as S scale! What gives? Any help to clear my confusion would > be appreciated! Mark > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40727	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 6/8/2006
Subject: Re: My ebay story and a warning

Bob..... I have a similar Problem........ I sold 8 AHL trucks to one fellow...... You would not believe the hate mail I got...... Why the delay shipping..... PO said I cashed the MO the 24 th....... Why am I scamming people....Hes contacting thr Postal Police.....etc.... my email address and ebay name are different..... DUH !!!! I got the MO on the 30 th........ shipped on the 3 rd ......got a small note from him....all arrived fine....he was happy....... This guy must have sent 30 emails so far...... ( I haven't cashed the MO yet ) I never ship ANYTHING without the Confifmation sheet.... I use the free USPO site...... and charge the postage...... Bob C ----- Original Message ----- From: romoyer@... To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 2:31 PM Subject: [S-Trains] My ebay story and a warning Ladies and Gentleman: Here's a quick story and a warning. I sold two rerailers on Ebay last month. The winning bidder sent me the payment, I sent the rerailers. Possibly because it was only going from Doylestown PA to Allentown PA (I could have delivered myself) I did not insure, or receive confirm. The buyer says they never received, I wait, still no gots. I refund. (even their cost for MO) Now the buyer has a rerailer for sale up on ebay. I saw the picture and the listing. A mere coincidence? I sent an email to the seller stating such. Legally this isn't proovable but it definitly ain't kosher. So the moral of the story is, sell on ebay definitly do the receive confirm when sending. This is the first time this has been done to me on ebay. Regards Bob Moyer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40728	From: Scott Holm	Date: 6/8/2006
Subject: Re: My ebay story and a warning

That's ridiculous Larry, The buyer is not responsible for items lost in the mail, the Supreme Court never ruled any such thing. You're Welcome Scott Holm ljack70117@... wrote: Moral of the story is Never refund on a lost item. When you put it into the mail it belongs to the buyer. If he did not ask for insurance they it is his loss. The Supreme Court of the US of A has ruled such. Thank you Larry Jackman ljack70117@... On Jun 8, 2006, at 2:31 PM, romoyer@... wrote: > Ladies and Gentleman: > > Here's a quick story and a warning. I sold two rerailers on Ebay > last month. The winning bidder sent me the payment, I sent the > rerailers. Possibly because it was only going from Doylestown PA to > Allentown PA (I could have delivered myself) I did not insure, or > receive confirm. The buyer says they never received, I wait, still > no gots. I refund. (even their cost for MO) Now the buyer has a > rerailer for sale up on ebay. I saw the picture and the listing. A > mere coincidence? I sent an email to the seller stating such. > Legally this isn't proovable but it definitly ain't kosher. So the > moral of the story is, sell on ebay definitly do the receive > confirm when sending. This is the first time this has been done to > me on ebay. > > Regards > > Bob Moyer > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40729	From: race944t	Date: 6/8/2006
Subject: York Oct 2006

Where is the link to your survey? I'm planning on going but always camp. Bill Clark

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40730	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 6/8/2006
Subject: Re: eBay seller runaround

I absolutely agree with you, Phil. But just remember who's paying their fee (directly). Dick -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Phil K Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 5:26 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: eBay seller runaround Dick, Rick et al -- I am aware that nothing is absolutely secure on the Internet. The problem I had with this incident was that the seller first blamed eBay, then refused to involve eBay in an investigation, which made me suspicious. That scenario would have protected the buyer. When pressed to go through the proper channels and report the hacking incident to eBay, which is the right thing to do because a customer is involved, suddenly the story changed to blaming someone in-house to whom he gave his password. His being so lax with security should not be the buyer's problem. And as far as I'm concerned does not get him off the hook because what happened was totally his fault, and not eBay's. So I guess anytime a seller does not want to complete a contract (eBay's words) because an item sold for far below expected price, or any other reason, the seller can just claim "I got hacked by someone to whom I gave my password" and walk away from the deal unscathed? Is that how eBay wants to allow its sellers to operate? I'm pretty mad eBay so far has ignored this incident. Phil K --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com, "Dick Kuepper" <rkuepper@...> wrote: > > Fortunately I have not encountered any really bad situations as are being > described here. But I have a comment on Phil's questioning about hacking. > > > > I had not sold anything on ebay for several years when I suddenly received a > notification confirming that I had listed a professional camera at over > $5000 and another electronic device (I forget what), also at several > thousand dollars. I immediately logged on and, sure enough, there they were > under my name. Luckily, I could log in, so I just typed "this is a fraud" > all over the posting and notified ebay security. I never heard another word, > but I know the site can be hacked. And what if I hadn't been home or ebay > hadn't sent the confirmation? > > > > Dick Kuepper > > Aurora, OH > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40731	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 6/8/2006
Subject: Re: S SCALE CARS

I just went to the store and tried this...... they , hot wheels, have a nice pickup 50's truck thats looks good..... But its right at 15'..... their Corvette was right at 15' to which is close ..... Have to measure mine to be sure... most other hw were WAY off.... Bob C. Try It ----- Original Message ----- From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 2:13 PM Subject: [S-Trains] S SCALE CARS Remember to use the ruler in your pocket to check...... most standard cars are around 16' to 18' depending on typ....... EXAMPLE.... My 97 Thunderbird is 14'=6" long.... My Ruler I carry is any Bill..... 100's work best...... FOLD IT IN HALF..... THAT EQUALS RIGHT AT 16'-2" IN "S" SCALE or 1/64.. HOLD IT UP AGAINST THE CAR.... BTW..... 2 bills end to end equals about 65'.....Bob C [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40732	From: Don	Date: 6/9/2006
Subject: Mystic station

This may be an old question, but it's new to me. I'm rebuilding my 50 y/o boxed up Mystic station. The windows have become detached from the station. Any guidance on the best way to glue or tape them back? It looks as if whatever was used to put them in place also made the paint come off over time. The original paint and glue is on the windows. Any help would be appreciated.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40733	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 6/9/2006
Subject: Re: My ebay story and a warning

A deli in New York City bought a refrigerator and it was shipped to them. When it arrived the truck driver unloaded it on to the sidewalk in front of the store. The owner wanted him to bring it into the store. The driver refused because it was a tail gate delivery. The store owner refused to accept it so the driver left it and went on his merry way. Over night Vandals destroyed the unit. The store owner sued the manufacture to get his money back. The Case went to the US of A Supreme Court who ruled that it was the buyers property when it was turned over to the trucking company. Unless you have an agreement with the seller every thing is FOB the sellers front door and belongs to you when the carrier accepts the package. IF YOU DO NOT BELIVE ME ASK YOUR LAWYER TO LOOK UP THE CASE and you can read it for yourself. That is why i buy insurance when I buy some thing. Thank you Larry Jackman ljack70117@... On Jun 8, 2006, at 6:33 PM, Scott Holm wrote: > That's ridiculous Larry, The buyer is not responsible for items > lost in the mail, the Supreme Court never ruled any such thing. > > You're Welcome > Scott Holm > > ljack70117@... wrote: > Moral of the story is Never refund on a lost item. When > you put it > into the mail it belongs to the buyer. If he did not ask for > insurance they it is his loss. The Supreme Court of the US of A has > ruled such. > Thank you > Larry Jackman > ljack70117@... > > On Jun 8, 2006, at 2:31 PM, romoyer@... wrote: > >> Ladies and Gentleman: >> >> Here's a quick story and a warning. I sold two rerailers on Ebay >> last month. The winning bidder sent me the payment, I sent the >> rerailers. Possibly because it was only going from Doylestown PA to >> Allentown PA (I could have delivered myself) I did not insure, or >> receive confirm. The buyer says they never received, I wait, still >> no gots. I refund. (even their cost for MO) Now the buyer has a >> rerailer for sale up on ebay. I saw the picture and the listing. A >> mere coincidence? I sent an email to the seller stating such. >> Legally this isn't proovable but it definitly ain't kosher. So the >> moral of the story is, sell on ebay definitly do the receive >> confirm when sending. This is the first time this has been done to >> me on ebay. >> >> Regards >> >> Bob Moyer >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> >> >> >> >> S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com >> All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! >> >> Enjoy thousands of great photos >> at http://S-Scale.org/albums >> Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40734	From: Mark Preman	Date: 6/9/2006
Subject: Tons of American Flyer Trains For sale

Sorry for the late notice but, the new list is up with tons of new stuph. Click on this; http://www.americanflyertrains.com Mark Mark B. Preman AmericanFlyerTrains.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40735	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 6/9/2006
Subject: Re: S Trains in Jacksonville

Welcomed to my home and to visit my trains, Mr. Bob Conner and Mr. Lloyd Lippert, but avid American Flyer fans, and hopefully this will be the beginning of a "S Gauge Modular Association" there are a number of other guys in the metro-plex area that we hopefully can get interested. S Gauge is on the move and growing. If you know any guys out there, direct them to us. Jerry Matsick Jack S Ville

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40736	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 6/9/2006
Subject: Re: eBay seller runaround

I am very sorry to learn of Phil K's negetive he got on Ebay, for something he did not do. I know that is very upsetting to him, as I agree, you really have to have done something really bad to someone to post a negetive. But in posting negetive comments, if you want to, you can wait till the 90th day of the close of the bid to post something and then you can not post anything. Nor can the person post a negetive about you. However, they can still post a comment on the negetive you posted, which could be considered a negetive on you, but it will not show up your Ebay scoring. Case in point: A few years ago, I wrote about a 21130 Hudson I won on Ebay. The description by the seller wrote that nothing broken and all steps present. And that according to TCA, which he wrote he was a member, the piece would be E+. I won that item for 625 or so, which I was quite happy with the price. He charged me 25 for shipping and insurance, which I did not question, since it was a heavy metal engine and I did not have exprience on engine shipping cost. Well, as you might remember, the engine came and yes, all steps were present, but they were glued on with repro steps. I called him on this and he finally agreed to take it back, but he blamed me for not asking if the steps were glued! By his description, I should not have to ask, as there was no repro sticker on the tender as TCA requires for repro parts. Plus anything with repro parts can not be graded higher than E. Totally weird. Plus he deducted 18 dollars from the check for his Ebay fee, which he did not have to pay, since the sale was return. Oh, my return shipping with insurance was 15. So I got him to refund 10 on the first shipping, but this whole deal cost me 50 in the end. I filed two letters on him to TCA and no action against him was taken, not even a letter of warning. But anyway, I felt he deserved a negetive, not me, so I waited the 90 days to post the negetive against him, as he already had 3 negetives. None of the negetives he got before, where about the item he shipped, mainly packaging. Well, two months ago, I noticed he posted a bad relpy about me on his negetive I gave him, which a seller could see about me, on my ID page. I will copy my negetive and what he wrote in return on another email. Totally bizarre. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40737	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 6/9/2006
Subject: Ebay reply

My Negative about the whole sale, which I only wrote the truth. What really got me mad to do this, was the fact that would not budge on the ebay fee he claim he had to pay. Oh, plus the headlight wire was taped on to the bulb base, a minor issue, but again, the wire was broken off the solder. I never contacted him, once my money came back, so I have no idea what he meant about that. My complaint to TCA? They never contacted him, which he deserve to be contacted by TCA. His reply is totally silly. Mike Marmer My comment about him: grossly bad description, would not take responsibility for his actions, awful Seller canam666prr ( 212) May-03-04 14:23 3173123026 Reply by canam666prr: unreasonable individual even after money was refunded; stay away! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40738	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 6/9/2006
Subject: Re: My ebay story and a warning

In a message dated 6/8/2006 5:18:15 PM Central Standard Time, ljack70117@... writes: Moral of the story is Never refund on a lost item. When you put it into the mail it belongs to the buyer. If he did not ask for insurance they it is his loss. The Supreme Court of the US of A has ruled such. Thank you Larry Jackman ljack70117@... Larry, What would you recommend if a seller states that they do not offer insurance on shipping? What I do is to include a note in my payment email that the seller is responsible for insurance since he does not offer the buyer an option. If the seller does not offer insurance and the item never gets delivered, why should the buyer suffer? - Earl Henry, Nashville [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40739	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 6/9/2006
Subject: Re: Trains are like computers!

Trains are like computers, you buy what you think is the best thing out there and shortly afterwards a new and better product is on line. I love my S Helper trains, and they are just super, Locomatic control is ok, but S Helper has nowintroduced DCC engines? Does this mean that my Locomatic controlled engines are outdate? I am getting mixed signals on the operation of both from Showcaseline. Can they operate on the same track? Similar situation happend to me with O gauge, MTH with its DCS and Lionel with its TMCC, and basically they are supposed to be operational on the same track, but not really to the fulles capacity. I am frustrated with the current situation. Jerry Matsick Jacksonville.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40740	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 6/9/2006
Subject: Re: K-LINE TRACK

Anyone know what the going rate is for K-Line 54" curved track per piece is? Thank You Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40741	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 6/9/2006
Subject: Re: My ebay story and a warning

I have a background in food service sales and Larry is right about the item being unloaded off the truck only to the sidewalk. The deli owner knew that there would be an additional charge to have the product taken off the truck to where he wanted it. That is standard shipping of hardgoods in the food service industry and probably in other industries. The owner brought the item and it was his, as the terms of delivery is written out at the time of the sale. It was his responsibility to have the means to get the product from the sidewalk to inside the store. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: ljack70117@... To: Scott Holm Cc: s-trains Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 6:04 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] My ebay story and a warning A deli in New York City bought a refrigerator and it was shipped to them. When it arrived the truck driver unloaded it on to the sidewalk in front of the store. The owner wanted him to bring it into the store. The driver refused because it was a tail gate delivery. The store owner refused to accept it so the driver left it and went on his merry way. Over night Vandals destroyed the unit. The store owner sued the manufacture to get his money back. The Case went to the US of A Supreme Court who ruled that it was the buyers property when it was turned over to the trucking company. Unless you have an agreement with the seller every thing is FOB the sellers front door and belongs to you when the carrier accepts the package. IF YOU DO NOT BELIVE ME ASK YOUR LAWYER TO LOOK UP THE CASE and you can read it for yourself. That is why i buy insurance when I buy some thing. Thank you Larry Jackman ljack70117@... On Jun 8, 2006, at 6:33 PM, Scott Holm wrote: > That's ridiculous Larry, The buyer is not responsible for items > lost in the mail, the Supreme Court never ruled any such thing. > > You're Welcome > Scott Holm > > ljack70117@... wrote: > Moral of the story is Never refund on a lost item. When > you put it > into the mail it belongs to the buyer. If he did not ask for > insurance they it is his loss. The Supreme Court of the US of A has > ruled such. > Thank you > Larry Jackman > ljack70117@... > > On Jun 8, 2006, at 2:31 PM, romoyer@... wrote: > >> Ladies and Gentleman: >> >> Here's a quick story and a warning. I sold two rerailers on Ebay >> last month. The winning bidder sent me the payment, I sent the >> rerailers. Possibly because it was only going from Doylestown PA to >> Allentown PA (I could have delivered myself) I did not insure, or >> receive confirm. The buyer says they never received, I wait, still >> no gots. I refund. (even their cost for MO) Now the buyer has a >> rerailer for sale up on ebay. I saw the picture and the listing. A >> mere coincidence? I sent an email to the seller stating such. >> Legally this isn't proovable but it definitly ain't kosher. So the >> moral of the story is, sell on ebay definitly do the receive >> confirm when sending. This is the first time this has been done to >> me on ebay. >> >> Regards >> >> Bob Moyer >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> >> >> >> >> S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com >> All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! >> >> Enjoy thousands of great photos >> at http://S-Scale.org/albums >> Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40742	From: Scott Holm	Date: 6/9/2006
Subject: Re: My ebay story and a warning

There doesn't appear to be anything in the Supreme Court case files with anything remotely close to this. Unless you can cite a case number we'll have to consider this story apocryphal. In other words, an urban legend. ljack70117@... wrote: A deli in New York City bought a refrigerator and it was shipped to them. When it arrived the truck driver unloaded it on to the sidewalk in front of the store. The owner wanted him to bring it into the store. The driver refused because it was a tail gate delivery. The store owner refused to accept it so the driver left it and went on his merry way. Over night Vandals destroyed the unit. The store owner sued the manufacture to get his money back. The Case went to the US of A Supreme Court who ruled that it was the buyers property when it was turned over to the trucking company. Unless you have an agreement with the seller every thing is FOB the sellers front door and belongs to you when the carrier accepts the package. IF YOU DO NOT BELIVE ME ASK YOUR LAWYER TO LOOK UP THE CASE and you can read it for yourself. That is why i buy insurance when I buy some thing. Thank you Larry Jackman ljack70117@... On Jun 8, 2006, at 6:33 PM, Scott Holm wrote: > That's ridiculous Larry, The buyer is not responsible for items > lost in the mail, the Supreme Court never ruled any such thing. > > You're Welcome > Scott Holm > > ljack70117@... wrote: > Moral of the story is Never refund on a lost item. When > you put it > into the mail it belongs to the buyer. If he did not ask for > insurance they it is his loss. The Supreme Court of the US of A has > ruled such. > Thank you > Larry Jackman > ljack70117@... > > On Jun 8, 2006, at 2:31 PM, romoyer@... wrote: > >> Ladies and Gentleman: >> >> Here's a quick story and a warning. I sold two rerailers on Ebay >> last month. The winning bidder sent me the payment, I sent the >> rerailers. Possibly because it was only going from Doylestown PA to >> Allentown PA (I could have delivered myself) I did not insure, or >> receive confirm. The buyer says they never received, I wait, still >> no gots. I refund. (even their cost for MO) Now the buyer has a >> rerailer for sale up on ebay. I saw the picture and the listing. A >> mere coincidence? I sent an email to the seller stating such. >> Legally this isn't proovable but it definitly ain't kosher. So the >> moral of the story is, sell on ebay definitly do the receive >> confirm when sending. This is the first time this has been done to >> me on ebay. >> >> Regards >> >> Bob Moyer >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> >> >> >> >> S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com >> All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! >> >> Enjoy thousands of great photos >> at http://S-Scale.org/albums >> Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40743	From: reynoldsjmus	Date: 6/9/2006
Subject: why ebay

as an am flyer operator since 1951 and nasg supporter/member since 1960, i need to trade and buy/sell occasionally. i dont see the need for ebay at all since we have this yahoo group to put buyers/traders together, who can do the business by direct email, all details handled up front like adults. if you are a bigger dealer, you should have a website to handle your business anyway. this petty thread on ebay problems don't belong on the list. my 2 cents, dale

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40744	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 6/9/2006
Subject: AM PA Set on Ebay with only one powered unit ???

Are the American Models PAs offered as dummy units? I thought they were only offered powered. Item number: 6064358732 on eBay is an PA-PB-PA set by American Models in the Union Pacific scheme. Seller says one PA is powered. I cannot find in the description whether this is AC or DC. I wrote message to seller two days ago asking clarification and have not received a responsse. Anyone want to comment on this item? - Earl Henry, Nashville [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40745	From: Scott Holm	Date: 6/9/2006
Subject: Re: My ebay story and a warning

There doesn't appear to be anything in the Supreme Court case files with anything remotely close to this. Unless you can cite a case number we'll have to consider this story apocryphal. In other words, an urban legend. ljack70117@... wrote: A deli in New York City bought a refrigerator and it was shipped to them. When it arrived the truck driver unloaded it on to the sidewalk in front of the store. The owner wanted him to bring it into the store. The driver refused because it was a tail gate delivery. The store owner refused to accept it so the driver left it and went on his merry way. Over night Vandals destroyed the unit. The store owner sued the manufacture to get his money back. The Case went to the US of A Supreme Court who ruled that it was the buyers property when it was turned over to the trucking company. Unless you have an agreement with the seller every thing is FOB the sellers front door and belongs to you when the carrier accepts the package. IF YOU DO NOT BELIVE ME ASK YOUR LAWYER TO LOOK UP THE CASE and you can read it for yourself. That is why i buy insurance when I buy some thing. Thank you Larry Jackman ljack70117@... On Jun 8, 2006, at 6:33 PM, Scott Holm wrote: > That's ridiculous Larry, The buyer is not responsible for items > lost in the mail, the Supreme Court never ruled any such thing. > > You're Welcome > Scott Holm > > ljack70117@... wrote: > Moral of the story is Never refund on a lost item. When > you put it > into the mail it belongs to the buyer. If he did not ask for > insurance they it is his loss. The Supreme Court of the US of A has > ruled such. > Thank you > Larry Jackman > ljack70117@... > > On Jun 8, 2006, at 2:31 PM, romoyer@... wrote: > >> Ladies and Gentleman: >> >> Here's a quick story and a warning. I sold two rerailers on Ebay >> last month. The winning bidder sent me the payment, I sent the >> rerailers. Possibly because it was only going from Doylestown PA to >> Allentown PA (I could have delivered myself) I did not insure, or >> receive confirm. The buyer says they never received, I wait, still >> no gots. I refund. (even their cost for MO) Now the buyer has a >> rerailer for sale up on ebay. I saw the picture and the listing. A >> mere coincidence? I sent an email to the seller stating such. >> Legally this isn't proovable but it definitly ain't kosher. So the >> moral of the story is, sell on ebay definitly do the receive >> confirm when sending. This is the first time this has been done to >> me on ebay. >> >> Regards >> >> Bob Moyer >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> >> >> >> >> S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com >> All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! >> >> Enjoy thousands of great photos >> at http://S-Scale.org/albums >> Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40746	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 6/9/2006
Subject: Re: My ebay story and a warning

I would not buy from a buyer that will not insure the shipment. Thank you Larry Jackman ljack70117@... On Jun 9, 2006, at 1:04 PM, tennsgauge@... wrote: > In a message dated 6/8/2006 5:18:15 PM Central Standard Time, > ljack70117@... writes: > Moral of the story is Never refund on a lost item. When you put it > into the mail it belongs to the buyer. If he did not ask for > insurance then it is his loss. The Supreme Court of the US of A has > ruled such. > Thank you > Larry Jackman > ljack70117@... > Larry, > > What would you recommend if a seller states that they do not offer > insurance > on shipping? What I do is to include a note in my payment email > that the > seller is responsible for insurance since he does not offer the > buyer an option. > If the seller does not offer insurance and the item never gets > delivered, why > should the buyer suffer? > > - Earl Henry, Nashville > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40747	From: BENJAMIN PERRY	Date: 6/10/2006
Subject: Re: My ebay story and a warning

Greetings All; Wish I could remember back more than 45 years ago, when I took a course in transportation law and also commercial law. One of the most complicated items was: When does title pass when goods are shipped. Is it at the point of origin (shipper) or at destination (consignee). If my dim memory is correct, if the shipping charges were prepaid, title passed at point of origin, but if shipping charges were collect, title passed at destination. Back then many of this type of dispute was settled in the courts and by the Interstate Commerce Commission. I believe that this instant case involves the postal service and their regulations may be different than regular common carriers such as UPS. Maybe a large national group like the TCA or NMRA have a law person(s) in their membership that could check this out. It would be a great service to the hobby. Ben Perry The hobo Lets his Whiskers sprout It's trains-not girls That he takes out BURMA-SHAVE -----Original Message----- From: Scott Holm Sent: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 12:07:37 -0700 To: s-trains Cc: s-trains Subject: Re: [S-Trains] My ebay story and a warning There doesn't appear to be anything in the Supreme Court case files with anything remotely close to this. Unless you can cite a case number we'll have to consider this story apocryphal. In other words, an urban legend. ljack70117@... wrote: A deli in New York City bought a refrigerator and it was shipped to them. When it arrived the truck driver unloaded it on to the sidewalk in front of the store. The owner wanted him to bring it into the store. The driver refused because it was a tail gate delivery. The store owner refused to accept it so the driver left it and went on his merry way. Over night Vandals destroyed the unit. The store owner sued the manufacture to get his money back. The Case went to the US of A Supreme Court who ruled that it was the buyers property when it was turned over to the trucking company. Unless you have an agreement with the seller every thing is FOB the sellers front door and belongs to you when the carrier accepts the package. IF YOU DO NOT BELIVE ME ASK YOUR LAWYER TO LOOK UP THE CASE and you can read it for yourself. That is why i buy insurance when I buy some thing. Thank you Larry Jackman ljack70117@... On Jun 8, 2006, at 6:33 PM, Scott Holm wrote: > That's ridiculous Larry, The buyer is not responsible for items > lost in the mail, the Supreme Court never ruled any such thing. > > You're Welcome > Scott Holm > > ljack70117@... wrote: > Moral of the story is Never refund on a lost item. When > you put it > into the mail it belongs to the buyer. If he did not ask for > insurance they it is his loss. The Supreme Court of the US of A has > ruled such. > Thank you > Larry Jackman > ljack70117@... > > On Jun 8, 2006, at 2:31 PM, romoyer@... wrote: > >> Ladies and Gentleman: >> >> Here's a quick story and a warning. I sold two rerailers on Ebay >> last month. The winning bidder sent me the payment, I sent the >> rerailers. Possibly because it was only going from Doylestown PA to >> Allentown PA (I could have delivered myself) I did not insure, or >> receive confirm. The buyer says they never received, I wait, still >> no gots. I refund. (even their cost for MO) Now the buyer has a >> rerailer for sale up on ebay. I saw the picture and the listing. A >> mere coincidence? I sent an email to the seller stating such. >> Legally this isn't proovable but it definitly ain't kosher. So the >> moral of the story is, sell on ebay definitly do the receive >> confirm when sending. This is the first time this has been done to >> me on ebay. >> >> Regards >> >> Bob Moyer >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> >> >> >> >> S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com >> All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! >> >> Enjoy thousands of great photos >> at http://S-Scale.org/albums >> Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40748	From: Donald Munsey Jr.	Date: 6/10/2006
Subject: Calling Chris Burger

Cris Burger, manager of Elizabeth Station Trains in Dayton, Ohio, please contact me off-list - both of the e-mail addresses I have are bouncing back. THNX, Don Munsey, Jr. dmunseyjr@... Sn42 and Hn42 logging fan Virginian Rwy fan Bonsai grasshopper Living in the UpperRightCorner of Louisiana. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40749	From: Roy Inman	Date: 6/10/2006
Subject: Re: K-LINE TRACK

The biggest problem I am finding is not how much, but where. Roy From: anormal1@... Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 16:57:04 -0400 (EDT) To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] RE: K-LINE TRACK Anyone know what the going rate is for K-Line 54" curved track per piece is? Thank You Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40750	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 6/10/2006
Subject: Re: My ebay story and a warning

OK I will give you another one that goes the other way. I read about this one in a trade magazine called "Modern Machine Shop. A company (It was named but I do not remember it) did their Tax return with check for payment of taxes. They put into the US mail system. It was lost. The IRS came after them for failing to file. There was interest and penalties charged. They sued the USPS to collect the extra money they had to pay. The courts ruled the USPS was not responsible. That it why when I send my return to the IRS I send it "Registered, return receipt". They have to sign for it and I can prove I mailed it and if lost the IRS lost it. If you walk into J C Penny and buy some thing. When you pay your money who does the item belong to at that point? You of course. You can pick it up and walk out with it. But what if it is to big to put into your car. You ask for delivery and J C sets up a delivery for you. At that point who owns it? You do of course. So it is no different if you order it from them by phone pay by plastic card and have them send it to you. It belongs to YOU when they charge your credit card. The Deli case, I do not remember where I read it or any names. I know the deli was Manhattan in NYC. The shipper was some where in PA IIRC. IIRC this was back it the late 70s. I will give you an other one A manufacture in Australia built a 2 million dollar machine and shipped it in two containers, with insurance for the boat ride. When it arrived at the port in the US of A it was turned over to a RR for final delivery. The RR had a wreck and destroyed the machine. It turned out that the boat company had set up the RR's part in the delivery and the RR ended up paying 200 dollars for each container and contents under maritime law. I read this one on the net at a court's web sight. Thank you Larry Jackman ljack70117@... On Jun 10, 2006, at 1:00 AM, Dale Smith wrote: > OK, Larry, I'll bite. I am a lawyer and I'll look it up if you can > give me a little more information. A citation would be great, but > not essential, so how about a name, or a year, or even how you > heard about it. Did you read about in a news story? > > I have to say though, it doesn't sound like something the U.S. > Supreme Court would expound on as they generally limit themselves > to constitutional questions or cases from forums that provide an > automatic appeal to the Supremes. > > It would be logical to assume the deli owner paid for the > refrigerator before it was shipped and so he must have been suing > for a refund from the seller. He would have been alleging breach > of contract. I don't doubt that the decision came out the way it > did, but it was probably for the reason Mike Marmer stated. The > contract called for sidewalk delivery and the seller fulfilled his > part of the contract, hence no breach of the contract. It would > not be because the item became the property of the buyer upon > delivery to the shipper. These things are usually covered in the > contract. I am with you on the moral of the story though, buy > insurance. That will cover the cases where neither the buyer nor > seller is responsible for the damage. > > Dale Smith > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: ljack70117@... > To: Scott Holm > Cc: s-trains > Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 3:04 AM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] My ebay story and a warning > > A deli in New York City bought a refrigerator ... > > DO NOT BELIVE ME > ASK YOUR LAWYER TO LOOK UP THE CASE and you can read it for yourself. > That is why i buy insurance when I buy some thing. > Thank you > Larry Jackman > ljack70117@... > > > We Made Changes > Your Yahoo! Groups email is all new. > > Learn More > > > Share Feedback > > Recent Activity > 3 > New Members > Visit Your Group > . > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40751	From: Roy Inman	Date: 6/10/2006
Subject: Re: AM PA Set on Ebay with only one powered unit ???

My guess is that since they have the AF compatible couplers they are AC. But that is just a guess. Roy From: tennsgauge@... Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 13:39:51 -0400 (EDT) To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] AM PA Set on Ebay with only one powered unit ??? Are the American Models PAs offered as dummy units? I thought they were only offered powered. Item number: 6064358732 on eBay is an PA-PB-PA set by American Models in the Union Pacific scheme. Seller says one PA is powered. I cannot find in the description whether this is AC or DC. I wrote message to seller two days ago asking clarification and have not received a responsse. Anyone want to comment on this item? - Earl Henry, Nashville [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40752	From: bellokdaka@webtv.net	Date: 6/10/2006
Subject: S-TRAINS LIST (Maybe Considered Train Related-Maybe Not)

Hello All. I joined this list in '98 suspended this list in '99 when I retired and moved to TN and then rejoined in 2001. In that time I have read with interest most of your emails regarding our beloved S-Gauge hobby. I have also had interest in discussions of compatable diecast vehicles, eBay and even most of the non-train related topics. I have contributed a little to this list and also have initiated and joined in a few topics that became rather heated. Nevertheless sometimes trying to get your point across will bring out emotions that sometimes you may possibly regret at a later date. I have had some nice exchanges of private email from members of this list from throughout the country and including Australia. In agreement or in heated argument I have enjoyed it all, however, my current situation requires that sometime next week I will have to suspend my subscription as I will need to cancel my internet service for at least 3 - 6 months. From time to time I will enter the main website to catch up on what I am missing, but I thought I would take this time to tell you all goodbye and it's been a pleasure. OH BOY! TRAINS!..........Herky 1950 Obie Bell

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40753	From: Rick Evans	Date: 6/10/2006
Subject: Re: why ebay

**((((this petty thread on ebay problems don't belong on the list. my 2 cents,)))*** This has been discussed MANY times on the list. To some, eBay is a important part of their American Flyer collecting. It was for me at one time. Train shows were at least a three hour drive, one way, and there wasn't that many of them. I have bought one loco from a list person and I have bought a few goodies direct from SHS. I've gotten many "runners" off eBay, and most of the time have gotten some very good deals IMHO. Some hate Ebay, some tolerate eBay, some like eBay........and some, believe it or not, LOVE eBay. Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40754	From: Dale Smith	Date: 6/10/2006
Subject: Re: My ebay story and a warning

OK, Larry, I'll bite. I am a lawyer and I'll look it up if you can give me a little more information. A citation would be great, but not essential, so how about a name, or a year, or even how you heard about it. Did you read about in a news story? I have to say though, it doesn't sound like something the U.S. Supreme Court would expound on as they generally limit themselves to constitutional questions or cases from forums that provide an automatic appeal to the Supremes. It would be logical to assume the deli owner paid for the refrigerator before it was shipped and so he must have been suing for a refund from the seller. He would have been alleging breach of contract. I don't doubt that the decision came out the way it did, but it was probably for the reason Mike Marmer stated. The contract called for sidewalk delivery and the seller fulfilled his part of the contract, hence no breach of the contract. It would not be because the item became the property of the buyer upon delivery to the shipper. These things are usually covered in the contract. I am with you on the moral of the story though, buy insurance. That will cover the cases where neither the buyer nor seller is responsible for the damage. Dale Smith ----- Original Message ----- From: ljack70117@... To: Scott Holm Cc: s-trains Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 3:04 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] My ebay story and a warning A deli in New York City bought a refrigerator ... DO NOT BELIVE ME ASK YOUR LAWYER TO LOOK UP THE CASE and you can read it for yourself. That is why i buy insurance when I buy some thing. Thank you Larry Jackman ljack70117@... We Made Changes Your Yahoo! Groups email is all new. Learn More Share Feedback Recent Activity a.. 3New Members Visit Your Group . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40755	From: Don Thompson	Date: 6/10/2006
Subject: Re: Trains are like computers!

Dear Jerry, I know you have not been in "S" as long as our product line, but when we introduced our very first engine, the SW-9, it had a NMRA DCC socket so they could be easily converted to DCC. I think this was about 10 years ago! We introduced DCC to "S" years before we offered LM. RE: DCC - The NMRA is interested in making it better for model railroaders, so they standardized a system of motor controls that would be open source. Today, scores of companies are making items that are in compliance to the NMRA DCC standards. Just about everything works together so we have Soundtraxx sound units with Lenz, Digitrax or NCE decoders with few if any problems. When we introduced LocoMatic to our customers in the F3s in 1999, it was the only sound system that would operate on AC and DC without a costly system (the Lenz set 100 that we offer with our products for the reduced price of $270). It is much more advanced than the Ott (AM) 2 button DC offset sound system in that you have up to 19 functions vs. 2. Also, the 2 button system only will operate with AC. Is Locomatic as advanced as DCC, No it is not. The main reason in my mind is that the sound units are not addressable and the lack of CVs. These are changes in the software in the decoder that the modeler can program (e.g. bell ring rate, different horns or whistles, volume of each sound, etc.). The advantage for LM, it is very simple to learn. For really advanced DCC, it is easiest with a computer attached to a section of track. TMCC and DCS are proprietary products from Lionel and MTH and not available to other "S" companies so for us, it is not really an option to consider. If you would like TMCC in AM or AC Gilbert items (or for that fact 99.99% of what "L" has made in "S"), Carl has a very nice website that we have links to! So, if you want DCC is any or our engines it is really no problem. Unlike other "S" and "O" companies, we have taken that into consideration. You can purchase the DCC decoders or sound units from us. If your engine has installed speakers (last run of SW-9s, NW-2s, F3s, F7s and 2-8-0s), then unplug the LM and plug in the DCC. It is the same as if you wanted DC no sound. Just plug in the DC no sound plug into the socket! I am not sure if you can operate DCC with the LM system. I am not sure if the signals interfere with each other. Maybe someone a bit more electronic astute can give us that answer. I am sorry to hear that you are frustrated. For us here are SHS, we do not care what system one uses, we want to make our products available for all modelers in whatever system they prefer. Best regards, Don. Jerry Matsick wrote: > Trains are like computers, you buy what you think is the best thing > out there and shortly afterwards a new and better product is on line. > I love my S Helper trains, and they are just super, Locomatic control > is ok, but S Helper has nowintroduced DCC engines? Does this mean that > my Locomatic controlled engines are outdate? I am getting mixed > signals on the operation of both from Showcaseline. Can they operate > on the same track? Similar situation happend to me with O gauge, > MTH with its DCS and Lionel with its TMCC, and basically they are > supposed to be operational on the same track, but not really to the > fulles capacity. > I am frustrated with the current situation. > > Jerry Matsick > Jacksonville > > <http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/_ylc=X3oDMTJjcG9qaGtyBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTYwMTUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2Z2hwBHN0aW1lAzExNDk5MDIwNzk-;_ylg=1/SIG=11ba7dgbg/**http%3a//groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains> > > . > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40756	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 6/10/2006
Subject: "And now for something completely different..."

It's time to quote Monte Python and get on with another subject; Where is your railroad located? The hobby shop gang got talking one day about how the various state governments seem to have forgotten we exist when it comes to road repair, education funding, etc. So I proposed we create our own state. Now look at your Road Atlas and follow along..... Ohio doesn't know there is any of it's state East of Cambridge, West Virginia doesn't seem to realize it has a Northern Panhandle, and Pennsylvania thinks the state line is Pittsburgh. And so the tri- state area has become a separate state using parts of the bigger states' names; Wespenio. While the state lines change, the geography stays the same of course. However, the Great State of Wespenio charters new railroads such as American Flyer Lines, Rock Ridge Railway, etc.to interact and compete with existing lines such as the B & O, Pennsy, and such. Now if you think this idea is off the wall, you can go South to a Central American country called Costa Rialto where one of my On30 railways is located. Stumpy Stone...State Procurer of Wespenio.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40757	From: Roy Inman	Date: 6/10/2006
Subject: Re: why ebay

Seems to me that eBay and the internet in general, are microcosms that reflect our species: some beautiful examples of humans at their best and some ugly examples of humans at their worst. Naive as I am, I tent to assume no one intends me harm until I see behavior to the contrary. But as in any buyer-seller relationship, I do my best to not be taken advantage of. Just as many on this list, I sometimes get scammed despite all efforts. IMHO, discussions such as this can help make the "newbies" (as we all once were) more aware of the questionable tactics of specific individuals and the various scams out there. Applied knowledge is power and empowering. Roy Inman From: Rick Evans <bassflyer@...> Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 20:17:46 -0700 To: STrains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] why ebay **((((this petty thread on ebay problems don't belong on the list. my 2 cents,)))*** This has been discussed MANY times on the list. To some, eBay is a important part of their American Flyer collecting. It was for me at one time. Train shows were at least a three hour drive, one way, and there wasn't that many of them. I have bought one loco from a list person and I have bought a few goodies direct from SHS. I've gotten many "runners" off eBay, and most of the time have gotten some very good deals IMHO. Some hate Ebay, some tolerate eBay, some like eBay........and some, believe it or not, LOVE eBay. Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40758	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 6/10/2006
Subject: Sunday Chat, 6/11/2006, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 40759	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 6/10/2006
Subject: Re: My ebay story and a warning

I do not remember where I read it or the year. Names were given but I do not remember. It was in the early 80 as I had just gone into business as a MR manufacture. I made a mental note that as to what the law was when shipping. I said the Supreme Court ruled. If the court refuses to hear an appeal from a lower court and lets the lower court ruling stand, as far as I am concerned that is a Supreme Court ruling. FOB my shop is means the buyer owns it when I give it to the carrier. That is if he paid in advance with shipping costs. That is the only way I would ship to any one. Thank you Larry Jackman ljack70117@... On Jun 10, 2006, at 1:00 AM, Dale Smith wrote: > OK, Larry, I'll bite. I am a lawyer and I'll look it up if you can > give me a little more information. A citation would be great, but > not essential, so how about a name, or a year, or even how you > heard about it. Did you read about in a news story? > > I have to say though, it doesn't sound like something the U.S. > Supreme Court would expound on as they generally limit themselves > to constitutional questions or cases from forums that provide an > automatic appeal to the Supremes. > > It would be logical to assume the deli owner paid for the > refrigerator before it was shipped and so he must have been suing > for a refund from the seller. He would have been alleging breach > of contract. I don't doubt that the decision came out the way it > did, but it was probably for the reason Mike Marmer stated. The > contract called for sidewalk delivery and the seller fulfilled his > part of the contract, hence no breach of the contract. It would > not be because the item became the property of the buyer upon > delivery to the shipper. These things are usually covered in the > contract. I am with you on the moral of the story though, buy > insurance. That will cover the cases where neither the buyer nor > seller is responsible for the damage. > > Dale Smith > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: ljack70117@... > To: Scott Holm > Cc: s-trains > Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 3:04 AM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] My ebay story and a warning > > > A deli in New York City bought a refrigerator ... > > DO NOT BELIVE ME > ASK YOUR LAWYER TO LOOK UP THE CASE and you can read it for > yourself. > That is why i buy insurance when I buy some thing. > Thank you > Larry Jackman > ljack70117@... > > > We Made Changes > Your Yahoo! Groups email is all new. > > Learn More > > > Share Feedback > > Recent Activity > a.. 3New Members > Visit Your Group . > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40760	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 6/11/2006
Subject: Re: "And now for something completely different..."

Well Stumpy since most of us model fallen flag railroads this makes sense. Welcome to the Stony Creek branch line of the Reconail (Reading/Conrail Railroad) of Wespenio. Staying on the Reconail of Wespenio, Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: Stumpy Stone To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2006 7:17 AM Subject: [S-Trains] "And now for something completely different..." It's time to quote Monte Python and get on with another subject; Where is your railroad located? The hobby shop gang got talking one day about how the various state governments seem to have forgotten we exist when it comes to road repair, education funding, etc. So I proposed we create our own state. Now look at your Road Atlas and follow along..... Ohio doesn't know there is any of it's state East of Cambridge, West Virginia doesn't seem to realize it has a Northern Panhandle, and Pennsylvania thinks the state line is Pittsburgh. And so the tri- state area has become a separate state using parts of the bigger states' names; Wespenio. While the state lines change, the geography stays the same of course. However, the Great State of Wespenio charters new railroads such as American Flyer Lines, Rock Ridge Railway, etc.to interact and compete with existing lines such as the B & O, Pennsy, and such. Now if you think this idea is off the wall, you can go South to a Central American country called Costa Rialto where one of my On30 railways is located. Stumpy Stone...State Procurer of Wespenio. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40761	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 6/11/2006
Subject: Re: "And now for something completely different..."

"Procurer" of what, Mr. Stone?? Dick Kuepper Aurora, Wespenio -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Stumpy Stone Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2006 7:17 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] "And now for something completely different..." It's time to quote Monte Python and get on with another subject; Where is your railroad located? The hobby shop gang got talking one day about how the various state governments seem to have forgotten we exist when it comes to road repair, education funding, etc. So I proposed we create our own state. Now look at your Road Atlas and follow along..... Ohio doesn't know there is any of it's state East of Cambridge, West Virginia doesn't seem to realize it has a Northern Panhandle, and Pennsylvania thinks the state line is Pittsburgh. And so the tri- state area has become a separate state using parts of the bigger states' names; Wespenio. While the state lines change, the geography stays the same of course. However, the Great State of Wespenio charters new railroads such as American Flyer Lines, Rock Ridge Railway, etc.to interact and compete with existing lines such as the B & O, Pennsy, and such. Now if you think this idea is off the wall, you can go South to a Central American country called Costa Rialto where one of my On30 railways is located. Stumpy Stone...State Procurer of Wespenio. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40762	From: Alex Sibbald	Date: 6/11/2006
Subject: Re: why ebay

Hi Roy, I agree with your assessment of Ebay. Living in San Diego has its advantages however finding used or new American Flyer is not one of them. I have acquired most of my A.F. trains from Ebay. Happily the vast majority of my encounters have been positive. I attribute that to the attitude of the group of persons who are involved with our trains. We have some bad onions but based on my experience most persons involved with A.F. trains on Ebay just want a good experience. I buy exclusively so my comments only apply to sellers. For myself, if it wasn't for Ebay, I would not have been able to find trains and accessories at an affordable price for my layout. The opinions and encounters of others on this list have educated me and enhanced my Ebay experience. Alex Sibbald Roy Inman wrote: > Seems to me that eBay and the internet in general, are microcosms that > reflect our species: some beautiful examples of humans at their best and > some ugly examples of humans at their worst. > Naive as I am, I tent to assume no one intends me harm until I see behavior > to the contrary. But as in any buyer-seller relationship, I do my best to > not be taken advantage of. Just as many on this list, I sometimes get > scammed despite all efforts. > IMHO, discussions such as this can help make the "newbies" (as we all once > were) more aware of the questionable tactics of specific individuals and the > various scams out there. > Applied knowledge is power and empowering. > Roy Inman > > From: Rick Evans <bassflyer@...> > Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 20:17:46 -0700 > To: STrains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] why ebay > > **((((this petty thread on ebay problems don't belong on the list. my 2 > cents,)))*** > > This has been discussed MANY times on the list. To some, > eBay is a important part of their American Flyer collecting. > It was for me at one time. > Train shows were at least a three hour drive, one way, and there wasn't that > many > of them. I have bought one loco from a list person and I have bought a few > goodies > direct from SHS. > I've gotten many "runners" off eBay, and most of the time have gotten some > very good > deals IMHO. > > Some hate Ebay, some tolerate eBay, some like eBay........and some, believe > it or not, > LOVE eBay. > > Rick. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40763	From: tomminil@aol.com	Date: 6/11/2006
Subject: Re: My ebay story and a warning

If you want insurance ask for it. It is difficult to offer insurance if you do not know the winning bid price Tom [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40764	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 6/11/2006
Subject: Re: My ebay story and a warning

Larry, & all I brought this up with my sons who ship a lot of stuff via USPO & FedEx. Insurance is only good for damaged items & the sender has to file the claim as he bought the "policy". Claims of non-delivery are the sender's(Seller)loss not the person that bought the item. They have had to refund $ even if there was a delivery confor. & a sig. of receiving the item. This is esp. true if the item was paid for with a CC. Paypal or just over the phone. The buyer just claims they did not get it & the CC co. takes their (The sellers) $ back. There is nothing that can be done. Even the police will not do anything. Next forget the PO FRAUD UNIT they have bigger fish to fry. Most sellers that have gotten burned will state a Postal, MO or Paypal without the use of a CC. If you get payment hang on to it & let the buyer fill out the forms. You have proof you sent it. The ball is in there court. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40765	From: trzp1800	Date: 6/11/2006
Subject: can't see the message board

Help! Did the board die? Can't read any messages since yesterday morning. Is it me or did the board die? Ted

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40766	From: Rick Evans	Date: 6/11/2006
Subject: Re: why ebay

**((((this petty thread on ebay problems don't belong on the list. my 2 cents,)))*** This has been discussed MANY times on the list. To some, eBay is a important part of their American Flyer collecting. It was for me at one time. Train shows were at least a three hour drive, one way, and there wasn't that many of them. I have bought one loco from a list person and I have bought a few goodies direct from SHS. I've gotten many "runners" off eBay, and most of the time have gotten some very good deals IMHO. Some hate Ebay, some tolerate eBay, some like eBay........and some, believe it or not, LOVE eBay. Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40767	From: Don Thompson	Date: 6/11/2006
Subject: Re: Trains are like computers!

Dear Jerry, I know you have not been in "S" as long as our product line, but when we introduced our very first engine, the SW-9, it had a NMRA DCC socket so they could be easily converted to DCC. I think this was about 10 years ago! We introduced DCC to "S" years before we offered LM. RE: DCC - The NMRA is interested in making it better for model railroaders, so they standardized a system of motor controls that would be open source. Today, scores of companies are making items that are in compliance to the NMRA DCC standards. Just about everything works together so we have Soundtraxx sound units with Lenz, Digitrax or NCE decoders with few if any problems. When we introduced LocoMatic to our customers in the F3s in 1999, it was the only sound system that would operate on AC and DC without a costly system (the Lenz set 100 that we offer with our products for the reduced price of $270). It is much more advanced than the Ott (AM) 2 button DC offset sound system in that you have up to 19 functions vs. 2. Also, the 2 button system only will operate with AC. Is Locomatic as advanced as DCC, No it is not. The main reason in my mind is that the sound units are not addressable and the lack of CVs. These are changes in the software in the decoder that the modeler can program (e.g. bell ring rate, different horns or whistles, volume of each sound, etc.). The advantage for LM, it is very simple to learn. For really advanced DCC, it is easiest with a computer attached to a section of track. TMCC and DCS are proprietary products from Lionel and MTH and not available to other "S" companies so for us, it is not really an option to consider. If you would like TMCC in AM or AC Gilbert items (or for that fact 99.99% of what "L" has made in "S"), Carl has a very nice website that we have links to! So, if you want DCC is any or our engines it is really no problem. Unlike other "S" and "O" companies, we have taken that into consideration. You can purchase the DCC decoders or sound units from us. If your engine has installed speakers (last run of SW-9s, NW-2s, F3s, F7s and 2-8-0s), then unplug the LM and plug in the DCC. It is the same as if you wanted DC no sound. Just plug in the DC no sound plug into the socket! I am not sure if you can operate DCC with the LM system. I am not sure if the signals interfere with each other. Maybe someone a bit more electronic astute can give us that answer. I am sorry to hear that you are frustrated. For us here are SHS, we do not care what system one uses, we want to make our products available for all modelers in whatever system they prefer. Best regards, Don. Jerry Matsick wrote: > Trains are like computers, you buy what you think is the best thing > out there and shortly afterwards a new and better product is on line. > I love my S Helper trains, and they are just super, Locomatic control > is ok, but S Helper has nowintroduced DCC engines? Does this mean that > my Locomatic controlled engines are outdate? I am getting mixed > signals on the operation of both from Showcaseline. Can they operate > on the same track? Similar situation happend to me with O gauge, > MTH with its DCS and Lionel with its TMCC, and basically they are > supposed to be operational on the same track, but not really to the > fulles capacity. > I am frustrated with the current situation. > > Jerry Matsick > Jacksonville > > <http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/_ylc=X3oDMTJjcG9qaGtyBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTYwMTUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2Z2hwBHN0aW1lAzExNDk5MDIwNzk-;_ylg=1/SIG=11ba7dgbg/**http%3a//groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains> > > . > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40768	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 6/11/2006
Subject: Re: My ebay story and a warning

OK I will give you another one that goes the other way. I read about this one in a trade magazine called "Modern Machine Shop. A company (It was named but I do not remember it) did their Tax return with check for payment of taxes. They put into the US mail system. It was lost. The IRS came after them for failing to file. There was interest and penalties charged. They sued the USPS to collect the extra money they had to pay. The courts ruled the USPS was not responsible. That it why when I send my return to the IRS I send it "Registered, return receipt". They have to sign for it and I can prove I mailed it and if lost the IRS lost it. If you walk into J C Penny and buy some thing. When you pay your money who does the item belong to at that point? You of course. You can pick it up and walk out with it. But what if it is to big to put into your car. You ask for delivery and J C sets up a delivery for you. At that point who owns it? You do of course. So it is no different if you order it from them by phone pay by plastic card and have them send it to you. It belongs to YOU when they charge your credit card. The Deli case, I do not remember where I read it or any names. I know the deli was Manhattan in NYC. The shipper was some where in PA IIRC. IIRC this was back it the late 70s. I will give you an other one A manufacture in Australia built a 2 million dollar machine and shipped it in two containers, with insurance for the boat ride. When it arrived at the port in the US of A it was turned over to a RR for final delivery. The RR had a wreck and destroyed the machine. It turned out that the boat company had set up the RR's part in the delivery and the RR ended up paying 200 dollars for each container and contents under maritime law. I read this one on the net at a court's web sight. Thank you Larry Jackman ljack70117@... On Jun 10, 2006, at 1:00 AM, Dale Smith wrote: > OK, Larry, I'll bite. I am a lawyer and I'll look it up if you can > give me a little more information. A citation would be great, but > not essential, so how about a name, or a year, or even how you > heard about it. Did you read about in a news story? > > I have to say though, it doesn't sound like something the U.S. > Supreme Court would expound on as they generally limit themselves > to constitutional questions or cases from forums that provide an > automatic appeal to the Supremes. > > It would be logical to assume the deli owner paid for the > refrigerator before it was shipped and so he must have been suing > for a refund from the seller. He would have been alleging breach > of contract. I don't doubt that the decision came out the way it > did, but it was probably for the reason Mike Marmer stated. The > contract called for sidewalk delivery and the seller fulfilled his > part of the contract, hence no breach of the contract. It would > not be because the item became the property of the buyer upon > delivery to the shipper. These things are usually covered in the > contract. I am with you on the moral of the story though, buy > insurance. That will cover the cases where neither the buyer nor > seller is responsible for the damage. > > Dale Smith > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: ljack70117@... > To: Scott Holm > Cc: s-trains > Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 3:04 AM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] My ebay story and a warning > > A deli in New York City bought a refrigerator ... > > DO NOT BELIVE ME > ASK YOUR LAWYER TO LOOK UP THE CASE and you can read it for yourself. > That is why i buy insurance when I buy some thing. > Thank you > Larry Jackman > ljack70117@... > > > We Made Changes > Your Yahoo! Groups email is all new. > > Learn More > > > Share Feedback > > Recent Activity > 3 > New Members > Visit Your Group > . > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40769	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 6/11/2006
Subject: Re: "And now for something completely different..."

Stumpy, That is Monty Python! LOL Can't wait to see Spam-O-Lot next month! Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40770	From: Robert Graves	Date: 6/11/2006
Subject: Flyonel SP 9500 combo & 9503 observation for sale

I started buying this set one car at a time, but stumbled onto the whole set at a price I couldn't refuse. So I have these two cars for sale. Both are like new in the box. If the wheels were clean, I'd think they were mint. There is no paperwork and the plastic bags aren't the originals. Greenberg lists each at $90 for New and TM says $90 for Like New. Add shipping at cost from San Diego (92014). Free packaging and no handling charge. Pictures are in the Gallery: http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/SP_Passenger.html I will also be selling three Gilbert hoppers that I need to take pictures of. Bob __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40771	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 6/11/2006
Subject: Re: My ebay story and a warning

There are a couple of issues that worry me. Some eBay sellers act as if they have absolutely no actual or moral responsibility for the items once they place them in the post. Problem with that is that the carrier considers the person handing them the item to be responsible for damage if it isn' packed properly. Now if that is an actual or assumed part of the contract to carry the item (private carrier or USPS),then I would have thought that in fact by implication the buyer might be the owner but they are not responsible for the item until they receive it! In fact if you as the seller receive money from a buyer to send something by post or carrier I would have thought it was your responsibilty to ensure that it gets there and by a safe and positive means. Unless you have some sort of acknowledged disclaimer then the seller is responsible vicariously for the loss. But I have no legal training so it is only an opinion. Alistair

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40772	From: Robert Graves	Date: 6/11/2006
Subject: Re: Integrated S gauge collecting or not?

The Upstairstrain is mostly Gilbert Flyer, with a bit of Flyonel, SHS, and AM thrown in. http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/WP_freight.html Needless to say, when I play on the floor with the kids, we use the Gilbert cars and engines! Jerry Matsick <jpmatsick@...> wrote: Was wondering how many of you are strictly Gilbert American Flyer Collectors and or operators? Is there those out there that have a "complete" collection or near complete? I would be honored to be able to view such a collection, I have it in pictures and catalogs but don't think I have all? It is a neat thing to have? but I find it hard to pass up on the super trains coming from S Helper, American Models and now Lionel. I believe one would have to have a strong mind set to do just that? Jerry Matsick Jacksonvile __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40773	From: T Larson	Date: 6/11/2006
Subject: older ERTL trucks

Here is a nice set of older (1970's?) Ertl semis. http://cgi.ebay.com/1126-S-GAUGE-ERTL-VEHICLES-BOXLOT-LOOK_W0QQitemZ6063552502QQihZ009QQcategoryZ16509QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem -- Ted Larson If a man is alone in a forest, is he still wrong?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40774	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 6/11/2006
Subject: TMC, DCC, QVCC, ETC

Bottom line..... NONE SOUNDS AND SMELLS LIKE MY OLD ACG.............. BOB [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40775	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 6/11/2006
Subject: Re;can't see the message board

It wasn't just you. When I got online last night it said "no activity" on this and another group I check out regularly. It's just now about 2:30pm and I see it's back. Hmmmm. I'm not too pleased with the new Yahoo format, nor do I like the fact that Yahoo is slower than it was before. I used to check things before I went to work in the morning, but Yahoo has gotten so slow, I just check it out in the evening only. Every other site I go to is running at normal speed. I wonder what is going on? Is Yahoo about to make certain Groups "disappear" again? Stumpy Stone...concerned in Appalachia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40776	From: bellokdaka@webtv.net	Date: 6/11/2006
Subject: S-TRAINS LIST (Maybe Considered Train Related-Maybe Not)

Hello All. I joined this list in '98 suspended this list in '99 when I retired and moved to TN and then rejoined in 2001. In that time I have read with interest most of your emails regarding our beloved S-Gauge hobby. I have also had interest in discussions of compatable diecast vehicles, eBay and even most of the non-train related topics. I have contributed a little to this list and also have initiated and joined in a few topics that became rather heated. Nevertheless sometimes trying to get your point across will bring out emotions that sometimes you may possibly regret at a later date. I have had some nice exchanges of private email from members of this list from throughout the country and including Australia. In agreement or in heated argument I have enjoyed it all, however, my current situation requires that sometime next week I will have to suspend my subscription as I will need to cancel my internet service for at least 3 - 6 months. From time to time I will enter the main website to catch up on what I am missing, but I thought I would take this time to tell you all goodbye and it's been a pleasure. OH BOY! TRAINS!..........Herky 1950 Obie Bell

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40777	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 6/11/2006
Subject: Re: My ebay story and a warning

Here's my 40+ cents. When insurance is bought the seller(Sender) buys it to protect his shipment. He is the one that has to file with the carrier. SO make the insurance MANDATORY or just figure it in ahead of time in the cost of shipping along with the 40 cents for conformation of delivery. What I see is people that are penny wise & pound foolish. Don't worry about protecting the buyer he will be if you protect yourself. You have an idea as to the value of the item. FedEx gives you $100 of free ins. You pay for postal ins. Protect yourself & buy the ins. This is not that hard to figure out. & the 40cents for the delivery confirm. is cheap to be able to win a fight over wheater or not it was sent, If the buyer after the ins. & conformation of delivery is in play still says he did not get the item YOU are dealing with a crook & you can tell him to kiss off unless he paid with a CC. THEN YOU LOSE. That's why a lot of sellers won't take Paypal or CC just POSTAL MO's (Not the ones from 7-11) or a certified bank check.. That's how my 2cents turned into 40. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40778	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 6/11/2006
Subject: Re: My ebay story and a warning

Not if it is FOB my warehouse. I guarantee all costs to that point and all others are your's after leaving my warehouse. If you buy some thing from me, tell me what you want and pay me for it and I will ship it FOB my warehouse. After that you WILL have to sue me to try to get a refund. Those sellers are absolutely correct about that they have no actual or moral responsibility for your package. Thank you Larry Jackman ljack70117@... On Jun 11, 2006, at 2:50 AM, Alistair McAllister wrote: >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40779	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 6/11/2006
Subject: Re: My ebay story and a warning

When I was SVRR&MCO I shipped a package of RR kits to a dealer Via UPS. We think the UPS driver stole it. The recored shows 9 packages delivered but mine was missing but the receiver signed for nine and only later did he see he only had eight. The dealer had to eat the loss. I did on the replacement package give him a distributors' discount instead of a dealer's discount. That was out of kindness to him not because I had to. But I think we should drop this thread as you people will never believe me and I do know how I shipped things then and how I still do it today. Thank you Larry Jackman ljack70117@... On Jun 11, 2006, at 3:25 PM, anormal1@... wrote: > Here's my 40+ cents. > When insurance is bought the seller(Sender) buys it to protect his > shipment. He is the one that has to file with the carrier. > SO make the insurance MANDATORY or just figure it in ahead of time > in the > cost of shipping along with the 40 cents for conformation of delivery. > What I see is people that are penny wise & pound foolish. > Don't worry about protecting the buyer he will be if you protect > yourself. > You have an idea as to the value of the item. FedEx gives you $100 > of free > ins. You pay for postal ins. > Protect yourself & buy the ins. This is not that hard to figure > out. & the > 40cents for the delivery confirm. is cheap to be able to win a > fight over > wheater or not it was sent, > If the buyer after the ins. & conformation of delivery is in play > still > says he did not get the item YOU are dealing with a crook & you > can tell him to > kiss off unless he paid with a CC. THEN YOU LOSE. > That's why a lot of sellers won't take Paypal or CC just POSTAL > MO's (Not > the ones from 7-11) or a certified bank check.. That's how my > 2cents turned > into 40. Mike > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40780	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 6/11/2006
Subject: Re: Gilbert Switch Tracks and Am Models Engines

Why or what is the problem? Love my Am Models Engines but just about all 8 of them have problems going thru Gilbert AF Switches? Help! Jerry Matsick Jacksonville

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40781	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 6/11/2006
Subject: Re: TMC, DCC, QVCC, ETC

Robert Allen Conner - bottom line question? Why have you purchased so many of these engines in O gauge and S Gauge and G Gauge with TMC, DCC, DCS, QVCC and ETC? Or is it that they are all still in the sealed original boxes and you haven't been able to run or listen to these 21st century sound systems? I will be glad to purchase any of your un opened, sealed in the box S Gauge engines with digital sound! Jerry Matsick Jacksonville ROBERT ALLEN CONNER <rcon7@...> wrote: Bottom line..... NONE SOUNDS AND SMELLS LIKE MY OLD ACG.............. BOB [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Jerry Matsick RESPOND TO Mtoytrain@... Jacksonville, Florida TCA 04-57715 NASG __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40782	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 6/11/2006
Subject: Re: E-Bay - Insurance and delivery confirmation is the only way to

I think this is the best advice. When selling and buying I always get the shipment insured and get the delivery confirmation services . It just seems to avoid future problems. Scott Dee -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of anormal1@... Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2006 2:26 PM To: alizoo@...; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: My ebay story and a warning Here's my 40+ cents. When insurance is bought the seller(Sender) buys it to protect his shipment. He is the one that has to file with the carrier. SO make the insurance MANDATORY or just figure it in ahead of time in the cost of shipping along with the 40 cents for conformation of delivery. What I see is people that are penny wise & pound foolish. Don't worry about protecting the buyer he will be if you protect yourself. You have an idea as to the value of the item. FedEx gives you $100 of free ins. You pay for postal ins. Protect yourself & buy the ins. This is not that hard to figure out. & the 40cents for the delivery confirm. is cheap to be able to win a fight over wheater or not it was sent, If the buyer after the ins. & conformation of delivery is in play still says he did not get the item YOU are dealing with a crook & you can tell him to kiss off unless he paid with a CC. THEN YOU LOSE. That's why a lot of sellers won't take Paypal or CC just POSTAL MO's (Not the ones from 7-11) or a certified bank check.. That's how my 2cents turned into 40. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40783	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 6/11/2006
Subject: Sunday Chat, 6/11/2006, 8:00 pm

Reminder from the Calendar of S-Trains Sunday Chat Sunday June 11, 2006 8:00 pm - 11:00 pm This event repeats every week. Event Location: http://s-scale.org/forum/ Street: http://s-scale.org/forum/ Notes: http://s-scale.org/forum/ ADVERTISEMENT         Yes No   Yes No     Yes No     Copyright ©  2006  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved. Privacy Policy - Terms of Service

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40784	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 6/11/2006
Subject: Re: TMC, DCC, QVCC, ETC

JERRY...... You got me wrong...... I like the sounds of your trains and I love all the new stuff and you should be extremly proud of your fine layout..... its really nice............ with tmc, tcmm, etc....... and thats why I buy them and support them.... But none of the new ones have the sound and smell I remember as a kid....I am hoping Lionels new Northern has an old system with a better moter and reverse.. Some, Like our sweet Barb, has only ACG systems..... My real delimna now is when I rebuild this winter...... Do I do it all with ACG or others.... Even Mike K. was so set on ACG he would only use a real circus punch out set on his layout.....True some of my stuff isn't ACG band I really don't ever see myself running this brass Big Boy... except to test...... its going in a display case to be well protected........... i guess I need 2 layouts..... 1 for ACG stuff....log loaders, coal loaders, cattle loaders, plasticville. etc and 1 more scale in looks and sound....... there are about 800 of us.... wonder how many are pure ACG, pure new, or mixed ON THIER LAYOUT...... and I can't vote on a list as I can never find it!!!!! Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: Jerry Matsick To: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER ; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2006 6:25 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] TMC, DCC, QVCC, ETC Robert Allen Conner - bottom line question? Why have you purchased so many of these engines in O gauge and S Gauge and G Gauge with TMC, DCC, DCS, QVCC and ETC? Or is it that they are all still in the sealed original boxes and you haven't been able to run or listen to these 21st century sound systems? I will be glad to purchase any of your un opened, sealed in the box S Gauge engines with digital sound! Jerry Matsick Jacksonville ROBERT ALLEN CONNER <rcon7@...> wrote: Bottom line..... NONE SOUNDS AND SMELLS LIKE MY OLD ACG.............. BOB [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Jerry Matsick RESPOND TO Mtoytrain@... Jacksonville, Florida TCA 04-57715 NASG __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40785	From: Robert A Persing	Date: 6/11/2006
Subject: Re: E-Bay - Insurance and delivery confirmation is the only way to

If you print your labels on the post office site the confermation is free.You don't have to print the postage just the lable.This is the way I send things never had a problem. Bob Persing (BOBBYLINE PARTS) ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Davidson To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2006 4:54 PM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] E-Bay - Insurance and delivery confirmation is the only way to go... I think this is the best advice. When selling and buying I always get the shipment insured and get the delivery confirmation services . It just seems to avoid future problems. Scott Dee -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of anormal1@... Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2006 2:26 PM To: alizoo@...; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: My ebay story and a warning Here's my 40+ cents. When insurance is bought the seller(Sender) buys it to protect his shipment. He is the one that has to file with the carrier. SO make the insurance MANDATORY or just figure it in ahead of time in the cost of shipping along with the 40 cents for conformation of delivery. What I see is people that are penny wise & pound foolish. Don't worry about protecting the buyer he will be if you protect yourself. You have an idea as to the value of the item. FedEx gives you $100 of free ins. You pay for postal ins. Protect yourself & buy the ins. This is not that hard to figure out. & the 40cents for the delivery confirm. is cheap to be able to win a fight over wheater or not it was sent, If the buyer after the ins. & conformation of delivery is in play still says he did not get the item YOU are dealing with a crook & you can tell him to kiss off unless he paid with a CC. THEN YOU LOSE. That's why a lot of sellers won't take Paypal or CC just POSTAL MO's (Not the ones from 7-11) or a certified bank check.. That's how my 2cents turned into 40. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40786	From: lember2004	Date: 6/11/2006
Subject: The discussion on 1:64 vehicles

I read with great interest all the posts that followed my question about 1:64 vehicle size differences. I appreciate everyone's prospective and info. And, as a result, I've been doing a lot of measuring and multiplying by 64. My own conclusion is that - while our beloved Gilbert AF is mostly 1:64 - because a lot of AF components [like couplers, rails height, door latches, etc] and accessories [metal stations, lampposts, coal loaders, etc] are actually larger than 1:64, true S-scale vehicles can look too small in comparison. I think I may lean toward 1:50 size or so for vehicles, especially cars. Mark

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40787	From: Rick Evans	Date: 6/11/2006
Subject: "I think I may lean toward 1:50 size or so"

Say it ain't so Mark!!! Yeah, I'm kiddin'. It's your choice. Many Racing Champions are marked 1:61, 1:58, etc.... if my memory serves me right. RC put out some great cars. I have all makes, RC, Johnny Lightning, Ertl, Hot Wheels. Some just can't be placed next to each other. Rick. I think I may lean toward 1:50 size or so for vehicles, especially cars. Mark [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40788	From: Alan and Sherry Bennett	Date: 6/11/2006
Subject: Re: The discussion on 1:64 vehicles

Hello friends, Mark has a real point in his comments below about American Flyer trains and 1/64 vehicles. I have often thought that, unless we are building a true scale or a sophisticated Hi-rail layout, the height of our tinplate track, the mixed and often over-scale size of our AF accessories, especially those held over from pre-war days, and the size of toy cars and trucks many of us used with our American Flyer trains as kids made true 1/64 scale vehicles appear too small. I have always felt that the larger vehicles seemed more at home on an AF tinplate layout. I don't think those are 1/64 scale jeeps, Manoil coupes or Renwal trucks carried around on our flatcars. We did build a Holiday display layout for the Oregon State Capitol with the AF track carefully buried and ballasted and all structures carefully scratch-built to true 1/64 scale. On that layout we have kept the vehicles close to 1/64 scale, and they look good. But I still intend to have Mystic Station, the old Tool Shed, the operating Water Tower and the other old favorites on my home layout with vehicles to match. Cheers, Alan Bennett Keizer, OR ----- Original Message ----- From: "lember2004" <lember2004@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2006 5:56 PM Subject: [S-Trains] The discussion on 1:64 vehicles >I read with great interest all the posts that followed my question > about 1:64 vehicle size differences. I appreciate everyone's > prospective and info. And, as a result, I've been doing a lot of > measuring and multiplying by 64. My own conclusion is that - while our > beloved Gilbert AF is mostly 1:64 - because a lot of AF components > [like couplers, rails height, door latches, etc] and accessories [metal > stations, lampposts, coal loaders, etc] are actually larger than 1:64, > true S-scale vehicles can look too small in comparison. I think I may > lean toward 1:50 size or so for vehicles, especially cars. Mark >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40789	From: frank emiro	Date: 6/12/2006
Subject: Re: TMC, DCC, QVCC, ETC

Hey USE GUYS, I love them all as well. Nothing is better then ACG Smoke & Choo Choo. It just brings you back in time in a flash. I would like to see a TMCC unit that is in all brands or at least compatible with all manufacturers of today. I did purchase TMCC from Digital Dynamics in Ct. and just need to find time to install them. ROBERT ALLEN CONNER <rcon7@...> wrote: JERRY...... You got me wrong...... I like the sounds of your trains and I love all the new stuff and you should be extremly proud of your fine layout..... its really nice............ with tmc, tcmm, etc....... and thats why I buy them and support them.... But none of the new ones have the sound and smell I remember as a kid....I am hoping Lionels new Northern has an old system with a better moter and reverse.. Some, Like our sweet Barb, has only ACG systems..... My real delimna now is when I rebuild this winter...... Do I do it all with ACG or others.... Even Mike K. was so set on ACG he would only use a real circus punch out set on his layout.....True some of my stuff isn't ACG band I really don't ever see myself running this brass Big Boy... except to test...... its going in a display case to be well protected........... i guess I need 2 layouts..... 1 for ACG stuff....log loaders, coal loaders, cattle loaders, plasticville. etc and 1 more scale in looks and sound....... there are about 800 of us.... wonder how many are pure ACG, pure new, or mixed ON THIER LAYOUT...... and I can't vote on a list as I can never find it!!!!! Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: Jerry Matsick To: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER ; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2006 6:25 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] TMC, DCC, QVCC, ETC Robert Allen Conner - bottom line question? Why have you purchased so many of these engines in O gauge and S Gauge and G Gauge with TMC, DCC, DCS, QVCC and ETC? Or is it that they are all still in the sealed original boxes and you haven't been able to run or listen to these 21st century sound systems? I will be glad to purchase any of your un opened, sealed in the box S Gauge engines with digital sound! Jerry Matsick Jacksonville ROBERT ALLEN CONNER <rcon7@...> wrote: Bottom line..... NONE SOUNDS AND SMELLS LIKE MY OLD ACG.............. BOB [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Jerry Matsick RESPOND TO Mtoytrain@... Jacksonville, Florida TCA 04-57715 NASG __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40790	From: Bill Clark	Date: 6/12/2006
Subject: Two new SHS Internet Specials

I just posted two new Internet Specials on the Showcaseline website. Special number 1: Buy any F3 or F7 in stock and choose any in stock EVC caboose free. http://www.showcaseline.com/indexInternetSpecial.html Special # 2: Mix-and-Match any 4 USRA Hoppers for $100. http://www.showcaseline.com/indexInternetSpecial2.html Both Specials run through June 30, or until stock runs out. Thanks! Bill [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40791	From: David Cooke	Date: 6/12/2006
Subject: Vehicle Size

Use the old Theatrical trick use larger than scale vehicles at the very front of the layout and the smaller than scale at the back it helps with depth perception also. DC Snr

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40792	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 6/12/2006
Subject: Re: TMC, DCC, QVCC, ETC

Bob, How about one side "tinplate, one side Hi-rail", trains can run thru one or both sides, save real estate for larger layout. That is the plan for the barn here. Jim Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40793	From: Keith Blanchard	Date: 6/12/2006
Subject: Pics Finally Posted, Pine Canyon Advert

Hi Gang, Just a quick note. We finally have all 4 versions of the new Machine Shop and Boiler House kits posted. http://www.pinecanyonscalemodels.com/s-scalekits.htm The tile roof versions will start to ship next week. Still working hard, Keith Blanchard

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40794	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 6/12/2006
Subject: BURLINGTON SD-9 LISTED ON E-BAY YES BY ME

Burlington SD9 Burlington SD9 The tough Burlington SD9 road switcher joins the American Flyer diesel roster. First built by General Motors’ ElectroMotive Division in the early fifties, 471 SD9 diesels would serve on branch lines across the country. AMERICAN FLYER S Gauge Operating couplers Classic A.C. Gilbert reissues All-new innovative designs FEATURES: Die-cast metal 6-wheel trucks Die-cast metal frame Transformer controlled forward, neutral, and reverse operation Powerful maintenance-free motor Interior illumination Traction tires [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40795	From: Robert Graves	Date: 6/12/2006
Subject: Re: "I think I may lean toward 1:50 size or so"

I do the same as Rick. Okay, I admit it: I'm a high-railer, not a scaler. There are a number of things that aren't quite right about my layout, but I enjoy it and get a lot of compliments anyway, and that's what counts. Hang loose and have fun! Rick Evans <bassflyer@...> wrote: Say it ain't so Mark!!! Yeah, I'm kiddin'. It's your choice. Many Racing Champions are marked 1:61, 1:58, etc.... if my memory serves me right. RC put out some great cars. I have all makes, RC, Johnny Lightning, Ertl, Hot Wheels. Some just can't be placed next to each other. Rick. I think I may lean toward 1:50 size or so for vehicles, especially cars. Mark [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40796	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 6/12/2006
Subject: When does title pass?

And now for the definitive answer as to when title passes from the seller to the buyer (best of luck understanding exactly what this means and always read the fine print): As per the Uniform Commercial Code, Part 4: Title, Creditors and Good Faith Purchases: Unless otherwise explicitly agreed title passes to the buyer at the time and place at which the seller completes his performance with reference to the physical delivery of the goods, despite any reservation of a security interest and even though a document of title is to be delivered at a different time or place; and in particular and despite any reservation of a security interest by the bill of lading (a) if the contract requires or authorizes the seller to send the goods to the buyer but does not require him to deliver at destination, title passes to the buyer at the time and place of shipment; but (b) if the contract requires delivery at destination, title passes on tender there. BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40797	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 6/12/2006
Subject: Re: Great Addition to your Train book Collection

If you purchased the Sears Roebuck Christmas Train Catalog book from the 1950's/60's you will want to get the Montgomery Ward Toy Train Catalog book edited by Thomas Holland. "Monkie Wards" was always big on Gilbert American Flyer (Great real life photos) as well as 3/16" Marx Tin Lithograph 027 trains. The pictures and write ups are just super. It is available at www.CollectorBookstore.com. It has brilliant pictures of our favorite American Flyer Trains from the 1950 into the 1960s. I highly recommend! Jerry Matsick Jacksonville

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40798	From: glenn allen	Date: 6/12/2006
Subject: Chatham Show

After a hectic weekend here are a few pictures I took. http://tinyurl.com/p7c99 The NYC passenger set performed very well, being the mainstay of the operating fleet. The GP7 diesels ran o.k. but took out the controller several times due to current draw, one steam loco pulled over 6 amps under load. One GP7 only ran long hood first as the truck was shorting out against the body. I spent a fair bit of time straightening out the freight and passenger stock trucks as they were still out of alignment and the wheels were dropping off. Over all it was well received with many comments (even one who said is was DCC and another who said it was Australian) 2 people have taken details of Port Lines from the display stands as they weren't aware that they could still get hold of S Scale. We have taken the decision to progress with a proper layout with what you see in the photos forming the fiddle yard and purchasing new track and points (turnouts) to construct a station and freight handling area. Thanks to all for your help, especially Neil who came to help and advise. We are looking to re-motor some of the locomotives with replacement units to reduce the power consumption, the onlt controller that handled the weekend ok was an LGB 10amp beastie which didn't even flinch under the load. I do have some more informatino on the original owner that to the Solicitors who came to visit: Wilber Farley Life member of the National Association of S Gaugers number 420 Member of the Capital District Railroad Club and possibly linked with the Mohawk Valley Railroad Co. of 2037 Hamburg Street Scenectady. Can anyone supply info about the above? Thanks

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40799	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 6/12/2006
Subject: Small Exhibition Downunder

Alas with me practically the only Flyer S gauge enthusiast in South Australia I was the only one with Gilbert S at our local annual model railroad exhibition, and that pure kid's stuff. There were only around 50 exhibitors in all gages (mostly HO with some G and a few N).The local Classic Train Collectors Club I belong to had a large plain O gage layout and they asked me to set up my few All Aboard modules on a typical 1950/60's single bed. I wonder if many kids actually did that when they were new? You can certainly nicely fit 8 of the modules on a full sized single bed. All went well and even though I had none of the accessories and could only place three odd Plasticville houses in some of the squares the layout was a roaring success! Most people in this State have never seen Gilbert S and more than afew photos were taken by visitors. However it was certainly one of the hits of the day with young kids from two years up to about ten or so. Some of the younger ones actually spent up to 15 minutes just watching a short train going round with a betlehem flat, Southern boxcar, Franklin coach and alate model searchlight car all towed at various times by an 21161, 21107, 21165,21166,21168 and a Franklin. The 21161 amazed everyone, running continuously for over 5 hours at one stretch and the 21107 also ran flawlessly for several hours. Amazingly the track never seemed to get dirty, though the predominantly PM rolling stock might account for that with its cleaner plastic wheels. The other thing of course is that they were all powered by an electric blanket transformer with a light dimmer in the primary circuit! And, please note all theorists, the Atlantics ran as cool as cucumbers, at the end of several hours you would think they had only done four or five laps! Next year, when I get full sets of accessories I hope to show them a proper All Aboard setup. I should say as a final note I did have half a dozen 1950's Tootsietoy cars on the layout.They are of course mostly 1:64 and if its a toy layout, perfect for the job. Alistair

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40800	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 6/12/2006
Subject: * *Fall S Fest 2006 in Chicago ** * Nov. 3-5, 2006 * , 6/13/2006,

Reminder from the Calendar of S-Trains * *Fall S Fest 2006 in Chicago ** * Nov. 3-5, 2006 * Tuesday June 13, 2006 All Day This event repeats every week, until Tuesday November 7, 2006. Event Location: Tinley Park Convention Center * I-80 at Harlem Ave. * Illinois Street: Holiday Inn Select * Tinley Park City, State, Zip: Adjacent to Convention Center Phone: (708) 444-1100 Notes: * Celebrating 100 Years of American Flyer * One of the nation's largest annual S gauge conventions. Over 22,000 SF of Trading Room, Layouts, Exhibits, Clinics, etc. Sponsored by Chicagoland Association of S Gaugers. More info at: http://www.trainweb.org/casg/sfest.html ALL RAILS MEET IN CHICAGO! ADVERTISEMENT         Yes No   Yes No     Yes No     Copyright ©  2006  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved. Privacy Policy - Terms of Service

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40801	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 6/12/2006
Subject: Re: TMC, DCC, QVCC, ETC

Jim.... That was one thought.....I have 2 areas, my room is 9'-6" x 13'-6"., so I could put a 3' x 13' on one side and a 3' x 8' on the other with a 3' x 3' at one end connecting the 2 and a bridge at the other for entering the room.... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: WJJIM@... To: rcon7@... ; s-trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 12, 2006 7:46 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] TMC, DCC, QVCC, ETC Bob, How about one side "tinplate, one side Hi-rail", trains can run thru one or both sides, save real estate for larger layout. That is the plan for the barn here. Jim Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40802	From: Phil K	Date: 6/12/2006
Subject: Re: Chatham Show

Thanks for the photos. The 20th Century Limited looks great. Thanks to American Hi-Rail for making these, one of my favorite S locomotives. Phil K --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, glenn allen <glenn_rhb@...> wrote: > > After a hectic weekend here are a few pictures I took. > > http://tinyurl.com/p7c99 > > The NYC passenger set performed very well, being the mainstay of the operating fleet. The GP7 diesels ran o.k. but took out the controller several times due to current draw, one steam loco pulled over 6 amps under load. > One GP7 only ran long hood first as the truck was shorting out against the body. I spent a fair bit of time straightening out the freight and passenger stock trucks as they were still out of alignment and the wheels were dropping off. > Over all it was well received with many comments (even one who said is was DCC and another who said it was Australian) 2 people have taken details of Port Lines from the display stands as they weren't aware that they could still get hold of S Scale. > We have taken the decision to progress with a proper layout with what you see in the photos forming the fiddle yard and purchasing new track and points (turnouts) to construct a station and freight handling area. > > Thanks to all for your help, especially Neil who came to help and advise. > We are looking to re-motor some of the locomotives with replacement units to reduce the power consumption, the onlt controller that handled the weekend ok was an LGB 10amp beastie which didn't even flinch under the load. > I do have some more informatino on the original owner that to the Solicitors who came to visit: > > Wilber Farley > Life member of the National Association of S Gaugers number 420 > Member of the Capital District Railroad Club > and possibly linked with the Mohawk Valley Railroad Co. of 2037 Hamburg Street Scenectady. > > Can anyone supply info about the above? > Thanks >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40803	From: winchester54947	Date: 6/13/2006
Subject: FDR Presidential Train

I just finished 'Christmas in Washington' (1941) and there is a very brief description of the presidential train, 'Behind the engine an oversized baggage car ( from Barnum & Baily circus) for 4 presidential and secret service limos, a diesel powered communicatons/radio car, a pullman with 4 upper and 4 lower berths for secret service and train crew, a dining car, a club car with bar and green sofas, another pullman for presidential staff and reporters and lastly the presidents car (spanish nickname?). This train travelled max 40 MPH, other trains running on the Washington/NewYork corridor were sided for several miles, and secret service checked and guarded all crossings, trestles, and waysides.' This was fascinating but brief, and tweaked my interest in pre war railroad history. Can any one offer any additional info, engine and car models, books, references, links, or personal observation? I may want to replicate an S-scale presidential train in the future.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40804	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 6/13/2006
Subject: Re: "I think I may lean toward 1:50 size or so"

I agree with Mark! Many of the cars marked 1/64 just dont look right! I have found some cars made by the same company and supposed to be both 1/64th and they just don't look right next to each othe? Different factory or different company producing autos and slapping same scale on the items doesn't make them that! Jerry Matsick Rick Evans <bassflyer@...> wrote: Say it ain't so Mark!!! Yeah, I'm kiddin'. It's your choice. Many Racing Champions are marked 1:61, 1:58, etc.... if my memory serves me right. RC put out some great cars. I have all makes, RC, Johnny Lightning, Ertl, Hot Wheels. Some just can't be placed next to each other. Rick. I think I may lean toward 1:50 size or so for vehicles, especially cars. Mark [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Jerry Matsick RESPOND TO Mtoytrain@... Jacksonville, Florida TCA 04-57715 NASG __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40805	From: RCESpeak	Date: 6/13/2006
Subject: Re: When does title pass?

Gee, thanks, Bull, This really clears it up.... ;) ... Barb Bull_Gator_1 wrote: > And now for the definitive answer as to when title passes from the > seller to the buyer (best of luck understanding exactly what this > means and always read the fine print): > > As per the Uniform Commercial Code, Part 4: Title, Creditors and Good > Faith Purchases: > > Unless otherwise explicitly agreed title passes to the buyer at the > time and place at which the seller completes his performance with > reference to the physical delivery of the goods, despite any > reservation of a security interest and even though a document of > title is to be delivered at a different time or place; and in > particular and despite any reservation of a security interest by the > bill of lading > > (a) if the contract requires or authorizes the seller to send the > goods to the buyer but does not require him to deliver at > destination, title passes to the buyer at the time and place of > shipment; but > (b) if the contract requires delivery at destination, title > passes on tender there. > > BG1 > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40806	From: RCESpeak	Date: 6/13/2006
Subject: Re: "I think I may lean toward 1:50 size or so"

Hi Y'all, I have to agree with Rick and Bob here. I do the same. I too am a high railer (pure ACG) but I have done two things. When looking for vehicles, I pretty much stick with pure 1/64. But there are a couple vehicles that I couldn't resist. One is a 1:50 pickup that has a truck bed load of milk cans that look just like the ones used with the milk car. That pickup is no where near any 1:64 vehicles. The perception problems arose for me mostly in my town. I run an S gauge trolley (from Terry Putt) right through the center of town. I had it running on Flyer track with a one way street on each side of that track. The 1:64 vehicles looked way to small when next to the track and trolley. So I switched out the Flyer track for S Helper track and the change solves the problem. The track is much lower and fits in better with the whole town. It is all a matter of perspective and perception.... Barb Robert Graves wrote: > I do the same as Rick. Okay, I admit it: I'm a high-railer, not a > scaler. There are a number of things that aren't quite right about my > layout, but I enjoy it and get a lot of compliments anyway, and that's > what counts. Hang loose and have fun! > > > Rick Evans <bassflyer@... <mailto:bassflyer%40charter.net>> wrote: > Say it ain't so Mark!!! > Yeah, I'm kiddin'. It's your choice. > > Many Racing Champions are marked 1:61, 1:58, etc.... > if my memory serves me right. > RC put out some great cars. > I have all makes, RC, Johnny Lightning, Ertl, Hot Wheels. > Some just can't be placed next to each other. > > Rick. > > I think I may > lean toward 1:50 size or so for vehicles, especially cars. Mark > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com <http://mail.yahoo.com> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40807	From: jnr59@aol.com	Date: 6/13/2006
Subject: Wanted: SHS B&O composite hopper for trade or sale

Group, Looking for a B&O composite hopper car for trade (preferably) or sale. My trade: an SHS B&O USRA hopper with original load-NEW. Please contact me directly if interested. Thanks, Jack Riely [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40808	From: Pat Turner	Date: 6/13/2006
Subject: 2 New Structure Kits

We are proud to bring you this shameless commercial announcement for two new S Scale Structure Kits cross posted to most S Scale lists. First is Kit #3029ND, A. L. Zelkin Supply Co. http://www.sn3.org/TMW/FK/3000/3029.htm A two and a half story stone foundation building with aged clapboard siding and a board and batten garage. This kit will include: Laser Cut Aged Clapboard Main Structure Laser Cut Board and Batten Garage Laser Cut Freight/Garage Doors Resin Cast Shingle Roofs Resin Cast Stone Foundation Resin Cast Freight Dock Resin and Metal Cast Details Plastic Windows & Front Door Cast Resin Outhouse Cast Resin Loading Dock Size: 6" Deep x 5.5" Wide First run will be limited to 25 numbered kits or the number of pre-orders (which ever is greater)! A re-run is not for certain at this time. We are taking pre-orders through the end of the Narrow Gauge Convention August, 26th. Pre-order Deposit of $25 will hold you a model and gets you free shipping (U.S. only) when the kit is ready. This kit will be direct sale only and is priced at $89.99. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The second kit is The Section House, Kit # 3019 http://www.sn3.org/TMW/FK/3000/3019.htm This is a small Section House for storing a hand car, velocipede or motor car and tools. Can be gauged for HO/Sn42, Sn3, Sn2 and anywhere in between. This kit includes: Resin Cast Shingle Roof Resin Cast Wood Base Resin Cast Tool Box Resin and Metal Cast Details Cast Resin Outhouse Cast Resin Doors Windows Cast in place Sizes Building: 2" Deep x 4" Wide Base: 4" Deep x 6" Wide First run will be limited to 25 numbered kits and a re-run is not for certain at this time. We are taking pre-orders through August 15th. Pre-order Deposit of $20 will hold you a model and gets you free shipping (U.S. only) when the kit is ready. The kit is priced at $39.99 Pat Turner http://www.TurnerModelWorks.com TurnerModelWorks@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40809	From: Robert Graves	Date: 6/13/2006
Subject: Neil Young's new music video

I watched it while checking email tonight and exchanging emails with Mike Strickland. I recommend it to those who like country music. After all, we do support our train buddies ... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40810	From: Roy Inman	Date: 6/14/2006
Subject: Re: Neil Young's new music video

What's that! A new Neil Young video? Title please :) Roy From: Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 22:58:50 -0700 (PDT) To: s-trains list <s-trains@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Neil Young's new music video I watched it while checking email tonight and exchanging emails with Mike Strickland. I recommend it to those who like country music. After all, we do support our train buddies ... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40811	From: Robert Graves	Date: 6/14/2006
Subject: Re: Neil Young's new music video

"Neil Young: Heart of Gold" released yesterday! Roy Inman <rinphoto@...> wrote: What's that! A new Neil Young video? Title please :) Roy From: Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 22:58:50 -0700 (PDT) To: s-trains list <s-trains@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Neil Young's new music video I watched it while checking email tonight and exchanging emails with Mike Strickland. I recommend it to those who like country music. After all, we do support our train buddies ... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40812	From: Pat Turner	Date: 6/14/2006
Subject: 2007 1:64 Scale Calendar

Hi again, as most of you know the 1:64 Modeling Guide, www.Sn3.org and Turner Model Works have put out a S Scale Calendar for several years now. The info on it has been in the 1:64 Modeling Guide already this year, but the deadline is getting near. Midnight June 30th is the deadline to submit photos for the Calendar Contest. Right now, if you get one to us you could win! If you were thinking about sending in a photo, please do so by the above date. If you are going to work on something, you have two weeks! I can promise you we will get Sn3 photos! We typically do not get many S Scale Standard Gauge photos, Sn31/2 or Sn?. I know there are some great S Standard gauge layouts out there. I have seen many myself! Come on guys/gals send in some photos of those great layouts hiding in the basement, garage, spare room, etc.... Don't let the Sn3 guys take all the glory. You can send photos to: CandSn3 @ MindSpring.com (take out the spaces) or go to the http://www.modelingguide.com web site and scroll to the bottom for the Contact Us info, then click on the Contest Editor link to send me a photo. The bigger the better, 1200 x 1600 min. and 300dpi min. in a horizontal format. The photos need to be Color with full Scenery and have trains in them. Only 1:64 Scale model photos are used in the Calendar. We accept Color Prints, Color Negatives and Digital Photos (preferred). We cannot accept slides, sorry. Remember, if we use your photo you get a FREE Calendar and there are other great prizes also! Turner Model Works http://www.turnermodelworks.com will be providing a large prize. Pat Turner, Contest Editor 1:64 Modeling Guide http://www.TurnerModelWorks.com TurnerModelWorks@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40813	From: faltrain5	Date: 6/14/2006
Subject: Hey guys, I am wondering about a certain operation that i can't fig

I would love to know about when a train leaves the main line to a switch and it comes to a bumper and uncouples the cars. How does the engine get out and how do you get a engine to reverse into the track when they are on constant forward. Also I would love to know about other ways to get my layout to stand out with tricky operations that do with the wiring and uncoupling cars. I am a real train lover but can't figure out how to uncouple cars and have a engine to come and get them. Also I am a post war collecter so don't use any of the new stuff to operate the trains. So this way I have to use the older skills of model railroading. I am basically sending this message because it gets really boring with just trains going around and around with out anyting to carry out. So, it would be great if any of you out there could give me some ideas and answer my question on how to uncouple, get the engine out of there, and get a new one coming in reverse to pick them up. Also if you know a different way that would be great. I just need some really neat ideas for my train set coming this winter. I better start getting ideas now. Send your answers! -Geoffrey

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40814	From: faltrain5	Date: 6/14/2006
Subject: I am wondering what type of smoke for Flyer allows the best smoking

Out there somewhere is some great smoke and I am wondering from your experiences of what smoke is the best for the engines to have max smoking ability??? I use cedar smell super smoke. It has a lot to do with the engine, but some smoke really does allow better smoking ability. -Geoffrey

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40815	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 6/14/2006
Subject: Re: New Lionel Flyer Sets

Lionel is bringing out some impressive new sets such as the Chessie SD9, and the Chicago and Alton Steam Engine (w/TMCC) passenger set. What do they expect or how do you get a BRAND new railroader interested in S GAUGE trains if you do not provide a transformer and track to run the trains on? Another comment to Lionel and other manufacturers, when releasing a new engine, either provide a conventional operation engine or a conventional or digital (DCC, DCS TMCC) unit. Case in point - Lionel's Mikado - great, operates in conventional and or TMCC modes! Lionel's new Northern will just have Railsounds and no TMCC! Cost is a factor but considering the customer is important also. What are your thoughts on this?? Jerry Matsick Jacksonville

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40816	From: faltrain5	Date: 6/14/2006
Subject: Is there any internet auctions out there that you have bought post

I have a general question, is there any auction sites on the computere that sell 46-66 american flyer trains besides actual internet stores that sell that at ridiculous prices. Also I have bought off ebay already so I would love to know about ones maybe you have bought off or heard of besides ebay. So if you could give me the website name or address then that would be great! -Geoffrey

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40817	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 6/14/2006
Subject: Re: New Lionel Flyer Sets

In a message dated 6/14/2006 12:25:51 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, jpmatsick@... writes: What do they expect or how do you get a BRAND new railroader interested in S GAUGE trains if you do not provide a transformer and track to run the trains on? Jerry, et al, Apparently that is part of the reason S-HELPER sets have track and transformer. Also, might note, SHS sets are far less expensive, NO expensive, worn-out name to pay for??? I have both on display, Flyonel PRR set and SHS sets, most frequently asked questions are WHY the vast difference in price and NO track & Trans for that kinda money with the Flyonel??? Jim "giving away my birthday train" Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40818	From: faltrain5	Date: 6/14/2006
Subject: Hey guys, i just posted a album of my 05-06 X-mas train set!!

All I have to say is just go a see it. Also to remind you if you have a train set you would love to show off (it is like these are our sport cars hahah) to go and get pictures and post them in the photos. I would love to see more there. -Geoffrey

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40819	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 6/14/2006
Subject: Re: I am wondering what type of smoke for Flyer allows the best smo

Geoffrey I like Anormal Smoke and MTH smoke - both give off good smoke! just my opinion Jerry M faltrain5 <faltrain5@...> wrote: Out there somewhere is some great smoke and I am wondering from your experiences of what smoke is the best for the engines to have max smoking ability??? I use cedar smell super smoke. It has a lot to do with the engine, but some smoke really does allow better smoking ability. -Geoffrey Jerry Matsick RESPOND TO Mtoytrain@... Jacksonville, Florida TCA 04-57715 NASG __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40820	From: Phil K	Date: 6/14/2006
Subject: Re: Hey guys, i just posted a album of my 05-06 X-mas train set!!

Geoffrey -- All of the photos by members of this group are not in the photo folder on this site. Try this link: http://s-scale.org/albums/v/friends/ That should give you plenty to look at for a day or two. LOL Phil K ************************************************************ --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "faltrain5" <faltrain5@...> wrote: > > All I have to say is just go a see it. Also to remind you if you > have a train set you would love to show off (it is like these are our > sport cars hahah) to go and get pictures and post them in the photos. > I would love to see more there. > > > -Geoffrey >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40821	From: Phil K	Date: 6/14/2006
Subject: Re: New Lionel Flyer Sets

OK, you asked: I totally agree with your premise about Flyonel sets being used as starter sets. But ..... Well, first -- Lionel does not manufacture its own S track, so they'd have to purchase something that's already on the market. And probably mark it up, to boot. Second, I think it's neat we in S have a choice of what kind of track we want to use, and each has its champions -- Don's SHS, American Models, Gilbert Flyer, K-Line, Shinohara, Gargraves, et al... without having someone else's choice shoved down our throat -- which we'd also pay extra for. The downside is that they're not readily compatible with each other (with reservations). Third -- I have 50+ NIB Flyonel sets I bought as collectibles, which I believe is Lionel's main focus in S -- marketing Flyer primarily to collectors and A.C. Gilbert Geeks like most of us. Their thinking must be: Why make it easy for a newbie to get started in S when we'd make more money over the long haul if we started them in 3-rail? How much extra would those 50 sets have cost me if each included track I wouldn't use and a tiny transformer I wouldn't use, either. I don't think I'm the only one on this board with a boxful of 50- watt transformers that came with used sets I bought. Or huge boxes of unused Gilbert track, too, from those same set purchases. Finally, Flyonel in my opinion blew it when they didn't offer the Northern with TMCC as an option. I realize that there are geniuses like Carl Tuveson out there that have the brain cells and time to make these conversions, but speaking for myself, my time is money and I'd rather buy Plug-N-Play! My $0.02, Phil K *************************************************************** --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Jerry Matsick" <jpmatsick@...> wrote: > > Lionel is bringing out some impressive new sets such as the Chessie > SD9, and the Chicago and Alton Steam Engine (w/TMCC) passenger set. > What do they expect or how do you get a BRAND new railroader > interested in S GAUGE trains if you do not provide a transformer and > track to run the trains on? > > Another comment to Lionel and other manufacturers, when releasing a > new engine, either provide a conventional operation engine or a > conventional or digital (DCC, DCS TMCC) unit. > > Case in point - Lionel's Mikado - great, operates in conventional and > or TMCC modes! Lionel's new Northern will just have Railsounds and > no TMCC! Cost is a factor but considering the customer is > important also. > > What are your thoughts on this?? > > Jerry Matsick > Jacksonville >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40822	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 6/14/2006
Subject: Re: Operators and Collectors

We really are two camps in S-Trains, maybe three, I guess I am an Operator Major with Collector as a Minor. A good number on line are big time collectors and I know some personally. I was a big time Post War O gauge Collector - and eventually as is generally well known most of the Lionel O stuff has lost its value, my question is with all the fantastic new digital and better scaled "S" equipment coming out as it did with O gauge will this not happen to Collectors of our beloved GilbertAmerican Flyer? Just a thought? Jerry Matsick Jacksonville PS Any collector have a Southern Pacific PA-1 A B A 6 car passenger set out there?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40823	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 6/14/2006
Subject: Re: New Lionel Flyer Sets

See Below Thank you Larry Jackman ljack70117@... On Jun 14, 2006, at 3:39 PM, Phil K wrote: > OK, you asked: > > I totally agree with your premise about Flyonel sets being used as > starter sets. But ..... > > Well, first -- Lionel does not manufacture its own S track, so > they'd have to purchase something that's already on the market. And > probably mark it up, to boot. As a manufacture I can see you do not under stand the business. If Flyonel bought some one else's track for use in their sets They MUST mark it up or loose money. on every set they sell with that track in it. If they did not loose money they would cut their profit margin to a level they would not cover their over head.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40824	From: Robert Graves	Date: 6/14/2006
Subject: Re: New Lionel Flyer Sets

As usual, Phil is right on. My $.027 is that this is an opportunity for enterprising hobby shops and dealers to package the Lionel Flyer Sets with track, transformer, and maybe a few cars and a cop, and sell them as starter sets. Phil K <waldootten@...> wrote: OK, you asked: I totally agree with your premise about Flyonel sets being used as starter sets. But ..... Well, first -- Lionel does not manufacture its own S track, so they'd have to purchase something that's already on the market. And probably mark it up, to boot. Second, I think it's neat we in S have a choice of what kind of track we want to use, and each has its champions -- Don's SHS, American Models, Gilbert Flyer, K-Line, Shinohara, Gargraves, et al... without having someone else's choice shoved down our throat -- which we'd also pay extra for. The downside is that they're not readily compatible with each other (with reservations). Third -- I have 50+ NIB Flyonel sets I bought as collectibles, which I believe is Lionel's main focus in S -- marketing Flyer primarily to collectors and A.C. Gilbert Geeks like most of us. Their thinking must be: Why make it easy for a newbie to get started in S when we'd make more money over the long haul if we started them in 3-rail? How much extra would those 50 sets have cost me if each included track I wouldn't use and a tiny transformer I wouldn't use, either. I don't think I'm the only one on this board with a boxful of 50- watt transformers that came with used sets I bought. Or huge boxes of unused Gilbert track, too, from those same set purchases. Finally, Flyonel in my opinion blew it when they didn't offer the Northern with TMCC as an option. I realize that there are geniuses like Carl Tuveson out there that have the brain cells and time to make these conversions, but speaking for myself, my time is money and I'd rather buy Plug-N-Play! My $0.02, Phil K *************************************************************** --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Jerry Matsick" <jpmatsick@...> wrote: > > Lionel is bringing out some impressive new sets such as the Chessie > SD9, and the Chicago and Alton Steam Engine (w/TMCC) passenger set. > What do they expect or how do you get a BRAND new railroader > interested in S GAUGE trains if you do not provide a transformer and > track to run the trains on? > > Another comment to Lionel and other manufacturers, when releasing a > new engine, either provide a conventional operation engine or a > conventional or digital (DCC, DCS TMCC) unit. > > Case in point - Lionel's Mikado - great, operates in conventional and > or TMCC modes! Lionel's new Northern will just have Railsounds and > no TMCC! Cost is a factor but considering the customer is > important also. > > What are your thoughts on this?? > > Jerry Matsick > Jacksonville > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40825	From: Phil K	Date: 6/14/2006
Subject: Re: New Lionel Flyer Sets

Thanks for the offer, Larry, but I don't need a business lesson. I've owned my own businesses since 1979, and always have had food in the refrigerator. But how -- if the set is properly priced to make a profit anyway -- would adding track at cost as an "added value" to make the set more attractive (and get some newbies started) -- cause them to lose money on that set? Ever think the manufacturers should do something once in awhile to create a new market and not worry about making money every time? Those of us in the hobby need a little help in bringing in new buyers, which benefit the manufacturers more than anyone else. Here's what you're saying: If the profit on a $400 set without track is $125, and you add $20 worth of track at cost for a new set cost of $420, what happened to the $125 profit? Where did it go? Phil K --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, ljack70117@... wrote: > > See Below > Thank you > Larry Jackman > ljack70117@... > > > > On Jun 14, 2006, at 3:39 PM, Phil K wrote: > > > OK, you asked: > > > > I totally agree with your premise about Flyonel sets being used as > > starter sets. But ..... > > > > Well, first -- Lionel does not manufacture its own S track, so > > they'd have to purchase something that's already on the market. And > > probably mark it up, to boot. > As a manufacture I can see you do not under stand the business. If > Flyonel bought some one else's track for use in their sets They MUST > mark it up or loose money. on every set they sell with that track in > it. If they did not loose money they would cut their profit margin to > a level they would not cover their over head. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40826	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 6/14/2006
Subject: Re: New Lionel Flyer Sets

They will sell most of the sets at a discount to dealers. So using your own figures a 400 dollar set has a profit of 125 dollars. (which I doubt) add track and you have a 420 set but discount to the dealer which in HO was 40% and that is also what I gave when I was S Scale America. Dealer cost of a 400 dollar set would be 240 dollars. The dealers cost of a 420 dollar set would 252 dollars that is a different of 12 dollars. You just lost 8 dollars of the money you paid for the track. WOW WOW Even if you only figured 30% discount to the dealers you still loose some of your cost of the track. When I was figuring my sale price I always multiplied my cost times 4 if I was selling to dealers and times 5 if I sold to distributers. And you must do that if you want to make money. One thing you do not just trade dollar for dollar. A 20 dollar item must be sold for 80 dollars or you are just giving it away. Every thing in it must be price to make money. If you follow you way I am very surprised you are still in business. BTW do you know how to make a small fortune in the MRR business? Start with a large one!!!!!!!! 8>) Thank you Larry Jackman ljack70117@... On Jun 14, 2006, at 5:15 PM, Phil K wrote: > Thanks for the offer, Larry, but I don't need a business lesson. > I've owned my own businesses since 1979, and always have had food > in the refrigerator. > > But how -- if the set is properly priced to make a profit anyway -- > would adding track at cost as an "added value" to make the set > more attractive (and get some newbies started) -- cause them to lose > money on that set? Ever think the manufacturers should do something > once in awhile to create a new market and not worry about making > money every time? Those of us in the hobby need a little help in > bringing in new buyers, which benefit the manufacturers more than > anyone else. > > Here's what you're saying: If the profit on a $400 set without track > is $125, and you add $20 worth of track at cost for a new set cost > of $420, what happened to the $125 profit? Where did it go? > > Phil K > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, ljack70117@... wrote: >> >> See Below >> Thank you >> Larry Jackman >> ljack70117@... >> >> >> >> On Jun 14, 2006, at 3:39 PM, Phil K wrote: >> >>> OK, you asked: >>> >>> I totally agree with your premise about Flyonel sets being used > as >>> starter sets. But ..... >>> >>> Well, first -- Lionel does not manufacture its own S track, so >>> they'd have to purchase something that's already on the market. > And >>> probably mark it up, to boot. >> As a manufacture I can see you do not under stand the business. > If >> Flyonel bought some one else's track for use in their sets They > MUST >> mark it up or loose money. on every set they sell with that track > in >> it. If they did not loose money they would cut their profit margin > to >> a level they would not cover their over head. >> > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40827	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 6/14/2006
Subject: Re: Missing the point on New Flyonel Sets

My point was to get more people into S Gauge you have to have a product of which they can get into S gauge with. Trackless sets are not going to bring anyone into S gauge. Lionel made in O gauge for years what they called "Station Sets" which were for the operator all ready or for the collector. Lionel American Flyer is a name almost everyone knows and Lionel trains are almost everywhere. Not true about the smaller S gauge manufacturers. Hey, I love Showcaseline SHelper that is the major part of my operating railroad,along with American Models a great train line but I want to see more people come into my scale. Jerry Matsick Jacksonville

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40828	From: Phil K	Date: 6/14/2006
Subject: Re: New Lionel Flyer Sets

Flyonel sets retail for more than the $400 number I used. I intended that as a rough guesstimate of the WHOLESALE (already discounted) price to retailers for discussion purposes. I.E., the new Chessie set is $529.99 retail and the new Alton set is $839.99. First, forget all of the complicated discounts you applied to confuse my example. Go back to square one -- let's say Lionel sells the Chessie set to dealers for $400, or $420 with $20 worth of track included at cost. With an estimated $125 profit built in, or actually, to use your 300 percent profit multiplier, you're saying it cost Lionel $100 to manufacture and market so there's a $300 profit on the $400 price to dealers? That's ridiculous. And according to your theory, you're telling me Doug Peck should be marking up the stuff I buy from him another 300 percent, and if not, he's a poor businessman? No one works on that kind of margin in today's marketplace and stays in business if they're just simply reselling items others are also selling. If so, they should be wearing a mask. And I don't know how anyone could stay in business selling a common $20 item for $80, as you say you need to do to make money. If I don't sell an $20 item for $80 I'm "giving it away?" Hogwash. I know you're surprised that I've stayed in business even though I don't follow your practices. But I've been successful enough to suit myself, thank you. ****************************************************************** --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, ljack70117@... wrote: > > They will sell most of the sets at a discount to dealers. So using > your own figures a 400 dollar set has a profit of 125 dollars. (which > I doubt) add track and you have a 420 set but discount to the dealer > which in HO was 40% and that is also what I gave when I was S Scale > America. Dealer cost of a 400 dollar set would be 240 dollars. The > dealers cost of a 420 dollar set would 252 dollars that is a > different of 12 dollars. You just lost 8 dollars of the money you > paid for the track. WOW WOW Even if you only figured 30% discount > to the dealers you still loose some of your cost of the track. When > I was figuring my sale price I always multiplied my cost times 4 if I > was selling to dealers and times 5 if I sold to distributers. And you > must do that if you want to make money. One thing you do not just > trade dollar for dollar. A 20 dollar item must be sold for 80 dollars > or you are just giving it away. Every thing in it must be price to > make money. If you follow you way I am very surprised you are still > in business. > BTW do you know how to make a small fortune in the MRR business? > Start with a large one!!!!!!!! 8>) > Thank you > Larry Jackman > ljack70117@... > > > > On Jun 14, 2006, at 5:15 PM, Phil K wrote: > > > Thanks for the offer, Larry, but I don't need a business lesson. > > I've owned my own businesses since 1979, and always have had food > > in the refrigerator. > > > > But how -- if the set is properly priced to make a profit anyway -- > > would adding track at cost as an "added value" to make the set > > more attractive (and get some newbies started) -- cause them to lose > > money on that set? Ever think the manufacturers should do something > > once in awhile to create a new market and not worry about making > > money every time? Those of us in the hobby need a little help in > > bringing in new buyers, which benefit the manufacturers more than > > anyone else. > > > > Here's what you're saying: If the profit on a $400 set without track > > is $125, and you add $20 worth of track at cost for a new set cost > > of $420, what happened to the $125 profit? Where did it go? > > > > Phil K > > > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, ljack70117@ wrote: > >> > >> See Below > >> Thank you > >> Larry Jackman > >> ljack70117@ > >> > >> > >> > >> On Jun 14, 2006, at 3:39 PM, Phil K wrote: > >> > >>> OK, you asked: > >>> > >>> I totally agree with your premise about Flyonel sets being used > > as > >>> starter sets. But ..... > >>> > >>> Well, first -- Lionel does not manufacture its own S track, so > >>> they'd have to purchase something that's already on the market. > > And > >>> probably mark it up, to boot. > >> As a manufacture I can see you do not under stand the business. > > If > >> Flyonel bought some one else's track for use in their sets They > > MUST > >> mark it up or loose money. on every set they sell with that track > > in > >> it. If they did not loose money they would cut their profit margin > > to > >> a level they would not cover their over head. > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > > at http://S-Scale.org/albums > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40829	From: Roy Inman	Date: 6/14/2006
Subject: Re: New Lionel Flyer Sets

In point of fact, this is exactly what MTH has done and now Lionel is now doing with some of the sets they sell: Offering them at close to cost just to get more people in the hobby. Mike Wolf admitted as much in an interview in CTT some time back. Said that they make maybe 10% on the set overall, but break even on the track and lose money on the transformer. Roy From: Phil K <waldootten@...> Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 21:15:22 +0000 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: New Lionel Flyer Sets But how -- if the set is properly priced to make a profit anyway -- would adding track at cost as an "added value" to make the set more attractive (and get some newbies started) -- cause them to lose money on that set? Ever think the manufacturers should do something once in awhile to create a new market and not worry about making money every time? Those of us in the hobby need a little help in bringing in new buyers, which benefit the manufacturers more than anyone else. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40830	From: Alex Sibbald	Date: 6/14/2006
Subject: new Lionel sets

Hi, I hate to break up a heated argument but with Lionel swallowing up all K-Line assets, didn't they also acquire K-Line track technology and tooling? Since it is quite close to original AF track in appearance wouldn't it make sense to use it with new sets? Seems to me that K-Line also had advertised new sets with a 120w AC transformer with whistle & direction control and accessory taps. Situation solved, no new engineering necessary for Lionel to supply complete sets in "S". Alex

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40831	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 6/14/2006
Subject: Re: Is there any internet auctions out there that you have bought p

Geoffrey, In case nobody's responded, yet, Stout Auctions.com usually has some good auctions with the items you asked about. They are a good, reputable company. Carlton [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40832	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 6/14/2006
Subject: Re: Neil Young's new music video

AAGGHHH! Neil Young is not country!!!!!! LOL Rust Never Sleeps! Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40833	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 6/14/2006
Subject: Re;Operators and collectors

Jerry, you are probably onto something. I think the same thing as happened in O gauge postwar is already happening to postwar S gauge. There is no doubt that both operators and collectors appreciate the new stuff. The devaluation of postwar S may move slower as the number of S gaugers and S gauge product is smaller that O gauge. One difference is that I believe more S gauge collectors collect because they love the trains, while a large number of O gauge collectors were into it as investors. Conclusion: If you collect S gauge to make money, rethink your strategy. If you collect S to enjoy your trains, have a good time. Stumpy Stone...I just play with 'em...Martins Ferry, OH.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40834	From: David Dewey	Date: 6/14/2006
Subject: Manufacturing costs & Yahoo Changes??

Hmm, I can't just hit "Reply" anymore to the digest, that's kind of a pain! Now about manufacturing costs, someone doubted the mark up from manufacturing costs to retail price. Well, I don't have any special "Insider info" but I have had a lot of practical experience in Industrial Arts, and have talked to a lot of manufacturers over the years, so here are my best approximations for a typical "Flyonel" boxcar: Floor $ .05 Trucks w/Couplers $1.00 Body $ .10 Painting $ 1.00 Packaging $ 2.00 Assembly $ 1.00 Total Mfg. Cost $ 5.15 Retail price $ 45.00 Of course, there still is shipping and catalog expenses to be shared with many other items. I suspect my estimates may even be high! Having fun with your trains $Priceless! S' David D. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40835	From: Robert Graves	Date: 6/14/2006
Subject: More floorrunner pix and the Royal Gorge (at last)

I've added the subject pix to my gallery: http://s-scale.org/albums/v/friends/theupstairstrain/?g2_navId=x36bfb054 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40836	From: Phil K	Date: 6/14/2006
Subject: Re: Manufacturing costs & Yahoo Changes??

OK, Duck. $5.15 for a boxcar. I'm sure that's pretty close. But I respectfully submit that your price neglects to include a few things like, but not limited to: Building rent or mortgage and real estate taxes Molds and/or tooling Product design, research & development Office staff salaries & benefits Business insurance Health insurance Interest on credit line Banking charges Utilities -- water, gas, electric Telephones and long distance Computers and/or typewriters Furnishings -- desks, copiers, file cabinets, fax machines, etc. Office supplies Web site design and maintenance Catalog design, artwork and printing Mailing -- postage, envelopes & supplies Discounts to distributors Repairs and returns Cost of doing trade shows Corporate travel & entertainment Salemen's commissions Accounting, payroll and income tax services Advertising design Advertising space buys Security Public relations department expenses Public relations department salaries Customer service salaries Employee Christmas bonuses Employee theft Shipping (FedEx, UPS) Legal counsel* *based on what's happening these days, a significant expense!!! *************************************************************** --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "David Dewey" <djdewey@...> wrote: > > Hmm, I can't just hit "Reply" anymore to the digest, that's kind of a pain! > Now about manufacturing costs, someone doubted the mark up from manufacturing costs to retail price. Well, I don't have any special "Insider info" but I have had a lot of practical experience in Industrial Arts, and have talked to a lot of manufacturers over the years, so here are my best approximations for a typical "Flyonel" boxcar: > Floor $ .05 > Trucks w/Couplers $1.00 > Body $ .10 > Painting $ 1.00 > Packaging $ 2.00 > Assembly $ 1.00 > > Total Mfg. Cost $ 5.15 > Retail price $ 45.00 > Of course, there still is shipping and catalog expenses to be shared with many other items. > I suspect my estimates may even be high! > > Having fun with your trains $Priceless! > > S' > David D. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40837	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 6/15/2006
Subject: DC convert

Hello All, Has anyone converted a Flyonel TMCC to DC or DCC? If there are any helpful hints out there, I'd appreciate hearing some of them before I tear into my new Flyonel Mikado. I am not interested in an AC system and I'm hoping I don't have to destroy too much in the conversion. Thanks in advance, Tom Stoltz Tom's Turnouts & Trackwork Maine S Gaugers NASG http://s-scale.org/albums/v/s-vendors/Stoltz/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40838	From: Roy Inman	Date: 6/15/2006
Subject: Re: new Lionel sets

It sure makes sense to me Alex, but Lionel hasn't made a whole lot of sensible decisions about AF, at least according to some on this list. Does seem rather odd though that Lionel is the only manufacturer of RTR sets in any scale that does not offer track in at least some of those sets. Roy From: Alex Sibbald <innotron@...> Organization: innotronics Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 17:42:06 -0700 To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Subject: [S-Trains] new Lionel sets Since it is quite close to original AF track in appearance wouldn't it make sense to use it with new sets? Seems to me that K-Line also had advertised new sets with a 120w AC transformer with whistle & direction control and accessory taps. Situation solved, no new engineering necessary for Lionel to supply complete sets in "S". Alex [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40839	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 6/15/2006
Subject: Lionel AF Track

Larry Jackman wrote: >>> Well, first -- Lionel does not manufacture its own S track, so >>> they'd have to purchase something that's already on the market. > And >>> probably mark it up, to boot. Not entirely true. They now own all of the tooling to produce S gauge track (through their purchase of K-Line). All they have to do is make it. Joe Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613*9 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock; More than 1,300 part lines American Models ##### S-Helper Service ###### K-Line S Gauge joestrainrepair@... Master Card/Visa

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40840	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 6/15/2006
Subject: Re: new Lionel sets

Alex and my good S-train buddys! Alex - you are correct - Lionel needs to supply "beginner" or introductory S gauge sets with track and transformer, and then we would have a "train seed" to plant and get more people involved with our S trains. Jerry PS A beginner fisherman doesn't buy the best rod in the store, but one to see if he like fishing! same with trains! Alex Sibbald <innotron@...> wrote: Hi, I hate to break up a heated argument but with Lionel swallowing up all K-Line assets, didn't they also acquire K-Line track technology and tooling? Since it is quite close to original AF track in appearance wouldn't it make sense to use it with new sets? Seems to me that K-Line also had advertised new sets with a 120w AC transformer with whistle & direction control and accessory taps. Situation solved, no new engineering necessary for Lionel to supply complete sets in "S". Alex Jerry Matsick RESPOND TO Mtoytrain@... Jacksonville, Florida TCA 04-57715 NASG __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40841	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 6/15/2006
Subject: Re: Manufacturing costs & Yahoo Changes??

Wow you mean the "expert" missed all of that? WOW Thank you Larry Jackman ljack70117@... On Jun 15, 2006, at 2:37 AM, Phil K wrote: > OK, Duck. $5.15 for a boxcar. I'm sure that's pretty close. But I > respectfully submit that your price neglects to include a few things > like, but not limited to: > > Building rent or mortgage and real estate taxes > Molds and/or tooling > Product design, research & development > Office staff salaries & benefits > Business insurance > Health insurance > Interest on credit line > Banking charges > Utilities -- water, gas, electric > Telephones and long distance > Computers and/or typewriters > Furnishings -- desks, copiers, file cabinets, fax machines, etc. > Office supplies > Web site design and maintenance > Catalog design, artwork and printing > Mailing -- postage, envelopes & supplies > Discounts to distributors > Repairs and returns > Cost of doing trade shows > Corporate travel & entertainment > Salemen's commissions > Accounting, payroll and income tax services > Advertising design > Advertising space buys > Security > Public relations department expenses > Public relations department salaries > Customer service salaries > Employee Christmas bonuses > Employee theft > Shipping (FedEx, UPS) > Legal counsel* > > *based on what's happening these days, a significant expense!!! > > *************************************************************** > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "David Dewey" <djdewey@...> wrote: >> >> Hmm, I can't just hit "Reply" anymore to the digest, that's kind > of a pain! >> Now about manufacturing costs, someone doubted the mark up from > manufacturing costs to retail price. Well, I don't have any > special "Insider info" but I have had a lot of practical experience > in Industrial Arts, and have talked to a lot of manufacturers over > the years, so here are my best approximations for a > typical "Flyonel" boxcar: >> Floor $ .05 >> Trucks w/Couplers $1.00 >> Body $ .10 >> Painting $ 1.00 >> Packaging $ 2.00 >> Assembly $ 1.00 >> >> Total Mfg. Cost $ 5.15 >> Retail price $ 45.00 >> Of course, there still is shipping and catalog expenses to be > shared with many other items. >> I suspect my estimates may even be high! >> >> Having fun with your trains $Priceless! >> >> S' >> David D. >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40842	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 6/15/2006
Subject: Re: new Lionel sets

Apparently LIONEL can sell their projected demands in American Flyer WITHOUT offering detail or performance.. There seem to be enough dyed in the wool collectors of the NAME American Flyer, that the product itself does not matter. There seems to be NO connection between the wishes of "us" the buyers and LIONEL the marketing manufacturer, guess you live with it or don't. So be it. Jim "cleaning out the train room (one anyway)" Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40843	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 6/15/2006
Subject: Re;DC convert

Tom...I can't advise you on converting a TMCC equipped locomotine. All modern manufacturers use DC can motors as a matter of course. My understanding is that the electronics in the loco convert AC track power to DC which then is used to operate the various systems within the loco. My experiance is that if the loco has a DC can motor, it will probably run on DC. My Flyonel Docksider runs on DC with no modifications(however it is not TMCC equipped.) AC power and the reverse unit(e-unit)is only used because it is compatable with the original American Flyer trains. I have converted all but one of my old American Flyer locos to DC can motors and removed the old reverse units. So far I have added five Putt locos(3 steam, 2 diesel)to my fleet with DC power as well. I run all these locos on either a Bachmann HO set power pack, or the bigger MRC 6200 power pack. Operation is smoother and simpler than the old AC way. I'm sure someone on this list can help you go DC power, although I'm not sure what this will mean to the various things you can do with your loco under TMCC control. Stumpy Stone...using straight DC power for two years...Martins Ferry, OH.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40844	From: jjmemmer@aol.com	Date: 6/15/2006
Subject: Lionel CEO article

O Gauge Railroading ran an article by L's CEO.He gave the example of a funnel where the top represents 100% of people who are exposed to something,in this case L trains.As the funnel tapered down through second exposure,over a period of time,and finally devoted and commited participents 2-5%.Also talked a lot about licensing and media exposure.Does anyone see a place for Flyonel in this picture?We're a niche market to them,in other words no competition to O gauge.AM and SHS on the other hand,care about building the S market,it's their livelihood.If Lionel dropped S gauge tomorrow it would be a small(possum sized)bump in our road.Just my 4 cents worth(inflation).If anyone wants to chew on me for this,feel free I've worked in manufacturing 40 yrs.I've heard it all. Jerry [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40845	From: faltrain5	Date: 6/15/2006
Subject: A question a I already asked but didn't get many responses??

How would I get cars uncoupled and then have a engine come and get them later??? It may be a simple question, but it is tricky with just post-war american flyer trains. I know about the electric uncoupler and how to get them uncoupled, but how do I get another engine to come and pick these cars up??? I would love to know. So for all you guys out there who really know your stuff, I await your response. P.S.- If you have any other layout ideas and tricky ways of getting a engine to perform duties with switches and uncoupling that would be great if you wrote that up also. -Geoff

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40846	From: Richard Hosmer	Date: 6/16/2006
Subject: Re: A question a I already asked but didn't get many responses??

Geoff, AFAIK, if the couplers are properly aligned for height, and free to rise on their pivot pins, all you have to do is back the engine up to a string of cars, and they will latch together automatically. My experience IS with the heavier zinc couplers of prewar 3/16" scale ACG, which do work better than the post-war, but it is not rocket science. The electric uncoupler works very well, too. I'm currently trying to figure out how to adapt the same principle to Atlas track, but having a more compact and less toy-like appearance. Dick Hosmer

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40847	From: Charles E. Smith	Date: 6/16/2006
Subject: Re: A question a I already asked but didn't get many responses??

Whether you use links or knuckles it should be easy to recouple. Two caveats - (1) don't try to couple on a curve and (2) you may need a bumper to hold the cars if coupler action is a little stiff. Link couplers must fall freely and the weight on knuckles must fall freely to couple securely. Chuck Smith, http://www.trainweb.org/chucksmith On matters of style swim with the current. On matters of substance stand like a rock. Thos. Jefferson (may be paraphrased) ----- Original Message ----- From: faltrain5 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 11:38 PM Subject: [S-Trains] A question a I already asked but didn't get many responses?? How would I get cars uncoupled and then have a engine come and get them later??? It may be a simple question, but it is tricky with just post-war american flyer trains. I know about the electric uncoupler and how to get them uncoupled, but how do I get another engine to come and pick these cars up??? I would love to know. So for all you guys out there who really know your stuff, I await your response. P.S.- If you have any other layout ideas and tricky ways of getting a engine to perform duties with switches and uncoupling that would be great if you wrote that up also. -Geoff [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40848	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 6/16/2006
Subject: Re: new Lionel sets

In a message dated 6/15/2006 10:08:36 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, WJJIM@... writes: Apparently LIONEL can sell their projected demands in American Flyer WITHOUT offering detail or performance.o And starter sets with track and transformer.... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40849	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 6/16/2006
Subject: Re: A question a I already asked but didn't get many responses??

The answer is in your question. The electric uncoupler. The engine that you send for the cars with an open coupler would also have to have an open coupler for best results. So you have to run your engine over & stop it on an uncoupler to open its coupler. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40850	From: David Dewey	Date: 6/16/2006
Subject: Re: Manufacturing Costs--Again.

Hi All, Phil mentioned all the other "costs" I didn't mention, although "mold expenses" I think is covered in my estimate--I suspect them 50 year old molds have long since been amortized out! but, actually my parts costs assume tooling amortization over five years' production. It was also pointed out to me via private mail that I didn't include the wholesaler and retailer's expenses, which add to the final price. So I guess I should have called it "Direct Manufacturing costs" to be more specific. What I do find amazing is that SHS can produce their detailed cars with many applied parts at a price that can directly compete with the old Flyonel cars. But, no matter what you think of my posts, I still hold: "Enjoying playing with your trains -- $Priceless!." S' David D. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40851	From: Robert Graves	Date: 6/16/2006
Subject: Re: A question a I already asked but didn't get many responses??

My apologies for not responding. I assumed that a lot of other people would, which must be what other people thought. Reminds me of the old somebody, anybody, everybody, nobody story! First, I have to say I'm not sure I understand the question. The whole thing seems simple to me, but that may be because my dad was a railroad man and taught me how to set up a rail yard and do yard operations. Are you talking about a parallel "passing track" off the mainline where a train pulls in forward, uncouples its cars, and the engine moves out forward, back onto the mainline, leaving the cars on the passing track? Or you talking about a siding with only one entrance where the train backs in, uncouples the cars, and the engine moves out forward, back onto the mainline, leaving the cars on the siding? In either case, the engine(s) that later pick up the cars need to have their reversing units set such that the engine will reverse directions. The engine moves to the outbound end of the passing track or siding; the engine backs in to connect to the cars, and finally the engine pulls out forward, pulling the cars behind it. You might find some helpful ideas on my website: http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/grand_tour.html In the track diagram, the black lines are the sidings and rail yard, and the four alternate routes around the lower loop are each the functional equivalent of a passing track, though they aren't technically a true passing track. After taking the grand tour, look at Modes of Operation and Lessons Learned. I hope that helps. Bob faltrain5 <faltrain5@...> wrote: How would I get cars uncoupled and then have a engine come and get them later??? It may be a simple question, but it is tricky with just post-war american flyer trains. I know about the electric uncoupler and how to get them uncoupled, but how do I get another engine to come and pick these cars up??? I would love to know. So for all you guys out there who really know your stuff, I await your response. P.S.- If you have any other layout ideas and tricky ways of getting a engine to perform duties with switches and uncoupling that would be great if you wrote that up also. -Geoff --------------------------------- How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger’s low PC-to-Phone call rates. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40852	From: WEG138@aol.com	Date: 6/16/2006
Subject: Re: Hey guys, I am wondering about a certain operation that i can'.

Hi Geoffrey: Just got to your posting. 1. have the engine back the rolling stock onto the siding and drop it off. 2. If your engine will not go backward, as well as forward you may need repairs. What kind of engine are you using? 3. I suggest that you read books that describe how to......... 4. What type of train are you running? Bill G [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40853	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 6/16/2006
Subject: Re: Quality of S gauge vs HO gauge

Just back from local hobby shop and this DCC operation stuff really has me going! Looked at HO DCC equipment and the cost???? This is sharp detailed equipment with DCC installed ready to go, why is the cost of these engines (HO) running 1/2 or less of what an S gauge engine would cost with the same NMRA DCC installed. Jerry Matsick Jacksonviile

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40854	From: T Larson	Date: 6/16/2006
Subject: REX gon

At http://www.greatdecals.com/ See several S scale decals. The text below is on the above webpage, suggesting using decals for the 10 panel Virginian gon on the similarly sized 12 panel Rex gon. # 46' low-side gondola decals, Virginian class G-5, $4.19 for S-scale, Image of the Rex S-scale Kit <http://www.greatdecals.com/Rexgon.jpg> Images and model courtesy of Hugh Butler <http://www.greatdecals.com/Butler.htm> -- Ted Larson http://www.gngoat.org/circus_boxcars.htm [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40855	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 6/16/2006
Subject: Re;Quality of S gauge vs. HO gauge

Jerry, there are a few differences between S and HO beside dimensions. Productiuon numbers of locomotives favor HO by probably ten to one. As you know price can come down as production numbers go up. There are also a much larger number of manufacturers in HO than any other scale, so there is more product and competition. Also, we in S gauge generally us AC power with a reverse unit which complicates using a control system. We have Lionel's TMCC in Flyonel locos, Locomatic in S-Helper, etc. Z, N, and HO scales can all use compatable DCC systems, which again large production numbers tell the tale. DCC is designed to go with "scale common" DC power. As to actual quality, I'd say S-Helper and American Models quality is in the ballpark with most HO manufacturers, while Flyonel trails as far as looks because in most cases they are using fifty year old molds. New Flyonel items are as good as SHS, AM, and the HO guys. S scale is a niche market to everyone but those of us in it, and I don't see us ever being able to compete with HO as far as production numbers, so our costs will also be higher than HO. However, look at it this way, we are memeber of a very exclusive group. Not just anybody is in S gauge! ;>) Stumpy Stone...feeling so superior in S.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40856	From: rlgriggs	Date: 6/16/2006
Subject: Finally, an 'S' Studebaker Avanti

Johnny Lightning has just issued (reportedly came out in May 2006) an 'S' Studebaker Avanti for our 'S' pikes. I've been wanting some for about 40 years (1/64 diecast models of Avantis, that is). You can see some photos (taken from eBay offerings) in my album: DINKY 'S' Studebaker Gas Tanker & other 'S' & 'REAL' Studebakers at: http://s-scale.org/albums/v/friends/rlgriggs/studebakers/ They're already available on eBay. Just go to the Johnny Lightning diecast section and do a search for: Studebaker +Avanti and you'll see all the current offerings. Hopefully, you'll be able to pick some up at your nearest K-Mart, Wal-Mart, Target, or another JL store in your area and save a few bucks. I was lucky enough to find one at a Target a couple days ago! :-) Regards, Randy Griggs

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40857	From: Bruce D. Willis	Date: 6/16/2006
Subject: Flyonel and $$$

I finally had a chance to catch up on the last few day's digests and had a couple comments. 1) Personally, I think the best answer offered up to the trackless Flyonel sets is that Lionel is producing for the AF collector and has no desire to get young people started in anything but O gauge. I, therefore, applaude the other manufactures who are offering starter sets. If we could only get them out to the masses (i.e. Wal- Mart, Target, Toys-r-Us) instead of tucked away in specialty stores. That, however, is a whole new level of volume production. How do we make that jump? We might start with Hobby Lobby. They have a fair offering of O, HO, & N at the starter level. 2) I'm happy that Lionel offered the Northern as they did. I can't afford all the "fancy bells and whistles" (TMCC, etc.). And I want engines that I can play with without worrying about breaking off detailed parts. I don't have a Gilbert Northern and didn't think I would ever be able to afford one in nice shape. The Lionel offering is stretching my budget a bit, but for a "mint" Northern, I'll take it. I understand the arguement of at least offering it in a TMCC version, but probably in light of the costs, they don't want to vary anything more than the paint. I placed an order for a NYC Mikado when it was first offered (not knowing how I was going to pay for it) because my uncle was a NYC engineer on one and I thought it would be really neat. After a few weeks of thinking about it, I decided it was pure stupidity (as an operator) to pay $150 to $200 more for it than an "equally" appointed AM Pacific, and ended up canceling the order. But I didn't get a Pacific either, mainly because of the above mentioned concern about breakability. I'm a niche, within our niche, who wants a durable train to play with that looks nice. Gilbert did a good job of that. The new Northern and Docksider fit my desires and budget. But other than that, I'll just have to continue to fix up old Flyer with new paint, can motors, and electronic e-units. 3) Oh, I have been picking up some of the Flyonel accessories. Again, as updated copies of the Gilbert originals, they are mostly durable (stupid plastic gear on the sawmill) and where else am I going to get "mint" accessories for the price? I'm an operator. My trains are for fun. (Not intended as a slight on anyone else's various interests in trains.) Bruce

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40858	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 6/16/2006
Subject: Re: Great Dealers - thank you Gentlemen

We in S gauge have some great people to work with, Mark Preman, Doug Peck, and Joe Haenn and anytime I purchase from them they are just great to work with and have great buys. Example: Received a Excellent Like New Great Northern EP5 electric and caboose today, and great operating on the layout with Trainsounds Chatter and a great Horn and Bell! . Now the Question is: TMCC, DCS, DCC or Locomatic? or just operate in Conventional mode? Jerry Matsick

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40859	From: Phil K	Date: 6/16/2006
Subject: Re: Re;Quality of S gauge vs. HO gauge

Stump -- you nailed it! Jerry -- Come to Chicago for Fall S Fest Nov. 3-5 and we'll let you throw out the first HO fan! Phil K ****************************************************************** --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Stumpy Stone" <mrstumpy@...> wrote: > > Jerry, there are a few differences between S and HO beside > dimensions. Productiuon numbers of locomotives favor HO by probably > ten to one. As you know price can come down as production numbers go > up. There are also a much larger number of manufacturers in HO than > any other scale, so there is more product and competition. > Also, we in S gauge generally us AC power with a reverse unit which > complicates using a control system. We have Lionel's TMCC in Flyonel > locos, Locomatic in S-Helper, etc. Z, N, and HO scales can all use > compatable DCC systems, which again large production numbers tell the > tale. DCC is designed to go with "scale common" DC power. > As to actual quality, I'd say S-Helper and American Models quality > is in the ballpark with most HO manufacturers, while Flyonel trails as > far as looks because in most cases they are using fifty year old > molds. New Flyonel items are as good as SHS, AM, and the HO guys. > S scale is a niche market to everyone but those of us in it, and I > don't see us ever being able to compete with HO as far as production > numbers, so our costs will also be higher than HO. > However, look at it this way, we are memeber of a very exclusive > group. Not just anybody is in S gauge! ;>) > Stumpy Stone...feeling so superior in S. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40860	From: Bill Clark	Date: 6/17/2006
Subject: Re: Quality of S gauge vs HO gauge

The difference in price is not due to DCC. SHS sells DCC no sound diesels for $25-$30 per loco more than the DC no sound version. DCC sound is $100 more than DC no sound. I just looked up an Atlas HO Dash-8 loco (they don't lest F7s oe SW-9s) and the retail 1s $149.95 DC no sound, and $259.95 with DCC sound. So the loco is $50 less than an SHS F7, and the additional price for installed DCC sound is $10 more. I think, especially with SHS, we S scalers get a great deal on installed DCC. By the way, I don't work for SHS. I do their website, and am a customer and friend. Regards, Bill At 07:23 PM 6/16/2006 +0000, Jerry Matsick wrote: >Just back from local hobby shop and this DCC operation stuff really >has me going! Looked at HO DCC equipment and the cost???? This is >sharp detailed equipment with DCC installed ready to go, why is the >cost of these engines (HO) running 1/2 or less of what an S gauge >engine would cost with the same NMRA DCC installed. > >Jerry Matsick >Jacksonviile

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40861	From: David Dewey	Date: 6/17/2006
Subject: That Switching Question

I'm kinda late responding to this one too. IF you want to run a loco into a siding, with cars behind it (assuming a dead-end siding), and then have another loco come into the siding and pull some cars out, you will have to have a section of isolated track long enough to hold your largest locomotive at the end of the siding (insulating pins on one rail with an on-off switch connected to both sides of the insulated rails. You will also need an uncoupler before the isolated section. Now, you run the train into the siding, uncouple the engine, and run it onto the isolated track; turn the switch off. Now you can run another loco into the siding and pick up the cars. To make this work really well, I would put another uncoupler at the beginning of the siding so you can insure at least one open coupler for the coupling process. Oh, you need to have enough distance between the first loco and the cars that the second loco doesn't push the cars and couple them onto the first loco! Ooops!! Now why would one want to do this? Maybe to just put the car onto a train running the opposite direction than the train is was on. Another method that I have done is to have a long siding, more like a branch line, with a dedicated loco and power supply. If the power supply is phased to the mainline transformer, you only need to insulate one rail on the main; otherwise you need to insulate both rails. On the main, you insulate on both sides of the switch. On the branched end, the insulator should be a ways (at least one track length) from an uncoupler that is at least a car length from the switch; on the "joined" end of the switch you need another uncoupler about 4 track lengths away, and the insulating pin beyond that. Now your mainline train approaches the switch, you uncouple the caboose "on the fly," run past the switch and uncouple the desired car "on the fly" and run the locomotive past the insulating pin. That train now stops. Now the siding locomotive comes out, and couples onto the car (put an uncoupler on the siding so you can insure the loco couplers are open) and runs it into the siding. Close the switch, and the mainline train backs up (three short toots) and couples onto its caboose, then signals and continues on. I used this on a display layout to run cars to the sawmill for loading, utilizing a switch engine with couplers on both ends--although it could be done with a loco with just one coupler. Hope that is clear as mud!!! S' David D. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40862	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 6/17/2006
Subject: Re: Quality of S gauge vs HO gauge

Bill Clark pretty much summed up the difference the DCC for me, I am not well "smarted" in the DCC tonque. did not realize that "Sound" is not included with all DCC engines. Used to TMCC and DCS in my days with O guage, that is the NORM it is included. Thanks Bill. Question for our great group: Would be interested to hear from you all on what "Digital Control system" you use and pros and cons of it, This will help the DCC illiterate. like me. Jerry Matsick Bill Clark <billclark42@...> wrote: The difference in price is not due to DCC. SHS sells DCC no sound diesels for $25-$30 per loco more than the DC no sound version. DCC sound is $100 more than DC no sound. I just looked up an Atlas HO Dash-8 loco (they don't lest F7s oe SW-9s) and the retail 1s $149.95 DC no sound, and $259.95 with DCC sound. So the loco is $50 less than an SHS F7, and the additional price for installed DCC sound is $10 more. I think, especially with SHS, we S scalers get a great deal on installed DCC. By the way, I don't work for SHS. I do their website, and am a customer and friend. Regards, Bill At 07:23 PM 6/16/2006 +0000, Jerry Matsick wrote: >Just back from local hobby shop and this DCC operation stuff really >has me going! Looked at HO DCC equipment and the cost???? This is >sharp detailed equipment with DCC installed ready to go, why is the >cost of these engines (HO) running 1/2 or less of what an S gauge >engine would cost with the same NMRA DCC installed. > >Jerry Matsick >Jacksonviile Jerry Matsick RESPOND TO Mtoytrain@... Jacksonville, Florida TCA 04-57715 NASG --------------------------------- Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40863	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 6/17/2006
Subject: Sunday Chat, 6/18/2006, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 40864	From: manderman	Date: 6/17/2006
Subject: K-Line track

A little while back... I think someone was looking for K-line track. I have found a source for new in the box track and they have at this time at least 60 sections of long straigt and maybe 40 sections of short straight. They want $6.50 per section of long straight and $3.25 per short. This seems a little high but if you can't get it somewhere else perhaps this is a good deal. I anyone is interested in some of this let me know off list and I will aquire it for you and only add shipping. Mark Anderman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40865	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 6/17/2006
Subject: Re: That Switching Question

DON'T FORGET you can always do a FLYING SWITCH...... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: David Dewey To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2006 12:27 PM Subject: [S-Trains] That Switching Question I'm kinda late responding to this one too. IF you want to run a loco into a siding, with cars behind it (assuming a dead-end siding), and then have another loco come into the siding and pull some cars out, you will have to have a section of isolated track long enough to hold your largest locomotive at the end of the siding (insulating pins on one rail with an on-off switch connected to both sides of the insulated rails. You will also need an uncoupler before the isolated section. Now, you run the train into the siding, uncouple the engine, and run it onto the isolated track; turn the switch off. Now you can run another loco into the siding and pick up the cars. To make this work really well, I would put another uncoupler at the beginning of the siding so you can insure at least one open coupler for the coupling process. Oh, you need to have enough distance between the first loco and the cars that the second loco doesn't push the cars and couple them onto the first loco! Ooops!! Now why would one want to do this? Maybe to just put the car onto a train running the opposite direction than the train is was on. Another method that I have done is to have a long siding, more like a branch line, with a dedicated loco and power supply. If the power supply is phased to the mainline transformer, you only need to insulate one rail on the main; otherwise you need to insulate both rails. On the main, you insulate on both sides of the switch. On the branched end, the insulator should be a ways (at least one track length) from an uncoupler that is at least a car length from the switch; on the "joined" end of the switch you need another uncoupler about 4 track lengths away, and the insulating pin beyond that. Now your mainline train approaches the switch, you uncouple the caboose "on the fly," run past the switch and uncouple the desired car "on the fly" and run the locomotive past the insulating pin. That train now stops. Now the siding locomotive comes out, and couples onto the car (put an uncoupler on the siding so you can insure the loco couplers are open) and runs it into the siding. Close the switch, and the mainline train backs up (three short toots) and couples onto its caboose, then signals and continues on. I used this on a display layout to run cars to the sawmill for loading, utilizing a switch engine with couplers on both ends--although it could be done with a loco with just one coupler. Hope that is clear as mud!!! S' David D. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40866	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 6/18/2006
Subject: K-LINE TRACK 54" CURVED

I found my K-Line track. It is new in the box. They come 16 to a box, I cannot split a box. I want $5 per piece (These are the 54" Radii) that comes to $80.00 + $10 shipping. I know seems a bit high, but these are brand new. If you can't find them elsewhere I have them. If you buy two or more the shipping is still $10 for the total order. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40867	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 6/18/2006
Subject: Sunday Chat, 6/18/2006, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 40868	From: faltrain5	Date: 6/19/2006
Subject: How does a engine that is post war american flyer back up without c

We all know that american flyer doesn't offer a reverse switch so do you get a engine to reverse its direction without switching the direction of all the other trains on the track also. I have tried getting the train onto a swith that is set into two train operation and throwing the switch twice to do that. Is there a way to get the engine to switch direction without clicking. I know about putting the engine into constant forward and reverse but that won't help I don't think. I believe a bumber reverses the direction of the train when it hits it too. Help.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40869	From: Alan Evans	Date: 6/19/2006
Subject: Phone Number for Triple S Supply or Tom Seccia

List, Trying to contact Tom Seccia. Anyone have a current phone number? - Alan Evans - Gahanna, Ohio [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40870	From: Barry Jamison	Date: 6/19/2006
Subject: Re: Phone Number for Triple S Supply or Tom Seccia

Alan, Number I have is 610-296-9428 fax 610-725-0332 email seccia@... Barry

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40871	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 6/19/2006
Subject: Re: Phone Number for Triple S Supply or Tom SeCcia

Tom is out of business. Joe Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613*9 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock; More than 1,300 part lines American Models ##### S-Helper Service ###### K-Line S Gauge joestrainrepair@... Master Card/Visa

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40872	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 6/19/2006
Subject: Re: Phone Number for Triple S Supply or Tom Seccia

Alan - I have an old catalog - tele. 610-296-9428 fax 610-725-0332 Address 288 Lancaster Ave., Malvern, PA19355-1800 Dick Kuepper Aurora, OH -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Alan Evans Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 12:54 PM To: S scale List; S Trains List Subject: [S-Trains] Phone Number for Triple S Supply or Tom Seccia List, Trying to contact Tom Seccia. Anyone have a current phone number? - Alan Evans - Gahanna, Ohio [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40873	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 6/19/2006
Subject: Re: How does a engine that is post war american flyer back up witho

Don't laugh....... but if I want 2 in the same direction....... slow them both down and rock the tender to break the circuit and get the direction you want...... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: faltrain5 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 12:32 PM Subject: [S-Trains] How does a engine that is post war american flyer back up without clicking??? We all know that american flyer doesn't offer a reverse switch so do you get a engine to reverse its direction without switching the direction of all the other trains on the track also. I have tried getting the train onto a swith that is set into two train operation and throwing the switch twice to do that. Is there a way to get the engine to switch direction without clicking. I know about putting the engine into constant forward and reverse but that won't help I don't think. I believe a bumber reverses the direction of the train when it hits it too. Help. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40874	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 6/19/2006
Subject: * *Fall S Fest 2006 in Chicago ** * Nov. 3-5, 2006 * , 6/20/2006,

Reminder from the Calendar of S-Trains * *Fall S Fest 2006 in Chicago ** * Nov. 3-5, 2006 * Tuesday June 20, 2006 All Day This event repeats every week, until Tuesday November 7, 2006. Event Location: Tinley Park Convention Center * I-80 at Harlem Ave. * Illinois Street: Holiday Inn Select * Tinley Park City, State, Zip: Adjacent to Convention Center Phone: (708) 444-1100 Notes: * Celebrating 100 Years of American Flyer * One of the nation's largest annual S gauge conventions. Over 22,000 SF of Trading Room, Layouts, Exhibits, Clinics, etc. Sponsored by Chicagoland Association of S Gaugers. More info at: http://www.trainweb.org/casg/sfest.html ALL RAILS MEET IN CHICAGO! ADVERTISEMENT         Yes No   Yes No     Yes No     Copyright ©  2006  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved. Privacy Policy - Terms of Service

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40875	From: Robert Graves	Date: 6/20/2006
Subject: Two questions from France

I got an email from someone in France who had found my website. He asked whether the #302 Atlantic had a "lit smoke generator." I don't know that term. Can any of you answer that question? He also asked what the European standard was for S-Gauge model railroads. I've never heard it called anything other than S-Gauge or S-Scale. Do any of you know if there's another name for it in Europe? Thanks. Bob --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40876	From: keefer1	Date: 6/20/2006
Subject: AMERICAN MODELS MILWAUKEE RD SET FOR SALE

New in the box, hi rail AC ,bell whistle . If interested email me off list for price and pics.Keith __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40877	From: manderman	Date: 6/20/2006
Subject: Re: Two questions from France

I would assume this person is refering to the red smoke tube found in some engines that gets some illumination from the headlight lamp. Sorry... no help on second question. Mark I got an email from someone in France who had found my website. He asked whether the #302 Atlantic had a "lit smoke generator." I don't know that term. Can any of you answer that question? He also asked what the European standard was for S-Gauge model railroads. I've never heard it called anything other than S-Gauge or S-Scale. Do any of you know if there's another name for it in Europe? Thanks. Bob --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40878	From: louis glumac	Date: 6/20/2006
Subject: WTB #484

hi,wanted to buy, American flyer #484 sante fe dummy unit,email me at lglumac@... thanks lou [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40879	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 6/20/2006
Subject: Need to contact Steve Blancard

If anyone can reach Steve, I need him to contact me. I have lost his email address. Steve Blackburn SnS Trains Boise, Id. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40880	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 6/20/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 3094 -- Questions from France

>> I've never heard it called anything other than S-Gauge or S-Scale. Do any of you know if there's another name for it in Europe? Thanks. Bob << The original designation for what we now call "S" is /was "H1" in England in the 1930s. The span for S-gauge is one half that for No. 1 gauge (as in H0 being half No. 0 gauge). Bob Bubeck ________________________________________________________________________ Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video search, pictures, email and IM. All on demand. Always Free.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40881	From: Jenni Sipla	Date: 6/20/2006
Subject: Re: How does a engine that is post war american flyer back up witho

1) Isolate the track that you wish to reverse 2) Supply power from the same transformer to the track section you wish to reverse 3) Install a NORMALLY CLOSED momentary switch between the track section and the transformer 4) The normally closed momentary switch when trigered will open the circuit killing power to the track section and tripping the reverse unit. you might even install resistors to get a slower speed on that section. 5) HAVE FUN!!!!!! Bret SIpla ROBERT ALLEN CONNER <rcon7@...> wrote: Don't laugh....... but if I want 2 in the same direction....... slow them both down and rock the tender to break the circuit and get the direction you want...... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: faltrain5 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 12:32 PM Subject: [S-Trains] How does a engine that is post war american flyer back up without clicking??? We all know that american flyer doesn't offer a reverse switch so do you get a engine to reverse its direction without switching the direction of all the other trains on the track also. I have tried getting the train onto a swith that is set into two train operation and throwing the switch twice to do that. Is there a way to get the engine to switch direction without clicking. I know about putting the engine into constant forward and reverse but that won't help I don't think. I believe a bumber reverses the direction of the train when it hits it too. Help. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --------------------------------- Want to be your own boss? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40882	From: faltrain5	Date: 6/21/2006
Subject: I got the link for my christmas train set so here it is........

Well I got my annual post war christmas train set pictures in for my own album of 05-06. http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/s- trains/photos/browse/5c63 -Geoffrey

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40883	From: faltrain5	Date: 6/21/2006
Subject: Think about it twice before acting!

I was just on ebay and saw a custom designed post-war american flyer engine, cars, and accessories. I am really not happy with it. Because american flyer went out of business and none are being made anymore nobody should be taking something like that and changing it. If this keeps up, american flyer trains will be so rare with all the original parts to where they will cost a fortune. I know there are a lot of people out there who like to experiment and do some crazy stuff with there trains, but we must think for the future too. So, if there is somebody out there who wants to change the lettering on a vintage ameircan flyer engine or car or whatever that is vintage gilbert, don't. I personally am not a american models collector and am a post- war guy and hate going to stores and train shows with people saying the engine is not original or it was actually a 302 when they changed it to a 300. It would be alright if the trains were still being mass produced but lets face it, there not. Think about it.....

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40884	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 6/21/2006
Subject: Re: Think about it twice before acting!

First of all it is proper & requested that you sign your posts so we know who we are writing to. Now the question on repaints. I agree with you to a point, but if the org. paint is so bad that you can't see the number or the color was changed by a kid in the 50's or later I see no reason not to restore it to the org. paint scheme. I have seen the auctions you have written about. I'm not in favor of what they do, but they are their trains & will find out that true flyer guys won't put up with it. So they won't buy them. I have a 343 that was in such bad cond. that I had a member of this list repaint it & renumber it to 343 which it was. I also put a DC can motor in it. It runs & looks great. But to each his own, Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40885	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 6/21/2006
Subject: Re;Think about it twice before acting.

As many on this list know, I have bought several junk American Flyer locos and cars and rebuilt them with DC can motors and did some repainting. I also have "customized" some of this stuff, but none of the items I've worked on are in any way rare. As far as ever running out of old Flyer, I very much doubt that will ever happen. In fact the common stuff seems to have leveled off or even gone down. The reasons for this have been discussed here before several times. Everyone on this Group are entitled to their opinions, and often post them. A name would be nice to write to, and most folks put at least their "handle" on their posts. Stumpy Stone...The Mad Butcher of Appalachia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40886	From: Phil K	Date: 6/21/2006
Subject: Re: Think about it twice before acting!

I guess there are a couple of ways of looking at this topic. Gilbert American Flyer was manufactured as kids' toys, not as pieces of expensive statuary or artwork to adore. Plus, who knew when they were first made that guys and gals like us would assign them so much reverence? I know a guy who has a $25,000 minty 332 with silver lettering and brass buttons from 1946 -- he has it sitting on an altar, complete with candles. ;-) Here's my thoughts: I see nothing wrong if someone salvages a junker steam locomotive that might otherwise end up in a landfill, fixes the mechanics, sandblasts the old paint and repaints and reletters it to make it attractive again. There are plenty of 300s and 302s out there, not to mention the Casey Jones locos -- so I would anticipate no shortage until 2099 or so. ;-) On the other hand, I have a NYC 20th Century Limited made from a kit with a shell sold long ago by R. Tom Hodgson at American Hi-Rail. To get the working innards -- GULP! -- some moron eviscerated a 21129. Yeeeeeeeeeow! I don't see this eBay item as a reason to get upset, though. Life is too short... Signing my posts, Phil K --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "faltrain5" <faltrain5@...> wrote: > > I was just on ebay and saw a custom designed post-war american > flyer engine, cars, and accessories. I am really not happy with it. > Because american flyer went out of business and none are being made > anymore nobody should be taking something like that and changing it. > If this keeps up, american flyer trains will be so rare with all the > original parts to where they will cost a fortune. I know there are a > lot of people out there who like to experiment and do some crazy stuff > with there trains, but we must think for the future too. So, if there > is somebody out there who wants to change the lettering on a vintage > ameircan flyer engine or car or whatever that is vintage gilbert, > don't. I personally am not a american models collector and am a post- > war guy and hate going to stores and train shows with people saying > the engine is not original or it was actually a 302 when they changed > it to a 300. It would be alright if the trains were still being mass > produced but lets face it, there not. > > > Think about it..... >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40887	From: beebear	Date: 6/21/2006
Subject: Old Flyer

I have to agree with you there Stumpy about not running out of the original stuff. Especially when you see pictures of guys collections that cover several walls in their train rooms and to think of the number of people who have such collections. I used to get upset that I couldn't find any rolling stock except on EBay or places like that. But now with the new stuff from S Helper, American Models and the like I would rather spend the money on the new stuff and get rid of the old stuff. The new rolling stock runs sooo much better and looks better too Just my 2 cent worth John > As far as ever running out of old Flyer, I very much doubt that will > ever happen. In fact the common stuff seems to have leveled off or > even gone down. The reasons for this have been discussed here before > several times.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40888	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 6/21/2006
Subject: Re: SIGNING POSTS

Maybe I'm ion error but I think I remember Paul asking us to please be polite & sign our posts. If I'm in error I know I'll be corrected. IF so I'm sorry for being a bit "HEAVY HANDED" in my composing my post. "The almost never in error":) Mike PS: Note smiling face before Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40889	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 6/21/2006
Subject: Re: 343 DC REPAINT

I have a 343 repaint to org. color & #'s It has a SnS Can DC motor. $260 shipping. You reading this Stumpy? Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40890	From: dwightlehnhoff	Date: 6/21/2006
Subject: MTH coal loader

For some weird reason the green button makes the clam shell raise with the sell open and the red button lowers it with the shell closed-just the opposite of proper operation. Any ideas? reversing the AC power wires at the transformer didn't make a difference. This all began after a couple of years of correct operation. Dwight

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40891	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 6/22/2006
Subject: Re: Think about it twice before acting!

I am sorry if some feel this way, but I will continue to take dead or broken American Flyer, and make whatever I want with the parts. I will also use American Models, Bachmann, MARX, or whatever I can pick up for little money. But I'll not pass up the AF just so there will be more parts for collectors. Most they would never use anyhow. My feeling is that a lot of collectors will be dead before too long and there will be all the "collectable" AF out there you could want anyhow. jfred faltrain5 <faltrain5@...> wrote: I was just on ebay and saw a custom designed post-war american flyer engine, cars, and accessories. I am really not happy with it. Because american flyer went out of business and none are being made anymore nobody should be taking something like that and changing it. If this keeps up, american flyer trains will be so rare with all the original parts to where they will cost a fortune. I know there are a lot of people out there who like to experiment and do some crazy stuff with there trains, but we must think for the future too. So, if there is somebody out there who wants to change the lettering on a vintage ameircan flyer engine or car or whatever that is vintage gilbert, don't. I personally am not a american models collector and am a post- war guy and hate going to stores and train shows with people saying the engine is not original or it was actually a 302 when they changed it to a 300. It would be alright if the trains were still being mass produced but lets face it, there not. Think about it..... --------------------------------- Want to be your own boss? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40892	From: clifma19@cox.net	Date: 6/22/2006
Subject: Gillford Station

Is it possible for a Gillford Station to run backwards? clifma19@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40893	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 6/22/2006
Subject: Re: GREAT DVD - Steam Trains Volume 1

If anyone is interested or havent been able to find one at their local Family dollar store, I have extras, first responders (via email) gets them. Side One - Steaming to LA (120 Minutes) with the 4449 Daylight streaming down the California coastline, and the 8444 coming from Wyoming over streams, and mountains on way to Los Angeles and the celebration at the LA Union Terminal. Side Two - Operation San Jose - 1992 Convention of NHRS 2 hours, great shots of Steamers, Diesels and the San francisco 100th Anniversary of Street Car Operations. These are fantastic color video and true sounds of the Trains and documentation, no overlayed music, all real life action. $1.50 to cover dvd, handling and mailing cost. Jerry Matsick Jacksonville

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40894	From: Jenni Sipla	Date: 6/22/2006
Subject: THINK A LITTLE BEFORE YOU WRITE

to those that oppose custom AF KEEP IN MIND OF HOW MUCH JUNK AF "YOU" PAST UP DURING ALL YOUR TRAIN SHOW AND SWAP MEET ESCAPADES. "IF YOU DO NOT BUY THE JUNK; YOU HAVE NO SAY IN WHAT PEOPLE DUE WITH THE JUNK!" BRET SIPLA Don't count on all of us 20-30 somethings that collect and enjoy operating A.C. Gilbert A.F.kicking the bucket anytime soon. There are more collectors out there then you can imagine. I currently have 6 in my family 1 16 girl and 2 10 boys my self 30 my brother 37 and my father 62. This hobby will outlast all of us and that is a fact!! i perfer original ACG before i will buy a repaint or restored. I do have to state that a hand full of people making customs really is not going to hurt the ACG collecting or original parts. In fact I would rather see you and others custom the leftover broken or bent shells and damaged pieces (otherwise unwanted scrap) which is to say I hope that is what others do. Very few collectors purchase the JUNK. Unlike other collector/operators like my self that do. the only thing that hurts this hobbie are those that throw away the junk or even the good stuff due to "IGNORANCE". That is to say they have a lack of knowledge of people that might want these items. Unfortunatly not much can be done with a broken plastic/metal or bent metal engine shell. A drive assembly that has been dropped and the area where the motor mounts is broken or bent. Would you rather see these pieces in the garbage or take pride that some one takes the time to make something out of them. I know one thing a collector will not buy that engine with a broken or bent shell or damaged drive even if all the rest of the parts are still good. he figures he will find someone down at another table that has just the motor for sale for TWICE THE AMOUNT HE COULD HAVE BOUGHT THE WHOLE ENGINE FOR DUUUUHH. THINK ABOUT THAT TWICE...... ANOTHER MANS JUNK IS ALWAYS ANOTHER MANS TREASURE TAKE BREATH AND LIVE ON Bret JFrederick Roberts <jfred436@...> wrote: I am sorry if some feel this way, but I will continue to take dead or broken American Flyer, and make whatever I want with the parts. I will also use American Models, Bachmann, MARX, or whatever I can pick up for little money. But I'll not pass up the AF just so there will be more parts for collectors. Most they would never use anyhow. My feeling is that a lot of collectors will be dead before too long and there will be all the "collectable" AF out there you could want anyhow. jfred faltrain5 <faltrain5@...> wrote: I was just on ebay and saw a custom designed post-war american flyer engine, cars, and accessories. I am really not happy with it. Because american flyer went out of business and none are being made anymore nobody should be taking something like that and changing it. If this keeps up, american flyer trains will be so rare with all the original parts to where they will cost a fortune. I know there are a lot of people out there who like to experiment and do some crazy stuff with there trains, but we must think for the future too. So, if there is somebody out there who wants to change the lettering on a vintage ameircan flyer engine or car or whatever that is vintage gilbert, don't. I personally am not a american models collector and am a post- war guy and hate going to stores and train shows with people saying the engine is not original or it was actually a 302 when they changed it to a 300. It would be alright if the trains were still being mass produced but lets face it, there not. Think about it..... --------------------------------- Want to be your own boss? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --------------------------------- Want to be your own boss? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40895	From: dieseldave72	Date: 6/22/2006
Subject: WTB 364 Santa Fe B Unit

Hey Gang Im looking for a 364 in satin finish. It doesn't have to be a show piece a light fixer upper is o.k. These usually go on the "bay" 1n the $30-45 range. But I'm always up for a better offer ;-) Thanks dieseldave72@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40896	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 6/22/2006
Subject: Re: Gillford Station

Posted by: "clifma19@..." clifma19@... clifma19: << Is it possible for a Gillford Station to run << backwards? Absolutely. Simply change the "feet". In other words, use black cow foot material instead of brown cow foot material. This makes the people go clockwise instead of counter-clockwise. Joe Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613*9 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock; More than 1,300 part lines American Models ##### S-Helper Service ###### K-Line S Gauge joestrainrepair@... Master Card/Visa

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40897	From: Brigadier Scottish Shop Beechworth	Date: 6/22/2006
Subject: American Flyer "Junk"

I have been reading with great interest the discussion on "customizing" AF. Here is my "ten cents" worth on the subject. Yes, I am "guilty" of "restoring" or rebuilding AF locos and cars. I have a few items in more or less original condition. Most of the locos have been converted to DC can motors; a conversion that is easily reversed. The original motors are put in a bag with a label and stored carefully. Almost everything else has been rebuilt using "junk" and reproduction parts. A broken loco or car is hardly a collectors item. I believe it is better to restore these items than have them end up in the trash where so much of American Flyer history has gone already. We are loosing items everyday. A C Gilbert designed his products to be used. I think it is wonderful that my 1946 engines are once again running around the railroad track and entertaining the young people of today even if it takes parts from junker or reproductions. Thanks, John Harvey

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40898	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 6/22/2006
Subject: Re: THINK A LITTLE BEFORE YOU WRITE

I think the ones that make me the maddest are the sellers that take a good running engine apart & piece it out. They IMHO think that by doing so the can get more money & they are right. Mike ( tries to sign his name most of the time) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40899	From: hjsheff	Date: 6/22/2006
Subject: TCA Convention

Hi Guys and Gals Can someone give me the location for the TCA Convention in San Antonio Thanks Howard Sheffield

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40900	From: Larry Moore	Date: 6/22/2006
Subject: Set For Sale

To all: I am helping a couple sell a set and pieces that they have had since early 50's. It was purchased by the lady's father in the Chicago area. There is a typed list included in the box that says the following: A complete American Flyer Train Set consists of the following: #5205W Train; #2 transformer; #790 Traxnorama (should be Trainorama); #270 News Stand; #161 Bungalow; #162 Factory; #271 Whistle Stop Set; #272 Station and News Stand; #273 R.R. Station; #274 Freight station; and #165 Grain elevator. My guess is that the store selling this set made it up from pieces as the paper does not have Flyer logo anywhere on it. I have seen the engine; cars and all pieces, with the following observations: #5205W set box is complete and in very good condition. The #405 engine is in very good plus condition, with an area about the size of a quarter with some chrome loss, the horns are broken off, box is complete with wrap. will be testing this weekend to see if it runs. The cars are chrome plastic and consist of #660/661/662. Car boxes are present with some flaps off. All cars are in excellent condition. All the buildings are in excellent condition and include original boxes with the exception of whistle stop set and beans and franks/ news stand. Track is there, crossover, uncoupler, air- chime whistle control and tube, track clips. Couples son burned up transformer sometime in the past. I am notifying group first, if anyone is interested. I will supply more detailed info, pictures and price as requested. I would love to purchase all myself, but at this time do not have means to pay what these items as a whole, is worth. If no interest from group, will be listing on Ebay in near future. Please contact me with any questions regarding these items. Thanks, Larry Moore [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40901	From: Charles E. Smith	Date: 6/22/2006
Subject: Re: MTH coal loader

This can happen with my Flyer original if you allow the thing to run too long and wind past the end of the string. Chuck Smith, http://www.trainweb.org/chucksmith On matters of style swim with the current. On matters of substance stand like a rock. Thos. Jefferson (may be paraphrased) ----- Original Message ----- From: dwightlehnhoff To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 8:00 PM Subject: [S-Trains] MTH coal loader For some weird reason the green button makes the clam shell raise with the sell open and the red button lowers it with the shell closed-just the opposite of proper operation. Any ideas? reversing the AC power wires at the transformer didn't make a difference. This all began after a couple of years of correct operation. Dwight [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40902	From: Phil K	Date: 6/22/2006
Subject: Re: Set For Sale

All you listed was sold as an uncataloged set by the Polk Brothers Appliance Stores chain in the Chicago area for Christmas 1952. At the time, Gilbert was phasing out both the MiniCraft buildings and anything that still had link couplers. Polk Bros. got an excellent deal to help liquidate the merchandise. I'd have to look in my archives to see what the store price was -- I believe one ad bundled the set and buildings with a rotating shiny aluminum Christmas tree with rotating color wheel light. (Remember those? They bring BIG bucks on eBay today.) The chrome PA unit was originally supposed to have Burlington markings (paid for by the RR), but at the last minute Gilbert decided to make it the "Silver Streak" instead. The 405 PA came with a horn. The set was also a bit unusual in that it contained three passenger cars -- and no observation car. I have three of these sets. I have also found 5205W sets where somebody ubstituted a 500 and 501 for two of the cars. (Oh happy day!) Some Flyer guides claim some 405s had decals with "Silver Streak" in black with a yellow background, but I've never seen one even in a photo. The "usual" 405 decals were red lettering on a white background. There also was a rarer version of the 405 in frosted chrome. The sets were made for and sold exclusively by Polk Brothers. I still find them from time to time here in the Chicago area. Personally speaking, unless I see the entire set and can examine each piece carefully, it's hard to come up with a price estimate, Larry. An educated guess would be from $2,000 VG to $5,000 E+ depending on condition and where you sell it. Also, the visual appearance of the original boxes is a critical factor in making an accurate estimate. Phil K ***************************************************************** In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Larry Moore" <mo2337@...> wrote: > > To all: I am helping a couple sell a set and pieces that they have had since early 50's. It was purchased by the lady's father in the Chicago area. There is a typed list included in the box that says the following: A complete American Flyer Train Set consists of the following: #5205W Train; #2 transformer; #790 Traxnorama (should be Trainorama); #270 News Stand; #161 Bungalow; #162 Factory; #271 Whistle Stop Set; #272 Station and News Stand; #273 R.R. Station; #274 Freight station; and #165 Grain elevator. My guess is that the store selling this set made it up from pieces as the paper does not have Flyer logo anywhere on it. > > I have seen the engine; cars and all pieces, with the following observations: #5205W set box is complete and in very good condition. The #405 engine is in very good plus condition, with an area about the size of a quarter with some chrome loss, the horns are broken off, box is complete with wrap. will be testing this weekend to see if it runs. > The cars are chrome plastic and consist of #660/661/662. Car boxes are present with some flaps off. All cars are in excellent condition. > > All the buildings are in excellent condition and include original boxes with the exception of whistle stop set and beans and franks/ news stand. Track is there, crossover, uncoupler, air- chime whistle control and tube, track clips. Couples son burned up transformer sometime in the past. > > I am notifying group first, if anyone is interested. I will supply more detailed info, pictures and price as requested. > I would love to purchase all myself, but at this time do not have means to pay what these items as a whole, is worth. > > If no interest from group, will be listing on Ebay in near future. Please contact me with any questions regarding these items. > > Thanks, Larry Moore > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40903	From: paflyrman	Date: 6/23/2006
Subject: Off Topic - Question about German 2 Rail Track

I have acquired some old O gauge two rail track whose manufacturer I am trying to determine. There is "Germany" stamped on each tie, as well as a "W". Just above the "W" there is a symbol that appears as 2 baseball home plates with their pointed sides pointing into the spacings in the "W". Does anyone recognize this marking? Thanks. paflyrman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40904	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 6/23/2006
Subject: Re: American Flyer "Junk"

We are in the process of moving. All of my layout and collection have been cleaned, wrapped and packed for operation in our new home. Several years ago I was asked by a widow to get her husband's "S" scale trains and layout out of her house. He had a Silver Bullet 356 engine that he had stripped for repainting. Well, I did not have a Circus Engine to pull my collection of circus cars so I repainted the shell circus engine red and numbered it 353. No American Flyer operator or collector would take this for a rare Circus Engine. It has a plastic body and smokes great and our friends enjoy it on my Christmas layout. Another AF engine saved from the junk pile. Glenn..setting up AF in Honey Brook, PA ----- Original Message ----- From: Brigadier Scottish Shop Beechworth To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 8:29 PM Subject: [S-Trains] American Flyer "Junk" I have been reading with great interest the discussion on "customizing" AF. Here is my "ten cents" worth on the subject. Yes, I am "guilty" of "restoring" or rebuilding AF locos and cars. I have a few items in more or less original condition. Most of the locos have been converted to DC can motors; a conversion that is easily reversed. The original motors are put in a bag with a label and stored carefully. Almost everything else has been rebuilt using "junk" and reproduction parts. A broken loco or car is hardly a collectors item. I believe it is better to restore these items than have them end up in the trash where so much of American Flyer history has gone already. We are loosing items everyday. A C Gilbert designed his products to be used. I think it is wonderful that my 1946 engines are once again running around the railroad track and entertaining the young people of today even if it takes parts from junker or reproductions. Thanks, John Harvey [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40905	From: BENJAMIN PERRY	Date: 6/23/2006
Subject: Re: THINK A LITTLE BEFORE YOU WRITE

Amen! Ben Perry The hobo Lets his Whiskers sprout It's trains-not girls That he takes out BURMA-SHAVE -----Original Message----- From: Jenni Sipla Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 12:15 PM To: JFrederick Roberts, faltrain5, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] THINK A LITTLE BEFORE YOU WRITE to those that oppose custom AF KEEP IN MIND OF HOW MUCH JUNK AF "YOU" PAST UP DURING ALL YOUR TRAIN SHOW AND SWAP MEET ESCAPADES. "IF YOU DO NOT BUY THE JUNK; YOU HAVE NO SAY IN WHAT PEOPLE DUE WITH THE JUNK!" BRET SIPLA Don't count on all of us 20-30 somethings that collect and enjoy operating A.C. Gilbert A.F.kicking the bucket anytime soon. There are more collectors out there then you can imagine. I currently have 6 in my family 1 16 girl and 2 10 boys my self 30 my brother 37 and my father 62. This hobby will outlast all of us and that is a fact!! i perfer original ACG before i will buy a repaint or restored. I do have to state that a hand full of people making customs really is not going to hurt the ACG collecting or original parts. In fact I would rather see you and others custom the leftover broken or bent shells and damaged pieces (otherwise unwanted scrap) which is to say I hope that is what others do. Very few collectors purchase the JUNK. Unlike other collector/operators like my self that do. the only thing that hurts this hobbie are those that throw away the junk or even the good stuff due to "IGNORANCE". That is to say they have a lack of knowledge of people that might want these items. Unfortunatly not much can be done with a broken plastic/metal or bent metal engine shell. A drive assembly that has been dropped and the area where the motor mounts is broken or bent. Would you rather see these pieces in the garbage or take pride that some one takes the time to make something out of them. I know one thing a collector will not buy that engine with a broken or bent shell or damaged drive even if all the rest of the parts are still good. he figures he will find someone down at another table that has just the motor for sale for TWICE THE AMOUNT HE COULD HAVE BOUGHT THE WHOLE ENGINE FOR DUUUUHH. THINK ABOUT THAT TWICE...... ANOTHER MANS JUNK IS ALWAYS ANOTHER MANS TREASURE TAKE BREATH AND LIVE ON Bret JFrederick Roberts <jfred436@...> wrote: I am sorry if some feel this way, but I will continue to take dead or broken American Flyer, and make whatever I want with the parts. I will also use American Models, Bachmann, MARX, or whatever I can pick up for little money. But I'll not pass up the AF just so there will be more parts for collectors. Most they would never use anyhow. My feeling is that a lot of collectors will be dead before too long and there will be all the "collectable" AF out there you could want anyhow. jfred faltrain5 <faltrain5@...> wrote: I was just on ebay and saw a custom designed post-war american flyer engine, cars, and accessories. I am really not happy with it. Because american flyer went out of business and none are being made anymore nobody should be taking something like that and changing it. If this keeps up, american flyer trains will be so rare with all the original parts to where they will cost a fortune. I know there are a lot of people out there who like to experiment and do some crazy stuff with there trains, but we must think for the future too. So, if there is somebody out there who wants to change the lettering on a vintage ameircan flyer engine or car or whatever that is vintage gilbert, don't. I personally am not a american models collector and am a post- war guy and hate going to stores and train shows with people saying the engine is not original or it was actually a 302 when they changed it to a 300. It would be alright if the trains were still being mass produced but lets face it, there not. Think about it..... --------------------------------- Want to be your own boss? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --------------------------------- Want to be your own boss? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40906	From: Roy Inman	Date: 6/23/2006
Subject: Re: American Flyer "Junk"

Seems to me that the bottom line is, well the bottom line. If you pay you get to play. Once a piece of equipment is bought for whatever reason, it is removed from the market. If the person just ahead of you at the train show bought an old AF engine and did...whatever with it, from perfectly restoring it to like new 1948 condition or from kitbashing to a new, unrecognizable animal makes no difference in the long run. It just kept the piece from YOUR hands, which because they are YOUR hands, (the person following the person at the train show who missed the piece) the purpose must therefore be higher, true? . How the new owner chooses to treat that purchase is of no concern to anyone else, IMHO. I personally fail to see how can there be a moral connection to a purchase of a toy train. There are toy train museums to preserve the Gilbert heritage, and rightly so. Those repositories, we would hope, would uphold the highest standards in collection and restoration.In the dynamics of the marketplace, there is only buy, sell, trade or otherwise exchange. Roy Inman From: Glenn Ritter <gartrain@...> Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 07:43:25 -0400 To: Brigadier Scottish Shop Beechworth <brigadie@...>, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] American Flyer "Junk" It has a plastic body and smokes great and our friends enjoy it on my Christmas layout. Another AF engine saved from the junk pile. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40907	From: Roy Inman	Date: 6/23/2006
Subject: S vehicles

Greetings to the groups :) Wondering if anyone would be willing to share an online source (or otherwise) for Johnny Lightning cars, etc.? Trying to catch them at Target, et al, is pretty tough, especially when one is looking for specific models... Any suggestions appreciated. Cheers :) Roy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40908	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 6/24/2006
Subject: Re: S vehicles

Roy Try your local "Big Lots" ours has a good selection of various cars made by Johnny Lightning. Jerry M Roy Inman <rinphoto@...> wrote: Greetings to the groups :) Wondering if anyone would be willing to share an online source (or otherwise) for Johnny Lightning cars, etc.? Trying to catch them at Target, et al, is pretty tough, especially when one is looking for specific models... Any suggestions appreciated. Cheers :) Roy Jerry Matsick RESPOND TO Mtoytrain@... Jacksonville, Florida TCA 04-57715 NASG --------------------------------- Want to be your own boss? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40909	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 6/24/2006
Subject: Junk Flyer and European S gauge question

This is my fourth attempt at posting lately. Dont know what happened to the other three. Re the Junk Flyer. Whilst I agree what you do with your own is your business we have to remember there are purists obsessional about getting or cataloging all the variations in Flyer locos. I am to a degree in that category with Atlantics. And believe me there are still oddball rare items turning up as junkers that ought not be junked or repainted. However having said that there would be few who care and they probably have all the items concerned. Further it is certain that all this stuff will come on the market as numbers of owners diminish. As to museum collections - unless of the magnitude of the Smithsonian they always end up being dispersed - especially in these days of diminishing funds for maintenance and high repair costs. The two questions from the European collector.- Guess it has been realised they were only asking if the original smoke unit with the headlight bulb illuminating the smoke up the chiimney was in place. The other question I would suspect could not be answered by 99% of us. In metric measurements, the old European Tinplate standard for S gauge track was 22.5 milimeters. American standard S gauge translates to roughly 22.2 milimeters. German tinplate S gauge was manufactured between 1946 and the 1980's, mostly in East Germany. Alistair

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40910	From: daysend40	Date: 6/24/2006
Subject: AF / LIONEL O-6-0 ELECTRONIC UNIT

Hello; I just put on a FlyLionel Electronic unit from their new Dockside Switcher. This should make the hair on some peoples neck rise. I removed ot to install a Soundtrax Tsuami sound unit. The ebay item number is 280001297813 if anyone is interested. Thank you Joe Wagner trainmaster1940@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40911	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 6/24/2006
Subject: Google Sketchup - Free Cad Program

If you are looking for a totaly free and very cool cad program. Go to http://www.sketchup.com/ If you create stuff using it please share it with the group. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40912	From: Bill Lane	Date: 6/24/2006
Subject: South Jersey S Gaugers Store

Hi All, The South Jersey S Gaugers recently negotiated a deal that was a complete win for them. With 4 major sized malls within 15 miles north of where I live in Deptford, the Echelon Mall in Voorhees NJ has had a difficult time in the past few years with a high store vacancy rate. The mall is not really run down, but has somewhat fallen out of favor with shoppers. Hank Worrell approached the management of the Echelon Mall about using one for the vacant stores as a place to promote S Scale to the masses, but mostly as a location that is very centralized to the members to build their second larger sectional layout which had been in a distant member's basement for a few years. Hank came away with a deal that was nothing short of amazing. The SJSG has FREE (that is NO charge, NADA, not much money at all) use of a 4000 SQ FT store for a year as long as it does not get leased or assigned for renovation. If this happens the management will place them in another store in the mall within the agreed year lease. It has an outdoor entrance so they can stay to the wee hours if they want to. They open the store to the public on specific advertised days. How they wound up in a vacant store that is directly across from the Victoria's Secrets store is still under investigation. Hank offered no comment. They are not allowed to sell anything, but can give away promotional S literature. I heard about this a few months ago, and I had the chance to stop by the other night. http://mywebpages.comcast.net/billlane/SJSG.jpg I was extremely impressed to say the least. They quickly seized the opportunity to make 2 small store front layouts. One is hirail oriented and the other is more American Flyer oriented. In the front section of the store is their first sectional layout that is getting on about 10 years old now. They have curtained off the back section of the store where the new layout is being built to afford some privacy and keep appearances up. They small front layouts are usually running when they are working in the back. Perhaps you have a mall in your area that is in a similar situation. You could approach them to do something with your club. You could get a large climate controlled area for free and still promote S Scale to the masses. Again, it is truly a win win for all involved. It will be interesting to see what impact the store has on their membership when the Christmas season approaches. Thank You, Bill Lane Modeling the Mighty Pennsy in S Scale in 1957 since 1988 See my finished models at: http://www.lanestrains.com Over 100 new photos recently added Importing a Brass S Scale PRR X29 & G26 http://www.pennsysmodels.com ALL of the production X29 have arrived as of 6-30-05 Replacement PRR decals arrived 10-5-05 The G26 & G26a is complete. PRR Builders Photos Bought, Sold & Traded (Trading is MUCH preferred) http://mywebpages.comcast.net/billlane/PRRphotos.xls ***Join the PRR T&HS*** The other members are not ALL like me! http://www.prrths.com http://mywebpages.comcast.net/billlane/PRRTHS_Application.pdf

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40913	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 6/24/2006
Subject: Sunday Chat, 6/25/2006, 8:00 pm

Reminder from the Calendar of S-Trains Sunday Chat Sunday June 25, 2006 8:00 pm - 11:00 pm This event repeats every week. The next reminder for this event will be sent in 23 hours, 4 minutes. Event Location: http://s-scale.org/forum/ Street: http://s-scale.org/forum/ Notes: http://s-scale.org/forum/ Copyright ©  2006  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved. Privacy Policy - Terms of Service

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40914	From: Rick Evans	Date: 6/24/2006
Subject: Re: S vehicles

I ordered a few Johnny Lightenings from a website, I seem to remember though, that's it's no longer there. Should be some other sites out there. Rick. Greetings to the groups :) Wondering if anyone would be willing to share an online source (or otherwise) for Johnny Lightning cars, etc.? Trying to catch them at Target, et al, is pretty tough, especially when one is looking for specific models... Any suggestions appreciated. Cheers :) Roy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40915	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 6/24/2006
Subject: WARNING This message uses the "L" word

For the first time in 30 years, "Inside Track" the magazine of the Lionel Railroader Club Has a two page write-up on "Lionel-American Flyer" They end with "Tell your friends about these great new Lionel American Flyer S-Gauge trains. The more we can produce, the more variations and new items we can offer in the future" Some people have been saying that for a long time, but this is in print in something published by the company. I've kept up membership in the club just to get the catalogs. This is the first time the magazine has had anything about American Flyer that I've seen. jfred --------------------------------- How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger’s low PC-to-Phone call rates. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40916	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 6/25/2006
Subject: Re: South Jersey S Gaugers Store

Bill, excellent idea. Best wishes to everyone associated with it. Look forward to pics for sharing on the Internet and in some of the S gauge publication. Paul S. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40917	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 6/25/2006
Subject: Autocad - S-Scale Track

In the past I created Flyer & S-Helper track drawings in Autocad. That made it possible to build layouts in Autocad or IntelliCAD. Those drawings were on one of my drives that went south recently. (I am looking for a data recovery expert.) I was wondering if anyone on the list had Autocad compatible track sections to share? Mine or yours. I suspect they will be usable in SketchUp. http://sketchup.google.com/ Paul Yorke [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40918	From: Roy Inman	Date: 6/25/2006
Subject: Re: Autocad - S-Scale Track

RailModeller 2.2.4 program has AM and SHS track drawings. From: Paul Yorke <s_trains@...> Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 10:47:33 -0400 To: slist <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Subject: [S-Trains] Autocad - S-Scale Track In the past I created Flyer & S-Helper track drawings in Autocad. That made it possible to build layouts in Autocad or IntelliCAD. Those drawings were on one of my drives that went south recently. (I am looking for a data recovery expert.) I was wondering if anyone on the list had Autocad compatible track sections to share? Mine or yours. I suspect they will be usable in SketchUp. http://sketchup.google.com/ Paul Yorke [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40919	From: jt12313	Date: 6/25/2006
Subject: Target and JL S vehicles

On a "for what it's worth" note my local Target stores (Lincoln, NE) have not had a Johnny Lightning restock since the end of the holiday shopping season. I keep seeing the same forlorn 1930s Hispano phaeton (sp) on our weekly Target runs. I hope to see some JL Studebaker Avantis soon too. Jeff T. PS: we also stop at Des Moines area Targets and they have been lacking in new JL product too. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40920	From: hspanier2000	Date: 6/25/2006
Subject: Who Doesn't Own a Piece of Scale Marx?

With this in mind I have written 2 Marx eBay guides strictly for the fun of it. I do not sell Marx. Just enjoy it. I have been collecting and developing an interest in Marx for quite a while. Have you noticed what is unique in the Classic Toy Trains photo in the July 2006 issue page 16. It is a majestic sight! My interests have lead me to some expertise in Marx. With this in mind I have written 2 new guides. Do take a look at the 2 below links and if you feel they add value your YES vote is appreciated: Marx Train Guide --------2-4-2 Steamers 666 & 1666 http://reviews.ebay.com/Marx-Train-Guide-2-4-2-Steamers-666-amp-1666_W0QQugidZ10000000001234906 Marx Train Guide---------2002 Electric Hand Cars http://reviews.ebay.com/Marx-Train-Guide-2002-Electric-Handcars_W0QQugidZ10000000001236562 As we say in Chicago, "Vote early and vote often." Thanks, Mike

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40921	From: Rick Evans	Date: 6/25/2006
Subject: "S" vehicles

Wal-Mart is where I used to find the mostJohnny Lightning's. K-Mart has been stocking a few. Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40922	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 6/25/2006
Subject: Re: Autocad - S-Scale Track

ROY....... I have played with "S" in Datacad........ If I find it I will send you a DWG File...... Bob Conner ----- Original Message ----- From: Roy Inman To: Paul Yorke ; slist Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2006 12:33 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Autocad - S-Scale Track RailModeller 2.2.4 program has AM and SHS track drawings. From: Paul Yorke <s_trains@...> Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 10:47:33 -0400 To: slist <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Subject: [S-Trains] Autocad - S-Scale Track In the past I created Flyer & S-Helper track drawings in Autocad. That made it possible to build layouts in Autocad or IntelliCAD. Those drawings were on one of my drives that went south recently. (I am looking for a data recovery expert.) I was wondering if anyone on the list had Autocad compatible track sections to share? Mine or yours. I suspect they will be usable in SketchUp. http://sketchup.google.com/ Paul Yorke [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40923	From: Roy Inman	Date: 6/25/2006
Subject: Re: Target and JL S vehicles

I have had the same experience. Either there are collectors lurking outside the store(s) , watching for JL deliveries, read to pounce, or else our local stores don't stock as aggressively as others. Roy Inman From: jt12313 <jt12313@...> Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 12:26:14 -0500 To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Subject: [S-Trains] Target and JL S vehicles On a "for what it's worth" note my local Target stores (Lincoln, NE) have not had a Johnny Lightning restock since the end of the holiday shopping season. I keep seeing the same forlorn 1930s Hispano phaeton (sp) on our weekly Target runs. I hope to see some JL Studebaker Avantis soon too. Jeff T. PS: we also stop at Des Moines area Targets and they have been lacking in new JL product too. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40924	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 6/25/2006
Subject: Re: South Jersey S Gaugers Store

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Paul4Schil@... wrote: > > Bill, excellent idea. Best wishes to everyone associated with it. Look > forward to pics for sharing on the Internet and in some of the S gauge > publication. > > Paul S. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40925	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 6/25/2006
Subject: Re: South Jersey S Gaugers Store

Paul, They'll be a mention of it and hopefully some pictures in the August Model Railroad News S-Curves column. I attended the SJSG June meeting and got to see everything first hand. This is a prime example of the grass roots promotion of S that the clubs perform and I hope to concentrate on that in future columns. I add my congratulations to the SJSG club. Roy --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Paul4Schil@... wrote: > > Bill, excellent idea. Best wishes to everyone associated with it. Look > forward to pics for sharing on the Internet and in some of the S gauge > publication. > > Paul S. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40926	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 6/25/2006
Subject: Sunday Chat, 6/25/2006, 8:00 pm

Reminder from the Calendar of S-Trains Sunday Chat Sunday June 25, 2006 8:00 pm - 11:00 pm This event repeats every week. Event Location: http://s-scale.org/forum/ Street: http://s-scale.org/forum/ Notes: http://s-scale.org/forum/ ADVERTISEMENT         Yes No   Yes No     Yes No     Copyright ©  2006  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved. Privacy Policy - Terms of Service

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40927	From: Dan Greenberg	Date: 6/25/2006
Subject: loco rehab

I've been shopping and I've now got a few fixer-uppers to fix up. I was hoping some folks on this list could offer some tips. Please reply off-list as I'm sure the answers are not going to interest most folks. 1) I have an AF Casey Jones. It was so cheap, I got it for my 3- year old. (Technically, ALL of the trains are his, but I get to play with them until he figures it out!) It seems to run well, but it has such low traction that a train with three cars leaves the drive wheels spinning in place. Any hints on increasing the traction other than simply adding some lead in the cab? 2) I got an AF Baldwin ("Route of the 400") out of an estate sale. This is my very first diesel and I got it mainly so I could show my son the difference between a diesel and a steamer. It has three problems. 2a) The rear coupler (knuckle) is broken. Any tips on how best to get the broken coupler off and get a new one on? It looks like there's a pin but I can't see how to get it out without breaking the truck. 2b) It seems to only run forward. The reverse unit seems to be working OK, so I surmise it's a broken wire or winding in the motor. Hints on how to test this? I don't really care if it can't be fixed -- it's really just to show my son what a diesel looks like. 2c) Most importantly, due to 2b, a former owner took the loco apart. The two screws that hold the motor to the (drive) truck are missing. What screws (length, head type, thread pitch) would work best as replacements? Or were these nuts and bolts? (As I said, this is my first diesel.) Got a pair you want to sell? These will get me started. Thanks in advance! Cheers, :-Dan Loco in Lexington (MA)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40928	From: Dan Greenberg	Date: 6/25/2006
Subject: Detection systems

So I've been thinking about some nice controllers I could build if I had some good detection. There's classic (#697 track trip, reed switches), current sensing (I've been looking at Dallee's catalog), infrared, and optical. I searched the archive here, but I did not see a good breakdown of pros and cons for each. Thoughts? In addition, I wonder if anyone has built an inductive sensor... like the ones your local traffic light uses to tell when your engine block is sitting over the sensor while you wait for a left-turn arrow. Anyone ever heard of this in our application? Thanks! :-Dan

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40929	From: Bill Porter	Date: 6/26/2006
Subject: Re: Detection systems

Hi Dan, Good Luck with your detection and signaling project. It will add loads of fun to your hobby. Sensing trains falls naturally into two classifications. We could call them point and zone. Point detectors tell us if a train is in a single position. It is handy for reporting that a train has backed up to the end of a siding, for instance. Zone detectors tell us that a train is somewhere in a block of track. That is handy for signaling or for shutting a following track section down. Do you need to know exactly where a train is located? Use a point detector. Do you need to know which block a track is currently occupying? - A zone is the way to go. Next comes the technology. The following site has been helpful to me in the past: http://www.awrr.com/awrrhome.html This guy has an interest in many aspects of electronic applications to model railroads. Although many of his solutions are intended for DCC systems, they will work for AC powered trains as well. I have used a design for optical, point detection for quite a few years. It is handy for locating trains in hidden places. The outputs can be used to control relays which can control just about anything. I wrote an article for the Sunshine Region (NMRA) Journal Box a few years ago. I'll see if I can dig it out if there is any interest. It uses a 339 Quad Comparator as the main electronic element and optical sensors (visible or infrared). Good Luck, Bill Reply from Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dan Greenberg Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2006 9:19 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Detection systems So I've been thinking about some nice controllers I could build if I had some good detection. There's classic (#697 track trip, reed switches), current sensing (I've been looking at Dallee's catalog), infrared, and optical. I searched the archive here, but I did not see a good breakdown of pros and cons for each. Thoughts? In addition, I wonder if anyone has built an inductive sensor... like the ones your local traffic light uses to tell when your engine block is sitting over the sensor while you wait for a left-turn arrow. Anyone ever heard of this in our application? Thanks! :-Dan _,___ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40930	From: clifma19@cox.net	Date: 6/26/2006
Subject: information

I have a trip to Colorado Springs this week. Any recommendations for hobby shops or things to see while we are there. Clifford Manning Topeka. KS

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40931	From: Mark Preman	Date: 6/26/2006
Subject: FLYONEL Collector Car Bargains - 50% off Book

Dear S-Trains Members, I am processing one of the strangest collections I have ever purchased. The deceased gentleman was, for sure, an operator. He did not, however, have a fondness for collectors. He would purchase the TTOS, NASG, and TCA collector cars and do one or all of the following to each; 1) Change the trucks - all FLYONEL - can't imagine why. 2) Alter (quite professionally) in some tiny fashion, the factory graphics. Some are very tough to see. Additionally, most have some shelf dust and light oxidation on truck frames, door guides, and/or frames as this gentleman lived near salt water. In many cases, I have already swapped out rusty axels. Here is a chance for you operators to pick up some of the really beautiful boxed collector cars at half price and, they are ready to go on the layout! E-mail me at americanflyertrains@... and I will forward the list. Mark Mark B. Preman AmericanFlyerTrains.com --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40932	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 6/26/2006
Subject: Re: Family Dollar - Train DVD SP< UP>NP

I wish I had 100 of these, gentlemen they are all gone, visit your local Family Dollar they keep getting them, in, the local 2 stores will let me know when they get more in. If you want to be on a waiting list, send me your name. Jerry Matsick

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40933	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 6/26/2006
Subject: Re: American Flyer "Junk"

In a message dated 6/23/2006 10:19:40 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, gartrain@... writes: Well, I did not have a Circus Engine to pull my collection of circus cars so I repainted the shell circus engine red and numbered it 353 Way to go, Glenn, I would have also. Jim Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40934	From: Robert Graves	Date: 6/26/2006
Subject: Re: Detection systems

I will be interested to follow this thread of discussion as I have similar interests. Look at the following "lessons learned" page from my website. http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/semaphores.html You need to scroll down a bit to get to the section that talks about track trips and the logic surrounding it all. While the technology used to address the issues is not impressive, I've heard from a number of people that found the discussion of the issues involved and the logic needed to address them to be helpful. Bob Bill Porter <wpporter@...> wrote: Hi Dan, Good Luck with your detection and signaling project. It will add loads of fun to your hobby. Sensing trains falls naturally into two classifications. We could call them point and zone. Point detectors tell us if a train is in a single position. It is handy for reporting that a train has backed up to the end of a siding, for instance. Zone detectors tell us that a train is somewhere in a block of track. That is handy for signaling or for shutting a following track section down. Do you need to know exactly where a train is located? Use a point detector. Do you need to know which block a track is currently occupying? - A zone is the way to go. Next comes the technology. The following site has been helpful to me in the past: http://www.awrr.com/awrrhome.html This guy has an interest in many aspects of electronic applications to model railroads. Although many of his solutions are intended for DCC systems, they will work for AC powered trains as well. I have used a design for optical, point detection for quite a few years. It is handy for locating trains in hidden places. The outputs can be used to control relays which can control just about anything. I wrote an article for the Sunshine Region (NMRA) Journal Box a few years ago. I'll see if I can dig it out if there is any interest. It uses a 339 Quad Comparator as the main electronic element and optical sensors (visible or infrared). Good Luck, Bill Reply from Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dan Greenberg Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2006 9:19 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Detection systems So I've been thinking about some nice controllers I could build if I had some good detection. There's classic (#697 track trip, reed switches), current sensing (I've been looking at Dallee's catalog), infrared, and optical. I searched the archive here, but I did not see a good breakdown of pros and cons for each. Thoughts? In addition, I wonder if anyone has built an inductive sensor... like the ones your local traffic light uses to tell when your engine block is sitting over the sensor while you wait for a left-turn arrow. Anyone ever heard of this in our application? Thanks! :-Dan _,___ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --------------------------------- How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger’s low PC-to-Phone call rates. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40935	From: David Engle	Date: 6/26/2006
Subject: Re: American Flyer "Junk"

OK, how about an S Gauge Herald One Evening Project of December 1963--a 2-unit articulated coach made from two 663s? It's over here in one of the boxes somewhere. ----- Original Message ----- From: <WJJIM@...> To: <gartrain@...>; <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, June 26, 2006 2:02 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] American Flyer "Junk"

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40936	From: Scott Holm	Date: 6/26/2006
Subject: Re: American Flyer "Junk"

I had three 356 silver bullets and combined the worst looking tender and shell to repaint to make a circus engine. Instead of numbering it 353, I want to number it a 356 in yellow numbers. I guess I'll have to make my own numbers, because they don't make those. One of my silver bullets, that is staying a silver bullet, was able to pull 40 cars around the layout. WJJIM@... wrote: In a message dated 6/23/2006 10:19:40 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, gartrain@... writes: Well, I did not have a Circus Engine to pull my collection of circus cars so I repainted the shell circus engine red and numbered it 353 Way to go, Glenn, I would have also. Jim Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --------------------------------- Sneak preview the all-new Yahoo.com. It's not radically different. Just radically better. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40937	From: plasticvilleking	Date: 6/26/2006
Subject: New to the group

Hello, I just wanted to say that I'm new here. I'm working on a Plasticville/American Flyer layout in one room, and a scale/hi-rail layout in the other. This way I can have the best of both worlds. I been collecting Plasticville and S-gauge trains for the last 15 years, and now I want to start enjoying them. If anyone would like to know further on what I'm doing, please feel free to email me. I would like to make new friends out there, and hopefuly find new ideas and tips that I could apply to my layout.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40938	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 6/26/2006
Subject: * *Fall S Fest 2006 in Chicago ** * Nov. 3-5, 2006 * , 6/27/2006,

Reminder from the Calendar of S-Trains * *Fall S Fest 2006 in Chicago ** * Nov. 3-5, 2006 * Tuesday June 27, 2006 All Day This event repeats every week, until Tuesday November 7, 2006. Event Location: Tinley Park Convention Center * I-80 at Harlem Ave. * Illinois Street: Holiday Inn Select * Tinley Park City, State, Zip: Adjacent to Convention Center Phone: (708) 444-1100 Notes: * Celebrating 100 Years of American Flyer * One of the nation's largest annual S gauge conventions. Over 22,000 SF of Trading Room, Layouts, Exhibits, Clinics, etc. Sponsored by Chicagoland Association of S Gaugers. More info at: http://www.trainweb.org/casg/sfest.html ALL RAILS MEET IN CHICAGO! ADVERTISEMENT         Yes No   Yes No     Yes No     Copyright ©  2006  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved. Privacy Policy - Terms of Service

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40939	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 6/26/2006
Subject: Re: American Flyer "Junk"

Hi Scott, Sounds like a cool project, good luck on it! Don't forget that there is pressure sensitive lettering available that will fill the bill for numbering your locomotive. Jerry Poniatowski Registrar, 2006 NAS Convention Pontiac, MI

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40940	From: Pat Turner	Date: 6/26/2006
Subject: 2007 1:64 Scale Calendar - Last Call!

Last Call! I have enough photos to do the calendar, but only 3 people have sent them all in. You currently have 3 days left to get photos in. I mostly have Sn3 photos at this time.... Any Sn2 out there, S standard gauge, Trolleys, etc.... Pat Turner, Contest Editor 1:64 Modeling Guide http://www.TurnerModelWorks.com TurnerModelWorks@... Hi again, as most of you know the 1:64 Modeling Guide, www.Sn3.org and Turner Model Works have put out a S Scale Calendar for several years now. The info on it has been in the 1:64 Modeling Guide already this year, but the deadline is getting near. Midnight June 30th is the deadline to submit photos for the Calendar Contest. Right now, if you get one to us you could win! If you were thinking about sending in a photo, please do so by the above date. If you are going to work on something, you have two weeks! I can promise you we will get Sn3 photos! We typically do not get many S Scale Standard Gauge photos, Sn31/2 or Sn?. I know there are some great S Standard gauge layouts out there. I have seen many myself! Come on guys/gals send in some photos of those great layouts hiding in the basement, garage, spare room, etc.... Don't let the Sn3 guys take all the glory. You can send photos to: CandSn3 @ MindSpring.com (take out the spaces) or go to the http://www.modelingguide.com web site and scroll to the bottom for the Contact Us info, then click on the Contest Editor link to send me a photo. The bigger the better, 1200 x 1600 min. and 300dpi min. in a horizontal format. The photos need to be Color with full Scenery and have trains in them. Only 1:64 Scale model photos are used in the Calendar. We accept Color Prints, Color Negatives and Digital Photos (preferred). We cannot accept slides, sorry. Remember, if we use your photo you get a FREE Calendar and there are other great prizes also! Turner Model Works http://www.turnermodelworks.com will be providing a large prize. Pat Turner, Contest Editor 1:64 Modeling Guide http://www.TurnerModelWorks.com TurnerModelWorks@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40941	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 6/27/2006
Subject: NEW EMAIL ADDRESS

My new email address is gartrain404@... There was already a gartrain so my birthday is April 4th thus 404. This is the week that we move to Honey Brook, PA. Lin is taking a few pieces of furniture each day so by Saturday the bed, our cat (Rascal) and my office will be in Honey Brook. Our settlement was June 13, 2006. Note the beautiful interior. http://kulpritterpics.homestead.com/KNOBHILLPROGRESS2.html You may visit my model railroad. It will be rebuilt at our new home: http://www.ramshillfarm.com/GlennRitter/Family/ModelRR/Belfry.html Staying on NASG track, Glenn http://www.glennritterarchitect.com/ http://www.jesusiscoming.com ><///> ><///> ><///> ><///> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40942	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 6/27/2006
Subject: Re: American Flyer "Junk"

Hi David and All, I have seen a lot of well meaning scale operators kit bash AF into more scale engines and cars. The wheel flanges need to operate on code 100 rails and the ladders and brakes need to be detailed thus there are 100s perhaps 1000s of good AF no longer in hi-rail or resale condition. Just look under the tables at a swap meet or convention. Glenn..riding the Reading to Honey Brook. ----- Original Message ----- From: David Engle To: WJJIM@... ; gartrain@... ; s-trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 26, 2006 4:46 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] American Flyer "Junk" OK, how about an S Gauge Herald One Evening Project of December 1963--a 2-unit articulated coach made from two 663s? It's over here in one of the boxes somewhere. ----- Original Message ----- From: <WJJIM@...> To: <gartrain@...>; <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, June 26, 2006 2:02 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] American Flyer "Junk" [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40943	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 6/27/2006
Subject: S gaugian July/August Magazine

Under S Brief: Lionel says it will bring out the Kline S Gauge cars and engines that KLine ad announced prior to being absorbed by Lionel. I guess that means Lionel will now release American Flyer S Gauge and K Line S Gauge trains!!! Both will be S Gauge, but scale will be different? Jerry Matsick Jacksonville

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40944	From: David Engle	Date: 6/27/2006
Subject: Re: American Flyer "Junk"

Does anyone around here remember John Meyers, a gentleman in the Minn-St. Paul area, IIRC, who created unbelievable combinations of AF steam loco parts, shells, etc., to get such things as a full 2-8-8-4 that could negotiate AF curves?? One of his best looking ones was a little smaller, a PRR K-5 stretched one driver. I hope there are some photos still floating around of some of them. While you are at it, you may as well watch the prototype scene. Two Chinese-built steam locomotives have been landed in port of Houston, and as of yesterday were on flatcars headed north, destination understood to be Iowa. These things are strange also--just like the other two now in the US, they have drivers about 2/3rds the size of what an American engine would have had, kind of like a football player fully suited up but wearing ballet shoes. DJE ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Poniatowski" <poniaj@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, June 26, 2006 10:42 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: American Flyer "Junk" > Hi Scott, > > Sounds like a cool project, good luck on it! Don't forget that there > is pressure sensitive lettering available that will fill the bill for > numbering your locomotive. > > Jerry Poniatowski > Registrar, 2006 NAS Convention > Pontiac, MI > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40945	From: Phil K	Date: 6/27/2006
Subject: Chinese steam locomotives

The two Chinese 2-10-2s arrived last night at 17:30 at the BNSF yard in Galesburg, Ill. New owner Iowa Interstate took possession late this morning. They will be taken to Rock Island, unloaded and steamed. Here are some photos of their arrival in the U.S.: http://www.pbase.com/copcarss/chinese_steam The reason the drivers are so "small" is that 2-10-2s were designed primarily for freight use -- meaning 10 drivers of this reduced size under a heavy locomotive gave better tractive effort to get long, heavy freights going smoothly. Just like the wheels of yard goats like American Flyer Docksiders and 0-8-0s. ;-) Scuttlebutt says they will be test-running them shortly on the head end of freight trains from the IAIS yard in Rock Island to Bureau Junction, Ill. Of course, I shall endeavor to be there with my camera. Big steam is back in Illinois! Woo! Woo! Phil K ************************************************************* > While you are at it, you may as well watch the prototype scene. Two > Chinese-built steam locomotives have been landed in port of Houston, and as > of yesterday were on flatcars headed north, destination understood to be > Iowa. These things are strange also--just like the other two now in the US, > they have drivers about 2/3rds the size of what an American engine would > have had, kind of like a football player fully suited up but wearing ballet > shoes. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40946	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 6/27/2006
Subject: Re: New to the group

Welcome aboard!! Where do you hail from?? Nothing fancy, but here is/was my PV/AF layout. http://www.rkuepper.com/trains/nycs1.html Dick Kuepper Aurora, OH -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of plasticvilleking Sent: Monday, June 26, 2006 7:10 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] New to the group Hello, I just wanted to say that I'm new here. I'm working on a Plasticville/American Flyer layout in one room, and a scale/hi-rail layout in the other. This way I can have the best of both worlds. I been collecting Plasticville and S-gauge trains for the last 15 years, and now I want to start enjoying them. If anyone would like to know further on what I'm doing, please feel free to email me. I would like to make new friends out there, and hopefuly find new ideas and tips that I could apply to my layout. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40947	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 6/27/2006
Subject: Re: Chinese steam locomotives

----- Original Message ----- From: Phil K The two Chinese 2-10-2s arrived last night . . . . . . . . . http://www.pbase.com/copcarss/chinese_steam > > > > > > > > --------Response----------- It's interesting to note that the engines are on heavy duty flat cars with two 2-axle trucks at each end. Jettie Padgett is selling S gauge flat cars of that configuration, but in scale only. I don't know if they could be converted to high-rail. Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40948	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 6/27/2006
Subject: Re: Buying, Selling or Trading

Being in O gauge for most of my life, I sold and obtained a number of good purchases at www.svctrains.com, a sight for O gaugers to buy, sell or trade, is there an S gauge sight similar to this, and would there be interest in a web sight like this. Jerry Matsick Jacksonville

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40949	From: plasticvilleking	Date: 6/27/2006
Subject: Thanks for the welcome!

Thanks to all for the welcome! Had a major set back for me. After two years of remodeling my basement, it get's flooded. All because of this rain we been getting here NEPA. The PV/AF layout started to float! Must get back on those pumps! Hank

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40950	From: gartrain404@comcast.net	Date: 6/27/2006
Subject: AMERICAN FLYER JUNK?

The latest S-Gaugian has a very nice article with pictures of a Virginian Allegheny kit bashed from 2 AF 312s. It is not junk but we have lost 2 great 312 engines from the collectors realm. Glenn....taking my AF 312 to Honey Brook. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40951	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 6/27/2006
Subject: Old AF, where did it go?

Hi David and All, I have seen a lot of well meaning scale operators kit bash AF into more scale engines and cars. The wheel flanges need to operate on code 100 rails and the ladders and brakes need to be detailed thus there are 100s perhaps 1000s of good AF no longer in hi-rail or resale condition. Just look under the tables at a swap meet or convention ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ How many AF trains just got tossed in the trash after the kids grew up? Many of the "converted to scale" items were done when AF had little or no market value. The owner "had fun". Flyer wheels would not run on his code 110 track so he fixed that. As has been said, they were his trains to enjoy in the way he wanted. With 20 : 20 hindsight, we fuss about it. I'm sure some MARX collectors don't like to see Marx on "S" or even on "L - 027" trucks, much less repainted or otherwise modified. Gilbert made toy trains, they were treated as toys. In 1972, nobody was thinking about a collector's market. Several companies sold repainted Gilbert bodies, many were on trucks that came from a destroyed common piece. We each enjoy our trains in different ways, and many of us are not into historic preservation. jfred --------------------------------- Want to be your own boss? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40952	From: WEG138@aol.com	Date: 6/28/2006
Subject: Fwd: Purchasing Product Question Lionel & K line Track

I asked - they answered - sort of. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40953	From: Phil K	Date: 6/28/2006
Subject: Re: Chinese steam locomotives

> It's interesting to note that the engines are on heavy duty flat cars with > two 2-axle trucks at each end. Jettie Padgett is selling S gauge flat cars > of that configuration, but in scale only. I don't know if they could be > converted to high-rail. > > Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan I believe it was the largest takeout order of Chinese in history. ;-) Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40954	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 6/28/2006
Subject: Re: Old AF, where did it go?

Back when there wasn't a lot of S 'scale' available, ACE produced all kinds of castings for converting AF to scale. You are correct in that a lot of Flyer cars ended up as scale. They were a great way to build up the rolling stock inventory. I also converted some of my AF to scale because of sentimental reasons. I was careful at the time to only convert my particular favorites i. e. the 947 NP reefer and not the more valuable cars. Even though I became a scaler, it was an important link to my AF memories. I still have several of the cars running around my layout. The key is that even though they are no longer pure ACG, I never intend to part with them so I guess it really doesn't matter how the trucks and couplers look. It's a tribute to ACG that the cars looked so good when converted and they helped fill a huge void at the time. But, it's also great to know that we don't have to do it any more. Roy --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, JFrederick Roberts <jfred436@...> wrote: > > Hi David and All, > > I have seen a lot of well meaning > scale operators kit bash AF into > more scale engines and cars. > The wheel flanges need to operate > on code 100 rails and the ladders > and brakes need to be detailed > thus there are 100s perhaps 1000s > of good AF no longer in hi-rail > or resale condition. Just look > under the tables at a swap meet > or convention > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40955	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 6/28/2006
Subject: Re: TMCC Installation

Is there a company/individual who does install TMCC into Flyer, Flyonel,American Model or S Helper engines. After all is said and done I have come to the conclusion that TMCC is the way to go, after operating multiple engines with TMCC and after reading what Carl Tuveson and Tom Robinson have written about Lionel TMCC, I believe it is the system to use. Jerry Matsick Jacksonville

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40956	From: WEG138@aol.com	Date: 6/28/2006
Subject: RE; Lionel & K-line Track

I asked Lionel if they were going to continue making K-line Tracks.They were noncommittal. The Lionel sites has some letters about K-line posted on it. They are waiting for the court cases to be finished. Bill G. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40957	From: Bill Clark	Date: 6/28/2006
Subject: SHS Customer Appreciation Sale

SHS had a special 50% off Customer Appreciation Sale at the SHS Open House last month. It was extremely well received, but folks who weren't able to attend missed the opportunity to participate in the sale. So Robin and Don decided to run a short series of 50% off Customer Appreciation Sales on the Internet. This first one will be just 2 days, ending June 30. This is for cars in stock only, so first come first served! We plan to run 4 or 5 of these with different items, one after the other, depending on how well they go. Here's the link: http://www.showcaseline.com/indexSale.html Thanks! Bill

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40958	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 6/28/2006
Subject: Bashing A F Trains

There was a time when flyer was inexpensive, so we didn't think much of altering something...... Atlantics and Pacifics were 5.00 and up......At one time I was going to bash 20 Atlantics into 10..... 4-4-4-2 Configuration engines....... 1 was done..... I also did a 4-6-6-2 from Pacifics....... and a 2-6-2 from an Atlantic and Pacific..... Never finished the oil tender for this one..... I had set aside a cut up plastic tender and was to add a portion of an oil tank car..... I never got around to cutting it up...... A nice Bakers Tanker shell..... Think I will restore it NOW...... I also have some cars which I repainted back in the early 50's........ and my Atlantic which I did to C & O as a kid......I also have a Royal Blue Heavyweight Pass set...... The 4 HW cars are 900 series..... the guy took brand new cars and painted them BLUE to match the engine..... did a nice job....I was inspired to repaint a set.... so I collected several shells, frames, etc..... but never did that project..... Might still.... After all.....it was fun then....And can be now as retirement nears.....These were toys....... But now only poor items or those that have been messed with before will get the saw...... Bob C [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40959	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 6/28/2006
Subject: Re;Old AF/Where did AF go?

And now my controversial two cents worth... Those of you who know me have long since learned I'll cut up stuff to kitbash what I want. But I will NOT chop up a really "collectable" piece. How collectable an AF item is seems to be determined by what price it will bring among collectors. So obviously I can't even afford to work over the expensive stuff if I wanted to. However, collectors are their own worst enemy as they keep running the prices up themselves. Having one of an item isn't good enough, they want two, three, five of the "good" pieces. Hey guys, how many is enough? And because the item is "hot" they just keep bidding up the price, sometimes despite the fact a piece isn't all that rare. $1,000.00 for a toy locomotive is just plain stupid! But don't get too excited, the "postwar" Lionel collectors did the same thing. They even allowed MPC Lionel to sell new "postwar" trains at a near collector price instead of a price which reflected the actual cost of manufacture, especially since they were using the same tooling they already had from the '50s! The "postwar" collectable market then went bust and their original stuff is worth alot less than they invested in it. Older collections in S are coming on the market in increasing numbers today due to the passing of their owners, a trend which I think will not only continue, but probably increase. More new S gauge, of much better quality, is coming into the market, so less old Flyer is being kitbashed. Therefore I don't see much use of beating up on the occassional reworked AF piece as there is plenty S gauge to go around today...unless you need ten 312 locos or are planning on buying and selling AF to get rich. Stumpy Stone...putting on my firesuit now!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40960	From: Rick	Date: 6/28/2006
Subject: New and need help

Hello all, A friend recently asked if I could help with an 18 B Transformer. It's wires have been cut. Is there a schematic or drawing of the wiring for this box? Many thanks in advance.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40961	From: Eric R.	Date: 6/28/2006
Subject: Re: TMCC Installation

I have had Larry at http://www.papastrains.com paint some AM and SHS trains for me and he has done a nice job. He also does DCC installs. I am sure you could inquire about TMCC. Standard disclaimer, I have no financial or other ties to this company. eric reis Kenmore, Wa. -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Matsick Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 1:35 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] re: TMCC Installation Is there a company/individual who does install TMCC into Flyer, Flyonel,American Model or S Helper engines. After all is said and done I have come to the conclusion that TMCC is the way to go, after operating multiple engines with TMCC and after reading what Carl Tuveson and Tom Robinson have written about Lionel TMCC, I believe it is the system to use. Jerry Matsick Jacksonville [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40962	From: Art Shifrin	Date: 6/29/2006
Subject: American Flyer Junk

Hi Gang, If you'd like to see some sow's ears turned into silk purses, then I invite you to view the "Gems From Junk" section of the trains half of my website. Particularly with respect to the Circus Set, look at the 806 spur O gauge 3/16s Northern. Years ago I decided to emulate the set in 3 rail and did so. Being that I too, 'suffer' from the disorder ferroequinoliosis, that predictably was insufficiently gratifying. So the Circus Set grew to 5 engines / tenders & 24 cars & includes car types not originally in the original S set: 490 whistling baggage 492 remote mail pickup 476 gondola 480 tankers (two) 480 boxcar (two) 634 searchlight 635 wrecker one Hudson (dark blue) Pacific (red engine, yellow smoking tender) There's a caboose for each e & t: 516 (diecast) (2) for the Northern & Hudson 484 (tinplate) ( 3) for the Pacific & two bullets the first of these closely emulates the 353 in red, but with just a few added clown & animal decals the second, also a bullet has the more detailed early O (#556) shell (distinguished by all 4 window panes being milled out) is a medium purple, the tender's base is bright yellow some of the flat cars are original, non-repainted S ones whose trucks I simply swapped now that's J-U-N-K! Don't ask me about the source of the non-AF decals. I've love to be able to provide specific information. But I can only remember that perhaps 10 or more years ago, I'd been referred to a then retired couple who were members of a Circus Historical society. They made and sold the decals. We connected as they were winding down their business due to the husband's health issues. So I bought slightly in excess of what I thought I'd initially need. Once I decided to enlarge the "set", I was able to buy just about enough to do what I accomplished. I really should photograph all of the items and add them the site.... All of you have a great fourth of July weekend and pause to think about all of the sacrifices (military and civilian) still on-going and of the past. Whatever your political opinions, just stop & contemplate about our history. In a case of excellent timing, I've just finished Walter Issacson's SUPERB biography of Benjamin Franklin. There's even a tenuous train connection. Included in his tour of Ireland and Scotland (Summer, 1771) was a stop "at the Carron irons works, where James Watt was developing the steam engine, so that he could continue his study of industrialization" (pg 260). Also from Watt, circa 1785 - 1790 he "imported and made some improvements on, the first rudimentary copying machine. Documents would be written with a slow-drying ink made of gum arabic and then pressed on sheets of moist tissue paper to make copies for as long as the ink was still wet, usually a full day....(Franklin) liked it so much that he ordered another that he gave to (Thomas) Jefferson". (pg 441). My nephew Captain Matt Shifrin (Army) by his request is about to depart for his third tour in Iraq, so all of we Shifrins are keenly thoughtful about this coming Independence Day weekend. BTW my layout sports a suitably (for the height of the pole) scaled 48 star flag. The pole's a tinplate Chicago Flyer piece that I refinished. It's 80 or 60 feet scale feet high in my combined 1:64 & 1:48 three rail world. Best, Shiffy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40963	From: John Foley	Date: 6/29/2006
Subject: Pine Canyon

Hi Folks I purchased one of Pine Canyon's built up boiler house's that they offer on ebay. http://toys.listings.ebay.com/S-Scale_Other-Manufacturers_W0QQfclZ3QQfcoZ1QQsacatZ16509QQsocmdZListingItemList Well I received it today. It is a very well done structure and will look great on my under construction layout. Thanks Keith. John Foley [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40964	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 6/29/2006
Subject: Michigan Star Clipper Train has new owner

I was asked by one of the people planning to attend the national S gauge convention in Pontiac, 2-6 August, if there is a dinner train anywhere in the vicinity. The Michigan Star Clipper would fill the bill there. We have so much planned for the convention that we decided not to make this one of the official attractions for the attendees, but there will be a discount ticket available to all the registrants. Here's an article about a recent change of ownership. http://hometownlife.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060629/BUSINESS/606290772/1080/NEWS13 And here's the basic website. http://www.michiganstarclipper.com/ Tom Hawley -- Lansing Mich

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40965	From: dieseldave72	Date: 6/29/2006
Subject: Wanted 364 Santa Fe B Unit

Well kids, I missed one last week and the group member listed it on the bay in pieces. That's what I get for not checking email daily. ;-) So, I'm still looking for a satin-painted Santa Fe 364B. It doesnt have to be perfect, good condition will do. Fixer uppers o.k. Thanks Diesel Dave

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40966	From: Phil K	Date: 6/29/2006
Subject: Chinese steam arrives in Illinois

From an enterprising souls at Railpictures.net: http://64.246.11.82/images/images2/i/iais711w_silvis.jpg.59855.jpg

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40967	From: trzp1800	Date: 6/29/2006
Subject: Re: New and need help

Hi: There is a very nice diagram of this in teh K-Line black book, "Complete Service Manual for American Flyer Trains". Page 348. Regard'S', Ted

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40968	From: Phil K	Date: 6/29/2006
Subject: Video of Lone Star Flyer layout

Brady Burdge has posted video of the Lone Star TCA Division American Flyer operating layout shot at the recent TCA National Convention in San Antonio. He says "Includes Lone Star Flyer's terrific layout (I'm told only 60% of it was at the show) and an operating Erector set bascule bridge." Runs over three minutes [3:18]. Have at it. (NOTE: It is a wmv. file) http://www.lionellines.com/files/videos/Lone_Star_Flyer.wmv Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40969	From: Robert Graves	Date: 6/30/2006
Subject: My latest floorrunner layout is in the gallery

I just added my latest - check them all out! http://s-scale.org/albums/v/friends/theupstairstrain/Track_Plans/?g2_navId=x6bc87c27 This one was a lot of fun! --------------------------------- Sneak preview the all-new Yahoo.com. It's not radically different. Just radically better. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40970	From: beebear	Date: 6/30/2006
Subject: York

Hi All Is there anyone on here from the York, PA area? We are thinking of visiting over there in 2 weeks and would like to know if there is still flooding in and around the York area. We will be doing factory tours and if anyone knows of a S layout we could visit that would be good too. Thanks John [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40971	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 6/30/2006
Subject: Re: York

Water is down, peaceful in town (relatively). Jim Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40972	From: John Foley	Date: 6/30/2006
Subject: NMRA Convention in Philly

Hi Folks Just a reminder that the NASG and The Potomac Valley S Gaugers With their layout will be setup at the NMRA's convention during their National Train Show from July 7th thru July 9th. Thursday-Sunday. So If you are planning on attending stop buy and give us a break and run some trains and help promote S model Railroading. Here is the show website with all the info you may need http://www.nationaltrainshow.org/ John Foley NAsg Promotions [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40973	From: Rick Evans	Date: 6/30/2006
Subject: Re: floorrunner layout is in the gallery

Neat photos!! Thanks for sharing. Guess I need more then one crossover to attempt this!! Who is this BIG kid on the floor?? http://s-scale.org/albums/v/friends/theupstairstrain/Track_Plans/Floor+Runner+1+and+me.jpg.html?g2_navId=x6bc87c27&g2_GALLERYSID=404daef1fd1ce13f109a6a44702ae93e Rick. I just added my latest - check them all out! http://s-scale.org/albums/v/friends/theupstairstrain/Track_Plans/?g2_navId=x6bc87c27 This one was a lot of fun! --------------------------------- Sneak preview the all-new Yahoo.com. It's not radically different. Just radically better. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40974	From: plasticvilleking	Date: 6/30/2006
Subject: Crossing track

This question is for a friend of mine. He's looking to make a AF floor layout. He would like soem crossing other then the standard 90 degree AF crossing. What options does he have? Thanks!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40975	From: Bill Clark	Date: 6/30/2006
Subject: SHS Second 2-day Customer Appreciation Sale

I've just posted the second in a short series of 50% off Customer Appreciation Sales on the Internet. This one will be just 2 days, ending July 2. This is for cars in stock only, so first come first served! We plan to run 4 or 5 of these with different items, one after the other, depending on how well they go. Here's the link: http://www.showcaseline.com/indexSale.html Thanks! Bill

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40976	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 7/1/2006
Subject: Fwd: More Rail burns ALA Slipping Drivers

In a message dated 6/20/2006 10:38:31 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, Charliehoran writes: Subject: Some Engines never quit A friend sent a few photos with very little explanation. I have no idea where this happened. The "story" we have is that there were 3 locomotives coupled together. For some reason, the train stopped and was 'parked' for FOUR hours! They "tied down" (their expression - not mine) the first locomotive, but for some reason #2 and #3 locomotive were still 'in gear'. There are 3 photos of the rail damage on the following website, beginning with: _http://www.pbase.com/captain_carl/image/61909304_ (http://www.pbase.com/captain_carl/image/61909304) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40977	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 7/1/2006
Subject: WHAT HAS LIONEL PUT OUT

J ust got a shipping notice..... What has Lionel released? Bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40978	From: Robert Graves	Date: 7/1/2006
Subject: Re: My latest floorrunner layout is in the gallery

Just one, believe it or not! I'm using my good old reliable No. 2 75 Watt transformer from 1948, the one that came with the first set I got. (The #22004 40 Watt transformer didn't cut it.) Cleaning the track and pins beforehand helps a lot. Rick Evans <bAssflyer@...> wrote: How many power track terminals did ya have to use? I don't see many. Rick. I just added my latest - check them all out! http://s-scale.org/albums/v/friends/theupstairstrain/Track_Plans/?g2_navId=x6bc87c27 This one was a lot of fun! --------------------------------- Sneak preview the all-new Yahoo.com. It's not radically different. Just radically better. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] #ygrp-mlmsg { FONT-SIZE: small; FONT-FAMILY: arial,helvetica,clean,sans-serif } #ygrp-mlmsg TABLE { } #ygrp-mlmsg SELECT { FONT: 99% arial,helvetica,clean,sans-serif } INPUT { FONT: 99% arial,helvetica,clean,sans-serif } TEXTAREA { FONT: 99% arial,helvetica,clean,sans-serif } #ygrp-mlmsg PRE { FONT: 100% monospace } CODE { FONT: 100% monospace } #ygrp-mlmsg { LINE-HEIGHT: 1.22em } #ygrp-text { FONT-FAMILY: Georgia } #ygrp-text P { MARGIN: 0px 0px 1em } #ygrp-tpmsgs { CLEAR: both; FONT-FAMILY: Arial } #ygrp-vitnav { FONT-SIZE: 77%; MARGIN: 0px; PADDING-TOP: 10px; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana } #ygrp-vitnav A { PADDING-RIGHT: 1px; PADDING-LEFT: 1px; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; PADDING-TOP: 0px } #ygrp-actbar { CLEAR: both; MARGIN: 25px 0px; COLOR: #666; WHITE-SPACE: nowrap; TEXT-ALIGN: right } #ygrp-actbar .left { FLOAT: left; WHITE-SPACE: nowrap } .bld { FONT-WEIGHT: bold } #ygrp-grft { PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 77%; PADDING-BOTTOM: 15px; PADDING-TOP: 15px; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana } #ygrp-ft { PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #666 1px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 77%; PADDING-BOTTOM: 5px; PADDING-TOP: 5px; FONT-FAMILY: verdana } #ygrp-mlmsg #logo { PADDING-BOTTOM: 10px } #ygrp-vital { PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 8px; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 20px; PADDING-BOTTOM: 8px; PADDING-TOP: 2px; BACKGROUND-COLOR: #e0ecee } #ygrp-vital #vithd { FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 77%; TEXT-TRANSFORM: uppercase; COLOR: #333; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana } #ygrp-vital UL { PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN: 2px 0px; PADDING-TOP: 0px } #ygrp-vital UL LI { CLEAR: both; BORDER-RIGHT: #e0ecee 1px solid; BORDER-TOP: #e0ecee 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #e0ecee 1px solid; BORDER-BOTTOM: #e0ecee 1px solid; LIST-STYLE-TYPE: none } #ygrp-vital UL LI .ct { PADDING-RIGHT: 0.5em; FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FLOAT: right; WIDTH: 2em; COLOR: #ff7900; TEXT-ALIGN: right } #ygrp-vital UL LI .cat { FONT-WEIGHT: bold } #ygrp-vital A { TEXT-DECORATION: none } #ygrp-vital A:hover { TEXT-DECORATION: underline } #ygrp-sponsor #hd { FONT-SIZE: 77%; COLOR: #999 } #ygrp-sponsor #ov { PADDING-RIGHT: 13px; PADDING-LEFT: 13px; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 20px; PADDING-BOTTOM: 6px; PADDING-TOP: 6px; BACKGROUND-COLOR: #e0ecee } #ygrp-sponsor #ov UL { PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 8px; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN: 0px; PADDING-TOP: 0px } #ygrp-sponsor #ov LI { PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 77%; PADDING-BOTTOM: 6px; PADDING-TOP: 6px; LIST-STYLE-TYPE: square } #ygrp-sponsor #ov LI A { FONT-SIZE: 130%; TEXT-DECORATION: none } #ygrp-sponsor #nc { PADDING-RIGHT: 8px; PADDING-LEFT: 8px; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 20px; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; PADDING-TOP: 0px; BACKGROUND-COLOR: #eee } #ygrp-sponsor .ad { PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-BOTTOM: 8px; PADDING-TOP: 8px } #ygrp-sponsor .ad #hd1 { FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 100%; COLOR: #628c2a; LINE-HEIGHT: 122%; FONT-FAMILY: Arial } #ygrp-sponsor .ad A { TEXT-DECORATION: none } #ygrp-sponsor .ad A:hover { TEXT-DECORATION: underline } #ygrp-sponsor .ad P { MARGIN: 0px } o { FONT-SIZE: 0px } .MsoNormal { MARGIN: 0px } #ygrp-text TT { FONT-SIZE: 120% } BLOCKQUOTE { MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 4px } .replbq { } --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40979	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 7/1/2006
Subject: Fwd: Check out Madera Tribune--train wreck info

Did any of you read about this one? _Madera Tribune_ (http://www.maderatribune.com/news/newsview.asp?c=188095) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40980	From: Rick Evans	Date: 7/1/2006
Subject: Re: Fwd: Check out Madera Tribune--train wreck info

Whoops!! I had not heard of that. Just a few hours from me. Rick. - Did any of you read about this one? _Madera Tribune_ (http://www.maderatribune.com/news/newsview.asp?c=188095) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40981	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 7/1/2006
Subject: Sunday Chat, 7/2/2006, 8:00 pm

Reminder from the Calendar of S-Trains Sunday Chat Sunday July 2, 2006 8:00 pm - 11:00 pm This event repeats every week. The next reminder for this event will be sent in 22 hours, 48 minutes. Event Location: http://s-scale.org/forum/ Street: http://s-scale.org/forum/ Notes: http://s-scale.org/forum/ ADVERTISEMENT Copyright ©  2006  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved. Privacy Policy - Terms of Service

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40982	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 7/2/2006
Subject: Re: Crossing track

----- Original Message ----- From: plasticvilleking . . . . . . looking to make an AF floor layout., He would like some crossing other then the standard 90 degree AF crossing. > > > > > > > > American Models has two high-rail crossings, one of 30º / 150° and one of 75° / 105° . They're made of code 148 rail and so will not match AF track visually, but they will work. He'll have to shim them up with something, maybe a little corrugated cardboard. The best way to physically connect them to the AF track is to use a motor-tool with a cutoff disk and remove the web and base of the rail, leaving just the head. That heads will then slide into the AF track like AF track pins would. They can be seen at http://www.americanmodels.com/misc/track.html This shows four of each put together, but they're sold separately. Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40983	From: Bill Clark	Date: 7/2/2006
Subject: SHS Third 2-day Customer Appreciation Sale

I've just posted the third in a short series of 50% off Customer Appreciation Sales on the Internet. This one will be just 2 days, ending July 4, and features flat cars. This is for cars in stock only, so first come first served! We plan to run 4 or 5 of these with different items, one after the other, depending on how well they go. Here's the link: http://www.showcaseline.com/indexSale.html Thanks! Bill

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40984	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 7/3/2006
Subject: Re: [toytrains] Digest Number 4245

FOURTH OF JULY 'ROUND THE CLOCK WEEKEND BARBEQUE Wishing everyone a safe and happy FOURTH OF JULY, a simple reminder of those who gave so that we can still celebrate one of the greatest occasions in the world. As my birthday is close to the FOURTH, I decided to GIVE AWAY my "Birthday Train Set". Anyone in the vicinity of ROOT'S COUNTRY MARKET on July 4th (til 4 PM) can stop in to register to win. Nothing to buy, just say "HI". "OLD GLORY" will be flying proudly. Jim "spending the FOURTH in BLDG 9" Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40985	From: Robert Graves	Date: 7/3/2006
Subject: Re: Buying, Selling or Trading

I'd like to give it a try. Neither trainz.com nor toytrainstrading have worked well for me because they are so heavily loaded with other gauges. Jerry Matsick <jpmatsick@...> wrote: Being in O gauge for most of my life, I sold and obtained a number of good purchases at www.svctrains.com, a sight for O gaugers to buy, sell or trade, is there an S gauge sight similar to this, and would there be interest in a web sight like this. Jerry Matsick Jacksonville --------------------------------- Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs.Try it free. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40986	From: T Larson	Date: 7/3/2006
Subject: Covered Hopper (LO) Decals

A while back I commented on my spring trip to my alma mater, the P&PSSW, and that whilst there I spent quite a bit of time with Tom Lennon and Ken Zieska reviewing Tom's stock of decals to see what might be suitable for relettering SHS, AM, and PRS hoppers to obtain north-central roadnames that these manufacturers have not (yet) produced. Tom has now documented in more detail what he has available for these north-central railroads. He also has many other decals available. See list at http://www.s-scaletrains.com/milepost169/index.html Was there ever a pictorial listing of Enhorning decals? I expect that Tom would greatly appreciate having such a list, it would make it much easier for us and Tom to identify what we want from his stock. CN SH-275 is Canadien National 3 and 4-bay cylindrical hoppers. The PRS kit will make one style of these, and if the Canadian kit for the true cylindrical ever comes out, they'll work for it as well. Only 2 sets in stock. Burlington Northern SH-186 Black lettering for grey, 2-bay, cylindrical and PS hoppers. Just one set left. SH-274 White lettering for 70 and 100 ton covered hoppers like the airslides and cylindricals. 3 sets left. CB&Q SH-206 is for covered hoppers, painted tuscan red. The lettering is white, with a black and white herald, and "Every-Where West" in script. There is a photo on one of the websites for car 180070, a 2-bay with it's roof removed. The "Burlington Bulletin, No. 20" indicates that the same scheme was appliedto the first 30 3-bay PS2-CD's received. I have 3 sets left. [According to a member of the Steam Freight e-mail list "85000-85014 were delivered in box car red paint with RR Roman lettering and a stenciled herald. I don't know of any photos." - Ted] SH-209 contains the red lettering scheme, with a red/black/white rectangular herald. This scheme was offered by SHS on their 3-bay cars. I don't know if the AM car is correct, or if it has been offered. The decals, with appropriate red data sets, could be used for the 2 and 3-bay cylindricals. Either can be made from the Pacific Rail kit. I have just 2 sets left. Milwaukee Road Set SH-253 will work well on the PS2 from either SHS or AM. I have 4 complete sets, plus I have 10 sets of black roadnames that could be used to re-decorate a pre-printed car like the M&StL cars. The modeler would have to re-number it and would have to find an alternative reporting mark set for the "MILW". Could use black dry transfer letters easily. NP Looking at set SH-265 NP covered hoppers, it looks like they'll work for either 2 or 3-bay PS cars like the SHS version. I have 2 sets complete, and 7 sets without data suitable for re-lettering the M&StL cars. I found photos on the Fallen Flags and the Freight Cars site you sent me earlier. [There is also lettering in this set that looks correct for the AM covered hopper. - Ted] SOO LINE SH-200 that will give you a good start on the 3-bay PS series (75,000 number series?) 5 sets in stock. SH-249 for the freight car red 2-bay PS cars with white lettering. Just 2 sets available. SH-250 same as 249 but the grey car with black lettering. 4 sets. SH317Grey hopper with black lettering. Has the slanted parallelogram shaped SOO herald. 5 sets. Regards, Tom -- Ted Larson If a man is alone in a forest, is he still wrong?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40987	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 7/3/2006
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] Fwd: Check out Madera Tribune--train wreck info

To all concerned, It has been brought to my attention that the above subject matter which I've previously sent to you all is out of context. I most humbly apologize to Mr. Perry and anyone else here who agrees with him. Fred Jester In a message dated 7/1/2006 6:10:55 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, benperry1@... writes: Just Asking: Just what does this have to do with S-Trains???? There are forums that deal with this type of situations. Ben Perry HE LIT A MATCH TO CHECK GAS TANK THAT'S WHY THEY CALL HIM SKINLESS FRANK BURMA~SHAVE ____________________________________ From: fredstrainparts@... Sent: Saturday, July 1, 2006 3:03 AM To: WaldoOtten@... Cc: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Fwd: Check out Madera Tribune--train wreck info Did any of you read about this one? _Madera Tribune_ (_http://www.maderatrhttp://wwwhttp://www.madhttp://www.m_ (http://www.maderatribune.com/news/newsview.asp?c=188095) ) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40988	From: Roy Inman	Date: 7/3/2006
Subject: Re: Buying, Selling or Trading

Hey Robert and Jerry, that sounds like an excellent idea. Roy Inman From: Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2006 07:24:17 -0700 (PDT) To: s-trains list <s-trains@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] re: Buying, Selling or Trading I'd like to give it a try. Neither trainz.com nor toytrainstrading have worked well for me because they are so heavily loaded with other gauges. Jerry Matsick <jpmatsick@... <mailto:jpmatsick%40yahoo.com> > wrote: Being in O gauge for most of my life, I sold and obtained a number of good purchases at www.svctrains.com, a sight for O gaugers to buy, sell or trade, is there an S gauge sight similar to this, and would there be interest in a web sight like this. Jerry Matsick Jacksonville --------------------------------- Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs.Try it free. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40989	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 7/3/2006
Subject: Twilight Zone Flyer layout

The Sci-Fi channel is running a TZ marathon, and Sunday they ran the episode about the couple who wake up in a set town with mysterious child's laughter. It's an All Abord set up, the only trian visible is a streamliner observation, there appeared to be one coach ahead of it, and some sort of Jeep as the prime mover. Tth uprooted tree should have a peg on the bottom, not a timber x, right? -John Marganski --------------------------------- Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40990	From: mtoytrain@bellsouth.net	Date: 7/3/2006
Subject: Re: Buying, Selling or Trading

S gaugers I am sure there are items in your inventory that someone else is looking for. If you are interested in a S Gauge WEBSITE to buy, sell or trade items, let us know PLEASE NOTE This is not to take the place of our FINE S Gauge Manufacturers, S Gauge dealers, but there are alot of items out there that aren't available on the market anymore: Example: The beautiful American Models Sante Fe ABA PA1 set, or the new American Models Northerns, or Lionel Flyer, Gilbert Flyer and yes there are a number of items that aren't available thru S Helper service. Perhaps by us listing each of us will find that item we have been looking for! This works fine for O gaugers! take a look at: www.svctrains.com Let us know you thoughts!! Jerry Matsick Jax "S" Ville > > From: Roy Inman <rinphoto@...> > Date: 2006/07/03 Mon PM 06:27:56 EDT > To: Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...>, > s-trains list <s-trains@...> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] re: Buying, Selling or Trading > > Hey Robert and Jerry, that sounds like an excellent idea. > Roy Inman > > From: Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> > Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2006 07:24:17 -0700 (PDT) > To: s-trains list <s-trains@...> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] re: Buying, Selling or Trading > > > I'd like to give it a try. Neither trainz.com nor toytrainstrading have > worked well for me because they are so heavily loaded with other gauges. > > > Jerry Matsick <jpmatsick@... <mailto:jpmatsick%40yahoo.com> > wrote: > Being in O gauge for most of my life, I sold and obtained a number of > good purchases at www.svctrains.com, a sight for O gaugers to buy, > sell or trade, is there an S gauge sight similar to this, and would > there be interest in a web sight like this. > > Jerry Matsick > Jacksonville > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs.Try it free. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40991	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 7/3/2006
Subject: Re: Fwd: Check out Madera Tribune--train wreck info

Fred...... I took no OFFENSE to your post..... Thought it was cute........ Rember train wrecks few reason clear fireman never hugs the engineer burma shave This is a chat for "s" but a little leviety never hurts.... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: fredstrainparts@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 03, 2006 5:05 PM Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] Fwd: Check out Madera Tribune--train wreck info To all concerned, It has been brought to my attention that the above subject matter which I've previously sent to you all is out of context. I most humbly apologize to Mr. Perry and anyone else here who agrees with him. Fred Jester In a message dated 7/1/2006 6:10:55 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, benperry1@... writes: Just Asking: Just what does this have to do with S-Trains???? There are forums that deal with this type of situations. Ben Perry HE LIT A MATCH TO CHECK GAS TANK THAT'S WHY THEY CALL HIM SKINLESS FRANK BURMA~SHAVE ____________________________________ From: fredstrainparts@... Sent: Saturday, July 1, 2006 3:03 AM To: WaldoOtten@... Cc: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Fwd: Check out Madera Tribune--train wreck info Did any of you read about this one? _Madera Tribune_ (_http://www.maderatrhttp://wwwhttp://www.madhttp://www.m_ (http://www.maderatribune.com/news/newsview.asp?c=188095) ) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40992	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 7/3/2006
Subject: Re: Fwd: [S-Trains] Fwd: Check out Madera Tribune--train wreck info

Is there a Burma Shave forum?? dick -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of fredstrainparts@... Sent: Monday, July 03, 2006 5:05 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] Fwd: [S-Trains] Fwd: Check out Madera Tribune--train wreck info To all concerned, It has been brought to my attention that the above subject matter which I've previously sent to you all is out of context. I most humbly apologize to Mr. Perry and anyone else here who agrees with him. Fred Jester In a message dated 7/1/2006 6:10:55 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, benperry1@msn. <mailto:benperry1%40msn.com> com writes: Just Asking: Just what does this have to do with S-Trains???? There are forums that deal with this type of situations. Ben Perry HE LIT A MATCH TO CHECK GAS TANK THAT'S WHY THEY CALL HIM SKINLESS FRANK BURMA~SHAVE ____________________________________ From: fredstrainparts@ <mailto:fredstrainparts%40aol.com> aol.com Sent: Saturday, July 1, 2006 3:03 AM To: WaldoOtten@aol. <mailto:WaldoOtten%40aol.com> com Cc: S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com Subject: [S-Trains] Fwd: Check out Madera Tribune--train wreck info Did any of you read about this one? _Madera Tribune_ (_http://www.maderatr <http://www.maderatrhttp:/wwwhttp:/www.madhttp:/www.m_> http://wwwhttp://www.madhttp://www.m_ (http://www.maderatr <http://www.maderatribune.com/news/newsview.asp?c=188095> ibune.com/news/newsview.asp?c=188095) ) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40993	From: G C	Date: 7/3/2006
Subject: Re: Re;Old AF/Where did AF go?

Every month, MRR has a kitbash award. Now we know this is of course HO stuff! If Stumpy and others such as I (I'm not on Stumpy's level of talent and experience of course) wish to create some S scale / S gauge object not available on the market, then I say go right ahead. On many an occasion I read of the question how can we help S grow. Well we are not going to do it by putting handcuffs on folks how want to bash an AF Atlantic, K5, or a Hudson. Hey it isn't a new idea! As Stumpy said, He would not take a rare piece and modify it. As a newer member of the S brotherhood (possibly sisterhood as well) I read with great interest the exploits of such folks as Frank Titman or those like the late Ed Schumacher. Certainly if bashing an occasional AF car or loco worked for them, then it can work for others. In the latest S Gaugian, there are two wonderful examples of what can be done with "toy trains" to make them look at least more interesting than they were out of the box. In one case, the Lionel turbine, the final product approached the prototype, while in the other a nice freelanced model was created that was never available in the S Market. Just my two cents. Gene Cimino --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail Beta. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40994	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 7/3/2006
Subject: Re: New Yahoo Group - S Gauge, Sell, Buy or Swap

I have started a new Yahoo group for the sole purpose of listing S Gauge products to sell, purchase or swap, or to post a WISH list item. You will find this at: AvailableSgauge@yahoogroups.com It will be listed on group page as S Gauge, Sell, Buy or Swap. I hope all will use this TOOL to better their S Gauge collection. PS - this is in no way to take us away from "dedicated" manufacturers, dealers or fine hobby stores. It is for the purpose of finding items not longer available on the general market. Jerry Matsick Jax "S" Ville

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40995	From: Roy Inman	Date: 7/3/2006
Subject: Re: Fwd: Check out Madera Tribune--train wreck info

Try www.fiftiesweb.com/burma 1 Roy Inman From: Dick Kuepper <rkuepper@...> Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2006 20:33:38 -0400 To: fredstrainparts@..., S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: Fwd: [S-Trains] Fwd: Check out Madera Tribune--train wreck info Is there a Burma Shave forum?? dick -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of fredstrainparts@... <mailto:fredstrainparts%40aol.com> Sent: Monday, July 03, 2006 5:05 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] Fwd: [S-Trains] Fwd: Check out Madera Tribune--train wreck info To all concerned, It has been brought to my attention that the above subject matter which I've previously sent to you all is out of context. I most humbly apologize to Mr. Perry and anyone else here who agrees with him. Fred Jester In a message dated 7/1/2006 6:10:55 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, benperry1@msn. <mailto:benperry1%40msn.com> com writes: Just Asking: Just what does this have to do with S-Trains???? There are forums that deal with this type of situations. Ben Perry HE LIT A MATCH TO CHECK GAS TANK THAT'S WHY THEY CALL HIM SKINLESS FRANK BURMA~SHAVE ____________________________________ From: fredstrainparts@ <mailto:fredstrainparts%40aol.com> aol.com Sent: Saturday, July 1, 2006 3:03 AM To: WaldoOtten@aol. <mailto:WaldoOtten%40aol.com> com Cc: S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com Subject: [S-Trains] Fwd: Check out Madera Tribune--train wreck info Did any of you read about this one? _Madera Tribune_ (_http://www.maderatr <http://www.maderatrhttp:/wwwhttp:/www.madhttp:/www.m_> http://wwwhttp://www.madhttp://www.m_ (http://www.maderatr <http://www.maderatribune.com/news/newsview.asp?c=188095> ibune.com/news/newsview.asp?c=188095) ) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40996	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 7/4/2006
Subject: Re: Update on new Sell, Buy Trade Group

Please go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AvailableSgauge that should take you to new group. Jerry Matsick

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40997	From: Ed Eckert	Date: 7/4/2006
Subject: Winter All Aboard Panel Wanted

I'm looking for one (26264) left switch "snow panel" to complete a 12 panel Westerner type "Snow" set. If anyone has some they would like to part with or knows where I might find them please let me know. Prefer VG to EX condition but will consider all. Thanks!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40998	From: Gerald Dobbs	Date: 7/4/2006
Subject: New S cars

RMD TCA is offering two "S" cars for the 2007 TCA convention, available now. Lionel "S" Coors refrigerator car, only 1000 cars will be built in accordance with Coors brewery, cars are available to all, $64.95. Lionel "S" depressed center car with a block of Colorado Marble ( same marble as used throughout Washington D.C. including the tomb of the unknown solder ) lettered Yule Marble Co. $62.95 , TCA members only. WWW.rmdtoytrain.org

Group: S-Trains	Message: 40999	From: Phil K	Date: 7/4/2006
Subject: Re: Fwd: [S-Trains] Fwd: Check out Madera Tribune--train wreck info

Fred -- I'm one of those who does not agree with Mr. Ben Perry. I do not think your posting was out of context. Any posts that don't interest me I simply delete, rather than make them into an issue. One of the moderators deemed your post acceptable amd approved it, and that's good enough for me. Phil K ****************************************************************** --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, fredstrainparts@... wrote: > > > To all concerned, > > It has been brought to my attention that the above subject matter which I've > previously sent to you all is out of context. I most humbly apologize to > Mr. Perry and anyone else here who agrees with him. > > Fred Jester > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 7/1/2006 6:10:55 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > benperry1@... writes: > > Just Asking: > Just what does this have to do with S-Trains???? There are forums that deal > with this type of situations. > Ben Perry > > HE LIT A MATCH > > TO CHECK GAS TANK > > THAT'S WHY > > THEY CALL HIM > > SKINLESS FRANK > > BURMA~SHAVE > > > ____________________________________ > From: fredstrainparts@... > Sent: Saturday, July 1, 2006 3:03 AM > To: WaldoOtten@... > Cc: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] Fwd: Check out Madera Tribune--train wreck info > > > > > > > Did any of you read about this one? > > _Madera Tribune_ (_http://www.maderatrhttp://wwwhttp://www.madhttp://www.m_ > (http://www.maderatribune.com/news/newsview.asp?c=188095) ) > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41000	From: Robert Graves	Date: 7/4/2006
Subject: Progress at The Gilbert Gallery

This weekend I got the Alcos page online. That's the last of the pages - they're all there now! I just need to fill in the missing pictures. If you have a collection and want to contribute, check out the Pictures Needed page: http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/pictures_needed.html I also added the Lionel Flyer cabooses and reefers to the site. The Geeps and some of the Alcos and passenger cars were already there. I have a LOT of Lionel Flyer pictures ready to upload. Getting them online is the next project. Bob --------------------------------- Want to be your own boss? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41001	From: Bill Clark	Date: 7/5/2006
Subject: SHS Fourth 2-day Customer Appreciation Sale

I've just posted the fouth in a short series of (up to) 50% off Customer Appreciation Sales on the Internet. This one will be just 2 days, ending July 6, and features Ore Car 5 car sets. This is for cars in stock only, so first come first served! We plan to run 4 or 5 of these with different items, one after the other, depending on how well they go. Here's the link: http://www.showcaseline.com/indexSale.html Thanks! Bill [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41002	From: Robert Graves	Date: 7/5/2006
Subject: Al Minutoli and his website

I stumbled onto another informative site for American Flyer trains today: http://members.tripod.com/alminutoli/index.htm Does anyone know Al Minutoli? It says he's in Delray Beach, Florida. The email address given on the website has been disconnected. Better yet: Al - are you a member of the S-Trains group? --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41003	From: wnholcomb	Date: 7/5/2006
Subject: Gilbert HO Drum Loader Parts

I am looking for a conveyor assembly or the two conveyor rollers for a Gilbert 35759 Drum Loader. Anyone have any of these they could part with? Neil Holcomb Indianapolis

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41004	From: Robert Graves	Date: 7/5/2006
Subject: Re: Al Minutoli and his website

Thank you! Google found me Al Minutoli and I got a response from him this morning. He is alive and well. I will intoroduce him to S-Trains and AvailableSGauge. Bob mtoytrain@... wrote: Robert What a super S gauge website! Glad you posted it and "Al Minutoli" where ever you are thanks and let us hear from you. Jerry Matsick Jax "S" ville > > From: Robert Graves > Date: 2006/07/05 Wed AM 01:50:08 EDT > To: s-trains list > Subject: [S-Trains] Al Minutoli and his website > > I stumbled onto another informative site for American Flyer trains today: > > http://members.tripod.com/alminutoli/index.htm > > Does anyone know Al Minutoli? It says he's in Delray Beach, Florida. The email address given on the website has been disconnected. > > Better yet: Al - are you a member of the S-Trains group? > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > --------------------------------- Sneak preview the all-new Yahoo.com. It's not radically different. Just radically better. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41005	From: T Larson	Date: 7/5/2006
Subject: SFRD Reefers

A while back there was some discussion on th S scale list about modeling SFRD reefers using the AF reefer shell; http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/photos/view/62b8?b=51 (There is also an article on this in an olde S magazine along with photo and drawing of SFRD 11461.) See these photos for cars of 13'-4" height with fish-belly center sill http://www.geocities.com/oldlahistory/sfrd4206.jpg http://www.geocities.com/oldlahistory/sfrd33055.jpg http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=90282 SFRD 11194 class Rr48 http://freight.railfan.ca/atsf/sfrd11286.jpg There are also similar cars of 14'-1" height with straight sill. http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/rsPicture.aspx?id=13199 http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/rsPicture.aspx?id=27015 http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/rsPicture.aspx?id=104897 The 11461 in the olde S scale magazine article is also a 14'-1" high car. By my measurements, the height of the AF reefer is close to the 13'-4" height. I'm told that these are rebuilt from swing door cars in the 1950's, from several classes. I have scoured all my books, magazine articles, and on-line sources and have found no mention of them. I'm told that I need to get, Volume Two, Refrigerator Cars: Ice Bunker Cars 1884-1979 . by Keith Jordan, Richard H. Hendrickson, John B. Moore and A. Dean Hale which is available at http://www.atsfrr.com/store/book3.htm Does anybody have that? I'd prefer not to buy it just to get modeling information for 1 car. Can anybody provide info or suggest other on-line, book, or magazine references? Regarding decals, I have partial information regarding what is accurate for these cars. The photos above show one side of the cars. What was on the other side??? A curved line map was used in early 1940. In 1940 - 1947 ATSF used a straight line map. For 1947-1958 the map was replaced with the "Ship and Travel Santa Fe all the way" slogan. These would be correct for cars rebuilt in the 1950's. Microscale has an S scale set with the curved line map from early 1940. http://www.microscale.com/decals/S_scale/6412.jpg My Clover House catalog lists ALL styles, with several of them available in S. Tom Lennon has Enhorning decals for the third version, see below. The first ID (SR-012) is the Enhorning number. Numbers at the end are for reference; (BRH-226 is Champ), (22-12 is Walthers) SR-012 SFRD Orange and Black Freight Reefer-"Grand Canyon" Black/White 5 BRH-226 SR-013 SFRD Orange and Black Freight Reefer-"Super Chief" Black/White 15 BRH-224 SR-014 SFRD Orange and Black Freight Reefer-"El Capitan" Black/White 24 BRH-223 SR-018 SFRD Orange and Black Freight Reefer-"The Scout" Black/White 13 BRH-219, 22-12 SR-038 SFRD Orange and Black Freight Reefer-"The Chief" Black/White 14 BRH-225, 22-48 Tom also has: SR-059 SFRD Black and Yellow Freight Reefer-8' Herald Black/White 11 HR-60, 22-43 See http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/rsPicture.aspx?id=27015 This lettering was also used on swing door cars. I believe the next one is from the 60's - 70's SR-079 SFRD Red and Black or Green Freight Reefer-Shock Control White/Yellow 5 22-35/36/36A Here is Tom's website. http://www.s-scaletrains.com/milepost169/index.html -- Ted Larson If a man is alone in a forest, is he still wrong?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41006	From: Mark Preman	Date: 7/5/2006
Subject: American Flyer Trains for Sale - Your ebay Alternative

I have just posted a huge new list on my website; http://www.americanflyertrains.com This your chance to buy in confidence when your faith in mankind is shaken at ebay. I still have some of the slightly altered FLYONEL collector cars left at 50% off book. e-mail me for list at americanflyertrains@... Mark Mark B. Preman AmericanFlyerTrains.com --------------------------------- Want to be your own boss? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41007	From: Mark Preman	Date: 7/5/2006
Subject: Big Train Show in Orlando

Mark your calendars! If you will be in the area, the annual summer train show is coming to the Orlando Fairgrounds July 22 and 23 - 10 to 4 both days. As usual, I will have 2 booths of American Flyer goodies for you! See you there. Mark http://www.americanflyertrains.com Mark B. Preman AmericanFlyerTrains.com --------------------------------- How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger’s low PC-to-Phone call rates. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41008	From: dale reynolds	Date: 7/5/2006
Subject: burma-shave signs

i really like the sign series the fellow is posting and my wife has agreed to print them off for me on the printer. however as i remember, the last sign which always said 'burma-shave' was in script. does anyone know a good way to do this in s scale or a bit bigger for us geezers? and, they may have been printed in red, if so, would it be worth it to do the last sign in red? i am moving 2 roads closer to the edge of the layout so such details can be more easily seen... Dale Reynolds reynoldsdale@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41009	From: mtoytrain@bellsouth.net	Date: 7/5/2006
Subject: Re: Al Minutoli and his website

Robert What a super S gauge website! Glad you posted it and "Al Minutoli" where ever you are thanks and let us hear from you. Jerry Matsick Jax "S" ville > > From: Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> > Date: 2006/07/05 Wed AM 01:50:08 EDT > To: s-trains list <s-trains@...> > Subject: [S-Trains] Al Minutoli and his website > > I stumbled onto another informative site for American Flyer trains today: > > http://members.tripod.com/alminutoli/index.htm > > Does anyone know Al Minutoli? It says he's in Delray Beach, Florida. The email address given on the website has been disconnected. > > Better yet: Al - are you a member of the S-Trains group? > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41010	From: Jim Alessio	Date: 7/5/2006
Subject: Re: burma-shave signs

There are pictures of Burma-Shave signs at http://www.jimscorner.net/Burma.html Jim Alessio jim@... -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of dale reynolds Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 10:19 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] burma-shave signs i really like the sign series the fellow is posting and my wife has agreed to print them off for me on the printer. however as i remember, the last sign which always said 'burma-shave' was in script. does anyone know a good way to do this in s scale or a bit bigger for us geezers? and, they may have been printed in red, if so, would it be worth it to do the last sign in red? i am moving 2 roads closer to the edge of the layout so such details can be more easily seen... Dale Reynolds reynoldsdale@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41011	From: Roy Inman	Date: 7/5/2006
Subject: Re: burma-shave signs PS

BTW, lots of Burma-Shave poems can be viewed at www.fiftiesweb.com/burma1.htm Roy Inman . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41012	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 7/5/2006
Subject: Re: burma-shave signs

Dale - Check out http://grantmcl.tripod.com/burmashave.html http://www.fiftiesweb.com/burma.htm Dick Kuepper Aurora, OH -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of dale reynolds Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 10:19 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] burma-shave signs i really like the sign series the fellow is posting and my wife has agreed to print them off for me on the printer. however as i remember, the last sign which always said 'burma-shave' was in script. does anyone know a good way to do this in s scale or a bit bigger for us geezers? and, they may have been printed in red, if so, would it be worth it to do the last sign in red? i am moving 2 roads closer to the edge of the layout so such details can be more easily seen... Dale Reynolds reynoldsdale@ <mailto:reynoldsdale%40earthlink.net> earthlink.net [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41013	From: Larry Moore	Date: 7/5/2006
Subject: Re: Buying, Selling or Trading

Count me in on being interested in a buying and selling group. Thanks, Larry ----- Original Message ----- From: mtoytrain@...<mailto:mtoytrain@...> To: Roy Inman<mailto:rinphoto@...> ; Robert Graves<mailto:theupstairstrain@...> ; s-trains list<mailto:s-trains@...> Sent: Monday, July 03, 2006 7:28 PM Subject: Re: Re: [S-Trains] re: Buying, Selling or Trading S gaugers I am sure there are items in your inventory that someone else is looking for. If you are interested in a S Gauge WEBSITE to buy, sell or trade items, let us know PLEASE NOTE This is not to take the place of our FINE S Gauge Manufacturers, S Gauge dealers, but there are alot of items out there that aren't available on the market anymore: Example: The beautiful American Models Sante Fe ABA PA1 set, or the new American Models Northerns, or Lionel Flyer, Gilbert Flyer and yes there are a number of items that aren't available thru S Helper service. Perhaps by us listing each of us will find that item we have been looking for! This works fine for O gaugers! take a look at: www.svctrains.com Let us know you thoughts!! Jerry Matsick Jax "S" Ville > > From: Roy Inman <rinphoto@...<mailto:rinphoto@...>> > Date: 2006/07/03 Mon PM 06:27:56 EDT > To: Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...<mailto:theupstairstrain@...>>, > s-trains list <s-trains@...<mailto:s-trains@...>> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] re: Buying, Selling or Trading > > Hey Robert and Jerry, that sounds like an excellent idea. > Roy Inman > > From: Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...<mailto:theupstairstrain@...>> > Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2006 07:24:17 -0700 (PDT) > To: s-trains list <s-trains@...<mailto:s-trains@...>> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] re: Buying, Selling or Trading > > > I'd like to give it a try. Neither trainz.com nor toytrainstrading have > worked well for me because they are so heavily loaded with other gauges. > > > Jerry Matsick <jpmatsick@...<mailto:jpmatsick@...> <mailto:jpmatsick%40yahoo.com> > wrote: > Being in O gauge for most of my life, I sold and obtained a number of > good purchases at www.svctrains.com, a sight for O gaugers to buy, > sell or trade, is there an S gauge sight similar to this, and would > there be interest in a web sight like this. > > Jerry Matsick > Jacksonville > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs.Try it free. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41014	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 7/5/2006
Subject: Re: Big Train Show in Orlando

ALSO DON'T FORGET THE DELAND SHOW FIRST..... IT IS ON SAT THE 22..... EARLY BIRD AT 7 FOR 16.00.... SHOULD BE WORTH IT AS THERE IS SUPPOSED TO BE A LOT OF FLYER THERE...... BOB ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Preman To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 12:34 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Big Train Show in Orlando Mark your calendars! If you will be in the area, the annual summer train show is coming to the Orlando Fairgrounds July 22 and 23 - 10 to 4 both days. As usual, I will have 2 booths of American Flyer goodies for you! See you there. Mark http://www.americanflyertrains.com Mark B. Preman AmericanFlyerTrains.com --------------------------------- How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41015	From: Roy Inman	Date: 7/5/2006
Subject: Re: burma-shave signs

Dale; The image would probably download easily and a print could be made from that image. It probably could not be made large, say 8x10", but for layout use, even those of, ahem, advancing age such as myself, wouldn't want it THAT big alongside our one-lane highway next to the right of way. I am guessing it would enlarge to maybe 2" across. However, it would be wise to contact the photographer and ask permission. I noticed that it says nothing about copyright on the web site, but that does not absolve one's responsibility for respecting the work of others. From: Jim Alessio <jim@...> Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2006 17:02:36 -0400 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [S-Trains] burma-shave signs There are pictures of Burma-Shave signs at http://www.jimscorner.net/Burma.html Jim Alessio jim@... <mailto:jim%40alessios.net> -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of dale reynolds Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 10:19 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: [S-Trains] burma-shave signs i really like the sign series the fellow is posting and my wife has agreed to print them off for me on the printer. however as i remember, the last sign which always said 'burma-shave' was in script. does anyone know a good way to do this in s scale or a bit bigger for us geezers? and, they may have been printed in red, if so, would it be worth it to do the last sign in red? i am moving 2 roads closer to the edge of the layout so such details can be more easily seen... Dale Reynolds reynoldsdale@... <mailto:reynoldsdale%40earthlink.net> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41016	From: Roy Inman	Date: 7/5/2006
Subject: Re: burma-shave signs PPS

And also at seniors-site-com/funstuff/burma.html Roy Inman From: Jim Alessio <jim@...> Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2006 17:02:36 -0400 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [S-Trains] burma-shave signs There are pictures of Burma-Shave signs at http://www.jimscorner.net/Burma.html [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41017	From: roy meissner	Date: 7/5/2006
Subject: Burma Shave

There is a book that claims to have all 5000 + Burma Shave slogans. I have a copy in my book collection. Roy J Meissner [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41018	From: Roy Inman	Date: 7/5/2006
Subject: Re: burma-shave signs PPPS

Train approaching Whistle Squealing Pause-Avoid that Run Down Feeling Burma-Shave -Roy Inman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41019	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 7/6/2006
Subject: Fw: [S-Trains] NMRA NATIONAL TRAIN SHOW

Remember also in the Philadelphia area the NMRA National Train Show is this Friday 12:00 to 6:00, Saturday 10:00 to 6:00 and Sunday 10:00 to 5:00 in the Pennsylvania Convention Center (old Reading Terminal). I am going Friday. http://www.ij2006.org/Natrnshw.html Staying on the Stony Creek Branchline of NASG track, Glenn . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41020	From: G C	Date: 7/6/2006
Subject: Re: Buying, Selling or Trading

Me too! Gene Cimino --------------------------------- Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs.Try it free. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41021	From: Gerald Dobbs	Date: 7/6/2006
Subject: (no subject)

Sorry the E mail address I gave left out the S I will try it again. RMD TCA is offering two "S" cars for the 2007 TCA convention, available now. Lionel "S" Coors refrigerator car, only 1000 cars will be built in accordance with Coors brewery, cars are available to all, $64.95. 2 cars $125.90 , 3 cars $187.85, 4 cars $249.80, 5 cars 310.75 Prices includes shipping & handling. Lionel "S" depressed center car with a block of Colorado Marble ( same marble as used throughout Washington D.C. including the tomb of the unknown solder ) lettered Yule Marble Co. $62.95 , TCA members only. 5% early buy, 10/31/06. These are really nice cars with real Colorado Marble. If you are not TCA have a member get one for you. The cars are very stable even under the heavy load of Colorado Marble WWW.rmdtoytrains.org WWW.mizellTrains@... also has forms to purchase the cars TCA members watch for the Jan. Quarterly, for convention details and other convention cars. Tours and train rides thru the Colorado mountains. Please keep in mind that Denver is 5280 ft high it is good to bring along a coat, Last week fishing 6/30/06 I was fishing and all my water was frozen, but it beats the heat. Denver in 2007 Jerry Dobbs 77-11644

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41022	From: Roy Inman	Date: 7/6/2006
Subject: Re: Burma Shave

Can you share the name of the book? Roy Inman From: roy meissner <rmeissner@...> Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2006 00:07:24 -0500 To: "S-Trains (E-mail)" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Subject: [S-Trains] Burma Shave There is a book that claims to have all 5000 + Burma Shave slogans. I have a copy in my book collection. Roy J Meissner [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41023	From: Velapoldi	Date: 7/6/2006
Subject: Re: Buying, Selling or Trading

Guess I would be interested in selling/buying, but being in Norway makes it a little more difficult. Rance Velapoldi (Norway) G C wrote: > Me too! > > Gene Cimino > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs.Try it free. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41024	From: plasticvilleking	Date: 7/6/2006
Subject: Re: Burma Shave

Try the verse by the side of the road. This is one of the book out there on Burma Shave. Hank

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41025	From: reynoldsjmus	Date: 7/6/2006
Subject: Burma Shave signs

many thanks to jim, dick, the roys, and any others who helped me on this fun project. i found 6 slogans about trains and will use 2 or 3 on my layout, about all the roads near the edge can handle. my sweet wife who is much more computer literate than me used microsoft word, the font called 'franklin gothic condensed' and a bright red background to print me these slogans at 1/8 inch hi and 3/4 inch long so 4" hi by 5' long in s scale, not much out of scale. they look gorgeous to me, i will mount them on bill banta's sign stock which i already have. is this a great list or what??? dale reynolds, pendleton sc.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41026	From: plasticvilleking	Date: 7/6/2006
Subject: Re: Burma Shave

Go to www.burma-shave.org for jingles. you can pick jingles out by the year, and there is other useful infomation on the site. Hank

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41027	From: Steven Allen	Date: 7/6/2006
Subject: AM Transformer w/Sound Control

I am having a problem with the new AM transformer I purchased. When I activate either the whistle or bell, I do not have any reaction. I have only tried it with my new Northern, I haven't tried it on my GG-1 or K-4 yet. Has anyone else had any of the same or similar issues that they can shed some light on. Thanks for any assistance you can provide me with. Regards, Steven Allen

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41028	From: Bill Clark	Date: 7/7/2006
Subject: SHS Fifth 2-day Customer Appreciation Sale

I've just posted the fifth in a short series of 50% off Customer Appreciation Sales on the Internet. This one will be just 2 days, ending July 8, and features EMD F3 A?B sets and some single B units. This is for F3s in stock only, so first come first served! We plan to run 4 or 5 of these with different items, one after the other, depending on how well they go. Here's the link: http://www.showcaseline.com/indexSale.html Thanks! Bill [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41029	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 7/7/2006
Subject: Re: Group Update - AvailableSGauge

Just wanted to report that nearly 80 S gaugers have signed up to review items put up for Sale, Trade and or Wish List. Each of you are invited to sign up and the great thing about this group is that we can go shopping or trading on "Available S Gauge" but continue to enjoy our conversations about our favorite trains on the S-Train group. Jerry Matsick new group found at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/availablesgauge

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41030	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 7/7/2006
Subject: Re: Gilbert AF and F3 or F7 diesels

Any reason why Gilbert did not release these models? I know they released an expensive F something diesel just before closing down,as great as our PA1 Units are it would have been great to have a Gilbert F7 or F3. Thanks to SHelper and American Models for their find engines. Jerry Matsick Jax S Ville

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41031	From: T Larson	Date: 7/7/2006
Subject: JL and HotWheels

I recently visited the eBay store of diecast warehouse. WOW, I was astounded to see so many Hot Wheels and Johnny Lightning vehicles that I had never seen before. Since so many people want to know what S scale vehicles are available, and since I now know that these are readily available on the web, I would like to add these to my website. http://trainweb.org/mhrr/mhrreast/vehicles2.html http://trainweb.org/mhrr/mhrreast/vehicles3.html However, many manufacturers label their vehicles as 1/64th scale when they actually are too large or too small. In the real world, a Cadillac, Chevy, and Corvair are NOT the same size. Unfortunately, some manufacturers make them all the same size. I like to know for sure that vehicles really are 1:64th scale before I post them. For all of you that have Hot Wheels (the collector type, not the $1 variety) and JL vehicles (or any other brand) that I don't have posted, would you help me and help the rest of you by sending me dimensions? The easiest dimension is the width; is it 1-3/32, 1-1/8, 1-5/32, etc. wide??? Thanks, -- Ted Larson http://www.travelingtiger.com/tiensblog/uploaded_images/beached_limo-754970.jpg

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41032	From: Roy Inman	Date: 7/8/2006
Subject: FW: [toytrains] Superman Returns

Forwarding this from the toytrains list. It is not S, but an interesting layout nonetheless, full of ideas; it was built in 15 weeks for the "Superman Returns" movie. Wonder how much Marklin paid for the product promo? Cheers :) Roy Inman ---------- From: Ron Morris <vze39kq7@...> Reply-To: toytrains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2006 01:08:49 +0000 To: toytrains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [toytrains] Superman Returns Go here for the layout: http://pdl.warnerbros.com/wbmovies/supermanreturns/qtvr/large_train_front.ht ml The source of this started in an N Scale gauge group. Ron Morris [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41033	From: Bill Porter	Date: 7/8/2006
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} FW: [toytrains] Superman Returns

Very nice, Roy. I saw the movie. It was a hoot, but, the train set was spectacular. On my email program, the final two letters were chopped off and placed on the next line. It was an easy repair. I also had to install QuickTime and that was easy as well. Thanks, Bill Reply from Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Scale@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Roy Inman Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2006 12:30 AM To: S-Scale; S-trains Subject: {S-Scale List} FW: [toytrains] Superman Returns Forwarding this from the toytrains list. It is not S, but an interesting layout nonetheless, full of ideas; it was built in 15 weeks for the "Superman Returns" movie. Wonder how much Marklin paid for the product promo? Cheers :) Roy Inman http://pdl.warnerbr <http://pdl.warnerbros.com/wbmovies/supermanreturns/qtvr/large_train_fro nt.ht> os.com/wbmovies/supermanreturns/qtvr/large_train_front.html [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41034	From: mtoytrain@bellsouth.net	Date: 7/8/2006
Subject: Re: Availablesgauge Yahoo site

Gentlemen and Ladies Apparently Yahoo has either lost me or lost the group, unable to get on to Yahoo today or into the Available S Gauge site. Jerry Matsick

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41035	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 7/8/2006
Subject: Buyers Guide update

Hi Folks, Thanks to the research done by our NASG promotions chief, 27 new items have been added to the S Buyer's Guide to be found at [s-scaletrains.com/sbuyer]. Roy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41036	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 7/8/2006
Subject: Re: Availablesgauge Yahoo site

Jerry - I feel your pain!! Been there, done that (or had that done to me) MANY times!! Dick Kuepper Aurora, OH -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mtoytrain@... Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2006 10:29 AM To: S-trains@yahoogroups.com Cc: Mtoytrain@... Subject: [S-Trains] re: Availablesgauge Yahoo site Gentlemen and Ladies Apparently Yahoo has either lost me or lost the group, unable to get on to Yahoo today or into the Available S Gauge site. Jerry Matsick [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41037	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 7/8/2006
Subject: YAHOO'D

I've been trying to get into Yahoo groups since 6:30 AM! When the Groups finally reappeared, there were no groups in the "My Groups" thingies. They just returned, but there are still no pictures on each home page, so Yahoo isn't done screwing up yet! Stumpy Stone...electronically lost in Appalachia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41038	From: t.hawley	Date: 7/8/2006
Subject: Clinics at the National Convention

We sill have two time-slots open for clinics at the NASG's national convention in Pontiac Michigan, 2-6 August 2006 (That's next month). The available times are 8.00 AM Saturday 5 August and 9.30 AM same day. If you think you can stand up and talk about something in S for about an hour ±, whether it be scale modelling (standard gauge or narrow gauge), highrail layout building & train running, American Flyer collecting, whatever, let me know; and if it doesn't duplicate something already scheduled, we may be able to use you. We will have various types of slide and digital projectors on hand. If you haven't decided yet that you're coming, have a look at http://www.smsgtrains.org/ and click the various topics at the left. Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan 517 / 482 - 2048 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41039	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 7/8/2006
Subject: Re: JL and HotWheels

Hi Ted, Thank you for those pages. I probably have most of them as I have over 50 for my future layout. I was at the NMRA National Train Show in Philadelphia yesterday and there were huge amounts of HO, N and Z. If you need people then go to http://www.scalefigures.com they have many in "S". Woodland scenics has a new vinyl backed grass matt in 50" x 100" rolls. I bought 4 as it will save a lot of time over glue and bagged grass plus it looks a lot better than the old paper backed grass.Look for New Item- Ready Grass Vinyl Mat at http://www.woodlandscenics.com They did have a large section of LEGO train club's layouts. Buildings 8' tall made of legos. A very expensive and time intensive hobby. There was also S-Helper and B.T.S. among other old friends. Staying on the Stony Creek branchline of NASG track, Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: T Larson To: S Scale ; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 07, 2006 8:45 PM Subject: [S-Trains] JL and HotWheels I recently visited the eBay store of diecast warehouse. WOW, I was astounded to see so many Hot Wheels and Johnny Lightning vehicles that I had never seen before. Since so many people want to know what S scale vehicles are available, and since I now know that these are readily available on the web, I would like to add these to my website. http://trainweb.org/mhrr/mhrreast/vehicles2.html http://trainweb.org/mhrr/mhrreast/vehicles3.html However, many manufacturers label their vehicles as 1/64th scale when they actually are too large or too small. In the real world, a Cadillac, Chevy, and Corvair are NOT the same size. Unfortunately, some manufacturers make them all the same size. I like to know for sure that vehicles really are 1:64th scale before I post them. For all of you that have Hot Wheels (the collector type, not the $1 variety) and JL vehicles (or any other brand) that I don't have posted, would you help me and help the rest of you by sending me dimensions? The easiest dimension is the width; is it 1-3/32, 1-1/8, 1-5/32, etc. wide??? Thanks, -- Ted Larson http://www.travelingtiger.com/tiensblog/uploaded_images/beached_limo-754970.jpg [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41040	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 7/8/2006
Subject: Sunday Chat, 7/9/2006, 8:00 pm

Reminder from the Calendar of S-Trains Sunday Chat Sunday July 9, 2006 8:00 pm - 11:00 pm This event repeats every week. The next reminder for this event will be sent in 22 hours, 58 minutes. Event Location: http://s-scale.org/forum/ Street: http://s-scale.org/forum/ Notes: http://s-scale.org/forum/ ADVERTISEMENT Copyright ©  2006  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved. Privacy Policy - Terms of Service

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41041	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 7/8/2006
Subject: Re: YAHOO'D

Hey Stumpy and Others, I've been using Yahoo groups all day (Saturday) with no problems at all. Maybe you're not holding your mouse right! BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Stumpy Stone" <mrstumpy@...> wrote: > > I've been trying to get into Yahoo groups since 6:30 AM! When the > Groups finally reappeared, there were no groups in the "My Groups" > thingies. They just returned, but there are still no pictures on each > home page, so Yahoo isn't done screwing up yet! > Stumpy Stone...electronically lost in Appalachia >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41042	From: Bill Porter	Date: 7/8/2006
Subject: Re: Availablesgauge Yahoo site

It is working OK for me. Reply from Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mtoytrain@... Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2006 10:29 AM To: S-trains@yahoogroups.com Cc: Mtoytrain@... Subject: [S-Trains] re: Availablesgauge Yahoo site Gentlemen and Ladies Apparently Yahoo has either lost me or lost the group, unable to get on to Yahoo today or into the Available S Gauge site. Jerry Matsick [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41043	From: Bill Clark	Date: 7/8/2006
Subject: SHS Sixth 2-day Customer Appreciation Sale

I've just posted the sixth in a short series of 50% off Customer Appreciation Sales on the Internet. This one will be just 2 days, ending July 10, and features Steel Rebuilt Boxcars and the 24 piece packages of Flex Track. This is for product in stock only, so first come first served! We plan to run 4 or 5 of these with different items (may have to up that estimate), one after the other, depending on how well they go. Here's the link: http://www.showcaseline.com/indexSale.html Thanks! Bill [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41044	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 7/9/2006
Subject: Superman Train set

http://www.superherohype.com/news/featuresnews.php?id=4400 http://www2.warnerbros.com/supermanreturns/videoblog/index.html?id=23 Paste these for a good look. Comic book is interactive. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41045	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 7/10/2006
Subject: What am I doing here?

Last Sunday on the S Trains chat (if you haven't tried chat, do so tonight) someone asked what I was doing on the S Trains Group with all the modeling I've done. I've been giving that some thought this past week from time to time. For one thing, even though it's heavily American Flyer, everyone is welcome on this Group. And I hope what experiance I've had in other scales can be useful to the gang here. I'm not a collector (been there, done that, no fun), or a scaler (been there, done that, not a rivet counter), so in the old meaning of the term I'd be a Hi- railer. This was someone who used "tinplate" or toy track, wheels, and couplers on a "model" railroad. Today Don Thompson calls this AF compatable, which good in S gauge. As most of you know, my "other" scale is On30. But I'm finding working with HO track, wheels, and couplers harder as I get older. Hi-railing in S scale is easier for me as time goes on. Those overscale wheel flanges and couplers are more reliable than the scale stuff. And my temperment leans much more toward doing what's fun rather than what is "correct" these days. That's as good an answer as I can come up with...read ya' on chat tonight... Stumpy Stone...Hi-railing in Appalachia!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41046	From: Dave Highfield	Date: 7/10/2006
Subject: Kleins store in Baltimore

This is a interesting article about a model train store that is an institution in Baltimore. They're not much into S gauge although there used to be some used AF in a glass case in a side room. Kleins is very good with landscaping, etc. and a great place to talk model trains. Dave Link to the article: http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/local/bal-md.trains10jul10,0,2654821.story?coll=bal-local-headlines [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41047	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 7/10/2006
Subject: Re: Message #41021 Gerald Dobbs

Gerald unable to pull this message up conceerning the TCA2007 cars, please advise status are the cars still available. Jerry Matsick Jax S ville

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41048	From: Bill Clark	Date: 7/10/2006
Subject: SHS Seventh 2-day Customer Appreciation Sale

I've just posted the seventh in a short series of 50% off Customer Appreciation Sales on the Internet. This one will be just 2 days, ending July 12, and features EVC Cabooses and SW-1, SW-9, and NW-2 Diesel Switchers, all at 50% off.. This is for product in stock only, so first come first served! We plan to run a couple more of these with different items, one after the other, depending on how well they go. Here's the link: http://www.showcaseline.com/indexSale.html Thanks! Bill [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41049	From: hugoroundhouse	Date: 7/11/2006
Subject: 592 Crossing Gate

Good Morning from Colorado! I have a 591 Crossing gate on my lay-out that I restored about a year ago. Recently, I obtained a 592 base in a box of "Misc. Flyer Parts" (read that "junk") on e-bay. My 591 has two electric connecting posts - pretty straightforward. The 592 has four posts. Now I have the 592 to the point that it actuates using two of the posts, but I don't see what the two middle posts are for. They are connected to soemthing looks like a small solenoid about an inch square and maybe 3/8" deep. Anyone out there know what this is for? It doesn't seem to be needed for the arm to operate, yet there's got to be a reason it's there. What do you think? Jim E.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41050	From: Bruce D. Willis	Date: 7/11/2006
Subject: Train show in Huntsville, AL

FYI - This Saturday, July 15, 9 am to 4 pm, in the roundhouse at the Huntsville Depot, downtown Huntsville, Alabama. There is usually some American Flyer, but it's an all gauge show that will feature some layouts.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41051	From: frank emiro	Date: 7/11/2006
Subject: Re: What am I doing here?

Hey, Stumpy nice to have you aboard. I have a hard time seeing the rivets , let alone counting them. In our hobby that's what makes it GREAT, everyone can PLAY. "Being an adult is overrated, PLAY with TRAINS". Stumpy Stone <mrstumpy@...> wrote: Last Sunday on the S Trains chat (if you haven't tried chat, do so tonight) someone asked what I was doing on the S Trains Group with all the modeling I've done. I've been giving that some thought this past week from time to time. For one thing, even though it's heavily American Flyer, everyone is welcome on this Group. And I hope what experiance I've had in other scales can be useful to the gang here. I'm not a collector (been there, done that, no fun), or a scaler (been there, done that, not a rivet counter), so in the old meaning of the term I'd be a Hi- railer. This was someone who used "tinplate" or toy track, wheels, and couplers on a "model" railroad. Today Don Thompson calls this AF compatable, which good in S gauge. As most of you know, my "other" scale is On30. But I'm finding working with HO track, wheels, and couplers harder as I get older. Hi-railing in S scale is easier for me as time goes on. Those overscale wheel flanges and couplers are more reliable than the scale stuff. And my temperment leans much more toward doing what's fun rather than what is "correct" these days. That's as good an answer as I can come up with...read ya' on chat tonight... Stumpy Stone...Hi-railing in Appalachia! --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail Beta. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41052	From: Richard Hosmer	Date: 7/11/2006
Subject: Re: 592 Crossing Gate

I'm working from memory here, but, in addition to the arm coming down, was there not a light shining up through a pinhole to illuminate the plastic lantern? Of course, the light COULD have been on all the time, but perhaps it worked off the trip as well? Maybe the bulb holder has snapped off, making it hard to ID? Dick Hosmer Lurker (3/16" scale on "O" trucks, 1939-41)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41053	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 7/11/2006
Subject: Re: 592 Crossing Gate

If you have the K-Line book there is a wiring dia. on page 239. It says for the 591 but, it looks like the 592 that you speak of. Either you are mistaken about the # or they are. Anyway I have no way of sending the Dia. to you. Maybe someone else might. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41054	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 7/11/2006
Subject: Re: David Dewey

Please contact me off line! Jerry Matsick jpmatsick@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41055	From: Roger Walton	Date: 7/11/2006
Subject: 592 crossing gate wiring

both the 591 and 592 crossing gates can come with either 2 or 4 posts. if you have the 4-post version, try the following: a. connect one wire from the yellow terminal (one closest to you if the posts are on the right end when you are looking at it) to the 15 volt post on the transformer b. connect one wire from the black terminal (one furthest away from you if the posts are on the right end when you are looking at it) to the base post on the transformer c. connect one wire from the green terminal (2nd furthest away from you) to the No. 707 track terminal located in the insulated section d. connect one wire from the red terminal (2nd closest t you) to the black terminal (one furthest away) Roger Walton TCA 87-26593 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41056	From: Robert Graves	Date: 7/12/2006
Subject: 2007 TCA Convention cars

The official pictures of the two 2007 TCA Convention cars being offered by the Rocky Mountain Division of the Train Collectors Association (RMD TCA) are now online in the Gilbert Gallery: http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/boxcars5.html http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/flatcars3.html Follow the link from there to the RMD TCA website so you can order one! Also, the complete set of Flyer cabooses and boxcars made by Lionel are now listed online, but I need pictures of a LOT of them - I'd appreciate any pictures you can send of the missing ones. Bob --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41057	From: Ted Larson	Date: 7/13/2006
Subject: 1-64th Scale Vehicles

I said: "Many manufacturers label their vehicles as 1/64th scale when they actually are too large or too small. In the real world, a Cadillac, Chevy, and Corvair are NOT the same size. Unfortunately, some manufacturers make them all the same size. I like to know for sure that vehicles really are 1:64th scale before I post them. For all of you that have Hot Wheels (the collector type, not the $1 variety) and JL vehicles (or any other brand) that I don't have posted, would you help me and help the rest of you by sending me dimensions?" And the FIRST caller is ERIC REIS who sent me an Excel spreadsheet containing dimensions of many of his vehicles along with the prototype size of several of them. I added some of my vehicles to his list and loaded the spreadsheet to the shared files section, inside the MHRREAST folder. Your additions/corrections to the list are welcome. Send the data to me in an e-mail note, or download the spreadsheet, enter your new data into it, and send me the new spreadsheet. To make it easier for me, delete any lines of the spreadsheet that do not contain any new data. Most of the prototype dimensions are from http://www.carfolio.com/specifications/?country=US I must tell you not to trust this data 100%. I've noticed a few dimensions that don't make sense, such as 1953 Corvette being larger than a later Corvette..... but this is a start!!! In the spreadsheet, the most useful size columns are "model % of correct size". If this number is 100%, then the model is EXACTLY 1:64th scale. Larger than 100% means the model is oversize. In the CALC SCALE columns, a 66 means the model is 1:66th scale, smaller than 1:64th scale. Ted Larson __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41058	From: Bill Lane	Date: 7/13/2006
Subject: Convention inquiry/ PSM Update

Hi All, While I will most likely be renting a car ourselves, I figured I would ask this. Is anyone going to be arriving at the Detroit airport at approximately noon on August 2nd, and leaving on August 6th at about the same time? I understand that Pontiac is about a 1 hour drive from Detroit. Perhaps we could share a rental car. Dan prefers to keep us updated on the Pennsy S Models website. However this is related to the convention. For the first time since we started, Pennsy S Models will not have a table at this year's NASG convention. Dan cannot attend. Donna is going, albeit VERY reluctantly. I have to try and keep her entertained as best I can. That would be difficult to do while table sitting. She would much prefer that we spend our vacation going to "anywhere else without a choo". I have a feeling that I will use my last vacation days this year doing just that. We ARE still working on the X29 and G26 projects. We have actually been SHIPPING X29 throughout this year as they get completed. We ARE looking at doing a great project for 2007. Look for great things on our table in Baltimore. I am looking forward to seeing you at this year's convention. Thank You, Bill Lane Modeling the Mighty Pennsy in S Scale in 1957 since 1988 See my finished models at: http://www.lanestrains.com Over 100 new photos recently added Importing a Brass S Scale PRR X29 & G26 http://www.pennsysmodels.com ALL of the production X29 have arrived as of 6-30-05 Replacement PRR decals arrived 10-5-05 The G26 & G26a is complete. PRR Builders Photos Bought, Sold & Traded (Trading is MUCH preferred) http://mywebpages.comcast.net/billlane/PRRphotos.xls ***Join the PRR T&HS*** The other members are not ALL like me! http://www.prrths.com http://mywebpages.comcast.net/billlane/PRRTHS_Application.pdf See my Altoona train videos here http://www.myspace.com/billlane

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41059	From: Bill Clark	Date: 7/13/2006
Subject: SHS Eighth 2-day Customer Appreciation Sale

I've just posted the eighth in a short series of 50% off Customer Appreciation Sales on the Internet. This one will be just 2 days, ending July 14, and features Billboard Reefers and Double sheathed box cars, all at 50% off.. This is for product in stock only, so first come first served! We plan to run a couple more of these with different items, one after the other, depending on how well they go. Here's the link: http://www.showcaseline.com/indexSale.html Thanks! Bill [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41060	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 7/13/2006
Subject: Re: 592 Crossing Gate -post up plays...

These two posts are for the bell ringer - you use a track trip so that every time a wheel goes over it the solenoid activates the plunger that rings the bell once for each activation. The other posts control the gate and the gate requires a steady flow of electricity to work correctly. ie to hold the gate down. originally flyer used a "pressure track trip" to control the gate. I use a tunable optical system and there have been many other posts describing other ways to sense a train Scott Dee -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of hugoroundhouse Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 12:38 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] 592 Crossing Gate Good Morning from Colorado! I have a 591 Crossing gate on my lay-out that I restored about a year ago. Recently, I obtained a 592 base in a box of "Misc. Flyer Parts" (read that "junk") on e-bay. My 591 has two electric connecting posts - pretty straightforward. The 592 has four posts. Now I have the 592 to the point that it actuates using two of the posts, but I don't see what the two middle posts are for. They are connected to soemthing looks like a small solenoid about an inch square and maybe 3/8" deep. Anyone out there know what this is for? It doesn't seem to be needed for the arm to operate, yet there's got to be a reason it's there. What do you think? Jim E. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41061	From: John Foley	Date: 7/13/2006
Subject: Josh Seltzer Website Award

Hi Folks We have a winner of the Josh Seltzer Website award for 2006. The winner will be announced at the NASG convention during the banquet. Any votes received from now until next July will be counted towards the 2007 award. John Foley NASG Promotions [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41062	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 7/14/2006
Subject: Re: Need Help in finding an S gauge friend

Vince Brunette - Edwardsville, Kansas, concerned about him and or his mother. Jerry Matsick

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41063	From: David Dewey	Date: 7/14/2006
Subject: 36 yr wait over! (Not AF/train relatied)

Hi all! Yes, I know it's not trains, but it is STEAM! And I have to tell my friends, and I consider this group my friends! Since at least 1970 I have wanted to ride the Delta Queen Steamboat (now on the Mississippi, but originally on the Sacramento!) and today Linda & booked a trip for March!!! My folks are going too, ZOWIE!!!! Um, I probably won't be buying much train stuff for a bit though. . . . . What a deal, a cruise on both our birthdays too! Oh boy, Oh boy, Herk, Steamboatin'! I now return you to the regular programming. S' David D. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41064	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 7/15/2006
Subject: Re: 36 yr wait over! (Not AF/train relatied)

Hi Dave, I think you should build a 3/16" scale model of the steamboat for your layout. Perhaps the gift shop has a scale replica. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: David Dewey To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 10:48 PM Subject: [S-Trains] 36 yr wait over! (Not AF/train relatied) Hi all! Yes, I know it's not trains, but it is STEAM! And I have to tell my friends, and I consider this group my friends! Since at least 1970 I have wanted to ride the Delta Queen Steamboat (now on the Mississippi, but originally on the Sacramento!) and today Linda & booked a trip for March!!! My folks are going too, ZOWIE!!!! Um, I probably won't be buying much train stuff for a bit though. . . . . What a deal, a cruise on both our birthdays too! Oh boy, Oh boy, Herk, Steamboatin'! I now return you to the regular programming. S' David D. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41065	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 7/15/2006
Subject: LIONEL NORTHERNS

WAS JUST TALKING TO RO COMPANY.... THEY ARE EXPECTING THEM IN NEXT MONTH AROUND THE 10 TH..... BOB [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41066	From: Bill Clark	Date: 7/15/2006
Subject: SHS Ninth 2-day Customer Appreciation Sale

I've just posted the ninth in a short series of 50% off Customer Appreciation Sales on the Internet. This one will be just 2 days, ending July 16, and features EMD F-7 locomotives. This is for product in stock only, so first come first served! Here's the link: http://www.showcaseline.com/indexSale.html Thanks! Bill [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41067	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 7/15/2006
Subject: Sunday Chat, 7/16/2006, 8:00 pm

Reminder from the Calendar of S-Trains Sunday Chat Sunday July 16, 2006 8:00 pm - 11:00 pm This event repeats every week. The next reminder for this event will be sent in 23 hours, 4 minutes. Event Location: http://s-scale.org/forum/ Street: http://s-scale.org/forum/ Notes: http://s-scale.org/forum/ ADVERTISEMENT           Yes No   Yes No   Yes No   Copyright ©  2006  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved. Privacy Policy - Terms of Service

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41068	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 7/16/2006
Subject: SHS Customer Appreciaition Sale - SW9

Hello All, I ordered a Florida East Coast SW-9 diesel switcher during the SHS customer appreciation sale. I ordered it on Monday and it arrived on Friday. I perform the 40 minute break in run Friday night and lubricated as per the manual. I ran it almost all day Saturday pulling my S-N-S track cleaning car along every inch of my layout. Besides having great exterior and interior details, this engine is an excellent runner. I'm basically a steam guy, but this engine will see a lot of running time. I have a large number of SHS billboard reefers and this engine is just as impressive as the reefers. Special thanks to SHS for producing such a large line of high quality products! BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41069	From: hugoroundhouse	Date: 7/16/2006
Subject: Lionel Flyer vs. American Models - Northerns

Hi All - Sweltering here in Colorado. I saw the post that Charles Ro is expecting shipment of the Lionel Northern in a couple of months. Is anyone at liberty to tell me what the pre-order price was? I know certain prejudices and opinions come into play here, but, assuming I can get a full-sound Northern from American Models for about $450, what is the incentive to pay more for the Flyonel? Just the UP roadname? I've got the new Flyonel passenger set on order, and I'd love to get the Flyonel, but can I justify the extra cost? Jim E.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41070	From: John Gibson	Date: 7/17/2006
Subject: Fruit Packing Shed - thank you!

Greetings: Just opened up my dispatch today and saw the official announcement for the project. My thanks to Sam McCoy, Gerry Evans and the NASG Board for bringing this building to fruition. <VBG for a bad pun!> I hope the structure is a success and that Showcase Miniatures produces other buildings in S. Have a great convention. Cheers, John Gibson Rocklin, CA

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41071	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 7/17/2006
Subject: LED Headlight Question

Hello All, I thought I saw some information regarding a screw in LED replacement headlight for AF steam locomotives. Does any remember the link to these? Thanks, BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41072	From: Mark Preman	Date: 7/17/2006
Subject: Mint/Factory Sealed American Flyer Trains

For you hardcore collectors. AmericanFlyerTrains.com is working for you 24/7. I'm getting items from a former dealer who stashed some stuff away for .....a rainy day? Anyway, the family is digging this stuff out a little at a time. This stuff is MINT or SEALED and will not be bargain priced. If you are a serious collector, please contact me off line at americanflyertrains@... for the list. Your ebay alternative. Mark Mark B. Preman AmericanFlyerTrains.com --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41073	From: Keith Blanchard	Date: 7/17/2006
Subject: Latest Fun from Pine Canyon, Advert

Hi Gang, The cat is out of the bag on our latest kit, still in the works. Here is what we needed all the police cars for. You got it! A donut shop, or donut drive-in as it is. Here is a link to the page showing the progress and footprint. This structure will be a real conversation piece on your layout or display. We plan a fun scene on our diorama with plenty of police cars. Though our donut drive-in is all for fun, it is very close to its prototype. http://www.pinecanyonscalemodels.com/640donuts.htm Keep having fun, Keith Blanchard

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41074	From: Bill Clark	Date: 7/17/2006
Subject: SHS Tenth 2-day Customer Appreciation Sale

I've just posted the Tenth in a short series of 50% off Customer Appreciation Sales on the Internet. This one will be just 2 days, ending July 18, and features open hopper cars. This is for product in stock only, so first come first served! Here's the link: http://www.showcaseline.com/indexSale.html Thanks! Bill [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41075	From: Brigadier Scottish Shop	Date: 7/17/2006
Subject: ebay set

I don't want to appear rude or offend anyone on this list but is this set really worth US$1500.00? http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=120009777467&fromMakeTrack=true I would be very interested in hearing your opinions. Thanks, John Harvey

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41076	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 7/17/2006
Subject: Re: ebay set

No, not even close. Maybe $500 - 650 In a message dated 7/17/2006 7:10:32 PM Eastern Standard Time, scottishshop@... writes: http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=120009777467&fromMakeTra ck=true [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41077	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 7/17/2006
Subject: Re: ebay set

In a message dated 07/17/2006 4:10:15 PM Pacific Daylight Time, scottishshop@... writes: http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=120009777467&fromMakeTra ck=true The set # of 4620 & 4620A only go as high as $900 in E cond with no rust or cracks. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41078	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 7/17/2006
Subject: Re: Latest Fun from Pine Canyon, Advert

Like this, Keith?? ;^) http://s-scale.org/albums/v/friends/Kuepper/031025+003.JPG.html Dick -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Blanchard Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 4:52 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Latest Fun from Pine Canyon, Advert Hi Gang, The cat is out of the bag on our latest kit, still in the works. Here is what we needed all the police cars for. You got it! A donut shop, or donut drive-in as it is. Here is a link to the page showing the progress and footprint. This structure will be a real conversation piece on your layout or display. We plan a fun scene on our diorama with plenty of police cars. Though our donut drive-in is all for fun, it is very close to its prototype. http://www.pinecany <http://www.pinecanyonscalemodels.com/640donuts.htm> onscalemodels.com/640donuts.htm Keep having fun, Keith Blanchard [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41079	From: Phil K	Date: 7/18/2006
Subject: Sgt. Ben Thompson

From Will Holt, CASG: Hello, everyone; As some of you may already have heard, Ben Thompson, the oldest of Don and Robin Thompson of S-Helper Service, was wounded in Iraq yesterday. Ben, a sergeant in the U.S. Army, had arrived in Iraq just a couple of weeks ago. During a sniper attack, he was hit in the cheek. Originally thought to be a serious injury, his wounds were not in any way life-threatening and he never needed to be on a respirator, as some might have heard. Another U.S. soldier was killed in the attack. Ben has already been moved to a military hospital in Germany. He called Don this morning and was in good spirits. He will have a talk with the doctors later today and have a better idea of the extent of the injury. I am sure all of our thoughts and prayers are with Ben, Don and Robin and his two brothers, Tristan and Collin. As I hear more from Don and Robin, I'll pass the word along. **************************************************************** NOTE: Please respect the Thompson family's privacy at this time. I'm sure we'll hear from Don when appropriate. Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41080	From: Trains	Date: 7/18/2006
Subject: LED headlight crew in base

Hi BG1...Re: LED headlight question, looked it up in CTT - July, p91 mini adds: www.scottsodds-n-ends.com they have ac readyleds with screw bulb base for ,I think around $5, let us know how they work on list, hope this helps....Dr. K. Loeb (Peter) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41081	From: Bill Porter	Date: 7/18/2006
Subject: Ward Kimball Car

Esteemed Colleagues, Has anyone heard anything about the Cal-Stewart car? My notes tell me that the anticipated delivery was June 2006. Thanks, Bill Bill Porter Loxahatchee, Florida [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41082	From: Keith Blanchard	Date: 7/18/2006
Subject: Re: Latest Fun from Pine Canyon, Advert

I drove past one of these big donuts every day for about 10 years. At the intersection, it gives the illusion that it is going to roll off the roof and across your car. Kinda spooky! And yes, there where always police cars there..LOL. Keep having fun, Keith --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Dick Kuepper" <rkuepper@...> wrote: > > Like this, Keith?? ;^) > http://s-scale.org/albums/v/friends/Kuepper/031025+003.JPG.html > > > > Dick

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41083	From: geep39	Date: 7/18/2006
Subject: LED-packed bulb replacements

Someone posted 'way back in January the following: www.autolumination.com/trainbulbs.htm They have quite a product line for things you may not have been thinking you needed LED's for! I can't say how good they are since I never got a "round tuit" for an order

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41084	From: Phil K	Date: 7/19/2006
Subject: More on Sgt. Thompson

>>Dear Phil and Will, Thank you for posting the message about Ben. Right now my thoughts are with the soldier that Ben was to replace. SSG Mike was to leave in 2 weeks back to his wife and family. He was about 10 feet away when he was hit after Ben. I am sure that the casualty rate would be much higher if it was not for the Army medical corp. Thanks again, Don<<

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41085	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 7/19/2006
Subject: Re: Ward Kimball Car

In a message dated 7/18/2006 3:34:09 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, wpporter@... writes: Esteemed Colleagues, Has anyone heard anything about the Cal-Stewart car? My notes tell me that the anticipated delivery was June 2006. Thanks, Bill Bill Porter Mine arrived today.....Fred [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41086	From: Bill Porter	Date: 7/19/2006
Subject: Re: Ward Kimball Car

Thank you all for the updates. In point of fact, UPS delivered my car today. It is an especial delight. My wife and I are a little bit nutty about Disney things. Ward Kimball was a key figure in much of the history of Walt Disney and his connection with trains. I remember that when Ward died, my wife and daughter were both struck by the amount of coverage to him that appeared in the various model railroad publications; more than in the various Disney magazines. This car and even the box are happy reminders of him and his work. Later, Bill Reply from Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bill Porter Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 1:50 PM To: S-trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Ward Kimball Car Esteemed Colleagues, Has anyone heard anything about the Cal-Stewart car? My notes tell me that the anticipated delivery was June 2006. Thanks, Bill Bill Porter Loxahatchee, Florida [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41087	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 7/19/2006
Subject: Wanted: 24577 Jet Transport Flat Car

Hello All, I need a 24577 Illinois Central Jet Engine Transport flat car with Pike Master couplers, with or without the jet engine cannisters. If you have one for sale, trade, etc - please contact me off list @: bull_gator_1@... Thanks, BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41088	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 7/19/2006
Subject: Wanted: Allied Cars for 24566 Auto Carrier

Hello All, I need the following Allied cars for the 24566 car carrier: Two (2) green cars One (1) orange car If you have any for sale, trade, etc - please let me know off list @: bull_gator_1@... Thanks, BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41089	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 7/19/2006
Subject: Re: BURLINGTON GP-9's & K-LINE TRACK ALL NEW IN THE BOX

I have a couple of Burlington GP-9's AF by LTI for sale. I paid the retail of $269 for one, but I'm selling for $260 shipping included. Contact me off list. I could not access the Yahoo for sale site to list them there. Mike PS: I also have 2 boxes left of New in the box (16pcs) 54"radii K-Line track [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41090	From: whtrainman	Date: 7/19/2006
Subject: Wanted: Shells

Hello All I am looking for the following shells for repainting: Reefers w/ or w/o bases Gulf Tankers w/ or w/o bases Baldwin Shells GP 7 Shells Want items that are below operator grade (Minor chips, broken catwalks, step or 2 missing on the Baldwins, etc). Was at a Greenbergs show about 20 years ago in Phila. (Old Civic Ctr.) and a dealer had 1 Repro. GP 7 Shell left. Is there someone out there making them? Thanx, Walt Contact me offline Waltj2@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41091	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 7/19/2006
Subject: Re: Sgt. Ben Thompson

Don and Robin - My thoughts and prayers are with you. Best wishes for a speedy recovery for your son. Dick Kuepper CPT, USA Ret. -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Phil K Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 2:55 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Sgt. Ben Thompson From Will Holt, CASG: Hello, everyone; As some of you may already have heard, Ben Thompson, the oldest of Don and Robin Thompson of S-Helper Service, was wounded in Iraq yesterday. Ben, a sergeant in the U.S. Army, had arrived in Iraq just a couple of weeks ago. During a sniper attack, he was hit in the cheek. Originally thought to be a serious injury, his wounds were not in any way life-threatening and he never needed to be on a respirator, as some might have heard. Another U.S. soldier was killed in the attack. Ben has already been moved to a military hospital in Germany. He called Don this morning and was in good spirits. He will have a talk with the doctors later today and have a better idea of the extent of the injury. I am sure all of our thoughts and prayers are with Ben, Don and Robin and his two brothers, Tristan and Collin. As I hear more from Don and Robin, I'll pass the word along. **************************************************************** NOTE: Please respect the Thompson family's privacy at this time. I'm sure we'll hear from Don when appropriate. Phil K [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41092	From: Phil K	Date: 7/19/2006
Subject: Update from Sgt. Ben Thompson, U.S. Army

Sgt. Ben Thompson wrote to friends, copied to me by Don: > >If you have not already heard, I've been MEDEVAC'd to Landstuhl, Germany. I will be going to Walter Reed [Hospital] on Friday. To make a long story short, while pulling security on an operation, I took a snipers bullet to the face. It was a direct hit to just infront of my ear, unfortunately I have bullet fragments in my throat, and bullet fragments lodged betwwen the base of my skull and spine. Besides that, the left side of my face is partially paralyzed due to nerve damage. Still, I consider myself one lucky Maldune, one of the other guys on my patrol was not so lucky, he suffered gunshot wound to the chest and succumbed to his injuries. I'm in so-so spirits, I'm actually kind of disappointed to be redeploying like this, but how many people survive a sniper attack, I guess I need to look at the big picture. Anyway I'll keep you guys informed, thanks.... > >Ben

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41093	From: Alan Evans	Date: 7/19/2006
Subject: Visiting Ft Worth/ Dallas and Rusk

List: A train friend of mine will be visiting the above area July 23-29 and needs some suggestions for train watching locations and S layouts. Contact me off list if you can give me tips for visiting. Thanking you in advance. Alan Evans Gahanna, Ohio [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41094	From: Jim Marski	Date: 7/19/2006
Subject: Polk Brothers 5205 set

Previously on the list, there was an offering of a relatively complete 5205 set offered by Polk Brothers in Chicago. The set included a large number of minicraft buildings. Being originally from Chicago and a Polk Bros. customer, although not that long ago, I was wondering if anyone on the list could provide any original sales information for this such as newspaper advertisements etc. Any help appreciated. Thanks, Jim Marski --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41095	From: mtoytrain@bellsouth.net	Date: 7/20/2006
Subject: Re: [AvailableSgauge] Discount for list members

I have given Keith permission to post the following on AvailableSGauge, anytime we can save money it is worth it. > Subject: [AvailableSgauge] Discount for list members > > I will be listing some parts box stuff on Ebay. I am > cleaning out the work area. Any purchases over $25 > ship free for members of either of the two "s" lists. Keith > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41096	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 7/20/2006
Subject: Sept 2006 - CTT features S Helper 2-8-0 Consolidation

Classic Toy Train does a beautiful write up of our S GAUGE/SCALE 2-8-0 Consolidation. They happen to feature in the picture my unit the beautiful Westerm Mayland steamer They state NO CONS and PROS are a Well Balanced look, a good runner, S Helper Service excited about this project. Many thanks to Don, Robin and all the gang at S Helper Showcaseline. Also if you are a praying person, remember Don and Robin's son Ben in prayer as he was recently wounded over in the near east. Jerry Matsick Jax S Ville

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41097	From: keefer1	Date: 7/20/2006
Subject: Discount for list members

I will be listing some parts box stuff on Ebay. I am cleaning out the work area. Any purchases over $25 ship free for members of either of the two "s" lists. Keith __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41098	From: Roy Inman	Date: 7/20/2006
Subject: Re: [AvailableSgauge] Discount for list members

But why not just make the list available to all of us and save the eBay fees...? Don't get it... Roy Inman From: keefer1 <keefer1_us@...> Reply-To: AvailableSgauge@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 05:39:50 -0700 (PDT) To: AvailableSgauge@yahoogroups.com, s-trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AvailableSgauge] Discount for list members I will be listing some parts box stuff on Ebay. I am cleaning out the work area. Any purchases over $25 ship free for members of either of the two "s" lists. Keith __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41099	From: Roy Inman	Date: 7/20/2006
Subject: FW: Foam cradles-FYI

Received this reply from Doug Peck at Portlines: (Roy Inman) ---------- > From: Doug Peck <Doug@...> > Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 16:01:52 -0400 > To: Roy Inman <rinphoto@...> > Subject: RE: Foam cradles > > I don't think I show them, unless they're under TOOLS. > Anyway....yes, I have > 16" cradles for $10. each, > and > 8" cradles for $5 each. > > Doug Peck > Port Lines Hobby Supply > 6 Storeybrooke Drive > Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 > Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). > 978-465-8798 > 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) > Website: <http://www.portlines.com/> > E-mail: doug@... > VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Roy Inman [mailto:rinphoto@...] > Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 3:38 PM > To: Doug Peck > Subject: Foam cradles > > > Hi Doug; > I thought that you sold foam cradles that will accommodate S sized engines, > but I cannot find them on the web site. > Roy Inman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41100	From: Bill	Date: 7/20/2006
Subject: Emailing: 060707.nmra

Hi, Jim Ingram sent this to me and I thought all of our S gauge people might want to get a glimpse of what was going on in Philly several weeks ago. Bill The message is ready to be sent with the following file or link attachments: Shortcut to: http://www.track2.com/temp/060707.nmra.philly/ Note: To protect against computer viruses, e-mail programs may prevent sending or receiving certain types of file attachments. Check your e-mail security settings to determine how attachments are handled. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41101	From: Robert Graves	Date: 7/21/2006
Subject: Re: FW: Foam cradles-FYI

I'll bite: what's a foam cradle? Roy Inman <rinphoto@...> wrote: Received this reply from Doug Peck at Portlines: (Roy Inman) ---------- > From: Doug Peck <Doug@...> > Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 16:01:52 -0400 > To: Roy Inman <rinphoto@...> > Subject: RE: Foam cradles > > I don't think I show them, unless they're under TOOLS. > Anyway....yes, I have > 16" cradles for $10. each, > and > 8" cradles for $5 each. > > Doug Peck > Port Lines Hobby Supply > 6 Storeybrooke Drive > Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 > Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). > 978-465-8798 > 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) > Website: <http://www.portlines.com/> > E-mail: doug@... > VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Roy Inman [mailto:rinphoto@...] > Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 3:38 PM > To: Doug Peck > Subject: Foam cradles > > > Hi Doug; > I thought that you sold foam cradles that will accommodate S sized engines, > but I cannot find them on the web site. > Roy Inman --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail Beta. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41102	From: Rick Evans	Date: 7/21/2006
Subject: Re: FW: Foam cradles-FYI

I'm assuming they are for holding a loco, etc......to work on 'em. Rick> I'll bite: what's a foam cradle? Roy Inman <rinphoto@...> wrote: Received this reply from Doug Peck at Portlines: (Roy Inman) ---------- > From: Doug Peck <Doug@...> > Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 16:01:52 -0400 > To: Roy Inman <rinphoto@...> > Subject: RE: Foam cradles > > I don't think I show them, unless they're under TOOLS. > Anyway....yes, I have > 16" cradles for $10. each, > and > 8" cradles for $5 each. > > Doug Peck > Port Lines Hobby Supply > 6 Storeybrooke Drive > Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 > Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). > 978-465-8798 > 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) > Website: <http://www.portlines.com/> > E-mail: doug@... > VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Roy Inman [mailto:rinphoto@...] > Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 3:38 PM > To: Doug Peck > Subject: Foam cradles > > > Hi Doug; > I thought that you sold foam cradles that will accommodate S sized engines, > but I cannot find them on the web site. > Roy Inman --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail Beta. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41103	From: John Foley	Date: 7/21/2006
Subject: 2007 TCA Convention

Hi Folks Is there out there anyone who has or knows of a club or individual who has either an S hirail or AF portable layout in the Denver area? As you may know the TCA is having their national convention in 07 there. I would like to find folks to represent S & the NASG. John Foley NASG Promotions [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41104	From: Roy Inman	Date: 7/21/2006
Subject: Re: FW: Foam cradles-FYI

Real handy gizmo that is cut from soft foam (others will have a more specific designation on what the stuff is called) and makes a dandy place to hold engines or cars while lubing, repairing, cleaning, etc. Lengths vary, but I like the ones that are long enough to hold a steam engine without overhang. Typical dimensions: 16' long, 3" deep, 5~5" wide. There are holes cut out along the top of the one I have that are just large enough to contain those 35mm plastic film canisters that we all used to have tons of. Make nice places to hold screws, tubes of lube, small parts, etc. Roy Inman From: Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 22:32:47 -0700 (PDT) To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] FW: Foam cradles-FYI I'll bite: what's a foam cradle? Roy Inman <rinphoto@... <mailto:rinphoto%40everestkc.net> > wrote: Received this reply from Doug Peck at Portlines: (Roy Inman) ---------- > From: Doug Peck <Doug@... <mailto:Doug%40portlines.com> > > Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 16:01:52 -0400 > To: Roy Inman <rinphoto@... <mailto:rinphoto%40everestkc.net> > > Subject: RE: Foam cradles > > I don't think I show them, unless they're under TOOLS. > Anyway....yes, I have > 16" cradles for $10. each, > and > 8" cradles for $5 each. > > Doug Peck > Port Lines Hobby Supply > 6 Storeybrooke Drive > Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 > Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). > 978-465-8798 > 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) > Website: <http://www.portlines.com/> > E-mail: doug@... <mailto:doug%40portlines.com> > VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Roy Inman [mailto:rinphoto@... <mailto:rinphoto%40everestkc.net> ] > Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 3:38 PM > To: Doug Peck > Subject: Foam cradles > > > Hi Doug; > I thought that you sold foam cradles that will accommodate S sized engines, > but I cannot find them on the web site. > Roy Inman --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail Beta. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41105	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 7/21/2006
Subject: K-LINE TRACK

The K-Line track I HAD is SOLD. Thank You guys. Mike PS: I Still have the Burlington GP-9's ($260.00 Shipping included) Also 1 SP GP-9 Same price [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41106	From: Doug Peck	Date: 7/21/2006
Subject: Re: FW: Foam cradles-FYI

OK.....by "popular demand", we've added a photo and description to our website.......click on the "TOOLS" page. And we just received a new shipment of the 16" cradles this week. Also have the 8" cradles in stock. <<<I'll bite: what's a foam cradle?>>> Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours: Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, & Saturdays--- 2-5 PM (EST) 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: www.portlines.com <http://www.portlines.com/> E-mail: doug@... VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41107	From: Roy Inman	Date: 7/21/2006
Subject: Re: FW: Foam cradles-FYI

Sorry, did not make that clear. Yes, the foam cradles make a safe, soft, convenient spot to hold engines and rolling stock. I have three actually, and I blush to confess, all are filled at the moment with uncompleted projects. Roy Inman From: Rick Evans <bassflyer@...> Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 16:02:47 -0700 To: STrains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] FW: Foam cradles-FYI I'm assuming they are for holding a loco, etc......to work on 'em. Rick> I'll bite: what's a foam cradle? Roy Inman <rinphoto@... <mailto:rinphoto%40everestkc.net> > wrote: Received this reply from Doug Peck at Portlines: (Roy Inman) ---------- > From: Doug Peck <Doug@... <mailto:Doug%40portlines.com> > > Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 16:01:52 -0400 > To: Roy Inman <rinphoto@... <mailto:rinphoto%40everestkc.net> > > Subject: RE: Foam cradles > > I don't think I show them, unless they're under TOOLS. > Anyway....yes, I have > 16" cradles for $10. each, > and > 8" cradles for $5 each. > > Doug Peck > Port Lines Hobby Supply > 6 Storeybrooke Drive > Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 > Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). > 978-465-8798 > 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) > Website: <http://www.portlines.com/> > E-mail: doug@... <mailto:doug%40portlines.com> > VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Roy Inman [mailto:rinphoto@... <mailto:rinphoto%40everestkc.net> ] > Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 3:38 PM > To: Doug Peck > Subject: Foam cradles > > > Hi Doug; > I thought that you sold foam cradles that will accommodate S sized engines, > but I cannot find them on the web site. > Roy Inman --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail Beta. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41108	From: Phil K	Date: 7/21/2006
Subject: IMPORTANT UPDATE on Sgt. Ben Thompson

Sent to me earlier today: >>As you already know, Ben was injured in Iraq by a sniper's bullet to his face on Monday. Early this morning he suffered a setback in his recovery. He is currently hospitalized at a base hospital in Germany. He was to be flown to Walter Reed Army Hospital today [Friday], but suffered an burst aneurysm in the area of his injury which delayed his transfer. He will be kept in Germany until stable enough for transit to the States. Here they will remove the bullet fragments from his neck and then do reconstructive surgery. His parents, Don and Robin, will be leaving for Germany as soon as possible. They ask all of you to be patient about placing orders with S-Helper Service (Showcase Line) and having those orders filled while they are away and while Ben is recovering. Also, please keep telephone calls to them at a very minimum. In turn, Don and Robin know that they and Ben and the rest of the family are in our thoughts and prayers. Kind regards, Will Holt<< NOTE FROM PHIL K: Tonight at the CASG meeting I heard that Ben spoke by phone with his parents following the surgery to repair the aneurysm and while his condition is guarded, at this time it looks like Ben will soon be able to continue with his recovery and rehab. Don asked that I pass this message along to all of you. Everyone's prayers are working.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41109	From: Phil K	Date: 7/21/2006
Subject: New Flyonel 4-8-4?

Someone on the OGRR board posted this link to artwork for the next Lionel (V2) catalog. It appears to be a new UP Northern in gray paint with elephant ears: http://tinyurl.com/k3kll Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41110	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 7/22/2006
Subject: Re;New Flyonel 4-8-4

Now that looks alot like Union Pacific's famous #844 locomotive. Maybe not enough to satisfy the rivet counters, but pretty nice. Might go real well with a Flyonel Union Pacific heavyweight passenger car set. Duh...what do ya' think? Stumpy Stone...in the rainy hills of Eastern Ohio.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41111	From: t.hawley@comcast.net	Date: 7/22/2006
Subject: Convention Clinic

Ladies & Gentlemen At the NASG Convention, 2-6 August (that's less then 2 weeks from now) in Pontiac Michigan, John Heck will give a clinic on American Flyer maintenance and repair. It's scheduled for 3.30 PM on Fri 4 Aug. John has offered to attempt some before-your-eyes repair to AF cars & locomotives. If you have a car or locomotive with a problem, contact John, phone 262 / 238 - 1885. Describe what you have and the problem. It's up to him; if you're lucky he'll say "That's a good one; bring it." Don't bring anything for him to try to fix in this clinic without making contact with him first. Incidentally, we will have 2 other clinics that will be specifically AF-oriented, and probably at least half of the 14� other clinics will be of interest to everyone -- and two ladies clinics. Tom Hawley -- NASG 2006 Convention [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41112	From: Phil K	Date: 7/22/2006
Subject: Some good news for a change about Sgt. Ben Thompson

Sent to me at 4:54 a.m. this morning: >>Dear Phil, I just got off the phone with Ben. He was sounding very upbeat as he has been rescheduled to fly to Washington on Tuesday if he remains stable. Yesterday, they think a damaged vein in his mandible either let go or the clot dislodged. They were able to control the bleeding and he was transfused 2 units of blood. He was being moved from ICU to his old room when we ended the call. Poor Robin, the call came in a 5 AM (I am the early one and the weekends sometimes allow Robin a chance to catch up on sleep). But, I know she was happy to have him call. The trip to Germany will have to wait as his status has improved greatly in the past 24 hours. Best regards, Don<< NOTE TO ALL: Don't forget to include Don & Robin in some of those prayers for Ben. They're working! Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41113	From: Keith Blanchard	Date: 7/22/2006
Subject: Re: Latest Fun from Pine Canyon, Advert

Actually we are shooling for something more like this scene http://www.pinecanyonscalemodels.com/640donuts.htm Just a few updated photos. The interior is yet to be done. Donuts in S-scale should be fun to make. Hopefully sometime next week. Now we gotta find some nice looking carhops for our next kit. Howard's Drive-in Restaurant. Named for two of our Howards on this group. Or maybe all the Howards..LOL. Such Fun! Keith

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41114	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 7/22/2006
Subject: Sunday Chat, 7/23/2006, 8:00 pm

Reminder from the Calendar of S-Trains Sunday Chat Sunday July 23, 2006 8:00 pm - 11:00 pm This event repeats every week. The next reminder for this event will be sent in 23 hours. Event Location: http://s-scale.org/forum/ Street: http://s-scale.org/forum/ Notes: http://s-scale.org/forum/ ADVERTISEMENT Copyright ©  2006  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved. Privacy Policy - Terms of Service

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41115	From: David Dewey	Date: 7/23/2006
Subject: New Flyonel stuff coming.

Pictures from the soon-to-be-released '06 Vol 2 Catalong--I saw an image of C & O heavywieghts, but can't tell if they're Flyonel or L stuff. New AF engine?? http://www.lionel.com/Products/ProductNavigator/popviewlargeimage.cfm?MediaID=3557 Detail rear tender of grey Northern, not the missing step! Also looks like two part axle, with both wheels picking up power? Also, holes for railings not used! http://www.lionel.com/Products/ProductNavigator/popviewlargeimage.cfm?MediaID=3648 Christmas Unloading car:(maybe this was in the Christmas catalog already?) http://www.lionel.com/Products/ProductNavigator/popviewlargeimage.cfm?MediaID=3514 S' David D. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41116	From: Jim Marski	Date: 7/23/2006
Subject: AF trains for sale ebay

Have listed about 150 AF items on ebay this week- most are operator grade pieces, but there are some special ones like a 324AC hudson. If interested, search by seller 'jeeps' Jim Marski --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41117	From: Clay Buckage	Date: 7/23/2006
Subject: Attn: John Foley

John, I sent the message below directly but it was returned. Please contact me at your earliest convenience. Thanks! -Clay From: clay@... To: John Foley <mr-s1@...> Subject: Upcoming shows, Literature needed Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 19:04:55 -0500 John, Are you still handling the NASG, This is S-Gauge literature? We have the following shows coming up and are running short on that literature. August19 Vanacore's New Haven Sept 15/16 Forks Township, PA Community Days First week in November, Fall S-Fest Additionally, I understand you are recruiting portable S layouts for TCA2007 in Denver. Nobody has contacted us yet, but we are available. Look forward to hearing from you again, Hope all is well with you and yours, -Clay "Who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of men?" "The Shadow Knows!" Clay Buckage Dave's Twacks & Twains Box 388 Tatamy, Pa. 18085 www.davestnt.com clay@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41118	From: Rick	Date: 7/23/2006
Subject: Thanks

Thank You to all who emailed and sent pics, links, diagrams, etc. AF 18B up and running.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41119	From: Steve & Cathy Pendleton	Date: 7/23/2006
Subject: Rare set for sale

Hello, I have a 20425 Keystone set I just put up on eBay this evening. It has the OB, though rough, with folling stock and acc. nearly a full EX all the way across, 21005, the rocket launcher, searchlight car, yellow-and-silver caboose and all the other acc. that came with the set. I have no reserve on it. So, you might want to take a look. Could pick up a rare and desiraable set (5 on a scale of 7 in Bubeck's TM price guide) very cheap. Best regards to all, Steve Pendleton P. S. Listed around 3:07 PM PDT on Sunday. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41120	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 7/23/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 3123

The C&O Pacific is a new scale O gauge steamer which will come with a set of heavyweights. As for the gray AF Northern FEF, that is a "go." I wouldn't overly interpret the advance artwork. I believe that the missing step and the associated handrails will be on the final model. Bob Bubeck In a message dated 7/23/2006 6:56:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes: Pictures from the soon-to-be-released '06 Vol 2 Catalong--I saw an image of C & O heavywieghts, but can't tell if they're Flyonel or L stuff. New AF engine?? Detail rear tender of grey Northern, not the missing step! Also looks like two part axle, with both wheels picking up power? Also, holes for railings not used! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41121	From: Robert Graves	Date: 7/24/2006
Subject: Progress at The Gilbert Gallery: hoppers and For Sale page

I got the Lionel Flyer hoppers added to the site this weekend, and started a page of surplus items that I have for sale: http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/for_sale.html --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41122	From: Roy Inman	Date: 7/24/2006
Subject: New Lionel catalog

Hi all; I have noticed little snippets of the new Lionel catalog bounding around the 'net showing the new UP FEF grey northern, and maybe one other steamer, but has anyone seen the rest of the AF offerings? And if so, where? Cheers :) Roy Inman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41123	From: frank emiro	Date: 7/24/2006
Subject: BUT WHEN ??

When is the AFCC going to regroup and get up and running again ?? BUT WHEN ?? --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail Beta. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41124	From: T Larson	Date: 7/24/2006
Subject: vehicle size

Regarding Mark's note below, good idea, BUT, for most vehicles that I judged to be under or over size, I did not buy them. As I find vehicles in stores, I'm happy to watch for "wrong size" vehicles and record my comments. EVEN BETTER though is if other list members would measure their vehicles and send me the information. Much better to get measurements from vehicles that are outside the blister pack vs estimated measurements of vehicles that are inside the blister pack. Don't worry about measuring to 3 decimal places. Using a common ruler and reporting the results in 64ths or 32nds is great. Even reporting results to the nearest 1/16 is helpful information. Reminder, the list is in the shared files section under MHRREAST. Ted ============================== Re: {S-Scale List} JL and HotWheels\ Ted, I really appreciate the work you do on your website. Thanks for working on the vehicle listing. You're waiting for the "but" aren't you!?! <vbg> Would it be possible to also include just a listing of so-called 1/64th vehicles that are too big and one that lists those that are too small? My reason for this is that when I find a vehicle that isn't on your "scale" list, I don't know if it is one you've already rejected or if it is one that you haven't run across yet. Thanks. Mark Plank > ----- Original Message ----- > > Since so many people want to know what S scale vehicles are available, > and since I now know that these are readily available on the web, I > would like to add these to my website.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41125	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 7/24/2006
Subject: Re: [toytrains] Digest Number 4277

In a message dated 7/24/2006 8:14:06 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, toytrains@yahoogroups.com writes: lionel's 2005 sales grew by about 8%, but their profit grew by > nearly 50%, to $10M. > and, it gets even better, 2006 sales at the beginning of july almost > equaled ALL of 2005 sales. they are running at a rate of +20%. > Guess this helps explain why S-Helper's S gauge products are so much lower in price than the Big L's American Flyer and so much better looking. Really can make money using sixty year old tooling IF you raise your prices high enough. Jim "just speculating" Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41126	From: Roy Inman	Date: 7/24/2006
Subject: Re: New Lionel catalog

Hi Glen and all; I was referring to the almost released Lionel 2006 catalog #2. From the postings I have seen elsewhere, there is apparently a new UP FEF grey loco and at least one other steamer in this new catalog. It seems that somehow, someone obtains an advance copy and posts it to some site. What I am hoping for are add-on cars for the C&A set announced last time around. Cheers :) Roy Inman From: Glenn Ritter <gartrain404@...> Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 18:17:28 -0400 To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com>, Roy Inman <rinphoto@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] New Lionel catalog Just go to the Lionel Catalog. The Pacific on page 131 joins the Mikado at $649.95 http://www.lionel.com/ You can see all the Christmas and Volume 1 offerings Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: Roy Inman <mailto:rinphoto@...> To: S-trains <mailto:S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 5:00 PM Subject: [S-Trains] New Lionel catalog Hi all; I have noticed little snippets of the new Lionel catalog bounding around the 'net showing the new UP FEF grey northern, and maybe one other steamer, but has anyone seen the rest of the AF offerings? And if so, where? Cheers :) Roy Inman #ygrp-mlmsg { FONT-SIZE: small; FONT-FAMILY: arial,helvetica,clean,sans-serif } #ygrp-mlmsg TABLE { } #ygrp-mlmsg SELECT { FONT: 99% arial,helvetica,clean,sans-serif } INPUT { FONT: 99% arial,helvetica,clean,sans-serif } TEXTAREA { FONT: 99% arial,helvetica,clean,sans-serif } #ygrp-mlmsg PRE { FONT: 100% monospace } CODE { FONT: 100% monospace } #ygrp-mlmsg { LINE-HEIGHT: 1.22em } #ygrp-text { FONT-FAMILY: Georgia } #ygrp-text P { MARGIN: 0px 0px 1em } #ygrp-tpmsgs { CLEAR: both; FONT-FAMILY: Arial } #ygrp-vitnav { FONT-SIZE: 77%; MARGIN: 0px; PADDING-TOP: 10px; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana } #ygrp-vitnav A { PADDING-RIGHT: 1px; PADDING-LEFT: 1px; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; PADDING-TOP: 0px } #ygrp-actbar { CLEAR: both; MARGIN: 25px 0px; COLOR: #666; WHITE-SPACE: nowrap; TEXT-ALIGN: right } #ygrp-actbar .left { FLOAT: left; WHITE-SPACE: nowrap } .bld { FONT-WEIGHT: bold } #ygrp-grft { PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 77%; PADDING-BOTTOM: 15px; PADDING-TOP: 15px; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana } #ygrp-ft { PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #666 1px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 77%; PADDING-BOTTOM: 5px; PADDING-TOP: 5px; FONT-FAMILY: verdana } #ygrp-mlmsg #logo { PADDING-BOTTOM: 10px } #ygrp-vital { PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 8px; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 20px; PADDING-BOTTOM: 8px; PADDING-TOP: 2px; BACKGROUND-COLOR: #e0ecee } #ygrp-vital #vithd { FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 77%; TEXT-TRANSFORM: uppercase; COLOR: #333; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana } #ygrp-vital UL { PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN: 2px 0px; PADDING-TOP: 0px } #ygrp-vital UL LI { CLEAR: both; BORDER-RIGHT: #e0ecee 1px solid; BORDER-TOP: #e0ecee 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #e0ecee 1px solid; BORDER-BOTTOM: #e0ecee 1px solid; LIST-STYLE-TYPE: none } #ygrp-vital UL LI .ct { PADDING-RIGHT: 0.5em; FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FLOAT: right; WIDTH: 2em; COLOR: #ff7900; TEXT-ALIGN: right } #ygrp-vital UL LI .cat { FONT-WEIGHT: bold } #ygrp-vital A { TEXT-DECORATION: none } #ygrp-vital A:hover { TEXT-DECORATION: underline } #ygrp-sponsor #hd { FONT-SIZE: 77%; COLOR: #999 } #ygrp-sponsor #ov { PADDING-RIGHT: 13px; PADDING-LEFT: 13px; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 20px; PADDING-BOTTOM: 6px; PADDING-TOP: 6px; BACKGROUND-COLOR: #e0ecee } #ygrp-sponsor #ov UL { PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 8px; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN: 0px; PADDING-TOP: 0px } #ygrp-sponsor #ov LI { PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 77%; PADDING-BOTTOM: 6px; PADDING-TOP: 6px; LIST-STYLE-TYPE: square } #ygrp-sponsor #ov LI A { FONT-SIZE: 130%; TEXT-DECORATION: none } #ygrp-sponsor #nc { PADDING-RIGHT: 8px; PADDING-LEFT: 8px; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 20px; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; PADDING-TOP: 0px; BACKGROUND-COLOR: #eee } #ygrp-sponsor .ad { PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-BOTTOM: 8px; PADDING-TOP: 8px } #ygrp-sponsor .ad #hd1 { FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 100%; COLOR: #628c2a; LINE-HEIGHT: 122%; FONT-FAMILY: Arial } #ygrp-sponsor .ad A { TEXT-DECORATION: none } #ygrp-sponsor .ad A:hover { TEXT-DECORATION: underline } #ygrp-sponsor .ad P { MARGIN: 0px } o { FONT-SIZE: 0px } .MsoNormal { MARGIN: 0px } #ygrp-text TT { FONT-SIZE: 120% } BLOCKQUOTE { MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 4px } .replbq { } [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41127	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 7/24/2006
Subject: Re: Flyonel 6-48136 Sante Fe PA1 B unit

Just purchased a brand new in the sealed box Sante Fe B unit with Railsounds. The Railsounds are great. However, the unit drags and hardly rolls on the track, in fact it burned up the matching powered A unit. What can be done to improve the sluggishness or the poor roll of the unit??? Any suggestions appreciated. Jerry Matsick

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41128	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 7/24/2006
Subject: Re: Flyonel 6-48136 Sante Fe PA1 B unit

Jerry, I have seen the RailSound speed sensor micro switch be out of adjustment in the B unit truck. It will cause the unit to drag it's wheel. It is easy to re-adjust. Carl -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Jerry Matsick Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 6:36 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] re: Flyonel 6-48136 Sante Fe PA1 B unit Just purchased a brand new in the sealed box Sante Fe B unit with Railsounds. The Railsounds are great. However, the unit drags and hardly rolls on the track, in fact it burned up the matching powered A unit. What can be done to improve the sluggishness or the poor roll of the unit??? Any suggestions appreciated. Jerry Matsick S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41129	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 7/24/2006
Subject: Re: New Lionel catalog

Just go to the Lionel Catalog. The Pacific on page 131 joins the Mikado at $649.95 http://www.lionel.com/ You can see all the Christmas and Volume 1 offerings Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: Roy Inman To: S-trains Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 5:00 PM Subject: [S-Trains] New Lionel catalog Hi all; I have noticed little snippets of the new Lionel catalog bounding around the 'net showing the new UP FEF grey northern, and maybe one other steamer, but has anyone seen the rest of the AF offerings? And if so, where? Cheers :) Roy Inman [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41130	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 7/24/2006
Subject: Re: AFCC BUT WHEN ??

Group needs a LEADER. Frank Hare and friends gave tirelessly for years, the passage of time took their time and health. Great people, used to look forward to greeting Frank and the rest of the Pittsburgh group at NTTM on York Thursdays. Many of them are now gone to a greater reward. Jim Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41131	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 7/24/2006
Subject: Re: Flyonel 6-48136 Sante Fe PA1 B unit

Re-power with SHS drive??? Just serious, send the unit back to "Neverland" in Mich. for repair. Jim Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41132	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 7/25/2006
Subject: 1/66 Model of the Haunted Mansion enjoy S gaugers, Jim Sleeth

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 41133	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 7/25/2006
Subject: Re: "American Flyer Collectors Club"

It was brought to my attention that there is or has been such a club. I think it would be great to have this type of club active again, If I can go anything to help in restoring or assisting, please call of me those who were involved with the "AFCC" Jerry Matsick Availablesgauge Jax S Ville

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41134	From: rodgercunningham	Date: 7/25/2006
Subject: In need of a EP-5 shell

Hello to all! I want to surprise a friend of mine with a custom painted Lionel/American Flyer EP-5. Where can I find extra shells? Rodger

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41135	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 7/25/2006
Subject: Fw: You're Now a Silver PowerSeller !

Thought I would share another fraud email from "Ebay" with you all, as I never sold anything on Ebay before. Came in as high priority. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: eBay Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 3:12 AM Subject: You're Now a Silver PowerSeller ! Dear eBay Member, You've been on a super sales streak and since you've done so well, it's time to recognize you for your efforts. You are PowerSeller Silver! Congratulations! joining the eBay Silver PowerSeller Program. Come and join us. When you join the PowerSeller program, you'll be able to receive more of the support you'll need for continued success. So, why wait? Join now! PowerSeller icon next to your User ID in recognition of your hard work. PowerSeller Priority Support via email webform and phone support at Silver level and above. Exclusive offerings on the PowerSeller portal--check in frequently to see updated program benefits and special offers! Discussion Board for you to network with other PowerSellers. Free PowerSeller Business Templates for business cards and letterhead. Membership to the PowerSeller program is FREE. Again, congratulations and best wishes for your continued success! Regards, eBay PowerSeller Team If you agree with this rank please Become an eBay Power Seller within 24 hours -------------------------------------------------------------- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41136	From: Roy Inman	Date: 7/26/2006
Subject: Re: Fw: You're Now a Silver PowerSeller !

Mike, Hope you forwarded a copy to eBay fraud. Roy Inman From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 21:16:39 -0400 To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com, Toy Trains <toytrains@yahoogroups.com>, Ralph Loveless <ralcor888@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Fw: You're Now a Silver PowerSeller ! Thought I would share another fraud email from "Ebay" with you all, as I never sold anything on Ebay before. Came in as high priority. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: eBay Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 3:12 AM Subject: You're Now a Silver PowerSeller ! Dear eBay Member, You've been on a super sales streak and since you've done so well, it's time to recognize you for your efforts. You are PowerSeller Silver! Congratulations! joining the eBay Silver PowerSeller Program. Come and join us. When you join the PowerSeller program, you'll be able to receive more of the support you'll need for continued success. So, why wait? Join now! PowerSeller icon next to your User ID in recognition of your hard work. PowerSeller Priority Support via email webform and phone support at Silver level and above. Exclusive offerings on the PowerSeller portal--check in frequently to see updated program benefits and special offers! Discussion Board for you to network with other PowerSellers. Free PowerSeller Business Templates for business cards and letterhead. Membership to the PowerSeller program is FREE. Again, congratulations and best wishes for your continued success! Regards, eBay PowerSeller Team If you agree with this rank please Become an eBay Power Seller within 24 hours ---------------------------------------------------------- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41137	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 7/26/2006
Subject: Fw: SP91011 - Your recent report to eBay's Trust and Safety Departm

Roy, I did write to Ebay and I copied the text of the email. The person below did not seem too concern about it, as he did ask for the entire email, in maybe checking out the sender's email address. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "eBay Customer Support" <mwebhelp@...> To: "mlmarmer" <mlmarmer@...> Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2006 9:26 PM Subject: RE: SP91011 - Your recent report to eBay's Trust and Safety Department. (KMM33934615V77161L0KM) Hello, Thank you for writing to eBay regarding the email you received. Emails such as this, commonly referred to as "spoof" or "phished" messages, are sent in an attempt to collect sensitive personal or financial information from the recipients. The email you reported was not sent by eBay. We have reported this email to the appropriate authorities. In the future, be very cautious of any email that asks you to submit information such as your credit card numbers or passwords. If you are ever concerned about an email you receive from eBay, simply follow these steps: 1. Open a new Web browser and type www.ebay.com into your browser address field to go directly to the eBay site. 2. On eBay, click on the "My eBay" link at the top of the page and sign into your account. 3. Check the "My Messages" link located on the left side of the My eBay page. If an email affects your eBay account, it's now in "My Messages." Any email sent to your registered eBay email address from eBay or from another eBay member via eBay's member-to-member communication system will also appear in "My Messages." Just remember, if you get an email regarding a problem with your account or that is requesting personal information, and the email looks like it is from eBay, please check My Messages first. If it's not there, it's a fake email. If you still have any doubt about whether an email message is from eBay, please forward it to spoof@... immediately. Do not respond to it or click any of the links. Do not remove the original subject line or change the email in any way when you forward it to eBay. If you have already entered sensitive personal information, financial information, or your password into a Web site based on a request from a spoofed email, you should take immediate action to protect your identity and all of your online accounts. We have developed an eBay Help page with valuable information regarding the steps you should take to protect yourself. http://pages.ebay.com/help/tp/isgw-account-theft-reporting.html To review eBay's new tutorial about Spoof Emails, please see the following Web page: http://pages.ebay.com/education/spooftutorial/ To help you better protect yourself from fake eBay and PayPal Web sites, we have developed a feature for the eBay Toolbar called "Account Guard." Account Guard includes an indicator of when you are on an eBay or PayPal Web site or a known spoof (or "phishing") site, buttons to report fake eBay Web sites, and a password notification feature that warns you when you may be entering your eBay password on an unverified site. To learn more about the eBay Toolbar with Account Guard, please go to www.ebay.com, click on "Downloads" at the bottom of the page, and then click on the "eBay Toolbar" link. We also recommend that you keep your browser, operating system, and virus protection software up to date. Check for updates at the "Windows Update" link on www.microsoft.com and scan your computer for viruses often. Once again, thank you for alerting us to the spoof email you received. Your efforts help keep eBay a safe and fair place to trade. Regards, Ande eBay SafeHarbor Investigations Team ______________________________ eBay The World's Online Marketplace! ® ******************************************* Important: eBay will not ask you for sensitive personal information (such as your password, credit card and bank account numbers, Social Security numbers, etc.) in an email. Learn more account protection tips at: http://pages.ebay.com/help/confidence/isgw-account-theft-protection.html _____________________________________________ For our latest announcements, please check: http://www2.ebay.com/aw/announce.shtml _____________________________________________ In order to better serve you, we'd like to occasionally request feedback on our service. If you would rather not participate, please click on the link below and send us an email with the word "REMOVE" in the subject line. If that does not work, please send an email to the email address below. Your request will be processed within 5 days. mailto:cssremove@... *******************************************

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41138	From: Phil K	Date: 7/26/2006
Subject: Kudos to SHS, Don and Robin and CTT

Don't miss the glowing review of Don's Consolidation loco in the September issue of Classic Toy Trains (page 74). Bob Keller wrote an excellent piece, one of the very few reviews he's done where he lists NO CONS! Great photos, too! Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41139	From: John Keating	Date: 7/26/2006
Subject: Re: AFCC BUT WHEN ??

Regarding the re-start of the AFCC, sometime ago I posted a message seeking anyone with the desire to re-start the AFCC should perhaps think of using a net based club to test the waters or operate in that fashion; there has been no response. If any list members should like to try this venue, please let me know and I will provide what support that I can. We are in need for the return of the AFCC. Regards, John Keating [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41140	From: beebear	Date: 7/26/2006
Subject: EBay emails - off subject - end the complaints

Ok this is a train chat not the EBay complaint department For those of you who get Emails from EBay or Pay Pal ..... you can FORWARD the entire message to spoof@... or spoof@... and within several minutes they will return a message to verify if it is ok or junk Lets get back to trains!! John [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41141	From: Mike Rosz	Date: 7/26/2006
Subject: Re: Sunday Chat, 7/23/2006, 8:00 pm

When is this chat?????????????????/ Where is this Chat???????????????????????????? How is this chat run????????????????????//// I cannot find it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Can you explain that????????????????????????????????????????????????/ On 23 Jul 2006 00:00:04 -0000 S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes: Reminder from the Calendar of S-Trains Sunday Chat Sunday July 23, 2006 8:00 pm - 11:00 pm This event repeats every week. The next reminder for this event will be sent in 23 hours. Event Location: http://s-scale.org/forum/ Street: http://s-scale.org/forum/ Notes: http://s-scale.org/forum/ ADVERTISEMENT Copyright © 2006 Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved. Privacy Policy - Terms of Service [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41142	From: Phil K	Date: 7/26/2006
Subject: Updating the updates on Sgt. Ben Thompson

>>Hello, everyone; Just a quick update on Ben. He has not yet been flown to the states. His blood counts were not coming up after the aneurysm, so he was given a scan at a civilian hospital in Germany to determine if there was still a leaking blood vessel. There was not, but they are holding him in Germany until the blood counts are better to be on the safe side. He may be brought home either today, Friday or Sunday depending upon his progress. They want to be sure he is stable before the long flight to the States. Kind regards, Will Holt<<

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41143	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 7/26/2006
Subject: Re: EBay emails - off subject - end the complaints

Hi John, I think it should be fine to alert others of any strange emails from "PayPal" or "Ebay", as Ebay is a way for many of us to see what is going on in the train market. I feel that this is train related, as talking about trains, takes many different angles, whether about a product, a technique, how we find products, etc. Although, we should never respond to a any emails like that, you never know who on this list might fall for these pranks. I think it is a good thing, to look out for each in other in our train buying ways. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41144	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 7/26/2006
Subject: Re: EBay emails - off subject - end the complaints

I THINK MIKE WAS SIMPLY GIVING US A HEADS UP WARNING.. THAANKS.... BOB ----- Original Message ----- From: beebear To: S-group Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2006 3:29 AM Subject: [S-Trains] EBay emails - off subject - end the complaints Ok this is a train chat not the EBay complaint department For those of you who get Emails from EBay or Pay Pal ..... you can FORWARD the entire message to spoof@... or spoof@... and within several minutes they will return a message to verify if it is ok or junk Lets get back to trains!! John [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41145	From: Phil K	Date: 7/26/2006
Subject: Re: EBay emails - off subject - end the complaints

From the responses above and the offline emails I'm getting, I think the majority position on this topic is that most of us like to warn the other members of our little community -- and be warned ourselves about the growing number of Internet scams. For anyone who cares not to receive such missives, I suggest that you shut off the option of receiving all S-Trains messages by email and come to the main Yahoo board to do your reading. That way, you get an idea of what the subject is -- even if off-topic -- and then you can just skip if. Although, I feel it is not that great of an inconvenience to open up a non-personally relevant email from this board once in awhile. If you want to blame some for Mike's posting, blame me. I was the moderator who approved it. Phil K *************************************************************** --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "beebear" <beebear@...> wrote: > > Ok this is a train chat not the EBay complaint department > > For those of you who get Emails from EBay or Pay Pal ..... you can > FORWARD the entire message to > > spoof@... or spoof@... and within several minutes > > they will return a message to verify if it is ok or junk > > Lets get back to trains!! > > John > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41146	From: muniman18	Date: 7/26/2006
Subject: back on line

Evening everyone finally back on line total crash needed a newset up have to enter all links etc etc I am a passive user of this group I read all the time `and gained wealth of knowledge drawing on all what you people know.the replies from Stumpy are both funny and informative..Barb was great with my stupid questions i could go on and on....But... the things on it lately are drawn out and mundane ...same old same old Ebay Ebay who cares just turned 66 maybe i'm getting grumpy... Phil keep the reports coming re ROBIN and Don's son Myprayers are with them Mike

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41147	From: frank emiro	Date: 7/26/2006
Subject: Re: AFCC BUT WHEN ??

John, I for one am all for it. You and Jerry M. should chat. I am glad that maybe I may have got a ball rolling. Maybe a better term is getting AFCC on TRACK. I will be away for a short time but will check on the status of AFCC. Frank in N.H.. John Keating <john_keating@...> wrote: Regarding the re-start of the AFCC, sometime ago I posted a message seeking anyone with the desire to re-start the AFCC should perhaps think of using a net based club to test the waters or operate in that fashion; there has been no response. If any list members should like to try this venue, please let me know and I will provide what support that I can. We are in need for the return of the AFCC. Regards, John Keating [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41148	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 7/26/2006
Subject: Re: EBay emails - off subject - end the complaints

Phil, I thought this was a item that was fine to write about, since again, many of us, use Ebay. I already got some emails in private, taking me to task, as I feel, that is pretty sad to do. I hope I was able to do some good, for those who use Ebay for train buying, as that is train related, ebay and trains. If you don't like something that was allowed to be posted on the site, just delete and move on. Just because you have no interest in something, does not mean someone else does not, if the message was approved. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41149	From: beebear	Date: 7/26/2006
Subject: Re: EBay emails - off subject - end the complaints

Hello All Please forgive me if I sounded like I was upset over the EBay emails It just seemed things were headed that direction. I am sorry if I have upset anyone. John Frankforther

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41150	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 7/26/2006
Subject: Re: EBay emails - off subject - end the complaints

Bob, Yes, that all I was doing and I did not mean to stir up anyone. That was all. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41151	From: Gregg	Date: 7/26/2006
Subject: Re: Flyonel 6-48136 Sante Fe PA1 B unit

Hi Jerry I posted the same problem about 4-5 months ago. I ended up sending it back to "L" for repair. They said nothing was wrong, that is operated as expected due the extra weight of the sound unit. However, they did make some adjustment so I can pull it with a single dual motor PA power unit now. Still frustrating though! Good luck! Let us know how you make out. Gregg Mummert --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Jerry Matsick" <mtoytrain@...> wrote: > > Just purchased a brand new in the sealed box Sante Fe B unit with > Railsounds. The Railsounds are great. However, the unit drags and > hardly rolls on the track, in fact it burned up the matching powered > A unit. What can be done to improve the sluggishness or the poor > roll of the unit??? Any suggestions appreciated. > > Jerry Matsick >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41152	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 7/27/2006
Subject: Re: EBay emails - off subject - end the complaints

John, Valid concern and things are fine. Mis-understandings happen and then we clear it up and move on. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: beebear To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2006 5:51 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: EBay emails - off subject - end the complaints Hello All Please forgive me if I sounded like I was upset over the EBay emails It just seemed things were headed that direction. I am sorry if I have upset anyone. John Frankforther [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41153	From: Jay E. Mellon	Date: 7/27/2006
Subject: NASG Convention

All, In response to Bill Wade's post, I certainly hope there is a good turnout for this event, after all the work the SMSG organizing committee has put into it. I know I will be there. On a separate issue, I plan to arrive on Tuesday evening (8/1) by Amtrak. My ETA is about 9:00 pm. If anyone else on this list has similar plans, do you want to share a taxi to the convention hotel? If yes, please respond offline. Thanks. Jay Mellon Stoneville, MS

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41154	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 7/28/2006
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} NASG Convention

Dear Bill, Thank you for the kind words for my son Benjamin. He is still in Germany, but expect to be back in the US this weekend. Last night I contacted the hosts of our convention to let them know that I will be unable to attend. Although I will be very happy to see our son again, I truly regret not seeing all of our friends in Pontiac. Jeff Wilson of Hoquat Hobbies will be picking up samples of some of our new products and will be displaying them at his tables. Two of our Tsunami DCC equipped 2-8-0 will be operating on Brooks Stover's home layout. Pres Sam McCoy has another that he may be bringing to operate on a DCC layout if one is at the convention. I am sure our dealer network at the convention will have lots of our products so I am sure we will still be well represented. Best regards, Don Bill wrote: >...Not sure the schedule below will exactly hold out, but most importantly, our heart felt prayers are for the Don Thompson family, [Son, Staff Sgt. Benjamin Thompson] in this time of need. > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41155	From: dr21244	Date: 7/28/2006
Subject: Re: Selling AF Collection

Hi Flyer fans, I've been thinking about selling my colllection, This has been a hard thing to do but, due to things that have happened it looks like its coming. I don't want to resort to E-bay so, I'm wondering if any of you have any suggestions. Thank You Don Rodgers

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41156	From: lynnshouse2000	Date: 7/28/2006
Subject: Track Question

I am not trying to start a poll but need information from the users of the various track systems available in S. I am fairly new to S having acquired an assortment of Flyer, American Models, and S Helper cars and locomotives. Everything I have is Hi-rail. At present I have a good bit of Flyer track and some old Gargraves turnouts. I am planning to begin building a permanent layout in the next year and am wondering about track. I would like a larger radius than the AF curved for mainline use. I am interested in the AM track due to their 27" radius sectional curves. This would allow me to build an HO "Snap Track" type 4'x8' plan in a 6'x12' area. This is about as large as I can visualize building without becoming a maintenance headache. Those who have experience with other track lines let me know what you think. I am looking for pros and cons so I can make an informed decision. As we all know track can be a fairly large investment. I am wanting to get the best bang for my buck. Thanks in advance for your thoughts. Lynn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41157	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 7/28/2006
Subject: Re: Link Couplers - Problem

All of my Gilbert AF passenger cars I have link couplers, I have a problem with two cars that on a certain spot on the layout going thru a S curve that they uncouple? Both couplers look aok, but can't figure out what causes the uncoupling. "Help!" Jerry Matsick Jax S Ville

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41158	From: Bill Porter	Date: 7/28/2006
Subject: Re: Selling AF Collection

Hi Don, There is a Yahoo Group for just that purpose. It is named AvailableSgauge. Members can list items for sale or items they wish to buy. Terms of any sale are up to the parties involved. I have sold some cars through the contacts on that list and been very pleased with the results. I suspect that with the NASG convention, buying and selling will be a little slow for a week or two. Good Luck, Bill Reply from Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of dr21244 Sent: Friday, July 28, 2006 2:55 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] RE: Selling AF Collection Hi Flyer fans, I've been thinking about selling my colllection, This has been a hard thing to do but, due to things that have happened it looks like its coming. I don't want to resort to E-bay so, I'm wondering if any of you have any suggestions. Thank You Don Rodgers [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41159	From: Roy Inman	Date: 7/28/2006
Subject: Re: Selling AF Collection

How about the new S yahoo list designated just for selling? Roy Inman From: dr21244 <drmusic244@...> Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 18:54:57 +0000 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] RE: Selling AF Collection Hi Flyer fans, I've been thinking about selling my colllection, This has been a hard thing to do but, due to things that have happened it looks like its coming. I don't want to resort to E-bay so, I'm wondering if any of you have any suggestions. Thank You Don Rodgers [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41160	From: louis glumac	Date: 7/28/2006
Subject: PLASTICVILLE FOR SALE

HI,large amount of plasticville for sale,email me at lglumac@... for list,thanks Lou [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41161	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 7/28/2006
Subject: Re;Track Question

Lynn, I'm partial to the sectional and flex track made by S Helper Service. It's a high quality, good looking track with scale size ties and weathered rail. It is the lowest rail profile to reliably operate Flyer compatable wheel flanges and the switches have a movable frog so just about anything will go through them without derailing. The flex track would allow you to make any radius curve you want to. Now the downside...it's kind of expensive. In sectional track there are uncoupling and accessory activation tracks, but no crossovers and selection of switches and curve radius' are somewhat limited. In flex track, switches are made by another vendor. Like you, I used old American Flyer and Gargraves to start with. I sampled the products of a couple other manufacturers at the S Spree a couple years ago. I decided to spend the extra bucks and buy S Helper track. My display mini layout uses the flex track for 15" radius curves and the sectional switches. It has run many hours with no problems and a variety of locos and rolling stock. My home layout (still unfinished) is all S Helper sectional track. Stumpy Stone Martins Ferry, OH.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41162	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 7/28/2006
Subject: Re: Selling AF Collection

The new list would be nice ...... just hinnk over 10,000 e-mails...... I think what he wants is ideas to sell a large collection..... I would like someone to offer me a good offer..... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: Roy Inman To: dr21244 ; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 28, 2006 7:20 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: Selling AF Collection How about the new S yahoo list designated just for selling? Roy Inman From: dr21244 <drmusic244@...> Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 18:54:57 +0000 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] RE: Selling AF Collection Hi Flyer fans, I've been thinking about selling my colllection, This has been a hard thing to do but, due to things that have happened it looks like its coming. I don't want to resort to E-bay so, I'm wondering if any of you have any suggestions. Thank You Don Rodgers [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41163	From: Roy Inman	Date: 7/29/2006
Subject: FW: AF track new stuff-correction

Whoops!! In my haste I said 54" radius, when I should have said 54" diameter. Mia culpa :( Roy Inman ---------- From: Roy Inman <rinphoto@...> Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2006 01:10:57 -0500 To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Subject: AF track new stuff Holy cow Batman, Lionel now lists AF track in the 2006 catalog #2 !! Including 54" radius, no less. Please, please pardon the implied profanity, but surely h--- must be freezing over. I wonder if rubber roadbed is in the cards down the road? How about a new transformer dedicated to AF? But coming back down to Earth for a moment, how does the $3.45 per section of curved or per section of 10" track compare in price with the only other recent AF (sorta) track produced by K-Line? The 30" section is $9.45. Guess it doesn't make much difference: if we want it we pay the price. www.lionel.com Roy Inman [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41164	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 7/29/2006
Subject: Re: Lionel 2006 Catalog Volume 2 Slim Picking

Only good announcement was the addition of another UP Northern, done in UP Gray with Elephant ears otherwise, very few new addtions. Thankful for S Helper and American Model trains for a complete selection of Engines and Cars.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41165	From: Roy Inman	Date: 7/29/2006
Subject: AF track new stuff

Holy cow Batman, Lionel now lists AF track in the 2006 catalog #2 !! Including 54" radius, no less. Please, please pardon the implied profanity, but surely h--- must be freezing over. I wonder if rubber roadbed is in the cards down the road? How about a new transformer dedicated to AF? But coming back down to Earth for a moment, how does the $3.45 per section of curved or per section of 10" track compare in price with the only other recent AF (sorta) track produced by K-Line? The 30" section is $9.45. Guess it doesn't make much difference: if we want it we pay the price. www.lionel.com Roy Inman [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41166	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 7/29/2006
Subject: The National Convention - next week

I think we have a few good clinics lined up for the convention in Pontiac next week. There has to be one or two subjects you'd like to know more about. Here's the list as it stands today. CLINICS Thursday 3 August 2006 8.00 AM - "Scratch-building S Scale Turnouts" by Dick Karnes. Learn how to build DCC-compatible open-frog scale turnouts to NASG standards without special tools or jigs. 9.30 AM - "Narrow Gauge Modelling in S" (or "what's this Sn3 all about?") by Roy Hoffman. Roy will give an over-view of 3-foot gauge railroads and how they're modelled in S, with focus on the East Broad Top. The EBT is located near Roy's home in Pennsylvania, and he has incorporated many of its features into his home layout. 11.00 AM - "Welcome to this Convention" by Roy Hoffman. Especially for those for whom this will be their first NASG convention. Roy says, The Newcomers Clinic was conceived because some of the first-timers felt a bit left-out and alone at times. The clinic gave folks a warm welcome to the convention and pointed them to others with their own S interests. It might be interesting to note that all of the attendees to the clinic both years I did it (2002 and 2003) were hi-railers. My being a hi-railer for many years helped me orient the clinic to them. However, they were very interested in hearing about Sn3, as it was new to them. 12.30 PM - "The Urban Scene as a Modelling Theme" by Mr Lynn Wells. Lynn says I attempt to model the Pennsylvania Railroad in "O"Scale, and have always found the industrial nature of the city to be fascinating. I have frequently entertained the idea of modeling an early "transition era" Pennsylvania RR in metro-Detroit, as it services Detroit's industrial base and as it interchanges or interacts with other Detroit railroads: New York Central, C&O, Pere Marquette, DT&I, Wabash, Grand Trunk, the Shore Line, Norfolk & Western, Detroit Terminal ... and so on. 2.00 PM - "Structures from Paper" by Mr Lynn Wells. Lynn says This clinic focuses on using inexpensive, everyday materials - such as paper and cardboard - to help produce contest quality models. Cardboard and paper are another alternative that modelers should consider for modeling projects. While window castings, strip wood and cast architectural details may, of course, still be used -- paper and cardboard offer a very inexpensive but highly versatile medium for constructing very detailed and robust model buildings, sidewalks and other scenic structures. As an example, Upson board, which can be purchased in 4 foot by 8 foot sheets, at thicknesses of up to 1/4 inch, is an outstanding material for large building wall sections. 3.30 PM - "Atmosphere Modeling" Ed Loizeaux shows how he recreates the atmosphere, ambiance, and look & feel of the prototype rather than an exact replica. (Ed's New York Central S scale railroad was in Kalmbach's 2005 Great Model Railroads.) 5.00 PM - "A General Introduction to S Scale Modelling" by Ed Loizeaux. There are always new modellers in S, and this is where they can get some of their basic questions answered. 6.30 PM - "Passenger Train Operation - Extend Your Operating Possibilities" by Roger Perry. Roger is a well known Detroit area HO modeller, and he will talk about operating, not just running, local passenger trains pre-Amtrak. 8.00 PM - "New York Central's Boxcars" By Jeff English. Jeff will go into detail on the distinct features that make NYC's boxcars different from those of other roads. He will touch on modelling them in S, but that will not be the primary focus of his talk. 9.30 PM - "S Scale Yahoo Group Get-Together" conducted by Bill Fraley. Not exactly a clinic, but f you're a member of the Yahoo S Scale discussion group on in internet, this is your chance to meet face to face with other members. Dick Karnes, Lee Johnson and Wally Collins will talk about the good old days. Friday 4 August 2006 8.00 AM - "Backdrops for Dummies" by Jim Martin. The clinic will illustrate how to paint a simple, general purpose backdrop using cheap brushes and acrylic craft paint. 9.30 AM - "Carferry Service on the Straits of Mackinaw" by Jamie Bothwell. : This clinic will give a brief history of all ferry service in Michigan, and will focus on the service across the Straits between the tips of Upper and Lower Michigan. Service here had a long and colorful history. The boats that provided the service occasionally provided other service, and the railroads that fed the boats changed over the years. All in all, an interesting operation. Modeling suggestions will be included. 11.00 AM - "Gilbert's 3/16" Scale American Flyer O Gauge, the Predecessor to Postwar S Gauge" by BobBubeck. Bob will have examples of these O Gauge AF trains and will show pictures from pre-war catalogues as well. 12.30 PM - "Digital Photography" by Bob Werre. Most of us are using digital cameras now or plan to do so, so let's have a professional photographer show us a few things we probably didn't know, as well as review the basics for those contemplating this major purchase. 2.00 PM - "Ladies Clinic I" by Linda Sims. Learn to make your own beaded jewelry with glass beads, polished stone beads, and a sterling silver clasp. We will provide the materials. 3.30 PM - "Care and Cleaning and Repair of American Flyer Trains" by John Heck. As well helpful hints in maintaining, cleaning, and repairing American Flyer equipment, a 'live repair' may be performed. AF owners planning to attend who have problematic AF locos or cars may contact John ahead of time ( 262 / 238 - 1885 )and describe the problem. If John says "that's a good one, bring it," he will attempt to fix it as part of the clinic. 5.00 PM - "100 Years of American Flyer" by Andy Jugle. Andy will review the history of the American Flyer name in all its incarnations over the past century. 6.30 PM - "Hands-on Brass Soldering" by Andrew Mallette. Andy's plans to have the participants make a semaphore had to be cancelled, but he will still do a general soldering clinic. If you have a project that involves soldering, bring it along, and the appropriate tools (soldering iron &c), and you'll come away with some helpful tips on this essential aspect of model building. 8.00 PM - "Breaking down and making up trains the prototype way", by Terry Harrison. Terry is an avid participant in model RR operating sessions. He will present an overall look at how the real railroad breaks down inbound trains and the proper way to sort cars in yard for their next destination. Also covered will be the blocking of outbound trains and proper placement of hazmat cars in trains. He will also explain the difference between "blocking" and "placement." Saturday 5 August 2006 11.00 AM - "Quantitative Track Planning Analysis - A Tribute to John Armstrong" by Vic Cherven. Mr Armstrong was one of Vic's modeling heroes. Vic says "I have used my scientific background to develop a method for analyzing track plans that I think is pretty neat. It is a way to help clarify the balance between main line operation, yard switching, and industrial work. 12.30 PM - Ladies Clinic II by You'll sand and paint a wood keepsake box, and then you may decorate it with your own creative touches. We will provide the materials. 2.00 PM - "Modern Intermodal" by Tom Hawley. There are really only two S scale cars available in the mass market today that could be called modern intermodal, but Tom will illustrate a few more things that can be done with a little imagination and initiative. It is hoped that participants will join Tom in bringing and talking about anything illustrative of the subject. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41167	From: David Dewey	Date: 7/29/2006
Subject: New Flyonel online

Hi all, The new L Cat 2 is online now, at www.lionel.com. Mosty a relisting of stuff, like the Docksiders, tie car, and track gang from Cat 1. The new grey UP Northern with elephant ears is shown--BTW the side view also is mising that tender step and the handrails, guess the mock-up shop was in a hurry for the pics. There is one interesting item: they list track! No pictures, and the listing seems to be the K-line S track (looks almost like a last-minute addition). So there ya go! S' David D. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41168	From: Roy Inman	Date: 7/29/2006
Subject: Re: Lionel 2006 Catalog Volume 2 Slim Picking

What about the new Flyonel S gauge track? Scroll down to the bottom of the FEF page and there it is, 54" diameter, 10" straights and 30" straights. Roy Inman From: Jerry Matsick <mtoytrain@...> Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2006 12:33:27 +0000 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] re: Lionel 2006 Catalog Volume 2 Slim Picking Only good announcement was the addition of another UP Northern, done in UP Gray with Elephant ears otherwise, very few new addtions. Thankful for S Helper and American Model trains for a complete selection of Engines and Cars. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41169	From: Scott Holm	Date: 7/29/2006
Subject: Re: AF track new stuff

Do you suppose they made a mistake about the length of the long straights? The K-line long staights that I have are 36 inches, not 30 inches. Roy Inman <rinphoto@...> wrote: Holy cow Batman, Lionel now lists AF track in the 2006 catalog #2 !! Including 54" radius, no less. Please, please pardon the implied profanity, but surely h--- must be freezing over. I wonder if rubber roadbed is in the cards down the road? How about a new transformer dedicated to AF? But coming back down to Earth for a moment, how does the $3.45 per section of curved or per section of 10" track compare in price with the only other recent AF (sorta) track produced by K-Line? The 30" section is $9.45. Guess it doesn't make much difference: if we want it we pay the price. www.lionel.com Roy Inman [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail Beta. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41170	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 7/29/2006
Subject: Fw: Cathleen Carver has just sent you $15.00 USD with PayPal

I think this is another Paypal scam. Be careful, as I am sure this is a trick to click on, as many of you use papal. I hope this does not upset anyone, that I sent this out. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: Customer Support Sent: Friday, July 28, 2006 8:26 PM Subject: Cathleen Carver has just sent you $15.00 USD with PayPal Protect Your Account Info Make sure you never provide your password to fraudulent websites. To safely and securely access the PayPal website or your account, open a new web browser (e.g. Internet Explorer or Netscape) and type in the PayPal URL (https://www.paypal.com/us/) to be sure you are on the real PayPal site. PayPal will never ask you to enter your password in an email. For more information on protecting yourself from fraud, please review our Security Tips at https://www.paypal.com/us/securitytips Protect Your Password You should never give your PayPal password to anyone, including PayPal employees. Dear Gregory A Mancill, Cathleen Carver just sent you money with PayPal. Cathleen Carver is an Unverified buyer. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Payment Details Amount: $15.00 USD Transaction ID: 1J508195BL829544J View the details of this transaction online -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thank you for using PayPal! The PayPal Team PayPal Email ID PP274 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41171	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 7/29/2006
Subject: Sunday Chat, 7/30/2006, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 41172	From: trainrns@aol.com	Date: 7/29/2006
Subject: American Flyer

Hello, I saw your post that you might be selling your A.F. trains. I buy large collections if you are interested. Thank you, Rob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41173	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 7/29/2006
Subject: Fw: NASG Convention

from another list. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jay E. Mellon To: s-scale@yahoogroups.com ; s-trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 6:30 PM Subject: {S-Scale List} NASG Convention All, In response to Bill Wade's post, I certainly hope there is a good turnout for this event, after all the work the SMSG organizing committee has put into it. I know I will be there. On a separate issue, I plan to arrive on Tuesday evening (8/1) by Amtrak. My ETA is about 9:00 pm. If anyone else on this list has similar plans, do you want to share a taxi to the convention hotel? If yes, please respond offline. Thanks. Jay Mellon Stoneville, MS [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41174	From: Eric R.	Date: 7/29/2006
Subject: Re: Reply to potential Pay-Pal scam info email

Mike: I don't really mind that you put these on the list but PLEASE change the subject line to something like "potential paypal scam" or something just as we agreed long ago to put "ebay" in the line or "For Sale" if we were writing about one of those things. It just makes it easier for those of us that don't want to read them to delete them quicker. As a note: I have been using EBAY and PAYPAL for about 6 years without ever having a problem with lost info or scams or anything. I get these sorts of emails about twice a month and ALWAYS delete them without ever picking on any of the pick here items. If they are legitimately from ebay/paypal you can open a new browser and log into your account and find any messages from them. Thanks Eric Reis Kenmore, WA. -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael and Linda Marmer Sent: Friday, July 28, 2006 5:52 PM To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com; Toy Trains; Ralph Loveless Subject: [S-Trains] Fw: Cathleen Carver has just sent you $15.00 USD with PayPal Importance: High I think this is another Paypal scam. Be careful, as I am sure this is a trick to click on, as many of you use papal. I hope this does not upset anyone, that I sent this out. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: Customer Support Sent: Friday, July 28, 2006 8:26 PM Subject: Cathleen Carver has just sent you $15.00 USD with PayPal Protect Your Account Info Make sure you never provide your password to fraudulent websites. To safely and securely access the PayPal website or your account, open a new web browser (e.g. Internet Explorer or Netscape) and type in the PayPal URL (https://www. <https://www.paypal.com/us/> paypal.com/us/) to be sure you are on the real PayPal site. PayPal will never ask you to enter your password in an email. For more information on protecting yourself from fraud, please review our Security Tips at https://www. <https://www.paypal.com/us/securitytips> paypal.com/us/securitytips Protect Your Password You should never give your PayPal password to anyone, including PayPal employees. Dear Gregory A Mancill, Cathleen Carver just sent you money with PayPal. Cathleen Carver is an Unverified buyer. ---------------------------------------------------------- Payment Details Amount: $15.00 USD Transaction ID: 1J508195BL829544J View the details of this transaction online ---------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------- Thank you for using PayPal! The PayPal Team PayPal Email ID PP274 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41175	From: Roy Inman	Date: 7/29/2006
Subject: Re: AF track new stuff

Now you mention it, my K-Line long straits are 36". And one would assume that since Lionel just took over K-Line and now, all of a sudden is making S track, that Lionel would be using the...whatever K-Line used to make S track. Roy Inman From: Scott Holm <imsscott@...> Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2006 10:07:05 -0700 (PDT) To: s-trains <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF track new stuff Do you suppose they made a mistake about the length of the long straights? The K-line long staights that I have are 36 inches, not 30 inches. Roy Inman <rinphoto@... <mailto:rinphoto%40everestkc.net> > wrote: Holy cow Batman, Lionel now lists AF track in the 2006 catalog #2 !! Including 54" radius, no less. Please, please pardon the implied profanity, but surely h--- must be freezing over. I wonder if rubber roadbed is in the cards down the road? How about a new transformer dedicated to AF? But coming back down to Earth for a moment, how does the $3.45 per section of curved or per section of 10" track compare in price with the only other recent AF (sorta) track produced by K-Line? The 30" section is $9.45. Guess it doesn't make much difference: if we want it we pay the price. www.lionel.com Roy Inman [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail Beta. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41176	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 7/30/2006
Subject: Re: Reply to potential Pay-Pal scam info email

Eric, Good idea, to give a heads up, as I know "some" do not like these Ebay emails, no matter what it is about with Ebay. But is a part of train buying, as I have gotten a ton of these from Ebay and Paypal the last 2 weeks. You are lucky not to be getting any like these, as someone might fall for it. Thanks for the idea, I will try to remember it. Since I got a email from Portland, Oregon, and I said GO BEAVERS, to Al, I will close with GO HUSKIES! for you. O:)! Equal Opportunity College Mascot Greeter. Go Terps! Mike Marmer Germantown, MD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41177	From: Roy Inman	Date: 7/30/2006
Subject: Lehigh Valley model kits

Hi all; anyone know if Lehigh Valley model kits is still around? Cheers :) Roy Inman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41178	From: Phil K	Date: 7/30/2006
Subject: Sgt. Ben Thompson coming home

From Will Holt, with edits, sent to me Friday, my fault for the delay: >>Hello, everyone! This is the update on Ben. He [was to be] flown from Germany [yesterday] and will now be sent to Bethesda Naval Hospital. There they will evaluate his situation, especially the bullet fragments in his neck. This examination will determine whether they will operate on his neck to remove them or not. Don and Robin should be able to visit with him [today]. They will know now by early next week. They now have a Congressman who is working on getting Ben's wife (Sprite; she is Thai) into the country to be with Ben. Should be able to let you know more next week. Kind regards, Will<<

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41179	From: John Foley	Date: 7/30/2006
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Lehigh Valley model kits

Hi Roy Try Lehigh Valley Models / Phil Kehr 308 Indian Rock Dam Rd. York, Pa. 17403 717 747 0493 John Email: kpbrick@... ----- Original Message ----- From: Roy Inman To: S-Scale ; S-trains Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2006 13:56 Subject: {S-Scale List} Lehigh Valley model kits Hi all; anyone know if Lehigh Valley model kits is still around? Cheers :) Roy Inman [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41180	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 7/30/2006
Subject: Re: Reply to potential Pay-Pal scam info email

The spam I love is the one where some one is dying of cancer and has only six months to live and they do not want their relation to get their grubby hands on the the 40 million dollars this person has and they want you give them a account number so they can send it to you. You get to keep 10 million and you pass the rest to some one else. As many of these I have received I could have billions by now. That would let me make all the S Scale models anyone could want. S Scale train content Thank you Larry Jackman Boca Raton FL ljack70117@... On Jul 29, 2006, at 11:51 PM, Michael and Linda Marmer wrote: > Eric, > > Good idea, to give a heads up, as I know "some" do not like these > Ebay emails, no matter what it is about with Ebay. > > But is a part of train buying, as I have gotten a ton of these from > Ebay and Paypal the last 2 weeks. You are lucky not to be getting > any like these, as someone might fall for it. > > Thanks for the idea, I will try to remember it. > > Since I got a email from Portland, Oregon, and I said GO BEAVERS, > to Al, I will close with GO HUSKIES! for you. O:)! Equal > Opportunity College Mascot Greeter. > > Go Terps! > Mike Marmer > Germantown, MD > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41181	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 7/30/2006
Subject: Re: Reply to potential Pay-Pal scam info email

Me.... I notice the gal pics as I am deleting that junk.... how can a decent person do this.... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: ljack70117@... To: Michael and Linda Marmer Cc: s-trains list ; Ralph Loveless ; Eric R. Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2006 2:09 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Reply to potential Pay-Pal scam info email The spam I love is the one where some one is dying of cancer and has only six months to live and they do not want their relation to get their grubby hands on the the 40 million dollars this person has and they want you give them a account number so they can send it to you. You get to keep 10 million and you pass the rest to some one else. As many of these I have received I could have billions by now. That would let me make all the S Scale models anyone could want. S Scale train content Thank you Larry Jackman Boca Raton FL ljack70117@... On Jul 29, 2006, at 11:51 PM, Michael and Linda Marmer wrote: > Eric, > > Good idea, to give a heads up, as I know "some" do not like these > Ebay emails, no matter what it is about with Ebay. > > But is a part of train buying, as I have gotten a ton of these from > Ebay and Paypal the last 2 weeks. You are lucky not to be getting > any like these, as someone might fall for it. > > Thanks for the idea, I will try to remember it. > > Since I got a email from Portland, Oregon, and I said GO BEAVERS, > to Al, I will close with GO HUSKIES! for you. O:)! Equal > Opportunity College Mascot Greeter. > > Go Terps! > Mike Marmer > Germantown, MD > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41182	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 7/30/2006
Subject: GOOFED - FORGIVE ME

Sorry but I need to clarify that last post before you get the WRONG impression of me...... Just as the cashier at the store looks at me and sez HI !!! I usually reply "WISH I WAS!!!!!!".......I am thinking FLYING.... they are thinking........ ????..... The point.... I am on the Yahoo personals list and 3 times a week I get these pics of nice ladies looking for friends...... DUH..... Bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41183	From: ken garber	Date: 7/30/2006
Subject: Pontiac Convention Weather

Want to come prepared??? http://www.crh.noaa.gov/forecast/MapClick.php?CityName=Pontiac&state=MI&site=DTX [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41184	From: NASG Library	Date: 7/31/2006
Subject: Mobley Library closure

All -- The NASG's Russell M. Mobley Memorial Library will be closed from August 1 through August 7. We will reopen on August 8. Dick Karnes, Librarian

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41185	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 7/31/2006
Subject: Re: AF track new stuff

If I am correct, the original K-Line straights were 36 inches in length. However, since these were not compatible with regular straights (i.e., not a multiple of 10 inches), they were later reduced to 30 inches in length. I have copied Nick Ladd, former Director of Sales for K-Line, on this and will see him this weekend, so maybe he can clarify this situation. BTW, the prices, I believe, are the same as K-Line charged for long straights and WR curved sections. Joe Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613*9 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock; More than 1,300 part lines American Models ##### S-Helper Service ###### K-Line S Gauge joestrainrepair@... Master Card/Visa

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41186	From: Russ Dondero	Date: 7/31/2006
Subject: Flyonel Question

I saw the Flyonel UP 2-8-2 Mikado in Seattle last week. Looks great and runs nicely. Will all the bells and whistles (rail sounds etc) work without the TMCC system if one uses either the S-Helper or the AM models controller and/or AM's new transformer? If not, how much does the TMCC system cost? That's not indicated in the Lionel online catalog. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41187	From: Phil K	Date: 7/31/2006
Subject: The best news about Sgt. Ben Thompson so far

>>Hello, everyone! The news on Ben is good. He was flown to the state by commercial airline on Saturday. The fact that he could travel via commercial airline is a very good sign. He is currently in the "outpatient" housing at Bethesda Naval Hospital and can get around on his own. Don and Robin spent the day with him yesterday. His biggest problem upon arrival was that most of his belongs, including clothing, are still in Iraq, so the family went on a shopping trip for some new clothes yesterday. This morning he will start tests and evaluations at the hospital to determine the course of treatment. They will be determining what bone and bullet fragments will be removed, how to treat the mild paralysis in his cheek, the minor hearing loss on the wound side. It will be a couple of days before the test and evaluations are complete. There will be more news then. In the mean time, Don and Robin want you all to know how much they appreciate your support and patience. Kind regards, Will Holt<<

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41188	From: jimmack300	Date: 7/31/2006
Subject: Help with California Roadbed

About a month ago I placed an order for Homasote Roadbed with California Roadbed via their web site. Since my grandsons have given me a deadline on an expansion of the RR I need the roadbed rather urgently. I received an order acknoledgement on the 7Th of July.About two weeks ago I began trying to contact the company to find out about a shipping date. They have not responded to my e-mails and when I try to track the order number they gave me in the acknoledgement their website shows no record of it. since they do not list a phone number I can't call. I would cancell the order but I don't know how to get through to them. They make a nice product that I can buy from their distributors but I do not want to end up with twice as much as I need! Help Jim

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41189	From: Mark Preman	Date: 7/31/2006
Subject: American Flyer Trains for Sale - Your EBAY Altenative

The August list has been posted at http://www.americanflyertrains.com This list includes some of the mint/sealed stuff I mentioned earlier in the month - a little bit more yet to come. Your list sponsor and EBAY alternative! Mark Mark B. Preman AmericanFlyerTrains.com --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Next-gen email? Have it all with the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41190	From: Roy Inman	Date: 7/31/2006
Subject: Re: Flyonel Question

TMCC II system is $299.00 MSR. Roy Inman From: Russ Dondero <russtrainmax@...> Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 23:33:34 -0700 (PDT) To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Flyonel Question I saw the Flyonel UP 2-8-2 Mikado in Seattle last week. Looks great and runs nicely. Will all the bells and whistles (rail sounds etc) work without the TMCC system if one uses either the S-Helper or the AM models controller and/or AM's new transformer? If not, how much does the TMCC system cost? That's not indicated in the Lionel online catalog. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41191	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 7/31/2006
Subject: How do you clean bakelite transformer housings?

We had a discussion on the chat group last night concerning cleaning bakelite. My question was what is the best way to clean/polish bakelite transformer cases like the 30B? Also how were the white numbers applied? Were they painted on by hand? Applied by a pad, roller or what? What is the best way to re-paint the numbers? What is the best paint match? Color? Brand? The are a couple of articles on the Net but they mostly deal with restoring bakelite electronic housings (50s and 60s TV and radio cabinets) and vintage interior automobile bakelite trim pieces. These articles discuss shoe polish, car wax, very fine polishing rouges, buffing wheels, etc. But no one on the chat volunteered to be the guinea pig to try any of these methods (grin) on their transformers. If you have any experience cleaning or restoring bakelite transformer housings please share it with the group. Let us know what works and equally important what to avoid. Thanks in advance. BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41192	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 7/31/2006
Subject: Flyonel "Mikes" Question & offer

All the Railsounds work only with the TMCC controller set-up. Some work with a conventional transformer (bell, whistle, TowerCom, CrewCom for instance) Basic TMCC starter set at 147.99, in Vol I & II, 2006. Not in stock currently. Will give special pricing to anyone who happens to buy either the U P or S P Mikes still in stock. Was going to offer August pricing tomorow, but, EITHER UP or SP Mikes, most sealed in box, (one of each opened for display case) at $ 529.00 each, plus shipping & PA Tax if applicable. Jim Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41193	From: Robert Graves	Date: 7/31/2006
Subject: Re: How do you clean bakelite transformer housings?

There is a guy I have dealt with that rebuilds and restores transformers. He would know. I'll try to find his email address and send it to the group. --- Bull_Gator_1 <bull_gator_1@...> wrote: > We had a discussion on the chat group last night > concerning cleaning > bakelite. My question was what is the best way to > clean/polish > bakelite transformer cases like the 30B? Also how > were the white > numbers applied? Were they painted on by hand? > Applied by a pad, > roller or what? What is the best way to re-paint > the numbers? What is > the best paint match? Color? Brand? > > The are a couple of articles on the Net but they > mostly deal with > restoring bakelite electronic housings (50s and 60s > TV and radio > cabinets) and vintage interior automobile bakelite > trim pieces. These > articles discuss shoe polish, car wax, very fine > polishing rouges, > buffing wheels, etc. But no one on the chat > volunteered to be the > guinea pig to try any of these methods (grin) on > their transformers. > > If you have any experience cleaning or restoring > bakelite transformer > housings please share it with the group. Let us > know what works and > equally important what to avoid. > > Thanks in advance. > > BG1 > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41194	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 7/31/2006
Subject: Re: KLine Heinz 57 Box Car

Finally got hold of one of the "Baked Beans" box cars, as a former H. J. Heinz Company employee from back in the 1960s, I really wanted one of these as KLine "goofed" on the spelling of Pittsburg! Should read and to my knowledge the only burg around with H on the end is the Home of the World Champion super bowl Pittsburgh Steelers. Jerry Matsick Jax S Ville

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41195	From: Robert Graves	Date: 8/1/2006
Subject: Fwd: Re: [S-Trains] How do you clean bakelite transformer housings?

--- john isn't eddie anymore <druvnik@...> wrote: > Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 06:41:51 -0700 (PDT) > From: john isn't eddie anymore <druvnik@...> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] How do you clean bakelite > transformer housings? > To: Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> > > Bob-here's what I do-and I like the results, as do > my friends-clean the housing with Murphy's Oil Soap, > rinse and allow to dry. Buff out any scratches with > 600 wet-or-dry paper, then 1500. Hint-when you think > you're done, repeat! Use Bare Metal Foil brand > Plastic Polish to make it shine like new. I use > Noxon for the rear ID plate-just be careful around > the lettering. Finally, get a bottle of good old > fashioned Sneaker White-they still make it!-and, > using the applicator carefully (blot it and try on > something with similar raised lettering) re-do the > lettering on your tranny. The whole process can take > 8-10 hours, but the results are worth it-John > Marganski > > > --------------------------------- > Want to be your own boss? Learn how on Yahoo! Small > Business. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41196	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 8/1/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 3131

If one goes with the current TMCC system, it can be had for about $100 (give or take). The TMCC set includes the command base and a Cab-1 The new upcoming Legacy "TMCC2" system is not available until next year and will cost more ($300 MSRP), but this is not required for the current crop of AF Mikes. The purchase and use of TMCC to run the MIkado is a very worthwhile investment -- trust me on this. Hope this helps. Bob Bubeck In a message dated 8/1/2006 12:58:02 AM Eastern Daylight Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes: If not, how much does the TMCC system cost? That's not indicated in the Lionel online catalog. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41197	From: Phil K	Date: 8/1/2006
Subject: Tables going quickly for Fall S Fest

While everyone can still attend, sales tables in the Trading Room and tickets for the Saturday night banquet are going quickly for Fall S Fest in Chicago, Nov. 3-5. Both are limited and in short supply. The banquet features special guest speaker Carl Luecke, who played Corky in "The Boys Railroad Club." More info at the Chicagoland Association of S Gaugers website: http://www.trainweb.org/casg/ Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41198	From: Jim McCreery	Date: 8/1/2006
Subject: Re: Help with California Roadbed

Just an update on Caifornia Roadbed. I received a E-mail from Richard Jayne at Calroadbed that he was out of town because of a family health problems. He appologised for the delay and said my order was being shipped today----guess I went off too fast Jim [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41199	From: Bill Porter	Date: 8/1/2006
Subject: Classic Toy Trains Book

Hello Esteemed Colleagues, I just received a minor burn from an online sale. I bought a new book by Souter and Souter. The title is "Classic Toy Trains". It has information about American Flyer and other train makers. The information, pictures and text seem to be very good. Te burn comes from the fact that this is exactly the same book as "The American Toy Train" by the same authors. The title was changed and the thing republished. Every page, picture, reference and even the index are exactly the same. The only exceptions are the title page and the copyright page. If you already have one of them, you don't need to buy the other. Bill Porter Loxahatchee, Florida [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41200	From: Roy Inman	Date: 8/1/2006
Subject: Re: Help with California Roadbed

We all tend to want instant gratification, starting with me. Boy, if I can't find that TV remote things get pretty testy...well a little testy. I guess many of the suppliers we deal with, especially S suppliers, are cottage and/or mom and pop enterprises and don't have the staff to deal with problems on a 24~7 basis. My own impatience is why I took up S-Yoga. Sitting in a cross-legged position on my mat, I put an AM steamer on one knee, an SHS diesel on the other, and put an original Gilbert AF transformer right on the floor in front, turn it on and meditate on the hum. Very relaxing folks, very relaxing. Cheers :) Roy Inman From: Jim McCreery <jmccreery_1@...> Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2006 13:52:21 -0500 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Help with California Roadbed Just an update on Caifornia Roadbed. I received a E-mail from Richard Jayne at Calroadbed that he was out of town because of a family health problems. He appologised for the delay and said my order was being shipped today----guess I went off too fast Jim [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41201	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 8/1/2006
Subject: Re: LTI GP-9's BURLINGTON's FOR SALE

I have 3 Burlington GP-9's for sale. $230. Shipping included. Mike PS: Contact me off list [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41202	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/1/2006
Subject: Re: Help with California Roadbed

Jim, I am glad that you got the problem solved. But I am really glad you wrote about the roadbed, as I search google and found their website. Roadbed looks pretty good. Once I get my layout going, someday, I might use that product. Thanks for the heads up on that company, as I never knew about it. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41203	From: lember2004	Date: 8/1/2006
Subject: ? about running hayjector/tiejector on regular Gilbert AF track lay

If PikeMaster era hayjector or tiejector cars are run on regular [that is, not PikeMaster] Gilbert AF track, does the arm that sticks out of the cars interfer with or have trouble on re-railers, switches, track trips, etc? I'm hoping to introduce the 'jector cars to my layout and hence my question. As always, all help is much appreciated. Mark

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41204	From: donabrams@comcast.net	Date: 8/1/2006
Subject: New Lionel catalog

No one seems to have mentioned the "NEW" Alco RS3 in NYC lightning stripe livery. My dealer quoted a price of $85, so I preordered one. Must be based on the Baldwin chassis running gear, but what the heck! Does American Models or S helper make an RS3? Oh well, if it's Central -- I've gotta have it. Don Abrams

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41205	From: Phil K	Date: 8/1/2006
Subject: Re: Classic Toy Trains Book

Not to mention their book on American Flyer trains is extremely superficial and has beau coup mistakes. As in "quickly slapped together." Poor research. Inappropriate photography. IMHO, an effort to capitalize on our love for AF. And grab our dollars. Phil K >>>Hello Esteemed Colleagues, > > > > I just received a minor burn from an online sale. I bought a new book by > Souter and Souter. The title is "Classic Toy Trains". It has information > about American Flyer and other train makers. The information, pictures and > text seem to be very good. > > > > Te burn comes from the fact that this is exactly the same book as "The > American Toy Train" by the same authors. The title was changed and the thing > republished. Every page, picture, reference and even the index are exactly > the same. The only exceptions are the title page and the copyright page. > > > > If you already have one of them, you don't need to buy the other. > > > > Bill Porter > > Loxahatchee, Florida

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41206	From: Phil K	Date: 8/1/2006
Subject: Why no one is talking about the Alco RS3

It just may be because it is Lionel, not Flyonel... you know it runs on O27 track, right? Take another look at the catalog and you'll see it's sitting on three rails... Take heart, Don. All is not lost. American Models makes one -- and Ron still has NYC in stock, according to the website. But they're more than $85. And better made, I'll bet. Phil K ******************************************************* donabrams@... wrote: > > No one seems to have mentioned the "NEW" Alco RS3 in NYC lightning stripe livery. My dealer quoted a price of $85, so I preordered one. > Must be based on the Baldwin chassis running gear, but what the heck! > Does American Models or S helper make an RS3? > Oh well, if it's Central -- I've gotta have it. > > Don Abrams >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41207	From: Roy Inman	Date: 8/1/2006
Subject: Re: New Lionel catalog

Hey, that is pretty neat! Seems cheap at $86, MSR. Even though the NTC is a long way (was a long way) from Union Station Kansas City, a guy might have to have one anyway. Cheers :) Roy Inman From: donabrams@... Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2006 01:51:36 +0000 To: S-trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] New Lionel catalog No one seems to have mentioned the "NEW" Alco RS3 in NYC lightning stripe livery. My dealer quoted a price of $85, so I preordered one. Must be based on the Baldwin chassis running gear, but what the heck! Does American Models or S helper make an RS3? Oh well, if it's Central -- I've gotta have it. Don Abrams [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41208	From: Roy Inman	Date: 8/1/2006
Subject: Re: Classic Toy Trains Book

Phil, glad to hear your feedback on the AF book. I was contemplating buying it. But it sounds as you would not recommend it? It ain't cheap, and if it also isn't very good, I would rather spend my train dollars elsewhere. Roy Inman From: Phil K <waldootten@...> Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2006 02:09:27 +0000 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Classic Toy Trains Book Not to mention their book on American Flyer trains is extremely superficial and has beau coup mistakes. As in "quickly slapped together." Poor research. Inappropriate photography. IMHO, an effort to capitalize on our love for AF. And grab our dollars. Phil K >>>Hello Esteemed Colleagues, > > > > I just received a minor burn from an online sale. I bought a new book by > Souter and Souter. The title is "Classic Toy Trains". It has information > about American Flyer and other train makers. The information, pictures and > text seem to be very good. > > > > Te burn comes from the fact that this is exactly the same book as "The > American Toy Train" by the same authors. The title was changed and the thing > republished. Every page, picture, reference and even the index are exactly > the same. The only exceptions are the title page and the copyright page. > > > > If you already have one of them, you don't need to buy the other. > > > > Bill Porter > > Loxahatchee, Florida [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41209	From: Roy Inman	Date: 8/2/2006
Subject: Re: Why no one is talking about the Alco RS3

Yep, you sure are right. The AF stuff is on pages 122~123. The NYC in question is on page 124. Dad, rat, and blast! Roy Inman From: Phil K <waldootten@...> Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2006 02:27:50 +0000 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Why no one is talking about the Alco RS3 It just may be because it is Lionel, not Flyonel... you know it runs on O27 track, right? Take another look at the catalog and you'll see it's sitting on three rails... Take heart, Don. All is not lost. American Models makes one -- and Ron still has NYC in stock, according to the website. But they're more than $85. And better made, I'll bet. Phil K ******************************************************* donabrams@... wrote: > > No one seems to have mentioned the "NEW" Alco RS3 in NYC lightning stripe livery. My dealer quoted a price of $85, so I preordered one. > Must be based on the Baldwin chassis running gear, but what the heck! > Does American Models or S helper make an RS3? > Oh well, if it's Central -- I've gotta have it. > > Don Abrams > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41210	From: biglou2_99	Date: 8/2/2006
Subject: FOR SALE

HI, i have the following items for sale, please use my email address to respond, lglumac@... thanks lou 970 WALKING BREAKMAN E $50 TWO HOPPERS FOR MINNERS TRAIN IN THE BOX $50 EACH 988 AMERICAN REFRIG CAR E $100 980 B&O E $100 936 WESTERN ELECTRIC OB E $125 951R OB E MAROON $50 EACH 24566 PM WITH TRACTOR BUT ONLY 2 CARS $110 499 NEW HAVEN ELECTRIC E $300

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41211	From: Phil K	Date: 8/2/2006
Subject: Re: Classic Toy Trains Book

MINI BOOK REVIEW -- "American Flyer -- Classic Toy Trains" I bought one at Fall S Fest four years ago. The authors (Souter & Souter?) were signing them at a table and I paid about $39, IIRC. I didn't know as much about Flyer then as I know now. On a very quick thumb-through that day, it appeared to be a nice, warm, fuzzy cocktail table book about Flyer. So I opened my wallet. Being in the publishing business myself, upon close scrutiny the book's shortcomings were evident. IMHO, they wasted too much valuable four-color photo space on expensive, coated stock with multiple pictures of the same locomotives. The photo editor went for the "dreamy" look -- vignettes with a very, very shallow (one-inch) depth of field with the locomotive pointed head-on into the lens. The editorial copy was equally shallow. The editorial copy has far too many errors. I remember our club's two national-treasure historians, Andy Jugle and Dave Garrigues, bemoaning the fact that the authors and/or publisher never had someone with even a basic knowledge about Flyer check the manuscript. To wit, there is a photo of a Lionel pre-war M10000 in the book and it is identified as American Flyer. This book reminds me of the plethora of those cheapo 6x9 inch paperback "history" series books I see at train shows and bookstores. The ones with the sepia-toned antique photograph covers. They have interesting titles and subject matter, but most I have seen (written about local towns) are literally "slapped together." The editorial is poorly written and poorly researched and even more poorly edited. The photos are whatever they could find without doing much work -- and could get for free. There is little, if any, quality control. The titles (again, in this case the history of Chicago's older suburbs) are appealing, though, and so they sell a lot of them. That is what I call "punch-press journalism." I would also apply that tag to this American Flyer book. The cover -- which sells 60 percent of books -- is warm and fuzzy and is designed solely to appeal to impulse buyers. Unfortunately, I've received two or three more as gifts from well-intentioned folks who know my love of Flyer. So, if you want a useful book on Flyer and don't want to waste your money, buy a used copy of any one of the three out-of-print Greenberg books or the one written by Paul C. Nelson. But the Souter & Souter tome lacks both sizzle and steak. Phil K --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Roy Inman <rinphoto@...> wrote: > > Phil, glad to hear your feedback on the AF book. I was contemplating buying > it. But it sounds as you would not recommend it? It ain't cheap, and if it > also isn't very good, I would rather spend my train dollars elsewhere. > Roy Inman > > From: Phil K <waldootten@...> > Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2006 02:09:27 +0000 > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Classic Toy Trains Book > > > Not to mention their book on American Flyer trains is extremely > superficial and has beau coup mistakes. As in "quickly slapped > together." Poor research. Inappropriate photography. IMHO, an > effort to capitalize on our love for AF. And grab our dollars. > > Phil K > > >>>Hello Esteemed Colleagues, > > > > > > > > I just received a minor burn from an online sale. I bought a new > book by > > Souter and Souter. The title is "Classic Toy Trains". It has > information > > about American Flyer and other train makers. The information, > pictures and > > text seem to be very good. > > > > > > > > Te burn comes from the fact that this is exactly the same book > as "The > > American Toy Train" by the same authors. The title was changed and > the thing > > republished. Every page, picture, reference and even the index are > exactly > > the same. The only exceptions are the title page and the copyright > page. > > > > > > > > If you already have one of them, you don't need to buy the other. > > > > > > > > Bill Porter > > > > Loxahatchee, Florida > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41212	From: lember2004	Date: 8/2/2006
Subject: Re: ? about running hayjector/tiejector on regular Gilbert AF track

Recieved two answers to my question, both members giving me the encouraging info that they never encountered any problems running 'jector cars over 'regular' track layouts. Good news. Mark --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "lember2004" <lember2004@...> wrote: > > If PikeMaster era hayjector or tiejector cars are run on regular [that > is, not PikeMaster] Gilbert AF track, does the arm that sticks out of > the cars interfer with or have trouble on re-railers, switches, track > trips, etc? I'm hoping to introduce the 'jector cars to my layout and > hence my question. As always, all help is much appreciated. Mark >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41213	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 8/3/2006
Subject: OT - Need to fix some worn stairs

This is off topic so please respond directly to me. I have a staircase to the basement with deeply worn oak steps. These painted steps are original to the 1906 house and were constructed by a craftsman. I can not replace the treds without taking this entire section of the house apart (much more than just the staircase). I am looking for a product to fill the wear areas. Does someone sell a paste or compound that can be spread onto these not-level steps and then be painted? Thank you for your tolerance of this off-topic plea for help. Thorin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41214	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 8/3/2006
Subject: Failed mail address -- Portlines

I just sent an e-mail to Doug at Portlines about some of the new AF and got a failed mail address return from the server. I used the doug@... email. Anyone know if this has changed? Perhaps it is just a server traffic related issue. MK

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41215	From: Roy Inman	Date: 8/3/2006
Subject: Re: Failed mail address -- Portlines

I got that once also. I assume he is at the NASG convention, and perhaps his email server is jammed with messages from folks like you and me. The message may be "failed" but actually may be "full." Just guessing... Cheers :) Roy Inman From: Mark Kiner <AF336@...> Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2006 12:56:59 -0500 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Failed mail address -- Portlines I just sent an e-mail to Doug at Portlines about some of the new AF and got a failed mail address return from the server. I used the doug@... <mailto:doug%40portlines.com> email. Anyone know if this has changed? Perhaps it is just a server traffic related issue. MK [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41216	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 8/4/2006
Subject: EBAY SCAM

LAST WEEK I BID ON A 24566 FLAT.... 1200+ DOLLARS.... IT WENT FOR OVER 1700+.... I KNOW HAVE RECEIVED 3 DIFFERENT SECOND CHANCE OFFERS FROM 3 DIFF SOURCES..... I KNOW THE SELLER..... WATCH OUT.....I CAN'T FIND AN ADDRESS TO FORWARD THEM TO.... BOB [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41217	From: donabrams@comcast.net	Date: 8/4/2006
Subject: Re: New Lionel catalog

Wow! Have to get back to the dealer and cancel that RS3 order. Gotta watch those color bars and headings across the top of the pages! Blew that one and totally missed the track being available! The day I was there only one copy was available and I was looking over someone else's shoulder. Thanks for setting me straight guys. Don [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41218	From: hugoroundhouse	Date: 8/4/2006
Subject: Lead weights

Good Morning All- Thought I would share a resource i stumbled on to recently. I've always found it useful to add a little weight to some rolling stock to make them track better. An old AF caboose comes to mind - it would almost always derail if I tried to back it over a switch or onto a siding. I tried several ways to add weight, from nuts and bolts to smashed lead fishing weights. I even tried to get discarded wheel weights from my tire shop, but another fellow beat me to that source. I was in my local sporting goods store and happened across a package of duck/goose decoy weights. They are lead bars about an inch wide, 3/16 inch thick and a foot long. There are ten in a package. I saw them to length to customize them to the car. If they have to be attached, I use hot glue because I can remove that easily from the car's chassis. The downsize is, of course, you have to purchase them instead of raiding the tire shop' trash can, but the convenience to me is worth it. Jim E.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41219	From: donabrams@comcast.net	Date: 8/4/2006
Subject: Mikado repair update

The NYC Mikado I sent in for repairs in early May (no chugging) came back in four weeks, not the estimated seven in the letter I received. I've tested it and it runs great. They said in the enclosed receipt that they replaced a microswitch and also 'adjusted the siderods'. I checked the tightness of the siderods before I sent it in. Anyone else have this problem/solution know exactly what was done? Also they didn't get the handrails seated into the pilot. I hate to force them. Can anyone talk me through how to loosen the boiler enough to get the handrails back into the pilot? Take care everyone, Don P.S. I'll be out of town for the next week -- won't be able to read or respond to replies until then. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41220	From: Phil K	Date: 8/4/2006
Subject: Re: Mikado repair update

Don -- I've had the front handrails out of two of my Mikes and using gentle pressure to "force" them back into place is necessary. Haven't damaged one yet. Phil K --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, donabrams@... wrote: > > The NYC Mikado I sent in for repairs in early May (no chugging) came back in four weeks, not the estimated seven in the letter I received. > I've tested it and it runs great. They said in the enclosed receipt that they replaced a microswitch and also 'adjusted the siderods'. > I checked the tightness of the siderods before I sent it in. > Anyone else have this problem/solution know exactly what was done? > Also they didn't get the handrails seated into the pilot. I hate to force them. > Can anyone talk me through how to loosen the boiler enough to get the handrails back into the pilot? > Take care everyone, > Don > P.S. I'll be out of town for the next week -- won't be able to read or respond to replies until then. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41221	From: Phil K	Date: 8/4/2006
Subject: Sgt. Ben is home and in good condition

>>Hello, everyone! The report on Ben as of today is excellent. He has tests all week ending with a CAT scan yesterday. Over the weekend the test results will be evaluated and on Monday he will discuss with the doctors the course of treatment. He is feeling good and active. He will continue to be in the outpatient housing at Bethesda Naval Hospital and is out and about as he wishes. This morning he and Robin were out getting Starbucks. There will more news after he meets with the doctors on Monday. Don and Robin want you all to know how much they appreciate you support. Kind regards, Will Holt<<

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41222	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/4/2006
Subject: EBAY MADDNESS!

Last week a caboose from 1958, AF, #25052 in E went for $350. The item number is 15001124408 on Ebay. Nice picture, as it takes awhile to download, if you have slow computer service like me. This caboose is listed in TM book for 175 in E. 2 years ago, I purchase on Ebay, the same number caboose, in E+ for $110. Go Figure! O:)!!! Can't wait till it is my turn to sell it. LOL Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41223	From: mtoytrain@bellsouth.net	Date: 8/4/2006
Subject: Re: EBAY MADDNESS!

Ebay and Me are thru 45 days ago someone went in changed access to Ebay and my Paypal acvcount and I got hit bad, yesterday someone else did the same thing, now I foudn out because started to get emails on stuff I supposedly sold these folks collected the money and never sent them there items? I quit. Jerry M > > From: "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> > Date: 2006/08/04 Fri PM 03:42:46 EDT > To: <s-trains@yahoogroups.com>, > "Toy Trains" <toytrains@yahoogroups.com>, > "Ralph Loveless" <ralcor888@...> > Subject: [S-Trains] EBAY MADDNESS! > > Last week a caboose from 1958, AF, #25052 in E went for $350. The item number is 15001124408 on Ebay. Nice picture, as it takes awhile to download, if you have slow computer service like me. > > This caboose is listed in TM book for 175 in E. > > 2 years ago, I purchase on Ebay, the same number caboose, in E+ for $110. > > Go Figure! O:)!!! > > Can't wait till it is my turn to sell it. LOL > > Mike Marmer > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41224	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 8/4/2006
Subject: Re: AF LTI JACK FROST TANK CARS

I have some (3) Jack Frost cars for sale $65 shipped FedEx Ground insured. Mike PS: Contact me off list & they where shipped today & are on the way [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41225	From: frank emiro	Date: 8/4/2006
Subject: Re: EBAY MADDNESS!

I bid on a MOPAC car and won. I sent a check, they cashed it and no car came. So, I called the guy and he said " there was no car that ebay asked him to run his ad again". Got my money back and got a better deal from Doug Peck. mtoytrain@... wrote: Ebay and Me are thru 45 days ago someone went in changed access to Ebay and my Paypal acvcount and I got hit bad, yesterday someone else did the same thing, now I foudn out because started to get emails on stuff I supposedly sold these folks collected the money and never sent them there items? I quit. Jerry M > > From: "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> > Date: 2006/08/04 Fri PM 03:42:46 EDT > To: <s-trains@yahoogroups.com>, > "Toy Trains" <toytrains@yahoogroups.com>, > "Ralph Loveless" <ralcor888@...> > Subject: [S-Trains] EBAY MADDNESS! > > Last week a caboose from 1958, AF, #25052 in E went for $350. The item number is 15001124408 on Ebay. Nice picture, as it takes awhile to download, if you have slow computer service like me. > > This caboose is listed in TM book for 175 in E. > > 2 years ago, I purchase on Ebay, the same number caboose, in E+ for $110. > > Go Figure! O:)!!! > > Can't wait till it is my turn to sell it. LOL > > Mike Marmer > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Next-gen email? Have it all with the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41226	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 8/4/2006
Subject: Re: JACK FROST E-BAY LISTING

I have also listed the JACK FROST cars on E-Bay for you that like the auction type format. Mike ITEM #120016853268 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41227	From: lember2004	Date: 8/4/2006
Subject: Is there much Gilbert AF at Cal-Stewart?

Have never yet been to the fall Cal-Stewart Pasadena meet and am wondering if much Gilbert AF is offered? I will appreciate any experience members are willing to share. Mark

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41228	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 8/4/2006
Subject: Re: JACK FROST POST CORRECTION

I'm sorry that I left out $65 EACH, Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41229	From: Lawrence Schliessmann	Date: 8/4/2006
Subject: FW: s-scale trains and ebay

Gerry, I read your email through the yahoo.com s-scale group. I am a friend of Frank Emiro if you want to verify. Regarding your ebay paypal problem, I've been an ebay seller since 10/1998 (noirbooks99) and have a good relationship with ebay Two years ago someone in NYC stole our ebay ID. I phoned ebay and they immediately resolved the problem. Since, they have sent me a customer service number, which is: 1-800-717-3229 (I used this one too with good results). I suggest you call and ask for their assistance. Lastly, I never respond to ANY email I get from ebay or paypal, since about half the time it is someone trying to steal ebay IDs. If you get one forward it to spoof@.... They will deal with it immediately. What I do instead of responding to the email is to go to My Ebay or to my paypal account, and review the questions there. If there is one that requires an answer, I do so while I am within their secure system. Best of luck, Larry Schliessmann Lawrence Schliessmann eBay store noirbooks99 for great deals. schliess@... Why Wait? Move to EarthLink. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41230	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 8/4/2006
Subject: Re: Is there much Gilbert AF at Cal-Stewart?

Mark, There is enough for the most part. I have gone there 2 times & found enough to be happy with. It helps if you are a TTOS member for the last night auction, Well worth the approx $25 membership, Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41231	From: Antonides, Frank I	Date: 8/4/2006
Subject: Re: Is there much Gilbert AF at Cal-Stewart?

I have been the last three years and the AF supply has been mixed. The first year was disappointing, two years ago was very good and last year good. It is a fun show anyway; just don't go in with great expectations in regard to AF equipment. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41232	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 8/5/2006
Subject: Sunday Chat, 8/6/2006, 8:00 pm

Reminder from the Calendar of S-Trains Sunday Chat Sunday August 6, 2006 8:00 pm - 11:00 pm This event repeats every week. The next reminder for this event will be sent in 23 hours, 4 minutes. Event Location: http://s-scale.org/forum/ Street: http://s-scale.org/forum/ Notes: http://s-scale.org/forum/ ADVERTISEMENT Copyright ©  2006  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved. Privacy Policy - Terms of Service

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41233	From: sdsailman	Date: 8/6/2006
Subject: A Little Help . . . . .

on 584 or 759 Can someone please explain how you tell the difference between a AF 584 and 759 Danger Bell Crossing, and the nuances between the iterations of each model? Thanks, Rick WestcoastAFDepot@... SDSAILMAN@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41234	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 8/6/2006
Subject: National Convention

Hi Folks, I would like to take this opportunity to say how nice it was to meet so many of you people the past few days. Doing the registrations, I have seen your names and now I can associate a face to them! Of course, with all that was going on, and the sheer volume of people, it taxes a sometimes failing memory! It also was nice seeing old acquaintances again. I hope everyone had a good time. I know that in spite of all the work involved, it was good for us SMSG members too. There are still a few loose ends to tie up for us, and then it will finally be over. The Baltimore guys seem to have a great event planned for all of us, and I am really looking forward to going to a convention and actually kicking back a bit! If any of you Baltimore guys need hand or a few words of advise, don't hesitate to contact us. We already talked with some of you guys, and it looks like you have a good team already. We got a lot of help from previous convention hosts, and there's always the NASG Convention guidebook, which is one great resource. All of the events of the past few days have only reinforced my opinion that S gaugers are some of the best folks anywhere! Jerry Poniatowski EX-Registrar, 2006 NASG National Convention Pontiac, Michigan (where everything is one hour away...including where I live) ;>)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41235	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 8/6/2006
Subject: Two questions

1. does anybody know if there are any tables for rent at the fire hall..... or could I share a small part with someone 2. I need 2 Mantua old time coaches..... black trucks, but most important the cover plate needs to be shiny metal on the talgo truch..... hopefully with the stacks not glued in but loose.... also Mantau tyco on the underside... Bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41236	From: hobo47203	Date: 8/6/2006
Subject: Thank You to the SMSG

I just wanted to take a moment to send everyone of the members of the Southern Michigan S Gaugers a note of thanks for working so hard to provide a first rate National Convention! I greatly enjoyed getting to meet the members of this list that attended the Yahoo Members seminar hosted by Bill Fraley on Thursday night. It's always nice to put a face with a name. The members of the SMSG put on a great show and one that others in the future will have to work hard to measure up to. Bob Morrison Columbus, IN

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41237	From: Mark Preman	Date: 8/7/2006
Subject: SALE - 25% off FLYONEL

Let's have some summer fun. 25% off all FLYONEL on my list for the rest of August for members of S-TRAINS. Since I don't know who all's a member anymore(too many good folks), don't be shy about asking for the discount - it's the only way I will know you are from S-Trains. Don't forget all the other goodies also available at; http://www.americanflyertrains.com Mark Mark B. Preman AmericanFlyerTrains.com --------------------------------- Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41238	From: Doug Peck	Date: 8/7/2006
Subject: Re: Failed mail address -- Portlines

Unsure why you got that message............. I have my own server here, and it is fully capable of handling all the incoming "traffic". I'm sitting here now, starting to go through a week's worth of e-mail, having just returned home last night from Michigan. It is POSSIBLE that the issue has to do with the fact that we have changed our website host, which relays e-mail to my server here. However, several hundred emails arrived here with no problem. Try again............ Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: http://www.portlines.com E-mail: doug@... VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41239	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 8/7/2006
Subject: Rooms

Just a reminder, room rates are jumping, might want to double check your YORK reservations. While the Allentown Train Meet Associates (ATMA) show is NOT TCA, many of us participate. Our "favorite" motel has jumped prices from $59.00 per night to $79 for Friday and $89 for Saturday. Lumps in the carpet are still free, I think. Driving 90 minutes each way, each day may become cheaper. Jim Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41240	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 8/7/2006
Subject: Re: Rooms

Not yet, BUT, the York hotel folks DO play games. Our room prices in Allentown (Not booked until now), lumpy carpets , etc have increased $20 to $30 a night since February. We stay in this particular motel because friends stay there, its proximity to the show and restaurants. Jim Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41241	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 8/7/2006
Subject: Found at the Pontiac Coinvention

From: Gaylord Gill Found at the NASG National Convention in Pontiac: - pair of glasses in a black case. We left these with the front desk at the Marriott, so inquire there (248-253-9800) - paper sack from Scenery Unlimited containing what looks like some purchases. You may make your claim by contacting me (Gaylord), 248 / 889 - 9189 ggill@... and identifying the contents. Gaylord Gill Tom Hawley [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41242	From: lember2004	Date: 8/8/2006
Subject: Re: A Little Help . . . . .

The 584 includes a roadway & sidewalk [like the 591 & other automatic crossing gates]; it also has a "watchman" mounted on it. The 759 has no roadway or watchman, but does have a shanty [which houses the bell]. Hope that helps. Mark --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "sdsailman" <SDSAILMAN@...> wrote: > > on 584 or 759 > > Can someone please explain how you tell the difference between a AF > 584 and 759 Danger Bell Crossing, and the nuances between the > iterations of each model? > > Thanks, > Rick > > > WestcoastAFDepot@... > SDSAILMAN@... >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41243	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 8/8/2006
Subject: Sn3 clinic is on-line

For those who didn't attend the convention, I've made the Sn3 clinic available on-line at: www.s-scaletrains.com/EBTclinic Roy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41244	From: Gerry Evans dba Best of Show Model Build	Date: 8/8/2006
Subject: NASG Citrus Shed

Fortunately, or unfortunately, depending on your perspective, as of the Pontiac convention, all 50 NASG/Showcase Miniatures Citrus Sheds are sold and, at, or on their way, to new deserving homes. Many thanks to all NASG members who purchased the kit. I'm sure you'll be more than satisfied with the results. This is a relatively easy kit to build with excellently-detailed instructions. An article covering an "improved" version of the shed will appear in the forthcoming "Dispatch" that attempts to suggest some decorations and additions to make the shed more activity-oriented. While NASG's original stock of 50 kits now lies depleted, Showcase Miniatures will continue to fulfill orders for the kits from their stock to any and all purchasers. The laser-cut kit will be rerun in increments of ten once ten orders have been received by Showcase. NASG is unable to provide either prevailing pricing nor s&h charges for these additional kits. To determine availability and/or ordering and shipping details, please contact Showcase Miniatures, http://www.showcaseminiatures.com/ , joe@... , P.O. Box 753, Cherry Valley, CA 92223, 951-845-9914. Gerry Evans Western Div. VP-NASG [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41245	From: Greg Elems	Date: 8/8/2006
Subject: Closing Poll for S brass question

It's about time to close the poll asking about a possible new entrant to the S market. I'll close it next Monday so if you'd like to vote there still is a few days to do so. Thank you to the people who did take the time to vote so far. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/surveys?id=2165944 Greg Elems

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41246	From: Gerry Evans dba Best of Show Model Build	Date: 8/8/2006
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} NASG Citrus Shed

ALEX: One of the Citrus Sheds was at the convention. My "almost" cousin Alan Evans had an almost-completed shed on his on-display switching module. Alan had the structure all done except adding the clerestory. Gerry Evans ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Binkley" <alex.binkley@...> To: <S-Scale@yahoogroups.com>; <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; "Gerry Evans dba Best of Show Model Builders" <bestofshow@...> Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 1:36 PM Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} NASG Citrus Shed > Hi Gerry: > could not one of the kits been brought to the convention so we curious > potential purchasers could have had a look at it? or may be the prototype. > Don't have a lot of citrus sheds in Canada or the northern states either I > suspect but seeing the structure up close might have provided ideas on > other adaptations for it Ditto for the coach seats. > trying not to sound grumpy as I really enjoyed the convention > cheers. > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41247	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 8/8/2006
Subject: Lionel American Flyer First Edition UP Northern

Any word about the first edition or release of the Northern by Lionel! I hope it is as nice looking as the proposed GREY UP Northern with the Elephant ears! Anyone heard a release date? Jerry Matsick

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41248	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 8/9/2006
Subject: Re: Lionel American Flyer First Edition UP Northern[S-Trains] Diges

While I was attending the very enjoyable NASG Convention in Pontiac, I had an opportunity to examine preproduction samples of both the heavyweights and a new black Northern. Some observations: 1. The Northern is being made from a lot of new tooling. The boiler tool is all new with sharper detailing being the result. The chassis, drive, and smoke unit are all new. The cab is finished with a back head, two figures, and "glass" fitted to the cab windows. Railsounds electronics are fitted in the tender and generate electronic chuff, bell, and whistle. There is no wire tether between the cab and tender. Power pickup for the engine is derived from the drivers. The whistle, by the way, sounds great! The RS sounds can be defeated so that one can go with the choo-choo sound from the smoke piston unit. The electronic "chuff" is generated by a magnetic sensor on the forward most axle on the front tender truck -- a Lionel practice for O gauge tenders in the past. The mechanical chuff is a higher pitch than the old Gilbert -- more long the lines of the AM steam engine chuff. During an all too brief run, operation appeared to be smooth and smoke was easily generated. Paint, fit and finish are very nicely done. All add-on details are metal -- the new Northern is very ruggedly constructed. This is one new S-gauge steamer that one could hand to the proverbial lucky 7 year old on Christmas morning and not have to worry about it being broken two minutes later. In this sense, the new Northern is very much postwar in design and intended use. 2. Once most see the new heavyweights with their detail and new die-cast trucks, I believe that they will be glad that they are freshly tooled. They are also 1 1/2 inches longer than the vintage Gilbert cars, so the consists assembled from them will look more sleek than with the old ones. And, yes, they will operate on 20" radius Gilbert curves. They have silhouetted windows at this time. The samples were painted white to reveal the molded-in details, which are many. The "scale guys" came by in a large number requesting undecorated versions of the baggage car, which should indicate something to the perceptive. The build date on the outer box for the advance sample of the Northern said "5/20/06" so I believe (my guestimate) that the black version should be here in a month or so, and the two-tone gray one maybe a month later. The gray one is slated for October on the Lionel web site. Bob Bubeck >> Any word about the first edition or release of the Northern by Lionel! I hope it is as nice looking as the proposed GREY UP Northern with the Elephant ears! Anyone heard a release date? Jerry Matsick<< [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41249	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 8/9/2006
Subject: Re: Lionel American Flyer First Edition UP Northern

I'm not sure what that means, but the Northern that Lionel brought to their table at the NASG convention was decorated like the ACG one and not the elephant ears version. Roy --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Jerry Matsick" <mtoytrain@...> wrote: > > Any word about the first edition or release of the Northern by Lionel! > I hope it is as nice looking as the proposed GREY UP Northern with the > Elephant ears! > Anyone heard a release date? > > Jerry Matsick >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41250	From: frank emiro	Date: 8/9/2006
Subject: Re: Lionel American Flyer First Edition UP Northern[S-Trains] Diges

frank emiro <femiro2002@...> wrote: Sounds good. It seems the sleeping LION has awaken. I would hope that others will use TMCC in making their products. Dcc is great for some and TMCC is great for others. Maybe even DCS from Mike that will work with TMCC. It has been said that DCS & TMCC are available ( for a price). HUMM, what would ACG have said? rbubeck327@... wrote: --------------------------------- Get your email and more, right on the new Yahoo.com --------------------------------- Stay in the know. Pulse on the new Yahoo.com. Check it out. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41251	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 8/9/2006
Subject: I was attacked by the Mothman!

He was assisted by a Chupacabras and a Yeti! My life became a living terror for several days as I fought to avoid these horrifying creatures! No, not really...it was just computer trouble. It seems I missed two S Trains chat sessions in a row and folks got concerned. Thanks for your concern and e-mails. Despite $150. worth of repairs, including a new hard drive, we are still not 100% yet. More work is scheduled. And we lost most of the info on the old drive, so it will be awhile before we're back to normal. Oops...got to go. That damn Chupacabras is in the back yard and he's trying to eat the mother in law's cat! Stumpy Stone...stir crazy without a computer.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41252	From: Roy Inman	Date: 8/9/2006
Subject: S scale speeder

I have not been able to get the web site with speeder information to load. Anyone have any word on an ETA of that little rascal? Roy Inman www.unionstationphotos.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41253	From: Doug Peck	Date: 8/9/2006
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} NASG Citrus Shed

<<<but seeing the structure up close might have provided ideas on > other adaptations for it Ditto for the coach seats. >>> And we had a large stack of the coach seats available at our tables.........probably 20-25 packages. Many sold, but not all. Still have them in stock, at $12/package (of 36). Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: http://www.portlines.com E-mail: doug@... VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41254	From: Gerry Evans dba Best of Show Model Build	Date: 8/10/2006
Subject: Citrus Shed Pricing News

I humbly apologize to all subscribers for not determining the Showcase Miniatures' Citrus Shed pricing before I suggested you to contact Showcase for kits in addition to the 50 that NASG sponsored. I have been duly chastised by some contemporaries. In an attempt to rectify my transgression, here is the current pricing for the Citrus Shed kits as confirmed yesterday, 8/9/06, with Showcase Models, www.showcaseminiatures.com . {:-) + Citrus Shed Kit=$59.95 + S&H=$4.75 (Lower 48 States; others contact Showcase for S&H rates) + CA residents add 7.75% ($4.65) to the base price Gerry Evans Western VP-NASG [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41255	From: Bill Lane	Date: 8/10/2006
Subject: Alco Soundtraxx sound unit wanted

Hi All, I know that is a long shot since these units have been out of production for so long, but I am looking for up to 3 Soundtraxx DSD-150 Alco first generation sound decoders. I would MUCH prefer that they are NEW, but would possibly consider used units if you give a no DOA guarantee. Please reply to me directly at billlane@... with what you have and your asking price even if you only have 1 unit to sell. I can use PayPal for the transactions. I could also possibly consider a 1 amp similar Soundtraxx unit since my PA units spike at slipping at about 1.25 amps. An all in 1 motor decoder and sound unit is an absolute MUST though. Thank You, Bill Lane Modeling the Mighty Pennsy in S Scale in 1957 since 1988 See my finished models at: http://www.lanestrains.com Over 100 new photos recently added Importing a Brass S Scale PRR X29 & G26 http://www.pennsysmodels.com ALL of the production X29 have arrived as of 6-30-05 Replacement PRR decals arrived 10-5-05 The G26 & G26a is complete. PRR Builders Photos Bought, Sold & Traded (Trading is MUCH preferred) http://mywebpages.comcast.net/billlane/PRRphotos.xls ***Join the PRR T&HS*** The other members are not ALL like me! http://www.prrths.com http://mywebpages.comcast.net/billlane/PRRTHS_Application.pdf See my Altoona train videos here http://www.myspace.com/billlane

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41256	From: Bill Lane	Date: 8/10/2006
Subject: 2006 NASG Convention

Hi All, Another NASG convention has come and gone. Since no one has posted any photos yet, I guess I will be the first. http://mywebpages.comcast.net/billlane/NASG_2006.jpg In the upper left we have a shot of the back area from the American Models Tour. Ron Bashista and family were most gracious hosts giving us all dinner and a tour of the factory at the welcoming party. Shown in the upper right, we have the truly stunning layout of Brook Stover modeling the Buffalo Creek & Gauley. It is a 3D work of art, taking code 148 track to the highest level of detail in Hirail! I would have liked to stay there for more then 15 minutes though. You will get to see this layout if you go to the NMRA National convention in Detroit next year. Next we have the DeWitts; Former S Scaler Don (rear) with bother Dale and father Joel, all who must have made a deal with the devil by trading their hair for trains. I must have been absent that day because I did not get that same deal! In the next photo we have a little Railfanning that I did from right out our 7th story hotel room. There was a yard lead that dead ended just past the hotel. This GT Geep frequently switched Tri-level auto rack cars deep into the GM plant that was across the street from the hotel. There was also a mainline behind the yard lead that got a train or 2 a day. Next we have the awesome 1 1/2" scale Michigan Central live steam layout that had over 2 real miles of track spread out over 35 acres owed by 3 families. The ride took us over 1/2 hour before we rode on the same tracks twice. They run it like a real railroad on select weekends switching out cars to the many buildings simulating businesses spread out through the Michigan woods. Former S Scaler and steam engine Guru Joe Scales had some of his equipment there. I can most definitely see the appeal of the large scale trains. That tour may have been the highlight of the convention for me. My wife and I rode for a total of over 2 hours on a perfect August afternoon and loved every minute of it. Finally we have Andy Malette (piano) and Dave Heine rocking it out for us before the banquet. I don't think they played Freebird or Stairway to Heaven, but we enjoyed it anyway. The highlight in the vendors room for me was Billy Wade http://www.btsrr.com formally announcing the PRR ND Cabin car. We are off to Baltimore next year. http://www.trainweb.org/baafc I have already made my hotel reservations. Thank You, Bill Lane Modeling the Mighty Pennsy in S Scale in 1957 since 1988 See my finished models at: http://www.lanestrains.com Over 100 new photos recently added Importing a Brass S Scale PRR X29 & G26 http://www.pennsysmodels.com ALL of the production X29 have arrived as of 6-30-05 Replacement PRR decals arrived 10-5-05 The G26 & G26a is complete. PRR Builders Photos Bought, Sold & Traded (Trading is MUCH preferred) http://mywebpages.comcast.net/billlane/PRRphotos.xls ***Join the PRR T&HS*** The other members are not ALL like me! http://www.prrths.com http://mywebpages.comcast.net/billlane/PRRTHS_Application.pdf See my Altoona train videos here http://www.myspace.com/billlane

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41257	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 8/10/2006
Subject: 2006 NASG Convention

----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Lane . . . . . . American Models Tour. Ron Bashista and family were most gracious hosts giving us all dinner and a tour of the factory at the welcoming party. . . . . . . > > > > > > > Glad you enjoyed the convention and the visit to American Models. But just for the record, American Models did not pay for that recpetion. We, the host club, did. Tom Hawley Southeastern Michigan S Gaugers

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41258	From: bandmancwc	Date: 8/10/2006
Subject: New items

For those of you lucky enough to attend the NASG convention, were there any new items coming out from S-Helper or American Models that you were able to preview? Thanks...Bill

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41259	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 8/11/2006
Subject: Fw: Found at the Pontiac Coinvention

----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Poniatowski" <poniaj@...> Also found on the bus that went to the Steam Railroad Institute and Durand: A plastic bag with two or three items. Identify the contents and we'll send it to you. Jerry Poniatowski

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41260	From: Bill Clark	Date: 8/11/2006
Subject: Update on SSgt Ben Thompson's recovery

Don Thompson gave me an update on his son Ben, which I have posted on the showcaseline website: http://www.showcaseline.com/Ben.htm Don, Robin, and Ben have been overwhelmed with all the prayers and good wishes for Ben's speedy recovery, and wish to thank all their friend's and customers for the wonderful support shown them in this difficult time. Thanks! Bill

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41261	From: Phil K	Date: 8/11/2006
Subject: GREAT NEWS ABOUT SGT. BEN and PHOTOS

I GOT THIS TODAY FROM DON THOMPSON: "Yesterday we left Bethesda Naval Hospital after Ben's last appt. He was examined by Dr. Sorensen, a Navy Ear, Nose and Throat doc who is chief of the ENT service at Bethesda. After Ben told him his story, he looked over the CT scan of his head and neck. He had Ben smile, frown, close one eye then the other, grimace etc. He noted how lucky Ben is to be alive and that his facial nerve graft had taken very well and has made remarkable progress. He told Ben that the bullet is lodged between his spine and the hinge of his mandible and that he feels it is safer to leave it in place. He told Ben if it was his Dad, brother or son, he would recommend them not to have surgery to remove the bullet due to all of the major vessels and nerves that are in proximity. [The doctor] explained that their is a lot of misinformation regarding bullets left if place and that he could show us Xrays of Viet Nam vets with similar injuries that bullets have not moved in 30 years. Ben asked about when he could go down range (return to Iraq). Dr. Sorensen told him that his left eye would have to close completely before he would sign off on his returning to his company in Iraq. He went on to say that the dust in the mideast is very fine and if he went down range to Iraq before his eye was able to completely close on it's own, keratosis could occur on the surface of his eye and that would effect his eyesight. Ben then visited his internal medicine doc who is his case manager. He is concerned by Ben's injuries and wants to be sure that he did not suffer some mild brain damage. He detected a slight swelling of his brain on the left side on his original CT from Germany and thought that some of Ben's symptoms maybe due to this. He signed him out for a few weeks of convelesent leave. Ben will return to Bethesda at the end of the month for a followup CT and appts. with all the services he visited that last two weeks. Before we headed back to NJ with Ben, we had lunch with Ben's company comander's wife Leslie Yarbough. She is a real doll that has been helping Robin and I cope with Ben's injury. We have been e- mailing and talking on the phone with Leslie for the past two weeks and we were both excited to meet this wonderful person. Over lunch we shared stories about each other and our families and Ben when he was young. Leslie has a 4 year old son, Cobb who is into NASCAR. Lots of laughs. After lunch I took the obligatory photo and out from the back of her car came a couple cases of liquid bread for our wounded soldier. I am starting to thinking that we are treating Ben too good!!! On the way home we got the call from Senator Lautenberg's office that Sprite's [Ben's Thai wife] I-130 petition for visa had been approved. It is now up to the State Dept. to finish up the approval process. This is a big hurdle that is now behind us. We hope to see Sprite making the trip here from Thailand in the next few months. But the good times did not end yesterday, today Ben's battation commander, Lt. Col. Layrisson came for lunch at our house with SGT Foote. Ben knew that the Col. was going to Korea next week and told him the day before that he was going on convelesent leave in NJ and he did not have to make the trip. It is very hard to tell a determined Col. what to do so today we had lunch together. Quite a round trip from Ft. Bragg, NC to New Brunswick. We were happy to meet Col Layrisson who was the first person to call us a few hours after Ben was wounded. At lunch it was fun to listen to the three of them talk Army stuff about their experiences. We learned that LTC Layrisson went to West Point and grew up in Louisiana, is married and has two daughters and a son. SGT Foote (also a Ranger) is from Newburgh, NY, met the actor who played the president (Martin Sheen who sent him a care package when he was in Afganistan) and the real president on July 4th (a photo op even). With the long trip back to Ft. Bragg (and the dreaded Washington traffic), we bid them adieu. Robin packed sandwiches and drinks for the trip home. Below are images from today and yesterday. Robin and I are very impressed how Ben's group reached out to us in his time of need. I am starting to understand why he wants to get back with his fellow soldiers although I will admit I would rather see him in Korea using some of the training he had a few months back." -- From Don Photo link: http://tinyurl.com/psqkw ****************************************************************** NOTE FROM PHIL K -- Think about this, everyone. Ben goes to Iraq. Ben gets shot in face by sniper. Bullet will stay near his brain and spinal cord, in a very precarious location. Ben recovers enough to come home. Ben is still in hospital recovering and now is asking how soon he can return to Iraq. I have tears in my eyes as I an writing this. I am button-busting proud that the United States of America has young people of this commitment, dedication and and caliber defending our freedom. This is the type of story the drive-by media should be printing on page one, above the fold. And let's not forget Don and Robin, either. I'm sure they went through some awfully tough times wondering if after he was shot Ben was going to come home at all. And now, I'm sure they have mixed emotions about Ben's returning to Iraq. But I'm also sure they're two of the proudest parents in the USA. Maybe Don could do a special limited run of U.S. Armed Forces/Iraqi Freedom boxcars in red, white and blue. Charge $100 and use the excess monies to buy some things our troops serving in Iraq could use to help pass the time between assignments. Anyone think this is a good idea? I'd buy several if he did it.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41262	From: Bill Adams	Date: 8/11/2006
Subject: Wiring Help!

I have a pair of No. 720a switches wired in pairs (ala Paul Yorke)to operate by two individual buttons. [works great!] I want to wire a No. 761 semaphore to them ONLY to show which track is active. I need help in wiring this up! Any help will be greatly appreciated. Bill Adams

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41263	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 8/11/2006
Subject: Re: GREAT NEWS ABOUT SGT. BEN and PHOTOS

PHIL K wrote: Maybe Don could do a special limited run of U.S. Armed Forces/Iraqi Freedom boxcars in red, white and blue. Charge $100 and use the excess monies to buy some things our troops serving in Iraq could use to help pass the time between assignments. Anyone think this is a good idea? I'd buy several if he did it. ###################################################### I think this is a great idea. Sign me up for one. BTW, our Ruritan Club puts together hospital kits for our soldiers who are wounded. Often these soldiers are medivaced to Germany with inly the clothes on their backs. These kits consist of drawstring shorts, t-shirts, sock, flipflops, towel and washcloth, toiletries, etc. Our Club sent 47 over about a year ago as part of a national effort by Ruritan National, and just sent 31 more because they began running out of them. Joe Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613*9 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock; More than 1,300 part lines American Models ##### S-Helper Service ###### K-Line S Gauge joestrainrepair@... Master Card/Visa

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41264	From: Alex	Date: 8/11/2006
Subject: Florida trip

Hi all, I am visiting my Dad in Sun City Center near Tampa. Are there any s-train shows, hobby shops, clubs, layouts etc that I should/could checkout while I am here? I will be here until the 22nd. Thanks alot, Alex Sibbald [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41265	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 8/11/2006
Subject: Re: GREAT NEWS ABOUT SGT. BEN and PHOTOS

Great idea, Phil! Sign me up for 2 of them, one for point on the train, and one for rear guard. You're absolutely right. We need more of the news of pride and determination of these young soldiers, as well as the experiences of the older ones who train and lead them. If it weren't for them, we could be speaking German, Japanese, or who knows what else. Maybe a poll should be in order for this to get opinions on whether to ask Don and Robin to do the special cars. Carlton [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41266	From: Bill Lane	Date: 8/12/2006
Subject: Pfaudler decals needed

HI All, I need at least 1 new complete set of decals for the River Raisin 40' Pfaudler milk car. I would prefer getting 2 sets. I also need the extra panels for Bakers Chocolate and/or Hershey's Chocolate. Please reply directly to billlane@... with what you have. I can make it easy and use PayPal for the transaction. Thank You, Bill Lane Modeling the Mighty Pennsy in S Scale in 1957 since 1988 See my finished models at: http://www.lanestrains.com Over 100 new photos recently added Importing a Brass S Scale PRR X29 & G26 http://www.pennsysmodels.com PRR Builders Photos Bought, Sold & Traded (Trading is MUCH preferred) http://mywebpages.comcast.net/billlane/PRRphotos.xls ***Join the PRR T&HS*** The other members are not ALL like me! http://www.prrths.com http://mywebpages.comcast.net/billlane/PRRTHS_Application.pdf See my Altoona train videos here http://www.myspace.com/billlane

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41267	From: John Foley	Date: 8/12/2006
Subject: NASG Promotions Committee

Hi Folks I am looking for a couple of volunteers who would like the become part of the NASG Promotions Committee. If interested please reply to me with your phone number, I will be happy to call you with what I have in mine. John Foley Promotions [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41268	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 8/12/2006
Subject: Sunday Chat, 8/13/2006, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 41269	From: Pete Henningsen	Date: 8/13/2006
Subject: Special US Armed Forces/ Iraqi Freedom car

Phil, If you're keeping track add me to list! Thanx, Pete

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41270	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 8/13/2006
Subject: Can motor special

Hi everybody, We have just twelve of our second generation standard speed steamer can motors left. We want to clear them out before we introduce our third generation motor. We are therefore offering them at $ 21 plus shipping for DC operation and $23 for AC operation until the end of August. We still have lots of first generation "slow speed" can motors on hand and will include them at that same price until the end of August. Generation three standard speed can motors are going to be $30 for DC operation and $34 for AC. Slow speed motors are going to remain at $28 for DC and $32 for AC Steve Blackburn S-'n-S Trains Boise, Idaho [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41271	From: Jay E. Mellon	Date: 8/13/2006
Subject: 2006 NASG Convention Acknowledgments

All, What can I say? The convention was a blast! I need to thank some folks for helping the Crescent City S Gaugers participate. Firstly, there is Leigh Swanson, not really an active member of SMSG, but a great guy, none-the-less. He picked up myself and the Gregg Miller crew at the Amtrak station in Pontiac and ferried us to the convention hotel. And also returned us to the station for our departures. His effort and consideration is greatly appreciated. Next, there is Jerry Pontiatowski to whom I first made inquiries regarding bringing the CCSG layout to the convention. Thanks for the encouragement, Jerry. And, also to Tom Hawley and Sig Fleischmann for their efforts on our behalf. We also thank Gaylord Gill and the entire membership of SMSG for the financial support that helped us transport our modules the roughly 1000 miles from Louisiana to Michigan. Couldn't have done it without y'all. And I have to mention our club member Mickey Guidroz, who loaned us the use of his personal trailer and drove the club display layout solo up to Pontiac and back. Great job, Mickey. We also thank NASG for all its encouragement and support. Gracias to the NASG "Clearing House" for the NASG T-shirts and track gauges. We enjoyed operating our display layout at the convention hotel and hope the attendees enjoyed it as well. There were a few problems with it, but, hey, there is always room for improvement. We had a great time talking to the various viewers. And, wouldn't you know it? With about 10 minutes before we were to start break-down, some young enthusiastic viewers showed up who definitely didn't want it to end. That seems to happen at just about every show we do. I guess that's one of the constraints with keeping show/convention on time. We were thrilled "to death" to win the Bill Krause award from the Connecticut S Gaugers for S promotion. It was the "icing" to the great experience we had at the convention. Jay Mellon Crescent City S Gaugers New Orleans, LA

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41272	From: Jay E. Mellon	Date: 8/13/2006
Subject: Reflections on the 2006 NASG Convention

All, As has become my custom after attending an S gathering, I will offer some thoughts on my observations and experiences at the recent NASG convention in Pontiac, MI. I will try not to duplicate what others have said about it. I have NO commercial links with any dealer or manufacturer. I only wish I had been able to do and see everything that was available. There just wasn't time! LAYOUT TOURS - SMSG did a fine job of putting these tours together. On tour#1, Gaylord Gill's roundhouse scene was gorgeous. Paul Gribbell's "Chi-Town" O scale layout has to be seen to be believed. I heard a number of folks wishing THEY had 5000 sq. ft. to build a layout. We were so impressed with it that the entire CCSG crew went back on Sunday to "rail fan" in O scale for a couple of hours. Tom Hess' hirail layout was stunning and his AF displays impeccable. Nice job, Tom. In tour #2, I enjoyed all of the layouts we visited, but I have been waiting 10 years to see Brooks Stover's BC&G. It was worth every minute of the wait. Simply stunning. And, while I was "drooling" from scene to scene, Brooks launched into an impromptu clinic on how he builds his structures. All too soon, we had to get back on the bus to the hotel. I also managed to squeeze in the Bill Hays 1/8 scale outdoor layout tour. I have to agree with Bill Lane. It was great fun on a beautiful day. Our ride engineer was very friendly and made us feel like we were part of the regular crew. I would be a regular volunteer if I lived 950 miles closer. CLINICS - I definitely would have liked to have attended more of these than I did. But, hey, we had a railroad to run (display layout). I enjoyed and learned things in the Lynn Wells and Ed Loizeaux (Ed, are you sure you aren't Cajun? :-)) clinics. I wanted to catch the Bill Fraley Yahoo clinic, but our tour bus didn't get back to the hotel until 15 min. before it ended. Oh, well. I had to miss Bob Werre's photography clinic due to a conflict. And since I have a science background, I definitely related to the new approach of Vic Cherven for quantitative analysis of a track plan. In fact, it's got me to thinking about track planning again. Here's a track plan challenge: it must fit into a 189 sq. ft. FEMA trailer. I have to live in it and it HAS TO FLOAT (kudos to Bill Wade). Just kidding. DEALER ROOM - I definitely could have spent another week in there to check everything out, but...here is what I saw. AMERICAN MODELS - A premier exhibit with lots of their available models. And Ron gave us a great tour of his manufacturing facility on the evening before the convention started. They do a LOT of things in a relatively small space. I saw the tooling for the first AM engine (FP-7). They plan to move to a larger facility soon. ARMSTRONG TOOL & SUPPLY - I picked up some modeling tools I needed for working in my trailer. B.T.S. - It was great to see Bill and Diane again. I picked up another kit to work on for R&R. BOY OH BOY INDUSTRIES. Kenny Palmer relayed that there seems to be considerable interest in outfitting AF with DCC control. He ran a new AM "northern" with sound on our layout. Very nice. CVSG - I picked up some of the S spree Sherwin-Williams tank cars. DEBEN, LLC - I briefly caught up with the Bendevers. I meant to get back to get a brief clinic on Dr. Ben weathering products, but never made it. JOHN HECK - Had a large selection of items for the AF fans. HOQUAT HOBBIES - Great to meet Jeff Wilson and pick a few deals at his table. LEHIGH VALLEY MODELS - Had a nice visit with Phil Kehr. For those who have recently inquired if LVM is still in existence, the answer is YES. Phil had lots of his kits there. But, he has a FULL TIME "Other Job" that may delay his response to your questions. Please be patient. LIONEL TRAINS - Had the soon-to be released AF "Northern" and heavy wgt. passenger cars. Looked very nice. MICHIGAN MODELS - Tom Hawley had LOTS of product there, but I never really had a chance to check it out. PORT LINE HOBBIES - Doug had his usual plethora of parts supplies and also a new line of structures that looked very nice. RIVER RAISIN MODELS - Dan and Jim were there with their superlative brass models. Some of the nicest detailed models available in S. SCALE S ONLY - It was nice to chat with Bill Winans again. I had visited his Palmdale shop about 12 years ago. SCENERY UNLIMITED - I picked up a couple of wood kits to work on in my trailer. S HELPER SERVICE - A much reduced presence due to the emergency medical care required by his son Ben. Everyone there missed them and hopes for a speedy recovery by Ben. WHAT I MISSED: Somehow, I never found Putt Trains, Old Motor Trucks or the Jim King models (new manufacturer). I was also hoping to see the new model by Pine Canyon Models. There was LOTS of S product in the dealer room, but no real surprises (at least, I don't remember any). The auction after the banquet was great fun, as usual (how could it not be, with Jaime as "Auctioneer"?). I successfully picked up some more wood kits to work on in my "What was it like in the Dark Days of S?" educational routine. So, what did I think of this NASG convention? It was a total success for me. Did I have a good time? Yes, fantastic. Did I catch up with "S friends"? Definitely. There is a wealth of knowledge about S modeling at one of these events. You just have to tap into it. Did I reach my goals regarding model supplies "needed". More than I need to keep me busy for the next year (in my trailer). :-) So, now, to the members of SMSG who toiled for over 2 years to put this convention together: Great Job! Now, you can get back to your regular lives and maybe get some time for your own modeling projects. 'S'incerely, Jay Mellon New Orleans, LA

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41273	From: ken garber	Date: 8/13/2006
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Reflections on the 2006 NASG Convention

On 8/13/06, Jay E. Mellon <jmellon@...> wrote: > > > WHAT I MISSED: Somehow, I never found Putt Trains, Old Motor Trucks or the > Jim King models (new manufacturer). I was also hoping to see the new model > by Pine Canyon Models. There was LOTS of S product in the dealer room, but > no real surprises (at least, I don't remember any). Putt Trains had cancelled shortly before the convention. You missed the Tomalco tables. He had lots of turnouts and also the Jim King samples. BTS also had a mockup of an opera-window style centre-beam bulkhead flat. It's due late this year or early next. I personally need 20 but will have to settle for a couple. Besides the models, RiverRaisin also had a large collection of brass parts. And for those who didn't make the Bill Hays 'empire', one circuit takes an hour. That's a lot of trackage! Ken [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41274	From: jnr59@aol.com	Date: 8/13/2006
Subject: SHS and AM Freight Cars For Sale

I have the following SHS and AM freight cars for sale or trade for certain B&O rolling stock. All are practically new with less than 1 hour running time in every case and come with original box. Please let me know if you have an interest. Will discount all items: Jack Riely Lake St. Louis, MO CARTYPECOLORMANUFACTURERCAR # U.P. 3-Box car Set(Cattle, MOW, Box Car)Box CarsYellow/Silver, Silver, RedAM48216,903643,181900 U.P. Tofcee (Trailer on Flat car)FlatcarRed/Tan,Yellow/Red/Grey TSHS15321 Missouri Pacific Box CarBox CarBlue & Grey SHS3623 Bulkhead Flat Car with packaged lumber loadFlatcarRed/Tan, White loadSHS60403 Burlington Route 3-Bay Covered Hopper carHopper CarGreySHS85121 CNW Refrigerated CarReeferGreen&YellowSHS3186 U.P. Wooden CabooseCabooseYellow/SilverAM18718 Mineapolis-St. Louis Covered Hopper CarHopper CarGreySHS70499 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41275	From: lynnshouse2000	Date: 8/14/2006
Subject: Houston Area Shops

Is anyone on this list from the Houston, TX area and can you recommend an S friendly shop in the area? I will be at a conference in Galveston next week (21-25 Aug). My return plans allow me time to visit a good LHS on 25 August during my return home. Thanks in advance. Lynn Ray

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41276	From: Mark Preman	Date: 8/14/2006
Subject: American Flyer Trains New List and 25% OFF Sale

I updated the list over the weekend to add more MINT stuff and more non-mint stuff. (that ought to cover it!) Also, don't forget the 25% off sale on all Flyonel on the list through the month of August. Mark http://www.americanflyertrains.com Mark B. Preman AmericanFlyerTrains.com --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41277	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 8/14/2006
Subject: LIONEL AMERICAN FLYER

Ladies and Gentlemen, Still have a few Brand New, Never Run (most boxes still factory sealed) of the following A/F by Lionel: The PENNSYLVANIA ALCO PA Passenger Set WITH, B-unit and 2 car Adder Pak for $ 749.00 ( $969.00 Retail) plus PA tax (if applicable) and Actual shipping cost UNION PACIFIC and SOUTHERN Mikados, $ 529.00 plus AP Tax (if applicable) and Actual shipping. Please contact off list--Thanks, Jim Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41278	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 8/14/2006
Subject: LTI FLYER GP-9's

I have 3 LTI FLYER GP-9's BURLINGTON $330 each NEW in the Box Shipping included. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41279	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 8/14/2006
Subject: LTI ERROR

Sorry they are not GP-9's they are SD-9's . Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41280	From: douglasgips@aol.com	Date: 8/14/2006
Subject: Re: Houston Area Train Shops

Is anyone on this list from the Houston, TX area and can you recommend an S friendly shop in the area? I will be at a conference in Galveston next week (21-25 Aug). My return plans allow me time to visit a good LHS on 25 August during my return home. Thanks in advance. Lynn Ray Dear Lynn: I live just north of Houston, TX. Here are a list of shops that I frequent that you might be interested in: Papa Ben's Train Place 2506 South Blvd Houston, TX 77098 713-523-5600 This is just off of Hwy 59 and Kirby, around what used to be the Summit. If you are coming from Galveston, you would take Hwy 59 South to Kirby. Turn left (south) on Kirby from 59, and go up to South Street (about 3 blocks I think) and turn left. The shop is on the left-hand side of the road just before the Yoga Institute. It is right across the street from a dog groomer/kennel business. He has quite a bit of S-Gauge as well as lots of other stuff. There is even an upstairs room set up with Thomas the Train set up for the kiddos. There is another good train shop located on the 610 Loop at Main Street called Houston Round House. This is on the South side of Houston. If coming from Galveston, you would take the first 610 West exit, and get off at Main Street and stay on the feeder. Go past the Main Street intersection and the shop is on the right in that first shopping center. It really doesn't have much if any S-Gauge, but it's a big shop and has lots of stuff you might be interested in. Houston Round House 3264 South Loop W Houston, TX _zip code_ (http://www.switchboard.com/bin/cgiredir.dll?PR=103&AI=0&BI=24481864&LI=1700&DESC=54&ENC=X0lQQ0JfVmFsaWRhdGVkX0NpdHk9SG91c3RvbiZfSVB DQl9WYWxpZGF0ZWRfU3RhdGU9VFhp&QT=BNL&MEM=1&L=Bellaire+Round+house&T=Houston&S= TX&LO=Houston,+TX&VL=MSZIb3VzdG9uLCBUWCYmSG91c3RvbiZUWCYmMCYwJjImMiYwJQ__&QV=9 2DEC44C4E454430A81AC00B6093CCB0l029D33305920AD4415313203O0183887C4536E94427313 203O079E7E795E36E944EE313203O039E2D3D5E36E94413313203&QR=1&QX=1&URL=http://www .switchboard.com/bin/cgiad.dll?PR=118&BI=24481864&MEM=1&L=Bellaire+Round+house &T=Houston&S=TX&LO=Houston,+TX&VL=MSZIb3VzdG9uLCBUWCYmSG91c3RvbiZUWCYmMCYwJjIm MiYwJQ__&QV=92DEC44C4E454430A81AC00B6093CCB0l029D33305920AD4415313203O0183887C 4536E94427313203O079E7E795E36E944EE313203O039E2D3D5E36E94413313203&QR=1&QX=1&Q T=BNL) Phone: (713) 662-0809 _Visit Web site_ (http://www.switchboard.com/bin/cgiredir.dll?PR=103&AI=-2&BI=24481864&LI=946&MEM=1&L=Bellaire+Round+house&T=Houston&S=TX&LO=Houston,+TX&VL =MSZIb3VzdG9uLCBUWCYmSG91c3RvbiZUWCYmMCYwJjImMiYwJQ__&QV=92DEC44C4E454430A81AC 00B6093CCB0l029D33305920AD4415313203O0183887C4536E94427313203O079E7E795E36E944 EE313203O039E2D3D5E36E94413313203&QR=1&QX=1&DESC=54&ENC=X0lQQ0JfVmFsaWRhdGVkX0 NpdHk9SG91c3RvbiZfSVBDQl9WYWxpZGF0ZWRfU3RhdGU9VFhp&QT=BNL&URL=http://www.round bell.com) Here's another one. Sometimes they have some S-Gauge (used) Trains & Planes Toys and Hobbies 8914 Westheimer Rd Houston, TX _zip code_ (http://www.switchboard.com/bin/cgiredir.dll?PR=103&AI=0&BI=15049066&LI=1700&DESC=5&ENC=X0lQQ0JfVmFsaWRhdGVkX0NpdHk9SG91c3RvbiZfSVBD Ql9WYWxpZGF0ZWRfU3RhdGU9VFhp&QT=BCL&MEM=1&CID=150&CU=Model+Trains+&T=Houston&S =TX&LO=Houston,+TX&VL=MSZIb3VzdG9uLCBUWCYmSG91c3RvbiZUWCYmMCYwJjImMiYwJQ__&QV= E6D8F048B65543A5A896C00CB07388A0l029D33305920AD4415313203O0183887C4536E9442731 3203O07821B715B34E94496313203O0386243D8D34E9444F303203&QR=1&QX=1&URL=http://ww w.switchboard.com/bin/cgiad.dll?PR=118&BI=15049066&MEM=1&CID=150&CU=Model+Trai ns+&T=Houston&S=TX&LO=Houston,+TX&VL=MSZIb3VzdG9uLCBUWCYmSG91c3RvbiZUWCYmMCYwJ jImMiYwJQ__&QV=E6D8F048B65543A5A896C00CB07388A0l029D33305920AD4415313203O01838 87C4536E94427313203O07821B715B34E94496313203O0386243D8D34E9444F303203&QR=1&QX= 1&QT=BCL) Phone: (713) 974-1277 _Visit Web site_ (http://www.switchboard.com/bin/cgiredir.dll?PR=103&AI=-2&BI=15049066&LI=946&MEM=1&CID=150&CU=Model+Trains+&T=Houston&S=TX&LO=Houston,+TX& VL=MSZIb3VzdG9uLCBUWCYmSG91c3RvbiZUWCYmMCYwJjImMiYwJQ__&QV=E6D8F048B65543A5A89 6C00CB07388A0l029D33305920AD4415313203O0183887C4536E94427313203O07821B715B34E9 4496313203O0386243D8D34E9444F303203&QR=1&QX=1&DESC=5&ENC=X0lQQ0JfVmFsaWRhdGVkX 0NpdHk9SG9 1c3RvbiZfSVBDQl9WYWxpZGF0ZWRfU3RhdGU9VFhp&QT=BCL&URL=http://www.trainsandplaneshobbies.com) I'm not sure how long you have to look and where you have to get back to go back home, but there are several other nice shops in the Houston area. Trouble is that we have such a "HUGE" Houston area you could drive all day and not visit all the shops around. Unfortunately there aren't a whole lot of just S-Gauge shops around I am on vacation the week you will be in Galveston. If you would like to meet up and let me take you to the shops I frequent, I would be glad to do so. I always look forward to meeting people who have S gauge like I do. The San Jacinto Model Railroad Club sponsors open house layout tours during the month of October around the Houston Area. There are quite a few people who open their homes for visitation and there are some S gauge homes on the tour. If you would like, I could forward you names and addresses from previous tour hosts, and you might be able to contact them if you wanted to see what they are doing with their S Gauge layouts. I go and drool every year. Please e-mail me privately at _douglasgips@..._ (mailto:douglasgips@...) if you would like to meet up. I'll be glad to forward you my phone number. Sincerely, Doug [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41281	From: Steve & Cathy Pendleton	Date: 8/15/2006
Subject: Operator grade collection for sale in Atlanta

Several of us AF enthusiasts in North metro Atlanta appraised a set nine years ago when the owner passed away. Now, his son wants to sell it. It has a layout 8'X24' with a lot of electronics and lights, etc., and Gargraves track. We used the Greenberg pocket guide and, being conservative in grading, we arrived at a value of approx. $12,000.00. I will repeat, many of the pieces were repaired with spray paint and some have incorrect parts, trucks, etc. If sincerely interested, let me know and I will have this person send a CD to you with photos of each item, and the appraisal list. Steve Pendleton [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41282	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/16/2006
Subject: Fw: Trains

What happens when a woman carries a box of trains in a office! Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael and Linda Marmer To: Toy Trains Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2006 8:15 PM Subject: Trains Linda brought home the box of Lionel trains this evening from the co-worker who found these in the attic of a house they just sold. I now know why CTT was promoting Take A Train to work because it does get ones attention or it would be a good way for a single woman to attract the attention of any male. While in the elevator, taking the box of trains, as it is a set box, Orange with blue writing, saying Lionel Trains in big letters with a picture of the Lion head, a group of men, made a comment, that she is going to play with trains? She explain, that someone found these in a house and she was taking them to me, to get some help from someone in seeing what possible value they might have, as I belong to a world wide group for trains. They made comments like Wow, Cool and How Neat. Also, a lady co-worker saw the trains and she said she would like to get some trains for her 3.5 yr old son. So, my wife explain the different gauges, as she said O might be too big and HO too small, but S would be just right, as they live in a condo. She is bringing in a S car to show her tomorrow. Also the co-worker knows that the trains will cost a few hundred, as S Helper has some starter sets. My wife told her, to go to a train show to see, as she said, we are always getting things in the mail for when a show will be in the area. Well, we got a flyer for a show in VA at the end of the month. O:)! I think she will go. I will send another email with what is in the set. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41283	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/16/2006
Subject: Train Set

This set has a set box with the number 9873 stamped on it. The box is in bad shape, as there is a ton of tape across the top and it looks like a mouse ate part of the side of it. All cars and engine have their boxes, as some of the flaps are off. I did not have the time yet to see what flaps are off, but in the box. There is a bonus of Christmas tinsel in the box. All pieces are in E to E +, as the only blemish is on the engine, by a switch in the front for the reversing unit, I think, as there is 1/4 inch round chip of paint gone. 218 SF Diesel 218C B Unit 6162 Gondola NYC with 3 Containers Maybe two are missing? 25000 Hopper Lehigh Valley 3665 Missile Launch Box car, as it does have the rocket. Brake wheel is attached. 3419 Flat Operating Helicopter car, but the helicopter is gone, and I know that is the main item for this car. 6017 Caboose Lionel Lines. I am sure, this is common items, but maybe the engine, B unit and Rocket car, might have a little value? If someone can give an idea for the owner from a Greenberg book, I would appreciate it. If anyone wants to make her an offer, I will pass it along to her, as she does not want them. Thanks, Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41284	From: ruth.leahy@colorado.edu	Date: 8/16/2006
Subject: For Sale

I have an extra copy of "American Flyer Classic Toy Trains" that has never been used. Have listed it on Ebay: item # 140016852710 if you are interested. It has some great pictures! Mike

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41285	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 8/16/2006
Subject: Pontiac Convention Lost & Found, Last Call

There was a Scenery Unlimited bag of purchases that was left in the dealer hall at the national convention. If you think it's yours, describe the contents to me and if you're right, we'll get it to you. Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41286	From: Gregg Mummert	Date: 8/17/2006
Subject: FW: NASG Pontiac Convention Photos

I finally posted some picutres from the recent convention in Pontiac. http://s-scale.org/albums/v/friends/gmummert/NASG+06/?g2_navId=x647a2cf1 Another great convention! Gregg Mummert

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41287	From: Keith Blanchard	Date: 8/17/2006
Subject: New Hazmat Detail Parts, Pine Canyon News Advert

Hi Gang, This is just a quick note to let you know about our new Hazmat Workbench and Junk Pile detail castings. Pics are on the second page of our parts pages. Here is a link to that page. We will be making more of this type of detail item as time allows. http://www.pinecanyonscalemodels.com/detailparts2s.htm Also, we will start shipping the donut shops to those that have pre- ordered, Monday. That one has been quite a project, but a very fun one. On other news, the revised gas station is looking great. We just have to get the photo model and instructions completed. We have really turned this popular kit up-side-down. The parts are now cast in our new tooling resin and the instructions, as with the donut shop are taken to the beginner level with lots of color photos and even more tips. We hope to have it off the ground within a couple more weeks or so. Keep having fun, Keith Blanchard

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41288	From: James Hannawald	Date: 8/17/2006
Subject: Prototype caboose

Can someone lead me in the right direction as to what the prototype was for the American Flyer 630 caboose. One of the towns near me has obtained a Reading Caboose with the number 92813. I would like to find some history on it. The news release says it was the caboose that Lionel modeled for their train sets. Looks more AF than Lionel. Thanks Jim [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41289	From: jnr59@aol.com	Date: 8/17/2006
Subject: Last Call for Remaining SHS and AM freight cars still for sale

Only 5 items left at discounted prices which include shipping U.S.P.S. priority before I put them up on ebay at higher prices. All cars are near new condition and come with original boxes and packing. Will send digital pictures to interested individuals. Most of these beautify cars are no longer available from the manufacturer (and perhaps from dealers) and some will likely not be produced again! Check out these prices. Jack Riely CARTYPECOLORMANUFACTURERCAR #PRICE U.P. 3-Box car Set(Cattle, MOW, Box Car)Box CarsYellow/Silver, Silver, RedAM48216,903643,18190080 U.P. Tofcee (Trailer on Flat car)FlatcarRed/Tan,Yellow/Red/Grey TSHS1532150 G.N. Bulkhead Flat with packaged lumber loadFlatcarRed/Tan, White loadSHS6040335 CNW Refrigerated CarReeferGreen&YellowSHS318635 U.P. Wooden CabooseCabooseYellow/SilverAM1871835 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41290	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 8/18/2006
Subject: Re: FW: NASG Pontiac Convention Photos

Hi Greg, Thank you for some great pictures of modules & layouts. I miss not going to every convention now that I am not national secretary so I treasure the ones I can go to. See you in Baltimore 2007? Staying on the Stony Creek branchline of NASG track, Glenn http://kulpritterpics.homestead.com/STONY_CREEK_RR.html Some progress pictures ----- Original Message ----- From: Gregg Mummert To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 12:30 PM Subject: [S-Trains] FW: NASG Pontiac Convention Photos I finally posted some picutres from the recent convention in Pontiac. http://s-scale.org/albums/v/friends/gmummert/NASG+06/?g2_navId=x647a2cf1 Another great convention! Gregg Mummert [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41291	From: jnr59@aol.com	Date: 8/18/2006
Subject: Wanted to purchase: SHS B&O 2-Bay Hopper

Group, SHS B&O 2-Bay Hopper catalog #00027-3, grey color I think? One of the car #s is #631512 but others may have been produced. Will purchase used or new. Please let me know off line. Jack Riely [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41292	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 8/18/2006
Subject: Train set

Just a update, on the train set, that a co-worker of my wife, found in her attic. I will be putting it on eBay for her, as I have never done this before. I guess there is always a first for anything in life, so here goes! I hope to have it up next week. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41293	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 8/18/2006
Subject: Re: Prototype caboose

The 630, et al caboose was a READING model, later became known as the "Northeastern Caboose". Several other builders built them I believe, But, started life on the RDG. Caboose sales added to the Readings coffers. Many smaller roads carried them on their rosters. Jim Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41294	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 8/19/2006
Subject: The curse of electronics?

Okay, this is for discussion, y'all...I'm not too sure I like all this modern electronics stuff that is going on in model railroading. All the manufacturers seem to have some problems with electronics (more in O scale than S) and problems can take months for the repairs to take place. At the hobby shop we couldn't get the boards for two Flyonel Mikados so the customers had to send them to Lionel. So far two months for one, five months for the other. Yes, there's no doubt that we get lots of neat features with electronics, but will any of these trains still run twenty years from now? Sure, I'm a maverick. I follow the K.I.S.S. principle...Keep It Simple Stupid. I run straight DC power with can motors and no need for reverse units, electronic or otherwise. I think alot of us would be happy with a steam loco with headlight and smoke, forget the rest. Well, what do you think? Stumpy Stone...waiting to hear from everyone outside Appalachia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41295	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 8/19/2006
Subject: Re: The curse of electronics?

Stumpy - I didn't know you had lektrisity thar!!! ;^) But I agree with you on general principles, although I'm being dragged kicking and screaming away from good old AC AF!! Dick Aurora, OH -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Stumpy Stone Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2006 10:23 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] The curse of electronics? Okay, this is for discussion, y'all...I'm not too sure I like all this modern electronics stuff that is going on in model railroading. All the manufacturers seem to have some problems with electronics (more in O scale than S) and problems can take months for the repairs to take place. At the hobby shop we couldn't get the boards for two Flyonel Mikados so the customers had to send them to Lionel. So far two months for one, five months for the other. Yes, there's no doubt that we get lots of neat features with electronics, but will any of these trains still run twenty years from now? Sure, I'm a maverick. I follow the K.I.S.S. principle...Keep It Simple Stupid. I run straight DC power with can motors and no need for reverse units, electronic or otherwise. I think alot of us would be happy with a steam loco with headlight and smoke, forget the rest. Well, what do you think? Stumpy Stone...waiting to hear from everyone outside Appalachia. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41296	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 8/19/2006
Subject: Re: The curse of electronics?

Stumpy, That is too bad about the lousy service for the Mikados. Unfortunately when things are made in China, sometimes replacement parts can be hard to come by. A big company like Lionel should have replacement parts and do for most but the AF line is a fairly limited edition run. What boards are bad? Was it the same for each unit? The Curse of Electronics is in most of the things made nowadays but Model trains aren't disposable like most of the electronic things today. If your TV etc. is broke it is virtually impossible to get repaired and it is cheaper to replace it. You also touch on a point that has been discussed before that how will a failed electronic device that can not be replaced affect the value of that item. I believe that train grading does not address this issue and ignores it in fact. One can always rip it all out and do as you suggest and run just DC but I am a fan of the bells and whistles. It is a conundrum... Carl -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Stumpy Stone Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2006 10:23 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] The curse of electronics? Okay, this is for discussion, y'all...I'm not too sure I like all this modern electronics stuff that is going on in model railroading. All the manufacturers seem to have some problems with electronics (more in O scale than S) and problems can take months for the repairs to take place. At the hobby shop we couldn't get the boards for two Flyonel Mikados so the customers had to send them to Lionel. So far two months for one, five months for the other. Yes, there's no doubt that we get lots of neat features with electronics, but will any of these trains still run twenty years from now? Sure, I'm a maverick. I follow the K.I.S.S. principle...Keep It Simple Stupid. I run straight DC power with can motors and no need for reverse units, electronic or otherwise. I think alot of us would be happy with a steam loco with headlight and smoke, forget the rest. Well, what do you think? Stumpy Stone...waiting to hear from everyone outside Appalachia. S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41297	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 8/19/2006
Subject: Re: The curse of electronics?

In a message dated 8/19/2006 11:12:35 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, mrstumpy@... writes: Yes, there's no doubt that we get lots of neat features with electronics, but will any of these trains still run twenty years from now Stumpy, et al, I doubt there is ANY concern for the product after the end of the warranty period for at least some of the BIG makers. This country, in particular, is far more concerned with "stuff" than the quality of it, otherwise "WallyWorld" would be in a "world of hurt". Many products have been "dumbed down" or in the case of our choices of automobiles "chipped up" as an expedient to "price points'. Call General Motors Customer Service and ask how to get better fuel economy on one of their products, the girl in the Phillipines will eventually tell you the size of the fuel tank on your vehicle. I KNOW, because it happened to me. They have NO other answer, you bought it, you live with it If you recall, sometime ago, someone figured out how to repair LIONEL circuit boards and they got a letter from "Big L's" attorney directing them to cease and desist. Supposedly "Big L" did not have nor had any plans to make replacement boards available, either. The control board in my Maytag washer burns out one little resistor, NOT available anywhere, but the board is for HUNDREDS of dollars, plus installation. It is currently much more likely that I can fix a Flyer, Marx or Lionel train than I can get my GMC's, my appliances, etc repaired. Jim "I make my living repairing" Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41298	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 8/19/2006
Subject: Re: The curse of electronics?

In a message dated 8/19/2006 11:43:38 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, carl@... writes: That is too bad about the lousy service for the Mikados. Unfortunately when things are made in China, sometimes replacement parts can be hard to come by. A big company like Lionel should have replacement parts and do for most but the AF line is a fairly limited edition run. ONCE UPON A TIME, a long time ago, there was a Federal Law requiring parts to be available for something like 20 yrs for any product made in this great land of ours. Some time ago, the Feds quietly changed the law, greatly shortening the time period, undoubtedly in response to large sums of money from manufacturers. The other point would be "Made in this great Land of ours" since the only thing made in this country now is stupid rules. So, make it overseas, NO parts liability. Factor in the reluctance of anyone to "stock" parts and you have today's situation. Jim "makin' my livin' fixin' stuff" Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41299	From: Rick Evans	Date: 8/19/2006
Subject: Re: The curse of electronics?

****((((((I think alot of us would be happy with a steam loco with headlight and smoke, forget the rest.))))***** I'm with ya on that Stumpy. Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41300	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 8/19/2006
Subject: Re: The curse of electronics?

Right on Stumpy! Just add the mechanical Choo-Choo. This is what separates "S" from all the little HO electric motors pulling what look like tiny freight and passenger cars. Today I have put legs on my layout, built an under deck for my cat and starting the plywood surface. Next foam board for molding lakes and streams then track. O Boy! Some progress pictures of my new layout. http://kulpritterpics.homestead.com/STONY_CREEK_RR.html Staying on the Stony Creek branchline of NASG track, Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: Stumpy Stone To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2006 10:23 AM Subject: [S-Trains] The curse of electronics? Okay, this is for discussion, y'all...I'm not too sure I like all this modern electronics stuff that is going on in model railroading. All the manufacturers seem to have some problems with electronics (more in O scale than S) and problems can take months for the repairs to take place. At the hobby shop we couldn't get the boards for two Flyonel Mikados so the customers had to send them to Lionel. So far two months for one, five months for the other. Yes, there's no doubt that we get lots of neat features with electronics, but will any of these trains still run twenty years from now? Sure, I'm a maverick. I follow the K.I.S.S. principle...Keep It Simple Stupid. I run straight DC power with can motors and no need for reverse units, electronic or otherwise. I think alot of us would be happy with a steam loco with headlight and smoke, forget the rest. Well, what do you think? Stumpy Stone...waiting to hear from everyone outside Appalachia. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41301	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 8/19/2006
Subject: Re: The curse of electronics?

But DON'T FORGET THE CHOO-CHOO!!! Dick Kuepper Aurora, OH -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rick Evans Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2006 12:32 PM To: STrains Subject: Re: [S-Trains] The curse of electronics? ****((((((I think alot of us would be happy with a steam loco with headlight and smoke, forget the rest.))))***** I'm with ya on that Stumpy. Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41302	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 8/19/2006
Subject: New Northerns

Just got my first sale ad in my e-mail...... 409.68..... Appears they are accepting orders now..... No delivery date listed.... Bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41303	From: David Girson	Date: 8/19/2006
Subject: Union Pacific Diesel

Looking for a AF 372 Up Diesel. Also wondered if anyone uses American Model EMD GP-35 and if so how is it? Are there any other Yellow UPs from other companies? David

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41304	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 8/19/2006
Subject: Re: The curse of electronics?

Well, I only half agree. The can motor, DC operation, Gilbert type smoke unit, (smoke and choo-choo), will leave an empty tender. So, put a speaker and electronic whistle in there. If the electronic board were to go Phhfffssstttt!!, all you would be out is the whistle, all the rest still working. So, in twenty years perhaps a but less noise in the train room, but the train still chugging along. jfred Stumpy Stone <mrstumpy@...> wrote: electronics, but will any of these trains still run twenty years from now? Sure, I'm a maverick. I follow the K.I.S.S. principle...Keep It Simple Stupid. I run straight DC power with can motors and no need for reverse units, electronic or otherwise. I think alot of us would be happy with a steam loco with headlight and smoke, forget the rest. Well, what do you think? Stumpy Stone...waiting to hear from everyone outside Appalachia. o try out the improved message search. Share feedback on the new changes to Groups . --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail Beta. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41305	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 8/19/2006
Subject: The curse of electronics? Part III

If ya gotta have them, my faith would go to manufacturers like DALLEE, because I know them and expect them to be around in 20 yrs. The BIG boys will clean their shelves off and that will be it, OR repair parts were never part of the equation. Happens all the time, warehouses are emptied of parts to force the replacement of the entire unit. MYERS PUMPS did it, TORO did it with LawnBoy because LawnBoy was about indestructable, IF the parts were available, the old stuff was repaired. Get rid of the parts, force consumer to buy new product. Probably not better or as durable, but, NEW SALE. Frees up lots of warehouse space and probably gets rid of jobs also. How many toy train jobs left in Chesterfiled, MI???? Jim "mowing with a 20 yr old LawnBoy, along the BroadWay" Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41306	From: Bill Adams	Date: 8/19/2006
Subject: LED Lamps

Does anyone out there have any experience with using replacement LED lamps for switches, bumpers, streetlights, et al?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41307	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 8/20/2006
Subject: Re: LED Lamps

Dear Bill, Once I saw the "golden white" LEDs, the decision was made to replace all of our head and tail lights with LEDs. Two things you will need to keep in mind. Being these are diodes, the polarity is important. Also, the voltage, we had to add resistors to drop the voltage. We also use LEDs for the lights in our bumpers. Being our track is used for with DCC (hi-frequency AC signal, DC and AC, we had a circuit designed for our bumper LED that would work with each type of current. Best regards, Don Bill Adams wrote: > Does anyone out there have any experience with using replacement LED > lamps for switches, bumpers, streetlights, et al? > > <mailto:S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe> > > > . > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41308	From: geep39	Date: 8/20/2006
Subject: Re: AF Caboose Prototype

Jim: The American Flyer caboose is based on Reading class NMh. You'll see that designation on just about every red caboose that AF produced in the lower left hand corner of the side. For the record, the caboose that Lionel commonly used in its train sets is based on a Southern Pacific design that was published in several editions of the Car Builders' Dictionary. Lionel rammed its influence into AF by producing an S-scaled version of that car, first produced in Nickel Plate paint. The Reading caboose was developed in response to laws requiring increased length for cabooses, and adapted from the USRA caboose and PRR N-5 class designs. Look at those two, and the resemblance is striking. They were built in the Reading's shops. The Reading also built cabooses for the Lehigh and New England, and Central RR of New Jersey. Bethlehem Steel developed and supplied "kits" of the design that were assembled by the Lehigh Valley, Western Maryland, and Pittsburgh & West Virginia in their own shops. It is possible that Bethlehem Steel may have had large influence in the Reading's production as well. The 92813 that your nearby town acquired is a fairly early example of Reading Cabooses, and may well be an NMh, I'll have to look it up. I suspect that it has windows plated over by the Reading when they "updated" a number of cabooses in the 1970's. Steve

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41309	From: Gerald Dobbs	Date: 8/20/2006
Subject: Re: The curse of electronics?

For me I will stay with the old, Gilbert, made in the USA Same as I receiver for Christmas in 1940. No real problem with new technology, just like my old toys. New stuff ? I pick up junk, convert, repaint, and restore. This is my hobby. Jerry 77-11644

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41310	From: Robert E. Yablonski	Date: 8/20/2006
Subject: The Curse of Electronics

The curse of electronics is worse that you think. I am in the electronics business. The European Union has established ROHS (reduction of hazardous substances) requirements on all electronics destined to be sold in Europe. A lots of other countries including California thought that was a good idea, ban all that bad stuff like lead. A consequence of this action is all the parts you could buy last year have been obsoleted. Part numbers Kaput. The manufactures have decided to trash non-profitable items as they switch over to compliant materials. You are not able to buy repair parts for things made just a few months ago. The electronics in the model industry use custom IC's, the content of which is a closely guarded secret. If you do not have a box of them as spares you will not be able to fix anything. Where would you get a box of custom IC's? During the 1940's and 1950's printed circuit boards replaced hand wiring for many products. It was learned that tin plating on the traces would grow whiskers that shorted out the traces on the boards. The manufactures learned that lead when plated over the tin retarded the growth of the whiskers thus preventing the shorts. The new ROHS directive specifically eliminates lead (except for the military, medical and aircraft electronics). The shorts are back. Until new processes are invented to prevent the whisker growth, we are going to be bombarded with short lived electronic modules. Six months life for a cell phone may be acceptable. Six months life for a model train is not. Curse, Curse, Curse R. Yablonski [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41311	From: Bruce D. Willis	Date: 8/20/2006
Subject: Re: The curse of electronics?

That's why I'm looking forward to the Flyonel Northern - minimal electronics. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Stumpy Stone" <mrstumpy@...> wrote: I think alot of us would be happy with a steam loco with headlight and smoke, forget the rest. Stumpy Stone...waiting to hear from everyone outside Appalachia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41312	From: Gerry Evans dba Best of Show Model Build	Date: 8/20/2006
Subject: Re: LED Lamps

BILL & Company: Take a peek at www.miniatronics.com for LED and incandescent applications. Beg or buy a catalogue as their web site in not a piece of cake to use. The catalogue will brighten your day. So far, I've loved what I've bought though they are somewhat, though not unreasonably, expensive. They have the best 1.5v bulbs I've ever seen. Gerry Evans In Flagstaff [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41313	From: James Siverling	Date: 8/20/2006
Subject: Re: LED Lamps

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 41314	From: Roy Inman	Date: 8/21/2006
Subject: Help! One30 conversion

Hi all; I know this has been discussed before, but could someone please pass along any information, or where to find it, about how to convert the Bachmann On30 cars to S. I assume it is as simple as changing out the trucks, but maybe not... Any suggestions greatly appreciated :) Roy Inman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41315	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 8/21/2006
Subject: Re: NEED E-BAY HELP

Anyone one have a phone # for E-Bay? I cannot access my account. Every page I go to report the problem, I am asked to sign in. I can't. Thank You, Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41316	From: Rick Evans	Date: 8/21/2006
Subject: Re: Help! One30 conversion

Here ya go Roy. http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/on3/on3.html I have done a few pieces of rolling stock. RicK. Hi all; I know this has been discussed before, but could someone please pass along any information, or where to find it, about how to convert the Bachmann On30 cars to S. I assume it is as simple as changing out the trucks, but maybe not... Any suggestions greatly appreciated :) Roy Inman S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41317	From: Robert Graves	Date: 8/21/2006
Subject: Re: NEED E-BAY HELP

I have submitted a help request on your behalf to ebay customer support from my account, asking that they contact you at your email address. Good luck! Bob anormal1@... wrote: Anyone one have a phone # for E-Bay? I cannot access my account. Every page I go to report the problem, I am asked to sign in. I can't. Thank You, Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41318	From: Ironhorse	Date: 8/21/2006
Subject: Re: Can motor special ?

> > I am wondering if there is a difference with the new motors ? Comment?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41319	From: ken garber	Date: 8/21/2006
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Re: [S-Trains] Help! One30 conversion

One of the fellows in the Michigan group has converted a few of their passenger cars, and I've started on a couple (very low priority). Besides widening the gauge of the trucks, the modification is to drop the roof by one window section. I don't have pictures or details but someone may. ken On 8/21/06, Rick Evans <bassflyer@...> wrote: > > Here ya go Roy. > http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/on3/on3.html > I have done a few pieces of rolling stock. > > RicK. > > > > Hi all; > I know this has been discussed before, but could someone please pass along > any information, or where to find it, about how to convert the Bachmann > On30 > cars to S. I assume it is as simple as changing out the trucks, but maybe > not... > Any suggestions greatly appreciated :) > Roy Inman > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41320	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 8/21/2006
Subject: Re: HELP

Thank all of you that answered. I just got my computer back on line. Seems like everything happens at once, Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41321	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 8/21/2006
Subject: Re: Can motor special ?

There definitely was a difference with the first one I used. It was the Baldwin conversion can motor. Ran it through a whole Christmas show last year. Carlton [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41322	From: Roy Inman	Date: 8/21/2006
Subject: Thanks,re: On30 help

Thanks to all who helped me with my question concerning the conversion of the Bachmann On30 cars to S. It does sound pretty simple. Just BTW, our KC S Gaugers club is participating in the Irish Fest Labor Day weekend at Crown Center (an urban shopping mall/offices/apartments complex) in KC. Our layout will be part of the Kansas City Southern's exhibit which tells the tale of the Irish and the railroads. It will be an excellent opportunity to showcase S to a wider audience, and a large audience at that. I plan to convert several B-Mann On30 cars to run on that layout, which is a sorta-kinda 1890's~1900's era theme. Cheers :) Roy Inman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41323	From: T Larson	Date: 8/22/2006
Subject: Wanted

I'm making some changes to my diesel fleet. Does anybody have a Great Northern SHelperService F7-B unit that is underutilized, needs a new home? Please reply off-list. -- Ted Larson Start at bottom of page http://www.lyndonroad.com/pphotos.html

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41324	From: jnr59@aol.com	Date: 8/22/2006
Subject: Only 3 freight cars left for sale: 2 SHS, 1 AM

The following cars are left for sale @$35 per car INCLUDING SHIPPING USPS PRIORITY WITH DELIVERY CONFIRMATION. All with original box and packing/documentation and in near new condition with miniscule track time. Will send pix to interested folks. Please respond off line via email. Car #s 60403 3186 18718 CARTYPECOLORMANUFACTURER G.N. Bulkhead Flat Car w/ pack'g'd lumber loadFlatcarRed/Tan, White loadSHS CNW Refrigerated CarReeferGreen&YellowSHS U.P. Wooden CabooseCabooseYellow/SilverAM Jack Riely [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41325	From: sootkid	Date: 8/22/2006
Subject: TRADE SHS PARTS

I would like to trade two sets of scale s helper services wheelsets, knuckle couplers with the knuckle box FOR two sets of highrail s helper services wheelsets and s helper american flyer compadible knuckle couplers with shank THIS CAME FROM A HOPPER NOT A ENGINE

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41326	From: Gerald Dobbs	Date: 8/23/2006
Subject: On30

I have modified passenger cars only. I cut the truck down the middle and widened it, installed K-Line wheels, painted the right wheel trucks with electrical conductive paint, added two add'l lamps to each car. I have run them for about a year and no derailments, and the lamps work well. If I had fright cars I would try the same widening of the trucks and use K-Line wheels. I purchased "S" K-Line freight cars for the $11.00 specials,replaced the trucks with lionel trucks and sold the cars for $15.. replaced the K-Line wheels that came with the trucks with A.F. wheels which work well, and give sprung trucks. and used the K-Line wheels in the On30 trucks to give them weight and lighting ability. Jerry 77-11644

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41327	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 8/24/2006
Subject: On30 conversions

I've done several freight cars and find that either S-Helper or American Models trucks and couplers under Bachmann cars are easy. Just file off the On30 coupler box and use the original Bachmann truck screw and a flat washer to mount the S trucks in the same hole. I have not done any cabooses or passenger cars yet, but I intend to try electrical pick up S trucks from SHS or AM and their long shank couplers on those. Stumpy Stone...happily mixing and matching S and On30 in Martins Ferry, OH.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41328	From: Sam Blum	Date: 8/24/2006
Subject: motor time?

Is there a difference between can motors and new motors, in speed, how long it takes to go off and price? Answer would be nice any one who know please tell me

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41329	From: plasticvilleking	Date: 8/24/2006
Subject: S-Gauge layout. pros and cons

Hello to all! Been busy cleaning up after a flood here, had to take down my layouts. Thinking about having a layout custom made for me. Has anyone in the group done this? What are some pros and cons on having a layout custom built? And how about pros and cons on doing them again myself? Hank

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41330	From: Rick Evans	Date: 8/24/2006
Subject: Re: On30 conversions

****((((( I have not done any cabooses or passenger cars yet, but I intend to try electrical pick up S trucks from SHS or AM and their long shank couplers on those.))))***** I haven't tackled the coaches yet, they are a bit more work. I used the SHS caboose trucks on my On30 caboose. Rick. S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41331	From: Robert Graves	Date: 8/24/2006
Subject: Re: S-Gauge layout. pros and cons

I've never had a custom layout done. I've just done them myself. To me, the obvious question is whether you like doing that kind of work. If you do, that's the biggest pro for doing it yourself and the biggest con of the custom job. If you don't, it's exactly the other way around. Personally, I thrive on the creative process and the challenge of figuring things out for myself, as you can see on my Lessons Learned pages: http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/operations.html I don't expect I'll ever have a custom job done. Bob plasticvilleking <plasticvilleking@...> wrote: Hello to all! Been busy cleaning up after a flood here, had to take down my layouts. Thinking about having a layout custom made for me. Has anyone in the group done this? What are some pros and cons on having a layout custom built? And how about pros and cons on doing them again myself? Hank --------------------------------- Get your email and more, right on the new Yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41332	From: Roy Inman	Date: 8/25/2006
Subject: Re: S-Gauge layout. pros and cons

Hi Robert; I have only built modular layouts. I hope to be able to soon start on a permanent one. What I have found is that there is considerable satisfaction in putting together such a creative piece of work. For me, the sheer pride of having done it myself is very important. However, as you well know, putting together a good layout requires considerable investment of time and energy. Which means that the time you spend "playing with trains" can take away from family activities and community groups outside the home. In my particular case, I would rate my modeling skills as about a solid "C" if one were to grade my efforts. So while my work may bring satisfaction, it is not of the sort to win any prices at the next NMRA convention. A good train buddy of mine did build custom layouts as his livelihood. He has since had to back off from that as a full-time occupation, but still does a few. His work is amazing. And, he is fast. I saw him put together a custom layout in Union Station in a matter of a few weeks. Tunnels, a mountain, etc. I am relatively slow. From your post I kind of get the feeling that the project seems a little overwhelming to you right now, and if so, if you went ahead and did it yourself you might get discouraged somewhere along the line and not complete it. I am just speculating here, no offense intended, please. Or, maybe if you just give it all a rest and get involved in some other phase of model railroading, and after things settle in your mind a bit, you might find it easier to make the decision. A sabbatical as it were. Just IMHO... :) Roy Inman plasticvilleking <plasticvilleking@... <mailto:plasticvilleking%40yahoo.com> > wrote: Hello to all! Been busy cleaning up after a flood here, had to take down my layouts. Thinking about having a layout custom made for me. Has anyone in the group done this? What are some pros and cons on having a layout custom built? And how about pros and cons on doing them again myself? Hank --------------------------------- Get your email and more, right on the new Yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41333	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 8/25/2006
Subject: Re: S-Gauge layout. pros and cons

PROA AND CONS ABOUT HAVING A LAYOUT BUILT...... I too have thought about it...... But, althought I have not explored the costs, I theink the price is very high.... One lady on the list was quoted around 35,000... Maybe others can add to this..... Example...... room 8'-8: x 13'-8"..... 2'-8" around the room....... HOW MUCH.???? all track and rubber roadbed supplied..... mutiple elevations.... COST Ideas.????.... Bob..... PS YOU MISS THE FUN OF DOING IT YOURSELF !!!!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: Roy Inman To: Robert Graves ; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 12:32 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] S-Gauge layout. pros and cons Hi Robert; I have only built modular layouts. I hope to be able to soon start on a permanent one. What I have found is that there is considerable satisfaction in putting together such a creative piece of work. For me, the sheer pride of having done it myself is very important. However, as you well know, putting together a good layout requires considerable investment of time and energy. Which means that the time you spend "playing with trains" can take away from family activities and community groups outside the home. In my particular case, I would rate my modeling skills as about a solid "C" if one were to grade my efforts. So while my work may bring satisfaction, it is not of the sort to win any prices at the next NMRA convention. A good train buddy of mine did build custom layouts as his livelihood. He has since had to back off from that as a full-time occupation, but still does a few. His work is amazing. And, he is fast. I saw him put together a custom layout in Union Station in a matter of a few weeks. Tunnels, a mountain, etc. I am relatively slow. From your post I kind of get the feeling that the project seems a little overwhelming to you right now, and if so, if you went ahead and did it yourself you might get discouraged somewhere along the line and not complete it. I am just speculating here, no offense intended, please. Or, maybe if you just give it all a rest and get involved in some other phase of model railroading, and after things settle in your mind a bit, you might find it easier to make the decision. A sabbatical as it were. Just IMHO... :) Roy Inman plasticvilleking <plasticvilleking@... <mailto:plasticvilleking%40yahoo.com> > wrote: Hello to all! Been busy cleaning up after a flood here, had to take down my layouts. Thinking about having a layout custom made for me. Has anyone in the group done this? What are some pros and cons on having a layout custom built? And how about pros and cons on doing them again myself? Hank --------------------------------- Get your email and more, right on the new Yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41334	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 8/25/2006
Subject: Re: S-Gauge layout. pros and cons

Hi Robert, Pros and cons! Building a simple layout can be very rewarding because friends, neighbors and the public just love to see trains running. Sometimes the more detail and scenery you build will not please them any more than a basic train layout. I will post pictures here of my progress. http://kulpritterpics.homestead.com/STONY_CREEK_RR.html My former layout. http://www.ramshillfarm.com/GlennRitter/Family/ModelRR/Belfry.html Then there are the simple but fun modular layouts. North Penn S Gaugers (local Club) at: http://www.ramshillfarm.com/GlennRitter/Family/ModelRR/AltoonaCon.html http://npsg3.homestead.com/files/npsgi.htm The cons are that you can't invite in rivet counters and scale modelers because they will give you all kinds of constructive criticism. When you read Model Railroader and Classic Toy trains you can get discouraged by the glamour or layouts that took years of work and thousands of dollars. What gets me is the often printed disclaimer that by the time it is published it has been torn down and no longer exists. Others have been build by professionals at a huge cost and little skill on the owners part. Staying on the Stony Creek branchline of NASG track, Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: Roy Inman To: Robert Graves ; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 12:32 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] S-Gauge layout. pros and cons Hi Robert; I have only built modular layouts. I hope to be able to soon start on a permanent one. What I have found is that there is considerable satisfaction in putting together such a creative piece of work. For me, the sheer pride of having done it myself is very important. However, as you well know, putting together a good layout requires considerable investment of time and energy. Which means that the time you spend "playing with trains" can take away from family activities and community groups outside the home. In my particular case, I would rate my modeling skills as about a solid "C" if one were to grade my efforts. So while my work may bring satisfaction, it is not of the sort to win any prices at the next NMRA convention. A good train buddy of mine did build custom layouts as his livelihood. He has since had to back off from that as a full-time occupation, but still does a few. His work is amazing. And, he is fast. I saw him put together a custom layout in Union Station in a matter of a few weeks. Tunnels, a mountain, etc. I am relatively slow. From your post I kind of get the feeling that the project seems a little overwhelming to you right now, and if so, if you went ahead and did it yourself you might get discouraged somewhere along the line and not complete it. I am just speculating here, no offense intended, please. Or, maybe if you just give it all a rest and get involved in some other phase of model railroading, and after things settle in your mind a bit, you might find it easier to make the decision. A sabbatical as it were. Just IMHO... :) Roy Inman plasticvilleking <plasticvilleking@... <mailto:plasticvilleking%40yahoo.com> > wrote: Hello to all! Been busy cleaning up after a flood here, had to take down my layouts. Thinking about having a layout custom made for me. Has anyone in the group done this? What are some pros and cons on having a layout custom built? And how about pros and cons on doing them again myself? Hank --------------------------------- Get your email and more, right on the new Yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41335	From: SnSTrains@aol.com	Date: 8/25/2006
Subject: Can motor close out reminder.

Just a reminder that the special reduced pricing on 2nd generation can motors ends at midnight on Aug 31, 2006. We have 7 of them left. 3rd generation motors to debut on Sept 1 and will be $2 higher than the current generation. Baldwin kits and Diesel conversions to remain at current pricing. Steve S-'n-S Trains American Flyer replacement can motors S-Gauge Videos American Flyer repair S and O gauge track cleaners 3239 Pepperwood Dr. Boise, Idaho 83704 208-376-1159 SnStrains@... www.s-scaletrains.com/s-n-s/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41336	From: Steven Allen	Date: 8/25/2006
Subject: Great Northern SW-9 For Sale

I have a SHS SW-9 #00428 for sale, it has never been run, only out of the box once. I also have some midwestern/western road name rolling stock for sale, along with some misc SHS TOFC trailers. Reasonable prices. If there is anyone interested, please contact me offline. Thanks, Steven Allen

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41337	From: Velapoldi's	Date: 8/25/2006
Subject: NASG in Baltimore

Hi all: Currently sitting in Montgomery, AL and reading some of the e-mails I got while on vacation. Where and when will next year's NASG meeting be (where in Baltimore) so that I can plan to visit my son in Columbia and attend the meet. Tx for info Rance Velapoldi (Norway)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41338	From: John Foley	Date: 8/25/2006
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} NASG in Baltimore

Hi Rance You will find the info you need at http://www.baafc.org/ John ----- Original Message ----- From: Velapoldi's To: s-scale@yahoogroups.com ; s-trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 15:38 Subject: {S-Scale List} NASG in Baltimore Hi all: Currently sitting in Montgomery, AL and reading some of the e-mails I got while on vacation. Where and when will next year's NASG meeting be (where in Baltimore) so that I can plan to visit my son in Columbia and attend the meet. Tx for info Rance Velapoldi (Norway) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41339	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 8/25/2006
Subject: Re,S gauge layouts;pros and cons

Got no time and lots of money? Have a layout custom built. Otherwise I'd build it myself. I've built dozens of layouts in several scales over the years. When I was younger, I tried to build huge layouts. Always complained about "not enough room" and never finished any of them. Now I build small layouts, and have finished every one built in the past few years. Actually, I learned a lot more by building many small layouts! If you want to build a new layout and fill a whole basement, try doing it the John Allen way. Build a small but complete layout that can become part of a bigger, more complex railroad. Try new track laying or scenery techniques on it. This way, you'll get something up and running quickly that is finished. Actually, you could build the whole layout this way, a complete section at a time. Take a look in the S Trains PHOTOS section in the STUMPY'S STUFF album for a really small layout. By adding one switch to this layout, it could become part of a larger world. Stumpy Stone...small layout builder...Martins Ferry, OH.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41340	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 8/25/2006
Subject: Re: Re,S gauge layouts;pros and cons

I like to kid Stumpy about some of his postings, but I can guarantee (having seen his work) that his layouts ar FIRST CLASS!! Dick Kuepper Aurora, Oh -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Stumpy Stone Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 8:11 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re,S gauge layouts;pros and cons Got no time and lots of money? Have a layout custom built. Otherwise I'd build it myself. I've built dozens of layouts in several scales over the years. When I was younger, I tried to build huge layouts. Always complained about "not enough room" and never finished any of them. Now I build small layouts, and have finished every one built in the past few years. Actually, I learned a lot more by building many small layouts! If you want to build a new layout and fill a whole basement, try doing it the John Allen way. Build a small but complete layout that can become part of a bigger, more complex railroad. Try new track laying or scenery techniques on it. This way, you'll get something up and running quickly that is finished. Actually, you could build the whole layout this way, a complete section at a time. Take a look in the S Trains PHOTOS section in the STUMPY'S STUFF album for a really small layout. By adding one switch to this layout, it could become part of a larger world. Stumpy Stone...small layout builder...Martins Ferry, OH. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41341	From: rodgercunningham	Date: 8/25/2006
Subject: Custom layout pros and cons

When that way years ago. When I had mine done, i just didn't have time to do one myself. So, i hired a custom layout builder. My layout was great, but it really wasn't want i wanted. The reason was I wasn't there to oversee the building. The builder kept sending me photos and videos, but it wasn't the same as being there. Also keep in mind is the price. Many cost the same as a nice new car. Keep in mind I said new, not used. Some even the cost of a small house. On the pro side, the mess factor. If you live somewhere you don't have the room to work, this might be the way to go. If you can't handle tools, then a custom builder might be the way to go. Here is a idea for you, I've been doing this for the last few years. I just run my train on the basement floor. If I get tired of the design i just go and do a new one. This way you can just pick up everything if you have to move. As I said earier, I had one custom made for me, but when we moved we couldn't take it with us. Had to sell it with the house. One nice thing about that was it did help us sell the house, as the buyer was a toy train collector.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41342	From: RCESpeak	Date: 8/26/2006
Subject: S-Gauge PROs and CONs

Hi Hank, I have never had a custom layout built. And I for one would not. It is just too much fun creating your own. Even though I had no idea what I was doing nor what I was getting into when I started my layout, I wouldn't trade the knowledge learned, experience gained and sheer fun I've had through these first 5 years. There is one more option for you that I haven't seen posted. You could have part of the layout done and you could finish it up. For example, you could have a basic design done, benchwork built and maybe even track laid. Then you could take over and do the remainder. This is sort of a compromise approach as opposed to having it all done by someone else or doing it all yourself. Just a thought. Let us know what you decide.... Barb

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41343	From: Robert Graves	Date: 8/26/2006
Subject: Pictures needed: Long-truck Pullman Heavyweights

Does anyone have the 1946 Long-truck Pullman Heavyweights (652-654) with silver serif lettering? I need pictures of them in both red and green for The Gilbert Gallery. http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/Pullman_Heavyweight_sets.html I also need the red and green 1947 #653 combination car with white sans serif lettering, and the green 1947 #654 observation car. I'd sure appreciate it if you could send me any of those that you have. Thanks. Bob --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41344	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 8/26/2006
Subject: Sunday Chat, 8/27/2006, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 41345	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 8/26/2006
Subject: Re: RON LEVINGTON

Anyone have the E-mail address or web site for Ron Levington? Also anyone have a website for the person that sells old org. Flyer boxes? Thank You, Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41346	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 8/26/2006
Subject: Do we need die cast?

Okay y'all...here's another question looking for comment..... Everyone in the toy train thing seems to think a steam loco must have a die cast metal boiler. Die casting molding processes are better today than ever before, but plastic still allows more detail and is often cheaper to manufacture. Some years back, I told the new MTH sales rep that they needed to go to plastic shells to improve detail and lower costs. A slug of lead inside would take care of traction. He said no one in O gauge 3 rail would accept plastic shelled steam locos. He said people would pay more for metal because they thought weight denoted quality. As we know many of Gilbert's steamers were made in plastic, not to mention the diesels. Those Pull More traction tires eliminated the need for boiler weight. Yet today we still have steam locos with metal boilers being manufactured. Why not save the manufacturer and customer some money while adding more detail by going to plastic shells on steam locomotives? Stumpy Stone...thinking out loud in Martins Ferry, OH.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41347	From: Ron Inscho	Date: 8/26/2006
Subject: LEVENTON HOBBY SUPPLY

http://www.americanflyerparts.com/index.htm [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41348	From: Phil K	Date: 8/26/2006
Subject: Re: Do we need die cast?

Stump -- While I agree with your premise, I would think certain groups would create an uproar over any potential child's toy that had lead in it, even as a weight. After all, aren't we trying to get kids involved? Phil K ************************************************************** --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Stumpy Stone" <mrstumpy@...> wrote: > > Okay y'all...here's another question looking for comment..... > Everyone in the toy train thing seems to think a steam loco must > have a die cast metal boiler. Die casting molding processes are > better today than ever before, but plastic still allows more detail > and is often cheaper to manufacture. > Some years back, I told the new MTH sales rep that they needed to go > to plastic shells to improve detail and lower costs. A slug of lead > inside would take care of traction. He said no one in O gauge 3 rail > would accept plastic shelled steam locos. He said people would pay > more for metal because they thought weight denoted quality. > As we know many of Gilbert's steamers were made in plastic, not to > mention the diesels. Those Pull More traction tires eliminated the > need for boiler weight. Yet today we still have steam locos with > metal boilers being manufactured. > Why not save the manufacturer and customer some money while adding > more detail by going to plastic shells on steam locomotives? > Stumpy Stone...thinking out loud in Martins Ferry, OH. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41349	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 8/26/2006
Subject: Re: Do we need die cast?

Die cast Zamac has NO lead in it. Thank you Larry Jackman Boca Raton FL ljack70117@... On Aug 26, 2006, at 9:30 PM, Phil K wrote: > Stump -- > > While I agree with your premise, I would think certain groups would > create an uproar over any potential child's toy that had lead in it, > even as a weight. After all, aren't we trying to get kids involved? > > Phil K > > ************************************************************** > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Stumpy Stone" <mrstumpy@...> wrote: >> >> Okay y'all...here's another question looking for comment..... >> Everyone in the toy train thing seems to think a steam loco must >> have a die cast metal boiler. Die casting molding processes are >> better today than ever before, but plastic still allows more > detail >> and is often cheaper to manufacture. >> Some years back, I told the new MTH sales rep that they needed > to go >> to plastic shells to improve detail and lower costs. A slug of > lead >> inside would take care of traction. He said no one in O gauge 3 > rail >> would accept plastic shelled steam locos. He said people would > pay >> more for metal because they thought weight denoted quality. >> As we know many of Gilbert's steamers were made in plastic, not > to >> mention the diesels. Those Pull More traction tires eliminated > the >> need for boiler weight. Yet today we still have steam locos with >> metal boilers being manufactured. >> Why not save the manufacturer and customer some money while > adding >> more detail by going to plastic shells on steam locomotives? >> Stumpy Stone...thinking out loud in Martins Ferry, OH. >> > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41350	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 8/26/2006
Subject: Re: THANKS FOR RON LEVINGTON

Thanks to all who responded, Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41351	From: jnr59@aol.com	Date: 8/27/2006
Subject: Wanted: SHS Fruit Growers Express Reefer/Reefers from 3-car set #695

Interested in purchasing 1 to all 3 reefers from the SHS Fruit Growers Express 3-Car Reefer Set #00695. Please let me know off line if you have one or more of these cars you would be willing to sell. I'd prefer new but slightly used is OK. Jack Riely, Member NASG Lake St. Louis, MO [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41352	From: beebear	Date: 8/27/2006
Subject: Remote switches

Hello all I would like to sell the rest of the remote AF switches I have. I will sell in pairs with the controller. Any offers contact me off list please at beebear@... John [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41353	From: beebear	Date: 8/27/2006
Subject: curved AF track

I have 2 boxes of AF curved track for free - you just have to pay shipping or trade ??? If no takers it will end up in the recycling bin Reply off list at beebear@... John [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41354	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 8/27/2006
Subject: Layout Pictures!

Due to the help of Rick Evans, I now have an album in the "S scale.org" photo albums like alot of the rest of y'all! "Stumpy Stone's Trains" contains photos of my "home" layout which is a 4x6' portable layout using S Helper Service sectional track. I'll add more as I can....enjoy! Thanks Rick Stumpy in Appalachia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41355	From: muphythekid	Date: 8/27/2006
Subject: Re; Custom layouts

First: i would like to say that I am new to the group. My kids got me this computer as a gift while i get back up on my feet. Second: As to the custom layout question. I am unable to build a layout myself do to health problems. if i want a layout i would have to have it custom made. The problem with that is, i don't have the funds to have this done, not even a 4X8 or 5X9 is in my budget. I have priced these out, it would cost between $7500.00 to $10,000.00. Medical bills and the such come first, going out to eat and vacations get but on the back burners. Even layout track on the floor is not a option as i can't get down on the floor to do so. How about this option for you: Do you have any friends with S-Gauge trains? Maybe you could run them on their layouts, or have them help you rebuild what was destoryed? You have to weight your options and see what can be done. Well, that's my two cents on this. Hope all work's out well for you! Bob

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41356	From: beebear	Date: 8/27/2006
Subject: AF Switches

Thanks to all who replied about the AF switches THEY ARE SOLD John [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41357	From: David Dewey	Date: 8/27/2006
Subject: Flyonel Northern, heavyweights, PIC anywhere??

HI all, Been off to the Big Island, and have had nothing but computer & internet problems since returning--AAUGH!! I think it may be my phone line, I'll start battling with them tomorrow! Anyway, I read that the Flyonel Northern & the new heavyweights were on display at the NASG convention--but no picutures yet? Didn't anyone take a picture, or did I miss the posting? Maybe Big L didn't allow photography?? (after all, it is a Union Pacific item, & we know how picky they are about logos, etc!) :) Inquiring minds want to see. See y'all at chat, though I'll probably be late. . .. (as usual) S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41358	From: Rick Evans	Date: 8/27/2006
Subject: Re: Layout Pictures!

Stumpy wrote: "Due to the help of Rick Evans, I now have an album in the "S scale.org" photo albums like alot of the rest of y'all! "Stumpy Stone's Trains" contains photos of my "home" layout which is a 4x6' portable layout using S Helper Service sectional track." For those that don't know, Stumpy's album and other's, can be found at: http://s-scale.org/albums/v/friends/ If you would like to have an album there, let me know. Rick. S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41359	From: Phil K	Date: 8/27/2006
Subject: Re: Re; Custom layouts

WOW! $7500 for a 4x8 layout? Using what -- gold-plated track and having Norm Abrams himself doing the construction? Welcome to the forum. I can't help but think that someone from a local S club couldn't do you a simple 4x8 or 5x9 layout on plywood for under $500 or so, including materials. Final price would depend on how complicated you want the trackwork, and how scenicked it would be. I'd think just to have a place to run trains for the time being would require nothing more than a piece of green-painted plywood with some track on it, with a couple of turnouts. Such a layout built by skilled hands shouldn't take more than a long afternoon. Phil K --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "muphythekid" <muphythekid@...> wrote: > > First: i would like to say that I am new to the group. My kids got > me this computer as a gift while i get back up on my feet. > > Second: As to the custom layout question. I am unable to build a > layout myself do to health problems. if i want a layout i would > have to have it custom made. > > The problem with that is, i don't have the funds to have this done, > not even a 4X8 or 5X9 is in my budget. I have priced these out, it > would cost between $7500.00 to $10,000.00. Medical bills and the > such come first, going out to eat and vacations get but on the back > burners. > > Even layout track on the floor is not a option as i can't get down > on the floor to do so. > > How about this option for you: Do you have any friends with S- Gauge > trains? Maybe you could run them on their layouts, or have them > help you rebuild what was destoryed? > > You have to weight your options and see what can be done. Well, > that's my two cents on this. Hope all work's out well for you! Bob >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41360	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 8/27/2006
Subject: LAYOUT PLAN

The track plan is what I need help on... My room is 9'-4" x 13'-8"... wanted a shelf 2'-8" wide.... easy reach.... I want 2 main lines, and elevated lines.... bridges , cayoyns, yards, turntable, etc...... maybe I ought to start a contest....... then publish all the answers...... most Bed rooms are about this size..... BTW .... one corner needs a lift up bridge for entry..... Bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41361	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 8/27/2006
Subject: Re: Re; Custom layouts

Phil..... 7500 probley would be a basic layout too..... Thats why I asked the question.... How much? for say a 9' x 14' round the wall 2'-8" wide...... whats the guestimate of this group..... all AF track supplied.... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: Phil K To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2006 6:10 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Re; Custom layouts WOW! $7500 for a 4x8 layout? Using what -- gold-plated track and having Norm Abrams himself doing the construction? Welcome to the forum. I can't help but think that someone from a local S club couldn't do you a simple 4x8 or 5x9 layout on plywood for under $500 or so, including materials. Final price would depend on how complicated you want the trackwork, and how scenicked it would be. I'd think just to have a place to run trains for the time being would require nothing more than a piece of green-painted plywood with some track on it, with a couple of turnouts. Such a layout built by skilled hands shouldn't take more than a long afternoon. Phil K --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "muphythekid" <muphythekid@...> wrote: > > First: i would like to say that I am new to the group. My kids got > me this computer as a gift while i get back up on my feet. > > Second: As to the custom layout question. I am unable to build a > layout myself do to health problems. if i want a layout i would > have to have it custom made. > > The problem with that is, i don't have the funds to have this done, > not even a 4X8 or 5X9 is in my budget. I have priced these out, it > would cost between $7500.00 to $10,000.00. Medical bills and the > such come first, going out to eat and vacations get but on the back > burners. > > Even layout track on the floor is not a option as i can't get down > on the floor to do so. > > How about this option for you: Do you have any friends with S- Gauge > trains? Maybe you could run them on their layouts, or have them > help you rebuild what was destoryed? > > You have to weight your options and see what can be done. Well, > that's my two cents on this. Hope all work's out well for you! Bob > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41362	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 8/27/2006
Subject: Re: Flyonel Northern, heavyweights, PIC anywhere??

----- Original Message ----- From: David Dewey . . . . .I read that the Flyonel Northern & the new heavyweights were on display at the NASG convention--but no picutures yet? > > > > > > --------Response----------- I took several pictures at the convention, including two at the Lionel table. I just tried putting them in the files section of this group, because you get better quality that way, but it rejected them saying "The disk space allotted for this community is not big enough for your file." So they're in the photos section, under "Picutres from Pontoiac Convention." I set up the folder so that anyone can add pictures to it. The pictures are not very sharp, maybe somebody got in closer. They should be at http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/browse/f24b I'll put more pictures of interest in when I get a chance. Tom Hawley -- Lansing MI

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41363	From: Robert Graves	Date: 8/27/2006
Subject: Re: Flyonel Northern, heavyweights, PIC anywhere??

Tom's picture is now on The Gilbert Gallery! www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/engines-Northern.html Thanks, Tom! Bob Tom Hawley <t.hawley@...> wrote: ----- Original Message ----- From: David Dewey . . . . .I read that the Flyonel Northern & the new heavyweights were on display at the NASG convention--but no picutures yet? > > > > > > --------Response----------- I took several pictures at the convention, including two at the Lionel table. I just tried putting them in the files section of this group, because you get better quality that way, but it rejected them saying "The disk space allotted for this community is not big enough for your file." So they're in the photos section, under "Picutres from Pontoiac Convention." I set up the folder so that anyone can add pictures to it. The pictures are not very sharp, maybe somebody got in closer. They should be at http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/browse/f24b I'll put more pictures of interest in when I get a chance. Tom Hawley -- Lansing MI --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41364	From: beebear	Date: 8/28/2006
Subject: Uncoupler Bonanza box sale

Hi Guys I have a uncoupler bonanza for sale. Here is what is in the box for sale 7 - #706 Remote uncouplers 1 - #704 Manual uncoupler 2 - AF uncoupler buttons 2 - AF control buttons 4 - AF inline uncouplers ( built into the straight track) 2 - Lionel dual button controllers 7 - AF track power connectors 1 - #696 track trip 1 - bag of #693 track locks Make me an offer for the entire box only! I will not sell separately John [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41365	From: beebear	Date: 8/28/2006
Subject: Track and switches

Hi guys The curved track is gone. As for the switches all but 2 of those are gone. The 2 I have left are left hand remotes with no controllers They do work but the bulbs are probably burned out. Make me an offer Shipping is about $9.00 for 2 switches John [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41366	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 8/28/2006
Subject: K-Lionel

I had a chance to talk with Nick Ladd the other day. He is the former sales director for K-Line. He has been hired by Lionel to continue the K-Line manufacturing and sales for Lionel, which will still be housed in Chapel Hill, NC. He gave me some good news and some bad news about K-Lionel and S gauge. First the bad news. There will be no further manufacture of S gauge under K-Lionel. That not only means that we will never see the Plymouth switcher and the Porter in S gauge under the K-Line name, but we will no longer see any manufacture of any S gauge cars or locos. The one exception is the manufacture of S gauge track. As announced in the 2006 Lionel Book 2 catalog, Lionel will be producing the K-Line S gauge track in straight, long straight, and wide radius curved sections--at the same price as the K-Line prices. Nick is still trying to talk Lionel into producing regular curved S-gauge track. He also will try to talk Lionel into continuing the production of the American Flyer Repair Guide. The only real good news is that Lionel will be using the K-Line S gauge trucks on their Lionel American Flyer line in the future. This a a real step up from the current Flyonel trucks. Joe Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613*9 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock; More than 1,300 part lines American Models ##### S-Helper Service ###### K-Line S Gauge joestrainrepair@... Master Card/Visa

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41367	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 8/28/2006
Subject: Guess we need Terry Putt

There will be no further manufacture of S gauge under K-Lionel. That not only means that we will never see the Plymouth switcher and the Porter in S gauge under the K-Line name, but we will no longer see any manufacture of any S gauge cars or locos. So, if you want an industrial loco, go to Putt Trains. jfred --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41368	From: Alex Sibbald	Date: 8/28/2006
Subject: K-Lionel

Hi Joe, Thank you for the info on K-Lionel. I am very pleased that Lionel will finally produce train cars on trucks that actually roll and operate on sprung trucks. At least now I will consider bidding on some new Lionel rolling stock when it hits ebay. I would expect that Lionel will now produce starter sets as they have the track and transformer from K-Line as well as the inexpensive Docksider to accomplish this. I will miss the K-Line low cost, brightly painted, sturdy train cars that my grandkids could play with without any fear of damage. I am pleased that Lionel has retained Nick Ladd as he appears to be a champion of "S". The real loss is that of a manufacturer willing to address our gauge especially at the low end. Alex

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41369	From: beebear	Date: 8/29/2006
Subject: More switches

Hi Guys In packing up the track and switches yesterday I found another box with 7 old manual switches I didn't know I had I have never seen these kind of switches before. I must have bought them a long time ago and forgot I had them. They all have the same body style as the remote controlled switches except 2 pair have a small button on top that you slide back and forth to move the switch. There are white arrows on top to indicate the direction of the train. They have the holes where the remote wires would go and the 2 train switch would have gone The other 3 have the same body style but they have a handle on top that pivots around a rod that looks like it had a red/green flag on it at one time. Another piece I found in the same box is a solid piece of straight track but it looks like it has 4 rails on it with 2 screw terminals on one side of it. On the bottom is a number PA 0069. Any Idea what it is?? If anyone is interested .... make me an offer John [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41370	From: Mark Preman	Date: 8/29/2006
Subject: AmericanFlyerTrains.com (The Business) is For Sale

Hey S-Trains gang, This is your S-Trains sponsor and one of the founding members. I became the sponsor when Yahoo started hitting Paul Yorke with fees to set up the group and I paid them. Voila - sponsor! In fact, my friend Paul Yorke talked me into putting my (then) little business up on the web and was my first webmaster. Time has taken its toll. My health is such that I really can't do justice to the business anymore. I am in my 8th year as a corporation, and my 11th year over all. I have operated it profitably part-time and full time. Makes sense to sell it while it is vibrant and PROFITABLE and put some money away for my family. As I said, this is a viable profitable business. The sale includes the website, the inventory(which you see on the website), my customer and vendor lists and,..... the best domain name in town. Anyone who wants to buy or sell American Flyer Trains and uses a search engine - goes right to me. This is the perfect retirement business! The business also has a tremendous upside potential which my health and environment won't allow me reach. The potentials are already identified and tested. I will verify income to a serious offer. I will provide follow-on free consulting to purchasor if wanted. Please, no curiousity seekers. Serious inquiries only. Thanks. It's been fun! Mark Mark B. Preman AmericanFlyerTrains.com --------------------------------- Get your email and more, right on the new Yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41371	From: Eric Child	Date: 8/29/2006
Subject: Re: More switches

The four rail piece was for activating the earliest operating cars, I believe. I have one, but have never seen one of the cars

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41372	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 8/29/2006
Subject: Re: 930 CABOOSE

Anyone ever seen a 930 with link couplers? Thanks, Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41373	From: plasticvilleking	Date: 8/29/2006
Subject: THANKS!

Thanks for all who replyed to my post about having a layout custom made. Hank

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41374	From: Bruce D. Willis	Date: 8/30/2006
Subject: Re: More switches - Early activating track

I have a couple 716 dump cars with pickups between the wheels in the center of one of the trucks, to be activated with this piece of track. I don't know what other early cars used it. - Bruce --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Eric Child <gort@...> wrote: > > The four rail piece was for activating the earliest operating cars, I > believe. I have one, but have never seen one of the cars >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41375	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 8/30/2006
Subject: Re: More switches - Early activating track

try log cars, auto cars, Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: Bruce D. Willis To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 11:19 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: More switches - Early activating track I have a couple 716 dump cars with pickups between the wheels in the center of one of the trucks, to be activated with this piece of track. I don't know what other early cars used it. - Bruce --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Eric Child <gort@...> wrote: > > The four rail piece was for activating the earliest operating cars, I > believe. I have one, but have never seen one of the cars > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41376	From: John Foley	Date: 8/30/2006
Subject: S Building flats

Hi Folks A company called Vintage Lagoon does some buildings & flats. The are paper sides applied over a form core product. I purchased a small one in HO and it is well made and realistic. Check out their website at http://www.vintagelagoon.com/index.html any building pictured can be done in S. John Foley NASG Promotions [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41377	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 8/31/2006
Subject: Re: Shipment arrives

Today we received the following items, many have been on back order for a while: Andrew 50t truck, code110 #00045 , US$6.95/ pair Andrew 50t truck, AF com #00046 , US$6.95/ pair PRR 50t truck, code110 #00047, US$6.95/ pair IONX Reefer #01637 $45.95 OFPX Reefer #01638 $45.95 NX Heilman Brewery Reefer #01642 $45.95 Smoke unit funnel 3/pkg one brass, 2 aluminum #01661 $2.95 Aluminium Funnel 100/pkg bulk all aluminum #01665 $99.95 Andrew tender trk AF comp #01209 $9.95/ pair AF replacement insulated metal wheels (freight cars) 4/pk #00967 $3.95 AF repacement pickup metal wheels (caboose, passenger, action, etc.) 4/pk #00979 $3.95 DCC Update - the DCC interface pcbs have been produced and are now being tested. We expect to start shipping Tsunami sound DCC 2-8-0s in mid September. If you have one on order, you should hear from us regarding the balance due. Waddell Hoppers - These are expected to ship next week and arrive the first week of October. The 3rd run is over 70% sold out. Stock Cars, next run of reefers, BHFC and our 2006 Christmas car is expected in November. Best regards, Don S Helper Service Inc.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41378	From: lember2004	Date: 8/31/2006
Subject: PCC streetcar in S?

I am wondering, does [or did] anyone produce and sell a PCC streetcar that runs on S-gauge track? I rode the real ones all the time as a kid and one in S would make a nostalgic addition to my Gilbert AF layout. Thanks. Mark

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41379	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 8/31/2006
Subject: Re: PCC streetcar in S?

Try Putt Trains, Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41380	From: Keith	Date: 8/31/2006
Subject: Looking for a Parts supplier

Maybe someone can help me out. We have recently tried to purchase from S-SCALE LOCO & SUPPLY four of their part #45.1 Air Compressors, but they are out. I'm looking for an alternate supplier or if someone knows of anyone who may have, or know of a source for these boiler front- mounted air compressors. Also, I'm looking for a supplier who sells stainless steel hand rail material. I'm having two 4-12-2's built. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Keith Olmanni

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41381	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 8/31/2006
Subject: Re: PCC streetcar in S?

Dear Mark, Pennsy Heritage Models adds S gauge AF comp. trucks to Corgi 1:55 PCCs. This may be as close as you are going to get. Best regards, Don lember2004 wrote: > I am wondering, does [or did] anyone produce and sell a PCC streetcar > that runs on S-gauge track? I rode the real ones all the time as a kid > and one in S would make a nostalgic addition to my Gilbert AF layout. > Thanks. Mark > > <mailto:S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe> > . > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41382	From: Bill Lyon	Date: 8/31/2006
Subject: PA Side Frames

I could use 4 S gauge PA diesel side frames, any condition. Or who is good to buy aftermarket ones from? Also, who is best source for AF decals? Have a fairly nice set of 660,662,663 for sale. Bill Lyon

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41383	From: Patrick McElroy	Date: 9/1/2006
Subject: Crazy ebay items - What are they?

Anyone know why these went so high? Who made them? etc... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=009&item=190022838557&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41384	From: lember2004	Date: 9/1/2006
Subject: replies to my PCC in S question

Thanks for the lightning fast replies! The responses sent me to the website for Pennsylvania Heritage Models, where I found their offering of PCC's in S: DC, AC w. reverser, scale or hi-rail trucks. Thanks to all who replied! Mark

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41385	From: Ron Inscho	Date: 9/1/2006
Subject: Re: Crazy ebay items - What are they?

These were made by Kris Model Trains (KMT) some time in the late 60's to early 70's ( Gilbert had already been out of the picture by the time that Penn Central merger took place ) these cars used unprinted AF bodys, There is at least 20 other road names , none of these was done by Gilbert . as for the high value , I could not even begin explain ? , as there was lots of these made & still being sold by dealers like Hobby Surplus just a few years ago

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41386	From: Knight, Gene	Date: 9/1/2006
Subject: Re: Crazy ebay items - What are they?

I can tell you I got a Penn Central card my by Kris on Ebay not too long ago for $20 or $25.....don't remember exactly. Someone here posted a site at one time that had pictures of all of the cards made/finished by Kris. Gene -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ron Inscho Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 10:19 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Crazy ebay items - What are they? These were made by Kris Model Trains (KMT) some time in the late 60's to early 70's ( Gilbert had already been out of the picture by the time that Penn Central merger took place ) these cars used unprinted AF bodys, There is at least 20 other road names , none of these was done by Gilbert . as for the high value , I could not even begin explain ? , as there was lots of these made & still being sold by dealers like Hobby Surplus just a few years ago S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41387	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 9/1/2006
Subject: Re: Crazy ebay items - What are they?

Here is a link to the Kris web page: http://myflyertrains.org/kris/ BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick McElroy" <pmcelroy@...> wrote: > > Anyone know why these went so high? Who made them? etc... > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ViewItem&ih=009&item=190022838557&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1 > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41388	From: velapoldi	Date: 9/1/2006
Subject: help?

Anyone know P. Larson from Berwyn, IL? Please contact me by e-mail off list. thanks Rance Velapoldi (Norway)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41389	From: edzdan	Date: 9/1/2006
Subject: NETCA 2005 boxcar

Looking to buy a NETCA 2005 Fisk tire boxcar #4-8242. Any for sale? Thanks.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41390	From: mkt1992	Date: 9/1/2006
Subject: Remotered & DCC Decodered Flyer Engines Available

A gentleman I know has several American Flyer steam engines that were recently upgraded with can motors and had DCC decoders installed who is considering selling them, as he is upgrading to newer production locomotives. He's asked if I knew if there were any interested parties. He has not put a price on any of the locomotives yet and is just wondering about any interest. He is considering backfitting the locomotives, but I suggested he first attempt selling them in their upgrade condition. If anyone has any interest please contact me offline at: mkt1992@... and I'll forward your emails to him for reply. Thanks. Michael Tyl

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41391	From: Art Shifrin	Date: 9/2/2006
Subject: ebay 300022221236

Hi Gang, Beware this 572 & tender. Innocently, sloppily or intentionally, it is significantly misrepresented. The pilot truck wheels are tinplate. They're supposed to be sintered. The tender's shell is post war. None of the diecast O 31/6s tenders (Pennsy K5, NYC Hudson, UP Northern & NP 0-8-0) had "American Flyer" markings: only prototypical road names. Also, the screws that attach the main drive roads on the above engines are supposed to have round slotted heads, not hexagonal ones. Best, Shiffy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41392	From: T Larson	Date: 9/2/2006
Subject: Airslide

There have been many good comments made on this list regarding rolling stock candidates for short run kits. I suggest that another good candidate is the Airslide hopper; I suspect that it is not common enough to justify doing it in injection molded plastic (although I would be happy to be wrong on this). If you agree that it is needed, let me know off-list how many short run kits you would buy at the typical short run cost (~$65) and how many you would buy if they were available RTR at a large volume price (~$40). I will tabulate and report the results. For reference, see http://www.atlaso.com/oairslide.htm http://www.atlastrainman.com/NFreight/tmnairslide.htm On a similar subject, our list of large volume kits and RTR freight cars includes a great variety of car types, however I do believe that a 50' plug door boxcar (similar to the PRS SD and DD boxcars) is common enough to justify large volume production. I hope that DPH is looking for a project to expand their PRS line!!! http://branchline-trains.com/gallery/bpft1.htm -- Ted Larson Waltrip's Law: If it ain't broke, work on it until it is!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41393	From: Furmanak, Stan	Date: 9/2/2006
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Airslide

Ted- I would get at least 1 and probably 2 either as a kit or rtr. I would go for either a 40' single but wouldn't mind a 50' double airslide preferably in yellow Chessie paint. See http://www.discounttrainsonline.com/Bowser-Hopper-50-Airslide-Covered-Chesape ake-OhioChessie/item006-37040.html Before John V. sold PRS to Ron S., John told me he was working on a plug door version of the 50' boxcar. Not sure how far he got with that project. Stan Furmanak Annville, PA -----Original Message----- From: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com on behalf of T Larson Sent: Sat 9/2/2006 11:40 AM To: S Scale Cc: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: {S-Scale List} Airslide There have been many good comments made on this list regarding rolling stock candidates for short run kits. I suggest that another good candidate is the Airslide hopper; I suspect that it is not common enough to justify doing it in injection molded plastic (although I would be happy to be wrong on this). If you agree that it is needed, let me know off-list how many short run kits you would buy at the typical short run cost (~$65) and how many you would buy if they were available RTR at a large volume price (~$40). I will tabulate and report the results. For reference, see http://www.atlaso.com/oairslide.htm http://www.atlastrainman.com/NFreight/tmnairslide.htm On a similar subject, our list of large volume kits and RTR freight cars includes a great variety of car types, however I do believe that a 50' plug door boxcar (similar to the PRS SD and DD boxcars) is common enough to justify large volume production. I hope that DPH is looking for a project to expand their PRS line!!! http://branchline-trains.com/gallery/bpft1.htm -- Ted Larson Waltrip's Law: If it ain't broke, work on it until it is! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41394	From: faltrain5	Date: 9/2/2006
Subject: I was reading the history of lionel and then american flyers and ge

Lionel was started by a guy named Lionel Cowen, of course, and was started in newyork city as a engineer. He began his first business of the soon to be giant model train world as he didn't know it, in 1901. American started in 1907. Of course though american flyer was usually clock work and wind up trains. it wasn't until later when the two minds of american flyer (partners) started there first electric locomotive. Usually today you either love lionel and hate everything else. Or you love just american flyer and hate just lionel. My grandfather always collected american flyer trains and had to pass them down to me when he passed away. only 1/3 though. the rest went to my fathers brother and his sister. She got the santa fe diesel, the enitre set. But anyhow my grandfather always hated lionel and for how it took over american flyer. you see lionel is responsible for making the link of trains with christmas time. All because of putting trains in the window at his store around a christmas tree. It was genius, but personally lionel doesn't even compare to american flyer. For it is the real giant. It was the only developer to figure out how to make them have choo-choo, whistle, smoke, and tons more they could do. They were indeed incredibly detailed and posessed the power to even climb trestles better than lionel. IT was genius and american flyer to me is what deserves the right to go around the christmas tree and not lionel. and that is why i am in this group. if lionel hadn't bought out Gilbert hall of science. Today they would be so far ahead of their time. Answer back with what you think. P.S.- when my grandfather knew lionel was buying out american flyer, he went to the nearest store back in '66 and bought out all of the flyer items in the store.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41395	From: faltrain5	Date: 9/2/2006
Subject: Does anybody know of any good auction sites for post-war flyer trai

I know all about ebay and have been buying off that site for as long as i can remember. So I have been looking for either a internet store or a auction site that may be good to use. All of the stores like americanflyertrains.com are a little pricey to me. maybe somebody out there knows a good unheard of auction site on the internet that is besides ebay and has american flyer gilbert post war trains on it. If you did and told me that would be great. As a train collector i love to always look for a great deal but not expensive. Geoff

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41396	From: Phil K	Date: 9/2/2006
Subject: Re: Does anybody know of any good auction sites for post-war flyer

Jeez, Geoff, you make quite an interesting request. Apparently you are looking for an unknown Internet cubby hole where they don't understand the current market value of Gilbert American Flyer trains, so everything is bargain-priced. If you find such a spot, let me know. ;-) Anytime you buy trains that go through others' hands to get to you, you will pay close to current market value. There's no way around it because these things have become a commodity appealing to TWO groups: operators AND collectors. But there are two better ways. 1.) Sometimes... SOMETIMES... you can find a pretty good deal at local train shows. It's very much hit-or-miss, and you need to know the reasonable value of an item if you want to negotiate a lower price. Most sellers at smaller shows are willing to do this, anywhere from 10 to 20 percent. 2.) Run ads for Flyer in local newspapers. I've heard many people lament that the days of good "attic finds" are over, but my experience tells me different. But it is like fishing -- you never know what you'll be able to reel in. But you'll catch nothing if you don't go fishing [at shows] or put a hook in the water [classified ads]. Personally, I've been shocked at some of the high-quality stuff that has come my way -- at decent prices -- through my ads over the years. Phil K ****************************************************************** --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "faltrain5" <faltrain5@...> wrote: > > I know all about ebay and have been buying off that site for as long as > i can remember. So I have been looking for either a internet store or a > auction site that may be good to use. All of the stores like > americanflyertrains.com are a little pricey to me. maybe somebody out > there knows a good unheard of auction site on the internet that is > besides ebay and has american flyer gilbert post war trains on it. > If you did and told me that would be great. As a train collector i love > to always look for a great deal but not expensive. > > Geoff >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41397	From: Art Shifrin	Date: 9/2/2006
Subject: AF 3/16s O Northern 571 + 657cC chugging tender

Hi Gang, Do any of you know if Gilbert ever assembled any 567s with the front panel permanently installed with round head rivets as compared to the usual small flat head sheet metal screws? I obtained a beautiful shell from Tony Hay and it has this variation. Aesthetically it's superior to the usual screws. BUT, such a shell could not be used to reconstruct the rare chugging version because the size of the mechanism requires that the shell be slipped on to the chassis from the rear, with the mechanism already affixed to the base. It was offered with a too good to be true straight and un-crumbling chugger chassis. I had a spare pair of correct trucks, so I've got a beautiful tender for the 571 offered separately at the same time. But the ongoing quest to create a chugger out of all original parts will continue undaunted. I dislike E eunit slots, so except for the 574 0 - 8 - 0 N.P. switcher, I had no such engines in original condition. Some time ago I'd obtained a RDC 571 & assumed that aside from its nice condition, that it was nothing remarkable. I recall that not too long ago, perhaps in CTT I read an article about AF 3/16s O (perhaps specifically about Northerns). It mentioned a standard format 571. I contacted the author to confirm that his statement was correct & I was assured that it was. At that time I resolved to obtain a conventional format 571 to compare to what I already possessed. BINGO! it saw it amongst Tony's listings last week. It was filthy, with crumbling pilot & trailer wheels but I didn't care. I wanted this to examine. It arrived yesterday. It is indeed a 571, with clear #s ink stamped under each of the cab's two windows. The shell is a hybrid because it has the e unit slot AND the manual advancing hole for the RDC relay. This is the only case that I know of in which the same cab # was used (at least for worm drive engines) for RDC and CONVENTIONAL versions. I'm going to be adding this pair to my website ASAP. I'd greatly appreciate receiving your comments about the details that I've cited. I'm very interested to know which if either is more or less common. Or, do they survive in roughly equal quantities in both versions? The cream on the 571 cake is that it cleaned up to a beautiful condition. I had a sufficient supply of spare original wheels to replace the crumbled ones. I installed a much less worn armature and center rail pick-up shoes: it'd been run allot, but not abusively. There was only one cold solder joint at the eunit, which merely needed to be sprayed to properly operate. Changing the brushes & lubricating it has yielded a super runner. The piece was a bargain. All I need to find to make it complete is an ORIGINAL 571 bugboard. I expected only to obtain a technical specimen. I wound up with another beautiful engine for my 'stable'. Best, Shiffy <mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41398	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 9/2/2006
Subject: Sunday Chat, 9/3/2006, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 41399	From: geep39	Date: 9/2/2006
Subject: Weird eBay items

Did you notice a few things about this listing? First, was the Hamden, CT location, which is not real far from the original seller, Hobby Surplus Sales. Second, I didn't recognize any of the bidders. They're not the usual suspects that you see bidding on AF items.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41400	From: geep39	Date: 9/2/2006
Subject: Airslide--YES!

Airslides-the single hopper variety-have been more common than you may think. First of all, you can almost name the railroad, and they had them (go ahead, ask). Pick up almost any of the Morning Sun Books color guides, and you'll find at least one example. What's interesting is the short list of railroads that DIDN'T have them! Even more interesting is the huge number of private schemes that Airslide cars were decorated in. From Pillsbury, Firestone, Amatar Sugar, and many others, to the very elaborate Brach's Candies, and more. Many cars were built in the mid-to-late '50's and '60's, which makes many of them candidates for the diesel-to-steam transition era. Model Railroader had a short article in the early ' 60's with a number of cars pictured asking why decals weren't available for them. There were a number of interesting schemes. I did ask Don Thompson of S-Helper about the possibility some years ago, and he said that he didn't want to do too many covered hoppers. I hope he can be convinced otherwise!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41401	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 9/3/2006
Subject: Re: Weird eBay items

Couple of things just sold on ebay. Claims items are LN. If so, as wheels have allot of film on them, as the bodies are in great condition with Box. 24206 $271.00 Why? 24313 $251.00 Why? Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41402	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 9/3/2006
Subject: Re;Does anyone know of any good auctions sites for post war Flyer

I'd have to back up what Phil says on this question. Train shows have been a good source of the old (and even some new) stuff for me. Attic finds are real scarce around here, but do appear at rare intervals. Let me add three more possible sources: weekend flea markets, yard sales, and under table "junk" boxes at train shows. Again, you never know what you'll find, and you might have to do some repair, but if inexpensive is a priority, these are the places to look. Common Flyer items have really been going down in price at the shows I've been to, and in some cases expensive stuff has become real reasonable. But as Phil says, you've got to know the value what you're looking at! Stumpy Stone...still trying to avoid the shaft in Appalachia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41403	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 9/3/2006
Subject: Re;Weird eBay items

Mike asks why would anyone pay these prices for questionable stuff? Well, why would anybody do something dumb? A. Not knowledgable about what they're buying B. Believed sales pitch C. Want these items real bad D. Have money burning a hole in their pocket E. All of the above. This leaves us with the question why would anybody try to sell bogus stuff? A. Not knowledgable about what they're selling B. Can sell anything for too much money C. Want to unload these items real bad D. Want your money burning a hole in their pocket E. All of the above. Have you been to an estate auction lately? Ebay is like any other auction...sometimes you get the elevator, and sometimes you get the shaft! Stumpy Stone...trying to avoid the shaft...even in coal country.;-)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41404	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 9/3/2006
Subject: Re: Re;Weird eBay items and Blue Katy Boxcars

I too am amazed at the prices people will pay for the Kris cars. My first reaction is that the winning bidder must be a nut. Out of curiosity I looked a little further. I observed that there were multiple bidders at the high prices, and that makes sense because there would have to be multiple bidders paying ridiculous prices to get the bid up that high. So that says the winning bidder is not alone. Also I looked at some of the recent items that the winning bidder had won. He had paid $38 for a box. Wow! I went to the web site for the Kris cars and at least understood a little about the history. Truth is there were not a lot of those made, and why should there have been, because they are not the high quality items that most of us want for our train collection. But this also explains their collectibility to those that are into collectibles. Just like some of the junkiest Pikemaster items that nobody would buy in the 1960s, collectors will pay the absurd for the rare items in excellent condition even though operators like me would be ashamed to have them on the layout. Thus the Kris cars, or at least some of them, will fetch huge prices because of those collectors who want one of each of everything rare. I am not a collector but I think I understand more about why some of them will pay such huge prices for what I think is junk. - - I remember a presentation made in Cleveland at the very first Spring Spree. A blue Katy (MKT) box car was shown. It was stated that a number of these previously undocumented Katy cars in blue had been showing up and were fetching high prices because they were so rare. Then someone discovered that these were the usual yellow Katy cars that had been alterred. So many of these yellow Katy cars were made that they were really cheap. And someone had been soaking them in some kind of acid solution which caused the cars to turn blue. They did not look like fakes because they were not fakes. They were not restorations. They were Gilbert made box cars. But the color had been altered by a simple chemical process. But here is the surprising part of this story. It was reported that the prices for these blue Katy cars continued to be high even with the knowledge that they werer altered cars. Collectors still wanted them even though they were not the same color as shipped from the Gilbert plant. A yellow Katy car was soaked in an acidic solution during the Spree with the intent of producing the altered car. If I remember correctly, the demonstration was a failure. The car did not turn blue. And I have never seen or heard of blue Katy cars since that time, but then I am not a collector and do not look for such things. Anybody else have more accurate recollections of that presentation ? Earl Henry, Nashville [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41405	From: Roy Inman	Date: 9/3/2006
Subject: Re: Re;Weird eBay items

EBay for better, but many time for worse, has skewed the "values" market for lots of stuff. Back when my brother and I shared space at an antique flea market, collectibles found their own level of value by supply and demand. The various printed guides that were supposed to offer an approximate value of items that were, for the most part, vaguely accurate. By that I mean a #212 Flyer engine would show up as a lessor value than say a mint Silver Flash set. But in an auction environment such as eBay, and the largest auction environment in the world at that, things get what we old timers would call "crazy." But I am beginning to think that the new crazy is the current reality: there are no parameters, everything is of whatever value, and all bets are off. The only place that things are halfway "normal" is in an environment that is composed ONLY of knowledgeable buyers and sellers, like maybe an S-fest. I recall quite well how impressed I was fifteen years ago or so that there were more Santa Fe Lionel F units from the 1950's than just mine. Before I started going to train shows, I thought mine surely must be worth gazillions of dollars. I suspect that some of the buyers on eBay are as naive as I was back then. And since many of the sellers don't know the "true" value as defined by us, they will gleefully sit back and watch the bidding war heat up. Or, as Stumpy points out, the sellers may know what the Greenberg guide, et al, show(s) and will go ahead and just "Put it on eBay" to see what someone will pay. It all reminds me a little of the price of gasoline. My dearly departed dad used to wonder "When are things going to get back to 'normal'?" And he died in 1980! My guess is that all this, whether we are talking eBay auctioning or gas prices, is the new "normal." It just doesn't seem so to those of us who have been around to know another way. Cheers :) Roy Inman From: Stumpy Stone <mrstumpy@...> Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2006 11:31:37 +0000 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re;Weird eBay items Mike asks why would anyone pay these prices for questionable stuff? Well, why would anybody do something dumb? A. Not knowledgable about what they're buying B. Believed sales pitch C. Want these items real bad D. Have money burning a hole in their pocket E. All of the above. This leaves us with the question why would anybody try to sell bogus stuff? A. Not knowledgable about what they're selling B. Can sell anything for too much money C. Want to unload these items real bad D. Want your money burning a hole in their pocket E. All of the above. Have you been to an estate auction lately? Ebay is like any other auction...sometimes you get the elevator, and sometimes you get the shaft! Stumpy Stone...trying to avoid the shaft...even in coal country.;-) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41406	From: Phil K	Date: 9/3/2006
Subject: I've paid top dollar ... for some items. For others ... not

Like at Fall S Fest last year in South Beloit. One of the objects of my earthly searchings is gathering sets of the rare 500 series passenger cars, both the chrome and satin silver. Let me interject right here that on too many occasions in the past, I've seen something *special* at a train show and hemmed and hawwed and ended up not buying. I also all too well remember beating myself up mentally later -- often on the ride home -- for not pulling the trigger and buying it when I saw it. Because in some cases, I've never seen another one of those *specials* for sale again. Ever. So when I finally found an E+ 503 on Gary Clark's table, I decided to buy it WITHOUT EVEN LOOKING AT THE PRICE. In all my years, I had never EVER seen one for sale anywhere. So puchasing it was never in doubt. As it turned out, Gary's price was relevant and he even knocked off 10 percent. But for every one of those type of incidents, I've walked past thousands of overpriced Flyer pieces -- mostly because the seller (not a train person) really did not know their value, and so to protect himself had set the price really high. Know this: even if you try to tell the guy it's a common item worth only X dollars, he'll never sell it to you at anything close to that price. Why? Because he doesn't trust you (often because in the past he's screwed people himself). It will take him three or four shows and multiple people telling him the item is overpriced before he finally lowers the price. You won't be around when that happens. Roy made a great point about S Fest. The one in Chicago (they rotate to a different locale every fourth year) has become the largest S gathering in the world -- catering to all phases: Classic Gilbert American Flyer, Scale and Narrow Gauge. We'll have over 17,000 square feet of exhibit space (ALL S!) in the Trading Room, plus another 5,000 square feet of privately-owned and club layouts open to the public at no charge. This year's dates are Nov. 3-5. Details: www.trainweb.org/casg/ I've gotten some of my best deals at Fall S Fests in the past (the others occur in St. Louis and Wisconsin) because the volume of available stuff is greater than anywhere else. I've been to the NASG National Convention several times and can tell you the NASG is oriented more toward Scale and Narrow Gauge S. But speaking for S Fest, you won't find as much Gilbert Flyer under one roof anywhere else. In addition, most of the S Fest vendors are really decent and there is virtually no outrageous pricing due to the competition. Want a set of blue Santa Fe PAs? I've been to S Fests and had over a dozen sets to choose from. Just about everyone you meet is very knowledgeable, and will stand behind their sales. And if you need a more experienced eye before you make a purchase -- well, the room is full of them. BTW, in answer to some off-line emails, when someone responds to one of my "Flyer Wanted" ads and I go to their house to view the item, my policy is to never make an offer. Rather, I ask how much they want for the item(s) and we go from there. I feel as a buyer it is not my job to provide an appraisal to a seller. I also can say I have never lied to a seller about the value of an item in order to get a better price. Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41407	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 9/3/2006
Subject: Finding FLYER

Some thoughts 1. ads in the paper..... But be careful.... I almost got set up when I saw the area I was going to....... Meet them in a public place if possible.... most people have a box or 2 and can through in their car........ 2. Visit the HO type shows..... Some dealers have had this old AF junk they want to get rid of..... Got a like new 30b for 60.00.... I have left these shows feeling like I stole the stuff.... TCA meets are the worst for finding anything...... But there are exceptions to this. 3. I hit a real good deal once at a Gun Show.... I was selling some extra guns and had some trains on my table..... man stopped...we talked .....he came back..... 4. Some antique malls..... rare but you never know.... nice 326 Big Motor for 85.00....... One mall I stopped at..... new dealer....... Filled my trunk.... and I was on my way to York 5. The local Hobby Shop dealer who hates "s'..... Keep asking........Not too long ago, after saying NO..... He said "wait a second"... Went in back and brought out 2 nice AF sets.... 6. Ebay.....Just got a nice boxed set cheap.... Sears set with STYROFOAM tunnel ( * in book) 7. York.... I bought a set from a real well known dealer..... He wanted 950.00...... we setteled on 949.00.... 2 weeks later one popped up on ebay...... great I will get it for 300 - 400.... WRONG.... It went way over 1300.00, and was not near as nice 8. Like Phil said....... If you know what you want.....get it..... If I find the 5 didget mail car or combo car...... its sold before I look at the price..... within reason 9. I wanted a certain set..... AF HO.... saw a man with one at York...... he turned down my 2500.00 offer..... In the past year I have found 3 on ebay....and I well under the 2500 amount..... and 2 of these are nicer 10. establish a line with people..... back in the 80's I had 2 guys searching for AF for me....... Almost every I got 1 or 2 sets... from them 11. BOTTOM LINE.... IF YOU SEE IT AND YOU WANT IT......GET IT..... AND DON'T LOOK BACK..... BOB [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41408	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 9/3/2006
Subject: weird items..... alterations

I know colors can be altered with chemilals..... I have a friend who has a 631 T & P gondonl. IN BLUE..... My question, and for information only, is..... How does one do this, What chemicals are used etc...... Forarmed with the info and an understanding of how could, save one of us a great deal of $$$$$ Whats your ideas..... HOW?????? Bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41409	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 9/3/2006
Subject: Re: weird items..... alterations

Bob, I believe that there might be some blue 631's out there, as awhile back, Jerry Matsick had a friend who picked up a blue 631 and I wrote to Bob Tufts about it, as we sent pictures of it to Bob. I can't remember the exact outcome of this, as I don't have those emails anymore from Bob and of course, Bob, sadly is no longer with us. Bob did say that the one, that Jerry's friend had was not a original but altered. And the background that Bob told me about the Blue 631's, I can't remember. I do remember, that some green might of been underneath the body under the trucks. I wish I remember more about this. I think Bob mention that it was faded using light. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2006 2:56 PM Subject: [S-Trains] weird items..... alterations I know colors can be altered with chemilals..... I have a friend who has a 631 T & P gondonl. IN BLUE..... My question, and for information only, is..... How does one do this, What chemicals are used etc...... Forarmed with the info and an understanding of how could, save one of us a great deal of $$$$$ Whats your ideas..... HOW?????? Bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41410	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 9/3/2006
Subject: Finding FLYER

Bob, I have done well over the last 30 years at local auctions. Just picked up L/N 474/475 Rocket PAs, L/N 336 Lg. motor, E+ 343, E+ 470/471/473 & L/N 314 AW w/whistle control at a local auction for modest prices. These will go to York to sell. Harwood [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41411	From: beebear	Date: 9/3/2006
Subject: Last call on the uncoupler box

Hi Guys Any takers ?? 7 - #706 Remote uncouplers 1 - #704 Manual uncoupler 2 - AF uncoupler buttons 2 - AF control buttons 4 - AF inline uncouplers ( built into the straight track) 2 - Lionel dual button controllers 7 - AF track power connectors 1 - #696 track trip 1 - bag of #693 track locks **** Please reply to my email here: beebear@... and NOT to the S train list.**** [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41412	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 9/4/2006
Subject: Labor Day (off topic)

You know, while I often see postings for the other U.S. holidays, thanking the troops or veterans, or the Lord, I don't recall seeing anything about Labor Day. I think it's about time we said something for the folks who work! Among the most important people in this country are working folks. Not just the police and fire fighters, who get alot of attention, and deservedly so. How about the folks who keep the streets and roads up? The water, the electricity, even the sewers. The railroad workers, the truck drivers, the janitors, the nurses, the folks who stock the shelves at the local stores. What about them and the thousands of other people without whom the country would stop? Getting up at odd hours, working in bad weather, doing nasty things. Working folks pay the taxes and spend the money which keeps the economy going when the poor can't and the rich won't. Working folks keep this country going, why don't we celebrate them? Because they are us. We make the whole thing work. So here's to the working people...THANK YOU! And have a great day. Stumpy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41413	From: Dale Smith	Date: 9/4/2006
Subject: Re: Crazy ebay items - What are they?

If you look at the order of the bids, it is kind of interesting. Bidder A has bid up to $25 but at the time the price would be showing at 50 cents over the previous high bid of $17.99 or $18.49. With that showing as high bid, Mr. Winner bids $560 or more, which would show as a $26 bid, ($1 over Bidder A's bid) He would have gotten it for $26 if it hadn't been for bidder B who entered a series of big dollar bids starting at $300. He gets up to $550 in his sniping attempt but runs out of time when his last bid is 6 seconds before closing. Question is why someone would bid so high on something going so low unless he knew something. Here we have two people doing it. Mr. Winner bid several hundred when the price was $!8.49 and bidder B bid $300 when high bid was showing at 26. Are these cars well known as rare items in high demand, or are these people just crazy? I wonder if the seller is just as astonished as we are, or is something funny going on? Dale Smith ----- Original Message ----- From: Patrick McElroy To: s-trains list Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2006 7:55 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Crazy ebay items - What are they? Anyone know why these went so high? Who made them? etc... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=009&item=190022838557&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41414	From: T Larson	Date: 9/4/2006
Subject: [Fwd: Airslide]

Here is the first tally of those interested in an Airslide model. 15-21 kits (2 people gave a range). This quantity might be a good start for a holiday weekend, but it is obviously insufficient to get production. Continue to let me know if you are interested. Otherwise I'll need to scratchbuild..... sounds kind of fun actually! Gale Hall reports that Western Models made a kit in the 70's. Anybody else heard of that? Does the Mobley Library have plans? One person suggested that the kit be the 50' version which could be shortened to make the 40' version. Ted Larson -------- Original Message -------- There have been many good comments made on this list regarding rolling stock candidates for short run kits. I suggest that another good candidate is the Airslide hopper; I suspect that it is not common enough to justify doing it in injection molded plastic (although I would be happy to be wrong on this). If you agree that it is needed, let me know off-list how many short run kits you would buy at the typical short run cost (~$65) and how many you would buy if they were available RTR at a large volume price (~$40). I will tabulate and report the results. For reference, see http://www.atlaso.com/oairslide.htm http://www.atlastrainman.com/NFreight/tmnairslide.htm -- Ted Larson Waltrip's Law: If it ain't broke, work on it until it is!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41415	From: muphythekid	Date: 9/4/2006
Subject: Question. (A little of the wall)

Hello to all! A few years ago I was watching a program with the late Jim Hutton in it. This program featured a toy train layout. Does anyone know what this program was, and who else played in it? David Wayne might have played in it too. Also, what was the scale and does anyone know who built the layout is there a track plan of it out there? Any help with this will be most helpful. Thanks! Bob

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41416	From: keefer1	Date: 9/4/2006
Subject: Kris cars

I thought the Kris cars all had Knuckle trucks, the last two on ebay were pikemaster. Are the pikemaster cars Hobby Surplus? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41417	From: Rick Evans	Date: 9/4/2006
Subject: Re: Labor Day (off topic)

***(((( So here's to the working people...THANK YOU! And have a great day. Stumpy))))**** Here's those "Real Men of Genius" or "Real American Hero" radio commercials. http://diis.net/article.php?story=budlight I believe there is one for the "toy train modeler", I haven't found it yet. Hat's of to the workin' man (or woman) Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41418	From: ken garber	Date: 9/4/2006
Subject: Re: Question. (A little of the wall)

On 4 Sep 2006 16:05:57 -0000, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com < S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > > > 10. Question. (A little of the wall) > Posted by: "muphythekid" muphythekid@... muphythekid > Date: Mon Sep 4, 2006 8:05 am (PDT) > > Hello to all! > > A few years ago I was watching a program with the late Jim Hutton in > it. This program featured a toy train layout. Does anyone know what > this program was, and who else played in it? David Wayne might have > played in it too. > > Also, what was the scale and does anyone know who built the layout is > there a track plan of it out there? Any help with this will be most > helpful. Thanks! Bob The Adventures of Ellery Queen. What was neat was the tunnel connecting two houses. I think it was Lionel. The tunnel ended up being key to the plot because there was something in there they needed to retreive. Ken [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41419	From: Rick Evans	Date: 9/4/2006
Subject: Re: Labor Day (off topic)

**(((I believe there is one for the "toy train modeler", I haven't found it yet. Hat's of to the workin' man (or woman)))*** Before I get an email from Barb, I wanted to point out, .....that yes.......I mistakenly typed "of" instead of "off" ! Rick. S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41420	From: Rick Evans	Date: 9/4/2006
Subject: Photo albums

Just a reminder to check out the photo albums at: http://s-scale.org/albums/v/friends/ I've added a couple of new ones for fellow S-Train members. I can set up an album for YOU!! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41421	From: Knight, Gene	Date: 9/4/2006
Subject: Re: Kris cars

The Penn Central I got off of eBay a while ago had Pikemaster couplers. Gene ________________________________ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com on behalf of keefer1 Sent: Mon 9/4/2006 11:10 AM To: k j Subject: [S-Trains] Kris cars I thought the Kris cars all had Knuckle trucks, the last two on ebay were pikemaster. Are the pikemaster cars Hobby Surplus? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com <http://mail.yahoo.com/> S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com <http://www.americanflyertrains.com/> All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41422	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 9/5/2006
Subject: Re: "Ebay alternative" "Available S Gauge"

Just a note on "Available S Gauge" our number has grown to nearly 140. This is a great place to sell, buy or trade "S GAUGE" items. All are invited to join. Go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/availablesgauge Thank you - Jerry Matsick Moderator

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41423	From: Mark Preman	Date: 9/6/2006
Subject: American Flyer Trains for Sale

The new list is posted at http://www.americanflyertrains.com Happy hunting! Mark Mark B. Preman AmericanFlyerTrains.com --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41424	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 9/6/2006
Subject: So you think eBay prices are high

Check out these prices on Amazon: Greenberg's Guide to American Flyer s Gauge: Motor Power and Rolling Stock: Used $1,821.60 http://www.amazon.com/Greenbergs-Guide-American-Flyer- Gauge/dp/0897781767/sr=8-1/qid=1157566898/ref=sr_1_1/104-5477632- 0323927?ie=UTF8&s=books Greenberg's Guide to American Flyer s Gauge, Vol 2: Used $2,043.84 http://www.amazon.com/Greenbergs-Guide-American-Flyer- Gauge/dp/0897782143/sr=8-2/qid=1157566898/ref=sr_1_2/104-5477632- 0323927?ie=UTF8&s=books You better move on these quick before someone snaps them up!! BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41425	From: toymyb	Date: 9/6/2006
Subject: TTOS

Anybody have any TTOS tank cars for sale?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41426	From: Phil K	Date: 9/7/2006
Subject: Re: So you think eBay prices are high

If this indeed is the current selling price of these books, I have just become a very, very rich man. ;-) Phil K If you are willing to pay these prices, I also have a bridge you could buy (American Flyer). LOL! ************************************************************ --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Bull_Gator_1" <bull_gator_1@...> wrote: > > Check out these prices on Amazon: > > > Greenberg's Guide to American Flyer s Gauge: Motor Power and Rolling > Stock: Used $1,821.60 > > http://www.amazon.com/Greenbergs-Guide-American-Flyer- > Gauge/dp/0897781767/sr=8-1/qid=1157566898/ref=sr_1_1/104-5477632- > 0323927?ie=UTF8&s=books > > > Greenberg's Guide to American Flyer s Gauge, Vol 2: Used $2,043.84 > > http://www.amazon.com/Greenbergs-Guide-American-Flyer- > Gauge/dp/0897782143/sr=8-2/qid=1157566898/ref=sr_1_2/104-5477632- > 0323927?ie=UTF8&s=books > > > You better move on these quick before someone snaps them up!! > > BG1 >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41427	From: faltrain5	Date: 9/7/2006
Subject: Hey guys I just started a group and looking for some wanters.

Well, if you are all about the traditional 1946-'66 Gilbert American flyer then this group is what you have been looking for. Its about discussions just like this one but more selective. It is for those collectors who love the choo-choo heavy old steel locomotives of the good old days. The time of when Flyer was strongest financially and when as a kid you had no worries except to watch the trains around the christmas tree. The good old days. Come and talk and be apart of GAFT- Gilbert American Flyer Trains. Link: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/GAFT/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41428	From: rebendever	Date: 9/7/2006
Subject: 'Call for 2007 S/Sn Events Around the World.'

1:64 Modeling Guide Scale Magazine: Greetings Fellow S/Sn Modelers, Guess what? The 2007 Calendars are just around the corner and this is a 'Call for 2007 S/Sn Events Around the World.' Please send the name of the event(s) and the date(s) to Editor@... and we will list your event in the 2007 1:64 ModelingGuide Annual Calendar for absolutely FREE! Calendar Photo Winners will be announced in the next 1:64MG along with the great PRIZES that some of them have won for their entries! BTW 2007 Calendar on-line ordering opens up tomorrow, September 8 at www/1-64ModelingGuide.com! 2007 Calendars are 9.95 + S&H. Please NOTE: The 1:64 Modeling Guide's domain has changed to www.1- 64ModelingGuide.com. This email will continue to forward, but for prompter email responses, please change the domain address for this email by adding 1-64 in front of the ModelingGuide.com domain if you haven't already done so. Thank you! ================================== Got something to get off your chest in the "Pop Valve?" Go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/1-64ModelingGuidePopValve for the very latest news! Best Regards, ============== 1:64 Modeling Guide ================ Richard E. Bendever, Editor 1:64 Modeling Guide magazine "Everything that is anything in S-Standard/Narrow Gauge, Sn3, Sn2, Sn42, Sn30, 3/16" & 1:64 Scales." 910 Millvale Place, P. O. Box 465898, Lawrenceville, GA 30042-5898 www.DEBENLLC.com -- www.1-64ModelingGuide.com -- www.FineScaleMiniatures.Biz -- www.DoctorBens.Biz -- www.DrBens.Com - - www.MainStreetMotor.Biz ======================================= *NEW* Order Line: 770.985.2896 /FAX Line: 770.979.5069

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41429	From: George Cohn	Date: 9/7/2006
Subject: Re: So you think eBay prices are high

From: Bull_Gator_1 > Check out these prices on Amazon: > Greenberg's Guide to American Flyer s Gauge: Motor Power and Rolling > Stock: Used $1,821.60 > Probably a typo. ;-) I'm the list admin for a Jaguar XK-E list and there is one paperback that originally sold new for $19.95 about 5 years ago that consistenly gets listed on Amazon and eBay for prices up to $2,000. Guess I'll have to lock my dog-eared copy in the safe, along side the Greenberg's Guide. ;-) George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41430	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 9/7/2006
Subject: NEW - A Christmas Car and Other Things from SHS

I took a look today at the S Helper Service website and discovered a delightful new Christmas car. Its a bulkhead flat with a load of wrapped Christmas present. Its sort of like Lionel did a couple of years ago only much more eye-catching. I went ahead and ordered because I just had to have one. There are also new GM&O bulkhead flat cars with pipes, and Frisco and N&W stockcars that will hopefully join my trains of Tennesee-related railroads. - Earl Henry, Nashville [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41431	From: Phil K	Date: 9/7/2006
Subject: Re: Hey guys I just started a group and looking for some wanters.

Jeez, and here I thought we pretty much had traditional 1946-66 Gilbert American Flyer covered on this group. The Scalers and Narrow Gaugers have their own forum. So just what are you expecting to offer that's missing here? Phil K ************************************************************** --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "faltrain5" <faltrain5@...> wrote: > > Well, if you are all about the traditional 1946-'66 Gilbert American > flyer then this group is what you have been looking for. Its about > discussions just like this one but more selective. It is for those > collectors who love the choo-choo heavy old steel locomotives of the > good old days. The time of when Flyer was strongest financially and > when as a kid you had no worries except to watch the trains around the > christmas tree. The good old days. Come and talk and be apart of GAFT- > Gilbert American Flyer Trains. > > Link: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/GAFT/ >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41432	From: Ed	Date: 9/7/2006
Subject: Re: Hey guys I just started a group and looking for some wanters.

This is ridiculous. More splitting of our gauge. -------Original Message------- From: faltrain5 Date: 09/07/06 12:30:06 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Hey guys I just started a group and looking for some wanters. Well, if you are all about the traditional 1946-'66 Gilbert American flyer then this group is what you have been looking for. Its about discussions just like this one but more selective. It is for those collectors who love the choo-choo heavy old steel locomotives of the good old days. The time of when Flyer was strongest financially and when as a kid you had no worries except to watch the trains around the christmas tree. The good old days. Come and talk and be apart of GAFT- Gilbert American Flyer Trains. Link: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/GAFT/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41433	From: Rick Evans	Date: 9/7/2006
Subject: Re: NEW - A Christmas Car and Other Things from SHS

****(((( took a look today at the S Helper Service website and discovered a delightful new Christmas car. Its a bulkhead flat with a load of wrapped Christmas present. ))))***** Which reminds me, I didn't run my "Rudolph" car last year! http://www.showcaseline.com/PhotoGallery/ChristmasCars/2003.jpg Maybe THIS Christmas. Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41434	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 9/8/2006
Subject: Re;Hey guys I just started a new group and looking for some wanters

There's a line from the movie "The Enemy Below" which kind of somes this up: "He's new herr Kapitain, he'll soon tire of it." Stumpy...off to announce races this weekend.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41435	From: lember2004	Date: 9/8/2006
Subject: Question about 23763 PikeMaster era track trip

I am trying to find out if the "23763 electric track trip" listed in Greenberg and offered in the AF catalogs from 1961-64 was really just a 'regular' 23762 vented track trip, but packaged along with the pins & track clips needed for PikeMaster track - or whether there really was a distinct 23763-numbered track trip. Any info will be appreciated! Mark

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41436	From: Roy Inman	Date: 9/8/2006
Subject: Re: Hey guys I just started a group and looking for some wanters.

At least two schools of thought here: The new group will be divisive. The new group will further enhance, enlighten and entertain those interested in S. How could the S community be more fractured? -There are a number of variations in wheel size and flanges. -There are a number of variations in couplers. -There is old Flyer VS Flyonel. -There are those who are only scale modelers, at least one of whom declared on the S-scale list, and with richeous indignation that if the SHS 2-8-0 had a smoke unit he would not so much as touch it. Well, I suppose it might rub off... -Sn3 folks who are not only a different gauge but a different prototype size as well. And yet, we all get along so swimmingly :) IMHO, yet another group only serves to further the interests of a segment of a segment of the modeling world. Those who join are saying that the existing forums do not fill their wants, I think. So that no matter how good the S-trains and S-scale lists are, those folks will never be satisfied in any event. And I say viva la difference. Cheers :) Roy Inman From: Ed <ejenterp@...> Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2006 12:50:30 -0700 (Pacific Standard Time) To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, faltrain5 <faltrain5@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Hey guys I just started a group and looking for some wanters. This is ridiculous. More splitting of our gauge. -------Original Message------- From: faltrain5 Date: 09/07/06 12:30:06 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: [S-Trains] Hey guys I just started a group and looking for some wanters. Well, if you are all about the traditional 1946-'66 Gilbert American flyer then this group is what you have been looking for. Its about discussions just like this one but more selective. It is for those collectors who love the choo-choo heavy old steel locomotives of the good old days. The time of when Flyer was strongest financially and when as a kid you had no worries except to watch the trains around the christmas tree. The good old days. Come and talk and be apart of GAFT- Gilbert American Flyer Trains. Link: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/GAFT/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41437	From: Rick Evans	Date: 9/8/2006
Subject: Re: Hey guys I just started a group and looking for some wanters.

Isn't there ALREADY a "American Flyer" group at Yahoo?? Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41438	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 9/8/2006
Subject: NEW GROUP

To me :S" is "S"...... be it scale or as a lot of us like.... TOYISH..... Let us not forget our Childhood dreams as we layed on the floor, looking at the latest catalog from ACG.... Dreaming of that hugh emprire we would someday build..... Now we can..... Me I have a mixture from Casey Jones to a full scale brass BIG BOY in :S:".... We only need 1 group...... we can of course mess it up by fracturing it...... lets keep it simple and we do not need to do this............. "When NASA first started sending up astronauts, they quickly discovered that ballpoint pens would not work in zero gravity. To combat the problem, NASA scientists spent a decade and $12 billion to develop a pen that writes in zero gravity, upside down, underwater, on almost any surface including glass and at temperatures ranging from below freezing to 300 C. The Russians used a pencil.!!!!!!! " Lets stick with the pencil......Lets KISS it....... I have met so many good people on this list....... Men and Gals...... Its a fine group of people as is....... Bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41439	From: Mark Preman	Date: 9/8/2006
Subject: 20% Off Sale on American Flyer Trains and Accessories

Having just successfully finished the 25% off all Flyonel sale, let's continue the fun with a 20% off sale on anything you find on the website (subject to prior sale). The sale will run for the month of September. Please ask for the discount so I know you are from the S-Trains Group. Click here to go to the website; http://www.americanflyertrains.com Mark Mark B. Preman AmericanFlyerTrains.com --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41440	From: Phil K	Date: 9/8/2006
Subject: Re: NEW GROUP

I am a member of this group. I also am a member of the S-Scale Trains and the American Flyer groups here on Yahoo, the forums at Trains.com, Jerry Matsick's "For Sale" group on Yahoo, and the OGR forums, wherein Rich Melvin has a dedicated S gauge group. Maybe I'm just too lazy to join another, but for what purpose? How much time is one expected to devote to new groups, and at what cost? How many S groups do we really need? I wish there was one big one, period (this one would do just fine, thank you). Pretty soon, there will be more S groups than there are S gaugers. Just my $0.02 Phil K ******************************************************************** --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "ROBERT ALLEN CONNER" <rcon7@...> wrote: > > To me :S" is "S"...... be it scale or as a lot of us like.... TOYISH..... Let us not forget our Childhood dreams as we layed on the floor, looking at the latest catalog from ACG.... Dreaming of that hugh emprire we would someday build..... Now we can..... Me I have a mixture from Casey Jones to a full scale brass BIG BOY in :S:".... We only need 1 group...... we can of course mess it up by fracturing it...... lets keep it simple and we do not need to do this............. > > "When NASA first started sending up astronauts, they quickly discovered that ballpoint pens would not work in zero gravity. > > To combat the problem, NASA scientists spent a decade and $12 billion to develop a pen that writes in zero gravity, upside down, underwater, on almost any surface including glass and at temperatures ranging from below freezing to 300 C. > > The Russians used a pencil.!!!!!!! " > > Lets stick with the pencil......Lets KISS it....... I have met so many good people on this list....... Men and Gals...... Its a fine group of people as is....... Bob > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41441	From: George Cohn	Date: 9/8/2006
Subject: Re: NEW GROUP

ROBERT ALLEN CONNER wrote: > > We only need > 1 group...... we can of course mess it up by fracturing it...... I'm the list admin for an email list on http://www.jag-lovers.org Let me tell you a true story. Ten years ago, Jag-Lovers had one big list which covered all models of Jaguar automobiles. The folks who drove modern models didn't want to hear about those of us who had classic models, and the classic purists didn't want to hear about folks who modified the classics, thereby destroying their collector value. We ended up creating over a dozen different lists to cater to each category. There was a lot of discussion at the time about "Putting it all back together" into one big list. "Having multiple lists would destroy the site" was one often quoted line. Didn't happen. We grew and grew and now have nearly 54,000 members who regularly post to the various forums. My particular list, e-type has had something like 211,000 searchable posts over the last ten years. It would be really cool if the train hobbiests could do the same thing. One list for those of us who only enjoy classic American Flyer. A list for Flyonel, one for scratch builders, etc. But let me warn you, it takes a dedicated volunteer team of folks to pull it off. So no, there is absolutely nothing wrong with having a specialized list for niche groups of the hobby. George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41442	From: Bill	Date: 9/8/2006
Subject: Lehigh Valley S gaugers Roundtable Website

Hi, Several years ago, the LVSG stopped sending out 60 some, 10 page quarterly newsletters, we decided to go to a website. Our website has been available to all S Gauge modelers since that time and we're not sure that we are getting the word out on all of our clubs activities as successfully as when we sent it out in print. We really don't want to go back to the labor intensive, and expensive hard copy ROUNDTABLE. What compounds our problem is that neither the S Gaugian, nor the Dispatches, Club editors, use websites for their information. Dave Pool of the Dispatch now has a computer. Today we attached two new articles to our Roundtable. (1) The Lehigh Valley S Gaugers annual picnic, which this year was held at the Middletown and Hummelstown railroad in Central Pennsylvania. (2) A report on LVSG members Dave Heine's Narrow Gauge model railroad. While at our website, please check out all of our activities listed. http://www.lehighvalleysgaugers.org/ Thank"S", Bill Fraley Stan Furmanak, Co-Editors [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41443	From: geep39	Date: 9/9/2006
Subject: New AF Groups--We Need More!

Aww c'mon! We need a "Link Coupler Users Group", "Knuckle Coupler Users Group", a "Smoke-In-Tender Users Group", an "Aluminum Passenger Car group", a "Link to Knuckle Coupler Converters Remorse Group", a "Frustrated Diesel Loco Fixers Group", an "Airchime Whistle True Believers Group", a "Smoke Capsule Only Users Group",and many others I haven't thought of yet. The more the merrier!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41444	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 9/9/2006
Subject: Re: BAKELITE REPAIR

What has been used for Bakelite repair? And worked, Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41445	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 9/9/2006
Subject: new train group question

I just got a box with a strong #134 on it...... can't find any info on it in Tufts or Romers books....... it also had 3 boxes curve, lots of engins and car cardboard dividers, a 343 loco , talking station information sheets... warning tag not to turn wheels and a tranny and a nice 1951 cataloge....... So any ideas on what goes in this box..... Bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41447	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 9/9/2006
Subject: WARNING!!!!!! E-BAY ITEM

Hey what is this guy asking $80,000 for a NPK SET for? Item # 120030016692 OK It's me :)... I just thought a high price would bring a fair offer :) Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41448	From: Phil K	Date: 9/9/2006
Subject: NEW GROUP: Lets look at the numbers

You make some good points, George. But I don't think they can apply here because there are many, many more people (54,000+ based on your numbers) who have an interest in or collect Jaguars. I'd also venture an intelligent guess that more Jag collectors are of an age or demographic to where they are computer/Internet savvy. In our S gauge club, we still have to snail mail newsletters to 37 of 58 members because they don't have computers with Internet access to receive it via PFD file. Or even just an email address where we could send it. For comparison, this S-Trains list has been around about eight years and has 52,739 less members and 169,553 fewer searchable posts than the Jag gang. So what may have worked for your Jaguar group may not necessarily work here. More numbers: The S Scale Yahoo group has 769 members with 38,648 searchable posts in eight years. The current American Flyer group on Yahoo only has 200 members with 412 searchable posts IN EIGHT YEARS (that's a busy 52 per year, or about one a week) -- so my personal opinion is that I think creating ANOTHER American Flyer group which can only duplicate most of what's going on there and perhaps splinter us further is totally unnecessary. Yes, it's a free country and anyone can start whatever special- interest Yahoo S groups they desire. But that freedom also allows anyone else to express their thoughts on the topic, as long as they remain civil. It will be interesting to follow the new group's progress. Respectfully, Phil K ****************************************************************** --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, George Cohn <gwcohn@...> wrote: > > ROBERT ALLEN CONNER wrote: > > > > We only need > > 1 group...... we can of course mess it up by fracturing it...... > > I'm the list admin for an email list on http://www.jag-lovers.org > > Let me tell you a true story. > > Ten years ago, Jag-Lovers had one big list which covered all models of > Jaguar automobiles. > > The folks who drove modern models didn't want to hear about those of us > who had classic models, and the classic purists didn't want to hear > about folks who modified the classics, thereby destroying their > collector value. > > We ended up creating over a dozen different lists to cater to each > category. There was a lot of discussion at the time about "Putting it > all back together" into one big list. "Having multiple lists would > destroy the site" was one often quoted line. > > Didn't happen. We grew and grew and now have nearly 54,000 members who > regularly post to the various forums. My particular list, e-type has > had something like 211,000 searchable posts over the last ten years. > > It would be really cool if the train hobbiests could do the same thing. > > One list for those of us who only enjoy classic American Flyer. A list > for Flyonel, one for scratch builders, etc. > > But let me warn you, it takes a dedicated volunteer team of folks to > pull it off. > > So no, there is absolutely nothing wrong with having a specialized list > for niche groups of the hobby. > > George Cohn >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41449	From: Rick Evans	Date: 9/9/2006
Subject: Re: NEW GROUP: Lets look at the numbers

**((The current American Flyer group on Yahoo only has 200 members with 412 searchable posts IN EIGHT YEARS (that's a busy 52 per year, or about one a week) ))** Yep, that group seems pretty dead. I am a member, but all the action is in S-trains. Now I have to ask, and I'm not sure who is starting the "new" group, but are they aware of the exisiting American Flyer group? I also checked out the current American Flyer group's stats after my last posting on the issue. Peace out, Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41450	From: burkhardt1938	Date: 9/9/2006
Subject: Reverse loop wiring

I have tried using a Flyer automatic reverse unit for reverse loops and can't get it to work. I also have tried the use of a dpdt switch and can't get the loop working. I got a diagram from Doug Peck but it doesn't seem to work either. My problem is that when the train passes over the fiber pin insulated track section, it reverses, jumps forward, then tries to reverse and stalls. Can the engine work in a reverse loop if it is set to go forward and reverse, or does it have to be set to run in only one direction? Could that be my problem. Please help. I also have the same problem with a wye in my layout. The same thing happens in the wye as in the reverse loop. The train will get past the fiber pins if I set it to run forward only. But not if I set it to run forward/reverse. I'm stumped.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41451	From: FEZANDPAZ@aol.com	Date: 9/9/2006
Subject: Re: NEW GROUP: Lets look at the numbers

I think many on this group want things to stay the way they are. Why I don't know! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41452	From: T Larson	Date: 9/9/2006
Subject: SWIFT

The guy ahead of me in line got the last Enhorning SWIFT (white letters on red reefer) decals. Anybody got a set that they don't intend to use? -- Ted Larson Waltrip's Law: If it ain't broke, work on it until it is!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41453	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 9/9/2006
Subject: Train Humor

http://www.comics.com/comics/bignate/ Click on the link to the comic "Big Nate" and go September 9. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41454	From: theheadliner	Date: 9/9/2006
Subject: Re: BAKELITE REPAIR

Mike, I have been in the antique business all my life, Third generation in the business, in fact. Over the years I have had several pieces of Bakelite that had to be repaired. Old pocket knife handles, are an example. I use the old resin furniture repair sticks. I know they are available today, but without a bunch of checking don't know where to tell you to find them. 30 years ago you could get them at any hardware or lumber store, might still be able to, but chances are slim, 'cause they don't stock anything today that they can't sell a ton of every day. The resin comes in a multitude of colors and one will match up with almost any Bakelite. To use, you hold a flame to the end of the resin stick until it melts and drips on the item you want to fix. I use a bic lighter. I guarantee you that you need to do some practice before you apply it to the real item. Once applied it can be filed, then sanded and polished to make it look good. The last thing to really finish it off is to use wax shoe polish as close in color as possible. Once done it is almost impossible to find the mend. The above information is assuming you have a chip or hole in the Bakelite. If it has been broken into two pieces, it is a completely different process. In this case I would use Leech's 5 minute epoxy. There are other quick set epoxies out there, but none in the same class with Leech's. Again this is a brand that is hard to find. It is made in Hutchinson, KS. If you can't find it in your area you can contact the company, any of the yellow page sites will have a listing. Company is Leech Products, Inc. Item number is L5M-37. Product name on the package is Quick-I-Poxy. It will hold anything!!! It dries fast enough that it can be hand held until set. Jerry --- On Sat 09/09, < anormal1@... > wrote: From: [mailto: anormal1@...] To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2006 11:38:48 EDT Subject: [S-Trains] RE: BAKELITE REPAIR What has been used for Bakelite repair? And worked, Mike _______________________________________________ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41455	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 9/9/2006
Subject: Sunday Chat, 9/10/2006, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 41456	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 9/9/2006
Subject: Harold and Maude

Last night, a favorite movie from 1971, "Harold and Maude" was on the Turner Classic Move channel. It was a film, that did not do to well in the theatres, but had a college cult following, as I first saw this film at U of MD in 1974. The reason I mention this film on these list, is that Maude lives in a passenger car, like a AF heavy weight, nicely redone inside, as one of the windows is still from the car. But in one scene, that I forgot about, is that Harold and Maude are celebrating her 80th birthday and they are at a amusement park. They stop at a display of a well done train layout, as this scene goes on for at least a minute, as they are watching the trains run, with train noises. Lots of building on the layout. Sadly, it was that three rail track! Since this was 1971, I am sure it was Lionel trains. If some of you are not familiar with this movie, go to www.allmovie.com and you fine all you need to know. Lots of music by Cat Stevens in it. Great and funny movie. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41457	From: Bruce D. Willis	Date: 9/9/2006
Subject: Box Car with Windows?

I just saw an ebay listing for the 1989 TCA Tool Car (ebay #300026131368). I've never heard of such a car. Was this a one time thing to add windows to a box car? I like it and think "L" should mass produce it so it will be affordable. - Bruce W.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41458	From: velapoldi	Date: 9/10/2006
Subject: Re: NEW GROUP: Lets look at the numbers

Hi all: It would be interesting if those (the person?) who are (is) starting the new group would write a short review of the group's objectives and a factual listing of why they feel we need another group. It isn't necessary to 'flame' current groups/individuals, but to just get a few ideas out as to what they hope to gain that they feel they can't get in the existing groups. I would like to see their comments, in addition to seeing all the other comments (mostly con) that the announcement has generated. thanks for the information Rance Velapoldi (Norway) FEZANDPAZ@... wrote: > > I think many on this group want things to stay the way they are. Why I > don't > know! > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41459	From: Alex Sibbald	Date: 9/10/2006
Subject: Re: Box Car with Windows?

Stick it on those nice K-line sprung trucks and I will buy one also. Alex "Bruce D. Willis" wrote: > I just saw an ebay listing for the 1989 TCA Tool Car (ebay > #300026131368). I've never heard of such a car. Was this a one time > thing to add windows to a box car? I like it and think "L" should > mass produce it so it will be affordable. > - Bruce W. > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41460	From: Robert Graves	Date: 9/10/2006
Subject: Re: Box Car with Windows?

I couldn't find it in either Greenberg's or the TM Guide. I know the seller, so I fired him an email asking where I could get more info on it. I'll report back to the group on what I learn. In the meantime, can anyone else give us eome insighr? Bob "Bruce D. Willis" <willisbd@...> wrote: I just saw an ebay listing for the 1989 TCA Tool Car (ebay #300026131368). I've never heard of such a car. Was this a one time thing to add windows to a box car? I like it and think "L" should mass produce it so it will be affordable. - Bruce W. --------------------------------- How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger’s low PC-to-Phone call rates. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41461	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 9/10/2006
Subject: Re: NEW GROUP: Lets look at the numbers

Why I don't need a new group,,,,Cross postings.... I am on S trains, S scale, NASG, S/Sn3 Modeling Guide, I get emails from each. What I don't need is another copy of the same eMail notice in my inbox, which I'm sure I'd get if I were to join any more lists. jfred Rick Evans <bassflyer@...> wrote: **((The current American Flyer group on Yahoo only has 200 members with 412 searchable posts IN EIGHT YEARS (that's a busy 52 per year, or about one a week) ))** Yep, that group seems pretty dead. I am a member, but all the action is in S-trains. Now I have to ask, and I'm not sure who is starting the "new" group, but are they aware of the exisiting American Flyer group? I also checked out the current American Flyer group's stats after my last posting on the issue. Peace out, Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41462	From: BENJAMIN PERRY	Date: 9/10/2006
Subject: Re: Box Car with Windows?

The prototype was very common on railroads all over the country. A railroad would would take old box cars (most times wooden) and modify them for use in work or wreck trains. They would cut windows in the car and make other changes as required. The cars were used as workshops, storage of material and even bunk cars. Ben Perry HE LIT A MATCH TO CHECK GAS TANK THAT'S WHY THEY CALL HIM SKINLESS FRANK BURMA~SHAVE -----Original Message----- From: Bruce D. Willis Sent: Saturday, September 9, 2006 10:09 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Box Car with Windows? I just saw an ebay listing for the 1989 TCA Tool Car (ebay #300026131368). I've never heard of such a car. Was this a one time thing to add windows to a box car? I like it and think "L" should mass produce it so it will be affordable. - Bruce W. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41463	From: muphythekid	Date: 9/10/2006
Subject: Smoke Fluid

Hi, this might be a strange question but how much do I use? Also what types should I used, what types are out there? I was told by my neighbor that I could use lamp oil in place of the smoke fluid. But, he's a Lionel collector. (He has a neat Lionel dealer display layout that he operates.) Is there a diffence between Lionel and American Flyer smoke units? Are there pros and cons to this? Bob

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41464	From: Gerald Dobbs	Date: 9/10/2006
Subject: Reverse loop wiring

6. Reverse loop wiring Posted by: "burkhardt1938" burkhardt1938@... burkhardt1938 Date: Sat Sep 9, 2006 3:37 pm (PDT) I have tried using a Flyer automatic reverse unit for reverse loops and can't get it to work. I also have tried the use of a dpdt switch and can't get the loop working. I got a diagram from Doug Peck but it doesn't seem to work either. My problem is that when the train passes over the fiber pin insulated track section, it reverses, jumps forward, then tries to reverse and stalls. Can the engine work in a reverse loop if it is set to go forward and reverse, or does it have to be set to run in only one direction? Could that be my problem. Please help. I also have the same problem with a wye in my layout. The same thing happens in the wye as in the reverse loop. The train will get past the fiber pins if I set it to run forward only. But not if I set it to run forward/reverse. I'm stumped. FROM your description I would say that you are operating the loop wrong. The power should be the same polarity going into the loop. ( at the fiber pins ) Change the polarity with the train running in the loop. exit the loop with the polarity matched at the fiber pins. I use the term polarity only to distinguish the poles between the BASE post and 7-15 volt post. AC current has + and - in the 7-15 side of the transformer, alternating 60 cycles per second. Changing the polarity with the train running on that section will not effect the direction, IT is not like DC power ( HO ) where reversing polarity reverses the train. Jerry 77-11644

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41465	From: velapoldi	Date: 9/10/2006
Subject: Re: seller

Hi all: I sent out an enquiry several days ago asking if anyone knew P. Larson who lives in Berwyn, Illinois and sells some AF equipment and railroad books. I haven't heard anything from the lists, and just thought I would ask one last time. Thanks for any info; please contact me off-line. Rance Velapoldi (Norway) > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41466	From: Rick Evans	Date: 9/10/2006
Subject: Re: Smoke Fluid

I, at one time, used lamp oil, this list, for the most part, talked me out of it. Too much paraffin (sp?)......it could clog the wick. For sure you don't want to over-fill. Mike at normal1@... sells some VERY good smoke fluid IMHO. He is a list member. Rick. Hi, this might be a strange question but how much do I use? Also what types should I used, what types are out there? I was told by my neighbor that I could use lamp oil in place of the smoke fluid. But, he's a Lionel collector. (He has a neat Lionel dealer display layout that he operates.) Is there a diffence between Lionel and American Flyer smoke units? Are there pros and cons to this? Bob S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41467	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 9/10/2006
Subject: Re: SMOKE FLUID

That's Anormal1. com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41468	From: Phil K	Date: 9/10/2006
Subject: Re: NEW GROUP: Lets look at the numbers

Here's how I see it: The new group became a viable topic for discussion here on S-Trains -- pro or con -- when its founder used the S-Trains forum to promote and solict members for his new group. I like the S-Trains group because it has so much diversity; we have discussions about every aspect of S. Frankly, I could care less about DCC operation of S, yet I don't make posts telling those people to go elsewhere. I pick and choose what I want to read about, that's all. Phil K ***************************************************************** --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, velapoldi <velapoldi@...> wrote: > > Hi all: > It would be interesting if those (the person?) who are (is) starting the > new group would write a short review of the group's objectives and a > factual listing of why they feel we need another group. It isn't > necessary to 'flame' current groups/individuals, but to just get a few > ideas out as to what they hope to gain that they feel they can't get in > the existing groups. I would like to see their comments, in addition to > seeing all the other comments (mostly con) that the announcement has > generated. > thanks for the information > Rance Velapoldi (Norway) > > FEZANDPAZ@... wrote: > > > > I think many on this group want things to stay the way they are. Why I > > don't > > know! > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41469	From: Phil K	Date: 9/10/2006
Subject: Re: SMOKE FLUID

Your smoke fluid isn't $80,000 a bottle, is it? LOL --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, anormal1@... wrote: > > That's Anormal1. com > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41470	From: Rick Evans	Date: 9/10/2006
Subject: Re: SMOKE FLUID

***(((That's Anormal1. com)))**** OOPS! Sorry Mike, I left off the "A" when I copied your address for my post! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41471	From: Rick Evans	Date: 9/10/2006
Subject: Re: NEW GROUP: Lets look at the numbers

***(((I like the S-Trains group because it has so much diversity; we have discussions about every aspect of S. Frankly, I could care less about DCC operation of S, yet I don't make posts telling those people to go elsewhere. I pick and choose what I want to read about, that's all. )))**** I feel the same way as Phil. There are plenty of discussions on things here that don't interest me, but I feel that for Amercian Flyer chit-chat, S-Trains is still,..............the best place to be. Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41472	From: kenwoodies1	Date: 9/10/2006
Subject: Re: Boxcar with windows

These cars turn up on ebay every so often. These are NOT factory produced cars. The CNYSG club had Lionel produce the 0700 orange boxcar back in 1981. Lionel required them to order 2000 cars at that time. The CNYSG got stuck with hundreds of leftover cars. In order to recoup their capital outlay they converted these cars into several paint schemes. These are really nothing more than homemade cars. Anyone selling these as factory cars is guilty of deception. You can read the late Walt Danylak's reply to me about these cars in November of 2002. Check out message number 22042. Jim Duncan

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41473	From: bimorph	Date: 9/10/2006
Subject: American Flyer, Plasticville for sale

Hi, I am selling mostly accessories but I have some rolling stock. These are all items that I once had on my layout and they are in used condition. Log loader, coal loaders,magnetic crane, stations with crane, bridges, etc... I also have steam engine shells without guts for those of you with guts who want to restore them. I have thirty one Plasticville buildings in boxes. These are mostly from the 1950s and look mostly complete. If your interested and you can get to Long Island, NY then email me. I'm cleaning house and I don't want to ship anything. Remember, " One man's junk is another man's junk!" I'll be typing up a list if nobody runs over here tonight. thanks, Al bimorph (at) yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41474	From: Robert Graves	Date: 9/11/2006
Subject: Fwd: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Boxcar with windows

I forwarded the message about this car to the seller and he sent the following reply: > Bob: I have had discussions with other TCA members, > and they have > different feelings about the car. And, as far as it > being "nothing > more than a home made car", why would some people > spend $100's of > dollars? When someone, show's me a picture of the > car, that put's it > into the "homemade" category, I will think about > amending my item > description. I have added some writing to the > description, and have > put it out to the ebay faithful, to help me answer > the question. > > Regards, > > Rick --------------------------------- Get your email and more, right on the new Yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41475	From: jt12313	Date: 9/11/2006
Subject: Folding/modular s layouts

Has anyone out there built a smaller S layout that either folds or disassembles. I have my big layout in the basement but would like to build something that I can use on those days when I have baby duty and cannot leave the vicinity of the pack and play. I would like to use the S helper track that I own as the track. Jeff T. Any suggestions or direction [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41476	From: kenwoodies1	Date: 9/11/2006
Subject: Fwd: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Boxcar with windows

Bob, I already had a discussion with the seller, who is a TCA member, about this car. I informed him about the origin of this car. Before I comment on his reluctance to accept the truth about this car let's examine why this is a homemade car. I have several of this 0700 boxcar. I now decide to strip off the lettering, add windows to the car, repaint it gray and letter it. I now print a new label and affix it to the box. I then advertise it on ebay as a RARE TCA Convention car, misleading bidders, who run the price up to $259.00. Considering that an original 0700 boxcar, from which these tool cars were made, just sold on ebay for $71.00 (see ebay #250008577023)it shows how ridiculous this is. Now you know why you can't find this car in any price guide. I guess if I'm the seller and I've got a bid for $259.00 for a homemade car I wouldn't want to tell the bidders about my false advertising! Jim Duncan

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41477	From: Charles E. Smith	Date: 9/11/2006
Subject: Re: Folding/modular s layouts

Check out the S-Mod standards at Paul York's site, http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/ Chuck Smith, http://www.trainweb.org/chucksmith On matters of style swim with the current. On matters of substance stand like a rock. Thos. Jefferson (may be paraphrased) ----- Original Message ----- From: jt12313 To: S-trains Sent: Monday, September 11, 2006 6:57 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Folding/modular s layouts Has anyone out there built a smaller S layout that either folds or disassembles. I have my big layout in the basement but would like to build something that I can use on those days when I have baby duty and cannot leave the vicinity of the pack and play. I would like to use the S helper track that I own as the track. Jeff T. Any suggestions or direction [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41478	From: Howard Sheffield	Date: 9/11/2006
Subject: Re: Folding/modular s layouts

Hi Jeff I built an 8' x 5' portable layout to take to shows. I made it 5' wide so that it would comfortably handle 3 track loops. The inner loop is AF track with 2 switches at angles to let us operate various accessories on the interior of the loop. The second loop is SHS track and the 3rd is AM track to show people the various rails available in S. I am going to change the outer loop to code 100 to run scale and DCC I am going to mate the SHS, Flyer and AM track on a loop to show people compatibility. The table has removable legs and folds in the middle lengthwise with door hinges to be able to transport it inside a pick up truck or trailer. I use a 4 wheel cart to push it around. The frame is 1x4 with 2.5 inch holes cut in it to reduce weight and provide electrical race ways. I used plywood on the top for strength considering the transportation issues and covered it with a green outdoor mat (not outdoor carpet) sold at Home Depot in 6' wide rolls. So far the table has withstood over 4 years of abuse. I would consider using foam on the top to reduce weight and sound if I were not transporting it. Instead of hinges, you could lay it on the floor and use connectors to hold it together or use the plastic saw horses to lay the sides on. I would not advise putting the layout across the dinning room table unless you have a really understanding wife. Good luck Howard Sheffield Howard' S Trains On Sep 11, 2006, at 3:57 PM, jt12313 wrote: > Has anyone out there built a smaller S layout that either folds or > disassembles. I have my big layout in the basement but would like to > build something that I can use on those days when I have baby duty and > cannot leave the vicinity of the pack and play. > > I would like to use the S helper track that I own as the track. > > Jeff T. > > Any suggestions or direction > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41479	From: Donald Munsey Jr.	Date: 9/12/2006
Subject: Re: Folding/modular s layouts

Jeff, This may be old news - but - in the world of small layouts, Carl Arendt's site is a must see! His Micro layouts range in scale from Nn3 to 7/8 scale! Check it out at http://carendt.com/ Keep in touch. Don Munsey, Jr. dmunseyjr@... Sn42 and Hn42 logging fan Virginian Rwy fan Bonsai grasshopper Living in the UpperRightCorner of Louisiana. ----- Original Message ----- From: "jt12313" <jt12313@...> To: "S-trains" <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, September 11, 2006 5:57 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Folding/modular s layouts > Has anyone out there built a smaller S layout that either folds or > disassembles. I have my big layout in the basement but would like to build > something that I can use on those days when I have baby duty and cannot > leave the vicinity of the pack and play. > > I would like to use the S helper track that I own as the track. > > Jeff T. > > Any suggestions or direction > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41480	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 9/12/2006
Subject: Re: Tsunami sound DCC 2-8-0s

Our DCC interface boards arrived yesterday from China and we have started to ship the back ordered Tsunami DCC sound 2-8-0s. Robin has been contacting customers regarding the balance due. If you have one of these on order and have not heard from Robin, please give her a call at: 800-465-0303. If anyone would like one of these engines, we will have extras once the orders are filled. This should take a few days. Best regards, Don http://www.showcaseline.com/Locos/2-8-0/2-8-0_in_stock.html PS I would like to take this opportunity to thank Bill Clark for all of his work on our DCC projects. Bill re-wrote our 2-8-0 instruction booklet to correctly reflect needs of our DCC engine. Thank you Bill (where ever you are - Bill is with his brother out west touring on motorcycles).

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41481	From: T Larson	Date: 9/12/2006
Subject: SFRD

A while back there was discussion about the similarity between the AF plug door reefer shell and rebuilt SFRD reefers. This intrigued me enough to decide to build up an AF shell for SFRD. For anybody else that is interested, here are some research results. These SFRD reefers were rebuilt starting in the early 50's. The paint scheme used then was the 1947-1958 scheme with passenger train name on one side - "Ship and Travel Santa Fe" on the other. These are available from Tom Lennon's Milepost 169 and from Clover House. I have not found a photo of these cars in the later large herald, but I've seen photos of similar cars in that later scheme, so it would not surprise me if these were also painted that way. Tom Lennon has that later decal also. I'm told that THE definitive Santa Fe reefer book includes detailed information on these cars; http://www.atsfrr.net/store/book3.htm Contact me off-list if you want more links to on-line photos. Also see some links in my early July messages on the s-scale list. http://freight.railfan.ca/atsf/sfrd11286.jpg -- Ted Larson Waltrip's Law: If it ain't broke, work on it until it is!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41482	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 9/12/2006
Subject: Re;Folding/modular layouts

I've been doing display layouts for several years and about five years ago went to extruded styrene sheet (Styrofoam) to build layouts on. So far I've done several small and micro layouts in On30 and two in S gauge. All have worked well using train show tables or my own card tables. Pictures of the layout I took to this year's S Spree are in the S Trains PHOTOS section about 5 pages in, in the album "Stumpy's Stuff". This one uses S Helper flex track bent to 15" radius curves. A second, larger layout is in s-scale.org in the Photo Albums. The first album is titled "S Friends" which you click on and then go down to "Stumpy Stone's Trains". This layout uses S Helper sectional track of standard Flyer radius. These were built to sit on a table and sections are connected by rail joiners and jumper wires. Stumpy Stone in eastern Ohio.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41483	From: Phil K	Date: 9/12/2006
Subject: Fwd: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Boxcar with windows

To his credit, the seller has ended the sale of this car early. I do not know if it will be relisted. Phil K ************************************************************* --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "kenwoodies1" <kenwoodies@...> wrote: > > Bob, I already had a discussion with the seller, who is a TCA member, > about this car. I informed him about the origin of this car. Before I > comment on his reluctance to accept the truth about this car let's > examine why this is a homemade car. I have several of this 0700 > boxcar. I now decide to strip off the lettering, add windows to the > car, repaint it gray and letter it. I now print a new label and affix > it to the box. I then advertise it on ebay as a RARE TCA Convention > car, misleading bidders, who run the price up to $259.00. Considering > that an original 0700 boxcar, from which these tool cars were made, > just sold on ebay for $71.00 (see ebay #250008577023)it shows how > ridiculous this is. Now you know why you can't find this car in any > price guide. I guess if I'm the seller and I've got a bid for $259.00 > for a homemade car I wouldn't want to tell the bidders about my false > advertising! Jim Duncan >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41484	From: Phil K	Date: 9/12/2006
Subject: Now he's selling a never-made "AF Car Wash"

This may be one of the ones I think John Heck had made. But it did not come from American Flyer. It is not American Flyer. It was listed in one of the catalogs, I believe, but was never produced. If anyone knows more about where this came from, please chime in. 300025209055 Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41485	From: Gerald Dobbs	Date: 9/12/2006
Subject: (no subject)

For a small layout use 4 or 6 sections of the ALL ABOARD set. Although it has 15" radius most flyer will run on that radius. plus you have a piece of Gilbert history. Jerry 77-11644

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41486	From: Keith Blanchard	Date: 9/12/2006
Subject: Pine Canyon News Advert

Hi Gang, Just a quick note to let you know what we have been up to at Pine Canyon. We are expanding our Route 66 series with Don's Generic Gas. We will have the same gas station with canopy over the front island within a couple weeks. Though we call it generic, the kit includes signs for many brands of gas. These kits should start shipping within a couple weeks. Here is a link to the fun, http://www.pinecanyonscalemodels.com/s-scalekits.htm More to come soon. Having Fun, Keith Blanchard http://www.pinecanyonrr.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41487	From: cliffgarz@aol.com	Date: 9/13/2006
Subject: Re: Carwash

I had seen these before offered for sale on a lot of the Flyer websites I don't know who makes them but they are nice i have even seen them at shows. Doug Peck may know more about their origins In a message dated 9/13/06 9:08:36 AM, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes: > 6. Now he's selling a never-made "AF Car Wash" >     Posted by: "Phil K" waldootten@... waldootten >     Date: Tue Sep 12, 2006 3:37 pm (PDT) > > This may be one of the ones I think John Heck had made. But it did not > come from American Flyer. It is not American Flyer. It was listed in > one of the catalogs, I believe, but was never produced. If anyone knows more > about where this came from, please chime in. > > 300025209055 > > Phil K  > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41488	From: Mark Preman	Date: 9/13/2006
Subject: AF Train Business For Sale

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 41489	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 9/13/2006
Subject: Re: Now he's selling a never-made "AF Car Wash"

I saw one of these at a show in Atlanta. I think the seller was asking either $300 or $400 for it. The seller indicated he bought it from the guy who had them made and that it was a copy of an AF prototype. It was still on his table when I left so I don't know if it sold or not. BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Phil K" <waldootten@...> wrote: > > This may be one of the ones I think John Heck had made. But it did not > come from American Flyer. It is not American Flyer. It was listed in > one of the catalogs, I believe, but was never produced. If anyone knows more about where this came from, please chime in. > > 300025209055 > > Phil K >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41490	From: N Becker	Date: 9/13/2006
Subject: Car Washer

This item was made and sold by Triple S more than a few years ago. E-mail me off line and I will sent a picture of mine. Neil Becker COO, Charlotte Northern Railroad Charlotte, MI afmaven@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41491	From: keefer1	Date: 9/13/2006
Subject: car wash

Wasn't it made by the guy that did the repro towers. GILBERT REPRODUCTIONS , I think. Tom from SSS used to sell them. Keith __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41492	From: romoyer@att.net	Date: 9/13/2006
Subject: Question on Flyonel C&O Diesels

Hello everyone: Just a quick question for the group. I acquired a pair of the Flyonel C&O PA diesels. I know this was part of the HAR series that was marketed a few years ago. Was there ever a B unit made as an add on for the pair of PAs ? They look good as an AA pair but would look better as an ABA trio. Regards Bob Moyer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41493	From: Howard Sheffield	Date: 9/13/2006
Subject: Re: Carwash

I don't know about the origins of the car wash in the AF catalog, but for those interested in a car wash, we have one made by Twin Whistle called the "Rub A Dub Carwash". You can check it out on the Twin Whistle web site at www.twinwhistle.com/ I am hoping that we can get the bus station in S soon too. Howard Howard' S Trains On Sep 13, 2006, at 6:40 AM, cliffgarz@... wrote: > I had seen these before offered for sale on a lot of the Flyer > websites I > don't know who makes them but they are nice i have even seen them at > shows. > Doug Peck may know more about their origins > > In a message dated 9/13/06 9:08:36 AM, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > writes: > > > 6. Now he's selling a never-made "AF Car Wash" > >     Posted by: "Phil K" waldootten@... waldootten > >     Date: Tue Sep 12, 2006 3:37 pm (PDT) > > > > This may be one of the ones I think John Heck had made. But it did > not > > come from American Flyer. It is not American Flyer. It was listed in > > one of the catalogs, I believe, but was never produced. If anyone > knows more > > about where this came from, please chime in. > > > > 300025209055 > > > > Phil K  > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41494	From: Phil K	Date: 9/13/2006
Subject: Re: Question on Flyonel C&O Diesels

According to all my AF guides, no. But you're right. They would look good ABA or ABBA. Phil K --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, romoyer@... wrote: > > Hello everyone: > > Just a quick question for the group. I acquired a pair of the Flyonel C&O PA diesels. I know this was part of the HAR series that was marketed a few years ago. Was there ever a B unit made as an add on for the pair of PAs ? They look good as an AA pair but would look better as an ABA trio. > > Regards > > Bob Moyer > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41495	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 9/13/2006
Subject: Re: Question on Flyonel C&O Diesels

Bob, There was never a "B" unit available. Carl -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of romoyer@... Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 4:31 PM To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Question on Flyonel C&O Diesels Hello everyone: Just a quick question for the group. I acquired a pair of the Flyonel C&O PA diesels. I know this was part of the HAR series that was marketed a few years ago. Was there ever a B unit made as an add on for the pair of PAs ? They look good as an AA pair but would look better as an ABA trio. Regards Bob Moyer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41496	From: bobcom52	Date: 9/13/2006
Subject: Flange depth

Can someone inform me of the nominal flange depths of AM and SHS tinplate wheels? I am looking at taking my S gauge outside and finescale wheel profile does not suit my needs. Lionel and Flyer wheelsets are not an issue! Regards Bob Comerford Australia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41497	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 9/13/2006
Subject: Re: Flange depth

Bob, SHS mesures .0620 AM measures .080 to .0620 At least thats what I measured. Carl -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of bobcom52 Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 5:37 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Flange depth Can someone inform me of the nominal flange depths of AM and SHS tinplate wheels? I am looking at taking my S gauge outside and finescale wheel profile does not suit my needs. Lionel and Flyer wheelsets are not an issue! Regards Bob Comerford Australia S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41498	From: Gale Hall	Date: 9/14/2006
Subject: Old Dominion Doubles Toys by DG

Evening List, The 1/64 Old Dominion Doubles with modern logo is now shipping from Toys by DG...this is a beautiful truck, great detail and the $40 price only makes it better. Florida Power and Light Tractor trailer ships Dec 1st and they have some bucket trucks available for various power companies....If you are looking at their site make sure the trucks are 1/64 as there are several 1/24 items in there also....just read very carefully...the website is: www.toysbydg.com....this is a great place to get utility vehicles seldom found otherwise. This is just my opinion and not a commercial for them...but they are excellent to deal with and have great products at reasonable prices. Gale Hall [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41499	From: Bill Lane	Date: 9/14/2006
Subject: Central Jersey S Scalers Get Together

Hi All, We are about 1 week away from the Central Jersey S Scalers Fall Get Together. Hopefully you can attend. http://www.nasg.org/cjss.html I have not missed it once since first attending in 1987. It was like divine intervention made me attend. I knew right then and there my HO days were numbered and you all have been stuck with me ever since..(:->) But don't let that scare you away. Here is a shot of the hall circa 1991. http://mywebpages.comcast.net/billlane/CJSS_1991.jpg I actually got engaged in front of all the attendees at this event in 2001. http://mywebpages.comcast.net/billlane/shesaidyes.jpg The train delivered a special package. I hope you can attend. The event is really on Saturday the 23rd, but early arrivals can come on Friday afternoon for socializing or helping as the layout is getting set up. Layout teardown usually begins at about 11:00 on Sunday morning. You are welcome to arrive early on Sunday morning for a few hours of running trains in a decidedly less crowded hall. I hope to see you there! Contact Mike Anderson androgen@... with any questions you have. Thank You, Bill Lane Modeling the Mighty Pennsy in 1957 in S Scale since 1988 See my finished models at: http://www.lanestrains.com Look at what has been made in PRR in S Scale! Importing a Brass S Scale PRR X29 & G26 http://www.pennsysmodels.com PRR Builders Photos Bought, Sold & Traded (Trading is MUCH preferred) http://mywebpages.comcast.net/billlane/PRRphotos.xls ***Join the PRR T&HS*** The other members are not ALL like me! http://www.prrths.com http://mywebpages.comcast.net/billlane/PRRTHS_Application.pdf See my Altoona train videos here http://www.myspace.com/billlane

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41500	From: James Hannawald	Date: 9/14/2006
Subject: Re: car wash

Check out the following web site http://www.ssstrains.com/GilbertReproductions3.htm I don't know if Tom still has his store open or not, but he does trade on EBay Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: keefer1 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 2:10 PM Subject: [S-Trains] car wash Wasn't it made by the guy that did the repro towers. GILBERT REPRODUCTIONS , I think. Tom from SSS used to sell them. Keith __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41501	From: Gerald Dobbs	Date: 9/14/2006
Subject: Improving PA operation

Using a small 2 prong computer plug. connecting the power unit to the dummy unit. The units creep around the layout, and thru all the turnouts. Jerry 77-11644

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41502	From: Phil K	Date: 9/14/2006
Subject: Re: Improving PA operation

OK, Jerry. This subject mystifies me. What do you connect the plugs to in the powered unit? And if there's no electronics in the dummy unit, where do you connect those plugs? And what would make it go so slowly? Phil K \ --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Gerald Dobbs <grdobbs@...> wrote: > > > Using a small 2 prong computer plug. connecting the power unit to > the dummy unit. The units creep around the layout, > and thru all the turnouts. > > Jerry 77-11644 >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41503	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 9/14/2006
Subject: Re: car wash

Jim, This car wash station is different from the one on eBay. Notice one has a guy with a hose that I am assuming is the on/off switch. Does this mean there were at least two different "reproductions" made? BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "James Hannawald" <jhannawald@...> wrote: > > Check out the following web site > > http://www.ssstrains.com/GilbertReproductions3.htm > > I don't know if Tom still has his store open or not, but he does trade on EBay > > Jim > ----- Original Message ----- > From: keefer1 > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 2:10 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] car wash > > > Wasn't it made by the guy that did the repro towers. > GILBERT REPRODUCTIONS , I think. Tom from SSS used to > sell them. Keith > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41504	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 9/14/2006
Subject: Re: Car Washer

These are the pictures of the American Flyer ??? Car Washer. Does anyone have a clarification on the original prototype? Are any others available today? http://kulpritterpics.homestead.com/AFCARWASH.html Glenn http://kulpritterpics.homestead.com/STONY_CREEK_RR.html [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41505	From: SnSTrains@aol.com	Date: 9/14/2006
Subject: New products update

SnS Trains is proud to announce that we have developed a can motor conversion for the hand cars. It is a permanent conversion however, and irreversible. Really makes them run smooth and sweet.....SLOW too. We are also now selling our third generation can motor for Steam Locos. It is $30 for DC operation and $34 for AC operation. For use with a Dallee electronic reverse unit they are $67. Sorry, but at this time they are available in standard gearing only. (will still run plenty slow) We still have a lot of the "slow" geared motors left, and they remain at $28 for DC and $32 for AC and $65 with Dallee. Steve S-'n-S Trains American Flyer replacement can motors S-Gauge Videos American Flyer repair S and O gauge track cleaners 3239 Pepperwood Dr. Boise, Idaho 83704 208-376-1159 SnStrains@... www.s-scaletrains.com/s-n-s/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41506	From: WEG138@aol.com	Date: 9/15/2006
Subject: Re: A question about a contest

Carl Arendt's internet site "Micro Layouts" shows many small layouts. There are no S gauge layouts (perhaps one). Would enough of the Members of this Group be willing to make small S gauge layouts that could be brought together for a contest. Perhaps they could be judged at a train show like the one being given by the Central Jersey S Scalers in South Amboy N.J. If there are only 2 or 3 in the first contest it will be a start. However the more exhibits there are the better exposure we would have on Mr. Arendt's site, and perhaps at train shows. What do you think? Bill Greaves [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41507	From: N Becker	Date: 9/15/2006
Subject: Re: Car Washer

Thanks for posting my picture. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41508	From: Gerald Dobbs	Date: 9/15/2006
Subject: Wiring PS's

Connect wires in the power unit to main power pick up points. ( front and rear trucks, same place the reversed unit hooks up ) Most dummies have a horn or head lamp. ( connect to front and rear trucks ) " CAUTION " check to make sure that the polarity matches between the units ( connect wheels on each unit on left rail together & and wheels on right rail together. Two "A-A" remember one unit runs backwards. Slow speed, pulse power. put a rectifier in the line between transformer and track. ( using a switch of button ) A motor on pulse power will heat up faster Jerry 77-11644

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41509	From: lember2004	Date: 9/15/2006
Subject: photocopy of M2817 AF Farm Cardstock Instructions

Anyone have a copy of Gilbert American Flyer M2817 Farm Cardstock Kit Instructions? They were the instructions that came with the 1950 Farm Train set and were for assembling the cut-outs for the cardbosrd farm buildings et al. I would love to get a photocopy of those original instructions, and would be pleased to pay copying & mailing costs, plus a thank-you gratuity for your time. [Of course, I would be delighted to buy an original, if aomeone has one to sell]. Thanks. Mark

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41510	From: strain97009	Date: 9/15/2006
Subject: Up-comming All Brass Model Show and Sale

On October 28,2006 there will be an All Brass Model Railroad Show and Sale at the Airport Shilo Inn in Portland, Oregon. The Show hours are 10am to 5pm. There will also be clinics starting at 8:30am to 10am. The admission for everything is $5.00 per person. At this time I'm not sure if any S scale vendors will be present, but I will have some S scale brass on the display table. There will also be a consignment table available for those wishing to sell an item or two. VENDORS, or anyone interested in obtaining a vendors table, please contact me OFF LINE for more information. Also, if any vendors of brass models have a few flyers they would like to put on the information table please contact me. We would like to display as much information as possible about S scale. I will be working security for this show. If you want additional information please contact me. Bob Boring Northwest S Scalers Borore@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41511	From: Keith Blanchard	Date: 9/15/2006
Subject: Pine Canyon Free Shipping Advert

Hi Gang, To make life easier, we at Pine Canyon now offer free shipping within the continental U.S.A. on all retail orders. Happy Day! Keith Blanchard http://www.pinecanyonscalemodels.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41512	From: muphythekid	Date: 9/15/2006
Subject: Cleaning track and wheels

HELP! How can I clean track and wheels? What do I need? I can't find any AF track cleaning fluid, does anyone still make it? Bob

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41513	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 9/15/2006
Subject: Re: Cleaning track and wheels

In a message dated 09/15/2006 8:04:43 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, muphythekid@... writes: HELP! How can I clean track and wheels? What do I need? I can't find any AF track cleaning fluid, does anyone still make it? Bob SnS Trains sells a track cleaning car that really works. The felt pad-cleaning cars do nothing but make your track wet. Here is their URL _www.s-gaugetrains.com/s-n-s_ (http://www.s-gaugetrains.com/s-n-s) Steve [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41514	From: Phil K	Date: 9/16/2006
Subject: Re: Cleaning track and wheels

Shameless self-promotion, Steve. True statement, but totally shameless. LOL ;-) Phil K --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, boss31@... wrote: > > > > In a message dated 09/15/2006 8:04:43 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, > muphythekid@... writes: > > HELP! How can I clean track and wheels? What do I need? I can't > find any AF track cleaning fluid, does anyone still make it? Bob > > > > SnS Trains sells a track cleaning car that really works. The felt > pad-cleaning cars do nothing but make your track wet. > Here is their URL > > _www.s-gaugetrains.com/s-n-s_ (http://www.s-gaugetrains.com/s-n-s) > > Steve > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41515	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 9/16/2006
Subject: Sunday Chat, 9/17/2006, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 41516	From: Phil K	Date: 9/16/2006
Subject: Fall S Fest in Chicago is only seven weeks away!

Time is waning for registering for Fall S Fest, hosted this year by the Chicagoland Association of S Gaugers (CASG). This year's event will be largest-ever gathering of "exclusively S" in the world. We just went to our "Plan B" layout for the exhibit room, which added 19 tables. That's because "Floor Plan A" was sold out. There are less than 10 vendor tables left if you are interested. First come, first served. The exhibit floor alone is larger than three-and-a-half NBA basketball courts. We also are within 10 of our guaranteed number of 175 guest rooms in the adjacent hotel. You have about three weeks to make a reservaton and get the guaranteed rate, but again, first-come, first served. Based on what's come in so far, we are expecting to register about 850-900 for the event. We are also expecting over 4,000 members of the general public to visit the (free admission) layout room, which will be over 5,000 square feet and VERY kid-oriented. This year's theme is: "100 Years of American Flyer." We are offering for purchase both a commemorative boxcar and die-cast truck and trailer, but only to those who register. Fall S Fest is scheduled for Nov. 3-5 in Chicago, at the Tinley Park Convention Center, I-80 and Harlem Ave. There will be over 25,000 square-feet of exhibit/dealer space and layouts. As we said, it is the largest annual gathering of S gauge and 1:64 afficionados in the world, encompassing all of S -- Scale, Standard Gauge, Hi-Rail, Tinplate, American Flyer, and of course, S for the "Narrow-Minded." •Clinics & seminars •Manufacturer reps •Train races •Layout tours •Hospitality parties •Model Contest •Trading Room open to public Fri.-Sat. (admission fee) •Free Train rides (Fri.) •Layout Tours The banquet will be Saturday evening, Nov. 5. Our special guest speaker will be Mr. Carl Luecke, a child actor from the early 1950s. Among his significant roles was that of Prince Chulalngkorn in the original Broadway production of "The King and I" with Yul Brynner. But as you might guess, that's not why he's speaking at Fall S-Fest. Mr. Luecke was in the cast of the most daring marketing campaign in the history of model railroading -- "The Boys Railroad Club." This was a TV program conceived by A.C. Gilbert & Co. to advance the interest and sales of American Flyer S Gauge Trains. Gilbert produced a total of six episodes featuring model and prototype trains, often having a real-life railroad executive or locomotive engineer visit the club, a basement layout room loaded with -- you guessed it -- American Flyer! The shows ran for three years in 50 different markets and were viewed by millions of kids. Copies of the series are available at most Flyer dealers. Mr. Luecke played the part of Corky, and yes, he knew Herky! (Oh Boy! Trains!) Mr Luecke will be auctioning off for his charity at the banquet his personal 1946 American Flyer Hudson set -- which includes cars with plastic frames. The banquet will be limited to 300 persons, first-come, first-served on the tickets. Thanks to Andy Jugle, chairman, for setting up what should be a terrific evening -- and Fall S Fest! More information to follow in the next few weeks. Fall S Fest, now in its 31st year, is the annual extravaganza that rotates between the CASG, Badgerland S Gaugers, State Line S Gaugers, and the American Flyer S Gaugers of the St. Louis Area. The second and final mailing went out today to most of those who attended previous S Fests or on our mailing list. If you did not receive a registration packet within already, you have three choices: visit www.trainweb.org/casg; call Will Holt at 630-969- 1982; or email him at willowassocwill1@... and we'll get you set up. Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41517	From: Roy Inman	Date: 9/17/2006
Subject: Re: Cleaning track and wheels

Phil: link does not work for me, even when I type in the address. Roy Inman From: Phil K <waldootten@...> Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 22:14:41 +0000 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Cleaning track and wheels Shameless self-promotion, Steve. True statement, but totally shameless. LOL ;-) Phil K --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> , boss31@... wrote: > > > > In a message dated 09/15/2006 8:04:43 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, > muphythekid@... writes: > > HELP! How can I clean track and wheels? What do I need? I can't > find any AF track cleaning fluid, does anyone still make it? Bob > > > > SnS Trains sells a track cleaning car that really works. The felt > pad-cleaning cars do nothing but make your track wet. > Here is their URL > > _www.s-gaugetrains.com/s-n-s_ (http://www.s-gaugetrains.com/s-n-s) > > Steve > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41518	From: Roy Inman	Date: 9/17/2006
Subject: FW: [toytrains] Lionel's had no blunders??

Anyone have an idea about this for our friend across the pond? Roy Inman ---------- From: Neil Trump <neil.trump@...> Reply-To: toytrains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 19:04:38 +0100 To: Toytrains <Toytrains@yahoogroups.com> Subject: [toytrains] Lionel's had no blunders?? Lionel has dropped the ball regarding TMCC for its overseas customers. I would very much like to purchase one of the new 'S' gauge steamers with all the sounds but I can't take the risk on doing it. The reason is that the US operates on 60 Hz and we here across the pond operate on 50Hz, and for this reason it is/can be hit and miss as to the operation of all the features. I'm not alone with this problem overseas, many 'O' gauge people over here are in a similar prediciment. I have called, emailed Lionel since they introduced TMCC in Flyer and I get pushed down to a techy that doesn't want to know and all emails NEVER get replied. Not very proffesional, perhaps they should look at the 'mission statement' on their website and see if it should be amended. Regards, Neil Trump England [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41519	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 9/17/2006
Subject: S Micro layout problems

As a builder of a few Micro layouts (three are on Carl Arendt's site) and two Small layouts in S, let me give you a quick overveiw of the problems... First, a "Micro" layout is any layout built within four square feet. That is 2x2 feet, 1x4 feet, etc. Using conventional American Flyer Pikemaster track with 15" radius, you can't get a circle on a 2x2' base. I have been able to run a Putt 4 wheel diesel and two Gilbert cars around 12" radius on Gargraves track, but you'll need to go down to 10" radius to fit the track on a 2x2' board. A 1x4' switching layout would be possible, but you'll be limited to very short locos and cars, and you'll also have to be careful of the length of whatever track switches you use to allow enough tail track length. While none of the above problems make a Micro impossible, it would take alot of thought designing it. Another problem is that most S gauge folks don't seem real interested in tiny layouts, for a variety of reasons. That said, I have not given up on doing an S Micro, I've already displayed a "Mini" (33x54")layout at this year's S Spree. Stumpy Stone...little layout fan in eastern Ohio

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41520	From: lampert5@earthlink.net	Date: 9/17/2006
Subject: How to change Email

I am currently receiving emails from this group and need to change my (email) address. Can someone on the list let me know what I will need to do. This is always such a pain after 8yrs. Thanks Philip

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41521	From: mvandiver2@aol.com	Date: 9/17/2006
Subject: (no subject)

The web address given for finding a S gauge track ing car must not be correct. I keep getting a message which says the web site (cleanhttp://www.s-gaugetrains.com/s-n-s) can not be found. Mike Vandiver [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41522	From: myflyertrains	Date: 9/17/2006
Subject: Finally Got to updating my Website, MyFlyerTrains.org

Hello everyone. I have been working a lot of overtime, but finally got a little time and have updated the front page of my website, MyFlyerTrains.org. I have put together a article I have wanted to do for a long time on Central of Georgia Boxcars. AKA AF 981s etc I hope you enjoy this offering and I invite you to visit soon. Later... Chuck http://www.myflyertrains.org

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41523	From: Phil K	Date: 9/17/2006
Subject: An interesting thread from OGR about a new S convert

http://ogaugerr.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/57660482/m/2611031714

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41524	From: Don	Date: 9/17/2006
Subject: S-N-S

The correct address is; http://s-scaletrains.com/s-n-s/. They did a really good job on two #300 engines I had when I was a kid...50 years ago. I wanted to get them back on "track" and they put new can motors and electronic reverses in them plus replaced a bunch of stuff that was missing. They repainted and decalled also. I just sent them a #307 and a gondola to convert into a track cleaning car. That was just a week ago and I haven't received then back yet. Steve (at s-n-s) took a few days off to go hunting and I'm not in a hurry for my engine.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41525	From: Doug Peck	Date: 9/17/2006
Subject: Re: Boxcar with windows

Oops.....sorry for duplicating Jim Duncan's response. I've been away for 2 weeks, and am just catching up.....I read Jim's response after having posted mine. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: http://www.portlines.com E-mail: doug@... VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41526	From: Doug Peck	Date: 9/17/2006
Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Boxcar with windows

The gray "Toolcar" was not exactly a "homemade" piece. Quite a few of these were made by Walt Danylak many years ago. It was one of many different "repaints" he produced under his S business (G&W Models) as he proceeded to use up the unsold supply of 1981 convention cars that the Syracuse club produced for the 1981 NASG convention. As I recall, they originally produced some 2000 of the 0700 boxcars! MANY later became custom repaints under Walt's efforts. Another popular one that frequently comes up for sale is the "I Love NY" boxcar. Walt did not make too many of the toolcars, however, as they found it very difficult to cut the windows out while leaving the fragile pane separators or moldings intact. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: http://www.portlines.com E-mail: doug@... VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41527	From: Doug Peck	Date: 9/17/2006
Subject: Re: Carwash

I've been away for 2 weeks, so I missed the beginnings of this thread, but here's the scoop.... The Carwash Accessory was patented by AC Gilbert, but was never put into production. At least two prototype models exist, however. Originally, John Heck produced a very small number of the "Gilbert Carwash" accessory, many years ago. I have one of his in my collection, but he made very few. Soon afterward, another individual, Joe Wozniak, produced quite a few of these, handmade, one at a time. Those of you who ever bought one from me were buying Joe's version. The biggest difference between the two is that the workman's brush moves vertically on the Wozniak model as the worker moves back and forth along the platform, but does not move vertically on the Heck model. There were also some variations in the Wozniak units. For example, some had the shack on the right, while some had it on the left. All sold for something over $300 at the time......I don't recall the exact price....it's been many years since these were produced. Triple-S announced these at one time, but I'm unsure if he ever came through with any. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: http://www.portlines.com E-mail: doug@... VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41528	From: faltrain5	Date: 9/18/2006
Subject: Train shows????

Does anybody know of any train show web sites that gives you a heads up on where some are to take place in your area? I know of www.trainshows.com, but is there anymore out there, fellows and ladies. Geoff

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41529	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 9/18/2006
Subject: TMCC

Someone had recently posted that (s)he wanted to go TMCC, but didn't like the $100 entry fee. Just got Amato's aka Hobby Surplus fall 06 catalog, and they have the TMCC handset/base for $69. A little cheaper, and you will love the freedom, added sounds and expansion potential it affords you-John Marganski --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41530	From: Phil K	Date: 9/18/2006
Subject: Re: Train shows????

Go here: http://www.trains.com/trc/community/events/ Phil K > Does anybody know of any train show web sites that gives you a heads up > on where some are to take place in your area? I know of > www.trainshows.com, but is there anymore out there, fellows and ladies. > > Geoff >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41531	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 9/18/2006
Subject: Re: Train shows????

----- Original Message ----- From: faltrain5 Does anybody know of any train show web sites that gives you a heads up . . . . . . . > > > > > > Geoff You don't say where you are. If you're within my travelling area, Mich, Indiana, Ohio; I'll put you on my mailing list. Tom Hawley -- dba Michigan Models -- Lansing Michigan

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41532	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 9/18/2006
Subject: Re: Train shows????

Great Train Shows now owns Greenberg Shows. http://gte.ciadvt.com/ Worlds Greatest Hobby http://www.wghshow.com/ Train Shows at http://www.trainshows.com/ National Train Show http://www.nmra.org/convention/trainshow.html National Association of S Gaugers http://www.NASG.org/ Happy Hunting. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: faltrain5 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 7:15 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Train shows???? Does anybody know of any train show web sites that gives you a heads up on where some are to take place in your area? I know of www.trainshows.com, but is there anymore out there, fellows and ladies. Geoff [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41533	From: Rick Evans	Date: 9/18/2006
Subject: Re: Train shows????

Ahhhhhhh.......no more GATS, eh? Where have I been?? Rick. Great Train Shows now owns Greenberg Shows. http://gte.ciadvt.com/ Worlds Greatest Hobby http://www.wghshow.com/ Train Shows at http://www.trainshows.com/ National Train Show http://www.nmra.org/convention/trainshow.html National Association of S Gaugers http://www.NASG.org/ Happy Hunting. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: faltrain5 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 7:15 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Train shows???? Does anybody know of any train show web sites that gives you a heads up on where some are to take place in your area? I know of www.trainshows.com, but is there anymore out there, fellows and ladies. Geoff [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41534	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 9/18/2006
Subject: Re: Train shows????

Welcome to the site formerly owned by GATS Limited and Hobbies Unlimited. Those 2 companies have gone out of business. In an effort to provide information to the train show community, Competitive Intelligence Advertising has purchased this site. If you're interested in train shows, we recommend the following public shows: a.. Nationwide a.. The Great Train Expo (including former Greenberg Shows) b.. The World's Greatest Hobby on Tour b.. Chicago, IL Area -- The Great Midwest Train Show c.. Milwaukee, WI Area -- Trainfest d.. West Springfield, MA Area -- Amherst Railway Railroad Show If you're interested in general hobby shows, we recommend the following: a.. Chicago, IL Area: iHobbyExpo Competitive Intelligence Advertising is the owner of the Great Train Expo (including former Greenberg Shows) and the Great Midwest Train Show. We are the show management company for the World's Greatest Hobby on Tour. We also have iHobbyExpo as an advertising client. Competitive Intelligence Advertising is solely owned by Dave Swanson and he has been responsible for the Great Midwest Train Show for 35 years. Our website is www.ciadvt.com.The last known address for GATS Limited/Hobbies Unlimited is P.O. Box 498 Kernville, CA. We have no additional information about how to contact GATS Limited/Hobbies Unlimited or their ownership, Moe or John Geoghegan. ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick Evans To: STrains Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 4:18 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Train shows???? Ahhhhhhh.......no more GATS, eh? Where have I been?? Rick. Great Train Shows now owns Greenberg Shows. http://gte.ciadvt.com/ Worlds Greatest Hobby http://www.wghshow.com/ Train Shows at http://www.trainshows.com/ National Train Show http://www.nmra.org/convention/trainshow.html National Association of S Gaugers http://www.NASG.org/ Happy Hunting. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: faltrain5 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 7:15 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Train shows???? Does anybody know of any train show web sites that gives you a heads up on where some are to take place in your area? I know of www.trainshows.com, but is there anymore out there, fellows and ladies. Geoff [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41535	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 9/18/2006
Subject: Re: FAQ the 2-8-0 smoke unit

We had several questions regarding our 2-8-0s production of smoke recently and I would like to share a few observations. First, all smoke fluids are not the same. We tested a bunch and found they seem to be grouped into two types. Those who smoke a lot for a short period of time and those with less smoke output for a much longer time. I think that the lighter petroleum distillates vaporizes at a lower temperature and produce more smoke, but evaporate much quicker. We selected Big Puff smoke fluid for its ability to smoke for longer periods of time. Our greatest fear is smoke units that are allowed to dry out. The smoke unit element needs smoke fluid on the wick or the wick will char. After this, the element can overheat and become damaged. The 2-8-0 boiler is much smaller that the AF engines and has a much smaller smoke unit. Re: DC no sound 2-8-0s - All of our engines have speakers and smoke units. The DC no sound engines have a simple DC shorting plug that controls the direction and lights only. They do not have the electronics needed to detect the location of the piston and cannot activate the chuffs. Best regards, Don

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41536	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 9/18/2006
Subject: Re: Fall S Fest in Chicago is only seven weeks away!

----- Original Message ----- From: Phil K Time is waning for registering for Fall S Fest, . . . . . . . This year's theme is: "100 Years of American Flyer." . . . . . . . . > > > > > > > -------Response----------- Andy Jugle gave a clinic on this subject at the national S gauge convention in Pontiac this past August, and it was super. No matter how well you think you know your history of "tinplate" trains, nobody knows it and can document it like Andy can. I undersdtand he is doing it again at the Fest. I hope I can catch it again if I can get away from my tables. Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41537	From: faltrain5	Date: 9/19/2006
Subject: Reply on train shows.

Thanks for the answers, but now does anybody live in pennsylvania in the west section like pittsburgh and up to Erie? I do and was wondering if anybody could put me on the mailing list for train shows in that area. I won't travel real far like 3 hours away from mercer county, but would go about 2 hours from there. E-mail me back if you live in western PA and in control of those fantastic train shows (they are the best way to buy trains, yeah, even better than e-bay because you see exactly what you are getting.) train shows mailing list. So I can give you my mail address. Geoff Faltot

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41538	From: Roy Inman	Date: 9/19/2006
Subject: Re: S cars on Chas. Ro

Hi all; I presume that the $11.95 S cars on the Charles Ro web site are the K-Line? I don't have a K-Line catalog handy, (lost in the stack) but maybe someone can enlighten me? Roy Inman www.unionstationphotos.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41539	From: Phil K	Date: 9/19/2006
Subject: S Fest banquet is Nov. 4, not Nov. 5

Sorry -- typo. S Fest's Banquet featuring Mr. Carl Luecke, a child actor who starred in "The Boys Railroad Club" will be Saturday November 4. At least I had the Saturday part correct. ;-) Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41540	From: Phil K	Date: 9/19/2006
Subject: Re: S cars on Chas. Ro

OK, Roy, you asked for it: The $11.95 cars on the Charles Ro website have stock numbers prefaced by the letter "K" That means -- you guessed it -- "K-Line." Not a bad deal at that price, either. Must be "Bankruptcy Blowout Time." Phil K ******************************************************************* --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Roy Inman <rinphoto@...> wrote:. > > Hi all; > I presume that the $11.95 S cars on the Charles Ro web site are the K-Line? > I don't have a K-Line catalog handy, (lost in the stack) but maybe someone > can enlighten me? > Roy Inman > www.unionstationphotos.com >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41541	From: Rollain Mercier	Date: 9/19/2006
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Re: S cars on Chas. Ro

and he notes - Yes they are K-Line. The 'K' prefix denotes such. Raleigh in Maine At 06:22 AM 9/19/2006, Roy Inman wrote: >Hi all; >I presume that the $11.95 S cars on the Charles Ro web site are the K-Line? >I don't have a K-Line catalog handy, (lost in the stack) but maybe someone >can enlighten me? >Roy Inman >www.unionstationphotos.com > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41542	From: Clay Kinsner	Date: 9/19/2006
Subject: Re: Train shows????

Dave Swanson is the former owner and foudner of GATS who sold/financed it to the owners who went out of business, the Geoghegans. Clay Kinsner Lone Star Trains & Collectibles San Antonio, TX ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenn Ritter" <gartrain404@...> To: "STrains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; "Rick Evans" <bassflyer@...> Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 3:01 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Train shows???? > Welcome to the site formerly owned by > GATS Limited and Hobbies Unlimited. > Those 2 companies have gone out of > business. In an effort to provide information > to the train show community, Competitive > Intelligence Advertising has purchased this > site. If you're interested in train shows, we > recommend the following public shows: > a.. Nationwide > a.. The Great Train Expo (including former Greenberg Shows) > b.. The World's Greatest Hobby on Tour > b.. Chicago, IL Area -- The Great Midwest Train Show > c.. Milwaukee, WI Area -- Trainfest > d.. West Springfield, MA Area -- Amherst Railway Railroad Show > If you're interested in general hobby shows, we recommend the following: > a.. Chicago, IL Area: iHobbyExpo > Competitive Intelligence Advertising is the > owner of the Great Train Expo (including > former Greenberg Shows) and the Great > Midwest Train Show. We are the show > management company for the World's > Greatest Hobby on Tour. We also have > iHobbyExpo as an advertising client. > Competitive Intelligence Advertising is > solely owned by Dave Swanson and he > has been responsible for the Great > Midwest Train Show for 35 years. Our > website is www.ciadvt.com.The last > known address for GATS Limited/Hobbies > Unlimited is P.O. Box 498 Kernville, CA. > We have no additional information about > how to contact GATS Limited/Hobbies > Unlimited or their ownership, > Moe or John Geoghegan. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Rick Evans > To: STrains > Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 4:18 PM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Train shows???? > > > Ahhhhhhh.......no more GATS, eh? > Where have I been?? > > Rick. > > Great Train Shows now > owns Greenberg Shows. > http://gte.ciadvt.com/ > Worlds Greatest Hobby > http://www.wghshow.com/ > Train Shows at > http://www.trainshows.com/ > National Train Show > http://www.nmra.org/convention/trainshow.html > National Association of S Gaugers > http://www.NASG.org/ > > Happy Hunting. > Glenn > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: faltrain5 > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 7:15 AM > Subject: [S-Trains] Train shows???? > > Does anybody know of any train show web sites that gives you a heads up > on where some are to take place in your area? I know of > www.trainshows.com, but is there anymore out there, fellows and ladies. > > Geoff > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums > Yahoo! Groups Links > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.5/450 - Release Date: 9/18/2006 > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41543	From: Roy Inman	Date: 9/19/2006
Subject: Re: S cars on Chas. Ro

Soon as I learn to read I will be dangerous :>> Thanks to all who responded. Cheers :) Roy Inman From: Phil K <waldootten@...> Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 16:42:11 +0000 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: S cars on Chas. Ro OK, Roy, you asked for it: The $11.95 cars on the Charles Ro website have stock numbers prefaced by the letter "K" That means -- you guessed it -- "K-Line." Not a bad deal at that price, either. Must be "Bankruptcy Blowout Time." Phil K ******************************************************************* --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> , Roy Inman <rinphoto@...> wrote:. > > Hi all; > I presume that the $11.95 S cars on the Charles Ro web site are the K-Line? > I don't have a K-Line catalog handy, (lost in the stack) but maybe someone > can enlighten me? > Roy Inman > www.unionstationphotos.com > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41544	From: Gerald Dobbs	Date: 9/19/2006
Subject: Warning about LIONEL

If you purchase any new item from Lionel, PLEASE take it out of the box and run and test it. If they screw up and leave out the motor or any other major part, ( In my case Rock Island & NYC, bad wheels, with shallow flanges, it won't go around curves, Pony express set, bad wiring) , LIONEL will not take responsibly for their screw up, and fix the problem after the warranty period. They don't even want to hear from you. Don't buy with the idea of setting it on the shelf for display, with out running the item. Lionel is no longer a old Lionel Co. that we grew up with. Plus A.C. would not have believed that his trains would ever be made by Lionel, BUT, now they are all made in China. Jerry Dobbs TCA HR77-11644

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41545	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 9/19/2006
Subject: Re: Reply on train shows.

I get a flyer periodically from the Ft Pitt TCA group about a show held just north of PGH. I'll see if I can find it, but the info is posted on the TCA website. Dick Kuepper Aurora, OH -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of faltrain5 Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 7:18 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Reply on train shows. Thanks for the answers, but now does anybody live in pennsylvania in the west section like pittsburgh and up to Erie? I do and was wondering if anybody could put me on the mailing list for train shows in that area. I won't travel real far like 3 hours away from mercer county, but would go about 2 hours from there. E-mail me back if you live in western PA and in control of those fantastic train shows (they are the best way to buy trains, yeah, even better than e-bay because you see exactly what you are getting.) train shows mailing list. So I can give you my mail address. Geoff Faltot [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41546	From: John Foley	Date: 9/19/2006
Subject: S Street Lights

Need some S street lights. Click Here http://www.modelstreetlighting.com/index.html John [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41547	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 9/19/2006
Subject: train shows in PA

Geoff - Try this. http://www.parisiconsulting.com/wrmrrc/shows.htm Dick Kuepper Aurora, OH [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41548	From: daysend40	Date: 9/19/2006
Subject: Sound Unit

Hello I recall seeing in a magazine a DCC sound unit for water towers. Now I can not figure what magazine or catalog it was in. Hass anyone out there come across this item? Thank you Joe Wagner trainmaster1940@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41549	From: RCESpeak	Date: 9/19/2006
Subject: Post of Updated Photos

Hi Y'all, Well, I finally did it after promising for months. The updated photos of my layout are posted in my album at: http://s-scale.org/albums/v/friends/Barb/Final+FL+Photos/ As always, your comments and input are welcome. I get such wonderful suggestions from this list and have implemented many. Enjoy... Barb

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41550	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 9/19/2006
Subject: train shows in PA

Leesport Famers Market, Sunday Oct 1, sponsored by Reading Co Tech & Hist Society (RCTHS) doors open 9 AM, admission charged, tables contact _Dalem1955@..._ (mailto:Dalem1955@...) St Philip's R C Church, Millersville, PA, Saturday Nov 4th, KEYSTONE TCA sponsored event, doors open 9AM TCA members, 10 AM public, admission charged. Kids under 18 FREE, Family rate also, SANTA will be there. Pics available with SANTA, contact _TRAINS@..._ (mailto:TRAINS@...) for more info. Allentown Fairgrounds, SAT & SUN Nov 11 & 12, Allentown Train Meet Associates, Open 9 AM, admission charged. Contact _www.Allentowntrainmeet.com_ (http://www.Allentowntrainmeet.com) Gilbertsville Train Meet, Sunday Dec 3rd, open 9 AM, admission charged. Jim "there's gotta be more" Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41551	From: Alan and Sherry Bennett	Date: 9/19/2006
Subject: Re: Post of Updated Photos

Well done, Barb. The layout and the pictures turned out great. Alan Bennett Keizer, OR. ----- Original Message ----- From: "RCESpeak" <rcespeak@...> To: "S-Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 7:31 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Post of Updated Photos > Hi Y'all, > > Well, I finally did it after promising for months. The updated photos > of my layout are posted in my album at: > > http://s-scale.org/albums/v/friends/Barb/Final+FL+Photos/ > > As always, your comments and input are welcome. I get such wonderful > suggestions from this list and have implemented many. > > Enjoy... Barb >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41552	From: Mark Preman	Date: 9/20/2006
Subject: Last Days of the 20% Off Sale

Only a week and a half to go! 20% off anything on the website for S-Trains members through September 30. Don't forget to tell me you are from S-Trains so you get the discount. Mark Mark B. Preman AmericanFlyerTrains.com --------------------------------- All-new Yahoo! Mail - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41553	From: Al Baker	Date: 9/20/2006
Subject: American Models Pass. Car Quality

I have two American Models passenger cars, both Southern RR: the REA baggage car (no #) and the Post Office car #42. These are hi-rail heavey-weight versions. I purchased these from eBay several months ago and never have been satisfied with them. Visually, the cars are in very good condition and pleasing. First, the trucks seem to be set in too far, causing the ends of the cars to stick out quite far when rounding a curve. At least compared to normal Gilbert AF heavyweight coaches, it just looks poor, very poor. Second, and worse, is the quality of the trucks are very poor IMHO. The sides of the trucks while they look quite good, are flimsey and of apparently cheap plastic. Wheelsets can easily be knocked out of place. The whole truck seems to be very flimsey & cheaply made. Additionally, the cars do not stay on the track well at all - very frequent derailings. Lastly, the couplers are very poor and cheap, with frequent decouplings. These are the only American Models equipment that I own, and based upon this experience, I have NO intention to ever buy another piece of AM stuff. Is my experience typical for AM products? Are their products the real low-end of product quality? Thanks in advance for your opinions. Al Baker Portland, OR

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41554	From: RCESpeak	Date: 9/20/2006
Subject: York

Hi All, Since I have posted my updated photos, I have received many comments and questions regarding my attendance at York in October. As stated in the comments on the first photo of the update, I will be dismantling my layout and moving it with me out of Florida this fall. This is a huge undertaking for me and one I won't accomplish in a weekend. Because of the timing of this move, I will not be attending York next month. I will miss you all and look forward to seeing you again in April. I have sent all the dinner arrangement info to Bob Conner who may make similar arrangements or delegate the task to one of you who volunteers to help. Have a wonderful time and I'll look forward to all the trip reports .... Barb

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41555	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 9/20/2006
Subject: Re: American Models Pass. Car Quality

----- Original Message ----- From: Al Baker I have two American Models passenger cars, . . . . . . hi-rail heavey-weight versions. . . . . . . . . .the cars do not stay on the track well . . . . . . . . . . > > > > > > > > > --------Response----------- Cars of the first production run were found to have this problem occasionally, and it was greatly ameliorated by the addition of weight. American Models heavy wieght passenger cars now come with a steel cylindrical-shape piece of steel that press-fits in on the underside. If your cars don't have those weights, you should be able to get them from American Models. Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41556	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 9/20/2006
Subject: Re: American Models Pass. Car Quality

Hi Al, Mike down here in Medford. Have you seen the Budd cars? II now whish I had not sold mine. Anyone know if they are still being made? Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41557	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 9/20/2006
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} New trend?.....

In a message dated 9/20/2006 3:03:46 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, laming@... writes: seems to me that if the hobbiest wants to run a largish model railroad (in S ) with a specific prototype in mind, and wants to use a goodly variety in motive power and large variety in rolling stock, Along Andre's line, HOW MANY Pennsy, PRR, "Standard Railroad of the WORLD" modelers do we have on these lists. IF you let me know off-list (PLEASE), it will give me cause/reason to pursue further Pennsy efforts. There are conversations all the time between several of us with the interest in producing more PRR IF the interest (sales) exist. Labors of love set a sparse table, ya know. I have at least 4 yrs tied up in getting ONE Reading RR locomotive done, obviously not my life's work, but, it takes loads of time, by fits and starts. Jim "livin'g on the Pennsy Main" Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41558	From: Roy Inman	Date: 9/20/2006
Subject: Re: American Models Pass. Car Quality

Mike, I bought a set of UP Budd cars about six months ago. I think they may have some additional road names in stock. Roy Inman From: anormal1@... Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 16:32:49 -0400 (EDT) To: albaker33@..., S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] American Models Pass. Car Quality Hi Al, Mike down here in Medford. Have you seen the Budd cars? II now whish I had not sold mine. Anyone know if they are still being made? Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41559	From: Roy Inman	Date: 9/20/2006
Subject: Re: American Models Pass. Car Quality

Al, As someone else pointed out, the earlier version of these cars was too light. AM later added a slab of lead to the bottom of the cars, helping them to stay on the tracks. The new Budd cars, however, are excellent IMHO. I have a set of AM UP Budd cars. The trucks are metal, workable sprung units that look very realistic indeed. The paint and detailing for a car in that price range is very good. Roy Inman From: Al Baker <albaker33@...> Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 18:18:59 +0000 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] American Models Pass. Car Quality These are the only American Models equipment that I own, and based upon this experience, I have NO intention to ever buy another piece of AM stuff. Is my experience typical for AM products? Are their products the real low-end of product quality? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41560	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 9/20/2006
Subject: Re: BUDD CARS & BILL PARR

Anyone have Bill Parr's contact info? Mike PS: He was the one that sold me my set of Budd cars [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41561	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 9/20/2006
Subject: Budd Passenger Cars

----- Original Message ----- From: anormal1@... . . . . Have you seen the Budd cars? . . . . Anyone know if they are still being made? > > > > > > > ---------Response---------- An interesting question since I just a few minutes ago was price-marking a few of them, getting ready for the Sunday train show at the Lucas county fairgrounds, Maumee (Toledo suburb) Ohio. Yes, they are still made. See http://www.americanmodels.com/rolling.stock/budd.html Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41562	From: Roy Inman	Date: 9/20/2006
Subject: Re: Post of Updated Photos

First off Barb, congratulations on a stunning layout!! It is a prodigious effort. -You have done much of what I hope to do when I (finally) get round to doing a layout: combine traditional Flyer trains, track and accessories with scale stuff; I too like both in a layout. -That roundhouse is a real showpiece! From a kit or scratch? -How about the roadbed for the Gilbert track: what is that made from? -Is that a Plasticville coaling tower? -Is the trestle bridge scratch or from a kit? Thanks much for posting the photos. Helps make me inspired to start on my own layout, soon as the basement gets cleaned out... Cheers :) Roy Inman www.unionstationphotos.com From: RCESpeak <rcespeak@...> Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 22:31:22 -0400 To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Subject: [S-Trains] Post of Updated Photos Hi Y'all, Well, I finally did it after promising for months. The updated photos of my layout are posted in my album at: http://s-scale.org/albums/v/friends/Barb/Final+FL+Photos/ As always, your comments and input are welcome. I get such wonderful suggestions from this list and have implemented many. Enjoy... Barb [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41563	From: Alex	Date: 9/20/2006
Subject: Re: American Models Pass. Car Quality

I found the same thing Al. I sent 'em back. Pure junk, especially compared to the wonderfully rugged "toys" AC Gilbert once sold. Alex in Kennebunk, Maine .-.-. http://users.adelphia.net/~alexmm/ai2q.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: Al Baker To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 2:18 PM Subject: [S-Trains] American Models Pass. Car Quality I have two American Models passenger cars, both Southern RR: the REA baggage car (no #) and the Post Office car #42. These are hi-rail heavey-weight versions. I purchased these from eBay several months ago and snip..snip S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41564	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 9/20/2006
Subject: Pass Cars for Southern Railway Flyonel Mikado (4501) & SHS Consolid

I just received my SHS Consolidation decorated for Southern Railway #722 in its excursion paint scheme of the 1970's and later. It is absolutely magnificent. I also have the Flyonel Mikado painted for Southern's 4501and in the excursion paint scheme. Its also very nice. . . . . . . . . . . . Those of you who operate either of these locos in paint schemes other than Southern will probably want to put freight cars behind them. But those of us with either of these locomotives painted for Southern Railway need passenger cars to operate like the prototype. This email is addressed to those operators. . . . . . . . . . . . I am curious about you are putting behind these locos and would appreciate your email responses on-group of off-group. . . . . . . . . . . . Let me share that I intend to use the Southern Railway heavyweight coaches and baggage car decorated in the Pullman olive-green paint scheme (not the Crescent Limited scheme) that were offered by AM/SHS in the early 1990's. I have modified these coaches by substituting 6 wheel trucks. (They look funny with the 4 wheel trucks on a Southern heavyweight). I may also mix in a couple of AM Budd coaches to represent the stainless steel cars that Southern added to the excursion consist after operation of the Southern Crescent was taken over by Amtrak. . . . . . . . . . . . Thanks for your Feedback - Earl Henry, Nashville, TN [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41565	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 9/20/2006
Subject: Re: AM Pass. Car Quality / S GAUGE's MOST SUCCESSFUL PROJECT !

In a message dated 9/20/2006 6:42:09 PM Central Standard Time, alexmm@... writes: I found the same thing Al. I sent 'em back. Pure junk, especially compared to the wonderfully rugged "toys" AC Gilbert once sold. Hardly junk although I understand why you might have reacted that way. The sideframes on the trucks unfortunately would usually pop out during shipping. But they easily (like in 10 seconds) popped right back in place when one understood the way they worked. This was unfortunate and did result in a lot of sets being returned because the recipient thought they were broken. . . . . . . . And they were very light but immediately SHS offered the weights for about $1 each and this pretty well solved that problem. . . . . . . . But despite these problems, this project may have been the MOST SUCCESSFUL MARKETING PROJECT IN S GAUGE HISTORY! . . . American Flyer fans came out of the woodwork when they were offered in a large number of different road names, including some really colorful ones. The cars were beautifully done and were the closest to scale of any plastic heavyweight cars made in S gauge. I too loved the American Flyer heavyweights but the new AM/SHS cars were much superior. The trucks which some thought were broken were about the smoothest operating things we had ever seen on an S gauge passenger car, and they made it possible to quickly and easily switch from scale to highrail wheels, or vice-versa. Finally we could pull really long passenger trains with even the small locomotives. The six wheel trucks on the baggage, RPO, and Pullmans look beautiful. . . . . . . . Let me again thank Don Thompson for guiding this project ! And Ron Bashista for manufacturing the cars ! - Earl Henry, Nashville, TN [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41566	From: Ed Eckert	Date: 9/20/2006
Subject: Ringling Bros Circus Train in San Jose, 2006

Just posted some pictures i took of the performers living quarters while parked in Milpitas Ca for the San Jose performances. http://s-scale.org/albums/v/friends/ironhorse/Ringling/ Ed Eckert

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41567	From: Roy Inman	Date: 9/20/2006
Subject: Re: BUDD CARS & BILL PARR

205 Golf Club Drive Langhorne, PA 19047 215-757-1034 No web site. Roy Inman From: anormal1@... Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 18:23:29 -0400 (EDT) To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] RE: BUDD CARS & BILL PARR Anyone have Bill Parr's contact info? Mike PS: He was the one that sold me my set of Budd cars [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41568	From: Al Baker	Date: 9/20/2006
Subject: American Models Pass. Car Quality

Thanks to the many who have replied. BTW, my cars do have the weight mentioned by several people, yet they still perform poorly. Al Original posting: I have two American Models passenger cars, both Southern RR: the REA baggage car (no #) and the Post Office car #42. These are hi-rail heavey-weight versions. I purchased these from eBay several months ago and never have been satisfied with them. Visually, the cars are in very good condition and pleasing. First, the trucks seem to be set in too far, causing the ends of the cars to stick out quite far when rounding a curve. At least compared to normal Gilbert AF heavyweight coaches, it just looks poor, very poor. Second, and worse, is the quality of the trucks are very poor IMHO. The sides of the trucks while they look quite good, are flimsey and of apparently cheap plastic. Wheelsets can easily be knocked out of place. The whole truck seems to be very flimsey & cheaply made. Additionally, the cars do not stay on the track well at all - very frequent derailings. Lastly, the couplers are very poor and cheap, with frequent decouplings. These are the only American Models equipment that I own, and based upon this experience, I have NO intention to ever buy another piece of AM stuff. Is my experience typical for AM products? Are their products the real low-end of product quality? Thanks in advance for your opinions. Al Baker Portland, OR

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41569	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 9/20/2006
Subject: Re: AM Pass. Car Quality / S GAUGE's MOST SUCCESSFUL PROJECT !

We've had a variety of opinions on the value of AM's heavy-weight passenger cars, from "pure junk" to "much superior [to AF]." It might be instructive if the evaluators would state what kind of track they're running on. My experience with these cars is very satisfactory, but I've only seen them run on broad-radius curves, our club's scale layout and a friend's Gargraves-track layout. I suspect the sharper the curves, the more problems. Tom Hawley [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41570	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 9/20/2006
Subject: Re: American Models Pass. Car Quality

Hi Al, The suggestions for helping poor traking AM cars are right on. Also see the AM website for hints on making the couplers slide to the side better. That will keep the trucks from straining to stay on the track making the tight Flyer curves (especially the six wheel versions). If the cars uncouple, check the height of the uncoupling tab on the bottom. If it hangs too low, just bend the arm highter to clear any obstacle that makes them uncouple. The side frames on the trucks are made of Delrin plastic which is flexible and allows the tapered wheel axles to roll much more freely than the Gilbert ones. Fixing them is easy, just snap them back together. You can also bend the plastic side frames to narrow the tread to keep the wheels in better. Granted, the AM cars aren't as rugged as the Gilbert ones, but the trade off is worth it. When I was a kid, it was great fun staging train wrecks. Now we know better. My Gilbert cars sit on the shelves deserving a good retirement. Once in a while, they come out of retirement for an excursion run, but that's it. BTW, I use white lithium to lubricate the axles of my Gilbert cars. It makes them much easier rolling. The AM Budds are outstanding examples of modern S equipment. I have a number of them, and absolutely love 'em. Oh, also, their freight cars roll so nicely, you can blow them down the track. If you would like photos of my AM cars, contact me off list. Or see the SMSG website <smsgtrains"dot"org> for photos of my layout. I run Gilbert, Flonel and AM and SHS equipment. Have fun with 'em all! Jerry Poniatowski EX Registrar, 2006 NASG National Convention --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Al Baker" <albaker33@...> wrote: > Are their > products the real low-end of product quality? > > Al Baker > Portland, OR >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41571	From: Roy Inman	Date: 9/20/2006
Subject: Re: AM Pass. Car Quality / S GAUGE's MOST SUCCESSFUL PROJECT !

Sharper curves sure do make a difference, as does the condition of the track and the roadbed. Ron says on the AM web site that most of the equipment will run on Flyer radius track, but that for greater reliability use AM track, or words to that effect. I have never had any operational problems using AM track with AF, SHS, AM, Flyonel equipment. Roy Inman From: Tom Hawley <t.hawley@...> Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 21:37:35 -0400 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AM Pass. Car Quality / S GAUGE's MOST SUCCESSFUL PROJECT ! We've had a variety of opinions on the value of AM's heavy-weight passenger cars, from "pure junk" to "much superior [to AF]." It might be instructive if the evaluators would state what kind of track they're running on. My experience with these cars is very satisfactory, but I've only seen them run on broad-radius curves, our club's scale layout and a friend's Gargraves-track layout. I suspect the sharper the curves, the more problems. Tom Hawley [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41572	From: Al Baker	Date: 9/21/2006
Subject: American Models Pass. Car Quality

Again thanks to the many of you that have responded. As I said previously, these cars do have the weights that some have mentioned. And, yes I am using original Gilbert track which I understand presents a challenge to these cars. Some day I do hope to have better track which will help, in the mean time I will consider selling them and just use my collection of Gilbert heavy-weights. Thanks again to everyone. Al Baker

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41573	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 9/21/2006
Subject: Re;American Models pass. car quality

About a year ago I bought some AM heavyweight undec. coaches. They had the four wheel trucks with scale wheels and couplers. I e-mailed AM and arranged to trade them back for hi-rail wheels and couplers, which was done with no problem. Since I was using Gilbert track at the time, I did as the "hints" said and filed clearance in the sides of the coupler shanks which worked fine without adding weights. I have since started using S Helper's sectional and flex track and switches and the cars work fine on them too. The freight cars and cabooses work fine on any track with no modification. Stumpy Stone..a satisfied customer in Appalachia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41574	From: Charles E. Smith	Date: 9/21/2006
Subject: Re: American Models Pass. Car Quality

Don't give up too quickly on the short AM heavyweights. Mine are some of the first ones from SHS and run fine on Flyer track for me after some simple mods. I found the centersill interfered a bit on one of them and a little judicious trimming fixed that. The talgo mounted Flyer style couplers are large and can interfere with the floors. I ended up converting to talgo mounted kadees, using no draft boxes. These couplers were mounted on thin brass strips that attached at the truck centers. The brass was bent to get the correct coupler height. They were set up to couple closely One large knuckle was left on the front of the baggage car to couple with a head end car or loco. I also trimmed the brass width with a file to allow the coupler to have a little extra swing. This is described on the AM website under troubleshooting. This means the couplers often need a hand assist to center when coupling. However, I tend to keep my passenger trains running as a unit and back them in and out of a terminal. Remember to check axle ends for popping out of the hole after any derailments and you're good to go. Mine will run for hours without problems. They are even more trouble free running on AM flex track on our club modular layout. BTW, the full length Pullmans are not designed to run on Flyer track so I only run an observation, coach and baggage. Only the baggage has 6 wheel trucks. An express reefer rides at the front. The loop they travel is about half Flyer/Gargraves and half 3 foot radius AM flex. Chuck Smith, http://www.trainweb.org/chucksmith On matters of style swim with the current. On matters of substance stand like a rock. Thos. Jefferson (may be paraphrased) ----- Original Message ----- From: Al Baker To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 2:07 AM Subject: [S-Trains] American Models Pass. Car Quality Again thanks to the many of you that have responded. As I said previously, these cars do have the weights that some have mentioned. And, yes I am using original Gilbert track which I understand presents a challenge to these cars. Some day I do hope to have better track which will help, in the mean time I will consider selling them and just use my collection of Gilbert heavy-weights. Thanks again to everyone. Al Baker [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41575	From: Rhett T. George	Date: 9/21/2006
Subject: Goodbye

- GreetingS - Gals and guys, I have had a great time reading your questions and comments over some years, now. From time to time I hope I have submitted an idea or an explanation that has been useful. I have gotten to know a few of you personally. It was a pleasure meeting folks at the NASG Conmvention in Altoona last year and that includes some of you. Yes, I am staying in S gauge and in NASG. Hope to see you in Baltimore next year. Hope to see you at various shows of the Atlantic Coast S Gaugers. Hope you will let me know if you are going to be in the Durham, NC, area. I'd like to say `Howdy'. Why leave? My Linux computer system does not deal well with HTML. In fact, it does not give me anything that is readable. That HTML uses 5 to 10 times the number of bytes used by plain text is not a problem here at the office since ethernet and other parts of the system run at amazing speeds. The difficulty is that I now cannot read the Digest. I'll try to stay in touch thru short articles to the Dispatch and hope that it continues to be printed in good English. If any of you know of another S gauge computer venue operating in plain text, I shall be very appreciative of your letting me know about it. CheerS, Rhett "ammeter" George

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41576	From: Phil K	Date: 9/21/2006
Subject: Re: American Models Pass. Car Quality

Since it seems everyone is weighing in on this ... I run American Models track. I have four sets of their heavyweight passenger cars and three sets of AM Budd cars. The only problem I have had was with some of heavyweight cars uncoupling over turnouts because of low-hanging coupler lock-pins. This was easily fixed, thanks to the "Troubleshooting" advice provided on the AM website. Otherwise, I am generally pleased with the overall quality of just about everything I have purchased from them. Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41577	From: THOMAS E HILLERY	Date: 9/21/2006
Subject: Fw: Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 3181

Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 3181 Re: American Models Heavyweights The trucks are poor and need to be replaced. These cars need perfect track work and I run mine on my S-trak not AF track but the uncoupler bar hits the switch diverting track piece and uncouples. so I am going to dummy couplers. Worth a $30 plus Ebay price. The Budd cars are excellent--Tom Hillery

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41578	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 9/21/2006
Subject: Re: American Models Pass. Car Quality

I am another guy with big problems from AM passenger cars: i have the early 90's B7O Heavyweight set-bought it for a Royal Blue shell I mounted on a 21085 (I think) chassis. First off, I was faced with wheel sets that were popped out of the trucks during pack/ship. After replacing them, I ran the set and had 'em pop out all over again. Since I was putting in LED lighting, I decided to rework everything. The couplers weren't really that bad, so I let 'm be. I added split shot into the "boxes" in the floorboards-filled 'em right up, then secured them with a liberal blob of gel-type super glue. A little fiddling showed that having down (track-wise) thrust on the wheelsets deterred derailing and disintegration, I made my pickup contacts out of .025 stainless shimstock. Rather than anneal the shim by heating-they'd loose the spring action I felt they needed-I carefully drilled them to accommodate AM's truck screws. I used amber LEDs from Radio Shack for illumination, and Xeroxes of Gilbert Streamliner people in the windows. Reassembled, they run much better than originally. However, I deem this to be an excessive amount of work for a new product. I've never had to do anything even close to this with Flyonel-in fact, the only fault I have ever had with Flyonel was the MP Eagle's add-on B unit having a bad RS board. This experience with AM soured me to their product. I was going to get their Pacific-til the realization that the plastic shell would be very prone to detail breakage (I am a firm believer in die-cast) and fears that there'd be similar problems to the passenger set, I just wasn't in the mood to pony up the $ for something I was sure would be getting non-warranty rework. MTH also gave me a bad aftertaste in the 0ther gage(s) (standard and 0) over quality problems, and they're on my "no fly" list, too. I pay good money for my hobby wants and don't feel that a product that needs to be reworked right out of the box is anything for me. Don't read this as a ringing endorsement for Flyonel-I have big problems with what they do and offer, too-but not as severe as with AM (and MTH)-John Marganski --------------------------------- Stay in the know. Pulse on the new Yahoo.com. Check it out. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41579	From: detmer@charter.net	Date: 9/21/2006
Subject: Re: American Models Pass. Car Quality

Hi everyone, I am a relative newcomer to this group and have been watching the discussion. It caught my attention and I finally can't resist adding my two cents worth. I bought an entire consist of the Milwaukee Road heavyweight cars by SHS that Charles has mentioned. They have high rail trucks and run fine on Flyer track with the modification that I have substituted K-line curved track with a larger radius on the curves. They work great in this set up. I think I would have trouble with smaller radius Flyer track. So if anyone wants to use Flyer track, I recommend substituting the larger radius curved track from K-line if you can find it. If I was getting new track, I would get SHS, AM or Gargraves track. I really like the cars and recommend them to anyone who wants nice heavy weight cars. Tom "Charles E. Smith" <cesmith@...> wrote: > Don't give up too quickly on the short AM heavyweights. Mine are some of the first ones from SHS and run fine on Flyer track for me after some simple mods. I found the centersill interfered a bit on one of them and a little judicious trimming fixed that. The talgo mounted Flyer style couplers are large and can interfere with the floors. I ended up converting to talgo mounted kadees, using no draft boxes. These couplers were mounted on thin brass strips that attached at the truck centers. The brass was bent to get the correct coupler height. They were set up to couple closely One large knuckle was left on the front of the baggage car to couple with a head end car or loco. I also trimmed the brass width with a file to allow the coupler to have a little extra swing. This is described on the AM website under troubleshooting. This means the couplers often need a hand assist to center when coupling. However, I tend to keep my passenger trains running as a unit and bac! k ! > them in and out of a terminal. Remember to check axle ends for popping out of the hole after any derailments and you're good to go. Mine will run for hours without problems. They are even more trouble free running on AM flex track on our club modular layout. > > BTW, the full length Pullmans are not designed to run on Flyer track so I only run an observation, coach and baggage. Only the baggage has 6 wheel trucks. An express reefer rides at the front. The loop they travel is about half Flyer/Gargraves and half 3 foot radius AM flex. > > Chuck Smith, http://www.trainweb.org/chucksmith > On matters of style swim with the current. > On matters of substance stand like a rock. > Thos. Jefferson (may be paraphrased) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Al Baker > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 2:07 AM > Subject: [S-Trains] American Models Pass. Car Quality > > > Again thanks to the many of you that have responded. > > As I said previously, these cars do have the weights that some have > mentioned. And, yes I am using original Gilbert track which I > understand presents a challenge to these cars. Some day I do hope to > have better track which will help, in the mean time I will consider > selling them and just use my collection of Gilbert heavy-weights. > > Thanks again to everyone. > Al Baker > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41580	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 9/21/2006
Subject: Re: Ringling Bros Circus Train in San Jose, 2006

Hi Ed, Thank you for posting these modern pictures of an old circus. They sure lack the romance of an American Flyer Circus train set. I still remember the train wreck in the movie from the 1950s with Betty Hutton. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: Ed Eckert To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 8:59 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Ringling Bros Circus Train in San Jose, 2006 Just posted some pictures i took of the performers living quarters while parked in Milpitas Ca for the San Jose performances. http://s-scale.org/albums/v/friends/ironhorse/Ringling/ Ed Eckert [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41581	From: Roy Inman	Date: 9/21/2006
Subject: Re: Goodbye

Rhett, I thought that one had a choice as to how to receive emails on Yahoo, but I assume you have checked all that out? Roy Inman From: "Rhett T. George" <rtg@...> Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 11:57:17 -0400 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Goodbye - GreetingS - Gals and guys, I have had a great time reading your questions and comments over some years, now. From time to time I hope I have submitted an idea or an explanation that has been useful. I have gotten to know a few of you personally. It was a pleasure meeting folks at the NASG Conmvention in Altoona last year and that includes some of you. Yes, I am staying in S gauge and in NASG. Hope to see you in Baltimore next year. Hope to see you at various shows of the Atlantic Coast S Gaugers. Hope you will let me know if you are going to be in the Durham, NC, area. I'd like to say `Howdy'. Why leave? My Linux computer system does not deal well with HTML. In fact, it does not give me anything that is readable. That HTML uses 5 to 10 times the number of bytes used by plain text is not a problem here at the office since ethernet and other parts of the system run at amazing speeds. The difficulty is that I now cannot read the Digest. I'll try to stay in touch thru short articles to the Dispatch and hope that it continues to be printed in good English. If any of you know of another S gauge computer venue operating in plain text, I shall be very appreciative of your letting me know about it. CheerS, Rhett "ammeter" George [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41582	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 9/21/2006
Subject: Re: American Models Pass. Car Quality

I just came up from the train room having finished running a complete set of AM lightweight passenger cars on AM 24" radius track. I did add weights, adjusted a few couplers and used lithium grease as others have noted. I'm pleased to say, however, that they run fine. And they are more finicky than their heavyweight cousins! I'd recommend both. I'm most pleased with AM products. Paul Schilling [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41583	From: muniman18	Date: 9/21/2006
Subject: am heaveyweights

It seems to me that we are all spending a heck of a lot of our good earned $$$$ for something that doesn't work right I'mreading that all had problems with this or that etc etc... Doesn't the manufacturer test the product before it goes to the public. Or is it just get it out there "they will buy it" I still run my 650 series heavies with the long trucks no problem.. I guess the phrase planned obsolesence applies to trains also. oh well ...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41584	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 9/22/2006
Subject: American Flyer No.28A Track Ballast NOS WOW!!

Am I missing something here, check out this price for a bag of ballast. _eBay: American Flyer No.28A Track Ballast NOS (item 190031484559 end time Sep-21-06 13:37:32 PDT)_ (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=480&item=190031484559) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41585	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 9/22/2006
Subject: First MagLev Train Wreck

Go to: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060922/ap_on_re_eu/germany_train_accident Joe Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613*9 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock; More than 1,300 part lines American Models ##### S-Helper Service ###### K-Line S Gauge joestrainrepair@... Master Card/Visa

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41586	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 9/22/2006
Subject: Re: American Flyer OTHER EXTREME

The roof is worth more than that. Weird prices. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41587	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 9/22/2006
Subject: Re: American Flyer OTHER EXTREME

LETS GO TO THE OTHER EXTREME........ 300026824898 FOR A LOG LOADER BOB ----- Original Message ----- From: HOwingsiii@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 8:10 AM Subject: [S-Trains] American Flyer No.28A Track Ballast NOS WOW!! Am I missing something here, check out this price for a bag of ballast. _eBay: American Flyer No.28A Track Ballast NOS (item 190031484559 end time Sep-21-06 13:37:32 PDT)_ (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=480&item=190031484559) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41588	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 9/22/2006
Subject: AM heavyweights

Hello, I've been running the AM heavyweights on my Xmas floor layout for years (could it really be ten?) with out any modifications or trouble. The layout has Flyer curved track and Flyer switches. On the more permanent layout, I've been using AM flex and #4 turnouts. The 6 wheeled trucks of the baggage had trouble with the #4s, however, that was a guard rail problem, not the car. Other than the turnouts, I've had no problems with them. If you really want to get rid of yours, please send them here. ;>) The full length streamline passenger cars have similarly designed trucks and I have found that once they are together they are like the Energizer Bunny-they just keep running. Budd cars-flawless. Other than the #4 turnouts, I can't think of an AM product I've ever had trouble with. As for SHS, they are absolutely top drawer, never a problem. Hope you can get yours turned up, Tom Stoltz Tom's Turnouts & Trackwork Maine S Gaugers NASG http://s-scale.org/albums/v/s-vendors/Stoltz/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41589	From: Keith Blanchard	Date: 9/22/2006
Subject: Parts Going ByBy, Pine Canyon Advert

Hi Gang, This is just a quick note to let you know that Free shipping at Pine Canyon ends the end of the day Sept 30. At the same time, we will remove most S and HO parts from our site. The kits will continue, but the individual parts will be gone. This is part of our latest re- organization. Cheers, Keith Blanchard http://www.pinecanyonscalemodels.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41590	From: THOMAS E HILLERY	Date: 9/22/2006
Subject: Magnetic Train Crashes in Germany, Killing 25 - AOL News

INTERESTING TRAIN STUFF....MAKES YOU FEEL BETTER ABOUT AM HEAVYWEIGHTS http://articles.news.aol.com/news/_a/magnetic-train-crashes-in-germany/20 060922094609990011?cid=842

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41591	From: reynoldsjmus	Date: 9/22/2006
Subject: Am Models Pass. Cars

there have been many incisive posts about these cars, esp. the ones about how so many Am Flyer folks came out to support the Ron/Don effort on hvywts almost 20 years ago. IMHO, this was a defining moment in the transition that many of us who could not even get a wheelset in the early 1970's felt when these models came out. as a perfect example, a noted HO modeler of the norfolk and western whose layout has 35 scale miles of gorgeous track said to me this very day when he coupled the Am Models pullmans to the SHS f7 on my small layout, 'these are great looking cars that roll beautifully'... 'nuf said.... bless Ron/Don for what they have done for us... dale reynolds, pendleton SC

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41592	From: trzp1800	Date: 9/23/2006
Subject: Measuring Scale

Hi all: Was sitting here going through the past weeks posts and realized i have never seen a post about this. If i'm repeating old info, my apologies, chalk it up to lack of memory. Architect's use, or at least they did before the advent of computer aided drafting, a triangular scale that has 6 scales on it. One of them is 3/16" = 1'-0". These scales are available in 1-foot lengths and are very reasonably priced. Here is a site but you can find them locally i'm sure: http://www.suppliesnet.com/index.asp? PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=2507 I use mine whenever i work on a project so that as im' laying out roads, building structures, etc. i'm always laying out in scale feet and inches and don't have to constantly do conversions from a regular tape measure or ruler. Regard'S', Ted

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41593	From: beebear	Date: 9/23/2006
Subject: Re: Measuring Scale

Hi Ted I have a wooden one of those from back when I was in high school drafting class It does come in handy John ----- Original Message ----- From: "trzp1800" <trzp1800@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2006 11:52 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Measuring Scale > Hi all: > Was sitting here going through the past weeks posts and realized i > have never seen a post about this. If i'm repeating old info, my > apologies, chalk it up to lack of memory. > > Architect's use, or at least they did before the advent of computer > aided drafting, a triangular scale that has 6 scales on it. One of > them is 3/16" = 1'-0". These scales are available in 1-foot lengths > and are very reasonably priced. Here is a site but you can find them > locally i'm sure: http://www.suppliesnet.com/index.asp? > PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=2507 I use mine whenever i work on a > project so that as im' laying out roads, building structures, etc. i'm > always laying out in scale feet and inches and don't have to > constantly do conversions from a regular tape measure or ruler. > > Regard'S', > Ted > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > Message transport security by GatewayDefender.com > 3:13:51 PM ET - 9/23/2006

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41594	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 9/23/2006
Subject: Re: Measuring Scale

----- Original Message ----- From: trzp1800 Architects use. . . . a triangular [ruler] that has 6 scales on it. . . . . . . . > > > > > > > And also worth noting, if you have an ordinary ruler that goes down to 64th of an inch, those are S scale inches. Need something 9 S scale inches, mesure 9 64ths on any good ruler. Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41595	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 9/23/2006
Subject: Sunday Chat, 9/24/2006, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 41596	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 9/23/2006
Subject: Re: Measuring Scale

Hi Ted, You are correct. I have been involved with architecture for almost 60 years and just recently went onto Computer Assisted Drafting (CAD and AutoCAD). I use these triangular scales all the time. Strange that most drawings are done at 1/8" or 1/4" scale but S gauge is 3/16" thus if I want to model one of my buildings I have to convert it to 3/16" scale. I hope start posting new photos of my layout soon. Glenn http://kulpritterpics.homestead.com/STONY_CREEK_RR.html ----- Original Message ----- From: trzp1800 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2006 11:52 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Measuring Scale Hi all: Was sitting here going through the past weeks posts and realized i have never seen a post about this. If i'm repeating old info, my apologies, chalk it up to lack of memory. Architect's use, or at least they did before the advent of computer aided drafting, a triangular scale that has 6 scales on it. One of them is 3/16" = 1'-0". These scales are available in 1-foot lengths and are very reasonably priced. Here is a site but you can find them locally i'm sure: http://www.suppliesnet.com/index.asp? PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=2507 I use mine whenever i work on a project so that as im' laying out roads, building structures, etc. i'm always laying out in scale feet and inches and don't have to constantly do conversions from a regular tape measure or ruler. Regard'S', Ted [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41597	From: Bill Lane	Date: 9/24/2006
Subject: CJSS Get Together 2006

Hi All, The Central Jersey S Scalers Fall Get Together was another success story. http://mywebpages.comcast.net/billlane/CJSS_2006.jpg It is not Hands Across South Amboy in the first photo. In a CJSS first, the church hall roof decided to spring a little leak right on my yard module and my Sharks. These Sharks to NOT like water (:->) The entire attendance picked up the completely assembled about and moved it about 3 feet to the other side of the hall. No trains were even derailed during the unscheduled move. The roof stopped leaking a short time later. How ironic..... The next photo finds the attendees enjoying the on site catered lunch. Next we have an overview of the church hall and layout. Finally, I decided to do a little impromptu layout shoot with my S Helper Service F Units that were in the January Mainline Modeler, and my Omnicon urethane Sharks. There were many new faces there. Welcome! We also ran all DCC for the first time instead of 1 DCC main and 1 DC main as in the past few years. It appears that we will all DCC in the future as well. If you were there I hope you had a good time. It is a LOT of work to get the layout set up and running for such a short time. Perhaps you can attend next year if you missed it this time. Thank You, Bill Lane Modeling the Mighty Pennsy in 1957 in S Scale since 1988 See my finished models at: http://www.lanestrains.com Look at what has been made in PRR in S Scale! Importing a Brass S Scale PRR X29 & G26 http://www.pennsysmodels.com PRR Builders Photos Bought, Sold & Traded (Trading is MUCH preferred) http://mywebpages.comcast.net/billlane/PRRphotos.xls ***Join the PRR T&HS*** The other members are not ALL like me! http://www.prrths.com http://mywebpages.comcast.net/billlane/PRRTHS_Application.pdf See my Altoona train videos here http://www.myspace.com/billlane

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41598	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 9/25/2006
Subject: Re: Measuring Scale

After reading all the scale comments, I decided to check out my engineering rulers this morning. The first is a triangular ruler used mostly for piping, strutural and civil engineering drawings and has the following scales: 16, 3, 1, 3/4, 3/8, 1/2, 1/8, 1/4, 1 1/2, 3/32, 3/16 The second is a triangular ruler used mostly for plot plans and large layout drawings and has the following scales: 1" = 10', 20', 30', 40', 50' and 60' I have a metal model railroad scale ruler that has separate rules for all the major scales. And of course the regular assortment of tape measures and carpenters wood rulers, framing squares, speed squares, drill gauges, screw gauges, etc. Hmmmm - this is beginning to get a little out of control. Maybe I'm really a "measuring devices collector" with a minor in "American Flyer collecting" - hahahaha! BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41599	From: Roy Inman	Date: 9/25/2006
Subject: FW: Wheel factory in S

---------- From: Roy Inman <rinphoto@...> Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 08:34:13 -0500 To: <buildingsandstructures@yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: Wheel factory in S Good morning all :) Need some suggestions for the following. We want to build a false front structure for one of the modules on our S train show layout. It will be a rail car wheel factory. We have the wheelsets and track and can get photographs of a local factory we can use as our prototype. What I am hoping for is either (1) a kit, either wood or cardstock of the false front building that would sort of resemble this single story, long structure or (2) plans in any scale that we can enlarge or reduce to build from scratch. If anyone has any suggestions it would be appreciated. Cheers :) Roy Inman www.unionstationphotos.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41600	From: Furmanak, Stan	Date: 9/25/2006
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} FW: Wheel factory in S

Trying again; my first reply to the list may not hove gone out 'cause I had a brief power burp and my PC shut off. Roy- What era is the module? For drawings of the old B&O rolling mill in Cumberland MD, see http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query. Do a query for "Cumberland rolling mill". The rolling mill, torn down in 1981 and now a shopping center, was used by the B&O to recycle old steel. One of those angular cast iron supports you'll see at the bottom corners of the transverse section was up on eBay a short while back as a "garden piece". The transverse section is almost 100' across and faced the Williams St. yard. The longitudinal section is over 200' long. I have a paper catalog from Westport Model Works that shows a lot more than what is offered at their website Perhaps one of these might be a good standin for wheel factory. http://www.westportmodelworks.com/modular_drawings.htm I have a photo from a Morning Sun book (Chessie color guide, I think) that shows a huge lot of wheelsets in front of a low profile building. I can scan and send if desired. If you are contemplating a modernish building, you might want to consider Rix Pikestuff products. True, the stuff is HO but S scale doors and windows can be utilized. http://www.rixproducts.com/pikestuff_listing.htm Speaking of Rix Products, I asked Rick Rideout (rix@...) a while ago if he would consider adding S scale (at least S doors and windows would be nice) to the Pikestuff line and he said maybe if interest was there. If anyone is indeed interested, let him know and show him the money. :-) Stan Furmanak Annville, PA ________________________________ From: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Scale@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Roy Inman Sent: Monday, September 25, 2006 9:35 AM To: S-Scale; S-trains Subject: {S-Scale List} FW: Wheel factory in S ---------- From: Roy Inman <rinphoto@... <mailto:rinphoto%40everestkc.net> > Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 08:34:13 -0500 To: <buildingsandstructures@yahoogroups.com <mailto:buildingsandstructures%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: Wheel factory in S Good morning all :) Need some suggestions for the following. We want to build a false front structure for one of the modules on our S train show layout. It will be a rail car wheel factory. We have the wheelsets and track and can get photographs of a local factory we can use as our prototype. What I am hoping for is either (1) a kit, either wood or cardstock of the false front building that would sort of resemble this single story, long structure or (2) plans in any scale that we can enlarge or reduce to build from scratch. If anyone has any suggestions it would be appreciated. Cheers :) Roy Inman www.unionstationphotos.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41601	From: velapoldi	Date: 9/25/2006
Subject: Caboose Industries

Hi all: Just want to "advertise" a great experience I just had with Caboose Industries. I wrote to them asking 3-4 questions about their ground throws. In short order, I received an answer from Aubrey Olson (President) answering the questions, and making some really knowledgeable suppositions, identifying potential problems, and making on-the-money suggestions for addressing the problems. This took 2-3 e-mails, so it wasn't a one-shot deal. Just thought I would send a note telling about a very positive experience from a customer's point of view. [Note: I have no connection with Caboose Hobbies except other than in the normal customer-company mode. Rance Velapoldi (Norway)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41602	From: Furmanak, Stan	Date: 9/25/2006
Subject: Re: Wheel factory in S

Roy- What era is the module? For drawings of the old B&O rolling mill in Cumberland MD, see http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query. Do a query for "Cumberland rolling mill". The rolling mill, torn down in 1981 and now a shopping center, was used by the B&O to recycle old steel. One of those angular cast iron supports you'll see at the bottom corners of the transverse section was up on eBay a short while back as a "garden piece". The transverse section is almost 100' across and faced the Williams St. yard. The longitudinal section is over 200' long. I have a paper catalog from Westport Model Works that shows a lot more than what is offered at their website Perhaps one of these might be a good standin for wheel factory. http://www.westportmodelworks.com/modular_drawings.htm I have a photo from a Morning Sun book (Chessie color guide, I think) that shows a huge lot of wheelsets in front of a low profile building. I can scan and send if desired. If you are contemplating a modernish building, you might want to consider Rix Pikestuff products. True, the stuff is HO but S scale doors and windows can be utilized. http://www.rixproducts.com/pikestuff_listing.htm Speaking of Rix Products, I asked Rick Rideout (rix@...) a while ago if he would consider adding S scale (at least S doors and windows would be nice) to the Pikestuff line and he said maybe if interest was there. If anyone is indeed interested, let him know and show him the money. :-) Stan Furmanak Annville, PA ________________________________ From: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Scale@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Roy Inman Sent: Monday, September 25, 2006 9:35 AM To: S-Scale; S-trains Subject: {S-Scale List} FW: Wheel factory in S ---------- From: Roy Inman <rinphoto@... <mailto:rinphoto%40everestkc.net> > Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 08:34:13 -0500 To: <buildingsandstructures@yahoogroups.com <mailto:buildingsandstructures%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: Wheel factory in S Good morning all :) Need some suggestions for the following. We want to build a false front structure for one of the modules on our S train show layout. It will be a rail car wheel factory. We have the wheelsets and track and can get photographs of a local factory we can use as our prototype. What I am hoping for is either (1) a kit, either wood or cardstock of the false front building that would sort of resemble this single story, long structure or (2) plans in any scale that we can enlarge or reduce to build from scratch. If anyone has any suggestions it would be appreciated. Cheers :) Roy Inman www.unionstationphotos.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41603	From: John Foley	Date: 9/25/2006
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} FW: Wheel factory in S

Hi Roy Check out the Vintage Lagoon who is now doing false front buildings in S. His home page is http://vintagelagoon.com/ You can get information about the construction of his buildings. And he tells me any of his buildings he can do in S. Also below is his eBay page. http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQfgtpZ1QQfrppZ25QQsassZvintagelagoon John ----- Original Message ----- From: Roy Inman To: S-Scale ; S-trains Sent: Monday, September 25, 2006 09:34 Subject: {S-Scale List} FW: Wheel factory in S ---------- From: Roy Inman <rinphoto@...> Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 08:34:13 -0500 To: <buildingsandstructures@yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: Wheel factory in S Good morning all :) Need some suggestions for the following. We want to build a false front structure for one of the modules on our S train show layout. It will be a rail car wheel factory. We have the wheelsets and track and can get photographs of a local factory we can use as our prototype. What I am hoping for is either (1) a kit, either wood or cardstock of the false front building that would sort of resemble this single story, long structure or (2) plans in any scale that we can enlarge or reduce to build from scratch. If anyone has any suggestions it would be appreciated. Cheers :) Roy Inman www.unionstationphotos.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41604	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 9/25/2006
Subject: Go Figure (Ebay)

The couple of weeks their has been several NH box cars, 5 digit, in E, that I was bidding on to go with the Santa Fe Chief set of 1958. No, I don't think I will be getting the five digit NW Reefer for awhile, as the three digit will do for now. I came in second, for two cars on Ebay, as they went for $153 and higher. There was a mint one for $294, that I am not including as the 2 I tried for. The car in TM goes for 100 in E, as I know, it is just a guide. So, I guess I have learn that the market is a bit higher. However, there was another one in E on Ebay that ended Sunday. I did not bid on it. It went for $77. Oh well. O:)! You never know. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41605	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 9/25/2006
Subject: Re: Go Figure (Ebay)

Sorry, I did not proof read the first sentence below! Trying to do too many things at once, while listening to the Nats/Mets game. Nats winning. LOL I meant to write that "The last couple of weeks THERE has been several NH box cars, five digit ....." Mike Marmer who has baseball on his mind, as we have tickets for Friday and Sunday. ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael and Linda Marmer To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com ; Toy Trains ; Ralph Loveless Sent: Monday, September 25, 2006 7:35 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Go Figure (Ebay) The couple of weeks their has been several NH box cars, 5 digit, in E, that I was bidding on to go with the Santa Fe Chief set of 1958. No, I don't think I will be getting the five digit NW Reefer for awhile, as the three digit will do for now. I came in second, for two cars on Ebay, as they went for $153 and higher. There was a mint one for $294, that I am not including as the 2 I tried for. The car in TM goes for 100 in E, as I know, it is just a guide. So, I guess I have learn that the market is a bit higher. However, there was another one in E on Ebay that ended Sunday. I did not bid on it. It went for $77. Oh well. O:)! You never know. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41606	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 9/25/2006
Subject: Re: Go Figure (Ebay)

Mike...... my log loader went Sunday night for 9.99......... I had several other items that went very CHEAP....... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael and Linda Marmer To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com ; Toy Trains ; Ralph Loveless Sent: Monday, September 25, 2006 7:35 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Go Figure (Ebay) The couple of weeks their has been several NH box cars, 5 digit, in E, that I was bidding on to go with the Santa Fe Chief set of 1958. No, I don't think I will be getting the five digit NW Reefer for awhile, as the three digit will do for now. I came in second, for two cars on Ebay, as they went for $153 and higher. There was a mint one for $294, that I am not including as the 2 I tried for. The car in TM goes for 100 in E, as I know, it is just a guide. So, I guess I have learn that the market is a bit higher. However, there was another one in E on Ebay that ended Sunday. I did not bid on it. It went for $77. Oh well. O:)! You never know. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41607	From: Ed	Date: 9/25/2006
Subject: Go Figure (Ebay)

-------Original Message------- From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 09/25/06 17:56:20 To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com; Toy Trains; Ralph Loveless; Michael and Linda Marmer Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Go Figure (Ebay) I think you are talking about the ric_dunn seller. He is selling a excellent collection for a AF TCA widow. I never got to see it even though he was only 30 miles away and a local club member. We discussed this as well at our meeting a week ago. Obviously some people know the collection and are willing to pay whatever for the items listed. Awful high was the clubs sentiment, but if he can get for the widow, so be it. A number of members and myself included, have bid on the items and quit when it got so high. Ed I meant to write that "The last couple of weeks THERE has been several NH box cars, five digit ....." The couple of weeks their has been several NH box cars, 5 digit, in E, that I was bidding on to go with the Santa Fe Chief set of 1958. No, I don't think I will be getting the five digit NW Reefer for awhile, as the three digit will do for now. I came in second, for two cars on Ebay, as they went for $153 and higher. There was a mint one for $294, that I am not including as the 2 I tried for. The car in TM goes for 100 in E, as I know, it is just a guide. So, I guess I have learn that the market is a bit higher. snip...snip _._,_.___ Messages in this topic (2) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic Messages | Files | Photos | Links | Database | Polls | Members | Calendar S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch format to Traditional Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe Recent Activity 3New Members Visit Your Group New Message Search Find the message you want faster. Visit your group to try out the improved message search. Share feedback on the new changes to Groups. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41608	From: FEZANDPAZ@aol.com	Date: 9/25/2006
Subject: Re: Go Figure (Ebay)

I am in the Philadelphia area and there are many avenues to purchasing AC Flyer, and I have found that the prices seem to have dropped over the past year. Same is true for Lionel, post war and so called MPC. I think that train prices may have finally peaked! Some times I wonder if I should sell my stuff now and start over at a later date! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41609	From: Roy Inman	Date: 9/25/2006
Subject: AM at the train show

One of our KC S Gaugers club members ran his AM Northern at a show this weekend and the engine pulled 54 cars with ease. Granted they were SHS and AM plastic ATSF refers (gorgeous site they were too), including caboose, but seems to me that is still quite a performance. A real crowd-pleaser. Nice realistic chug sound that the kids really liked. I had to leave for another venue in the show as they were about to add another dozen cars. And I can report that the conversion I did on mine from AF compatible coupler to the more scale-like SHS version has worked out quite well. I have only run it on a test track with cars, but seems to handle 27" radius curves OK and stays coupled. Just curious: has anyone attempted to double-head those engines? Looks like it might be a problem, but haven't tried it, so don't know. Cheers :) Roy Inman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41610	From: Ed Eckert	Date: 9/26/2006
Subject: The high Ebay prices on Ron's collection

I am thinking the discussion is involving Ron's collection being sold for his widow by ric_dunn. Ron was a local AF & TCA member who had a large amount of pristine Flyer. At our AF club meeting this was discussed and most of us thought the same thing. Awful high prices but accepted the fact if someone was willing to pay more for the item it is their choice and great for the widow. A number of us, myself included, have bid on the items and quit when we chose not to bid higher. That is why we place items in auctions. To get the highest bid possible. If someone overbids, it is their decision. All we can do is lament the fact that we lost and someone else took it home. Presently another members set box collection is being broken up with pieces selling above book. All is well for the widow in this case as well. The seller will not even set a price on anything, not even for club members. His comment on this is, if your interested, bid on it. Again whatever the auction brings. This is why Ron's widow had ric_dunn sell it. No local members trying to get something for less than an auction might bring and no hassles with membership. From the local Ebay sellers membership group, the word is 28% commission for selling the item plus listing costs and we have Ebay in my backyard (10 miles) and the group is large. Ed Eckert

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41611	From: Phil K	Date: 9/26/2006
Subject: Re: Go Figure (Ebay)

Don't read anything into selling prices at this time of year. They are always lowest when the thermometer is highest. Peak selling season on eBay (best prices for sellers) is late October through Christmas. Peak buying season (bargains for buyers) is June through the middle of October. Phil K ********************************************************************* --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, FEZANDPAZ@... wrote: > > I am in the Philadelphia area and there are many avenues to purchasing AC > Flyer, and I have found that the prices seem to have dropped over the past year. > Same is true for Lionel, post war and so called MPC. I think that train > prices may have finally peaked! Some times I wonder if I should sell my stuff > now and start over at a later date! > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41612	From: Rhett George	Date: 9/26/2006
Subject: Hello

- GreetingS - Many thanks to Paul Yorke for setting some variable in some machine somewhere which enables me to once again read S-trains. I feel like citizenship has been returned, that is, overjoyed. Paul, thanks again and cheerS. Rhett "ammeter"

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41613	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 9/26/2006
Subject: Re: Go Figure (Ebay)

Living in MD, I was in the Philadelphia area in the mid 1990's looking for trains and boy, did I have the mother lode at Great Traditions and Toy Train Station. LOL Got some real nice pieces, as I mentioned this before. By the way, Phillies 2, Nat's 1, in case there are any Phillies fans out there. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: FEZANDPAZ@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 25, 2006 11:01 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Go Figure (Ebay) I am in the Philadelphia area and there are many avenues to purchasing AC Flyer, and I have found that the prices seem to have dropped over the past year. Same is true for Lionel, post war and so called MPC. I think that train prices may have finally peaked! Some times I wonder if I should sell my stuff now and start over at a later date! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41614	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 9/26/2006
Subject: Re: Go Figure (Ebay)

Hi Ed and anyone else, I just want you to be sure, that in no way, was I complaining about the high bids for the pieces being sold by Rick Dunn. I firmly believe in letting the market place bear the price one wants to paid for something. I was trying to point out in a light way, how things can go high and then way. Now I understand more why the other pieces when higher and that is fine. They are willing to pay that for some reason and the seller gets a great price for the item. Nothing wrong with that. I hope to find one at York, more in line with the TM book. I was for awhile trying to get some Boy Scout patches for a scout camp in VA, Goshen, and this group normally goes for 14 dollars. I kept coming in second for several. So, one time, I bid 75, which I was willing to pay, silly, but willing. When, I cause someone else to win them for $76. Good for the owner. The next win, I finally got the set for 14! O:)! Just some examples on how the market goes on things. I am sorry to hear that Rick is doing this for a widow of a TCA member, as this is a very nice thing he is doing for her, as I am sure many non train family members get taken at times when a loved has past away and they have no idea the values. Again, back to Boy Scout patches I needed, as there were some C&O Canal patches I wanted and won. In writing with the seller in PA, I learn he was selling things for a friend's widow, as the man died of a heart attack at age 51. Very sad. So, many kind people doing this for friends. Life is very short. Yes, some of those NH Boxcars where being auction by Rick, but the piece I did not bid on, was from a seller, Trainbug47 (330031015576) as this one had the box and it was in LN condition with both door nibs missing. The reason I did not bid on this, as he also had a five digit 3 Dome Gulf tanker that I need for both the NH Mainliner and Santa Fee Chief sets from 1958 I am trying to piece together. I won the Gulf Tanker for $112 which is a fair price. Otherwise I would of bid for his NH Box. This piece sold for $77. Trainbug47 is a TCA members. I also had done some emails with Rick in the past, as he had a 21130 for bid with all the steps and I wrote and told him the story about the one I won on ebay with all the steps present, but the seller did not say they where glued, as I wrote about that before. And I wish him the best in getting the best price for it. It went for below 400 I believe, a great price. Rick did have another NH five digit in E, that I did not bid on, as that went for $62. The reason I did not bid on it, as it had metal tab door guides and I thought it is suppose to have door guides with rivits, as that is the type I have for NH Mainliner set. Plus all the other NH sold had rivit door guides. But I see in the Greenburg book, they only mention that this car had metal tab door guides, as I am sure the rivit ones are fine. Oh well, paid to be more educated about things. Now I know. Something new I learn, the hard way, as $62 is a bargin, after collecting AF since 1991. Anyway, I hope you all understand that in no way, I was complaining about the high bidding. I hope I get those prices when it is time for me to in 20 to 30, but I don't think that will happen, as we all start to die off and the interest in trains fades away. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41615	From: lember2004	Date: 9/26/2006
Subject: Re: Go Figure (Ebay)

my 2 cents:I have bid on some of the Rick Dunn lots & was high bidder on three. One went for well under what I was prepared to pay; the other two were closer to my actual bid. The criteria I use for bidding are: condition, how much trouble I have had finding a piece in the condition I desire, and, most importantly, the answers to ?'s I send the seller about details, operationing characteristics, etc. The answers generally lead me to either not bid at all or - if all the anwswers are what I hoped to be the case - to bid so I have a reasonable chance to win. Sometimes the answers to my questions tell me that the piece is worth "over book" - at least to me! In Rick's case, I have had an opportunity to see the collection - which helps, of course, and I find Rick easy to deal with. Mark

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41616	From: FEZANDPAZ@aol.com	Date: 9/26/2006
Subject: Re: Go Figure -Great Traditions

Glad to hear the Phils one! Sorry to tell you that Great Traditions disappeared and is now a candy store! the Toy Train Station is now called Joe's Train Station, he was one off the partners back in the '90's. He still has an incredible selection of Old and new trains. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41617	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 9/26/2006
Subject: Re: Go Figure (Ebay)

I forgot to mention, that I did win two items from Rick Dunn. A five digit D&H Gondola for a great price and a new in box Steam Whistle control, that I need to go with my 20740 set, also at a great price, way below, what I thought it would go for. Those pieces now have more meaning to me, knowing how this came about, the sale. Someday, we all will be in this situation and I only wish my wife will have the help that Rick is doing for the TCA member. But at least my wife does a have a bit of knowledge about the trains, probably more than most other family members we all have. Maybe this would be a good time to go over things with them. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41618	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 9/26/2006
Subject: Re: E-BAY ITEM

Anyone know about this item E-Bay # 330033548618 Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41619	From: faltrain5	Date: 9/27/2006
Subject: Did any of you on here go to the train show in Sharon, PA on Sunday?

I went and there was a lot of lionel as always, but there was some american flyer. I bought a 21105 engine with choo-choo and smoke for 10 $. But it needs the popsicle stick between the engine and the tender. As well as the trailing trucks, and wire needs fixed. However, it is in excelletn shape and once fixed and given all the parts needed it will be top of the line. I bought a 911 C&O gondola only it didn't have the pipes, and a 938 caboose for 10$. Train shows are the best way to buy stuff, but you know what eBay had a great sell the other night. It was 57 pieces of straight track for 22.50$ !!!!! That is a great price even though it was a little dirty. WOW! Usually they are like 2 bucks each or something in that ridiculous neighborhood. -Geoff

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41620	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 9/27/2006
Subject: Re: Go Figure -Great Traditions

The Phils lost to the Astros and the Nationals but I would rather run trains. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: FEZANDPAZ@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 10:50 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Go Figure -Great Traditions Glad to hear the Phils one! Sorry to tell you that Great Traditions disappeared and is now a candy store! the Toy Train Station is now called Joe's Train Station, he was one off the partners back in the '90's. He still has an incredible selection of Old and new trains. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41621	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 9/27/2006
Subject: Re: Did any of you on here go to the train show in Sharon, PA on Su

Proof of the need for S-Trains only. One post reaches all. I am saving my time and money for York TCA in October. I posted the times on the Calendar. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: faltrain5 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2006 6:43 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Did any of you on here go to the train show in Sharon, PA on Sunday? I went and there was a lot of lionel as always, but there was some american flyer. I bought a 21105 engine with choo-choo and smoke for 10 $. But it needs the popsicle stick between the engine and the tender. As well as the trailing trucks, and wire needs fixed. However, it is in excelletn shape and once fixed and given all the parts needed it will be top of the line. I bought a 911 C&O gondola only it didn't have the pipes, and a 938 caboose for 10$. Train shows are the best way to buy stuff, but you know what eBay had a great sell the other night. It was 57 pieces of straight track for 22.50$ !!!!! That is a great price even though it was a little dirty. WOW! Usually they are like 2 bucks each or something in that ridiculous neighborhood. -Geoff [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41622	From: Furmanak, Stan	Date: 9/27/2006
Subject: Rix Products and S scale

If you don't know about Rix Products, check out http://www.rixproducts.com/smalltown.htm Any of these would be great in S scale. Maybe Rick would be per$uaded to do $omething in "$" if enough ca$h was put on the table. Let's see .... $10,000 / $25 = 400. Could we get 400 S guys to contribute $25 each to raise $10,000? A gang of 400? Would raising $10,000 bring a return 400 units? I dunno. If Rick made just one kit in S, at least the doors, windows, sides, and roof tooling would done and another building would just need tooling for the front. Maybe the 2nd kit would be cheaper? On the other hand, is adapting any Rix or DPM (http://www.dpmkits.com/) HO or O scale product to S easy enough to do with decent enough results that trying to get someone to do an injected molded building in S scale isn't worth the trouble? To me, the most troubling issue in converting HO to S is the problem of floor heights on multistory buildings. Just adding a foundation and a new door to an HO building to make it S scale doesn't seem to be enough of an answer. Just wondering. Stan Furmanak Annville, PA P.S. DPM, by the way, has absolutely no interest in doing anything at all in S scale. Rick Rideout, however, at least offers some hope. ________________________________ From: Rix Products [mailto:rix@...] Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 4:39 PM To: Furmanak, Stan Subject: Re: Rix Products and S scale Stan I've looked into S scale in the past but haven't done any thing for that scale. Right now I'm to busy to think about doing anything new. But maybe some day. Tooling cost are the biggest problem, I can't do anything under $10,000.00 and that's for a small kit. S scale would take bigger molds and more of them than HO or N scale, that's one reason you don't see much for S scale. Not near as many people to sell to, and the cost is greater. So its a real gamble to get your investment back. Thanks Rick Rideout Rix Products [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41623	From: Donald Munsey Jr.	Date: 9/27/2006
Subject: Fw: River Logging

I apologize for cross posting this story! I belong to TOO MANY groups! Ed at Deerfield River Lasers urged me to forward this to some of the groups. I have been collecting pix for a long time of my two favorite modeling loves: logging and river ferries. I applaud all of the photographers's shots used here and apologize if your work is not properly documented. The pix were never collected for any purpose except inspiration. But - well, read along if you want! THNX for your time and patience. Keep in touch. Don Munsey, Jr. dmunseyjr@... Sn42 and Hn42 logging fan Virginian Rwy fan Bonsai grasshopper Living in the UpperRightCorner of Louisiana. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donald Munsey Jr." <dmunseyjr@...> To: <Edward448@...> Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2006 6:38 AM Subject: River Logging > Ed, > > Now you've gone and done it!! I don't know why it has taken me so long to > put these two words together in the same sentence: river logging!! The > best of both worlds!! Imagine!! There is a tremendous bottomland stand > of mixed red and white oaks on the other side of the river from your > barrel mill which has pretty much cut out the hardwoods along your side of > the river. The mill has a siding/connection with a class one railroad! > You also have a standing contract to provide treated ties and timbers for > the local mining industry. If you could just get those huge oak logs > across the river. BUT - No bridges anywhere - no roads yet - the land > across the river is prone to flooding! You just got back from a business > trip visiting the cypress swamp logging operations in Ponchatula, > Louisiana and the Pino Grande's sugar pine operations in California. The > swamp boys log from barges and the sugar pine folks move a single car > accros the canyon on a cable system. You don't have any high ground to > anchor the cables - but - what about a river ferry? In colonial times > there was a horse ferry just a few miles upriver. Why not relocate it and > update it with a small steam tug? OK- my brain cells need to slow down - > but - it could have happened that way! It did on the Virginia & Western > Railway in the 1920s along the New River at the mouth of Sinking Creek! > > Here is how we got the logging loco across the river. > > http://s-scale.org/albums/v/friends/dmunseyjr/carferry-WisconsinLgandTbrCo7.jpg.html > > > Here is how we housed the crews across the river. > > http://s-scale.org/albums/v/friends/dmunseyjr/PennFloatingCamp+m+reusser+coll.jpg.html > > > We found these tugs for sale cheap. > > http://s-scale.org/albums/v/friends/dmunseyjr/tug-ca1905-alligator-warping-tug.jpg.html > http://s-scale.org/albums/v/friends/dmunseyjr/ProtectedTugA.jpg.html > > > Here is what the log landing operations look like today. > > http://s-scale.org/albums/v/friends/dmunseyjr/hull-oakes+a-frame+log+unloader.jpg.html > http://s-scale.org/albums/v/friends/dmunseyjr/hull-oakes+pondboat1.jpg.html > http://s-scale.org/albums/v/friends/dmunseyjr/hull-oakes+pondboat2.jpg.html > > > Here is the boss's wife's boat. > > http://s-scale.org/albums/v/friends/dmunseyjr/tugboat-tiny-spike.jpg.html > > > The kids now want their own tug - found these plans in a wooden boat > magazine. > > http://s-scale.org/albums/v/friends/dmunseyjr/tubby+tug+drwng.jpg.html > http://s-scale.org/albums/v/friends/dmunseyjr/tubby+tug-plan.jpg.html > http://s-scale.org/albums/v/friends/dmunseyjr/tubby+tug+glen-l+1+test.jpg.html > http://s-scale.org/albums/v/friends/dmunseyjr/tubby+tug+glen-l+2.jpg.html > > > We need a larger tug - maybe a diesel? > http://s-scale.org/albums/v/friends/dmunseyjr/tugboat+red+rvr+shrvprt+5-2004+a.JPG.html > http://s-scale.org/albums/v/friends/dmunseyjr/tugboat+red+rvr+shrvprt+5-2004+b.JPG.html > > > We are anxiously awaiting some new equipment from overseas - we understand > the cargo boat is having difficulty somewhere down river. > http://s-scale.org/albums/v/friends/dmunseyjr/cargoboat.jpg.html > > Thanks for your time. I hope you enjoyed my liitle reshaping of history > along the New River in Southwestern Virginia. > > Keep in touch! > Don Munsey, Jr. > dmunseyjr@... > Sn42 and Hn42 logging fan > Virginian Rwy fan > Bonsai grasshopper > Living in the UpperRightCorner of Louisiana. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41624	From: lynnshouse2000	Date: 9/27/2006
Subject: When I am gone

I have been following the posts about the auction of the deceased TCA member's collection. It has me thinking about what will happen when I am no longer around. My wife and I have discussed this eventuality and I am trying to ease the burden for her. Since I have recently joined NASG I am using the forms provided in the membership package to inventory my collection. I am also building a card file on my collection. Each card lists the item, catalog number, when and where purchased, price paid, and the approximate TM book value. Additionally I record information about any repairs done and any parts replaced. Since I have several pieces needing cosmetic restoration I also record information on paint and lettering sets used. Should she decide to dispose of my collection she will at least have a starting place for valuation. Just my $.02 worth. Lynn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41625	From: David Engle	Date: 9/27/2006
Subject: Re: Go Figure -Great Traditions

The only CHIEFS that Kansas City ever had that are worth anything are the ones that ran through Union Station. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenn Ritter" <gartrain404@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; <FEZANDPAZ@...> Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2006 8:34 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Go Figure -Great Traditions > The Phils lost to the Astros > and the Nationals but I > would rather run trains. > > Glenn > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: FEZANDPAZ@... > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 10:50 PM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Go Figure -Great Traditions > > > Glad to hear the Phils one! Sorry to tell you that Great Traditions > disappeared and is now a candy store! the Toy Train Station is now called > Joe's > Train Station, he was one off the partners back in the '90's. He still > has an > incredible selection of Old and new trains. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41626	From: Chris	Date: 9/27/2006
Subject: York Meet Badges

Hi Everybody: I haven't posted here in a long while and I've been out of touch, but I'm looking forward to seeing many of you at York next month. We have always had a badge that identifies us as members of this group and this year is no exception. I have updated our S-list badge and you can find it at: http://www.freewebs.com/busyboy/S-list.htm If you click on the badge, it will take you to a clean copy, free of background clutter. Print out the badge on your color printer and cut it out. It will fit into one of those plastic badge holders that seem to multiply in storage like wire coat hangers. In other news, I just returned from Alaska, where I rode the Alaska Railroad and the White Pass and Yukon Railway. Pictures and story will be up on my website soon. Regards to all, Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41627	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 9/27/2006
Subject: Re: Go Figure -Great Traditions

Sorry to hear that Great Traditions is no more. And yes, someone told me, that one of the Joe's is no longer with Toy Train Station, now Joe's Toy Train Station. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41628	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 9/27/2006
Subject: Re: York Meet Badges

Chris...... when I click on the pic...... 2005 badge pops up...... I still use my old worn out one..... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2006 3:33 PM Subject: [S-Trains] York Meet Badges Hi Everybody: I haven't posted here in a long while and I've been out of touch, but I'm looking forward to seeing many of you at York next month. We have always had a badge that identifies us as members of this group and this year is no exception. I have updated our S-list badge and you can find it at: http://www.freewebs.com/busyboy/S-list.htm If you click on the badge, it will take you to a clean copy, free of background clutter. Print out the badge on your color printer and cut it out. It will fit into one of those plastic badge holders that seem to multiply in storage like wire coat hangers. In other news, I just returned from Alaska, where I rode the Alaska Railroad and the White Pass and Yukon Railway. Pictures and story will be up on my website soon. Regards to all, Chris Zizzo [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41629	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 9/27/2006
Subject: Re: Go Figure (Ebay)

Hi Mark, I just wanted to make sure everyone knows that I had no problems with Rick's auction and the great pricing he got for the widow. I was trying to make light, that I don't bid on one of the NH Box cars and one when fairly below the TM value listed. So, next time I will bid and see what happens. O:)! Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: lember2004 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 9:22 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Go Figure (Ebay) my 2 cents:I have bid on some of the Rick Dunn lots & was high bidder on three. One went for well under what I was prepared to pay; the other two were closer to my actual bid. The criteria I use for bidding are: condition, how much trouble I have had finding a piece in the condition I desire, and, most importantly, the answers to ?'s I send the seller about details, operationing characteristics, etc. The answers generally lead me to either not bid at all or - if all the anwswers are what I hoped to be the case - to bid so I have a reasonable chance to win. Sometimes the answers to my questions tell me that the piece is worth "over book" - at least to me! In Rick's case, I have had an opportunity to see the collection - which helps, of course, and I find Rick easy to deal with. Mark [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41630	From: sncozman	Date: 9/28/2006
Subject: saying hi and Help Please :)

Hi everyone. I am new to this group and want to thank you all for letting me join in. I am also new to restoring and running trains. I have a train set I pick-up out of parents garage the markings on the engine is 293 the New York, New Haven and Hartford Railroad. My first question of what I am sure will be many is what is the best way to remove rust from the tracks. Also if I wanted to buy new tracks for it when looking for them what type of track is it? Thank you all in advance for any help Richard

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41631	From: burkhardt1938	Date: 9/28/2006
Subject: Re: Reverse loop wiring

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Gerald Dobbs <grdobbs@...> wrote: > > 6. Reverse loop wiring > Posted by: "burkhardt1938" burkhardt1938@... burkhardt1938 > Date: Sat Sep 9, 2006 3:37 pm (PDT) > > I have tried using a Flyer automatic reverse unit for reverse loops > and can't get it to work. I also have tried the use of a dpdt switch > and can't get the loop working. I got a diagram from Doug Peck but it > doesn't seem to work either. My problem is that when the train passes > over the fiber pin insulated track section, it reverses, jumps > forward, then tries to reverse and stalls. Can the engine work in a > reverse loop if it is set to go forward and reverse, or does it have > to be set to run in only one direction? Could that be my problem. > Please help. I also have the same problem with a wye in my layout. > The same thing happens in the wye as in the reverse loop. The train > will get past the fiber pins if I set it to run forward only. But not > if I set it to run forward/reverse. I'm stumped. > > > > FROM your description I would say that you are operating the loop wrong. > The power should be the same polarity going into the loop. ( at the > fiber pins ) > Change the polarity with the train running in the loop. > exit the loop with the polarity matched at the fiber pins. > > I use the term polarity only to distinguish the poles between the BASE > post and 7-15 volt post. > AC current has + and - in the 7-15 side of the transformer, > alternating 60 cycles per second. > Changing the polarity with the train running on that section will not > effect the direction, > IT is not like DC power ( HO ) where reversing polarity reverses the > train. > > Jerry 77-11644 > Thanks Jerry, I will try again to change the polarity. I'm using an actual AF diagram and thought I followed the directions precisely. But I'll try again on the reverse loop. Then I'll try the wye. By the way, do you or does anyone else know if there is a way to test an automatic reverse loop relay to see if it is functioning properly? Bill

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41632	From: Phil K	Date: 9/28/2006
Subject: Re: saying hi and Help Please :)

First of all, welcome to our little cyber family, Richard. I'll assume you have the original AC Gilbert American Flyer track. I have found it is best to use 0000 synthetic steel wool (it's like a plastic pot scrubber) to remove rust, although I'm sure others here will chip in with their own favored methods. If your track is so rusty it's pitted, you'll have a tough time running your trains on it. You also have to make sure your connections are tight. Because other companies are making new track that accommodates vintage American Flyer trains like your 293, there is a lot of Gilbert Flyer track available on Internet auction sites and -- at very cheap prices -- local train shows. Expect to pay about 50 cents to a dollar per section. So buying "good" used track to replace a few badly rusted sections is a viable option. More good news: Lionel just announced it will begin re-making American Flyer track in the near future, with curves not only in the 19-inch radius like the original, but in a 27-inch radius. They also will be making regular and extended-length straight tracks, according to a published report. So you'll soon have an option to replace your track with brand new. Here is a link to a terrific website that will answer many of your Flyer questions as you get started. It has information about who makes track for S-gauge, which types are compatible with vintage American Flyer, etc.: http://www.trainweb.org/crocon/saf.html Where do you live? Perhaps one of us lives nearby and/or knows of an S gauge train club that can provide personal assistance in helping you get started. Have fun! Phil K ********************************************************************* --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "sncozman" <sncozman@...> wrote: > > Hi everyone. I am new to this group and want to thank you all for > letting me join in. I am also new to restoring and running trains. I > have a train set I pick-up out of parents garage the markings on the > engine is 293 the New York, New Haven and Hartford Railroad. My first > question of what I am sure will be many is what is the best way to > remove rust from the tracks. Also if I wanted to buy new tracks for it > when looking for them what type of track is it? > > Thank you all in advance for any help > > Richard >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41633	From: jimensign50@aol.com	Date: 9/28/2006
Subject: Re: saying hi and Help Please :)

Good Morning Richard- Welcome to the fun of American Flyer restoration. The quickest technique I found for cleaning lots of track was to get a brass brush wheel for my bench grinder. It will clean the top of the rail very quickly and you can also brighten up any of the remaining pins. I started out with quite a bit of used, rusty track and wanted to have the fun of running a train right away, so I started out with a pretty rough-looking set. As time went on, I have replaced any section that really proved problematic with a better section. Watch the trains shops for any boxes of original, used Flyer track and just pick up a few "better-than-what-I-have" pieces as they become available. It's cheap. I've found that the reproduction Flyer track put out by K-Line ( and now Lionel) was not exactly the same as original Flyer. The pins for the repro track are a tiny bit larger and require filing down to go into the original Flyer tubular end. The Gargraves pins fit better for me if you don't have enough original pins. Good luck and have fun. Jim E. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41634	From: Gregg	Date: 9/28/2006
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} FW: Wheel factory in S

Roy Here some Westport Model Works that I just installed on my module... http://s- scale.org/albums/v/friends/gmummert/WNYSSA/CT+06/P1010006.JPG.html http://s- scale.org/albums/v/friends/gmummert/WNYSSA/CT+06/P1010007.JPG.html You will need their catalog to select the various panels for each building. Gregg > "I have a paper catalog from Westport Model Works that shows a lot more than > what is offered at their website Perhaps one of these might be a good standin > for wheel factory. > http://www.westportmodelworks.com/modular_drawings.htm > > From: Roy Inman <rinphoto@... <mailto:rinphoto%40everestkc.net> > > Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 08:34:13 -0500 > To: <buildingsandstructures@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:buildingsandstructures%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: Wheel factory in S > > Good morning all :) > Need some suggestions for the following. > We want to build a false front structure for one of the modules on our S > train show layout. It will be a rail car wheel factory. We have the > wheelsets and track and can get photographs of a local factory we can use > as our prototype. > What I am hoping for is either (1) a kit, either wood or cardstock of the > false front building that would sort of resemble this single story, long > structure or (2) plans in any scale that we can enlarge or reduce to build > from scratch. > If anyone has any suggestions it would be appreciated. > Cheers :) > Roy Inman > www.unionstationphotos.com >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41635	From: T Larson	Date: 9/28/2006
Subject: [Fwd: Airslide]

The tally 40' Airslide kits is 25-35. I give a range because many people gave me a range of how many they would buy, depending on price. If any short run mfr is interested in this project, I'll forward you all the replies I've received. If anybody else is interested, to increase the chances of a mfr wanting to do this project, let me know (off-list). Ted -------- Original Message -------- There have been many good comments made on this list regarding rolling stock candidates for short run kits. I suggest that another good candidate is the Airslide hopper; I suspect that it is not common enough to justify doing it in injection molded plastic (although I would be happy to be wrong on this). If you agree that it is needed, let me know off-list how many short run kits you would buy at the typical short run cost (~$65) and how many you would buy if they were available RTR at a large volume price (~$40). I will tabulate and report the results. For reference, see http://www.atlaso.com/oairslide.htm http://www.atlastrainman.com/NFreight/tmnairslide.htm -- Ted Larson Waltrip's Law: If it ain't broke, work on it until it is!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41636	From: Russell Rawling	Date: 9/28/2006
Subject: S Gauge in non-S publication and promoting our hobby

I just received my October issue of Scouting magazine. There is a great article in an on-going series "A Family Together feature" about how model railroading and railfan activities can be a long-term and rewarding family activity. What caught my eye were the photos of the layout showing an S-Gauge layout with classic AF track and equipment. John April of Orinda, Cal and some of his extended family were featured. As a Railroading merit badge counselor he estimates he has given that class to almost a thousand Boy Scouts. Inspired to spiff up my S gauge layout and become a Railroading merit badge counselor. Russ

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41637	From: keefer1	Date: 9/28/2006
Subject: S SCALE LOCOMOTIVE & SUPPLY

Anyone familiar with this company? Are they still in business? Keith __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41638	From: Roy Inman	Date: 9/28/2006
Subject: Wheel car factory-thanks :)

Thanks to all who made some excellent suggestions in my search for a building that would be suitable as a rail car factory. Roy Inman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41639	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 9/28/2006
Subject: Re: S SCALE LOCOMOTIVE & SUPPLY

----- Original Message ----- From: keefer1 Anyone familiar with this company? Are they still in business? Keith > > > > > > > A good question. Their website http://www.sscaleloco.com/ has been "being rebuilt" for a long time now. There are two "e-mail us" links you can click on, one gets you an e-mail form to testingspecialties@... the other to s-scaleloco@... Let us know what you find out. Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41640	From: Roy Inman	Date: 9/28/2006
Subject: Re: S SCALE LOCOMOTIVE & SUPPLY

I found them at: www.sscaleloco.com Site is not fully functional. Roy Inman From: keefer1 <keefer1_us@...> Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 21:29:54 -0700 (PDT) To: k j <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Subject: [S-Trains] S SCALE LOCOMOTIVE & SUPPLY Anyone familiar with this company? Are they still in business? Keith __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41641	From: Gerald Dobbs	Date: 9/29/2006
Subject: Reverse loop relay

The reverse loop relay changes the polarity in a section of track with the train running on that section. For a simple indicator, wire ( solder )a red 18volt lamp to the same rail across the fiber pin., at each end of the section of track designated as the reverse loop section.( on the same rail, same side of the track, before and after the fiber pin ) run the train across the fiber pin only when the lamp is off, The lamp on the other of the section should be on. change the polarity as the train approaches the other end, to turn the lamp off before the train crosses that fiber pin. Jerry HR77-11644

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41642	From: Mark Preman	Date: 9/29/2006
Subject: American Flyer Trains For Sale

The new list for October is posted at http://www.americanflyertrains.com Happy hunting! Mark Mark B. Preman AmericanFlyerTrains.com --------------------------------- Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41643	From: Sam Blum	Date: 9/29/2006
Subject: part cases

does any body know a website for buying a portable case for train part made out of plastic i want cheap ones

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41644	From: Robert Graves	Date: 9/29/2006
Subject: Re: Go Figure (Ebay)

I have bought quite a few items from Rick, and he's given me permission to use his excellent pictures on The Gilbert Gallery. (You'll see a LOT of them there!) He's been a terrific seller and a good friend. Gee, I shouldn't say that - it'll encourage more of you to bid against me! lember2004 <lember2004@...> wrote: my 2 cents:I have bid on some of the Rick Dunn lots & was high bidder on three. One went for well under what I was prepared to pay; the other two were closer to my actual bid. The criteria I use for bidding are: condition, how much trouble I have had finding a piece in the condition I desire, and, most importantly, the answers to ?'s I send the seller about details, operationing characteristics, etc. The answers generally lead me to either not bid at all or - if all the anwswers are what I hoped to be the case - to bid so I have a reasonable chance to win. Sometimes the answers to my questions tell me that the piece is worth "over book" - at least to me! In Rick's case, I have had an opportunity to see the collection - which helps, of course, and I find Rick easy to deal with. Mark --------------------------------- All-new Yahoo! Mail - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41645	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 9/29/2006
Subject: Re: S SCALE LOCOMOTIVE & SUPPLY

I asked Fred Rouse for an update on what's happening at SSL&S and I'll pass on whatever he tells me. I do know that he has some projects in the works and is still in business. I work on the website and the "testingspecialties" email address is no longer in use. I overlooked that link when I changed the email addresses. Instead use s-scaleloco@... to get SSL&S at their new address. Please stay tuned. Roy > > Anyone familiar with this company? Are they still in > business? Keith > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41646	From: Phil K	Date: 9/29/2006
Subject: Re: part cases

Try Home Depot, WalMart, Menards, Lowes. Look in/near the tools aisle. That's where I get mine. Phil K ************************************************************ --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Sam Blum" <sootkid@...> wrote: > > does any body know a website for buying a portable case for train part > made out of plastic > > i want cheap ones >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41647	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 9/29/2006
Subject: WHISTLE

How hugh do you all think it will go? 330033548618 bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41648	From: Phil K	Date: 9/29/2006
Subject: Re: WHISTLE

Bob -- it wouldn't surprise me to see it go for over $10,000 -- easy. Maybe even between $15,000 and $20,000. Just depends -- as always -- how many people REALLY want it, and how high they're willing to go. This is a SPECIAL, SPECIAL item, one with high visibility and wantability. I'll be watching too! And I already know how high I will go. Phil K ******************************************************************** --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "ROBERT ALLEN CONNER" <rcon7@...> wrote: > > How high do you all think it will go? > > 330033548618 > > bob > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41649	From: Gerald Dobbs	Date: 9/30/2006
Subject: (no subject)

3a. part cases Posted by: "Sam Blum" sootkid@... sootkid Date: Fri Sep 29, 2006 1:46 pm (PDT) does any body know a website for buying a portable case for train part made out of plastic i want cheap ones Sam: I found that using 5 x 9 or 6 x 9 clasp envelopes work much better than parts in a box or tray. 100 envelopes about $9. you can write the part no's on them and other information about the part. I put the parts in a file box divided down the middle for two rows of envelopes. When you need a part just go to your repair guide that lists the part no. I have more than 200 envelopes of parts and still adding. This is a system I used when I was a Lionel repair in the "50" s, Lionel sent the parts in envelops, it save time. I used a similar system in the small engine parts Co. I worked at during the "60"s Jerry HR77-11644

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41650	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 9/30/2006
Subject: Sunday Chat, 10/1/2006, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 41651	From: clayton deich	Date: 9/30/2006
Subject: Re: WHISTLE

I have three of them without the tag, and brass whistle. I can't see putting out that type of cash for that, and you still don't have the train. On the other hand if I hit power ball who would care..... Hee Hee Hee!!! Clayton S. D. --- Phil K <waldootten@...> wrote: > Bob -- it wouldn't surprise me to see it go for over > $10,000 -- easy. > > Maybe even between $15,000 and $20,000. Just depends > -- as always -- > how many people REALLY want it, and how high they're > willing to go. > This is a SPECIAL, SPECIAL item, one with high > visibility and > wantability. I'll be watching too! And I already > know how high I > will go. > > Phil K > > ******************************************************************** > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "ROBERT ALLEN > CONNER" <rcon7@...> > wrote: > > > > How high do you all think it will go? > > > > 330033548618 > > > > bob > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41652	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 9/30/2006
Subject: Your point of discussion for this week.....

Is there a scenario that would have allowed American Flyer to survive the slot car craze of the sixties? I think there could have been a chance. Here's my thinking on how it could have been done..... Gilbert took quite a chance when they went S scale and two rail after WWII when the other toy train manufacturers stayed with O scale and three rails. I think another worthwhile change would have been going to DC power. The HO manufacturers did it by producing inexpensive DC transformers and motors, so the technology did exist and would have saved the expense and complication of the reverse unit. American Flyer's smoke and choo-choo sound was quite an innovation that still works well today and the more realistic looking locos and cars were a plus. The All Aboard panels were a good idea. Realistic Pikemaster track was a good move ruined by doing it "on the cheap" by not using their standard rail and using tighter curve radius. American Flyer would have had realistic looking trains, on two rail realistic looking track, with sound and smoke, DC power like model trains, and layouts that could be built in sections complete with scenery. If they would have retained their earlier quality and been promoted as the transition between toy and model trains, I think they might have survived as a small company similar to American Models or S Helper Service today. What do you thnk? Stumpy Stone...thinking outside the box again in Appalachia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41653	From: afjerryk5	Date: 9/30/2006
Subject: Trains and "sliders"

Has anyone seen the White Castle hamburger ad with the model White Castle restaraunt on a train layout? If so,any ideas as to the scale or type of trains.Hmm I may just have to buy a Twin Whistle White Tower kit and rework it into a "WC lounge". trains and sliders boyoboy Jerry

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41654	From: Phil K	Date: 9/30/2006
Subject: Re: Trains and "sliders"

Yeah. Nice commercial, but I wish they didn't have the guy acting like a moron. Of course, then again, only a moron would give a hockey puck (slider) a ride in a gon. Phil K ******************************************************************** --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "afjerryk5" <afjerryk5@...> wrote: > > Has anyone seen the White Castle hamburger ad with the model White > Castle restaraunt on a train layout? If so,any ideas as to the scale or > type of trains.Hmm I may just have to buy a Twin Whistle White Tower > kit and rework it into a "WC lounge". > trains and sliders boyoboy > Jerry >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41655	From: G C	Date: 9/30/2006
Subject: Re: S SCALE LOCOMOTIVE & SUPPLY

I too spoke with Fred just a few months ago, He told me that one of the main reasons things were as they are is thathe is having to retool. Many of the original molds are in bad shape. I can only imagine what such work costs with today's sky high prices.The reason for my call was to find out what if any of the old AF conversion castings were available. Unfortunately, for me none are! Gene Cimino --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41656	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 9/30/2006
Subject: Re: AF Northern

The new AF Northerns are shipping to dealers. I have one in hand that I picked up in Detroit today and shall report back after I have had a chance to gain some reasonable experience with it. Bob Bubeck [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41657	From: Bill Lane	Date: 9/30/2006
Subject: Lanes Trains website update

Hi All, A friend spent a whopping 5 minutes last night showing me how to use FrontPage, which I have has for 2 years to hyperlink objects. I spent last night hyperlinking LOTS of stuff! So now when you click on most photos and some text you will link to another page. It is cleaner looking now; you can navigate from page to page, and hopefully will load faster as I have heard it did not work well for dial up users. That are not many new photos right now from my major upgrade in January, but that will change. Please give it a look and I hope you like it. I did not make it just for me! Thank You, Bill Lane Modeling the Mighty Pennsy in 1957 in S Scale since 1988 See my finished models at: http://www.lanestrains.com Look at what has been made in PRR in S Scale! Importing a Brass S Scale PRR X29 & G26 http://www.pennsysmodels.com PRR Builders Photos Bought, Sold & Traded (Trading is MUCH preferred) http://mywebpages.comcast.net/billlane/PRRphotos.xls ***Join the PRR T&HS*** The other members are not ALL like me! http://www.prrths.com http://mywebpages.comcast.net/billlane/PRRTHS_Application.pdf See my Altoona train videos here http://www.myspace.com/billlane

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41658	From: Jenni Sipla	Date: 9/30/2006
Subject: Re: part cases

big lots and hobo i also find them at goodwill and other thrift stores Phil K <waldootten@...> wrote: Try Home Depot, WalMart, Menards, Lowes. Look in/near the tools aisle. That's where I get mine. Phil K ************************************************************ --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Sam Blum" <sootkid@...> wrote: > > does any body know a website for buying a portable case for train part > made out of plastic > > i want cheap ones > --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41659	From: Charles E. Smith	Date: 9/30/2006
Subject: SF caboose.

At the URL http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos is a picture of a SF caboose I bashed from a Lionel 027 to go with my new AM Northern. It's the 7th picture in the album "Chuck's Layout", which is about 3 rows down at the above URL. The white decal was available- I know it should be yellow. The coupled car is a Lionel 027 box car on AM hirail trucks. Chuck Smith, http://www.trainweb.org/chucksmith On matters of style swim with the current. On matters of substance stand like a rock. Thos. Jefferson (may be paraphrased)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41660	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 10/1/2006
Subject: Re: SF caboose.

----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles E. Smith" <cesmith@...> At the URL http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos is a picture of a SF caboose I bashed from a Lionel 027 . . . . . . . > > > > > > > Good work. For another ATSF caboose, don't overlook the Industrial Rail caboose, already painted ATSF. Just change the trucks and couplers. Tom Hawley -- Lansing Mich

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41661	From: rebendever	Date: 10/1/2006
Subject: '1:64 Modeling Guide' 2007 Calendar is Here!

Hey folks, If you had not noticed the '1:64 Modeling Guide' 2007 Calendar graphic on our home page, you ought to get there right now and take another look (http://1-64ModelingGuide.com). Pat Turner has done yet another spectacular job in collecting photo entries and judging. Prizes awarded this year are Sponsored by Turner Model Works, Tomalco Track, Doctor Ben's Scale Consortium & Main Street Motor Co. Additionally, photo submitters will receive a complimentary 2007 Calendar. If you recognize your photo in this year's calendar, please, send your contact information to Pat Turner right away. Pat is out running 'live steam' trains at this writing and when he gets back home, he will forward your information in order for you to receive your complimentary calendar. Also, Pat will have a Photo Contest Report in V9I5 (next issue) which will announce who the 2007 Photo Award Winners are and what prizes they will receive for their photos. Still wondering when you will receive your next S/Sn magazine? The S/Sn Volume 9, Issue 5 be in the mail no later than October 23 just in time for the Fall Fest in Tinley Park, Illinois. See you there! Your Editor, www.1-64ModelingGuide.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41662	From: Roy Inman	Date: 10/1/2006
Subject: Re: Wheel car shop

Thanks again to all for the suggestions regarding the wheel car shop model. I have found an honest to goodness wheel car shop in the KC area, shot photos of it, and am ready to get serious. The main structure is what appears to be a 1960-ish building with corrugated sides all round. Five large doors with tracks running into two. My question: where can I find some corrugated material, styrene or otherwise, with which to cover the beast? Any suggestions appreciated :) Roy Inman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41663	From: Al Paolozzi	Date: 10/2/2006
Subject: Re: AF Northern

Thanks for the info Bob. Looking forward to running one. A report would be appreciated. Anyone have ideas for the next Lionel S- engine. I would think a 0-8-0 would be a popular engine. How about it guys!!! Anyone else have suggestions. Al Paolozzi ----- Original Message ----- From: <rbubeck327@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2006 7:08 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF Northern > The new AF Northerns are shipping to dealers. I have one in hand that I > picked up in Detroit today and shall report back after I have had a chance to gain > some reasonable experience with it. > > Bob Bubeck > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41664	From: firex43	Date: 10/2/2006
Subject: Reliance Fire Hall

Would anyone with info on the upcoming Reliance Fire Hall meet please post current info. Thanks in advance. John Keating

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41665	From: hugoroundhouse	Date: 10/2/2006
Subject: S-L-O-W Parts Delivery

Morning All - Have you folks noticed that you can get delivery of a item won on e- bay in a week or two, but it takes some train parts companies over a month just to process an on-line order, even with a gauranteed VISA card? Do you suppose it's because e-bay sellers get feedback ratings that would expose poor service? Granted, I'm not talking about ALL parts houses - the one who's name reminds us of a wise man on a mountain ships his stuff in a week or so. But two of the big companies, both popularly known by three letters, are terribly slow. I only order from them when I can't find the part elsewhere. I know my orders are small and I live far away from the mainly eastern-based companies, but I think waiting 5-6 weeks is ridiculous. My folks got better service from Monkey Wards fifty years ago! I'm sure our forum host would not want us to name the companies, but what can we do to get the word out on those that just don't provide reasonably good service? Is word of mouth the only "safe" medium? Disgusted, but still having fun with A.C., Jim E.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41666	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 10/2/2006
Subject: Re: S-L-O-W Parts Delivery

You don't have to hunt & PECK for a good dealer of parts. Go down off the MT. to the Portline. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41667	From: WEG138@aol.com	Date: 10/2/2006
Subject: Re: Johnson's Roadbed Order

I placed an order with Johnson's Roadbed for American Flyer track. The order was placed last Spring. I was sent an E-mail saying that it was on order and due in September. Then in September I contacted them and they replied "It's coming." Lionel will still be making the wide radius track so that is not the problem. Does anyone know what is going on at Johnson's Roadbed? Bill Greaves [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41668	From: WEG138@aol.com	Date: 10/2/2006
Subject: Re: Metal Trains

I went on an "Elderhostel" trip about antiques. While there the instructor told me that he uses BRIWAX to prevent rusting on Metal Trains. He uses a shade called Golden Oak. I saw 3 sets of his metal AF trains. They were rust free and I could not see any affect on the original color of the trains. Does anyone use this wax on their metal trains? If so what were your observations? Thanks! Bill Greaves [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41669	From: Roy Inman	Date: 10/2/2006
Subject: Re: AF Northern

Al, one of our club members ran his Northern last weekend at a train show and pulled 84 cars. The chug is very realistic and it smokes to much we had to turn it off. That is in a space of 850,000 square feet. Roy Inman From: Al Paolozzi <amflyral@...> Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2006 09:30:45 -0700 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, rbubeck327@... Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF Northern Thanks for the info Bob. Looking forward to running one. A report would be appreciated. Anyone have ideas for the next Lionel S- engine. I would think a 0-8-0 would be a popular engine. How about it guys!!! Anyone else have suggestions. Al Paolozzi ----- Original Message ----- From: <rbubeck327@... <mailto:rbubeck327%40aol.com> > To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2006 7:08 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF Northern > The new AF Northerns are shipping to dealers. I have one in hand that I > picked up in Detroit today and shall report back after I have had a chance to gain > some reasonable experience with it. > > Bob Bubeck > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41670	From: Phil K	Date: 10/2/2006
Subject: Last call on discounted Fall S Fest hotel rooms

Today the Holiday Inn Select in Tinley Park will still accept reservations for rooms during the Nov. 3-5 Fall S Fest at the special S Fest rate of $110. So far, they've filled up quickly. Tomorrow, they will release the remainder of the blocked rooms to the public. If a room is still available after today and the customer asks for the Fall S Fest price, it will be given. But only as long as they last. For reservation info: Fall S Fest Dates: Nov. 3-5, 2006 Holiday Inn Select Harlem Avenue at I-80 Tinley Park, Illinois 708-444-1100 Fax: 708-342-6221 Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41671	From: velapoldi	Date: 10/2/2006
Subject: Re: AF Northern

How about some big steam - a big boy, or something similar. Yes, just stick two of the 4-8-4's together, etc. (well, almost :-) ). Rance Velapoldi (Norway) Al Paolozzi wrote: > > Thanks for the info Bob. Looking forward to running one. A report would be > appreciated. > Anyone have ideas for the next Lionel S- engine. I would think a 0-8-0 > would be a popular > engine. How about it guys!!! Anyone else have suggestions. Al Paolozzi > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <rbubeck327@... <mailto:rbubeck327%40aol.com>> > To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>> > Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2006 7:08 PM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF Northern > > > The new AF Northerns are shipping to dealers. I have one in hand that I > > picked up in Detroit today and shall report back after I have had a > chance > to gain > > some reasonable experience with it. > > > > Bob Bubeck > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > <http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com> > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > > at http://S-Scale.org/albums <http://S-Scale.org/albums> > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41672	From: Phil K	Date: 10/2/2006
Subject: Re: S-L-O-W Parts Delivery

There aren't many different manufacturing sources for AF repair parts. It would be silly in such a small niche as AF to have, say, three people manufacturing rerailers and nobody turning out the curved roofs for early crane cars and bridgetender shacks. Anyway, I do know that some -- some, I repeat -- parts dealers claim to have everything in stock via their lists, when in reality they only carry a small percentage -- i.e., the most popular parts. When you order something they don't keep in stock, they have to obtain it from a dealer (who would also sell that part to you, I might add). Usually, they mark up the price they pay the dealer and you end up paying a premium just to have it go through the hands of a third person. When you could have done this yourself, and saved yourself the turnaround time, too. There's a guy who sells AF repair parts at some of the shows I attend that buys most of his inventory from a well-known dealer at full price and then marks them up for the shows. If you need something right away and don't want to wait (i.e., a convenience store) and pay shipping, he's very handy. But if it is something where you can wait a few days, why waste money? I can speak about Doug Peck at Portlines personally. I have done business with him for years, have never been disappointed and plan to continue that relationship. Fred Jester of Fred's Train Parts is also a member of this forum and I have never heard anything negative about him, either. I have also dealt with Vince Amato at Hobby Surplus Sales on several occasions and have been pleased with those experiences. If you search the archives here you will find plenty of "enlightening" info about how one of the "three initials" places chooses to handle customer service. Phil K ****************************************************************** In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "hugoroundhouse" <jimensign50@...> wrote: > > Morning All - > > Have you folks noticed that you can get delivery of a item won on e- > bay in a week or two, but it takes some train parts companies over a > month just to process an on-line order, even with a gauranteed VISA > card? Do you suppose it's because e-bay sellers get feedback ratings > that would expose poor service? > > Granted, I'm not talking about ALL parts houses - the one who's name > reminds us of a wise man on a mountain ships his stuff in a week or > so. But two of the big companies, both popularly known by three > letters, are terribly slow. I only order from them when I can't find > the part elsewhere. > > I know my orders are small and I live far away from the mainly > eastern-based companies, but I think waiting 5-6 weeks is ridiculous. > My folks got better service from Monkey Wards fifty years ago! > > I'm sure our forum host would not want us to name the companies, but > what can we do to get the word out on those that just don't provide > reasonably good service? Is word of mouth the only "safe" medium? > > Disgusted, but still having fun with A.C., > Jim E. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41673	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 10/2/2006
Subject: Re: S-L-O-W Parts Delivery

Jim...... Monkey Wards could afford to hire a full time staff for shipping...... Most problems of the Parts houses and others are that they are small Home Businesses...... Most have other jobs to make ends meet.... ergo a lot less time with the family.... I frankly think they do well.... I just sold and shipped 14 boxes of stuff on Ebay...... my packing time, product price and listing fees far exceeded my 500 in sales..... real waste of time as I could have generated much more in less time on my computer doing my normal work..... I doubt if I will do much more on the net in sales..... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: hugoroundhouse To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 02, 2006 10:55 AM Subject: [S-Trains] S-L-O-W Parts Delivery Morning All - Have you folks noticed that you can get delivery of a item won on e- bay in a week or two, but it takes some train parts companies over a month just to process an on-line order, even with a gauranteed VISA card? Do you suppose it's because e-bay sellers get feedback ratings that would expose poor service? Granted, I'm not talking about ALL parts houses - the one who's name reminds us of a wise man on a mountain ships his stuff in a week or so. But two of the big companies, both popularly known by three letters, are terribly slow. I only order from them when I can't find the part elsewhere. I know my orders are small and I live far away from the mainly eastern-based companies, but I think waiting 5-6 weeks is ridiculous. My folks got better service from Monkey Wards fifty years ago! I'm sure our forum host would not want us to name the companies, but what can we do to get the word out on those that just don't provide reasonably good service? Is word of mouth the only "safe" medium? Disgusted, but still having fun with A.C., Jim E. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41674	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 10/2/2006
Subject: Re: AF Northern

Somewhere I heard the 0-6-0 was next? ob ----- Original Message ----- From: Al Paolozzi To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com ; rbubeck327@... Sent: Monday, October 02, 2006 12:30 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF Northern Thanks for the info Bob. Looking forward to running one. A report would be appreciated. Anyone have ideas for the next Lionel S- engine. I would think a 0-8-0 would be a popular engine. How about it guys!!! Anyone else have suggestions. Al Paolozzi ----- Original Message ----- From: <rbubeck327@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2006 7:08 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF Northern > The new AF Northerns are shipping to dealers. I have one in hand that I > picked up in Detroit today and shall report back after I have had a chance to gain > some reasonable experience with it. > > Bob Bubeck > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41675	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 10/2/2006
Subject: Next Lionel Engine

----- Original Message ----- From: Al Paolozzi . . . . Anyone have ideas for the next Lionel S- engine? > > > > > > > > I suggest they resurrect the plans they had to do an SD-40-2. Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41676	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 10/2/2006
Subject: Re: Reliance Fire Hall

This has been posted on the S-Trains calendar: 9:00 am-6:00 pm 10/16-18/2006 Reliance Fire Hall All Scale Trains Reliance Fire Hall 1341 W. Market Street York, PA 17404 Glenn http://kulpritterpics.homestead.com/STONY_CREEK_RR.html ----- Original Message ----- From: firex43 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 02, 2006 10:55 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Reliance Fire Hall Would anyone with info on the upcoming Reliance Fire Hall meet please post current info. Thanks in advance. John Keating [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41677	From: Randy Griggs	Date: 10/2/2006
Subject: A "Free-lance" 'S' Intermodal container/trailer handler/lifter

I am starting to make a "Free-lance" 'S' Intermodal container/trailer handler/lifter from an ERTL 1/64 scale John Deere Series 9000 4WD articulated tractor. I am using the entire JD tractor chassis (modified) and the wheels and tires that come on the ERTL model. I have created a photo album at: http://s-scale.org/albums/v/friends/rlgriggs/griggs+intermodal/?g2_navId=x2ead8073 which shows my progress so far. I will be adding photos and information as my efforts continue. I have included information and photos on prototype equipment (which I have used to visualize my free- lance model) as well as 'S' Intermodal equipment that is currently available. Let me know if you have any useful information you might want to share on this subject. Thanks. Regards, Randy Griggs

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41678	From: Roy Inman	Date: 10/2/2006
Subject: Re: AF Northern

An articulated BB, Challenger, Allegheny, absolutely. None exists in S in die-cast, except those kit bashed by modelers far more skilled than myself. I would also love to see some more art deco streamlined steam engines: MR, ATSF Blue Goose, UP M10000 (detailed plastic), Burlington Zephyr (detailed plastic), Dreyfuss Hudson, Southern Pacific daylight GS4, etc. The AM NYC is pretty cool, but ran a bit out of range of Union Station Kansas City. Roy Inman From: velapoldi <velapoldi@...> Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2006 19:55:06 +0200 To: Al Paolozzi <amflyral@...> Cc: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, rbubeck327@... Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF Northern How about some big steam - a big boy, or something similar. Yes, just stick two of the 4-8-4's together, etc. (well, almost :-) ). Rance Velapoldi (Norway) Al Paolozzi wrote: > > Thanks for the info Bob. Looking forward to running one. A report would be > appreciated. > Anyone have ideas for the next Lionel S- engine. I would think a 0-8-0 > would be a popular > engine. How about it guys!!! Anyone else have suggestions. Al Paolozzi > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <rbubeck327@... <mailto:rbubeck327%40aol.com> <mailto:rbubeck327%40aol.com>> > To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>> > Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2006 7:08 PM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF Northern > > > The new AF Northerns are shipping to dealers. I have one in hand that I > > picked up in Detroit today and shall report back after I have had a > chance > to gain > > some reasonable experience with it. > > > > Bob Bubeck > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > <http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com> > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > > at http://S-Scale.org/albums <http://S-Scale.org/albums> > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41679	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 10/2/2006
Subject: The New Lionel-AF Northern - A Review.

After a few delays, the new Lionel American Flyer UP 800 series Northern is arriving. The black No. 800 version is appearing as this is written and the two-tone gray version with smoke lifters is to appear later in October. A picture of the black version is viewable at: http://www.glancytrains.com/albums/album39/L_AFNorthern2.sized.jpg The engine is billed in the catalog as a reissue of the great Gilbert No. 332 of yore, but in reality, it is almost a completely new engine. It is a recreation, not a repro or reissue. Placing the new Northern next my trusty 332AC, 336, and 21140 versions from a half century ago reveals that new tooling has been used for the boiler casting, the tender castings, and chassis, motor and drive system, and smoke unit, not to mention the addition of electronics. The boiler tool is all new with much sharper detailing. The boiler front is also slightly wider (8 scale ft vs. 7.5) and closer to prototype and gives the new engine a less narrow more substantial “look.” The pilot and some other secondary pieces (e.g., the drive rods and valve gear) appear to be derived from refurbished original tooling. The black version is painted with an appealing near-flat satin black that is in keeping with Gilbert tradition. The smoke box is painted with an attractive gray-silver graphite color. The cab is finished with a back head, two figures, and "glass" fitted to the cab windows. The rim on the smoke stack that was a feature of the prewar O gauge version has been restored. The whistle and three relief valves are turned brass. Paint, numbering, lettering, fit and finish are very nicely done and greatly exceed in quality what was routinely executed by A. C. Gilbert. The only negative is that the very dark gray drive wheels are lacking in detail and not up to the general quality of appearance of the rest of the engine. And, yes, there are no whitewalls. Power pickup for the engine is derived from the drivers and trailing truck. Railsounds electronics are fitted in the tender and generate electronic chuff, bell, and whistle. There is a dedicated sound chip specific for this engine. There is no wire tether between the cab and tender – a real plus for appearance – and the cab to tender spacing is closer than what was typically used by Gilbert. The installation of a 9v battery for continuous Railsounds operation is suggested by the owner’s manual. I found the installation mandatory, given the momentary interruptions of sounds. The whistle sounds very good. The RS sounds can be defeated so that one can go with the choo-choo sound from the smoke piston unit, but the whistle, bell, brake sounds, and crew talk are left functioning. The electronic 4 chuffs/rev is generated by a magnetic sensor on the forward-most axle on the front tender truck -- a Lionel practice for O gauge tenders in the past. A DC offset control is required to activate the whistle and bell. The chuff, crew talk, steam release and compressor sounds at idle, and shut down are all fully operational, provided the 9v battery is installed. Brake squeal sound is generated every time the locomotive is slowed to a stop. All in all, the sounds are very good and are exceeded in quality in ready-to-run AC-powered S-gauge by only the TMCC/RS5.0 Lionel AF Mikados. The mechanical chuff at 1 chuff/rev. is of a much higher pitch than the old Gilbert -- more along the lines of the American Models steam engine piston chuff. Frankly, I believe most will like and use the Railsounds chuffing and not look back. Operation is smooth with the flywheel-fitted can motor. There is a few second delay in forward motion upon the initial application of power in a fashion similar to the Dockside switcher. Electronic F-N-R is accessed in the usual manner. Gilbert track and switches are negotiated with ease. “Looks” and operation are still better on the formerly K-Line (now Lionel) wide radius curves as is the case with the vintage Gilbert versions. I have not tested its limits, but I suspect that this engine will pull several dozen pieces of rolling stock. The rear drivers are fitted with traction tires. The new version runs a somewhat more slowly for a given voltage than the vintage versions that I have on hand, which is a plus in my book. Add-on details are metal and, unlike some newer steam engines in S gauge, the new Northern is very ruggedly constructed. This is one new steamer that one could hand to the proverbial 7 year old on Christmas morning and not have to worry about it being broken two minutes later. The new Northern is very much a postwar toy train in external design and intended use. So far so good, but now I come to a possible ‘fly in the ointment.’ Lionel appears to have set the threshold voltage to obtain smoke production somewhat high – about 10+ volts. At low operating voltages (e.g., with the engine running solo) smoke production is not strong enough to meet the expectations of most Flyer operators. A friend has two samples with the same shortcoming, so the observation is not isolated. As my sample has been run over time, smoke production has improved near the threshold. I have found the best results so far by using the Anormal fluid (or other low vapor point liquids) with 6 drops a load. When the Northern is pulling a mid-sized train (6 passenger cars) and is running along nicely at about 10 -11 volts, the smoke output becomes reasonably good. Pulling, say two dozen cars and running at 13v, smoke production is going to be very good. One appealing aspect of the engine’s smoking characteristics is that the smoke unit forcibly expels plumes that rises as much a 10 inches high over the locomotive. Observing the plume hit overhead objects such the crosswalk of a No. 748 footbridge brings to mind steam engine smoke enveloping the footbridge at Steamtown. Unfortunately, there is not quite enough of it with short trains running at modest power settings. An alteration in the heating scheme may rectify the issue. One suspects that Lionel settled on the current arrangement to prevent heating element burnout under high power settings. Smoke production may be defeated by a switch under the cab. The new Northern is so new and so different in so many ways I do not foresee its arrival greatly affecting the prices of collectible high grade vintage Gilbert samples. All in all, this is a lot of S-gauge steam engine for about $380 “street price.” In many ways it will exceed the expectations of traditional Gilbert operators, save for the one operational shortcoming concerning smoke. Bob Bubeck [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41680	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 10/2/2006
Subject: Re: NORTHERN

Besides seeing an 0-8-0 like the 343. I like to see an extra oil tender for the UP Northern with couplers on both ends. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41681	From: Roy Inman	Date: 10/2/2006
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Re: [S-Trains] Wheel car shop

Uploaded some photos of the wheel factory to the S Scale photos section under Roy's Photos, for anyone interested. Pretty fascinating place. Dirty, weathered, cool! Roy > From: Alex Binkley <alex.binkley@...> > Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2006 18:30:36 -0400 > To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com>, Roy Inman <rinphoto@...> > Cc: S-Scale <S-Scale@yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Re: [S-Trains] Wheel car shop > > You got photos you could put in the S scale section? > cheers

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41682	From: Roy Inman	Date: 10/2/2006
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Re: [S-Trains] Wheel car shop

Uploaded. Roy Inman From: Alex Binkley <alex.binkley@...> Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2006 18:30:36 -0400 To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com>, Roy Inman <rinphoto@...> Cc: S-Scale <S-Scale@yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Re: [S-Trains] Wheel car shop You got photos you could put in the S scale section? cheers ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roy Inman" <rinphoto@... <mailto:rinphoto%40everestkc.net> > To: "S-trains" <S-trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-trains%40yahoogroups.com> > Cc: "S-Scale" <S-Scale@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Scale%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2006 9:03 PM Subject: {S-Scale List} Re: [S-Trains] Wheel car shop > Thanks again to all for the suggestions regarding the wheel car shop > model. > I have found an honest to goodness wheel car shop in the KC area, shot > photos of it, and am ready to get serious. > The main structure is what appears to be a 1960-ish building with > corrugated > sides all round. Five large doors with tracks running into two. > My question: where can I find some corrugated material, styrene or > otherwise, with which to cover the beast? > Any suggestions appreciated :) > Roy Inman > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41683	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 10/2/2006
Subject: Re: Next Lionel Engine

Hi Tom & Group, I'll second that motion. I was greatly disappointed when Lionel announced he SD40-2 and then backed out of it. It would be nice to see some more modern diesels. I was even willing to get the Conrail version (and repaint it, of course). Not that there is anything wrong with the steamers! Jerry Poniatowski Wayne, Michigan --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Hawley" <t.hawley@...> wrote: > I suggest they resurrect the plans they had to do an SD-40-2. > Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41684	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 10/2/2006
Subject: Re: MALLET ON E-BAY

OK For you Mallet lovers, see E-Bay item # 290035901853 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41685	From: lember2004	Date: 10/2/2006
Subject: Re: Johnson's Roadbed Order

I had one good and one no-response experinece with them. So, the second time I instead bought the product from our Mark Preman at americanflyertrains.com Mark --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, WEG138@... wrote: > > I placed an order with Johnson's Roadbed for American Flyer track. The order > was placed last Spring. I was sent an E-mail saying that it was on order and > due in September. > Then in September I contacted them and they replied "It's coming." > Lionel will still be making the wide radius track so that is not the > problem. > Does anyone know what is going on at Johnson's Roadbed? > > Bill Greaves > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41686	From: Doug Peck	Date: 10/3/2006
Subject: Re: Johnson's Roadbed Order

Depending upon how much you are loking for, we have JRR in stock now....all 3 types for S. See our website, and click on TRACK OPTIONS for pricing. JRR usually runs low on stock in the spring. I believe they have a new run done during the summer, and it arrives in CA in early fall. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours: Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, & Saturdays--- 2-5 PM (EST) 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: www.portlines.com <http://www.portlines.com/> E-mail: doug@... VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41687	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 10/3/2006
Subject: Re: MALLET ON E-BAY

Hi Steve, It's already for a can motor, smoke and choo-choo units but it would mow down scenery on the curves. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: anormal1@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 02, 2006 10:54 PM Subject: [S-Trains] RE: MALLET ON E-BAY OK For you Mallet lovers, see E-Bay item # 290035901853 Recent Activity a.. 5New Members b.. 1New Photos Visit Your Group New Message Search Find the message you want faster. Visit your group to try out the improved message search. Share feedback on the new changes to Groups . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41688	From: Mark Preman	Date: 10/3/2006
Subject: Reliance Fire Hall - York Info

Please go to http://www.americanflyertrains.com - click on shows - click on flyer! Mark Mark B. Preman AmericanFlyerTrains.com --------------------------------- How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger’s low PC-to-Phone call rates. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41689	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 10/3/2006
Subject: Re: A "Free-lance" 'S' Intermodal container/trailer handler/lifter

----- Original Message ----- From: Randy Griggs . . . . . . . .I have created a photo album at: http://s-scale.org/albums/v/friends/rlgriggs/griggs+intermodal/?g2_navId=x2ead8073 which shows my progress so far.. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Let me know if you have any useful information you might want to share on this subject. Thanks. > > > > > > > > Randy, This is great. It's always good to find another intermodalista in S. What little modern intermodal talk there is in S is usually on the SSTOT yahoo group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SSTOT/?yguid=152716356 , but it's good to see it anywhere. There is also an all-scale intermodal group, http://groups.yahoo.com/group/modelintermodal/ One of your pictures, http://s-scale.org/albums/v/friends/rlgriggs/griggs+intermodal/Dcp_3328.jpg.html?g2_navId=x2ead8073 , is captioned "Modern, longer trailers on American Models’ spine cars. Photo is from a fellow S-Gauger’s layout, identity unknown." That's my spine car with MTH Railking trailers, perfect 45 foot S scale trainers. The train is on a club module I think. I wonder if anyone else on the S-Trains list is interested in modern intermodal modelling. Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41690	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 10/3/2006
Subject: Re: Reliance Fire Hall

Hi all, Well, the Reliance is completely sold out, and as you all know, will be inhabited by "S" people for the most part. Close to 70 tables of the stuff. If you logged onto Mark Preman's website (BTW thanks for the plug Mark) you can read the flyer. Here's the lineup of dealers; Your favorites in "S" Gary Clark Richard Hinkle Paul Rush Frankie Merson Todd Metcalf Jim Patterson Fred Shafer Gary Shutovich John Vanacore Mike Farner Ron Borsella Dick Wachtman The balance of dealers have a mixture of wares to exhibit; Bob Persing Plasticville parts and Flyer Bill Hause Flyer, Lionel, MTH, etc. Wayne Crone Plasticville, Lionel and Flyer Fred Brown Lionel, Books, Toys, and Flyer sometimes Joe Fanara Lionel, Flyer, etc. Ed Stencler Lionel, Flyer, Marx, etc. Charlie Schmitt Lionel parts Matt Hazekamp Lionel boxes and parts For those of you who aren't aware of the particulars (date, time, location) of the show; Location: Reliance Fire Co. Highland Ave. and West Market St. Dates: October 16, 17, and 18 (Mon thru Wed) Open from 9am until 6pm Free parking, clean restrooms, and food on the premises. Any questions before, during or after the show please call me toll-free at 888-494-5821. Looking forward to seeing you all there. Respectfully submitted, Fred Jester Fred's Train Parts [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41691	From: Phil K	Date: 10/3/2006
Subject: Three bucks to have a question answered?

Hello again, everybody -- Just spoke to a friend of mine who recently joined this board after lurking for several weeks. He marveled in what a wonderful place this is, where one can ask a question and get an instant variety of answers and opinions. Especially in the vast archives. He was shocked and pleased that so much information was available FREE -- for the asking. He was also thrilled to hear of alternative dealers for AF parts. He told me that he had previously purchased parts from RFG Co., where on its website you can also get an American Flyer question answered - - for a THREE DOLLAR charge! Just key in your credit card number! If that's the going rate, I figure by now I must owe you gals and guys about $3,674,976. Thanks, Paul Yorke, for providing this vehicle. Three bucks! LOL! Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41692	From: firex43	Date: 10/3/2006
Subject: Next Lionel (flyonel) Engine Choice

I will add my second to the choice of the SD40-2 as the next Lionel loco. With the advent of the new 6 wheel trucks as on the SD9 locos it should be relatively easy to build the SD40-2. Conrail would be a good roadname choice for half of the U.S. at least. John Keating

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41693	From: Greg Klein	Date: 10/3/2006
Subject: OPEN HOUSE - TOY TRAINS UNLIMITED, Hanover, PA

OPEN HOUSE OPEN HOUSE OPEN HOUSE (FOR YOU EARLY YORK TCA MEMBERS) WEDNESDAY, OCTOBER 18, 2006 1:00 - 5:00 PM TOY TRAINS UNLIMITED 28 YORK STREET HANOVER, PA 17331 1-717-637-4717 (VERY S GAUGE FRIENDLY) (Only 30 minutes west of York) FOOD, DRINKS & PLENTY OF GOOD CONVERSATION

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41694	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 10/4/2006
Subject: Next Flyonel Loco

The next Flyonel AF loco MUST be the Pennsy B6a 0-6-0 switcher with slope back tender, reliable can motor and electronic reverse unit, backup light, etc. Great tooling already exists for this loco, or it can be easily reverse engineered by the Chinese. Joe Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613*9 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock; More than 1,300 part lines American Models ##### S-Helper Service ###### K-Line S Gauge joestrainrepair@... Master Card/Visa

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41695	From: bimorph	Date: 10/4/2006
Subject: FS: All Aboard Champion 800 set NOB

I have for sale the American Flyer Champion 800 set which is new in the original box. The box has been opened but I never unpacked it so it is still wrapped up in the paper. I am asking $475 for it and it is pick up only. I live in Cedarhurst,NY which is near Kennedy Airport. I own this since the early 1970s so I can guarantee that it is all original. One just sold on ebay for $735 in used condition. (# 130031286368 ) I had an offer for $675 if I would ship it but I don't want to. I have pictures for those who are interested. thanks, Al

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41696	From: WEG138@aol.com	Date: 10/4/2006
Subject: Re: Metal Trains & Briwax

The can of BRIWAX that I purchased gives the following information....... Web site.........www.briwav.com _e-mail.........sales@..._ (mailto:e-mail.........sales@...) The wax contains Naphtha, Xylene and Isomers of Xylene. It states that it is Toluene free. They have an address in Texas. There phone # is 1-800-527-4929. I hope this helps. Bill Greaves [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41697	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 10/4/2006
Subject: Re: That Time of the Year!

Well we are in that "TIME" of the year that most American Flyer MEN hear that "All Aboard" got to get the trains running again time, York is right around the corner and for those who can't attend, let me invite you to join "AvailableSGauge" on Yahoo, where you can purchase, sell or even trade the special S Gauge items. You can reach the group by going to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/availablesgauge All are welcome Jerry Matsick Moderator

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41698	From: Doug Peck	Date: 10/4/2006
Subject: Re: SHS Highrail wheels in AF cars

<<<Is anyone a step ahead of me and figured out, or remembered, which eyelets fit in the AF sideframes to make this work?. They would work for the new SHS wheelsets just as they did for the old Ace wheelsets. >>> Although ACE is no longer available (apparently), we do have a limited supply of various NOS ACE parts on hand, AND we have a large supply of these brass inserts which Tom referred to. The brass inserts are $2.50 per 16 (2 cars worth of inserts). Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours: Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, & Saturdays--- 2-5 PM (EST) 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: www.portlines.com <http://www.portlines.com/> E-mail: doug@... VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41699	From: Art Shifrin	Date: 10/4/2006
Subject: dialing for answer$

At least RF Giardina could've had some humor about it and charged $3.16 per inquiry....and every 64th inquiry from any customer (sort of an informational lotto) should get a free answer.... My kudos too for the time consuming task of running this magnanimous board! Best, Shiffy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41700	From: Art Shifrin	Date: 10/4/2006
Subject: two projects with which I need mostly 'build-it for me' assistance

Hi Gang, Might any of you be QUALIFIED and interested in doing some custom low voltage electrical projects for me? I want some things made up meticulously, properly diagrammed and labeled. I need a switching matrix for two three rail 4-way crossovers & various issues of physical condition prevent me from spending time at a work table. Even more than 15 minutes at the computer is a drain, but that'll get better. Before anyone chides, excoriates or even questions the 3 rail aspect of this (just kidding) remember that I'm one of the last 'dinosaurs' who still actually runs AF 3/16 O. The crossovers were made for me by Frank Curtis, perhaps 4 years ago. I really want to finally get the switch motors operational. This isn't merely a matter of 4 times the connections of one switch track per crossover. There are guide rails that have to switch between center rail and common, depending upon the positioning of the swivel rails. So this involves multiple pole relays. The two crossovers are adjacent to one another and offset by one line of track, so that interchange is possible amongst 3 lines within a mere 60" of track. I'd also Iike to have an LED matrix that graphically illustrate the status of the 8 cross points. I worked out a schematic which of course works on paper and my PC's screen: reality could be another matter! Second issue: Might any of you know of a relatively simple product into which MP3 files of short duration can be recorded (via a line, not microphone input) and stored in non-volatile memory.? A self-contained audio recording circuit would be simpler than encoding files into chips. The idea is not remotely profound, just fun if it were to be done): to have the thing(s) store engine's & other sounds. Multiple channels could contain different effects & be run individually or aggregately. They'd feed an amplifier of suitable power that'd drive a substantial loudspeaker placed under the train board, or a matrix of smaller ones strategically (with considerations of camouflage) located on the layout. In my opinion the sheer effect of volume is more important than that of Doppler and directionality. The kind of bandwidth (fidelity) and volume that I want cannot be generated in ANY speakers that can fit 1:64 let alone 1:48 rolling stock. I realize that high quality existing sound cards could feed power amps too & for most applications, might suffice (if the files are sufficiently deep in bits). But there's one recording that I have that's antique and I want to be able to 'blast' that one at will. So, if you would like to pursue this with me, or know of anyone not on this list, please let me know and or forward this. Best, Shiffy ________________________________ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 9:40 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Digest Number 3194 S-Scale and S-Gauge (1/64th) S-Trains <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains;_ylc=X3oDMTJiNWo0a2sxBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTYwMTUzMzgxOARzZWMDaGRyBHNsawNocGgEc3RpbWUDMTE1OTk2OTIyNQ--> Messages In This Digest (8 Messages) 1. Re: Johnson's Roadbed Order From: Doug Peck 2. Re: MALLET ON E-BAY From: Glenn Ritter 3. Reliance Fire Hall - York Info From: Mark Preman 4. Re: A "Free-lance" 'S' Intermodal container/trailer handler/lifter From: Tom Hawley 5. Re: Reliance Fire Hall From: fredstrainparts@... 6. Three bucks to have a question answered? From: Phil K 7. Next Lionel (flyonel) Engine Choice From: firex43 8. OPEN HOUSE - TOY TRAINS UNLIMITED, Hanover, PA From: Greg Klein View All Topics <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/messages;_ylc=X3oDMTJkbzdrdmRyBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTYwMTUzMzgxOARzZWMDZG1zZwRzbGsDYXRwYwRzdGltZQMxMTU5OTY5MjI1?xm=1&m=p&tidx=1> | Create New Topic <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJkdXZicW1xBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTYwMTUzMzgxOARzZWMDZG1zZwRzbGsDbnRwYwRzdGltZQMxMTU5OTY5MjI1> Messages 1. Re: Johnson's Roadbed Order <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/41686;_ylc=X3oDMTJwaXB0anZiBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTYwMTUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM0MTY4NgRzZWMDZG1zZwRzbGsDdm1zZwRzdGltZQMxMTU5OTY5MjI1> Posted by: "Doug Peck" doug@... <mailto:doug@...?Subject= Re%3A%20Johnson%27s%20Roadbed%20Order> portlines <http://profiles.yahoo.com/portlines> Tue Oct 3, 2006 7:55 am (PST) Depending upon how much you are loking for, we have JRR in stock now....all 3 types for S. See our website, and click on TRACK OPTIONS for pricing. JRR usually runs low on stock in the spring. I believe they have a new run done during the summer, and it arrives in CA in early fall. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours: Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, & Saturdays--- 2-5 PM (EST) 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: www.portlines.com <http://www.portlines.com/ <http://www.portlines.com/> > E-mail: doug@... <mailto:doug%40portlines.com> VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top Reply to sender <mailto:doug@...?Subject= Re%3A%20Johnson%27s%20Roadbed%20Order> | Reply to group <mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com?Subject= Re%3A%20Johnson%27s%20Roadbed%20Order> | Reply via web post <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJwYnJ1ZnVoBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTYwMTUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM0MTY4NgRzZWMDZG1zZwRzbGsDcnBseQRzdGltZQMxMTU5OTY5MjI1?act=reply&messageNum=41686> Messages in this topic <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/41667;_ylc=X3oDMTM1OW9ubmZvBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTYwMTUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM0MTY4NgRzZWMDZG1zZwRzbGsDdnRwYwRzdGltZQMxMTU5OTY5MjI1BHRwY0lkAzQxNjY3> (3) 2. Re: MALLET ON E-BAY <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/41687;_ylc=X3oDMTJwZ2kzaDN1BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTYwMTUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM0MTY4NwRzZWMDZG1zZwRzbGsDdm1zZwRzdGltZQMxMTU5OTY5MjI1> Posted by: "Glenn Ritter" gartrain404@... <mailto:gartrain404@...?Subject= Re%3A%20MALLET%20%20%20ON%20E-BAY> glenn_ritter <http://profiles.yahoo.com/glenn_ritter> Tue Oct 3, 2006 7:56 am (PST) Hi Steve, It's already for a can motor, smoke and choo-choo units but it would mow down scenery on the curves. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: anormal1@... <mailto:anormal1%40aol.com> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, October 02, 2006 10:54 PM Subject: [S-Trains] RE: MALLET ON E-BAY OK For you Mallet lovers, see E-Bay item # 290035901853 Recent Activity a.. 5New Members b.. 1New Photos Visit Your Group New Message Search Find the message you want faster. Visit your group to try out the improved message search. Share feedback on the new changes to Groups . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top Reply to sender <mailto:gartrain404@...?Subject= Re%3A%20MALLET%20%20%20ON%20E-BAY> | Reply to group <mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com?Subject= Re%3A%20MALLET%20%20%20ON%20E-BAY> | Reply via web post <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJwZWw1N2QwBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTYwMTUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM0MTY4NwRzZWMDZG1zZwRzbGsDcnBseQRzdGltZQMxMTU5OTY5MjI1?act=reply&messageNum=41687> Messages in this topic <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/41684;_ylc=X3oDMTM1MHFjNmZrBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTYwMTUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM0MTY4NwRzZWMDZG1zZwRzbGsDdnRwYwRzdGltZQMxMTU5OTY5MjI1BHRwY0lkAzQxNjg0> (2) 3. Reliance Fire Hall - York Info <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/41688;_ylc=X3oDMTJwaWJuMGM3BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTYwMTUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM0MTY4OARzZWMDZG1zZwRzbGsDdm1zZwRzdGltZQMxMTU5OTY5MjI1> Posted by: "Mark Preman" amerflyer@... <mailto:amerflyer@...?Subject=Re: Reliance%20Fire%20Hall%20%20-%20York%20Info> Tue Oct 3, 2006 11:11 am (PST) Please go to http://www.americanflyertrains.com <http://www.americanflyertrains.com> - click on shows - click on flyer! Mark Mark B. Preman AmericanFlyerTrains.com --------------------------------- How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top Reply to sender <mailto:amerflyer@...?Subject=Re: Reliance%20Fire%20Hall%20%20-%20York%20Info> | Reply to group <mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com?Subject=Re: Reliance%20Fire%20Hall%20%20-%20York%20Info> | Reply via web post <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJwNWc1NmFlBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTYwMTUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM0MTY4OARzZWMDZG1zZwRzbGsDcnBseQRzdGltZQMxMTU5OTY5MjI1?act=reply&messageNum=41688> Messages in this topic <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/41688;_ylc=X3oDMTM1czk0djY3BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTYwMTUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM0MTY4OARzZWMDZG1zZwRzbGsDdnRwYwRzdGltZQMxMTU5OTY5MjI1BHRwY0lkAzQxNjg4> (1) 4. Re: A "Free-lance" 'S' Intermodal container/trailer handler/lifter <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/41689;_ylc=X3oDMTJwaHFldXV0BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTYwMTUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM0MTY4OQRzZWMDZG1zZwRzbGsDdm1zZwRzdGltZQMxMTU5OTY5MjI1> Posted by: "Tom Hawley" t.hawley@... <mailto:t.hawley@...?Subject= Re%3A%20A%20%22Free-lance%22%20%27S%27%20Intermodal%20container%2Ftrailer%20handler%2Flifter> hawleythos <http://profiles.yahoo.com/hawleythos> Tue Oct 3, 2006 1:28 pm (PST) ----- Original Message ----- From: Randy Griggs . . . . . . . .I have created a photo album at: http://s-scale.org/albums/v/friends/rlgriggs/griggs+intermodal/?g2_navId=x2ead8073 <http://s-scale.org/albums/v/friends/rlgriggs/griggs+intermodal/?g2_navId=x2ead8073> which shows my progress so far.. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Let me know if you have any useful information you might want to share on this subject. Thanks. > > > > > > > > Randy, This is great. It's always good to find another intermodalista in S. What little modern intermodal talk there is in S is usually on the SSTOT yahoo group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SSTOT/?yguid=152716356 <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SSTOT/?yguid=152716356> , but it's good to see it anywhere. There is also an all-scale intermodal group, http://groups.yahoo.com/group/modelintermodal/ <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/modelintermodal/> One of your pictures, http://s-scale.org/albums/v/friends/rlgriggs/griggs+intermodal/Dcp_3328.jpg.html?g2_navId=x2ead8073 <http://s-scale.org/albums/v/friends/rlgriggs/griggs+intermodal/Dcp_3328.jpg.html?g2_navId=x2ead8073> , is captioned "Modern, longer trailers on American Models´ spine cars. Photo is from a fellow S-Gauger´s layout, identity unknown." That's my spine car with MTH Railking trailers, perfect 45 foot S scale trainers. The train is on a club module I think. I wonder if anyone else on the S-Trains list is interested in modern intermodal modelling. Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan Back to top Reply to sender <mailto:t.hawley@...?Subject= Re%3A%20A%20%22Free-lance%22%20%27S%27%20Intermodal%20container%2Ftrailer%20handler%2Flifter> | Reply to group <mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com?Subject= Re%3A%20A%20%22Free-lance%22%20%27S%27%20Intermodal%20container%2Ftrailer%20handler%2Flifter> | Reply via web post <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJwc24xM3BkBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTYwMTUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM0MTY4OQRzZWMDZG1zZwRzbGsDcnBseQRzdGltZQMxMTU5OTY5MjI1?act=reply&messageNum=41689> Messages in this topic <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/41677;_ylc=X3oDMTM1MmNsZThwBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTYwMTUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM0MTY4OQRzZWMDZG1zZwRzbGsDdnRwYwRzdGltZQMxMTU5OTY5MjI1BHRwY0lkAzQxNjc3> (2) 5. Re: Reliance Fire Hall <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/41690;_ylc=X3oDMTJwODYxdWsyBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTYwMTUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM0MTY5MARzZWMDZG1zZwRzbGsDdm1zZwRzdGltZQMxMTU5OTY5MjI1> Posted by: "fredstrainparts@..." fredstrainparts@... <mailto:fredstrainparts@...?Subject= Re%3A%20Reliance%20Fire%20Hall> fredstrainparts <http://profiles.yahoo.com/fredstrainparts> Tue Oct 3, 2006 1:28 pm (PST) Hi all, Well, the Reliance is completely sold out, and as you all know, will be inhabited by "S" people for the most part. Close to 70 tables of the stuff. If you logged onto Mark Preman's website (BTW thanks for the plug Mark) you can read the flyer. Here's the lineup of dealers; Your favorites in "S" Gary Clark Richard Hinkle Paul Rush Frankie Merson Todd Metcalf Jim Patterson Fred Shafer Gary Shutovich John Vanacore Mike Farner Ron Borsella Dick Wachtman The balance of dealers have a mixture of wares to exhibit; Bob Persing Plasticville parts and Flyer Bill Hause Flyer, Lionel, MTH, etc. Wayne Crone Plasticville, Lionel and Flyer Fred Brown Lionel, Books, Toys, and Flyer sometimes Joe Fanara Lionel, Flyer, etc. Ed Stencler Lionel, Flyer, Marx, etc. Charlie Schmitt Lionel parts Matt Hazekamp Lionel boxes and parts For those of you who aren't aware of the particulars (date, time, location) of the show; Location: Reliance Fire Co. Highland Ave. and West Market St. Dates: October 16, 17, and 18 (Mon thru Wed) Open from 9am until 6pm Free parking, clean restrooms, and food on the premises. Any questions before, during or after the show please call me toll-free at 888-494-5821. Looking forward to seeing you all there. 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Group: S-Trains	Message: 41701	From: Al Baker	Date: 10/5/2006
Subject: Re: Next Flyonel Loco

Even though I am a great PENNSY fan, I have a hard time understanding why one would wish for more of the same model engine when we already have a pretty nice one with the original Gilbert line. That is why I am personnally not thrilled to have yet another UP Northern, even though it may be a bit better. I would vote for Lionel (and others) to come out with engines NOT modeled by Gilbert so we can have more variety in what we can select from. If it is Pennsy, why not a C-1 0-8-0, a M1a 4-8-2, or T-1? And with other RR's there are Berkshires and other interesting configurations. How about nice pre-1900 models?? Let's get some variety, not just remake what we already have ! Al Baker Portland --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Haenn <joestrainrepair@...> wrote: > > The next Flyonel AF loco MUST be the Pennsy B6a 0-6-0 > switcher with slope back tender, reliable can motor > and electronic reverse unit, backup light, etc. Great > tooling already exists for this loco, or it can be > easily reverse engineered by the Chinese. > > Joe > > Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613*9 > 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 > Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer > Over 85,000 AF parts in stock; More than 1,300 part lines > American Models ##### S-Helper Service ###### K-Line S Gauge > joestrainrepair@... Master Card/Visa >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41702	From: RCESpeak	Date: 10/5/2006
Subject: MEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Jerry, You knew you'd hear from me or Nicki on this one. Well, from both of us, shame on you!!!!!!!!!! ;-) Barb Re: That Time of the Year! <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/41697;_ylc=X3oDMTJwczJnM21lBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTYwMTUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM0MTY5NwRzZWMDZG1zZwRzbGsDdm1zZwRzdGltZQMxMTYwMDYwNzkw> Posted by: "Jerry Matsick" mtoytrain@... <mailto:mtoytrain@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20That%20Time%20of%20the%20Year%21> jpmatsick <http://profiles.yahoo.com/jpmatsick> Wed Oct 4, 2006 10:07 am (PST) Well we are in that "TIME" of the year that most American Flyer MEN hear that "All Aboard" got to get the trains running again time, York is right around the corner and for those who can't attend, let me invite you to join "AvailableSGauge" on Yahoo, where you can purchase, sell or even trade the special S Gauge items. You can reach the group by going to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/availablesgauge <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/availablesgauge> All are welcome Jerry Matsick Moderator Back to top <mailbox:///C%7C/DOCUMENTS%20AND%20SETTINGS/OWNER/APPLICATION%20DATA/Mozilla/Profiles/default/5mx2uae7.slt/Mail/mail.earthlink.net/Inbox?number=989014744#toc> Reply to sender <mailto:mtoytrain@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20That%20Time%20of%20the%20Year%21> | Reply to group <mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com?Subject=%20Re%3A%20That%20Time%20of%20the%20Year%21> | Reply via web post <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJwdXI4NnZqBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTYwMTUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM0MTY5NwRzZWMDZG1zZwRzbGsDcnBseQRzdGltZQMxMTYwMDYwNzkw?act=reply&messageNum=41697> Messages in this topic <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/41697;_ylc=X3oDMTM1ZTFiaXZoBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTYwMTUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM0MTY5NwRzZWMDZG1zZwRzbGsDdnRwYwRzdGltZQMxMTYwMDYwNzkwBHRwY0lkAzQxNjk3> (1) <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/41698;_ylc=X3oDMTJwcGw1aHQwBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTYwMTUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM0MTY5OARzZWMDZG1zZwRzbGsDdm1zZwRzdGltZQMxMTYwMDYwNzkw>

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41703	From: Roy Inman	Date: 10/5/2006
Subject: Re: [showcaseline] What's coming down the pike??? -ME Too

I know that "Me Too" posts are bad form, but Don, I would echo all of Joe's remarks and add a few questions of my own: -Any further thought of producing an auto carrier? -How about the E7 units? -The KCS F7potential project, is it still in the wings? -And finally, how much would it cost for you to produce some smooth side 85' passenger cars in various road names and configurations? When I win the lottery I will finance the project. Cheers :) Roy Inman From: Joseph Haughney <J.Haughney1@...> Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2006 19:25:21 -0400 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, showcaseline@yahoogroups.com Subject: [showcaseline] What's coming down the pike??? Don, Hope all is well with you and your family. I am trying to put together a capital budget for my train acquisitions next year (Don't mind me just some of my old job before retirement carries over into my family budget). I was wondering if you have any forecasts as to what might be coming down the pike in 07 like a new switch. I figure the steam engine must have probably come in over budget especially with the all of the great follow-on service such as the recall. But the engine is great and I hope you made some profit on the effort and have enough to invest in some new items for the next year. Anyway, just wondering what your thoughts were on potential products that we might see in the future. Regards, Joe Haughney [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41704	From: Bill Lane	Date: 10/5/2006
Subject: Lanes Trains Update again

Hi All, I have just added a new page to my Lanes Trains website. http://www.lanestrains.com It is my work in progress project of detailing my K4 #5495. You can take the scenic route from the first page by going to My Models, Locomotives, and click on the K4 photo. You can also go directly there via the links that are at the bottom of all of the pages. Please give it a look. Let me know if you like what you see. Thank You, Bill Lane Modeling the Mighty Pennsy in 1957 in S Scale since 1988 See my finished models at: http://www.lanestrains.com Look at what has been made in PRR in S Scale! Importing a Brass S Scale PRR X29 & G26 http://www.pennsysmodels.com PRR Builders Photos Bought, Sold & Traded (Trading is MUCH preferred) http://mywebpages.comcast.net/billlane/PRRphotos.xls ***Join the PRR T&HS*** The other members are not ALL like me! http://www.prrths.com http://mywebpages.comcast.net/billlane/PRRTHS_Application.pdf See my Altoona train videos here http://www.myspace.com/billlane

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41705	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 10/5/2006
Subject: Re: Next Lyonel AF Loco

----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 9:55 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Next Flyonel Loco The next Flyonel AF loco MUST be the Pennsy B6a 0-6-0 switcher with slope back tender. . . . . . . . . > > > > > > > --------Response----------- Whenever people talk about where S is going and note that few young people aren't coming into the hobby, someone will point out that most young people want to see models of what they see on the real world's rails. I suggest we think about the future, and what might help others to see trains as an attractive hobby. An AC4400CW, https://www.getransportation.com/general/locomotives/loco_models.asp, would be even better than the EMD SD40-2 I previously suggested. Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41706	From: Joseph Haughney	Date: 10/5/2006
Subject: What's coming down the pike, Don Thompson???

Don, Hope all is well with you and your family. I am trying to put together a capital budget for my train acquisitions next year (Don't mind me just some of my old job before retirement carries over into my family budget). I was wondering if you have any forecasts as to what might be coming down the pike in 07 like a new switch. I figure the steam engine must have probably come in over budget especially with the all of the great follow-on service such as the recall. But the engine is great and I hope you made some profit on the effort and have enough to invest in some new items for the next year. Anyway, just wondering what your thoughts were on potential products that we might see in the future. Regards, Joe Haughney [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41707	From: WEG138@aol.com	Date: 10/5/2006
Subject: Re: Next Flyonel Loco

With the next Flyonel discussion there was a reference to an 0-6-0. Please refresh my memory. Didn't Putt trains make one? If any of you have one please advise how about it's performance. Thanks! Bill Greaves [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41708	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 10/5/2006
Subject: Re: Next Flyonel Loco

In a message dated 10/5/2006 12:48:10 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, WEG138@... writes: With the next Flyonel discussion ---------Didn't Putt trains make one? BUT, it didn't say "American Flyer, made in China" on it. HAS to say that. Can't buy it IF it doesn;t say "American Flyer" made somewhere by someone with NO connection to the original company. HAS to have the name. Quality is not an issue either. Single biggest problem with "S" today. Quality (definitely higher with rolling stock) goods made by other than Flyonel are a real tough sell. Jim (an original) Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41709	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 10/5/2006
Subject: Re: Apology to the Lady S Gaugers!

Well got to issue an apology to Barb and Nicki, when I invited all Railroading MEN to join AvailableSGauge I goofed! Barb let me have it real good, so please post this OPEN Apology to Barb and Nicki! Jerry Matsick Modeerator AvailableSGauge PS Also to any other SWEET "S" Ladies out there yall come on and join up with AvailableSgauge!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41710	From: Michael T Kolosseus	Date: 10/5/2006
Subject: AF list of trains for sale

Hi Flyer Fans. Need NP passenger sets, original circus tickets or just common items? My new S-list of Flyer trains for sale is now available. Over 60 additional items have been discounted this month. If you have not received a copy, contact me and I will email a list to you.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41711	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 10/5/2006
Subject: Re: Next Flyonel Engine!

The greatest tribute to remembering AC Gilbert would be the rebirth of what I believe is the greatest steam engine ever: "THE HUDSON" in S Scale with TMCC/Railsounds 5.0 Jerry Matsick Jax S Ville

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41712	From: Edward G.	Date: 10/5/2006
Subject: Re: Apology to the Lady S Gaugers... If I dood it Maybe I be so

AWwwwwwwwwwwww Jerry Dont apologize.....its a sign of weakness...LOL...Besides send those girls back to their rooms to play with their Barbies, Easy bake ovens and dollies ..(where they belong)..or we will wind up with another generation of pastel colored engines and yukkie stuff that the guys wont like ..... Why do i get the impression Barb is going to be ringing my chimes ..Hummmmmmm...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41713	From: Rick Evans	Date: 10/5/2006
Subject: : Apology to the Lady S Gaugers... If I dood it Maybe I be sorr

***(((AWwwwwwwwwwwww Jerry Dont apologize.....its a sign of weakness...LOL...Besides send those girls back to their rooms to play with their Barbies, Easy bake ovens and dollies ..(where they belong)..or we will wind up with another generation of pastel colored engines and yukkie stuff that the guys wont like ..... Why do i get the impression Barb is going to be ringing my chimes ..Hummmmmmm...)))**** Just for the record,...... I don't know Edward, never met Edward, never been to a train show with him,....... it's ALL a rumour, that I drank Canadian beer with him!!!! ;^) Rick. S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41714	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 10/5/2006
Subject: Re: Apology to the Lady S Gaugers... If I dood it Maybe I be so

JERRY.......The only way you can appoligize is IF THEY ARE THERE IN YORK IN PERSON!!!!!!!! Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: Edward G. To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2006 4:06 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Apology to the Lady S Gaugers... If I dood it Maybe I be sorry....Nawwww AWwwwwwwwwwwww Jerry Dont apologize.....its a sign of weakness...LOL...Besides send those girls back to their rooms to play with their Barbies, Easy bake ovens and dollies ..(where they belong)..or we will wind up with another generation of pastel colored engines and yukkie stuff that the guys wont like ..... Why do i get the impression Barb is going to be ringing my chimes ..Hummmmmmm... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41715	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 10/5/2006
Subject: Train show at Berea (near Cleveland) Ohio

This weekend, Saturday 7 Oct 10 AM - 5 PM and Sunday 8 Oct 11 AM - 4 PM The "Carnival 06 - Model Train Show" will be held at the Cuyahoga County Fairgrounds on Bagley Rd, just off I-71 in Berea Ohio. I'll be there with all the goods. Tom Hawley -- Michigan Models [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41716	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 10/5/2006
Subject: Fw: UPS Delivery

----- Original Message ----- From: Michael and Linda Marmer To: Toy Trains ; s-trains@yahoogroups.com ; Ralph Loveless Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2006 7:25 PM Subject: UPS Delivery Today I received a delivery from UPS on a AF item on won on EBay last week. My wife had just pulled into a parking space in front of our house, when the UPS truck showed up. She saw the UPS guy run out of the truck, while yapping on his cell phone and when he reach the sidewalk, he tossed the box! And then before my wife could get out of the car, he ran back to his truck, while still on the phone and sped away. Luckily, the item was well packed and no damage done to the car, which I paid a $112 for. I think a phone call to UPS is in order from me. If this guy did this to my package, just how many times does he do this to others? Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41717	From: Bill Lane	Date: 10/5/2006
Subject: Brooks Stover layout photos

Hi All, We were lucky enough to have Brooks Stover join the Yahoo S Scale list recently. I have used some of the photos I took of his layout on the group home page. I have uploaded ALL of them to these 2 links as ZIP files. You may as well not download them if you do not have a ZIP program. I have used WinZip for years. http://www.winzip.com You MAY have to set up your own profile on www.yousendit.com to get the download. Of course downloading the files is free. http://www.yousendit.com/download/36FxUTCCYZc%3D http://www.yousendit.com/download/36HFBTFwYZc%3D The links will be good for 1 week from today or 100 downloads whichever comes first. Once they are downloaded unzip them and you will have the 162 photos I took while I has there on the layout tour. All the photos are 2.25 MB so you should be on high speed internet. If you went you know that is difficult to take a bad photo on his layout. If you did not go you missed seeing an awesome layout. My photos are for your personal use and may not be published without my permission. Thank You, Bill Lane Modeling the Mighty Pennsy in 1957 in S Scale since 1988 See my finished models at: http://www.lanestrains.com Look at what has been made in PRR in S Scale! Importing a Brass S Scale PRR X29 & G26 http://www.pennsysmodels.com PRR Builders Photos Bought, Sold & Traded (Trading is MUCH preferred) http://mywebpages.comcast.net/billlane/PRRphotos.xls ***Join the PRR T&HS*** The other members are not ALL like me! http://www.prrths.com http://mywebpages.comcast.net/billlane/PRRTHS_Application.pdf See my Altoona train videos here http://www.myspace.com/billlane

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41718	From: mtoytrain@bellsouth.net	Date: 10/5/2006
Subject: Re: Fw: UPS Delivery

Mike and fellow trainmen! I have seen this and reported it and I think we all need to do that! Thank goodness the packages are well packed or we would have piles of junk being delivered. Jerry M > > From: "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> > Date: 2006/10/05 Thu PM 07:32:38 EDT > To: "Toy Trains" <toytrains@yahoogroups.com>, > <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [S-Trains] Fw: UPS Delivery > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Michael and Linda Marmer > To: Toy Trains ; s-trains@yahoogroups.com ; Ralph Loveless > Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2006 7:25 PM > Subject: UPS Delivery > > > Today I received a delivery from UPS on a AF item on won on EBay last week. > > My wife had just pulled into a parking space in front of our house, when the UPS truck showed up. > > She saw the UPS guy run out of the truck, while yapping on his cell phone and when he reach the sidewalk, he tossed the box! And then before my wife could get out of the car, he ran back to his truck, while still on the phone and sped away. > > Luckily, the item was well packed and no damage done to the car, which I paid a $112 for. > > I think a phone call to UPS is in order from me. > > If this guy did this to my package, just how many times does he do this to others? > > Mike Marmer > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41719	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 10/5/2006
Subject: Re: Fw: UPS Delivery

UPS will be getting a phone call and a email, as you have no idea where the phone call will go, but at least, a email might make the complaint more official and get more notice, since it is on record at the companies computer. This happen to me, with several complaint to the county government on county bus drivers doing stupid things. I have no idea where the phone calls ended up, if at all, but the last time, I had a issue with a bus driver, I sent a email. I got a response. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: <mtoytrain@...> To: "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...>; "Toy Trains" <toytrains@yahoogroups.com>; <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2006 8:45 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Fw: UPS Delivery > Mike and fellow trainmen! > > I have seen this and reported it and I think we all need to do that! > Thank goodness the packages > are well packed or we would have piles of junk being delivered. > > Jerry M > >> >> From: "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> >> Date: 2006/10/05 Thu PM 07:32:38 EDT >> To: "Toy Trains" <toytrains@yahoogroups.com>, >> <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> >> Subject: [S-Trains] Fw: UPS Delivery >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Michael and Linda Marmer >> To: Toy Trains ; s-trains@yahoogroups.com ; Ralph Loveless >> Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2006 7:25 PM >> Subject: UPS Delivery >> >> >> Today I received a delivery from UPS on a AF item on won on EBay last >> week. >> >> My wife had just pulled into a parking space in front of our house, when >> the UPS truck showed up. >> >> She saw the UPS guy run out of the truck, while yapping on his cell phone >> and when he reach the sidewalk, he tossed the box! And then before my >> wife could get out of the car, he ran back to his truck, while still on >> the phone and sped away. >> >> Luckily, the item was well packed and no damage done to the car, which I >> paid a $112 for. >> >> I think a phone call to UPS is in order from me. >> >> If this guy did this to my package, just how many times does he do this >> to others? >> >> Mike Marmer >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> >> >> >> > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41720	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 10/5/2006
Subject: Re: Apology to the Lady S Gaugers... If I dood it Maybe I ...

Even us "country boys" know better than to p--- off the women folk. Jim "livin' in Amish country" Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41721	From: paflyrman	Date: 10/6/2006
Subject: Reliance Fire Hall Show Hours?

NE1 know the hours for this show? The flyer gives the dates, but does not state the hours. paflyrman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41722	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 10/6/2006
Subject: Re: Fw: UPS Delivery

You may get a response but it won't change anything. Thank you Larry Jackman Boca Raton FL ljack70117@... On Oct 5, 2006, at 9:47 PM, Michael and Linda Marmer wrote: > UPS will be getting a phone call and a email, as you have no idea > where the > phone call will go, but at least, a email might make the complaint > more > official and get more notice, since it is on record at the companies > computer. > > This happen to me, with several complaint to the county government > on county > bus drivers doing stupid things. I have no idea where the phone > calls > ended up, if at all, but the last time, I had a issue with a bus > driver, I > sent a email. > > I got a response. > > Mike Marmer > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <mtoytrain@...> > To: "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...>; "Toy Trains" > <toytrains@yahoogroups.com>; <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2006 8:45 PM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Fw: UPS Delivery > > >> Mike and fellow trainmen! >> >> I have seen this and reported it and I think we all need to do that! >> Thank goodness the packages >> are well packed or we would have piles of junk being delivered. >> >> Jerry M >> >>> >>> From: "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> >>> Date: 2006/10/05 Thu PM 07:32:38 EDT >>> To: "Toy Trains" <toytrains@yahoogroups.com>, >>> <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> >>> Subject: [S-Trains] Fw: UPS Delivery >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Michael and Linda Marmer >>> To: Toy Trains ; s-trains@yahoogroups.com ; Ralph Loveless >>> Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2006 7:25 PM >>> Subject: UPS Delivery >>> >>> >>> Today I received a delivery from UPS on a AF item on won on EBay >>> last >>> week. >>> >>> My wife had just pulled into a parking space in front of our >>> house, when >>> the UPS truck showed up. >>> >>> She saw the UPS guy run out of the truck, while yapping on his >>> cell phone >>> and when he reach the sidewalk, he tossed the box! And then >>> before my >>> wife could get out of the car, he ran back to his truck, while >>> still on >>> the phone and sped away. >>> >>> Luckily, the item was well packed and no damage done to the car, >>> which I >>> paid a $112 for. >>> >>> I think a phone call to UPS is in order from me. >>> >>> If this guy did this to my package, just how many times does he >>> do this >>> to others? >>> >>> Mike Marmer >>> >>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41723	From: Jeff Silvera	Date: 10/6/2006
Subject: Train Meet

Saturday is our annual River City Toy Train Meet, Yes there will be S Gauge, American Flyer! In Sacramento, Ca. at the Scottish Rite Center, 6151 H Street from 10AM to 3PM. The event is sponsor by the Sacramento Valley TTOS For Info call, Jeff Silvera (916) 481-4694 afjeff_56@... Thank's

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41724	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 10/6/2006
Subject: Re: Reliance Fire Hall Show Hours?

9 TO 4 I THINK.... BOB ----- Original Message ----- From: paflyrman To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 8:00 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Reliance Fire Hall Show Hours? NE1 know the hours for this show? The flyer gives the dates, but does not state the hours. paflyrman [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41725	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 10/6/2006
Subject: Re: Fw: UPS Delivery

Maybe things are different in Florida, but last month our UPS PM pick up driver was written up for not having his seatbelt on while driving. He seemed pretty rattled the next day and was not sure if he would lose his job. He kept on muttering 17 years without an offense and now he might lose his job. Don ljack70117@... wrote: > You may get a response but it won't change anything. > Thank you > Larry Jackman > Boca Raton FL > ljack70117@... <mailto:ljack70117%40adelphia.net> > > ....She saw the UPS guy run out of the truck, while yapping on his > cell phone and when he reach the sidewalk, he tossed the box! > > . > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41726	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 10/6/2006
Subject: OPEN HOUSE - TOY TRAINS UNLIMITED, Correction

Correction on the time. We will be there till 5:30 OPEN HOUSE OPEN HOUSE OPEN HOUSE (FOR YOU EARLY YORK TCA MEMBERS) WEDNESDAY, OCTOBER 18, 2006 1:00 - 5:30 PM TOY TRAINS UNLIMITED 28 YORK STREET HANOVER, PA 17331 (On the right coming into downtown Hanover with the SF train flag hanging out front) 1-717-637-4717 (VERY S GAUGE FRIENDLY & 0 ga. too!) (Only 30 minutes west of York) LIGHT FOOD, DRINKS & PLENTY OF GOOD CONVERSATION [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41727	From: muniman18	Date: 10/6/2006
Subject: AF CATALOGUES

Need help in finding the web site where someone had all the af catalogues listed computer crash and lost it thx Mike

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41728	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 10/6/2006
Subject: Re: Reliance Fire Hall Show Hours?

The Reliance Fire Hall in York, PA is open Monday thru Wednesday from 9:00am to 6:00pm. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: paflyrman To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 8:00 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Reliance Fire Hall Show Hours? NE1 know the hours for this show? The flyer gives the dates, but does not state the hours. paflyrman [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41729	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 10/6/2006
Subject: Re: Reliance Fire Hall Show Hours?

Barry King & Fred Jester are the sponsors and they say it is open til 6:00pm. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com ; paflyrman Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 9:08 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Reliance Fire Hall Show Hours? 9 TO 4 I THINK.... BOB ----- Original Message ----- From: paflyrman To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 8:00 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Reliance Fire Hall Show Hours? NE1 know the hours for this show? The flyer gives the dates, but does not state the hours. paflyrman [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41730	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 10/6/2006
Subject: Re: Fw: UPS Delivery

My friend works for them in Seattle Wa. Yes, the seat belt is a very serious infraction. The union means nothing. UPS does as they please. Throwing packages is normal business practice. If some thing breaks it is your fault because you did not pack it well enough. Thank you Larry Jackman Boca Raton FL ljack70117@... On Oct 6, 2006, at 8:44 AM, Donald Thompson wrote: > Maybe things are different in Florida, but last month our UPS PM > pick up driver was written up for not having his seatbelt on while > driving. He seemed pretty rattled the next day and was not sure if he > would lose his job. He kept on muttering 17 years without an offense > and now he might lose his job. > Don > > ljack70117@... wrote: > >> You may get a response but it won't change anything. >> Thank you >> Larry Jackman >> Boca Raton FL >> ljack70117@... <mailto:ljack70117%40adelphia.net> >> >> ....She saw the UPS guy run out of the truck, while yapping on his >> cell phone and when he reach the sidewalk, he tossed the box! >> >> . >> >> > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41731	From: Doug Peck	Date: 10/6/2006
Subject: Re: Fw: UPS Delivery

As I began to read your note, and before I reached your last line, out loud I said "Oh my God, I'd report him!". And I would, if I indeed saw that happen. I have UPS here twice a day, minimum, so I know my drivers well, and I have to say I have NO complaints with them....they're terrific. But I also used to teach with a fellow who worked part-time at the area UPS terminal where everything comes off the trucks and gets sorted onto the appropriate conveyors to be dispatched. And he told me that the package treatment in those facilities is terrible, because the guys doing the sorting are timed.......if they don't "process" a certain number of packages onto the correct conveyors per hour, they're gone! So packages get tossed around routinely as a result. <<<<She saw the UPS guy run out of the truck, while yapping on his cell phone and when he reach the sidewalk, he tossed the box! And then before my wife could get out of the car, he ran back to his truck, while still on the phone and sped away. Luckily, the item was well packed and no damage done to the car, which I paid a $112 for. I think a phone call to UPS is in order from me. >>>> Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours: Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, & Saturdays--- 2-5 PM (EST) 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: www.portlines.com <http://www.portlines.com/> E-mail: doug@... VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41732	From: Phil K	Date: 10/6/2006
Subject: Re: Fw: UPS Delivery

This type of irresponsible thing -- coupled with extremely POOR customer service -- is exactly why I switched my business' $40,000 per year shipping account from UPS to DHL last July. For 18 years of that kind of spending from me, UPS acted as if they didn't care whether they kept my business or not. But now finally there's an alternative -- DHL -- and suddenly, UPS is being warm and fuzzy trying to get me to switch back. Phil K ****************************************************************** --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > UPS will be getting a phone call and a email, as you have no idea where the > phone call will go, but at least, a email might make the complaint more > official and get more notice, since it is on record at the companies > computer. > > This happen to me, with several complaint to the county government on county > bus drivers doing stupid things. I have no idea where the phone calls > ended up, if at all, but the last time, I had a issue with a bus driver, I > sent a email. > > I got a response. > > Mike Marmer > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <mtoytrain@...> > To: "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...>; "Toy Trains" > <toytrains@yahoogroups.com>; <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2006 8:45 PM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Fw: UPS Delivery > > > > Mike and fellow trainmen! > > > > I have seen this and reported it and I think we all need to do that! > > Thank goodness the packages > > are well packed or we would have piles of junk being delivered. > > > > Jerry M > > > >> > >> From: "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> > >> Date: 2006/10/05 Thu PM 07:32:38 EDT > >> To: "Toy Trains" <toytrains@yahoogroups.com>, > >> <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> > >> Subject: [S-Trains] Fw: UPS Delivery > >> > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: Michael and Linda Marmer > >> To: Toy Trains ; s-trains@yahoogroups.com ; Ralph Loveless > >> Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2006 7:25 PM > >> Subject: UPS Delivery > >> > >> > >> Today I received a delivery from UPS on a AF item on won on EBay last > >> week. > >> > >> My wife had just pulled into a parking space in front of our house, when > >> the UPS truck showed up. > >> > >> She saw the UPS guy run out of the truck, while yapping on his cell phone > >> and when he reach the sidewalk, he tossed the box! And then before my > >> wife could get out of the car, he ran back to his truck, while still on > >> the phone and sped away. > >> > >> Luckily, the item was well packed and no damage done to the car, which I > >> paid a $112 for. > >> > >> I think a phone call to UPS is in order from me. > >> > >> If this guy did this to my package, just how many times does he do this > >> to others? > >> > >> Mike Marmer > >> > >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41733	From: Rick Evans	Date: 10/6/2006
Subject: Re: AF CATALOGUES

****(((((Need help in finding the web site where someone had all the af catalogues listed computer crash and lost it thx Mike)))***** This it?: http://www.myflyertrains.org/AF_Catalogs/Gilbert%20Catalogs.htm Rick. S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41734	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 10/6/2006
Subject: Re: A York Reminder!! TRAINS!!!

Glen Rock Fire Department Open House 5 super permanent layouts, in N, HO, S, O and Large Scale Thursday October 19th 7 to 9 PM Glen Rock is about 20 minutes south of York You do not want to pass up an opportunity to see these great layouts. Jerry Matsick

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41735	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 10/6/2006
Subject: Re: UPS

UPS' ins. is for loss not damage. They get you to ins. a package thinking you get your $ back if it is damaged but is's for loss only. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41736	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 10/6/2006
Subject: Re: UPS

I think that is true for the US Postal system, when we buy insurance. I hope someone will correct me if I am wrong. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: anormal1@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 4:19 PM Subject: [S-Trains] RE: UPS UPS' ins. is for loss not damage. They get you to ins. a package thinking you get your $ back if it is damaged but is's for loss only. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41737	From: Robert A Persing	Date: 10/6/2006
Subject: Re: UPS

Postal service does pay when item is damaged,I have had this happen to me. Bob Persing ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael and Linda Marmer To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com ; anormal1@... Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 7:10 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: UPS I think that is true for the US Postal system, when we buy insurance. I hope someone will correct me if I am wrong. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: anormal1@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 4:19 PM Subject: [S-Trains] RE: UPS UPS' ins. is for loss not damage. They get you to ins. a package thinking you get your $ back if it is damaged but is's for loss only. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41738	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 10/7/2006
Subject: Re;UPS

Locally we seem to have pretty good UPS drivers, and neither myself or the hobby shop has had much trouble with UPS or the post office. I DO get a battered package from time to time, but fortunately the contents have been well packed. We have noticed the quality of UPS drivers IS going down, however. As to the issue of UPS being hard to work for...this is no secret around here. The hours and often the working conditions suck. They will go to incredible lengths to nail drivers for anything. I know of one incident where a truck got hung up on the transition from a level street to a steep hill street and they tried to charge the driver with an "accident" which is firing offense. In another incident a driver was hit head on by a drunk, causing both vehicles to catch on fire. The belted in UPS driver was knocked out and fortunately was pulled from the wreckage by other motorists before he burned with the truck. UPS tried to charge HIM with the accident and then tried to say he was not wearing a seat belt. They were going to fire him in his hospital room! Gee, maybe this sort of stuff is why the quality of drivers is declining.......However, this is still no excuse for rough handling of packages. Stumpy Stone...off to work at the hobby shop...Martins Ferry, OH.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41739	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 10/7/2006
Subject: Re: UPS

After you prove you packed it to with stand a 30 foot throw and a 20 foot drop. Thank you Larry Jackman Boca Raton FL ljack70117@... On Oct 6, 2006, at 10:14 PM, Robert A Persing wrote: > Postal service does pay when item is damaged,I have had this happen > to me. Bob Persing > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Michael and Linda Marmer > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com ; anormal1@... > Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 7:10 PM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: UPS > > > I think that is true for the US Postal system, when we buy > insurance. > > I hope someone will correct me if I am wrong. > > Mike Marmer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: anormal1@... > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 4:19 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] RE: UPS > > UPS' ins. is for loss not damage. They get you to ins. a package > thinking > you get your $ back if it is damaged but is's for loss only. Mike > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41740	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 10/7/2006
Subject: Re: UPS

I on the other hand have had the post office pay for damage. I think it might have to do with the amt of damage claimed. I was told if my claim was under $50 it would be handled at the local office. If over that amt. It had to be sent back east. I had to get a price for the part (Front pilot for a 343) from a parts dealer & the labor cost. I settled for the part. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41741	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 10/7/2006
Subject: Re: UPS

It's not that hard. You just have to call in CSI & prove the tire marks are not yours:) Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41742	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 10/7/2006
Subject: Re: UPS

Pack it good. Fed-ex and the DHL(or what ever their name is) are the same. All they do is guarantee to get it there but no word on how many pieces. Thank you Larry Jackman Boca Raton FL ljack70117@... On Oct 6, 2006, at 7:10 PM, Michael and Linda Marmer wrote: > I think that is true for the US Postal system, when we buy insurance. > > I hope someone will correct me if I am wrong. > > Mike Marmer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: anormal1@... > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 4:19 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] RE: UPS > > > UPS' ins. is for loss not damage. They get you to ins. a package > thinking > you get your $ back if it is damaged but is's for loss only. Mike > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41743	From: muniman18	Date: 10/7/2006
Subject: 800 all aboard

Gotta share this with all of you. I am one happy guy. Ijustbought a 800 all aboard set the seller said it was never out of the box...and was right .everything {I HAD TO LOOK} was there and pristene.down to the track locks,pins and the smoke funnel,and capsule. all the signs billboards picket fences trees looked like tey were put in yesterday.even the wooden block seperating the engine from the tender was there.The track panels {8} are also as mint as you can get. the 24631 caboose was a delight.Thanks to Alan and Doug We are selling our house and this is the last thing I needed but..... Oh well ...sometimes ya gotta do what ya gotta do thanks ,I just had to tell someone and I'm sure you will all understand Mike

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41744	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 10/7/2006
Subject: Re: Re;UPS

Also a lot of the package car drivers are working 60 hours a week. Thank you Larry Jackman Boca Raton FL ljack70117@... On Oct 7, 2006, at 7:58 AM, Stumpy Stone wrote: > Locally we seem to have pretty good UPS drivers, and neither myself > or the hobby shop has had much trouble with UPS or the post office. > I DO get a battered package from time to time, but fortunately the > contents have been well packed. We have noticed the quality of UPS > drivers IS going down, however. > As to the issue of UPS being hard to work for...this is no secret > around here. The hours and often the working conditions suck. They > will go to incredible lengths to nail drivers for anything. I know > of one incident where a truck got hung up on the transition from a > level street to a steep hill street and they tried to charge the > driver with an "accident" which is firing offense. In another > incident a driver was hit head on by a drunk, causing both vehicles > to catch on fire. The belted in UPS driver was knocked out and > fortunately was pulled from the wreckage by other motorists before he > burned with the truck. UPS tried to charge HIM with the accident and > then tried to say he was not wearing a seat belt. They were going to > fire him in his hospital room! > Gee, maybe this sort of stuff is why the quality of drivers is > declining.......However, this is still no excuse for rough handling > of packages. > Stumpy Stone...off to work at the hobby shop...Martins Ferry, OH. > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41745	From: Jeff Silvera	Date: 10/7/2006
Subject: River City Toy Train Meet ( TODAY)

Today is our annual River City Toy Train Meet, Yes there will be S Gauge, American Flyer! In Sacramento, Ca. Saturday at the Scottish Rite Center, 6151 H Street, from 10AM to 3PM. The event is sponsor by the Sacramento Valley TTOS. Thank's, Jeff S......

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41746	From: muniman18	Date: 10/7/2006
Subject: re catalogues

Got it thx you people are the best. keep chugging Mike

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41747	From: G C	Date: 10/7/2006
Subject: Locomotive 21085 Prototype ?

American Flyer No. 21085 was made to represent a CNW Pacific, but what specific class of Pacific was the prototype for this engine? From photos of CNW steam on the net, it appears to have been perhaps an E-3. Is that correct? --------------------------------- How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger’s low PC-to-Phone call rates. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41748	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/7/2006
Subject: Sunday Chat, 10/8/2006, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 41749	From: colleenandrob	Date: 10/7/2006
Subject: Box help

I recently bought a car that came with the original box. The box came apart at the seam and will lay completely flat. The box has some curves and is slightly mishapen. We have a small paper press at home that my wife uses and I'm wondering if anyone has attemped to straighten the cardboard used in making AF boxes. I think I just might put it in the press one section at a time (press won't hold entire box and let it sit for a few days and see what I get. What do you think if I dampen the box with water very, very lightly? Has anyone attemped to do something like this? As usual thank you for any help you can give me! This is the only place I go for honest answers. Thank you all, Rob

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41750	From: paflyrman	Date: 10/7/2006
Subject: AF Loco Wrapper Cutouts

Forgive me if this has been covered before, but does NE1 know the purpose of the rectangular cutouts found in some of the corrogated engine wrappers? Thanks in advance. Paflyrman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41751	From: Gerald Dobbs	Date: 10/8/2006
Subject: Glen Rock Fire Department Open House

Glen Rock Fire Department Open House 5 super permanent layouts, in N, HO, S, O and Large Scale Thursday October 19th 7 to 9 PM Glen Rock is about 20 minutes south of York You do not want to pass up an opportunity to see these great layouts. DON'T miss this one. One of my best trips to York was a visit to Glen Rock and Gene Austine's shop, The bike ride from York To Baltimore. The pizza is the best also. A bike ride along the C & O Canal with my own guide Mike Marmer and his lovely wife Linda. York was OK. But the rest of the trip was special. I will never forget this one. Jerry 77-11644 All the way from Colorado

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41752	From: Keith Blanchard	Date: 10/8/2006
Subject: New Instructions Page, Sort of an advert

Hi Gang, We have posted a page to show an exmple of how Pine Canyon kits go together. Hopefully, this page will show how easy the kits are to build and remove any fear of giving it a try. The instructions have a few tips for everyone. They are generic instructions, not specific to any one kit. The actual kit instructions go into a bit more detail. Hope you like the new page. We will be doing more of this as time allows. Here is a link. http://www.pinecanyonscalemodels.com/instructions.htm Still working hard on the new S projects, Keith Blanchard

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41753	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 10/8/2006
Subject: Re: LTI UP 4-8-4 NORTHERN #6-48047

Anyone know the MSRP of the #6-48047 UP Northern? Thank You, Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41754	From: manderman	Date: 10/8/2006
Subject: Re: Box help

Hi Rob, I don't know how archivally sound this idea is... but I have had good luck using a hot steam iron to flatten boxes such as you describe. A couple shot of steam an a good hot iron work very well for me. After steaming and ironing I press the item under a load of books. I use a couple of sheets of wax paper on each side of the box so it doesn't stick to what ever flat item I press it with. I then use Elmer's glue to reassemble. Hope this helps. Mark Anderman I recently bought a car that came with the original box. The box came apart at the seam and will lay completely flat. The box has some curves and is slightly mishapen. We have a small paper press at home that my wife uses and I'm wondering if anyone has attemped to straighten the cardboard used in making AF boxes. I think I just might put it in the press one section at a time (press won't hold entire box and let it sit for a few days and see what I get. What do you think if I dampen the box with water very, very lightly? Has anyone attemped to do something like this? As usual thank you for any help you can give me! This is the only place I go for honest answers. Thank you all, Rob

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41755	From: Art Shifrin	Date: 10/8/2006
Subject: AC Gilbert 78 rpm disk on ebay

Hi Gang, I'm not seriously interested in Gilbert's pre-AF history & the contents of this disk apparently do not fall within my musical interests. So for those of you who are, you might be interested in 180036781634. If any of you obtain it and want to have the contents digitized, then let me know. Best, Shiffy www.shifrin.net <http://www.shifrin.net/> <mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41756	From: Phil K	Date: 10/9/2006
Subject: Re: LTI UP 4-8-4 NORTHERN #6-48047

$474.99 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, anormal1@... wrote: > > Anyone know the MSRP of the #6-48047 UP Northern? Thank You, Mike > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41757	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 10/9/2006
Subject: Re: Northern MSRPs.

MSRP for 6-48047 (black) is $449.99. MSRP for 6-48054 (gray) is $474.99. Bob Bubeck In a message dated 10/9/2006 5:49:45 AM Eastern Daylight Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes: Anyone know the MSRP of the #6-48047 UP Northern? Thank You, Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41758	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 10/9/2006
Subject: Re: Glen Rock Fire Department Open House

Thanks Jerry Dobbs for the kind words, as we enjoyed meeting you and having dinner with you all twice back in 2003. That is one of the nice things about these list, you might get to meet some wonderful people. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: Gerald Dobbs To: mtoytrain@... ; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 1:48 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Glen Rock Fire Department Open House Glen Rock Fire Department Open House 5 super permanent layouts, in N, HO, S, O and Large Scale Thursday October 19th 7 to 9 PM Glen Rock is about 20 minutes south of York You do not want to pass up an opportunity to see these great layouts. DON'T miss this one. One of my best trips to York was a visit to Glen Rock and Gene Austine's shop, The bike ride from York To Baltimore. The pizza is the best also. A bike ride along the C & O Canal with my own guide Mike Marmer and his lovely wife Linda. York was OK. But the rest of the trip was special. I will never forget this one. Jerry 77-11644 All the way from Colorado [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41760	From: Roy Inman	Date: 10/10/2006
Subject: Re: DIAPHRAGMS FOR AM BUDD CARS

Scenery Unlimited shows them in the catalog. Don't know who the manufacturer is, but I seem to recall that they are about $7.00 a pair. Roy Inman From: Allen Evans <allen.evans@...> Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 06:14:09 +0000 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] DIAPHRAGMS FOR AM BUDD CARS Can anyone tell me who are the vendors of the rubber diaphragms for the American Models Budd passenger cars? Thanks W. Allen Evans Crescent City S Gaugers New Orleans, Louisiana [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41761	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 10/10/2006
Subject: (no subject)

Anyone know about a 306 NYC tender with 6 wheel trucks & air whistle? Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41762	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 10/10/2006
Subject: Re: SSS TRAINS

I seem to remember someone looking for SSS Trains. If so I have had contact with Tom from there, Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41763	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 10/10/2006
Subject: Re: Union Pacific #809 pulled in today

Wow! ! The new Lionel "Gray" Union Pacific Northern pulled into my station today, what a great engine, Sounds and operation are just great! It is "sharply detailed" and the Paint job is super. Jerry Matsick Jax S Ville

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41764	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 10/10/2006
Subject: RE 314AW

Anyone have a 314AW TENDER (REAS) for sale? Contact me off list, Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41765	From: Wayne Zebron	Date: 10/10/2006
Subject: gargraves track

I'm looking to rebuild my layout and would like to get 30 to 50 section of flex sections. Can anyone suggest a source with a good price? Wayne --------------------------------- Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41766	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 10/11/2006
Subject: NORTHERN

HEY GUYS...... THE NORTHERN IS REALLY NICE...... HAVE 1 FOR SALE...... 400.00 PLUS SHIPPING.... BOB [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41767	From: nsupbnsf@juno.com	Date: 10/11/2006
Subject: Lookout Junction on Display

Lookout Junction, the American Flyer award winning layout, is constantly improving, and this weekend, October 14 and 15, 2006, it is coming to Idaho Falls, Idaho. It's pretty simple to find the show at the Idaho Falls Recreation Center, 520 Memorial Drive (Come into Idaho Falls on Interstate 15, take Exit 118, east on Broadway/US 20-91, left on Memorial to B Street). Saturday Show: 9-5 Sunday Show: 10-2 Admission charge $3 Alan Udy Idaho Falls, ID [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41768	From: jbarcia99	Date: 10/11/2006
Subject: SHS switch and NCE Snap-It

I am having trouble wiring my switch SHS #3 right hand R/C switch, SHS #00298A to my SNAP-IT. The switch has for wires coming from it, three for the switch and one for the light. I was wondering if anyone was familiar with this switch can help me wire it up. It sounds simple to wire but when I make all of the connections I get no movement from the switch at all. I tried adding a capacitor and I still got no response. Is this the proper decoder for this switch? Thanks for your help. Joe

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41769	From: Mark Preman	Date: 10/11/2006
Subject: ODDS & ENDS For Sale

Hey gang, I have added a new page to the website to handle closeouts, one of a kinds, whosits, whatsits, odds, ends, and where did you get that?s. Click on the ODDS & ENDS tab at the the top of the home page at http://www.americanflyertrains.com Mark Mark B. Preman AmericanFlyerTrains.com --------------------------------- Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41770	From: JOHN EICHMANN	Date: 10/11/2006
Subject: Idaho Falls Show

Dear S Friends, The Rocky Mountain Hi-Railers will be traveling across the state to display our famous layout, Lookout Junction, at "Railshow 2006" in Idaho Falls, Idaho on Saturday and Sunday, October 14-15. Sponsored by the Eagle Rock Railroad Historical Society, the show's hours will be 9 a.m. - 5 p.m. on Saturday, and 10 a.m. - 2 p.m. on Sunday. The event will be held at the Idaho Falls Recreation Center in downtown Idaho Falls at 520 Memorial Drive, right on the Snake River. Admission is $3 per person, and free to kids 12 and under. This is our first foray to Eastern Idaho, and it presents an opportunity to see our layout in action, especially for our friends in Montana, Wyoming, and Utah. Lookout Junction, one of the two S layouts presented at the 2004 National Train Show, is new and improved, including the addition of roadbed and a totally new lighting system. Bring a train to run. All S gaugers are welcome to join us in the operating pit. Hope to see you there! YourS, John Eichmann, Coordinator Rocky Mountain Hi-Railers Boise

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41771	From: t_man8712	Date: 10/11/2006
Subject: Union Pacific #809 pulled in today

I also received the new "Northern". The paint quality is excellant and the overall appearance is also excellant. I do have a question. When the engine is running I get the "choo-choo" sound but I also get a "swooshing" sound. Is this normal?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41772	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 10/11/2006
Subject: East Broad Top GM

Stanley Hall, General Manager of the East Broad Top RR recently suffered serious heart problems leading to a severe heart attack.. Those who attended the recent TCA convention in Western Pa would have enjoyed Stanley's hospitality on the EBT, even if you didn't meet him. He is recovering, I was told by the RR Ticket Agent, but being a railroadin' kinda guy wants OUT of the hospital. If you wish to send Stanley a card, his address is: Altoona Hospital Attn: Stanley Hall 620 Howard Ave Altoona, PA 16601-4804 Thanks, Jim Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41773	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 10/11/2006
Subject: Request for Graphic

> > I would like a new graphic for my website. > Something about 800x600 pixels. > The graphic should show the size difference between > O - S - ho scales > 1:48 - 1:64 - 1:96 > 1/48 - 1/64 - 1/96 > With loco profiles that show the size difference. > > I can't use any of the existing graphic because of copy right rules. > > Thanks in advance. > > Send it to paul at paulyorke dot com > > Thanks! > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41774	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 10/11/2006
Subject: Re: [showcaseline] What's coming down the pike???

Dear John, Sorry, that is not true. FTs have a different wheel base that the other F units and some of the FTB units were shorter than the FTA. John Degnan wrote: > I'd like to see some FT-As and FT-Bs... which should work on the F-3 > A/B frames... right? > > John Degnan > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Drew C > To: Joseph Haughney ; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> ; showcaseline@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:showcaseline%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 12:24 PM > Subject: Re: [showcaseline] What's coming down the pike??? > > How about a blue & tangerine CNJ F3, or green and yellow striped F3? > Those would be nice, if possible! > > Regards, > Drew C. > > Joseph Haughney <J.Haughney1@... > <mailto:J.Haughney1%40verizon.net>> wrote: Don, > > Hope all is well with you and your family. I am trying to put together a > capital budget for my train acquisitions next year (Don't mind me just > some > of my old job before retirement carries over into my family budget). I was > wondering if you have any forecasts as to what might be coming down > the pike > in 07 like a new switch. I figure the steam engine must have probably come > in over budget especially with the all of the great follow-on service such > as the recall. But the engine is great and I hope you made some profit on > the effort and have enough to invest in some new items for the next year. > Anyway, just wondering what your thoughts were on potential products > that we > might see in the future. > > Regards, > > Joe Haughney > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > --------------------------------- > Stay in the know. Pulse on the new Yahoo.com. Check it out. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41775	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 10/11/2006
Subject: Re: NORTHERN

SORRY......Its the New Lionel Northern AF48047 UP......The Gray front end one...... 400.00 plus shipping...... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: BENJAMIN PERRY To: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 7:17 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] NORTHERN Pray tell, which Northern are you talking about?? American Models, Lionel Black or Lionel Gray?? Ben Perry HE LIT A MATCH TO CHECK GAS TANK THAT'S WHY THEY CALL HIM SKINLESS FRANK BURMA~SHAVE ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 2:25 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] NORTHERN HEY GUYS...... THE NORTHERN IS REALLY NICE...... HAVE 1 FOR SALE...... 400.00 PLUS SHIPPING.... BOB [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41776	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 10/11/2006
Subject: Re: [showcaseline] What's coming down the pike???

Dear Drew, I am still debating myself if I should do the green 2 yellow stripe version of the Tangerine and blue. Maybe both! Don Drew C wrote: > How about a blue & tangerine CNJ F3, or green and yellow striped F3? > Those would be nice, if possible! > > Regards, > Drew C. > > Joseph Haughney <J.Haughney1@... > <mailto:J.Haughney1%40verizon.net>> wrote: Don, > > Hope all is well with you and your family. I am trying to put together a > capital budget for my train acquisitions next year (Don't mind me just > some > of my old job before retirement carries over into my family budget). I was > wondering if you have any forecasts as to what might be coming down > the pike > in 07 like a new switch. I figure the steam engine must have probably come > in over budget especially with the all of the great follow-on service such > as the recall. But the engine is great and I hope you made some profit on > the effort and have enough to invest in some new items for the next year. > Anyway, just wondering what your thoughts were on potential products > that we > might see in the future. > > Regards, > > Joe Haughney > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > --------------------------------- > Stay in the know. Pulse on the new Yahoo.com. Check it out. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41777	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 10/11/2006
Subject: TMCC

Has anyone installed TMCC in an American Models SD-60? A man at the train show asked me if it could be done. I checked with Carl Tuveson and his response was not encouraging. Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41778	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 10/11/2006
Subject: Flyernut meeting

I just learned from Ralph Loveless and Clem Clement, that the Gilbert Get Together at York will now be known as the "Flyernut Meeting" in honor of Bob Tufts who passed away at the last York. That is a well deserve honor for a great fan of American Flyer trains who would talk to anyone at a train show, no matter, the question, whether they purchased something from Bob or not. Bob's knowledge, as we all know in the S world, was just unbelievable, as no matter how busy he was with his life, he would always answer any emails anyone sent him. Flyernut was the license plate on his car. I was very lucky to have known Bob, as he and Ralph signed my TCA application in 1991, without even knowing much about me, as that had led me to a great friendship with Bob and still with Ralph today. A sad loss not only to the S world of trains, but to the family who loved him and to those who knew him as a wonderful person overall and to those who did not know Bob, but would read his articles in S Gaugian. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41779	From: Roy Inman	Date: 10/11/2006
Subject: Re: NORTHERN

I have seen the "gray front end" UP Northern referred to as an FEF, which of course means 4-8-4; I guess the FEF was used to differentiate that engine, what with the elephant ears smoke deflectors and all, from the non-elephant-eared, black 4-8-4's. It might be convenient way to help communicate which engine we are talking about-FEF-...just a thought :) Roy Inman From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER <rcon7@...> Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 19:50:24 -0400 To: BENJAMIN PERRY <benperry1@...>, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] NORTHERN SORRY......Its the New Lionel Northern AF48047 UP......The Gray front end one...... 400.00 plus shipping...... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: BENJAMIN PERRY To: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 7:17 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] NORTHERN Pray tell, which Northern are you talking about?? American Models, Lionel Black or Lionel Gray?? Ben Perry HE LIT A MATCH TO CHECK GAS TANK THAT'S WHY THEY CALL HIM SKINLESS FRANK BURMA~SHAVE ---------------------------------------------------------- From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 2:25 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: [S-Trains] NORTHERN HEY GUYS...... THE NORTHERN IS REALLY NICE...... HAVE 1 FOR SALE...... 400.00 PLUS SHIPPING.... BOB [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41780	From: Phil K	Date: 10/11/2006
Subject: Re: NORTHERN

To my knowledge, FEF is simply a railroadish way of saying 4-8-4 and applies equally to all Northerns, smoke deflectors or not. Phil K *************************************************************** In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Roy Inman <rinphoto@...> wrote: > > I have seen the "gray front end" UP Northern referred to as an FEF, which of > course means 4-8-4; I guess the FEF was used to differentiate that engine, > what with the elephant ears smoke deflectors and all, from the > non-elephant-eared, black 4-8-4's. > It might be convenient way to help communicate which engine we are talking > about-FEF-...just a thought :) > Roy Inman > > From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER <rcon7@...> > Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 19:50:24 -0400 > To: BENJAMIN PERRY <benperry1@...>, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] NORTHERN > > > SORRY......Its the New Lionel Northern AF48047 UP......The Gray front end > one...... 400.00 plus shipping...... Bob > ----- Original Message ----- > From: BENJAMIN PERRY > To: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER > Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 7:17 PM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] NORTHERN > > Pray tell, which Northern are you talking about?? American Models, Lionel > Black or Lionel Gray?? > Ben Perry > HE LIT A MATCH > TO CHECK GAS TANK > THAT'S WHY > THEY CALL HIM > SKINLESS FRANK > BURMA~SHAVE > ---------------------------------------------------------- > From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER > Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 2:25 PM > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [S-Trains] NORTHERN > > HEY GUYS...... THE NORTHERN IS REALLY NICE...... HAVE 1 FOR SALE...... > 400.00 PLUS SHIPPING.... BOB > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41781	From: David Engle	Date: 10/12/2006
Subject: Re: NORTHERN

Many roads had their own classification code systems for motive power, and used them alongside the "White" system of wheel-arrangement for steam locomotives, and the mfr. model numbers for diesels. FEF is probably UP's designation for any of their 4-8-4's. SP's northerns were, IIRC, in 4 classes, GS-1 through GS-4. Another road would have, say "R-67" for a road engine with 67,000 lb. rated tractive effort, or "S-42", for a switching loco that could achieve 42,000 lb. tractive effort. PRR had a different letter for each steam wheel arrangement, but applied the system to electrics also. "G" meant a 4-6-0, and supposedly "GG" was their way of saying two 4-6-0's under the same frame--as in the famous GG-1 electric. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phil K" <waldootten@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 12:16 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: NORTHERN > To my knowledge, FEF is simply a railroadish way of saying 4-8-4 and > applies equally to all Northerns, smoke deflectors or not. > > Phil K > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41782	From: Mark Preman	Date: 10/12/2006
Subject: The Flyernut Meeting

I like it! How very appropriate! Not only because of Bob Tufts license plate but his book was (self)published by FLYERNUT Publishing. Yea, I really like it! Clay, give us the time and location againI Mark B. Preman AmericanFlyerTrains.com --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41783	From: frank emiro	Date: 10/12/2006
Subject: Re: NORTHERN

That is correct Phil, UP used it on all there 4-8-4's. Phil K <waldootten@...> wrote: To my knowledge, FEF is simply a railroadish way of saying 4-8-4 and applies equally to all Northerns, smoke deflectors or not. Phil K *************************************************************** In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Roy Inman <rinphoto@...> wrote: > > I have seen the "gray front end" UP Northern referred to as an FEF, which of > course means 4-8-4; I guess the FEF was used to differentiate that engine, > what with the elephant ears smoke deflectors and all, from the > non-elephant-eared, black 4-8-4's. > It might be convenient way to help communicate which engine we are talking > about-FEF-...just a thought :) > Roy Inman > > From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER <rcon7@...> > Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 19:50:24 -0400 > To: BENJAMIN PERRY <benperry1@...>, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] NORTHERN > > > SORRY......Its the New Lionel Northern AF48047 UP......The Gray front end > one...... 400.00 plus shipping...... Bob > ----- Original Message ----- > From: BENJAMIN PERRY > To: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER > Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 7:17 PM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] NORTHERN > > Pray tell, which Northern are you talking about?? American Models, Lionel > Black or Lionel Gray?? > Ben Perry > HE LIT A MATCH > TO CHECK GAS TANK > THAT'S WHY > THEY CALL HIM > SKINLESS FRANK > BURMA~SHAVE > ---------------------------------------------------------- > From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER > Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 2:25 PM > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [S-Trains] NORTHERN > > HEY GUYS...... THE NORTHERN IS REALLY NICE...... HAVE 1 FOR SALE...... > 400.00 PLUS SHIPPING.... BOB > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > --------------------------------- Get your own web address for just $1.99/1st yr. We'll help. Yahoo! Small Business. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41784	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 10/12/2006
Subject: Re: 809 pulled in today

Yes. The 'swooshing' is the mechanical chuffing ('choo-choo'). Bob Bubeck In a message dated 10/12/2006 6:18:43 AM Eastern Daylight Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes: I get the "choo-choo" sound but I also get a "swooshing" sound. Is this normal? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41785	From: frank emiro	Date: 10/12/2006
Subject: Re: TMCC

Tom, try www.digitdynam.com or call them at (203) 778-3599. He does install his TMCC products in S Gauge engines and will let you know what needs to be done. Tom Hawley <t.hawley@...> wrote: Has anyone installed TMCC in an American Models SD-60? A man at the train show asked me if it could be done. I checked with Carl Tuveson and his response was not encouraging. Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail Beta. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41786	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 10/12/2006
Subject: OPEN HOUSE NEAR YORK

Since I can't make the Flyernut get together on Thursday night I have invited my "S" friends to my house on Wednesday October 18, 2006 10:00am to 12:00noon or later (let me know). I will be at York on Friday. Contact me by email for directions. I am about an hour East of York. Cell: 215.264.6642 This is the house you will be looking for. http://kulpritterpics.homestead.com/KNOBHILLHOME.html Trains are running. Some progress pictures of my model railroad layout. http://kulpritterpics.homestead.com/STONY_CREEK_RR.html Glenn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41787	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 10/12/2006
Subject: Re: NORTHERN

UN Pac Had three groups of 4-8-4 and were classes as EFE1, EFE2, and EFE3. Their 2-10-2 were TTT. Thank you Larry Jackman Boca Raton FL ljack70117@... On Oct 12, 2006, at 6:54 AM, David Engle wrote: > Many roads had their own classification code systems for motive > power, and > used them alongside the > "White" system of wheel-arrangement for steam locomotives, and the > mfr. > model numbers for diesels. FEF is probably UP's designation for > any of > their 4-8-4's. SP's northerns were, IIRC, in 4 classes, GS-1 > through GS-4. > Another road would have, say "R-67" for a road engine with 67,000 > lb. rated > tractive effort, or "S-42", for a switching loco that could achieve > 42,000 > lb. tractive effort. PRR had a different letter for each steam wheel > arrangement, but applied the system to electrics also. "G" meant a > 4-6-0, > and supposedly "GG" was their way of saying two 4-6-0's under the same > frame--as in the famous GG-1 electric. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Phil K" <waldootten@...> > To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 12:16 AM > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: NORTHERN > > >> To my knowledge, FEF is simply a railroadish way of saying 4-8-4 and >> applies equally to all Northerns, smoke deflectors or not. >> >> Phil K >> >> > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41788	From: Al Baker	Date: 10/12/2006
Subject: Re: NORTHERN

Yep, you are right Phil - FEF has nothing to do with smoke deflectors, it applied to all 4-8-4 Northerns but to my knowledge UP was/is the only railroad that used the FEF designation. Anyone know of another railroad that did? Al Baker Portland --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Phil K" <waldootten@...> wrote: > > To my knowledge, FEF is simply a railroadish way of saying 4-8-4 and > applies equally to all Northerns, smoke deflectors or not. > > Phil K > > *************************************************************** > In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Roy Inman <rinphoto@> wrote: > > > > I have seen the "gray front end" UP Northern referred to as an > FEF, which of > > course means 4-8-4; I guess the FEF was used to differentiate > that engine, > > what with the elephant ears smoke deflectors and all, from the > > non-elephant-eared, black 4-8-4's. > > It might be convenient way to help communicate which engine we are > talking > > about-FEF-...just a thought :) > > Roy Inman > > > > From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER <rcon7@> > > Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 19:50:24 -0400 > > To: BENJAMIN PERRY <benperry1@>, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] NORTHERN > > > > > > SORRY......Its the New Lionel Northern AF48047 UP......The Gray > front end > > one...... 400.00 plus shipping...... Bob > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: BENJAMIN PERRY > > To: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER > > Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 7:17 PM > > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] NORTHERN > > > > Pray tell, which Northern are you talking about?? American Models, > Lionel > > Black or Lionel Gray?? > > Ben Perry > > HE LIT A MATCH > > TO CHECK GAS TANK > > THAT'S WHY > > THEY CALL HIM > > SKINLESS FRANK > > BURMA~SHAVE > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER > > Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 2:25 PM > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: [S-Trains] NORTHERN > > > > HEY GUYS...... THE NORTHERN IS REALLY NICE...... HAVE 1 FOR > SALE...... > > 400.00 PLUS SHIPPING.... BOB > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41789	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 10/12/2006
Subject: Re: NORTHERN

How about if we use black or gray when referring to them. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41790	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 10/12/2006
Subject: Bob Tufts remembrance at York

Here is some information about a remembrance at York for Bob Tufts, as this is a email from the person, who used to sell trains with Bob at shows. ********************************************************************************************************************* Mike, Good idea. We have 3 Tables. My table number in the Blue Hall is D-15. I'm not sure of the other 2 tables if there D-13 &14, D-16 & 17 or D-14 & 16. On your email have them look for 3 tables in the D-15 area. Also why don't you put down that Bob's Daughter Valerie plans to attend on Friday. Ralph ********************************************************************************************************** I understand also, that there will be many pictures of Bob and his famous hat, that he would wear, as Bob stood out, being very tall in a hall and wearing his hat. You could not miss finding him, as you entered the hall, since he was taller than most of us. Also, on the name change for the Gilbert Get Together, the information I got is not confirmed. Sorry about that. But you know, to me, it is already called and confirmed in my view "Flyernut Meeting" in honor of one of the nicest person you could ever meet, besides his wonderful knowledge of AF and helping anyone with questions on AF or just to talk about anything. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41791	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 10/12/2006
Subject: York Wednesday in Strasburg

TCA's National Toy Train Museum (NTTM) semi-annual Open House is Wednesday October 18th and ALL TCA members are invited. Once again we will run a Shuttle BUS, not a difficult to enter and exit van, but a real BUS. Runs from 0900 til 1800 from the CHOO CHOO BARN (CCB), STRASBURG RAILROAD (SRR) and RAILROAD MUSEUM OF PENNSYLVANIA (RRMPA) on an approximate 15 minute headway. There are restaurants at SRR (The Dining Car, open for lunch), ISAAC'S at CCB (open for lunch and dinner) and the RED CABOOSE MOTEL (RCM) Restaurant next door to NTTM will be open for Breakfast, Lunch AND Dinner. ALL Three restaurants feature good food and friendly service (Dining Car is Cafeteria Style). Members may ride the shuttle AT ANY TIME during the day, as many times as they wish. Might even be "items of interest" on the bus, NO promises. Please avoid running over my Parking Crew as I will need them in the Spring!!!!!! Jim "just heard a "Toaster" go by on AMTRAK" Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41792	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 10/12/2006
Subject: B&O Dockside

I have a brand new unopened B&O Flyonel Dockside Switcher, 6-48039 available. $95 including continental US shipping. If interested, contact me offline. Dick Kuepper Aurora, OH

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41793	From: Roy Inman	Date: 10/12/2006
Subject: Re: NORTHERN

OK, I am in my usual state of confusion (otherwise known as Kansas): is it the BLACK Northern by Flyonel that has arrived in some modelers hands, or the GRAY Northern by Flyonel? I thought that the black version was first out... Roy Inman From: anormal1@... Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 20:13:20 -0400 (EDT) To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: NORTHERN How about if we use black or gray when referring to them. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41794	From: WEG138@aol.com	Date: 10/12/2006
Subject: Re: few item S manufacturers

As I was searching the internet I came across some manufacturers who make only a few things in S scale. I think they might be grouped as specialists. Some already were mentioned in the group. I hope this helps the "Newbies." Frenchman River Model Works makes 1/64 boats and products for simulating water. NJ international makes crossbucks and Crossing Gates. PBL makes Sn3 products and has a sound system. Model Memories has catenary signals and Box Car roofs. MHM has projects that can be done in an evening or two. Buildings. The Rusty Nail has roadside equipment. Trainstuff LLC has S scale structures. I hope this helps. Bill Greaves [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41795	From: Roy Inman	Date: 10/12/2006
Subject: Re: NORTHERN

Larry, I assume you mean FEF, not EFE? Or not...? Roy Inman From: ljack70117@... Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 12:14:05 -0400 To: David Engle <RIRocket@...> Cc: Phil K <waldootten@...>, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: NORTHERN UN Pac Had three groups of 4-8-4 and were classes as EFE1, EFE2, and EFE3. Their 2-10-2 were TTT. Thank you Larry Jackman Boca Raton FL ljack70117@... <mailto:ljack70117%40adelphia.net> On Oct 12, 2006, at 6:54 AM, David Engle wrote: > Many roads had their own classification code systems for motive > power, and > used them alongside the > "White" system of wheel-arrangement for steam locomotives, and the > mfr. > model numbers for diesels. FEF is probably UP's designation for > any of > their 4-8-4's. SP's northerns were, IIRC, in 4 classes, GS-1 > through GS-4. > Another road would have, say "R-67" for a road engine with 67,000 > lb. rated > tractive effort, or "S-42", for a switching loco that could achieve > 42,000 > lb. tractive effort. PRR had a different letter for each steam wheel > arrangement, but applied the system to electrics also. "G" meant a > 4-6-0, > and supposedly "GG" was their way of saying two 4-6-0's under the same > frame--as in the famous GG-1 electric. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Phil K" <waldootten@... <mailto:waldootten%40aol.com> > > To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 12:16 AM > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: NORTHERN > > >> To my knowledge, FEF is simply a railroadish way of saying 4-8-4 and >> applies equally to all Northerns, smoke deflectors or not. >> >> Phil K >> >> > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41796	From: BENJAMIN PERRY	Date: 10/12/2006
Subject: Re: NORTHERN

As information, the repainted FEF's on the UP were nicknamed "Greyhounds" Some of the FSSF's were also repainted into these colors to be used in passenger service. Ben Perry HE LIT A MATCH TO CHECK GAS TANK THAT'S WHY THEY CALL HIM SKINLESS FRANK BURMA~SHAVE -----Original Message----- From: Roy Inman Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 8:49 PM To: anormal1@..., S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: NORTHERN OK, I am in my usual state of confusion (otherwise known as Kansas): is it the BLACK Northern by Flyonel that has arrived in some modelers hands, or the GRAY Northern by Flyonel? I thought that the black version was first out... Roy Inman From: anormal1@... Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 20:13:20 -0400 (EDT) To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: NORTHERN How about if we use black or gray when referring to them. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41797	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 10/12/2006
Subject: Re: few item S manufacturers

Frenchman River Model Works http://www.frenchmanriver.com/index.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: WEG138@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 9:08 PM Subject: [S-Trains] RE: few item S manufacturers As I was searching the internet I came across some manufacturers who make only a few things in S scale. I think they might be grouped as specialists. Some already were mentioned in the group. I hope this helps the "Newbies." Frenchman River Model Works makes 1/64 boats and products for simulating water. NJ international makes crossbucks and Crossing Gates. PBL makes Sn3 products and has a sound system. Model Memories has catenary signals and Box Car roofs. MHM has projects that can be done in an evening or two. Buildings. The Rusty Nail has roadside equipment. Trainstuff LLC has S scale structures. I hope this helps. Bill Greaves [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41798	From: Sam and Judy Williamson	Date: 10/13/2006
Subject: Re: Bob Tufts remembrance at York

All, The Atlantic Coast S Gaugers have, with the concurrance of Mrs Tufts, arranged for a brick in memory of Bob to placed in the walk at TCA Headquarters. The brick was due to be installed by Oct 1. Under doctors orders I must reduce my participation in this York only (I hope) so the only logical thing to go was the pre show events. If someone could take a picture of it and put it on line it would appreciated. Thanks, Sam Williamson, Treas ACSG Va Central Division ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael and Linda Marmer To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com ; Toy Trains ; Clem Clement ; Ralph Loveless Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 7:10 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Bob Tufts remembrance at York Here is some information about a remembrance at York for Bob Tufts, as this is a email from the person, who used to sell trains with Bob at shows. ********************************************************************************************************************* Mike, Good idea. We have 3 Tables. My table number in the Blue Hall is D-15. I'm not sure of the other 2 tables if there D-13 &14, D-16 & 17 or D-14 & 16. On your email have them look for 3 tables in the D-15 area. Also why don't you put down that Bob's Daughter Valerie plans to attend on Friday. Ralph ********************************************************************************************************** I understand also, that there will be many pictures of Bob and his famous hat, that he would wear, as Bob stood out, being very tall in a hall and wearing his hat. You could not miss finding him, as you entered the hall, since he was taller than most of us. Also, on the name change for the Gilbert Get Together, the information I got is not confirmed. Sorry about that. But you know, to me, it is already called and confirmed in my view "Flyernut Meeting" in honor of one of the nicest person you could ever meet, besides his wonderful knowledge of AF and helping anyone with questions on AF or just to talk about anything. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41799	From: frank emiro	Date: 10/13/2006
Subject: NH FREE Train Show

This is a free show with no sales. YES "S" will be there. The Bristol S Gaugers will have their layout with lots of S Trains in operation. Color flier shoud make the trip via this email. Nov.5,06 in Bedford, NH. For more Info: go to email gsrrho@... or visit web site at www.boomers-rr.com There are lots for the youngsters to do and play with. --------------------------------- Stay in the know. Pulse on the new Yahoo.com. Check it out. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41800	From: Doug Peck	Date: 10/13/2006
Subject: Re: NORTHERN

Lionel has delivered most, if not all, of the BLACK Northerns already. However, at the same time, they delivered a portion of the "Greyhounds" (Thanks, Ben!). The remainder of the Greyhounds will not be delivered until SPRING, as I understand it. <<<OK, I am in my usual state of confusion (otherwise known as Kansas): is it the BLACK Northern by Flyonel that has arrived in some modelers hands, or the GRAY Northern by Flyonel? I thought that the black version was first out... >>> Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours: Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, & Saturdays--- 2-5 PM (EST) 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: www.portlines.com <http://www.portlines.com/> E-mail: doug@... VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41801	From: macflyer0513	Date: 10/13/2006
Subject: 761 Semaphore wiring

Mornin' all. I'm trying to wire up a isolated section track to be energized by a 761. I have the wiring diagrams from the accessory handbook but what I don't have, is the internal wiring diagram of the semaphore itself. Does anyone have a drawing they might post or email? Thanks. Mac

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41802	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 10/13/2006
Subject: DL 109 in S Gauge ?

I have spent a few enjoyable minutes this morning looking at the CT S gaugers modules as set up earlier this year at a school. There is one photo of what I think is a DL 109 decorated for New Haven. Can someone tell me what the source of this loco might be? Does American HighRail offer these cabs for sale, and if yes, what chassis does it fit on ? Is there also a B unit available, which I think is a DL 110 ? - Earl Henry, Nashville http://trainweb.org/csg/cheshiremarch06/page2.html [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41803	From: Rollain Mercier	Date: 10/13/2006
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} DL 109 in S Gauge ?

and he notes - American HiRail did make an A unit body and with a little filing and fitting it should tun on an AM PA chassis. To my knowledge he didn't make a 'B' unit. Of the 78 units constructed (In classes DL-103 to DL110) only four were 'B' units and went to the Santa Fe (a) and Southern (3). The New Haven had the largest roster with 60. A good article on this class can be found at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ALCO_DL109 Raleigh in Maine where it's sorta chilly! At 12:34 PM 10/13/2006, tennsgauge@... wrote: >I have spent a few enjoyable minutes this morning looking at the CT S gaugers >modules as set up earlier this year at a school. There is one photo of what >I think is a DL 109 decorated for New Haven. Can someone tell me what the >source of this loco might be? Does American HighRail offer these >cabs for sale, >and if yes, what chassis does it fit on ? Is there also a B unit available, >which I think is a DL 110 ? > >- Earl Henry, Nashville > ><http://trainweb.org/csg/cheshiremarch06/page2.html>http://trainweb.org/csg/cheshiremarch06/page2.html > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41804	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 10/13/2006
Subject: Re: NORTHERN w/ GREY NOSE

LAST CHANCE...... LIONEL #800 NORTHERN #800 with the Grey nose ...... #6-48047....... 400.00 plus postage... 10 to 15.00..... Reason for selling...... order was mixed up and I got an extra..... The rest will be here next year if you prefer waiting.... or up on ebay it goes but with added fees..... 450.00 BIN..... Bob Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 8:59 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: NORTHERN Lionel has delivered most, if not all, of the BLACK Northerns already. However, at the same time, they delivered a portion of the "Greyhounds" (Thanks, Ben!). The remainder of the Greyhounds will not be delivered until SPRING, as I understand it. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41805	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 10/13/2006
Subject: S Gauge Convention Car

Very nice looking TCA Convention S gauge car for next year in Denver. A flat car with a piece of real CO. block marble, that was used in many places, like the Lincoln Memorial and the Tomb of Unknown Soldier in Washington, D.C. Might have to get one or two of those! Jerry Dobbs, if you had anything to do with that design, nice job to your committee. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41806	From: IronHorse	Date: 10/13/2006
Subject: Re: NH FREE Train Show

About this show; It is worth while driving a long way to see. It is a very large show with lots of trains running. Mostly HO scale I get a lot of ideas from this show. The Bristol guys have a real nice layout that they setup. Roger Hinds Alias IronHorse > >This is a free show with no sales. YES "S" will be there. The Bristol S Gaugers will have their layout with lots of S Trains in operation. Color flier shoud make the trip via this email. Nov.5,06 in Bedford, NH. For more Info: go to email gsrrho@... or visit web site at www.boomers-rr.com There are lots for the youngsters to do and play with. > >--------------------------------- >Stay in the know. Pulse on the new Yahoo.com. Check it out. > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >Enjoy thousands of great photos >at http://S-Scale.org/albums >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41807	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 10/13/2006
Subject: Re: NORTHERN

Does the new 4-8-4 Northern by LTI come ready for TMCC? Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41808	From: Bruce D. Willis	Date: 10/13/2006
Subject: Re: NORTHERN

But the confusion point, if I understand it, is that the BLACK Northern (no elephant ears) has a gray nose (and firebox) according to the photos posted a couple weeks ago. Am I right? Or confused? - Bruce --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Doug Peck" <doug@...> wrote: > > Lionel has delivered most, if not all, of the BLACK Northerns already. However, at the same time, they delivered a portion of the "Greyhounds" (Thanks, Ben!). The remainder of the Greyhounds will not be delivered until SPRING, as I understand it. > > <<<OK, I am in my usual state of confusion (otherwise known as Kansas): is it > the BLACK Northern by Flyonel that has arrived in some modelers hands, or > the GRAY Northern by Flyonel? I thought that the black version was first > out... > >>> > Doug Peck > Port Lines Hobby Supply > 6 Storeybrooke Drive > Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 > Shop Hours: Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, & Saturdays--- 2-5 PM (EST) > 978-465-8798 > 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) > Website: www.portlines.com <http://www.portlines.com/> > E-mail: doug@... > VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41809	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 10/14/2006
Subject: Re;Northern

The grey "nose" and firebox is prototypical (if you care) not just something Lionel made up. The smokebox (forward-most section of the boiler shell)and firebox were often painted with graphite paint because these were extremely hot areas and regular paint burned off quickly. Sometimes the smokebox front would be graphited, sometimes the whole smokebox. Other sections of the boiler were jacketed with insulation and sheet metal to keep heat in the boiler, so paint would hold on the sheet metal. Most steam locos were black and often the graphited section was painted over. The same would go for a grey loco of course. The grey color of graphite would not generally match the color of regular grey paint. Graphite often looks silver when new and white when old and weathered. If you look at pictures of old, well worn steam locos (especially in Cuba or South America) you will notice the smokebox and firebox are often very rusty while the rest of the boiler just looks "weathered" heaviliy. And now you know much more than you ever wanted too! Stumpy Stone...a diesel is just a boxcar with a motor in it...Martins Ferry, OH.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41810	From: frank emiro	Date: 10/14/2006
Subject: Re: NH FREE Train Show

IRON HORSE, It is a great show. ALL scales and GAGES are there to enjoy. That includes wood push to live steam trians. Bring the youngsters for hands on fun and FREE live steam rides. IronHorse <cofa@...> wrote: About this show; It is worth while driving a long way to see. It is a very large show with lots of trains running. Mostly HO scale I get a lot of ideas from this show. The Bristol guys have a real nice layout that they setup. Roger Hinds Alias IronHorse > >This is a free show with no sales. YES "S" will be there. The Bristol S Gaugers will have their layout with lots of S Trains in operation. Color flier shoud make the trip via this email. Nov.5,06 in Bedford, NH. For more Info: go to email gsrrho@... or visit web site at www.boomers-rr.com There are lots for the youngsters to do and play with. > >--------------------------------- >Stay in the know. Pulse on the new Yahoo.com. Check it out. > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >Enjoy thousands of great photos >at http://S-Scale.org/albums >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41811	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 10/14/2006
Subject: Re: [CNJ-MODELER] Digest Number 1608

Dear Group, Saw this on the CRRofNJ modelers group. I think it would be a great addition to anyone's library. Best regards, Don > > The Postwar Freight Car Fleet > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CNJ-MODELER/message/8689;_ylc=X3oDMTJxdjg2ZDNsBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzI0OTEyMjQEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDYzNTc2BG1zZ0lkAzg2ODkEc2VjA2Rtc2cEc2xrA3Ztc2cEc3RpbWUDMTE2MDgzMDA1MA--> > > > > Fri Oct 13, 2006 11:26 am (PST) > > This new freight car book by Larry Kline and Ted Culotta is now > available from the NMRA. The photos were taken in 1946-48 but many of > the cars shown remained in service for many years. The > introduction is > an overview of freight car history from 1898 to 1947 and briefly > describes traffic in the Harrisburg, PA area where most of the photos > were taken. The introduction is followed by eight chapters on box > cars, > reefers, stock cars, hoppers, covered hoppers, gondolas, flat cars > and > tank cars. The photos in each chapter are arranged chronologically to > illustrate freight car design history. There are photos of most major > US freight car designs and of cars owned by 102 railroads and private > car lines. There are 5 photos of CNJ and CRP freight cars. > 240 pages, 8.5" x 11"; 350 photos; 14 tables, bibliography, index. > Price: $49.95 for NMRA members, $64.95 for Non-members, $8.95 > shipping. > > You can order the book from the NMRA Company Store on their website: > https://www.nmrastores.com/NMRA_Store/Store_Entrance.html > <https://www.nmrastores.com/NMRA_Store/Store_Entrance.html> > Click on the appropriate "Members" or "Non-Members" portal, then > click > on the "Books" tab, then click on "Next". (The book is on page 2 > of the > books listing.) > > At $9.95, an introductory 6 month Railpass membership in the NMRA is > less than the $15 difference between the member and non-member prices > and includes Scale Rails, the NMRA member magazine. Call the NMRA at > 423-892-2846 to take advantage of the Railpass membership. > > Larry Kline > Pittsburgh, PA > > <mailto:CNJ-MODELER-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41812	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 10/14/2006
Subject: Re: Lionel UP FEF Northerns

A great engine, in details, paint and sound (oops) except the imitation of the infamous Gilbert AF Choo Choo sound. Is there a way to silence the "Squeaky" sounding choo Choo? The Railsounds chuff is super, and before all my Gilbert AF Choo Choo fans jump on me, I love the GILBERT Choo Choo,I have a number of engines with the sound, but the Imitation Choo Choo by Lionel NOT GOOD. Jerry Matsick (looking for yall at York!) Jax S Ville AvailableSGauge NASG, TTOS, TCA

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41813	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 10/14/2006
Subject: Re: TMCC& THE NEW NORTHERN

Does the new LTI Northern come with TMCC? Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41814	From: clifma19@cox.net	Date: 10/14/2006
Subject: Repair

I have an American Flyer Diesel Engie GP 20 - Santa Fe that was made by Lionel Trains. I need to take the shell off to check the motor and transmission. It stalls going forward. It feels like it is binding and the only thing I can think of is that a small piece of styroform has been picked up. That is, short of a major problem with the engine. It was new 3 years ago and only run regularly the past 12 months or so. Does any one have a diagram that shows how to disassemble it? Or, can you give instructions as how to do it. I have most all the tools to service engines and have been doing so for years. Thanks for the help in advance. Clifford Manning Topeka, KS clifma19@... / clifma19@cox,net

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41815	From: Gerald Dobbs	Date: 10/14/2006
Subject: S Gauge Convention Car

S Gauge Convention Car Posted by: "Michael and Linda Marmer" mlmarmer@... mlmarmer2000 Date: Fri Oct 13, 2006 7:39 pm (PDT) Very nice looking TCA Convention S gauge car for next year in Denver. A flat car with a piece of real CO. block marble, that was used in many places, like the Lincoln Memorial and the Tomb of Unknown Soldier in Washington, D.C. Might have to get one or two of those! Jerry Dobbs, if you had anything to do with that design, nice job to your committee. Mike Marmer YES This car was my suggestion, I have visited the quarry several times after the war when it was abandon, located high in the Rockies south of Aspin Colorado. I preferred the car to have been a Colorado Midland car that actually served the quarry. I believe this is a wonderful car, very stable for its load. A die cast car ( flyer depressed center car ). The marble ( Colorado's state rock ) is being cut at the Vermont Marble Co. quarry at Marble Colo., and loaded on the cars by RMD TCA members here in Denver. Thanks to the efforts of Jack Hoover, who spearheaded the convention cars, and the Coors reefer ( limited to 1000 be Coors ) and going fast.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41816	From: hgetrain	Date: 10/14/2006
Subject: Re: TMCC& THE NEW NORTHERN

The LTI Northern comes with Railsounds but not TMCC. It should be possible to add TMCC if room can be found in the engine or tender. Harry Eberhardt --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, anormal1@... wrote: > > Does the new LTI Northern come with TMCC? Mike > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41817	From: hgetrain	Date: 10/14/2006
Subject: Re: Lionel UP FEF Northerns

The new Lionel/flyer Northern is really a great engine, and I agree the squeaky sounding choo choo needs to be silenced. It is by far the worst choo choo sound I have ever heard. Lionel should be ashamed to put such a terrible sound in an otherwise fine locomotive. I silenced mine by cutting a piece of HO cork roadbed slightly larger than the opening in the sound chamber and forcing the piece into the top of the opening. Be careful not to block the air passage from the smoke cylinder to the smoke chamber. A very faint squeak can still be heard so I may put silicone calk around the edges of the cork for a better seal. I am also not pleased with the four chuffs per revolution at any speed above 30-40 scale miles per hour. Above that speed the chuff rate is steady an does not vary with locomotive speed. I may try to reduce it to two chuffs per revolution. This may require moving the sensor from the tender axle to the drivers, or adding a circuit to send every other pulse to the Railsounds circuit. Harry Eberhardt --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Jerry Matsick" <mtoytrain@...> wrote: > > A great engine, in details, paint and sound (oops) except the > imitation of the infamous Gilbert AF Choo Choo sound. Is there a way > to silence the "Squeaky" sounding choo Choo? The Railsounds chuff is > super, and before all my Gilbert AF Choo Choo fans jump on me, I love > the GILBERT Choo Choo,I have a number of engines with the sound, but > the Imitation Choo Choo by Lionel NOT GOOD. > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41818	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 10/14/2006
Subject: Re: S Gauge Convention Car

Thanks Jerry, for letting me know. Again, well done on the car. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Gerald Dobbs To: mlmarmer@... Cc: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com ; scorpio-7@... Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2006 12:57 PM Subject: [S-Trains] S Gauge Convention Car S Gauge Convention Car Posted by: "Michael and Linda Marmer" mlmarmer@... mlmarmer2000 Date: Fri Oct 13, 2006 7:39 pm (PDT) Very nice looking TCA Convention S gauge car for next year in Denver. A flat car with a piece of real CO. block marble, that was used in many places, like the Lincoln Memorial and the Tomb of Unknown Soldier in Washington, D.C. Might have to get one or two of those! Jerry Dobbs, if you had anything to do with that design, nice job to your committee. Mike Marmer YES This car was my suggestion, I have visited the quarry several times after the war when it was abandon, located high in the Rockies south of Aspin Colorado. I preferred the car to have been a Colorado Midland car that actually served the quarry. I believe this is a wonderful car, very stable for its load. A die cast car ( flyer depressed center car ). The marble ( Colorado's state rock ) is being cut at the Vermont Marble Co. quarry at Marble Colo., and loaded on the cars by RMD TCA members here in Denver. Thanks to the efforts of Jack Hoover, who spearheaded the convention cars, and the Coors reefer ( limited to 1000 be Coors ) and going fast. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41819	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 10/14/2006
Subject: Re: Repair

Clifford, They are not hard to open up. I would first remove the truck side frames on the trucks. This makes getting at the screws that hold the body to chassis easier. You can also the inspect the gears on the power truck from the bottom for cracking and wobbling. Then remove the 4 body screws. the body just pulls off. The bulbs assemblies should snap out of the body if you need to. Be careful when pulling the body off of the chassis not to let the railing scratch the paint. A piece of card stock between the railing and the body may help keep the paint nice. Remove the 2 screws in the bottom of the yoke to allow the truck to be extracted. The only reason you need to take the body off is to be sure you have enough wire free to remove the power truck from the yoke. There are then 4 screws on the top of the truck. 2 that hold the gear cover and 2 outer ones. All need to come out to remove the motor assembly from the truck. It takes a good set of scrwedrivers not to strip the heads. Then inspect the worm gear shaft for cracked worm gears, a common problem. Replacments are available. When reassembling be sure the bronze oilite bearings on the worm shaft are seated correctly in the dimples in the truck frame. Lubricate worms and gears with white grease and the bearings with light oil. It could be an bad reverse unit if it is not mechanical Carl -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of clifma19@... Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2006 1:41 PM To: s-trains: yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Repair I have an American Flyer Diesel Engie GP 20 - Santa Fe that was made by Lionel Trains. I need to take the shell off to check the motor and transmission. It stalls going forward. It feels like it is binding and the only thing I can think of is that a small piece of styroform has been picked up. That is, short of a major problem with the engine. It was new 3 years ago and only run regularly the past 12 months or so. Does any one have a diagram that shows how to disassemble it? Or, can you give instructions as how to do it. I have most all the tools to service engines and have been doing so for years. Thanks for the help in advance. Clifford Manning Topeka, KS clifma19@... / clifma19@cox,net S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41820	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 10/14/2006
Subject: Re: York Gilbert Meet

Please clear any confusion as to the time and location of the Gilbert Meet at York. Thank you Jerry Matsick Jax S Ville

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41821	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 10/14/2006
Subject: Locomotive length?

Can anyone tell me the length over couplers of American Flyer steam switch engines. I'm thinking about a switching layout. I'd like to allow room if possible for an 0-6-0 or 0-8-0. The reason I need to know is that in planning this layout I need to figure the length of a tail track and a passing track. I would like to allow for one locomotive and two freight cars or one loco and one passenger car in the tail and passing tracks. The joker in this idea is that I need to keep this layout within two by eight feet! Inches are critical. Stumpy Stone...small layout maker in Appalachia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41822	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/14/2006
Subject: Sunday Chat, 10/15/2006, 8:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains's Calendar Title:   Sunday Chat Date:   Sunday October 15, 2006 Time:   8:00 pm - 11:00 pm Repeats:   This event repeats every week. Next reminder:   The next reminder for this event will be sent in 23 hours. Location:   http://s-scale.org/forum/ Street:   http://s-scale.org/forum/ Description:   http://s-scale.org/forum/ Copyright © 2006  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41823	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 10/14/2006
Subject: YORK MEETS

BELOW IS LAST APRILS LIST BARB MADE UP...... SHALLL WE FOLLOW IT????? BOB Hello Fellow Yorkies, It's time to put the finishing touches on your York plans and here is a menu from which to choose: 04/17 Monday I am aware of only one train venue open this day and it will be a good one. The Reliance Fire Hall will be much more heavily populated with S sellers this year. It is located at 1341 W. Market Street. You can spend the better part of this first day of bandit meets at the Reliance . No dinner is scheduled this evening as many folks are still arriving. 04/18 Tuesday All bandit meets are open this day. For the newbies attending their first York, the bandit meets are at the Reliance Fire Hall, the Holiday Inn on Carlisle north of Rt. 30 (Holidome), the Holiday Inn on the south side of Rt. 30 just East of I 83 (Billy Budd) and the Best Western parking lot on The north side of Rt. 30 behind Ruby Tuesdays. Dinner this evening is at the Roosevelt Tavern, 400 W. Philadelphia St. Phone is (717-854-7725). Reservations are for 7:00 PM and are made in my name. Going east on Rt. 30, turn left at Roosevelt Ave. At the end, bear right onto Penn St., and make an immediate right into the Tavern parking lot. 04/19 Wednesday This is a big day with lots happening. The bandit meets are open. The National Toy Train Museum has its open house from 10:00 AM - 6:00 PM. There is a detailed schedule of events as well as driving directions in your TCA York newsletter on page 8. Toy Trains Unlimited has an open house in October but not in the Spring. They do, however, have tons of postwar and Flyonel American Flyer as well as SHS and American Models. It is located at 28 York St., Hanover, PA a mere 30 minute drive South of York on Rt. 83. Phone is (717) 637-4717. We have reservations at Alexander's at 6:30 PM. It is located at 840 Carlisle Rd. (717) 846-1041. At the Carlisle exit off Rt. 30, turn left at the light at the end of the exit ramp. Alexander's is on the right about a half of a mile up the road. ...... NEED TO DO...... 04/20 Thursday The bandit meets are closed and this is the first day at the Fairgrounds. It opens at noon. Member halls close at 5:30 PM and dealer halls close at 7:00 PM. The Gilbert Get Together this year has a new start time. It is 8:00 PM. We are located back at the Bridgeton Center which is next to the Days Inn located at 222 Arsenal Rd. (Rt. 30). The Days Inn is behind the Round the Clock Diner. Clay has informed me that he will be checking out alternative locations for the Get Together for October as the room rental rate at the Bridgeton has more than doubled this year. So expect a change in venue for October. If you have any suggestions, you can e-mail Clay at clay@... This is 'our' main 'S' event so ya'll come to the Get Together. There will be an S-Trains photo op as a group immediately following the event. Because of the staggered closing times at the Fairgrounds and the Gilbert Get Together, there are no dinner reservations this evening. So you are on your own. There is also an open house of the Glen Rock Fire Department layouts from 7:00 PM to 9:00 PM. They have 4 layouts including a 16' x 32' American Flyer layout that is reported to be wonderful. The layouts are located in the library building at 32 Main St., Glen Rock, PA. This is a 15 minute ride from the Fairgrounds south on Rt. 83. You can get directions from the web site at http://www.grfd.org 04/21 Friday On Friday the halls open at 9:00 AM and again have staggered closings of 5:30 PM for member halls and 7:00 PM for dealer halls. Our dinner is scheduled for 7:00 PM at the Olive Garden at 1340 Kenneth Rd. (717) 845-2264. Kenneth Rd. is about 1 ½ miles West of I 83. There is a light at the intersection of Rt. 30 and Kenneth Rd. Turn left onto Kenneth Rd. and the Olive Garden in on your right. Since they do not take reservations (although they know we are arriving), I will arrive at 6:00 PM to set us up. As is now becoming customary, anyone wishing To get there a bit early for dinner can join me at the restaurant's watering hole while we wait for our table. 04/22 Saturday No scheduled activities for Saturday except for trains. The halls at the Fairgrounds open at 9:00 AM and close at 2:00 PM. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41824	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 10/14/2006
Subject: 10 DAY FORCAST FOR YORK

Sun Oct 15 Mostly Sunny 59°/32° 20% 59°F Mon Oct 16 Mostly Sunny 62°/44° 0% 62°F Tue Oct 17 Showers 58°/53° 40% 58°F Do You Know How to Spot a Storm? Wed Oct 18 Cloudy 67°/57° 20% 67°F Thu Oct 19 Few Showers 70°/51° 30% 70°F Fri Oct 20 Showers 64°/46° 40% 64°F Do You Know How to Spot a Storm? Sat Oct 21 Sunny 59°/42° 20% [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41825	From: Wayne Zebron	Date: 10/15/2006
Subject: gargraves track

Thanks to all who responded to my search for GarGraves track. I made a deal and should have more than enough track to build my new layout. It is still on the drawing board and I still making changes, hope to get started soon. Wayne --------------------------------- Get your own web address for just $1.99/1st yr. We'll help. Yahoo! Small Business. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41826	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 10/15/2006
Subject: What I did on my summer vacation...

Okay, it's not S gauge, but I have been busy. Tune on over to www.carendt.com This is the Micro Layouts website where 600 small and micro layouts have been presented so far, and check out the new Traction Layouts section. Down toward the bottom is my latest project, a pair of trolley micro layouts in On30. On30 is not the same "scale" but is about the same "size" as S gauge trains. This site is well worth a look just for the ideas you can come up with for your own layout, especially scenes and solutions to space problems! All scales are represented, although the site is thin on toy train contributors(although I'm thinking about doing something about that.) Still well worth your time. Stumpy Stone...terror of tiny trolley town...Martins Ferry, OH.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41827	From: Bill Lane	Date: 10/15/2006
Subject: Its Sunday & another Lanes Trains Update

Hi All, I took a few new photos yesterday. Photos were added to the locomotives, Covered Hoppers and S Scale Modules pages. S Scale Modules is now 2 pages as it was getting large! A very useful link to searchable online database of genuine PRR rolling stock drawings that are available for purchase has been added to the links page. Give it a look please.... Thank You, Bill Lane Modeling the Mighty Pennsy in 1957 in S Scale since 1988 See my finished models at: http://www.lanestrains.com Look at what has been made in PRR in S Scale! Importing a Brass S Scale PRR X29 & G26 http://www.pennsysmodels.com PRR Builders Photos Bought, Sold & Traded (Trading is MUCH preferred) http://mywebpages.comcast.net/billlane/PRRphotos.xls ***Join the PRR T&HS*** The other members are not ALL like me! http://www.prrths.com http://mywebpages.comcast.net/billlane/PRRTHS_Application.pdf See my Altoona train videos here http://www.myspace.com/billlane

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41828	From: firex43	Date: 10/15/2006
Subject: 0-6-0 & 0-8-0 Lengths

Hello Stumpy, In answer to your question regarding AF steam switcher lengths I have the following dimensions: 0-6-0 T Dockside with both front and rear couplers is 7 1/2 "; 0-6-0 with tender is 14"; 0-8-0 with tender is 14 1/4". Hope this helps. John Keating

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41829	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/16/2006
Subject: Reliance Fire Hall All Scale Trains, 10/16/2006, 9:00 am

Reminder from:   S-Trains's Calendar Title:   Reliance Fire Hall All Scale Trains Date:   Monday October 16, 2006 Time:   9:00 am - 6:00 pm Repeats:   This event repeats every day, until Wednesday October 18, 2006. Location:   Reliance Fire Hall, 1341 W. Market Street, York, PA 17404 Description:   Free to all, No membership needed Copyright © 2006  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41830	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 10/16/2006
Subject: PLAN AHEAD

We often do not plan for the future. Try to make arrangements for the disposition of your trains and layout. Don't tell your spouse that they are worth thousands unless you have documentation to that effect. The NASG has forms to help widows of NASG members. This layout has a lot of Plasticville and larger scale buildings and figures. It would not be desirable to an HO operator even though the trains are HO. Larry's widow was put in touch with me by a friend. Her husband died in August after a 1 1/2 year battle with lung cancer. She needs to find a buyer for his layout, who will remove everything. Please contact me if you would like to help her. The layout covers the entire basement and was built over 40 years for the enjoyment of their children. The children are grown and do not want any part of it. Please visit the website to see some of the trains and scenery. http://kulpritterpics.homestead.com/LARRYHO.html Glenn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41831	From: Clay Buckage	Date: 10/16/2006
Subject: Re: The Flyernut Meeting

Sorry, been out of town for the weekend. Negotiations have yielded a permanent home for what from now on will be known as 'The Flyernut Meeting' at the (where else?) Reliance Fire Hall 1341 West Market Street The meeting is scheduled for 8:30pm. Dedication of the new name was scheduled for this Thursday, but someone leaked the info! Happy Yorkin' and see you Thursday -Clay --- Mark Preman <amerflyer@...> wrote: > I like it! How very appropriate! Not only because of > Bob Tufts license plate but his book was > (self)published by FLYERNUT Publishing. Yea, I > really like it! > > Clay, give us the time and location againI > > > Mark B. Preman > AmericanFlyerTrains.com > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls > to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41832	From: paflyrman	Date: 10/16/2006
Subject: AF Screw Lists in S Gaugian Magazines

Does NE1 remember in which issues Bob Tufts listed all the screws that AF used along with their specs? I had them but now can't find them in all the "stuff." Visited the Reliance Fire Hall today. Lots of empty tables around 11AM Thanks in advance paflyrman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41833	From: Bill Lane	Date: 10/16/2006
Subject: Russ Downs & Downs Model Railroad

Hi All, I just got a surprise call tonight from Russ Downs, the former owner of Ace and Downs Model Railroad. He has been through some personal and health issues this year, but is recovering well and sounded great. One of the topics that came up is Russ will be selling a small collection on eBay of his tank cars that he kept. They all are Hi Rail. A few of the cars are one of a kind, since he had the cars ready to release at the time that he sold the business. The new owner never released any of them. These are going to be the LAST new Downs Model Railroad cars to be sold that were made by Russ. Finally there will be a 5 car set of the Tank Train tank cars that Russ made in the end of owning Downs MRR. I will advise when I hear of a listing number. The first car will be listed in about a week by an eBay selling business. Thank You, Bill Lane Modeling the Mighty Pennsy in 1957 in S Scale since 1988 See my finished models at: http://www.lanestrains.com Look at what has been made in PRR in S Scale! Importing a Brass S Scale PRR X29 & G26 http://www.pennsysmodels.com PRR Builders Photos Bought, Sold & Traded (Trading is MUCH preferred) http://mywebpages.comcast.net/billlane/PRRphotos.xls ***Join the PRR T&HS*** The other members are not ALL like me! http://www.prrths.com http://mywebpages.comcast.net/billlane/PRRTHS_Application.pdf See my Altoona train videos here http://www.myspace.com/billlane

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41834	From: ron_kolb2000	Date: 10/16/2006
Subject: S Gauge Layout at the York TCA Meet

Beginning this past spring, TCA is allowing modular layouts at the York TCA Meet. At this fall's meet, the Baltimore Area American Flyer Club will be operating our modular layout. We will be operating our layout in the Black Hall on Thursday afternoon, Friday and Saturday until 2:00 PM. Stop by and view the operation of our layout. We will also have information on the 2007 NASG Convention that will be held in Baltimore next July. Ron Kolb Baltimore Area American Flyer Club Club Coordinator

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41835	From: Greg Klein	Date: 10/16/2006
Subject: TCA York Meet - Baltimore Area American Flyer Club

The Baltimore Area American Flyer Club will be operating its modular layout at the TCA Eastern Division York Meet on October 19 - 21. The layout will be operating in the Black Hall during the hours that the meeting is open to members on Thursday, Friday and Saturday. If you purchase any S gauge hi-rail locomotives or rolling stock and would like to try them out, please feel free to stop by and we will arrange a test run. We hope you will take some time to visit us at York. Regards, Baltimore Area American Flyer Club

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41836	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/17/2006
Subject: Reliance Fire Hall All Scale Trains, 10/17/2006, 9:00 am

Reminder from:   S-Trains's Calendar Title:   Reliance Fire Hall All Scale Trains Date:   Tuesday October 17, 2006 Time:   9:00 am - 6:00 pm Repeats:   This event repeats every day, until Wednesday October 18, 2006. Location:   Reliance Fire Hall, 1341 W. Market Street, York, PA 17404 Description:   Free to all, No membership needed Copyright © 2006  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41837	From: Robert King	Date: 10/17/2006
Subject: Re: [showcaseline] What's coming down the pike???

ROBBY: Both versions would be nice. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Donald Thompson <don@...> wrote: Dear Drew, I am still debating myself if I should do the green 2 yellow stripe version of the Tangerine and blue. Maybe both! Don Drew C wrote: How about a blue & tangerine CNJ F3, or green and yellow striped F3? Those would be nice, if possible! Regards, Drew C.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41838	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 10/17/2006
Subject: Re: Gilbert Get Together -Flyernut meeting?

On 10/17/06, Chuck Harrington <myflyertrains at gmail.com> wrote: > At the firehouse today, and people are wondering about the time for > this meet. The meet booklet says 9 pm, but a couple people remembered > it being changed to 8 pm, and the mixup in times that we had in April > due to a error in the meet booklet, so anyone know what the real time > is? > > Thanks in advance! > > -- > Chuck > A. C. Gilbert Catalogs Online > http://www.myflyertrains.org >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41839	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 10/17/2006
Subject: RE E-BAY ITEM?

Was the 342 the only 0-8-0 that had link couplers? The item in E-Bay is listed as a 346 but it has a link coupler bar in front. # 230039896545 Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41840	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 10/17/2006
Subject: Re: Gilbert Get Together -Flyernut meeting?

It seems to me that because of the size now we decided to start it at 8 as it was lasting till midnight ....... Sorry guys..... I stayed home...... well I got to Atlanta and after they really messed up...... I got rebooked on the next flight home........ Sleep in the terminal till the next day...... NO WAY...... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Yorke To: slist Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 3:49 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Gilbert Get Together -Flyernut meeting? On 10/17/06, Chuck Harrington <myflyertrains at gmail.com> wrote: > At the firehouse today, and people are wondering about the time for > this meet. The meet booklet says 9 pm, but a couple people remembered > it being changed to 8 pm, and the mixup in times that we had in April > due to a error in the meet booklet, so anyone know what the real time > is? > > Thanks in advance! > > -- > Chuck > A. C. Gilbert Catalogs Online > http://www.myflyertrains.org > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41841	From: jnr59@aol.com	Date: 10/17/2006
Subject: For Sale: SHS 48' Great Northern Bulk Flat Car w/ Western Carrier (

FOR SALE A Great Northern 48' GSC Bulkhead Flat Car catalogue # 00334 with a Western Carrier (wrapped wood?) load. Original paint is superb and excellently weighted....pretty car! Will send pix if interested. ONLY $35 INCLUDING SHIPPING USPS PRIORITY. Like new condition with box. Original price: $49 several years ago. Best Regards, Jack Riely [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41842	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 10/17/2006
Subject: York in the rain on Tuesday

And rain it did--STILL raining. Started at the Holiday "Billy Budd", 0715 and the Banquet Mgr wasn't in yet. Joel and several others waiting to rent tables inside (supposedly only half the facility rented) because of the weather. Banquet Hall dark. I can remember a short time ago when the Motel Staff actually tried to accomodate the dealers and buyers, guess that is over Short hop to the Holodome, 0730, some tables covered, many still empty, no urgency, no visible excitement, a few buyers--generally not many people there. Got Lionel parts from East Coast John. Lots obviously empty, no rent-a-cops on the gates. Got to shake Clem's hand, always a pleasure to speak with Clem. Off to the Reliance, 60 of the 70 tables said to be Flyer. Buddy Paul dallied too long on a beautiful set of Lionel "Congressional" cars that Matt Hazekamp offered. I got Flyer parts from Fred and Plasticville parts from Bobby for my little shop. Interestingly enough, found at least one TCA Prez (Gordon) knows of which he speaks, MAPLE DONUTS are extremely tasty, far and away better ( and larger) than those sugar plops from K-K. Gas--cheapest we saw in York was Reg 2.15 per, Rockvale 2.09 (expect it to drop tomorrow) has been 2.07 in Gap for almost three weeks, at at least 5 of the 6 outlets (still haven't figured out WHERE people got gas BEFORE WAWA). Parking Cars at NTTM on Wednesday, Y'ALL come down now, Hear??? Jim "dealin' with the cars" Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41843	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 10/17/2006
Subject: Re: RE E-BAY ITEM?

The 342 and 342AC had link couplers until 1952. The number changed to 343 when knuckles were added. The 346 was introduced in 1955. It had a knuckle coupler front and rear. This one on Ebay is missing it's front coupler. Not hard to fix. Glenn, love my 342AC, Ritter ----- Original Message ----- From: anormal1@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 7:58 PM Subject: [S-Trains] RE E-BAY ITEM? Was the 342 the only 0-8-0 that had link couplers? The item in E-Bay is listed as a 346 but it has a link coupler bar in front. # 230039896545 Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41844	From: myflyertrains	Date: 10/17/2006
Subject: My Report of S at York

We arrived at York ahead of schedule on Sunday, and so we were able to begin attending the bandit meets first thing on Monday. We only went to the firehouse was on Monday, and it was pretty nearly full of sellers. Vendors at the firehouse are probably 70% Flyer. Tuesday I went early over to the Billy Bud. This meet IMHO is dying a slow death. It has been raining all day at York, so this did not help. The inside meet seemed to have a row or two of tables missing, as the isles were really wide. Very little Flyer, just a piece here and there on a few tables. Outside in parking lot, nobody was set up. Strangely, when you looked out that way, all you saw was a large trailer truck with "Girls Gone Wild" painted on the side of it. What can I add to this, the meet at the Billy Bud is not the same! Ok, off to the Holidome. Still raining So I decided to drop Leslie off at the front door if I could get in there. Not only could I drive to the front door, but I parked right in front of it! The parking lot at the Holidome was a parking lot! Maybe a dozen rain soaked tables set up (no merchandise, just tables), and everyone inside. Inside, the crowd was small. Most of the tables in the main room were occupied. Near the center of the room was a double row of tables that pretty much was the only Flyer there. John Hester, I think that is his name, was set up there as he always is, as were perhaps 2 or 3 more sellers right next to him had Flyer. In the hallway no Flyer. This is the area that used to have MTH and all the K-line stuff etc. On to the firehouse. Things are really cooking at the firehouse. The tables that had been empty were full today. Fred Jester like Monday seemed to be doing a lot of parts business, Gary (forget last name), but the fellow who sells all the mint stuff, had a truckload of minty stuff there to look at, but not to touch. As I said earlier many Flyer sellers, so many that Leslie reported hearing someone complain that "this meet has nothing but Flyer". Too funny! It is a real joy having so much Flyer in one place during the pre-meet, and Fred and the guys are to be congratulated for this. The firehouse did not really have any empty parking, but it seemed like when we were there that as soon as someone would pull into the lot, that someone would be leaving, so parking was not a problem. So now its after 3 pm, and I am sitting in my room at the Motel 6 watching it rain outside and typing this report into my computer. So far, this has not been a great York. The weather is supposed to clear tomorrow, so we will see. Bad weather and the extra day (Thursday) have really put a damper on the last couple of pre-meets (pun intended). As much as I love this meet, I can't help but long for the way things used to be, before the main meet opened on Thursday. I can't quantify it totally, but though we have gained the concentration of Flyer at the firehouse, I feel that something much greater than this has been lost. For one thing, Eastern Division by opening their meet on Thursday would seem to be trying to kill the bandit meets. They are not dead, but are certainly on life support as anyone who has been to a recent York can tell you. Perhaps they don't understand that the bandit meets are half the reason for coming to York, and if they are ended, fewer of us might make the costly trip cross country to attend! Later... -- Chuck A. C. Gilbert Catalogs Online http://www.myflyertrains.org

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41845	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/18/2006
Subject: Reliance Fire Hall All Scale Trains, 10/18/2006, 9:00 am

Reminder from:   S-Trains's Calendar Title:   Reliance Fire Hall All Scale Trains Date:   Wednesday October 18, 2006 Time:   9:00 am - 6:00 pm Repeats:   This event repeats every day, until Wednesday October 18, 2006. Location:   Reliance Fire Hall, 1341 W. Market Street, York, PA 17404 Description:   Free to all, No membership needed Copyright © 2006  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41846	From: WEG138@aol.com	Date: 10/18/2006
Subject: Re: Ooze from AF plastic.

As we know the old AF plastic will ooze a white substance. Has anyone tried to reduce use wax to prevent this from happening ? Is there anything else that will prevent this from happening ? Does this ooze weaken a piece of, say rolling stock, to a point that operators will see their cars crumble? Thanks! Bill Greaves [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41847	From: WEG138@aol.com	Date: 10/18/2006
Subject: Re: Converting couplers - link to knuckle

I am converting some of my cars from link to knuckle couplers. Two of the cars are proving to be difficult. Is there a trick to use to remove the pin holding the link couplers on? Thanks. Bill Greaves [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41848	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 10/18/2006
Subject: Re: My Report of S at York

Chuck....... the other 2 guys are Al Klingensmith and John Heck...... Both great guys are good and fair..... If It was sunny the lots at the Best West and Holidrome would be full..... tommorrow will be better...... Yes gone are the days when we would be out at the BB looking thre stuff before daylight with a dlashlight...... Jerry didn't make it either..... I am looking thru my PRIVATE YORK!!!!!! I really think its the economy thats slowing stuff down........ Let us know how prices and sales are..... HIGH...... low...... Bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41849	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 10/18/2006
Subject: York means empty hobby shop!

Well, Gary and Mike are off to York. I'm left to tend the thinned out hobby shop again. BOORRRRIINNNNGGGG. As to complaints of a lack of vendors, I'd have to agree that the economy is the biggest factor. With the cost of gasoline, heating oil, medications, food, etc, all so high, who has money for hobbies anymore? We've had people who have always paid cash for items go the lay-away route. Christmas is going to be a bit thinner this year. In the mean time, here I sit with plenty of time to dream about the trains I can't afford. At least it's quieter than being at school! Stumpy Stone...bored in Appalachia ;-)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41850	From: Clay Buckage	Date: 10/18/2006
Subject: Fwd: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Gilbert Get Together -Flyernut meeting?

Second try --- Clay Buckage <lamontcranston1946@...> wrote: > Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 16:22:54 -0700 (PDT) > From: Clay Buckage <lamontcranston1946@...> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Gilbert Get Together > -Flyernut meeting? > To: slist <s_trains@...> > CC: Paul Yorke <S-Trains-owner@yahoogroups.com>, > Chuck Harrington <myflyertrains@...> > > All, > > See message# 41831 > > The Flyernut Meeting is scheduled for 8:30pm > at the Reliance Fire Hall. > > Clem has the details and is handling the change in > the > meet notice for the future. > > See you there!! > Thanks! > -Clay > > > --- Paul Yorke <s_trains@...> wrote: > > > On 10/17/06, Chuck Harrington <myflyertrains at > > gmail.com> wrote: > > > At the firehouse today, and people are wondering > > about the time for > > > this meet. The meet booklet says 9 pm, but a > > couple people remembered > > > it being changed to 8 pm, and the mixup in times > > that we had in April > > > due to a error in the meet booklet, so anyone > know > > what the real time > > > is? > > > > > > Thanks in advance! > > > > > > -- > > > Chuck > > > A. C. Gilbert Catalogs Online > > > http://www.myflyertrains.org > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41851	From: colleenandrob	Date: 10/18/2006
Subject: Restoring steam engines

Hello all, First off I want to thank you for responding to all the questions I've had in the past. My job doesn't allow me much time to participate here and the information I ask about is always timely and very, very helpful...so thanks! I'm thinking about restoring some of my cast steam engines (they don't look very good in their current condition) and I need the name of some black paints that closely match those used by American Flyer. I have a display at home and a lot of my cars look great but the engines don't match up. I'm also sort of cheap and I don't want to spring for the cans that advertise for $29.99 on ebay. Any ideas would be helpful. I did restore a royal blue and got a pretty good match from some inexpensive cans of the almost correct blue from Home Depot. If you have any suggestions I would appreciate the brand name and color name. I think a satin would work or perhaps a semi-flat black. I know there is a difference. Thank you and all the best! Rob

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41852	From: myflyertrains	Date: 10/18/2006
Subject: My Report on S at York - Part 2

We woke Wed morning to cloudy skies; I was worried. As the day progressed we got into the low 70s and had partly cloudy skies. Yes there was some sun! First we drove by the Best Western and were delighted to find a couple of dozen sellers in the parking lot. Early in our shopping there, we started looking at some tables in front of a truck. Leslie noticed that there were a couple of boxes there, one metal, and one wooden crate that were labeled as having come from the Gilbert factory. I questioned the validity of this, with out really taking a good look at the seller who replied that he had helped his father carry them out of the factory as a boy. I looked to see Steve Amatto standing there, and Vince standing next to him. I felt a bit stupid at that point, but quickly pulled out the $35 that they were asking for the wooden crate, and a few minutes later came back to purchase a dozen mint caboose shells for $17. I have bought cheap cabeese to repaint into COG colors, but have not been able to kill any of the orginals. If a train has lasted 50 years or so, I hate to destroy it, even if it is a common inexpensive item. Now I can paint up my shells guilt free! Hobby Surplus also had a box of road race stuff in mint condition that looked interesting, but I am not into that. They did have several different caboose repaints as well as 3 gondolas and one tank car, Gilbert milk, also a repaint. There was a little more Flyer scattered among the other vendors, but nothing that excited me. We now left the Best Western, having bought the first trains of this meet. We drove right into the back of the Holidome and were able to easily part in their parking lot, though quite a number of people were parked in the mall parking lot. It was quite a bit busier than Tuesday. The outside area was set up with tables intermixed with cars that were just parking there. I would estimate the number of sellers as being maybe 1/2 of what I saw there in April. I did purchase a somewhat worn 654 Observation car that I plan to redecorate to COG. Several tables had Flyer though, but not as many as usual. Of course the firehouse has taken some of those Flyer sellers. Inside most all tables now had trains. Bob Conner corrected my post from yesterday, that the seller there was John Heck. We left and head to the firehouse. I understand that the firehouse has been so successful, that next meet there will be a second train show added at still another firehouse. We picked up a flyer on it, though it is not handly to me now. The fireshouse was somewhat more crowded than Tuesday, but we still parked right away as someone was just leaving. Lots of Flyer, which I mulled over but did not pick anything up this time. We left and headed for the Billy Bud. The Billy Bud inside was much like the day before. A Lionel train display running in the bar, with most sellers indoors selling Lionel and various tinplate offerings; almost no Flyer. Robert West was now set up in the back offering his wonderful train prints, of which I currently own 6 or 7 of them. Outside, there were about 6 tables set up, no tents. The Girls Gone Wild trailer was gone too! Almost no Flyer here, except one fellow selling some common operator grade Flyer out of his trunk. This concluded my train activites for the day. We headed to Hershey to pickup a load of the Hershey's Special Dark syrup that we can not buy in Florida. Looking forward with great anticipation to the opening of the main event Thursday at noon. Leslie is going to drop me there at 10:30 or so and visit a sewing friend in a nearby town. I will be on foot the whole day, unsupervised with cash, check and charge. Life is good. I think rain is back in the forcast for Thursday, but with the Gilbert Flyernut meeting being Thursday night, I will get a chance to show off my crate!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41853	From: Phil K	Date: 10/19/2006
Subject: Re: Ooze from AF plastic.

Bill -- This is an easy question. The white substance is stearic acid -- used as a release agent in the original molds during casting. To remove, GENTLY wave a hair dryer over the area, then wipe and polish with a soft cloth. NOTE: BE CAREFUL with the heat setting! Start low, be patient and gradually move upwards until you get results. You can melt the plastic if you are not careful. I've gotten some great Flyer pieces that had no flaws save the white crud on them -- at bargain prices at shows because no one knows how easy it is to remove the gunk. Phil K ************************************************************** --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, WEG138@... wrote: > > As we know the old AF plastic will ooze a white substance. Has anyone tried > to reduce use wax to prevent this from happening ? Is there anything else > that will prevent this from happening ? Does this ooze weaken a piece of, say > rolling stock, to a point that operators will see their cars crumble? Thanks! > > Bill Greaves > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41854	From: Phil K	Date: 10/19/2006
Subject: Re: Restoring steam engines

Doug Peck at Portlines Hobbies has paint that will be an exact match. He's at www.Portlines.com Phil K *****************************************************************--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "colleenandrob" <colleenandrob@...> wrote: > > Hello all, > > First off I want to thank you for responding to all the questions I've > had in the past. My job doesn't allow me much time to participate > here and the information I ask about is always timely and very, very > helpful...so thanks! > > I'm thinking about restoring some of my cast steam engines (they don't > look very good in their current condition) and I need the name of some > black paints that closely match those used by American Flyer. I have > a display at home and a lot of my cars look great but the engines > don't match up. I'm also sort of cheap and I don't want to spring for > the cans that advertise for $29.99 on ebay. Any ideas would be > helpful. I did restore a royal blue and got a pretty good match from > some inexpensive cans of the almost correct blue from Home Depot. If > you have any suggestions I would appreciate the brand name and color > name. I think a satin would work or perhaps a semi-flat black. I > know there is a difference. Thank you and all the best! Rob >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41855	From: uvl97222	Date: 10/19/2006
Subject: # 800 Northern

Hi all of you! I picked up two # 800 Northern's this week, and all I can say is wow they are so cool! check out me photos. Oh there is one unsold yet if any one wants it I can give you the store phone # and he will ship UPS. Check out my photos under smoke this! I here they are all sold out? Clayton S.D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41856	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 10/19/2006
Subject: Wednesday at NTTM

Day started out overcast, didn't much matter as we were having breakfast at the Red Caboose Motel in a Dining Car. Good breakfast. Soon after the Museum Crew went about their work and the Parking Crew started to put up our signs. Nick Ladd was not only kind enough to visit with us, he was also the ONLY member we saw read and understand the NO LEFT TURN sign on the southbound entry to NTTM.. Lionel should grab that guy. Fewer people than normal spun their tires or cursed us when we sent them to one of the other parking lots, (we have FIVE) and a Shuttle Bus that we pay for for the members convenience. To the elderly gentleman who cursed me because he had been coming there for a hundred yrs and parked where-ever he wanted before, I'm sorry I didn't realize, we'll remove a tree for the spring just for you ( yea, right). Highlight of the day was the arrival of the Lavinus family, many members of the family, some of whom we have known for years.. Gary's lovely wife Sarah, his Mom, siblings, children and grandchildren were all there for the dedication of the "Observation Car" he was planning to build when he passed away so suddenly. LIONEL displayed a prototype of the LIONEL S gauge U P heavywights, YES, LIONEL, American Flyer does not appear on it anywhere, when I questioned that, the reply was blank stares from the LIONEL guys. Guess there will be A-F purists drying up and blowing away after they remove their LIONEL S gauge cars from the boxes. Still clueless it seems. So once again, members moved our cones to park where THEY wanted to park (refused to help park cars when opportunity offered), some berated us for trying to help them, many thanked us. Three of our crew gave up a days work to volunteer for probably the second most thankless job in TCA. Jim "see you in York" Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41857	From: WEG138@aol.com	Date: 10/19/2006
Subject: Re: Ooze from AF plastic.

Phil K : Does the ooze leave the plastic in a weaker state after it has left the plastic? Can any remaining wax be kept in place by a coating, such as paint or wax? Bill Greaves [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41858	From: Gerald Dobbs	Date: 10/19/2006
Subject: A.F. loco paint

Krylon Semi flat black is a good match.. Also I have good luck using Flow Quill Engine black, mixwd with 50% glaze + thin for air brush Jerry 77-11644

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41859	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 10/19/2006
Subject: Re: New Lionel Northern - TMCC

I just received mine yesterday. I ran it and the sounds are very good but the smoke is not working. It appears the smoke board may be bad, the element is ok. Naturally I had it apart in a few minutes after running to scope out the smoke problem and TMCC conversion. I can be converted to TMCC but only by removing the nice Railsounds. There is no room in the loco for TMCC components, only in the tender. So by removing the Railsounds and adding an ERR Sound Commander and TMCC boards you would have TMCC and good sounds but not as rich as Lionel's original Railsound unit. Also it will have only 2 chuffs per driver revolution instead of 4 but with only one smoke chuff per rev from the smoker it may actually look better. There will also have to be a tether between the tender and loco but that is not a big deal. The smoke element will have to be changed from their 18 ohm to 27 ohms to work with TMCC and bypass their smoke board. It is too bad that the original Railsound boards are so large. O Gauge boards retrofitted to S. The smoke unit sound baffle appears to be installed backwards? This is probably why it does not sound like the original Gilbert chuffer. The baffle is pressed in very tightly so the fix may destroy the original and will be replaced with one that I make. The sharp side of the baffle hole is supposed to be facing the piston to break up the air so it does not whistle. The Factory smoke chuff sound is very bad and needs to be either silenced or reworked. Postings on my web site soon.. I hope to have done in time to take to the Fall S-fest. Carl

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41860	From: waltj2@verizon.net	Date: 10/19/2006
Subject: Re: Ooze from AF plastic

My 2 cents: Basic chemistry: Acid + base = water + a salt If it is an acid, why not do the following? 1. Wipe it off with just plain, warm water. Our tap water has a pH of around 7.5, which is slightly alkaline. A simple pH kit from the pet store, or pool store, can confirm this. Use the strips as they are quicker to use. MUCH safer than using a hair dryer, and it works constantly for me. 2. Make a mild, warm solution of baking soda (a base) & wipe the whells off with it. The base will neutralize the acid. Final wipe down wtih plain warm water. I've used it a few times on wheels that were completely covered with the white "stuff". The warm water will also loosen any "gunk" on the wheels. Haven't noticed any deterioration on any wheels since 1980's. Walt Johnson

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41862	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 10/19/2006
Subject: Re: A.F. loco paint

I have used Krylon Semi Flat Black on a 21130 Hudson, that had allot of Silver paint on the engine and the plastic tender, that someone did to it. I used it for touch up by using a medical glove and spraying the paint into a paper cup. I then used a Q-Tip and lightly used the paint to cover up the silver, even on the silver on the plastic tender. Came out great. I even used it on the bottom of some 600 series passenger cars, that where badly rusted. Since I plan on using these as runners someday and you don't see the bottom, I did not care, if I did not reblue then. I tape up the wheels, as I took the bottom piece off from the body. Difficult, but can be done. Or I could of taped up the car too. Spray the bottoms and they came out great. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: Gerald Dobbs To: colleenandrob@... Cc: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 10:29 AM Subject: [S-Trains] A.F. loco paint Krylon Semi flat black is a good match.. Also I have good luck using Flow Quill Engine black, mixwd with 50% glaze + thin for air brush Jerry 77-11644 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41863	From: strain97009	Date: 10/19/2006
Subject: Portland Oregon Brass Show

The first Annual Portland Brass Show. When: Oct.28, 2006 Where: Shilo Inn Suites & Convention Ctr.- Portland Airport 11707 NE Airport Way Portland, Or 97220 503 525-7500 Directions: From I-205 North or South use Exit 24/Airport Way. Go East about 2 blocks. Hotel is on the left. Time: Clinics at 8:30 and 9:15AM. Show 10AM to 5PM. Admission: $5.00 Display Table, Consignment Table, and Test Tracks will be available. At this time the following dealers are scheduled to attend. From Oregon: Charlie LeCain - Whistle Stop Trains Heather Clark - The Train Room Jim Laskey Jim Oliver Ron Christenson David Dorrance John Featherly Ed Austin - The North Bank Line Jim Walburn - Nothin' Specific RR From Washington: Rawl Martin - Northwest Shortline Keith Ansell Lee Thwaits Tom Noe Pat Furey Jerry Franklin John Benson From California: John Nolan Karl Wandry Steve Stern This is an ALL BRASS or Brass Related show only. No T shirts or other non-related items. At present there are 30 table spoken for so it should be a good representation of Model Railroad Brass. Hope to See you there. Bob Boring Borore@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41864	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 10/19/2006
Subject: Re: York means empty hobby shop!

Stumpy is absolutely correct, things are definitely getting thin. Payments are taking longer to come in, vendors are now calling looking for orders, some have laid off or terminated workers, at least one guy was left go after 23 yrs, just down the block. Petroleum pricing is part of it, our illustrious school board saddled us with a 10.6 % tax increase THIS year, they started out at 13, I guess the reduction was to make us feel "good". The State Legislature (PA) passed a Building Code allowing inspectors to roam your home at will, any time you take out a permit, as people find THAT out, small renovation jobs are disappearing. Permit also means reasssessment, can now raise your taxes 4 times a yr. We got rid of 17 (incumbents) of them in the spring, hope we get rid of more in Nov., but that means people have to vote and think at the same time. Unlikely where I live. Every corner you turn, a tax is being passed or raised. The newly proposed York Week Train Show In York for the Spring will be in the Township where armed police collect their bounty, TWICE a year, it is not an annual tax. Jim "taxed out on the Main Line" Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41865	From: Russ and Beth Rawling	Date: 10/19/2006
Subject: Central New York Model Train Fair, Syracuse, NY- 11/4 & 5

The 32nd annual CNY Model Train Fair will be held Sat. Nov. 4, 2006: 10-6 and Sun. Nov. 5 2006: 10-5 in 2 of the larger buildings at the NYS Fairgrounds in Syracuse, NY. They advertise 150,000 sq. ft. of model railroading. There are 50+ operating layouts including S and 100+ vendors, some S gauge. It is sponsored by the CNY chapter of the Nat'l Railway Historical Society. For more info: (315)-488-8208, CNYNRHS@..., www.cnynrhs.com. They have an original trolley car from Syracuse, some real railroad equipment, and a train loop set-up for kids to have a ride in. There is a pretty big area with displays with model railroad circus themes of various gauges. Russ Rawling Camillus, NY [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41866	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 10/19/2006
Subject: York on Thursday

BEAUTIFUL DAY on the Fairgrounds. Sunny for the most part, probably into the 70's. Got chilly as the clouds moved in later in the afternoon. I would hope that at sometime in their lives, each and everyone could hear "Clem" Clement open a program. The man could not hide his love of country, even if he tried. His short openings, the voice of pride in those who serve and have served, help renew patriotism and love of country. Almost NO one walks or talks during the National Anthem after Clem introduces it. I salute YOU Mr Clement. Thank You. Large variety of Lunch options available. Appears even the Cafeteria (Worlds MOST expensive breakfast, in York) got the idea. Once again, gonna suggest BIG BOB'S, down by Orange Hall in the unmarked (stealth) green trailer. Big Bob must have pulled his pork before the crowd arrived today, lots of raves about the sandwiches. Bob and his family raise all of their own cattle and hogs for their operation. Any one who has partaken of these daily reports has read about Big Bob and the mini-skirt. Thankfully won't happen, not enough cloth in York County, claimed to be the reason. Lunch is at 1130 hours at Big Bob's on Friday. Gonna be there, red suspenders (like the fireman). Sherrie's Crab Cakes on the Midway a good bet for lunch, yummers sandwiches too. Bricker's French Fries are quite evident also as are other epicurian delights. Prices, prices seem to be all over the place. One MTH item, $200 + difference on three tables side by side. Flyer higher, must be the Flea Market pricing theory, IF it didn't sell last time, RAISE the price. I wonder, IF this stuff was affordable, would the number of people in the hobby double, triple??? DON'T send hate mail!!!!!!! Covered Red and White and Purple, some of Orange, saw the modulars, "S" and Standard, S was running, Standard was in the throes of completion. BOTH looked good. Talked with old friends, met some new, don't think I offended anybody (OK, one) today. Most are talking caution in spending, I'm looking for repair parts and parts for a new product idea. And one seemingly impossible link coupler Flyer car. Registration is well run, again. Quick in and out, GREAT Customer Service, if you will. Three of the five in my van found that out. Lots of announcements, unlike the country market, NONE about carrots left behind. Lots of hustle and bustle, people friendly, shuttle buses full as we continue to gentrify. Great job by the FEW who do it. DON'T FORGET, Clem in the back of the Cafeteria, in the AM. Jim "restin' for Friday, on the Main Line" Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41867	From: Bruce D. Willis	Date: 10/19/2006
Subject: Re: Converting couplers - link to knuckle

I use a 1/4" hex socket as a die. Set it on something solid (I use the garage floor). Hold the car on its side with the head of the pin in the socket. A couple sharp (and carefully placed) taps with a hammer down on the end of the pin will punch it out and into the socket. I hope that makes sense. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, WEG138@... wrote: > > I am converting some of my cars from link to knuckle couplers. Two of the > cars are proving to be difficult. Is there a trick to use to remove the pin > holding the link couplers on? Thanks. > Bill > Greaves > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41868	From: David Engle	Date: 10/20/2006
Subject: Re: Converting couplers - link to knuckle

That would probably work--the original conversion kits from AF had a piece of hard copper(?) tubing in them for this same purpose, along with the new coupler heads with the split shank, and the split pin that you put through where the old pin was, then peened the ends over to hold. However, today I would have reservations about this--what about (a), effect on the value of the car, for those so concerned; and (b) the distance between cars; IIRC there was almost an inch added to the space between the cars; again, for those so concerned. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce D. Willis" <willisbd@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 9:56 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Converting couplers - link to knuckle >I use a 1/4" hex socket as a die. Set it on something solid (I use > the garage floor). Hold the car on its side with the head of the pin > in the socket. A couple sharp (and carefully placed) taps with a > hammer down on the end of the pin will punch it out and into the > socket. I hope that makes sense. > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, WEG138@... wrote: >> >> I am converting some of my cars from link to knuckle couplers. Two > of the >> cars are proving to be difficult. Is there a trick to use to remove > the pin >> holding the link couplers on? Thanks. >> > Bill >> Greaves >> >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41869	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 10/20/2006
Subject: Re: Converting couplers - link to knuckle

I use the brass tube to punch out the metal rod..... put it on my vise flat part and punch the pin out with a couple light taps withe a hammer...... i then take the metal pin and using the vise I carefully squeeze the bent pieces of the metal pin back flat against the metal so that it will slip back in the hole...... I keep both the coupler and pin for future repairs to others cars or locos...... when ready I have a tool that slides downt he pin..... couple blows with the hammer and the coupler is reinstalled..... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: David Engle To: Bruce D. Willis ; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 8:47 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Converting couplers - link to knuckle That would probably work--the original conversion kits from AF had a piece of hard copper(?) tubing in them for this same purpose, along with the new coupler heads with the split shank, and the split pin that you put through where the old pin was, then peened the ends over to hold. However, today I would have reservations about this--what about (a), effect on the value of the car, for those so concerned; and (b) the distance between cars; IIRC there was almost an inch added to the space between the cars; again, for those so concerned. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce D. Willis" <willisbd@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 9:56 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Converting couplers - link to knuckle >I use a 1/4" hex socket as a die. Set it on something solid (I use > the garage floor). Hold the car on its side with the head of the pin > in the socket. A couple sharp (and carefully placed) taps with a > hammer down on the end of the pin will punch it out and into the > socket. I hope that makes sense. > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, WEG138@... wrote: >> >> I am converting some of my cars from link to knuckle couplers. Two > of the >> cars are proving to be difficult. Is there a trick to use to remove > the pin >> holding the link couplers on? Thanks. >> > Bill >> Greaves >> >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41870	From: jimensign50@aol.com	Date: 10/20/2006
Subject: Re: Converting couplers - link to knuckle

I share the concern about the reduced clearance on cars that were converted to knuckle couplers. I didn't think about it until I bought a set of 660, 661, 662 passenger cars that had been converted. I already had one set with the original link-style and they run great. When I started running the ones with the knuckle couplers, they often un-coupled on the curves, and sometimes even de-railed. After close observation, I discovered they were nudging each other because of the lack of clearance. They might do OK on a larger radius track, like the 54" K-Line (now Lionel) curve, but I run on the old original stuff. On an unrelated note - anyone out there have any tips on getting the "walking" brakeman to actually move as it's supposed to? I've replaced the mohair pad (twice), the vibrator seem to work just fine, and the rubber mat seems to be in good shape. Any ideas? Did they ever really work? Jim E. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41871	From: M.McConnell	Date: 10/20/2006
Subject: Re: Restoring steam engines

Rob, A club member wrote an article for our newsletter that I put up on the WEB. The article covers some of the near-match paints you can use from off the local store shelf. You can get Walt's clinic notes at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Highlights/files/ >7a. Restoring steam engines > Posted by: "colleenandrob" colleenandrob@... colleenandrob > Date: Wed Oct 18, 2006 6:31 pm (PDT) > >Hello all, > >I'm thinking about restoring some of my cast steam engines (they don't >look very good in their current condition) and I need the name of some >black paints that closely match those used by American Flyer. I have >a display at home and a lot of my cars look great but the engines >don't match up. I'm also sort of cheap and I don't want to spring for >the cans that advertise for $29.99 on ebay. Any ideas would be >helpful. I did restore a royal blue and got a pretty good match from >some inexpensive cans of the almost correct blue from Home Depot. If >you have any suggestions I would appreciate the brand name and color >name. I think a satin would work or perhaps a semi-flat black. I >know there is a difference. Thank you and all the best! Rob

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41872	From: Mark Preman	Date: 10/20/2006
Subject: Repro Comet B Unit

I seem to remember one of our gang was making repro Comet B units. I even remember seeing pictures on a website. I just can't remember who dunnit. But, I'm sure someone on this list will know, right? Thanks in advance. Mark Mark B. Preman AmericanFlyerTrains.com --------------------------------- All-new Yahoo! Mail - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41873	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 10/20/2006
Subject: Re: Repro Comet B Unit

Mark..... I think John Heck did some at one time,..... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Preman To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 12:59 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Repro Comet B Unit I seem to remember one of our gang was making repro Comet B units. I even remember seeing pictures on a website. I just can't remember who dunnit. But, I'm sure someone on this list will know, right? Thanks in advance. Mark Mark B. Preman AmericanFlyerTrains.com --------------------------------- All-new Yahoo! Mail - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41874	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 10/20/2006
Subject: Re: PHIL K

Phil K contact me off list. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41875	From: FEZANDPAZ@aol.com	Date: 10/20/2006
Subject: Re: Converting couplers - link to knuckle

If you are using DC he won't work! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41876	From: cindynovak2003	Date: 10/20/2006
Subject: documenting and tracking inventory

My husband and I have a rather extensive collection. Is there any software available that will allow us to document and track our inventory and it's value? We're looking at this for insurance purposes as well as putting the disposition of these items into our trust/will. Any suggestions are greatly appreciated. Cindy & Paul De Laurell

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41877	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 10/20/2006
Subject: York in the drizzle, sun, clouds, rain, sun, wind and cooler on Fri

Every York Friday starts in the Cafeteria (World's most expensive breakfast, in York) . Katie Elgar of Desert Div fame joined Mr Luppino and I with several of her friends. Al Rice knows better now about sitting at our table. Moderator Paul Olekson joined us for a few, handing out calendars. Keystone Prez Paul Edgar dropped by to see what condition our condition was in. Got to shake hands with BOTH Clems by 0745, and once again got to say Hello to Eastern's First lady, Clem's lovely wife Sandy. Interestingly, in the cafeteria line, apparently when you order your food, it is a simple reference question, they'll give you as they please. My sausage links were suspiciously similar in taste and appearance to bacon. Mad dash to Orange Hall to get my Classic Toy Trains button, without the cane, paid for that later. Sun getting to be in command of morning at that point. Many more people on the Fairgrounds than day before, in fact there was still a line at Registration close to noon, and Registration is well run. Kudos, Dan. LOTS of merchandise, prices as disparate as Thursday, saw a Flyer 303 for $145.00, 312's for $ 125 up to $ 295. (am I sitting on a gold mine or fool's gold?? I query???). I continue to wonder IF prices were lower, would more people join the hobby (NO hate mail, PLEASE) Still buying parts for friends unable to attend most of the day. T-VIII is out (Triumph VIII on the Late, GREAT PRR), got mine early. Bumped into Dan Nettling, Keystone Treas. and Jimmie Millhouse, all three of us worked on the Harrisburg NRHS trip from Harrisburg to Renovo PA on the 14th. Seems lots of TCA members worked that trip, a beautiful excursion behind the same Tuscan Red PRR E-8's that powered the now famous Army-Navy Game Special last year. Lunch at Big Bob's, delicious Beef BBQ, most of the rest of the crew tried the Pork. Several Lancaster Chapter NRHS guys joined us, sandwiches in hand. Hopped a bus (LITTLE yellow buses, now) to Silver Hall and Blue Hall, STILL looking for one Flyer Link Coupler car. Back to Orange to talk to J Don from LIONEL. They are becoming aware of the smoke --choo-choo "squeak" with the Northern, (beautiful engine, by the way) assured me LIONEL would address it. Also not aware of the reasoning for the Pre-War appearing drivers, not sure if prototypical or just happened. Have a Scullen appearance, I DON'T know what they should look like off hand. Despite the best efforts of Eastern Div, tables were emptying and member/dealers were leaving. As I casually observed while talking to a friend, a wife asked why I cared, I used the same old argument, some of us (we make up us) can only attend on Saturday. I left quietly so as not to stir up anymore dust. Spent the rest of the day dodging downpours, wind, sun you name it, York provided it at one time or another. Oh, while checking to see IF Ed Boyle was working (yea, right) at OGR, they pinned their button beside CTT'S. I get lots of buttons that way. Friday night "rush Hour" was like Thursday night rush, just more people in a bigger rush to get a quarter mile to an exit. To sit in traffic. Stopped. Coming thru GAP, PA in the morning?? The HESS is at 2.03 per and WAWA was at 2.05 per, Rockvale steady at 2.07 Lowest I saw in York was at Rt 30 and Pennsylvania Ave, Rutter's at 2.13 per, 2.15 across the corner (more like 6 lanes). Jim "enjoying York a day at a time" Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41878	From: tedcanflyer	Date: 10/20/2006
Subject: Flex-able track

Hi Flyer people, I am looking for some S gauge track that flex's but does not crimp to run my old Flyer on. I have tried Gargraves flex with wooden ties... but what I am trying to do would be so much easier if I could find a similiar product like what Atlas and other companies supply to the HO people. Which seems to have a sliding rail so crimping isn't a problem. Thanks for any and all of your imput. Also, I have to say I just love reading the York messages and look forward to the people who have attended, to post there impressions and of course, what they all have acquired over the week. It's so much fun to dream...Ted

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41879	From: John Foley	Date: 10/20/2006
Subject: Josh Seltzer Website award

Hi Folks Please look to see if your favorite S website has the Josh Seltzer Award voting button and click it. We would like to see more participants. John Foley NASG Promotions [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41880	From: Phil K	Date: 10/20/2006
Subject: Re: documenting and tracking inventory

I use TrainTracker 5.5 and it works great. You can even buy the Flyer data files, which will have everything American Flyer ever made by number, plus you can search by categories like year made, etc. It also gives the current "book" value based on condition for just about every variation of each piece. After you input your collection, you can get a spreadsheet output of what you own, how much you paid for each piece (plus your notes) and the current value of your entire collection (plus a total of what you paid) for tax or insurance purposes. Click this link to get to their website: http://tinyurl.com/yn5t5y I got my copy from Doug Peck at www.portlines.com Phil K ******************************************************************** - -- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "cindynovak2003" <cindynovak2003@...> wrote: > > My husband and I have a rather extensive collection. Is there any > software available that will allow us to document and track our > inventory and it's value? We're looking at this for insurance > purposes as well as putting the disposition of these items into our > trust/will. > Any suggestions are greatly appreciated. > Cindy & Paul De Laurell >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41881	From: Phil K	Date: 10/20/2006
Subject: Re: Flex-able track

I use American Models Flextrack with great success. The rails stay in gauge when you bend it as each rail "slides" in its anchors. Phil K *********************************************************** --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "tedcanflyer" <rturczak@...> wrote: > > Hi Flyer people, > > I am looking for some S gauge track that flex's but does not crimp to > run my old Flyer on. I have tried Gargraves flex with wooden ties... > but what I am trying to do would be so much easier if I could find a > similiar product like what Atlas and other companies supply to the HO > people. Which seems to have a sliding rail so crimping isn't a > problem. Thanks for any and all of your imput. > > Also, I have to say I just love reading the York messages and look > forward to the people who have attended, to post there impressions and > of course, what they all have acquired over the week. It's so much fun > to dream...Ted >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41882	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 10/21/2006
Subject: MY FRIDAY AT YORK

My Friday at York Started by standing in line because I forgot to have my badge mailed to me but that gave me a chance to visit with Frank & Joyce Smith of the SSG. Also Hank Worrel of the SJSG stopped to tell me what I was missing. I then toured the Blue and Silver Halls and never saw so much Flyer in one place. I doubt the anybody in the 50s would have seen that much for sale. In the Silver Hall I was blessed to see Bob Tufts table set up as a memorial with his daughter Valerie greeting people. I and hundreds of others signed the guest book. Over to the Red hall to visit with my friends the Clarks and Vanacores. Always a treat to see and buy something from John & Robin. They doubt that there will ever be another Gilbert tour of the old factory. Finished the day with Doug Peck in the Purple hall. Most Flyer dealers said if we don't get young people involved then Flyer may not sell to another generation. Some how I missed you Jim. Glenn PS The weather was beautiful but windy. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41883	From: Bill Clark	Date: 10/21/2006
Subject: Re: Flex-able track

American Models and S Helper both make flex track. I like the S-Helper best, because it flexes better than any other track I have evert tried. Bill At 03:44 AM 10/21/2006 +0000, tedcanflyer wrote: >Hi Flyer people, > >I am looking for some S gauge track that flex's but does not crimp to >run my old Flyer on. I have tried Gargraves flex with wooden ties... >but what I am trying to do would be so much easier if I could find a >similiar product like what Atlas and other companies supply to the HO >people. Which seems to have a sliding rail so crimping isn't a >problem. Thanks for any and all of your imput. > >Also, I have to say I just love reading the York messages and look >forward to the people who have attended, to post there impressions and >of course, what they all have acquired over the week. It's so much fun >to dream...Ted > > ---------- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41884	From: Bill Lyon	Date: 10/21/2006
Subject: Talking Station Record

I recently picked up a talking station record. Side A says "FOR USE WITH AMERICAN FLYER*" and side B says "FOR USE WITH CONTINENTAL LIMITED*" Both sides also say at the bottom "*TRADEMARK OF GENERAL MILLS" When were these records made, and by whom? I'd appreciate any info. Thanks, Bill Lyon _________________________________________________________________ Stay in touch with old friends and meet new ones with Windows Live Spaces http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwsp0070000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=create&wx_url=/friends.aspx&mkt=en-us

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41885	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 10/21/2006
Subject: Would lower prices attrack folks?

After reading Jim's latest York report (of Friday), I saw his question if lower prices would attract people to the hobby. I have to comment! COLLECTING S: I work at a school and I think we're going to lose the teenagers no matter what we do. They don't remember toy trains with the love we do. If they buy anything it will be the newest stuff, just like they buy computers, cell phones, I-pods, etc. While it would help, I don't think price is the only factor in train collecting being less popular. Folks have less money to spend due to the cost of other things these days. OPERATING S: Old American Flyer doesn't look or run well enough in today's world to attract new people. If they buy S gauge at all, it will probably be S-Helper, American Models, and Flyonel. On the other hand, have you seen the prices much of today's HO scale locomotives are commanding? HO used to be a low priced, small space, entry point to model railroading. But it takes up about the same space as S gauge and is getting almost as costly! (And I can't see it as well anymore!) Stumpy Stone...figuring there's hope for us yet!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41886	From: Art Shifrin	Date: 10/21/2006
Subject: converting couplers on 660 series aluminum cars

As a peripheral note, I converted mine to 3/16s O using original trucks with their original diecast links and they run superbly, at least on 27" and 36" radii curved tracks. I don't run them on my inner-most line of original 20" trackage because once having been seen them on the wider radii curves, they cry out for the more panoramic track dimensions. I don't recall if there were any separating problems on the 20" sections, on which I think I only ran them once. Shiffy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41887	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 10/21/2006
Subject: Re;Flex-able track

I've used S-Helper Service flex track on my S Spree layout to do 15" radius curves. It will go sharper without kinking, but very few S gauge trains will go around less than 12" radius curves! I also like the pre-weathered rail availible with SHS track. It saves me from painting the rail once the track is down. (By the way, DON'T try painting rail before it's laid or the track won't flex without trouble. I learned this the hard way years ago in HO.) Unlike Gargraves track, the other S gauge flex track doesn't "stay bent" like it does. You have to pin SHS and AM down in position and fasten it down with screws or glue. (Don't use nails...another mistake from my HO days.) Stumpy Stone...rabid layout builder in Appalachia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41888	From: Karl Raab	Date: 10/21/2006
Subject: Re: Repro Comet B Unit

Hi Mark You might take a look at this website for the repro Comet 467 http://mywebpages.comcast.net/seg50/index.html They do a number of nice 'rare' American Flyer reproductions. Karl --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Mark Preman <amerflyer@...> wrote: > > I seem to remember one of our gang was making repro Comet B units. I even remember seeing pictures on a website. I just can't remember who dunnit. But, I'm sure someone on this list will know, right? > Thanks in advance. Mark > > > Mark B. Preman > AmericanFlyerTrains.com > > --------------------------------- > All-new Yahoo! Mail - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41889	From: Patrick McElroy	Date: 10/21/2006
Subject: Re: Would lower prices attrack folks?

As a collector of American Flyer for over 30 years now (I started at age 9) I would agree with Jim. The prices of these trains has gotten out of control. I for one love my AF trains but will not recommend the hobby because the prices are unrealistic. My York experience (I attend both spring and fall each year) was very similar to many others. The people who setup and run the meet are fantastic and I salute them for all their hard work. Everybody I met was friendly and helpful and all in all it was a good time. I saw a lot of window shoppers but not a lot of buyers. And unfortunately I was only able to find one car, a like new AF 24574 Air Force Rocket fuel car for $100 (the correct price for this car). This will complete my Defender set which I got the 234 C&O for in E+ for $200 on ebay (also closer to the correct price). And although like many I brought plenty of $$ to purchase other AF with I couldn't find anything that wasn't priced with the range of sanity. As with others I heard several dealers complaining about no one buying and the death of train meets. In my opinion the dealers need a lesson in economics. I have been tracking several dealers tables for a few years now recording what they bring and price. Amazingly most if not all have the same cars every meet with the same ridiculously high prices on them. They must love to cart these back and forth every six months. If the dealers just dropped their prices 5%-10% for each show they do not sell they will eventually find the sweet spot and the actual price points that people are willing to pay. At that point I suspect their tables will empty and they will leave with pockets full of cash/profits. Anyway just my opinion, let the hate mail begin. :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: Stumpy Stone To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 9:02 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Would lower prices attrack folks? After reading Jim's latest York report (of Friday), I saw his question if lower prices would attract people to the hobby. I have to comment! COLLECTING S: I work at a school and I think we're going to lose the teenagers no matter what we do. They don't remember toy trains with the love we do. If they buy anything it will be the newest stuff, just like they buy computers, cell phones, I-pods, etc. While it would help, I don't think price is the only factor in train collecting being less popular. Folks have less money to spend due to the cost of other things these days. OPERATING S: Old American Flyer doesn't look or run well enough in today's world to attract new people. If they buy S gauge at all, it will probably be S-Helper, American Models, and Flyonel. On the other hand, have you seen the prices much of today's HO scale locomotives are commanding? HO used to be a low priced, small space, entry point to model railroading. But it takes up about the same space as S gauge and is getting almost as costly! (And I can't see it as well anymore!) Stumpy Stone...figuring there's hope for us yet! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41890	From: klaatu1944	Date: 10/21/2006
Subject: Railsounds

Does anyone know of a source for the Railsounds boards such as used in the Flyonel Alco 'B' units? Thanks

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41891	From: Phil K	Date: 10/21/2006
Subject: Re: Would lower prices attract folks?

Not hate mail, but a more realistic opinion. It seems to me -- having been in this hobby for years -- that many complainers share the same philosophy: they expect to get top dollar for anything they sell, yet want bargain basement prices for what they buy. This hobby is self-policing. You set a price, and either nobody wants the piece or everybody thinks it is priced too high. So it doesn't sell. Period. No seller is required to keep lowering the price until it lights up some bargain hunter's eyes. And an item is only worth what someone is willing to put in your hand for it. I hear guys saying eBay ruined the hobby. That's BS. It is how in a free market system prices are determined, and whether the complainers like it or not, vintage toy trains are a tradeable commodity. While a person may feel that the prices on eBay are outrageous, the plain and simple fact is -- that's what the stuff is selling for. You mention the "correct price." What do you use as a source to determine these "correct prices"? However, when anyone who feels prices for American Flyer are too outrageously high wants to sell their collection, please call me first. Of course, I'll expect to pay you those bargain prices you're talking about. Phil K **************************************************************** --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick McElroy" <pmcelroy@...> wrote: > > As a collector of American Flyer for over 30 years now (I started at age 9) I would agree with Jim. The prices of these trains has gotten out of control. I for one love my AF trains but will not recommend the hobby because the prices are unrealistic. > > My York experience (I attend both spring and fall each year) was very similar to many others. The people who setup and run the meet are fantastic and I salute them for all their hard work. Everybody I met was friendly and helpful and all in all it was a good time. I saw a lot of window shoppers but not a lot of buyers. And unfortunately I was only able to find one car, a like new AF 24574 Air Force Rocket fuel car for $100 (the correct price for this car). This will complete my Defender set which I got the 234 C&O for in E+ for $200 on ebay (also closer to the correct price). And although like many I brought plenty of $$ to purchase other AF with I couldn't find anything that wasn't priced with the range of sanity. > > As with others I heard several dealers complaining about no one buying and the death of train meets. In my opinion the dealers need a lesson in economics. I have been tracking several dealers tables for a few years now recording what they bring and price. Amazingly most if not all have the same cars every meet with the same ridiculously high prices on them. They must love to cart these back and forth every six months. If the dealers just dropped their prices 5%-10% for each show they do not sell they will eventually find the sweet spot and the actual price points that people are willing to pay. At that point I suspect their tables will empty and they will leave with pockets full of cash/profits. > > Anyway just my opinion, let the hate mail begin. :-) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Stumpy Stone > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 9:02 AM > Subject: [S-Trains] Would lower prices attrack folks? > > > After reading Jim's latest York report (of Friday), I saw his > question if lower prices would attract people to the hobby. I have to > comment! > COLLECTING S: I work at a school and I think we're going to lose the > teenagers no matter what we do. They don't remember toy trains with > the love we do. If they buy anything it will be the newest stuff, > just like they buy computers, cell phones, I-pods, etc. > While it would help, I don't think price is the only factor in train > collecting being less popular. Folks have less money to spend due to > the cost of other things these days. > OPERATING S: Old American Flyer doesn't look or run well enough in > today's world to attract new people. If they buy S gauge at all, it > will probably be S-Helper, American Models, and Flyonel. > On the other hand, have you seen the prices much of today's HO scale > locomotives are commanding? HO used to be a low priced, small space, > entry point to model railroading. But it takes up about the same > space as S gauge and is getting almost as costly! (And I can't see it > as well anymore!) > Stumpy Stone...figuring there's hope for us yet! > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41892	From: trainnut2us	Date: 10/21/2006
Subject: dcc with AM 4-8-4

There we're a couple of questions about American models 4-8-4, that I did not see any replys to, on S scale list: 1. Has anyone a runing amp rating, for selecting decoder? 2. One answer of a 3 amp stall is this others finding as well, and does this also apply to gripon treads? 3. Has any one calculated the Smoke units power draw? 4. Ed, sugested low voltage draw relay to activate smoke unit with decoder has anyone done this and what part number and source worked. Thanks ahead of time,

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41894	From: Phil K	Date: 10/21/2006
Subject: More thoughts on prices

To elaborate on my previous post, I think it is a huge mistake to lump all American Flyer trains into one category, as is being done in several posts. To me, I see two distinct aspects: operating and collecting. The two should not be confused, nor should they overlap. Prices are NOT keeping people out of our hobby. Not at all. I go to 20-30 train shows a year, and I see a lot of very affordable American Flyer on tables just waiting for a newbie to buy them. Atlantics and some Pacifics are priced dirt cheap, and you can buy plenty of operator-quality rolling stock (and not all with Pikemaster couplers) without needing to take out a second mortgage. Even bargains are available on eBay. At any given moment, you can buy any number of common sets from the late 1950s and early 1960s for less than $100 -- you know, the ones in the red and white set boxes with the cardboard inserts. Those sets contain five-digit Atlantics or the Casey Jones-style locomotives and common rolling stock. Four years ago, one of my employees (a newlywed, age 25) wanted to buy her husband an American Flyer train set to run under their first Christmas tree. They wouldn't know -- and didn't care -- whether the engine was a 21168 or a 21130. I went to a train show and got them set up with a locomotive with S/CC, eight pieces of rolling stock, 40 pieces of track, track clip and a transformer for $95. And you know what? They adore it. To boot, every year since she has bought her husband any/all Christmas cars made by Flyonel and S-Helper. THAT's how people get started in this hobby, not buy buying an E+ MP set. One of the locomotives mentioned by Patrick McElroy was a 234 in E+ condtion. Let's be honest -- because of their rarity, and the fact that most of the 234s had the yellow paint on the chassis and handrails chip off -- that engine fits more in the "collector" category. It and its ilk are not good examples for the purpose of this discussion. He said he bought it to complete the rare Defender set -- sounds to me like a collector talking. So don't expect to find 336s in E condition for under $450 -- because they're rare -- and as such are only desirable to "collectors." Operators don't care about pieces being rare or in LN or E+ condition. But collectors do. At different times, I function as both, and I understand the difference. In my collection besides a lot of pre- and post-war A.C. Gilbert and Flyonel Flyer, I have many SHS, American Hi-Rail and AM locos and rolling stoc, too. So, once a person starts to get picky about what loco and rolling stock numbers he has/acquires/wishes to acquire, and what pristine condition they're in, he is a collector, not an operator. One other factor that needs to be considered -- geographic location, and the local economy. I live in Chicagoland where train shows, collecting, operating, and train stores are still a pretty big deal. Perhaps in Stumpy's locale, the situation is different due to a different economic situation. I'm not sure of that, but it is something else we should consider. In order to discuss this as accurately as possible, we need to assess the overall picture. Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41895	From: Al Baker	Date: 10/21/2006
Subject: Collecting American Flyer, eBay, prices, my hobby - a perspective

Hi All, I would like to give you what might be a little different perspective. Although I was born & raised in Pennsylvania, in the heartland of American Flyer collectors, operators, shows, clubs, and other various activities, for most of the last 40+ years I have lived mostly in the Portland Oregon area. Life is a little different out here with respect to our hobby. First, the nearest club with any S gauge involvement is a small S- Scale group about 40 miles south. I belong to the local TCA, which has exactly one other S Gauger. Of their four operating layouts, none is S Gauge. As for shows, we usually can come up with one per year, but any more than that is a real bonus! And at those shows, one is lucky to see more than just a few pieces of Flyer. If you drive 150 miles north to Seattle, you can find one or two more shows per year. Now in my mid sixties, I had American Flyer as a kid like most of you. But my parents got rid of it when I went into the Air Force. I have always had an interest in railroading, but never the time or money as an adult, to pursue it – until recently. A little over three years ago my wife started exploring eBay. I had heard of it, but that's about all. One day I was talking to her about trains, etc, and mentioned my old American Flyers, my love for the PRR, and the K-5 that I loved so much. A couple hours later she calls me to her computer, and shows me a 310 for sale on eBay!! As far as I knew, the very last piece of American Flyer had hit the garbage dump 30 years prior !! I had no idea that any still existed. You can not imagine my instant excitement. To make a long story short, I still have that 310, but it is now part of collection of about fifty other American Flyer engines which I now have. Almost every one of those engines and other equipments, was bought on eBay. Yes, I rely on eBay as my primary source of supply. I have virtually no other choice. I have many times shopped the websites that do internet sales. But frankly, I find them very, very high priced. I have bought lots of good stuff off eBay for 20%-30% lower prices. I have yet to buy a single piece from a website. Sure lots of things go for outrageous prices on eBay. But if you watch prices regularly, and shop wisely, I have got many very good deals. So, I am very thankful for eBay, without it I simply would not have the hobby which I enjoy so much now. And I suspect this might be true also for lots of folks that are outside the mid-Atlantic and mid-western states where, as regards to this hobby, it is a whole other world! Al Baker Portland, OR

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41896	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 10/21/2006
Subject: Wrapping it up inYork

Slept in, only a 45 minute drive on a Saturday morning. Gas prices dropping now, 2.03 per in Gap (4 cent drop in 24 hrs) 2.13 on BOTH corners of Pennsylvania Ave and Rt 30 in York. Election Day getting closer. Lots of bustle on the Fairgrounds, maybe a bigger Saturday crowd than recent memory. Dan said the numbers were good, I didn't write them down, Clem will report shortly, I'm sure. The Eastern Crew does run a "Class" operation. Seemed to be packages going out the doors, more dealers were willing to "negotiate". We got our last round of parts, won't run out til tomorrow, I guess. Tried the Pork BBQ at Big Bob's today, probably a good dietary situation that there are miles between his operation and my dinner table. We found and left York behind in the SUN today, pleasant weather for October, in a GREAT place to be. Jim " East of York, South of the Keystone Main " Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41897	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 10/21/2006
Subject: York, the Addendum

Most of the Men's Restrooms on the Fairgrounds had a list of "Laws" posted on the Bulletin Boards (over the urinals). One obviously missed is "Lyle's Law", to wit: IF a "Study" is totally unnecessary, the Government will fund it fully-- IF the results are "inconclusive", Congress will pass new laws based on the size of monetary contributions from those who will profit most. Read AMTRAK and ACELA (train content as required). Jim Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41898	From: Lawrence Schliessmann	Date: 10/21/2006
Subject: prices and our hobby

I have to add my two cents. As a collector, operator and dealer (closed the store last year due to a lack of buyers, and yes, prices were a main reason), I think the pricing is driving young people from the hobby. Most kids are not collectors (obviously) and most kids are going to play their trains into the ground the way many of us did. I had young fathers call me about starter sets for Christmas gifts and, once they heard the prices of new sets, decided to go with N, HO (complete starter sets available for both at under 100.00), or Garden trains ( G gauge starter sets for under 200.00). While the quality coming from S and O gauge manufacturers is excellent, what they charge is too high. MTH is a serious example, but Lionel, SHS are not much more affordable. Since it is all manufactured in China where, we all know, wages and overhead are very low, one must wonder why pricing is so inflated. But the reason for this is not as important as the impact of the hobby. Pricing is driving newbies to look for something else. I purchased an American Models engine last year and another one this year. Both times I could not help but wonder how anyone with a family and several kids could afford to buy them too, and then add on everything else to make a set ... It is commendable to purchase a used set for someone the way you did, Phil. However, few parents will buy a used set for their child as a Christmas gift. If pricing kills the hobby, who will be around to collect what we all have now, once we've cashed in our chips? The other part of the equation, is that most of our generation did not play with trains as kids. I cannot recall too many guys at school or those friends I had in the neighborhood who did. Maybe five to ten. (I grew up in rural --really, it used to be, way back when, potatoes and ducks-- Long Island where the nearest hobby shop was a good hour's drive). So, I do not think we should expect a lot of younger folks to be involved now or collecting later. Maybe not as many as we produced, especially if pricing continues to rise as is has been. This is not just a S gauge problem. Since I've gone this far, as a TCA member, I have to add that not allowing new members to be nominated by less that 2 members, is also driving newbies away. To say that it is not, I feel, is a bit shortsighted. I also belong to LCCA (due to the business, I really don't collect the dreaded 3 railers), and all that required was submitting a completed form and paying dues. Their membership is growing. To make this hobby thrive, we all must think about the future, and remember that the price of a barrel of oil will, in the not too distant future, reach 80.00 and higher. Finally (I know- at last!), I think this hobby is terrific! I have met some great men and women from all walks of life including a lot of PRR and Southern Serves the South guys. Great conversations always. I want it to survive and believe it can and will, if it changes with the times, and remains affordable. Best to all, Larry Schliessmann PS: Lemax Buildings are very close to 1:64 (check our Kmart) ----- Original Message ----- From: Phil K To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: 10/21/2006 2:15:53 PM Subject: [S-Trains] More thoughts on prices To elaborate on my previous post, I think it is a huge mistake to lump all American Flyer trains into one category, as is being done in several posts. To me, I see two distinct aspects: operating and collecting. The two should not be confused, nor should they overlap. Prices are NOT keeping people out of our hobby. Not at all. I go to 20-30 train shows a year, and I see a lot of very affordable American Flyer on tables just waiting for a newbie to buy them. Atlantics and some Pacifics are priced dirt cheap, and you can buy plenty of operator-quality rolling stock (and not all with Pikemaster couplers) without needing to take out a second mortgage. Even bargains are available on eBay. At any given moment, you can buy any number of common sets from the late 1950s and early 1960s for less than $100 -- you know, the ones in the red and white set boxes with the cardboard inserts. Those sets contain five-digit Atlantics or the Casey Jones-style locomotives and common rolling stock. Four years ago, one of my employees (a newlywed, age 25) wanted to buy her husband an American Flyer train set to run under their first Christmas tree. They wouldn't know -- and didn't care -- whether the engine was a 21168 or a 21130. I went to a train show and got them set up with a locomotive with S/CC, eight pieces of rolling stock, 40 pieces of track, track clip and a transformer for $95. And you know what? They adore it. To boot, every year since she has bought her husband any/all Christmas cars made by Flyonel and S-Helper. THAT's how people get started in this hobby, not buy buying an E+ MP set. One of the locomotives mentioned by Patrick McElroy was a 234 in E+ condtion. Let's be honest -- because of their rarity, and the fact that most of the 234s had the yellow paint on the chassis and handrails chip off -- that engine fits more in the "collector" category. It and its ilk are not good examples for the purpose of this discussion. He said he bought it to complete the rare Defender set -- sounds to me like a collector talking. So don't expect to find 336s in E condition for under $450 -- because they're rare -- and as such are only desirable to "collectors." Operators don't care about pieces being rare or in LN or E+ condition. But collectors do. At different times, I function as both, and I understand the difference. In my collection besides a lot of pre- and post-war A.C. Gilbert and Flyonel Flyer, I have many SHS, American Hi-Rail and AM locos and rolling stoc, too. So, once a person starts to get picky about what loco and rolling stock numbers he has/acquires/wishes to acquire, and what pristine condition they're in, he is a collector, not an operator. One more element to consider -- geographic location and the local economy. I live in the Chicagoland area, where train shows and collecting and operating are still a pretty big deal. Maybe in some other areas, like in Stumpy's locale of Appalachia, outside factors may be affecting the local economy and so train sales aren't so good. But I think when we discuss this subject, we should focus on the overall picture. Phil K [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41899	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/21/2006
Subject: Sunday Chat, 10/22/2006, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 41900	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 10/21/2006
Subject: I was WRONG!!!

In a message dated 10/19/2006 10:46:26 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, WJJIM@... writes: Every corner you turn, a tax is being passed or raised. The newly proposed York Week Train Show In York for the Spring will be in the Township where armed police collect their bounty, TWICE a year, it is not an annual tax. WRONG--WRONG--WRONG As of this writing I had the WRONG York County Township in mind. Springettsbury Twp, location of the NEW show does not currently collect the "painless" tax, Manchester Twp (Holiday-Billy Budd) does. My apologies to Fred and Barry, I committed to participating in the Spring this AM. Commitment is a possibility anyway, I collect Trains. Jim Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41901	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 10/21/2006
Subject: Re: Restoring steam engines

If you have any suggestions I would appreciate the brand name and color name. I think a satin would work or perhaps a semi-flat black. KRYLON Semi-Gloss Auto paint should be close and look good. Used on under-hood brackets, frames etc. IF I can remember correctly, ACG used Sherwin-Williams paints, owners of KRYLON brand. Jim "on the Old Broad Way" Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41902	From: Mike Vana	Date: 10/21/2006
Subject: UP 4-8-4 drivers

Jim Lyle wrote: They (Lionel) are becoming aware of the smoke --choo-choo "squeak" with the Northern, (beautiful engine, by the way) assured me LIONEL would address it. Also not aware of the reasoning for the Pre-War appearing drivers, not sure if prototypical or just happened. Have a Scullen appearance, I DON'T know what they should look like off hand. AF 4-8-4's do have different driver centers than the other steam locos AF made, and they follow the UP prototype in design. Mike Vana Omaha, NE. - Happy no one is calling it a "Challenger", which is incorrect anyway. (A Challenger is a 4-6-6-4).

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41903	From: G C	Date: 10/21/2006
Subject: Re: Restoring steam engines

Kalmbach put out a book on Toy Trains in which there is a portion on restoring a Lionel locomotive. I believe the guy who wrote the section used some sort of fireplace or woodstove black spray paint. I don't have the book, but I remember reading it in the library Gene Cimino --------------------------------- Want to be your own boss? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41904	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 10/21/2006
Subject: Re: dcc with AM 4-8-4

In a message dated 10/21/2006 12:10:36 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, trainnut2us@... writes: There we're a couple of questions about American models 4-8-4, that I did not see any replys to, on S scale list: 1. Has anyone a runing amp rating, for selecting decoder? 2. One answer of a 3 amp stall is this others finding as well, and does this also apply to gripon treads? 3. Has any one calculated the Smoke units power draw? 4. Ed, sugested low voltage draw relay to activate smoke unit with decoder has anyone done this and what part number and source worked. Thanks ahead of time, My AM Northern draws 1.1 amp pulling 14 mixed Gilbert and SHS cars up my 5% grade at 12 v AC. Any 2 amp decoder should be very adequate. Steve SnS Trains Boise, Idaho [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41905	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 10/21/2006
Subject: Power pack question

As many of you know, I have converted my old Flyer Atlantic and Pacifics to DC power using the SnS conversions and no reverse units.. I also have Putt/Rex engines that run DC power. I use these on both my small home layout and my smaller display layout which goes to train shows. I've been using two different DC packs to power these trains. One is the big MRC 6200 which is designed to run both HO and G scale trains on two different power modes. My Flyer stuff runs just fine pulling 10 cars in the HO mode which puts out 14.5 volts at 27 VA. The second pack is a Bachmann Spectrum set pack which puts out 15 volts at 10VA. While it runs the Putt engines fine, it seems down on power for the DC converted old Flyer locos. I want to replace the Bachmann pack with alittle bigger pack, but I don't really want to spend the big bucks for another MRC 6200. I've thought about using an AC pack and rectifier but don't like the conplication. What would you suggest? Stumpy Stone...looking for juice in Appalachia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41906	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 10/21/2006
Subject: Re: Power pack question

----- Original Message ----- From: Stumpy Stone . . . . . . . I've thought about using an AC pack and rectifier but don't like the complication. What would you suggest? . . . . . . . > > > > > > You can certainly use an AC pack (a good old AF transformer, for instance) and a full wave bridge rectifier to produce the current you need for your converted AF locos. Add a DPDT switch and there's your direction control. And it's not as complicated as it sounds. The drawback with this is that the start-up voltage will be rather high and you will lose low speed control. Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41907	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 10/22/2006
Subject: New AF Northern 800 Review and TMCC conversion.

I have posted my just completed TMCC conversion of the AF/Lionel 800 Northern. Also a brief review of the Loco is included with photos. The link is: http://www.tuveson.com/800northern/800northern.htm Carl

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41908	From: David Dewey	Date: 10/22/2006
Subject: On prices and attracting youngsters

WARNING I'm probably going to ramble in this post. . . As for prices, and folks bringing the same stuff to meets over and over. In some ways we are in a declining market (note I said 'in some ways" -- the market is complex). If you bought an item 10 years ago when times were "hot" and everything was going up. Now you want to sell it, and you want to get more than what you paid for it. So you drag it from show to show, and no one buys, but dang! you're not going to lose money on it, right? Um well, let's see, it occupys space on your table and in your storage--in the biz that's called "flooring" and it adds to the cost of an item, which is why you see Staples, etc. with clearance tables where stuff that isn't moving is blown out at under cost, so there's room for something more likely to be profitable (sometimes it isn't, and out comes the clearance table again). If you're a hobbiest who sells at shows for a side income, you probably don't pay attention to flooring (but I'll bet you gripe about falling prices! :) ). Falling prices: well, some operator grade pieces are definately coming down, but it appears the "mint" (uh oh, there's that word!) stuff seems to be appreciating. Part of this is because collectors as a group are becoming more aware of what they want to see cosmetically in their collections. Operators are being given other options with SHS, AM and even the newer Flyonel--and even I have to admit that there are some nice features in the new stuff; probably stuff ACG himself would have done, if he were still around. E-Bay: Well, living out here on the "left coast" and in a somewhat rural area, I too have little selection in train shows, and even less in hobby shops, so I must rely on eBay and mail order to find my AF and parts. Sometimes I get a bargin, many times I get outbid (especially with only a 24K dial up--thank you phone company :( ). Just this am, I was going to bid on an early model T horn (for a friend, as I already have this horn for my car) as it was going for around $50. Well, I my bid wasn't even in the running, at the last minute it was bid up to $158.00!!! Egads, think I'll put a better lock on my garage! Oh, well gotta find something else to give Lloyd for Christmas. . . . And as to the "York Week" bargin days on eBay, well it didn't happen this time for me at least! RATS. . . Youngsters: Sorry gang, the new generation is REALLY different from us. They have even less social interaction than we did, they seldom see a train, even though trains are busier than ever, but use even fewer people to run them (so dad, or uncle etc. doesn't work for a railroad) and they are way too busy blasting aliens from the little screen to play with a toy that requires one to assemble or use imagination to "see" it crossing mountains, bridges, tunnels, etc. Check into a hobby shop today, most everthing is RTR, or snap together, pre painted. Model sales are way down. 'Tis a different world out there, and although I know it's been said for centuries, "this next generation is the end of society!" seems to have an ominus ring to it. Egads, guess I'm becoming a geezer. BTW, prices; just talked to a fellow who has his parent's 48 & '49 income tax forms; $800 annual income. Hmm, cheap AF set was $19.95--that's a pretty major chunk out of that annual income! BTW, my Grey Northern arrived. That blew my budget--it wasn't suppose to be here until next year! Hope they figure out the backwards choo baffle & supply a fix. S' David D. Chat tonite! 5pm EDT.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41909	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 10/22/2006
Subject: Re: On prices and attracting youngsters

On the 4-8-4 Choo choo issue, J Don Reese of LIONEL fame told me Friday they are starting to field complaints from consumers and he is SURE Lionel will fix the squeaky-cho choo. Jim "livin' on the Keystone Main" Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41910	From: George Cohn	Date: 10/22/2006
Subject: Re: On prices and attracting youngsters

David Dewey wrote: > Youngsters: Sorry gang, the new generation is REALLY different from us. > They have even less social interaction than we did, they seldom see a train, > even though trains are busier than ever, but use even fewer people to run them > (so dad, or uncle etc. doesn't work for a railroad) and they are way too > busy blasting aliens from the little screen to play with a toy that > requires one to assemble or use imagination to "see" it crossing mountains, bridges, > tunnels, etc. AMEN! As a "geezer" who's taking computer science classes at the local Community College, I can confirm that. The instructors will usually poll the class to find out which ones are gamers and which ones think taking the class will land them that $100K job. Always amuses me when we start out with 26 students and by the end, only half are left. And yes, most of the ones that left were gamers. I got my first AF Christmas set over a half century ago and they are just as much fun now as then. I got a special treat for Christmas around 1954 was my dad bought the store display for $183. Yes, one of those 5 X 9 boards with the Mini-Craft buildings and a handful of operating accessories. Still have it although it's stored away right now. Hope to dig it out soon and set it up again. I made a huge display shelf a few months ago for my AF collection and was surprised to see that it only held half of what I had. ;-) I get them out every once in a while and set up some track around my shop and just take a step back in time to the 1950's. Guess it's an old man thing..... George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41911	From: Phil K	Date: 10/22/2006
Subject: Something to consider about today's kids

There lately has a huge push by clubs, etc., to grow the hobby to today's youth -- especially through shows and exhibitions. I realize it will not be an instant fix, but could produce results down the line. Remember, I have the patience of a Cubs fan. LOL Here's what needs to be considered, though: The kids that through these shows, etc., are becoming attracted to operating model trains are not yet in the work force, don't have disposable income, and lack the independent mobility to get to hobby shops. So, the concept of getting kids into running trains -- the decision to buy trains immediately -- is being sold right now to THE PARENTS who may bring these kids to train layout exhibits. Or, more likely, Grandpa or Grandma bringing the grandchildren. Those parents are from the generation following mine, where they don't know what it's like to sit waiting for the Sears Christmas toy catalog to arrive so they could droll over the trains and train sets. We're dealing with a parental generation right now that didn't have the exposure to trains as we did when we were kids -- or that (hopefully) today's kids are being exposed to at these shows. I'm guessing a lot of seeds are being planted, and we just need to wait for the results. In less than two weeks, my club will be running Fall S Fest. There will be free train rides in the parking lot on the Operation Lifesaver train all day Friday, and we've got over 5,000 square feet of operating layouts -- including one for the kids to run -- and we're letting the public in for FREE both Friday and Saturday. And the entire family can roam the 17,000 square-foot Trading Room for $7.50. This year we're billing it strongly as "Fall S Fest Train Show" to better identify it to those outside the loop, which we sometimes forget is very small. We also tend to forget that the general public has no idea what "Fall S Fest" is and therefore will not respond in kind to such a sign or notice. So we're billing it as a "free train show" in an attempt to intice the general public to attend. I still remember a few years ago reading about the NASG Convention being in Wisconsin. I was getting back into model trains and hadn't yet joined a club -- but I wanted to see what American Flyer I could find in the trading room. So after driving 100 miles one way to get there, I was told I had to pay the full $55 convention fee -- just to enter and shop in the trading room for a couple of hours. (This was the NASG policy at that time, and NOT of the host Badgerland S Gaugers'.) Which to me was totally ridiculous, and not the way to grow our hobby. And thankfully, that policy has since been changed. The last thing we need to do is get in our own way. Anyway, I'll let you all know how it works out. Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41912	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 10/22/2006
Subject: need a little history help

Probably a lot of you know the answers off the top of your heads - When did A C Gilbert introduce the first GP7s ? When did A C Gilbert introduce the first PAs &PBs ? (Warning: I am going somewhere with this.) Tom Hawley [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41913	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 10/22/2006
Subject: Re: need a little history help

1950 for both. The GP-7 was the 370 & the PA's were the 360 & 361 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41914	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 10/22/2006
Subject: Re: need a little history help

This is according to my T&M Guide. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41915	From: colleenandrob	Date: 10/22/2006
Subject: Engine painting...Thank you all!!!

Yes, the popular vote is for Krylon semi-black. I'm going to try the baking at low temp and short duration as well. This is going to be a fun project and I'm going to re-letter them also. I'll try to post my results but it's going to be a few weeks. I want to thank you and all the other members for the timely as well as very informative replies. I've seen videos on the RFD channel of some American Flyer layouts and the condition of the running equipment is astonishing. I wonder if some of the folks in this videos may have done some owner restoration because it's a wonder some of the engines survived in such great shape. I guess you can find mint stuff but I haven't had much luck and some things I've purchased on ebay fall way short of their auction description. I'll know the things I restore aren't original but when I look at them I'll just imagine they are and imagination is a big part of model railroading anyway, Thanks again, Rob "Bruce D. Willis" <willisbd@...> wrote: You can add my vote for the Krylon semi-flat black. It looks great. I've used it on a couple engines, without primer, after striping off the old paint. One of them has chipped a little where it hit cars after it came uncoupled and I couldn't stop it in time. The other one I did a little differently and it still looks new. After letting the paint dry, I was told to put it in the oven and bake it a bit to set the paint better. It stinks pretty bad so you have to have a fan in the window to exhaust the kitchen. And of course, this is metal parts only - shell, truck frames, steam chest, pilot, etc. But its been so long, I don't remember what temperature or for how long. I think it was about 10 minutes at 300F (can anyone else speak to this?). It also took just a little of the flat out of the paint - it's slightly glossier than the chipped one. - Bruce W.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41916	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 10/22/2006
Subject: Re: NASG Meeting

I was bumped on my flight to York this past week, and now would like to have more details on the next NASG meeting. Would someone be so kind to list the details, location, activities etc. Jerry Matsick Jax S Ville

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41917	From: FEZANDPAZ@aol.com	Date: 10/22/2006
Subject: Re: Power pack question

I do that with my flyer 22090 transformer. I don't have a problem with the low speed start up but I only run DC Gilbert trains. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41918	From: G C	Date: 10/22/2006
Subject: Re: A.F. loco paint

Jerry, I hate to ask this, but is the engine black you used from the old Flo Quill formulation or the newer stuff? Gene Cimino --------------------------------- Want to be your own boss? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41919	From: Gill W. Lott	Date: 10/23/2006
Subject: Re: York in the drizzle, sun, clouds, rain, sun, wind and cooler on

I can't believe that none of you where in the Black Hall to see Flyers running!!!!!! Then again I got to only three other halls, two just before closing. I was having too much fun running my trains!!!!!!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41920	From: frank emiro	Date: 10/23/2006
Subject: Re: prices and our hobby

I must say I totally agree with Larry. Maybe a new FLYER F 9 cheapo set in S is over due for X-mas and beginers? Lawrence Schliessmann <schliess@...> wrote: I have to add my two cents. As a collector, operator and dealer (closed the store last year due to a lack of buyers, and yes, prices were a main reason), I think the pricing is driving young people from the hobby. Most kids are not collectors (obviously) and most kids are going to play their trains into the ground the way many of us did. I had young fathers call me about starter sets for Christmas gifts and, once they heard the prices of new sets, decided to go with N, HO (complete starter sets available for both at under 100.00), or Garden trains ( G gauge starter sets for under 200.00). While the quality coming from S and O gauge manufacturers is excellent, what they charge is too high. MTH is a serious example, but Lionel, SHS are not much more affordable. Since it is all manufactured in China where, we all know, wages and overhead are very low, one must wonder why pricing is so inflated. But the reason for this is not as important as the impact of the hobby. Pricing is driving newbies to look for something else. I purchased an American Models engine last year and another one this year. Both times I could not help but wonder how anyone with a family and several kids could afford to buy them too, and then add on everything else to make a set ... It is commendable to purchase a used set for someone the way you did, Phil. However, few parents will buy a used set for their child as a Christmas gift. If pricing kills the hobby, who will be around to collect what we all have now, once we've cashed in our chips? The other part of the equation, is that most of our generation did not play with trains as kids. I cannot recall too many guys at school or those friends I had in the neighborhood who did. Maybe five to ten. (I grew up in rural --really, it used to be, way back when, potatoes and ducks-- Long Island where the nearest hobby shop was a good hour's drive). So, I do not think we should expect a lot of younger folks to be involved now or collecting later. Maybe not as many as we produced, especially if pricing continues to rise as is has been. This is not just a S gauge problem. Since I've gone this far, as a TCA member, I have to add that not allowing new members to be nominated by less that 2 members, is also driving newbies away. To say that it is not, I feel, is a bit shortsighted. I also belong to LCCA (due to the business, I really don't collect the dreaded 3 railers), and all that required was submitting a completed form and paying dues. Their membership is growing. To make this hobby thrive, we all must think about the future, and remember that the price of a barrel of oil will, in the not too distant future, reach 80.00 and higher. Finally (I know- at last!), I think this hobby is terrific! I have met some great men and women from all walks of life including a lot of PRR and Southern Serves the South guys. Great conversations always. I want it to survive and believe it can and will, if it changes with the times, and remains affordable. Best to all, Larry Schliessmann PS: Lemax Buildings are very close to 1:64 (check our Kmart) ----- Original Message ----- From: Phil K To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: 10/21/2006 2:15:53 PM Subject: [S-Trains] More thoughts on prices To elaborate on my previous post, I think it is a huge mistake to lump all American Flyer trains into one category, as is being done in several posts. To me, I see two distinct aspects: operating and collecting. The two should not be confused, nor should they overlap. Prices are NOT keeping people out of our hobby. Not at all. I go to 20-30 train shows a year, and I see a lot of very affordable American Flyer on tables just waiting for a newbie to buy them. Atlantics and some Pacifics are priced dirt cheap, and you can buy plenty of operator-quality rolling stock (and not all with Pikemaster couplers) without needing to take out a second mortgage. Even bargains are available on eBay. At any given moment, you can buy any number of common sets from the late 1950s and early 1960s for less than $100 -- you know, the ones in the red and white set boxes with the cardboard inserts. Those sets contain five-digit Atlantics or the Casey Jones-style locomotives and common rolling stock. Four years ago, one of my employees (a newlywed, age 25) wanted to buy her husband an American Flyer train set to run under their first Christmas tree. They wouldn't know -- and didn't care -- whether the engine was a 21168 or a 21130. I went to a train show and got them set up with a locomotive with S/CC, eight pieces of rolling stock, 40 pieces of track, track clip and a transformer for $95. And you know what? They adore it. To boot, every year since she has bought her husband any/all Christmas cars made by Flyonel and S-Helper. THAT's how people get started in this hobby, not buy buying an E+ MP set. One of the locomotives mentioned by Patrick McElroy was a 234 in E+ condtion. Let's be honest -- because of their rarity, and the fact that most of the 234s had the yellow paint on the chassis and handrails chip off -- that engine fits more in the "collector" category. It and its ilk are not good examples for the purpose of this discussion. He said he bought it to complete the rare Defender set -- sounds to me like a collector talking. So don't expect to find 336s in E condition for under $450 -- because they're rare -- and as such are only desirable to "collectors." Operators don't care about pieces being rare or in LN or E+ condition. But collectors do. At different times, I function as both, and I understand the difference. In my collection besides a lot of pre- and post-war A.C. Gilbert and Flyonel Flyer, I have many SHS, American Hi-Rail and AM locos and rolling stoc, too. So, once a person starts to get picky about what loco and rolling stock numbers he has/acquires/wishes to acquire, and what pristine condition they're in, he is a collector, not an operator. One more element to consider -- geographic location and the local economy. I live in the Chicagoland area, where train shows and collecting and operating are still a pretty big deal. Maybe in some other areas, like in Stumpy's locale of Appalachia, outside factors may be affecting the local economy and so train sales aren't so good. But I think when we discuss this subject, we should focus on the overall picture. Phil K [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41921	From: hugoroundhouse	Date: 10/23/2006
Subject: Beat me about the head and shoulders!!

I know this has been posted several times, but a recent stupid, numb- skulled mistake on my part prompts me to remind everyone to always, ALWAYS, make sure you find out how much the shipping and handling will be on an e-bay purchase. I recently purchased a 308 set for my son and new grandson as part of their Christmas present. I paid about $50 for the set (it's not complete) but when I went to check out, I found out it was going to run me $38 for shipping and handling. Of course, I have no way of knowing how much of a "fee" there is as part of the $38 total, but there has to be some as the set is not that heavy. As I went back to the item listing, sure enough - there it was, clearly spelled out in a link. I have only myself to blame, but it will be the last time I buy from that seller, regardless of the purchase price. Still not wise after all these years.... Jim E.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41922	From: Gerald Dobbs	Date: 10/23/2006
Subject: Re: A.F. loco paint

It is the older paint. When I mix paint, I put a sample on a sheet of clear material, let it dry, then lay it on the item I am matching. I have found out that all manufactures were just painting toys. No real attempt to maintain the same color. If a painter was running short of paint, at the end of a run, I am sure he dumped any similar color into the paint gun in order to finish the day. Jerry On Sun, 22 Oct 2006 19:04:58 -0700 (PDT) G C <ecphora123@...> writes: Jerry, I hate to ask this, but is the engine black you used from the old Flo Quill formulation or the newer stuff? Gene Cimino Want to be your own boss? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41923	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 10/23/2006
Subject: Re: York in the drizzle, sun, clouds, rain, sun, wind and cool...

Thursday's message, in part: "Covered Red and White and Purple, some of Orange, saw the modulars, "S" and Standard, S was running, Standard was in the throes of completion. BOTH looked good." Jim [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41924	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 10/23/2006
Subject: Re: York in the drizzle, sun, clouds, rain, sun, wind andcooler on

Hi Gill! I made it to the Blue, Silver, Red and Purple. There was a layout room up there but the hall color was not noted or it blew away. Baltimore AF's layout was running as well as Standard gauge. I looked closely at the AF layout but no one came over to say hello so I moved on. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: Gill W. Lott To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Cc: Gill Lott Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 9:07 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: York in the drizzle, sun, clouds, rain, sun, wind andcooler on Frid I can't believe that none of you where in the Black Hall to see Flyers running!!!!!! Then again I got to only three other halls, two just before closing. I was having too much fun running my trains!!!!!! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41925	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 10/23/2006
Subject: Re: Beat me about the head and shoulders!!

YOU MIGHT SEND THEM A NOTE QUESTIONING THE FEES.....MANY TIMES THEY REDUCE THEM..... BOB ----- Original Message ----- From: hugoroundhouse To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 11:47 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Beat me about the head and shoulders!! I know this has been posted several times, but a recent stupid, numb- skulled mistake on my part prompts me to remind everyone to always, ALWAYS, make sure you find out how much the shipping and handling will be on an e-bay purchase. I recently purchased a 308 set for my son and new grandson as part of their Christmas present. I paid about $50 for the set (it's not complete) but when I went to check out, I found out it was going to run me $38 for shipping and handling. Of course, I have no way of knowing how much of a "fee" there is as part of the $38 total, but there has to be some as the set is not that heavy. As I went back to the item listing, sure enough - there it was, clearly spelled out in a link. I have only myself to blame, but it will be the last time I buy from that seller, regardless of the purchase price. Still not wise after all these years.... Jim E. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41926	From: RCESpeak	Date: 10/23/2006
Subject: Ferroequinologist

Hi All, Someone recently referred to me as a "Ferroequinologist". Not knowing what the term meant (except as literally translated into iron horse), I decided to check it out. For your interest, information and enjoyment, I include the following web address.: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferroequinologist#Other_names Barb

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41927	From: Mark Preman	Date: 10/23/2006
Subject: How Was the FLYERNUT Meeting in York

Unfortunately, I didn't get to go to York this year. How was the FLYERNUT meeting? Mark Mark B. Preman AmericanFlyerTrains.com --------------------------------- All-new Yahoo! Mail - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41928	From: Robert Graves	Date: 10/23/2006
Subject: Re: Repro Comet B Unit

Rarity Repaints does them: http://mywebpages.comcast.net/seg50/ ROBERT ALLEN CONNER <rcon7@...> wrote: Mark..... I think John Heck did some at one time,..... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Preman To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 12:59 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Repro Comet B Unit I seem to remember one of our gang was making repro Comet B units. I even remember seeing pictures on a website. I just can't remember who dunnit. But, I'm sure someone on this list will know, right? Thanks in advance. Mark Mark B. Preman AmericanFlyerTrains.com --------------------------------- All-new Yahoo! Mail - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41929	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 10/23/2006
Subject: Re: Ferroequinologist

BARB.... I would have thought you had heard that term many times....... This is a GREAT SITE you found..... will book mark it....... I guess my love of trains goes back to my family....... My Grandfather was an Engineer and 2 of my uncles were also..... My grandmother had 2 neohews who were into trains too....... Her maiden name was JAMES.... Ely on the list in Nevada is where I am going to get the engine instruction..... Soon as weather is willing...... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: RCESpeak To: S-Trains Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 2:33 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Ferroequinologist Hi All, Someone recently referred to me as a "Ferroequinologist". Not knowing what the term meant (except as literally translated into iron horse), I decided to check it out. For your interest, information and enjoyment, I include the following web address.: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferroequinologist#Other_names Barb [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41930	From: beebear	Date: 10/23/2006
Subject: prices and our hobby

I had talked to my 23 yo son about trains, he just bought a HO set. His reply.. "Why should I get S gauge when I can buy a complete layout in HO for the price of just one of your cars. No thanks" Besides that he is big into video games. He only sets up a track around his Christmas tree. I think the kids today want to be entertained 24-7 and trains don't provide that. Just my 2 cents worth John

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41931	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 10/23/2006
Subject: Classic Flyer Crossword Puzzle

This puzzle is only for hardcore Classic Flyer folks. Print this puzzle and have some fun. http://s-scale.org/sscale/trains1.pdf Enjoy! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41932	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 10/23/2006
Subject: Re: York in the drizzle, sun, clouds, rain, sun, wind and cool...

Even though I was selling in the Silver Hall, I got up there twice to watch the best scale at the meet run. Harwood [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41933	From: lember2004	Date: 10/23/2006
Subject: ideas/uses of Gilbert AF #35 "Brakemen with Lanterns"?

Just acquired some #35 AF Brakemen that can hang from rolling stock. I am told that one opens the ring on the back a bit & uses it as a hook to hang the brakeman off the side off a car. I've done that on a caboose fence and the figure seems to hang out far enough that it will be clipped be a train on the adjacent track?!. How & where have others placed these brakemen? [The previous owner suggested hanging one from the tip of the rocket on a rocket launcher!] Thanks! Mark

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41934	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 10/23/2006
Subject: Who was at York?

I talked to the guys from the hobby shop this afternoon about their experiances at York. They didn't get around to every building, but did say they didn't see either American Models or S Helper Service represented at York. Is this true? Is this unusual? I would think that both of these manufacturers would be on hand at York. Stumpy Stone...stayed home and watched the store...again.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41935	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 10/23/2006
Subject: Re: My Report of S at York

In a message dated 10/17/2006 11:50:01 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, myflyertrains@... writes: For one thing, Eastern Division by opening their meet on Thursday would seem to be trying to kill the bandit meets. They are not dead, but are certainly on life support as anyone who has been to a recent York can tell you. Perhaps they don't understand that the bandit meets are half the reason for coming to York, and if they are ended, fewer of us might make the costly trip cross country to attend! Greetings all, Thanks Chuck for all the positive things you mentioned about the Reliance Hall in your York report. Our show was a huge success. All 94 tables sold, and could have sold 20+ more if we had more room. Thank-you all for making it as great as it turned out to be, dealers and patrons alike. It just gets better every time. We hope to get the other Fire hall up and running for April. I believe that we have enough interest in it to open it up and get things going. If you know anyone who is interested please contact me for details. We intend to run this show the same days and times as the Reliance, and we will promote both venues with the same veracity as we have in the past. My main reason for this intrusion into your screen tonite is that I would like to address the above paragraph that Chuck wrote about the Eastern Division killing the bandit meets by opening the York show on Thursday. Although he stated it seems that they are trying to kill the Bandit meets, a lot of folks are convinced that this is their goal....I have to tell you all that it is not true. The real reason for the 3 day event at York is two fold. First off it gives the dealers more time to get set up, and secondly and most important, it gives the public more time to see it all without the cattle stampede. It certainly is a plus for me, because I now can get set up on Thursday morning without getting run over by 20 other dealers, and I have less lines at my tables having 3 days to sell instead of 2 very hectic ones in which a lot of potential customers just walk away, impatient and furious. For the past 2 shows at the Reliance, Clem Clement, President of the Eastern Division, and Sam Geiser of the York Committee have both visited the fire hall, commented to me personally on the great job done here, and then asked me if there is any information that isn't on the flyer for the show that needs to be included in Clem's train show primer, in which he lists bandit train shows, publishes and distributes free to all who desire train show information. They also keep asking me to take a position in the York Meet committee. I would like to know how I could do that and sell parts at the same time. Here are some of my observations for the declining of the Pre-York venues; 1. Ebay--Why come to York when you can stay home and get the same price or more? 2. Motel rates--These 100.00 plus rooms are a bit out of control. The greed factor has set in here with these people and they are realizing that they went too far. None of these motels are booked solid for York train shows any longer. I have a list of about 15 area motels in which you should be able to obtain a room for a reasonable rate, especially if you are staying for the entire week. Contact me off list and I'll forward them to you. The only time that rooms are a problem in York is when the Carlisle Car show is scheduled f or the same week as TCA York. 3. Vendor table rates. The ballroom in the Holidome charges these people 65.00 per day per table rent. The Billy Budd isn't much cheaper, and a 15.00 head tax per vendor for the township. The outside rentals aren't cheap either, and if it rains, you get no refund. Add the room whacking you get to this and look at what it costs just to set up here for 2 or 3 days. 4. Declining membership...look at the numbers 5. Aging membership...harder and harder to get around...look at all of the canes, walkers, and wheel chairs in the halls. 6. Last and most important is this..There isn't TONS of product out there like there was 10-15 years ago to sell and only York available to sell huge amounts of it. On-line sales have definitely taken their share of the market. There is an upside to all of this..things will change. York will remain strong, the pre-York shows will continue, and there will be more product to look at in York in the future. Respectfully submitted, Fred Jester [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41936	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 10/23/2006
Subject: Re: Who was at York?

Dear Stumpy, From 1989 to 1995, we represented American Models at York. Since then, I saw Ron there once. We have been at York every meet since 1989, first at the Purple Hall, but at the Orange Hall since it opened. We have been at the same 10' X 40' booth for the last few years, DD 01 to 04. Best regards, Don Stumpy Stone wrote: > I talked to the guys from the hobby shop this afternoon about their > experiances at York. They didn't get around to every building, but > did say they didn't see either American Models or S Helper Service > represented at York. > Is this true? Is this unusual? I would think that both of these > manufacturers would be on hand at York. > Stumpy Stone...stayed home and watched the store...again. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41937	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 10/23/2006
Subject: Re: YORK

A lot has been said pro and con about York shows..... True they are not like the old days where non train people would bring a load of train stuff to the Bandit meets and open thier cars...... Remember the 80's????? Lots of these sellers were not TCA..... Ergo only had 3 days.... But I really feel that TCA made a mistake by going to thursday noon..... More time for the sellers and buyers???? What about the thousands who would come if it was open on Friday, Saturday and Sunday...... Lots of perple have to hold down a JOB from Monday until Friday that would come if York was a weekend meet....... Why drive 200 miles to see a few leftover tabels on Sat unitl noon!!!!! Prob hundreds or even thousands would come for 2 days Sat and Sun....... Think of the MILLIONS within a 200 mile radius......... And as for the motels...... even the car rental companys are jumping on the gravy train...... My car was supposed to be 220.00....... When I cancelled I found out the were going to bill my card almost 500.00...... Just food for thought..... And yes I am a Christian but I don't mind missing Sundays once in a while....... Bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41938	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 10/23/2006
Subject: Re: Who was at York?

Stumpy, et al, S-HELPER is ALWAYS at York, first in the "old" Purple Hall and now in the Orange. American Models does not come East, altho several dealers do display their wares. Fred's Train Parts was there, Doug Peck was there, Joes' Train Repair was there, Putt Trains was there, PA Heritage Models was there. Plus many others selling Flyer. Jim Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41939	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 10/23/2006
Subject: Re: YORK

----- Original Message ----- From: Donald Thompson To: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 10:19 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] YORK Dear Bob, You are in the middle of the Pennsy Bible Belt. Penn State does not play on Sunday and nor is the TCA Eastern Division York Train Meet. Best, Don True Don...... but cities like New York, Washington, Etc are within reach..... All an extremely populated areas....... Food for thought..... Lots of other teams play with each other..... Blue Laws have been gone for years..... Bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41940	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 10/23/2006
Subject: Re: YORK

In a message dated 10/23/2006 9:29:04 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, rcon7@... writes: A lot has been said pro and con about York shows..... True they are not like the old days where non train people would bring a load of train stuff to the Bandit meets and open thier cars...... Remember the 80's????? Lots of these sellers were not TCA..... Ergo only had 3 days.... But I really feel that TCA made a mistake by going to thursday noon..... More time for the sellers and buyers???? What about the thousands who would come if it was open on Friday, Saturday and Sunday...... Lots of perple have to hold down a JOB from Monday until Friday that would come if York was a weekend meet....... Why drive 200 miles to see a few leftover tabels on Sat unitl noon!!!!! Prob hundreds or even thousands would come for 2 days Sat and Sun....... Think of the MILLIONS within a 200 mile radius......... And as for the motels...... even the car rental companys are jumping on the gravy train...... My car was supposed to be 220.00....... When I cancelled I found out the were going to bill my card almost 500.00...... Just food for thought..... And yes I am a Christian but I don't mind missing Sundays once in a while....... Bob Good point(s) there Bob...I couldn't come to York in the 70's on Friday because of work. I have been self-employed my entire life and I wouldn't think of leaving my business to go to York on Friday just to look at trains back then...Most of the train shows in PA are held on Sundays..If the TCA held York on Fri, Sat and Sun, they would have to rent the Fairgrounds for 2 weeks...A lot of people take vacation time to go to York for the week...Fred [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41941	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 10/23/2006
Subject: Re: Who was at York?

In the Spring it would be good to know who is in what hall. I missed you Don & Robin, Fred Jester and Joe Haenn. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: Donald Thompson To: Stumpy Stone Cc: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 9:32 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Who was at York? Dear Stumpy, From 1989 to 1995, we represented American Models at York. Since then, I saw Ron there once. We have been at York every meet since 1989, first at the Purple Hall, but at the Orange Hall since it opened. We have been at the same 10' X 40' booth for the last few years, DD 01 to 04. Best regards, Don Stumpy Stone wrote: > I talked to the guys from the hobby shop this afternoon about their > experiances at York. They didn't get around to every building, but > did say they didn't see either American Models or S Helper Service > represented at York. > Is this true? Is this unusual? I would think that both of these > manufacturers would be on hand at York. > Stumpy Stone...stayed home and watched the store...again. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41942	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 10/24/2006
Subject: Re: YORK

And if you polled the people at the bandit meets you would find a lot of people who are not TCA members.... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: <beebear@...> To: <fredstrainparts@...> Cc: <rcon7@...>; <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 4:37 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] YORK > Just think of all the people who would attend IF you didn't have to be a > TCA member > to get in the halls. I might even try to attend if I didn't HAVE to be a > member. > > > ----> deleted text > .... But I really feel that TCA made a mistake by going to thursday > noon..... More time for the sellers and buyers???? What about the > thousands who would come if it was open on Friday, > Saturday and Sunday...... Lots of perple have to hold down a JOB from > Monday > until Friday that would come if York was a weekend meet....... Why drive > 200 > miles to see a few leftover tabels on Sat unitl noon!!!!! Prob hundreds > or > even thousands would come for 2 days Sat and Sun....... Think of the > MILLIONS > within a 200 mile radius.........

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41943	From: beebear@buckeye-express.com	Date: 10/24/2006
Subject: Re: YORK

Just think of all the people who would attend IF you didn't have to be a TCA member to get in the halls. I might even try to attend if I didn't HAVE to be a member. ----> deleted text .... But I really feel that TCA made a mistake by going to thursday noon..... More time for the sellers and buyers???? What about the thousands who would come if it was open on Friday, Saturday and Sunday...... Lots of perple have to hold down a JOB from Monday until Friday that would come if York was a weekend meet....... Why drive 200 miles to see a few leftover tabels on Sat unitl noon!!!!! Prob hundreds or even thousands would come for 2 days Sat and Sun....... Think of the MILLIONS within a 200 mile radius.........

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41944	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 10/24/2006
Subject: Re;Who was at York?

Gee, it's good to hear everyone was there. I was beginning to worry that S was starting to slide before I ever get a chance to see the BIG SHOW. I hope to get to York in the spring, but it depends on if the boys let me. Stumpy in Appalachia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41945	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 10/24/2006
Subject: Re: YORK

Dear Buck, I think that the PA tax people would make each member collect sales taxes if the meets were open. But, non-TCA members can go to one York as a guest. So yes you can attend if you know someone who will sponsor you. Don beebear@... wrote: > Just think of all the people who would attend IF you didn't have to be > a TCA member > to get in the halls. I might even try to attend if I didn't HAVE to be > a member. > > ----> deleted text > .... But I really feel that TCA made a mistake by going to thursday > noon..... More time for the sellers and buyers???? What about the > thousands who would come if it was open on Friday, > Saturday and Sunday...... Lots of perple have to hold down a JOB from > Monday > until Friday that would come if York was a weekend meet....... Why > drive 200 > miles to see a few leftover tabels on Sat unitl noon!!!!! Prob > hundreds or > even thousands would come for 2 days Sat and Sun....... Think of the > MILLIONS > within a 200 mile radius......... > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41946	From: r_ahrens99	Date: 10/24/2006
Subject: Re: YORK

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "" <beebear@...> wrote: > > Just think of all the people who would attend IF you didn't have to be a TCA member > to get in the halls. snip > > I wanted to attend, but I have NO CLUE how I will get two members to nominate me for membership. I am a newbie! (there, I said it ;() After attending the Reliance show and picking up some hardware and parts for repairs, I was impressed with how helpful the vendors were there. At the moment I am trying to build a layout with my 12 year old son, and I can use all the advice I can get! Since I live 6 miles from York, I'm asking for suggestions any of you have as to how to start meeting those who could help us out. Ideas would be greatly appreciated! > ----> deleted text > .... But I really feel that TCA made a mistake by going to thursday > noon..... More time for the sellers and buyers???? What about the > thousands who would come if it was open on Friday, > Saturday and Sunday snip Think of the MILLIONS > within a 200 mile radius......... >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41947	From: monte_heppe	Date: 10/24/2006
Subject: York

I am a member of the Baltimore Area American Flyer Club. We had our modular layout set up in the Black hall at York. We had a great time and spoke with several hundred people. To the person who said he stopped to see the layout but no one came over to talk to him, I apologize, but we really do try to talk to everyone. I noticed one message that said there was nothing indicating where the modular layouts were set up. The York meeting notice included this information and there we PA anouncemnets about the layouts. Another message said that they thought S Helper Service was not there. They were in the Orange hall. Every paging desk has list showing what dealers are at the show and their location. Our clubmembers found lots of American Flyer both at the pre shows and the fairgrounds,many good deals too. You just have to seach for them, sometimes under tables and in junk piles. I found a 270 watt MRC transformer that works in just such a place for $10. I hope most attendees had a smuch fun as we did.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41948	From: N Becker	Date: 10/24/2006
Subject: THE FERROEQUINOLOGIST'S CODE OF PROFESSIONAL RESPONSIBILITY

From a RR Club who's name I have forgotten.... THE FERROEQUINOLOGIST'S CODE OF PROFESSIONAL RESPONSIBILITY An explanation of the rights, duties and obligations of ethical ferroequinologists as they pertain to the processes of traveling , searching and documenting the facilities, equipment, personnel, and processes of iron rail transportation, both modern and historical, near and far, for later retrieval, study, enjoyment, and archiving, both singularly and in the association and company of others of similar persuasion, with particular emphasis on the etiquette of mutual interactions, specifically personal and professional manners and behavior, with probable consequences for nonconformance which will be imposed by others both in the same vehicle, others at the chosen sites, railroad officials, and others, set forth in a logical and understandable manner with both proper terminology and common names, for the education and enlightenment of both the wise and the ignorant especially the latter; (Otherwise, "The Railfan Rules") Section 1. Transportation. 1.1 Driver has complete responsibility for the vehicle and therefore may do anything , and has the right to order anyone to do anything while the vehicle is in motion, that facilitates the comfort and safety of all aboard. (The "It's My Car" Rule). Included in this rule are:A. The right to control the radio. B. The right to control the ventilation and temperature. C. The right to make any other rule for the above purposes. D. The right to refuse transportation to anyone who has consumed a large quantity of beans, beer, and/or burritos (especially "and"). E. The right to deny anyone nicknamed "Crash" or "Thumbs" from operating any of the controls of the vehicle. 1.2 No one has a right to criticize the driver for any reason. Exceptions: A. The owner of the car. B. The wife of the owner of the car. C. A passenger who has sustained a serious injury in the crash. D. The navigator if he gave correct directions that were intentionally ignored by the driver. This exception does not apply if the navigator has given wrong directions at any time, including on a previous trip. E. A duly appointed officer of the law. No one may repeat a criticism of the driver even if made by a person authorized to criticize. This rule shall not apply to any driver who has been cut off by a maneuver of the railfanning vehicle unless he is part of the railfan caravan; however, all passengers are under a duty to seasonably warn the driver of another driver who is armed. 1.3 Seat allocation is on first come, first serve basis (The "Musical Chairs Rule). Exceptions: A. The owner of the vehicle determines the driver. The driver shall occupy the left front seat at all times. Sleeping in this seat is forbidden B. The right front passenger seat belongs to the trip navigator. C. The driver has the right to fire the navigator and compel a reallocation of seats (The "Chinese Fire Drill" Rule). Passengers may elect to choose the navigator by lot (The "Short Straw" Rule). The driver may elect to choose the navigator (The "I Want to Get There Today" Rule). D. On trips of more than one day, some type of seat rotation shall be instituted (The "No Monopolization" Rule). E. Persons with noxious BO may be compelled by majority vote to ride in the trunk or on the luggage carrier, or with the offending body part hanging out of the window (The "Gagging Vulture" Rule). 1.4 Persons who can be reasonably expected to track staining substances into or reasonably can be expected to stain, or have a history of staining, the passenger compartment may be denied re-entry into the vehicle (The "Greasy Boots" Rule). See also Rule 4.9. Mud is considered a staining substance for the purposes of this rule. 1.5 All passengers shall utilize at the restroom facilities on every stop. The failure to do so shall mean the offending party may not compel a relief stop for his convenience (The "You Shoulda Gone Back There" Rule). At any stop, persons who can be expected to create offensive odors shall wait until all other passengers have used the facility (The “You could choke a maggot in there” Rule). At stops where no restroom facilities are available, the following regulations apply: A. Micturation shall occur out of public sight (or under cover of darkness) at a spot not less than 20 feet from the vehicle, and in a location where it is certain no passenger will travel during the next 24 hours. Other passengers shall not loudly call attention to a person obeying this rule, and photos of same are subject to confiscation and a $25 fine. B. Excremetitious deposits are permitted only when facilities will not be available for more than 2 hours in the future and severe pain is being endured. Such deposits shall be made at least 200 yards from the vehicle and/or any railfanning site, and at a location where no passenger will travel for the next one year. Catcalls are permitted within the 200 yard range, but any person photographing same will be excommunicated from the club. C. Persons with colostomy bags... well, let's not get into that. 1.6 The navigator is not allowed to sleep at any time. If he missed a significant turn during the day, this means outside the vehicle as well (The "Stay Up and Study the Maps!" Rule). 1.7 Any person who shouts directions shall be subject to the same penalties as the navigator, whether designated as such or not. Persons who shout correct directions that are not followed are subject to the penalty of being named navigator. Persons other than the navigator who give correct directions that are not followed are entitled to upbraid the navigator but not the driver; see Rule 1.2. 1.8 Drivers shall wait until all passengers are completely in the vehicle before departing. See Rule 4.5 for exceptions. Passengers shall take special note of anxious or eager drivers but are reminded of Rule 1.2. Yelling "Wait for me" or similar words are not a violation of Rule 1.2 provided that no perjoratives are appended. 1.9 Routes and stops shall be preplanned. Detours or side trips are allowed only upon the spotting of unique or unusual railroad equipment, items of railroad historical significance, or things that happen to catch the driver s fancy. Other detours or side trips shall be classified as navigational errors attributable to the person in the right front seat. 1.10 Back seat passengers' responsibilities include: A. Scanner monitoring. B. Lookouts for tracks, railroad signs, trains, mile posts, signals, stations, old railroad grades and related items. C. Litter control. D. Second-guessing the navigator. E. Keeping the driver fed and happy (and awake). F. Map folding. G. Asking questions no one knows the answers to. H. Answering questions no one asked. I. Hiding acquisitions. J. Assisting the driver in locating navigational landmarks supplied by the navigator to include street and highway signs, physical landmarks, unmarked gravel roads, dirt paths, old rights of way, latitude and longitude lines, wagon ruts, Lewis and Clark canoe landings, and any other silly thing that may help denote location. K. Finding food when otherwise allowed by the rules. L. Anything else the driver says is their responsibility. 1.11 A log of the trip shall be kept by the navigator, showing the date, time, mileage, and significant events of the trip. A designated alternate shall maintain the log when the duty of navigation is too encompassing or the navigator lacks the skills of readable handwriting, ability to tell time or simple common sense. Copies of all logs shall be made available to all passengers within 7 days after completion of the trip. 1.12 Skid marks caused by untimely navigational cues will be charged to the navigator (The "Turn Now!" Rule). The penalties of rule 1.6 may be applied for repeated violations of this rule. 1.13 In circumstances where the driver cannot comprehend or apply any of the local oddities of traffic lane marking, road signage, and/or lane construction, particularly those which are only observed at the last moment or are otherwise inconvenient, the driver may be excused from adhering to the rules of the road and/or any other natural or man-made restriction on the forward or lateral motion of the motor vehicle, by rolling down the driver's window and calling in a loud and clear voice, with the assistance of all passengers, " TOURIST!!!" (The "I'm Not From Around Here" Rule). This rule does not apply when the vehicle most likely to be forced to take urgent corrective action is: (a) over 20,000 lbs GVW or 3 axles, (b) a pickup truck over 5 years old equipped with a rifle rack and an NRA bumper sticker, or (c) a passenger car equipped with at least three radio aerials and any type of flashing light, when in towns of less than 500 occupants. 1.14 The driver is like the captain of an 18th century British frigate. If he likes you he can be very good to you. If he hates you he can take your camera, put you in irons, make you walk the rail, or impose any other penalty for a violation of the rules he deems appropriate to allow you to make the return trip. Passengers should govern their behavior accordingly. 1.15 The navigator may be blamed for all problems of the trip. [If you read the rules carefully, you really don't want to be navigator; the view from the front seat isn't worth it.] 1.16 At the request of any passenger, the National Anthem shall be played at the start of a trip; passengers need not stand and the driver shall not. Patriotic displays of fireworks are not allowed in the vehicle. Section 2. Trip Expenses. 2.1 All passengers shall share equally the costs of gas, tolls, and parking, except the owner of the vehicle being used. Exceptions: A. Detours of more than 10 miles as a result of missed turns or other navigational errors shall be at the navigator's cost. B. Interior and exterior cleaning of the vehicle after a long or especially dirty trip shall be equally shared. Exceptions to the exception: 1. Anyone causing a nasty mess shall pay all costs of clean-up. A majority vote of the passengers may invoke this subsection (the "Slobbola" Rule). 2. Extensive road dust caused by a navigational error shall be the responsibility of the navigator (The "Dusty Roads" Rule). C. On short trips, in lieu of gas payment, passengers may buy the driver dinner, provided that the server at the restaurant is not obligated by the duties of his job to say "Ya want fries with that?". D. Lodging expenses shalll be shared equally by all persons on the trip. Lodging expenses do not include: 1. Costs of motorized conveniences in the room. 2. Costs of companionship (to be shared only by those sharing directly in the companionship; watching is not sharing). 3. Costs for video entertainment, regardless of rating, unless agreed in advance. Watching any part of the program (especially the good parts) constitutes implied consent to a pro-rata share, however. 4. Long distance calls to wives, sweethearts, parents, stockbrokers, bookies seeresses, phone “companions”, 1-900 numbers, and the like. Chargeable calls include reservation of future lodging, restaurant reservations, pizza delivery (if shared by all), auto clubs, repair shops, 911, and condolence calls to next of kin. Calls to ISP’s shall be allocated according to the percentage of use attributable to the needs of the trip. 2.2 The owner of the vehicle is responsible for any repairs. Exceptions: A. Damage occasioned by passenger's urgings to follow a particular path, especially down unpaved roads or nonroads (The "You're The Navigator" Rule). B. Damage caused by the passenger's actions, inactions, or size (The "Two Ton Baker" Rule). 2.3 Traffic tickets will be the responsibility of the driver unless one of the following apply: A. A train is in sight B. Someone thought a train was in sight. C. Someone thought he heard a train.. D. A train would have been in sight except for the traffic cop. E. The scanner says a train is near F. The passengers are urging the driver to make up lost time, find the train or otherwise muttering comments about "burning daylight." G. A passenger is emitting noxious odors from a need to evacuate his viscera (no words are necessary to invoke this exception). 2.4 Parking tickets are common expenses. Towing expenses are the responsibility of the person who said "nobody will mind." 2.5 Unless agreed in advance, trip expenses shall be estimated and all passengers shall contribute to a common treasury prior to the commencement of the trip. A treasurer shall be chosen by unanimous agreement; if agreement achieves 75% or more of the passengers, dissenters shall be dropped from the trip to achieve unanimity. Note Rule 7.1 for additional treasurer duties. In the event it becomes clear that actual expenses are exceeding estimates, all shall be required to contribute equally to bring the kitty up to the new estimate. If any person fails to contribute his share of the additional amounts, he may be left at the side of the road where the gas money would have run out if others had not contributed. Section 3. Equipment. 3.1 Each person shall be responsible for the equipment he brings. Drivers are not required to make long detours for equipment left behind, nor to stop to replace missing or non-functional equipment (The "There's No Turning Back Now" Rule). 3.2 No one shall use any one else's equipment without permission. 3.3 Unless there is unanimous agreement, no side trips for additional film, medication, sun screen, snacks, shoelaces, or other such commodities will be made. All passengers shall have checklists to ensure they bring all needed items (The "There's No Stopping Now" Rule). 3.4 Stowage allowances: A. For day trips, each passenger shall be allowed a camera bag not to exceed one cubic foot, and another bag not to exceed one cubic foot nor 10 pounds. B. For trips exceeding one day, each passenger shall be allowed a camera bag not to exceed one cubic foot, a tripod fully collapsed, and one other bag not to exceed one and one half cubic feet nor 25 pounds. C. Stowage allowances are inclusive of souvenirs on the trip, and persons expecting to collect souvenirs are expected to start with less to accommodate acquisitions. D. Acquisitions: 1. The driver shall have the right to reject any acquisitions that have any taint of illegality attached to them, in his discretion. In the event that such an item is not rejected and is subsequently discovered by a person having arrest authority, the acquirer shall immediately and loudly acknowledge his possession of same and aver no knowledge thereof on the part of the other passengers of the vehicle. 2. A majority vote of passengers shall be sufficient to abandon any acquisition that emits a noxious odor or sound, or is a living member of the animal kingdom (dead members being excluded automatically without a vote). 3. The driver may demand a share of the booty, provided he accepts a share of the jail time attached thereto. E. The driver may increase allowances at his discretion, providing that no passenger is deprived of reasonable comfort in seating. F. Persons who gain significant weight on a trip may be compelled to lighten their baggage. G. The driver is not bound to allocate any leftover space or weight allowances equally and may allocate it all to himself if he so chooses (The Extra Crannies" corollary to the "It's My Car" Rule) . Section 4. Railfan Demeanor. 4.1 No passenger shall expel any noxious odor in the vehicle (The "Beano" Rule). Persons violating this rule while blaming it on another may be sealed in a garbage bag for the remainder of the trip (The “Enjoy Yourself” Rule). 4.2 No person shall talk over the scanner(s). Duct tape may be employed to enforce observance of this rule by repeat offenders (the “Red Green” Rule).. 4.3 All persons shall respect photo lines. Photo lines are established by the first person to set up for the picture. Violators may be leashed with any available material, and deprived of film (The "Kevin Filter" Rule). A. A photo line cannot be established by a person who: 1. Has a history of inability to understand basic photographic composition, or 2. Is noted for either reckless or multiple shots of everything in sight, or 3. Is using a disposable camera or any equipment purchased more than 30 years ago or equipment with one or more inoperable features, or 4. Has a history of not developing the pictures he takes.. 4.4 Theft of artistic concept in photos is grounds for shunning. 4.5 Passengers without two way radios shall stay in hailing distance of the driver. Penalty for violation of this rule includes, without limitation, being left behind. A. Driver is required to stop for passengers running after the vehicle if they are within 50 feet and no train is within sight or hearing. B. Driver may temporarily abandon any passenger not within close proximity to the vehicle (whether tied by two way radio or not) to capture a train photograph at another location if the person abandoned "probably wouldn't have made it in time anyway." (The Emergency Doctrine, otherwise known as the "Don't Go Running Off" Rule). 4.6 Persons who cause any passenger to miss a scheduled deadline with that person's wife, child or significant other must admit to same and apologize in person to the party aggrieved. If necessary for the health or future railfanning of the aggrieved person, an apology shall be made whether or not the other person did anything wrong (The "Bill's Fault" Rule). 4.7 Persons who have a recorded history of getting in other people's photographs shall wear camouflage clothing (The "No Fluorescent Colors" Rule). 4.8 The sighting of a train shall be loudly and immediately announced. The false making of such a signal (the joke having gone stale long ago) is grounds for ejection from the vehicle, in addition to reparations for any damage to the brakes of the vehicle or to the driver's heart. Failure to announce a real train, if done for the purpose of getting an exclusive photo is grounds for confiscation of the violator's camera. 4.9 Health and Well-being. A. Medical emergencies that are not life-threatening do not constitute grounds for immediate removal from the railfanning site (The "Tough Men Live with Pain" Rule). Persons bleeding shall take note of rules 1.4 and 2.1.b.1. Weight lost as a result of blood or tissue loss increments the loser's acquisition allowance proportionately. B. Medical supplies are not the responsibility of the vehicle owner (besides you used them up last trip, remember?) Persons prone to stumbles, falls, frequent lacerations, and the like shall pack adequate supplies to deal with any injury he may sustain (“Don’s Rule”). C. Pre-existing medical conditions and the requirements thereof shall be made known to the group prior to departure. Unacceptable requirements may be grounds for exclusion from the vehicle. Unacceptable requirements include: 1. “I have to eat/drink [insert item - Twinkies, Diet Coke, Fritos] every x hours, even though the Rules don’t permit it, or I will die/get serious ill to the disgust of all aboard.” --Special nutritional requirements are a part of your weight allowance. 2. “My tourniquet has to be loosened every 15 minutes.” --Passengers are not responsible for meeting other’s medical needs. 3. “My [insert item - pacemaker, colostomy bag, erectile pump] needs replacement.” --Passengers may not be grossed out by replacement of bionic parts. 4. “My [insert item - appendix, gall bladder, sphincter] must be removed or transplanted. “ --Passengers are not allowed to solicit under any circumstances, even for worthy causes, which yours is not. 5. “Please ignore the [insert item - monkey-shaped tumor on my arm, bedpan, bleeding from where the screws go into my head].” --Any aberrant medical problem sensible to any passenger through visual or olfactory means that could induce nausea in the sensor is grounds for exclusion. 6. “I have to insert a [anal pill-what the hell do you call it?] every so often.” --Passengers may not be grossed out by the thought of what you are going to do. D. Passengers electing to assist another in the treatment of a medical problem, even though they are under no obligation to do so, may not be criticized for their performance (The “Good Samaritan” Rule). Passengers are warned that this rule does not prevent a lawsuit by the next of kin for wrongful death. 4.10 No person shall retell embarrassing trip stories about any person to the person's wife, children, or significant other, or to a person who might pass along the gossip to such a person. Anything may be told to another member of the club, who has an ethical obligation to observe this rule. 4.11 Each occupant of the vehicle is entitled to correct the purportedly factual utterances of any other occupant of the vehicle no more than twice in an excursion; all other alleged errors must be suffered in silence (The Only 1500 More Miles With This Pedantic Imbecile" Rule). A. Any correction not accepted as such by the person being corrected must be acknowledged by the words "Or Something like that". B. The driver may permit further correction, but only when the vehicle has recommenced forward motion after depositing the utterer and/or the corrector together with all his or their equipment, paraphernalia, and souvenirs, on the shoulder of the road. 4.12 The following shall be considered forbidden topics during travel times: A. Religion (proselytizers are subject to immediate ejection without a cessation of the forward movement of the vehicle); B. Politics, unless permitted by the driver (persons considering criticizing the driver's politics are reminded of rule 1.14); C. Self descriptions of the latest ailment or bowel movement; D. Grandiose descriptions of how good it was on a previous trip to the same place, especially after a bad day. E. Arguments relating to the physics of Star Trek, or to the emotional make-up of any of the characters thereof. 4.13 Videographers shall be treated the same as photographers, and are subject to the same rules regarding photo lines, etc. Only the following exceptions apply: A. Videographers may request that there be no nonessential noise in the photo line. Essential noises include shutters, automatic winders, and demands that persons violating the photo line move their gluteus maximi. B. Drivers may not be videographers while the vehicle is in motion. 4.14 During travel times, back seat passengers shall not: A. Ask "Are we there yet" or words to that effect. B. Second guess the driver (but see Rule 1.10 D.). C. Eat any item having a substantial unpleasant odor (unpleasant being defined by the driver). 4.15 At those times when all passengers must exit the vehicle quickly to get an otherwise unattainable shot, those out first shall quickly move from the door so as not to block those getting out behind them (The “Bail Out” Rule). There is no penalty for violation of this rule, except that the violator may not criticize the person who knocked him down from behind. Persons who bail before the vehicle is completely stopped do so at their own risk. 4.16 All passengers shall treat each other with utmost courtesy, at least the most that can be expected from any other form of lowlife (The “Emily Post” Rule). Vulgarity, profanity and expletives are forbidden. The following expressions, however, are not prohibited: A. “Kiss my grits.” B. “Screw you”, if intended in a humorous manner and not intended to be physically acted upon. C. Repetition of any words followed by “my ass” so long as it does not create an imperative sentence. D. Any words directed at a person who violates a photo line. Section 5. Comestibles. 5.1 Food is not the principal purpose of a railfan trip (The "Gung Ho" Rule) 5.2 Stops for food shall be by majority rule, with the driver having a veto. Exceptions: A. Any person may reject a fast food restaurant if the previous three meals have been at fast food restaurants (The "Mickey D" Rule). B. If agreed in advance, on trips of longer than a day, each passenger may exercise the option to choose the eating establishment without majority agreement once on the trip. The following restaurants are excluded option choices: 1. Any place featuring cuisine developed west of Sacramento, CA, south of Hutchinson, KS, or east of Berlin (bratwurst and kielbasa being assigned to Sheboygan, WI; other regional bigotries are consigned to the category of personal menu choices). 2. Any place where the potato or salad course is ala carte. 3. Any place where the flies outnumber the patrons. 4. Any place that would violate Rule 5.3. 5.3 No restaurant or chain shall be visited more than once on a trip. There are no exceptions to this rule (The "No Duplication" Rule). 5.4 Persons who must eat according to a particular schedule shall have appropriate nourishment on hand in case the other passengers do not care to stop. 5.5 Rules regarding comestibles in vehicles: A. Persons who bring or purchase snacks without notifying the others may be required to share same (The "Kindergarten" Rule). B. Persons who get crumbs in the car may be required to vacuum same. C. Persons who make messes in the car shall be required to fess up to the owner's wife and apologize to same. D. Persons bringing snacks or other food items into the vehicle shall remove all such items with them, and shall not leave them thinking someone else can eat them (The "Abandoned Fritos" Rule). 5.6 Passengers may eat as much or as often as they choose subject to the limitations herein; however, all passengers are reminded of Rule 3.4 F. Other passengers, however, are not prohibited from rolling their eyes or making snide remarks regarding same. 5.7 Meals shall be scheduled during times when a 52mm lens with a 3.4 f-stop requires an exposure of 1/8 second or longer with ASA 400 film, or when rainfall is exceeding one inch per hour (The "Burning Daylight" Rule). Section 6. Railfanning Sites. 6.1 The navigator shall get the vehicle to the designated railfanning site(s) by the shortest (fastest) possible route. The naval gunnery method of navigation is expressly forbidden (The "You May Fire When Ready, Gridley" Rule) 6.2 It is an agreed rule that "No trespassing" signs are considered to be precatory, and for the liability protection of the railroad only. Hence they may be disregarded at will unless backed up by the verbal instructions of a railroad employee or minion of the law. This rule does not permit the following: A. The crossing of busy mainline tracks, especially if a train is on them. B. The hopping of any freight by a passenger who still has a seat in the vehicle (those who no longer do are no longer bound by the rules). C. The entry into any building that requires breaking a lock or window or would otherwise entail sanctions by the local governmental agencies under statutes governing what is more commonly known as "burglary". D. The crossing of a railroad bridge more than 50 feet long if a train is within hearing distance. E. The activation of any railroad equipment by persons not employed by the railroad, whether or the purpose of the move is to improve the photographic composition of the site. 6.3 The person who stands the most to gain by any entry onto railroad property shall be the one who asks the local yardmaster for permission. If all stand to gain equally, the choice shall be made by lot, the short straw losing and having to ask. 6.4 Releases requested by any railroad shall be signed with the real name of the person signing same; legibility is not required, however. 6.5 All passengers shall be required to contribute equally to the bail of any person arrested who: A. Is not in violation of these rules. B. Is in violation but so are all the others, of the same rule. C. Is in violation where the others are not, but has the keys to the vehicle (The "Do you wanna get home today or not" Rule). D. Is in violation of a different rule than the others, but the others' violations are more egregious. For determining the degree of egregiousness, see the voting rules post. 6.6 Site "improvement" is forbidden without a majority vote; however, those without a camera do not have a vote. 6.7 Sites without a train within 40 minutes may be abandoned; the navigator and scanner operator are to be equally charged with this offense. If the site is subsequently determined to be an abandoned line, the navigator may be publicly flogged. 6.8 The driver shall give all due consideration to requests from any passenger to vacate a railfan site because of excessive or undue attention from local citizens, either on foot or in one or more pursuing vehicles, especially if the pursuers are armed (The "It Wasn't This Bad When I Was Here In 73" Rule). Section 7. Lodging. 7.1 Wherever possible, lodging shall be selected and reserved prior to the start of the trip. Reservations shall be guaranteed by the credit card of the trip treasurer. If the treasurer fails to make reservations or fails to guarantee them when selection has been made in advance, and there is no lodging for the night, the treasurer may be relieved of his duties and his body dumped along a quiet back road. 7.2 Room assignment is by the buddy system. Pair up with who you want; unpaired remainders are left to each other (The “Do I have to room with Stinky?” Rule). The most financially responsible person in the room has choice of beds and control of all devices that can add to the bill. Rule 2.1 D. will be enforced. 7.3. No person shall use more than one half of the linen and towels assigned to the room. No person shall liberate any item from the room unless his was the credit card given the lodging manager. 7.4 Bathroom fans shall be liberally employed. Persons who leave an olfactory deposit in a bathroom shall be obligated to warn all other potential users for at least one-half hour thereafter, 2 hours if the room is not equipped with a fan. 7.5 Curfews shall not be in force, but departure times shall be governed by the earliest person to wake who shall immediately get everyone else moving if photos can be taken without a flash. Persons requiring breakfast shall note the time of sunrise and get up one-half hour earlier. 7.6 Daily showers are mandatory for all passengers (The “Who choked the goat?” Rule). Section 8. Dispute Resolution. 8.1 There's no hope for this group. Why bother writing rules to resolve disputes? A rabbi with 40 years of Talmudic study couldn't niggle the differences . 8.2 Where a rule is subject to interpretation, the interpretation may be made by any person seeking to invoke the rule, who may contort the interpretation to any degree he likes as he sticks out his thumb along the side of the road. Section 9. Modifications of the Rules. 9.1 Any rule can be suspended for a designated trip by a majority vote with the following vote weighting: A. Every passenger gets one vote; B. The driver gets 2 votes; C. The owner of the car gets 10 votes; and D. The owner's wife gets 50 votes. Persons not present at the time of the vote are not counted. However, a majority of the votes present at any time may reconsider a prior vote. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41949	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 10/24/2006
Subject: Re: YORK

All you have to do to join TCA is go to a local meet........ tell them you want to join........ they will come up with the 2 siginatures QUICK !!!! This will probley work at York also..... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: r_ahrens99 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 10:21 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: YORK --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "" <beebear@...> wrote: > > Just think of all the people who would attend IF you didn't have to be a TCA member > to get in the halls. snip > > I wanted to attend, but I have NO CLUE how I will get two members to nominate me for membership. I am a newbie! (there, I said it ;() After attending the Reliance show and picking up some hardware and parts for repairs, I was impressed with how helpful the vendors were there. At the moment I am trying to build a layout with my 12 year old son, and I can use all the advice I can get! Since I live 6 miles from York, I'm asking for suggestions any of you have as to how to start meeting those who could help us out. Ideas would be greatly appreciated! > ----> deleted text > .... But I really feel that TCA made a mistake by going to thursday > noon..... More time for the sellers and buyers???? What about the > thousands who would come if it was open on Friday, > Saturday and Sunday snip Think of the MILLIONS > within a 200 mile radius......... > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41950	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 10/24/2006
Subject: Re: A Southern York? Norcross, Georgia

As great as the Eastern Division Meet is at York Pa, I am seeking more information on the GREAT TRAIN EXPO, NORCROSS, GEORGIA Nove 4 and 5th It would be great to have our own YORK here in the Southland and any information on this Meet would be greatly appreciated The show runs from 10 - 4 both days! 300 + tables and a number of operating layouts. Anyone attending or can update me on information greatly appreciated. Jerry Matsick Jax S Ville.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41951	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 10/24/2006
Subject: Re: YORK

In a message dated 10/24/2006 9:01:46 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, rcon7@... writes: And if you polled the people at the bandit meets you would find a lot of people who are not TCA members.... Bob ----- Original Message ----- Are these the same people that have to work all week and can only make it to the train show on Sunday?? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41952	From: Phil K	Date: 10/24/2006
Subject: Re: THE FERROEQUINOLOGIST'S CODE OF PROFESSIONAL RESPONSIBILITY

This is hilarious! --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "N Becker" <nabecker@...> wrote: > > From a RR Club who's name I have forgotten.... > > THE FERROEQUINOLOGIST'S CODE OF PROFESSIONAL RESPONSIBILITY > > > > An explanation of the rights, duties and obligations of ethical > ferroequinologists as they pertain to the processes of traveling , searching > and documenting the facilities, equipment, personnel, and processes of iron > rail transportation, both modern and historical, near and far, for later > retrieval, study, enjoyment, and archiving, both singularly and in the > association and company of others of similar persuasion, with particular > emphasis on the etiquette of mutual interactions, specifically personal and > professional manners and behavior, with probable consequences for > nonconformance which will be imposed by others both in the same vehicle, > others at the chosen sites, railroad officials, and others, set forth in a > logical and understandable manner with both proper terminology and common > names, for the education and enlightenment of both the wise and the ignorant > especially the latter; (Otherwise, "The Railfan Rules") > Section 1. Transportation. > 1.1 Driver has complete responsibility for the vehicle and therefore may do > anything , and has the right to order anyone to do anything while the > vehicle is in motion, that facilitates the comfort and safety of all aboard. > (The "It's My Car" Rule). Included in this rule are:A. The right to control > the radio. > B. The right to control the ventilation and temperature. > C. The right to make any other rule for the above purposes. > D. The right to refuse transportation to anyone who has consumed a large > quantity of beans, beer, and/or burritos (especially "and"). > E. The right to deny anyone nicknamed "Crash" or "Thumbs" from operating any > of the controls of the vehicle. > 1.2 No one has a right to criticize the driver for any reason. Exceptions: > A. The owner of the car. > B. The wife of the owner of the car. > C. A passenger who has sustained a serious injury in the crash. > D. The navigator if he gave correct directions that were intentionally > ignored by the driver. This exception does not apply if the navigator has > given wrong directions at any time, including on a previous trip. > E. A duly appointed officer of the law. > No one may repeat a criticism of the driver even if made by a person > authorized to criticize. This rule shall not apply to any driver who has > been cut off by a maneuver of the railfanning vehicle unless he is part of > the railfan caravan; however, all passengers are under a duty to seasonably > warn the driver of another driver who is armed. > 1.3 Seat allocation is on first come, first serve basis (The "Musical Chairs > Rule). Exceptions: > A. The owner of the vehicle determines the driver. The driver shall occupy > the left front seat at all times. Sleeping in this seat is forbidden > B. The right front passenger seat belongs to the trip navigator. > C. The driver has the right to fire the navigator and compel a reallocation > of seats (The "Chinese Fire Drill" Rule). Passengers may elect to choose the > navigator by lot (The "Short Straw" Rule). The driver may elect to choose > the navigator (The "I Want to Get There Today" Rule). > D. On trips of more than one day, some type of seat rotation shall be > instituted (The "No Monopolization" Rule). > E. Persons with noxious BO may be compelled by majority vote to ride in the > trunk or on the luggage carrier, or with the offending body part hanging out > of the window (The "Gagging Vulture" Rule). > 1.4 Persons who can be reasonably expected to track staining substances into > or reasonably can be expected to stain, or have a history of staining, the > passenger compartment may be denied re-entry into the vehicle (The "Greasy > Boots" Rule). See also Rule 4.9. Mud is considered a staining substance for > the purposes of this rule. > 1.5 All passengers shall utilize at the restroom facilities on every stop. > The failure to do so shall mean the offending party may not compel a relief > stop for his convenience (The "You Shoulda Gone Back There" Rule). At any > stop, persons who can be expected to create offensive odors shall wait until > all other passengers have used the facility (The "You could choke a maggot > in there" Rule). At stops where no restroom facilities are available, the > following regulations apply: > A. Micturation shall occur out of public sight (or under cover of darkness) > at a spot not less than 20 feet from the vehicle, and in a location where it > is certain no passenger will travel during the next 24 hours. Other > passengers shall not loudly call attention to a person obeying this rule, > and photos of same are subject to confiscation and a $25 fine. > B. Excremetitious deposits are permitted only when facilities will not be > available for more than 2 hours in the future and severe pain is being > endured. Such deposits shall be made at least 200 yards from the vehicle > and/or any railfanning site, and at a location where no passenger will > travel for the next one year. Catcalls are permitted within the 200 yard > range, but any person photographing same will be excommunicated from the > club. > C. Persons with colostomy bags... well, let's not get into that. > 1.6 The navigator is not allowed to sleep at any time. If he missed a > significant turn during the day, this means outside the vehicle as well (The > "Stay Up and Study the Maps!" Rule). > 1.7 Any person who shouts directions shall be subject to the same penalties > as the navigator, whether designated as such or not. Persons who shout > correct directions that are not followed are subject to the penalty of being > named navigator. Persons other than the navigator who give correct > directions that are not followed are entitled to upbraid the navigator but > not the driver; see Rule 1.2. > 1.8 Drivers shall wait until all passengers are completely in the vehicle > before departing. See Rule 4.5 for exceptions. Passengers shall take special > note of anxious or eager drivers but are reminded of Rule 1.2. Yelling "Wait > for me" or similar words are not a violation of Rule 1.2 provided that no > perjoratives are appended. > 1.9 Routes and stops shall be preplanned. Detours or side trips are allowed > only upon the spotting of unique or unusual railroad equipment, items of > railroad historical significance, or things that happen to catch the driver > s fancy. Other detours or side trips shall be classified as navigational > errors attributable to the person in the right front seat. > 1.10 Back seat passengers' responsibilities include: > A. Scanner monitoring. > B. Lookouts for tracks, railroad signs, trains, mile posts, signals, > stations, old railroad grades and related items. > C. Litter control. > D. Second-guessing the navigator. > E. Keeping the driver fed and happy (and awake). > F. Map folding. > G. Asking questions no one knows the answers to. > H. Answering questions no one asked. > I. Hiding acquisitions. > J. Assisting the driver in locating navigational landmarks supplied by the > navigator to include street and highway signs, physical landmarks, unmarked > gravel roads, dirt paths, old rights of way, latitude and longitude lines, > wagon ruts, Lewis and Clark canoe landings, and any other silly thing that > may help denote location. > K. Finding food when otherwise allowed by the rules. > L. Anything else the driver says is their responsibility. > 1.11 A log of the trip shall be kept by the navigator, showing the date, > time, mileage, and significant events of the trip. A designated alternate > shall maintain the log when the duty of navigation is too encompassing or > the navigator lacks the skills of readable handwriting, ability to tell time > or simple common sense. Copies of all logs shall be made available to all > passengers within 7 days after completion of the trip. > 1.12 Skid marks caused by untimely navigational cues will be charged to the > navigator (The "Turn Now!" Rule). The penalties of rule 1.6 may be applied > for repeated violations of this rule. > 1.13 In circumstances where the driver cannot comprehend or apply any of the > local oddities of traffic lane marking, road signage, and/or lane > construction, particularly those which are only observed at the last moment > or are otherwise inconvenient, the driver may be excused from adhering to > the rules of the road and/or any other natural or man-made restriction on > the forward or lateral motion of the motor vehicle, by rolling down the > driver's window and calling in a loud and clear voice, with the assistance > of all passengers, " TOURIST!!!" (The "I'm Not From Around Here" Rule). This > rule does not apply when the vehicle most likely to be forced to take urgent > corrective action is: (a) over 20,000 lbs GVW or 3 axles, (b) a pickup truck > over 5 years old equipped with a rifle rack and an NRA bumper sticker, or > (c) a passenger car equipped with at least three radio aerials and any type > of flashing light, when in towns of less than 500 occupants. > 1.14 The driver is like the captain of an 18th century British frigate. If > he likes you he can be very good to you. If he hates you he can take your > camera, put you in irons, make you walk the rail, or impose any other > penalty for a violation of the rules he deems appropriate to allow you to > make the return trip. Passengers should govern their behavior accordingly. > 1.15 The navigator may be blamed for all problems of the trip. [If you read > the rules carefully, you really don't want to be navigator; the view from > the front seat isn't worth it.] > 1.16 At the request of any passenger, the National Anthem shall be played at > the start of a trip; passengers need not stand and the driver shall not. > Patriotic displays of fireworks are not allowed in the vehicle. > Section 2. Trip Expenses. > 2.1 All passengers shall share equally the costs of gas, tolls, and parking, > except the owner of the vehicle being used. Exceptions: > A. Detours of more than 10 miles as a result of missed turns or other > navigational errors shall be at the navigator's cost. > B. Interior and exterior cleaning of the vehicle after a long or especially > dirty trip shall be equally shared. Exceptions to the exception: > 1. Anyone causing a nasty mess shall pay all costs of clean-up. A majority > vote of the passengers may invoke this subsection (the "Slobbola" Rule). > 2. Extensive road dust caused by a navigational error shall be the > responsibility of the navigator (The "Dusty Roads" Rule). > C. On short trips, in lieu of gas payment, passengers may buy the driver > dinner, provided that the server at the restaurant is not obligated by the > duties of his job to say "Ya want fries with that?". > D. Lodging expenses shalll be shared equally by all persons on the trip. > Lodging expenses do not include: > 1. Costs of motorized conveniences in the room. > 2. Costs of companionship (to be shared only by those sharing directly in > the companionship; watching is not sharing). > 3. Costs for video entertainment, regardless of rating, unless agreed in > advance. Watching any part of the program (especially the good parts) > constitutes implied consent to a pro-rata share, however. > 4. Long distance calls to wives, sweethearts, parents, stockbrokers, bookies > seeresses, phone "companions", 1-900 numbers, and the like. Chargeable > calls include reservation of future lodging, restaurant reservations, pizza > delivery (if shared by all), auto clubs, repair shops, 911, and condolence > calls to next of kin. Calls to ISP's shall be allocated according to the > percentage of use attributable to the needs of the trip. > 2.2 The owner of the vehicle is responsible for any repairs. Exceptions: > A. Damage occasioned by passenger's urgings to follow a particular path, > especially down unpaved roads or nonroads (The "You're The Navigator" Rule). > B. Damage caused by the passenger's actions, inactions, or size (The "Two > Ton Baker" Rule). > 2.3 Traffic tickets will be the responsibility of the driver unless one of > the following apply: > A. A train is in sight > B. Someone thought a train was in sight. > C. Someone thought he heard a train.. > D. A train would have been in sight except for the traffic cop. > E. The scanner says a train is near > F. The passengers are urging the driver to make up lost time, find the train > or otherwise muttering comments about "burning daylight." > G. A passenger is emitting noxious odors from a need to evacuate his viscera > (no words are necessary to invoke this exception). > 2.4 Parking tickets are common expenses. Towing expenses are the > responsibility of the person who said "nobody will mind." > 2.5 Unless agreed in advance, trip expenses shall be estimated and all > passengers shall contribute to a common treasury prior to the commencement > of the trip. A treasurer shall be chosen by unanimous agreement; if > agreement achieves 75% or more of the passengers, dissenters shall be > dropped from the trip to achieve unanimity. Note Rule 7.1 for additional > treasurer duties. In the event it becomes clear that actual expenses are > exceeding estimates, all shall be required to contribute equally to bring > the kitty up to the new estimate. If any person fails to contribute his > share of the additional amounts, he may be left at the side of the road > where the gas money would have run out if others had not contributed. > Section 3. Equipment. > 3.1 Each person shall be responsible for the equipment he brings. Drivers > are not required to make long detours for equipment left behind, nor to stop > to replace missing or non-functional equipment (The "There's No Turning Back > Now" Rule). > 3.2 No one shall use any one else's equipment without permission. > 3.3 Unless there is unanimous agreement, no side trips for additional film, > medication, sun screen, snacks, shoelaces, or other such commodities will be > made. All passengers shall have checklists to ensure they bring all needed > items (The "There's No Stopping Now" Rule). > 3.4 Stowage allowances: > A. For day trips, each passenger shall be allowed a camera bag not to exceed > one cubic foot, and another bag not to exceed one cubic foot nor 10 pounds. > B. For trips exceeding one day, each passenger shall be allowed a camera bag > not to exceed one cubic foot, a tripod fully collapsed, and one other bag > not to exceed one and one half cubic feet nor 25 pounds. > C. Stowage allowances are inclusive of souvenirs on the trip, and persons > expecting to collect souvenirs are expected to start with less to > accommodate acquisitions. > D. Acquisitions: > 1. The driver shall have the right to reject any acquisitions that have any > taint of illegality attached to them, in his discretion. In the event that > such an item is not rejected and is subsequently discovered by a person > having arrest authority, the acquirer shall immediately and loudly > acknowledge his possession of same and aver no knowledge thereof on the part > of the other passengers of the vehicle. > 2. A majority vote of passengers shall be sufficient to abandon any > acquisition that emits a noxious odor or sound, or is a living member of the > animal kingdom (dead members being excluded automatically without a vote). > 3. The driver may demand a share of the booty, provided he accepts a share > of the jail time attached thereto. > E. The driver may increase allowances at his discretion, providing that no > passenger is deprived of reasonable comfort in seating. > F. Persons who gain significant weight on a trip may be compelled to lighten > their baggage. > G. The driver is not bound to allocate any leftover space or weight > allowances equally and may allocate it all to himself if he so chooses (The > Extra Crannies" corollary to the "It's My Car" Rule) . Section 4. Railfan > Demeanor. > 4.1 No passenger shall expel any noxious odor in the vehicle (The "Beano" > Rule). Persons violating this rule while blaming it on another may be sealed > in a garbage bag for the remainder of the trip (The "Enjoy Yourself" Rule). > 4.2 No person shall talk over the scanner(s). Duct tape may be employed to > enforce observance of this rule by repeat offenders (the "Red Green" Rule).. > 4.3 All persons shall respect photo lines. Photo lines are established by > the first person to set up for the picture. Violators may be leashed with > any available material, and deprived of film (The "Kevin Filter" Rule). > A. A photo line cannot be established by a person who: > 1. Has a history of inability to understand basic photographic composition, > or > 2. Is noted for either reckless or multiple shots of everything in sight, or > > 3. Is using a disposable camera or any equipment purchased more than 30 > years ago or equipment with one or more inoperable features, or > 4. Has a history of not developing the pictures he takes.. > 4.4 Theft of artistic concept in photos is grounds for shunning. > 4.5 Passengers without two way radios shall stay in hailing distance of the > driver. Penalty for violation of this rule includes, without limitation, > being left behind. > A. Driver is required to stop for passengers running after the vehicle if > they are within 50 feet and no train is within sight or hearing. > B. Driver may temporarily abandon any passenger not within close proximity > to the vehicle (whether tied by two way radio or not) to capture a train > photograph at another location if the person abandoned "probably wouldn't > have made it in time anyway." (The Emergency Doctrine, otherwise known as > the "Don't Go Running Off" Rule). > 4.6 Persons who cause any passenger to miss a scheduled deadline with that > person's wife, child or significant other must admit to same and apologize > in person to the party aggrieved. If necessary for the health or future > railfanning of the aggrieved person, an apology shall be made whether or not > the other person did anything wrong (The "Bill's Fault" Rule). > 4.7 Persons who have a recorded history of getting in other people's > photographs shall wear camouflage clothing (The "No Fluorescent Colors" > Rule). > 4.8 The sighting of a train shall be loudly and immediately announced. The > false making of such a signal (the joke having gone stale long ago) is > grounds for ejection from the vehicle, in addition to reparations for any > damage to the brakes of the vehicle or to the driver's heart. Failure to > announce a real train, if done for the purpose of getting an exclusive photo > is grounds for confiscation of the violator's camera. > 4.9 Health and Well-being. > A. Medical emergencies that are not life-threatening do not constitute > grounds for immediate removal from the railfanning site (The "Tough Men Live > with Pain" Rule). Persons bleeding shall take note of rules 1.4 and 2.1.b.1. > Weight lost as a result of blood or tissue loss increments the loser's > acquisition allowance proportionately. > B. Medical supplies are not the responsibility of the vehicle owner (besides > you used them up last trip, remember?) Persons prone to stumbles, falls, > frequent lacerations, and the like shall pack adequate supplies to deal with > any injury he may sustain ("Don's Rule"). > C. Pre-existing medical conditions and the requirements thereof shall be > made known to the group prior to departure. Unacceptable requirements may be > grounds for exclusion from the vehicle. Unacceptable requirements include: > 1. "I have to eat/drink [insert item - Twinkies, Diet Coke, Fritos] every x > hours, even though the Rules don't permit it, or I will die/get serious ill > to the disgust of all aboard." --Special nutritional requirements are a part > of your weight allowance. > 2. "My tourniquet has to be loosened every 15 minutes." -- Passengers are not > responsible for meeting other's medical needs. > 3. "My [insert item - pacemaker, colostomy bag, erectile pump] needs > replacement." --Passengers may not be grossed out by replacement of bionic > parts. > 4. "My [insert item - appendix, gall bladder, sphincter] must be removed or > transplanted. " --Passengers are not allowed to solicit under any > circumstances, even for worthy causes, which yours is not. > 5. "Please ignore the [insert item - monkey-shaped tumor on my arm, bedpan, > bleeding from where the screws go into my head]." --Any aberrant medical > problem sensible to any passenger through visual or olfactory means that > could induce nausea in the sensor is grounds for exclusion. > 6. "I have to insert a [anal pill-what the hell do you call it?] every so > often." --Passengers may not be grossed out by the thought of what you are > going to do. > D. Passengers electing to assist another in the treatment of a medical > problem, even though they are under no obligation to do so, may not be > criticized for their performance (The "Good Samaritan" Rule). Passengers are > warned that this rule does not prevent a lawsuit by the next of kin for > wrongful death. > 4.10 No person shall retell embarrassing trip stories about any person to > the person's wife, children, or significant other, or to a person who might > pass along the gossip to such a person. Anything may be told to another > member of the club, who has an ethical obligation to observe this rule. > 4.11 Each occupant of the vehicle is entitled to correct the purportedly > factual utterances of any other occupant of the vehicle no more than twice > in an excursion; all other alleged errors must be suffered in silence (The > Only 1500 More Miles With This Pedantic Imbecile" Rule). > A. Any correction not accepted as such by the person being corrected must be > acknowledged by the words "Or Something like that". > B. The driver may permit further correction, but only when the vehicle has > recommenced forward motion after depositing the utterer and/or the corrector > together with all his or their equipment, paraphernalia, and souvenirs, on > the shoulder of the road. > 4.12 The following shall be considered forbidden topics during travel times: > A. Religion (proselytizers are subject to immediate ejection without a > cessation of the forward movement of the vehicle); > B. Politics, unless permitted by the driver (persons considering criticizing > the driver's politics are reminded of rule 1.14); > C. Self descriptions of the latest ailment or bowel movement; > D. Grandiose descriptions of how good it was on a previous trip to the same > place, especially after a bad day. > E. Arguments relating to the physics of Star Trek, or to the emotional > make-up of any of the characters thereof. > 4.13 Videographers shall be treated the same as photographers, and are > subject to the same rules regarding photo lines, etc. Only the following > exceptions apply: > A. Videographers may request that there be no nonessential noise in the > photo line. Essential noises include shutters, automatic winders, and > demands that persons violating the photo line move their gluteus maximi. > B. Drivers may not be videographers while the vehicle is in motion. > 4.14 During travel times, back seat passengers shall not: > A. Ask "Are we there yet" or words to that effect. > B. Second guess the driver (but see Rule 1.10 D.). > C. Eat any item having a substantial unpleasant odor (unpleasant being > defined by the driver). > 4.15 At those times when all passengers must exit the vehicle quickly to get > an otherwise unattainable shot, those out first shall quickly move from the > door so as not to block those getting out behind them (The "Bail Out" Rule). > There is no penalty for violation of this rule, except that the violator may > not criticize the person who knocked him down from behind. Persons who bail > before the vehicle is completely stopped do so at their own risk. > 4.16 All passengers shall treat each other with utmost courtesy, at least > the most that can be expected from any other form of lowlife (The "Emily > Post" Rule). Vulgarity, profanity and expletives are forbidden. The > following expressions, however, are not prohibited: > A. "Kiss my grits." > B. "Screw you", if intended in a humorous manner and not intended to be > physically acted upon. > C. Repetition of any words followed by "my ass" so long as it does not > create an imperative sentence. > D. Any words directed at a person who violates a photo line. > Section 5. Comestibles. > 5.1 Food is not the principal purpose of a railfan trip (The "Gung Ho" Rule) > > 5.2 Stops for food shall be by majority rule, with the driver having a veto. > Exceptions: > A. Any person may reject a fast food restaurant if the previous three meals > have been at fast food restaurants (The "Mickey D" Rule). > B. If agreed in advance, on trips of longer than a day, each passenger may > exercise the option to choose the eating establishment without majority > agreement once on the trip. The following restaurants are excluded option > choices: > 1. Any place featuring cuisine developed west of Sacramento, CA, south of > Hutchinson, KS, or east of Berlin (bratwurst and kielbasa being assigned to > Sheboygan, WI; other regional bigotries are consigned to the category of > personal menu choices). > 2. Any place where the potato or salad course is ala carte. > 3. Any place where the flies outnumber the patrons. > 4. Any place that would violate Rule 5.3. > 5.3 No restaurant or chain shall be visited more than once on a trip. There > are no exceptions to this rule (The "No Duplication" Rule). > 5.4 Persons who must eat according to a particular schedule shall have > appropriate nourishment on hand in case the other passengers do not care to > stop. > 5.5 Rules regarding comestibles in vehicles: > A. Persons who bring or purchase snacks without notifying the others may be > required to share same (The "Kindergarten" Rule). > B. Persons who get crumbs in the car may be required to vacuum same. > C. Persons who make messes in the car shall be required to fess up to the > owner's wife and apologize to same. > D. Persons bringing snacks or other food items into the vehicle shall remove > all such items with them, and shall not leave them thinking someone else can > eat them (The "Abandoned Fritos" Rule). > 5.6 Passengers may eat as much or as often as they choose subject to the > limitations herein; however, all passengers are reminded of Rule 3.4 F. > Other passengers, however, are not prohibited from rolling their eyes or > making snide remarks regarding same. > 5.7 Meals shall be scheduled during times when a 52mm lens with a 3.4 f-stop > requires an exposure of 1/8 second or longer with ASA 400 film, or when > rainfall is exceeding one inch per hour (The "Burning Daylight" Rule). > Section 6. Railfanning Sites. > 6.1 The navigator shall get the vehicle to the designated railfanning > site(s) by the shortest (fastest) possible route. The naval gunnery method > of navigation is expressly forbidden (The "You May Fire When Ready, Gridley" > Rule) > 6.2 It is an agreed rule that "No trespassing" signs are considered to be > precatory, and for the liability protection of the railroad only. Hence they > may be disregarded at will unless backed up by the verbal instructions of a > railroad employee or minion of the law. This rule does not permit the > following: > A. The crossing of busy mainline tracks, especially if a train is on them. > B. The hopping of any freight by a passenger who still has a seat in the > vehicle (those who no longer do are no longer bound by the rules). > C. The entry into any building that requires breaking a lock or window or > would otherwise entail sanctions by the local governmental agencies under > statutes governing what is more commonly known as "burglary". > D. The crossing of a railroad bridge more than 50 feet long if a train is > within hearing distance. > E. The activation of any railroad equipment by persons not employed by the > railroad, whether or the purpose of the move is to improve the photographic > composition of the site. > 6.3 The person who stands the most to gain by any entry onto railroad > property shall be the one who asks the local yardmaster for permission. If > all stand to gain equally, the choice shall be made by lot, the short straw > losing and having to ask. > 6.4 Releases requested by any railroad shall be signed with the real name of > the person signing same; legibility is not required, however. > 6.5 All passengers shall be required to contribute equally to the bail of > any person arrested who: > A. Is not in violation of these rules. > B. Is in violation but so are all the others, of the same rule. > C. Is in violation where the others are not, but has the keys to the vehicle > (The "Do you wanna get home today or not" Rule). > D. Is in violation of a different rule than the others, but the others' > violations are more egregious. For determining the degree of egregiousness, > see the voting rules post. > 6.6 Site "improvement" is forbidden without a majority vote; however, those > without a camera do not have a vote. > 6.7 Sites without a train within 40 minutes may be abandoned; the navigator > and scanner operator are to be equally charged with this offense. If the > site is subsequently determined to be an abandoned line, the navigator may > be publicly flogged. > 6.8 The driver shall give all due consideration to requests from any > passenger to vacate a railfan site because of excessive or undue attention > from local citizens, either on foot or in one or more pursuing vehicles, > especially if the pursuers are armed (The "It Wasn't This Bad When I Was > Here In 73" Rule). > Section 7. Lodging. > 7.1 Wherever possible, lodging shall be selected and reserved prior to the > start of the trip. Reservations shall be guaranteed by the credit card of > the trip treasurer. If the treasurer fails to make reservations or fails to > guarantee them when selection has been made in advance, and there is no > lodging for the night, the treasurer may be relieved of his duties and his > body dumped along a quiet back road. > 7.2 Room assignment is by the buddy system. Pair up with who you want; > unpaired remainders are left to each other (The "Do I have to room with > Stinky?" Rule). The most financially responsible person in the room has > choice of beds and control of all devices that can add to the bill. Rule 2.1 > D. will be enforced. > 7.3. No person shall use more than one half of the linen and towels assigned > to the room. No person shall liberate any item from the room unless his was > the credit card given the lodging manager. > 7.4 Bathroom fans shall be liberally employed. Persons who leave an > olfactory deposit in a bathroom shall be obligated to warn all other > potential users for at least one-half hour thereafter, 2 hours if the room > is not equipped with a fan. > 7.5 Curfews shall not be in force, but departure times shall be governed by > the earliest person to wake who shall immediately get everyone else moving > if photos can be taken without a flash. Persons requiring breakfast shall > note the time of sunrise and get up one-half hour earlier. > 7.6 Daily showers are mandatory for all passengers (The "Who choked the > goat?" Rule). > Section 8. Dispute Resolution. > 8.1 There's no hope for this group. Why bother writing rules to resolve > disputes? A rabbi with 40 years of Talmudic study couldn't niggle the > differences . > 8.2 Where a rule is subject to interpretation, the interpretation may be > made by any person seeking to invoke the rule, who may contort the > interpretation to any degree he likes as he sticks out his thumb along the > side of the road. > Section 9. Modifications of the Rules. > 9.1 Any rule can be suspended for a designated trip by a majority vote with > the following vote weighting: > A. Every passenger gets one vote; > B. The driver gets 2 votes; > C. The owner of the car gets 10 votes; and > D. The owner's wife gets 50 votes. > Persons not present at the time of the vote are not counted. However, a > majority of the votes present at any time may reconsider a prior vote. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41953	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 10/24/2006
Subject: Re: A Southern York? Norcross, Georgia

I have attended this show in the past and plan to attend on November 4. Flyer is pretty much hit and miss at any Atlanta show. There are a couple of guys that will probably have their usual AF for sale, but they seem to have the same stuff every show - priced just high enough to go back home with them until the next show. Hopefully this show will be better, but usually Atlanta shows are a big disappointment when it comes to Flyer and S gauge in general. Typically my only purchase, in addition to the show cover charge, is lunch at the Burger King just down the street! BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Jerry Matsick" <mtoytrain@...> wrote: > > As great as the Eastern Division Meet is at York Pa, I am seeking more > information on the GREAT TRAIN EXPO, NORCROSS, GEORGIA > Nove 4 and 5th > It would be great to have our own YORK here in the Southland and any > information on this Meet would be greatly appreciated > > The show runs from 10 - 4 both days! > 300 + tables and a number of operating layouts. > > Anyone attending or can update me on information greatly appreciated. > > Jerry Matsick > Jax S Ville. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41954	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 10/24/2006
Subject: Re: York Clearance Sale

Back from York, purchased items you were not happy with or you have items you would like to sell, list them on AvailableSGauge! Jerry Matsick Moderator

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41955	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 10/24/2006
Subject: Re: 336 TENDER

Anyone know if the wheels on any tender will work on the 336 tender? I just bought one & it needs the tender wheels. Mike PS: I know they have to be the metal ones for PU [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41956	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 10/24/2006
Subject: Re: NEW LTI NORTHERN # 9-48047 FOR SALE

Anyone that can't find a new LTI Northern # 9-48047 I have another one for sale $414 Shipping included. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41957	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 10/24/2006
Subject: Re: 336 TENDER

They should....... use a Pacific or similar engine from the same time period.... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: anormal1@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 4:24 PM Subject: [S-Trains] RE: 336 TENDER Anyone know if the wheels on any tender will work on the 336 tender? I just bought one & it needs the tender wheels. Mike PS: I know they have to be the metal ones for PU [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41958	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 10/24/2006
Subject: Re: 336 TENDER

Thanks, Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41959	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 10/24/2006
Subject: Re: New 2-8-0 Consolidation and DCC

Dear Rick, Thank you for your very kind words about our 2-8-0. Yes, F6 is the function designated to the smoke unit on and off. If you have on of those nifty volt/amp meters that Tony's makes, you can see the amp draw increase when the smoke unit is turned on. One thing to keep in mind, if you lose power to the track, your throttle may still show that F6 is still turned on, but it really isn't. The same thing holds true for the F7 brake. The slide switch that can be accessed under the tender water hatch cover (fireman's side, small black slide). When pushed in the off position, the F6 function will be disabled. Rick wrote: > My birthday party was Saturday and I received what I had asked for, a > 2-8-0 and a DCC starter set. It helped that I ordered it. > > Today I was able to set up about 6 feet of test track and try it out. > Boy is it super!!! > > Runs smooth as can be and the sound is amazing. I must admit I'm > somewhat overwhelmed using DCC for the first time. I'm trying out one > function at a time. > > The smoke unit is super also. One question, do I have to use the > switch in the tender to turn the smoke off or can I just use the DCC > function F6? I suspect I'll use the smoke function only some of the time. > > My granddaughter is on the way over now for the big demo. She'll be > blowing the whistle all night long! > > Rick > San Diego > > > . > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41960	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 10/24/2006
Subject: Re: YORK

The last time I suggested that York DEALER HALLS be open to the public on Sat for the same admission as members pay for all three days, I was shouted down (literally stood up and screamed at me) by a long time Yorker. The dealers HAVE their tax licenses, pay the "painless taxes" etc. Leave the "non" dealer members out of it in their other halls. Solves Sales tax issue for the moment. Sooner or later, PA is going to collect from everyone, government is getting more bloated and wasteful by the minute. Still up to Eastern Div. Jim Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41961	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 10/24/2006
Subject: Re: Re;Who was at York?

Sadly, not everyone was at York, as I did not see Neil Young's bus. I think he was at State College for the PSU game! Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: Stumpy Stone To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 5:48 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re;Who was at York? Gee, it's good to hear everyone was there. I was beginning to worry that S was starting to slide before I ever get a chance to see the BIG SHOW. I hope to get to York in the spring, but it depends on if the boys let me. Stumpy in Appalachia. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41962	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 10/24/2006
Subject: Re: YORK

In a message dated 10/24/2006 10:31:57 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, rahrens@... writes: Since I live 6 miles from York, I'm asking for suggestions any of you have as to how to start meeting those who could help us out. Ideas would be greatly appreciated! buy us LOTS of doughnuts??? Jim Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41963	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 10/24/2006
Subject: Re: YORK

Mr. Beebear of Buckeye Express, Might be difficult to get in, as there are security guards checking badges. But you could go to State College and buy lots of Blue and White things for that train room of yours. Just kidding. A Terp grad, Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: beebear@... To: fredstrainparts@... Cc: rcon7@... ; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 4:37 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] YORK Just think of all the people who would attend IF you didn't have to be a TCA member to get in the halls. I might even try to attend if I didn't HAVE to be a member. ----> deleted text .... But I really feel that TCA made a mistake by going to thursday noon..... More time for the sellers and buyers???? What about the thousands who would come if it was open on Friday, Saturday and Sunday...... Lots of perple have to hold down a JOB from Monday until Friday that would come if York was a weekend meet....... Why drive 200 miles to see a few leftover tabels on Sat unitl noon!!!!! Prob hundreds or even thousands would come for 2 days Sat and Sun....... Think of the MILLIONS within a 200 mile radius......... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41964	From: David Engle	Date: 10/24/2006
Subject: Re: 336 TENDER

Not exactly related, but this reminds me of the time I was in the Trost Hobby Shop on 63rd St. In Chicago in the late 60s, and they had 5 different AF steam engines on the counter, like a Hudson, a Pacific, an Atlantic, a K-5, etc. and they ALL Had the Same Tender. Never did figure that one out, I do not remember asking anyone about it. ----- Original Message ----- From: "ROBERT ALLEN CONNER" <rcon7@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; <anormal1@...> Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 4:50 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: 336 TENDER > They should....... use a Pacific or similar engine from the same time > period.... Bob > ----- Original Message ----- > From: anormal1@... > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 4:24 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] RE: 336 TENDER > > > Anyone know if the wheels on any tender will work on the 336 tender? I > just > bought one & it needs the tender wheels. Mike > PS: I know they have to be the metal ones for PU > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41965	From: Dale Smith	Date: 10/24/2006
Subject: Re: Re;Who was at York?

I don't think he was in State College. Actually Neil Young was in the San Francisco Bay Area last weekend doing an annual benefit concert for the Bridge School, a school for children with severe speech and physical impairments located on the San Francisco Peninsula in Hillsborough. http://www.bridgeschool.org/events.html Dale Smith ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael and Linda Marmer To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com ; Stumpy Stone Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 6:06 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re;Who was at York? Sadly, not everyone was at York, as I did not see Neil Young's bus. I think he was at State College for the PSU game! Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: Stumpy Stone To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 5:48 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re;Who was at York? Gee, it's good to hear everyone was there. I was beginning to worry that S was starting to slide before I ever get a chance to see the BIG SHOW. I hope to get to York in the spring, but it depends on if the boys let me. Stumpy in Appalachia. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41966	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 10/24/2006
Subject: Looking for project loco

I'm looking for a project locomotive...any number American Flyer 0-8-0 steam switcher. It should be in VG or lower condition and need not run, but must be complete. I need one to put a DC can motor in and add to my fleet. Stumpy Stone...cheap in Appalachia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41967	From: Mark Preman	Date: 10/25/2006
Subject: Great Train Expo - Norcross, GA

AmericanFlyerTrains.com will have a double booth of AF goodies for sale at this show November 4 and 5. Stop by and say hello! Mark PS. Don't forget to check out the new ODDS&ENDS page at http://www.americanflyertrains.com for closeouts and odd balls! Mark B. Preman AmericanFlyerTrains.com --------------------------------- All-new Yahoo! Mail - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41968	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 10/25/2006
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Plywood Benchwork

Pinned---we used air nailers and either 1.25" or 1.5" staples or finish nails plus yellow glue. Works well, found out when we had to rearrange a framing member. Jim Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41969	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 10/25/2006
Subject: Link to Great Train Expo - Norcross, GA

For those who have asked, here is a link to the Great Train Expo being held in Norcross (Atlanta) on November 4 - 5. The link has a link to a map to the location: http://gte.ciadvt.com/showinfo/20061104NOR.html I'm more optimistic about this being a better AF and S gauge show now that I know Mark Preman will be there and the Atlantic Coast S Gaugers will be operating their AF interactive layout. The kids really love that layout! BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41970	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 10/25/2006
Subject: Re: Great Train Expo - Norcross, GA

Is my understanding correct that the Georgia Division of the Atlantic Coast S Gaugers will be set up at this show? I have been expecting someone from the club to pitch in on this thread. That is the reason I want to be at this show though I will have to be in Indiana on business. - Earl Henry, Nashville, Modelling the Mighty Southern Railway - - - In a message dated 10/25/2006 7:47:42 AM Central Standard Time, amerflyer@... writes: AmericanFlyerTrains.com will have a double booth of AF goodies for sale at this show November 4 and 5. Stop by and say hello! Mark PS. Don't forget to check out the new ODDS&ENDS page at http://www.americanflyertrains.com for closeouts and odd balls! Mark B. Preman AmericanFlyerTrains.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41971	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 10/25/2006
Subject: set # 134

HELP..... Can anyone tell me the contents of set box # 134... I picked up a nice box with a strong number on the label...... all that was in in was several boxes of track, zig zag cardboard car packing..... for 6 to 8 cars and what appears to be 0-8-0 loco and tender cardboard inner box liners....... also a boxed #2 tranny and a # 1 1/2 loose tranny...... paper about the 0-8-0 instructions.... This set is not listed anywhere in the books I have.... Bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41972	From: Gerald Dobbs	Date: 10/25/2006
Subject: Bandit Meets

My thoughts: Dealers at Bandit meets DO NOT have to adhere to TCA standards. Before I hear from a lot of you, YES there are a lot of reputable dealers at these meets. But some dealers "BUYER BEWARE". Yes I have purchased items at bandit meets, only to find out later the item was misrepresented, and the dealer would not take it back. I have purchased many excellent items at bandit meets at good prices. Most TCA members will sign for new members. Legally you can't keep any one from joining TCA. BUT People can and have been asked to leave TCA for various questionable behavior. The York show should enforce there rule, " If you leave early ( without pryer approval ) no table at the next show" I have never had a sower deal with any TCA members. Jerry TCA HR7711644

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41973	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 10/25/2006
Subject: Nov 4th KEYSTONE MEET

Tables are still available for the Nov 4th Keystone Meet in Lancaster Co, PA. Located in St Philip's Catholic Church at the corner of PA Rts 741 & 999 the hall boasts space for 100 tables, GOOD food by the Men's Sunday School Class (many of them TCA'ers). Details: MUST be TCA to rent table Table cost $12. PRE, $14 at the door Admission--Keystone Members (dues paying) FREE TCA 9 to 10 AM--PRE-registered $3.00 TCA Not pre-registred $4.00 TCA Guest $5.00 CONTACT: Ron Morris to PRE-register, 2723 Beacon Drive, Sinking Spring, PA 19608-1798 Public admitted at 10 AM, $5. per adult/family SANTA CLAUS will be there, FREE pics with Santa for kids under 12 Kids ride-on railroad Door Prizes, Gift Certificates to Local Train Shops, can't thank these folks enough for supporting us, PLEASE support them. A decided effort is being made to get the most PR this show has ever had, in advance, to support those who support us. Jim Lyle, Advisor, Keystone Div, TCA [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41974	From: mtoytrain@bellsouth.net	Date: 10/25/2006
Subject: Re: Great Train Expo - Norcross, GA

I would like to attend this meet but have heard negative comments about lack of Flyer or S Gauge trains being there? Jerry Matsick > > From: tennsgauge@... > Date: 2006/10/25 Wed AM 09:42:33 EDT > To: amerflyer@..., S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Great Train Expo - Norcross, GA > > Is my understanding correct that the Georgia Division of the Atlantic Coast S > Gaugers will be set up at this show? I have been expecting someone from the > club to pitch in on this thread. That is the reason I want to be at this show > though I will have to be in Indiana on business. - Earl Henry, Nashville, > Modelling the Mighty Southern Railway > - > - > - > > In a message dated 10/25/2006 7:47:42 AM Central Standard Time, > amerflyer@... writes: > AmericanFlyerTrains.com will have a double booth of AF goodies for sale at > this show November 4 and 5. Stop by and say hello! > Mark > PS. Don't forget to check out the new ODDS&ENDS page at > http://www.americanflyertrains.com for closeouts and odd balls! > > Mark B. Preman > AmericanFlyerTrains.com > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41975	From: John Foley	Date: 10/25/2006
Subject: S Scale Bridges

Hi Folks I found a custom builder who will do any of his pervious bridges in S or he can work from a photo. Check out his website at http://home.att.net/~no5gonehome/wsb/html/view.cgi-home.html-.html and click on photos. I have send him a request of cost for two of his bridges in S. I will share that info when I receive it. John Foley NASG Promotions [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41976	From: Jollivier4@cs.com	Date: 10/25/2006
Subject: I want PORK!

OK boys and girls, I can't believe all of the complaints about York. It sounds like several characters on this list put a lot of time and effort into putting on a good show. Thanks folks. Man, I can't even imagine that many trains in one place. And the parts boxes (swoooooon). I want a show like that on the west coast! We could call it PORK! I'd be there (even though I can't manage to get more than my name on chat anymore) Jacques in Thorp [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41977	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 10/25/2006
Subject: Re: Great Train Expo - Norcross, GA

Earl, Yes - the Georgia Division of ACSG is scheduled to have their layout at this show. I do not how many of them are members of this group. BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, tennsgauge@... wrote: > > Is my understanding correct that the Georgia Division of the Atlantic Coast S > Gaugers will be set up at this show? I have been expecting someone from the > club to pitch in on this thread. That is the reason I want to be at this show > though I will have to be in Indiana on business. - Earl Henry, Nashville, > Modelling the Mighty Southern Railway > - > - > - > > In a message dated 10/25/2006 7:47:42 AM Central Standard Time, > amerflyer@... writes: > AmericanFlyerTrains.com will have a double booth of AF goodies for sale at > this show November 4 and 5. Stop by and say hello! > Mark > PS. Don't forget to check out the new ODDS&ENDS page at > http://www.americanflyertrains.com for closeouts and odd balls! > > Mark B. Preman > AmericanFlyerTrains.com > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41978	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 10/25/2006
Subject: SET #134

Still looking for set info..... TUFTS book lists goes from 133 to 150....... set box is B1N595.... According to his book sets 39ENS (287), 40 (307), 1101 (303) ALSO CAME IN THIS BOX..... BOX SIZE IS 8" X 12 1/2" X 20".... THINKING 54 - 56 PERIOD..... Come on Guys and Gals...... surely someone knows the answer.... THE #134 IS STRONG...... Bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41979	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 10/25/2006
Subject: My York 2006 Part 1

I am a little late with my doings at York, Fall, 2006, as Friday night, Linda and I stopped for the night in Lancaster, had dinner at our favorite restaurant, The Iron Horse Inn. Saturday, we checked out of the hotel, as we were headed for Wilmington, DE Saturday night for a concert of a favorite folk singer from the Gulf area, Nanci Griffith. The performance was in a restored 1871 Opera House and the acoustics where wonderful. But we did spent Saturday, on the Strasburg RR and I got pictures of Bob Tufts Memorial Brick, that I believe a Atlantic Coast S Gauge group purchased. I see, that the modern plumbing at the museum is operating very well now. Several one seaters lined up in the parking lot! Anyway, this is one of the weirdest York's I have ever attended since 1992, as I spent too much time talking to people on these list, a good thing, as that slowed us down from hitting all the halls in one day for the first time! I sold that Lionel train set, that I wrote about on these list, back in August, that a co-worker of my wife found in their attic, as they sold their house, traded some never used long pieces of S K-Line track that I purchased in 1992, 5 of them, plus the balance in check for two Florida State/Maryland football tickets for this Saturday, as me, a MD grad,gets to sit not only with Joe Haenn, a S dealer in parts and his wife, but I get to sit in the FSU section! The tail gate party I am invited to will be interesting, as I was adapted in the FSU brotherhood, since I helped them get $700 from the U of MD, for the lost Alumni Blimp they had cut away in 2004 by some MD students. Long story for another time. Anyway, I always go to the Red Hall first, to see what Gary Clark has, as allot of my collection of AF is from him, as my searching at York, as last time, was some of the less expensive pieces to complete some 1958 to 1960 sets. Trying to find a five digit, 45 dollar Mobil Tanker is just as hard as trying to find a $1800 21129 Hudson! Gary did not have anything I wanted, as he did have two nice 24059 PM B&M Box cars for $395 each. Those are listed in the TM book at 175 in E, as one of them was at York last April. I think I will keep looking. I did get a Mobil Tanker with Box for 50, which was a good price from Roger Loria, as we talked awhile about how AF went out of business in 1966 due to the Sears deal on James Bond items. I have some thoughts on that, as I will do that another time. We saw John Heck's table. Again, just higher price items, that I already have!! In the red hall was a test track, as I had the Lionel engine, with me, from that set found and I wanted to make sure it was suppose to do everything it did, run forward and reverse, as being a AF collector and now no longer a Lionel Virgin, as this is the first time in 51 years, I ever touched a Lionel or O gauge product, let alone even let it in my house!!! I could not figure how to get this engine on the track, as the track not only had three rails, but a zillion it seamed, to run all the different types of O or Standard Gauge items. One guy I asked for help was a AF guy and he knew nothing, as quoted from a 1960's sitcom. We saw John Vanacore from CT and he had a five digit NH Box for 100 in E, that I needed too. So, I purchased that. We went through the Purple Hall and saw Doug Peck. He was busy with someone, as we waved. We then saw Amato's of New Britain, CT. I mention to a Amato, probably a son, that we pass by New Britain all the time on the way to Maine and need to see the New Britain Rockcats baseball team someday! We traded some train horror stories, as my 21129 engine was gone for years before I got it back, by a train Shoppe in Rockville that closed up. He told me this story. The person doing repairs for him, got into a mess with the wife, cheating or something. So, the wife, grabbed allot of train items from tables, shelving, etc. Placed them on the floor and ran them over with the car!!! Mr. Amato no longer uses this repair person, as he had to buy the customer a new $500 dollar engine. He gave me a neat business card. They have taken a billboard from the All Aboard panels and made them into business cards! Neat. It was getting late, as Linda and I were to meet Tom Bianculli for lunch, as Tom and I have done some private emails. So, I had a feeling we would be running out of time in seeing all the halls, so I knew in the silver hall was Mike Farner, AF dealer from KY, who sold me a nice 21129 upgrade in April, as that is about the only person in the Silver hall I wanted to see, as most of the tables are hit and miss with AF. We said hello, talked a bit. Sadly, I told Mike what I was looking for and he said he leaves the "cheap stuff" at home, since you don't make as much money on those items. I can understand, as the expenses for York is allot. We parted, as it was getting near 12 noon, to meet Tom for lunch. Anyway, as this gets longer, time for game 4 of the World Series and I will continue tomorrow. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41980	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 10/25/2006
Subject: Re: I want PORK!

Try Cal- Stewart in Pasadena sometime soon, Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41981	From: Doug Peck	Date: 10/25/2006
Subject: Re: My Report of S at York

As a York dealer, I'll offer my observations..... 1) I choose not to set up at the "bandit" meets because (a) it would mean two extra days of expense; (b) I would have to break down and move into Purple Hall for setup on Wednesday, missing the "prime" bandit meet day; (c) I enjoy spending time on Wednesday looking around and talking with friends and other dealers, since I have no opportunity to do so at the fairgrounds; (d) my wife would shoot me if I told her we were setting up for 6 days, and moving in the middle of it ! 2) Since moving to the 3-day format, Saturday has become a wasteland.......most dealers seem to spend the 5 hours talking to each other and waiting for 2 PM to arrive. Thursday is OK, and Friday is usually the best. 3) "Customers" seem to universally like the 3-day format, which makes York much more relaxed and less of a rush to navigate. 4) My sales have not changed significantly, although costs have risen....TCA fees, lodging, meals, and travel. I'm not complaining .......just offering my insights. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: http://www.portlines.com E-mail: doug@... VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41982	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 10/25/2006
Subject: Re: I want PORK!

Darn Doc, I was keeping that for myself :) Not really, I have been there for years & there is a good amount of Flyer. And have told others, Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41983	From: charlie and edith	Date: 10/25/2006
Subject: Trade

Greetings Steve, enjoyed your web sight! Will have to put the 360 on track and check it out. I replaced the the truck frames with Flyonels and think it ran well with two of the three passenger cars in tow. Address here is: Charlie Hancock, 6843 123rd Ave., Fennville, MI., 49408. Will be in town on Friday and get the car in the mail. Thanks again and best wishes, Charlie [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41984	From: Trains	Date: 10/25/2006
Subject: Re: I want PORK!

We are having a great train show in Medford Oregon on weekend after Thanksgiving Nov 25 & 26, as we do every year. There are a number of dealers there and a big variety of scales and parts and stuff. Last year there were at least five dealers selling s-scale and S gauge Af items including cars, locos, accesories, track, switches and parts. Also included was a selection of new Lionel S and SHS, AM etc items cars and locos. We have a number of running layouts...and if I can get volunteers to help we could have an S gauge modular layout up and running. The modules are built and just need some cleaning ,track and accesories etc. Any one out there that wants to get involved contact me asap. By the way there are at least a dozen people who say they are S-gaugers in Southern Oregon and we do have a active club mostly directed at "Toy Train" enthusiats including AF O gauge, Lionel, Marx and Standard Gauge people...we have fun and enjoy each others intrests. Any one can join, no dues or cumbersome rules...rotate-visit meets every month. If you are interested contact me. Train show and table info see Classic Toy Train Mag Nov issue for Oregon to get info. Thanks Dr. K. Loeb, (Peter) rr4u@... ----- Original Message ----- From: <anormal1@...> To: <Jollivier4@...> Cc: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 5:55 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] I want PORK! > Try Cal- Stewart in Pasadena sometime soon, Mike > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41985	From: John Stevens	Date: 10/26/2006
Subject: Christmas Caboose

Anyone have any ideas on where/who may still have have one of the Lionel Christmas Caboose'? Jay Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely and in one pretty piece, but to slide in broadside, thoroughly used up, worn out, and defiantly yelling "Geronimo"! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41986	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 10/26/2006
Subject: Flyer Crossword #2

If you like collecting Flyer, and crosswords, then you will enjoy this .... http://s-scale.org/sscale/trains2.pdf If you missed the first one visit... http://s-scale.org/sscale/trains1.pdf [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41987	From: strain97009	Date: 10/26/2006
Subject: Portland Oregon Brass Show

Just a quick reminder: PORTLAND BRASS SHOW Sat. Oct 28th Hours: Clinics start at 8:30 and 9:15AM Show opens at 10AM to 5PM Shilo Inn-Airport 11707 NE Airport Way (2 blocks East of I-205) Portland, OR. Admission: $5.00 for everything. Hope to see you there. Bob Boring

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41988	From: Doug Peck	Date: 10/26/2006
Subject: "Red Cap" figure

I have a customer who has the "red cap" lead figure carrying a large suitcase and he's painted in full blackface, that went with the Wayside Station. I know the blackface figures are less common and worth more. Anyone have a feel for value????.....I don't. It's undamaged, and paint is in VG+ cond. This inquiry is not for me...it's for him.....I am not looking to buy it from him. Doug Peck

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41989	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 10/26/2006
Subject: My York, Part 2

Linda and I got over to the cafeteria at about 12, as we met up with Tom, as we suppose to met Jerry Matsick for lunch too, but he had flight troubles out of Jacksonville, FL and never made it to York. We had lunch with Tom for about a hour, talking about things, as I told him about the Lionel train set, I had to sell on EBay and I wanted to make sure it ran okay. I took the engine that I was carrying around with me, as the engine is in LN+++ condition, shell wise, but sadly, it did have battery acid leak inside on the chassis. There were a couple of spots of acid on the shell, that I thought were body chips, as Tom said they should wash off with water and that this engine could go for 1 to 200 dollars. At the table, another couple joined us, who happen to be a new member on the TCA list. I can't remember his name, as I think his last name started with a S. They seemed to be nice people. At about 1 o'clock, we parted ways with Tom and we proceeded to the Blue hall where Bill Trappen and a tribute to Bob Tufts was. We got to the Blue hall and proceeded down a aisle by the wall, as I saw another test track and a man sitting by it. I ask him, if he was running this test track and he said no, as his tables where to the left of us. I told him my story on how we came across this Lionel set and I wanted to make sure the engine ran okay. I pulled the engine out of the bag I was carrying and unwrapped it. I place the engine on the track, as I finally figure out the proper track for this O item. The light came on, but the engine did not run, like I had it at home with just a AF transformer. The man offer to help, as he pulled out his tool kit and took off the shell. When he saw the acid, he basically said he would not put this on Ebay and that engine was only good for parts. I told him, we had the entire set in the car. He said bring it by and he will make us a offer. I said that will be fine, as someone, me, who collects AF, I had to trust him about the acid making the engine only good for parts, as AF did not have a battery in the engines for the horn. So, we continued on in the blue hall and came upon the Bob Tufts Memorial table, where they had lots of pictures of Bob, his personalize VA license plate, "Flyernut", his AF hat he always wore at train shows and one of his daughters was at the table. We signed the guest book, as Linda and I did attend Bob's viewing, service and funeral at Arlington, as Bob signed my TCA application, with out even seeing me or knowing me in 1992. We talked to Valerie for a bit and proceeded on to look for Bill Trappen who was in aisle C. While in aisle C, we saw a table with a Penn State hat and I told my wife, "Yuck!" as I went to MD and her Dad to PSU! Just a bit of fun, as PSU is a fine school. We at MD, just got tired of getting our tail kicked in the 60's, 70's and 80's by PSU! So anyway, we did not see Bill table, as tried again and there he was, at the table with his wife, Rosemary, wearing a PSU sweatshirt and that hat was his!! O:)! It was great to finally met Bill, as we have emailed in the past about baseball, Roberto Clemente, as I am just happen to be reading a new book on Roberto. Again, we talked for a bit, as I showed him the engine and what I was told about the acid. He said that was pretty much true. After we finished talking, about PSU, a man on the other side heard us and was a Illinois fan from Illinois, as I he sells AF, as his name was Ronald Durst, as I have purchased a few items from him in the past and again, college football came up. Anyway, we finished the blue hall, as it was getting late and we had to get the train set and the AF track for Joe Haenn. We got the stuff and decided to go the blue hall first. The man was not there, as he was walking around the halls, his partner said. So we left the set there as we told the partner we will be back. We headed over to the Orange hall where Joe was, as I also wanted to say hello to Don Thompson of S Helper. We got to Joe's booth, said our hellos and about the FSU/MD game. I traded him the five pieces of track, new,never used, for $30 and gave him a check for the balance of the tickets of 70. What a deal that probably will never happen again in the world, AF items for partial payment of college football tickets! As we were talking, Don passed by, as we grabbed him! We asked how his son was doing who was wounded in Iraq. He is doing really well, for what he went through, Don told us, as I think Don said he is ready to go back, on his own decision back overseas. We then headed back to the blue hall to see, if the man was back. He was back, as he proceeded to look at the set, as the set box, was half eaten on one side by something over the years! We could tell he was really impressed with the condition of the set, as it had a common caboose, hopper, gondola, minute box rocket car, rocket missing rubber tip, helicopter car, missing helicopter, a 218C B unit and the engine. He said he needed the B unit to upgrade the one he had. Back in August, I got some emails from some TCA members, that this set in E would be about 325 if completely perfect, which it was not. Boxes for the cars in poor shape. So, for something in LN in AF, you add 30 to 40%. Again, I know nothing about Lionel and my wife's friend, said she would be happy to get enough money to buy two tickets to the Birchmere in VA. The Birchmere is a wonderful music venue, as two tickets would be about 50. The man made us the offer.............................. He said "How about 3?" as in $300. Sold. I think he really made us a very fair offer, as he could of taken advantage of me, but he did not. And I realize, he needs to make money on the items he will not keep. I am happy because I really did not want to put something on ebay for sale, that I have no knowledge about and possibly get a negative, my wife's will be very happy, as I would love to see her face when my wife hands her the money, all of it, in the envelope, and the buyer is happy, because he got a wonderful upgrade for the B unit and hopefully, he will make some money on the other items. I think it was perfect timing, in that we just happen to luck out with getting a buyer, by accident who really wanted that B unit. I wish I remember his name, as he did not have any business cards, but I am told his there all the time, a very tall, thin, gray hair man. I then wanted to tell Bill about the sale, as I still can not believe it, but Rosemary who was talking to a man, said he was gone looking at the other tables. We had to get going, as we had to check in the hotel in Lancaster and get ready for dinner in Strasburg. I told her I did not want to interrupt, but I wanted to tell her how much we got for the set. Somehow, we saw her later, with out the man, as she told us, he just happen to sit down and proceeded to tell her all of his problems! We made it to dinner fine and Saturday we rode the Strasburg train and went over to the TCA Museum, as I wanted to see the brick that was for Bob Tufts and get some pictures for some other TCA members. I saw the wonderful modern outdoor plumbing at the TCA museum. LOL So, we are done, with trains, as we were about to head out to Wilmington, for that nights concert, but then my wife, says, "lets stop at the Strasburg Train Shop and see what new PSU car they have!". Weaver makes a annual PSU car in HO. And there it was, the new car, promoting the Big Ten Championship from last year and another year, from the 1990's. We just had to get two of them. One for my wife, as that is not mine and one for her father. I think we now have about 10 of these "wonderful" cars, that goes along with my HO U of Maryland 1954 Championship for football. Hey, as least MD has won a basketball and football title! Duke, FSU and PSU can't say that! So, we are off, the concert was wonderful and Sunday we go to the riverwalk along the Christiana River in Wilmington, where they have some Shoppe's, restaurants, and building lots of condos. But this was a river during WW2 that was a ship building location, as they still had the large cranes way high in the air, on train wheels. No longer being used, but restored for the river walk, as they must of had at least ten of these. I am told that Lionel made these items for model trains. We did see the Wilmington Bluerocks baseball stadium, which we hope to go to a game someday. And then we headed home. Actually, this was not the weirdest York, but maybe the best, due to the friends we have made due to the S list and the TCA list. Please no more talking to people, trading track for tickets, or selling train sets for me, it takes me away from looking for AF pieces. JUST KIDDING! Now, where was that other 24316 Mobil tanker I saw and needed! Looking forward to next York in April. Might hit a Reading Phillies game! Oh, my wife's friend who is a Master Certified Chef is going to make us a dinner, as I really did not need anything in return for what we did for her. I was glad to help, as I wonder what kind of price she might gone on her own, not knowing anything about trains. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41990	From: Chris	Date: 10/26/2006
Subject: Re: York

Hey Bob: What I didn't find was YOU! I ate all alone at The Olive Garden on Friday night, so our S-List tradition was kept alive (barely). It's amazing how good the food is there, and that's coming from an Italian cook. I guess we couldn't get organized for York this time without our den mother in attendance. (Hi Barb!) I finally put together the "New Sunshine Special" (1956 catalog), when I bought the diesels and caboose from Michael Rosenberg and got a 989 reefer in silver hall a couple hours later. You guys know I am not a collector. I run everything. So be surprised when I tell you I paid $240 for the 989. Ouch. So much moola for a plastic boxcar. I feel like an idiot. I already owned multiples of all the other components of the set, so I finally completed something that I have wanted since I first saw one at the home of a friend of my father's when I was sixteen. But I have never spent that much on one car. I bought the 1991 Lionel lift bridge with 0 gauge track embedded. Two roadbedded Flyer rails fit nicely with plenty of room for trains to pass. Wait til I show you my rig for hooking them up to the three rail for electrical contact during lift operations. Tom Hodgson was there and I finally got my Flying Yanqui. It is amazing. That paint makes it look like it is made of metal. There's more, but it get's boring after that. I missed you guys. Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41991	From: Chris	Date: 10/26/2006
Subject: York

R Ahrens wrote: >>> I wanted to attend, but I have NO CLUE how I will get two members to nominate me for membership. . . . Since I live 6 miles from York, I'm asking for suggestions any of you have as to how to start meeting those who could help us out. <<< To go to York, you only need one member to sponsor you as a guest. You are allowed to attend only one meet this way. Once inside, you will find many list members and others with whom you do business who may sponsor you into TCA. That's how I got in. My friend Dennis Livesey took me to the show and got Ron Hollander, of all people, to co-sign my application. To get that guest entry, may I suggest the owner of the train shop in York, across from the Yorktowne Hotel. He is a member and had a table at this last meet. He also maintains a fair amount of S gauge in the shop (including a pretty minty Flyer Circus Set with original loads.) If you become a customer, he may be inclined to get you in as a guest. Good luck, Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41992	From: r_ahrens99	Date: 10/27/2006
Subject: York

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Chris" <busyboy@...> wrote: > > R Ahrens wrote: > > >>> I wanted to attend, but I have NO CLUE how I will get two members > to nominate me for membership. . . . Since I live 6 miles > from York, I'm asking for suggestions any of you have as to how to > start meeting those who could help us out. <<< > > To go to York, you only need one member to sponsor you as a guest. > You are allowed to attend only one meet this way. Once inside, you > will find many list members and others with whom you do business who > may sponsor you into TCA. That's how I got in. My friend Dennis > Livesey took me to the show and got Ron Hollander, of all people, to > co-sign my application. > > To get that guest entry, may I suggest the owner of the train shop in > York, across from the Yorktowne Hotel. He is a member and had a table > at this last meet. He also maintains a fair amount of S gauge in the > shop (including a pretty minty Flyer Circus Set with original loads.) > If you become a customer, he may be inclined to get you in as a guest. > > Good luck, > Chris Zizzo > I just want to say to everyone who gave me suggestions either on or off list Thank you so very much! I was amazed at the response! If only I had asked before York instead of waiting. Now I'll have to wait until Spring. I guess I won't be much of a collector either because I like to see the wheels go round too! Thanks again everyone! What a great group!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41993	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 10/27/2006
Subject: Re: Open House - all welcome

If traveling to Florida over the Thanksgiving/Christamas Holidays all are welcome to stop in and visit "Jax S Ville" Just email or call. Jerry Matsick

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41994	From: Chris	Date: 10/27/2006
Subject: Re: York

Dave Highfield asked: who was Gary who had his AF along the wall in one of the halls, mostly in mint condition? It was amazing. Dave, that's Gary Clark, whose goal in collecting is to own a one of everything Gilbert Flyer collection MIB with unbroken seals. He buys all collections at the asking price. His personal mint collection is about 70% there (according to him) and those pieces you see him selling are his rejects. Now how amazing is it? Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41995	From: Chris	Date: 10/27/2006
Subject: Yikes! What year???

Here I am, cruising through all the York posts that came up under my own (you know, the thread of "re:York") and I just answered one about Gary Clark. Then I see others from Bob Conner that he just returned from York and how Barb was terrific there and how it didn't rain, and I thought I was in a parallel universe. Apparently, re:York dates back to 2004. Arrrgh! Amazing though, how many posts referred to stuff that was completely accurate. York doesn't change all that much, does it? Sorry for the anachronistic posts. Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41996	From: Al Baker	Date: 10/27/2006
Subject: DC Power Pack recommendation?

Hi, I am looking for a recommendation for a reasonably good DC Power Pack to be used with my American Flyers. I have some stock AF DC engines, some with can motors, and several have standard AC motors with converted bridge rectifier circuit in tender to allow DC operation. My layout is not huge, about 6 x 12 filled with quite a lot of track. I have an MRC Tech4 200 17VA now, which seems a little under powered. Is the MRC 6200 a good one? Any problem with running it is Mode 1 G scale which goes to 18.5 VDC 35VA? (Can it burn-out AF engines?) Any other recommendations? Any with dual output & controls? Priced under $150 is preferred. Al Baker Portland, OR

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41997	From: John Foley	Date: 10/27/2006
Subject: 07 NMRA Convention

Hi Folks If anyone on this list is planning on attending the NMRA 07 http://www.nmra.org/2007/ convention at Detroit this July and would like to do a S Clinic contact John Young Great Lakes Express Clinics Chair 517 521 3667 cdjhyoung@... or Doug Auberg National Convention Clinics Chair 7215 NE 61st Ave. Vancouver, WA. 98662 360 694 7769 nmraclinics@... Please let me know if interested. John Foley [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41998	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 10/27/2006
Subject: Re: York

R Ahrens: Give me your address. I have many blank applications that are signed by Paul Olekson and myself. Just fill out the rest, send the check, and you are in. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: r_ahrens99 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 27, 2006 2:20 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re:York --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Chris" <busyboy@...> wrote: > > R Ahrens wrote: > > >>> I wanted to attend, but I have NO CLUE how I will get two members > to nominate me for membership. . . . Since I live 6 miles > from York, I'm asking for suggestions any of you have as to how to > start meeting those who could help us out. <<< > > To go to York, you only need one member to sponsor you as a guest. > You are allowed to attend only one meet this way. Once inside, you > will find many list members and others with whom you do business who > may sponsor you into TCA. That's how I got in. My friend Dennis > Livesey took me to the show and got Ron Hollander, of all people, to > co-sign my application. > > To get that guest entry, may I suggest the owner of the train shop in > York, across from the Yorktowne Hotel. He is a member and had a table > at this last meet. He also maintains a fair amount of S gauge in the > shop (including a pretty minty Flyer Circus Set with original loads.) > If you become a customer, he may be inclined to get you in as a guest. > > Good luck, > Chris Zizzo > I just want to say to everyone who gave me suggestions either on or off list Thank you so very much! I was amazed at the response! If only I had asked before York instead of waiting. Now I'll have to wait until Spring. I guess I won't be much of a collector either because I like to see the wheels go round too! Thanks again everyone! What a great group! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 41999	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 10/27/2006
Subject: Re: DC Power Pack recommendation?

----- Original Message ----- From: Al Baker I am looking for a recommendation for a reasonably good DC Power Pack to be used with my American Flyers. I have some stock AF DC engines, some with can motors, and several have standard AC motors with converted bridge rectifier circuit. . . . . . . . . . > > > > > > > > For the locos that still have the AF motors with a bridge rectifier for DC with direction control, you will need more amperage capacity than for those with the can motors. For the former, you might just add a bridge rectifier and a DPDT switch to an AF transformer. But that will have a low end starting voltage higher than optimal and may cause those with can motors to start up at 45 Scale MPH The can motor locos ought to run on a good nominally "HO" powerpack. < < < < < < < < Is the MRC 6200 a good one? Any problem with running it is Mode 1 G scale which goes to 18.5 VDC 35VA? > > > > > > > > I wouldn't put over 15 VDC to any S gauge loco. Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42000	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 10/28/2006
Subject: Re;DC Power Pack Recomendation?

I'm an S gauge "operator" and I use an MRC 6200 in the HO mode (Mode Two, 14 volt, 27amp) which works just fine for my fleet of DC can motored Flyer steam engines. I also use a Bachmann Spectrum HO set pack which works, but seems a bit down on power. (The B'mann pack works fine for my Putt locos however.) I, too, am looking for a power pack with more power than the B'mann, but less expensive than the MRC 6200. Stumpy Stone...confirmed DC can motor Operator in Martins Ferry, OH.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42001	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 10/28/2006
Subject: Re: Lionel S Gauge UP Heavyweights

Wow! that is the word to say about the new Lionel Heavyweights, I received the 2 pack set this morning, overall the appearance is fantastic, the weight is there and the detail is the best, couple up with the Gray UP Elephant Ear F E F Northern and you have one fine set, awaiting the 4 car set and can't wait to see the Chicago and Alton set. Jerry Matsick Jax S Ville

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42002	From: on30rick	Date: 10/28/2006
Subject: for sale item

American Flyer 20505 train set from 1958 or 1959. Includes 21156 0 6 0 loco 24627,24409,24219,24321,trans.and track with set box.Books out at aprox. $1750.00 in excelent condition except 24219 WM hopper. Firstk $1395.00 takes it, includes shipping to lower 48. Thanks Rick Anderson rick@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42003	From: paflyrman	Date: 10/28/2006
Subject: Re: Lionel S Gauge Heavyweights

Did Lionel paint the trucks grey, or did they leave them silver (unpainted), as they were shown at york? paflyrman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42004	From: Phil K	Date: 10/28/2006
Subject: Seven tables available for Fall S Fest in Chicago next weekend

A last-minute cancellation has opened up 7 tables in the Trading Room for next weekend's (Nov. 3-5) Fall S Fest at the Tinley Park Convention Center, I-80 and Harlem Ave. There will be over 25,000 square-feet of exhibit/dealer space and layouts. It is the largest annual gathering of S gauge and 1:64 afficionados in the world, encompassing all of S -- Scale, Standard Gauge, Hi-Rail, Tinplate, American Flyer, and of course, S for the "Narrow-Minded." One table: $10; two tables: $25; more: call. For info call Will Holt at 630.969.1982.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42005	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 10/28/2006
Subject: Wanted:Billboard Reefer

I'm looking for an "Old Dutch Cleanser" wood billboard reefer. This car was made by S Helper Service for Scenery Unlimited a few years back I understand. Neither outfit lists them any longer. If any of y'all have one you'd part with, please let me know. Stumpy Stone...collecting reefer madness in Appalachia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42006	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 10/28/2006
Subject: WRAPPING

Simple question...... how were the 630's and other cars packed in their boxes........ I just aquired about 15 and most are in boxes.....wrapped in a tan paper with packing slips and coupler protectors on some..... i have some shells like the c&o and Baldwin.... they are wrapped in the same material but has paper tape to seal them..... ends only torn open....... Home made or Factory???? Bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42007	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 10/28/2006
Subject: # 800 Northern again

How many of you have installed the 9 volt battery in the tender? I took the tender shell off today and installed a brand new battery. The circuit board started to smoke and battery got very hot. Checked everything, nothing shorting anywhere that I could see. Really bad smoke order. The sound system will not work with the battery installed and the power to the track turn on. Sound still works powered by transformer, but not a low speeds. Better checks yours if you have not done so. Harwood [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42008	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 10/28/2006
Subject: New Heavyweights and New Pacific

They are here! After decades we finally have the new heavyweights and a new Pacific! For my brief pictorial review follow the link: http://www.tuveson.com/pacific-heavyweights/pacific-heavyweights.htm Carl

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42009	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 10/28/2006
Subject: # 800 Northern again

That was smoke odor, not order. Harwood [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42010	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 10/28/2006
Subject: Re: WRAPPING

Bob, cars that came in blue & yellow boxes were wrapped in brown paper with coupler protectors, never seen any with tape though. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42011	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 10/28/2006
Subject: Re: WRAPPING

The paper is tan.... loght brownish???? Not really Brown as I thimk of brown....The shells are replacement shells from the factory..... I also have several 24566 T/T units with all cars, still wrapped in the same stuff.... my 792? talking station has the same paper in it and appears never to have been unfolded...... have several accessories also like this..... even the 21910 freight engine set is in a factory shipping box.... same paper stuffed in to fill hole beside the boxes with the 3 locos and the short whistle control box..... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: HOwingsiii@... To: rcon7@... ; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2006 6:58 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] WRAPPING Bob, cars that came in blue & yellow boxes were wrapped in brown paper with coupler protectors, never seen any with tape though. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42012	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 10/29/2006
Subject: Re: YORK

Haven't had "Dunkin" for five years. Maple as good as our "Dutchway's" here. Work nights are currently as the spirit moves us, but can let you know when we do schedule one. About an hour east of York on Rt 30. ALSO, TCA Keystone Div Train Meet on Saturday at St Philip's in Millersville. Open to TCA at 9 AM, public at 10 AM. $ 5 admission for public adult/family. Most of my crew will be there assisting in some way. Our little PVMR travelling "S" layout will be there also. HOW do I get to St Philip's you query??? East on Rt 30 to Millersville Exit, PA Rt 741. Exit to 741, turn RIGHT, follow to PA 999. ROUND Church on LEFT just before intersection, Mennonite cemetary on right. There is an entrance on the left also, or you can turn left onto 999 and then enter church from the front. Parking in the rear, doors lead to lower level where we will be. Jim "buildin' on the Keystone Main" Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42014	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 10/29/2006
Subject: Re: WRAPPING

Bob, that sounds correct. My mint 1950 SF passenger set came with very light tan paper placed on top of the set and stuffed into spaces between the boxes. It was that way when it was opened. Harwood [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42015	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 10/29/2006
Subject: Re: WRAPPING PAPER

Hi Guys & Barb(Etal), Will reg. tissue paper work to wrap like new engines & cars in to keep the boxes from rubbing & scratching the finish? I've tried looking for acid free tissue paper to no avail, Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42016	From: Dave Campbell	Date: 10/29/2006
Subject: AM Canadian National FP-7

I'm looking for a Canadian National FP-7 A unit from American Models. Anybody know where I can get one? (preferably AC high rail)?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42017	From: pbscoles	Date: 10/29/2006
Subject: New scenery DVD

Hi folks, After months of work I've finally completed my new 2 hour DVD, titled "Advanced Techniques For Realistic Scenery". This DVD is ideal for all skill levels, and is sure to improve your scenery making ability dramatically. You can check it out at my website - www.paulscoles.com Thanks for your support... Paul Scoles

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42018	From: G C	Date: 10/29/2006
Subject: S Scale and Around Wall Layouts

The announcement of Pauls new video reminded me of a question I have had for some time. If one builds an around the wall S scale layout with a max depth of 30 inches, what sort of proportion should structures and other details on a backdrop have in relation to that depth? In short how large or small should they appear to yield a believable visual feeling of depth. How does the scale we work in effect things? Obviously, very small components of the backdrop will depending on placement appear more distant, but if you are blending three dimensional structures in front of the backdrop, you would perhaps not want the two dimensional stuff to be too small. Also, what effect does the height of the layout contribute to the way things appear? Thanks, Gene Cimino --------------------------------- Want to start your own business? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42019	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 10/29/2006
Subject: Saturday with another TCA member

Yesterday, my wife, Linda and I, went to the Maryland, Florida State Football game at MD with Joe Haenn and his wife Lynn, a TCA member who live in NC, as we live in MD. Joe is on the S list that I am on, to those on the TCA list, and through emails and seeing each other at York, we have become pretty good friends, I feel, as Joe's wife went to FSU and me, MD, of course. Joe went to East Stroudsburg in PA for his first degree, but loves Duke. So, that is the connection we have, the ACC. This friendship and going with Joe and Lynn to this game would of never happen, if not for the Yahoo Discussion list, as I, and I sure many of you have made many friendships, due to the list. So that is a good thing about these list, as I have had several to my house, Rance Velapoldi of Norway, who used to live a few miles from me! and Jerry Dobbs, wife Thelma and another TCA couple. Had nice times with them, as we bike riding with Jerry. And I have developed a nice friendship with Jerry Matsick, as we email and call on the phone allot. Also with Gordon Wilson, as we share a passion for baseball. And how can I forget Joseph Lechner, as music and getting him hooked on Zippy comics! I wish I had a college professor like Joseph! Joe is always in the Orange Hall at York, selling AF parts. But since I could not get the tickets, through the University of MD, since MD wanted you to buy tickets also, to the FL International Game, to drum up attendance, Joe had to try to get 4 tickets through the FSU Alumni Association of DC, as two years ago, I was made a member of the brotherhood of the FSU Alumni Association. Long story someday. Neither of us, could attend the FL I game, since we where to be away and Joe lives in NC. Joe was able to get the tickets, as I used unused K-Line S track as part of the payment! So, I had to sit in the FSU section! LOL It was fine, as everyone was very nice to us, as they had great food before the game. Sorry, no Maple Donuts of PA! But I did try to recruit a new member to the TCA! We all went into the new MD Basketball Arena, Comcast Center and what a great place. Not a bad seat in the house, as I remember going to MD games in the 1970's and taking exams at Cole Field House. While we were inside, the MD Basketball team was having a scrimmage. I told Joe. "Hey, we could get Gary Williams in the TCA, as we could both sign the application!" And those Application are on line at www.tca.org! No, I think Gary might be a bit busy for the next 20 years or so. Hey, have about Bobby Bowden and Ralph Friedgen then! LOL Anyway, the point of this email, as I believe, overall, it is train related, since Joe and I both belong to the TCA, both belong to the same S list and we got to learn about another interest we share, other than AF trains. We had a great time with Joe and Lynn, as we sat way up high in the stands, as temps in the 40's, winds 20 - 30 MPH, wind chill, 33! MD had a wonderful first half and at halftime, half the stadium empty out, including Joe, Lynn and us! FSU came on strong in the 2nd half, but MD held on to win. We hope to do this again with them, either in MD or down in NC, for a minor league game or maybe a ACC football game. Or maybe a Duke Basketball game. Right. No such luck getting to one of those games. But then, we could recruit Coach K and be a bud of his! LOL Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42020	From: Rick Evans	Date: 10/29/2006
Subject: Polar Bears

Many of you have seen photos of my Christmas layouts and know I have a few Polar Bears. Link: http://s-scale.org/albums/v/friends/bassflyer/bassflyer/bassflyer/Christmas_layout_bears.jpg.html I found bought some Lemax Polar Bears today, I couldn't resist! http://s-scale.org/albums/v/friends/bassflyer/STUFF/Lemax+Polar+Bears.JPG.html Rick "I didn't do a Fall layout" Evans. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42021	From: Trains	Date: 10/30/2006
Subject: Re: S Scale and Around Wall Layouts

I use z scale +- for painted or glued on far back ground, N scale for backdrop and immediately next to backdrop and HO for releief background structures 2-6" deep +-. I also make structures and details smaller for height 1' above HO, 2' above N and so on.... Dr. K. loeb (Peter) ----- Original Message ----- From: "G C" <ecphora123@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2006 2:42 PM Subject: [S-Trains] S Scale and Around Wall Layouts > The announcement of Pauls new video reminded me of a question I have had for some time. If one builds an around the wall S scale layout with a max depth of 30 inches, what sort of proportion should structures and other details on a backdrop have in relation to that depth? In short how large or small should they appear to yield a believable visual feeling of depth. How does the scale we work in effect things? > > Obviously, very small components of the backdrop will depending on placement appear more distant, but if you are blending three dimensional structures in front of the backdrop, you would perhaps not want the two dimensional stuff to be too small. Also, what effect does the height of the layout contribute to the way things appear? > > Thanks, Gene Cimino > > > --------------------------------- > Want to start your own business? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42022	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 10/30/2006
Subject: info wanted -- License Plate

I'm forwarding this on behalf of Chuck Porter, who isn't on this list. Anybody know who it is? -- tom Hawley ----- Original Message ----- From: C & P Porter To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 8:34 PM Subject: {S-Scale List} info wanted At the '06 NASG convention I took a slide of the Massachusetts license plate "S Gauge". If it isn't a deep, dark secret I'd like to know who that was. Chuck Porter-WI plate NWDS HI(awatha). [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42023	From: muniman18	Date: 10/30/2006
Subject: CHAMPION 800 ALL ABOARD

TO All,,I'm goimg to put this set up on Ebay for sale in abt 3days I wanted to show you people first.We are moving and I don't want to cart is around. This is mint I only tookit out to check and see if it was all there,it is.It has never been run or for that matter out of the box.All the part's houses,signs etc are pristine. If you can care abt this please contact me Mike

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42024	From: Trains	Date: 10/30/2006
Subject: Re: S Gauge Herald issues for sale, trade, purchase

Hello everyone! I would like to find the following S Gauge Herald issues/volumes: All of 1963, 1964, 1965; all of 1971, 1972, 1973, 1974 I would prefer that they are complete sets of years and be from a smoke free environment, in good to excelent condition...no missing pages, stains, holes or torn pages. Slight yellowing around edges ok. I have the following for trade or sale: 1966 Vol 7, no.3, in excellent condition no label affixed, with inserts that came with magazine. $6. 1966 Vol 7, no.3, slight yellowing around edges, small light stains on bottom of cover, first page with several 2-3" stains otherwise in good condition no label affixed, with inserts that came with magazine. $4. 1968 Vol 9, no.1, slight yellowing around edges, small stains on top RH of cover edge (1/2"), otherwise in very good condition no label affixed. $5. 1969 Vol 10, no.1, slight yellowing around edges, otherwise in great condition no label affixed. $5. 1970 Vol 11, complete year, no.1 thru 6, slight yellowing around edges otherwise in great condition no label affixed, with inserts that came with magazine. $30. 1970 Vol 11, no.1, slight yellowing around edges,sm. stain (1") on back cover otherwise in great condition no label affixed, with inserts that came with magazine. $5. 1970 Vol 11, no.2, slight yellowing around edges otherwise in great condition no label affixed, with inserts that came with magazine. $5. 1974 Vol 15, no.3, very slight yellowing around edges, no label affixed, excellent condition. $6. 1975 Vol 16, complete year, no.1 thru 6, slight yellowing around edges otherwise in great condition, label affixed, with any inserts that came with magazine. $30. 1975 Vol 16, no.1, yellowing around edges, small pen writing on bottom page three(1/2"), and writing on top of back cover (4") otherwise in very good condition, label affixed. $4. 1975 Vol 16, no.2, very slight yellowing around edges, tiny stains on cover, otherwise in very good condition, label affixed. $5. 1976 Vol 17, no.3, very slight yellowing around edges, label affixed, excellent condition. $6. 1976 Vol 17, no.4, no yellowing around edges, label affixed, excellent condition. $6. 1976 Vol 17, no.5, very slight yellowing around edges, label affixed, excellent condition. $6. 1977 Vol 18, complete year, no.1 thru 6, very slight yellowing around edges, label affixed, excellent condition. $30. Please note that all these magazines have been read and used by previous owners and exhibit some minor wear on edges from handling. I believe my descriptions of condition are accurate and fair. There is no return of mags and no guarantee of any kind. These are wonderfull magazines and, in my opinoin, are an essential part of S gauge history and survival and never get old. Shipping is by media mail / priority mail and will depend on amount purchased....for reference one mag $5. full year sent by Priority mail fixed rate at $8.50. Every effort will be made to make shipping as reasonable as possible, considering weight of magazines. Contact me on list or rr4u@... Thanks, Dr. K. Loeb (Peter) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42025	From: Bill Clark	Date: 10/30/2006
Subject: Re: info wanted -- License Plate

Pretty sure that's Doug Peck At 10:35 PM 10/29/2006 -0500, Tom Hawley wrote: >I'm forwarding this on behalf of Chuck Porter, who isn't on this list. >Anybody know who it is? -- tom Hawley >----- Original Message ----- >From: C & P Porter >To: <mailto:S-Scale%40yahoogroups.com>S-Scale@yahoogroups.com >Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 8:34 PM >Subject: {S-Scale List} info wanted > >At the '06 NASG convention I took a slide of the Massachusetts license >plate "S Gauge". If it isn't a deep, dark secret I'd like to know who that >was. > >Chuck Porter-WI plate NWDS HI(awatha). > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > ---------- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42026	From: screamingbabyairlines	Date: 10/30/2006
Subject: New Guy

Hi, just joined the group. Would like to here from other people who will be building a layout in the near furture. Just left the Air Force (Air National Guard) after 22 years of service, and want to start building my dream layout. I will still be flying for the airlines, can't get flying out of my system. Would like to here from people from all over the great USA about their layouts, or ideas about building layouts. Just moved back to the family home with my wife and kids, and there is a 15 X 20 space just begging to have a layout and a place to kick back with a few recliners. Hope to make some new friend! Will

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42027	From: Trains	Date: 10/30/2006
Subject: Fw: {S-Scale List} Re: S Gauge Herald issues for sale, trade, purch

----- Original Message ----- From: "Trains" <rr4u@...> To: <S-Scale@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2006 11:09 PM Subject: S Gauge Herald issues for sale, trade, purchase > Hello everyone! > > I would like to find the following S Gauge Herald issues/volumes: > All of 1963, 1964, 1965; all of 1971, 1972, 1973, 1974 I would prefer that they are complete sets of years and be from a smoke free environment, in good to excelent condition...no missing pages, stains, holes or torn pages. Slight yellowing around edges ok. > > I have the following for trade or sale: > 1966 Vol 7, no.3, in excellent condition no label affixed, with inserts that came with magazine. $6. > 1966 Vol 7, no.3, slight yellowing around edges, small light stains on bottom of cover, first page with several 2-3" stains otherwise in good condition no label affixed, with inserts that came with magazine. $4. > 1968 Vol 9, no.1, slight yellowing around edges, small stains on top RH of cover edge (1/2"), otherwise in very good condition no label affixed. $5. > 1969 Vol 10, no.1, slight yellowing around edges, otherwise in great condition no label affixed. $5. > 1970 Vol 11, complete year, no.1 thru 6, slight yellowing around edges otherwise in great condition no label affixed, with inserts that came with magazine. $30. > 1970 Vol 11, no.1, slight yellowing around edges,sm. stain (1") on back cover otherwise in great condition no label affixed, with inserts that came with magazine. $5. > 1970 Vol 11, no.2, slight yellowing around edges otherwise in great condition no label affixed, with inserts that came with magazine. $5. > 1974 Vol 15, no.3, very slight yellowing around edges, no label affixed, excellent condition. $6. > 1975 Vol 16, complete year, no.1 thru 6, slight yellowing around edges otherwise in great condition, label affixed, with any inserts that came with magazine. $30. > 1975 Vol 16, no.1, yellowing around edges, small pen writing on bottom page three(1/2"), and writing on top of back cover (4") otherwise in very good condition, label affixed. $4. > 1975 Vol 16, no.2, very slight yellowing around edges, tiny stains on cover, otherwise in very good condition, label affixed. $5. > 1976 Vol 17, no.3, very slight yellowing around edges, label affixed, excellent condition. $6. > 1976 Vol 17, no.4, no yellowing around edges, label affixed, excellent condition. $6. > 1976 Vol 17, no.5, very slight yellowing around edges, label affixed, excellent condition. $6. > 1977 Vol 18, complete year, no.1 thru 6, very slight yellowing around edges, label affixed, excellent condition. $30. > > Please note that all these magazines have been read and used by previous owners and exhibit some minor wear on edges from handling. I believe my descriptions of condition are accurate and fair. There is no return of mags and no guarantee of any kind. These are wonderfull magazines and, in my opinoin, are an essential part of S gauge history and survival and never get old. > > Shipping is by media mail / priority mail and will depend on amount purchased....for reference one mag $5. full year sent by Priority mail fixed rate at $8.50. Every effort will be made to make shipping as reasonable as possible, considering weight of magazines. > > Contact me on list or rr4u@... > > Thanks, Dr. K. Loeb (Peter) > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42028	From: G C	Date: 10/30/2006
Subject: Re: S Scale and Around Wall Layouts

Peter, you wrote: I also make structures and details smaller for height 1' above HO, 2' above N and so on.... Please explain, Gene --------------------------------- Cheap Talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42029	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 10/30/2006
Subject: Breaking News!

In a private email to someone about track, I just learn that the word "rerailers" is not in spell-check! I thought you all might like to know that fact, so you will not lose any sleep tonight. Thank you, Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42030	From: Trains	Date: 10/30/2006
Subject: Re: S Scale and Around Wall Layouts

Basicly, forced perspective can be helped by using progressively smaller scales for buildings, scenery, people vehicles etc. in a horizontal direction (from front to back) and in a vertical direction (bottom to top). Example: some front edge layout detail items might be "O" scale and then S. The middle ground 1' -2' back HO; 3' back or backdrop at aprox N scale and items painted or aplied to backdrop at Z scale. The same concept can be applied vertically some mix of apropriate O and S scale up to about 1 foot height anything above to aprox 2 foot height would be HO, above that N and maybe on mountain tops Z. This is a guide to help in creating an illusion of depth and perspective, and obviously needs to be used in a thoughtful manner and as a trick to create visual clues to create a sense of perspective. An example might be trees or telephone poles: O scale in front of track along front edges of layout, then S, going up a hill or mountain an HO scale tree or telephone pole and then further back and/or up N scale pole or trees and maybe a painted Z scale representation. Hope this is helpful to you and others Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: G C To: Trains ; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 6:04 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] S Scale and Around Wall Layouts Peter, you wrote: I also make structures and details smaller for height 1' above HO, 2' above N and so on.... Please explain, Gene ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Cheap Talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42031	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 10/30/2006
Subject: CHEAP SHIPPING

CHECK OUT THIS JUNK ITEM..... ENTER MY ZIP 32223... WHAT A RIP OFF....... http://cgi.ebay.com/PARTIALLY-BUILT-BALSA-WOOD-BATTLE-SHIP-WW-II-ERA-HULL_W0QQitemZ220043812145QQihZ012QQcategoryZ4248QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem OR TRY YOURS..... WOW.... BOB [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42032	From: Keith Blanchard	Date: 10/30/2006
Subject: Re: New Guy

Hi Will, Welcome aboard! You will find this to be a great group. You came to the right place to learn about S-scale layout building. The archives are full of great reading. Also, congratulations on your 22 years of service with the Air National Guard. We all owe you big time, for keeping our country safe so we can build our layouts. Happy Railroading, Keith Blanchard --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "screamingbabyairlines" <screamingbabyairlines@...> wrote: > > Hi, just joined the group. Would like to here from other people who > will be building a layout in the near furture. Just left the Air > Force (Air National Guard) after 22 years of service, and want to > start building my dream layout. > > I will still be flying for the airlines, can't get flying out of my > system. snip...snip >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42033	From: A. E. Johnson	Date: 10/30/2006
Subject: Re: CHEAP SHIPPING

Correct me if I am wrong, This is a partial model in Balsa wood of the USS MISSOURI. As a kid in about 1950 I built one of these, and an aircraft carrier, etc. I don't remember who made the kit. BIGFOOT ----- Original Message ----- From: "ROBERT ALLEN CONNER" <rcon7@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 6:03 PM Subject: [S-Trains] CHEAP SHIPPING > CHECK OUT THIS JUNK ITEM..... ENTER MY ZIP 32223... > WHAT A RIP OFF....... > > http://cgi.ebay.com/PARTIALLY-BUILT-BALSA-WOOD-BATTLE-SHIP-WW-II-ERA-HULL_W0QQitemZ220043812145QQihZ012QQcategoryZ4248QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > OR TRY YOURS..... WOW.... BOB > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42034	From: NASG Library	Date: 10/30/2006
Subject: Mobley Library offline for a while

The NASG's Russell M. Mobley Memorial Library will be closed from November 1st through November 18th, 2006. Dick Karnes, Librarian Russell M. Mobley Memorial Library NASG Inc. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42035	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 10/30/2006
Subject: Re: AM Canadian National FP-7

----- Original Message ----- From: Dave Campbell I'm looking for a Canadian National FP-7 A unit from American Models. Anybody know where I can get one? (preferably AC high rail)? > > > > > > > ---------Response---------- We recently found another one in Dave W's basement. As soon as I get a drive unit for it, high-rail AC (& I presume you want the AC reverse-wired), it will be yours. For the information of the rest of you, some years ago I took a number of AM FP7 shells to a custom painter and had him paint them for CN. He used CDS passenger car transfers. The CN did not have FP7s, but did have FP9s, and there isn't a great deal of difference. We made no effort to get details correct for the CN, it's just a CN paint job on the standard AM shell. I wonder if another batch would sell. Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42036	From: SnSTrains@aol.com	Date: 10/30/2006
Subject: SnS Trains grand opening of new shop/store

We have finally finished our new shop after almost a year of construction. In addition to the repairs and modifications we do there, we will have a small store selling S-gauge locomotives, rolling stock, and American Flyer parts. We have a rather good stock of many NOS Gilbert parts. Barb Rudnicki has graciously posted photos of our new shop for us. They are photos of the interior in various stages of construction. They're located at: _http://s-scale.org/albums/v/friends/boss31/SNS+Workshop_ (http://s-scale.org/albums/v/friends/boss31/SNS+Workshop) Regards to all, Steve S-'n-S Trains American Flyer replacement can motors S-Gauge Videos American Flyer repair S and O gauge track cleaners 3239 Pepperwood Dr. Boise, Idaho 83704 208-376-1159 SnStrains@... www.s-scaletrains.com/s-n-s/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42037	From: WEG138@aol.com	Date: 10/31/2006
Subject: Re: Thanks for the help

Recently I have received help from the group in three areas, scenery, ooze from the plastic, and converting link to knuckle couplers. I just want to say thank you ! Bill Greaves [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42038	From: louis glumac	Date: 10/31/2006
Subject: FOR SALE

HI, American flyer 771 stock yard in the box $25 station platform= $30 in good shape, some with paint on =$25, baggage man on cart +$30, email me at lglumac@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42039	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 10/31/2006
Subject: Re: CHEAP SHIPPING

TRUE..... BUT SJIPPING AND HANDELING TO ME WOULD BE ( HIDDEN ) 52.00...THATS WHY I SAID CHECK ON SHIPPING..... THIS I WOULD SHIP AT +- 15.00 AND MAKE OUT WELL...... BOB ----- Original Message ----- From: A. E. Johnson To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 10:41 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] CHEAP SHIPPING Correct me if I am wrong, This is a partial model in Balsa wood of the USS MISSOURI. As a kid in about 1950 I built one of these, and an aircraft carrier, etc. I don't remember who made the kit. BIGFOOT ----- Original Message ----- From: "ROBERT ALLEN CONNER" <rcon7@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 6:03 PM Subject: [S-Trains] CHEAP SHIPPING > CHECK OUT THIS JUNK ITEM..... ENTER MY ZIP 32223... > WHAT A RIP OFF....... > > http://cgi.ebay.com/PARTIALLY-BUILT-BALSA-WOOD-BATTLE-SHIP-WW-II-ERA-HULL_W0QQitemZ220043812145QQihZ012QQcategoryZ4248QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > OR TRY YOURS..... WOW.... BOB > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42040	From: George Cohn	Date: 10/31/2006
Subject: Re: CHEAP SHIPPING

ROBERT ALLEN CONNER wrote: > > > TRUE..... BUT SHIPPING AND HANDELING TO ME WOULD BE ( HIDDEN ) > 52.00...THATS WHY I SAID CHECK ON SHIPPING..... THIS I WOULD SHIP AT +- > 15.00 AND MAKE OUT WELL...... BOB > Yes but you have to understand the logic. eBay charges a commission on every listing and on every sale. If you start the listing low, say 99 cents, the initial commission is very low. If you sell it at $10, the commission is reasonable. But they can't charge a commission on shipping and handling. So you know the item is worth $30 and you sell it at $10 with $50 shipping, you only get dinged for the 99 cent listing and the $10 sale. The rest beyond actual shipping is pure non-commission profit. Is it fair or legal? No, but I've given up selling on eBay because I can't make a reasonable profit if I play the game by their rules. I used to sell an item that was $55 wholesale that would usually bid to about $79. eBay took their chunk and I ended up with less than $10 profit. Hardly worth the effort as most retailers will agree. I always check shipping now before I even consider bidding on anything. George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42041	From: Mark Preman	Date: 10/31/2006
Subject: American Flyer Trains, Accessories, Catalogs, etc. For Sale

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 42042	From: Roger Delthony	Date: 10/31/2006
Subject: Re: Syracuse, NY Train Show This Weekend

A week or so ago someone posted a note that their club would be at the train show at the NYS Fairgrounds in Syracuse this Saturday and Sunday. I wanted to add a note that I will also be at the show with my figure 8 'hit or miss' layout running my circus train with Flyer Circus and other home made circus equipment. It also includes the Flyer Circus big top and other circus items. I will be in the Circus Model Builders part of the layouts in what I think is the main building. I'll be there all day Saturday and later in the afternoon Sunday. If you're at the show, stop by and say hello. Roger Delthony

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42043	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 11/1/2006
Subject: Train Shows in the southeast This Weekend

Wow, this Saturday and Sunday, November 4 & 5, is a busy weekend for train shows. The Atlantic Coast S Gaugers will be running at two of these shows. The Georgia Division will be operating a 21 by 28 foot layout with T modules and center yard section at the Great Train Expo at the North Atlanta Trace Center in Norcross, GA. The Carolinas Division will be operating a 27 by 31 foot layout with T modules and a center yard section at the Neuse River Valley Model Railroad Show in the new Exposition Building at the NC State Fairgrounds in Raleigh, NC. Come and join us for a weekend of trains. Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613*9 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock; More than 1,300 part lines American Models ##### S-Helper Service ###### K-Line S Gauge joestrainrepair@... Master Card/Visa

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42044	From: Chris	Date: 11/1/2006
Subject: Royal Blue on E-Bay

Hi Everyone: Help me to understand this one, please. I have been following one of these Rick Dunn auctions on e-Bay and it just settled. Here is a link so you can go see it yourself. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=020&sspagename=STRK% 3AMEWA%3AIT&viewitem=&item=300041852427&rd=1&rd=1 Anyway, here is a perfectly nice and complete Royal Blue set in really peachy condition and it has all the boxes. That's got to bring a little premium, for condition and boxes. But the items are all common as dirt. 350 RB engine. I've got three. I only bought one intentionally. The others came in lots with other stuff I wanted. The cars are a 633R B&O box (1948 issue and I've had one of mine since 1949), a 631 T&P gondola, I must have 10 of those in various condition, and a bonus 625 Shell silver tanker. I do only have one of those, and it was a recent acquisition. Other parts are a transformer, a lock-on, uncoupler and button, and instruction book. I'm thinking that $260 to $350 is top dollar for these trains. The cars are $30 to $40 each. The caboose is $20-$30. The engine sells for $150 to $200. Add in $50 more for the accessory items and you top out at $400. I'm being generous here. I wouldn't even buy these items. Their great cachet must lie in the provenance of it all being together in the original packaging, a complete train set since 1948. Of course, it doesn't have to be. It could have been assembled from parts, though the hardest item to come by would have been the set box. How much more do you want to spend for a cardboard box? My point is that someone plunked down $600 to own this item, plus $30 shipping, and I can't understand why. I have a tough enough time with scarcer and more desirable items going for big bucks because, to me, they are all mass produced plastic toys. But at least with a mint MoPac passenger set, there is no other place to turn for the pieces. Gilbert stamped out those common freight cars by the skidload. That many of them sell for 40 bucks is bizarre enough, but to pay $600 for a few of them just because they come with cardboard packaging? You still end up with Gilbert's most commonly produced cars. This set has no Penn Salt tanker or Baker's chocolate car. I see a bubble. Everytime some clown pays out like this, the bubble gets bigger and more swollen, and more tenuous. The sharp pin lies just around the corner. A nasty viral epidemic could do it. All that is needed is for a bunch of big collections to appear in the market at once, through happenstance or death, and the bubble could burst, changing the face of this hobby and the value of these trains for all time. I know I'm sounding like a bit of a Cassandra here, but I think that we are not in an open commodities market, where everything evens out after awhile. Each purchase is watched by all, and trades need to be executed responsibly, lest we unbalance the market. You can't pay double for something just so you can beat others to it, because, in this small world, the last sale amount becomes the next asking price. When a ceiling is eventually reached, sellers will never recognize their own greed as the cause for a market slowdown. Instead they will point to the buyers and say, "they don't want this stuff anymore". When that starts, manufacturers will hesitate to move ahead with projects. Don't forget that very recently we heard variations on "S- gauge is such a small market segment, it doesn't justify the tooling expense." That's something we rush to forget as Lionel cranks out new steamers and heavyweights and SHS and AM offer all those new engines. Dealers near me had a blow out sale on SHS and now he doesn't want to carry it anymore. "Nobody buys S-gauge" he says. Well, he sold it, didn't he? Once he lowered the prices, someone wanted it, even though it was a huge collection of early PS-2 two bays in the dullest paint jobs. No, he's not taking any responsibility here. Its all on the buyers. The steamroller effect of seller negativity will be dangerous for us all. And, if you don't think that it has crossed my mind to assemble a Royal Blue set out of my own stock and raise a pocketful of cash, then you will have missed the essence of human nature. But once it all starts to sell, the prices will drop. And then, the party is over. Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42045	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 11/1/2006
Subject: Re: Royal Blue on E-Bay

In a message dated 11/01/2006 8:04:55 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, busyboy@... writes: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=020&sspagename=STRK% 3AMEWA%3AIT&viewitem=&item=300041852427&rd=1&rd=1 Chris I too have watched his auctions. He gets a pretty good price for most of his items. He does have nice stuff & is a trusted seller. But wait & see there will be a few more listed now. I've been waiting to list mine. There have been some that bring 350+ Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42046	From: len_hall	Date: 11/1/2006
Subject: Train Show This Weekend

Wasatch Rails is holding its annual train show this Friday, Saturday and Sunday at the Fairgrounds in Salt Lake City. All gauges will be represented by both vendors and operators. The Hostlers train club will be there as usual with their large HO display. However, and most importantly, the Golden Spke American Flyer train club will be there with an equally large 20' x 24' track operating a multitude of trains and accessories troughout the weekend, including the lastest and greatest engines and cars by Lionel, Americn Models and S Helper Service. Anyone who happens to be in the area with an interest in trains, particularly S gauge, should come out and take a look and enjoy some of the fun everyone will be having at the show. Len Hall

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42047	From: Phil K	Date: 11/1/2006
Subject: Fall S Fest this weekend

To celebrate "100 Years of American Flyer Trains" the Chicagoland Association of S Gaugers will host the 31st "Fall S Fest Train Show" Friday, Nov. 3 from 4 p.m. to 9 p.m. and Saturday, Nov. 4 from 9 a.m. to 3 p.m. at the Tinley Park Convention Center at 18501 S. Harlem Avenue (just north of I-80). Free admission to the public displays, which will include over 5,000 square-feet of operating model train layouts, including a layout youngsters may operate. There also will be free outdoor train rides (Friday only) on Canadian National Railway's "Operation Lifesaver" train. There will be a 17,000 square-foot Trading Room to view and purchase modern and vintage American Flyer trains, as well as trains made by other manufacturers, collectibles, accessories, buildings and anything even remotely related to the hobby. One-day admission to the Trading Room for an entire family is $7.50. The event is coordinated to celebrate the founding in Chicago of the American Flyer Toy Co. in 1907. The company's factory and administrative offices were located at 2219-2239 S. Halsted Street, and once employed nearly 1,000 people. The company manufactured O-scale "American Flyer" model trains to rival those of Lionel, as well as other amusements, games, and toys.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42048	From: Phil K	Date: 11/1/2006
Subject: Early news from Fall S Fest -- Rotary Snowplow coming

BTW -- I have no connection with this company other than as a satisfied customer who pays full retail. R. Tom Hodgson of Spring Grove, Ill.-based American Hi-Rail will be showing at Fall S Fest in Chicago this weekend his latest project -- like always, a very limited run -- an S gauge rotary snowplow. "I'm going to test the waters and see if there's enough interest," he said. "Right now I'm considering picking two or three road names - - like Northern Pacific and maybe Great Northern or New Haven and one other." Based on his initial survey, Hodgson said the rotary plow will be self-propelled, although it will look great heading up two or three steam pushers. It will be oil-fired instead of coal. It will have a "pinwheel" design on the front of the plow similar to that on the nosecone of jet engines, to show motion. It will have one four-wheel truck and one six-wheel truck. The circular plow will be powered by a battery to keep its speed constant no matter what the track power is providing to the transportation motor; i.e., it can still rotate if the unit is stationary. The rotary plow will be offered with several options at additional cost: AC with an SHS electronic reverse unit, and smoke. It will be brightly-painted, although an unpainted version will be available in kit form for those who would like to have theirs black, as many prototypes were painted. No word on cost yet. Hodgson will be taking deposits on orders. Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42049	From: afvair	Date: 11/1/2006
Subject: Northern, new UP grey; UP heavyweight cars

Hello AF friends, I am a lurker, I will admit it, but do enjoy your many comments. I have been following comments about the new UP Northern made by Lionel. I have read about the "chug" sound that is apparently not a success, and only sounds like a "whistle". I even heard one in person at our last club meeting. I was however so impressed by the quality of the paint and detail and especially the Railsounds, that I would like to get one . Here is the problem, I have limited 2006 train funds, and don't want to "waste" my money on the engine, if that terrible whistle sound is not going to be fixed. I have three questions for the group: 1. Since the Grey UP Northern came out later, WAS THE CHUG SOUND FIXED? 2. Would it be better to wait a year or so, until a later version comes out with a fixed chug unit? Or will they ever make it again? 3. Are the grey northerns available anymore at all? 4. Are the new heavyweight cars that go with it out for sale yet? What is the review on them? Thanks alot, and please reply with lots of input, i need the confidence to spend this kind of money. Wayne Golden Spike AF club, Utah

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42050	From: Roy Inman	Date: 11/1/2006
Subject: Re: Northern, new UP grey; UP heavyweight cars

Wayne, Can't help with the confidence thing <BG>, but I can tell you that I bought the AM Northern and the chug on it is fine indeed. I bought the LAF greyhound Northern because it had never been produced in S, so far as I know. I haven't even run it yet, so don't know about its chug. I have seen a few greyhounds for sale on the available S gauge chat list. You might try Charles Ro or some of the other S suppliers found on the NASG web site. The three LAF steam engines of recent vintage-Mikado, Northern and greyhound Northern are impressive-looking, that's for sure. The workmanship seems flawless and the two varieties that I have seen run are very solid and will pull more cars than I own. I only have about 45 S cars of various vintages from several manufacturers. The AM Northern of a club member pulled 84 cars at a recent show in Kansas City. From: afvair <afvair@...> Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2006 21:33:31 +0000 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Northern, new UP grey; UP heavyweight cars Hello AF friends, I am a lurker, I will admit it, but do enjoy your many comments. I have been following comments about the new UP Northern made by Lionel. I have read about the "chug" sound that is apparently not a success, and only sounds like a "whistle". I even heard one in person at our last club meeting. I was however so impressed by the quality of the paint and detail and especially the Railsounds, that I would like to get one . Here is the problem, I have limited 2006 train funds, and don't want to "waste" my money on the engine, if that terrible whistle sound is not going to be fixed. I have three questions for the group: 1. Since the Grey UP Northern came out later, WAS THE CHUG SOUND FIXED? 2. Would it be better to wait a year or so, until a later version comes out with a fixed chug unit? Or will they ever make it again? 3. Are the grey northerns available anymore at all? 4. Are the new heavyweight cars that go with it out for sale yet? What is the review on them? Thanks alot, and please reply with lots of input, i need the confidence to spend this kind of money. Wayne Golden Spike AF club, Utah [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42051	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 11/1/2006
Subject: REE: WHAT AM I MISSING HERE?? (E-BAY ITEM)

What am I missing on these pulleys? I have a box full, I think. Unless they are not the ones I have. Mike Item # 320042844630 320042844630 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42052	From: Trains	Date: 11/1/2006
Subject: Medford Armory Train Show weekend after thanksgiving -S gaugers wil

Hello to everyone, Those of you in Northern California, Nevada, Idaho,Washington and of course Oregon who have been complaining about the lack of shows/train meets, well here is a great one: MEDFORD OREGON: ROGUE VALLEY MODEL RAILROAD CLUB TRAIN MEET NOV. 25-26 (WEEKEND AFTER THANKSGIVING) FROM 10am - 5pm SAT, 11am - 4pm SUN ADMISSION $5, SENIORS $4, CHILDREN UNDER 15 FREE W/ADULT TABLES ARE ALREADY SOLD OUT, SOME FLOOR SPACE REMAINS IF YOU WANT TO BRING A DISPLAY/LAYOUT CONTACT: BILL MEYER, PO BOX 8065, MEDFORD,OR 97501, 541-821-5547 ...OR CONTACT ME Take I-5 to exit #27 (South Medford) to Barnett road, head west to Hyw. 99, turn left ( south, towards Ashland) go a couple of blocks, you will see the Medord Armory on LH side of Hyw, turn left where you can...plenty free of parking. PS- RR tracks of the California and Oregon will be on your right. All scales are represented, could even get a modular S gauge layout up and running with help and volunteers. At least six different Dealers with some form of S items and plenty of stuff for kitbashing buildings etc. great prices for the most part. Included with your ticket are door prizes and also raffle tickets for sale. This show is an anual tradition in the Rogue valley. To contact me: Dr. K. Loeb, rr4u@... or 541-471-8819 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42053	From: Ed Eckert	Date: 11/1/2006
Subject: Flyonel northern fix

Don't get down and frustrated with your new Northern's just yet. A solution has been found by one of our GGAFC members. The squeak that nobody likes has been solved. He didn't like what he was hearing at our club meeting Friday night, so he completely disassembled his Northern to see where this funny sound was coming from. He found that it was coming from the smoke unit chugger or as Lionel calls it "Chuffer". His theory was that the sounds were coming from the air passage through the smoke unit and that the baffle needed to be altered. From his disassembly he realized that the baffle had been installed backwards and by turning the baffle around in the smoke chamber, with the chamfer on the small hole facing the piston and not the angel hair, the squeak disappeared. He also noted that this baffle could be replaced with a stock AC Gilbert baffle from any Flyer loco that has a smoke unit. Another option would be to use a 3/16" drill bit in your hand and turn it softly into the hole in the back of the brass smoke chamber to chamfer the hole a little bit. He also used a small amount of Vaseline in the cylinder to lube the steel piston a bit for a better fit.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42054	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 11/1/2006
Subject: Re: Royal Blue on E-Bay

Hi Chris, It is good to see you back on the list. I too, had bidded on several of Rick Dunn's items, a month ago, common 100 dollar cars, that went 3 times the value. I think a 45 dollar in E 24316 Mobil KC went for almost 400! I mention this, on the list awhile ago and someone answered back, as he is a member of a AF club in the state of Washington, where Rick is and a member too, I think. Rick is selling these trains, for a widow of someone in Washington who had a large collection of AF and many pieces in great condition. The person who wrote about this, said, it was the members, bidding up the prices. Why, I don't have a clue. To have a memory of the deceased AF collector, he wrote might be the answer. I lost out on 3 items, as the bids got way out of whack. However, the weird thing is, I bidded for a new in box, probably never used, steam whistle generator, the red one, as I needed that for my 20740 set of 1958. I won it for $55, which was a bit below the TM book. So, who knows. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42055	From: Eric R.	Date: 11/1/2006
Subject: Re: Royal Blue on E-Bay

Rick and Chris: Rick Dunn is a local O gauge guy in the Seattle area. He is a good guy and fair seller. He is not in the S Gauge group here. He does sell at the Seattle TCA swaps and other Swap Meets here and elsewhere. I only know him from talking to him at TCA over the last number of years and buying a few things. This large quantity of AF items are items he is selling for the widow of a good friend of his from California. It was a big collection. It is interesting that some of these things are going for such high prices but that seems to be the way of flyer stuff lately. Range from really high no bids. It seems all over the board to me and a few others here that sell some on Ebay. Also reports from the friends that I know that are going to meets is that there is more flyer out there then there has been in years. Anyone else seen this? A friend that was into another collector hobby always told me that when times are good they would bring out their good stuff because there would be people with the money to pay high prices for it. When the economy was bad they would bring only the lower quality stuff as there was not so many buying. Just a thought, don't know where it goes. Eric Reis Kenmore, WA. -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael and Linda Marmer Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 7:03 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com; Chris Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Royal Blue on E-Bay Hi Chris, It is good to see you back on the list. I too, had bidded on several of Rick Dunn's items, a month ago, common 100 dollar cars, that went 3 times the value. I think a 45 dollar in E 24316 Mobil KC went for almost 400! I mention this, on the list awhile ago and someone answered back, as he is a member of a AF club in the state of Washington, where Rick is and a member too, I think. Rick is selling these trains, for a widow of someone in Washington who had a large collection of AF and many pieces in great condition. The person who wrote about this, said, it was the members, bidding up the prices. Why, I don't have a clue. To have a memory of the deceased AF collector, he wrote might be the answer. I lost out on 3 items, as the bids got way out of whack. However, the weird thing is, I bidded for a new in box, probably never used, steam whistle generator, the red one, as I needed that for my 20740 set of 1958. I won it for $55, which was a bit below the TM book. So, who knows. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42056	From: THOMAS E HILLERY	Date: 11/2/2006
Subject: Fw: Re: Ebay has jumped the shark

Subject: Re: Ebay has jumped the shark re Cheap shipping Your thoughts made me think. I bought item on Ebay for $5. Since the seller lives 20 miles from me I wrote to ask if I could pick it up and save th $20 shipping.charge. We finally agree to $18 total so he could make some profit. . The seller's profits are the unregulated S&H. Ebay has jumped the shark.-Tom Hillery

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42057	From: Chris	Date: 11/2/2006
Subject: Re: Royal Blue on E-Bay

Don't get me wrong, I know about this Ric Dunn and who he is selling for. I have no problem if he asks a million for each item. The problem is when people pay it. If club members are secretly helping a widow out by overpaying, that is certainly commendable, but it should be going on in private, not on e-Bay. E-Bay is too public a place to rock the boat. Then again, it is a weirdly variable market. Just when I think the bottom may be falling out of it, someone offers an empty cardboard box for a Lionel bridge for $100. Now that's paper recycling! Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42058	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 11/2/2006
Subject: Re: Fw: Re: Ebay has jumped the shark

I DID GET A SET RECENTLY..... I WOULD HAVE GONE PROB. 100.00 MORE UNTIL I SAW THE SHIPPING 45.00.... SO I STOPPED..... WON IT ANY WAY AT THE LOWER PRICE..... IT SOUNDS LIKE A GOOD WAY TO BEAT THE FEES.... BUT E-BAY WILL CATCH ON AND START CANCELLLING LISTINGS...... THEY CANCELLED 25 OF MINE ONCE BECAUSE I SAID NO PAYPAL.... MO, CHECKS, CASH., OK.... THE CASH CAUSED IT..... ANOTHER TIME BECAUSE I USED AMERICAN FKYER IN THE DESCRIPTION...... BOB ----- Original Message ----- From: THOMAS E HILLERY To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 1:22 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Fw: Re: Ebay has jumped the shark Subject: Re: Ebay has jumped the shark re Cheap shipping Your thoughts made me think. I bought item on Ebay for $5. Since the seller lives 20 miles from me I wrote to ask if I could pick it up and save th $20 shipping.charge. We finally agree to $18 total so he could make some profit. . The seller's profits are the unregulated S&H. Ebay has jumped the shark.-Tom Hillery [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42059	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 11/2/2006
Subject: Re: E-BAY>> HIGH SHIPPING COST THEIR POLICY

Search Help _tips_ (http://pages.ebay.com/help/find/contextual/search-help.html) Excessive Shipping Charges Policy Sellers may charge reasonable shipping and handling fees to cover the costs for mailing, packaging, and handling the items they are selling. While eBay will not prescribe exactly what a seller may or may not charge, eBay will rely on member reports and its own discretion to determine whether or not a seller’ s shipping, handling, packaging, and/or insurance charges are excessive. Shipping and handling fees may not be listed as a percentage of the final sale price. Sellers who want to be sure they are in compliance with this policy may charge actual shipping costs plus actual packaging materials cost (or less). In addition to the final listing price, sellers are permitted to charge: Actual Shipping cost: This is the actual cost (i.e. postage) for shipping the item. Handling Fee: Actual packaging materials costs may be charged. A handling fee in addition to actual shipping cost may be charged if it is not excessive. Insurance: Sellers offering insurance may only charge the actual fee for insurance. No additional amount may be added, such as “self-insurance”. Sellers who do not use a licensed 3rd party insurance company may not require buyers to purchase insurance. This is a violation of state law. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42060	From: Rick Evans	Date: 11/2/2006
Subject: Re: Ebay has jumped the shark

***((((THEY CANCELLED 25 OF MINE ONCE BECAUSE I SAID NO PAYPAL.... MO, CHECKS, CASH., OK.... THE CASH CAUSED IT..... ANOTHER TIME BECAUSE I USED AMERICAN FKYER IN THE DESCRIPTION...... BOB)))*** No kiddin' ?? That seems odd to me. Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42061	From: northline@comcast.net	Date: 11/2/2006
Subject: Re: Fw: Re: Ebay has jumped the shark

Some of the shipping fees that come up automatically are way off. I don't use them and put in flat fees only. I know EBAY is cracking down on the sellers that list a $80 item for $1 and a $90 shipping fee when shipping should be $11. They are losing the listing selling fee money. If the shipping is high, contact the seller before you bid and ask about it. Most will give you a real amount, otherwise , bid accordingly. Good point though, ALWAYS check the shipping costs. eric -------------- Original message -------------- From: "ROBERT ALLEN CONNER" <rcon7@...> I DID GET A SET RECENTLY..... I WOULD HAVE GONE PROB. 100.00 MORE UNTIL I SAW THE SHIPPING 45.00.... SO I STOPPED..... WON IT ANY WAY AT THE LOWER PRICE..... IT SOUNDS LIKE A GOOD WAY TO BEAT THE FEES.... BUT E-BAY WILL CATCH ON AND START CANCELLLING LISTINGS...... THEY CANCELLED 25 OF MINE ONCE BECAUSE I SAID NO PAYPAL.... MO, CHECKS, CASH., OK.... THE CASH CAUSED IT..... ANOTHER TIME BECAUSE I USED AMERICAN FKYER IN THE DESCRIPTION...... BOB ----- Original Message ----- From: THOMAS E HILLERY To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 1:22 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Fw: Re: Ebay has jumped the shark Subject: Re: Ebay has jumped the shark re Cheap shipping Your thoughts made me think. I bought item on Ebay for $5. Since the seller lives 20 miles from me I wrote to ask if I could pick it up and save th $20 shipping.charge. We finally agree to $18 total so he could make some profit. . The seller's profits are the unregulated S&H. Ebay has jumped the shark.-Tom Hillery [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42062	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 11/2/2006
Subject: Re: Royal Blue on E-Bay

Hi Eric, Maybe you were the one who responded about some of the auctions on eBay I wrote about when some things when for extremely high prices. I thought according to your email that Rick was a member of your S club in Washington, as I think you wrote me, that many in that S club were outbidding each other. Sorry for getting that wrong, as I did write yesterday, I was not sure, but I do see in the TCA directory that Rick is a O gauge person. I think you were interested in some of the pieces like me, but bailed out, when the prices started to go too high. But that is the way EBay works, so I will keep looking for the pieces need, as I did find a few that Rick had on EBay at York, eBay and elsewhere. Prices reasonable. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: Eric R. To: 'Michael and Linda Marmer' ; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com ; 'Chris' Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 10:58 PM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Royal Blue on E-Bay Rick and Chris: Rick Dunn is a local O gauge guy in the Seattle area. He is a good guy and fair seller. He is not in the S Gauge group here. He does sell at the Seattle TCA swaps and other Swap Meets here and elsewhere. I only know him from talking to him at TCA over the last number of years and buying a few things. This large quantity of AF items are items he is selling for the widow of a good friend of his from California. It was a big collection. It is interesting that some of these things are going for such high prices but that seems to be the way of flyer stuff lately. Range from really high no bids. It seems all over the board to me and a few others here that sell some on Ebay. Also reports from the friends that I know that are going to meets is that there is more flyer out there then there has been in years. Anyone else seen this? A friend that was into another collector hobby always told me that when times are good they would bring out their good stuff because there would be people with the money to pay high prices for it. When the economy was bad they would bring only the lower quality stuff as there was not so many buying. Just a thought, don't know where it goes. Eric Reis Kenmore, WA. -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael and Linda Marmer Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 7:03 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com; Chris Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Royal Blue on E-Bay Hi Chris, It is good to see you back on the list. I too, had bidded on several of Rick Dunn's items, a month ago, common 100 dollar cars, that went 3 times the value. I think a 45 dollar in E 24316 Mobil KC went for almost 400! I mention this, on the list awhile ago and someone answered back, as he is a member of a AF club in the state of Washington, where Rick is and a member too, I think. Rick is selling these trains, for a widow of someone in Washington who had a large collection of AF and many pieces in great condition. The person who wrote about this, said, it was the members, bidding up the prices. Why, I don't have a clue. To have a memory of the deceased AF collector, he wrote might be the answer. I lost out on 3 items, as the bids got way out of whack. However, the weird thing is, I bidded for a new in box, probably never used, steam whistle generator, the red one, as I needed that for my 20740 set of 1958. I won it for $55, which was a bit below the TM book. So, who knows. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42063	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 11/3/2006
Subject: Midwest Narrow Gauge Show 2007

For those of you interested in Narrow Gauge, the 2007 Midwest Narrow Gauge Show in Greenford, OH. is scheduled for March 22-24. This is the weekend before the 2007 S Spree in Hilliard, OH. For those of us in this area who do S gauge and narrow gauge there has been concern for some time that these two events would be on the same weekend. We can all breathe easier now...and start saving our money. Looks like the April credit card bills will be substantial! Stumpy Stone...S gauge and On30 in Appalachia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42064	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 11/3/2006
Subject: Re: Ebay has jumped the shark

YES AND LIKE AN IDIOT I HAD NOT MADE COPIES OF ANY OF THE AUCTIONS....... HAD TO REDO EVERYTHING..... BOB ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick Evans To: STrains Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 5:00 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Ebay has jumped the shark ***((((THEY CANCELLED 25 OF MINE ONCE BECAUSE I SAID NO PAYPAL.... MO, CHECKS, CASH., OK.... THE CASH CAUSED IT..... ANOTHER TIME BECAUSE I USED AMERICAN FKYER IN THE DESCRIPTION...... BOB)))*** No kiddin' ?? That seems odd to me. Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42065	From: Edward G.	Date: 11/3/2006
Subject: Rotary Snowplow coming..But I still WANT a Galloping Goose

I still want to see someone come out with a Galloping Goose ...they have them in O and SnO3 ..but we still stand in the wings ...S gaugers last to the trough ...The last time i mentioned this all kinds of guys said they too would pony up to have a Goose ...Common Producers pay attention ... --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Phil K" <waldootten@...> wrote: > > BTW -- I have no connection with this company other than as a > satisfied customer who pays full retail. > > R. Tom Hodgson of Spring Grove, Ill.-based American Hi-Rail will be > showing at Fall S Fest in Chicago this weekend his latest project -- > like always, a very limited run -- an S gauge rotary snowplow. > > "I'm going to test the waters and see if there's enough interest," > he said. "Right now I'm considering picking two or three road names - > - like Northern Pacific and maybe Great Northern or New Haven and > one other." > > Based on his initial survey, Hodgson said the rotary plow will be > self-propelled, although it will look great heading up two or three > steam pushers. It will be oil-fired instead of coal. It will have > a "pinwheel" design on the front of the plow similar to that on the > nosecone of jet engines, to show motion. It will have one four-wheel > truck and one six-wheel truck. The circular plow will be powered by > a battery to keep its speed constant no matter what the track power > is providing to the transportation motor; i.e., it can still rotate > if the unit is stationary. > > The rotary plow will be offered with several options at additional > cost: AC with an SHS electronic reverse unit, and smoke. It will be > brightly-painted, although an unpainted version will be available in > kit form for those who would like to have theirs black, as many > prototypes were painted. > > No word on cost yet. Hodgson will be taking deposits on orders. > > Phil K >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42066	From: muniman18	Date: 11/3/2006
Subject: e mail

i am not receiving any e-mails is there something wrong with with the page

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42067	From: Michael T Kolosseus	Date: 11/3/2006
Subject: Big AF train list available

My November AF S list is now ready. If you have not received a copy and would like me to email one to you, please contact me.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42068	From: Gale Hall	Date: 11/4/2006
Subject: S Fest

Morning list, Anyone at the S Fest checking emails from this list? How about a report or two....?? gale hall [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42069	From: Roy Inman	Date: 11/4/2006
Subject: Re: Rotary Snowplow coming..But I still WANT a Galloping Goose

Has anyone regauged the Bachmann On30 Goose for S? Some of the On30 equipment looks reasonably good next to S; wonder if the BG does as well? Roy Inman From: "Edward G." <am-flyr@...> Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2006 19:27:23 +0000 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Rotary Snowplow coming..But I still WANT a Galloping Goose I still want to see someone come out with a Galloping Goose ...they have them in O and SnO3 ..but we still stand in the wings ...S gaugers last to the trough ...The last time i mentioned this all kinds of guys said they too would pony up to have a Goose ...Common Producers pay attention ... --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> , "Phil K" <waldootten@...> wrote: > > BTW -- I have no connection with this company other than as a > satisfied customer who pays full retail. > > R. Tom Hodgson of Spring Grove, Ill.-based American Hi-Rail will be > showing at Fall S Fest in Chicago this weekend his latest project -- > like always, a very limited run -- an S gauge rotary snowplow. > > "I'm going to test the waters and see if there's enough interest," > he said. "Right now I'm considering picking two or three road names - > - like Northern Pacific and maybe Great Northern or New Haven and > one other." > > Based on his initial survey, Hodgson said the rotary plow will be > self-propelled, although it will look great heading up two or three > steam pushers. It will be oil-fired instead of coal. It will have > a "pinwheel" design on the front of the plow similar to that on the > nosecone of jet engines, to show motion. It will have one four-wheel > truck and one six-wheel truck. The circular plow will be powered by > a battery to keep its speed constant no matter what the track power > is providing to the transportation motor; i.e., it can still rotate > if the unit is stationary. > > The rotary plow will be offered with several options at additional > cost: AC with an SHS electronic reverse unit, and smoke. It will be > brightly-painted, although an unpainted version will be available in > kit form for those who would like to have theirs black, as many > prototypes were painted. > > No word on cost yet. Hodgson will be taking deposits on orders. > > Phil K > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42070	From: Phil K	Date: 11/4/2006
Subject: Re: S Fest

A short report from S Fest: I can only speak from the operations side, but we had one of the biggest crowds ever at Fall S Fest yesterday and anticipate even more people today. We made a strong effort to market the event locally to the general public in an effort to grow awareness and interest in S and the hobby itself. This is the largest S gauge convention in the world. The 5,000+sf of operating layouts -- the largest of its kind in history -- is open at no charge to the public, and yesterday we also had the CN Operation Lifesaver train giving free rides around the parking lot. As an aside, true to prototype railroading, it arrived late. LOL The public could get into the Trading Hall for $7.50 for an entire family, and I'd say a large percentage that showed up for the free layouts and trains rides paid to enter the Trading Hall. There was plenty of S everywhere you looked in the spacious, 17,000+sf Trading Hall. There was enough room so the tables could be set up so vendors could sit behind their tables instead of in the aisle. And the aisles were fairly wide, too. I did see a lot of buying going on, but I'll leave a report on that to some of the vendors. Phil K --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Gale Hall" <frisco91@...> wrote: > > Morning list, > > Anyone at the S Fest checking emails from this list? How about a report or two....?? > > > gale hall > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42071	From: Gerald Dobbs	Date: 11/4/2006
Subject: Flyonel

Are my eyes deceiving me or is the power truck on all jeep made by Lionel (GP7 & 9's ) set about 3/16 too far forward??? and force the gear cover into the frame on curves??? Compair them with Gilbert ??? Jerry HR 77-11644

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42072	From: Jollivier4@cs.com	Date: 11/4/2006
Subject: LVTS smoke fluid

Hi gang, I found some Lehigh Valley Train Service live steam liquid smoke. I love it, but one of the boys dropped the bottle and broke it. Does anyone know where I can get some more? Jacques [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42073	From: Robert Graves	Date: 11/4/2006
Subject: Re: Royal Blue on E-Bay

I don't know what all this fuss is about. I've bought a bunch of things from Rick at 30% to 60% below book. Some things sell above book and some sell below book. It has nothing to do with Rick. He's just visible right now because he's sold so many items in the last three months. The market has always been that way and will always be. You all know that the selling price of any item on any given day depends on who's in the market that day. I bought an NIB TTUX set for $40 one week after the identical item had sold for $85. That's just the nature of the auction world, plain and simple. Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: Hi Eric, Maybe you were the one who responded about some of the auctions on eBay I wrote about when some things when for extremely high prices. I thought according to your email that Rick was a member of your S club in Washington, as I think you wrote me, that many in that S club were outbidding each other. Sorry for getting that wrong, as I did write yesterday, I was not sure, but I do see in the TCA directory that Rick is a O gauge person. I think you were interested in some of the pieces like me, but bailed out, when the prices started to go too high. But that is the way EBay works, so I will keep looking for the pieces need, as I did find a few that Rick had on EBay at York, eBay and elsewhere. Prices reasonable. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: Eric R. To: 'Michael and Linda Marmer' ; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com ; 'Chris' Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 10:58 PM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Royal Blue on E-Bay Rick and Chris: Rick Dunn is a local O gauge guy in the Seattle area. He is a good guy and fair seller. He is not in the S Gauge group here. He does sell at the Seattle TCA swaps and other Swap Meets here and elsewhere. I only know him from talking to him at TCA over the last number of years and buying a few things. This large quantity of AF items are items he is selling for the widow of a good friend of his from California. It was a big collection. It is interesting that some of these things are going for such high prices but that seems to be the way of flyer stuff lately. Range from really high no bids. It seems all over the board to me and a few others here that sell some on Ebay. Also reports from the friends that I know that are going to meets is that there is more flyer out there then there has been in years. Anyone else seen this? A friend that was into another collector hobby always told me that when times are good they would bring out their good stuff because there would be people with the money to pay high prices for it. When the economy was bad they would bring only the lower quality stuff as there was not so many buying. Just a thought, don't know where it goes. Eric Reis Kenmore, WA. -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael and Linda Marmer Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 7:03 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com; Chris Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Royal Blue on E-Bay --------------------------------- Access over 1 million songs - Yahoo! Music Unlimited Try it today. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42074	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 11/4/2006
Subject: Knuckle coupler problem

I'm gathering rolling stock for and planning a switching layout for S gauge. For this type of layout couplers MUST work reliably. Due to the small size of the layout, I can't put uncoupling tracks everywhere. But that is okay as I'll use a coupler pick to manually uncouple cars. Coupling up will be the problem. To reliably couple cars it seems I've got to hit them pretty hard to get them to couple up. Sometimes the knuckle doesn't close at all and I launch the car down the track quite a way. (Obviously the shipper doesn't like to see his freight battered around this way!) Oiling the couplers doesn't seem to help much. I'd like to be able to use a mix of old Flyere S Helper and American Models cars, but each has it's own coupling problems. While generally the newer cars couple a bit easier, they also roll away easier so that I have to "chase" them with the switch engine sometimes. The old Flyer cars often don't couple, but at least they don't coast away. I've thought about pinning the cars against bumpers every time I want to couple to them, but I'm afraid that will damage the coupler at the bumper end of the car. Another thought I've had is to weight the cars down heavily and/or wind thread into the axle "journals" so that they won't coast away. Any ideas? Stumpy Stone...trying to couple up in Appalachia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42075	From: Rick Evans	Date: 11/5/2006
Subject: LVTS smoke fluid

****((((I found some Lehigh Valley Train Service live steam liquid smoke. I love it, but one of the boys dropped the bottle and broke it. Does anyone know where I can get some more?)))***** I don't think that it is made anymore. But don't quote me! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42076	From: Rick Evans	Date: 11/5/2006
Subject: slow posts??????

Wow. My last post only took TWELVE hours to show up!!! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42077	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 11/5/2006
Subject: Re: slow posts??????

been that way for several days, maybe Yahoo making it "better" again??? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42078	From: James Hannawald	Date: 11/5/2006
Subject: Need some info on scales

Each year when I do my S gauge layout I get the question on comparing the different scales. I had a chart that showed the relative difference using an engine diagram couple of years ago. I cannot find this graphic to be able to use it this year. Can any of you guide me to a source. I found one but it did not include S, and I want to be sure S is included. Thanks ahead of time. Jim [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42079	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 11/5/2006
Subject: Re: slow posts??????

Or it could be that the moderators are at S train events without a laptop. It's been a Busy weekend! Carl -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of WJJIM@... Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2006 3:09 PM To: bAssflyer@...; s-trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] slow posts?????? been that way for several days, maybe Yahoo making it "better" again??? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42080	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 11/5/2006
Subject: Re: Flyonel northern fix

A question about the smoke unit in the new Northern. You said he said, " From his disassembly he realized that the baffle had been installed backwards and by turning the baffle around in the smoke chamber, with the chamfer on the small hole facing the piston and not the angel hair, the squeak disappeared." Ok, how did he get the baffle to come out. I have tried to pull it out, to no avail yet. Another note, my shop's Lionel repairman found that two units had the switch to turn the smoke on wired backwards. So to get it to smoke the switch had to be turned to the off position. He also replaced the white material that absorbes the smoke fluid with the material used in MTH smoke units. This helped it smoke a lot better. I assume the "angel hair" used in Flyer units would work as well. Has anyone installed an original Flyer smoke unit yet? How do you get that screw out that is under the brass piston barrel? Harwood, HELP! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42081	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 11/5/2006
Subject: Re: slow posts??????

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 42082	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 11/5/2006
Subject: Re: Flyonel

Yes, comparing the original ACG to Flyionel the Geeps and Alcos are both are a bit different in regards to centering. The latest versions to not have the problem of clearance due to the re-design of the power truck. Carl -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Gerald Dobbs Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2006 1:28 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Flyonel Are my eyes deceiving me or is the power truck on all jeep made by Lionel (GP7 & 9's ) set about 3/16 too far forward??? and force the gear cover into the frame on curves??? Compair them with Gilbert ??? Jerry HR 77-11644 S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42083	From: Rick Evans	Date: 11/5/2006
Subject: Re: Need some info on scales

This one? http://s-scale.org/albums/v/info/Train_scales.jpg.html Rick. Each year when I do my S gauge layout I get the question on comparing the different scales. I had a chart that showed the relative difference using an engine diagram couple of years ago. I cannot find this graphic to be able to use it this year. Can any of you guide me to a source. I found one but it did not include S, and I want to be sure S is included. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42084	From: Ed	Date: 11/5/2006
Subject: Re: slow posts??????

Hi: As one of the moderators on this list, I normally check the list 3 times a day and 2 out of 3 times there are no messages. For the number of messages I approve, 3 out of 4 are approved by the other moderators. In this regard, the moderators are doing their job in a timely fashion. Ed Eckert -------Original Message------- From: Carl Tuveson Date: 11/05/06 13:28:31 To: WJJIM@...; bAssflyer@...; s-trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [S-Trains] slow posts?????? Or it could be that the moderators are at S train events without a laptop. It's been a Busy weekend! Carl -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of WJJIM@... Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2006 3:09 PM To: bAssflyer@...; s-trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] slow posts?????? been that way for several days, maybe Yahoo making it "better" again??? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42085	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 11/5/2006
Subject: Re: slow posts??????

My post only took 5 minutes. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42086	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 11/5/2006
Subject: Re: CAL-STEWART

Anyone have exact date for Cal-Stewart? Thank You, Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42087	From: Roy Inman	Date: 11/5/2006
Subject: Re: Need some info on scales

Try www.csgnetwork.com/modrrscaleconv.html Roy Inman From: James Hannawald <jhannawald@...> Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2006 15:08:29 -0500 To: S-List <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Subject: [S-Trains] Need some info on scales Each year when I do my S gauge layout I get the question on comparing the different scales. I had a chart that showed the relative difference using an engine diagram couple of years ago. I cannot find this graphic to be able to use it this year. Can any of you guide me to a source. I found one but it did not include S, and I want to be sure S is included. Thanks ahead of time. Jim [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42088	From: James Hannawald	Date: 11/5/2006
Subject: Re: Need some info on scales

Thanks Rick, Ny layout is a demo that I take to 2 local shows in Dec. Usually have close to 1000 folks come thru. Always ge the question how does AS compare witht the others. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick Evans To: STrains Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2006 4:26 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Need some info on scales This one? http://s-scale.org/albums/v/info/Train_scales.jpg.html Rick. Each year when I do my S gauge layout I get the question on comparing the different scales. I had a chart that showed the relative difference using an engine diagram couple of years ago. I cannot find this graphic to be able to use it this year. Can any of you guide me to a source. I found one but it did not include S, and I want to be sure S is included. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42089	From: Russ Dondero	Date: 11/5/2006
Subject: Re: Flyonel northern fix

I have both the American Models Northern and the new Flyonel UP with Elephant Ears Northern. Both are great locomotives. Yes, that silly sound from the smoke unit on the UP is annoying. So, I'm going to have my repair guy see if he can fix it as suggested. The American Models version tender power cord tends to separate bringing my train to a halt... I've made a minor adjustment by spreading the metal tongs in the engine it fits onto plus wrapping some electrical tape around it. But if anybody out there has a better idea I'd like to hear about it. Now, does anyone out there have an SP Alco PA AB unit they want to sell - either the Floynel or the American Models version? I'm trying to complete my SP Daylight train. Russ in Oregon ____________________________________________________________________________________ Access over 1 million songs - Yahoo! Music Unlimited (http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42090	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 11/5/2006
Subject: "The Junk Box Addiction"

As most of you know, I'm a junk box collector. The hobby shop guys brought me back some boxes from York and I've gathered some at train shows and flea markets regionally. It's been a good year for junk. I have four complete tin tendered Atlantics, a complete Silver Bullet with a cracked shell, a complete Pacific with broken cab roof, two common plastic tenders, a couple of scruffy heavyweight combines, five incomplete New Haven style cars, most of a Hudson, and an 0-8-0 boiler shell and chassis. None of the above is better than VG condition and none runs. Of course to come up with these "treasures" which I can use for kit bashing or repair, I've ended up with lots of real junk. Old e-units, motor parts, loco chassis, loco shells, wheel sets, truck frames, floors, broken car shells, odd doors, windows, and yards of rusty track. Cindy has had enough and says it's got to end. The junk boxes are invading HER territory! So it looks like my junk buying days are going on hold for now. To me this is like trying to get off drugs! I guess I'll actually have to start working on some of this stuff. Does anyone else out there have "The Junk Box Addiction?" Stumpy Stone...suffering from wife abuse in Appalachia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42091	From: George Cohn	Date: 11/5/2006
Subject: Re: slow posts??????

Ed wrote: > Hi: > > As one of the moderators on this list, I normally check the list 3 times > a day and 2 out of 3 times there are no messages. For the number of messages > I approve, 3 out of 4 are approved by the other moderators. In this regard, > the moderators are doing their job in a timely fashion. The problem is self induced by Yahoo. They are forcing servers to send each message to them two or three times before they accept it in a move supposedly to block spam. There has been considerable discussion by many of the ISP managers about it. For the technical minded, here is what is going on: <http://www.ahfx.net/weblog.php?article=107> George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42092	From: George Cohn	Date: 11/5/2006
Subject: Re: "The Junk Box Addiction"

Stumpy Stone wrote: > and yards of rusty track. I may be interested in the rusty track! ;-) I'm testing a chemical process now that removes the rust and leaves the track shiny again. It takes about two weeks to a month so it's just in the testing stage. George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42093	From: Roy Plotnick	Date: 11/6/2006
Subject: F-9 gears

I have an F-9 that didn't run because the small gear on the drive axle that meets the worm gear on the armature was stripped. I twice tried replacing the gear with the brass replacement gears from parts dealers and they both ended up stripping also! At the S-fest this weekend, I got an original gear and axle assembly. I put it in and the same thing started to happen. I'm frankly stumped. The only possibility I can think of is that the worm gear on the armature is incorrect. The current worm gear seems to be stainless steel, which is much harder than the original plastic or replacement brass gears. Should it have been the white plastic one? I can imagine someone in the last days of Gilbert shoving in the wrong armature assembly. I would appreciate if someone can take a look at F-9 and let me know. Any other ideas? - Thanks - Roy -- Roy E. Plotnick

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42094	From: Don	Date: 11/6/2006
Subject: Oil question

Ok. I have everything ready to go to resurrect my AF set that hasn't been powered up since the late 50's. I'm going to lay track this coming weekend and hook up all the accessories I have rebuilt, including baggage handlers, talking station, and lots of lights, switches, X- over, unloaders, and uncoupler. My question is, "with what do I lube the 3 engines and car wheels?" My AF instruction book says, "a high grade fine oil (Sewing Machine Oil)." While in Chatanooga last June I visited the Chatanooga Choo-Choo museum and the model RR museum there. I talked with a model RRder and he said to use 80W90 gear oil. Their setup is, I believe, N guage and they converted all their wheels to metal. Before I get in trouble does anybody have any experience with this? I certainly don't want the gear oil to have any reaction to the plastic wheels on my cars. All I can find on the internet is that Sewing Machine Oil is "a white, fine mineral oil," but I think they are referring to lubricating the needle eye as the thread passes through it. I know that is used in the carpet tufting process and I assume in textile sewing, also. I have a micro needle and syringe I got from a dentist to apply the oil....just want to make very sure I use the right lubricant.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42095	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 11/6/2006
Subject: Christmas Shopping, Purchasing or Trading

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 42096	From: muniman18	Date: 11/6/2006
Subject: e-mail

Getting it now thx for the help. Thought i was the only one

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42097	From: reynoldsjmus	Date: 11/6/2006
Subject: Junk

hey stumpy, some of us over in the carolinas donate junker engines to a couple guys who make up starter sets for sale at cost to kids, a good way to get younger people into s gauge. dale reynolds, pendleton sc

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42098	From: Roy Inman	Date: 11/6/2006
Subject: Re: Oil question

Hi Don, and congratulations on getting your old AF equipment back in working order!! I am impressed; I would have to have considerable help with such a project. My train repair guy recommended Labelle #108 light multi-purpose, plastic compatible oil. Walthers, Caboose Hobbies in Denver and many train shops carry it. Woodland Scenics sells a stuff called Hob-E-Lube Premuum. I am not certain if this is plastic compatible. My repair guy also said that on side rods of steamers I might try the Labelle #107 medium weight old. On one level, I suppose oil is just oil, but I like to stick with what is designed for the purpose exactly because of the concerns you mention. Others more versed in the subject will offer excellent advice about the subject and I am sure can speak to the variety of lubricants available today, such as the Labelle #106 grease with PTFE, #134 lubricating powder, etc. Best of luck :") Roy Inman PS: The Hob-E-Lube and Labelle come with a needle applicator. From: Don <niblick_32966@...> Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2006 15:04:36 +0000 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Oil question Ok. I have everything ready to go to resurrect my AF set that hasn't been powered up since the late 50's. I'm going to lay track this coming weekend and hook up all the accessories I have rebuilt, including baggage handlers, talking station, and lots of lights, switches, X- over, unloaders, and uncoupler. My question is, "with what do I lube the 3 engines and car wheels?" My AF instruction book says, "a high grade fine oil (Sewing Machine Oil)." While in Chatanooga last June I visited the Chatanooga Choo-Choo museum and the model RR museum there. I talked with a model RRder and he said to use 80W90 gear oil. Their setup is, I believe, N guage and they converted all their wheels to metal. Before I get in trouble does anybody have any experience with this? I certainly don't want the gear oil to have any reaction to the plastic wheels on my cars. All I can find on the internet is that Sewing Machine Oil is "a white, fine mineral oil," but I think they are referring to lubricating the needle eye as the thread passes through it. I know that is used in the carpet tufting process and I assume in textile sewing, also. I have a micro needle and syringe I got from a dentist to apply the oil....just want to make very sure I use the right lubricant. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42099	From: jeff silvera	Date: 11/6/2006
Subject: Re: CAL-STEWART

"Anyone have exact date for Cal-Stewart? Thank You, Mike" The Cal - Stewart meet is in the Pasadena Convention Center, November 17 - 19. There will be 500 Tables, Operating Layouts, Auctions, Parts and Much More! For Info. Call (818) 848-2653 Hope to See Some of You There!!! Jeff Silvera, TTOS Sacramento Valley Division --------------------------------- Sponsored Link Get an Online or Campus degree - Associate's, Bachelor's, or Master's - in less than one year. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42100	From: Antonides, Frank I	Date: 11/6/2006
Subject: Re: CAL-STEWART

November 17-19, see the link below: http://www.ttos-sw.org/cal-stewart_brochure.htm [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42101	From: Phil K	Date: 11/6/2006
Subject: Fall S Fest preliminary report -- and the news is good

Even though we're still counting, we do know we just had the largest crowd ever to attend Fall S Fest in its 31-year history. Because of the size of the facility and that it is located in the Chicago metro area, Fall S Fest in Chicago is always the best-attended of the four incarnations -- Fall S Fest rotates every fourth year between the Chicago area, Milwaukee area, St. Louis area and Rockford-Beloit area. For comparision, in 2002 in Chicago at the same facility we had 508 registrations (some include multiple names). We're still counting and are already over 600 filled-out forms for 2006 -- so we should end up with over 900 total registered attendees for the convention. Please note this number does not include anyone under 18. Nor does it include the thousands of members of the general public and their offspring who came to see the operating layouts (no admission charge) and get a free train ride but did not enter the Trading Hall. More to come after we get the final numbers in. Who said S is dead? Long live S! Thanks to all who attended. Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42102	From: Phil K	Date: 11/6/2006
Subject: Slow messages

Yes, the messages have been slow to move through during the last few days. Moderators can either go to the S-Trains board and click on "Messages Pending" or go to their email box to see the same messages waiting for approval. I just found over 20 messages to be approved in my email box when I went online after lunch today at 1 PM. The earliest were sent yesterday morning at 9 AM. They were NOT there when I last checked my box at 1 AM this morning. Nor were they waiting to be approved in that queue on the S-Trains board. So, blame Yahoo. Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42103	From: afvair	Date: 11/6/2006
Subject: Greyhound Nothern arrives in our club at our saturday show!

Hello train friends, We have two club members that in the last month received their new flyonel Northerns. One bought the black one, and the other person bought the "greyhound version". The greyhound version was brought to our first big train show last weekend in Salt Lake City, Utah. My review of the engine is that it is BEAUTIFUL! Very good detail, with an amazing paint job. I was not expecting all the nice black paint accents on the engine, really nice. The person in our club who bought the first Northern to come out, the black one, brought his engine a month ago to our club meeting, and ran it on a members layout. His engine when brought to a slow stop, let out a wonderful loud sound of exhaust steam, then the crew began to talk, and talked quite abit, which made it really fun. When the engine took off from stop, the railsounds chug and steam sounds where FANTASTIC, synchronizing with the speed. Now to my question: The "greyhound" that was brought to our show saturday....has a very quiet whistle, sound of steam, and the crew talk, is very infrequent and also quiet. We waited for more crewtalk for probably 5 minutes, and nothing. Not being an owner of one of these, can you tell me: IS THERE A VOLUME CONTROL FOR ALL THESE SOUNDS IN THE ENGINE? IS THERE A WAY TO GET TO CREW TALK TO COME ON MORE OFTEN? Thanks alot, I would appreciate all the feedback I can get on this. P.S. The new "greyhound" also "squeaks", I guess Lionel did not fix the grey engine either. Has anyone come up with a good fix for the squeak problem. What the heck is a baffle, and where is it? Wayne Golden Spike AF Club

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42104	From: Roy Inman	Date: 11/6/2006
Subject: Re: Greyhound Nothern arrives in our club at our saturday show!

The greyhound does have a volume control, and mine was much more vocal after I turned it up and installed the 9V battery. I don't know for sure if just installing the 9V battery helped, but I think it did. The tender must be removed to install the battery, but that's pretty simple. There have been several discussions about how to fix the squeak problem. I don't have the reference in front of me at the moment, but I assume they would be in the S-Trains archives on Yahoo. I am taking my engine to the local repair guy this weekend to try and fix the squeak in mine. And, yes, it sure is a pretty engine!! Roy Inman From: afvair <afvair@...> Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2006 23:54:51 +0000 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Greyhound Nothern arrives in our club at our saturday show! Hello train friends, We have two club members that in the last month received their new flyonel Northerns. One bought the black one, and the other person bought the "greyhound version". The greyhound version was brought to our first big train show last weekend in Salt Lake City, Utah. My review of the engine is that it is BEAUTIFUL! Very good detail, with an amazing paint job. I was not expecting all the nice black paint accents on the engine, really nice. The person in our club who bought the first Northern to come out, the black one, brought his engine a month ago to our club meeting, and ran it on a members layout. His engine when brought to a slow stop, let out a wonderful loud sound of exhaust steam, then the crew began to talk, and talked quite abit, which made it really fun. When the engine took off from stop, the railsounds chug and steam sounds where FANTASTIC, synchronizing with the speed. Now to my question: The "greyhound" that was brought to our show saturday....has a very quiet whistle, sound of steam, and the crew talk, is very infrequent and also quiet. We waited for more crewtalk for probably 5 minutes, and nothing. Not being an owner of one of these, can you tell me: IS THERE A VOLUME CONTROL FOR ALL THESE SOUNDS IN THE ENGINE? IS THERE A WAY TO GET TO CREW TALK TO COME ON MORE OFTEN? Thanks alot, I would appreciate all the feedback I can get on this. P.S. The new "greyhound" also "squeaks", I guess Lionel did not fix the grey engine either. Has anyone come up with a good fix for the squeak problem. What the heck is a baffle, and where is it? Wayne Golden Spike AF Club [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42105	From: muniman18	Date: 11/6/2006
Subject: northern

Is there a web site i can go to to see the new northern Ithink I dropped the ball on this on and didn't order but would like to see it Mike

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42106	From: WEG138@aol.com	Date: 11/6/2006
Subject: Re: Knuckle coupler problem

Dear Stumpy: Once, long ago in a far off galaxy, I was told a lead weights, would help keep trains from falling off on curves. the weights were to be placed on the bottom of the car, affixed with a proper glue. You may want to go visit a site called This to that. I hope this helps. You can easily shape fishing weights to meet your needs. and I believe that some train dealers are selling weights for this purpose. Please let us know how you solve it. Good luck! Bill Greaves [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42107	From: Phil K	Date: 11/6/2006
Subject: Rotary snow plow photos and more....

I have posted on my album photos of the American Hi-Rail prototypes of Tom Hodgson's new rotary self-propelled snow plow in several road names. Please note he will not be offering any in the Union Pacific paint scheme (heh heh) shown in the photos -- that one he did for his own personal use, of course. You will have to provide your own tender if you purchase one. Based on his initial survey, Hodgson said the rotary plow will be self-propelled, although it will look great heading up two or three steam pushers. It will be oil-fired instead of coal. It will have a "pinwheel" design on the front of the plow similar to that on the nosecone of jet engines, to show motion. It will have one four-wheel truck and one six-wheel truck. The circular plow will be powered by a battery to keep its speed constant no matter what the track power is providing to the transportation motor; i.e., it can still rotate if the unit is stationary. The rotary plow will be offered with several options at additional cost: AC with an SHS electronic reverse unit, and smoke. It will be brightly-painted, although an unpainted version will be available in kit form for those who would like to have theirs black, as many prototypes were painted locomotive black. No word on cost yet. Hodgson will be taking deposits on orders. I also put up some photos of his two RDCs (the run is almost sold out) and a Nikolas Lacquers double-dome tank car. The tank car is is special to Tom because the company, which dates back to the 1890s, made up the special satin-silver lacquer Tom used on the RDCs and Pioneer 9900 Zephyrs. Tom used the lacquer to make the tank car -- and he only produced seven. There is also a couple photos of the Zephyr in NP paint. Go here, then click on Phil K's trains, then click on the American Hi-Rail album (far right, top row). There are 12 new pictures I've added at the end of the album. http://s-scale.org/albums/v/friends/ If you are interested, email me and I'll give you Tom's number.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42108	From: RCESpeak	Date: 11/7/2006
Subject: Re: Oil question

Hi Don, Like Roy, I offer my congrats for getting all your Flyer equipment ready to run. Must be exciting. I do in fact use sewing machine oil and I have used it for years. It is lightweight and plastic compatible. I'm lucky, there is a sewing machine store near me so it's readily available. But you can also go to the sewing department at Sears and pick up a can of it. I too use a micro needle and syringe I got at the pharmacy. The oil is so lightweight, it never clogs the needle. Good luck and enjoy those trains... Barb

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42109	From: George Cohn	Date: 11/7/2006
Subject: Re: "The Junk Box Addiction"

I mentioned the other day that I was testing a process to clean up rusty track. I received several posts off-line asking what I was doing. The simple answer is molasses! ;-) Yes, the dark black stuff that you might put on your pancakes. You can either use the liquid kind from the supermarket or buy it in 8 pound bags at an agricultural supply store. I also restore old sports cars and the discussion of rust removal came up a while back on a car list and several folks mentioned that they had successfully used a solution of molasses and water to soak rusty parts and it cleaned off the rust without heavily etching the irreplaceable parts. I mixed up about 8 ounces of molasses and several quarts of water in a plastic tray and threw in about a dozen pieces of very nasty looking track. After about 10 days, the track came out clean and rust free. The black color on the ties was not affected except on those pieces where it was heavily rusted and that part is shiny metal now. Someone asked about the cardboard insulators. As long as you don't try to brush them while wet, they seem to stand up under the soaking. Rinse in fresh water and spray them with WD-40 and the track looks like it will be good for another 50 years. On the topic of rubber roadbed, I bought a bunch that was grey and some that was just discolored. After washing them up in dish detergent and water, I dried them then used a black vinyl dye made for recoloring upholstery. They came out looking like new and the dye even softens them up a bit. Just passing along a couple of tips to salvage original parts. George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42110	From: Joseph Haughney	Date: 11/7/2006
Subject: Scale Autos

Hi, Found some nice 1/64 scale cars at the store the other day (specifically the BX since I'm retired military). However, should be available elsewhere. Cars our Players Luxury Diecast Collection by Maisto at about $3.00 each. I got a BMW 750LI but there are others such as a RR, Mercedes etc. So if you want to go upscale on your layout you might check them out. Joe Haughney [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42111	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 11/7/2006
Subject: Re: CAL-STEWART

Jeff, I called& a member of any club will be let in. I talked to the main office. NASG members are also welcome. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42112	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 11/7/2006
Subject: Re: PRE X-MAS SMOKE FLUID SALE

Get ready for X-Xmas. I'm offering 2 4oz bottles of smoke fluid for $20.00 shipping & 1 dropper included. Mike PS: Contact me off list [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42113	From: Phil Dunlop	Date: 11/7/2006
Subject: CAN Motor Conversion, Gilbert Steam Loco's

Hi to All; I'm resurecting an old Gilbert 4-8-4 Northern, and I want to retrofit a CAN Motor. In spite of some detailed google searches I'm coming up empty. I've found one old website that says "Sold out" all over it in red letters, and another from Idaho that seems like it's not been updated for 4 years. Wondering if I can get some info on the best place to find these goodies....... Thanks for your input Phil

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42114	From: colleenandrob	Date: 11/7/2006
Subject: Probably hopeless search...

Hello Everyone, I recently sold a 954 Green Pullman on ebay. I advertised it as near new and provided photos. The car sold for a good price and when I went to box it up I noticed that the steps on one side of the observation platform were missing. Now I know the photo shows them missing and nothing was hidden but my wife and I believe in trying to do the right thing as well as being honest. I've even purchased things on ebay that came in much worse condition than advertised and when I sold them again (at a loss) I made sure to point out the defects in the item. I'm sure all of you here that sell on ebay would do the same. Anyway, I replaced the broken step chassis with another 954 that I had on display and the new buyer will get a complete with no defects excellent passenger car. Which brings me to my question. Does any hobby shop sell chassis for AF pullman cars? I can't seem to find any so this may be a lost cause. Thanks for your time and all the best! Rob

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42115	From: Phil K	Date: 11/7/2006
Subject: Prototype snowplow photo added

Go here: http://s-scale.org/albums/v/friends/ then click on the album "Phil K's trains," then click on the "American Hi-Rail" album (far right, top row). There are 12 new pictures I've added at the end of the American Hi-Rail album. And now at the request of a few members I've added a photo of the rotary plow and tender they have in the yard at Steamtown in Scranton. It looks like it was painted black, and there's no lettering or heralds visible. The tender looks like a Reading or NYC style, but I'm no expert. Anyone know about these? Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42116	From: Phil K	Date: 11/7/2006
Subject: Re: CAN Motor Conversion, Gilbert Steam Loco's

This one is too easy. Go here: http://www.s-scaletrains.com/s-n-s/ I must also state up-front that I'm very biased -- I have used several of Steve and Sam's can jobs -- yes, on a couple of my Northerns -- and they work awesome! Phil K ************************************************************** In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Phil Dunlop" <pndunlop@...> wrote: > > Hi to All; > > I'm resurecting an old Gilbert 4-8-4 Northern, and I want to retrofit > a CAN Motor. In spite of some detailed google searches I'm coming up > empty. > > I've found one old website that says "Sold out" all over it in red > letters, and another from Idaho that seems like it's not been updated > for 4 years. > > Wondering if I can get some info on the best place to find these > goodies....... > > Thanks for your input > > Phil >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42117	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 11/7/2006
Subject: AM Horn & Bell control

American Models makes their AC equipment available with a sound unit that features some random engine sounds and a bell & horn (or whistle). The bell & horn are activated by superimposing a little DC on the AC, as I understand it. AM sold a 2-button box that went between your transformer and the track to achieve the DC superimposition. AM no longer has the 2-button box available, and apparently has no plans to make any more any time soon. They now sell a complete transformer that includes the two buttons, and apparently (S-Gaugian Nov-Dec, p 2), so does MRC. But lots of people have perfectly good transformers and don't want to buy complete new ones, they just need a 2-button box. What's the solution for them? I just sold an AM E8 to a man on Sunday, and he begged me to sell him my demonstrator 2-button box, which I have bolted down. I looked at the Dalee site and didn't find anything. It is said that it would be easy for anyone who can solder to make such a box, if one knew the components and had the circuit plan. Any ideas? Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42118	From: Randy Burton	Date: 11/7/2006
Subject: belts slipping off Lionel #789 Baggage Smasher

I have a relatively new #789 Lionel Baggage Smasher. The drive belt keeps coming off the sprocket wheel - the large belt that the moving man attaches to - not the smaller belt that connects to the motor driven sprocket (that one is ok). I ordered a new drive belt from Lionel, and installed it - same result, even the new belt keeps slowly riding up the sprocket and then comes off. This usually happens within a couple of round trips for the man with the cart. Has anyone else had this problem and solved it? I'm considering getting a thin washer, with a diameter slightly larger than the sprocket, and attaching it to the top. It looks to me like there is enough clearence between the top of the sprocket wheels and the bottom of the platform to still have the wire connecting to the man with the cart clear the washer. I could also stand off the connections where the 3 screws attach the belt assembly to the station with another thin washer. Before I try this, I though I'd check for any other suggestions out there. Thanks for any suggestions! Randy Burton BurtonRA@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42119	From: Rhett George	Date: 11/7/2006
Subject: Power supply VA rating

- GreetingS - Several folks over the past week or so have observed that some power supplies having attractive prices do not provide rewarding performance. What does the volt-ampere (or watt) rating mean? Our variable transformers and DC supplies have two properties. One is maximum voltage, determined by the number of turns of copper wire on the primary and on the secondary of the transformer. To help boost the VA rating, the maximum voltage available is used in this computation. The maximum current is determined by the cross sections of the wire used in the primary wiunding and in the secondary winding. (The secondary is wound with larger wire.) As the wire has real resistance, it heats up as the delivered current increases. (Diameter of the wire largely determines the resistance, temperature plays a part also.) The maximum current that can be handled without cooking the insulation times the maximum voltage yields the volt-ampere rating. It looks like a 15 V 150 VA rated transformer should deliver 10 A, at least on a reasonable duty cycle. Do not seek to get 150 VA from the transformer when the voltage is turned down to 7 1/2 V which would mean 20 A. This will pretty quickly heat- damage the windings. On my layout I find an Atlantic or Pacific with a four car freight train will draw around 2 A more or less independent of speed. A two-motor Diesel with a lighted four car passenger train will draw around 5 A will little variation due to speed. Years ago the ratings were given in watts. In recent times folks realize that volt-amperes makes more sense with respect to what is really going on. CheerS, `Ammeter' Rhett

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42120	From: Randy Burton	Date: 11/7/2006
Subject: Re: CAN Motor Conversion, Gilbert Steam Loco's

Hi Phil, I recently converted one of my Flyer Pacifics (#21085) to an electronic reverse unit in the tender + CAN motor. It was a very simple conversion, took less than 30 minutes total (including soldering) and the #21085 runs flawlessly. I have two more than I'm going to convert as soon as I get a Round Tuit. I got the reverse unit + CAN motor from Joe Haenn (joestrainrepair@...). Randy Burton BurtonRA@... --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Phil Dunlop" <pndunlop@...> wrote: > > Hi to All; > > I'm resurecting an old Gilbert 4-8-4 Northern, and I want to retrofit > a CAN Motor. In spite of some detailed google searches I'm coming up > empty. > > I've found one old website that says "Sold out" all over it in red > letters, and another from Idaho that seems like it's not been updated > for 4 years. > > Wondering if I can get some info on the best place to find these > goodies....... > > Thanks for your input > > Phil >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42121	From: Mr wayne broadhead	Date: 11/7/2006
Subject: Re: Flyonel northern fix

Hello AF friends, I am really excited and waiting the answer to this question posted a few days ago by "Harwood", he said: "A question about the smoke unit in the new Northern. You said he said, " From his disassembly he realized that the baffle had been installed backwards and by turning the baffle around in the smoke chamber, with the chamfer on the small hole facing the piston and not the angel hair, the squeak disappeared. " Ok, how did he get the baffle to come out. I have tried to pull it out, to no avail yet." Now, I have taken many old flyer engines and smoke units apart, and inside the smoke box, I saw angel hair, but no baffle. Can someone tell me what this "baffle" is? Is it inside the smoke box? And does it need to be turned around to face the angel hair? How do you get it out as Harwood has asked? Also, thanks for the reply on the "railsounds" volume control and battery. Can anyone answer my last question sent yesterday: ANYWAY TO GET THE RAILSOUNDS, CREWTALK TO COME ON MORE OFTEN IN THE NEW "GREYHOUND"? Thanks alot, Wayne ____________________________________________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail. http://new.mail.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42122	From: Charles E. Smith	Date: 11/7/2006
Subject: Re: AM Horn & Bell control

I activate my AM Whistle and bell using standard Lionel Railsounds buttons. There is also a simple circuit diagram available that we used on our club layout, but I know S-Trains will strip off the attachment. If you want the circuit let me know and I'll email it to you. Chuck Smith, http://www.trainweb.org/chucksmith On matters of style swim with the current. On matters of substance stand like a rock. Thos. Jefferson (may be paraphrased) ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Hawley To: S-trains Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 6:07 PM Subject: [S-Trains] AM Horn & Bell control American Models makes their AC equipment available with a sound unit that features some random engine sounds and a bell & horn (or whistle). The bell & horn are activated by superimposing a little DC on the AC, as I understand it. AM sold a 2-button box that went between your transformer and the track to achieve the DC superimposition. AM no longer has the 2-button box available, and apparently has no plans to make any more any time soon. They now sell a complete transformer that includes the two buttons, and apparently (S-Gaugian Nov-Dec, p 2), so does MRC. But lots of people have perfectly good transformers and don't want to buy complete new ones, they just need a 2-button box. What's the solution for them? I just sold an AM E8 to a man on Sunday, and he begged me to sell him my demonstrator 2-button box, which I have bolted down. I looked at the Dalee site and didn't find anything. It is said that it would be easy for anyone who can solder to make such a box, if one knew the components and had the circuit plan. Any ideas? Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42123	From: Mr wayne broadhead	Date: 11/7/2006
Subject: Re: Flyonel northern fix

Hello AF friends, I am really excited and waiting the answer to this question posted a few days ago by "Harwood", he said: "A question about the smoke unit in the new Northern. You said he said, " From his disassembly he realized that the baffle had been installed backwards and by turning the baffle around in the smoke chamber, with the chamfer on the small hole facing the piston and not the angel hair, the squeak disappeared. " Ok, how did he get the baffle to come out. I have tried to pull it out, to no avail yet." Now, I have taken many old flyer engines and smoke units apart, and inside the smoke box, I saw angel hair, but no baffle. Can someone tell me what this "baffle" is? Is it inside the smoke box? And does it need to be turned around to face the angel hair? How do you get it out as Harwood has asked? Also, thanks for the reply on the "railsounds" volume control and battery. Can anyone answer my last question sent yesterday: ANYWAY TO GET THE RAILSOUNDS, CREWTALK TO COME ON MORE OFTEN IN THE NEW "GREYHOUND"? Thanks alot, Wayne ____________________________________________________________________________________ Cheap talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. http://voice.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42124	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 11/7/2006
Subject: Re: CAN Motor Conversion, Gilbert Steam Loco's

In a message dated 11/07/2006 3:31:36 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, pndunlop@... writes: Hi to All; I'm resurecting an old Gilbert 4-8-4 Northern, and I want to retrofit a CAN Motor. In spite of some detailed google searches I'm coming up empty. I've found one old website that says "Sold out" all over it in red letters, and another from Idaho that seems like it's not been updated for 4 years. Wondering if I can get some info on the best place to find these goodies.....go Thanks for your input Phil The one in "Idaho" is running strong. What's to update when it works? Steve Blackburn SnS Trains "the one in Idaho" Steve [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42125	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 11/7/2006
Subject: Re;CAN motor conversion Gilbert steam locos

I've done some can conversions. I bought my first conversion motor from Portlines Hobby Supply, my next ones from SnS Trains (the manufacturer)and now run all can motored locos. SnS Trains has two different motors availible by the way, and also does diesel conversions. I recommend that all Flyer "operators" try a can motor. Once you see how much smoother and cooler they run, you'll want to do more. Stumpy Stone...can motor convert in Appalachia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42126	From: Roy Inman	Date: 11/7/2006
Subject: Re: AM Horn & Bell control

The Lionel unit seems to work well for me. Takes one for the bell, one for the whistle/horn. Works with AF, Flyonel, AM. Hookup is simple. Roy Inman From: Tom Hawley <t.hawley@...> Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2006 18:07:57 -0500 To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Subject: [S-Trains] AM Horn & Bell control American Models makes their AC equipment available with a sound unit that features some random engine sounds and a bell & horn (or whistle). The bell & horn are activated by superimposing a little DC on the AC, as I understand it. AM sold a 2-button box that went between your transformer and the track to achieve the DC superimposition. AM no longer has the 2-button box available, and apparently has no plans to make any more any time soon. They now sell a complete transformer that includes the two buttons, and apparently (S-Gaugian Nov-Dec, p 2), so does MRC. But lots of people have perfectly good transformers and don't want to buy complete new ones, they just need a 2-button box. What's the solution for them? I just sold an AM E8 to a man on Sunday, and he begged me to sell him my demonstrator 2-button box, which I have bolted down. I looked at the Dalee site and didn't find anything. It is said that it would be easy for anyone who can solder to make such a box, if one knew the components and had the circuit plan. Any ideas? Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42127	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 11/8/2006
Subject: Re: Congratulations are due!

One of our own the Mr. Frank Emiro was successfully elected to the New Hampshire House of Representatives. We want to wish Frank the very best and perhaps he can make TWO RAIL S GAUGE the legal railway of the great state of New Hampshire. Jerry Matsick Jacksonville.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42128	From: Steven Tewkesbury	Date: 11/8/2006
Subject: Re: Need some info on scales

Go to All-Gauge Model Railroading (http://thortrains.hypermart.net/). There are several pictures, charts, and tables showing the differences. JoeT __________________________________________________________________________________________ Sponsored Link Talk more and pay less. Vonage can save you up to $300 a year on your phone bill. Sign up now. http://www.vonage.com/startsavingnow/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42129	From: mvandiver2@aol.com	Date: 11/8/2006
Subject: (no subject)

Can anyone help me with info about how to contact Mr. Frankie Merson who was a vendor at the Atlanta Train Show last weekend? I thought I had his business card but I don't. I believe he told me he lives in Maryland. Thanks. Mike Vandiver [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42130	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 11/8/2006
Subject: Nov 11 & 12

Saturday and Sunday, Nov 11 & 12, The Allentown Train Meet Associates (ATMA) host their semi-annual Train Meet in Agriculture Hall on the Fairgrounds, 15th and Chew streets (just north of RT 222.) Over 600 tables, many held by TCA members, P-V members, S-Train members etc. will offer almost anything and everything train related. Even some 12" to the foot stuff. I'll have a nice selection of Plasticville and parts as will Kim Noles (mayor's daughter) and others whose names I do not know. Lots of American Flyer there, Fred Jester will be there with parts as will others. Lots of that strange three-rail stuff too and lots of parts for that. They DO charge admission, $6.00 per Adult, 12 and up. Open 9 AM Sat & Sun. _www.Allentowntrainmeet.com_ (http://www.allentowntrainmeet.com/) for more info. Jim "see you in Allentown" Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42131	From: Edward G.	Date: 11/8/2006
Subject: MTH negotiates no-cost Union Pacific licensing deal for all manufac

MTH negotiates no-cost Union Pacific licensing deal for all manufacturers Print | Email | Contact Us November 8, 2006 MTH President Mike Wolf Standing firm on principle, Mike Wolf, president and owner of MTH Electric Trains, has negotiated a new royalty-free licensing deal with the Union Pacific Railroad that extends to all model railroad manufacturers and their products in all scales. "It was the right thing to do," Wolf said in an exclusive interview with Kalmbach Publishing Co., publisher of CLASSIC TOY TRAINS magazine. Wolf announced that the deal, reached November 2, 2006, is royalty- free and continues in perpetuity. "It's the best thing for the long- term health of the hobby," Wolf said, forsaking any advantages that MTH would have gained from negotiating a deal only for itself. Bob Turner, senior vice president Corporate Relations for Union Pacific, said in a prepared statement, "Mike Wolf is to be commended for his commitment to the model railroad industry. His energy and passion helped us find a solution that will better reflect the positive relationship that Union Pacific and the model train industry have enjoyed for many years." Three strong reasons The Union Pacific sued MTH in 2005, stating that the model train manufacturer continued to produce Union Pacific-branded trains in violation of the railroad's 2002 licensing program. Rather than give in, MTH chose to defend itself on principle. "It was wrong. They [Union Pacific] had supported us in our manufacturing efforts, and we spent $5 million in tooling just for their trains, like the Big Boy, Challenger, and turbines," Wolf said emphatically. The original Union Pacific licensing program called for a five-year agreement, which Wolf also faulted. "There was no long-term security in that deal," he pointed out. "After five years, who knows what could be happening, and manufacturers have already invested in tooling." Wolf also was concerned that if MTH didn't stand up against Union Pacific's licensing program, other railroads - Wolf gave Burlington Northern Santa Fe and Norfolk Southern as examples - might in time demand similar royalties that would hurt the hobby. He said that he would like to see all railroads adopt a model-railroad licensing program identical to the new deal with Union Pacific. All roads, all manufacturers The new agreement covers all model railroad manufacturers, including MTH rival Lionel L.L.C. Companies making model trains will need to contact Union Pacific to learn specifics and to be covered under the new program, Wolf said. Under the terms of the agreement, manufacturers must continue to use professional materials and maintain high standards when creating Union Pacific-branded trains. The agreement covers not only historic road names, such as the Southern Pacific and Chicago & North Western, but all future Union Pacific logos and slogans. "At first Union Pacific didn't want to let go of that," Wolf said. In 2002, Union Pacific enacted its licensing program. The railroad asked model train manufacturers, apparel manufacturers, and others seeking licenses to pay royalties for the use of the Union Pacific shield emblem and insignias of railroads absorbed into the Union Pacific, including the Southern Pacific, Western Pacific, Chicago & North Western, Missouri Pacific, Denver & Rio Grande, and Missouri- Kansas-Texas (Katy). The original program drew the ire of model railroad manufacturers by asking for a 3 percent royalty on all model railroad products bearing Union Pacific and merged-road logos or a 0.5 percent payment based on total sales of model railroad products. The program also required manufacturers to reveal to Union Pacific their business strategies for Union Pacific models, including marketing budgets, manufacturing details, distribution channels, and sales goals. Union Pacific filed a lawsuit against Lionel in 2004 accusing it of failing to comply with the railroad's licensing program. In December of 2005, Union Pacific filed a similar suit against MTH. In spring of 2006, Lionel and MTH made an agreement to work together against the lawsuit. Lionel, however, announced in September that it had reached a private agreement with Union Pacific. Most other model railroad manufacturers agreed to the terms of the licensing program. Started with calendars Wolf credits Nils Huxtable of Steamscenes calendars for getting the ball rolling against the original licensing program. Huxtable, whose company produces Union Pacific and Southern Pacific calendars, challenged the Union Pacific's demands using his own money, Wolf said. "Give that guy credit. He stood up and fought for his principles. He's my hero," Wolf said. Huxtable is included in the new licensing provisions, but other non-model railroad licensees are not covered, Wolf said. Part of the new agreement calls for commemorative MTH models of SD70ACe locomotives in Union Pacific colors and bearing the logos of model railroad manufacturers and the Union Pacific. Wolf said he hopes all manufacturers lend their logos for use on the locomotives. He left the door open to an arrangement between MTH and other manufacturers in HO and N scales to produce similarly marked SD70ACe diesels. Wolf said that sales of MTH locomotives and cars in Union Pacific colors had dropped noticeably as negative publicity toward the licensing program grew. He now foresees sales of Union Pacific branded model trains returning to their pre-licensing levels. Soft spot for model trains Past experience gave MTH the nerve to challenge the Union Pacific lawsuit, Wolf said. In response to the suit, MTH's attorneys subpoenaed tens of thousands of documents related to the Union Pacific and model railroading, down to the level of any Union Pacific employee e-mails that mentioned model railroading. Wolf added that while lobbying against the licensing program through business and even Congressional contacts he has made over the years, he frequently ran across professionals outside of the hobby who had a soft spot for model railroading. "No question, the love of model trains played a role in the issue. It made it easy to distinguish right from wrong," Wolf said

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42132	From: Mr wayne broadhead	Date: 11/8/2006
Subject: Re: belts slipping off Lionel #789 Baggage Smasher

Randy, I have not had any trouble with my lionel Baggage Smasher at all. I have used it now for over a year, and my grandkids run it quite a bit. Now, one person in our club did have trouble with his baggage smasher when it first came out. His just quit running after normal/heavy usage at on of our train shows. His Smasher lasted one night (grin).j Wayne Broadhead Golden Spike AF club ____________________________________________________________________________________ Sponsored Link Degrees online in as fast as 1 Yr - MBA, Bachelor's, Master's, Associate Click now to apply http://yahoo.degrees.info

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42133	From: fireladdie2003	Date: 11/8/2006
Subject: American Flyer by Lionel

When did Lionel start using the new type diecast trucks on their freight cars? I have just purchased the 2004 AF/Lionel Southern work train set and I like the apperance of the freight trucks. Thanks, Tom Davis(fireladdie2003)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42134	From: Eric R.	Date: 11/8/2006
Subject: DRGW AM set for Sale

I have a Denver Rio Grande Western Passenger set for Sale. This is the American Models ABA PA1 engine set. A Powered, B sound, A Powered., Hi-Rail, AC Powered. http://www.americanmodels.com/locos/pa-1.html http://www.americanmodels.com/_photos/0543-073.jpg The Cars are the 5 car set of passenger cars plus the extra coach car. All lighted with silhouettes. http://www.americanmodels.com/rolling.stock/72.foot.pass.html http://www.americanmodels.com/_photos/1455-046.jpg Everything is in excellent condition, They have been on a shelf for a while so there is a little dust but I don't see any scratches. Everything has its original boxes. The Engines are long sold out in this scheme. Engine set list is $565, pass car list is $319, spare coach is $65 for a total of $949.00 I'll let them go, shipping included to USA48 for $770.00 Eric Reis Kenmore, Wa Ebay er099 TCA 87-26227 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42135	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 11/9/2006
Subject: Re: American Flyer by Lionel

Maybe, just maybe, Flyonel will start to use the SPRUNG die-cast trucks K-Line made when they entered the S-Ga fray. Still don't approach the quality of S-Helper, but certainly look better. THEN maybe Flyonel will replace the stamped tin floor A C G debuted in 1948 (tooling cost recovery was the excuse) with a detailed floor such as the competetion sells for LESS. I'll have lots of S-Helper (attractively priced) at Allentown this weekend along with the Flyonel Mikes and PRR sets( also attractively priced). Stop by and say "HI". Jim " see you in Allentown" Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42136	From: Keith Blanchard	Date: 11/9/2006
Subject: Pine Canyon News Advert

Hi Gang, It has been a long time since we let you all know what we are up to in the Canyon. Rigsby Freight is now coming off the line again. This new version includes a set of crates and a new end wall with cargo doors. This new end wall panel will allow trucks to be positioned parallel with the tracks for better viewing. On other news, Howard's Drive-in is moving along very nicely. Still shooting for Christmas on this one. There will be a surprise project which sprang up as sort of a bi-product of this kit. Also for later in next year, we have a steam era brick 2-stall engine house and a supply or factory structure in the works. No details available on the supply structure, but the engine house footprint and door size will be posted on the site soon. Here is a link to the S page http://www.pinecanyonscalemodels.com/s-scalekits.htm Happy Railroading, Keith Blanchard http://www.pinecanyonscalemodels.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42137	From: Phil K	Date: 11/9/2006
Subject: Re: American Flyer by Lionel

It already has been announced that Lionel will be using the K-Line S trucks on all of its American Flyer rolling stock -- I assume this will happen when the current inventory is depleted. There is a good reason the K-Line trucks look like the S-Helper trucks. That's because Maury Klein copied them. Both roll far better than and are superior to Flyonel trucks. Phil K **************************************************************** --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, WJJIM@... wrote: > > Maybe, just maybe, Flyonel will start to use the SPRUNG die-cast trucks > K-Line made when they entered the S-Ga fray. Still don't approach the quality of > S-Helper, but certainly look better. THEN maybe Flyonel will replace the > stamped tin floor A C G debuted in 1948 (tooling cost recovery was the excuse) > with a detailed floor such as the competetion sells for LESS. > > I'll have lots of S-Helper (attractively priced) at Allentown this weekend > along with the Flyonel Mikes and PRR sets( also attractively priced). Stop by > and say "HI". > > Jim " see you in Allentown" Lyle > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42138	From: Bruce D. Willis	Date: 11/9/2006
Subject: Re: MTH negotiates no-cost Union Pacific licensing deal for all man

I'm not sure my first post got through - I had an error message - so I'll try again. I think it would be appropriate for us to flood the UP with emails of "Thanks" at least as much as we flooded them with complaints when the mess started. And Thanks to Mike Wolf, too. - Bruce --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Edward G." <am-flyr@...> wrote: > > > MTH negotiates no-cost Union Pacific licensing deal for all > manufacturers

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42139	From: Dave W	Date: 11/9/2006
Subject: Mobilgas tankcar decals?

Just got a Pikemaster (I think)Mobilgas tank car that needs some TLC. That slight distortion in the printing is kinda cool..... Anyway,are there any Mobilgas decals out there , and is there a good red paint match? Thanks folks, Dave W

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42140	From: David Dewey	Date: 11/10/2006
Subject: Some questions on the new heavyweights & log dump cars

Hi all, My add-on cars have arrived (and another box is on the way, at 14+ lbs, maybe it's the rest of the cars??) and the new log dump car. Some observations & questions. Heavyweights: the windows look like they are too low on the body, I don't recall seeing prototype cars with such a tall surface above the windows (upper letterboard?). Anyone know where there are some prototype pics to look at? Log dump car. The contact finger does not spring upwards, although it does spring downwards! I don't see how this can work properly when it contacts the action rail. Anyone else notice this? I am also wondering how this can be re-engineered to work with the to-come K-line trucks. I read a comment about when detailed undercarriages will replace the tin floors. Hmm, guess I'm a toy train guy at heart--I don't see the undercarriage when the trains are running right--now when things go wrong, well!! S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42141	From: Mark Preman	Date: 11/10/2006
Subject: Thanksgiving Sale

Let's get the holiday/train season off to a fun start.......... How about a 20% off sale on all passenger cars on my list during the month of November. (subject to prior sale) Gobble - gobble them up! Happy Thanksgiving! And..... don't forget to checkout the new ODDS&ENDS page. You can find it all at http://www.americanflyertrains.com Mark Mark B. Preman AmericanFlyerTrains.com --------------------------------- Cheap Talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42142	From: hobo47203	Date: 11/11/2006
Subject: Event Reminder

The Hoosier S Gaugers would like to invite you to attend the Third Annual Indianapolis S Show this coming Saturday November 18th. We are again holding the event at the Carmel Lions Club located at 141 East Main Street in Carmel,IN. Show Hours are 10 to 3, addmission is just $5. The Show is again a sellout and will feature the scale layout of the Hoosier S Gaugers and the NASG Switching layout. The Dinning Car, home of the 40 foot (S Scale) hot dog manned by Miss Barbara will again be open for you dinning pleasure. For those in town on Friday evening we will again be having our informal dinner get together at Shapiro's Restaurant starting at 6 until 8pm for food, conversation and the popular "Bring and Brag" where we ask you to bring a current S modeling project to show and share with the group. Shapiro's is located at 918 S. Rangeline Road in Carmel and dinner is on your own. For more information contact Charles Malinowski at (317) 556-1748 or by e-mail ay bmry1905@... We hope to see you there! Bob Morrison Hoosier S Gaugers

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42143	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 11/11/2006
Subject: Re: Chicago and Alton Passenger Set

My good buddy Bob Conner from here in Jacksonville just called and said that something came into the station before it was supposed to. Bob was elated to say that he received his set! 'THE CHICAGO and ALTON PASSENGER TRAIN! WOW however, he hasn't received his 4 pack and 2 pack UP Passenger cars, I have received the 2 pack and am wonder is my two big Northerns are going to jist pull the 2 pack around for Christmas? Any word out here on the mailing of the UP cars? Jerry Matsick

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42144	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 11/11/2006
Subject: C AND A SET

THEY HAVE ARRIVED....... GOT GHICAGO AND ALTON SET THIS MORNING....HAVEN'T OPENED THE MASTER BOX YET.... BOB [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42145	From: T Larson	Date: 11/11/2006
Subject: 1:64th Scale Vehicles

Now that Pieter Roos has started a Yahoo list for discussion of S scale vehicles, some news regarding newly available vehicles has shifted to that list. I encourage anyone who has an interest in increasing the variety and size accuracy of vehicles for their layout to join 64VintageVehicles Yahoo list. -- Ted Larson If at first you don't succeed......... DON'T try Skydiving!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42146	From: Gerald L Shultz Sr.	Date: 11/11/2006
Subject: Rock Island GP 7 #6-48033

Hi, Anyone have a Flyonel RI #6-48033 gp-7 TO SELL OR POSSIBLE TRADE?? If so, please contact me @ glshultzsr@... Thanks, Gerald Sr.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42147	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 11/11/2006
Subject: Train show and modular set-up, East Lansing Michigan

There's a train show tomorrow, Sun 12 Nov, at the Michigan State University Pavilion, near the Mt Hope & Farm Lane intersection on the south side of the MSU campus, East Lansing. I will be there, dba Michigan Models, with several tables of new AM, SHS, &c. Look for the big red S sign. The Southeastern Michigan S Gaugers will have a modular RR set up that will include the famous gantlet (not gauntlet, look it up) multi-section module, which hasn't been seen in 10 years or more; and a multi-section module representing the Grayling [MI] yard, never seen before in public. Stop by and say hello. Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42148	From: Eric R.	Date: 11/11/2006
Subject: Looking for ED --- edzdan@yahoo.com

Ed, I have not heard back from you at all, did my emails get through? Let me know what you want to do. . DRGW Eric Reis [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42149	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 11/11/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 3233 Re: L-AF heavyweights

Dave: On pages 387 and 388 of Staufer's "Pennsy Power III" There are pictures of the Pullman-built "Colonel Lindbergh" and the "Elks Club" that appear to be consistent with the designs of my new Chicago and Alton cars, less (of course) the shortened length. We may have gotten used to what Gilbert's heavyweights look like over the years and the new ones are, well, different. The Lionel Flyer Chicago and Alton "Alton Limited" set arrived today. Looks sharp, runs well, and sounds great under TMCC. The new heavyweights (in Tuscan with red stripes and silver roofs) are visually striking and slip through Gilbert switches without a hitch. The passenger cars have a good balance between having lots of details and "heft." The new matching Pacific is very handsome. This is one of the nicest steam passenger sets ever done in S. I do not have the log dump car, but I do have a coal dump car and it works fine with a Gilbert accessory rail. Bob Bubeck In a message dated 11/11/2006 8:33:44 AM Eastern Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes: Hi all, My add-on cars have arrived (and another box is on the way, at 14+ lbs, maybe it's the rest of the cars??) and the new log dump car. Some observations & questions. Heavyweights: the windows look like they are too low on the body, I don't recall seeing prototype cars with such a tall surface above the windows (upper letterboard?). Anyone know where there are some prototype pics to look at? Log dump car. The contact finger does not spring upwards, although it does spring downwards! I don't see how this can work properly when it contacts the action rail. Anyone else notice this? I am also wondering how this can be re-engineered to work with the to-come K-line trucks.I read a comment about when detailed undercarriages will replace the tin floors. Hmm, guess I'm a toy train guy at heart--I don't see the undercarriage when the trains are running right--now when things go wrong, well!! S' David D. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42150	From: Eric R.	Date: 11/11/2006
Subject: Thinning Some S Helper cars.

I Need to thin out some of my overgrown S Helper collection to get down to the layout. I have the following 10 items to sell. First 9 are new in the box, never run, as from SHS. Most are long sold out 1. 00217 Caboose, unlettered, red. $35 2. 01625 3 bay PS2 hopper Domino $30 3. 01638 Refer OTOE $30 4. 01143 PS2 2 bay hopper BN gray $25 5. 00707 Box Car - Rebuilt DGRW silver, Special $35 6. 01162 flat car GN#2 Green $30 7. 01129 box car GN #2 Red 34420 $30 8. 00686 Refer NP #1 900423 $30 9. 00062 Stock Car NP 24001 Red $25 These ore cars have been taken out of the box and had the optional Kadee style couplers attached. They have been returned to stock form and only test run. 10. 00732 Ore Car Set CP silver $125 These are sold out. Prices do not include shipping, Shipping will be actual USPS shipping. Eric Reis P.O. Box 82126 Kenmore, Wa. 98028 TCA and NASG since 1986 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42151	From: Keith Blanchard	Date: 11/12/2006
Subject: More Pine Canyon News advertisement

Hi again gang, We just want to share with you the good news that we are again offering free shipping on all retail orders within the continental USA. Also, though we no longer offer our individual parts, we are expanding on our line of detail mini-kits. The first is a re-issue of our gas station island kit with upgraded parts. Also an upgrade kit for our early gas station kit. Now you can add the interior parts, fancy tire racks and graphics to the early version. The mini-kits will be easier for our dealers to handle than the individual parts. http://www.pinecanyonscalemodels.com/detail_parts_s.htm Still working hard on the Howard's Drive-in, Keith Blanchard

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42152	From: louis glumac	Date: 11/12/2006
Subject: for sale

some American flyer stuff for sale, BUMPERS $10 EACH 717 LOG CAR WITH 2 LOGS, LC $40 734 LC $40 970 SMITTY $45 VERY NICE CAR 961,962,963 RED STRIPES, BUT VERY RUSTY BOTTOMS, CARS LOOK GOOD $99 CONTACT ME AT lglumac@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42153	From: Roger Walton	Date: 11/13/2006
Subject: info on Frankie Merson

Mike Vandiver asked for some contact info on Frankie Merson in S-Trains digest #3231. According to the TCA Directory, you should be able to reach him at (301) 904-1788 or via email at maxspeed28@.... Roger Walton TCA 87-26593 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42154	From: Bret	Date: 11/13/2006
Subject: need folks interested in starting club in south west burbs of chica

HI everyone My name is Bret i live in the joliet,IL. area. . I am 31 and have revitalized my love of trains with the help of my father and his original AF trains. In the last 5 years I have collected, repaired and run AF equipment including some accessories. I am looking for folks in the area that would like to start a S or AF model train club in this area. The purpose of this club will be to getogether and have fun running af trains. as wellas the following. To help construct hi-railtables for show and donation to local charities including boys and girls club. To help educate families on the joy of modeltrains. Activities would include a model train show and swap for S gauge at least annually and eventually winter monthly. Looking to have something set up for feb or march(too late for this year?)that will include multiple scales. also performing fundrasiers for local charities. With the proper advertising and a strong backing this will be big. In fact I already have three local venders that have shown interest in being involved with a show swap in this area!!! A few shows have come and gone but when you only hear about them from word of mouth it is difficult to keep them going. Remember these trains and the memmories of them have kept many going for many years. one look and your hooked ITS POWERFUL!!!!! Please anyone with any ideas or interested e-mail me off list at jadenralph@... I will reply as soon as I can usually within 2 days i will be uploading some pictures of my last years christmas display just look for BRETS CHRISTMAS thank you Bret

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42155	From: clifma19@cox.net	Date: 11/13/2006
Subject: 45 degree crossing

I am looking for a 45 degree crossing for American Flyer in high rail. I need it for a Christmas layout I am creating for the club to go in a store window. I am willing to use new or used as long as it is in working condition. As you can guess, time is of the essence. Thanks, Cliff Manning Topeka, KS

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42156	From: Don	Date: 11/14/2006
Subject: Knuckle couplers

I did it. I set up the #4 layout in the AF instruction book (70"x115", 4 switches and a X-over) on my living room floor over the weekend. Hooked up a 100 W transformer and ran an old #300 loco that I had SnS install a can motor and new electronic reverse unit. This train hasn't been run since the late 50's. This layout is bigger than anything I remember as a kid. We used to use the top of a ping pong table limiting the size to about 4'x8'. Ran like a top until I hit one of the switches. Somehow, I never did figure out why, when in a position toward the center of the layout the track powered up and the train ran even when I removed the track terminal. It would chatter occasionally, also. I tried everything I could think of but could not duplicate the condition when I removed the switch. I could find nothing wrong with the switch or the controller. I finally hooked up a 35W transformer to the switches and the 100W to the track terminal. Now, everything works as it should. Now, my question, before I mess up, a few of the knuckle couplers are a little sticky. What's the best way to clean out the old dust and dirt? Soap, water and toothbrush? I could use my wife's while she's at work. She'll never know. And should the couplers be oiled? On advice I got some Wahls shaver oil and I have a dentists syringe to microdrop oil.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42157	From: Jeffrey Madden	Date: 11/14/2006
Subject: FW: NASG 2007

>From: "Blum, David" <David.Blum@...> >To: nasgdispatch@... >Subject: NASG 2007 >Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 09:37:38 -0500 > >Jeff, > >This is an update on the 2007 convention. > >1) The orioles baseball team will be in town the weekend of July 12-15. >This will affect the prices and availability of rooms outside the rooms >blocked out for the convention. > >ACTION: book your rooms now! > >2) Saturday, 7/14, we will have train races for the following categories, >American Flyer (stock, pre 70's), New mfg since 1970, stock, and open >(modified or self built) > >ACTION: bring your fastest engine. > >3) The hospitality room will be adjacent the layouts and the clubs running >the layouts will run your equipment that you bring or buy. > >ACTION: be prepared to run trains with your buddies. > >4) The modeling will include American Flyer Imagineering. > >ACTION: Create a structure or accessory using Gilbert parts (when possible) >so that the resultant product resembles something Gilbert/American Flyer >would have produced > _________________________________________________________________ Get today's hot entertainment gossip http://movies.msn.com/movies/hotgossip?icid=T002MSN03A07001

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42158	From: Bill Lane	Date: 11/14/2006
Subject: Re: need folks interested in starting club in south west burbs of c

Hi Bret, The Chicago area already is a hot spot for S activity, including having one of the oldest S clubs in the counrty. Perhaps instead of starting a new club, it would be asier to join existing clubs. See: http://www.nasg.org/sclubinfo.htm Good Luck, Bill Lane --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Bret" <jadenralph@...> wrote: > > HI everyone > My name is Bret i live in the joliet,IL. area. . I am 31 and > have revitalized my love of trains with the help of my father and > his original AF trains. In the last 5 years I have collected, > repaired and run AF equipment including some accessories. > > I am looking for folks in the area that would like to start a S > or AF model train club in this area. The purpose of this club will > be to getogether and have fun running af trains. as wellas the > following. To help construct hi-railtables for show and donation > to local charities including boys and girls club. To help educate > families on the joy of modeltrains. Activities would include a > model train show and swap for S gauge at least annually and > eventually winter monthly. Looking to have something set up for feb > or march(too late for this year?)that will include multiple scales. > also performing fundrasiers for local charities. With the proper > advertising and a strong backing this will be big. In fact I > already have three local venders that have shown interest in being > involved with a show swap in this area!!! A few shows have come and > gone but when you only hear about them from word of mouth it is > difficult to keep them going. > > Remember these trains and the memmories of them have kept many going > for many years. one look and your hooked ITS POWERFUL!!!!! > > Please anyone with any ideas or interested e-mail me off list at > jadenralph@... > > I will reply as soon as I can usually within 2 days > > i will be uploading some pictures of my last years christmas display > just look for BRETS CHRISTMAS > > thank you > Bret >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42159	From: Phil K	Date: 11/14/2006
Subject: American Hi-Rail information -- RDCs, rotary snow plows, etc.

Since I posted the information from S Fest about Tom Hodgson's new American Hi-Rail rotary snowplows, etc., I have received more emails than anticipated requesting his contact information. Many emails were asking questions I can't answer -- like availability of previous products see on my personal photo album (DL- 109 shells, 20th Century Limited Dreyfuss shell, Burlington Zephyr, Aerotrain, Milwaukee Road Hiawatha 4-4-2 shell, etc.) Rather than answer each individually (which would take mucho time), I'll simply offer it here. Again, I have no idea regarding the availablity of any of his products -- so ask him yourself. Be forewarned: Tom is a busy man, thanks to his "real" job (pilot), and therefore he is sometimes hard to catch. And says he has no time to read email, either, so I won't publish his email address. Just keep trying on the land line. Sooner or later, you'll connect. Here's his contact info: American Hi-Rail R. Tom Hodgson Spring Grove, Illinois Phone: (847)587-1116 Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42160	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 11/14/2006
Subject: Kinda late comments about the S-Fest

Hello all; Having 3 big shows in a row to attend, some health problems, and a defective cable aerial line has limited me from being on here. But, now that I can get on here I would like to comment on the Fest. First off, WHAT A WONDERFUL SHOW!!! These boys did a superb job!!! There isn't anything that they hadn't thought of. A beautiful hall in a easy to get to location, nice layouts (not to mention Clay's), the Lifesaver train, etc. Great attendance, lots of kids, you name it. Just a super job, extremely well done. Some friends from afar were displaying their wares; The Clarks, Vanacores, Pecks, Mike Farner, Bill McKie. All were having the same good time as I. Tony Papador, AF parts from Wisconsin stopped by and is back in the game after some health problems. Good to see him and find that he is now back to normal. The trip back east is especially enjoyable, as I travel the state roads thru Illinois, Indiana and Ohio, where you can get a better glimpse of "Small town, USA", not to mention miles and miles of corn. One of these trips I have to remember my camera.. In closing, I would like to thank all that made this event possible. It was well worth the trip. "S" is definitely alive in the Mid-west... Fred [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42161	From: Phil K	Date: 11/14/2006
Subject: S Fest convention cars & trucks

Won't know until after this weekend whether we will have any of the Fall S Fest boxcars left over. If so, there will only be a very few. But there will be some S Fest trucks available for anyone who wasn't able to join us in person. The style of the tractor is a 1:64 Mack CJ cab-over engine tractor with a 28' bullnose trailer. The tractor is circa 1933 so it will fit into most eras being modeled. These are very, very nice, made by Tonkin in the American Highway Legends scheme as once made by Hartoy. The graphics are spectacular. Cost is $16.95 plus S&H. You can see photos at: http://www.trainweb.org/casg/sfest_truck.html Email Will Holt at willowassocwill1@... or call 630-969-1982 if you'd like to order the S Fest tractor/trailer combo. Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42162	From: Charles E. Smith	Date: 11/14/2006
Subject: Re: Knuckle couplers

Don't oil the knuckles. Brush out any grime and clean them with some mild detergent. Dry them off so springs and pins can't rust. Rule #2 NEVER, EVER oil a link coupler. Chuck Smith, http://www.trainweb.org/chucksmith On matters of style swim with the current. On matters of substance stand like a rock. Thos. Jefferson (may be paraphrased) ----- Original Message ----- From: Don To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 8:55 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Knuckle couplers I did it. I set up the #4 layout in the AF instruction book (70"x115", 4 switches and a X-over) on my living room floor over the weekend. Hooked up a 100 W transformer and ran an old #300 loco that I had SnS install a can motor and new electronic reverse unit. This train hasn't been run since the late 50's. This layout is bigger than anything I remember as a kid. We used to use the top of a ping pong table limiting the size to about 4'x8'. Ran like a top until I hit one of the switches. Somehow, I never did figure out why, when in a position toward the center of the layout the track powered up and the train ran even when I removed the track terminal. It would chatter occasionally, also. I tried everything I could think of but could not duplicate the condition when I removed the switch. I could find nothing wrong with the switch or the controller. I finally hooked up a 35W transformer to the switches and the 100W to the track terminal. Now, everything works as it should. Now, my question, before I mess up, a few of the knuckle couplers are a little sticky. What's the best way to clean out the old dust and dirt? Soap, water and toothbrush? I could use my wife's while she's at work. She'll never know. And should the couplers be oiled? On advice I got some Wahls shaver oil and I have a dentists syringe to microdrop oil. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42163	From: ddalessandroit	Date: 11/14/2006
Subject: WANTED!! SHS PRR Merchandise Service Boxcars, Silver and White Stri

Guys, this is my first post in years so bear with me if this is in the wrong area. I am looking for a few S-Helper Service PRR Merchandise Service Boxcars, Silver and White Stripe Merchandise Service Box cars and the Black and Silver S Scale Showcase Line Center of Georgia Box Car. Please call me @ 215-467-3948 if you can help or E mail me @ Rockfish1976@... Thanks David Dalessandro

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42164	From: SnSTrains@aol.com	Date: 11/14/2006
Subject: SnS Trains Holiday closure

Hi everyone, S-'n-S Trains will be closed from Friday Nov. 17 until Monday Nov. 26. I can be reached on cell phone 208-631-1430 If you need an answer to something technical, but I can't help you with any information on orders or repair status until I return. Happy Thanksgiving to you all. Steve S-'n-S Trains American Flyer replacement can motors S-Gauge Videos American Flyer repair S and O gauge track cleaners 3239 Pepperwood Dr. Boise, Idaho 83704 208-376-1159 SnStrains@... www.s-scaletrains.com/s-n-s/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42165	From: SnSTrains@aol.com	Date: 11/14/2006
Subject: S-Gauge video close out

S-'n-S Trains is offering the last of the VHS video tapes "S-Gauge Model Railroading" that we have left as a Thanksgiving special. They are being offered at $10 each. We have 3 copies of Volume II, 2 copies of Vol. III, and 3 copies of Vol.IV left. Everything from here on will be on DVD although we can still make tapes on special order if needed by someone. Happy Thanksgiving to all. Steve S-'n-S Trains American Flyer replacement can motors S-Gauge Videos American Flyer repair S and O gauge track cleaners 3239 Pepperwood Dr. Boise, Idaho 83704 208-376-1159 SnStrains@... www.s-scaletrains.com/s-n-s/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42166	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 11/15/2006
Subject: Flyer, Hi-rail or scale?

I know, I know, this comes up every once in a while, but never seems to get resolved. In a recent discussion about turnouts I voiced the opinion that scale is well taken care of and so is the tinplate side of our hobby; that it is Hi-rail which is lacking in turnouts options. To my surprise, the response I got was Hi-rail has the most and scale could use a bit more-somebody help me. What is what? To me, it is all a question of your rail choice, that is, it has nothing to do with scenery, accessories or couplers (though they are a statement, of course). If you use scale rail and run brass engines on a plywood tabletop with ACG accessories, aren't you still running scale? Does the NASG have any definitions regarding this? If they don't, would anyone like to make a proposal? I have my ideas, but I'll wait to here yours. Tom Stoltz Tom's Turnouts & Trackwork Maine S Gaugers NASG http://s-scale.org/albums/v/s-vendors/Stoltz/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42167	From: Roy Inman	Date: 11/15/2006
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Flyer, Hi-rail or scale?

It sure is a conundrum Tom. Seems to me that the historical definitions for what is scale and what is hi-rail has gotten a bit fuzzy. I prefer as much detail in my equipment as I can afford, yet prefer hi-rail wheelsets. I like a scale coaling tower, but also like AF operating accessories. We were limited in turnout choices for our club modular layout because some members run scale wheelsets, others run original AF, SHS, AM, and Flyonel. Compatibility was our main objective. Roy Inman From: Thomas Stoltz <tstoltz@...> Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 17:56:00 -0500 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, nasgmembers@yahoogroups.com Subject: {S-Scale List} Flyer, Hi-rail or scale? I know, I know, this comes up every once in a while, but never seems to get resolved. In a recent discussion about turnouts I voiced the opinion that scale is well taken care of and so is the tinplate side of our hobby; that it is Hi-rail which is lacking in turnouts options. To my surprise, the response I got was Hi-rail has the most and scale could use a bit more-somebody help me. What is what? To me, it is all a question of your rail choice, that is, it has nothing to do with scenery, accessories or couplers (though they are a statement, of course). If you use scale rail and run brass engines on a plywood tabletop with ACG accessories, aren't you still running scale? Does the NASG have any definitions regarding this? If they don't, would anyone like to make a proposal? I have my ideas, but I'll wait to here yours. Tom Stoltz Tom's Turnouts & Trackwork Maine S Gaugers NASG http://s-scale.org/albums/v/s-vendors/Stoltz/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42168	From: Trains	Date: 11/15/2006
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Flyer, Hi-rail or scale?

Well Tom You have the working answer... Make switches and track work for both scale and AF style stuff.....and your switches look great and work really well at slow and high speed with both scale and AF wheels and flanges/couplers/cars. I have scratch built code 125 double crossings in a curved setion of track and "borrowed your design inovatons for the "frog" on your switches and applied the same to the crossings....looks great and works great. My point is that unless you can do what you are doing and SHS/AM doing that allow both scale and AF to work or be addapted to the same switch/crossing/track/cars and engines...your waisting effort and valuable marketing resourses. What ever is made in S for production should be adaptable to both scale and AF to survive fiancially. The largest market out their are the AF/Hi-railers, the smallest group are the nitty - picky rivet counters, and frankly, then why not go the whole hog and use code 83, code 70 rail, an exactly correct gauge for 4'-81/2" and true size flanges /wheel widths etc.,etc. I want to be clear that I don't have a problem with this at all, in fact I admire exacting model building, and have counted myself amongst those rareified detail nuts....however for just having a lot of fun and playing trains: the smoke, choo-choo and whistle of an AF steamer gives me goose bumps and does it for me. I don't deminish or put anyones interest, leanings and preferences to S down....they are all wonderfull in this great scale of S. What I am intrested in is not excluding anyone from benefiting, when a manufacturer/marketer of S products is going to put something out their for us then the higher the number of S people who will buy this item is, the more likely it is to get marketed and the cost drops in proportion to number of items made. We all win!!! This is the nature of things....and it has been a long standing sore point for S, and frankly I think it's time to quit uppity attitude of some who think they are better because they are "pure" S scalers, and look down on anybody that uses anything larger than code 100 rail to run on. Everyone shares in the same 3/16"=1'-0" scale and everyone benefits from the largest marketing appeal we can generate...this to me, is what is important for the continued success and growth of S and to the point of track made for the S ....its best if it can work for both scale and Hi-rail/AF Thank you Tom Stoltz, Don Thompson, Ron Bashista and those who I have neglected to mention, who consider the BIG picture of marketing to all S gauger...hello Lionel...??? Dr. K. Loeb (Peter) ----- Original Message ----- From: Thomas Stoltz To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com ; S-Scale@yahoogroups.com ; nasgmembers@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 2:56 PM Subject: {S-Scale List} Flyer, Hi-rail or scale? I know, I know, this comes up every once in a while, but never seems to get resolved. In a recent discussion about turnouts I voiced the opinion that scale is well taken care of and so is the tinplate side of our hobby; that it is Hi-rail which is lacking in turnouts options. To my surprise, the response I got was Hi-rail has the most and scale could use a bit more-somebody help me. What is what? To me, it is all a question of your rail choice, that is, it has nothing to do with scenery, accessories or couplers (though they are a statement, of course). If you use scale rail and run brass engines on a plywood tabletop with ACG accessories, aren't you still running scale? Does the NASG have any definitions regarding this? If they don't, would anyone like to make a proposal? I have my ideas, but I'll wait to here yours. Tom Stoltz Tom's Turnouts & Trackwork Maine S Gaugers NASG http://s-scale.org/albums/v/s-vendors/Stoltz/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42169	From: Bruce D. Willis	Date: 11/15/2006
Subject: Lionel Santa Fe Passenger Set Values

There has been little on ebay and I don't get to any of the major meets, so I need your input on component values. If I had a complete set of the Lionel Santa Fe passenger cars and engines (ABA + 6 cars), what would be the relative values of the 4 components (AA, B, 4 pak, 2 pak)? My initial cut/guess: AA - 38% B - 18% 4 pak - 30% 2 pak - 14% Thanks, Bruce W.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42170	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 11/16/2006
Subject: Re;Flyer Hi-rail or scale?

While Al Kalmbach was among the first to advocate using toy trains or toy train parts to "model" railroad in the thirties, I think it was Louis Hertz who came up with the definition of "High Rail" after WWII. Hertz wrote copiously on both toy and model trains during that time and defined trains three ways as I recall: "Toy" trains were those made for the children's trade and made no attemt to be of any scale. "Model" trains were for the adult hobbyist who desired realistic trains in scale. "High Rail" were created by model railroaders using toy train parts, usually scale bodies and toy trucks, couplers, and rail (Probably why he called it High Rail.) By this definition Gilbert's post war Flyer trains are "High Rail" even though they were made for the toy trade! Modern manufacturers further blur the line by making scale bodies that can use either toy trucks and couplers or scale trucks and couplers. American Models and S Helper track will accept either type wheels as well. (But don't try to run scale wheels on Gargraves track.) Stumpy Stone...Hi-railer (the new spelling) in Appalachia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42171	From: mvandiver2@aol.com	Date: 11/16/2006
Subject: Address

Thanks to all of you who helped me get information about locating Frankie Merson. Mike Vandiver [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42172	From: colleenandrob	Date: 11/16/2006
Subject: Recent Purchase questions and help 342 Engine

Hello all, I recently purchased what was advertised as a 342. I do believe by looking at the number plate that something else should be next to the 342. It appears it could have had the letters AC next to it. The numbers just don't seem centered. Also I can't get it to run. I used the tender to power another engine and although it has a sticky e-unit it does work. My question concerns setting up a way to test the engine for power by attaching position and negative probes to the panel where the tender wires attach to the engine. I've never done this before so I need some help. I've included pictures of the engine (including the back panel) and I was wondering what holes I use for the negative and positive. The back panel looks like this: ----------------------- . * * . . . . * * . ----------------------- What do I stick in the upper left and right holes as well as the lower left and right to test if the engine will turn? Please no jokes!! The pictures are in the album called Bronx Boy Flyer. Thank you for any help you can give me. Rob

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42173	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 11/16/2006
Subject: Re: Flyer, Hi-rail or scale?

Hi Tom & Peter & all, When I have it to do over again I would use code 148 track & Tom's turnouts. But for now I have weathered Gargraves track and old Gilbert switches. The Gilbert switches let me set up blocks on sidings so I can run 2 or 3 trains on a one track main line. I still have a lot of buildings and scenery to model. This is the progress on my "Hi-Rail S Gauge layout. http://kulpritterpics.homestead.com/STONY_CREEK_RR.html Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: Trains To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com ; S-Scale@yahoogroups.com ; nasgmembers@yahoogroups.com ; Thomas Stoltz Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 7:21 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: {S-Scale List} Flyer, Hi-rail or scale? Well Tom You have the working answer... Make switches and track work for both scale and AF style stuff.....and your switches look great and work really well at slow and high speed with both scale and AF wheels and flanges/couplers/cars. I have scratch built code 125 double crossings in a curved setion of track and "borrowed your design inovatons for the "frog" on your switches and applied the same to the crossings....looks great and works great. My point is that unless you can do what you are doing and SHS/AM doing that allow both scale and AF to work or be addapted to the same switch/crossing/track/cars and engines...your waisting effort and valuable marketing resourses. What ever is made in S for production should be adaptable to both scale and AF to survive fiancially. The largest market out their are the AF/Hi-railers, the smallest group are the nitty - picky rivet counters, and frankly, then why not go the whole hog and use code 83, code 70 rail, an exactly correct gauge for 4'-81/2" and true size flanges /wheel widths etc.,etc. I want to be clear that I don't have a problem with this at all, in fact I admire exacting model building, and have counted myself amongst those rareified detail nuts....however for just having a lot of fun and playing trains: the smoke, choo-choo and whistle of an AF steamer gives me goose bumps and does it for me. I don't deminish or put anyones interest, leanings and preferences to S down....they are all wonderfull in this great scale of S. What I am intrested in is not excluding anyone from benefiting, when a manufacturer/marketer of S products is going to put something out their for us then the higher the number of S people who will buy this item is, the more likely it is to get marketed and the cost drops in proportion to number of items made. We all win!!! This is the nature of things....and it has been a long standing sore point for S, and frankly I think it's time to quit uppity attitude of some who think they are better because they are "pure" S scalers, and look down on anybody that uses anything larger than code 100 rail to run on. Everyone shares in the same 3/16"=1'-0" scale and everyone benefits from the largest marketing appeal we can generate...this to me, is what is important for the continued success and growth of S and to the point of track made for the S ....its best if it can work for both scale and Hi-rail/AF Thank you Tom Stoltz, Don Thompson, Ron Bashista and those who I have neglected to mention, who consider the BIG picture of marketing to all S gauger...hello Lionel...??? Dr. K. Loeb (Peter) ----- Original Message ----- From: Thomas Stoltz To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com ; S-Scale@yahoogroups.com ; nasgmembers@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 2:56 PM Subject: {S-Scale List} Flyer, Hi-rail or scale? I know, I know, this comes up every once in a while, but never seems to get resolved. In a recent discussion about turnouts I voiced the opinion that scale is well taken care of and so is the tinplate side of our hobby; that it is Hi-rail which is lacking in turnouts options. To my surprise, the response I got was Hi-rail has the most and scale could use a bit more-somebody help me. What is what? To me, it is all a question of your rail choice, that is, it has nothing to do with scenery, accessories or couplers (though they are a statement, of course). If you use scale rail and run brass engines on a plywood tabletop with ACG accessories, aren't you still running scale? Does the NASG have any definitions regarding this? If they don't, would anyone like to make a proposal? I have my ideas, but I'll wait to here yours. Tom Stoltz Tom's Turnouts & Trackwork Maine S Gaugers NASG http://s-scale.org/albums/v/s-vendors/Stoltz/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42174	From: hellonc99	Date: 11/16/2006
Subject: 2006 AF Christmas Boxcar

Hi, Has anyone got this car or is it not yet available? If so, does it have a black door as listed in Lionel's catalog? Thanks, Tom Druga

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42175	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 11/16/2006
Subject: Re: Recent Purchase questions and help 342 Engine

Rob, Take a look at the following link that shows how to bypass the tender and wire directly to the steam engine: http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/diagram/jumper.gif This should do it! BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "colleenandrob" <colleenandrob@...> wrote: > > Hello all, > > I recently purchased what was advertised as a 342. I do believe by > looking at the number plate that something else should be next to the > 342. It appears it could have had the letters AC next to it. The > numbers just don't seem centered. > > Also I can't get it to run. I used the tender to power another > engine and although it has a sticky e-unit it does work. My question > concerns setting up a way to test the engine for power by attaching > position and negative probes to the panel where the tender wires > attach to the engine. I've never done this before so I need some > help. > > I've included pictures of the engine (including the back panel) and I > was wondering what holes I use for the negative and positive. > > The back panel looks like this: > > ----------------------- > . * * . > . . > . * * . > ----------------------- > > What do I stick in the upper left and right holes as well as the > lower left and right to test if the engine will turn? > > Please no jokes!! > > The pictures are in the album called Bronx Boy Flyer. > > Thank you for any help you can give me. > Rob >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42176	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 11/16/2006
Subject: Re: Flyer, Hi-rail or scale?

Ed L and all, >If the track and wheels meet the NASG's scale specifications, then you are operating a "scale" layout. I couldn't agree more so my opinions are: Tinplate (Toy, Flyer, Flyonel, etc): Any layout using Flyer track (including radius), switches (including all closing frog turnouts) or rail code 172 and more. Hi-rail: layouts using rail between code 125 and 148. >Further, a hi-rail layout should, in theory, have at least one of the three key items -- wheels, track and couplers -- be "more realistic" >(whatever that means) than a pure AF layout in order to be considered a genuine hi-rail layout. After all, the only reason that hi-rail >exists is because there are many folks who desire greater realism than that offered by American Flyer. If none of the three key items are >more realistic than AF, than it is probably an AF layout. Scale is where I might get into trouble because I'm not sure of the difference between S scale and Proto 64. But it still boils down to rail-code 125 or less. >I would agree with the scenery and accessories part, but I would disagree with the coupler aspect. See comments above. Scale rails and >scale wheels and AF couplers would not, in my opinion, constitute an operating scale layout. Neither would it be an AF layout. Thus, this >hypothetical situation should properly be categorized as a hi-rail layout. I'd go with this, I guess I was thinking of the coupler choices for Hi-rail or the scaler who uses Kadee 802s. Hoping to eliminate the gray areas, Tom Stoltz Tom's Turnouts & Trackwork Maine S Gaugers NASG http://s-scale.org/albums/v/s-vendors/Stoltz/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42177	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 11/16/2006
Subject: Re: 2006 AF Christmas Boxcar

mine has a DARK GREEN door...... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: hellonc99 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 1:55 PM Subject: [S-Trains] 2006 AF Christmas Boxcar Hi, Has anyone got this car or is it not yet available? If so, does it have a black door as listed in Lionel's catalog? Thanks, Tom Druga [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42178	From: ken garber	Date: 11/16/2006
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Re: Flyer, Hi-rail or scale?

On 11/16/06, Thomas Stoltz <tstoltz@...> wrote: > > > Hi-rail: layouts using rail between code 125 and 148. > > >Further, a hi-rail layout should, in theory, have at least one of the > three key items -- wheels, track and couplers -- be "more realistic" > >(whatever that means) than a pure AF layout in order to be considered a > genuine hi-rail layout. After all, the only reason that hi-rail >exists is > because there are many folks who desire greater realism than that offered > by > American Flyer. If none of the three key items are >more realistic than > AF, > than it is probably an AF layout. > > Scale is where I might get into trouble because I'm not sure of the > difference between S scale and Proto 64. But it still boils down to > rail-code 125 or less. But..... how about the modeller running scale equipment with kadee couplers but on hirail track and wheelsets. I'm aware of one pike (last time I saw it) that's exactly that but with ballasting and scenicing, you probably wouldn't notice it was until you were told. >I would agree with the scenery and accessories part, but I would disagree > with the coupler aspect. See comments above. Scale rails and >scale wheels > and AF couplers would not, in my opinion, constitute an operating scale > layout. Neither would it be an AF layout. Thus, this >hypothetical > situation > should properly be categorized as a hi-rail layout. > > I'd go with this, I guess I was thinking of the coupler choices for > Hi-rail > or the scaler who uses Kadee 802s. or No. 5's.... Ken Hoping to eliminate the gray areas, > > Tom Stoltz shades of gray? : ) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42179	From: louis glumac	Date: 11/16/2006
Subject: for sale AMERICAN FLYER

HI, a nice 774 American flyer light tower, $55 free shipping. contact me at lglumac@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42180	From: LARRY MOORE	Date: 11/16/2006
Subject: 360 motors

To the group: Just purchased a 360/361 engine set. Before running, completely tore down motors; cleaned; checked all solder joints; replaced one brush and holder. After putting back togrther, front motor runs strong, rear motor will not run after applying power, will run when I take a toothpick and turn armature to start. When it does start it runs about half-speed of front motor. Do I have a weak field, armature or both. How do I check? Thanks in advance for all the help I know I will get from this group. Larry

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42181	From: Trains	Date: 11/17/2006
Subject: flyer, Hi-rail, scale?

Hi Richard Karnes, I enjoyed your retort and no stones, tomatoes etc. will follow from me! Maybe things have changed since I created, produced and marketed my very precise cast and machined three point brass track gauges that worked with the NMRA, NASG (new and -old standards) at the time, and maybe I have gotten tooo old and memory fails....but it seems that the 7/8" S gauge is an aproximation of 4'-81/2" .....granted close, but not exact....and certainly a better, more visually appealing "look" than O gauge's 11/4". Now, maybe I have some new things to learn.... I am always glad to do that. Primarily my point is that we need to consider everyone's best interest when something gets produced ( certainly there are limitations and some things that just won't work), however if an item can be made to work for scale, hi-rail and toy S fans, there is a broader appeal and greater likelyhood of getting that item to the S market. My comment about "rivet counters" did try to say that this was not a dispareging classification, and that myself might be counted amongst them. There is a real prejudice towards non-scalers as their is in every scale I have modeled in and run stuff in .... all scales all the way from 11/2" scale live steamers down to Z gauge....all these groups have their prejudices towards Toy/Hi-rail versus scale exactitudes no matter the scale. S is one of the smallest groups and needs ALL of us to push the growth and product selection. You know all this... you are pretty much a GURU of S, so I am not telling you anything new. Just know that I like having fun with my hobby and have always had a special place in my heart for S....this due to A.C. Gilbert and 3/16" scale American Flyer trains that I earned by selling many subscriptions for the Chicago Tribune, door to door, climbing 4-story walk up's, and by a fatefull pre Christmas day when I went downtown to Marshal Fields toy department, and was astonished by a display that had two rail t section track, realistic looking, properly proportioned, did I say realistic looking?, scale like trains that belched smoke and chuged and whistled...goose bumps again... WOW was I impressed....I wanted to know what that was, who made the leap forward, I WANTED THIS STUFF.... that thrill has never left me. I imagine that I will expierience a similar thrill if and when I can afford an SHS consolidation with DCC and Tsunami sound, and the greatest part is I can have it MY WAY, whether that is scale or AF/Hi-rail...cool huh? Oh and those "nitty - picky rivet counters" will be complaining about something that isn't right, maybe the dome placement or size, or the wrong piping diameter, or it should have a dual crosscompound air pump, instead of two singles, and you know what? Great, they can change it to their liking, changing, customizing, super detailing, repainting etc. etc. what fun and maybe a prize winner at a convention. That too is cool....everybody wins....that's my point. Lots of the best things to you and everyone, Peter Loeb [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42182	From: Eric R.	Date: 11/17/2006
Subject: for Ed Zdan.....

Ed: I am not sure if my direct email gets through. Your DRGW Package is on its way. USPS insured, Thanks Eric [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42183	From: Eric R.	Date: 11/17/2006
Subject: Thinning out some S helper Cars Part 2.

I Still need to thin out some of my overgrown S Helper collection to get down to the layout. I have the following 12 items to sell. They are new in the box, never run, as from SHS. Most are long sold out. A few are duplicates of last weeks list, some did not sell. 1. 00217 Caboose, unlettered, red. $35 2. 01625 3 bay PS2 hopper Domino $30 3. 01625 3 bay PS2 hopper Domino $30 4. 01638 Refer OTOE food Products $30 5. 01143 PS2 2 bay hopper BN gray $25 6. 01129 box car GN #2 Red 34420 $30 7. 01019 Box car Burlington Red (Special Run) $35 8. 01626 3 Bay Hopper, Jack Frost $30 9. 01571 SD XM Box Redwood Empire $30 10. 01515 Refer Great Falls Beer $35 11. 01280 Refer Western Fruit Express 2 GN $35 12. 01645 USRA Hopper Maine Central Christmas 2005 with load $45 These ore cars have been taken out of the box and had the optional Kadee style couplers attached. I put the stock couplers back on and made sure all original couplers, wheels and hardware is in the box. They have only been test run. This set is one of the sold out ones. 10. 00732 Ore Car Set CP silver $120.. Prices do not include shipping, Shipping will be actual USPS shipping. Eric Reis P.O. Box 82126 Kenmore, Wa. 98028 TCA and NASG since 1986 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42184	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 11/17/2006
Subject: Re: Cleaning Wheelsets?

I know it has been discussed previously, but what is the best method for cleaning the wheels, on engines, passenger and freight cars. Thanks Jerry Matsick

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42185	From: Bill	Date: 11/17/2006
Subject: This n' That!

Special thanks to Glenn Ritter, Jim Ingram and others for sharing their layouts with me. Hi, When I started out in S Gauge in 1957, it was with two used American Flyer Hudson sets, loads of track and switches. Back then I paid a monstrous $60.00 for all that! Next thing I knew, I was contacted along with many other Central Pennsylvania AF people to start a club, the "Central Pennsylvania S Gaugers." We hosted the NEASG in Hershey at the Cocoa Inn in 1970. This club was very successful for many years, but eventually it went out the door because of leadership problems that couldn't be resolved. Funny thing about that was that we had no official offices in the club, just a secretary who seemed to dominate! Perhaps that was the Rub? Well, along the way we had a joint meeting with the then Delaware Valley S Gaugers and I met Frank Titman and gang who were early [American Flyer choppers] S Scalers and I converted over, selling my complete AF collection in 1979. So now I'm in S scale and like it very much. However we scalers do have our problems too. We know that we are on the bottom of the S Gauge pile in numbers, but it doesn't deter us from moving on in our modeling. After all, none of us are real purist's as we're labeled buy our peers. Sure we at times count rivets, rail heights and so on, but none of our model railroads are 100% prototype. Anyway, I long for my good old American Flyer days with the corny AF track and switches, when I could run trains at 100 MPH and it would stay on the track. Ah Yes! The good old Plastiville structures. I love visiting American Flyer layouts, matter of fact, I just visited Brooks Stover's, Buffalo Creek and Gauley in August of this year. One would never know that his layout was high rail, the man is pure genius!. Yep, beautiful train sets, everyone laughing, having a good time and the visitors not knowing the difference, just like in the old days of our annual Yuletide Christmas Gardens. In closing, I wish all S Gaugers, big and small, a Merry Christmas ! "S"ee Ya, Bill [Fraley] Jefferson Central Railroad, a Division of the Reading Company since 1962. Always open to guests, just call first! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42186	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 11/17/2006
Subject: Re: Flyer, Hi-rail or scale?

Greetings my scale friends, Like Richard said there are some who came on this list to learn from our scale brothers and sisters. I was on this list a few years ago when I was NASG secretary. I came back to learn some scale detailing techniques. My new layout is what I would call "Hi Rail" since my weathered and ballasted track is not AF or K-Line or stock Gargraves. I will be working on scenery and the community enjoys seeing my setup. I really appreciate your comments. I have always respected that scale modelers handlaid and scratch or kit-bashed just about everything and spent years getting a layout up and running. I on the other hand need to entertain my grandchildren and the community and that means some RTR equipment. This is the "Hi-Rail" S Gauge layout that I am building. More scale building to come. http://kulpritterpics.homestead.com/STONY_CREEK_RR.html Glenn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42187	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 11/17/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 3233 Re: L-AF heavyweights

THANKS BOB FOR THE REPORT..... I STILL HAVE MINE FACTORY SEALED..... MAYBE SOME DAY IT WILL GET OPENED..... MY 0-6-0 CHRISTMAS DOCKSIDER AND 2 CAR UP SETS CAME TODAY.... BOB CONNER ----- Original Message ----- From: rbubeck327@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Cc: djdewey@... Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2006 10:26 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 3233 Re: L-AF heavyweights Dave: On pages 387 and 388 of Staufer's "Pennsy Power III" There are pictures of the Pullman-built "Colonel Lindbergh" and the "Elks Club" that appear to be consistent with the designs of my new Chicago and Alton cars, less (of course) the shortened length. We may have gotten used to what Gilbert's heavyweights look like over the years and the new ones are, well, different. The Lionel Flyer Chicago and Alton "Alton Limited" set arrived today. Looks sharp, runs well, and sounds great under TMCC. The new heavyweights (in Tuscan with red stripes and silver roofs) are visually striking and slip through Gilbert switches without a hitch. The passenger cars have a good balance between having lots of details and "heft." The new matching Pacific is very handsome. This is one of the nicest steam passenger sets ever done in S. I do not have the log dump car, but I do have a coal dump car and it works fine with a Gilbert accessory rail. Bob Bubeck In a message dated 11/11/2006 8:33:44 AM Eastern Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes: Hi all, My add-on cars have arrived (and another box is on the way, at 14+ lbs, maybe it's the rest of the cars??) and the new log dump car. Some observations & questions. Heavyweights: the windows look like they are too low on the body, I don't recall seeing prototype cars with such a tall surface above the windows (upper letterboard?). Anyone know where there are some prototype pics to look at? Log dump car. The contact finger does not spring upwards, although it does spring downwards! I don't see how this can work properly when it contacts the action rail. Anyone else notice this? I am also wondering how this can be re-engineered to work with the to-come K-line trucks.I read a comment about when detailed undercarriages will replace the tin floors. Hmm, guess I'm a toy train guy at heart--I don't see the undercarriage when the trains are running right--now when things go wrong, well!! S' David D. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42188	From: Phil K	Date: 11/17/2006
Subject: Re: flyer, Hi-rail, scale?

Peter -- To what does this post refer? I cannot find in recent posts the exchange you are referencing. Phil K > > Hi Richard Karnes, > > I enjoyed your retort and no stones, tomatoes etc. will follow from me! > > Maybe things have changed since I created, produced and marketed my very precise cast and machined three point brass track gauges that worked with the NMRA, NASG (new and -old standards) at the time, and maybe I have gotten tooo old and memory fails....but it seems that the 7/8" S gauge is an aproximation of 4'- 81/2" .....granted close, but not exact....and certainly a better, more visually appealing "look" than O gauge's 11/4". > > Now, maybe I have some new things to learn.... I am always glad to do that. > > Primarily my point is that we need to consider everyone's best interest when something gets produced ( certainly there are limitations and some things that just won't work), however if an item can be made to work for scale, hi-rail and toy S fans, there is a broader appeal and greater likelyhood of getting that item to the S market. > > My comment about "rivet counters" did try to say that this was not a dispareging classification, and that myself might be counted amongst them. There is a real prejudice towards non-scalers as their is in every scale I have modeled in and run stuff in .... all scales all the way from 11/2" scale live steamers down to Z gauge....all these groups have their prejudices towards Toy/Hi-rail versus scale exactitudes no matter the scale. S is one of the smallest groups and needs ALL of us to push the growth and product selection. > > You know all this... you are pretty much a GURU of S, so I am not telling you anything new. > > Just know that I like having fun with my hobby and have always had a special place in my heart for S....this due to A.C. Gilbert and 3/16" scale American Flyer trains that I earned by selling many subscriptions for the Chicago Tribune, door to door, climbing 4- story walk up's, and by a fatefull pre Christmas day when I went downtown to Marshal Fields toy department, and was astonished by a display that had two rail t section track, realistic looking, properly proportioned, did I say realistic looking?, scale like trains that belched smoke and chuged and whistled...goose bumps again... WOW was I impressed....I wanted to know what that was, who made the leap forward, I WANTED THIS STUFF.... that thrill has never left me. > > I imagine that I will expierience a similar thrill if and when I can afford an SHS consolidation with DCC and Tsunami sound, and the greatest part is I can have it MY WAY, whether that is scale or AF/Hi-rail...cool huh? > > Oh and those "nitty - picky rivet counters" will be complaining about something that isn't right, maybe the dome placement or size, or the wrong piping diameter, or it should have a dual crosscompound air pump, instead of two singles, and you know what? Great, they can change it to their liking, changing, customizing, super detailing, repainting etc. etc. what fun and maybe a prize winner at a convention. That too is cool....everybody wins....that's my point. > > Lots of the best things to you and everyone, > > Peter Loeb > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42189	From: Alex Sibbald	Date: 11/17/2006
Subject: AF/Hi-rail/scale

Hi all, This has been an interesting thread that appears to be looking for definitive labels for the many variations of our hobby. My definitions are much broader and don't have sharp edges between categories. A layout consists of many elements that are assembled to resemble real life. Track, couplers and wheels are some of the defining elements of a layout. So are scenery, buildings, roadbed, rolling stock, backdrops, etc. Some "scale" layouts that I have seen as defined simply by track size, couplers and turnouts, feature plasticville and/or Department 56 buildings which are not scale. So perhaps the yardstick should be a sliding scale which varies from pure AF to pure scale with high rail holding the middle ground and describing a layout with some scale elements. These definitions embrace all who model in our "scale" without casting dispersions on those who are more or less "scale" than others. And by the way, have you ever seen a scale layout with all the rivets properly positioned and counted running a scale length route? I don't think so, we all have to compromise in that respect. Just another opinion, Alex

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42190	From: Rick Evans	Date: 11/17/2006
Subject: Re: flyer, Hi-rail, scale?

I couldn't either!! Rick. Peter -- To what does this post refer? I cannot find in recent posts the exchange you are referencing. Phil K > > Hi Richard Karnes, > > I enjoyed your retort and no stones, tomatoes etc. will follow from me! > > Maybe things have changed since I created, produced and marketed my very precise cast and machined three point brass track gauges that worked with the NMRA, NASG (new and -old standards) at the time, and maybe I have gotten tooo old and memory fails....but it seems that the 7/8" S gauge is an aproximation of 4'- 81/2" .....granted close, but not exact....and certainly a better, more visually appealing "look" than O gauge's 11/4". > > Now, maybe I have some new things to learn.... I am always glad to do that. > > Primarily my point is that we need to consider everyone's best interest when something gets produced ( certainly there are limitations and some things that just won't work), however if an item can be made to work for scale, hi-rail and toy S fans, there is a broader appeal and greater likelyhood of getting that item to the S market. > > My comment about "rivet counters" did try to say that this was not a dispareging classification, and that myself might be counted amongst them. There is a real prejudice towards non-scalers as their is in every scale I have modeled in and run stuff in .... all scales all the way from 11/2" scale live steamers down to Z gauge....all these groups have their prejudices towards Toy/Hi-rail versus scale exactitudes no matter the scale. S is one of the smallest groups and needs ALL of us to push the growth and product selection. > > You know all this... you are pretty much a GURU of S, so I am not telling you anything new. > > Just know that I like having fun with my hobby and have always had a special place in my heart for S....this due to A.C. Gilbert and 3/16" scale American Flyer trains that I earned by selling many subscriptions for the Chicago Tribune, door to door, climbing 4- story walk up's, and by a fatefull pre Christmas day when I went downtown to Marshal Fields toy department, and was astonished by a display that had two rail t section track, realistic looking, properly proportioned, did I say realistic looking?, scale like trains that belched smoke and chuged and whistled...goose bumps again... WOW was I impressed....I wanted to know what that was, who made the leap forward, I WANTED THIS STUFF.... that thrill has never left me. > > I imagine that I will expierience a similar thrill if and when I can afford an SHS consolidation with DCC and Tsunami sound, and the greatest part is I can have it MY WAY, whether that is scale or AF/Hi-rail...cool huh? > > Oh and those "nitty - picky rivet counters" will be complaining about something that isn't right, maybe the dome placement or size, or the wrong piping diameter, or it should have a dual crosscompound air pump, instead of two singles, and you know what? Great, they can change it to their liking, changing, customizing, super detailing, repainting etc. etc. what fun and maybe a prize winner at a convention. That too is cool....everybody wins....that's my point. > > Lots of the best things to you and everyone, > > Peter Loeb > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42191	From: Tom Detmer	Date: 11/17/2006
Subject: Re: 2006 AF Christmas Boxcar

Dear Bob and Tom, Mine has a dark green door as well. Tom ROBERT ALLEN CONNER wrote: > > mine has a DARK GREEN door...... Bob > ----- Original Message ----- > From: hellonc99 > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 1:55 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] 2006 AF Christmas Boxcar > > Hi, > > Has anyone got this car or is it not yet available? > > If so, does it have a black door as listed in Lionel's catalog? > > Thanks, > > Tom Druga > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.6/535 - Release Date: 11/15/2006 >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42192	From: Roy Inman	Date: 11/17/2006
Subject: Re: This n' That!-KCS layout

Greetings to all :) Just FYI, anyone in or near the KC MO area: There is a newly completed layout in the front window of the old Kansas City Southern headquarters building, 114 E. 11th ST, downtown. It is extremely well done and features buildings and structures along the KCS route, including a tunnel and the famous concrete arch bridge. There are two loops of track, one passenger, one freight. The passenger looks to be an E-8, probably American Models, the other a F unit of some flavor, also probably AM. Both are perfectly painted in the appropriate original KCS colors. They are spectacular. There is a button on the outside of the window so that passersby can make the trains run. Our Kansas City S Gaugers club used a similar setup last year for our AF layout in a downtown Kansas City, KS store front. Anyway, just a heads up for anyone who might be anywhere near downtown KCMO. The layout is permanent, so I am told, and will be up and running past the holidays. It is small but well worth the stop. It was designed and built by a local husband and wife team, Fran and Miles Hale, DBA, www.modelrailroadbuilders.com I will shoot some photos and post them in the S-Trains photos section. Cheers :) Roy Inman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42193	From: Roy Inman	Date: 11/17/2006
Subject: Re: This n' That!-KCS layout-correction

Whoops! That should read 114 WEST 11th street, as in a block or so WEST of Main Street, not east. Sorry for the confusion. My bad :( Roy Inman From: Roy Inman <rinphoto@...> Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 18:03:36 -0600 To: Bill <wjfraley@...>, SsgPrivate@yahoogroups.com Cc: S- Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>, S-Scale@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] This n' That!-KCS layout There is a newly completed layout in the front window of the old Kansas City Southern headquarters building, 114 E. 11th ST, downtown. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42194	From: John	Date: 11/17/2006
Subject: Flyonel Northern

Hello, Bought this Northern From Charles Ro Co---beautiful engine. First NEW S steam engine I bought since my first Flyer set in the early 60s. I find you can use a pencil under the engine tow bar--and by lifting it slightly, it is easy to separate or couple the engine to the tender without derailing either. The tender has the equivalent of a computer in it (looks to me). Yes, the squeak from the smoke chamber is annoying. I wonder if you can use conventional flyer smoke in the engine?? It's tough to dismantle something new--but I may look into it.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42195	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 11/17/2006
Subject: Re: flyer, Hi-rail, scale?

This was on the S Scale list: Re: Flyer, Hi-rail or scale? Posted by: "Richard Karnes" karnesrn@... rnk2202 Thu Nov 16, 2006 5:46 pm (PST) Peter Loeb et al -- Peter said: "the smallest group are the nitty - picky rivet counters, and frankly, then why not go the whole hog and use code 83, code 70 rail, an exactly correct gauge for 4'-81/2" and true size flanges /wheel widths etc.,etc." Actually, if one buys off-the-shelf locos and rolling stock with scale wheelsets, and Tomalco code 100, 83, or 70 track or Shinohara code 100 track and turnouts, one doesn't have to be a rivet-counter to be a scale modeler. These products DO conform to 4'-8.5" gauge per the NASG standards. One can simply plunk the stuff down and run it as reliably as hirail or AF. For those wishing to use scale-thickness wheelsets with scale-depth flanges, these are also commercially available from NWSL as AM and SHS replacements, and they work fine on NASG-standard trackwork. The "nitty-picky" moniker is so undeserved and unwarranted. On a sightly different note, I realize that not everyone on the S-scale e-list is a true scale modeler (per Ed Loizeaux's definition). But I like to think that those of us who are not would like to learn from those of us who are, rather than vice versa. There is another e-list (S-trains) for people who want to share AF and hirail expertise. Now I'll cover my head to protect myself from random stones and tomatoes... Dick Karnes ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick Evans To: STrains Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 5:28 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: flyer, Hi-rail, scale? I couldn't either!! Rick. Peter -- To what does this post refer? I cannot find in recent posts the exchange you are referencing. Phil K > > Hi Richard Karnes, > > I enjoyed your retort and no stones, tomatoes etc. will follow from me! > > Maybe things have changed since I created, produced and marketed my very precise cast and machined three point brass track gauges that worked with the NMRA, NASG (new and -old standards) at the time, and maybe I have gotten tooo old and memory fails....but it seems that the 7/8" S gauge is an aproximation of 4'- 81/2" .....granted close, but not exact....and certainly a better, more visually appealing "look" than O gauge's 11/4". > > Now, maybe I have some new things to learn.... I am always glad to do that. > > Primarily my point is that we need to consider everyone's best interest when something gets produced ( certainly there are limitations and some things that just won't work), however if an item can be made to work for scale, hi-rail and toy S fans, there is a broader appeal and greater likelyhood of getting that item to the S market. > > My comment about "rivet counters" did try to say that this was not a dispareging classification, and that myself might be counted amongst them. There is a real prejudice towards non-scalers as their is in every scale I have modeled in and run stuff in .... all scales all the way from 11/2" scale live steamers down to Z gauge....all these groups have their prejudices towards Toy/Hi-rail versus scale exactitudes no matter the scale. S is one of the smallest groups and needs ALL of us to push the growth and product selection. > > You know all this... you are pretty much a GURU of S, so I am not telling you anything new. > > Just know that I like having fun with my hobby and have always had a special place in my heart for S....this due to A.C. Gilbert and 3/16" scale American Flyer trains that I earned by selling many subscriptions for the Chicago Tribune, door to door, climbing 4- story walk up's, and by a fatefull pre Christmas day when I went downtown to Marshal Fields toy department, and was astonished by a display that had two rail t section track, realistic looking, properly proportioned, did I say realistic looking?, scale like trains that belched smoke and chuged and whistled...goose bumps again... WOW was I impressed....I wanted to know what that was, who made the leap forward, I WANTED THIS STUFF.... that thrill has never left me. > > I imagine that I will expierience a similar thrill if and when I can afford an SHS consolidation with DCC and Tsunami sound, and the greatest part is I can have it MY WAY, whether that is scale or AF/Hi-rail...cool huh? > > Oh and those "nitty - picky rivet counters" will be complaining about something that isn't right, maybe the dome placement or size, or the wrong piping diameter, or it should have a dual crosscompound air pump, instead of two singles, and you know what? Great, they can change it to their liking, changing, customizing, super detailing, repainting etc. etc. what fun and maybe a prize winner at a convention. That too is cool....everybody wins....that's my point. > > Lots of the best things to you and everyone, > > Peter Loeb > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42196	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 11/18/2006
Subject: Re;re;Flyer Scale or Hi-rail

I tend to follow Louis Hertz' definitions of Toy trains made for the children's trade with no effort to be in scale, Scale trains made for adults who desire exact scale and realism, and High-Rail trains created by hobbyists who wished to "model" railroads by using toy and scale parts, usually scale bodies on toy track, wheels, and couplers. (Not his exact words, but close.) Having spent most of my life in "Model" railroading, perhaps I see this a bit different than some others. Gilbert American Flyer was made for children as "Toy" trains, but actually fit Hertz' description of "High-Rail" trains, so we have a blurred definition from day one! When this discussion went around on this list last year Don Thompson wrote that he saw this as "Flyer compatable" or "Scale compatable." Today, this makes the most sense as most modern S production features scale bodies with either "Flyer compatable" trucks and couplers which must run on taller track, or "Scale compatable" trucks and couplers which run on smaller, prototype railed track. This describes the trains, but DOES NOT describe the layout as a whole! I think we need to recognise that the layout is a different discussion altogether. Stumpy Stone...Hi-rail/Flyer compatable modeler/operator in Appalachia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42197	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 11/18/2006
Subject: Hi-rail or Scale...the layout

Okay gang, slight change of direction in the discussion...No matter if your trains are Toy, Hi-Rail/Flyer compatable, or Scale, how about your layout? Well, using Louis Hertz' train description again we might say that; "Toy" train layouts would be layouts which makes little attempt at realisim. Perhaps using toy buildings, out of scale toy cars and figures. "Scale" train layouts would be layouts where everything is realistic and in scale. "Hi-rail" train layouts would be layouts where Flyer compatable trains and track are used to create a "model" railroad. Structures, vehicle, figures, etc. would be scale or very close to it. Under these guidelines I think old Louis would find that the majority of today's S gauge layouts are Hi-rail/Flyer compatable. Okay, jump in and continue the discussion y'all! Stumpy Stone...still playing with trains after fifty years...Martins Ferry, OH.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42198	From: Roy Inman	Date: 11/18/2006
Subject: Laser cut parts

Greetings to all! Does anyone have a suggestion as to where I can get some laser cut bridge parts from a 1/64th scale drawing that I have? All I really need is two sides with arches cut out. I can't seem to make them accurately enough with my crude hand tools. My guess is that it will not be inexpensive, and maybe outside my budget, but any ideas appreciated. Cheers :) Roy Inman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42199	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 11/18/2006
Subject: Re: S needs fewer categories

This list is for S Scale model trainsAF, AF Compatible, High Rail, S Scale, 64 Proto, Sn narrow are fine for each of you as you want to tell another S gauger what you do but the public sees Lionel, O, AF, S, HO, N & Z and what are we? For 40 years the NEASG then the NASG have tried to promote S gauge to the public. We have to respect the men & women that have built highly detailed close to true scale layouts over the 30, 40 or 50 years of their lifetime but John Q. Public just wants to buy a set for his children for the holidays and beyond. So we have various types of S Scalers (Sn included) and various types of S Gaugers. The two catagories should be Hobby & Holiday. Happy Thanksgiving Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 3:15 AM S needs fewer categories Posted by: "Edward Loizeaux" Fri Nov 17, 2006 11:16 pm (PST) Some want five and/or six categories. They have written me off List. Things like P:64, finescale, narrow gauge, etc. But the "two-cat guys" are feeling ignored. Cannot have that. Here is my two-cat proposal: 1. S SCALE: Trackwork and wheels meet all pertinent NASG specifications AND rail size is code 100 or smaller (unless modeling the PRR mainline west of Harrisburg) AND coupler size is Kadee S or smaller. 2. S GAUGE: Everything that is not SCALE. This email ends my dissertation(s) on this general subject. It has been fun, but I gotta build a RR layout. Cheers...Ed L. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42200	From: g94a95	Date: 11/18/2006
Subject: Decal Removel

Hi Folks I need some help with removing some decals that were applied to a 370 Diesel and a 350 royal blue. The "little" hobby shop here doesnt sell any decal remover etc. Is there a "home brew" that anybodys uses??? Ive tried water and soap and a gentle brush but it still leaves the adhesive on the engines. Any help would be greatly appreciated...Thanx in advance...Bill

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42201	From: Edward B. Havens	Date: 11/18/2006
Subject: Thinning collection -- need a Flyonel 2-8-2?

Space constraints prevent me from doing the kind of S layout I wanted so I'm going to focus on a few classic A.F. steamers on a loop with a siding or two. As a result, I've got some items excess to current needs. One is a Lionel American Flyer 2-8-2 light mikado I put up on eBay starting at about $150-$200 under retail. This locomotive is in Southern Railway livery and is a beautiful model with all the Flyonel bells-&-whistles. To see it, enter 320049519724 in the eBay search block. With smoke, never operated. Original box. Hope I can find this model a good home! Edward B. Havens Tucson, Ariz.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42202	From: Robert Graves	Date: 11/18/2006
Subject: Northerns and Mikados join The Gilbert Gallery

The Flyonel Northerns and Mikados are now pictured on the The Gilbert Gallery. Check them out!!! http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/engines-Northern.html http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/engines-Mikado.html Can anyone send me a picture of the B&O Mikado? Pages for the Frontiersman, Geeps, Floodlight Cars, Flatcars, and Tank Cars also have many new pictures. Some of the pictures still needed: 48043 New York Central Baldwin 48141 Western Maryland Baldwin 48005 Pennsylvania GP-9 48020 Milwaukee Road GP-9 48048 Duluth, Missabe & Iron Range SD9 48049 Southern Pacific SD9 Your help would be greatly appreciated! Bob --------------------------------- Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42203	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 11/19/2006
Subject: Re;S scale needs fewer catagories

Don't panic Glenn...It's not as bad as you fear! If John Q. Public goes looking for a train set (and somehow doesn't end up with the more popular and widely availible Lionel or HO sets) he'll probably be buying a Flyer compatable set such as those made by S Helper Service. While all S gauge is discussed on this Group, the interest is predominantly Gilbert American Flyer and it's modern offshoots, Flyonel, S Helper, American Models, etc. All in their "Flyer compatable/Hi-rail" versions. Over on the S Scale Yahoo Group they are into Scale, Proto 64, Sn2, etc. and rarely even talk about the stuff we run. Now check this out: John Q. Public has a choice of O three rail in toy, semi scale, and scale, O gauge tinplate (all availible in sets now) plus Proto 48, O scale 2 rail, and narrow gauges in On15", On18", On2, On3, On30"(also now in sets), and On42". (The On30 thing alone has branched off into Sn42, and Gn15 which are growing in popularity.) Then there is Z,N,HO,and G gauges which all have both standard and narrow gauges, and finescale variations too. Toy and Model trains are a vast panorama today, and growing. But we're sliding into another discussion subject here, so I'd better stop! Stumpy Stone...stop me before I talk again.....

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42204	From: Phil K	Date: 11/19/2006
Subject: 2006 S Fest is huge success

The registration totals are over 900. Plus, we had an additional 1,000-plus individuals visit the 5,000 square-feet of operating layouts. We noticed that a significant number of the families (and it's good news that we saw a lot of families) opted for a registration to be able to visit the display room over just seeing the layouts for free. The 17,000 square-foot Trading Hall was a complete sellout. Besides the manufacturer's booths there were 260 other tables of S gauge goodies. We even had two dealers who needed 18 and 16 tables to display all the items they had to offer. More than 100 vendors were present. Some 20 of them were manufacturers. Among them was American Models, S-Helper Service, Des Plaines Hobbies, River Raisin Models, Putt Trains, American Hi-Rail and Cryer Gray Foundry. American "S" Gauge premiered their brand new switches for their track system. Other manufacturers also were showing new products. We has a cople of firsts: Not only did Fall S Fest get an advance story and photos in the Daily Southtown newspaper, but on Saturday a writer and photographer came to the show to do a Sunday follow-up story. Most encouraging about Saturday's attendance is that we had a line at registration from the opening at 8:00 A.M. until just after 1:00 P.M. Sometimes the line was as many at 10 deep and would have been deeper except our top-notch registration crew took care of everyone promptly. The layout room had 13 operating layouts, including scale, narrow gauge, hi-rail and American Flyer. Several of the layouts had "hands- on" features to allow anyone to play with the trains. The idea of being able to touch the trains was very exciting to many parents who were there with young children. And we saw children as young as a few months in our audience. Friday had two big hits with the families. The movies shown were so popular that there was as repeat, command performance on Saturday. The Operation Lifesaver train was busy all evening. Thank you to Canadian National for once again letting this be a part of our event. The banquet was our best attended in many years. Nearly 180 guests heard a great presentation from featured speaker Carl Luecke about his experiences in the 1950 A.C. Gilbert TV show "The Boy's Railroad Club" as "Corky" and his life as a child actor. Carl appeared under the stage name of Herbie Walsh, a name chosen by his agent. At the banquet, Carl spoke after a wonderful video presentation that gave everyone in attendance a very enjoyable glimpse into a part of Gilbert history and also into American history as Carl related some other stories about his acting experiences. Little did we know that he was a classmate of Christopher Walken, as the two attended a special grade school in New York for child actors! And even though he was afraid of Yul Brynner during the Broadway run of "A King and I", when he met Brynner years later, as an adult, "I was shocked at how short he was... and to think that when I was a kid he scared me every day on the set!" Most interesting was Carl revealing that until John Huster tracked him down and sent him a video copy of Boys Railroad Club, he said he had never seen any of the episodes. "I didn't see a lot of the shows I did," Carl explained. "Many like "Playhouse 90" and "Masterpiece Theatre" were live TV shows. And my family never saw me [act], either, because we didn't even own a TV!" The model contest had more entries this time which was very exciting. And the quality and variety of the modeling subjects was much broader. The clinics were all very well received. There was a clinic on Lionel Traimaster Command Control for American Flyer conducted by Ed Goldin and one on proper freight car order for today's trains on Friday. The 2 two-part clinics on Saturday were similarly well received. The folks from C G Laser Innovations taught how to build and finish laser-cut structures and more than twenty S Fest attendees left with a brand new structure for their layout. Andy Jugle presented 100 Years of American Flyer, Parts 1 and 2 to a standing room only audience. Again, this was the largest S gauge convention in history, so I'd say an reports of a demise of S are totally inaccurate. We're already negotiating for the same wonderful facility -- the Tinley Park Convention Center -- for a similar weekend in 2010, when we are next scheduled to host the event. The host Chicagoland Association of S Gaugers thanks everyone who attended. We'll do our best to make even better next time around. Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42205	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 11/19/2006
Subject: PVMR Train Display

The Pequea Valley Model Railroaders (PVMR) are putting the final touches on our enlarged (now 8' X 16' ) "S" Gauge layout. The layout will be on display at the DUTCHWAY FARM MARKET on Rt 41 in GAP, PA from Nov 29 thru Dec 2 and Dec 6 thru Dec 9. Among the interesting facts about this larger layout, one of the reasons we expanded was to allow local Volunteer Fire Depts to use it for training. Our smaller SHS travelling layout served in such a capacity last spring for "younger" fire lads and lassies. Our DUTCHWAY hosts will be hosting several Fire Depts for training one of our evenings. Look for the flashing red lights. Operating trains will be American Flyer, S-Helper Service, American Models, PA Heritage Models trolleys. Buildings will be almost exclusively Plasticville. LOTs of "pushbuttons" for children of ALL ages. PVMR will also have a SUB SALE going on Nov 30 and Dec 1 & 2, some of the proceeds once again benefiting Toys For Tots. Probably wondering "How To Get There"; well it's pretty easy. We are in GAP, PA, south of U S 30 on RT 41, or North of US RT 1 on PA RT 41 (ADC pg 3577, A-6) WE will be open from 10 AM til 8 PM (give or take) on mentioned dates. DUTCHWAY is a complete SuperMarket, one of a family of markets in Pennsylvania Dutch Country. Our problem seems to be keeping away from the Bakery and the Restaurant (GREAT Buffet Breakfast on Saturdays) BOTH great places to visit (as are ALL of the other Depts). Store Manager Jeff assures me there will be many fine bargains during our visit. Jim "workin" trains on the Keystone main" Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42206	From: JeryJones3@aol.com	Date: 11/19/2006
Subject: OPEN HOUSE See "S" Run!

The Nauset Model Railroad Club in Orleans on Cape Cod will have open house on Saturday afternoons from 1 to 4 every Saturday until January 1, 2007. This club has an operating "S" layout that measures 14' x 34'. There are also HO, N, and O guage layouts to look at. The Club is located in the rear of Hilltop Plaza on Route 6A just as you enter Orleans. Join us on Cape Cod for some Model Railroad fun!! Roy E. Jones III, Club President Model in "S" NASG Member [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42207	From: Trains	Date: 11/19/2006
Subject: Medford Oregon Train Show (near California border along I-5)

Hello to everyone, Those of you who might wish to attend here is the info: MEDFORD OREGON: ROGUE VALLEY MODEL RAILROAD CLUB TRAIN SHOW NOV. 25-26 (WEEKEND AFTER THANKSGIVING) FROM 10am - 5pm SAT, 11am - 4pm SUN ADMISSION $5, SENIORS $4, CHILDREN UNDER 15 FREE W/ADULT TABLES ARE ALREADY SOLD OUT, SOME FLOOR SPACE REMAINS IF YOU WANT TO BRING A DISPLAY/LAYOUT CONTACT: BILL MEYER, PO BOX 8065, MEDFORD,OR 97501, 541-821-5547 ...OR CONTACT ME Take I-5 to exit #27 (South Medford) to Barnett road, head west to Hyw. 99, turn left ( south, towards Ashland) go a couple of blocks, you will see the Medord Armory on LH side of Hyw, turn left where you can...plenty free of parking. PS- RR tracks of the California and Oregon will be on your right. All scales are represented, could even get a modular S gauge layout up and running with help and volunteers. At least six different Dealers with some form of S items and plenty of stuff for kitbashing buildings etc. great prices for the most part. Included with your ticket are door prizes and also raffle tickets for sale. This show is an anual tradition in the Rogue valley. COME VISIT WITH ME IN DEALER AREA, I WILL HAVE A COUPLE OF TABLES FULL OF GOODIES FOR S PEOPLE. To contact me: Dr. K. Loeb (Peter), rr4u@... or 541-471-8819 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42208	From: Phil K	Date: 11/19/2006
Subject: Tonkin Replica trucks for S Fest

I have had several email requests about the manufacturer Tonkin Replicas, which produced the custom 1:64 trucks for Fall S Fest. Go here: www.tonkinreplicas.net The ones we ordered were made using the old AHL tooling. You can see examples here: http://www.ahlreplicas.com/ And to answer one of the most common questions, the minimum order for a custom job is 504 pieces. And yes, we have a few left over if you'd like to buy one. Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42209	From: Robert Graves	Date: 11/20/2006
Subject: Flyonel C&A and UP Photos needed for The Gilbert Gallery

If anyone can email me pictures of each individual car and engine, I would greatly appreciate it! The reefer and tank car pages got major updates yesterday. Just need to add the 2006 cars. Bob --------------------------------- Sponsored Link Mortgage rates near 39yr lows. $420,000 Mortgage for $1,399/mo - Calculate new house payment [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42210	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 11/20/2006
Subject: Re: Christmas Layouts and Shopping!

Just a "Welcome" to any Holiday travelers to Florida via Jacksonville, please stop and visit Jax "S" Ville my S gauge layout. Also wanting to sell or purchase that S Gauge item, you are WELCOME to join "AvailableSGauge" go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/availablesgauge/ (FREE Ebay Alternative) Jerry Matsick Moderator AvailableSGauge

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42211	From: Dale Chaudiere	Date: 11/20/2006
Subject: Needed : SHS #00298 RC #3 RH Switches

Help, I need two SHS #00298 remote control #3 righthand switches for my S-scale Christmas layout. These are currently out of stock directly from SHS. Anyone know a retailer that still has any of these? Dale

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42212	From: jostrass	Date: 11/20/2006
Subject: St.Louis MO. Dec 2nd train show

Train show that had been at Lurheran South H.S. has been moved to Concordia Luthern Church 505 S. Kirkwood Rd. Kirkwood MO. 9am to 3pm Larry Strassburger 314 469 7219.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42213	From: Dale Chaudiere	Date: 11/20/2006
Subject: Needed: American Models 2-button Controller

Help, I am using an AF 180W two throttle transformer (13B?) with my S- scale Christmas Layout. Currently I am running a AM GG1 with AM two button controller on the lower track. On the upper track I have been running a 1946 AF K5. I am retiring the K5 to the shelf and ordering an AM GN Pacific, however AM no longer offers the separate two button controller needed to activate the whistle and bell in this engine. Now all they offer is a transformer with the buttons built-in. I do not need another transformer, since the 13B already has two separate throttles. Does anyone have or know a retailer that still has a AM two button controller? Dale

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42214	From: velapoldi	Date: 11/20/2006
Subject: Code 125/miller tie strip available

Hi all: I have one bundle of nickel-silver code 125 rail (about 99' in 3' sections - one section with some solder??) and one box of miller tie strip for the rail. Is anyone interested in it? Both available for $40 plus shipping from VA to anywhere in the US. I am traveling from Norway to VA for Thanksgiving and will bring it with me and ship it the day after. Please advise soonest as I travel in two days!! thanks Rance Velapoldi (Norway)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42215	From: g94a95	Date: 11/20/2006
Subject: Decal removal

Thanx to all of you who replied about removing decals!!!! I have alot of theories to try out!!!!!Thanx again!!!Bill

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42216	From: Bret	Date: 11/20/2006
Subject: Lemax accessories and houses for sale

please if there is anyone interested in some lemax items that i have available e-mail me with your interest. and in will send a list of items that are available. thank you Bret Sipla

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42217	From: fiantoni	Date: 11/20/2006
Subject: Cal Stewart - Pasadena

Just a quick note that in my four years attending the Cal-Stewart meet in Pasadena this year seemed to have the most Flyer ever and with great prices to boot! There were a couple of folks selling beautiful and fairly rare sets for the big $$ but there was also a great selection of operational equipment at great prices. I got a really nice Baldwin switcher for my son for $65. and a Illinois Central boxcar for $15 to go with it. Both in at least VG condition and the Baldwin runs fine and looks like it will just need some cleaning to run great. There were also tables full of freight cars for between $10-30. Wow, I don't know what happened but these are the best deals I have seen on this stuff at this show. I don't follow Lionel equipment but I heard one of the staff members make a similar comment about that equipment having some really good deals available. Lionel had a display of all their new Flyer equipment and it is beautiful. There was also a collection of AF equimpment on display that was quite nice. Additionally, there was an original vintage IVES Standard set from the early thirties in its orginal boxes on display that was also extraordinary. In the layout room where there might have been one Flyer loop in the past there were four setups running vintage Flyer equipment. Boy, this was one fun show for the Flyer fan. I was really surprised and even though my son was the most interested in the N gauge Tornado modular unit it didn't put a damper on anything. I don't know what the low prices mean but I can only hope to see more of them as it makes running this stuff that much more fun. Frank

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42218	From: Scott Holm	Date: 11/20/2006
Subject: AF Alton set from Charles Ro

I just learned today that a fire on a Fedex truck destroyed a number of the AF Alton and Chicago sets that Charles Ro sent out on November 8th. Charles Ro says they are trying to get more sets, but that it doesn't look good. Here's hoping that Lionel will produce more to make up for the loss. I'm severely disappointed. --------------------------------- Sponsored Link Don't quit your job - take classes online and earn your degree in 1 year. Start Today [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42219	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 11/20/2006
Subject: SHS Truck Stem Repair Photos Posted

Hello All, I recently purchased an SHS 00504 Old Heidelberg Beer Reefer on eBay. I've been looking for one of these for a couple of years to go with my large assortment of SHS beer reefers. When I received the reefer all was well until I removed the car and one of the trucks and coupler fell off. I contacted the seller who made a quick and full refund of the purchase price and shipping. The seller told me to keep the car since he had no use for it and didn't want to pay to have it shipped back to him. I contacted Don Thompson at SHS and asked for his recommendations on how to repair the broken truck post. He replied that the bolster stem is part of the floor and not really replaceable. If you still have the stem, you may be able to use a solvent glue. He would use a longer self tapping screw, drill a hole through the floor, and apply the glue once the screw is tight. Let the glue set for 24 hours and slowly try to back out the screw. You may need to remove the roof (watch the end roof walk supports). Also, the center sill is held on by two screws (you will see these when the roof is off). I tried to remove the roof but quickly decided I was on the road to sure disaster so I decided to try the old proven JB Weld approach. I removed the stem from the truck and carefully aligned it inside the floor bolster. The stem was a clean, but lopsided break so it was easy to align the stem to the floor. I placed an alignment mark on the stem to help in assembly later. I then mixed up a small batch of JB Weld and put a small amount on the bottom of the stem and around the bottom outside of the stem. I then placed the stem in the floor bolster and aligned to my alignment mark. The JB Weld was still liquid enough to flow down the stem and fill the annular space between the floor bolster and the stem. I let the repair cure for 24 hours, touched up the paint on the stem and remounted the coupler and truck. She is as good as new and ready for the layout. I took several photos during the repair and have posted them to my photo album at: http://s-scale.org/albums/v/friends/bull+gator/Repairs Please check out the repair and if you have time visit the rest of my photos and the other AF photo albums! Happy Repairs! BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42220	From: John Keating	Date: 11/21/2006
Subject: SHS Truck Stem Repair Photos Posted

Hello Bull, Another way that I've repaired similar items is by drilling a .021 size hole in the frame and broken part as well and using a piece of .020 wire to align and glue the parts back together. You can glue the wire in the broken piece first and check the fit before gluing the part to the frame. Hope this helps. John Keating [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42221	From: Steve Lunde	Date: 11/21/2006
Subject: Seuthe smoke units and dcc

Does anybody have any experience with Seuthe smoke units and dcc? I am currenty converting a Flyonel Mike to dcc. Steve Lunde

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42222	From: Mark Preman	Date: 11/21/2006
Subject: 20% off All Passenger Cars

Just a reminder that we are coming into the last week of the sale on passenger cars for the S-Trains List - 20% off any loose passenger cars on the November list. Click here http://americanflyertrains.com/html/for_sale.html Mark Mark B. Preman AmericanFlyerTrains.com --------------------------------- Sponsored Link Rates near 39yr lows. $510,000 Loan for $1698/mo - Calculate new house payment [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42223	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 11/21/2006
Subject: scale,P64,Fine

Well, at the risk of sounding like not part of the in crowd, I can understand that scale, P64 and Fine scale (not necessarily in that order) are most likely a continuum, but what's the difference and are they compatible? I'm pretty sure I read in Model Railroader that in H0, scale and P87 are not compatible. But if you are modeling in scale, how can there be scale, P64 and fine scale? Wouldn't only one be considered scale and the others near misses? Still curious in Maine, Tom Stoltz Tom's Turnouts & Trackwork Maine S Gaugers NASG http://s-scale.org/albums/v/s-vendors/Stoltz/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42224	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 11/21/2006
Subject: Re;S scale needs fewer categories

Hey Stumpy and all, I thought this was a straight forward thing, but it turns out pretty much everyone has a different concept about the Flyer, Hi-rail, scale bit. I realize that each category can be subdivided by every different element we put on a layout, however, I still feel that the basic three are all we need. Flyer would be at one end and scale at the other while Hi-rail is everything in between. So, doesn't it come down to what is a Flyer layout and what is a scale layout? Is it really important? Not really, but it is interesting and would probably help in marketing S products. The S product thing is how this came up when someone suggested that in Hi-rail there is an abundance of turnouts while scale is hurting. Just trying to figure out where I fit on the continuum of S, Tom Stoltz Tom's Turnouts & Trackwork Maine S Gaugers NASG http://s-scale.org/albums/v/s-vendors/Stoltz/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42225	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 11/21/2006
Subject: Lionel 4 car Union Pacific Passenger set

Just received notice that the UP cars are on track and on their way! The 2 pack set is great and now to add these four cars will be super great. These are by far are the best Heavyweights released for S Gaugers! Comparing the Lionel Heavyweights to the American Model set, Lionel cars are tops, however the Nod goes to American Models for their Budd Cars over the Lionel streamliner cars. IMHO Jerry Matsick

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42226	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 11/22/2006
Subject: Re;re;Flyer needs fewer catagories

Okay, Tom, I think I see where you're going with this. In the case of track, my thinking is that you really only have two choices; "Flyer Compatable" or "Scale Compatable." It's a question of wheels of course. If the Flyer style wheels with the big flanges operate on it, it's "Flyer Compatable." If the rail is too low for that and works only with the Scale style (Code 110) wheels, then it's "Scale Compatable." For example, Gargraves track is "Flyer Compatable" while Tomalco Code 100 is "Scale Compatable." And then there are manufacturers such as S Helper Service who make track on which both will work. Of course once you decide which track you need for the trains you have, you can move on to choices of curve radius, appearance, etc. As to your question of "Scale" vs. "Proto 64" (A.K.A. "Fine Scale.") Many years ago the National Model Railroad Association set "Standards" as to scale track, wheels, excetera. In recent years a very small group of modelers in HO decided these Standards were not accurate enough and created finer standards. This is where the "Proto" or "Fine Scale" movement came from. And yes, regular "Scale" and "Fine Scale" are often "close, but no cigar." Stumpy Stone...getting a five day break to work on my "Flyer Compatable" display layout.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42227	From: Doug Peck	Date: 11/22/2006
Subject: Alton sets

Some of you may have heard this already, but "the word" is that there have been TWO accidents involving Lionel shipments, and both involve the Alton "S" gauge sets. First, there apparently was a fire involving a FedEx truck containing shipments from Lionel, and it destroyed most or all of the truck contents. This shipment must have been headed east, because my understanding is that some of it was headed to Charles Ro. Alton sets were part of this shipment. Then, very soon afterward, I understand that there was another accident involving a shipment headed west by train, and still more were destroyed! If both these stories are true (I know the first is true as it came directly from Ro; the second story came from another Lnl dealer out west), the already-short-supply of Alton sets is going to be considerably less ! Hopefully, I am not spreading unbased rumors here, but I suspect both are true, based on the sources. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST 978-465-8798 VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42228	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 11/22/2006
Subject: Re;Suethe smoke units and DCC

While I have no direct experiance with DCC, I can tell you that many of these units don't like alot of voltage. I've cooked the smaller Suethe units on the voltage that is needed to run American Flyer trains, even with can motors. The units made for G scale trains will stand the voltage, but most don't fit in S scale smoke stacks. Since DCC requires a constant higher voltage to the track, I'd be careful with smoke units, making sure they are rated for the voltage you'll be using or regulating the voltage going to them in some way. Also remember that Suethe units work best when they are run within the voltage range they were designed for. If you are using a Suethe unit meant for HO use, it will work best between 8 and 12 volts. Lower than this and they produce little, if any, smoke and above this they burn up in minutes. Many manufacturers use Suethe in their trains today, often without mentioning who made the smoke unit. If your S gauge train came with one, it will probably be safe with DCC. Check with the manufacturer to be sure. When I was into Garden Railways, I played around with various Suethe units as they are what LGB uses in their big G scale trains. They are a good product, but fry easily if run dry or zapped with too much juice. Stumpy Stone...former contributing editor for Garden Railways and Steam in the Garden magazines.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42229	From: Wayne B.	Date: 11/22/2006
Subject: Lionel 4 car Union Pacific Passenger set

I agree with Jerry 100% about the new Lionel UP passenger cars. Got my two pack last week, and carefully took them out of their packing. First I examined them for detail, paint, trim...all beautiful!. I then put them on the track, put some power to them to watch them light up....great looking. Now for the final test...I put my big AF Northern, 332 with a conversion car on the track and pulled the two new cars around....wow! nice. Then the final satisfaction...turned the lights off to the room, and watched this beautiful combo run around the layout with all the AC Gilbert accessories glowing.....BEAUTIFUL! Wayne Golden Spike AF Club Utah ____________________________________________________________________________________ Sponsored Link Mortgage rates near 39yr lows. $510k for $1,698/mo. Calculate new payment! www.LowerMyBills.com/lre

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42230	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 11/22/2006
Subject: Re: Just my thought!

As great and fantastic as Gilbert and American Flyer are and what those trains mean to each of us. I believe the Name of American Flyer means A.C. Gilbert. I also believe Lionel has moved ahead and is establishing a good name for itself in supplying S Gauge trains for us. IMHO, just call the new stuff Lionel S gauge! Remember don't beat me up it is just my honest opinion! Jerry Matsick AvailableSGauge (Come on an join this group, to sell, purchase and trade for your S Gauge needs and desires!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42231	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 11/22/2006
Subject: Re;Just my thought

We're coming to thump you Jerry! Oh, heck...not really. I kind of agree with you about what to call Flyer. I, too, think real Flyer is Gilbert American Flyer, but since Lionel is making their stuff from mostly Gilbert molds and owns the name American Flyer, it's Flyer too! I like the name "Flyonel" for the Lionel made Flyer, but then this would probably be more suitable to the stuff Lionel makes using their own new molds. I think this could become as convoluted as the Toy, Hi-rail, Scale discussion! Stumpy Stone...twisted in Appalachia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42232	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 11/22/2006
Subject: Re: Lionel 4 car Union Pacific Passenger set

WHOSE name is on the cars????/ Jim "Happy Thanksgiving from the Keystone Main" Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42233	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 11/22/2006
Subject: Re: Alton sets

Maybe I should offer my STILL FACTORY SEALED SET for 5000.00 as a min bid????? Bob Conner ----- Original Message ----- From: Doug Peck To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 8:43 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Alton sets Some of you may have heard this already, but "the word" is that there have been TWO accidents involving Lionel shipments, and both involve the Alton "S" gauge sets. First, there apparently was a fire involving a FedEx truck containing shipments from Lionel, and it destroyed most or all of the truck contents. This shipment must have been headed east, because my understanding is that some of it was headed to Charles Ro. Alton sets were part of this shipment. Then, very soon afterward, I understand that there was another accident involving a shipment headed west by train, and still more were destroyed! If both these stories are true (I know the first is true as it came directly from Ro; the second story came from another Lnl dealer out west), the already-short-supply of Alton sets is going to be considerably less ! Hopefully, I am not spreading unbased rumors here, but I suspect both are true, based on the sources. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST 978-465-8798 VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42234	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 11/22/2006
Subject: Just my thought

In a message dated 11/22/2006 1:59:10 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, mrstumpy@... writes: think this could become as convoluted OR everyone could just have a HAPPY THANKSGIVING From the Keystone Main, Jim Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42235	From: tomminil@aol.com	Date: 11/22/2006
Subject: Re: Alton sets

Hang on to your hats this is more expensive than the SONY PS 3 Tom [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42236	From: Roy Inman	Date: 11/22/2006
Subject: Re: Just my thought!

Hey, "Lionel S gauge" makes sense. It is "in the spirit" of the old Flyer, but of course it ain't the same. Some of it is better. IMHO, Roy Inman From: Jerry Matsick <jpmatsick@...> Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 16:50:39 +0000 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] re: Just my thought! As great and fantastic as Gilbert and American Flyer are and what those trains mean to each of us. I believe the Name of American Flyer means A.C. Gilbert. I also believe Lionel has moved ahead and is establishing a good name for itself in supplying S Gauge trains for us. IMHO, just call the new stuff Lionel S gauge! Remember don't beat me up it is just my honest opinion! Jerry Matsick AvailableSGauge (Come on an join this group, to sell, purchase and trade for your S Gauge needs and desires! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42237	From: LARRY MOORE	Date: 11/22/2006
Subject: HAPPY THANKSGIVING

To all, Here is wishing everyone on the list a safe and Happy Thanksgiving, from my family to yours. You know what is even better, it is now time to put up the Christmas tree and put a train under it. Choo Choo. Larry Moore

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42238	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 11/22/2006
Subject: Re: Alton sets

Hang on to your hats this is more expensive than the SONY PS 3 It WAS to begin with. Let the feeding frenzy begin. I understand FLYONEL lost the plans. Jim "STILL wishing a Happy Thanksgiving from the Keystone Main" Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42239	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 11/22/2006
Subject: Docksider Smoke Improvement

I've done this to both the Docksider and the new Northern to improve the smoke output. Got this from a Lionel repair station repairman. Bypass the resistor, wire straight through to the smoke unit via the on/off switch. I have done this with excellent results, especially the docksider. Either cut the wires leading to the resistor or unsolder. You may remove all together or leave strapped in. The resistor board is covered with black heat shrink and is strapped to the Docksider motor and to the Northen brass piston chamber. In the case of the Northern, replace the wick material with either MTH wick material or angel hair used in Flyer smoke units. Pack the heating element area but don't over do it. Abnormal smoke fluid works best, can even use Super Smoke fluid. To quiet the "chirp" and improve the smoke piston pressure, take a packing peanut and cut it in a rectangular shape a little larger than the opening in the top of the smoke unit and about 1/2 inch deep. Carefully wedge it into the opening, this will cut down the chirp sound drastically and push out more smoke. Let me know how this works out for you. Harwood [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42240	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 11/22/2006
Subject: Re: HAPPY THANKSGIVING

THE SAME TO YOU AND THE GROUP! Harwood [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42241	From: medufus2000	Date: 11/22/2006
Subject: SpecCast1/64 trucks for sale

I have several SpecCast International and Peterbilt Tractor Trailers for sale $15.00 ea NIB please contact me for stock #'s Dufus Email gunny@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42242	From: Dave W	Date: 11/22/2006
Subject: K5/K6 colour scheme expert wanted

Hi gang, Been rummaging through old magazines but no luck. I remember an article on building a Bowser HO K4. The writer painted the loco in a maroon or red-brown colour scheme. Does this colour on a K4 ring a bell with anyone? Looking for something different for my K5 project.No laughing please ;0) Dave W

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42243	From: Russ Dondero	Date: 11/22/2006
Subject: Flyonel Northern

I too recently purchased the Flyonel UP 4-8-4 Northern with the elephant ears. My only problem is that the engine comes to a halt or near halt on certain parts of my layout, usually curves. I've made corrections by leveling my track better. So now I've got only one curve (with AF roadbed) which goes into a AF switch. I'm beginning to think the driver wheels are too tight and lock at times. Is anyone else out there having this problem. Russ in Oregon PS: This does not happen with any of my other engines - AF, SHS, AM (including the AM Northern) etc. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42244	From: Roy Inman	Date: 11/23/2006
Subject: Re: Flyonel Northern

Something I have not seen addressed in the forum is the fact that Lionel ships their steam engines (O and S) dry. At least the external lube points are dry. So I always apply a very light coat to the lube points suggested on the instructions. I have not had the binding you describe with my FEF, but of course I oiled 'er up as I said. Roy Inman From: Russ Dondero <russtrainmax@...> Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 18:04:11 -0800 (PST) To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Flyonel Northern I too recently purchased the Flyonel UP 4-8-4 Northern with the elephant ears. My only problem is that the engine comes to a halt or near halt on certain parts of my layout, usually curves. I've made corrections by leveling my track better. So now I've got only one curve (with AF roadbed) which goes into a AF switch. I'm beginning to think the driver wheels are too tight and lock at times. Is anyone else out there having this problem. Russ in Oregon PS: This does not happen with any of my other engines - AF, SHS, AM (including the AM Northern) etc. __________________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42245	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 11/23/2006
Subject: Re;K5/K6 color scheme expert wanted

Dave, I suspect you mean the Pennsylvania Railroads's K4 Pacifics or the two K5 Pacifics they experimented with(there was no K6.) These locos were usually painted black, though a few in earlier years were "Brunswick Green" with gold pin striping. The few Pennsy old timers I've talked to said Brunswick Green was so dark that it only appeared greenish in sunlight. As the years passed, shop forces were said to have mixed less green into the paint, possibly as a cost cutting measure. Only cab roofs and tender decks were a dark red, often refered to as "Pennsy Tuscan" by modelers. I think the article you refer to was in Railroad Model Craftsman many years ago. If I remember correctly, the writer was modeling a specific postwar passenger train and wanted the engine to match the cars. While a "Tuscan" K5 might send the rivet counters up the wall, it would certainly be pretty with matching train! Stumpy Stone...not really a Pennsy expert, just lots of slow days at the hobby shop and plenty of reading material.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42246	From: Al Paolozzi	Date: 11/23/2006
Subject: Fw: [S-Trains] Flyonel Northern

----- Original Message ----- From: Al Paolozzi To: Russ Dondero Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 8:12 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Flyonel Northern Hi Russ, I also had the gray Northern with the ears. It is back at Lionel. It never made it around my layout. When I received it, the lights did not work. I was going to take it apart to fix it. As I was examining the engine the smokestack insert fell out. To say the least, I was a lil P O 'd. I returned it to the store from which I bought it. Cost to ship it was 18.00. I called them after they received it and they told me the wires for the lights were pinched inside the engine. The smokestack fell out because the hole was oversize and would not screw in. They glued it in with hot glue. I was not too happy. It was shipped back to me. After I received it I placed it on my layout to test run it. It did not make it completely around the layout. It stopped in the same place of my layout, a curve. I checked it out and found that a wire to the trailing truck was not connected. I contacted Lionel this time and was NOT HAPPY!. This is a brand new engine that I paid for and I still have not run it around the layout and I don't know if the smoke works?? Lionel provided a Return Authorization and that is where the engine is. Another $18.oo to ship it. I also bought a black 4-8-4 which I received a week or two before the gray. On receipt of it the lights did not work either. I repaired it myself. It came with two bad light bulbs. To replace the light the engine has to come apart. What kind of engineering is that?? Anyway you might check the wires to the trailing truck. That is what was wrong with mine and it did exactly what you are describing. Good luck, Al Paolozzi ----- Original Message ----- From: Russ Dondero To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 6:04 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Flyonel Northern I too recently purchased the Flyonel UP 4-8-4 Northern with the elephant ears. My only problem is that the engine comes to a halt or near halt on certain parts of my layout, usually curves. I've made corrections by leveling my track better. So now I've got only one curve (with AF roadbed) which goes into a AF switch. I'm beginning to think the driver wheels are too tight and lock at times. Is anyone else out there having this problem. Russ in Oregon PS: This does not happen with any of my other engines - AF, SHS, AM (including the AM Northern) etc. __________________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42247	From: Bill Lane	Date: 11/23/2006
Subject: Building Guru needed

Happy Thanksgiving everyone, I have yet to get the desire to build structures, but will need some buildings for my modules next year. I am looking for a building and structure Guru. This will most likely be an assemble for $$ deal, but perhaps we could trade building assembly for rolling stock painting. Living close to South Jersey is a definite plus giving the delicate nature of completed buildings, but that is not completely necessary. Having a digital camera would help make up for not living close to me. Knowledge of the PRR and PRSL is another plus. All items will be S Scale. This would be starting late winter and into the spring and possibly beyond. I am currently not much interested in completed building interiors. Get the building done with some tasteful weathering and realistic extra details and I am good to go. First up could be the completion of some Trainstuff http://www.trainstuffllc.com/public_html/index2.html urethane kits. Next could be the completion of my 1/3 complete wood Orbisonia station kit. http://www.btsrr.com/bts7127.htm If you are still willing, we could move on to scratchbuilding another station that would require the expert ability to scale from photos and imagineer sizes based on possible known sizes. I do not have any plans for this station. With the train sheds this would be a pretty involved project. The cherry on top could be scratchbuilding a roundhouse with the flavor of the PRR. Time lines are not overly important to me. The ability to have reasonably constant and steady progress is important. I would assist in finding the materials for any scratchbuilding projects if needed. Please reply directly to billlane@... if you are interested or know someone who may be interested. Thank You, Bill Lane Modeling the Mighty Pennsy in 1957 in S Scale since 1988 See my finished models at: http://www.lanestrains.com Look at what has been made in PRR in S Scale! Importing a Brass S Scale PRR X29 & G26 http://www.pennsysmodels.com PRR Builders Photos Bought, Sold & Traded (Trading is MUCH preferred) http://mywebpages.comcast.net/billlane/PRRphotos.xls ***Join the PRR T&HS*** The other members are not ALL like me! http://www.prrths.com http://mywebpages.comcast.net/billlane/PRRTHS_Application.pdf See my Altoona train videos here http://www.myspace.com/billlane

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42248	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 11/23/2006
Subject: Re: [toytrains] Digest Number 4503,Train Displays

I am working on a list of Train Displays available in Central PA. Al Unger's family & friends will open their layout next Friday evening in Lancaster's PENN SQUARE, (not demolished yet by redevelopers), after the lighting of the city's Christmas Tree in front of Al's second floor windows. FREE, donations graciously accepted. Will try to post a more acccurate schedule as I get the info. Our PVMR layout will be open in the lobby of DUTCHWAY FARM MARKET in GAP, PA south of Rt 30 on Rt 41. Opening Wed Nov 29, will be open thru Sat the 2nd (GREAT subs for sale on the 30th, 1st and 2nd). Will reopen on the 6th thru the 9th. FREE Admission, donations graciously accepted. Willl let you know when the "Fire Lads and Lassies" will join us. Glen Rock Fire Co exhibit in Glen Rock, PA Library. 5 layouts, I'm sure Chief Gene will give us a schedule. Elizabethtown Masonic Homes display, Sat & Sun, will try for dates there. Donation ALL ABOARD RAILROAD, Landis Valley Rd, Lancaster PA, Afternoons--Saturdays and Sundays thru New Years. LARGE American Flyer layout, Admisision charged. Root's Country Market, Graystone Rd, Manheim, Dec 9th, PVMR's travelling SHS layout will be on view, Christmas Bazaar----FREE admission. CHOO CHOO BARN, RT 741 Strasburg, PA Admission charged. NTTM, Paradise Lane, Strasburg, PA Admission charged. Elizabethtown Library, check hours. Donations??? Garden Spot Village, New Holland, afternoons, haven't seen a schedule yet. Donation. Short Line Railroad, Ephrata, PA, S& S, Downtown in a basement, Donation Steigel Valley Lines, Manheim Railroad Station, Manheim PA. S & S, Donation Scottish Rite Temple, off of Museum Road, Reading. Weekend evenings, Many layouts, live Nativity scene, next to Reading Hospital, will get schedule. Donations York Model Railroad, Wheatfield Street. Easy to get to from Rt 83 (as is Glen Rock)Phenominal H O layout, they built a building to build a layout, pre-dates WWII. Admission donation at door Our good friends in South Jersey, the South Jersey S Gaugers, will have their Echelon Mall layout open weekends thru Christmas (then the Mall is scheduled to be torn down). OK, NOT Central PA, but they will be HERE on New Years Eve, barring blizzards. Jim "Happy Thanksgiving from the Keystone Main" Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42249	From: lember2004	Date: 11/23/2006
Subject: Roadbed use tips, please

I am resolved to get my main line track laid out and operating before my daughter comes for a visit in mid-December. I would appreciate this group's wisdom on the use of roadbed. Here is my dilemma: I am using original Gilbert track. I would like to also use rubber roadbed both for appearance and noise-reduction. However, I do not yet know where I will want to place all the track trips, track terminals, uncouplers, activation rails, accessories, etc: all items that are convenient to just slip under/on to the track when there is no roadbed, but with roadbed attached are a pain without disrupting, bending, or pulling the track out of place. Plus, I want the flexibility to later easily move these track attachments around to new locations. Your experience and suggestions will be much appreciated! Mark

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42251	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 11/23/2006
Subject: Flyonel

Stumpy, I too like the name Flyonel to describe the S items coming from Lionel. You know what it is without a thought-that's easy for me. On the other topic though, I've never cared for 'Flyer compatible' because I feel it pushes everything that isn't scale into the toy train realm. I view a Hi-railer as leaning toward scale, but does not want to see the Flyer sitting on the shelf, someone who like to keep their options open. How you chose to detail your layout is up to you, but the track and wheels are a set item. I like the Hi-rail wheels and flanges as they are much more reliable than scale (just look at today's posting on the S-scale list) and the rail height is just high enough to accommodate the Flyer flange-not fine scale but still very good looking, especially when compared with the code 172 and larger products. One of the big complaints about Hi-rail was the lack of realistic turnouts. The Flyer end of the spectrum is loaded with turnouts as is the scale end. Hi-railers had no choice other than the AM #4 or some toyish looking closing frog turnout. Luckily, those days are over. BBQ-ing a couple of turkeys (no, not rivet counters <VBG>, two 10 LBers) today. Happy Thanksgiving Day to all, Hi-railing in Maine, Tom Stoltz [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42252	From: rj4010d	Date: 11/23/2006
Subject: E-Bay listing

Just listed an American Models two button controler on e-bay.I'm using a Lionel TMCC system & have no use for it now. Check out item# 180054810555.Also listed S Helper '03 Xmas car with Rudolph / flashing nose item # 180054799969. Bob Guckian, Eaton, Oh

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42253	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 11/23/2006
Subject: Re: Roadbed use tips, please

What few "trips" we use at PVMR are slid between the roadbed and the rail. Not really an issue here, we move them if we want (need) to. Hopefully last year for "rubbber roadbed". On to S-TRAX for us. Jim "dinner was great on the Keystone Main" Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42254	From: LARRY MOORE	Date: 11/23/2006
Subject: "OLD" vs "THE LATEST AND GREATEST"

I have found the chat very interesting today, and over the past few months, about all the problems with the new "S" engines. Loose wires, weak or no smoke, the wimpy choo-choo sound, granted they look good but will they still be running in 50 years. At $300 to $500 a pop I would much rather invest in a " Classic Flyer" engine or 2-3 for the same money. You put it on the work bench, clean it, lube it, put it on the track and guess what, it runs. It smokes, it choo-choos, and they don't look bad either; and for my money they will be running in 50 more years. They do all the things that owners of the new ones are having problems with. Remember what has been said about " imitation being the sincerest form of flattery". Today's engineers can try with, electronics and modern technology, to duplicate what the Gilbert engineers accomplished in the past, but it appears to me they keep coming up short. I hope I have not offended anybody, just stating an opinion and observations. Keep the "Flyer Classics" running. Thanks Larry

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42255	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 11/23/2006
Subject: Re: Docksider smoke unit

YES!, the smoke comes out in volumes, BIG difference. Very easy to take this engine apart. Harwood [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42256	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 11/23/2006
Subject: Re: Roadbed use tips, please

In a message dated 11/23/2006 8:47:11 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, lember2004@... writes: By the way, why did you decide to go to S-TRAX? Appearance, Nickel-Silver track, "locking" knuckle joints, the three radii (need 4, maybe). Knowledge that SHS won't ship inferior product. Will see IF we can "slip join" at sections of layout. Don't know why we can't. Jim Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42257	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 11/24/2006
Subject: Re;Old vs The Latest and Greatest

I'm not sure I'm ready to write off the modern electronic stuff, but there's alot to be said for the old Flyer trains. Working at a hobby shop part time and having fought my way through the MTH "Proto One" electronics hassle when in O gauge has given me a somewhat jaunticed eye toward electronics. Recent issues of O Gauge Railroader magazine have covered "Problems with TMCC" and "Problems with MTH's DCS System." We have been dealing with electronic problems with customers' trains at the store. The wait for MTH warranty service on circuit boards is at least five months now. No one on this list will confuse me with an American Flyer collector or restorer. I solve the biggest Gilbert problem of sticky reverse units and overheating motors by installing a can motor and going straight DC power for operation. I collect junk boxes and build locomotives or buy the cheap and plentiful stuff for my motive power needs. I find the sense of accomplishment satisfying and my locomotives light, smoke, and chug without $100. circuit boards. The only "electronic" loco left in the fleet is my S Helper 2-8-0 which has not been run except for test running when I bought it. Nice as it is, I find myself enjoying the rebuilt Flyer so much I don't want to hook up the control box and run it. Stumpy Stone...yeah, I'm different...Martins Ferry, OH.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42258	From: mvandiver2@aol.com	Date: 11/24/2006
Subject: Styrofoam for modeling

I am about the ventrue into the world of doing scenery. I have often read/heard of people using "extruded" styrofoam for this purpose. What is it? How do I know when I "got it?" Why should it be used? Is there something better? Thanks. Mike Vandiver [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42259	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 11/24/2006
Subject: Flyer needs fewer catagories

Here is an answer on the S Scale list from the old S Gauge Herald: Posted by: "Stan Stokrocki" Thu Nov 23, 2006 3:38 pm (PST) For a historical perspective, I dug out a 1972 S Gauge Herald Yearbook. The annual directory of model railroaders used this system: SCALE: a. Code 125 rail or smaller b. Scale wheel flanges c. Kadee, scale dummy or other proportionate coupler. d. All models, structures, and scenic effects closely proportioned to 3/16" scale. SEMI-SCALE: a. Code 125 rail or larger b. Scale or Hi-Rail wheel flanges c. Kadee, scale dummy, or other proportionate coupler. d. All models, structures, and scenic effects closely proportioned to 3/16" scale HI-RAIL: a. A.F. or Gargraves track (if A.F. track, it has extra ties and improved appearance. b. Hi-Rail or Tinplate wheel flanges c. Couplers not necessarily to 3/16" scale. d. All models, structures, and scenic effects closely proportioned to 3/16" scale. TINPLATE: a. A.F. Track b. Tinplate wheel flanges c. A.F. couplers d. All models, structures, and scenic effects not necessarily proportioned to 3/16" scale. Stan Stokrocki [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42260	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 11/24/2006
Subject: Categories

Hello All, This was posted on the scale list. I, for one, would like to see the NASG adopt these definitions (or something similar) so we would have a place to refer. An added benefit would be that this discussion wouldn't have to come up once a year with all the varying opinions. The next question is, how do we get the NASG to add this to the game plan? Thanks, Tom Stoltz Tom's Turnouts & Trackwork Maine S Gaugers NASG http://s-scale.org/albums/v/s-vendors/Stoltz/ <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/message/39776;_ylc=X3oDMTJxYWpsa3R2BF 9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzI1MjE5MARncnBzcElkAzE3MDY1MzM4MTgEbXNnSWQDMzk3NzYEc2 VjA2Rtc2cEc2xrA3Ztc2cEc3RpbWUDMTE2NDM3MTcyMw--> Re: Categories Posted by: "Stan Stokrocki" <mailto:sscale@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Categories> sscale@... <http://profiles.yahoo.com/hudsoncentralrr> hudsoncentralrr Thu Nov 23, 2006 3:38 pm (PST) For a historical perspective, I dug out a 1972 S Gauge Herald Yearbook. The annual directory of model railroaders used this system: SCALE: a. Code 125 rail or smaller b. Scale wheel flanges c. Kadee, scale dummy or other proportionate coupler. d. All models, structures, and scenic effects closely proportioned to 3/16" scale. SEMI-SCALE: a. Code 125 rail or larger b. Scale or Hi-Rail wheel flanges c. Kadee, scale dummy, or other proportionate coupler. d. All models, structures, and scenic effects closely proportioned to 3/16" scale HI-RAIL: a. A.F. or Gargraves track (if A.F. track, it has extra ties and improved appearance. b. Hi-Rail or Tinplate wheel flanges c. Couplers not necessarily to 3/16" scale. d. All models, structures, and scenic effects closely proportioned to 3/16" scale. TINPLATE: a. A.F. Track b. Tinplate wheel flanges c. A.F. couplers d. All models, structures, and scenic effects not necessarily proportioned to 3/16" scale. Stan Stokrocki [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42261	From: g94a95	Date: 11/24/2006
Subject: Medford Train Show

Hi Folks...I know this is kind of sudden but Ive decided at the last minute to brave the snowy passes and drive over to Medford for tomorrows show. I know its only 65 miles from Klamath Falls but I hate the white stuff!!!! What I need to know is, is there any place for train hunting in Medford??? I plan on spending the night there and going to the show in th AM...I could also use a recomendation on a good place to eat. Im bringing my 11 yr old daughter so its gotta have a little class...Thanx in advance...Bill

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42263	From: Trains	Date: 11/24/2006
Subject: Re: Medford Train Show

Bill, the Medford Armory train show is a good "train hunting" place all by it self. They have a number of displays in a variety of scales, and Leggo trains and lionel and G etc. lots for kids to enjoy....the balconies are where the dealers are (my self included) and there is all kinds of stuff for sale in a variety of scales and from new to used and worn. Plenty of S items. There are also a few hobby shops with more or less reg. retail items. And there are two hobby shops in Medford no S though. As far as food goes...there are several places near the armory one is Hometown Buffet, nice selection good quality, ....McGraffs seafood, good quality, nice place, ...Roosters an average restaurant nice food and decor, and then Shari's a 24 hour chain. Also all the fast food places. All these places are within four blocks of the train show. The area is a shopping hub for south Medford. Stop by and see me at the show, Peter Loeb ----- Original Message ----- From: g94a95 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 24, 2006 11:15 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Medford Train Show Hi Folks...I know this is kind of sudden but Ive decided at the last minute to brave the snowy passes and drive over to Medford for tomorrows show. I know its only 65 miles from Klamath Falls but I hate the white stuff!!!! What I need to know is, is there any place for train hunting in Medford??? I plan on spending the night there and going to the show in th AM...I could also use a recomendation on a good place to eat. Im bringing my 11 yr old daughter so its gotta have a little class...Thanx in advance...Bill [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42264	From: afjerryk5	Date: 11/24/2006
Subject: Styrofoam

Extruded styrofoam is used as insulation,it usually comes in sheets {4'x8' 2'x8'etc.)Color is usually blue or pink,sometimes gray.It's available at lumberyards or"big box"home improvment stores.It's easily cut with a serrated knife or hot wire tool.To fasten or laminate it use Elmer's or Liquid Nails for projects.Solvent type adhesives will dissolve styro.Other type is white,usually used for packaging,also sold as beadboard,lousy stuff for scenery,flimsy and crumbly.Have fun with your scenery. Jerry

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42265	From: Eric R.	Date: 11/24/2006
Subject: FW: S Hi Rail stuff for sale - Update addition

I have the 12 AM passenger knuckle couplers to go with these trucks. I will include 2 with each set at the previous price. These list at $3.50 pair. http://www.americanmodels.com/_photos/cpl602.jpg http://www.americanmodels.com/misc/wheels.html -----Original Message----- From: Eric R. [mailto:northline@...] Sent: Friday, November 24, 2006 5:46 PM To: availableS Gauge (AvailableSgauge@yahoogroups.com); S-trains@yahoogroups.com (S-trains@yahoogroups.com) Subject: S Hi Rail stuff for sale I have 6 packages of new American models Budd Car Trucks for sale. These are Hi-Rail, 2 trucks in a set. These are $25 a set plus ship each from AM. I will sell them for $22 a set shipped to USA48. will sell in pairs of sets (4 trucks) Buy all 6 sets for $125 shipped. http://www.americanmodels.com/_photos/844.jpg http://www.americanmodels.com/misc/wheels.html I also have 2 American models streamline passenger cars for sale. These are the baggage car and the observation car. They are in kit form and have been painted a primer gray. They probably will need to be stripped and repainted for your line. $75 takes the pair home, shipping to USA48 included. I can send pictures. MO, CC and Paypal work, thanks Eric Reis P.O. Box 82126 Kenmore, Wa 98028 northline@... TCA and NASG since '87. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42266	From: Eric R.	Date: 11/24/2006
Subject: S Hi Rail stuff for sale

I have 6 packages of new American models Budd Car Trucks for sale. These are Hi-Rail, 2 trucks in a set. These are $25 a set plus ship each from AM. I will sell them for $22 a set shipped to USA48. will sell in pairs of sets (4 trucks) Buy all 6 sets for $125 shipped. http://www.americanmodels.com/_photos/844.jpg http://www.americanmodels.com/misc/wheels.html I also have 2 American models streamline passenger cars for sale. These are the baggage car and the observation car. They are in kit form and have been painted a primer gray. They probably will need to be stripped and repainted for your line. $75 takes the pair home, shipping to USA48 included. I can send pictures. MO, CC and Paypal work, thanks Eric Reis P.O. Box 82126 Kenmore, Wa 98028 northline@... TCA and NASG since '87. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42267	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 11/24/2006
Subject: Re;Styrofoam for modeling

Basically there are two types of styrofoam. The "bead board" molded of tiny round pellets which is commonly used for packaging and is pretty cheap. It is also used as building insulation and is almost always white in color. Locally it runs $12. to $16. Much more useful is "extruded" styrofoam, which is a solid sheet and much stronger. It is used as building insulation and is usually found in blue or pink, although locally we get a green type under the "Green Guard" brand name. The extruded foam is more expensive. Around here extruded foam costs between $25. and $32. The difference is easily visible by looking at the end of the sheet. Both types come in thicknesses of 1" and 2" and usually in 4x8 foot sheets. They are both easily cut and carved with a steak knife, although a hot wire cutter is sold for this use too. Using either cutting tool, the bead board is messier. I use the 2" extruded foam as layout boards for S and On30 display layouts because of it's light weight. Cut off pieces become scenery material. I also like 1" extruded foam for scenery work, often carving and layering it up to depict rock strata. Used as bracing, I cover it with Plaster Cloth from Woodland Scenics to make hills. Both types of foam are disolved by solvent type glues and paints, so I use common white glue and latex paint. Stumpy Stone...happily using foam for over five years in Appalachia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42268	From: Bill Porter	Date: 11/25/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 3247

Has anyone on the list actually seen this stuff in Florida? Reply from Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2006 7:53 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Digest Number 3247 7. <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/42264;_ylc=X3oDMTJwOHEwaG8wB F9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM0MjI2NARzZ WMDZG1zZwRzbGsDdm1zZwRzdGltZQMxMTY0NDU5MTY3> Styrofoam Posted by: "afjerryk5" <mailto:afjerryk5@...?Subject=%20Re%3AStyrofoam> afjerryk5@... <http://profiles.yahoo.com/afjerryk5> afjerryk5 Fri Nov 24, 2006 7:39 pm (PST) Extruded styrofoam is used as insulation,it usually comes in sheets {4'x8' 2'x8'etc.)Color is usually blue or pink,sometimes gray.It's available at lumberyards or"big box"home improvment stores.It's easily cut with a serrated knife or hot wire tool.To fasten or laminate it use Elmer's or Liquid Nails for projects.Solvent type adhesives will dissolve styro.Other type is white,usually used for packaging,also sold as beadboard,lousy stuff for scenery,flimsy and crumbly.Have fun with your scenery. Jerry [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42269	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 11/25/2006
Subject: Re: Roadbed use tips, please

In a message dated 11/24/2006 6:35:54 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, poniaj@... writes: but depends on the show promoters to provide two six foot tables for the layout. Our 4 X 7 SHS layout requires an 8 ft table provided by host. The 8 X 16 layout sits on a central frame with sawhorse legs, with perimeter legs to support edges. Central frame rides on the roof of my service truck. 16 ft long is it, NOT buying larger truck. GMC has NO idea why this one uses so much gas, tho they DO know the size of the tank. Jim Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42270	From: Phil K	Date: 11/25/2006
Subject: Reminder: No political opinions

It seems appropriate to pass along the usual reminder. In the last two days I have delected two posts that contained unnecessary and smarmy political commentary that does not belong here. This is an S-gauge trains group. If you feel a need to clear your political throat, there are plenty of places elsewhere on the Internet that encourage that sort of complaining. Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42271	From: trainman634	Date: 11/25/2006
Subject: K-Line Trucks on American Flyer Freight Cars

Has anyone on this list installed K-Line S-Gauge trucks on AF freight cars? Is so, how did you do it? Did you have any problems switching trucks?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42272	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 11/25/2006
Subject: York PA Train Show Sunday November 26

Hi All, I will be attending the above event today at the fairgrounds. I'm sure that you all know how to find the place. The train season has finally taken off, and the shows in the 4 state area have been scenes of boom activity. So come if you can, and see you there. Fred Fred's Train Parts [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42273	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 11/25/2006
Subject: Re: I'M BACK

Please resume my mail, I'm back. Mike Thank You [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42274	From: Rick Evans	Date: 11/25/2006
Subject: Re: K-Line Trucks on American Flyer Freight Cars

I have not done so with K-Line trucks,....but I have with SHS trucks. http://s-scale.org/albums/v/friends/bassflyer/bassflyer_003/AF942+with+SHS+truckscouplers.JPG.html Piece-o-cake. You can see the two small spacer washers. I also used one of them lock-nut thingies on the machine screw. Rick. Has anyone on this list installed K-Line S-Gauge trucks on AF freight cars? Is so, how did you do it? Did you have any problems switching trucks? S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42275	From: Eric R.	Date: 11/26/2006
Subject: Thinning out some rolling stock (Passenger Cars) - (#3)

I have some extra American Models Passenger Cars to thin out, I will get down to the layout yet !!!. 1. AM Burlington Budd Car..hirail..chrome..Silver Larch....$60 (list $83) 2. AM Burlington Budd Car...hirail..chrome..Silver Inn...$60.. (list $83) 3. AM Undecorated Budd Car...hirail..chrome...$60. (list $75) (can substitute a third Burlington for this) http://www.americanmodels.com/_photos/bd8215.jpg http://www.americanmodels.com/rolling.stock/budd.html 4. AM lightweight Streamliner Car.. DOME...Painted gray Primer..in kit form..complete..scale or hirail wheels..$40 5. AM lightweight Streamliner Car.. DOME...Painted gray Primer..in kit form..complete..scale or hirail wheels..$40 6. AM lightweight Streamliner Car.. SLEEPER...Painted gray Prime.in kit form..complete..scale or hirail wheels..$40 7. AM lightweight Streamliner Car.. COACH...Painted gray Primer.in kit form..complete..scale or hirail wheels..$40 8. AM lightweight Streamliner Car.. COMBINE...Painted gray Primer.in kit form..complete..scale or hirail wheels..$35 9. AM lightweight Streamliner Car..OBSERVATION..Painted gray Prime.in kit form..complete..scale or hirail wheels..$35 The Budd cars are like new unused in their boxes, they have displayed and test run.., The lightweight cars are complete without boxes. I have carefully gone through and confirmed that the windows are all there for the cars. They have trucks with scale wheels, I have replacement S Helper Hi-rail wheels if the buyer wants instead. The primer on the first 4 is excellent and looks ready to paint, the primer on the combine and observation looks a little thicker, but probably is fine. I can send pix if wanted... Prices do not include shipping. It usually works out about $6 for one car and $2 for each additional. Budd Cars are heavy so $7 for 1 and $2.50 each additional... Buy all 3 Budd cars and I will ship free. ..Buy the 6 Streamliners and I will ship free. Thanks...MO., CC, or Paypal works. Eric Reis P.O. Box 82126 Kenmore, Wa. 98028 northline@... TCA and NASG since 1987 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42276	From: WEG138@aol.com	Date: 11/26/2006
Subject: Re: Edison train show

I attended the Edison toy train show yesterday. I brought along my twin Grandsons.The place was packed....more than in previous years. I also saw a lot of children. There were about 250 to 300 tables. Two were large and nothing but American Flyer. There were layouts in O , HO , and N gauge, but nothing in S gauge. There was a smattering of A F among the dealers. No one was selling American Models or S Helper. Bill Greaves [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42277	From: Howard Sheffield	Date: 11/26/2006
Subject: Re: Christmas trains

Hello Group For anyone interested in an SHS Christmas Maine Central and Christmas Caboose, I have two sets available as well as a few of the prior years cars. I am also offering a set in the SHS set box with the Illinois Central Gulf SW-9 and caboose with 3 cars and a set of SHS track for $260 plus shipping. No transformer at this price. If anyone is interested, please contact me off list. Howard Sheffield Howard' S Trains hjsheff@... 707-961-0186

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42278	From: fireladdie2003	Date: 11/26/2006
Subject: Operating Lionel/AF on DC

I recently bought the Lionel/AF Southern work train set and in the operating instructions it states "Do not power your locomotive with direct current. Damage to sensitive electronic components may occur." In the past I have operated American Models, SHS, and re-motored AF locos with electronic reverse units on direct current, and did not experence any problems! Has anybody out there in the group had any problems operating a Lione/AF loco on direct current? Or is Lionel being overly catuious? So far I have only operated the Southern loco on AC, using an old AF 8B transformer, not good for slow starts and low speed running. Thank you, Tom Davis

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42279	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 11/26/2006
Subject: American Flyer Mikados

I have 2 Southern Railway and 1 Union Pacific American Flyer Mikados, NEW in the box, SEALED in the shipper. $519.00 each, $12.00 USPS Continental US, Insurance optional. PA Sales Tax if PA resident. Postal Money Orders acccepted, personal checks allow 12 days. Thank You, Jim Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42280	From: Subscription | 1:64MG	Date: 11/26/2006
Subject: 1:64 Modeling Guide magazine & the Clabber Girl Series trucks (ADVE

Greetings & Happy Holidays! Friday was a *great* day. Our first experience with the Lawrenceville USPS went off without a hitch and I personally watch the postal person place the Standard Mail magazine on a truck for the primary Georgia distribution center. First Class, International and Dealers copies went out last week. But I won't ramble on about this or that or the fact that we now have available the first (of many) 1:64MG Promotional Vehicle now available on our website and you heard it here first! Follow this link http://tinyurl.com/y5hm3o and you will find out all about the "Clabber Girl Series I" and so much more! Best Regards, ============== DEBEN LLC ================ Richard E. Bendever 910 Millvale Place, Lawrenceville, GA 30044-6239 www.DEBENLLC.com | www.1-64ModelingGuide.com | www.FineScaleMiniatures.Biz | www.DoctorBens.Biz | www.DrBens.Com | www.MainStreetMotor.Biz ======================================= *NEW* Order Line: 770.985.2896 /FAX Line: 770.979.5069 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42281	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 11/26/2006
Subject: Re;Operating Lionel/AF on DC

My Lionel/AF Docksider has run on straight DC for some time now without a problem. I operate all straight DC power on my layout. Modern trains have DC can motors in them. Light bulbs and smoke unit elements work fine on either AC or DC, so they are no problem. My understanding is that the circuit boards convert AC to DC directly from the track for use in the engine. The only reason today's trains run on AC is so they are compatable with the original AC trains. Perhaps one of our resident electronics experts will chime in here and tell us more. Perhaps there is a reason Lionel puts a warning in their instructions, but I don't know enough about electronics to know what it would be. Stumpy Stone...DC operator in Martins Ferry, OH.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42282	From: screamingbabyairlines	Date: 11/26/2006
Subject: Cleaning Wheels

Hello to all! I want to thank everyone for the nice welcomes! Now down to business. I've set up a floor runner in a spare bedroom/office area. The track is kept cleaned, my kids they do this for me twice a week. We use Goo Gone, green scrubbing pads, pink-and-ink erasrers, and soft buffing clothes. The track just shines, but I keep getting tons of carbon buildup on the wheels of my AF engines. This is not the same for my American Models, S-Helper, or my Lionel/Flyer engines. Am I doinig something wrong??? What do I have to do??? Thanks! Will

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42283	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 11/26/2006
Subject: Re: Operating Lionel/AF on DC

Dear Stumpy, I think the Lionel engine must have TMCC as the ones I have seen have the warning against operating on DC. Although it may damage the electronics, being these are bi-mode with AC, I would assume that the DC current would either activate the whistle or bell depending on the polarity. Best regards, Don

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42284	From: srgriggs	Date: 11/26/2006
Subject: New Flyonel 4-6-2 and 2-8-2

It looks like the new C&A Pacific and the Mikados share the boiler casting. Is that true? Scott

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42285	From: Charles E. Smith	Date: 11/26/2006
Subject: Re: Re;Operating Lionel/AF on DC

My Lionel/AF Docksider has run on straight DC for some time now without a problem. I operate all straight DC power on my layout. Modern trains have DC can motors in them. Light bulbs and smoke unit elements work fine on either AC or DC, so they are no problem. My understanding is that the circuit boards convert AC to DC directly from the track for use in the engine. The only reason today's trains run on AC is so they are compatable with the original AC trains. Actually the primary reason to run AC for me is to use the AM sounds for whistle/horn and bell. For my SHS F3 I use locomatic sound control which runs with either AC or DC. Perhaps one of our resident electronics experts will chime in here and tell us more. Perhaps there is a reason Lionel puts a warning in their instructions, but I don't know enough about electronics to know what it would be. Stumpy Stone...DC operator in Martins Ferry, OH. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42286	From: Gerald Dobbs	Date: 11/27/2006
Subject: Flyonel

From: Al Paolozzi To: Russ Dondero Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 8:12 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Flyonel Northern Hi Russ, I also had the gray Northern with the ears. It is back at Lionel. It never made it around my layout. When I received it, the lights did not work. I was going to take it apart to fix it. As I was examining the engine the smokestack insert fell out. To say the least, I was a lil P O 'd. I returned it to the store from which I bought it. Cost to ship it was 18.00. I called them after they received it and they told me the wires for the lights were pinched inside the engine. The smokestack fell out because the hole was oversize and would not screw in. They glued it in with hot glue. I was not too happy. It was shipped back to me. After I received it I placed it on my layout to test run it. It did not make it completely around the layout. It stopped in the same place of my layout, a curve. I checked it out and found that a wire to the trailing truck was not connected. I contacted Lionel this time and was NOT HAPPY!. This is a brand new engine that I paid for and I still have not run it around the layout and I don't know if the smoke works?? Lionel provided a Return Authorization and that is where the engine is. Another $18.oo to ship it. I also bought a black 4-8-4 which I received a week or two before the gray. On receipt of it the lights did not work either. I repaired it myself. It came with two bad light bulbs. To replace the light the engine has to come apart. What kind of engineering is that?? Anyway you might check the wires to the trailing truck. That is what was wrong with mine and it did exactly what you are describing. Good luck, Al Paolozzi ----- Original Message ----- From: Russ Dondero To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 6:04 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Flyonel Northern I too recently purchased the Flyonel UP 4-8-4 Northern with the elephant ears. My only problem is that the engine comes to a halt or near halt on certain parts of my layout, usually curves. I've made corrections by leveling my track better. So now I've got only one curve (with AF roadbed) which goes into a AF switch. I'm beginning to think the driver wheels are too tight and lock at times. Is anyone else out there having this problem. Russ in Oregon PS: This does not happen with any of my other engines - AF, SHS, AM (including the AM Northern) etc. Russ and All A few months ago I was fighting a problem with a Rocklsand jeep That was purchased new at a local by a friend of mine who didn't take it out of the box, 1 year later I purchased it from him, it would not stay on the track on curves. Lionel refused to even look at the problem, one year warranty. The only dealer that offered help was Doug Peck ( Portline Hobbies ) with information about the undersize flanges on some locomotives. + the motor was binding with the frame, which I repaired. Changed out the lead wheels. It rund OK today But I did E-mail all and every complaint to the Lionel at TALKTOUS@LIONEL .COM I did get their attention. I feel that if a number of us complain we will make a difference. The Lionel Co. is not the old company that we grew up with. Today it is a paper Co. They closed the factory. The only thing they want to make in this country is your money. Jerry Dobbs TCA 77-11644

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42287	From: fireladdie2003	Date: 11/27/2006
Subject: Operating Lionel/AF on DC

Thanks to all who responded to my inquiry. I operated the loco on DC last night and it seemed to work fine, including the diredtional lighting. Tom Davis

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42288	From: frank emiro	Date: 11/27/2006
Subject: Re: Flyonel

Speaking of engineering, WHY on the new Northerns are the tender screws put in such a poor location. I am talking about the ones that need to be removed to put in a battery. BUT, they are great engines. Gerald Dobbs <grdobbs@...> wrote: From: Al Paolozzi To: Russ Dondero Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 8:12 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Flyonel Northern Hi Russ, I also had the gray Northern with the ears. It is back at Lionel. It never made it around my layout. When I received it, the lights did not work. I was going to take it apart to fix it. As I was examining the engine the smokestack insert fell out. To say the least, I was a lil P O 'd. I returned it to the store from which I bought it. Cost to ship it was 18.00. I called them after they received it and they told me the wires for the lights were pinched inside the engine. The smokestack fell out because the hole was oversize and would not screw in. They glued it in with hot glue. I was not too happy. It was shipped back to me. After I received it I placed it on my layout to test run it. It did not make it completely around the layout. It stopped in the same place of my layout, a curve. I checked it out and found that a wire to the trailing truck was not connected. I contacted Lionel this time and was NOT HAPPY!. This is a brand new engine that I paid for and I still have not run it around the layout and I don't know if the smoke works?? Lionel provided a Return Authorization and that is where the engine is. Another $18.oo to ship it. I also bought a black 4-8-4 which I received a week or two before the gray. On receipt of it the lights did not work either. I repaired it myself. It came with two bad light bulbs. To replace the light the engine has to come apart. What kind of engineering is that?? Anyway you might check the wires to the trailing truck. That is what was wrong with mine and it did exactly what you are describing. Good luck, Al Paolozzi ----- Original Message ----- From: Russ Dondero To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 6:04 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Flyonel Northern I too recently purchased the Flyonel UP 4-8-4 Northern with the elephant ears. My only problem is that the engine comes to a halt or near halt on certain parts of my layout, usually curves. I've made corrections by leveling my track better. So now I've got only one curve (with AF roadbed) which goes into a AF switch. I'm beginning to think the driver wheels are too tight and lock at times. Is anyone else out there having this problem. Russ in Oregon PS: This does not happen with any of my other engines - AF, SHS, AM (including the AM Northern) etc. Russ and All A few months ago I was fighting a problem with a Rocklsand jeep That was purchased new at a local by a friend of mine who didn't take it out of the box, 1 year later I purchased it from him, it would not stay on the track on curves. Lionel refused to even look at the problem, one year warranty. The only dealer that offered help was Doug Peck ( Portline Hobbies ) with information about the undersize flanges on some locomotives. + the motor was binding with the frame, which I repaired. Changed out the lead wheels. It rund OK today But I did E-mail all and every complaint to the Lionel at TALKTOUS@LIONEL .COM I did get their attention. I feel that if a number of us complain we will make a difference. The Lionel Co. is not the old company that we grew up with. Today it is a paper Co. They closed the factory. The only thing they want to make in this country is your money. Jerry Dobbs TCA 77-11644 --------------------------------- Cheap Talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42289	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 11/27/2006
Subject: Cleaning Wheels

Will, A good track cleaning car, I purchased mine from SnSTrains, and some of those scrub pads cut into 2" round discs should help you out. I recommend the SnS car highly. Worked great on our modular layout we had up at the Science Museum Christmas show this past weekend. Carlton [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42290	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 11/27/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 3249 - L-AF Pacifics

Scott, Yes. Entirely prototypical, too, for the C&A set. Light Pacifics were built by/for several RRs using the same USRA-derived boiler and cab design as for the USRA light Mikes. It was fairly clear from the illustration in the catalog that a second TMCC steamer was to be had by partially using the newly developed tooling in common with the Mikado. While on the subject of the "Alton Limited," this is one very pretty and nice running passenger set. I am really enjoying mine. Hope this helps. Bob Bubeck In a message dated 11/27/2006 7:11:46 AM Eastern Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes: It looks like the new C&A Pacific and the Mikados share the boiler casting. Is that true? Scott [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42291	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 11/27/2006
Subject: Re: "Christmas Train Time is here"

Looking for the special S gauge item, or the local dealer or local hobby shop is out of that item. Join "AvailableSGauge" and you can list your "Want" or "Got to have" post. Also something you have, and don't really need, another S GAUGER may be looking for it, so "list it on "AvailableSGauge". To Join our group: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AvailableSgauge/ Every "S-Train Group Member" is welcome to join! Thank you Jerry Matsick Moderator

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42292	From: manderman	Date: 11/27/2006
Subject: C&A "Alton"

Hello All, If anyone is looking for an ALTON set I happened to stumble across a hobby shop that that has one in stock in the shipping carton ready to go. I believe he is asking the MSRP. If anyone is interested, contact me off list and I will send this person's contact info to you. manderman@... Mark Anderman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42293	From: Phil K	Date: 11/27/2006
Subject: Re: C&A "Alton"

They are already starting to pop up on eBay, too. Mfg's sugg retail is $839.99. Right now opening bids are around $840, Buy-It-Now at $1050. Phil K -- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "manderman " <Manderman@...> wrote: > > Hello All, > > If anyone is looking for an ALTON set I happened to > stumble across a hobby shop that that has one in stock in > the shipping carton ready to go. I believe he is asking > the MSRP. If anyone is interested, contact me off list > and I will send this person's contact info to you. > > manderman@... > > Mark Anderman >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42294	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 11/28/2006
Subject: Found;Old Dutch Cleanser reefer

Well, not exactly.....It seems there were only a small number of these made, and nobody wants to sell them. Fortunately Bob Anson in Jacksonville, FL. came to my rescue and created a set of S gauge decals on his ALPS printer. He spent some time shrinking these from O gauge graphics and they sized out just right for the S Helper wood reefer car. I removed the lettering on an S Helper car by lightly sanding it, then repainted it and applied the decals. The process is a bit tedious, but the car came out very satisfactory! A photo is in the S Trains PHOTOS (see box at upper left of home page) under Stumpy's Stuff. Stumpy Stone...chasing dirt in Appalachia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42295	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 11/28/2006
Subject: Re;C&A "Alton"

We've got an Alton set at G&M Train & Hobby in Martins Ferry, OH. Also a set of Union Pacific heavyweight cars, a Southern Mikado, and all the latest cars and locos (except Northerns.) We have S Helper Csteam engine, American Models diesels, and a big selecction of both manufacturers cars. SHS sectional track on hand too. Old Gilbert stuff on hand includes a Northern Pacific Diesel passenger set, cattle loaders, a baggage loader, and a bunch of more common locos and cars. Biggest stock of used Flyer in a LONG time. Call Gary or Mike at 740/633-6354 10am to 5pm daily. Stumpy Stone...see, it pays to have an S guy working at the hobby shop part time...Martins Ferry, OH.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42296	From: fivechime@aol.com	Date: 11/28/2006
Subject: Shopping Center In Cupertino California With O/S Layout

Anyone know about the shopping center in Cupertino, California who has turned a vacant space over to operators of O and S trains? I'd read about this a few years ago but don't know if it's still going on. Any information would be appreciated. Regards, Jim Evans ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42297	From: just ask	Date: 11/28/2006
Subject: Handle for a 8 b

hello guys I just bought a 8 b like brand new for $20.00 but no handle. I am trying to locate a red handle or piece to put on this. any suggestions? Nick

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42298	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 11/28/2006
Subject: loads

Hi Guys and Gals, A while back someone asked about gondola loads and I never cast my 2¢. Some neat things I have put into use are: the caps from Aquafresh toothpaste. I place them back to back (top to top), ten per gondola—center pair needs to be notched to fit the center rib in the gondola; five caps from Shout gel; or five caps from the mid size Listerine. All these caps fit like they were made for the ACG gon. Tom Stoltz Tom’s Turnouts & Trackwork Maine S Gaugers NASG http://s-scale.org/albums/v/s-vendors/Stoltz/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42299	From: Nelson	Date: 11/28/2006
Subject: American Flyer Promo Outtakes

I found this on Google Video, and as you'll see it's labelled Lionel (AF don't get no respect, I tell ya). It's interseting how they built the layout on a turntable so they could have a static camera and rotate the track instead. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1495122124952353449&q=lionel+tr\ ains <http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1495122124952353449&q=lionel+t\ rains> Nelson [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42300	From: aglorince	Date: 11/29/2006
Subject: magazine back issue pre inventory clearance

i have back issues of the following magazines available: 3/16 scale railroading vol 1 no 3 through vol 3 no 5 ctc board mar 1988 through dec 2005. i dont have all issues but do have many of them. mainline modler apr 1990, mar 1991 through dec 2005. coverage on older issues are patchy. rail model journal jan 1991 through dec 2005, coverage on older issues spotty. s gaugian may 1988 through dec 2005. coverage spotty. sn3 modeling winter 87 through winter 2005 s/sn3 modeling guide vol 3 no 2 through vol 8 no 5 discount will depend on number of issues ordered. single issue price $5 us. quantities about 25% discount shipping within usa is included. contact off line andy lorince alorince@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42301	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 11/29/2006
Subject: Re: American Flyer Promo Outtakes

I have seen this rotating layout used in several AF TV ads from the 50s. They used the rotating layout to allow the camera to be placed on a stationary mount. It's interesting how they matched the train speed to the layout speed to capture individual cars in the camera frame. Now flash forward 50 years and think about how this would be done today using a computer generated layout. BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Nelson" <greenbrier614@...> wrote: > > > I found this on Google Video, and as you'll see it's labelled Lionel > (AF don't get no respect, I tell ya). > > It's interseting how they built the layout on a turntable so they > could have a static camera and rotate the track instead. > > http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=- 1495122124952353449&q=lionel+tr\ > ains > <http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=- 1495122124952353449&q=lionel+t\ > rains> > > Nelson > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42302	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 11/29/2006
Subject: How to remove windows from AM Budd cars for purpose of repainting ?

I am wanting to repaint some of the American Models Budd Cars and am trying to remove the windows. . Has anyone on this list removed the windows, and later reapplied them, who can give me some guidance on how to proceed? . Thanks in advance - Earl Henry, Nashville [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42303	From: Eric Child	Date: 11/29/2006
Subject: Shopping Center In Cupertino California With O/S Layout

The center is Vallco and is run by the Golden State division of TTOS. Their web site is http://www.trainweb.org/gsttos/ There is a standard gauge layout in a separate room and then an S gauge layout and two O gauge layouts (three loops on each) in the main room. The O and S layouts have TMCC and the front O gauge layout also has MTH DCS control.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42304	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 11/29/2006
Subject: PVMR November 29th

PVMR layout is up and running at DUTCHWAY FARM MARKET in Gap, PA. LOTS of thanks go to Glenn Ritter for joining us this AM and helping out. Glenn's original purpose was to spread the GOOD NEWS of "S", by dropping off NASG literature and info. Apparently UPS put one "on the ground" somewhere and the goodies were delayed( my DHL story will follow). Glenn, however, appeared this AM anyway and ultimately helped set up the layout. LOTS of thanks to Glenn, his willingness to help is part of what makes our little guage so special.. Jim "runnin' trains on the Dutchway Line" Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42305	From: Robert Graves	Date: 11/30/2006
Subject: Re: Handle for a 8 b

I know I've seen them at some parts places, but I can't remember where right off the top of my head. Start with Doug Peck at Portlines. Then Marty's Trains, RFG, Gilbert Guru, Triple-S, ... just ask <njma34@...> wrote: hello guys I just bought a 8 b like brand new for $20.00 but no handle. I am trying to locate a red handle or piece to put on this. any suggestions? Nick --------------------------------- Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42306	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 11/30/2006
Subject: Re: American Flyer Promo Outtakes

I recently received a "flyer" from the Hagerstown, MD Roundhouse Museuem promoting their O gauge Christmas layout. The accompanying illustration though, looked very familiar. It's at: http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/view/e611?b=4 Roy --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Nelson" <greenbrier614@...> wrote: > > > I found this on Google Video, and as you'll see it's labelled Lionel > (AF don't get no respect, I tell ya). > > It's interseting how they built the layout on a turntable so they > could have a static camera and rotate the track instead. > > http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1495122124952353449&q=lionel+tr\ > ains > <http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1495122124952353449&q=lionel+t\ > rains> > > Nelson > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42307	From: amflyrguy	Date: 11/30/2006
Subject: Cattle tips work

Just a note to say thanks to the FAQ's. I've had stubborn cattle for a long time, but the paint pad tip worked great. I cut them at a 24 degree angle and the little boogers are fighting each other to get up the ramp. A cheap fix that took care of a lot of frustration. Just one of the many good tips in the FAQ's!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42308	From: Mac	Date: 11/30/2006
Subject: Railsounds in Mike

All sound in my Flyonel Mike have gone quite quiet. I can't find the combination, if it exists, to restart the sound. Any suggestions? Thanks. Mac [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42309	From: geep39	Date: 11/30/2006
Subject: AF Promo Outakes

I suppose that the layout was built on a turntable, but more likely, it was built on a bicycle wheel. This was a common "trick", even Lionel used it, and Varney had such a set-up with a globe in the center, and was used to promote their docksider loco. A neat phenomenon is that the movement of the train actually makes the wheel move, and the speed of the train has to be just right to make the wheel turn and the train stay in the same location. It's a neat idea for a public display of some kind. It draws attention!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42310	From: Ron Inscho	Date: 11/30/2006
Subject: Re: Railsounds in Mike

All 3 of mine failed like that after about 3 hours running, I tried new batteries & checked all the other stuff, could'nt find anything, so after going through the Lionel return procedure ( you need to call then to get a r.a. #)it took them 3 weeks to return them ( not really too bad ) only to find out they had to replace all of the electronics in both the engine & tender , All is ok now but I still think these engines have too much electronics & may not age too well , Ron

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42311	From: Doug Peck	Date: 11/30/2006
Subject: Re: Handle for a 8 b

The 8b handle is not reproduced, to my knowledge. It came with either a long red metal handle to which a wooden extension screwed onto the end, or with a long maroon bakelite handle. Only the wood extension is reproduced, so you'll have to hunt for a used original handle. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours: Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, & Saturdays--- 2-5 PM (EST) 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: www.portlines.com <http://www.portlines.com/> E-mail: doug@... VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42312	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 11/30/2006
Subject: Re: Railsounds in Mike

When changing batteries it is very easy to break a wire connection. Prior to sending back, you may want to take the tender cover off and look for a broken wire or loose plug-in. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mac" <macflyer@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 2:14 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Railsounds in Mike > All sound in my Flyonel Mike have gone quite quiet. I can't find the > combination, if it exists, to restart the sound. Any suggestions? Thanks. > Mac > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42313	From: frank emiro	Date: 11/30/2006
Subject: Re: Railsounds in Mike

It is true about the wires, but open the tender up and check and be sure the sound board is tight in place. I had an engine wired at the Big L and when it did not produce sound upon its return, L suggested to push down the sound board. When I opened up the tender, the board was loose due to shipping. Mark Kiner <AF336@...> wrote: When changing batteries it is very easy to break a wire connection. Prior to sending back, you may want to take the tender cover off and look for a broken wire or loose plug-in. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mac" <macflyer@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 2:14 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Railsounds in Mike > All sound in my Flyonel Mike have gone quite quiet. I can't find the > combination, if it exists, to restart the sound. Any suggestions? Thanks. > Mac > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > --------------------------------- Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42314	From: bkweidner	Date: 11/30/2006
Subject: Model builder software

I have bought the software pckage for $45 and it is amazing the realistic buildings that you can create with this program and you can print to several scales including S, and G.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42315	From: Gerald Dobbs	Date: 12/1/2006
Subject: Sound

My 336 solid state sound unit is still working well, and has never had a battery replacement, although the whistle is a little raspy. Jerry HR77-11644

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42316	From: Bill Porter	Date: 12/1/2006
Subject: Re: Model builder software

Do you have any details? Source? Company name? Product name? Further information? It sounds interesting. Is it the Fiddler's Green product or something else? Thanks, Bill Reply from Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bkweidner Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 10:08 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Model builder software I have bought the software pckage for $45 and it is amazing the realistic buildings that you can create with this program and you can print to several scales including S, and G. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42317	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 12/1/2006
Subject: Stumpy's little layout -- Fw: {S-Scale List} Small S scale layout

This was on the S-Scale Yahoo list. I saw the layout refered to and talked to Stumpy. Both quite interesting. --- Tom Hawley ----- Original Message ----- From: G. Elems To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 12:17 AM Subject: {S-Scale List} Small S scale layout Here is a neat little layout. It's the eleventh one on this page so you will have to scroll down almost to the bottom. http://www.carendt.us/scrapbook/page56/index.html Did anyone see this at the S Spree? Greg Elems Reno, NV [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42318	From: bkweidner	Date: 12/1/2006
Subject: Model Builder Software website

Here is the website for this great modeling tool. www.modeltrainsoftware.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42319	From: bkweidner	Date: 12/1/2006
Subject: Re: Model Builder Software website

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "bkweidner" <weidner@...> wrote: > > Here is the website for this great modeling tool. > > www.modeltrainsoftware.com > there is a good thread on the ogr forum http://ogaugerr.infopop.cc/groupee/forums go to the 3rail forum and scroll down to the thread has anyone else used Model Builder Software. there are some pics of what some of us have done. The name of the mfg. is Evan Design and the product is called Model Builder Software. The only limitb is your imagination.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42320	From: Mark Preman	Date: 12/1/2006
Subject: December Train Shows in Tampa, Florida

For your travel planning................ Two shows at the Tampa Fairgrounds in December; Dec 16 and 17 Golden Spike Show Dec 30 and 31 Great Train Expo I will be at both with two booths (6 tables) full of American Flyer goodies. Mark Mark B. Preman AmericanFlyerTrains.com --------------------------------- Access over 1 million songs - Yahoo! Music Unlimited. Mark B. Preman AmericanFlyerTrains.com --------------------------------- Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42321	From: Mark Preman	Date: 12/1/2006
Subject: American Flyer Trains For Sale - Ho, Ho, Ho!

This is your list sponsor speaking, "Ho Ho Ho!" The website is decorated for the holiday season. http://www.americanflyertrains.com A sleigh full of new American Flyer goodies for sale is posted on the FOR SALE page at http://americanflyertrains.com/html/for_sale.html New stuff on the ODDS&ENDS page too! http://americanflyertrains.com/html/odds___ends.html Print the list and highlight those items you want from Santa and have your significant other call me, (I mean Santa Clause) with your credit card info. See how easy it is? Wishing everyone a Merry Christmas or a Happy Hanukka and a joyous New Year! Mark Mark B. Preman AmericanFlyerTrains.com --------------------------------- Cheap Talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42322	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 12/2/2006
Subject: 0-8-0 becomes 2-8-0

Click on the S Trains PHOTOS and go to Stumpy's Stuff to see this conversion of a junk 342 or 343 (I'm not sure what it was.) A couple of months ago I found a boiler shell and chassis of a rough 0-8-0. Having recently bought a complete 343, I could compare to see what all was needed to put the junk one back together and decided a conversion was a better option. Orders went off to various folks including Doug Peck and Terry Putt for parts, while an extra Atlantic plastic tender was dug out of another junk box. The real tough part was scratchbuilding a complete front end. The original 0-8-0 has a pilot beam/steps/coupler mount casting that mounts with the same screw that holds the chassis and boiler together. So I decided to do the same thing with hardwood, model avaiation plywood, plastruct channel and a Putt Mogul lead truck and pilot/cowcatcher casting. This way I could eventually return the loco to original as there would be no cutting needed. I made the drawbar out of a popsicle stick, a smokebox number plate from a cardstock punch out, and installed an engineer figure in the cab. The locomotive was then painted similar to my Putt Mogul to give a railroad "family" look to it. It was numbered 34 as I only know that was the first two digits of what this loco was. Stumpy Stone...bringing good things back to life...Martins Ferry, OH.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42323	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 12/2/2006
Subject: Re: 0-8-0 becomes 2-8-0

STUMPY...... Looks just like my Granpaws engine....... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: Stumpy Stone To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2006 9:17 AM Subject: [S-Trains] 0-8-0 becomes 2-8-0 Click on the S Trains PHOTOS and go to Stumpy's Stuff to see this conversion of a junk 342 or 343 (I'm not sure what it was.) A couple of months ago I found a boiler shell and chassis of a rough 0-8-0. Having recently bought a complete 343, I could compare to see what all was needed to put the junk one back together and decided a conversion was a better option. Orders went off to various folks including Doug Peck and Terry Putt for parts, while an extra Atlantic plastic tender was dug out of another junk box. The real tough part was scratchbuilding a complete front end. The original 0-8-0 has a pilot beam/steps/coupler mount casting that mounts with the same screw that holds the chassis and boiler together. So I decided to do the same thing with hardwood, model avaiation plywood, plastruct channel and a Putt Mogul lead truck and pilot/cowcatcher casting. This way I could eventually return the loco to original as there would be no cutting needed. I made the drawbar out of a popsicle stick, a smokebox number plate from a cardstock punch out, and installed an engineer figure in the cab. The locomotive was then painted similar to my Putt Mogul to give a railroad "family" look to it. It was numbered 34 as I only know that was the first two digits of what this loco was. Stumpy Stone...bringing good things back to life...Martins Ferry, OH. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42324	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 12/2/2006
Subject: need some pricing info

3 NESG cars new in the box 1994 6-48485 Northern Pacific Box car 1994 6-48486 New York New Haven and Hartford Box Car ? T.T.U.X. Unit Southern Pacific Thanks Jim Sleeth ____________________________________________________________________________________ Cheap talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. http://voice.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42325	From: ruth.leahy@colorado.edu	Date: 12/2/2006
Subject: Repairing #655s?

I am trying to repair the plastic holes for attaching #655 Silver Bullet shells to the stamped frames. This has been discussed in the past, but not sure what is the best way, glue or epoxy? Suggestions? Also, did they use screws or the pins to attach the body? I have three of these satin silver #655s which need restoration, so I plan to sand them down & repaint them. The #356 satin silver engine was repainted at some time in the recent past, so I will attempt to restore the engine & passenger cars so they all match. Does anyone know if the cars matched the same color as the #356? Mike Leahy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42326	From: Phil K	Date: 12/2/2006
Subject: Prices for Jim Sleeth

3 NESG cars new in the box 1994 6-48485 Northern Pacific Box car $66 NIB 1994 6-48486 New York New Haven and Hartford Box Car $66 NIB ? T.T.U.X. Unit Southern Pacific $90 (made in 1995) Thanks Jim Sleeth

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42327	From: Dale Smith	Date: 12/2/2006
Subject: Re: Repairing #655s?

Mike, I'm not sure about the color match, but if it does it is probably because they could use the same paint. Gilbert wasn't too careful about matches, even pairing Chrome engines with satin cars. That was the set I got in the 50's, but it may have been left over stock. My recollection is that the cars are held in with pins. I will be interested to see the remedy for the broken bolsters for the pins, as I have my old car to restore, plus one other I purchased to replace one that can't be found. Dale Smith Pacifica, CA ----- Original Message ----- From: ruth.leahy@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2006 10:16 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Repairing #655s? I am trying to repair the plastic holes for attaching #655 Silver Bullet shells to the stamped frames. This has been discussed in the past, but not sure what is the best way, glue or epoxy? Suggestions? Also, did they use screws or the pins to attach the body? I have three of these satin silver #655s which need restoration, so I plan to sand them down & repaint them. The #356 satin silver engine was repainted at some time in the recent past, so I will attempt to restore the engine & passenger cars so they all match. Does anyone know if the cars matched the same color as the #356? Mike Leahy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42328	From: Charles E. Smith	Date: 12/2/2006
Subject: Re: 0-8-0 becomes 2-8-0

For another example of a 2-8-0 from an 0-8-0 see http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/view/5213?b=3 Chuck Smith, http://www.trainweb.org/chucksmith On matters of style swim with the current. On matters of substance stand like a rock. Thos. Jefferson (may be paraphrased) ----- Original Message ----- From: Stumpy Stone To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2006 9:17 AM Subject: [S-Trains] 0-8-0 becomes 2-8-0 Click on the S Trains PHOTOS and go to Stumpy's Stuff to see this conversion of a junk 342 or 343 (I'm not sure what it was.) A couple of months ago I found a boiler shell and chassis of a rough 0-8-0. Having recently bought a complete 343, I could compare to see what all was needed to put the junk one back together and decided a conversion was a better option. Orders went off to various folks including Doug Peck and Terry Putt for parts, while an extra Atlantic plastic tender was dug out of another junk box. The real tough part was scratchbuilding a complete front end. The original 0-8-0 has a pilot beam/steps/coupler mount casting that mounts with the same screw that holds the chassis and boiler together. So I decided to do the same thing with hardwood, model avaiation plywood, plastruct channel and a Putt Mogul lead truck and pilot/cowcatcher casting. This way I could eventually return the loco to original as there would be no cutting needed. I made the drawbar out of a popsicle stick, a smokebox number plate from a cardstock punch out, and installed an engineer figure in the cab. The locomotive was then painted similar to my Putt Mogul to give a railroad "family" look to it. It was numbered 34 as I only know that was the first two digits of what this loco was. Stumpy Stone...bringing good things back to life...Martins Ferry, OH. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42329	From: colleenandrob	Date: 12/2/2006
Subject: 960 Series AF passenger cars

Hi, I have a wonderful set of red band passenger cars and they have a satin silver finish. Did the 960 series passenger cars come in a what might be called a chrome finish? Thanks, Rob

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42330	From: Charles E. Smith	Date: 12/2/2006
Subject: Re: Repairing #655s?

Locos could be chrome or silver paint. Cars were silver paint. Chuck Smith, http://www.trainweb.org/chucksmith On matters of style swim with the current. On matters of substance stand like a rock. Thos. Jefferson (may be paraphrased) ----- Original Message ----- From: ruth.leahy@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2006 1:16 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Repairing #655s? I am trying to repair the plastic holes for attaching #655 Silver Bullet shells to the stamped frames. This has been discussed in the past, but not sure what is the best way, glue or epoxy? Suggestions? Also, did they use screws or the pins to attach the body? I have three of these satin silver #655s which need restoration, so I plan to sand them down & repaint them. The #356 satin silver engine was repainted at some time in the recent past, so I will attempt to restore the engine & passenger cars so they all match. Does anyone know if the cars matched the same color as the #356? Mike Leahy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42331	From: keefer1	Date: 12/2/2006
Subject: 655 color

"Locos could be chrome or silver paint. Cars were > silver paint. > Chuck Smith, http://www.trainweb.org/chucksmith" I'm fairly certain the cars were done in chrome also.Most of the chrome ones I have seen were certainly repaint candidates. keith ____________________________________________________________________________________ Want to start your own business? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/r-index

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42332	From: James Hannawald	Date: 12/2/2006
Subject: Re: 655 color

While we are discussing repainting these cars, has anyone got a simple method of removing the old chrome? I have a couple of them that have lost a lot of the chrome but what remains is still tight. Jim Subject: [S-Trains] 655 color "Locos could be chrome or silver paint. Cars were > silver paint. > Chuck Smith, http://www.trainweb.org/chucksmith" I'm fairly certain the cars were done in chrome also.Most of the chrome ones I have seen were certainly repaint candidates. keith __________________________________________________________ Want to start your own business? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/r-index [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42333	From: Eric R.	Date: 12/2/2006
Subject: Clearing out Extra Stuff Part 4....Near the bottom.

I have an American Models Burlington Passenger Set. E8 plus 7 cars. All hi-rail (Flyer Compatible) chrome. This includes: one E8 Locomotive AC Hirail chrome Knuckle coupler.(list $299) one 4 car set of Budd Cars silver treasure RPO, silver eagle coach, silver inn diner, silver star Obs. Chrome .(list $319) one extra car Silver maple coach (list $84) one extra car Silver larch coach (list $84) one extra car Silver leaf coach (list $84) e8 http://www.americanmodels.com/_photos/e819.jpg http://www.americanmodels.com/locos/e-8.html Pass cars http://www.americanmodels.com/rolling.stock/budd.html http://www.americanmodels.com/_photos/bdbs15.jpg http://www.americanmodels.com/_photos/bd8215.jpg These are all in excellent condition, They have been run and handled and displayed a bit. When dusted off, they look as new. All are in the original boxes, with foam, etc. all the cars have the small scale size couplers on them (am dummy type) and they have the larger knuckles in the boxes. (they use the same screws for both) List for the set is $870. I will let it go for $670 plus $20 shipped insured in the USA48. Make an offer if you want a part of it, I may sell separately before I put it on ebay. Cashiers Check, Money Order or Paypal Work. I am not a dealer, so no refunds, sold As-Is. Thanks; Eric Reis P.O. Box 82126 Kenmore, Wa 98028 northline@... TCA since 87, Nasg since 86, ebay = er099 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42334	From: Eric R.	Date: 12/2/2006
Subject: One other Item for Sale ... AF Hudson 322

I have an original American Flyer Hudson #322 for sale. This Has Smoke in the Tender and the reverse unit in the engine. Everything works fine. I believe it has at one point been rewired. The drawbar has bolt holding the tender on instead of the pin or rivet? The engine cross bar that holds the drawbar screw has been reattached I think with solder. Holds fine. The rear link coupler has been changed to a Knuckle. The engine overall looks great and complete as these items are underneath. The only missing item is the smoke hose that goes from the tender to the engine stack. I can send pictures per request. $150 or make an offer, $15 shipping with insurance. ___________________________________________ Cashiers Check, Money Order or Paypal Work. I am not a dealer, so no refunds, sold As-Is. Thanks; Eric Reis P.O. Box 82126 Kenmore, Wa 98028 northline@... TCA since 87, Nasg since 86, ebay = er099 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42335	From: Art Shifrin	Date: 12/2/2006
Subject: a tale of O, but very relevant to updating sounds on S gauge engines

Hi Gang, During this past Summer I bought an NOB K-Line 1:58 Allegheny with the intention of installing an AF prewar link coupler so that I could run long consists of AF's diecast 3/16s cars. The E & T were prototypically enormous: they're a plausible match for the AF 3/16s rolling stock. They also superbly match the full size O 400 series cars of 1939 & 1940. This was planned as a repeat of what I did to my K-Line 1:58 Big Boy about three years ago. After a few minutes running time the sound cards blew out. I knew that I'd bought the E & T without any warranty backup, but asked the dealer to somehow assist. They introduced me to Jon @ the Electric RR Co. He had or has spare K-Line boards and replaced the defective one at a very reasonable price. For whatever quirky reasons, I became ambivalent about the engine and didn't pursue modifying the tender's rear truck. About two months ago by sheer serendipity I obtained a spare tender. The price was excellent because it corresponded to my expectation that the soundboards would be defective: they were. Having the spare tender enables the engine to have dual use. With the original, it's perfect for lugging modern rolling stock. With the spare, it connects to AF O rolling stock that is equipped with the prewar sintered link & pin coupler. It's equally nice with the 3/16s and full O cars. I made many inquiries about what might be used as a sound system in the spare tender. I decided to improvise with a pair of Sound Commanders. The whistle that I chose is their Pennsylvania version. The first goal was to figure out an appropriate method to achieve the double but offset chuffing of an articulated steamer. The Sound Commander derives its chuff rate from a magnetically triggered reed switch. When the chuffing option's ordered, the switch and an appropriately small disk magnet are provided. The magnet's merely glued to a wheel. The switch is suitably mounted on the tender truck's frame. Experimentation, guided by their well-written instructions let me easily determine the necessary location of the switch. I fixed the position of the switch with a gel version of 'Super Glue'. After that cured I applied a second coat of Duco Cement. With the first board installed and wired to the original speaker, it immediately worked perfectly. Then I pondered the offset question & decided that since the tender's wheels are fixed on their axles, that I could choose an offset and place the magnet for the second system opposite the wheel containing the first. The drive rods of the two power trucks are 180 degrees offset, so that's what I finally set the second magnet. I tried some other angles with interesting effects resulting, but used the glue at 180. The whistle and bell are enhanced because they are triggered simultaneously. Then I considered the potentially nettlesome issue of a second speaker. I didn't want to have to create holes to mount a second speaker. Wiring the two Sound Commanders' outputs in parallel might damage their circuits, so I didn't attempt doing so. I then thought about making a simple passive resistor "Y". But I didn't want to attenuate the level. I then thought about putting in a small (say, 5 watts) amplifier to compensate for the losses of the "Y". I was ready to experiment with an amp but I was still fingering one of the speakers that are provided with each system. Fortunately I was doing so while looking at the open tender's guts. Then I had my epiphany! The design of the K-Line speaker mount permits a second speaker to be mounted directly on top of the original one. The diameter of the speaker that's provided with the Sound Commander perfectly sits at the top of that mount. I simply glued the speaker in place. It's thus electrically isolated from the other, but acoustically coupled. Meaning, being stacked directly together, the sound pressure of one diaphragm affects the other. I'm not a machinist & have only small power & hand tools. I studied the construction of the truck & drilled & filed away the areas that would have interfered with the two magnets. The workmanship lacks professional precision and neatness, but it works exactly as I hoped it would. And, the total net cost (excluding shipping) of ONLY $110! Having a machinist do the mods would have added significant cost to the undertaking. I wouldn't want to have to do this again, especially because of my remaining coordination and motor issues. But at least I developed a method that could be done in a comparable but professional manner. What I especially like about the Sound Commander is that it can be used independently of a directional controller (which they also offer). Because the Allegheny that I bought happens to be the TMCC version, the directional controller's in the engine & the sound system in the tender. They're electrically connected via a four conductor wire harness. When used in its factory original configuration, the engine performs as originally intended. When used with the spare tender, the harness is not needed because the cards are NOT receiving their chuff rate pulses from the engine. Instead, they're generated by the two magnets & reed switches. I did not encounter these issues with the Big Boy because it's the conventional version. The sound system's been robust from when it first rolled on the tracks. All I had to do was change the coupler and I did so non-destructively. It can be completely reverted to its original configuration. That was a self-imposed challenge. Had I been unable to make the change as such, then I'd have done it permanently. So, if you're looking for sound systems to add to originally mute engines, or to update the sound effects, then I heartily recommend the Sound Commander. The choices of horn & whistle types are modest as compared to those offered by other much more costly and powerful systems. But for their price and ease of installation, they're an utter bargain. The Sound Commander cards are very compact and will easily fit into S gauge steam tenders, diesels and cars. I've composited scans of the truck modifications as they developed and progressed. I'll be pleased to send JPEGS to whomever requests that I email them. Caveat: by the grace of my modest skills in Photoshop the truck's mods appear to be meticulous. The URL for ERRC is http://www.electricrr.com/ Happy Holidays! Shiffy <mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42336	From: wnholcomb	Date: 12/3/2006
Subject: Florida Train Shows

Anyone know of any train shows in central or south Florida during January, February or March 2007?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42337	From: Dave W	Date: 12/3/2006
Subject: Golly gee, Mr Cleaver!

More Flyer promo film..... http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2242277855391586685&q=american+flyer

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42338	From: Doug Peck	Date: 12/3/2006
Subject: Re: 655 color

Ammonia will strip chrome in no time at all! And yes....the cars came in chrome finish as well as satin paint. AND, they can be rechromed. <<<anyone got a simple method of removing the old chrome?>>> Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours: Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, & Saturdays--- 2-5 PM (EST) 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: www.portlines.com <http://www.portlines.com/> E-mail: doug@... VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42339	From: Mark Preman	Date: 12/4/2006
Subject: 2007 Trains Shows in Central Florida

Someone asked about shows coming up early next year............ I will have six table of American Flyer goodies at the Volusia County Fairgrounds in Deland on Sat and Sun January 20 and 21, 2007. http://ww.americanflyertrains.com Mark Mark B. Preman AmericanFlyerTrains.com --------------------------------- Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42340	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 12/4/2006
Subject: I need more pricing help. Thanks in advance

I will put these on e-bay if there is no interest on this board. All new in the box Engines 4-8651 Santa Fe GP-20 4-8350 Boston & Maine GP-7 4-8552 New York Central GP-9 4-8458 Southern GP-9 Box Car 6-48306 Seaboard Cost Line Passenger set 6-49601 PA-1 Missouri Pacific ____________________________________________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42341	From: NASG Library	Date: 12/4/2006
Subject: Mobley Library vacation

All -- The Russell M. Mobley Memorial Library will be closed from Dec. 4 through dec. 11, 2006. Dick Karnes, Librarian Russell M. Mobley Memorial Library NASG Inc.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42342	From: keefer1	Date: 12/4/2006
Subject: Re: Golly gee, Mr Cleaver!

If you click on next ten, there is a clip "monster loco" .Looks just like former list member Tim Brown's new layout. There 's a kitbasher you should hook up with Stumpy. Keith --- Dave W <fahrwud@...> wrote: > More Flyer promo film..... > http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2242277855391586685&q=american+flyer > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42343	From: Al	Date: 12/4/2006
Subject: Paint remover

Guys, I am hunting for paint removers that will strip paint and decals off old and damaged flyer cars without dissolving or warping the plastic. One that I learned is not good is Pinesol - yes, it takes off the paint but it also softens and pits the plastic. I have a GP-7 #370 diesel that has really bad bulb melt on each end that I acquired from a guy who thought it was nearly worthless. He said he used 14 volt lamps in this diesel to get brighter lights. That is what melted each end. I switched to 18 volt lamps. I am going to rebuild the body as a GP-20. So how do you remove the old silver paint and decals without damage to the plastic? OK, all you kitbashers, here's your chance to teach us what works best. Al Rawdon Golden Spike American Flyer Train Club

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42344	From: Charles E. Smith	Date: 12/4/2006
Subject: Re: Paint remover

I have had good success with brake fluid. It's not a panacea and you should put a bit on an inside surface overnight to be sure it doesn't attack the plastic before soaking the item in a pan overnight. it can also take longer than overnight with some items, but you'll be able to tell if it's working. Chuck Smith, http://www.trainweb.org/chucksmith On matters of style swim with the current. On matters of substance stand like a rock. Thos. Jefferson (may be paraphrased) ----- Original Message ----- From: Al To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 5:52 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Paint remover Guys, I am hunting for paint removers that will strip paint and decals off old and damaged flyer cars without dissolving or warping the plastic. One that I learned is not good is Pinesol - yes, it takes off the paint but it also softens and pits the plastic. I have a GP-7 #370 diesel that has really bad bulb melt on each end that I acquired from a guy who thought it was nearly worthless. He said he used 14 volt lamps in this diesel to get brighter lights. That is what melted each end. I switched to 18 volt lamps. I am going to rebuild the body as a GP-20. So how do you remove the old silver paint and decals without damage to the plastic? OK, all you kitbashers, here's your chance to teach us what works best. Al Rawdon Golden Spike American Flyer Train Club [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42345	From: John Foley	Date: 12/4/2006
Subject: S Scale Bridge

Hi Folks There is a nice looking S scale two track Vertical Lift bridge for sale on ebay. It's neat, I have one. Check it out at, http://cgi.ebay.com/VERTICAL-LIFT-BRIDGE-Custom-Built_W0QQitemZ110061702284QQihZ001QQcategoryZ19144QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem If that doesn't work try looking up the seller no5gonehome John Foley [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42346	From: bw_hansen	Date: 12/4/2006
Subject: Lionel GP-20

I want to remove the shell of a recently purchased Lionel/AF GP 20 to fix a mis-alined bulb. The shell seems to be impregnable without using a blow torch or chainsaw. Anybody out there have a method that won't trash the shell? Thanks. Bruce

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42347	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 12/4/2006
Subject: Re: Lionel GP-20

They are not hard to open up. I would first remove the truck side frames on the trucks by removing the two scrwes on the bottom of the trucks. This makes getting at the screws that hold the body to chassis easier. Then remove the 4 body screws. Then body just pulls off. The bulbs assemblies should snap out of the body if you need to. Be careful when pulling the body off of the chassis not to let the railing scratch the paint. A piece of card stock between the railing and the body may help keep the paint nice. Carl -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of bw_hansen Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 7:22 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Lionel GP-20 I want to remove the shell of a recently purchased Lionel/AF GP 20 to fix a mis-alined bulb. The shell seems to be impregnable without using a blow torch or chainsaw. Anybody out there have a method that won't trash the shell? Thanks. Bruce S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42348	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/4/2006
Subject: train purchases

Yesterday, I won on eBay, a much needed 24619 AF Caboose from 1958, that I will use towards building the 1958 Trailblazer set. Sadly, there were two of these cabooses, in E+ or better condition, that where being sold by widows of the males who had owned these items. The one I won, was being sold for the widow, by a TCA member, as the person, that owned this, was a TCA member also. The other one, was being sold by the widow, as I am not sure about any TCA status for this person. A couple of months ago, there where many nice AF items, being sold, by a TCA member, elsewhere, for a widow of a TCA member, as I did win one of those needed items. Sadly, I am seeing more and more of this, whether on eBay or elsewhere, where the owners are dying off, of these trains. Just a observation. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42349	From: paflyrman	Date: 12/4/2006
Subject: Paint Removal

10 to 20 years ago there was a general purpose cleaning product on the market call Top Job. This stuff would do a grand job of removing paint from plastic without so much as discoloring the plastic, let alone warping or dissolving it. But of course, it was taken off the market about 5 years ago. In an attempt to recreat it I discovered the ingrediant which seemed to make it work - ammonia. Now I mix 3 parts Mr. Clean with 1 part straight ammonia (You can buy it by the gallon at Food Lion). This works almost as well for me as the Top Job. I always test the painted surface first, and I submerge the item beginning with short periods (5 to 10 minutes)to be sure no damage is occurring. Then I am comfortable leaving the item submerged for an hour at the time. Then I gently brush off the paint with a stiff toothbrush. Rinse and dry. You will have to experiment with your item and the particular paint you are trying to remove and the best mix of cleaner and amonia. You may also want to do this in a well ventilated area, as that amonia can get intense. Hope this helps someone. I appologize in advance if I have spelled anything incorrectly. Paflyrman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42350	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 12/4/2006
Subject: Re: Lionel GP-20

WHILE the body is off, place pieces of aluminum duct tape inside the shell on either side of the motor. IF you don't do that and you do run the engine for long periods of time, the motor will heat up and melt the shell. The shells are among the things Flyonel does not make available to the consumer or the repair person as they "ARE NOT in the parts business" was the answer we got at NTTM where we have LOTS of melted shells. Flyonel has been aware of the melting problem going back to the Kuhn days when I personally showed melted shells to LIONEL personnel. Jim "fixin' Flyer on the Keystone Main" Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42351	From: Russell Rawling	Date: 12/5/2006
Subject: Christmas docksider- smoke

I just received from Doug Peck at Portlines the Christmas docksider and gave it a test run. The volume of smoke is much greater than the earlier B&O that I purchased. Does anyone know if Lionel made an improvement on this feature? The chug seems about the same. Russ

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42352	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 12/5/2006
Subject: Donate a Train This Christmas!

Season's Greetings Everyone! My office is once again involved with the Salvation Army's Angel Tree program. We placed a Christmas Tree in our lobby and hung 100 Angel cards. Each card represents a child needing clothing. They also put one or two toys they would like Santa to bring them. My wife and I chose a boy and a girl each year. I get to pick the children and always scour the boys' cards looking for a boy wanting a train set. Then I find a girl between 4 and 6 years old for my wife. We have two adult boys and no grandchildren so this is my wife's opportunity to go shopping in the little girls department! My wife gets all the clothing needs for the boy and girl. Then we both pick out the toys for the little girl. That leaves me to get the train!!!! I would love to give an American Flyer or S-gauge set, but I'm never sure if the boy I pick has any males (or a Barb) around to help him with the set-up, maintenance and "engineering" skills to keep an old AF train running. So I always get a ready-to-run HO set and hope that gets them interested in model trains! There are plenty of fine organizations like the Salvation Army looking for donations to help the needy. So if you can, please help make this holiday season special for a needy child! Merry Christmas and Happy New Year! David "BG1" Tyner

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42353	From: Michael T Kolosseus	Date: 12/5/2006
Subject: December AF sale

My 10 page AF-S list offers you the opportunity to buy trains way below guide prices with a 50% off sale this month. Buy one item at the low regular price, and you can purchase another item of equal or less vlue at 50% off. Contact me to receive an email copy of this list.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42354	From: David Dewey	Date: 12/5/2006
Subject: On Paint stripping

I know this may raise some controversy, but the Traindoctor says, "NEVER USE BRAKE FLUID TO STRIP PAINT FROM PLASTIC" And, yes, he IS shouting. OK, now you ask "WHY NOT?" AF plastic products are porus, not a lot, but enough. The brake fluid gets into the pores, and it stays there, doing nasty stuff--like blistering your paint job, softening the plastic, helping it to deform (this may take years, but it will happen). I have tried to remove the fluid, but haven't found anything yet that does the trick. I have some 650 bodies that still smell of the stuff 10 years after putting them in it to get some brown paint off the roofs. I should have been happy with the brown paint, it didn't look bad, but it wasn't ACG! I would have had a unique passenger train today. . . .Oh well (or as Eyore would say, "Oh Bother.") there are paint strippers for plastic, usually found in hobby shops. Yes they cost more, but they're worth it (and this from the head member of the CHEAP! club). Oh, and since it is near Christmas, with all those extra light bulbs: How many Mothers does it take to change a light bulb? "Oh, don't trouble yourself, I'll just contiue to sit here and read in the dark. It will be fine." S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42355	From: Phil K	Date: 12/5/2006
Subject: Paint stripping

Our club -- CASG -- just stripped 175 boxcars, repainted and decaled them for the recent S Fest. All came out P E R F E C T. I will ask the man who did it, Bruce Lorence, what he did, whay he used, and how he did it. I will post it here as soon as I find out. Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42356	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 12/5/2006
Subject: 343 back from the dead

I purchased a 343 of ebay that was missing the motor, field, and reverse unit. I bought one of the gear reduction can motors from Carl T. and a Beep Commander TMCC unit from Electric railroad. Today I was home from work with a cold and decided to install all the goodies, and I have been really enjoying the slow smooth, and very controllable operation, and great pulling power of my now back from the dead 343. It is really nice to have directional lighting and the ability to turn smoke off and on remotely. I am now wondering if there is room for a sound card!!!! MK [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42357	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 12/5/2006
Subject: Re: 343 back from the dead

Mark, Sure there is room for sound! See this link.. http://www.tuveson.com/BeepCommander0-8-0/Beep0-8-0.htm Carl -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Mark Kiner Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 5:47 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] 343 back from the dead I purchased a 343 of ebay that was missing the motor, field, and reverse unit. I bought one of the gear reduction can motors from Carl T. and a Beep Commander TMCC unit from Electric railroad. Today I was home from work with a cold and decided to install all the goodies, and I have been really enjoying the slow smooth, and very controllable operation, and great pulling power of my now back from the dead 343. It is really nice to have directional lighting and the ability to turn smoke off and on remotely. I am now wondering if there is room for a sound card!!!! MK [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42358	From: Samuel J. McCoy	Date: 12/5/2006
Subject: Re: Paint stripping

Bruce used Pro Force Floor Stripper. Available at Sam's Club for about 8 bucks a gallon. Smells and works like Easy Lift Off. Phil K wrote: > Our club -- CASG -- just stripped 175 boxcars, repainted and decaled > them for the recent S Fest. > > All came out P E R F E C T. > > I will ask the man who did it, Bruce Lorence, what he did, whay he > used, and how he did it. I will post it here as soon as I find out. > > Phil K > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums > Yahoo! Groups Links > > ?*? To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ > > ?*? Your email settings: > Individual Email | Traditional > > ?*? To change settings online go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/join > (Yahoo! ID required) > > ?*? To change settings via email: > mailto:S-Trains-digest@yahoogroups.com > mailto:S-Trains-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com > > ?*? To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > ?*? Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42359	From: gandydancerbutch	Date: 12/5/2006
Subject: Gabe is Stuck!

Hello Group, I've really looked to see what the trouble is but-well Gabe is just stuck. Actualy, he assends the ladder quite nicely all the way to the top- that's where he gets stuck. Every thing moves fine up. But when I try the the tiny "release coil" it makes a slight spark but nothing moves. I tested the resistence in BobHannon AF spec book and it's right on. What is the release plunger suppose to do? It will not twist or move via plier pressure. Does it move in and then get pushed out by an internal sping?? HELP-He may jump soon!! butch

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42360	From: Trains	Date: 12/5/2006
Subject: AF #375 T&P GP-7

I have a question about this particular engine, it's rarity and value. I have just taken the T& P shell, with American Flyer Lines on the side, off of the die-cast engine frame (shell in excellent + condition), and inside the shell it is factory stamped : July 1956. I can not find any T&P 375's for 56 in my listings. In addition, to my suprise, there is a horn mounted inside. Does not seem to be any mention of this loco anywhere. Frame, trucks reverse and motor all in excellent condition, with exception of typical paint flaking on side handrails. So you who may know, please let me know what do I have here and is it a rare bird or????? Thanks for effort on your part, Dr. K. Loeb (Peter) contact me: rr4u@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42361	From: milorod@aol.com	Date: 12/5/2006
Subject: A Neat Christmas Card

This is neat. paste into browser _http://www.nscorp.com/nscorphtml/holiday/index.html_ (http://www.nscorp.com/nscorphtml/holiday/index.html) Merry Christmas Milo [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42362	From: Trains	Date: 12/6/2006
Subject: Re: AF #375 T&P GP-7 oddity....just what do I have here?

Thanks Edward G. and Bill for your quick reesponses. I pay attention to what I disassemble and what I had in my hands...there does not seem to be any hint that this is anything but "factory fresh" It appears that I am the first to have diassembled engine since it came, presumably, from Gilbert. No fingerprints, no scratches, no screwdriver dings on screws, All the insides look new and original, especially all wire connections and attatched items are as if direct from factory. It's a real puzzel and oddity. I was also sure the only T&P 375's were in a set with a dummy GP-7 and the dummy has the horn. The last year of production is noted as 1955. The shell could be a factory replacement for a less than perfect or damaged shell. There is still the question about the factory stamped date of July 1956 inside this pristine shell and if production stopped for the 375 in 55, did Gilbert stamp replacement shells with a later date?. Also the number boards look factory fresh and there are no signs on shell that "new" boards were used to replace damaged or non existant ones. There is also the die-cast frame....all original, not a repaint... and I forgot to mention it is a one motor engine with "pull-more" wheels on one axle of power truck. I might imagine that Gilbert had left over inventory and mixed-matched what they had in stock to put together items for special /custom runs or warranty replacements etc. A side question ,relevant here, is when did Gilbert start using the sheet metal frames as replacement for the die-cast frames on the GP-7's? I am wondering if this all should be documented with photo's for those intersted. This is a big puzzle for me and I really want to know what I have here and just how unusual this is...it certainly is a new one for me. This might actually be a 375 specified by a Gilbert client for a specific run as part of a non-cataloged set. Or possibly sold as a seperate item to someone like JC Pennys or similar? You American Flyer Guru's and Historians, what say you???? Thanks Peter

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42363	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 12/6/2006
Subject: Re: AF #375 T&P GP-7

A horn would be normal for this loco. Steve SnS Trains Boise [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42364	From: Phil K	Date: 12/6/2006
Subject: Re: Paint stripping

Thanks, Sam. Let me add that I remember Bruce saying he soaked each car body for a fairly long time, perhaps 2-3 weeks. It works slowly, but is tame enough to do the job without damaging the plastic -- which is the whole idea. Nothing you can do in a hurry is safe. Once you get them started, you'll figure out how long to soak 'em. Phil K --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Samuel J. McCoy" <samuel.j.mccoy@...> wrote: > > Bruce used Pro Force Floor Stripper. Available at Sam's Club for about > 8 bucks a gallon. Smells and works like Easy Lift Off. > > Phil K wrote: > > > Our club -- CASG -- just stripped 175 boxcars, repainted and decaled > > them for the recent S Fest. > > > > All came out P E R F E C T. > > > > I will ask the man who did it, Bruce Lorence, what he did, whay he > > used, and how he did it. I will post it here as soon as I find out. > > > > Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42365	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 12/6/2006
Subject: Re: AF #375 T&P GP-7 oddity....just what do I have here?

PETER...... Remember these were toys and any loose leftover parts were used if needed...I have a 21140 northern and 21130 hudson.... both like new in thier original boxes with the liners....... But the 40 and the 30 have 4 wire connections, not 2 wire, and the 30 has a die cast tender. not plastic... and they all look right..... maybe put together at a repair shop?..... factory assembeled stuff what? So many varations are possible but most are 1 of's or a small number...... Bottom line...... If AF made it its original...... If someone else outside the factory used original new parts Is it still AF?????. I am sure repair stations did some stuff in repairing like alter stuff..... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: Trains To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 3:05 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: AF #375 T&P GP-7 oddity....just what do I have here? Thanks Edward G. and Bill for your quick reesponses. I pay attention to what I disassemble and what I had in my hands...there does not seem to be any hint that this is anything but "factory fresh" It appears that I am the first to have diassembled engine since it came, presumably, from Gilbert. No fingerprints, no scratches, no screwdriver dings on screws, All the insides look new and original, especially all wire connections and attatched items are as if direct from factory. It's a real puzzel and oddity. I was also sure the only T&P 375's were in a set with a dummy GP-7 and the dummy has the horn. The last year of production is noted as 1955. The shell could be a factory replacement for a less than perfect or damaged shell. There is still the question about the factory stamped date of July 1956 inside this pristine shell and if production stopped for the 375 in 55, did Gilbert stamp replacement shells with a later date?. Also the number boards look factory fresh and there are no signs on shell that "new" boards were used to replace damaged or non existant ones. There is also the die-cast frame....all original, not a repaint... and I forgot to mention it is a one motor engine with "pull-more" wheels on one axle of power truck. I might imagine that Gilbert had left over inventory and mixed-matched what they had in stock to put together items for special /custom runs or warranty replacements etc. A side question ,relevant here, is when did Gilbert start using the sheet metal frames as replacement for the die-cast frames on the GP-7's? I am wondering if this all should be documented with photo's for those intersted. This is a big puzzle for me and I really want to know what I have here and just how unusual this is...it certainly is a new one for me. This might actually be a 375 specified by a Gilbert client for a specific run as part of a non-cataloged set. Or possibly sold as a seperate item to someone like JC Pennys or similar? You American Flyer Guru's and Historians, what say you???? Thanks Peter [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42366	From: Alan Evans	Date: 12/6/2006
Subject: Attaching 802's on Hi Rail AM 4-8-4

List, What's the method of attaching 802's to the tender of AM's hi rail 4-8-4? Thanks in advance. - Alan Evans (The Ohio Alan Evans!) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42367	From: JOHN EICHMANN	Date: 12/6/2006
Subject: On Paint stripping

I concur with my good friend David Dewey's excellent advice about not using powerful chemicals to strip paint. It took some searching, but I finally found the post I sent in March 2001 about my success using simple laundry detergent. (For those interested, it was Post #12121.): >>> I've always had great success with plain old granular laundry detergent (I use Tide). 1. Remove the plastic shell from the metal floor, trucks, and couplers. 2. Fill a bucket with enough warm water to cover your shell. 3. Mix in about a cup of granular laundry detergent. You'll have to stir a bunch to dissolve it, as this is a lot of soap. 4. Insert your shell, and let nature take its course. 5. If you want to assist nature, use a very soft toothbrush to GENTLY scrub, especially in those hard-to-reach places. You may have to stir up the solution from time to time, as you'll get a lot of soap concentrate on the bottom of the bucket. 5. Depending on the age of the original paint job, stripping can take as few as 4 hours or as long as a week. 6. When completely stripped, thoroughly rinse in clean water, then rinse again before painting. Other fellows use more powerful strippers, such as brake fluid or (shudder) oven cleaner. However, I prefer detergent because it is gentle, won't leave any residue on the plastic, and is readily available. It's worked well for me every time, even once when I did a sloppy repaint job and had to start all over again. That new paint took about two weeks to soak clean, but the old oxidized original paint usually comes right off. While this method is for plastic, I've even stripped a couple of sheet-metal tenders using it. Be careful on the tenders, though--you'll get a lot of little rust spots all over the sheet metal, which should be thoroughly wire-brushed off (Dremel) just as soon as you can get it out of the water. Hope this helps. YourS, John Eichmann Rocky Mountain Hi-Railers Boise, Idaho (Home of the undefeated and Fiesta Bowl-bound Boise State Broncos!)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42368	From: fiantoni	Date: 12/6/2006
Subject: Track Conundrum

I find myself here at the holiday season wanting to buy a starter set of track for around the tree to run my vintage Flyer equipment. I saw the new switches from American S-guage and they look quite nice. But the S-helper starter set also looks quite good. Any thoughts?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42369	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 12/6/2006
Subject: Re: On Paint stripping

Other soaps that work - and very well and quickly are Spic 'n Span and AMWAY. Oven cleaners (aerosol) work well on plastic, but don't perform on metal-unless it's prewar(advantage of using oven cleaner on tin is that the cleaner etches the matal nicely, eliminating any need for a primer). Floquil makes a "safe" stripper that works nicely,too.-J. marganski --------------------------------- Access over 1 million songs - Yahoo! Music Unlimited. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42370	From: Keith Blanchard	Date: 12/6/2006
Subject: Howards Drive-in Restaurant update advert

Hi Gang, I finally updated my photo folder showing a few of our latest Route 66 series of structures. I ran out of muscle cars for this scene. Thought I had too many, but this scene changed that. Howards will start shipping sometime next week. We just have to complete the instructions. Have a great holiday season, Keith Blanchard http://www.pinecanyonscalemodels.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42371	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 12/6/2006
Subject: Re: AF #375 T&P GP-7

This engine , #375 came in two uncataloged sets. #1191 (1956) & 20129(1957). They (374 & 375) were also sold seperately or as a pair in red & white engine boxes with number hand written on the end of the box in 1956 & 57. Gilbert would sell many left over items in red & white boxes with a hand written numbers on the end. You may have thought this was done by someone outside the the factory with left over boxes. Not correct, this WAS done by an employee at the factory, i.e. the red/white boxes for the 5 digit cars that went with the MSt&L Balwin. Harwood [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42372	From: John Foley	Date: 12/6/2006
Subject: Custom S Bridges

Hi Folks A while back I mentioned an outfit who builds custom bridges in all scales including S. The name of the company is Layouts & Bridges. check them out at http://home.att.net/~no5gonehome/wsb/html/view.cgi-home.html-.html Also in the our Yahoo Photo section is a album labeled Custom S Bridge It has a few photo of a bridge they built for me John Foley NASG Promotions [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42373	From: jnr59@aol.com	Date: 12/6/2006
Subject: Wanted one or more SHS Fruit Growers Express Reefer (from 3 car set)

Looking for one, two or all 3 cars of the SHS Fruit Growers Express Ice Reefer. It only came in a set of 3 cars I believe in 2002. Please contact me off line. Jack Riely [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42374	From: Samuel J. McCoy	Date: 12/6/2006
Subject: Re: Paint stripping

Hi Phil Yup on the long time. That paint was pretty stubborn but I've had others literally fall off in sheets after a few minutes. AM paint is pretty stubborn too but it gave in after a few days. Sam Phil K wrote: > Thanks, Sam. Let me add that I remember Bruce saying he soaked each > car body for a fairly long time, perhaps 2-3 weeks. It works slowly, > but is tame enough to do the job without damaging the plastic -- > which is the whole idea. Nothing you can do in a hurry is safe. > > Once you get them started, you'll figure out how long to soak 'em. > > Phil K > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Samuel J. McCoy" > <samuel.j.mccoy@...> wrote: > > > > Bruce used Pro Force Floor Stripper. Available at Sam's Club for > about > > 8 bucks a gallon. Smells and works like Easy Lift Off. > > > > Phil K wrote: > > > > > Our club -- CASG -- just stripped 175 boxcars, repainted and > decaled > > > them for the recent S Fest. > > > > > > All came out P E R F E C T. > > > > > > I will ask the man who did it, Bruce Lorence, what he did, whay he > > > used, and how he did it. I will post it here as soon as I find > out. > > > > > > Phil K > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums > Yahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42375	From: tomminil@aol.com	Date: 12/6/2006
Subject: Re: Track Conundrum

I vote for S-Helper Tom [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42376	From: James Hannawald	Date: 12/6/2006
Subject: Greensboro MD Library Annaul Show

Each year the local Library in Greensboro, Maryland has a model train show highlighting portable layout from some of the local modelers. This year they had one N gauge, 3 HO gauge, 1 S Gauge, 2 O gauge, 1 G gauge and 1 Standard Gauge. We had well over 1000 visitors come through on Sat. and Sunday. I had my portable 5X9 S gauge layout and we had a lot of fun with it. I have posted a few photos in the Gallery, look under Jim's Trains in S- Friends. Jim Hannawald [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42377	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 12/6/2006
Subject: Re: Track Conundrum

Have used/currently using both. BOTH fine products, the SHS because of appearance and interlocking would be my choice. Jim "TWO layouts on display on Saturday" Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42378	From: Robert Graves	Date: 12/6/2006
Subject: Re: AF #375 T&P GP-7

Very interesting. All the contradictory facts really stir it up, don't they? All my books say the 374 and 375 were always sold together, never separately. Yet the two sets you cited came with a 375 but no 374. If there were two years' worth of leftover 375s, where did all their companion 374s go? Or were they produced and sold separately as you say? Maybe the solitary 375 was made in 1956 (and 1957?) contrary to what all my books say. What source do you use for info? I need to add it to my arsenal. Bob . HOwingsiii@... wrote: This engine , #375 came in two uncataloged sets. #1191 (1956) & 20129(1957). They (374 & 375) were also sold seperately or as a pair in red & white engine boxes with number hand written on the end of the box in 1956 & 57. Gilbert would sell many left over items in red & white boxes with a hand written numbers on the end. You may have thought this was done by someone outside the the factory with left over boxes. Not correct, this WAS done by an employee at the factory, i.e. the red/white boxes for the 5 digit cars that went with the MSt&L Balwin. Harwood [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --------------------------------- Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42379	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/6/2006
Subject: Re: AF #375 T&P GP-7

Maybe they became the 377 & 378's in '56. Also they might have been the last year they made the powered & un-powered GP-7's. But my book says that the 21908 (377 & 378) were made in 58' Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42380	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 12/7/2006
Subject: Re;Track conundrum

I would suggest the S Helper Service track too. It snaps together and holds without track clips, has the most realistic ballast in the industry, the rail is weathered and tall enough for old American Flyer wheels. The switches will accept the old Flyer steamers without derailment issues some other tracks have. I've used alot of it on a couple of display layouts. Their flex track is just as good for permanant layouts. Stumpy Stone.....layout builder in Martins Ferry, OH.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42381	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 12/7/2006
Subject: S GAUGE IN PA DUTCH COUNTRY

Lean back, relax and enjoy the Pequea Valley Model Railroaders layout display & hoagie sale at Dutchway Supermarket in Gap, PA. http://kulpritterpics.homestead.com/PVMR.html Glenn Ritter of Honey Brook [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42382	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 12/7/2006
Subject: Re: S GAUGE IN PA DUTCH COUNTRY

Very nice - thanks for sharing. Paul S. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42383	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/7/2006
Subject: Re: CSI & TRAINS

Ok, Who's not watching CSI? Plenty of trains & models :) Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42384	From: jshannon148	Date: 12/8/2006
Subject: Packaged speed control/sound board

Does anyone make a DCC combination decoder/speed control/sound board (or matched set of boards) for late 50s early 60s AF diesels and steam? I do not want to create one from scratch or use parts that must be modified to work together since I am not an electronics guy - that being the case, should I not even try??

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42385	From: Bill Clark	Date: 12/8/2006
Subject: Re: Packaged speed control/sound board

There is nothing made specifically for AF. Converting them using standard DCC components is not difficult, and there is info available on doing it. I've done lots of steam. The best way is to change the motor to a can motor from S-n-S, then use a Tsunami from SoundTraxx. You need a small relay if you want to control smoke. Diesels can also be done, although room for a speaker is a little tight. Again, I'd convert them to can first. There are so many great diesels done by SHS and AM, I wouldn't bother converting an AF diesel myself. They will never run as well as one of the modern ones. Bill At 04:20 PM 12/8/2006 +0000, jshannon148 wrote: >Does anyone make a DCC combination decoder/speed control/sound board >(or matched set of boards) for late 50s early 60s AF diesels and >steam? I do not want to create one from scratch or use parts that >must be modified to work together since I am not an electronics guy - >that being the case, should I not even try??

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42386	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 12/8/2006
Subject: Lack of compatibility or uniformity

S Gauge is fantastic and I love it, but when I look at the three primary manufacturers, Lionel, S Helper and American Models I see walls of diversity! The diversity of power systems: AC, DC, DCS, TMCC, Locomatic! The diversity of Track: Old AF Track and K Line, American Models, AmericanSClassic, Gargraves, and Shelper, most are not compatible. These are key points to presenting or having a strong image for those outside of S Gauge to ponder or consider! Most O gaugers (formerly myself) All admit to me they really like my layout, but they say I have the same problem that they have in O gauge, different manufacturers presenting different power systems, different track and on and on. Why can't we come up with Digital control system that is uniform, a track that is compatible? Jerry Matsick Jax S Ville

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42387	From: keefer1	Date: 12/8/2006
Subject: SMOKING DOCKSIDER

I set up , my library under the tree layout today. After about 10 minutes of running my Bethlehem Steel docksider , the librarian asked if I could turn of the smoke.It created quite a cloud. I am ising anormal1@... smoke fluid. The thing runs like a top, will pull 6 heavily loaded dump cars. I'm impressed! Keith ____________________________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42388	From: FEZANDPAZ@aol.com	Date: 12/8/2006
Subject: Re: Lack of compatibility or uniformity

I personally like the diversity, I don't see as a problem at all keeps things interesting! Jim Foley [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42389	From: Al Baker	Date: 12/8/2006
Subject: Re: Lack of compatibility or uniformity

Fantastic idea Jerry !!! I believe it is sometimes called standardization. Often, it is done thru a national organization - like NASG. This would really help our hobby from being so fragmented, and may help reduce some prices as standardization often does. I vote for you to be the leader!! Al Baker Portland --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Jerry Matsick" <jpmatsick@...> wrote: > > S Gauge is fantastic and I love it, but when I look at the three > primary manufacturers, Lionel, S Helper and American Models I see > walls of diversity! > The diversity of power systems: AC, DC, DCS, TMCC, Locomatic! > The diversity of Track: Old AF Track and K Line, American Models, > AmericanSClassic, Gargraves, and Shelper, most are not compatible. > These are key points to presenting or having a strong image for those > outside of S Gauge to ponder or consider! Most O gaugers (formerly > myself) All admit to me they really like my layout, but they say I have > the same problem that they have in O gauge, different manufacturers > presenting different power systems, different track and on and on. > Why can't we come up with Digital control system that is uniform, a > track that is compatible? > > Jerry Matsick > Jax S Ville >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42390	From: Bill Clark	Date: 12/8/2006
Subject: Re: Lack of compatibility or uniformity

As far as power systems, DCC (which you didn't mention) is an effort by the NMRA to do just that. There are multiple manufacturers manufacturing compatible DCC components. DCS and TMCC are owned and controlled by MTH and Lionel respectively, and they want to use them to improve their marketing and profit position. As far as I know, no S Scale manufacturer installs DCS in their locos. Lionel obviously would like to make TMCC the standard, as that would lock SHS and AM out of the loco market. With AM and SHS, they already ship ready to run AC or DC. SHS also ships ready to run DCC. It is relatively easy to add DCC to AM or Lionel locos if you want (although in some cases you have to throw out the TMCC gear as they are not offered without it.) So I hope that DCC will grow in S scale, before Lionel is able to take over the AF compat market with TMCC. I love the flexibility of the competing compatible DCC products, would hate to be only able to deal with Lionel. Clearly, no one company can settle the issue by themselves (although Lionel would love to with TMCC). Some people only want AC, some only DC, some want the extra functionality of a command control system. As long as we have different preferences, I think these differences will remain. With track and switches, again, different strokes for different folks. Physics says that if the flangers are taller than the rail, it won't work. Body mounted couplers on long cars won't work on tight curves. Both SHS and AM have worked hard to create track that will work with AF, Lionel, and modern high rail. Within reasonable limits they will also work with code 110 wheelsets, although most code 110 folks think the track looks obscenely tall and buy code 100 track or smaller, which won't work with high rail wheels. So bottom line, I believe the S scale manufacturers (with the exception of Lionel) are working hard and investing their money to make their products as flexible and attractive to the largest market possible. More, I don't believe they can do. Just my opinion, of course. Bill At 10:30 PM 12/8/2006 +0000, Jerry Matsick wrote: >S Gauge is fantastic and I love it, but when I look at the three >primary manufacturers, Lionel, S Helper and American Models I see >walls of diversity! >The diversity of power systems: AC, DC, DCS, TMCC, Locomatic! >The diversity of Track: Old AF Track and K Line, American Models, >AmericanSClassic, Gargraves, and Shelper, most are not compatible. >These are key points to presenting or having a strong image for those >outside of S Gauge to ponder or consider! Most O gaugers (formerly >myself) All admit to me they really like my layout, but they say I have >the same problem that they have in O gauge, different manufacturers >presenting different power systems, different track and on and on. >Why can't we come up with Digital control system that is uniform, a >track that is compatible? > >Jerry Matsick >Jax S Ville > > ---------- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42391	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 12/8/2006
Subject: eBay - Why are the bids so high on this set?

Does anyone know why this Frontiersman set has bids exceeding $850? I don't see anything special about it - it just looks like two bidders who obviously want to outbid each other. Am I missing something here???? eBay Item No: 170056871272 BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42392	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 12/8/2006
Subject: Re;Lack of compatability or uniformity

Yes standardization might be nice in both O and S gauge, but don't hold your breath waiting for it. The biggest problem at this point is that each manufacturer has invested vast amounts of money developing and producing their systems and are not about to junk that investment. I will comment about O gauge as we are very familiar with the problems in that size at the hobby shop. In O gauge MTH has poured buckets of money into their DCS system, while Lionel has spent just as much on their TMCC system. Lionel and MTH are FIERCE competitors! So there was no common ground to be found. The smart thing to do would have been to go to the NMRA standard DCC system. However, making toy trains using AC power seems to cloud their thinking when it comes to doing things like the model train manufacturers. Both companies produce multiple track systems which are not compatable with each other or even with their own other systems. The same goes for their power packs, no standardization in company or out. Trucks and couplers are standard between toy trains in O, and their scale guys use the appropriate Kadee couplers. In S we,re not really that different, but a smaller market tends to exaggerate these things. However, I feel variety is actually a good thing! Stumpy Stone...running straight DC power in old Flyer, on modern track, a mix of old and new rolling stock, using HO power packs, and loving it...Martins Ferry, OH.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42393	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/8/2006
Subject: Re: eBay - Why are the bids so high on this set?

They both seem to be new to E-Bay. While I was looking at the bid history, I noticed something that I have never seen before. A guy with a -1 feedback! Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42394	From: Phil K	Date: 12/8/2006
Subject: Where did it go?

Back in early September a new Yahoo! forum called "Great American Flyer Trains" started up and was advertised as such on S-Trains. I used a bookmark to check it once in awhile to see how much activity was going on over there, as I and several others felt it was attempting to duplicate some of the things we do here. Now I cannot find it at all. Anyone know what happened to it? Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42395	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 12/9/2006
Subject: Re: Diversity and uniformity

My post regarding diversity and non uniformity brought on several responses. 1. First let me say that I run and operate a number of S Helper, American Model and Lionel engines. Each has great points and each has things I would change. But when my 8, 9 and 11 year old grand kids come over and you want them to get them interested in trains, i hear them say: "PeePaw, why is it that this one doesn't do what the other one does, of why does it have better sound or smoke than that one?? My point is 1949 when Gilbert American Flyer trains were the only S gauge trains out, they "Dazzled" me, the infamous Flyer Choo Choo sound or the great smoking engines worked, Now you pay hundreds and hundreds of dollars for a steam engine the smoke unit doesn't work on most of them. Is the modern trains Dazzling the kids as I was some 50 years ago? That is my point! I believe many of you feel the same way But I still love my trains! Jerry Matsick Jacksonville

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42396	From: Bill Clark	Date: 12/9/2006
Subject: Re: Diversity and uniformity

Hi Jerry, That seems to be a different point than when you started. 1. In 1949 Gilbert was building something that obsoleted all they had built pre-war, by going to S gauge. They felt they needed to do it to advance the state of the art and get some new pizazz. They also changed their couplers to incompatible knuckles from the link, feeling they were better and more realistic. They also experimented with DC. Things aren't that much different now. Different manufacturers are bringing out what seems to them (and to me) better track, better couplers, better trucks, and better control systems. They work hard for compatibility where possible, but improvement often means obsolescence. Personally, I wouldn't be in S scale at all, if all that was available was AF style track and switches, AF compatible couplers, and AC. I would probably still run my 1952 302AC set around the Christmas tree for nostalgia, but that would be it. 2. I don't think the price of steam engines are out of line with what Gilbert charged in the 50s, especially when you look at the quality and detail. Because a specific model has a defect shouldn't blind us to all the great stuff being offered to us. Gilbert also had their screw-ups (like the Baldwin switcher?). To your final point, modern kids need more to dazzle them than we did. I'm not sure out-dazzling some other product is really the point for little kids and trains. I have a 10 year old grand-daughter, and she loves to play with my trains. Essentially she moves people (in the gondola) from building to building around town, while telling the story. Playing dolls (for me when I was a boy it was playing soldiers) with the trains a central part of it. When she first sees the train after awhile away from it, she devotes 5 minutes to lights, smoke, whistle, and braking. Then she shuts all that off and settles down to play with the trains for the next 2 or 3 hours. As she gets older, if she becomes interested in switch lists, whistle codes at crossovers, rule 17 lighting, etc, the technology is there to do it (everything I run, including my original 302AC, is DCC). But right now, she's happy moving people with my train, and I'm happy to play with her. The cup is well over half full. Best regards, Bill At 03:03 PM 12/9/2006 +0000, Jerry Matsick wrote: >My point is 1949 when Gilbert American Flyer trains were the only S >gauge trains out, they "Dazzled" me, the infamous Flyer Choo Choo >sound or the great smoking engines worked, Now you pay hundreds and >hundreds of dollars for a steam engine the smoke unit doesn't work on >most of them. Is the modern trains Dazzling the kids as I was some 50 >years ago? That is my point! I believe many of you feel the same >way But I still love my trains! > >Jerry Matsick >Jacksonville

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42397	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 12/9/2006
Subject: Re;Diversity and Uniformity

Diversity is a good thing. While I started with American Flyer as a child, I've since worked in every scale from tiny Z to ride on and worked part time in a hobby shop over fifteen years. My miniature railroading life has been "diverse" to say the least! :>) I decided that I liked DC operation, so my railway is S gauge but DC powered. I like the reliability of large wheel flanges as to staying on the track, so "hi-rail" operation is for me. Having been through all the hassles of malfunctioning electronics in O gauge and seeing the problems this caused customers at the hobby shop, I decided to minimze any use of electronics. This all boils down to the KISS principle. Keep It Simple Stupid. My "uniformity" is based in DC power, big wheel flanges, minimal electronics. And this is only possible due to the "diversity" in S gauge today. If you are an A.C. Gilbert collector, that is your uniformity. If you are a scale railroader, that is your uniformity. The one thing we should all have in common is that we're having FUN with S Trains! Stumpy Stone...doing my own thing in the wilds of Appalachia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42398	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/9/2006
Subject: Re: Diversity and uniformity

All I can say is my 50+ year old trains run better than I do. :) Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42399	From: Mike Rosz	Date: 12/9/2006
Subject: Walthers phone numbers I forgot.

1(800) 4TRAINS or 1(800) 487 - 2467 give them a call ask for reference book they do not call it a catalog any more. If it was a catalog they would have to have the part therefore the name change.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42400	From: jimensign50@aol.com	Date: 12/9/2006
Subject: Re: eBay - Why are the bids so high on this set?

My guess is two reasons: 1.) It seems to be a complete set in excellent condition, and 2.) Nothing looks better under the tree than an "old-timey" train. It's a nice set, but, no, I wouldn't pay $850 for it. Jim E. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42401	From: keefer1	Date: 12/9/2006
Subject: Re: eBay - Why are the bids so high on this set?

I would tend to agree with Mike, inexperienced or shill bidders, or someone that doesn't intend to pay just running the price up on the seller. I have seen several nice Franklin sets go for under $150 , and since you have to take it out of the box to run it $700 for a box is awfull high. Just my opinion. Keith --- jimensign50@... wrote: > My guess is two reasons: > > 1.) It seems to be a complete set in excellent > condition, and > 2.) Nothing looks better under the tree than an > "old-timey" train. > > It's a nice set, but, no, I wouldn't pay $850 for > it. > > Jim E. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42402	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/10/2006
Subject: Re: eBay - Why are the bids so high on this set?

Here is another odd FACT about the auction. It ended at 14:34 The buyer left Pos. Feedback @ 14:41 & the seller @ 14:54..... I have NEVER had feedback left so fast for anything I sold & not from a buyer that has yet to see the item!!! Unless they live next door to each other & ran into each other on the way to the PO>>> LOL I (IMHO) smell a RATT Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42403	From: John Degnan	Date: 12/10/2006
Subject: FOUND : 1:64 Scale EARLY Miliraty Vehicles!

Go to the following web site and click Advanced Search (in the left column) and enter 1:64 in the "keywords (optional)" box at the bottom; leave all other boxes set to "Any..." http://www.flyingmule.com Or you can try to copy and paste the following URL into your browsers address box : http://www.flyingmule.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?CAT_TYP=&CAT_OPR=&CAT_RNG=&CAT_SCL=&CAT_DPT=&CAT_USR=1%3A64&Store_Code=AV&Screen=SRCH&Search=1%3A64&x=31&y=6 Or, if your e-mail client supports hyper links... just click HERE. Oh, and you CAN'T beat the prices... all four of the EARLY tank models are $4.99!!! John Degnan Southeast Georgia [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42404	From: nortonbp	Date: 12/10/2006
Subject: looking for info.

Hi everyone, new to group. I am 58 years old and just found my old American Flyer Train set.Would like to find a little history on it and info on how to care for it. I think the motor may be locked up.The coal car has American flyer lines with Burlington Route on it. The engine has the numbers 21166 on it. Can not see any other info anywhere.Thanks in advance for any help given. Phill

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42405	From: tomminil@aol.com	Date: 12/10/2006
Subject: Re: eBay - Why are the bids so high on this set?

Sounds like a shill set up contact ebay what was the item nnumber -----Original Message----- From: anormal1@... To: keefer1_us@... Cc: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 12:11 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] eBay - Why are the bids so high on this set? Here is another odd FACT about the auction. It ended at 14:34 The buyer left Pos. Feedback @ 14:41 & the seller @ 14:54..... I have NEVER had feedback left so fast for anything I sold & not from a buyer that has yet to see the item!!! Unless they live next door to each other & ran into each other on the way to the PO>>> LOL I (IMHO) smell a RATT Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42406	From: keefer1	Date: 12/10/2006
Subject: Re: eBay - Why are the bids so high on this set?

Ebay will probably not get involved in investigating, unless someone that was outbid complains. As for me, I blocked the seller, and three of the bidders from bidding on my auctions. Keith --- tomminil@... wrote: > Sounds like a shill set up contact ebay what was > the item nnumber > > > -----Original Message----- > From: anormal1@... > To: keefer1_us@... > Cc: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 12:11 AM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] eBay - Why are the bids so > high on this set? > > > Here is another odd FACT about the auction. > It ended at 14:34 The buyer left Pos. Feedback @ > 14:41 & the seller @ > 14:54..... I have NEVER had feedback left so fast > for anything I sold & not > from a buyer that has yet to see the item!!! Unless > they live next door to each > other & ran into each other on the way to the PO>>> > LOL > I (IMHO) smell a RATT Mike > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of > free safety and security tools, free access to > millions of high-quality videos from across the web, > free AOL Mail and more. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Cheap talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. http://voice.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42407	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 12/10/2006
Subject: Electronics again

Given some of the unfavorable comments about the reliability of electronics. I thought I would post this link and allow the group to take a look at my American Models FP7 conversion from DC EBAY bargain, to TMCC. click on the link: http://www.mwkiner.com/nycpa/amf7.htm MK [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42408	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 12/10/2006
Subject: Re: CC Diversity

In a message dated 12/9/2006 6:46:07 AM Eastern Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes: So I hope that DCC will grow in S scale, before Lionel is able to take over the AF compat market with TMCC. One seriously doubts that Lionel is or will ever be in a position to do this. Although DCC is the NMRA standard, this fact does not make it the one-size-fits-all system for command control for all hobbyists. For those of us with conventional Gilbert layouts who have little interest in upending them to convert to DCC, TMCC is THE single wire godsend. If one wishes to go for a more complex route, the use of TPCs in a layout's control scheme enables one to run vintage Gilbert engines remotely by Cab-1 with absolutely no internal changes whatsoever. For those of us who prefer TMCC for reasons ranging from simplicity, robustness, convenience, and the recognition that its is a more cleverly conceived system than DCC, we are glad that Lionel is making the system and the engines to match available to the marketplace. For those who prefer DCC, please enjoy, but please also leave those of us with other paths that we find more appropriate for our particular circumstances to do so in peace. Bob Bubeck (enjoying TMCC in Midland, MI) ;-) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42409	From: George Cohn	Date: 12/10/2006
Subject: Re: Electronics again

Mark Kiner wrote: > > > Given some of the unfavorable comments about the reliability of > electronics. I thought I would post this link and allow the group to > take a look at my American Models FP7 conversion from DC EBAY bargain, > to TMCC. > > click on the link: http://www.mwkiner.com/nycpa/amf7.htm > <http://www.mwkiner.com/nycpa/amf7.htm> Speaking of electronics, here's something that might be of interest. A device that would allow you to add up to 8 minutes of digitally recorded sound to your layout. http://tinyurl.com/yg4w6t Perfect for upgrading a talking station to modern digital recording. George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42410	From: George Cohn	Date: 12/10/2006
Subject: Re: FOUND : 1:64 Scale EARLY Miliraty Vehicles!

John Degnan wrote: > > > Go to the following web site and click Advanced Search (in the left > column) and enter 1:64 in the "keywords (optional)" box at the bottom; > leave all other boxes set to "Any..." Yesterday I was at a local Walgreens and noticed that they have a ton of 1/64 models! Lot's of 50's and 60's vintage muscle car stuff. And the price is right at $2.99 each. I like stuff from that era as it fits in with the time frame that the original AF trains were made. George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42411	From: Tom P	Date: 12/10/2006
Subject: Track cleaning cars

My dad is 85 years old and cleaning the rails on his layout is a real chore for him as he is partially disabled. I'm looking for advice on track cleaning cars that he can just put behind the engine and let it run the layout, cleaning as it goes. I have seen the type with the roller from Centerline and was not really impressed. Anyone have any experience with the powered cleaners from S-Helper of SnS trains? Thanks, TomP

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42412	From: John	Date: 12/11/2006
Subject: Seasons Greetings

Seasons Greetings to all the train guys and gals out there http://www.riversongs.com/greetings/train.html John

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42413	From: Mark Preman	Date: 12/11/2006
Subject: Train Show this Weekend in Tampa

Tampa Fairgrounds (just off Interstate 4) Saturday, December 16 9:00am to 5:00pm Sunday, December 17 10:00am to 3:00pm I will have two booths (six tables) of American Flyer goodies for your shopping pleasure! Mark Mark B. Preman AmericanFlyerTrains.com --------------------------------- Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42414	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 12/11/2006
Subject: S Scale relative to O and other scales

I have some artwork that was used to make O gauge passenger car decals. I have purchased the right to use the artwork to produce S gauge decals. How much of a percentage reduction would I need to make when digitally scanning the O gauge artwork to get the proper S gauge artwork ? - Earl Henry, Nashville [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42415	From: Bill Porter	Date: 12/11/2006
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} S Scale relative to O and other scales

Hey Earl, Make the new ones 48/64 or 75% of the originals to get S-Scale from O-Scale. Enjoy, Bill Reply from Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Scale@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of tennsgauge@... Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 3:30 PM To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: {S-Scale List} S Scale relative to O and other scales I have some artwork that was used to make O gauge passenger car decals. I have purchased the right to use the artwork to produce S gauge decals. How much of a percentage reduction would I need to make when digitally scanning the O gauge artwork to get the proper S gauge artwork ? - Earl Henry, Nashville . <http://geo.yahoo.com/serv?s=97359714/grpId=252190/grpspId=1706533818/msgId= 39965/stime=1165869037> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42416	From: Arden Goehring	Date: 12/11/2006
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} S Scale relative to O and other scales

Is it 1/43 or 1/48 ? Either 43/64 or 48/64. I can still do the second fraction in my feeble old head. {:-) I have some artwork that was used to make O gauge passenger car decals. I have purchased the right to use the artwork to produce S gauge decals. How much of a percentage reduction would I need to make when digitally scanning the O gauge artwork to get the proper S gauge artwork ? - Earl Henry, Nashville [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42417	From: Richard Hosmer	Date: 12/11/2006
Subject: Re: S Scale relative to O and other scales

Earl, What are the "O" gauge decals, and, can you use them for "O" also under your agreement? I may be looking for decals for the 1939-1941 Gilbert cars - specifically the 496/497 Pullmans. Thanks, Dick Hosmer

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42418	From: Brian Koch	Date: 12/12/2006
Subject: Lionel AF U.P. 4-8-4 smoke unit fix

Hi. I'm new to the group, but I've been following the postings for a while now - particularly those pertaining to the Lionel AF 4-8-4s. I received my U.P. Greyhound a few weeks back, and I have to say that overall I'm very pleased with it. It certainly didn't smoke like my AF 334, though, and the squeak from the air baffle drove me nuts. Having rebuilt a few smoke units, I figured I'd take it apart and see what I could do with it. Following the advice offered in this group, I pulled out the baffle (destroying it in the process) and replaced it with one I made from brass. Even turned around the right way, the thing still squeaked. Finally I discovered that the original installation was not only backwards, but also upside down (the hole is not equi-distant from the top and bottom ends of the plate). After I sorted that out, it worked fine with no squeaks. Next I replaced the Lionel element with an AF wick and element assembly. I made a fixture to hold the wick out of a piece of brass tube and added some 1/32" wires that solder directly into the original holes in the cover plate. The wires are isolated from the tube with some polyetheretherketone (PEEK) insulators. The whole thing just fits inside smoke unit, with room to stuff in about 1 inch of wick coming out of each end of tube. It's a lot less wick than a typical AF unit would have, but it's enough to easily hold 8 drops of fluid. The last step was to remove the resistor in the smoke unit circuit. This where things get interesting, and this is the real reason I'm writing this. I cut the heat-shrink tubing away from the circuit board that rides on top of the smoke unit in order to access the resistor and was quite surprised. Whereas all of the other circuit boards in the locomotive are nicely made and mounted to the chassis, this circuit board has edges that are chipped and broken. The board has several inexplicable components, including an electrolytic capacitor. The printed circuits run to the edge of the board and then are simply sheared off. It suddenly dawned on me - this thing had been salvaged from some defunct electronic device, solely for the purpose of obtaining the resistor that sits in one corner of the board. I was dumbfounded. I tried to imagine some guy in the factory in China snapping boards apart all day, and then I tried to figure out why they would have to go to all that trouble for a lousy resistor. I've seen this sort of thing before on some toys from occupied Japan. On some '50s-vintage toy outboard motors that I have, the strain relief strap on the wires was cut from a tin can. You can still plainly see the writing on the label. Has anyone else had a look at this board? It makes me wonder whether everyone even gets the same resistor. It could cause widely varying smoke unit performance from one locomotive to another. I'd sure like to hear the story from someone at Lionel. I cut the thing out completely. Between that fix and the substitution of an AF wick/element, my 809 smokes just like my old 334. Regards, Brian

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42419	From: Dale Smith	Date: 12/12/2006
Subject: GATS is out of Business

I just went to the GATS website to see the details for the Dec.-Jan. show that is usually scheduled in Marin County California and found that GATS is out of the train show business. Most of the westcoast shows I have attended were GATS sponsored and usually had a sizeable amount of AF for sale at several dealers. I found a little information on the website of the Great Train Expo, run by CIA Inc., http://gte.ciadvt.com/ . It looks like they may be filling the gap left by this situation, even to the point of scheduling shows at the same locations at the same approximate dates as the usual GATS shows. Does anyone else have any more information on the Marin show or the GATS issue generally? Dale Smith Pacifica, CA [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42420	From: acgilbertflyer	Date: 12/12/2006
Subject: Mikado Part

My B&O Mikado came with a broken handrail stanchion. I contacted Lionel early and they sent me a part, problem is they sent the wrong part. I was looking on Lionel's site and they list this part in the mikado parts listing as not being available. I believe I have seen some service people on this list. The question I have, does anywone have a way to obtain this part? MK

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42421	From: Mark Preman	Date: 12/12/2006
Subject: American Models Passenger Sets for Sale

Hi gang, I am helping with a local estate sale and have taken the below listed items in on consignment. The original boxes are not quite perfect but the trains are (as far as I can tell) in Like New condition. Let me know of your interest quickly as I am taking them to the two day train show in Tampa this weekend. I am hoping my webmaster will be able to get some pictures up on the ODDS&ENDS page in a day or so. Mark http://www.americanflyertrains@... (Pennsy) American Models boxed GG1 passenger set LN $499 (Rio Grande) American Models boxed Alco Passenger set LN $699 (Southern Crescent) American Models boxed Southern Steam Passenger set LN $499 Mark B. Preman AmericanFlyerTrains.com --------------------------------- Need a quick answer? Get one in minutes from people who know. Ask your question on Yahoo! Answers. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42422	From: tomminil@aol.com	Date: 12/12/2006
Subject: Re: Lionel AF U.P. 4-8-4 smoke unit fix

Wow that is interesting. Didn't a major computercompany get in BIG trouble for selling reclaimed parts in new items? Tom -----Original Message----- From: bk_484@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 9:26 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Lionel AF U.P. 4-8-4 smoke unit fix Hi. I'm new to the group, but I've been following the postings for a while now - particularly those pertaining to the Lionel AF 4-8-4s. I received my U.P. Greyhound a few weeks back, and I have to say that overall I'm very pleased with it. It certainly didn't smoke like my AF 334, though, and the squeak from the air baffle drove me nuts. Having rebuilt a few smoke units, I figured I'd take it apart and see what I could do with it. Following the advice offered in this group, I pulled out the baffle (destroying it in the process) and replaced it with one I made from brass. Even turned around the right way, the thing still squeaked. Finally I discovered that the original installation was not only backwards, but also upside down (the hole is not equi-distant from the top and bottom ends of the plate). After I sorted that out, it worked fine with no squeaks. Next I replaced the Lionel element with an AF wick and element assembly. I made a fixture to hold the wick out of a piece of brass tube and added some 1/32" wires that solder directly into the original holes in the cover plate. The wires are isolated from the tube with some polyetheretherketone (PEEK) insulators. The whole thing just fits inside smoke unit, with room to stuff in about 1 inch of wick coming out of each end of tube. It's a lot less wick than a typical AF unit would have, but it's enough to easily hold 8 drops of fluid. The last step was to remove the resistor in the smoke unit circuit. This where things get interesting, and this is the real reason I'm writing this. I cut the heat-shrink tubing away from the circuit board that rides on top of the smoke unit in order to access the resistor and was quite surprised. Whereas all of the other circuit boards in the locomotive are nicely made and mounted to the chassis, this circuit board has edges that are chipped and broken. The board has several inexplicable components, including an electrolytic capacitor. The printed circuits run to the edge of the board and then are simply sheared off. It suddenly dawned on me - this thing had been salvaged from some defunct electronic device, solely for the purpose of obtaining the resistor that sits in one corner of the board. I was dumbfounded. I tried to imagine some guy in the factory in China snapping boards apart all day, and then I tried to figure out why they would have to go to all that trouble for a lousy resistor. I've seen this sort of thing before on some toys from occupied Japan. On some '50s-vintage toy outboard motors that I have, the strain relief strap on the wires was cut from a tin can. You can still plainly see the writing on the label. Has anyone else had a look at this board? It makes me wonder whether everyone even gets the same resistor. It could cause widely varying smoke unit performance from one locomotive to another. I'd sure like to hear the story from someone at Lionel. I cut the thing out completely. Between that fix and the substitution of an AF wick/element, my 809 smokes just like my old 334. Regards, Brian ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42423	From: Roy Inman	Date: 12/12/2006
Subject: FW: Another disolusioned S manufacturer

I received this reply from Keith at Pinecanyon models in response to my query about the new Howard's Drive-in kit. I am forwarding this without asking Keith's permission, which might seem rude, but my guess is that there is not privileged communication herein. It must be pretty discouraging... Roy Inman ---------- > From: Pine Canyon <pinecanyon@...> > Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 06:51:05 -0800 > To: Roy Inman <rinphoto@...> > Subject: Re: Howard's > > Hi Roy, > > S-scale sales have been almost nonexistant from the railroaders. The diecast > car collectors have been supporting the sales on the route 66 series. As bag > a news as the drive-in is, we have only sold 5 kits so far. However, we > expect to have it available for a few years, so you will have no problem > getting one in the future. > > Due to lack of interest, all of our future S-scale railroad related projects > have been put on hold or canceled all together. It's a shame, because we had > such big hopes for S. We made the last two kits because I wanted them for my > diorama and the car guys have been asking for them. > > Thank you for your support and have a great holiday season, > Keith Blanchard > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Roy Inman" <rinphoto@...> > To: <pinecanyon@...> > Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 11:57 PM > Subject: Howard's > > >> > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42424	From: Donald Munsey Jr.	Date: 12/12/2006
Subject: Fw: Bachmann HO 4-4-0

To my narrow minded friends in S: In case anyone is looking for trhe new Bachmann 4-4-0 (the modern Richmond version) for bashing and/or conversion, John Weigel just sent me this notice. I have no connection with John, except as a very, very satisfied customer. Keep in touch. Don Munsey, Jr. dmunseyjr@... Sn42 and Hn42 river logging fan Virginian Rwy fan Bonsai grasshopper Living in the UpperRightCorner of Louisiana. ----- Original Message ----- From: Weigel5@... To: dmunseyjr@... Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 5:36 AM Subject: Bachmann HO 4-4-0 Don, The Bachmann HO 4-4-0s are being shipped to me next week. They are $137 each plus shipping if you want to pass that on to your S scale clansmen. Happy holidays. John Weigel The Peterboro Railroad [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42425	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 12/12/2006
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} S Scale relative to O and other scales - MANY TH

From Earl Henry: Thanks for the many online and offline responses to my question of how much of a reduction I need to make in converting artwork from O gauge to S gauge. Some of the responses were hilarious, especially those pointing out what a mathematics dunce I must be. Quite an insult to someone who made 100 on the Algebra II final exam. But that was in 1961. Here is a copy of the best one that I received offline: Earl OFF LIST I am continually terrified at the number of posts on all these model RR lists indicating that everybody flunked basic fractions in the fourth grade. I know you guys are a lot smarter than this. S is 1/64 , 0 is 1/48 or better yet S is 3/16" per ft, 0 is 4/16" per ft [1/4"] So ===> if the S "thing" is 3 units long, the same 0 "thing" is 4 units long, the ratio BETWEEN the scales S to 0 is 3/4 or exactly 75% Make your S scale decals 75% of the size of the 0 scale ones. I would scan them at 100% using the highest resolution possible, and use software like PhotoShop Elements, or anything else, to reduce the image to 75%. To insure that you come out right, put a horizontal AND vertical "make line" on the thing you scan. If you can make the horizontal one exactly four inches long, and the vertical one two inches long, verifying your reduction will be simple. The new "make lines" should be three inches [3/4 of four inches] and 1.5 inches [3/4 of two inches]. Scales and ratios are really easy, don't let the math intimidate you. We will watch what gets posted to the list. Good luck on your decals. BTW, to get the ratio between any of these, just plug in the numbers like 1:87.1 for HO or 1:160 for N, or 1:32 for Scale 1 [not G]. Jim ______________ former mathematician [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42426	From: Phil K	Date: 12/12/2006
Subject: Re: FW: Another disolusioned S manufacturer

Roy, I can only speak for myself on this topic. Within the last few years I have purchased from Doug Peck three or four models made by this company. I have seen them in finished form and they are absolutely wonderful. But I have never been able to find the time to put any of them together, so they sit, waiting, on a high shelf. On my layout I have buildings that someone else built and painted. I bought them at train shows. As a professional writer who does a lot of work at home, I feel I am being much more productive with my "spare" hours banging away at a keyboard -- which gives me the extra $$$ to buy structures built by someone else and have money left over. Phil K *************************************************************** --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Roy Inman <rinphoto@...> wrote: > > I received this reply from Keith at Pinecanyon models in response to my > query about the new Howard's Drive-in kit. > I am forwarding this without asking Keith's permission, which might seem > rude, but my guess is that there is not privileged communication herein. > It must be pretty discouraging... > Roy Inman > > ---------- > > From: Pine Canyon <pinecanyon@...> > > Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 06:51:05 -0800 > > To: Roy Inman <rinphoto@...> > > Subject: Re: Howard's > > > > Hi Roy, > > > > S-scale sales have been almost nonexistant from the railroaders. The diecast > > car collectors have been supporting the sales on the route 66 series. As bag > > a news as the drive-in is, we have only sold 5 kits so far. However, we > > expect to have it available for a few years, so you will have no problem > > getting one in the future. > > > > Due to lack of interest, all of our future S-scale railroad related projects > > have been put on hold or canceled all together. It's a shame, because we had > > such big hopes for S. We made the last two kits because I wanted them for my > > diorama and the car guys have been asking for them. > > > > Thank you for your support and have a great holiday season, > > Keith Blanchard > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Roy Inman" <rinphoto@...> > > To: <pinecanyon@...> > > Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 11:57 PM > > Subject: Howard's > > > > > >> > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42427	From: acgilbertflyer	Date: 12/12/2006
Subject: Alton Limited set on Ebay

Saw this on ebay if anyone is intersted. Item: 230062848508

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42428	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/12/2006
Subject: Re: FW: Another disolusioned S manufacturer

From what I gather from Roy's email, that this company dropped these products due to lack of interest. I don't blame him for that, as running a business, one has to buy inventory, that takes away from working capital (money) to run the business. So, to have alot of money tied up in something that does not sell is not a smart business move. I was told by one hobby shoppe that USED to carry S products, that the items do not move and eventually they sell them at a loss. Again, not a smart thing for a business to do. So who could blame a business for this. Not sure what his marketing plan is for these products, but there is so much marketing you can do, if you get no response from the market place for the products. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42429	From: keefer1	Date: 12/12/2006
Subject: Electrical HELP needed

Is there anyway to run an MTH coal loader (test only) without the MTH button. All I need to do is run the motor in either direction. Can i stick jumpers right to the motor terminals? ac or dc ? I need to try to figure this out before I take it back to school in the am. Keith ____________________________________________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42430	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 12/12/2006
Subject: Re: Electrical HELP needed

You should be able to use clipleads to test the motor. It is a DC can motor. You can run it too far down and the cord will start winding backwards on the drum so "down" becomes "up". Carl -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of keefer1 Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 5:56 PM To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Electrical HELP needed Is there anyway to run an MTH coal loader (test only) without the MTH button. All I need to do is run the motor in either direction. Can i stick jumpers right to the motor terminals? ac or dc ? I need to try to figure this out before I take it back to school in the am. Keith ____________________________________________________________________________ ________ Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42431	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 12/12/2006
Subject: Another disolusioned S manufacturer

Easily understand Keith's dilemna. I have a quantity of "S" flat cars, done in prototypical colors with prototypical info on them, professionally pad printed, the smallest detail is legible. A friend (since deceased) and I did this. Stopped carrying them to train shows LONG ago. Loads of compliments, but always heard the familiar refrain, "NOT American Flyer" and they weren't. Better made, rolled better, looked better, LOTS less expensive. Hear it frequently from others who tried to respond to "S" wants, as Bill Wade said, the first few sell, the rest dwell. Jim "build to deposits now" Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42432	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 12/12/2006
Subject: Re;FW Another disillusioned S manufacturer

Just over a year ago I started making resin structures for my various S and On30 display layouts. Nothing fancy, but very simple and easy to assemble. Several people asked if I would make a few up to sell, so I did. Charged $20. for a kit. No sale, including these same people. Then I was told that if I built them, they would sell because "S gaugers won't buy kits." $30. built up. Guess what, they won't buy built up either. "If you would have done this, or painted it that color..." There were seven different buildings. The guys at the hobby shop told me this would happen, but being an enthusiastic S guy, I didn't listen. Now for those of you who think these are ugly buildings, ask anyone who was at last year's S Spree, or check out the "Stumpy"s Stuff" album in the S Trains PHOTOS section. This is also why the hobby shop carries mostly O gauge three rail and HO stuff. (Even so, they have a good stock of S gauge.) As a business you MUST stock what keeps you in business. As for me, I didn't lose anything because I still use the buildings as I intended. My hat is off to small manufacturers and vendors. Stumpy Stone...still playing with trains in Appalachia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42433	From: Brian Koch	Date: 12/12/2006
Subject: Lionel AF 4-8-4 smoke unit

I posted a photo of the questionable circuit board I found in my U.P. Greyhound. Note the missing lower right corner and otherwise rough appearance. It's nothing at all like the other boards on the chassis. Perhaps it was assembled by hand and the others are machine-made. Carl suggested to me that it is a voltage regulating circuit, hence all of other stuff on the board. After looking it over some more, I think I can believe this. If it hasn't had a previous life, then it is the sorriest looking new component I've ever seen. What's more, it doesn't seem to serve it's purpose. Obviously you want a constant, optimum voltage to the smoke unit in order to deliver a reasonable amount of smoke and provide decent longevity of the heating element. So, here is this relatively complex circuit that essentially delivers no smoke until you kick the throttle wide open. Maybe my board is defective and the good ones actually do the job. I don't want to be too hard on Lionel, because I really do like this locomotive. But honestly, Gilbert came up with a darn good smoke unit decades ago and Lionel now owns the rights to the design. Why change it? BTW, by moving the right end of the jumper wire you see in the photo to the lower-most pin, the entire circuit is eliminated and full track voltage goes to the smoke unit. This might burn out the Lionel element in short order, so I don't know that I would try it without switching to an AF wick and element. I measured 19 ohms across the Lionel element. Regards, Brian

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42434	From: charlie and edith	Date: 12/13/2006
Subject: Dry Transfer Overcoat

Greetings! Am putting dry transfer lettering on some reclaimed 650 passenger cars and would like to make the transfers more permanent with an overcoat. The hobby shop has the clear gloss\dullcoat lacquer or the semi-gloss acrylic which I can use in the airbrush or perhaps something in a spray can? What has experience shown to be good choice? Thanks for your thoughts and best wishes, Charlie [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42435	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 12/13/2006
Subject: More on Lionel AF 4-8-4(s)

I to suffer from a non functioning #809. It will put out just a wisp of smoke at 16 volts but try to keep it on the track at that voltage. The squeaking piston is very bothersome. Today I received a #800 and it almost does what it is supposed to do. The Railsounds are there (no sounds on the 809) but like the 809 it does not want to smoke and has the squeaky smoke piston. There is no response from either of them as regards, whistle or bell. We did get the bell on the 800 to ring once when we used the whistle control on my ZW. After that, nada..... The UP Mikado is a far, far superior loco than the Northern(s). Oh, yes. The Docksider does nothing but go around the track as well. The piston in it is totally silent and no smoke. We (SnS Trains) will not be buying any future Lionel Loco stock, period. I guess we will be converting these Northerns to DCC with Dallee sound units. Otherwise they are no different than a Gilbert # 300. If the seller will take them back, that's another option. Steve SnS trains Boise [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42436	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 12/13/2006
Subject: Re: Lionel AF U.P. 4-8-4 smoke unit fix

Got it.. Link is http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/view/9477?b=1 What does the other side look like? That is a regulator board of some kind. The voltage that the smoke element uses in is the 3-4 volt range so you will get the full voltage to the element at lower track voltages. ( In theory) However it is not the same quality board that I have seen before. It looks like it's from another vendor. Lionel has not printed the specs for these boards in any Service Station documents that I have seen. Carl . -----Original Message----- From: Brian Koch [mailto:bk_484@...] Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 8:09 AM To: Carl Tuveson Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Lionel AF U.P. 4-8-4 smoke unit fix Hi Carl. It's on the third photo album page. Brian [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42437	From: skipkendel	Date: 12/13/2006
Subject: TMCC Questions

Does anyone know if the Lionel TMCC switch-accessory controller will work with AF or S-Trax switches? If it will work, is there any trick to wiring it? On a related matter, has anyone used the Lionel TMCC block power controller on their layout? I am planning to have four blocks on my layout. I haven't sorted out just how these should be wired. Skip Kendel Little Rock, AR

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42438	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 12/13/2006
Subject: "L" Northern followup

Having read all the different peoples suggestions and ways to "FIX" the problems with the Lionel Northerns and Docksiders, my response is this. Why in the name of all that's holy should I, or anyone have to "FIX" a brand new locomotive? How many of you had to "FIX" your Flyer when it was new in the 40's or 50's or 60's? How many of us must "FIX" our new car in order to drive it off the car lot? Did we have to "FIX" the new DVD player before it would work? Lionel should be ashamed of themselves putting this junk on the market. Like we used to say in the 50's regarding Hot Rods, "If it don't go, Chrome it!" Seems we have a lot of chrome from Lionel on these latest offerings. Steve Blackburn SnS Trains Boise, Idaho Proud of what we do. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42439	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 12/13/2006
Subject: Re: "L" Northern followup

I agree with Steve. I have been watching the posts on the various problems with the Northerns and will just refer you all back to these two posts from January of this year: My post 33647 dated: January 3, 2005 "From reading posts to the group it appears that 3 of 5 Mikados have been delivered with problems. Two of them are being returned for repairs. I think I'll put my money elsewhere rather than risk buying a product with a 40 - 60% initial failure rate!!" My post 33651 dated: January 3, 2005 "If you read all of the posts regarding the Mikado on this list you will see that the initial failure rate is very high. Of course it changes with every new post. If the failures are due to people not reading the manual then that certainly is not Lionel's fault. But if I buy a brand new $600 locomotive I do not expect to have to check all mechanical fasteners for tightness nor would I expect to find loose fasteners in the box. I would certainly expect it to run longer than 10 minutes without binding up. Hopefully those group members who are having good success with their Mikados will chime in and let us hear some good news. Someone might even want to set up a poll for the owners of the Mikado to rate their experience with the new engine." I got flamed pretty good back then for daring to say the new Lionel Mikados had a high initial failure rate and now it seems the Northerns are following along the same "high failure out of the box" path, not to mention the various problems with the Docksiders. So flame away - I can take it. I made the mistake of buying a Docksider, but my money will not be spent on a new Lionel engine until these serious design and reliability issues are solved. BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, boss31@... wrote: > > Having read all the different peoples suggestions and ways to "FIX" > the problems with the Lionel Northerns and Docksiders, my response > is this. Why in the name of all that's holy should I, or anyone have to > "FIX" > a brand new locomotive? How many of you had to "FIX" your Flyer when > it was new in the 40's or 50's or 60's? How many of us must "FIX" our new > car in order to drive it off the car lot? Did we have to "FIX" the new DVD > player before it would work? Lionel should be ashamed of themselves > putting this junk on the market. Like we used to say in the 50's regarding > Hot Rods, "If it don't go, Chrome it!" Seems we have a lot of chrome from > Lionel on these latest offerings. > > Steve Blackburn > SnS Trains > Boise, Idaho > > Proud of what we do. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42440	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/13/2006
Subject: Re: "L" Northern followup

Also keep in mind the # of unopened one's that sit on the collectors shelve & un-run on display. I sold the ones I got. Bought a 336 But, it turned out to need a lot of work. But I'm still under the $450 mark on it. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42441	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 12/13/2006
Subject: Re: More on Lionel AF 4-8-4(s)

This is what I posted back in November, works great for me. "I've done this to both the Docksider and the new Northern to improve the smoke output. Got this from a Lionel repair station repairman. Bypass the resistor, wire straight through to the smoke unit via the on/off switch. I have done this with excellent results, especially the docksider. Either cut the wires leading to the resistor or unsolder. You may remove all together or leave strapped in. The resistor board is covered with black heat shrink and is strapped to the Docksider motor and to the Northen brass piston chamber. In the case of the Northern, replace the wick material with either MTH wick material or angel hair used in Flyer smoke units. Pack the heating element area but don't over do it. Abnormal smoke fluid works best, can even use Super Smoke fluid. To quiet the "chirp" and improve the smoke piston pressure, take a packing peanut and cut it in a rectangular shape a little larger than the opening in the top of the smoke unit and about 1/2 inch deep. Carefully wedge it into the opening, this will cut down the chirp sound drastically and push out more smoke. Let me know how this works out for you". Harwood [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42442	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 12/13/2006
Subject: Re;L Northern followup

Maybe everyone should have bought the S Helper 2-8-0 and the American Models Northern instead of Lionel stuff? Stumpster

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42443	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 12/13/2006
Subject: Lionel Northerns - ?

Perhaps I was blessed, both of my Northerns operate just fine, the railsounds are super, smoke is just enough, and the squeeking imitation choo choo of AF seems to be disapating! The engines are not on the level of the Lionel Mikado, but they are fine. It seems to me that we complain more than being thankful and glad that we live in the US of A and not in Irag! Jerry Matsick Jax S Ville

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42444	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 12/13/2006
Subject: Re;Dry transfer overcoat

You should have no problem with Testors Dullcote or Glosscote with dry transfers or decals. I've used these products many, many times. It's actually too bad they don't make a "Satincote" or "Semi-Glosscote" as Glosscote seems a bit shiney to duplicate the American Flyer finish, but Dullcote definately isn't right. Both of these products come in spray cans which work just fine. Stumpy Stone...aside the Ohio River in Eastern Ohio.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42445	From: keefer1	Date: 12/13/2006
Subject: Re :HELP

Thanks for all the responses. Fixed the coal loader. I'll know better than to leave the controller anywhere next time. Keith ____________________________________________________________________________________ Want to start your own business? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/r-index

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42446	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/13/2006
Subject: Re: More on Lionel AF 4-8-4(s)

But then again, he may be right. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42447	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/13/2006
Subject: Re: More on Lionel AF 4-8-4(s)

I think Harwood meant "ANORMAL1 smoke fluid. Mike Anormal1 Smoke Fluid [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42448	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 12/13/2006
Subject: Re: Dry Transfer Overcoat

Hi Charlie, I have used a mixture of Testor's Glosscoat and Dullcote that I bought in bottles and combined to make a "satin". Scalecoat can also be used, and works quite well. Of course, airbrushing works best, but you have to experiment on the right mixture for the gloss level that you are looking for. I start with 50-50 and go from there. Good luck! Jerry Poniatowski Wayne, MI --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "charlie and edith" <charlieandedith@...> wrote: > > Greetings! Am putting dry transfer lettering on some reclaimed 650 passenger cars and would like to make the transfers more permanent with an overcoat. The hobby shop has the clear gloss\dullcoat lacquer or the semi-gloss acrylic which I can use in the airbrush or perhaps something in a spray can? What has experience shown to be good choice? Thanks for your thoughts and best wishes, Charlie > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42449	From: George Cohn	Date: 12/13/2006
Subject: Track Cleaning

About a month ago, someone, I think it was Stumpy, mentioned that he had some rusty track to dispose of. I mentioned that I was testing a method to reclaim rusty track. I used a technique that was discussed on the car list I admin. I dumped a quart of plain old black strap molasses in a 5 gallon bucket, added a couple of gallons of water and threw some track in that I thought was beyond salvage. I just took it out earlier today and am amazed! It came out very clean. It was soaking for about a month. I washed it in dish detergent and water and sprayed it with WD-40 to displace the moisture. Not quite as shiny as the new K-Line 54 inch stuff I have but very usable. Just make sure you don't try to brush it while wet or the insulators can get mushy and fall apart. After drying, all of mine looks great! George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42450	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 12/13/2006
Subject: Flat cars

The flat cars we did used the "Repro" A/F cars done in Europe. We used "Repro" A/F trucks that actually work better than the trucks they represented. The colors were accurate to the application, the info on the cars was accurate to the individual car and the represented railroad. I do remember there was PRR "revenue", PRR MOW, 3 in Postwar yellow, 1 pre-war gray, black READING, and others. Will dig them out soonest. The PRR MOW's at NTTM had details added. That can be done again. Will try to get pics. Thanks for your interest, Jim Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42451	From: Phil K	Date: 12/13/2006
Subject: Re: "L" Northern followup

Just for a little balance, since the ones that work well aren't cited in forum posts: I have six Mikados and every one ran great out of the box and is still going strong. I have two each of the Northerns and again, no problems. So that's 10 for 10 for Flyonel with me. Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42452	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 12/14/2006
Subject: Re: More on Lionel AF 4-8-4(s)

Yep, sorry for slip up Mike. Great smoke fluid. Use it in everything. Harwood [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42453	From: acgilbertflyer	Date: 12/14/2006
Subject: Re: "L" Northern followup

For the record I have 1 Flyonel northern that smokes fine, and rail sounds are fine. I like the rail sounds much better than my AM northern, and will probably convert the AM to TMCC w/railsounds. I have 3 flyonel Mikados and they haven't been run hard, but they are run regularly and all work great. I have an Alton set that is supposed to show up Monday, and hope I am as pleased with the Pacific in it. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Phil K" <waldootten@...> wrote: > > Just for a little balance, since the ones that work well aren't cited > in forum posts: > > I have six Mikados and every one ran great out of the box and is still > going strong. > > I have two each of the Northerns and again, no problems. > > So that's 10 for 10 for Flyonel with me. > > Phil K >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42454	From: r_ahrens99	Date: 12/14/2006
Subject: Re: Track Cleaning

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, George Cohn <gwcohn@...> wrote: > > About a month ago, someone, I think it was Stumpy, mentioned that he had > some rusty track to dispose of. > > I mentioned that I was testing a method to reclaim rusty track. > > I used a technique that was discussed on the car list I admin. > > I dumped a quart of plain old black strap molasses in a 5 gallon bucket, > added a couple of gallons of water and threw some track in that I > thought was beyond salvage. >> > Not quite as shiny as the new K-Line 54 inch stuff I have but very usable. > Have you checked the track for integrity of the insulators? I mean, did the soaking degrade the cardboard to the point where it is loose or may cause a short? (after drying out of course) Thanks for sharing a method that may save much rusty Gilbert track! > Just make sure you don't try to brush it while wet or the insulators can > get mushy and fall apart. After drying, all of mine looks great! > > George Cohn >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42455	From: Bret	Date: 12/14/2006
Subject: seabord switcher set

found this on ebay check it out not mine 200056130187

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42456	From: Michael Martino	Date: 12/14/2006
Subject: northern's etc

I have and always wiill be a passive member of this group. but I'm getting tired of reading. about the short comings of Lionel engines.Some work,a lot don't.We have fallen into the "gotta have it crowd" We spend our money on stuff that is not worth it. do you really think the suits at Lionel care...no...gimme your money.. sorry send it back..maybe we will fix it,but pay shipping...Until they come out with a product that works well Don't buy from them the message will be very clear...And to the blurb abt we live in a country where we can speak out as opposed to any other what a bunch of baloney these are TOY"S plain and simple. not a way of life. and to the "Collectors" I hope you end up like the baseball card people where cards that were selling at 1000 are now worth 25.00 it was always cardboard... As a hobby S is great...but a hobby only there are more important things in this world . If you wanna throw me otta the group ...fine...but I just had to say something. MIKE --------------------------------- Cheap Talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42457	From: Phil K	Date: 12/14/2006
Subject: Re: northern's etc

And a very Merry Christmas to you, too, Ebenezer. >>>...and to the "Collectors" I hope you end up like the baseball card people where cards that were selling at 1000 are now worth 25.00 it was always cardboard... MIKE<<<

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42458	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 12/14/2006
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] northern's etc

In a message dated 12/14/2006 11:24:30 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, muniman18@... writes: and to the "Collectors" I hope you end up like the baseball card people where cards that were selling at 1000 are now worth 25.00 This has already started happening....The pre-boomer generation is liquidating which has placed more product back into the market...Wait until the boomers start trading their trains in for retirement villages. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42459	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/14/2006
Subject: Re: northern's etc

To the guy that said "Baseball cards are just cardboard" Well $100 bills are just paper. So they really are not worth what they were in the 50's. So I'll buy all you can sell me for $25 ea. :) Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42460	From: Robert A Persing	Date: 12/14/2006
Subject: Track cleaning

I use a glass beader to clean track,it is just like sandblasting but you use glass beads.Does not do any damage to the insulators and the track looks great. Bob Persing [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42461	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 12/14/2006
Subject: Re;Northerns, etc.

Okay, okay, enough! This is starting to get nasty.....and at the time of the year when it shouldn't. Electronics are a growing problem industry wide. We've been dealing with this sort of thing at the hobby shop for several years in O gauge. It is very aggravating for the customer and the shop. You would think that by now the manufacturers would be making some attempt to solve ongoing electronics quality control problems, but our experiance has been otherwise. This is partly our own fault as we demand more and more bells and whistles (literally) in our trains. But getting nasty with each other will not solve the problem. Stumpy in Appalachia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42462	From: jimensign50@aol.com	Date: 12/15/2006
Subject: Re: Re;Northerns, etc.

I agree with Stumpy.... Enough Already! I hardly ever participate in this forum, but since I had my eye on a grey Northern down at Hank's, I was interested. But the comments are no longer informative, just antagonistic. Let's all just take a break and run our trains.. Jim E. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42463	From: acgilbertflyer	Date: 12/15/2006
Subject: NYC Budd passenger set

I am leaning toward buying an AM NYC budd passenger set. Also thinking about an E8 AA set (NYC also) Thought I would check if anyone on the list has anything to sell prior to placing an order. MK

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42464	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 12/15/2006
Subject: More on "L" locos

It seems that there are a couple of folks out there that missed the point of my diatribe on the new S-Gauge Steamers by Lionel. I'll try to explain it once more. After spending about $1,000 for two Northerns and a Docksider, I expect them to perform as advertised. Nothing miraculous, just "as advertised". Simple things like sound & smoke. You know, the stuff that a $75 Atlantic by Gilbert will do. If all I wanted to do was "run my trains" then any one of my cast metal steamers by AC will outdo the new stuff and I might as well JUST run them. Just" running our trains" doesn't fix the current problem or alert the "L" folks that we expect more from their expensive J U N K! When a car maker produces a lemon they recall them and fix the problem (in most cases). Why do we hear nothing from the manufacturer of these faulty products? With all the phone calls and letters and emails to them, one would think they might have a light go on and at least SAY SOMETHING. Just my not so humble opinion. Truly sorry if facts upset people, but if SnS did business like "L we wouldn't have a business. Steve [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42465	From: John Foley	Date: 12/15/2006
Subject: J Tower

Hi Folks Pennsy Modelers, J Tower in S. From GCLaser Check it out at, http://www.gclaser.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=GI&Category_Code=SSS John Foley [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42466	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 12/15/2006
Subject: Re: NYC Budd passenger set

----- Original Message ----- From: acgilbertflyer Also thinking about an E8 AA set (NYC also) > > > > > > > > > If you get the E8 units and you're running on AF track, be sure the seller will take them back if they don't work for you. There's nothing wrong with the locos, but on such sharp radii, especially at switches, they sometimes have problems. I saw one run all over an AF layout with lots of switches, and it ran fine except at one switch where it always derailed That switch didn't look any different to the eye, and we couldn't figure it out. Given more time, maybe we could have. If that does become a concern, there is also the FP7s, available in NYC passenger colors in A, AA, AB, or ABA, ABBA configurations. Tom Hawley (Yes, I am an AM dealer - but I don't do mail-order.)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42467	From: Brian Koch	Date: 12/15/2006
Subject: American Flyer by Lionel

When I first heard that Lionel was re-issuing the AF 4-8-4, I could hardly believe it. The thought that this would happen had never even crossed my mind. Despite a few problems, I feel very fortunate to have one in my hands. Let's face it, it's a beautiful locomotive. Any manufacturer of S scale equipment is a precious resource to those of us that love this hobby so much. Despite all of the new S products becoming available these days, we still don't have anywhere near the number of choices available to HO or N scale modelers. That being said, I wouldn't want to discourage anyone from producing S scale trains. If Lionel decided that AF just wasn't worth it anymore, I doubt that we ever again see trains that have a trace of Gilbert heritage in them. I'm not suggesting that we let Lionel off the hook when they slip up on quality. I would, however, urge calm and rational dialog with them (and amongst ourselves), and whatever patience we can muster. If something doesn't work, make them fix it under warranty. If something is less than optimal let them know about it in no uncertain terms. The number of complaints will send a strong message and the warranty will eat into their profits. I wouldn't hesitate to tell them the good stuff - the stuff you do like - at the same time though. Hopefully they will learn that most customers will tolerate problems so long as the company makes them feel informed and involved in the resolution. As for the smoke unit issue on the 4-8-4, I hope I didn't stir up too much trouble with it. My intention was not so much to complain, but to share the information and learn what I could from the rest of you. Yesterday I sent them a photo of the troublesome regulator board to Lionel and I asked them if they were aware of any problems. They of course sent a single word in response: "NO". But they have the photo and they know that I'm not shy about opening their product (sometimes even at the expense of voiding the warranty)to scrutinize everything inside. I'm not looking for anything from them this time besides awareness. My train still runs and I can fix my own smoke unit for a few bucks, so I'm letting them have this one on me. The people who received locomotives that didn't run at all or have no sound should have their full attention right now anyway. I hope they come back fully repaired and you will see how great these things are when they work right. I plan to pick up a replacement board after the first of the year to see if it's any different from the original. I'll let you know what I find. Regards, Brian

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42468	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/15/2006
Subject: 21105 Engine

This is directed to Bob Bubeck, but any response to this by anyone, is welcome. Bob, my question is about the listing of variations you have listed in your guide book. Could you or anyone, explain the difference between listing #2, Standard die-cast wheels with white plastic rims, vs. listing number 3, plastic drivers, with write painted rims. Plastic drivers? Is that the piece on the wheels that drives the engine, as normally they are metal. Thanks, as I am need of these engine to complete a set, I am working on, I would like to be able to tell the difference of the two. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42469	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 12/15/2006
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] More on "L" locos

In a message dated 12/15/2006 2:06:46 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, boss31@... writes: Just my not so humble opinion. Truly sorry if facts upset people, but if SnS did business like "L we wouldn't have a business. Just think what you could get away with if you were the KING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42470	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/15/2006
Subject: 21105

I think I finally figure out my question. The wheels are plastic vs. metal. But how about the rod on the wheels. Are they metal on both versions. Thanks, Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42471	From: charlie and edith	Date: 12/15/2006
Subject: Dry Transfer overcoat

Greetings! Many thanks for the suggestions for "overcoating". If using an airbrush, a blend of Testors gloss/dullcote was the majority opinion. Again, thanks and best wishes Charlie [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42472	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/15/2006
Subject: Re: 21105

Who was just looking for a 21105? This is a Buy it Now item #180064703724 for $40 Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42473	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 12/15/2006
Subject: Re: SHS Christmas Blatant commericalism

Sorry this e-mail is coming so late in the year, our 2006 Christmas cars arrived today from our builder via FedEx. We were able to send all of them out today so even our west coast customers should have them before next weekend. This year’s car is a green BN bulkhead flatcar with 6 colorful gift loads. We still have a few left and they can be seen at: http://showcaseline.com/Flatcars/BHFC/bhfc_in_stock.html On Wednesday another shipment of AF compatible arrived and I am happy to report all roadnames are now in stock (including a few Ups). These are available as DC no sound or smoke, AC/DC Locomatic tm sound & smoke and DCC Tsunami sound & smoke. I am sorry to report that we only have a few code 110 left but should be getting more in February. All roadnames can be seen at: http://showcaseline.com/Locos/2-8-0/2-8-0.html The stock cars, reefers and GM&O pipe cars that were supposed to be here before Christmas are scheduled to leave next week and arrive here on or about January 20th. You can see these at:: http://showcaseline.com/Boxcars/WoodenStock/woodstockcars.html http://showcaseline.com/Reefers/Billboard/woodreefers.html http://showcaseline.com/Flatcars/BHFC/bhfc_in_stock.html Our 2007 catalog is now at the printers and we hope to send them out in the next few days. We w ill be sending a copy out to anyone who has ordered items from us in 2006. If you cannot wait, they can be downloaded. I know a few people have had trouble opening this with Acrobat 4.0. I am not sure if Bill has fixed this yet. You can either order or download at: http://showcaseline.com/Catalogs/catalogs.html

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42474	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 12/15/2006
Subject: Re;Northerns, etc.

Hear, hear, Stumpy. Couldn't have said it better. Keep up the Christmas spirit. Carlton [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42475	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 12/15/2006
Subject: CHUCK - PERSONAL

ARE YOU GETTING MY EMAILS?... SEND ME YOURS..... bOB [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42476	From: Roy Inman	Date: 12/16/2006
Subject: Re: American Flyer by Lionel

Brian has sparked an idea in my alleged mind: What if someone in the NASG crafted a letter detailing our reservations with some of the Flyonel products (not using that term in the letter of course), emphasizing diplomatically how encouraged the A. C. Gilbert fans are to see so much equipment being offered in the American Flyer heritage. I can hear some of the replies now: "They don't care, they won't listen," etc., etc. I don't buy that. Somebody up there likes us, and figures there is a market, otherwise why produce any Flyer-esque stuff at all? The ONLY reason a company is in business is to make a profit. If there were no profit in producing Flyer, we would not see any at all. So, assuming that they are producing the stuff to sell, and also assuming that many of the folks in their target market are on this list, perhaps, just perhaps, if we spoke as one voice via the NASG, we might be heard. Then again, maybe this has already been tried, and if so, it apparently didn't work. There are some newbies at Lionel now, however; what did not work in the past might work today. And perhaps if we were to appeal to their basic business instincts (read: build better stuff and more of us will buy it) maybe they would take note. Any business person wants to sell more of his/her product. The sellouts of several of the engines and sets of recent issues must indicate to the bean counters at Lionel that somebody wants it. Perhaps Lionel assumes a certain percentage of bad order merchandise, not only in the Flyer line but the O, G and HO lines as well, and until they get returns in the magnitude of say 50%, they may not recognize a smaller number of returns as a "problem." Especially when the product sells out anyway. IMHO, Roy Inman From: Brian Koch <bk_484@...> Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 23:04:09 +0000 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] American Flyer by Lionel I'm not suggesting that we let Lionel off the hook when they slip up on quality. I would, however, urge calm and rational dialog with them (and amongst ourselves), and whatever patience we can muster. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42477	From: Al Baker	Date: 12/16/2006
Subject: Sparking drivers on steamers

Hi All, I am familiar with and have repaired driving wheels with loose metal tires. No problem gluing them with super glue, etc. But what about wheels in which the metal tire is NOT loose? What causes sparking? I have a 310 and a Northern that do it. Both are just standard American Flyer engines. Al Baker Portland

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42478	From: Trains	Date: 12/16/2006
Subject: Re: [SPAM] {S-Scale List} Re: [SSTOT] S Scale Gauges (yes, AGAIN)

Hi Ken and everyone, best Holiday wishes to all! Now to the points I read in a NASG Dispatch that someone inquired about producing three point track gauges for S, and that Billy Click new of the whereabouts of the original sand casting pattern board for the three point track gauges, originally created and built by Peter Loeb of Loeb Investments, Houston Texas. This was my firm and was sold to Billy Click and Gale Hall before I left Houston, Texas. The pattern board also contained patterns for 3' narrow gauge and dual gauge track gauges. All the sand cast three point track gauges were machined to NASG/NMRA standards for code 172,148,125/6, 100. (83 not common at that time) 70 and for narrow gauge code 55 if memory serves me. Before Loeb Investments was sold: All the very precise machining was done by Jack Troxel, who recieved minimal compensation to keep prices low for S gaugers. All the other work: creating, design, making pattern board... to casting, cleaning,stamping code on gauge, advertising and marketing was done by me. My track gauges were distinguished by a streamlined T design with a vertical centered fin, heavy durable construction and very precisely machined rail head guides. The gauges were sold all over the world and to a number of hobby shops around the country, amongst them "Caboose Hobbies" in Denver, Co. Since I joined the S online groups, I have recieved several inquiries/requests for brass three point track gauges. Is there really any intrest in these gauges? It would take hundreds to thousands to justify doing a casting production run!!!! Then one would have to find a willing machinist to machine the brass blanks to the various code widths and precise gauges. In addition there are the costs of tooling, fixtures and jigs and milling cutters (which were frequently destroyed by sand inclusions in the cast brass) ----- Original Message ----- From: ken garber Subject: {S-Scale List} Re: [SSTOT] S Scale Gauges On 12/15/06, Scaler164 <Scaler164@...> wrote: > > Once and for all, I would like to know the following : > 1. Are there "ANY" track gauges of any kind, size, shape, color, > style and/or standard available in S scale? ".... have one shaped in a T-form (cast-brass?) and another that's a bar of machined brass. I don't recall where I got them. One may be BTS. They're both Code 100 Recent Activity a.. 5New Members Visit Your Group New Message Search Find the message you want faster. Visit your group to try out the improved message search. Share feedback on the new changes to Groups . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42479	From: Trains	Date: 12/16/2006
Subject: S track gauges

Hi Ken and everyone, best Holiday wishes to all! Now to three point track gauges! I read in a NASG Dispatch that someone inquired about producing three point track gauges for S, and that Billy Click new of the whereabouts of the original sand casting pattern board mold for the three point track gauges (My old information was that the pattern board had been damaged and that it had been lost /destroyed a long time ago). The sand casting mold was originally created and built by Peter Loeb of Loeb Investments, Houston, Texas. This was my firm and was sold to Billy Click and Gale Hall before I left Houston, Texas. The pattern board mold also contained patterns for S 3' narrow gauge and dual gauge track gauges. All the sand cast three point track gauges were machined to NASG/NMRA standards for code 172,148,125/6, 100. (83 not common at that time) 70 and for narrow gauge code 55, a few were custom cut, if memory serves me. Before Loeb Investments was sold: All the (very precise) machining was done by Jack Troxell, who asked for and recieved minimal compensation to keep prices low for S gaugers. All the other work: creating, designing, making pattern board... to casting, cleaning, stamping code on gauge, advertising and marketing was done by me. My track gauges were distinguished by a streamlined T design with a vertical centered fin, heavy durable construction and very precisely machined rail head guides. The gauges were sold all over the world and to a number of hobby shops around the country, amongst them "Caboose Hobbies" in Denver, Co. This was never a "money maker" and was done more in the spirit of a paid service to S gaugers of ALL types and interests. The same was true for my S coupler height gauge..the first ever made for S gaugers...which I created, designed and manufactured. The "Master Pattern" was machined by Jack Troxell according to my specifications an technical drawings. Silicone molds were made from the masters, and then the plastic castings were made (designed originally for converted HO Kadees)... this has been improved by injection molding and "S" Kadee's and is now offered by the NASG for sale. This might be (possibly) the route to get a "three point track gauge" back on the market. Since I joined the S online groups, I have recieved several inquiries/requests for brass three point track gauges. Is there really any interest in these gauges? It would take hundreds to thousands to justify doing a casting production run!!!! Then one would have to find a willing machinist to machine the brass blanks to the various code widths and precise gauges. In addition there are the costs of tooling, fixtures and jigs and milling cutters (which were frequently destroyed by sand inclusions in the cast brass). It was a labor of love fraught with constant price increases and expenses, not to mention the cost of advertising in all S media and traveling to train shows/conventions... Now a few other words on 3 point track gauges...some old Mid-Gauge brass track gauges are still around, also occasionaly a Loeb Investment gauge shows up, also there was a series of lost wax castings made by Kemtron/Cal-Scale (not machined) that were shaped like a U yolk with a centered leg and vertical rod with a screw on top. They had cast in place gauge pins on the bottom and were made for O, On3, S, Sn3, HO/HOn3. The S std ga was made in various code rail head widths, I believe. There is/were also several makes/code sizes of a cylindrical roll track gauges made. Some of which should still be around in hobby shop inventories. You would need at least three to help with laying rail...the three point is a great design as it won't roll away or shift latterely. In addition the three point gauge spreads the outside rail/gauge ever so slightly in curves, a good thing. If I can help in any way I would be glad to do so, best to all Peter Loeb ----- Original Message ----- From: ken garber Subject: {S-Scale List} Re: [SSTOT] S Scale Gauges > 1. Are there "ANY" track gauges of any kind, size, shape, color, > style and/or standard available in S scale? ".... have one shaped in a T-form (cast-brass?) and another that's a bar of machined brass. I don't recall where I got them. One may be BTS. They're both Code 100" [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42480	From: tomminil@aol.com	Date: 12/16/2006
Subject: Re: Sparking drivers on steamers

Probably more info is needed many things can cause a short circuit. Carefully watch the engine when what where are the sparks? Does the engine stop and start? Is your layout good? I once had a lawyer threaten to sue the shop I worked for an engine repair I did. He met me at a train show, told me the story then I told him I was the repair guy and that his engine worked on my layout. I took him and his engine to my layout where the engine worked perfectly. Well I spent three days at his house fixing his layout. Does the engine wobble? If the wheels are on but not straight on the axle, wheel alignment, and properly gauged. Two of the wheels can contact the frame causing a short or spark. run the engine upside down and see if all wheels are straight and true. does it run with a popsicle stick between the frame and wheel? Do any of the wheels brush against the frame? Does the frame or wheels show wear marks, or spark burn marks? dirty wheels can cause a spark The wires between the engine and tender may be too short or stiff pulling the tender off the track on the curve. Tender trucks may not be "square " Truck can be twisted. Are the tender trucks on tight Tender or engine wire or solder may contact the body causing intermittent short. Are the engine or tender wires touching the body? You may have to run it in the dark with the tender and engine tops off. Troubleshooting is SOOOOO much fun Merry Christmas Tom [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42481	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/16/2006
Subject: Re: 21105

Thanks Mike, as that was me. The engine has steps missing from the cowcatcher and I am looking for a collector type. But I do what to thank you for thinking of me, as I did see that one on ebay yet. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: anormal1@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 11:00 PM Subject: [S-Trains] RE: 21105 Who was just looking for a 21105? This is a Buy it Now item #180064703724 for $40 Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42482	From: johnandrew002	Date: 12/16/2006
Subject: Dockside Switcher

A lot of discussion lately about poor quality of Lionel products. It's not my intention to defend Lionel but I recently purchased a new AF Dockside Switcher and can report that it runs like a racehorse, has great pulling power and directional lighting, smoke and choo choo all work fine. I'm very satisfied with it.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42483	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 12/16/2006
Subject: Re: American Flyer by Lionel

In a message dated 12/15/2006 6:38:30 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, bk_484@... writes: we still don't have anywhere near the number of choices available to HO or N scale modelers Certainly doesn't seem to be the market or interest either. Ask ANY retailer, "S" gathers dust seemingly because "S" people only understand the American Flyer name on the item. Market is very limited for new, better mdse. Definitely unfortunate, but, I would think 98 % of the retailers and manufacturers on here would agree. Jim "two rails for ever" Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42484	From: trainman634	Date: 12/16/2006
Subject: New American Flyer with K-Line trucks.

I am wondering if when the 2007 Lionel catalog comes out, the new American Flyer freight cars will have K-Line sprung trucks?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42485	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 12/16/2006
Subject: Re: American Flyer by Lionel

In a message dated 12/16/2006 10:08:42 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, rinphoto@... writes: I can hear some of the replies now: "They don't care, they won't listen," etc., etc. I don't buy that. Somebody up there likes us, and figures there is a market, otherwise why produce any Flyer-esque stuff at all? The ONLY reason a company is in business is to make a profit. If there were no profit in producing Flyer, we would not see any at all. Well, I can tell you that J Don Reese and Company (ALL of the on-site Rep's) of LIONEL had NO idea that the name on the bottom of their NEW "S" passenger cars was LIONEL LLC, MADE IN CHINA (NOT FLYER)or WHY it was important to have AMERICAN FLYER on the cars (it IS NOT on the new cars anywhere). We checked other cars on the YORK display, some said LIONEL, some said FLYER. SAME tin floor on the box cars, BTW. Maybe they do care, but they DON'T have a clue. J Don's answer ( a very nice gentleman, by the way) was to promise to mention to marketing. Marketing is ALL LIONEL is about. NOTHING else, owned by a marketing company to market products for profit. The AMERICAN way, made in China. I can understand brand loyalty as I can't seem to get anything but GMC in the barn, BUT, certainly thinking there are better products out there. Just can't believe SHS or AM (or others) would ship products with the problems the Flyonel's have had. Years after the problems surfaced with LIONEL'S CW-80 transformer, (for instance) people are STILL opening sets with in-operable transformers. Jim "H-O is my biggest seller" Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42486	From: Ed Eckert	Date: 12/16/2006
Subject: This person has an American Flyer set For sale

atlesteen@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42487	From: Ed Eckert	Date: 12/16/2006
Subject: he has an American Flyer set For sale

atlesteen@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42488	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 12/16/2006
Subject: Re: American Flyer by Lionel

Jim, I can agree generally that they have no clue. It is very hard for a group like Lionel to get into the heads of what makes a group like those who collect and operate American Flyer tick. I also agree that marketing is all Lionel is about. The high cost of skilled labor in the United States and the fact that few who buy S trains would pay it is what drives the actual value added work to places like China. But let's be realistic the actual work flow of product is not that different when comparing Lionel to SHS for example. They are both made in China. I suspect they are both shipped to the US in the boxes they will be in when sold to customers. The difference in my mind for SHS is small operations who only do one thing will always be better at that thing. SHS is directly connected to this group and will be more acutely aware of quality issues than Lionel will. We are 100% important to SHS and only fractionally important to Lionel. That is just the cold hard realities of business. If anyone in this group were running Lionel they would probably be the same way. If they weren't they would quite likely find themselves without a job in a short period of time. The leaders of a company must serve the most important (from profit perspective) customers first. If they don't they get replaced. When there is no profit there is no company. I report directly to the CEO of a 350million dollar company, and I wouldn't have her job for any amount of money. I can also tell you that most every week I wonder if I shouldn't just go back on the drawing board (CAD now) and let someone else deal with the responsibilities that come with the Sr. management jobs. I am certain there is also some small segment of the customer base my company serves that marvels at my stupidity. My point, spend a year in any management function at Lionel and you might not feel they are so consciously incompetent. The play always looks easier when the ref. blows the whistle and the play is dead. I certainly don't advocate blind loyalty, but I do believe our expectations should be realistic.I suspect that by the time Lionel product support became aware of some of these issues, all stock was shipped, and that is assuming they even know now. It is really tough to call the bullet back to the gun on a product release after the trigger is pulled. Now I am going to go play with my Mikado. ----- Original Message ----- From: <WJJIM@...> To: <rinphoto@...>; <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2006 6:11 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] American Flyer by Lionel > > Well, I can tell you that J Don Reese and Company (ALL of the on-site > Rep's) > of LIONEL had NO idea that the name on the bottom of their NEW "S" > passenger > cars was LIONEL LLC, MADE IN CHINA (NOT FLYER)or WHY it was important to > have AMERICAN FLYER on the cars (it IS NOT on the new cars anywhere). We > checked other cars on the YORK display, some said LIONEL, some said > FLYER. SAME > tin floor on the box cars, BTW. Maybe they do care, but they DON'T have > a > clue. J Don's answer ( a very nice gentleman, by the way) was to promise > to > mention to marketing. Marketing is ALL LIONEL is about. NOTHING else, > owned by > a marketing company to market products for profit. The AMERICAN way, > made in > China. > > I can understand brand loyalty as I can't seem to get anything but GMC in > the barn, BUT, certainly thinking there are better products out there. > Just > can't believe SHS or AM (or others) would ship products with the problems > the > Flyonel's have had. Years after the problems surfaced with LIONEL'S > CW-80 > transformer, (for instance) people are STILL opening sets with in-operable > transformers. > > Jim "H-O is my biggest seller" Lyle > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42489	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 12/17/2006
Subject: Judge: Lionel LLC entitled to new trial

Just saw this on the net. Don Thompson S Helper Service Inc. http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061215/BIZ/612150318/1001 <http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061215/BIZ/612150318/1001> Judge: Lionel LLC entitled to new trial DETROIT -- A federal appeals court panel ruled Thursday that Lionel LLC is entitled to a new trial on claims the model train maker stole trade secrets, reversing a lower court's order that Lionel and others pay more than $40 million to a rival. The three-judge panel of the 6th Circuit U.S. Court of Appeals in Cincinnati also threw out an injunction barring Lionel from manufacturing the products it allegedly misappropriated from Mike's Train House Inc . The lawsuit filed in 2000 alleged that Lionel sold model trains using designs stolen from a South Korean manufacturer contracted by Mike's Train House. Mike's, based in Columbia, Md., was once was a contractor for Lionel, based in Macomb County's Chesterfield Township. In June 2004, a jury found that Lionel, along with a supplier and an individual, earned millions of dollars by misusing designs that belonged to Mike's. It awarded Mike's $40.8 million, and Lionel filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy in November 2004. Kennedy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42490	From: Roy Inman	Date: 12/17/2006
Subject: Weathering DVD or book

Can anyone suggest a good resource for weathering structures and rolling stock? DVD or book, either is OK. Thanks in advance for any suggestions :) Roy Inman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42491	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 12/17/2006
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} S track gages

Dear Peter, By the time I got to my layout in the late 70's, DMK was out of three point check gages for code 70. Robin and I had a small S scale company at that time called "Train Stuff". I was making modern kits and had a spin caster for the metal parts. But, the metal parts I made of lead/tin alloy was not suitable for a three point track gage. I found that there was a low temp zinc/aluminum alloy available called S2. Not as high a temp as zamac, but could be cast in hard silastic round molds. Using the DMK blank as a model, I made a pattern and cast up blanks. Using two screw slotting saws on a fixed mandrel, we would cut the grooves on a Horz. milling machine. Each code required a different width saw as the railheads are not the same size for code 70, 83 and 100. We color coded the top of the castings once the grooves were cut, red for code 70, blue for code 83 and I think brown was code 100. When Robin and I sold Train Stuff (not to be confused with the new Trainstuff) we kept a few items that I thought I migh need in the future. I found a few dozen code 70 and code 83 three point gages in the orignal packaging (Wow, they were packaged 25 years ago!). If anyone would like some, they are $6.95 each plus S&H. We ship UPS. Best regards, Don Trains wrote: > Hi Ken and everyone, best Holiday wishes to all! > Now to three point track gauges! > > > . > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42492	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 12/17/2006
Subject: Traction action

.....and now, going away from Flyonel to a different problem. As posted previously, I am rebuilding a junk 356 Silver Bullet. While the shell was damaged and flaking chrome, no chassis modifications were needed aside from a new motor and trailing truck. I have reached the test running stage and have discovered a possible problem. This engine has limited traction. Is this normal for this engine because of the plastic boiler? I guess my question is this; Is the problem light weight or slippery traction tires? What would be the recommended fix? I normally am able to sort these things out, however there are some inconsistancies to consider; I have a Putt Mogul which pulls fine with a metal boiler and no rubber tires. But I have an AF 302 Atlantic with a metal boiler and rubber tires and it is slippery. Yet I also have two 283 Pacifics with Plastic boilers and rubber tires that pull fine. So, as you can see, I'm a bit confused. Stumpy Stone...lost in Appalachia...again!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42493	From: Bret	Date: 12/17/2006
Subject: Af train items for sale

these items are currently listed on ebay but will close the auction if anyone is interested in the items 12 pcs Grey rubber road bed A.C gilbert 15.00 +s/h 140065009857 307 engine EX+ condition all steps and excellent lettering and numbers 40.00+s/h 140065015797 921 everywhere west cb&q in VG CONDITION has 921 written in pen on one side, some scratches and nice lettering but all steps present missing load. 10.00 +s/h item number 140065015600 A LOT OF 4 AMERICAN FLYER CABOOSE SHELLS NO FRAMES. ALL HAVE DAMAGE 3 ARE MISSING 1 TO 3 STEPS 2 HAVE CAT WALK OR ROOF DAMAGE. THE 806 SHELL HAS ALL STEPS CLEAN CATWALK AND NO ROOF DAMAGE HOWEVER THERE IS A FRACTURE UNDER ONE OF THE DOORS IF YOU NEED PICTURE I CAN EMAIL IT. BUT NO PIECES MISSING FROM THE 806 SHELL. LOW START BID 3.00 plus s+H item number 140065042094 combined shipping is available thank you Bret sipla

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42494	From: Phil K	Date: 12/17/2006
Subject: Re: American Flyer by Lionel

Well said, Mark. From reading this board over the past 7 years I realize that some people are horribly bitter toward Lionel and nothing anyone else says will change their minds. They enjoy emptying their craw anytime someone broaches the subject. That Lionel or any other large corporation is interested in making money... well, that's not exactly an epiphany there, is it? While some people truly believe they understand business at the level Lionel operates, they do not. The plain and simple fact is that if Lionel wasn't serving its clientele correctly, it would have ceased to exist many years ago. That, by the way, is the singular fact that the Lionel detractors choose to ignore because it destroys their entire premise. But the self-righteous monority would have you believe Lionel is being run by a bunch of morons -- people of far less intelligence than themselves, who know all the answers. Or that Lionel built an empire solely by screwing people -- we ignorant lemmings who voluntarily and repeatedly purchase its products blindly. Or that it is being run by a throng of money-hungry, greedy robber-barons who care nothing about the wants and needs of the buying public. Hogwash. It is a fact of human nature that more people will use this forum to air their gripes about problems with new products than those who were generally pleased with what was delivered. This phenomena -- which can trigger a "pile-on" effct -- creates a false impression that high percentages of new products were delivered faulty, which is usually not true. By the way, my wife's Volvo made three trips back to the dealer to have issues resolved within the first month, so using the automobile industry as an example of how to properly deliver product (as some have done here) doesn't work for us. Phil K ******************************************************************* --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Mark Kiner" <AF336@...> wrote: > > Jim, > > I can agree generally that they have no clue. It is very hard for a group > like Lionel to get into the heads of what makes a group like those who > collect and operate American Flyer tick. > > I also agree that marketing is all Lionel is about. The high cost of skilled > labor in the United States and the fact that few who buy S trains would pay > it is what drives the actual value added work to places like China. > > But let's be realistic the actual work flow of product is not that different > when comparing Lionel to SHS for example. > > They are both made in China. I suspect they are both shipped to the US in > the boxes they will be in when sold to customers. > > The difference in my mind for SHS is small operations who only do one thing > will always be better at that thing. SHS is directly connected to this group > and will be more acutely aware of quality issues than Lionel will. We are > 100% important to SHS and only fractionally important to Lionel. That is > just the cold hard realities of business. > > If anyone in this group were running Lionel they would probably be the same > way. If they weren't they would quite likely find themselves without a job > in a short period of time. The leaders of a company must serve the most > important (from profit perspective) customers first. If they don't they get > replaced. When there is no profit there is no company. I report directly to > the CEO of a 350million dollar company, and I wouldn't have her job for any > amount of money. I can also tell you that most every week I wonder if I > shouldn't just go back on the drawing board (CAD now) and let someone else > deal with the responsibilities that come with the Sr. management jobs. I am > certain there is also some small segment of the customer base my company > serves that marvels at my stupidity. > > > My point, spend a year in any management function at Lionel and you might > not feel they are so consciously incompetent. The play always looks easier > when the ref. blows the whistle and the play is dead. > > I certainly don't advocate blind loyalty, but I do believe our expectations > should be realistic.I suspect that by the time Lionel product support became > aware of some of these issues, all stock was shipped, and that is assuming > they even know now. It is really tough to call the bullet back to the gun on > a product release after the trigger is pulled. > > Now I am going to go play with my Mikado. > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42495	From: Gerald Dobbs	Date: 12/17/2006
Subject: Track gang set

Has any one heard of a delivery date for the A.F. #594 track gang , that was to be delivered last April ???? Jerry HR77-11644

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42496	From: David	Date: 12/17/2006
Subject: 314 AW whistle in tender

Hi everyone, I need coaching on the 314 AW whistle. I finally can get the armature to turn using the whistle controller but I am hardly hearing a whistle sound. More like a low whirring. Is there any merit in opening the metal whistle enclosure that houses the blower? I'm sure this can make more of a whistle sound than it does presently. Anyone well versed on this repair??? If all else fails, it's back to the whistling billboard. Thanks. Bye the way, I don't see any difference betwwen the 314 engine and a 312. They seem identical..... David Chicgo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42497	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/17/2006
Subject: Re: 314 AW whistle in tender

David, Try _Boss31@..._ (mailto:Boss31@...) He worked on mine & it worked GREAT after. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42500	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 12/17/2006
Subject: Union Pacific and SOUTHERN Mikado's by American Flyer

I have 2 Southern Railway and 1 Union Pacific American Flyer Mikados, NEW in the box, SEALED in the shipper. $519.00 each, $12.00 USPS Continental US MAX, will calculate actual shipping with mailing address. Insurance optional. PA Sales Tax if PA resident. Postal Money Orders acccepted, personal checks allow 12 days. Thank You, Jim Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42501	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 12/17/2006
Subject: Re: 314 AW whistle in tender

Some of the whistles were very prominent, I believe most were not. I have two 314 AW's on the bench now, the one that DID whistle is very hard to hear. The other one is, well, the other one. Gonna do DALLEE in our display engines. Pennsy K-5's coming at you. Jim Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42502	From: keefer1	Date: 12/17/2006
Subject: OUT of LINE

Phil K typed "By the way, my wife's Volvo made three trips back to the dealer to have issues resolved within the first month, so using the automobile industry as an example of how to properly deliver product (as some have done here) doesn't work for us." Of course Phil you didn't pay shipping to send your Volvo back, probably weren't without it for 6-10 weeks , (unless they gave you a loaner) , and when it was fixed, it wasn't just another bad part stuck on, in your words the "issues resolved" I'm not quite sure that based on posting on this list , you have enough knowledge about any individual on the list to make a statement like this. "While some people truly believe they understand business at the level Lionel operates, they do not." I think a moderator on any list , should stay neutral , rather proclaiming how stupid the people that disagree with him are. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42503	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/17/2006
Subject: Fw: Your Island Trains Order

I will let you know if I get any response from the Shoppe. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> To: <orders@...> Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 4:57 PM Subject: Re: Your Island Trains Order > Hi, > > I was just checking to see if anything might be coming in on this item, > the AF track gang. > > Any word from Lionel on what the situation is. > > Thank you, > > Mike Marmer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <orders@...> > To: <mlmarmer@...> > Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 4:04 PM > Subject: Your Island Trains Order > > >> Thank you for your order. >> >> Order Number:13265 >> Placed : 02/15/2006 16:04:37 EST >> >> Ship To: Bill To: >> Michael Marmer Michael Marmer >> mlmarmer@... mlmarmer@... >> 301-540-4145 301-540-4145 >> >> >> 20461 Afternoon Lane 20461 Afternoon Lane >> Germantown MD 20874-1073 Germantown MD 20874-1073 >> US US >> >> Code Name Quantity Price/Ea. >> Total >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> L49808 Amer Flyer Animated Track Gang-Apr 06 1 $71.00 >> $71.00 >> February is just too short >> sale!!!: ($3.55) >> Shipping: MIN. SHIPPING CHARGE- 6.95- EXACT SHIPPING ON >> SETS/TRACK/CLOSEOUTS-: $6.95 >> Sales >> Tax: $0.00 >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Total: $74.40 >> >> >> >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42504	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/17/2006
Subject: Re: Track gang set

Jerry, I too, ordered one of those from a place in NYC. I still have my email receipt from that Shoppe, as I contacted them this summer about it. They told me, they are still waiting shipment. I was thinking about the track gang the other day. I will email them to see what the situation is. I think I have that email response from them. I will forward it to the list if I still have that email from that Shoppe. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: Gerald Dobbs To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 12:46 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Track gang set Has any one heard of a delivery date for the A.F. #594 track gang , that was to be delivered last April ???? Jerry HR77-11644 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42505	From: Phil K	Date: 12/17/2006
Subject: Not OUT of LINE

> Phil K typed "By the way, my wife's Volvo made three trips back to the dealer to have issues resolved within the first month, so using the automobile industry as an example of how to properly deliver product (as some have done here) doesn't work for us." > > Of course Phil you didn't pay shipping to send your > Volvo back, probably weren't without it for 6-10 weeks > , (unless they gave you a loaner) , and when it was > fixed, it wasn't just another bad part stuck on, in > your words the "issues resolved" Keith, there was a lot of time and inconvenience and grief involved in taking a brand-new, fairly expensive car back and forth to the dealership three times. One time, she was stranded miles from home when the car would not start. Sorry, but I think most people would agree that comparing the loss of use of an automobile essential to a person's traveling to and from work every day to the temporary loss of use of a toy train is quite a stretch. > I'm not quite sure that based on posting on this list > , you have enough knowledge about any individual on > the list to make a statement like this. "While some > people truly believe they understand business at the > level Lionel operates, they do not." Go back and read what I wrote carefully -- because that is how I always write (it is what I do for a living) just for these reasons. I said "some people" -- not everyone. Heck, I'm not sure that Lionel completely understands business at its level, let alone anyone here. > I think a moderator on any list , should stay > neutral, rather proclaiming how stupid the people > that disagree with him are. First of all, Keith, let's get one thing straight -- I NEVER "proclaimed" anyone "stupid" so please refrain from putting such volatile words in my mouth in an attempt to inflame other members of this forum to join whatever your cause is. Thank you. And I never said anything negative in that post about people who disagree with me, either, so I don't know where you're getting these false accusations. Finally, all of us moderators are volunteers doing what amounts to a thankless job to ensure this forum remains worth visiting for the countless S gaugers who stop by. Our main job is that of a referee/policeman, to make sure there is maintained some level of civility and peace on this forum; that there is no profanity or obscenity; that no one uses this forum to express their religious or political views; that no one makes slanderous or libelous statements or unfounded accusations against any other person or entity. That's it. And the reason this forum had to be moderated is because some people with their own agendas abused the privilege. I have already deleted several postings today because in the form they were submitted they made unsubstantiated charges that were grossly unfair to Lionel. But your contention that forum moderators should not be allowed to express opinions even though they stay within the above parameters? That's rubbish. Now I'll go back to playing with my trains. Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42506	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 12/17/2006
Subject: It's not just trains...The problem is that we're too old!

One of my favorite lines is; "We're not in the Norman Rockwell world anymore!" (If you're too young to know who Norman Rockwell was, you won't understand the rest of this.) I think the problem with those of us on this list is that we're old enough to remember when the world worked right. When you bought a new car you drove it for years before you had to do anything but change the oil and buy tires from time to time. When you bought a household appliance like a refrigerator, washer, or dryer, it ran trouble free for 15 or 20 years. My mother owned two vacuum cleaners in forty years, but my wife has been through five in 30 years. In the old days it was made in America, and it was expensive, but it lasted for years. Today the product or parts of the product are made who knows where, it's still expensive, and sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. We are being conditioned to accept mediocrity in everything these days. Our problem is that we're old enough to know better! Stumpy Stone...I'm beginning to depress myself...geeser in Appalachia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42507	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 12/17/2006
Subject: Weathering

Roy, Per your request about info re weathering, there is a "Weathering" Group on Yahoo. You might want to join them - very little effort - and a fair amount of interesting information. Model Railroader has run a number of good articles in last three years re weathering, Bob Smaus' articles in particular. You might go to their website and see if any catch your interest such that you'd want to try their new download-for-pay feature. Regards. Paul S. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42508	From: LARRY MOORE	Date: 12/17/2006
Subject: Photo album

To the moderator of the photo album. I have just completed a custom Christmas Train I would like the group to see. I tried to follow the tutorial on setting up an account, but am confused. Can you contact me off-line and explain to me the proper procedure. Maybe if they look at something of a lighter note, it will take their minds off the Lionel issue. Merry Christmas!!! Thanks, Larry Moore _________________________________________________________________ WIN up to $10,000 in cash or prizes � enter the Microsoft Office Live Sweepstakes http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/aub0050001581mrt/direct/01/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42509	From: northline@comcast.net	Date: 12/17/2006
Subject: Seattle Wind Storm, off Topic

Just thought I would send a note as I have a working computer at work. We took a pretty good hit from the windstrom here Thursday (65 MPH). There is no power for a large area around my house. I am 15 miles from downtown Seattle and there were over a million people without power thursday. now on Sunday evening that number appears to be down to 200-300 thousand. a mile from my house there are roads still blocked with trees and trees leaning out 45 degrees held only by power lines. (I took pictures) It is scary to drive under. Except for a massive amount of tree branches in the yard we had no real damage except for the lack of power. I have a generator so can get the furnace to get some heat going. Gas hot water is sure nice too. I know Dick Karnes had a tree fall on his house Thursday but did not have too much damage from that. Hopefully the later storm did not make that worse. His area was reported as not having power yet either. I will update later. Eric Reis Kenmore, Wa. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42510	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 12/17/2006
Subject: Re;Traction action

Once again the value of S Trains Yahoo Group to us is proven. A few folks e-mailed me this afternoon with some suggestions on my Silver Bullet traction problem. This lead to figuring out the problem, which I was chasing the wrong way. It was not worn PullMore tires or not enough weight on drivers after all. The rear drivers were not running flat on the rail! This locomotive may have been suffering from this all along and that is why a fairly complete engine ended up in a junk box. (Although a cracked shell and flaked off chrome didn't help.) It is obvious that at some point in it's history it was roughly treated (understatement.) I think I can solve the problem with alittle careful mutilation. If not, it will be stripped of parts and the offending chassis will be trashed so it causes no more trouble for anyone! Thanks very much to those who e-mailed with info and suggestions. Stumpy Stone...the Mad Butcher of Martins Ferry...hopeing to save another one.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42511	From: Robert A Persing	Date: 12/17/2006
Subject: Re: Track gang set

I to have one ordered and the shop where it is ordered from does not have any info when they are comming. Bob Persing ----- Original Message ----- From: Gerald Dobbs To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 12:46 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Track gang set Has any one heard of a delivery date for the A.F. #594 track gang , that was to be delivered last April ???? Jerry HR77-11644 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42512	From: paflyrman	Date: 12/17/2006
Subject: Track Gang Delivery

Lionel web site says Feb '07. paflyrman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42513	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/17/2006
Subject: Fw: Your Island Trains Order

A very quick reply from the Train Shoppe. Shopping at the Train Shoppe. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: henry1 To: mlmarmer@... Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 8:41 PM Subject: Re: Your Island Trains Order Mike This item is still not in stock yet Apologies Thank you Henry -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 4:58 PM To: orders@... Subject: Re: Your Island Trains Order Hi, I was just checking to see if anything might be coming in on this item, the AF track gang. Any word from Lionel on what the situation is. Thank you, Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 4:04 PM Subject: Your Island Trains Order > Thank you for your order. > > Order Number:13265 > Placed : 02/15/2006 16:04:37 EST > > Ship To: Bill To: > Michael Marmer Michael Marmer > mlmarmer@... mlmarmer@... > 301-540-4145 301-540-4145 > > > 20461 Afternoon Lane 20461 Afternoon Lane > Germantown MD 20874-1073 Germantown MD 20874-1073 > US US > > Code Name Quantity > Price/Ea Total > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > L49808 Amer Flyer Animated Track Gang-Apr 06 1 > $71.00 $71.00 > February is just too short > sale!!!: ($3.55) > Shipping: MIN. SHIPPING CHARGE- 6.95- EXACT SHIPPING ON > SETS/TRACK/CLOSEOUTS-: $6.95 > Sales > Tax: $0.00 > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Total: $74.40 > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42514	From: Robert Graves	Date: 12/18/2006
Subject: All Flyonel engines & cars are on the Gibert Gallery

Unless I've missed something, all the American Flyer engines & cars made by Lionel are now listed on the Gilbert Gallery, and all but a few have pictures. http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/trains.html I hope you will visit the site and that you find it useful to you. If you find any errors or omissions, please email me and I will correct them. And if you can send me any of the missing pictures, or send a better one than what is there now, I would really appreciate it! The site has a list of pictures needed to complete the Gallery: http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/pictures_needed.html Thanks for your help. Bob __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42515	From: David Dewey	Date: 12/18/2006
Subject: Yep, we're too old & Track Gang non-delivery

I agree, we are too old, as we remember when companies delt directly with their customers, and answered questions. I still have some letters I wrote the ACG company about my 307 engine. They sent me a parts breakdown sheet, and price list, and I ordered the needed parts. The letter is in storage, so I don't know the exact amount, but I am fairly certain it was under $2! Of course, I still have that 307! (and it still runs too). Compared to today's world, the consumer is nearly ignored. I think of the cartoon where a black hooded guy is talking to a guy chained to the wall, "How would like me to torture you today--walk on a bed of nails, the rack, or make you talk to a technical support line?" As for the track gang, it is puzzling that something as low-tech as this accessory is taking so long to be delivered, but it is delayed yet again. At least it hasn't been canceled yet! (emphasis on "yet") S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42516	From: Bill Porter	Date: 12/18/2006
Subject: Re: All Flyonel engines & cars are on the Gilbert Gallery

Nice work, Bob! You have created an excellent reference. I especially like the organization - a video index. Merry Christmas and Happy Hanukah, Bill Reply from Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Robert Graves Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 10:58 AM To: s-trains list Subject: [S-Trains] All Flyonel engines & cars are on the Gibert Gallery Unless I've missed something, all the American Flyer engines & cars made by Lionel are now listed on the Gilbert Gallery, and all but a few have pictures. http://www.geocitie <http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/trains.html> s.com/theupstairstrain/trains.html I hope you will visit the site and that you find it useful to you. If you find any errors or omissions, please email me and I will correct them. And if you can send me any of the missing pictures, or send a better one than what is there now, I would really appreciate it! The site has a list of pictures needed to complete the Gallery: http://www.geocitie <http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/pictures_needed.html> s.com/theupstairstrain/pictures_needed.html Thanks for your help. Bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42517	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 12/18/2006
Subject: Yep, we're too old

In a message dated 12/18/2006 11:35:31 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, djdewey@... writes: Compared to today's world, the consumer is nearly ignored. WAWA, one of the biggger convenience store chains locally RAISED the price of ALL of their hot beverages "an average" of 10 cents, although most went up 11 cents (?). Noticed posted today, the day of the increase. I asked the Manager WHY consumers weren't notified last Friday, got the normal blank stare you expect in todays world. My reasoning is that the excess change I carry, I don't carry for long in my occupation, SO I take the exact change to WAWA every day, or I did until today. Gonna fire up the old coffee pot tomorrow. Obviously they have had the posters for at least a week. Guess they figure their average customer is too stupid to trust with excess information. Jim "brewing java on the Keystone Main" Lyle (A Note from this moderator..(Carl T.) This is a bit off of the S-trains topic but it is a response to a thread so I will let it pass. Let's please try to keep the topics more directly related to S Gauge questions etc. I apologize to Jim in advance... :-) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42518	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/18/2006
Subject: Re: Yep, we're too old

We were raised in an era when almost everything was repairable. If your train needed a part you just ordered it. Same with your car & anything in your house.Or you could make the part. Plus most knew how to replace these parts. I put the blame on the BIC Razor & pen. The start of the disposable era. Correct me if I'm wrong. Now that things are not only disposable, they are high tech. A lot of items are just not worth the time or $ for parts to repair them. And most are unable to repair them. But we should expect thing we buy to work right out of the box. My 22cents (Adjusted for cost of living) Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42519	From: Ernest Mendecke	Date: 12/18/2006
Subject: Cars and trains?

Hello group, I do not post very often with my thoughts. This is meant as an atempt at humor... Phil K typed "By the way, my wife's Volvo made three trips back to the dealer ..." Funny Volvos usually average only 12 returns a year...you should have bought a Buick!!! Stumpy typed "When you bought a new car you drove it for years before you had to do anything but change the oil and buy tires from time to time..." Back in the sixties my widowed mother bought a brand spanking new Ford. She was sooo excited... until she had it for a week. That old junk went back to the dealer 38 times the first year alone - 17 of those times on the back end of a wrecker!!! An engine here, a transmisson there, and I kid you not... a Rotted sandwich had to be removed from the gas tank! Two years later while still in my mid teens I bought her a used Plymouth...the complaints did not stop...she hated to put premium fuel in it..that cost her an extra nickel a gallon! I believe it was the Sns folks out west who really trashed the new Northerns with the finishing line "We are proud of our work". You should be! You have a polished reputation that only comes with dedication, honesty and hard work. Your respected opinion matters to this group. However... At the recent S Fest near Chicago I saw several 336"s going for huge prices. $575.00 or so. 332"s for not much less with no warrantee. A brand new Flyonel for between $400 to $450 with a brushless can motor, new paint, new castings, etc. can be very tempting. I bought one of each. Now while I'm not as happy with them as I am with my new Buick (only oil changes and car washes so far - knock on wood) they sure do run a lot better than that old Ford!!! Ernie Mennecke Wheaton IL [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42520	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 12/18/2006
Subject: Re: 314 AW whistle in tender

A motor driver whistle needs enough power to get up to speed. A whistle in tender runs on track power, those from Lionel are all motor noise at low speed. The billboard gets the proper power to run correctly, hard to do in a tender. jfred David <tobeetwo@...> wrote: Hi everyone, I need coaching on the 314 AW whistle. I finally can get the armature to turn using the whistle controller but I am hardly hearing a whistle sound. More like a low whirring. Is there any merit in opening the metal whistle enclosure that houses the blower? I'm sure this can make more of a whistle sound than it does presently. Anyone well versed on this repair??? If all else fails, it's back to the whistling billboard. Thanks. Bye the way, I don't see any difference betwwen the 314 engine and a 312. They seem identical..... David Chicgo __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42521	From: acgilbertflyer	Date: 12/18/2006
Subject: Alton Limited set

Well, I got my Alton Limited set via UPS today. I am really looking forward to getting the time to unpack it and check it out on the track. 'tis definately Christmas at my house. Not only did I find this I also found a really good deal on a Southern Mikado. Now I am too broke to buy the AM NYC Budd cars, and the E8. Maybe next month...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42522	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 12/18/2006
Subject: interesting event

Guys, Just for everyone's information under the heading of "Huh, How About That?". My First Son , who is now 26, was about one year old when he got his first train (an Atlantic and a few cars). It was the promise of a pair of track switches that got him to give up diapers. He even learned to buy some rolling stock at trains shows. (There's nothing like a little kid to bring down a price). He and his younger brothers also saw a train under the Christmas tree every year also. However, video games and other interests sort of put trains out of the picture. Where is this going? When he was home with his very lovely wife over Thanksgiving, he asked for his old Flyer trains to bring back to Pittsburgh to put under their tree. Now, how about that? Just a rhetorical question.... Jerry Poniatowski With fewer trains in Wayne, Michigan....but smiling about it....

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42523	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 12/18/2006
Subject: Re;Cars and trains?

Ernest and y'all.....We used to call cars like that "lemons!" I worked at a Pontiac/Buick/GMC Truck dealership in 1969 & 70, and that Ford was atypical (fortunately)of most new cars back then. I remember we used to send out invitations for car owners to come in for oil changes and service, even free car washes just to see them again! That's not to say there were no problems. Our shop forman jumped in a new Buick just unloaded from the truck, stomped the gas, and fell into the back seat! No one at GM had bothered to put any nuts on the seat bolts. A lady complained about a "lump in the roof" which turned out to be a Playboy magazine in the headliner! A "rattle in the rearend" turned out to be a Coke bottle on a string in a back door. Everything was fixed under GM warranty by the dealer. Remember when Lionel moved to Mexico and the quality was so bad that they lost a year's production? At G&M Train & Hobby we found that the couplers on the steam engine tenders were on the wrong end and every set had a backward tender. We fixed them. How about when Bachmann first tried having trains manufactured in China and the wheelsets on every HO car was so out of round they derailed? Bachmann ate them all. In all of the above cases, the customer was taken care of right away and without question. Parts were availible and warranty didn't take five months or more. But as I said before, we don't live in that world anymore, so you do what you can and keep rolling. Stumpy Stone...now I feel even older than I did five minutes ago!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42524	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/18/2006
Subject: Orange Pipes

Now, that I think I have my answer to the question about the 21105 engines, I have another AF question. Orange Cardboard Pipes. On the two flat cars that have the 3 Orange Pipes, I believe NH's, one has a number and the other does not, the cars, with the Orange cardboard pipes have a premium prices vs. the silver pipes,which I could understand, as the silver pipes are more common. My question then, is, why does not, the IC Multi purpose flat have a premium price for the ones that have four orange pipes vs. the silver pipes, as they are all cardboard too. Any thoughts? Thanks, Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42525	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/18/2006
Subject: Re: Yep, we're too old & Track Gang non-delivery

This is not train related, as the product could be used with trains, as they showed trains in the planning book. David writes how he wrote directly to AF about a problem. And they took care of it. I, as a kid, in the 60's was into those Kenner Bridge and Turnpike sets, as I had most of them. I think David had mentioned once, he had some of those too, as I know many of you did too. When I got set number 8, which was the first of the two motorized sets, the plastic signs where missing and I loved road signs, as my family would travel on the interstates and US roads, when a interstate was not there yet. I was devestated. I wrote to Kenner a letter that I got the set, number 8 and the road signs where missing. I think I did mention that I loved the signs in these sets. Well, I did get a answer and not only did they send me a sheet of plastic road signs, but they sent me TWO sheets, I was in heaven, a extra straight roadway, a extra string of lights, that came with the set and a few other things. I think I was 11 at the time in 1966 and I was so impressed that they took care of a problem that a kid had with there product. That like David had made a lasting impact with me in life and trying to treat people fairly, even before any problems might occur. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42526	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/18/2006
Subject: Pearls

http://www.comics.com/comics/pearls/ Pearls is a favorite comic in the Washington Post, as in the comic, there is a mention of a train as a gift. Not like the train humor in "For Better or Worse", but a bit stranger. For those who are not familiar with this comic, a person in law school while sitting in a boring law class, would draw animals. Today, he is a lawyer, but now draws this comic strip, as it has a weird sense of humor, as the two main characters are "Pig" and "Rat", as Rat usually the wiseguy who puns fall to Pig. In this comic, today, the Croc is again, trying to lure, the Zebra over the hedge, so that he can eat him. Never works. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42527	From: frank emiro	Date: 12/19/2006
Subject: The NEW AF Northerns

I just received an email back from Lionel Tech Support and they asked me to contact them after the holidays. They also stated they are working on a fix for the problems with the squeak in the smoke unit. So, everyone have a Merry Christmas and Great Holiday Season. Also."Play with TRAINS, being an adult is over rated". Lets always remember our Armed Forces that let us enjoy our freedom. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42528	From: Dan Greenberg	Date: 12/19/2006
Subject: Old, tired subjects

I've been on this list for a little while and I've noticed that certain themes come up repeatedly, thereby clogging my in-box. Here's my little list and my thoughts. Before I start, please accept my wishes for Happy Holidays. 1) "We're old and things were better in the good ol' days." Well, time marches on folks. And if you'll really be objective, you'll find that a lot of things were not so good in the good ol' days. For instance, could you get all of the modeling supplies you wanted (paint, styrofoam, etc.) at a reasonable price... or did you use highly realistic Plasticville? Oh, and does your Baldwin still have its original motor? Your steamer its reverse unit? I agree that a hobby that encourages kids to understand how things work... how to fix things... is great, but there are alternatives if that's the goal. Let's live in the present. And PS, not all of us are old. 2) "Companies are not responsive to customers." Absolutely true, but you get what you pay for. In a competitive world, service costs money. If good service meant more business, then there would be better service. But, alas, while the complainers on this list may vote one way with their wallets, the vast majority of people vote for instant gratification at the lowest price. That's the ugly reality. If you want better service, then set up a company or PAY someone to do so. Companies go where the market is... and the market is YOU and a lot of other people. Don't fault companies for doing what they are incented to do. If you want it for free, like the good ol' days, then convince a few hundred thousand people to vote with you. 3) "These kids today -- all they want are video games." First, a disclosure: I sell the microprocessors that are used in all of the current generation of game consoles. This is MY business and it pays for MY trains. And video games... and video game technology... have some value. It's DIFFERENT value from the mechanical engineering of trains, but it's value. In a few years, you'll have a 3D CT or MRI scan and you'll have video games to thank for it. In a few years, you'll drive a car that's safer because it was crash tested extensively... inside a computer... and you'll have video games to thank. And kids playing on... and later programming... game consoles are qualifying themselves for jobs. Last time I looked, there are a whole lot fewer firemen out there shoveling coal into locomotives! 4) "eBay stinks and things are not priced 'right' there." OK -- so don't use eBay. And the "right" price is in the eye of the beholder. That's true for all things except bullion. If some fool wants to pay "too much" for something, let him. If someone outbids you, walk away knowing you did not pay "too much". If some widow wants to sell her assets at the best price, good for her! And if you're Steve Wynn and you poke a hole in a $135M Picasso, that's your business. 5) "The foreigners are taking our jobs and not producing quality." See 2. A long time ago, my grandfather -- a staunch member of his union -- made this comment and I asked him if he'd pay $200 for a "Made in America" TV instead of $100 for a "Made in Japan". How do you think he answered? Well, it does not matter, because MILLIONS of Americans answered the latter. 5a) And, by the way, look at it from the Chinese point of view. Can you fault them for working hard to create a better life? I've been to the Mainland a few times. One thing you learn if you go there is that the Chinese have a very different concept of "a long time" than Americans do. Chinese society dates back 4000 years. The 300 years ago when our colonist forebearers were infecting Native Americans with smallpox is an eyeblink... the 40 years ago when there were race riots in our streets, less than an eyeblink. Realize that the Chinese view themselves the tortoise to our hare. How dare we be annoyed with them for beating us at the game we invented? 6) "The electronics are ruining the hobby." OK -- so turn them off... or don't pay for them in the first place. I run all AF, lousy reverse units and crummy motors and all. And, when he's old enough, I hope my son will work with me to wire real railroad signaling... through a computer.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42529	From: martyl11	Date: 12/19/2006
Subject: Nicki Duffy

Just leting the members of the group who knew her that Nicki passed away this afternoon after being in a car accident this weekend.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42530	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/19/2006
Subject: Operating Box Car

I guess I am so full of questions this week. O:)! Is there a good way, of freeing up the door and the man inside of the operating box car. I have one, that I have own since 1958, and not running trains since the 1960's, I put a circle of track around the tree and I am running the original set, I got in 1958, the 20740, plus the bonus car, my Dad purchased with it, a 957. I put some light oil, lightly, on the door guides and where the man slides. I know that might not be the best way of doing it, but it is working much better. I did not want to attempt to take the body of the frame, as knowing me, I will break something. However, the original 1958 vintage lightbulb inside, of course, no longer worked and I did figure how to get that out, as I will go to radio shack tomorrow for a 1447 bulb. Hey, I can put this vintage 1958 no longer working bulb on ebay!!!!! I see big bucks for this non functioning bulb. LOL Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42531	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 12/19/2006
Subject: Re;Nicki Duffy

Sorry to hear this. Her handicap was never really a handicap to those of us who enjoyed talking with her on CHAT. She'll be missed. Rest well Nicki. Stumpy Stone

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42532	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 12/19/2006
Subject: Re; Nicki Duffy

Vaya Con Dios , Nicki. We will miss you. Steve [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42533	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 12/19/2006
Subject: RE S scale Stuart light tank on SHS flatcars

We have found a source for S scale (M3) Stuart light tanks and are offering these on our GSC flatcars. Production started in 1941 before the USA entered the war and thousands were built. They saw action in both the European and Pacific theatre. They were not very big weighing under 15 tons and had a crew of 4. We are placing two on a flat car and offering these on the SL-SF and SP flatcars. A small number of these are ready now and we expect more in three weeks. Bill posted an image of our website of the Stuart tank flatcar train going up the grade on the 5’X9’ display layout. http://showcaseline.com These can be ordered now at: http://showcaseline.com/Flatcars/Loads/fcwithloads_in_stock.html A scale drawing of the Sturart light tank can be found at: http://www.onwar.com/tanks/usa/profiles/pltm3.htm

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42534	From: boblines51	Date: 12/19/2006
Subject: Nicki

Sorry to here about Nicki,but she is with a lot of train people and the Big Guy. Bob

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42535	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 12/20/2006
Subject: Gallery / Photo Album - Broken Thumbnails

if after uploading your images you see broken links, try this... 1) Log into your album 2) Click on 'Edit Album' found on the left menu. 3) Click on the middle tab, 'Album'. 4) About 2/3rds down the page, select the check box, 'Recreate thumbnails', then Save logout and you should now have a complete set of thumbnails Let me know if you still have broken links If you see broken link in other peoples albums, send them a note, or send a note to the list. Here is a link to a very nice set of albums... http://s-scale.org/albums/v/friends/rlgriggs/ Paul Yorke [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42536	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 12/20/2006
Subject: AF model number question

Hi Folks, I have a question. An "S-Curves" reader asked if there any significance to the letter "A" after the model number of an old set that he had. The set number is 4611-A. Roy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42537	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 12/20/2006
Subject: "Rocket", "Comet" and the "Chief"

Question, why did ACG go with these names on their PA-1's and not the prototype as Lionel did with theirs? Always Learning! Jerry Matsick Jax S Gauge

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42538	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 12/20/2006
Subject: Re: AF model number question

Dear Roy, Not sure about sets, but with the parts, the alpha after the part number is the size of paper for the part drawing. I was told this by Maury Romer. Best, Don Roy Hoffman wrote: > Hi Folks, > > I have a question. An "S-Curves" reader asked if there any > significance to the letter "A" after the model number of an old set > that he had. The set number is 4611-A. > > Roy > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42539	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 12/20/2006
Subject: Re: Nicki Duffy

Although we only knew Nicki for a short while she was an enthusiastic S Gauger and will be missed. Such a tragic loss. Carl

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42540	From: cindy novak	Date: 12/20/2006
Subject: RE S scale Stuart light tank on SHS flatcars

Don, You made my year with this wonderful item! I already ordered mine and hope it will arrive in time for X-Mas. Happy Holidays! Cindy De Laurell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42541	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 12/20/2006
Subject: Re: "Rocket", "Comet" and the "Chief"

Dear Jerry, I had asked a similar question to Maury Romer at York a few years (decade?) back regarding the change in 1947 from prototype to AFL on the steam engine tenders and caboose. These were decision where those who liked prototype trains and realism vs. the marketing people. They were not selling Reading or Pennsy trains, but American Flyer trains. The same discussion with the Gilbert Chemical car vs. the prototype Celanese Chemical tank car that only pre-production samples were made correctly. Again, they were selling Gilbert Chemistry sets and not Celanese. I don't think the original Lionel co. was that much into the prototype, but came around in the last few decades under Dick Kuhn's ownership (he told me that he had built HO kits as a kid). I had always hoped that someone at Lionel would make the decision to replace the PA flat roof with the correct contour radius roof. I bet that would be less than a $10,000 tool modification charge. Also, to start using the correct lettering on some of the re-introduced ACG PA paint schemes. I can see the Union Pacific PA now with the thin black outline on the red letters and the dark green anti-glare paint on the top of the nose. Don Jerry Matsick wrote: > Question, why did ACG go with these names on their PA-1's and not > the prototype as Lionel did with theirs? > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42542	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 12/20/2006
Subject: Links vs Knuckle and Lionel

I remember when ACG Flyer eventually got Knuckle couplers, my memory fades, was there a patent right held by Lionel that forbade ACG in producing a Knuckle type coupler? Jerry Matsick Jax S Ville

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42543	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 12/20/2006
Subject: S-Scale.org Photo Albums - Down for upgrades

Please avoid visiting the photo albums > > I am upgrading and it could get ugly. > > Thanks > > Paul > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42544	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 12/20/2006
Subject: Re: American Models and Lionel Northerns something is missing!

As a owner of both of the above and of the original AF Northern, one thing that is missing is 'White Sidewall Tires'! Just wondering what others thoughts are on this great engine by all three companies. The "new" models just look bla! Jerry Matsick Jax S Ville

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42545	From: Phil K	Date: 12/20/2006
Subject: Re: American Models and Lionel Northerns something is missing!

> As a owner of both of the above and of the original AF Northern, one > thing that is missing is 'White Sidewall Tires'! Just wondering > what others thoughts are on this great engine by all three companies. > The "new" models just look bla! > > Jerry Matsick > Jax S Ville > Jerry, I certainly can see your point. But every time Milwaukee Road 261 (a big Northern) comes through Northern Illinois, it still looks terrific with its black drivers. But you are right -- white drivers seemed to be a "patent" look with A.C. Gilbert steamers, and so any S locomotives without them look ..... er, strange. Most railroads painted the tires white to spruce up passenger engines, while the freight engines were left to get dirty because esthetics weren't an issue. As an aside, another famous Northern, N&W J-Class 611 and her sisters all had black drivers, too. Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42546	From: Russ Dondero	Date: 12/20/2006
Subject: Northerns

I asked for help about a month ago regarding my new UP 809 Flyonel Northern, the grey version with the elephant ears. The sticking problem turned out mostly to be some bad track and switches not the engine after the initial fix of a loose wire in the tender which was corrected by the dealer in Seattle where I bought it. I too have both the Flyonel and American Models Northerns. Both are great engines. The AM is less sensitive to 'track' issues but the sound system in the 809 is great and it's a beautiful paint job. I'm using it right now running my 4 AM Budd cars on the layout. I also got rid of the squeak until it stops by following the suggestions I read from the S group. Thanks. So happy trains to all. Russ in Oregon __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42547	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/20/2006
Subject: Re: Nicki Duffy

Oh my. I'm so very sorry to hear about Nicki. She would pop into chat every so often. Sad news. She will be missed. Rick. S- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42548	From: David Engle	Date: 12/20/2006
Subject: Re: Nicki Duffy

How about a story and maybe even photo of her for NASG Dispatch or one of the other mags? ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick Evans To: STrains Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2006 1:53 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Nicki Duffy Oh my. I'm so very sorry to hear about Nicki. She would pop into chat every so often. Sad news. She will be missed. Rick. S- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42549	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/20/2006
Subject: Re: 336

Did the 336 come with the larger motor only? Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42550	From: plasticvilleking	Date: 12/20/2006
Subject: Nicki

I was able to meet her, she was a great lady! She and her friends came to my aid when I had a flood in my basement back in June of this year. I too will miss her! Hank

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42551	From: Al Paolozzi	Date: 12/20/2006
Subject: Re: 336

I've seen it with both large and small. Greenberg's says large and small. Al Paolozzi ----- Original Message ----- From: anormal1@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2006 2:32 PM Subject: [S-Trains] RE: 336 Did the 336 come with the larger motor only? Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42552	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 12/20/2006
Subject: Photo Album Updates - S-Scale.org

I updated the software behind all my photo galleries. It took most of the day. If you see any strange behavior please let me know. If you are familiar with RSS you might want to try out that new feature. The site is now open and ready for visitors. http://s-scale.org/albums/main.php Special Thanks to the admins that keep that site going. Also thanks to the folks that keep this list going. I no longer have time to do it myself. Paul Yorke [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42553	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/20/2006
Subject: Re: 336

Thank you Al, Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42554	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/20/2006
Subject: Possible Billboard?

http://www.krispykreme.com/ I have a link to the Krispy Kreme donut company here, and you might ask how is that train related? Well, isn't the donut by another company the official donut of TCA York meets? Actually, I am sending this link to the train list, as my wife, the Dietician, just brought home from work, a coupon good for a dozen donuts and this neat, blinking Krispy Kreme Hot Donut Now Christmas tree ornament. It is really cool, blinking on and off, like you took acid or something. JUST KIDDING! Hey, I just saw the Bobby movie and there was a bit about that. Anyway, I got an idea, that maybe, this might work for a Billboard sign on a future layout. So, I thought I would give anyone the heads up on this, as they are available at company stores for a $1. Don't drool too much over the pictures. Better than a center fold in Classic Toy Train magazine. I bet you thought I was thinking of some other magazine! S Gaugian! Sorry, no extra coupons, gotta splurge once in awhile! Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42555	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 12/20/2006
Subject: Re;American Models and Lionel Northerns, something missing.

You're right about the American Flyer Northerns' "whitewall tires" being a staple in S gauge. As far as the black Flyonel Northern, I certainly agree it needs whitewalls. However, I'm not so sure about the grey Flyonel engine or the American Models engine. Non-whitewall drivers on those two are acceptable to me. Historically, the practise of painting driver tires (white, light grey, silver) had all but died out by the time the 4-8-4 type became widespread on American railroads. This practise originally was more than a decorative move, it was done to make it easier to find cracks in the driver tires back when metalurgy wasn't so advanced. While I'll always love those hulking black steam locomotives, I think they look nice dressed up with some color. My non-whitewalled S gauge locos get their driver tires and sometimes lead and trailing truck wheel rims painted too. Stumpy Stone...steamer lover in Appalachia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42556	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/20/2006
Subject: Fw: Question for item #330063599570 - AF American Flyer # 21149 4-6

Question for item #330063599570 - AF American Flyer # 21149 4-6-4 Hudson Steam EngineThought I would forward this email to the groups, as you never know what is there out there in people's attic. He is selling his childhood AF and has this 21129 on eBay right now. He wrote some things about the engine, as he did not know if the wire to the tender was original. I wrote him it was not, just to write to him and let people know about the steps, as he is not a collector. I am lucky to have two 21129's and I thought I would write to assure him that he had a very rare item and that it could go for 1800 He was shocked, as below, he writes about the history of this piece and some other interesting things about it and the bid. Keep looking. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: Gary Lucas To: 'Michael and Linda Marmer' Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 10:19 PM Subject: RE: Question for item #330063599570 - AF American Flyer # 21149 4-6-4 Hudson Steam Engine Mike, Like I mentioned before I'm not a collector but boy can I appreciate your collection WOW !! Very very impressive. I couldn't imagine what you have into this collection or what it might be worth, or how long it would take to put something like this together, they all look brand new, I'm speechless..WOW !!..... I really don't have any knowledge on these as I started this auction for $12.99, and the 24519 at $12.99 with no reserve on either. I'm not really a seller I'm just decided a moth or so ago to sell all that I had. I had some of these cars from when I was a kid that we used to put up every year around the Christmas tree and I always looked forward to that. The when I had kids we did the same for a few years, then they weren't into it so much (two girls) and my wife didn't like it being up, so these have all been in a box in the basement for the past 3 or 4 years and I just decided I'll sell it all and let someone else enjoy them. A guy asked me about 3 hours into the auction if I would take $350 for the engine. Glad I was a gambling man, I told him no but it was tempting. Thank you so much for sharing your knowledge about AF, and your collection with me, it is very impressive. I'm sure down the road I'll probably regret getting rid of some these items, but I hope it won't hurt too badly. What I have posted is pretty much all I have left. Thanks again for your years of wisdom on this engine. Take care Gary -----Original Message----- From: Michael and Linda Marmer [mailto:mlmarmer@...] Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 9:36 PM To: larzy1_007@... Subject: Re: Question for item #330063599570 - AF American Flyer # 21149 4-6-4 Hudson Steam Engine Hi Gary, Thanks for writing back, as I did not know you where a seller of AF, as I did not check some of the feedback to see what on EBay you sold. I did not know what knowledge you had about AF, as it seems you do. O:)! That is great that you were given this engine and the 5 digit Western Electric. There is a guide book I use, by TM Books, that list this engine in E at 1800. Seeing that there are a few minor flaws, the wire, not a big deal, and some chips, I think it could, as the steps are all there. I just purchased at York in April a simalar shape 21129, as it has the right wire, as a upgrade to the one I have already, as it was going for 1550 and he gave it to me for 1400. I think you are at 800 now? I can not remember if you have a reserve and you have 3 days plus left on the auction. I have seen some crazy prices way above the TM book and some way below. I would think, this item, being so rare on ebay, you should do well. The reason I asked about the steps, as AF had later the Hudson as a 21130, as that was in 3 sets from 1959 to 1964. I have completed all three sets, as yes, I have all three of those engines in LN condition. Two with one step missing and one with all steps. Oh, my original 21129 has two steps missing, as the one I got in April has all. Anyway, there was a TCA member, as I am not sure if know what that is, as it is a nationwide train club, as Neil Young is a member and the Eastern Division has two huge meets in York PA in April and October. 15,000 come. Anyway, he had a 21130 for bid, and he wrote in his description, item was E+, as grading per TCA, nothing broken, nothing missing, all steps present. And he said he was a TCA member. To me, that meant all where not re-glued. I won this engine for $646, as they list in TM in E at 650. I got the engine and all the steps were clearly re-glued, as even my wife saw that, as she is into the trains and knows about those steps. This engine was now worth to me, only 300, as that is not what I wanted, as I want collector grade. Oh, plus the light, he put tape on the wire to the bulb! After going back and forth with him, he agreed to take the engine back, as it cost me $30 in shipping already, to and form, and he charged me a 8% ebay fee! Which was wrong, but I was at his mercy, and I figure, losing 50 was better that 646 plus 15 shipping. Oh, he overcharge me shipping down, as he wanted 25, as I had no idea. It cost me 15 to ship, insured. So I did get 10 back, but still down 50. Oh, he blamed me for everything, sending me a note, next time ask, if the steps are re-glued!!! Real sad. I am a collector, as I got back into AF in 1991, as I am 51. It is funny, that right now I am working on some sets from 1958 and some of the common pieces are just as hard to find as some of the rare. IE, I see tons of the rarer 100 to 200 cabooses, but a certain 10 dollar caboose, I have been searching for over a year. Oh my original 21129. It was gone from me, for 10 years. In 1974, I took it to the biggest train shop in the DC area for repair. 3 weeks later, they were out of business, as I was a college student at the time. I had no idea that this was rare, just wanted it fix. Well, I was not a happy camper. I checked around with other train shops if they knew anything and one gave me a home number. I got ahold of the owner and he said he was going to fix it. And call me? Right. Well, I would call every so often, not done. I graduate college, not done. I get married in 1982, not done Finally, in 1984, I was going to tell, look, if it is not done, I want it back. It was done! 6 dollar repair and I still have the claim check and receipt! I am pulling for you on this auction, as it helps me later in life, when it is time to sell mine. Just kidding. I gave you a few pictures of my collection. Best on the auction. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Gary Lucas To: mlmarmer@... Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 7:13 PM Subject: RE: Question for item #330063599570 - AF American Flyer # 21149 4-6-4 Hudson Steam Engine Mike thanks for the info. The other Engine I've had since I was a kid but believe it or not someone gave this to me along with many other AF items (Western Electric 24519) a few years ago. Needless to say that was a very good day. None of the steps are broke off at all, and none have been glued back on. And are you saying this is an $1800 Engine? Where would I be able to get that type of money for this unit? Thanks Gary -----Original Message----- From: eBay Member: acadia100 [mailto:member@...] Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 7:04 PM To: larzy1_007@... Subject: Question for item #330063599570 - AF American Flyer # 21149 4-6-4 Hudson Steam Engine eBay sent this message to Gary Lucas (larzy1). Your registered name is included to show this message originated from eBay. Learn more. Question about Item -- Respond Now eBay sent this message on behalf of an eBay member through My Messages. Responses sent using email will go to the eBay member directly and will include your email address. Question from acadia100 acadia100( 35) Positive feedback: 100% Member since: Jan-09-02 Location: MD, United States Registered on: www.ebay.com Item: AF American Flyer # 21149 4-6-4 Hudson Steam Engine (330063599570) This message was sent while the listing was active acadia100 is a potential buyer. Hi. You have a very nice 22129 Hudson, made only in 1958. I just wanted to let you know, since there was a question about it, that the wires are not original, as that is a minor issue, which should not take away from the bidding process. The original wires where thinner, seperate coming into the male plug, one green and one black. Overall, you have a fine unit. Check to make sure the steps on the Tender are not re-glued, as they did break easy. Each broken step, re-glue hurts the value, $100 each step. If I did not have two of these already, I would bid, as one of them was from a first AF set at age 3 in 1958. Just thought I would share some friendly information about your fine engine. Best to you on the bid, as this is valued at 1800 in E. Mike Marmer Respond to this question Responses in My Messages will not include your email address. Thank you, eBay Details for item number: 330063599570 Item title: AF American Flyer # 21149 4-6-4 Hudson Steam Engine Item URL: http://cgi.ebaycom/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330063599570&sspagename=ADME:B:AAQ:US:1 End date: Friday, Dec 22, 2006 17:21:12 PST Marketplace Safety Tip Always remember to complete your transactions on eBay - it's the safer way to trade. 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Group: S-Trains	Message: 42557	From: cindynovak2003	Date: 12/20/2006
Subject: best way to move a layout

looks like we're getting ready to move back to CA. when we moved out here to the east coast, our 'portable' layout didn't fare too well. we've made a lot of improvements in the last 2 1/2 years and want to make sure it does better this time around. Does anyone have any suggestions on how we might pre-pack the layout before the movers get their hands on it? thanks! Cindy & Paul De Laurell

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42558	From: Eric	Date: 12/20/2006
Subject: New member

Hi all!! I just joined your group and am very new to model railroading. A few years ago my dad gave me his American Flyer trains that he bought back in 1960. I've had them out a few times over the years but this Christmas I took the plunge, had the engine fixed and set up a display under my Christmas tree. You should have seen the happiness on my dad's face. Anyway in an effort to not put them back in the box I joined this group, am heading off to buy a new transformer tomorrow and am hoping to come up with the first few steps I need to take to get started on this. I have 4 year old triplets that are enjoying this as much as we are so we are hoping to keep it as a family project. Any help, advice or information you can lead me to would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Joelle and Eric

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42559	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/21/2006
Subject: Ebay shipping box

Yesterday, I got in the mail, a eBay item I won, as it was a cheap AF caboose that I needed. What was neat about the delivery from the mailman, is that the seller used a US Post Office EBay box, where they have the word EBay plastered all over the box. Any item that is shipped not insured will be left at your door,exposing the word eBay to all who see it, making it more attempting for someone to steal this box, as again, it was just a 10 dollar caboose. But I know there are some out there, for some reason do not buy insurance, as many expensive items are shipped out, whether trains or something else But here is what the seller did that I thought was great, as maybe someone else here, who uses eBay boxes might think about, even if the item is insured. She cut the box, so she could turn it inside out, to be just a plain cardboard box. I thought that was great. I hope others do the same. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42560	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 12/21/2006
Subject: Re;New member

Welcome aboard Eric! You'll find this group VERY helpful. Reading and asking questions always pays knowledge dividends. I'd suggest you start by building a small, simple, "portable" layout. A 4x6' sheet of 1/2" plywood is about as small as you can realistically go in S gauge, but still be easy to move without being too heavy or awkward. You can put it on a table or a couple sawhorses to run it, then lean it against a wall or put it in a closet or under a bed when not in use. Use small screws(not nails)to mount your American Flyer track to the wood. This way you can change the track plan, add roadbed, or install accessories as you advance. The board can be painted green with roads painted on in grey, buildings and scenery can be added and you can bring you miniature world to life. Resist the urge to try to start with a basement filling empire! I work part time in a hobby shop and have seen beginners burn themselves out by attempting too much right away. Model railroading is a journey, not a destination. Remember to have fun. Stumpy Stone...playing with trains for fifty years...Martins Ferry, OH.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42561	From: clifma19@cox.net	Date: 12/21/2006
Subject: repair

I have a PA 360 that one motor has the gear drive on one end of the armature that has come loose. I am unsure if these worm gears are pressed on or if they are soldered on. It looks that they are soldered atleast on the end of the shaft. Can anyone give me guidance? Thanks, Clifford Manning clifma19@... Topeka, KS

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42562	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/21/2006
Subject: Hudson Ebay

Just in case, anyone is searching for that 21129 Hudson by using the 21129 number, you need to use 21149. He keyed in the wrong number for the header. But it is a 21129. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42563	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 12/21/2006
Subject: NICKI

GUYS......I just got in from a to Epcot..... What happened to Nicki?..... can't find anything on the list about her...... Can you fill me in..... Can we send something as a group?... She seemed like a wonderful person on the Chats..... She will be missed a lot.. You know Barb drove up here 3 years ago , almost 7 hours one way, when I lost my wife. to represent all of you.... I was really upset last night..... Btw.... I am worried about Barb too..... Bob Conner PS when I first saw the notes it really upset me..... My wifes nickname was NICKIE [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42564	From: Gerry Evans dba Best of Show Model Build	Date: 12/21/2006
Subject: Misfit Boys

The link below will lead you to a story that appeared in the St. Louis "Post-Dispatch." The link was sent to me by one of the guys in the S club in STL. During a recent visit back to STL I stopped by the store that is the subject of the article. While the store is probably 95% three-rail "toys" some of the information concerning a hopeful renewed interest by "little people" in electric trains is worth reviewing. I did actually see some AM and SHS boxes on the shelves, not many, but some. Enjoy! http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/stlouiscitycounty/story/B5E7BEE535124E0A862572490015002A?OpenDocument Gerry Evans In Flagstaff [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42565	From: rodgercunningham	Date: 12/21/2006
Subject: Nicki

Sorry to hear about Nicki, I just saw her and her daughter last Saturday. We met at Micky D's for our Saturday breakfast, her accident must have happen right after that. I'll been unable to talk to her family, so I don't know all the details. Her was a sweet person who came to a lot of peoples aid. In fact she came to my aid back in November. A freak storm hit my house, and she asked if she could store stuff for me. I know that I will miss her, mear words can't express what I'm feeling right now.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42566	From: George Cohn	Date: 12/21/2006
Subject: Re: Ebay shipping box

Michael and Linda Marmer wrote: > > What was neat about the delivery from the mailman, is that the seller used a US Post Office EBay box, where they have the word EBay plastered all over the box. > > Any item that is shipped not insured will be left at your door,exposing the word eBay to all who see it, making it more attempting for someone to steal this box I have an address at the UPS store, just up the street for this very reason. They receive shipments from UPS, Fed-Ex, USPS, and DHL as well, so no matter how the seller ships it, you will get it. They sign for any shipments requiring them. Not cheap at about $10 a month but very handy. George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42567	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 12/21/2006
Subject: Re: Ebay shipping box

MIKE...... Careful..... the PO frowns on reusing NEW boxes in the manner of filpping them inside out...... They claim the boxes, supplied free, are missused and cheaper postage is placed on them..... If they check and find the are a new box and redone to save postage...... They said they would prosacute...... Old used boxes might make it as recycled stuff If all the labels, etc are inside.... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael and Linda Marmer To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com ; Toy Trains ; Ralph Loveless Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 9:25 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Ebay shipping box Yesterday, I got in the mail, a eBay item I won, as it was a cheap AF caboose that I needed. What was neat about the delivery from the mailman, is that the seller used a US Post Office EBay box, where they have the word EBay plastered all over the box. Any item that is shipped not insured will be left at your door,exposing the word eBay to all who see it, making it more attempting for someone to steal this box, as again, it was just a 10 dollar caboose. But I know there are some out there, for some reason do not buy insurance, as many expensive items are shipped out, whether trains or something else But here is what the seller did that I thought was great, as maybe someone else here, who uses eBay boxes might think about, even if the item is insured. She cut the box, so she could turn it inside out, to be just a plain cardboard box. I thought that was great. I hope others do the same. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42568	From: northline@comcast.net	Date: 12/21/2006
Subject: Re: Ebay shipping box

Mike and Bob: I got a box the other day that USPS had laser printed across the inside with "Priority Mail" too. Looks like their plan to go after the theft problem. Eric Reis Power back after 5 days, but no internet yet. Kenmore, Wa. -------------- Original message -------------- From: "ROBERT ALLEN CONNER" <rcon7@...> MIKE...... Careful..... the PO frowns on reusing NEW boxes in the manner of filpping them inside out...... They claim the boxes, supplied free, are missused and cheaper postage is placed on them..... If they check and find the are a new box and redone to save postage...... They said they would prosacute...... Old used boxes might make it as recycled stuff If all the labels, etc are inside.... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael and Linda Marmer To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com ; Toy Trains ; Ralph Loveless Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 9:25 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Ebay shipping box Yesterday, I got in the mail, a eBay item I won, as it was a cheap AF caboose that I needed. What was neat about the delivery from the mailman, is that the seller used a US Post Office EBay box, where they have the word EBay plastered all over the box. Any item that is shipped not insured will be left at your door,exposing the word eBay to all who see it, making it more attempting for someone to steal this box, as again, it was just a 10 dollar caboose. But I know there are some out there, for some reason do not buy insurance, as many expensive items are shipped out, whether trains or something else But here is what the seller did that I thought was great, as maybe someone else here, who uses eBay boxes might think about, even if the item is insured. She cut the box, so she could turn it inside out, to be just a plain cardboard box. I thought that was great. I hope others do the same. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42569	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/21/2006
Subject: Re: Ebay shipping box

Mike & Bob, They don't even want you to reuse the used boxes unless they are right side out & the bar codes & old address' are marked out. They nailed me for it & using a label that I had cut the Priority stuff off of. I got a stern warning from the Postmaster of that PO. This from a Govt. that is urging us to recycle. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42570	From: George Cohn	Date: 12/21/2006
Subject: Re: Ebay shipping box

northline@... wrote: > > > Mike and Bob: I got a box the other day that USPS had laser printed > across the inside with "Priority Mail" too. Looks like their plan to go > after the theft problem. The USPS is actually quite good at giving you free boxes if you use their priority mail services. You can go on-line to http://tinyurl.com/yyfr8k and see that all of the priority mail products are free except those that have pre-paid postage. They even deliver them to your address free of charge. They have two boxes that are good for mailing some train stuff that are flat rate. $8.10 anywhere in the US, regardless of weight. I went to mail a box yesterday that would have cost me $9.00 using my box but was only $8.10 using theirs which was a larger box! UPS used to do the same thing but now you have to be a large business customer to get their free pre-printed boxes. George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42571	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/21/2006
Subject: Re: Ebay shipping box

You can also get your return address printed on the Priority labels from that web site & call them. They will give you any amt,. FREE. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42572	From: srmj@wi.rr.com	Date: 12/21/2006
Subject: Re: repair

Clifford, The worm gear is in fact soldered to the armature shaft. You will need to disassamble the motor to repair. Steve Lunde ----- Original Message ----- From: clifma19@... Date: Thursday, December 21, 2006 11:36 am Subject: [S-Trains] repair To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com > I have a PA 360 that one motor has the gear drive on one end of > the armature that has come loose. > I am unsure if these worm gears are pressed on or if they are > soldered on. > It looks that they are soldered atleast on the end of the shaft. > Can anyone give me guidance? > Thanks, > > Clifford Manning > clifma19@... > Topeka, KS >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42573	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 12/21/2006
Subject: MAILING BOXES

ANOTHER THING ABOUT THE USPS BOXES........ Not only are they FREE but they will deliver them to you in bulk lots..... like 25 to a carton..... And don't forget..... use their printout labels, FREE, and pay the postage with your credit card..... THEN SCHEDULE A PICKUP AT YOUR HOME THE NEXT DAY OR SO...... I have sent as many as 25 boxes at once..... and I haven't gone to the PO in years!!!!!!! Gettin LAZY I GUESS........ FOR LABELS https://sss-web.usps.com/cns/landing.do for usps boxes http://shop.usps.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductCategoryDisplay?beginIndex=0&pageSize=10000&langId=-1&storeId=10001&catalogId=10152&categoryId=13354 nOW FOR ANOTHER GOOD PART..... BEING SAME SIZES...... THEY MAKE GOOD STORAGE UNITS..... BOB CONNER [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42574	From: David Cooke	Date: 12/21/2006
Subject: for sale on e-bay

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=012&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&viewitem=&item=220063273379&rd=1&rd=1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42575	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 12/21/2006
Subject: best way to move a layout

Cindy and Paul, I did a major move on a large layout last year with the gracious help of two friends. We moved it from Florida to Virginia. The layout was in 4 sections. We took it apart at the sections, cut wires and all, and put it in a UHaul trailer section upon section. I went to the local Home Depot a bought some 1x4's and screws to kind of frame them so we could stack them on top of one another. Sacked some major boxes and stuff on top and headed up the road. We had some minor damage to 2 mountains, but almost everything else was intact. If you want some more info, contact me off list and I'll be glad to help. Merry Christmas to all, and to all a good night. Carlton [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42576	From: afvair	Date: 12/21/2006
Subject: Christmas hoppers, naughty and nice available

Hello AF friends, Does anyone have a pair of the 2004 Christmas Hoppers, "Naughty and Nice" for Santa to deliver. He knows someone who would like them for Christmas (or soon after). Please contact Santa with your price and condition. Merrrrrrrry Christmas!!!! Santa

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42577	From: keefer1	Date: 12/21/2006
Subject: Re: Ebay shipping box

SOMEWHERE ON ALMOST EVERY BOX IS PRINTED "THIS PACKAGING IS THE PROPERTY OF THE U.S POSTAL SERVICE AND IS PROVIDED SOLELY FOR USE IN SENDING PRIORITY MAIL.MISUSE MAY BE A VIOLATION OF FEDERAL LAW" the agreement you make if your order online or through ebay is a little more specific and restricting.Keith --- ROBERT ALLEN CONNER <rcon7@...> wrote: > MIKE...... Careful..... the PO frowns on reusing NEW > boxes in the manner of filpping them inside > out...... They claim the boxes, supplied free, are > missused and cheaper postage is placed on them..... > If they check and find the are a new box and redone > to save postage...... They said they would > prosacute...... Old used boxes might make it as > recycled stuff If all the labels, etc are inside.... > Bob > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Michael and Linda Marmer > To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com ; Toy Trains ; Ralph > Loveless > Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 9:25 AM > Subject: [S-Trains] Ebay shipping box > > > Yesterday, I got in the mail, a eBay item I won, > as it was a cheap AF caboose that I needed. > > What was neat about the delivery from the mailman, > is that the seller used a US Post Office EBay box, > where they have the word EBay plastered all over the > box. > > Any item that is shipped not insured will be left > at your door,exposing the word eBay to all who see > it, making it more attempting for someone to steal > this box, as again, it was just a 10 dollar caboose. > But I know there are some out there, for some reason > do not buy insurance, as many expensive items are > shipped out, whether trains or something else > > But here is what the seller did that I thought was > great, as maybe someone else here, who uses eBay > boxes might think about, even if the item is > insured. > > She cut the box, so she could turn it inside out, > to be just a plain cardboard box. I thought that was > great. I hope others do the same. > > Mike Marmer > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42578	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 12/21/2006
Subject: BARB'S OK ! ! 1 1 1 !

GUYS.....SHE'S OK 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 I just talked with BARB. She is doing fine, except a little cold, 38 degrees.. She has had internet problems but they are now being solved and she hopes to be back with us soon. It took 14 men to load the layout and it traveled well..... A couple of members of this list helped with the unloading. She has been keeping up with Nicki's situation thru her family. It appears she was on the way to a Doctors appointment on Saturday with her new Step daughter when they had a head on collision..... She passed at the hospital...... SO THANK YOU GOD FOR KEEPING HER SAFE..... Bob Conner [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42579	From: charlie and edith	Date: 12/22/2006
Subject: Restringing the 944 Crane

Greetings! Need help with the string pattern that raises/lowers the boom. Does the string coming off the "wheel/handle", inside the cab, go over the bracket holding the roof pivot rod or over the roof pivot rod? Think I have the rest of the pattern figured out .... thanks for your thoughts and best wishes, Charlie [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42580	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/22/2006
Subject: Re: Possible Billboard?

***(((Anyway, I got an idea, that maybe, this might work for a Billboard sign on a future layout.))*** Good idea. I don't think we have Krispy Kreme donuts around here though. I'd better check it out. Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42581	From: logitrol	Date: 12/22/2006
Subject: PS: Holiday greeting e-card

PS: Forgot to mention in my previous post that my 2006 holiday greeting e-card is also in my album in the photos section. Roy's trains. And warm wishes to all :) Roy Inman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42582	From: logitrol	Date: 12/22/2006
Subject: 2006 Christmas tree layout

Holiday greetings to all :) I have uploaded a few photos of my 2006 Christmas layout around the aluminum tree. The tree rotates, which makes for a dizzying effect when the train is running the opposite direction. I had to stop the rotation of the tree to get a good shot. Photos are under Roy's trains in the photos section, if anyone cares to take a peak. Cheers :) Roy Inman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42583	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/22/2006
Subject: Re: BARB'S OK ! ! !

Thanks for the update on Barb, Bob. I still can't believe the news about Nicki. :^( Rick. GUYS.....SHE'S OK 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 I just talked with BARB. She is doing fine, except a little cold, 38 degrees.. She has had internet problems but they are now being solved and she hopes to be back with us soon. It took 14 men to load the layout and it traveled well..... A couple of members of this list helped with the unloading. She has been keeping up with Nicki's situation thru her family. It appears she was on the way to a Doctors appointment on Saturday with her new Step daughter when they had a head on collision..... She passed at the hospital...... SO THANK YOU GOD FOR KEEPING HER SAFE..... Bob Conner [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42584	From: Eric R.	Date: 12/22/2006
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Re: SHS Christmas Blatant commericalism

Don: Got my 2 today, as usual a great job and great service. Now for those #5 Switches......... :>) Eric reis Kenmore, Wa. -----Original Message----- From: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Scale@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Donald Thompson Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 6:24 PM To: Showcaseline e-group Cc: S-Trains; S-Scale Subject: {S-Scale List} Re: SHS Christmas Blatant commericalism Sorry this e-mail is coming so late in the year, our 2006 Christmas cars arrived today from our builder via FedEx........clip

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42585	From: Eric R.	Date: 12/22/2006
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Seattle storm

Well, we are finally back on line. The power came on overnight Wednesday morning and the internet this afternoon. We had no real damage to the house or property but neighbors had trees down across decks and yards, no actual house damage. The main Street up from my house, Juanita drive had at least 5 - 70+ foot tall trees blown out over the wires and street and only held up by the wires. The county only closed the road Sunday, 3 days after the storm. Those trees have now been cut down to make the road passable but all the broken poles and downed and stretched wires (about a miles worth) are still on the side of the road tonight waiting to be replaced or restrung. The worst hit area is out east of me about 10 miles in Woodinville where another S train friend of mine lives. There were literally 100's (if not 1000 or more) of trees blown down in that area blocking all the main roads. Eric Reis Kirkland, Wa. -----Original Message----- From: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Scale@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Roger Nulton Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2006 11:05 AM To: s-scale; Richard Karnes Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Seattle storm Here in the "South Sound" we didn't have it so bad. The power went out for about 20 hours Thursday night to Friday evening. Jami and I have gas fireplaces and gas hot water, so we were not cold. We cooked on my propane camp stove and used propanre lanterns for light, also. The greatest hardship was internet service being down until yesterday, so I have just now completed wading through 400 emails. And driving around is scary since all the traffic lights are/were out. If you find 4 way stops confusing, imagine them with 6 lanes of traffic. Kinda hard to remember who has the right of way! Lots of wiring got done on my layout once the soldering iron began cooking again, since shopping and internet was put on hold. Roger Nulton North East Tacoma ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Karnes To: s-scale Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 5:15 PM Subject: {S-Scale List} Seattle storm OK, maybe some of you are interested in this off-topic topic. Last Wednesday night a 100' Douglas fir toppled onto my south living room bearing wall and came to rest on the end of the ridge beam. No internal house damage -- the tree just sheared off the 3' overhanging eave. The root ball was at the back of our property, which is 95' deep. The top of the tree overhung my neighbor's driveway, which is about ten feet from the front of our house. This tree was removed on Thursday; a crane was required. Thursday night my neighbor's 70' Douglas fir fell straight north, alighting atop the end of my garage's ridge beam. On its way down it knocked the tops off three of his alders; these sheared the gutter off my garage. The fir also knocked over his 50' spruce, sending it down at 45 degrees across our cul-de-sac and blocking access for three of the six residents. Our neighbor up the hill had half of a madrona tree fall across the driveway on Thursday night, winding up atop another neighbor's bedroom. This sort of finished off any hope of getting a car in or out. Fortunately we had parked our car up on the street so the crane could get in on Thursday, so we at least had transportation -- such as it was. Most roads here on Mercer Island were blocked with trees, downed wires, smashed utility poles and transformers, and wires holding up trees precariously. We took a drive around to survey the damage. It was like finding our way through a maze full of unexpected dead ends. No railroading got done in the last four days. (Note the obligatory e-list topic here...) There were no lights (except battery-powered) and no heat. Can't build models with bare fingers in a 40-degree room. We stayed warm with three layers of clothing, earmuffs, scarves, and heavy bathrobes. Reminded me of my Boy Scout days, sleeping in a tent pitched on a frozen lake near High Point NJ. Didn't like it then, didn't like it now... We got power back last night. Before that, we cooked over Sterno and on the charcoal grill outside. And we ate out a lot! As of today, the trees blocking our residential access have been cut and moved. But there are still massive piles of branches and tree-trunk sections lying around here. Fortunately our frozen food stayed frozen and our electric hot-water heater retained its heat. We used the outdoors to store the contents of our refrigerator -- it got down to 29 degrees here. Dick Karnes Mercer Island, WA (2 miles from Seattle) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42586	From: Robert Graves	Date: 12/22/2006
Subject: The Gilbert Gallery needs pictures: Naughty & Nice and others

The Gallery now has pictures of all the Flyonel Christmas/Holiday cars except the Naughty & Nice hoppers. If anyone can email me a picture of each, I would greatly appreciate it! Other pictures needed: 24720 FY&PRR Coach painted, with & without “American Flyer Lines” Pullman Heavyweights 652 Pikes Peak in red & maroon 652, 653 & 654 with long trucks, both red and green, with silver wide-serif lettering made in 1946 653 & 654 with long trucks, both red and green, with white lettering made in 1947 953 & 954 maroon without silhouettes 953 red or green with hinged doors (extremely rare) 954 green with hinged doors (extremely rare) 24739 maroon Niagara Falls combination car with silhouettes Northern Steam Engines 332 AC version with silver Union Pacific lettering and smoke unit in the tender 1946 332 AFL DC version with white stripe on the running board made only in 1949 332 AF DC version with white stripe on the running board made only in 1949 Work & Boom Cars 607 on black base 645A three versions in Tuscan brown Geeps 8350 B&M GP-7 8552 New York Central GP-9 48005 Pennsylvania GP-9 48048 Duluth, Missabe & Iron Range SD9 48049 Southern Pacific SD9 Boxcars 0700 NASG Boxcar 48307 Western Pacific Boxcar 48478 Burlington NASG Boxcar 48488 Jersey Central NASG Boxcar bearing the number 48470 Crane Cars 49014 New York Central crane car 49021 Union Pacific crane car Flatcars 48538 Hoods flatcar with two Milk Containers 48540 B&O flatcar with girder load 48553 Pacific Fruit Express trailer flatcar 49001 New York Central made by Lionel Gondolas 9303 Southern gondola with gray canisters 48230 Toy Train Museum gondola with pipe load 8510 Nickel Plate gondola with gray canisters 48541 Delaware & Hudson gondola with pipe load Hoppers 48614 B&LE 3-bay hopper 48623 Naughty & Nice Hoppers Reefer 48476 New York Central Tank car 48496 Monsanto tank car Streamlined Passenger Cars made by A. C. Gilbert 500 combo in chrome 502 dome car in both satin & chrome 661 in satin finish 961 chestnut-stripe 24793 coach car red-stripe 24794 Coach Car orange-stripe (extremely rare) 24843 NP combination car 24867 Combination Car red-stripe (I’d like a better picture) 24868 Observation Car red-stripe (I’d like a better picture) Passenger Sets made by Lionel 9504-9507 Erie cars & set with engines 48926 California Zephyr Combination Car 48928 California Zephyr vista dome car 49605 New Haven Orange-Stripe car set 48936 orange-stripe Hamilton dome car 48937 orange-stripe Washington Observation Car 49606 Silver Flash passenger set 48938 chestnut-stripe Columbus Combination 48939 chestnut-stripe Jefferson coach car 48940 chestnut-stripe Washington Observation Car 48941 Union Pacific Pony Express vista dome dining car 48975 Pennsylvania baggage car & diner 2-pack 48978 Union Pacific Heavyweight 4-Pack (combo, coach, diner, & observation car) 48983 Union Pacific Heavyweight 2-Pack (baggage and coach cars) 48994 AT&SF 4-car set Thanks for your help! Have a very Merry Christmas, Happy Hanukkah, and Happy New Year! Bob __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42587	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 12/22/2006
Subject: Thank you, "Santas" and wish list

Here's a Holiday thank you to: Donn Lowe, who stoked my Flyer fires, got me into Pre-war and Standard gage and shared secrets of repair; Doug Peck, for being the best Flyer source since Erector Square, and especially for the repair of the 295 that graces our Christmas layout; Bob Hannon, for the superb rebuilding he does, and especially for my now-healthy 402 motor-which can now plow fields!!; to Mom and dad, for that first set in '55; to Al Taggart for the 2046 and 2023 sets he passed on to me when he "outgrew" them; and to all on these sites who keep the hobby strong with all the shared ideas and enthusiasm!!!! And Santa-help me find a pair of air tanks for a #18 coach, a restorable center span for my 101 bridge, and a complete power truck for a 2023. If I left anyone out, sorry, it's my fault, not yours!-John Marganski __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42588	From: bud9351	Date: 12/22/2006
Subject: Flyer Geep sideframe

Hello guys, Does anyone here have a spare AF geep truck sideframe? Were they always made of metal or did some get made in plastic? I'm looking for one to borrow or buy to make a mold of the left, squared, journal only. I do not need a complete sideframe if anyone has one of them broken. Thanks, Bud Rindfleisch

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42589	From: Doug Peck	Date: 12/22/2006
Subject: Restringing the 944 Crane

There's a restringing diagram in one of our website "AF Repair Clinics". <<Need help with the string pattern that raises/lowers the boom. >> Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours: Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, & Saturdays--- 2-5 PM (EST) 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: www dot portlines dot com E-Mail: doug at portlines dot com VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42590	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 12/22/2006
Subject: Re: Restringing the 944 Crane

Somewhere I have a diagram for doing this. Will email if I can find it. Harwood [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42591	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/22/2006
Subject: Photo Album links.

If you are having problems getting into your albums, use this link: http://s-scale.org/albums/main.php Paul did some work on them and my bookmarked link wouldn't work anymore for me. So, if any problems, try the new link. If you still have problems, please let me know. Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42592	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/22/2006
Subject: Leaking smoke unit?

I think mine may be. I need to check it out more. When I was fiddlin' around with the pilot truck, my fingers smelled like smoke fluid afterwards. Any kind of fix for this problem? Possible over-fill on my part? But I do add liquid quite often. Thanks! Rick. S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42593	From: amflyrguy	Date: 12/22/2006
Subject: 326 loco with choo choo

Happy Holidays! I have a 326 and am having trouble with the chho choo sound. Does this engine need a air chime whistle or electronic whistle? I have an electronic whistle and at full throttle I can hear a humm as I work the controller. I have it wire correctly, per instructions. Any thoughts? Thanks

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42594	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/22/2006
Subject: Re: Leaking smoke unit?

***(((( or it could be that you're having some smoke fluid seep past the screwdriver slot in the stack. Get one of the Flyer funnles from Doug. If you have a smoke unit with a removable bottom, replace the gasket.))** Ahhhhh...........could be the gasket. I have a bunch of NOS AF funnels. Possibly over-fill, seems I add a lot. But I add when the smoke quits. Still seems like a lot. Rick. __________________________________________________ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42595	From: Phil K	Date: 12/22/2006
Subject: Gilbert set named second Most-Dangerous Toy of all time

Of course, No. 1 is the lawn darts set sold internationally as "Jarts". They were known to be able to penetrate the human skull. Number two was an A.C. Gilbert science toy that fortunately sold in very limited numbers. If we knew then what we know now. Hint: U-238 is NOT a German submarine. Read more right here: http://tinyurl.com/vaav6 Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42596	From: seg60133	Date: 12/22/2006
Subject: Ebay seller alert - Simmons reefer

Re: Ebay seller: mwinternetauctionsonmain, Brian Wilson, m91bellsouth@... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180063994907 Hi All, Bidding recently ended on this Simmons reefer at $606. Unfortunately, its a repro. Before bidding ended, I contacted the seller pointing out that his item did not have the characteristics of an original Simmons. He angrily implied that it was a factory prototype, and that I should mind my own business. I responded by asking for his evidence that it is a prototype. Without further explanation, the seller blocked me from bidding on any of his auctions. Actually he did me a favor, but not exactly the actions you'd expect from a reputable seller. One other thing, this seller implies in each ad that he does not respond to inquiries through Ebay's message system, only responding to messages directly to his email address. Item descriptions always are minimal, further encouraging questions and opportunities to mislead. He does this because Ebay will not take action against any seller arising from messaging outside of their system. Therefore, this seller can claim anything he wants without fear of consequences from Ebay. Please be very careful dealing with this seller. ****************************************************************** [Moderator's note: Please detail for us what characteristics are absent from this piece leading you to identify it as a reproduction. I'm sure a lot of us would like to know so we can avoid being scammed in the future.] ******************************************************************

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42597	From: clayton deich	Date: 12/22/2006
Subject: Re: Gilbert set named second Most-Dangerous Toy of all time

Phil my kids say we had the best toys ever made..... I have some of the lab kits, and the kid were told not to play with them at all. The boys are in there twentys now. When the boys were in high school I let them look the lab kits over, and they could not understand why a child would be able to play with them at all..... Hee Hee Hee My Brother made a spot on the floor at Mom, and Dads need less to say Mom put that in the trash the next day. Don't go poking around in the old land fills.... You could get a free X-Ray from a live sorce. Clayton S. D. --- Phil K <waldootten@...> wrote: > Of course, No. 1 is the lawn darts set sold > internationally as "Jarts". > They were known to be able to penetrate the human > skull. > > Number two was an A.C. Gilbert science toy that > fortunately sold in > very limited numbers. > > If we knew then what we know now. Hint: U-238 is NOT > a German submarine. > > Read more right here: > > http://tinyurl.com/vaav6 > > Phil K > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42598	From: keefer1	Date: 12/22/2006
Subject: Re: Ebay seller alert - Simmons reefer

I have dealt with this seller on more than once, and always got at least what was described if not better.Keith --- seg60133 <seg50@...> wrote: > Re: Ebay seller: mwinternetauctionsonmain, Brian > Wilson, > m91bellsouth@... > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180063994907 > > Hi All, > Bidding recently ended on this Simmons reefer at > $606. > Unfortunately, its a repro. Before bidding ended, I > contacted the > seller pointing out that his item did not have the > characteristics of > an original Simmons. He angrily implied that it was > a factory > prototype, and that I should mind my own business. > I responded by > asking for his evidence that it is a prototype. > Without further > explanation, the seller blocked me from bidding on > any of his > auctions. Actually he did me a favor, but not > exactly the actions > you'd expect from a reputable seller. > > One other thing, this seller implies in each ad that > he does not > respond to inquiries through Ebay's message system, > only responding > to messages directly to his email address. Item > descriptions always > are minimal, further encouraging questions and > opportunities to > mislead. He does this because Ebay will not take > action against any > seller arising from messaging outside of their > system. Therefore, > this seller can claim anything he wants without fear > of consequences > from Ebay. > > Please be very careful dealing with this seller. > > ****************************************************************** > [Moderator's note: Please detail for us what > characteristics are absent from this piece leading > you to identify it as a reproduction. I'm sure a lot > of us would like to know so we can avoid being > scammed in the future.] > ****************************************************************** > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42599	From: keefer1	Date: 12/22/2006
Subject: Re: Ebay seller alert - Simmons reefer

Hold on here, you accuse him of not being reputable yet you try to bid on his items? Ans secondly , I have used non ebay emails , were a seller agreed to combine shipping,and later refused, to settle a dispute through EBAY. Keith

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42600	From: seg60133	Date: 12/22/2006
Subject: Simmons reefer characteristics

I'm looking at an original Simmons reefer in my hand as I write this. Characteristics of an Original Simmons Reefer: 1) Unpainted orange plastic shell (similar to most #802 and 24403 IC reefers). Painted Simmons versions are unknown. 2) Thick, black, stencil-font lettering, heat-stamped. 3) Solid knuckle couplers 4) Sintered iron truck sideframes attached to sheet metal frame with hollow eyelets. No truck rivets. 5) Frame attaches to shell by tab-hook on end slot and screw at opposite end (same as some #802 and 24403 IC reefers). No side tabs, no floor rivets. The Ebay item looks painted, the lettering is thin, and there are standard operating knuckle couplers instead of solid. Furthermore, the seller would not provide additional descriptors of his piece when asked. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "seg60133" <seg50@...> wrote: > > Re: Ebay seller: mwinternetauctionsonmain, Brian Wilson, > m91bellsouth@... > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180063994907 > > Hi All, > Bidding recently ended on this Simmons reefer at $606. > Unfortunately, its a repro. Before bidding ended, I contacted the > seller pointing out that his item did not have the characteristics of > an original Simmons. He angrily implied that it was a factory > prototype, and that I should mind my own business. I responded by > asking for his evidence that it is a prototype. Without further > explanation, the seller blocked me from bidding on any of his > auctions. Actually he did me a favor, but not exactly the actions > you'd expect from a reputable seller. > > One other thing, this seller implies in each ad that he does not > respond to inquiries through Ebay's message system, only responding > to messages directly to his email address. Item descriptions always > are minimal, further encouraging questions and opportunities to > mislead. He does this because Ebay will not take action against any > seller arising from messaging outside of their system. Therefore, > this seller can claim anything he wants without fear of consequences > from Ebay. > > Please be very careful dealing with this seller. > > ****************************************************************** > [Moderator's note: Please detail for us what characteristics are absent from this piece leading you to identify it as a reproduction. I'm sure a lot of us would like to know so we can avoid being scammed in the future.] > ****************************************************************** >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42601	From: seg60133	Date: 12/22/2006
Subject: Re: Ebay seller alert - Simmons reefer

I have NOT bid on any of this seller's auctions, including the Simmons, since my inquiries to him. As for the rest of your message, you lost me. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, keefer1 <keefer1_us@...> wrote: > > Hold on here, you accuse him of not being reputable > yet you try to bid on his items? Ans secondly , I have > used non ebay emails , were a seller agreed to combine > shipping,and later refused, to settle a dispute > through EBAY. Keith >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42602	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/22/2006
Subject: National Capital Trackers

My wife and I went down to the annual running of O gauge trains by the National Capital Tracker, who are only O gaugers. They do a nice job of running this trains in December at the oldest airport in America, at College Park, MD, home of the University of Maryland Terrapins. But I wonder why on their banner, they have a picture of track and it has TWO rails, as train track was meant to be!!!! JUST KIDDING! But I will say, to me, and maybe it is just me, after seeing these trains run, I really like my AF that is running under the tree, which is a set from 1958 with a wonderful Hudson and seven cars, with a additional 957 Operating Erie Box car. All of these pieces have with me, since that time, as I got this as a 3 year old. I am not a runner, as I am a collector, as I await the arrival of the switchers from Classic Trains, but I am amazed at the detail and quality of the engine and cars from this set as it runs. Also, I know the new technology for engines today with the bells, whistle and choo choo, but that to me, car not replace the choo choo of my Hudson, as it sounds more realistic. Again to me. And I love the horn on the AF, that sounds in the tender with the steam whistle generator. The smoke stack, with the smoke, glows red, as I did not see that in any modern engine today. Plus, the AF engine is metal, as I know this tender is not, but tenders, pre-1958 are metal. It just seam more realistic. Again, it is just me, but I am sure, once I do get the layout going, I am sure I will enjoy the new modern S items too. Oh, what is the deal with the engine I saw, steam, that the front of the body, headlight area, separates from the lower body on curves. What is the reason for this and why? From another era, Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42603	From: seg60133	Date: 12/22/2006
Subject: Simmons reefer characteristics

I'm looking at an original Simmons reefer in my hand as I write this. Characteristics of an Original Simmons Reefer: 1) Unpainted orange plastic shell (similar to most #802 and 24403 IC reefers). Painted Simmons versions are unknown. 2) Thick, black, stencil-font lettering, heat-stamped. 3) Solid knuckle couplers 4) Sintered iron truck sideframes attached to sheet metal frame with hollow eyelets. No truck rivets. 5) Frame attaches to shell by tab-hook on end slot and screw at opposite end (same as some #802 and 24403 IC reefers). No side tabs, no floor rivets. The Ebay item looks painted, the lettering is thin, and there are standard operating knuckle couplers instead of solid. Furthermore, the seller would not provide additional descriptors of his piece when asked. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "seg60133" <seg50@...> wrote: > > Re: Ebay seller: mwinternetauctionsonmain, Brian Wilson, > m91bellsouth@... > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180063994907 > > Hi All, > Bidding recently ended on this Simmons reefer at $606. > Unfortunately, its a repro. Before bidding ended, I contacted the > seller pointing out that his item did not have the characteristics of > an original Simmons. He angrily implied that it was a factory > prototype, and that I should mind my own business. I responded by > asking for his evidence that it is a prototype. Without further > explanation, the seller blocked me from bidding on any of his > auctions. Actually he did me a favor, but not exactly the actions > you'd expect from a reputable seller. > > One other thing, this seller implies in each ad that he does not > respond to inquiries through Ebay's message system, only responding > to messages directly to his email address. Item descriptions always > are minimal, further encouraging questions and opportunities to > mislead. He does this because Ebay will not take action against any > seller arising from messaging outside of their system. Therefore, > this seller can claim anything he wants without fear of consequences > from Ebay. > > Please be very careful dealing with this seller. > > ****************************************************************** > [Moderator's note: Please detail for us what characteristics are absent from this piece leading you to identify it as a reproduction. I'm sure a lot of us would like to know so we can avoid being scammed in the future.] > ****************************************************************** >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42604	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/22/2006
Subject: sentence correction

"Also, I know the new technology for engines today with the bells, whistle and choo choo, but that to me, car not replace the choo choo of my Hudson, as it sounds more realistic. Again to me. " I made a error on the sentence above on this email. Where I have the word car, it should be can. Now it might make more sense. Sorry about that. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42605	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 12/22/2006
Subject: S-Scale.org Photo Albums - New Shortcuts

The short cut URLs like http://s-scale.org/albums/v/friends/rlgriggs/ no longer work http://s-scale.org/albums/main.php/v/friends/rlgriggs/ is what now works I am afraid to try and fix this. Paul [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42606	From: Robert Graves	Date: 12/22/2006
Subject: Re: Ebay seller alert - Simmons reefer

Yes, Brian is a cranky character with no semblance of people skills. That's correct. And, yes, you absolutely do have to look closely at anything of his that you bid on. You can request additional pictures, but often you'll get a discourteous, sometimes even insulting, refusal. That's just the way he is. I can accept that, but I am EXTREMELY cautious with his auctions. On the other hand, I have bought a couple of things from him and been satisfied with my purchases. seg60133 <seg50@...> wrote: Re: Ebay seller: mwinternetauctionsonmain, Brian Wilson, m91bellsouth@... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180063994907 Hi All, Bidding recently ended on this Simmons reefer at $606. Unfortunately, its a repro. Before bidding ended, I contacted the seller pointing out that his item did not have the characteristics of an original Simmons. He angrily implied that it was a factory prototype, and that I should mind my own business. I responded by asking for his evidence that it is a prototype. Without further explanation, the seller blocked me from bidding on any of his auctions. Actually he did me a favor, but not exactly the actions you'd expect from a reputable seller. One other thing, this seller implies in each ad that he does not respond to inquiries through Ebay's message system, only responding to messages directly to his email address. Item descriptions always are minimal, further encouraging questions and opportunities to mislead. He does this because Ebay will not take action against any seller arising from messaging outside of their system. Therefore, this seller can claim anything he wants without fear of consequences from Ebay. Please be very careful dealing with this seller.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42607	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/22/2006
Subject: Re: Ebay seller alert - Simmons reefer

You mean that 12 dollar 24627 Caboose I won from this seller could be a fake too? Just kidding, as I won two items from him last week, as he combine the shipping cost. Even, my purchase in total was only $66, he communicated with me with no problems. I too, would like to know, what makes this Simmons a fake. I don't think it is fair to make a statement about someone with out at least backing up a point or points about the item. That is not fair to the seller, as we read these emails and have to make a decision about a business person. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: keefer1 To: seg60133 ; k j Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 4:31 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Ebay seller alert - Simmons reefer I have dealt with this seller on more than once, and always got at least what was described if not better.Keith --- seg60133 <seg50@...> wrote: > Re: Ebay seller: mwinternetauctionsonmain, Brian > Wilson, > m91bellsouth@... > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180063994907 > > Hi All, > Bidding recently ended on this Simmons reefer at > $606. > Unfortunately, its a repro. Before bidding ended, I > contacted the > seller pointing out that his item did not have the > characteristics of > an original Simmons. He angrily implied that it was > a factory > prototype, and that I should mind my own business. > I responded by > asking for his evidence that it is a prototype. > Without further > explanation, the seller blocked me from bidding on > any of his > auctions. Actually he did me a favor, but not > exactly the actions > you'd expect from a reputable seller. > > One other thing, this seller implies in each ad that > he does not > respond to inquiries through Ebay's message system, > only responding > to messages directly to his email address. Item > descriptions always > are minimal, further encouraging questions and > opportunities to > mislead He does this because Ebay will not take > action against any > seller arising from messaging outside of their > system. Therefore, > this seller can claim anything he wants without fear > of consequences > from Ebay. > > Please be very careful dealing with this seller. > > ****************************************************************** > [Moderator's note: Please detail for us what > characteristics are absent from this piece leading > you to identify it as a reproduction. I'm sure a lot > of us would like to know so we can avoid being > scammed in the future.] > ****************************************************************** > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42608	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 12/22/2006
Subject: Re;Gilbert set named Second Most Dangerous Toy of All Time

Until this post, I was not aware of this "toy' made by Gilbert. With interest in things nuclear high at this time, I suppose it was only natural old A.C. would have thought this was a good idea. Knowing what we do today, perhaps it was good that this wasn't a "hot" seller. :>) Could this have been a suggestion from the CIA to interest "young atomic scientists" in things nuclear? How many of these sets were smuggled to Russia to educated THEIR "young atomic scientists? How many of these unsold sets are lurking in some forgotten warehouse (remember the final scene of the first Indiana Jones movie?) waiting to cause problems? :>) Boy am I glad my dad bought me Gilbert TRAINS when I was a kid! Stumpy Stone...weird enough without radiation poisoning...in Appalachia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42609	From: seg60133	Date: 12/22/2006
Subject: Re: Ebay seller alert - Simmons reefer

Mike, I, too, have had OK previous (very inexpensive) dealings with this seller. However, with the Simmons auction, he crossed the line by evading direct inquiries as to whether this piece was a repro or not. In fact, his implication to me was that it was a factory prototype. If this is not an active attempt to mislead, then what is? Please see my earlier post on why I thought his Simmons was a repro. Steve --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > You mean that 12 dollar 24627 Caboose I won from this seller could be a fake too? Just kidding, as I won two items from him last week, as he combine the shipping cost. > > Even, my purchase in total was only $66, he communicated with me with no problems. > > I too, would like to know, what makes this Simmons a fake. > > I don't think it is fair to make a statement about someone with out at least backing up a point or points about the item. That is not fair to the seller, as we read these emails and have to make a decision about a business person. > > Mike Marmer > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: keefer1 > To: seg60133 ; k j > Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 4:31 PM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Ebay seller alert - Simmons reefer > > > I have dealt with this seller on more than once, and > always got at least what was described if not > better.Keith > --- seg60133 <seg50@...> wrote: > > > Re: Ebay seller: mwinternetauctionsonmain, Brian > > Wilson, > > m91bellsouth@... > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180063994907 > > > > Hi All, > > Bidding recently ended on this Simmons reefer at > > $606. > > Unfortunately, its a repro. Before bidding ended, I > > contacted the > > seller pointing out that his item did not have the > > characteristics of > > an original Simmons. He angrily implied that it was > > a factory > > prototype, and that I should mind my own business. > > I responded by > > asking for his evidence that it is a prototype. > > Without further > > explanation, the seller blocked me from bidding on > > any of his > > auctions. Actually he did me a favor, but not > > exactly the actions > > you'd expect from a reputable seller. > > > > One other thing, this seller implies in each ad that > > he does not > > respond to inquiries through Ebay's message system, > > only responding > > to messages directly to his email address. Item > > descriptions always > > are minimal, further encouraging questions and > > opportunities to > > mislead He does this because Ebay will not take > > action against any > > seller arising from messaging outside of their > > system. Therefore, > > this seller can claim anything he wants without fear > > of consequences > > from Ebay. > > > > Please be very careful dealing with this seller. > > > > > ****************************************************************** > > [Moderator's note: Please detail for us what > > characteristics are absent from this piece leading > > you to identify it as a reproduction. I'm sure a lot > > of us would like to know so we can avoid being > > scammed in the future.] > > > ****************************************************************** > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42610	From: paflyrman	Date: 12/22/2006
Subject: Re: Ebay Seller Allert - Simmons Reefer

I too have bought from this seller on occasion and have been satisfied with my purchases. But recently he listed an original pair of 300 multicast pilot handrails in which I was interested, with a shipping charge of $6. So I emailed and asked why shipping was so much for two little pieces of wire. You can send a pound anywhere in the continental USA via priority mail for $4.05. Never got an answer, so I guess I'm on his blocked bidders list too now. Several months ago , if I remember correctly, I got an email from some muckety muck at Ebay stating they were going to do something about excessive shipping costs, since it's just a way to make $$$ without paying a % to Ebay. Guess nothing has come of it. Waiting for the fat man in PA, paflyrman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42611	From: Roy Inman	Date: 12/22/2006
Subject: Mikado and smoke

When the LAF Mikado first started arriving in the hands of S gaugers, there was a lot of comment on the list about smoke production, or lack thereof. I could not find in the archives a specific post addressing my problem. Put the engine on the track, smoke switch set to off; chuff sound is fine. Conventional control. Put in the recommended 10 or so drops of smoke fluid, turned on the switch, but no smoke, even after 15 minutes or so of running. Nearly as I can tell, it just doesn't work. Does the smoke generator only work with TMCC? Is there some other adjustment that has to be made? I saw nothing further in the instructions. Or is this perhaps a bad unit that needs to be sent back to Lionel? Any suggestions appreciated. Cheers :) Roy Inman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42612	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 12/22/2006
Subject: Re: Re;Gilbert set named Second Most Dangerous Toy of All Time

One of my safer hobbies is playing with glass..... I bring it out of the furnace at 2300 to 2400 degrees to keep it like thick honey. I then marve it in glass frit after getting my bubble started.... I like VASALINE glass..... its yellow until you place it under a black light then it turns a BEAUTIFUL IRADESCENT GREEN.... GLOWING...... Until U235 was used for Bombs it was used as a colerent for GLASS.... Lots of us have some of it in our homes... collectable glass pieces...... The radiation level is really very low..... some watchs give off more....... I really think this toy was blown way out of reason..... The school where I work in the shop I asked about u235..... wow did they get upset with me ..... NO NO nothing radioactive....... so I just tell them my frit is yellow colorant....... But boy when you put it in the 2300 degree GLORY HOLE to reheat...... What a pretty green color as the atoms agitate.from the sun like heat..... Any body see one of these sets..... let me know..... I might get it.....After all.... Think of all the toys we had as kids...... our cap gus....... who hasn't emptyed rolls of caps in a shootout......We were smart enough and intellegent enough to realize DANGER and look out for it.... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: Stumpy Stone To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 7:03 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re;Gilbert set named Second Most Dangerous Toy of All Time Until this post, I was not aware of this "toy' made by Gilbert. With interest in things nuclear high at this time, I suppose it was only natural old A.C. would have thought this was a good idea. Knowing what we do today, perhaps it was good that this wasn't a "hot" seller. :>) Could this have been a suggestion from the CIA to interest "young atomic scientists" in things nuclear? How many of these sets were smuggled to Russia to educated THEIR "young atomic scientists? How many of these unsold sets are lurking in some forgotten warehouse (remember the final scene of the first Indiana Jones movie?) waiting to cause problems? :>) Boy am I glad my dad bought me Gilbert TRAINS when I was a kid! Stumpy Stone...weird enough without radiation poisoning...in Appalachia. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42613	From: James Hannawald	Date: 12/22/2006
Subject: Re: National Capital Trackers

Mike, I know a few of those National Capital Trackers and they all are what I call "Closet S-Gaugers". I did a couple of shows with them where the show was over a 2 day period. On the second day they would bring the 322's and 336's to see them run on an American Flyer layout. Most hadn't seen daylight for several years. And with some simple repairs I would have them running. May explain the 2 rails on the shirts. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael and Linda Marmer To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com ; Toy Trains ; Ralph Loveless Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 6:52 PM Subject: [S-Trains] National Capital Trackers My wife and I went down to the annual running of O gauge trains by the National Capital Tracker, who are only O gaugers. They do a nice job of running this trains in December at the oldest airport in America, at College Park, MD, home of the University of Maryland Terrapins. But I wonder why on their banner, they have a picture of track and it has TWO rails, as train track was meant to be!!!! JUST KIDDING! But I will say, to me, and maybe it is just me, after seeing these trains run, I really like my AF that is running under the tree, which is a set from 1958 with a wonderful Hudson and seven cars, with a additional 957 Operating Erie Box car. All of these pieces have with me, since that time, as I got this as a 3 year old. I am not a runner, as I am a collector, as I await the arrival of the switchers from Classic Trains, but I am amazed at the detail and quality of the engine and cars from this set as it runs. Also, I know the new technology for engines today with the bells, whistle and choo choo, but that to me, car not replace the choo choo of my Hudson, as it sounds more realistic. Again to me. And I love the horn on the AF, that sounds in the tender with the steam whistle generator. The smoke stack, with the smoke, glows red, as I did not see that in any modern engine today. Plus, the AF engine is metal, as I know this tender is not, but tenders, pre-1958 are metal. It just seam more realistic. Again, it is just me, but I am sure, once I do get the layout going, I am sure I will enjoy the new modern S items too. Oh, what is the deal with the engine I saw, steam, that the front of the body, headlight area, separates from the lower body on curves. What is the reason for this and why? From another era, Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42614	From: g94a95	Date: 12/22/2006
Subject: American Flyer Of course!!!!

Hi Folks Several years ago I built a little web page that went under the profile for my aol address. Worked like a charm, had plenty of folks send me engines and such for repairs and servicing. I had to drop it though when BNSF ran me around the clock and kept me away from home. Now that I dont work for them anymore{thank goodness} I started it again and I would like to add some "S" links to it. I already have Marks {americanflyertrains.com}site and the fellas from SnS linked. If you want some free advertisement on my time I would be happy to add a link as long as its AF or S compatable. I will ask the owners for permission to do it first. Its in the rough stages right now and besides, it never hurts for free advertising!!!I hope everybody has A SAFE and Wonderful holiday!!!...Bill Please send link info to SFLYERCRAZY@... Thanx

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42615	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/22/2006
Subject: Re: Simmons reefer characteristics

Thanks for explaining more about your claim on the item on eBay. Sounds like you know the reefer, which is a help to those, who someday might want to buy one. Thanks for the information, Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: seg60133 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 6:26 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Simmons reefer characteristics I'm looking at an original Simmons reefer in my hand as I write this. Characteristics of an Original Simmons Reefer: 1) Unpainted orange plastic shell (similar to most #802 and 24403 IC reefers). Painted Simmons versions are unknown. 2) Thick, black, stencil-font lettering, heat-stamped. 3) Solid knuckle couplers 4) Sintered iron truck sideframes attached to sheet metal frame with hollow eyelets. No truck rivets. 5) Frame attaches to shell by tab-hook on end slot and screw at opposite end (same as some #802 and 24403 IC reefers). No side tabs, no floor rivets. The Ebay item looks painted, the lettering is thin, and there are standard operating knuckle couplers instead of solid. Furthermore, the seller would not provide additional descriptors of his piece when asked. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "seg60133" <seg50@...> wrote: > > Re: Ebay seller: mwinternetauctionsonmain, Brian Wilson, > m91bellsouth@... > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180063994907 > > Hi All, > Bidding recently ended on this Simmons reefer at $606. > Unfortunately, its a repro. Before bidding ended, I contacted the > seller pointing out that his item did not have the characteristics of > an original Simmons. He angrily implied that it was a factory > prototype, and that I should mind my own business. I responded by > asking for his evidence that it is a prototype. Without further > explanation, the seller blocked me from bidding on any of his > auctions. Actually he did me a favor, but not exactly the actions > you'd expect from a reputable seller. > > One other thing, this seller implies in each ad that he does not > respond to inquiries through Ebay's message system, only responding > to messages directly to his email address. Item descriptions always > are minimal, further encouraging questions and opportunities to > mislead. He does this because Ebay will not take action against any > seller arising from messaging outside of their system. Therefore, > this seller can claim anything he wants without fear of consequences > from Ebay. > > Please be very careful dealing with this seller. > > ****************************************************************** > [Moderator's note: Please detail for us what characteristics are absent from this piece leading you to identify it as a reproduction. I'm sure a lot of us would like to know so we can avoid being scammed in the future.] > ****************************************************************** > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42616	From: Eric R.	Date: 12/22/2006
Subject: items for sale.

-----Original Message----- From: Eric R. [mailto:northline@...] Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 6:16 PM To: AvailableSgauge@yahoogroups.com Subject: items for sale. This is a book in new condition. American Flyer, classic toy trains by Gerry and Janet Shouter.Coffee table type. 11" tall, 12" wide, Freedman Fairfax press 2002. 160 pages, all color hardbound slip cover, like new. $25 shipping included. American flyer Hudson #322 near excellent condition but missing a rear step on the tender and the drawbar has a screw and separate nut instead of screw and captive nut. (best guess, you have to flip it over to see) This is the NYC 1946 smoke in tender unit. Smokes great runs well. Ran it last week on a friends layout. Needs a lube job and the tube that takes the smoke from the tender to the boiler. I have pictures for anyone that wants them. $100 plus $12 shipping. S helper #1638 OTOE food products Refer car. $30 plus $5 shipping Eric Reis Kenmore, Wa [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42617	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 12/22/2006
Subject: Restringing the 944 Crane

Go to http://www.portlines.com/portlinesclinic19.htm Doug Peck has a diagram for restringing the crane. Very easy to follow. Dick Kuepper Aurora, OH [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42618	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/22/2006
Subject: Re: Ebay seller alert - Simmons reefer

Thanks Steve, as I read your post about your Simmons vs. the sellers. I am satisfied that you saw something and I am disappointed the seller responded to you like that. Not very professional on his part. Again, I know nothing about the quality of a real Simmons, as I know one has to be careful on items like that and your knowledge on the car shows you know what you are talking about. Thanks again for clearly that up. I will save your email for future use when it comes time to buy one. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: seg60133 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 8:23 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Ebay seller alert - Simmons reefer Mike, I, too, have had OK previous (very inexpensive) dealings with this seller. However, with the Simmons auction, he crossed the line by evading direct inquiries as to whether this piece was a repro or not. In fact, his implication to me was that it was a factory prototype. If this is not an active attempt to mislead, then what is? Please see my earlier post on why I thought his Simmons was a repro. Steve --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > You mean that 12 dollar 24627 Caboose I won from this seller could be a fake too? Just kidding, as I won two items from him last week, as he combine the shipping cost. > > Even, my purchase in total was only $66, he communicated with me with no problems. > > I too, would like to know, what makes this Simmons a fake. > > I don't think it is fair to make a statement about someone with out at least backing up a point or points about the item. That is not fair to the seller, as we read these emails and have to make a decision about a business person. > > Mike Marmer > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: keefer1 > To: seg60133 ; k j > Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 4:31 PM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Ebay seller alert - Simmons reefer > > snip...snip...snip > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Messages in this topic (9) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic Messages | Files | Photos | Links | Database | Polls | Members | Calendar S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch format to Traditional Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe Recent Activity a.. 5New Members b.. 21New Photos Visit Your Group New Message Search Find the message you want faster. Visit your group to try out the improved message search. Share feedback on the new changes to Groups . __,__,___ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42619	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 12/22/2006
Subject: Re: Simmons reefer characteristics

The Greenberg American Flyer Vol. 1 states exactly what Steve said. The picture in the Greenberg book is a repro with operating couplers. Greenberg lists an original at $1200 so the buyer on Ebay may have done OK. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael and Linda Marmer To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com ; seg60133 Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 9:51 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Simmons reefer characteristics Thanks for explaining more about your claim on the item on eBay. Sounds like you know the reefer, which is a help to those, who someday might want to buy one. Thanks for the information, Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: seg60133 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 6:26 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Simmons reefer characteristics I'm looking at an original Simmons reefer in my hand as I write this. Characteristics of an Original Simmons Reefer: 1) Unpainted orange plastic shell (similar to most #802 and 24403 IC reefers). Painted Simmons versions are unknown. 2) Thick, black, stencil-font lettering, heat-stamped. 3) Solid knuckle couplers 4) Sintered iron truck sideframes attached to sheet metal frame with hollow eyelets. No truck rivets. 5) Frame attaches to shell by tab-hook on end slot and screw at opposite end (same as some #802 and 24403 IC reefers). No side tabs, no floor rivets. The Ebay item looks painted, the lettering is thin, and there are standard operating knuckle couplers instead of solid. Furthermore, the seller would not provide additional descriptors of his piece when asked. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "seg60133" <seg50@...> wrote: > > Re: Ebay seller: mwinternetauctionsonmain, Brian Wilson, > m91bellsouth@... > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180063994907 > > Hi All, > Bidding recently ended on this Simmons reefer at $606. > Unfortunately, its a repro. Before bidding ended, I contacted the > seller pointing out that his item did not have the characteristics of > an original Simmons. He angrily implied that it was a factory > prototype, and that I should mind my own business. I responded by > asking for his evidence that it is a prototype. Without further > explanation, the seller blocked me from bidding on any of his > auctions. Actually he did me a favor, but not exactly the actions > you'd expect from a reputable seller. > > One other thing, this seller implies in each ad that he does not > respond to inquiries through Ebay's message system, only responding > to messages directly to his email address. Item descriptions always > are minimal, further encouraging questions and opportunities to > mislead. He does this because Ebay will not take action against any > seller arising from messaging outside of their system. Therefore, > this seller can claim anything he wants without fear of consequences > from Ebay. > > Please be very careful dealing with this seller. > > ****************************************************************** > [Moderator's note: Please detail for us what characteristics are absent from this piece leading you to identify it as a reproduction. I'm sure a lot of us would like to know so we can avoid being scammed in the future.] > ****************************************************************** > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42620	From: charlie and edith	Date: 12/22/2006
Subject: Restringing the 944 Crane

Greetings! The diagram in Doug Peck's repair clinic helped route the string through the pullys to raise and lower the boom. Thanks! Now I am inside the "cabin" heading to the crank .... does the string go straight to the crank, go over the hinge support bracket or over the hinge pin and then to the crank? Thanks for your thoughts and best wishes, Charlie [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42621	From: louis glumac	Date: 12/22/2006
Subject: Re: Ebay seller alert - Simmons reefer

i have had dealings with this person before, and i to am blocked from bidding on his items, because he sold me broken items, be careful. ----- Original Message ----- From: seg60133 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 3:45 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Ebay seller alert - Simmons reefer Re: Ebay seller: mwinternetauctionsonmain, Brian Wilson, m91bellsouth@... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180063994907 Hi All, Bidding recently ended on this Simmons reefer at $606. Unfortunately, its a repro. Before bidding ended, I contacted the seller pointing out that his item did not have the characteristics of an original Simmons. He angrily implied that it was a factory prototype, and that I should mind my own business. I responded by asking for his evidence that it is a prototype. Without further explanation, the seller blocked me from bidding on any of his auctions. Actually he did me a favor, but not exactly the actions you'd expect from a reputable seller. One other thing, this seller implies in each ad that he does not respond to inquiries through Ebay's message system, only responding to messages directly to his email address. Item descriptions always are minimal, further encouraging questions and opportunities to mislead. He does this because Ebay will not take action against any seller arising from messaging outside of their system. Therefore, this seller can claim anything he wants without fear of consequences from Ebay. Please be very careful dealing with this seller.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42622	From: Bill Lane	Date: 12/23/2006
Subject: Happy Holidays

Hi All, Here is our on line Holiday Greetings for this year. http://mywebpages.comcast.net/billlane/Bill_Lane_Christmas_2006.jpg I know some of you may be thinking, "Bill, this looks a lot like last year's on line Holiday greeting." Well it is true that they are somewhat similar, but I can assure you that the engine, caboose and or course the tree are new. 2007 may be different because Donna has increasingly been saying she wants a house. Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays to all. Thank You, Bill & Donna Lane Modeling the Mighty Pennsy in 1957 in S Scale since 1988 See my finished models at: http://www.lanestrains.com Look at what has been made in PRR in S Scale! Importing a Brass S Scale PRR X29 & G26 http://www.pennsysmodels.com PRR Builders Photos Bought, Sold & Traded (Trading is MUCH preferred) http://mywebpages.comcast.net/billlane/PRRphotos.xls ***Join the PRR T&HS*** The other members are not ALL like me! http://www.prrths.com http://mywebpages.comcast.net/billlane/PRRTHS_Application.pdf See my Altoona train videos here http://www.myspace.com/billlane

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42623	From: Dale Smith	Date: 12/23/2006
Subject: Re: Simmons reefer characteristics

I looked at the listing and the other messages concerning this item and I wonder how you were able to determine what the characteristics of the piece were. The pictures are pretty small and don't show the critical details well. I think you can just barely see a coupler weight on the right in one picture, and there is no view of the bottom or any close up of the trucks. What led you to suspect that it was painted? On such a costly item, I would pass on bidding just based on the skimpy illustrations. Dale Smith ----- Original Message ----- From: seg60133 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 3:26 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Simmons reefer characteristics I'm looking at an original Simmons reefer in my hand as I write this. Characteristics of an Original Simmons Reefer: 1) Unpainted orange plastic shell (similar to most #802 and 24403 IC reefers). Painted Simmons versions are unknown. 2) Thick, black, stencil-font lettering, heat-stamped. 3) Solid knuckle couplers 4) Sintered iron truck sideframes attached to sheet metal frame with hollow eyelets. No truck rivets. 5) Frame attaches to shell by tab-hook on end slot and screw at opposite end (same as some #802 and 24403 IC reefers). No side tabs, no floor rivets. The Ebay item looks painted, the lettering is thin, and there are standard operating knuckle couplers instead of solid. Furthermore, the seller would not provide additional descriptors of his piece when asked. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "seg60133" <seg50@...> wrote: > > Re: Ebay seller: mwinternetauctionsonmain, Brian Wilson, > m91bellsouth@... > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180063994907 > > Hi All, > Bidding recently ended on this Simmons reefer at $606. > Unfortunately, its a repro. Before bidding ended, I contacted the > seller pointing out that his item did not have the characteristics of > an original Simmons. He angrily implied that it was a factory > prototype, and that I should mind my own business. I responded by > asking for his evidence that it is a prototype. Without further > explanation, the seller blocked me from bidding on any of his > auctions. Actually he did me a favor, but not exactly the actions > you'd expect from a reputable seller. > > One other thing, this seller implies in each ad that he does not > respond to inquiries through Ebay's message system, only responding > to messages directly to his email address. Item descriptions always > are minimal, further encouraging questions and opportunities to > mislead. He does this because Ebay will not take action against any > seller arising from messaging outside of their system. Therefore, > this seller can claim anything he wants without fear of consequences > from Ebay. > > Please be very careful dealing with this seller. > > ****************************************************************** > [Moderator's note: Please detail for us what characteristics are absent from this piece leading you to identify it as a reproduction. I'm sure a lot of us would like to know so we can avoid being scammed in the future.] > ****************************************************************** > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42624	From: seg60133	Date: 12/23/2006
Subject: Re: Simmons reefer characteristics

Glenn, $606 is about 4x higher than the going rate for a Simmons repro. An original went for over $2,500 at Ralston auctions last week. Steve --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Glenn Ritter" <gartrain404@...> wrote: > > The Greenberg American Flyer Vol. 1 > states exactly what Steve said. > The picture in the Greenberg > book is a repro with operating > couplers. Greenberg lists > an original at $1200 so > the buyer on Ebay may have > done OK. > > Glenn > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Michael and Linda Marmer > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com ; seg60133 > Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 9:51 PM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Simmons reefer characteristics > > > Thanks for explaining more about your claim on the item on eBay. > > Sounds like you know the reefer, which is a help to those, who someday might want to buy one. > > Thanks for the information, > > Mike Marmer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: seg60133 > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 6:26 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] Simmons reefer characteristics > > I'm looking at an original Simmons reefer in my hand as I write this. > > Characteristics of an Original Simmons Reefer: > > 1) Unpainted orange plastic shell (similar to most #802 and > 24403 IC reefers). Painted Simmons versions are unknown. > 2) Thick, black, stencil-font lettering, heat-stamped. > 3) Solid knuckle couplers > 4) Sintered iron truck sideframes attached to sheet metal frame > with hollow eyelets. No truck rivets. > 5) Frame attaches to shell by tab-hook on end slot and screw at > opposite end (same as some #802 and 24403 IC reefers). No side tabs, > no floor rivets. > > The Ebay item looks painted, the lettering is thin, and there are > standard operating knuckle couplers instead of solid. Furthermore, > the seller would not provide additional descriptors of his piece when > asked. > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "seg60133" <seg50@> wrote: > > > > Re: Ebay seller: mwinternetauctionsonmain, Brian Wilson, > > m91bellsouth@ > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180063994907 > > > > Hi All, > > Bidding recently ended on this Simmons reefer at $606. > > Unfortunately, its a repro. Before bidding ended, I contacted the > > seller pointing out that his item did not have the characteristics > of > > an original Simmons. He angrily implied that it was a factory > > prototype, and that I should mind my own business. I responded by > > asking for his evidence that it is a prototype. Without further > > explanation, the seller blocked me from bidding on any of his > > auctions. Actually he did me a favor, but not exactly the actions > > you'd expect from a reputable seller. > > > > One other thing, this seller implies in each ad that he does not > > respond to inquiries through Ebay's message system, only responding > > to messages directly to his email address. Item descriptions always > > are minimal, further encouraging questions and opportunities to > > mislead. He does this because Ebay will not take action against any > > seller arising from messaging outside of their system. Therefore, > > this seller can claim anything he wants without fear of consequences > > from Ebay. > > > > Please be very careful dealing with this seller. > > > > ****************************************************************** > > [Moderator's note: Please detail for us what characteristics are > absent from this piece leading you to identify it as a reproduction. > I'm sure a lot of us would like to know so we can avoid being scammed > in the future.] > > ****************************************************************** > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42625	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 12/23/2006
Subject: Re: Mikado and smoke

The Mike's are designed to run on 18 volt track power, controlled by TMCC. SO, if you are in conventional transformer control, you are probably not approaching the 18 volts required to produce smoke. MERRY CHRISTMAS, either way. Jim " the plate train is already thru" Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42626	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/23/2006
Subject: Re: Ebay seller alert - Simmons reefer

Now you guys have me really worried about my 12 dollar caboose coming next week from this seller as not only might it be fake, but maybe broken! Actually, I have a 24539 flat coming too, with Orange Pipes. Maybe the pipes might be repro! I am only having a bit of fun with my purchase, as I am sadden to read what happen to a few of you with the seller. I will let you know how my purchase is next week. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: louis glumac To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com ; seg60133 Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2006 12:00 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Ebay seller alert - Simmons reefer i have had dealings with this person before, and i to am blocked from bidding on his items, because he sold me broken items, be careful. ----- Original Message ----- From: seg60133 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 3:45 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Ebay seller alert - Simmons reefer Re: Ebay seller: mwinternetauctionsonmain, Brian Wilson, m91bellsouth@... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180063994907 Hi All, Bidding recently ended on this Simmons reefer at $606. Unfortunately, its a repro. Before bidding ended, I contacted the seller pointing out that his item did not have the characteristics of an original Simmons. He angrily implied that it was a factory prototype, and that I should mind my own business. I responded by asking for his evidence that it is a prototype. Without further explanation, the seller blocked me from bidding on any of his auctions. Actually he did me a favor, but not exactly the actions you'd expect from a reputable seller. One other thing, this seller implies in each ad that he does not respond to inquiries through Ebay's message system, only responding to messages directly to his email address. Item descriptions always are minimal, further encouraging questions and opportunities to mislead. He does this because Ebay will not take action against any seller arising from messaging outside of their system. Therefore, this seller can claim anything he wants without fear of consequences from Ebay. Please be very careful dealing with this seller. Messages in this topic (13) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic Messages | Files | Photos | Links | Database | Polls | Members | Calendar S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch format to Traditional Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe Recent Activity a.. 6New Members b.. 21New Photos Visit Your Group New Message Search Find the message you want faster. Visit your group to try out the improved message search. Share feedback on the new changes to Groups . __,__,___ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42627	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/23/2006
Subject: Re: Ebay seller alert - Simmons reefer

I will say that I did look at his feedback, as he has 34,687 with a rating of 99.4. I don't see that as being too bad, overall, as with the large number of sales, as I know he is a auction house for other things, one would think there might be a dispute or two. Awaiting my small purchase from this seller. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42628	From: Bill Porter	Date: 12/23/2006
Subject: Re: Ebay seller alert - Simmons reefer

Merry Christmas, Y'all. I have bought from this seller several times. All purchases have been satisfactory. I always look closely at his ads before I bid. Have a Happy New Year, too. Bill Reply from Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael and Linda Marmer Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2006 10:33 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Ebay seller alert - Simmons reefer I will say that I did look at his feedback, as he has 34,687 with a rating of 99.4. I don't see that as being too bad, overall, as with the large number of sales, as I know he is a auction house for other things, one would think there might be a dispute or two. Awaiting my small purchase from this seller. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42629	From: David Dewey	Date: 12/23/2006
Subject: How about a Sat. nite Chat tonite?

Hi everyone, Because Sunday is Christmas eve, and there are many events and family things going on, how about we do chat tonite instead for this week? Sorry about the short notice, it just came to me this AM. S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42630	From: David Dewey	Date: 12/23/2006
Subject: Simmons Reefer Auction

This has been an interesting discussion. I does illustrate that often the internet is a 'buyer beware" area. One should know about what one is bidding on, such as original vs repro, and amount of repros out there! It is also important to have clarification on item descriptions if they appear to be um, scanty! I recently learned this the hard way, and am now looking for a Black Baldwin cab end w/ steps. Here is the Simmon's Reefer auction item description: THE CAR IS IN CLEAN CONDITION. IT IS COMPLETE IN PARTS. IT APPEARS TO BE A SPECIAL ISSUE CAR. NICE FOR THE COLLECTION So, the seller can claim he never stated it was an original. This is sometimes known as an "error of omission." Ask your insurance agent about that, it's a sticky place for him/her! And then there is the recent auction of a 21129 by the childhood owner, who had NO idea it was a rare loco, but had sense enough to not end the auction when he was offered $350 for it. Auction ended around $1200 -- I'll bet he's having a nice Christmas. I'll also be he will regret selling his childhood train in under 10 years! (and not because of finanacial reasons, just sentiment). So, on this day, Happy Festivus!!! Probably will miss chat Sunday, too many Christmas Eve things going on. Hmm, how about a Chat tonite instead?? I'd better make a seperate post on that idea. Merry Christmas all! S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42631	From: WEG138@aol.com	Date: 12/23/2006
Subject: What else I can do to improve performance?

Gentlemen: Merry Christmas, Happy Hanukkah, and Happy New Year to you and yours. My Johnson's roadbed arrived and I set up 2 ovals of newly cleaned AF track. Next I used 2 engines, and wound up with problems. The ovals are 14x6 1/2". Next I used first a 342AC 0-8-0, and then a 283 4-6-2 on one oval. There was a falloff in power on one track, but not the other. I've cleaned the tracks, including the pins, cleaned the connections to the transformer and track, and the wheels on the tenders. I also ran an extra wire so both sides of the oval have connections to the transformer. Does anyone have any ideas on what else I can do to improve performance? Both Engines had screws on the drive rods coming out of the piston fall off. Is this a common occurrence? Can these rods be over tightened? The 283 raises up in the front at a variety of places on both ovals. Should weight be added to the front? Or would a strong spring keeping the front truck assembly down be a better solution? Any help will be greatly appreciated. Tha nks Bill Greaves [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42632	From: seg60133	Date: 12/23/2006
Subject: Re: Simmons reefer characteristics

Dale, I've studied the characteristics of the Simmons reefer for almost 20 years. The lettering was a dead give away. It is much thinner and less bold than an original. Also the finish should have looked much shinier if it was unpainted plastic. Furthermore, I can see the coupler rivet head identifying them as knuckle couplers. However, I was sure it was a repro when the seller evaded my questions and implied that it was a factory prototype. Furthermore, he only put a reserve of $150 on this item. This guy is no dummy. He's sold tens of thousands of train items. He knew what he was going, he knew what he had, and he knew it was a repro. Steve --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Dale Smith" <dfsmith26@...> wrote: > > I looked at the listing and the other messages concerning this item and I wonder how you were able to determine what the characteristics of the piece were. The pictures are pretty small and don't show the critical details well. I think you can just barely see a coupler weight on the right in one picture, and there is no view of the bottom or any close up of the trucks. What led you to suspect that it was painted? On such a costly item, I would pass on bidding just based on the skimpy illustrations. > > Dale Smith > ----- Original Message ----- > From: seg60133 > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 3:26 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] Simmons reefer characteristics > > > I'm looking at an original Simmons reefer in my hand as I write this. > > Characteristics of an Original Simmons Reefer: > > 1) Unpainted orange plastic shell (similar to most #802 and > 24403 IC reefers). Painted Simmons versions are unknown. > 2) Thick, black, stencil-font lettering, heat-stamped. > 3) Solid knuckle couplers > 4) Sintered iron truck sideframes attached to sheet metal frame > with hollow eyelets. No truck rivets. > 5) Frame attaches to shell by tab-hook on end slot and screw at > opposite end (same as some #802 and 24403 IC reefers). No side tabs, > no floor rivets. > > The Ebay item looks painted, the lettering is thin, and there are > standard operating knuckle couplers instead of solid. Furthermore, > the seller would not provide additional descriptors of his piece when > asked. > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "seg60133" <seg50@> wrote: > > > > Re: Ebay seller: mwinternetauctionsonmain, Brian Wilson, > > m91bellsouth@ > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180063994907 > > > > Hi All, > > Bidding recently ended on this Simmons reefer at $606. > > Unfortunately, its a repro. Before bidding ended, I contacted the > > seller pointing out that his item did not have the characteristics > of > > an original Simmons. He angrily implied that it was a factory > > prototype, and that I should mind my own business. I responded by > > asking for his evidence that it is a prototype. Without further > > explanation, the seller blocked me from bidding on any of his > > auctions. Actually he did me a favor, but not exactly the actions > > you'd expect from a reputable seller. > > > > One other thing, this seller implies in each ad that he does not > > respond to inquiries through Ebay's message system, only responding > > to messages directly to his email address. Item descriptions always > > are minimal, further encouraging questions and opportunities to > > mislead. He does this because Ebay will not take action against any > > seller arising from messaging outside of their system. Therefore, > > this seller can claim anything he wants without fear of consequences > > from Ebay. > > > > Please be very careful dealing with this seller. > > > > ****************************************************************** > > [Moderator's note: Please detail for us what characteristics are > absent from this piece leading you to identify it as a reproduction. > I'm sure a lot of us would like to know so we can avoid being scammed > in the future.] > > ****************************************************************** > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42633	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/23/2006
Subject: Re: What else I can do to improve performance?

**(( The 283 raises up in the front at a variety of places on both ovals. Should weight be added to the front? Or would a strong spring keeping the front truck assembly down be a better solution?))** Funny, I'm having the same problem with my 282 on my small loop around the tree. I've never had this problem before with this loco. Same track/roadbed I've used in past years. The pilot truck is popping up and off the rails. I added a weight, doesn't help. There is NO spring. I've ordered a few from Doug Peck. I must have some kinda low spot, high spot?? Beats me! Did the 282's, 283's, etc., originally have a spring? It's not shown, that I found, in Thomas Barker's book (parts & schematics). Rick. S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42634	From: tomminil@aol.com	Date: 12/23/2006
Subject: Re: What else I can do to improve performance?

All front trucks should have spring Merry Christmas Tom [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42635	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/23/2006
Subject: Re: Simmons reefer characteristics

To all. My thoughts on this is IF it where a prototype the seller would have listed it as such for a higher price. Now the only real issue I have with the seller he seems to take apart a lot of good engines. He may just be buying engines that need repair. I don't know. But they are his to sell anyway(Non Fraud) he wants to. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42636	From: Al Baker	Date: 12/23/2006
Subject: Re: Ebay seller alert - Simmons reefer - my experience

Hi All, I have bought from this seller 3 or 4 times over the past two years. I have never had a problem with the product that I received from him - it was at least as good as advertised. However, I have several, if not many times asked him questions, and perhaps only once did I get a reply. I once bought a small part for just a couple bucks and paid for it immediately by PayPal. He came back to me to tell me that I had not paid the $1.00 for insurance which HE requires on all PayPal transctions. I looked and saw that indeed he had stated that in his eBay ad. So I paid it, but sent him a message saying that I felt it was excessive to require the insurance on such a cheap item. In response, I got back a very harsh and nasty worded message from him. I let it drop. That was several months ago. About a month ago I decided to bid on another of his items, and found that I was blocked from bidding!! I couldn't believe it. (BTW, I have 100% feedback with over 200 transactions, both buying and selling.) So I sent a message to him asking why I was blocked. That was a month ago, I still have never got a reply. Al Baker Portland

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42637	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/23/2006
Subject: Re: How about a Sat. nite Chat tonite?

I'm up for it.........if I'm around. Rick. Hi everyone, Because Sunday is Christmas eve, and there are many events and family things going on, how about we do chat tonite instead for this week? Sorry about the short notice, it just came to me this AM. S' David D. S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42638	From: seg60133	Date: 12/23/2006
Subject: Re: Simmons reefer characteristics

Mike, Wow! You are very trusting, but thank you for making my point. The fact is, he didn't list it as a prototype, but was more than willing to imply that it was in a direct email to me outside of Ebay's messaging system. Obviously, it was not a prototype, but he was more than willing to have me believe that it was. How convenient. Steve --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, anormal1@... wrote: > > To all. My thoughts on this is IF it where a prototype the seller would have > listed it as such for a higher price. > Now the only real issue I have with the seller he seems to take apart a lot > of good engines. > He may just be buying engines that need repair. I don't know. > But they are his to sell anyway(Non Fraud) he wants to. Mike > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42639	From: atlantic300	Date: 12/23/2006
Subject: S-Helper Christmas car

Received this bulkhead car a few days ago and it is a terrific addition to the previous years S-Helper Christmas cars and engine. It is well made, colorful, and fun. Leon

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42640	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/23/2006
Subject: Re: What else I can do to improve performance?

I kinda figured they should have. Makes me wonder how long I've been missing mine. Seems I did try to replace it at one time. Didn't have much luck and I gave up! What a pain. All front trucks should have spring Merry Christmas Tom [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42641	From: Phil K	Date: 12/23/2006
Subject: Re: Simmons Reefer Auction

> Here is the Simmon's Reefer auction item > description: > > THE CAR IS IN CLEAN CONDITION. IT IS COMPLETE IN PARTS. IT APPEARS > TO BE A > SPECIAL ISSUE CAR. NICE FOR THE COLLECTION > > So, the seller can claim he never stated it was an original. This is >sometimes known as an "error of omission." Ask your insurance agent >about that, it's a sticky place for him/her!<< Agreed, David. Such auction descriptions on eBay may be "an error of omission" but my feeling is that providing a nebulous, misleading or incomplete listing is an intent to defraud -- especially if a seller refuses to answer legitimate questions from interested buyers. Remember the carefully-worded descriptions of those silly, chemically-aged American Flyer and Lionel calendars from the 1920s and 1940s that all had the same exact monthly pages intact? I don't think an eBay buyer should need to be able to read the "fine print" like a lawyer or decipher vague descriptions to make an informed purchase. I am not inferring or implying anything, but I stayed away from this auction because it seemed uncharacteristic that this particular seller was so painstakingly exacting while detailing the complicated terms of his auction yet so brief and nondescript with his listing information. In other words, while it may have been legit, to me it had a funny smell. And this buyer "bewared." Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42642	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 12/23/2006
Subject: Re: Christmas Open House

Merry Christmas to all and a report on Open House at Jax S Ville RR. Stan and Sharon Koci of Hutchinson, Minnesota recently visited and it was a pleasure to have them visit the Railroad, former fellow Pittsburgher Mark Mcguire came by along with some other friends, the highlight was the 1st thru 3rd graders from our Church's Sunday School, took two groups, boys and girls and the eyes of these little ones was worth it, even more so the adults who came with them were all aglow! the adult comment was, I haven't see a train display like this since I wss a kid back in some many wonderful places up north and out west. Share your trains and share the love of Christmas with all those around. MERRY CHRISTMAS Jerry Matsick Jacksonville PS - tonight it is open house to all of our neighbors and friends!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42643	From: muniman18	Date: 12/23/2006
Subject: re Simmons reefer

remember "if it's too good to be true... It ain't ..cavet emptor. Most important everyone have a wounderful holliday And no matter what GOD you worship I hope HE or "SHE"grants you the peace you all deserve P.S. MY 293 is smokin up the basement I'm 11 years old again. What's cooking Mom ??

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42644	From: Dale Smith	Date: 12/23/2006
Subject: Re: Ebay seller alert - Simmons reefer - my experience

While his feedback is over 34000, many of those represented multiple items sold to the same bidder. His total feedback is over 74000. With that kind of volume, I don't think the chances of EBay taking action against this guy are too good no matter what he does. He is a cash cow for them even though a small one in comparison to the entire operation. He is operating on the edge. Nothing that he could be sanctioned for, except maybe this habit of excluding bidders who express any disagreement with him. Perhaps that is how he keeps his high positive feedback, by excluding anyone who might possibly expose some of his errors of omission or not do everything his way. Even so, proving such a practice would involve everyone trading notes, like many are doing her, but on a much larger scale. Dale Smith ----- Original Message ----- From: Al Baker To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2006 10:58 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Ebay seller alert - Simmons reefer - my experience Hi All, I have bought from this seller 3 or 4 times over the past two years. I have never had a problem with the product that I received from him - it was at least as good as advertised. However, I have several, if not many times asked him questions, and perhaps only once did I get a reply. I once bought a small part for just a couple bucks and paid for it immediately by PayPal. He came back to me to tell me that I had not paid the $1.00 for insurance which HE requires on all PayPal transctions. I looked and saw that indeed he had stated that in his eBay ad. So I paid it, but sent him a message saying that I felt it was excessive to require the insurance on such a cheap item. In response, I got back a very harsh and nasty worded message from him. I let it drop. That was several months ago. About a month ago I decided to bid on another of his items, and found that I was blocked from bidding!! I couldn't believe it. (BTW, I have 100% feedback with over 200 transactions, both buying and selling.) So I sent a message to him asking why I was blocked. That was a month ago, I still have never got a reply. Al Baker Portland [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42645	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 12/23/2006
Subject: Re;How about a Sat. nite Chat tonite?

I would imagine y'all will start up around the usual time? 8PM Eastern? I'll tune in tomorrow night too as usual. Stumpy in Appalachia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42646	From: Richard Hosmer	Date: 12/23/2006
Subject: Re: Simmons Reefer Auction

Guys, and girls: I'm basically a "lurker" here, but, ferhevvins sake, enough already! IMHO, there seem to be two truths evident with regard to this issue: (1) this guy is a scumbag - just STOP doing business with him! And, don't make excuses for his OBVIOUSLY less than up-front practices, by saying that his feedback is so high he is entitled to a few gripers. The two are, when you stop to think about it long enough, really not related at all. (2) Ebay will do virtually NOTHING to the "big sellers" - they are their bread and butter. The ONLY way to express your disapproval is to withhold your patronage. Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to all!! Dick Hosmer Gilbert 3/16" 1939-41

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42647	From: g94a95	Date: 12/23/2006
Subject: Simmons Reefer

All this about the seller, what about the poor fella that got duped. I know what I would do if it I was in his shoes.........

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42648	From: keefer1	Date: 12/23/2006
Subject: Re: Ebay seller alert - Simmons reefer - my experience

Actually 34000 is not multiple positive feedback from anyone. Anyone that left more than one positive feedback only counts once.As for action by EBAY against him , it would have to come from someone he cheated,you don't have a dog in the fight, or in legal terms , you have no standing.He has the right under EBAY rules to block anyone for any reason, so you could complain all you want EBAY won't force any seller to unblock anyone. Keith --- Dale Smith <dfsmith26@...> wrote: > While his feedback is over 34000, many of those > represented multiple items sold to the same bidder. > His total feedback is over 74000. With that kind of > volume, I don't think the chances of EBay taking > action against this guy are too good no matter what > he does. He is a cash cow for them even though a > small one in comparison to the entire operation. He > is operating on the edge. Nothing that he could be > sanctioned for, except maybe this habit of excluding > bidders who express any disagreement with him. > Perhaps that is how he keeps his high positive > feedback, by excluding anyone who might possibly > expose some of his errors of omission or not do > everything his way. Even so, proving such a > practice would involve everyone trading notes, like > many are doing her, but on a much larger scale. > > Dale Smith > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Al Baker > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2006 10:58 AM > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Ebay seller alert - > Simmons reefer - my experience > > > Hi All, > I have bought from this seller 3 or 4 times over > the past two > years. I have never had a problem with the product > that I received > from him - it was at least as good as advertised. > > However, I have several, if not many times asked > him questions, and > perhaps only once did I get a reply. I once bought > a small part for > just a couple bucks and paid for it immediately by > PayPal. He came > back to me to tell me that I had not paid the > $1.00 for insurance > which HE requires on all PayPal transctions. I > looked and saw that > indeed he had stated that in his eBay ad. So I > paid it, but sent > him a message saying that I felt it was excessive > to require the > insurance on such a cheap item. In response, I got > back a very > harsh and nasty worded message from him. I let it > drop. That was > several months ago. About a month ago I decided to > bid on another of > his items, and found that I was blocked from > bidding!! I couldn't > believe it. (BTW, I have 100% feedback with over > 200 transactions, > both buying and selling.) So I sent a message to > him asking why I > was blocked. That was a month ago, I still have > never got a reply. > > Al Baker > Portland > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42649	From: Stan	Date: 12/23/2006
Subject: Re: Ebay seller alert - Simmons reefer - my experience

Hi I have purchased several items from this seller before and all have been discribed well and were accurate this seller is honest. thanks stan 9432 ----- Original Message ----- From: Al Baker To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2006 1:58 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Ebay seller alert - Simmons reefer - my experience Hi All, I have bought from this seller 3 or 4 times over the past two years. I have never had a problem with the product that I received from him - it was at least as good as advertised. However, I have several, if not many times asked him questions, and perhaps only once did I get a reply. I once bought a small part for just a couple bucks and paid for it immediately by PayPal. He came back to me to tell me that I had not paid the $1.00 for insurance which HE requires on all PayPal transctions. I looked and saw that indeed he had stated that in his eBay ad. So I paid it, but sent him a message saying that I felt it was excessive to require the insurance on such a cheap item. In response, I got back a very harsh and nasty worded message from him. I let it drop. That was several months ago. About a month ago I decided to bid on another of his items, and found that I was blocked from bidding!! I couldn't believe it. (BTW, I have 100% feedback with over 200 transactions, both buying and selling.) So I sent a message to him asking why I was blocked. That was a month ago, I still have never got a reply. Al Baker Portland [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42650	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/23/2006
Subject: Re: Ebay seller alert - Simmons reefer - my experience

Dale & All, The only real violation is including his e-mail address & asking not to use the E-Bay message center. Mike PS: I wrote him & asked to be blocked :) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42651	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 12/23/2006
Subject: Re;What else can I do to improve performance?

If lacking the required spring, you could try a little lead weight. It probably won't take much, and be careful where you place it to keep the pilot truck balanced. Most HO engines are made with no spring for the pilot truck, so we often had to weight them. Now if y'all are running an oval track and turning left, ya' can crank in some left side bias weight wise, like we do at the speedway! Check the rule book first as most tracks don't allow more than 60% on the left side. You might try some stagger by putting drivers off a 342/343 on the left and drivers off a 282/283 on the right. She'll really lean into the turns with that much stagger. For really fine tuning of the chassis, take 'er to the shop and have weight jackers installed! Stumpy Stone...go fast, turn left...Martins Ferry, Ahia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42652	From: keefer1	Date: 12/23/2006
Subject: Re: Simmons Reefer Auction

What a bold statement to make, since most of the people that have posted as a buyer from him are satisfied. --- Richard Hosmer <rahosmer@...> wrote: > Guys, and girls: > > I'm basically a "lurker" here, but, ferhevvins sake, > enough already! > > IMHO, there seem to be two truths evident with > regard to this issue: > > (1) this guy is a scumbag - just STOP doing business > with him! And, don't > make excuses for his OBVIOUSLY less than up-front > practices, by saying that > his feedback is so high he is entitled to a few > gripers. The two are, when > you stop to think about it long enough, really not > related at all. > > (2) Ebay will do virtually NOTHING to the "big > sellers" - they are their > bread and butter. The ONLY way to express your > disapproval is to withhold > your patronage. > > Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to all!! > > Dick Hosmer > Gilbert 3/16" 1939-41 > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42653	From: clayton deich	Date: 12/23/2006
Subject: Re: Ebay seller alert - Simmons reefer - my experience

I have picked up parts from this seller on ebay, and I am very happy the way the deal went down. I also gave him good feedback too. I know how much I'm willing to pay for something at the start of the bid, and if any one wants the item bad they can try to out bid me. That's how it works. I don't always end up with the item, and I don't feel like I over paid for the item. Clayton S.D. --- keefer1 <keefer1_us@...> wrote: > Actually 34000 is not multiple positive feedback > from > anyone. Anyone that left more than one positive > feedback only counts once.As for action by EBAY > against him , it would have to come from someone he > cheated,you don't have a dog in the fight, or in > legal > terms , you have no standing.He has the right under > EBAY rules to block anyone for any reason, so you > could complain all you want EBAY won't force any > seller to unblock anyone. Keith > --- Dale Smith <dfsmith26@...> wrote: > > > While his feedback is over 34000, many of those > > represented multiple items sold to the same > bidder. > > His total feedback is over 74000. With that kind > of > > volume, I don't think the chances of EBay taking > > action against this guy are too good no matter > what > > he does. He is a cash cow for them even though a > > small one in comparison to the entire operation. > He > > is operating on the edge. Nothing that he could > be > > sanctioned for, except maybe this habit of > excluding > > bidders who express any disagreement with him. > > Perhaps that is how he keeps his high positive > > feedback, by excluding anyone who might possibly > > expose some of his errors of omission or not do > > everything his way. Even so, proving such a > > practice would involve everyone trading notes, > like > > many are doing her, but on a much larger scale. > > > > Dale Smith > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Al Baker > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2006 10:58 AM > > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Ebay seller alert - > > Simmons reefer - my experience > > > > > > Hi All, > > I have bought from this seller 3 or 4 times over > > the past two > > years. I have never had a problem with the > product > > that I received > > from him - it was at least as good as > advertised. > > > > However, I have several, if not many times asked > > him questions, and > > perhaps only once did I get a reply. I once > bought > > a small part for > > just a couple bucks and paid for it immediately > by > > PayPal. He came > > back to me to tell me that I had not paid the > > $1.00 for insurance > > which HE requires on all PayPal transctions. I > > looked and saw that > > indeed he had stated that in his eBay ad. So I > > paid it, but sent > > him a message saying that I felt it was > excessive > > to require the > > insurance on such a cheap item. In response, I > got > > back a very > > harsh and nasty worded message from him. I let > it > > drop. That was > > several months ago. About a month ago I decided > to > > bid on another of > > his items, and found that I was blocked from > > bidding!! I couldn't > > believe it. (BTW, I have 100% feedback with over > > 200 transactions, > > both buying and selling.) So I sent a message to > > him asking why I > > was blocked. That was a month ago, I still have > > never got a reply. > > > > Al Baker > > Portland > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42654	From: Scaler164	Date: 12/23/2006
Subject: Re: Happy Holidays

Note what appears to be a DCC control at the foot of the side-table. Hey Bill, you got the Christmas Tree running on DC along with the train? LOL!!! John Degnan Scaler164@... Southeast Georgia S SCALER ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Lane To: brasscollectors@yahoogroups.com ; Pennsylvania Railroad ; Pennsy Modeler ; S Scale List ; S Scale Model Railraoding ; S Trains Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2006 8:22 AM Subject: Happy Holidays Hi All, Here is our on line Holiday Greetings for this year. http://mywebpages.comcast.net/billlane/Bill_Lane_Christmas_2006.jpg I know some of you may be thinking, "Bill, this looks a lot like last year's on line Holiday greeting." Well it is true that they are somewhat similar, but I can assure you that the engine, caboose and or course the tree are new. 2007 may be different because Donna has increasingly been saying she wants a house. Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays to all. Thank You, Bill & Donna Lane Modeling the Mighty Pennsy in 1957 in S Scale since 1988 See my finished models at: http://www.lanestrains.com Look at what has been made in PRR in S Scale! Importing a Brass S Scale PRR X29 & G26 http://www.pennsysmodels.com PRR Builders Photos Bought, Sold & Traded (Trading is MUCH preferred) http://mywebpages.comcast.net/billlane/PRRphotos.xls ***Join the PRR T&HS*** The other members are not ALL like me! http://www.prrths.com http://mywebpages.comcast.net/billlane/PRRTHS_Application.pdf See my Altoona train videos here http://www.myspace.com/billlane [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42655	From: LARRY MOORE	Date: 12/23/2006
Subject: Merry Christmas

To all the group, It has been a great year, acquiring more Flyer items, reading the never ending saga of brand new engines that don't perform to the max, and anticipating what Stumpy will come up with next. Bottom line is we all enjoy "playing with our trains" regardless if we are a purist or a kit basher. Me I am devoted to keeping American Flyer alive and kicking as a small part of Americana and it's culture. We were given these trains when we were 4 or 5 maybe 6 year olds. They had small parts, sharp pointy things on the ends of the track pieces, and live electricity running from the transformers, and miracle of miracles we survived. I will stop rambling now, and just wish everyone and their families a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year. I turned 59 yesterday, but I can't wait till Christmas morning to see if there is a new train piece under the tree. On a more serious note please don't forget that Jesus is the reason for this Joyous Season. Thanks, Larry Moore _________________________________________________________________ Get live scores and news about your team: Add the Live.com Football Page www.live.com/?addtemplate=football&icid=T001MSN30A0701

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42656	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/24/2006
Subject: Re: THAT E_BAY GUY

This is what he wrote me about the "PROTOTYPE" boxcar: YES HE WAS QUITE PLEASED THAT WE BLOCKED SO CALLED "IDIOT QUESTION BIDDERS " FROM THE AUCTION. AS WE HAVE OVER 100,000 COMPLETED AUCTIONS UNDER OUR BELT WE CAN SMELL A DEADBEAT BIDDER A MILE AWAY!!!!!!!! AND YOU EASILY QUALIFIED. YOU KNOW VERY LITTLE ABOUT HOW EBAY WORKS AND EVEN LESS ABOUT TRAINS. DO YOURSELF A FAVOR QUIT THE SOBBING BECAUSE YOU COULD NOT HAVE AFFORDED SUCH A RARE ITEM AND YOU WHERE NOT SMART ENOUGH TO KNOW A FAKE FROM AN ULTRA RARE ORIGIANL!!!!!!! Quite the business man. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42657	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 12/24/2006
Subject: Flyer Smoke Units

Just thought I would change the subject to something of interest. How many smoke units did Gilbert make for S gauge? Most will say three. No, there were four. One was the smoke in-tender unit. Two was the unit for the Franklin & Docksider. Three, the most common, smoke in boiler unit. Four, well those who have worked in the smoke unit in the new Nothern will recognize it. Number four is the late production unit, used in the last smoking engines that Gilbert made. It' very different from the standard smoke in boiler units. Lionel used this setup in the new Northern. Included here are pictures of both, can you pick out the differences? Harwood [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42658	From: Robert Graves	Date: 12/24/2006
Subject: A very Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!

My trains and I wish you all the best during this Holiday Season and in the New Year. I appreciate your help and friendship. I wouldn't be where I am without you! A very Merry Christmas and the Happiest New Year ever! Bob __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42659	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/24/2006
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas

Larry, I too was stricken by 59 yesterday. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42660	From: mvandiver2@aol.com	Date: 12/24/2006
Subject: Check out AOL Pictures - Slideshow

Hoping that everyone has a meaningful holiday season. We are presently living in a rather small parsonage and I had to put my layout up in one spare bedroom. We have had lots of friends, neighbors and relatives to come see the trains as well five day care groups. Peace to all. Mike Vandiver _Click here: AOL Pictures - Slideshow_ (http://pictures.aol.com/ap/slideshow.do?albumId=15591.1649.1166921153862.1&shareInfo=) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42661	From: johnm_63379	Date: 12/24/2006
Subject: MERRY CHRISTMAS AND HAPPY NEW YEAR

TO ALL OF US BIG KIDS THAT ENJOY OUR "S" GA MODEL TRAINS, I WISH YOU ALL A MERRY CHRISTMAS AND A HEALTHY/WEALTHY NRW YEAR.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42662	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 12/24/2006
Subject: Flyer Smoke Units - Sorry

Sorry about the pictures, will have to send them as an attachment, had included them in the email. Harwood [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42663	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 12/24/2006
Subject: HAPPY HOLIDAYS, Y'ALL

We've been having a lot of computer problems in the past 24 hours. I think it is mostly this "two tin cans and a string" internet outfit we're on. Too much traffic for their lame equipment. It messed me up for getting on and staying on Chat last night. Hopefully I'll have better luck today, but who knows? While things are working let me wish everyone the Happiest of Holidays! Stumpy Stone...having my Christmas spirit challenged by Comcast...Martins Ferry, Ahia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42664	From: hop	Date: 12/24/2006
Subject: Re: Check out AOL Pictures - Slideshow

I�m sorry but when I click on the link I get a You do not have permission to perform the requested action. _____ The incident code for this error is : papp-d08.43775209568. And that�s all folks! Merry Christmas! _____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mvandiver2@... Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2006 8:22 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Check out AOL Pictures - Slideshow come see the trains as well five day care groups. Peace to all. Mike Vandiver _Click here: AOL Pictures - Slideshow_ (HYPERLINK "http://pictures.aol.com/ap/slideshow.do?albumId=15591.1649.1166921153862.1& shareInfo="http://pictures.-aol.com/ap/-slideshow.-do?albumId=-15591.1649.-1 166921153862.-1&shareInfo=) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.15.26/598 - Release Date: 12/22/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.15.26/598 - Release Date: 12/22/2006 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42665	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/24/2006
Subject: 21129,21130 Weirdness

I am wondering why when I hooked up a 21130 engine, only to a tender of a 21129, that the engine does not run, as I would think the electrical properties are the same? Then I have two 21129's as I tried to hook one engine only to the other tender and all I get is a noise, that tells me, better cut the power off before I burn these things up. Any clue why these are not inter changeable, especially a 21129 for a 21129 tender? Thanks, Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42666	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 12/24/2006
Subject: Re: THAT E_BAY GUY

I was wondering, is this guy a TCA member? If so, he is bound by his membership to abide by grading standards as prescribed by the standards committee, even when selling on ebay. Does this person have a name? Harwood [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42667	From: seg60133	Date: 12/24/2006
Subject: Re: THAT E_BAY GUY

Mike, I guess I got off easy! This would be really funny, if some poor guy didn't get screwed out of $600 for the Simmons. Is this guy the definition of arrogance or what? Considering the number of "IDIOT QUESTION BIDDERS" from this group that mwinternetauctionsonmain (aka Brian Wilson) has blocked from his auctions, we could start a club. If you think about it, he has cleverly developed a system of sifting out skeptics, leaving behind mostly suckers. His system also has the added benefit of keeping his feedback high and trouble from Ebay low. In my 10 years on Ebay, I've never encountered a seller quite like this one. Merry Christmas to all! Steve --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, anormal1@... wrote: > > This is what he wrote me about the "PROTOTYPE" boxcar: > YES HE WAS QUITE PLEASED THAT WE BLOCKED SO CALLED "IDIOT QUESTION BIDDERS " > FROM THE AUCTION. AS WE HAVE OVER 100,000 COMPLETED AUCTIONS UNDER OUR BELT > WE CAN SMELL A DEADBEAT BIDDER A MILE AWAY!!!!!!!! AND YOU EASILY QUALIFIED. > YOU KNOW VERY LITTLE ABOUT HOW EBAY WORKS AND EVEN LESS ABOUT TRAINS. DO > YOURSELF A FAVOR QUIT THE SOBBING BECAUSE YOU COULD NOT HAVE AFFORDED SUCH A > RARE ITEM AND YOU WHERE NOT SMART ENOUGH TO KNOW A FAKE FROM AN ULTRA RARE > ORIGIANL!!!!!!! > Quite the business man. Mike > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42668	From: tomminil@aol.com	Date: 12/24/2006
Subject: Re: Ebay seller alert - Simmons reefer - my experience

Merry Christmas all. Seems like someone has ruffeled many feathers. What acction does this pertain to Tom -----Original Message----- From: anormal1@... To: dfsmith26@... Cc: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, 23 Dec 2006 4:08 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Ebay seller alert - Simmons reefer - my experience Dale & All, The only real violation is including his e-mail address & asking not to use the E-Bay message center. Mike PS: I wrote him & asked to be blocked :) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42669	From: paflyrman	Date: 12/24/2006
Subject: Chimney question

Do the 593 signal towers use the same chimney (painted black) as the 630 cabooses ? Can't seem to find any parts dealers who list a replacement chimney for the 593. Thanks, Paflyrman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42670	From: jimensign50@aol.com	Date: 12/24/2006
Subject: Re: What else I can do to improve performance?

I had the same problem with a 283 a year or so ago. I, too, wondered if there should be a spring on it. Looked at my 287, which is almost identical and it didn't have a spring either, so I gave up on that idea. I did discover that one of the pilot wheels was loose on the axle and that allowed it to slide in and out of gauge. I put a drop of glue on the inside of the wheel and carefully re-gauged it. That seems to have cured the problem for my engine. Good luck. I enjoy both my 283 and 287 as they are both good reliable little operators. MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL AND A HAPPY NEW TRAIN YEAR!! Jim E. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42671	From: seg60133	Date: 12/24/2006
Subject: Re: THAT E_BAY GUY

This is the response I got from mwinternetauctionsonmain on the Simmons: IF YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE AUCTION THEN DO NOT BID. IF YOU THINK YOU KNOW EVERY CHARACTERASTIC ABOUT AMERICAN FLYER THEN CONGRATULATIONS TO YOU!! BUT THAT IS WHY RARE ITEMS SUCH AS PROTO TYPES ARE TEST ITEMS HAVE SUCH HIGH VALUES AND YOU WOULD PROBABLY BE MORE COMFORTABLE WITH A REGULAR PRODUCTION RUN ITEM.!!! Prototype, original, or original prototype? And he only put a $150 reserve on this item? None of his claims here were listed in his item description. Steve --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, anormal1@... wrote: > > This is what he wrote me about the "PROTOTYPE" boxcar: > YES HE WAS QUITE PLEASED THAT WE BLOCKED SO CALLED "IDIOT QUESTION BIDDERS " > FROM THE AUCTION. AS WE HAVE OVER 100,000 COMPLETED AUCTIONS UNDER OUR BELT > WE CAN SMELL A DEADBEAT BIDDER A MILE AWAY!!!!!!!! AND YOU EASILY QUALIFIED. > YOU KNOW VERY LITTLE ABOUT HOW EBAY WORKS AND EVEN LESS ABOUT TRAINS. DO > YOURSELF A FAVOR QUIT THE SOBBING BECAUSE YOU COULD NOT HAVE AFFORDED SUCH A > RARE ITEM AND YOU WHERE NOT SMART ENOUGH TO KNOW A FAKE FROM AN ULTRA RARE > ORIGIANL!!!!!!! > Quite the business man. Mike > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42672	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 12/24/2006
Subject: Flyer Smoke Units, opps

I forgot the unit that came in the Casey Jones engine, thanks Clayton. The part number is PA30C106 and it is out of #21168. So there are five total. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42673	From: jhwysopal	Date: 12/24/2006
Subject: Christmas memories

My son's, Jake,second grade class came one year to view my AF layout. They were all quite impressed, especially the boys. Of course my wife served cookies. This was about 20 years ago. This year, Jake told me when he came home for Christmas, that he met one of boys, Scott, who came to visit us years ago. Jake had not seen him in years and the first thing Scott asked Jake is if his father still had the train layout. He was still impressed by all the operating accessories and action cars. As a thank you for letting them come to visit, the teacher copied outlines of various freight cars and each kid wrote a thank you note on their car. Of course Jake had the steam engine. They were taped end to end. The train scroll of over 25 "cars" is one of my treasured possessions. Hoping to have some of the new neighborhood kids come to visit today. Happy holidays to all. Jim

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42674	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/24/2006
Subject: pilot wheels

***((( I did discover that one of the pilot wheels was loose on the axle and that allowed it to slide in and out of gauge. I put a drop of glue on the inside of the wheel and carefully re-gauged it. That seems to have cured the problem for my engine.))*** That brings up a good point Jim. I wondered about loose wheels last night. I was looking at the pilot wheels on my 282 and they are loose on the axle. So I checked my 21085 and the wheels are tight on the axle. I checked my 356 and the wheels are loose. The wheels on the 21085 look like they are attached to the axle differently, or is it just me? I checked my 302 and the wheels are loose. The wheels on my 282 seem to have a LOT of play in them. So, my question is, should the wheels be "fixed" to the axle?? Were they at one time? My 282 just worn out and too much play in the pilot wheels? Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42675	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 12/24/2006
Subject: Christmas

Merry Christmas from us to all of you. Steve & Sam SnS Trains Boise [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42676	From: tomminil@aol.com	Date: 12/24/2006
Subject: Re: 21129,21130 Weirdness

Is it possible to reverse the plug wires Mery Christmas Tom -----Original Message----- From: mlmarmer@... To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com; ralcor888@... Sent: Sun, 24 Dec 2006 9:08 AM Subject: [S-Trains] 21129,21130 Weirdness I am wondering why when I hooked up a 21130 engine, only to a tender of a 21129, that the engine does not run, as I would think the electrical properties are the same? Then I have two 21129's as I tried to hook one engine only to the other tender and all I get is a noise, that tells me, better cut the power off before I burn these things up. Any clue why these are not inter changeable, especially a 21129 for a 21129 tender? Thanks, Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42677	From: John and Maria Harvey	Date: 12/25/2006
Subject: Season's Greetings

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year from Downunder. May your AF loco smoke and choo-choo forever! Best Wishes, John Harvey

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42678	From: The LANIERs	Date: 12/25/2006
Subject: Re: EBAY -recent the Simmons--- why would you want a fake part

There is quite a difference in reproducing minor trim parts which make a larger original item complete, and generating a complete item with the intention of representing and selling it as if it were the rare genuine item. paflyrman -----Original Message----- >From: polpolk9 <polpolk9@...> >Sent: Dec 25, 2006 4:50 AM >To: paflyrman <4567@...> >Subject: EBAY -recent the Simmons--- why would you want a fake part > >Look at the couterfeits on Ebay--recent the SIMMONS---make your own >chimney --its better than the fake repro products & if you insure your >trains and a damage claim is submitted --you will lose if they find out >u use repro fakes -because thet y cam n clam & proove deceit on your >end. Be wise -its yiur money & character 7 reutation on what you own. -- >- >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42679	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 12/25/2006
Subject: Smoke Units Attachment Pictures

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Note from a moderator.... All attachments are automatically stripped by Yahoo. You need to post these to the Photo sections at http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos or post in S-Scale.org at http://s-scale.org/albums/main.php Then post the link or location in a message. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42680	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 12/25/2006
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] Merry Christmas

Anyone else in the group have a Birthday on Dec. 22? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42681	From: ruth.leahy@colorado.edu	Date: 12/25/2006
Subject: White Christmas

Last week in Boulder, Colorado, we had approximately 32" of snow. It is great weather to say home and play with the trains. Here is wishing you a "White Christmas too, and keep those trains moving. Mike Leahy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42682	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 12/25/2006
Subject: Smoke Unit Pics now in Photo section

Well finally, installed five pictures in the photo section under "Flyer Smoke Units". Sorry for the delay. Merry Christmas _http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/browse/8315?c_ (http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/browse/8315?c) = Harwood [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42683	From: David Dewey	Date: 12/25/2006
Subject: Pilot Wheels & smoke units

Merry Christmas all. Just sent Linda off to work, so I'm sitting at the computer checking email, etc. Will work on the organ console platform today--the house smells of polyeurathane finish! ACG drive wheels came two ways, Fixed to the axle, and loose on the axle. I can't tell you which locos, etc. but you can tell easily, as the loose on the axle ones have an axle with the end "mushed out" to keep the wheels on. Interesting comment on the smoke units. I haven't torn into my 800 to look at it. I am aware of the following smoke units: SIT, bellows and piston types, also there was an HO version of this, slightly smaller. I've heard it was used in the SIT 0-8-0 loco HO smoke in boiler unit, used in the Frontiersman, docksider, and the HO locos SIB unit, two styles, one with bottom plate and heating coil goes from side to side, second with no seperate bottom plate, heating coil goes from front to back. Casey Jones unit --Totaly different, piston drive gear on unit, and headlight too. There may be something else I haven't seen! S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42684	From: Roy Inman	Date: 12/25/2006
Subject: Slightly off topic, but important

Christmas greetings and warm holiday wishes to everyone!!! Sorry for the slightly off topic post, but for folks such as us-AKA, people who love things train-it is IMHO, important. The Texas State Railroad that makes tourist excursion runs from Rusk to Palestine and back is in danger of closing. Some of the railroad's equipment was used in the movie "Oh brother where art thou" and a number of other films. I have ridden it myself, and it is a grand experience. There are not many places where passengers can experience two steam locomotives passing each other and switching tracks. Awesome sight. There are several trestles along the 25 mile route. Anyway, even if most of you will never ride the train, I might suggest that you consider signing the petition to save the line. It is a part of the history of railroading in America and one of the best run of its type. A signature would maybe help preserve this historic operation. www.texasstaterailroad.com/ ...If you want to find out more about the railroad and perhaps sign the petition. And to keep it a little closer to on-topic, the four operating steam locomotives (and one on static display) wold make an excellent S scale or hi-rail centerpieces around which to model a point to point operation. The loco roster also includes four diesels. There are lots of woods and streams, an engine house, a complete steam repair shop, plus a wonderful restored depot/gift shop. I have considered such a layout myself... Roy Inman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42685	From: Robert A Persing	Date: 12/25/2006
Subject: Re: White Christmas

I wish it was snowing not raining here in Sunbury Pa. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year. Bob Persing ----- Original Message ----- From: ruth.leahy@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 25, 2006 10:26 AM Subject: [S-Trains] White Christmas Last week in Boulder, Colorado, we had approximately 32" of snow. It is great weather to say home and play with the trains. Here is wishing you a "White Christmas too, and keep those trains moving. Mike Leahy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42686	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/25/2006
Subject: 21129,21130 weirdness

I hope everyone had a great Christmas. I want to thank Mike and Tom for emailing me about my engine problem, as Mike wanted to know if I had them plugged in right and Tom said to try reversing the plugs. I thought they were both crazy, as of course, I had it plugged in right and reverse the plug when it worked okay on the original tenders. JUST KIDDING MIKE AND TOM. But you know, I tried Tom's advise and success. Who would of thought this, as you would think it would be standard wiring. I learned something new. Now, I need to figure out how to keep the reverse lever from falling down, as it loosen up, as I was fooling with these engines. Is there someway to tighten up the pin holding it on to the reverse unit. Also, can a speaker be placed into a tender of a 21130, so that the steam whistle unit will work? Thanks, Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42687	From: tomminil@aol.com	Date: 12/25/2006
Subject: Re: 21129,21130 weirdness

YOU are welcome Merry Christmas to all Tom -----Original Message----- From: mlmarmer@... To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com; ralcor888@...; Anormal1@...; tomminil@... Sent: Mon, 25 Dec 2006 8:29 PM Subject: 21129,21130 weirdness I hope everyone had a great Christmas. I want to thank Mike and Tom for emailing me about my engine problem, as Mike wanted to know if I had them plugged in right and Tom said to try reversing the plugs. I thought they were both crazy, as of course, I had it plugged in right and reverse the plug when it worked okay on the original tenders. JUST KIDDING MIKE AND TOM. But you know, I tried Tom's advise and success. Who would of thought this, as you would think it would be standard wiring. I learned something new. Now, I need to figure out how to keep the reverse lever from falling down, as it loosen up, as I was fooling with these engines. Is there someway to tighten up the pin holding it on to the reverse unit. Also, can a speaker be placed into a tender of a 21130, so that the steam whistle unit will work? Thanks, Mike Marmer = ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42688	From: Mark Preman	Date: 12/26/2006
Subject: Tampa, Florida Train Show This Weekend

In case you are travelling the area, The Great Train Expo will be at the Tampa Fairgrounds this coming Saturday and Sunday. Hope to see you there! Mark http://www.americanflyertrains.com Mark B. Preman AmericanFlyerTrains.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42689	From: Phil K	Date: 12/26/2006
Subject: Flyer layout in St. Louis department store

Photos: http://www.trains.com/TRC/CS/forums/985974/ShowPost.aspx

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42690	From: lou342ac	Date: 12/26/2006
Subject: Boxes

Can someone list the first year usage of the various boxes that ACG issued for American Flyer trains. Thanks, Lou Baldi

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42691	From: Bill Lane	Date: 12/26/2006
Subject: S Helper Service on MySpace

Hi All, I have uploaded 2 videos I shot of my S Helper Service B&O 2-8-0 with the Tsunami sound unit running under my Christmas tree to my video section of my MySpace account. http://www.myspace.com/billlane Please give it a look and make sure you have your speakers on! You can get a bit of the Doppler effect like you are really standing trackside! I may add 1 or 2 more tonight or tomorrow. I think you have to have a MySpace account to view it though. At least we could add a few more train fans to the 145 million other people there! Thank You, Bill Lane Modeling the Mighty Pennsy in 1957 in S Scale since 1988 See my finished models at: http://www.lanestrains.com Look at what has been made in PRR in S Scale! Importing a Brass S Scale PRR X29 & G26 http://www.pennsysmodels.com PRR Builders Photos Bought, Sold & Traded (Trading is MUCH preferred) http://mywebpages.comcast.net/billlane/PRRphotos.xls ***Join the PRR T&HS*** The other members are not ALL like me! http://www.prrths.com http://mywebpages.comcast.net/billlane/PRRTHS_Application.pdf See my Altoona train videos here http://www.myspace.com/billlane

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42692	From: David Dewey	Date: 12/26/2006
Subject: Re21129 &21130 weirdnes & all other late plug in tenders

Mike, et al; The reason the plug wiring is so critical on these is that for the first time in ACG design, the locomotive chasis is intentionally "hot"--that is, it is a part of the circuit. The drawbar to the front truck is no longer insulated, and so, the chassis is picking up power from that truck. Now, this connection is not the greatest, so it is like a lucas electrical switch--flicker! If your locomotive does the "two-position reverse uint hustle" in unexpected spots on your track, it could be a reverse wired plug, or one drive wheel touching the chassis, providing a momentary short. I had a 21185 drove me crazy like that, found out the trailing truck body would touch a rail once in a while! AAAURGH!! It really liked switch frogs! I'd have to get out some stored reference books to tell you which wire is supposed to go where. Don't forget, the wiring cross-over could be inside the tender! Hmm, good idea Mike, look inside your tenders and see if they are wired differently. BTW, yes there should be plenty of room in the tender for a ACG whistle speaker--but even more complex, how about a sound card??? Hmmmm..... Hey Steve, what'ya got fer that?? :) S' David D. PS Happy post-Christmas

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42693	From: Phil K	Date: 12/26/2006
Subject: Re: Boxes

Go here. It's already been done. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/34159 If you need info on set boxes, the late Bob Tufts had done the best reference book I've seen on the subject -- but there still were exceptions. Bob listed hundreds of different set boxes used to pack American Flyer. There often was no rhyme or reason to what Gilbert did. Phil K ********************************************************* > Can someone list the first year usage of the various boxes that ACG > issued for American Flyer trains. > Thanks, > Lou Baldi >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42694	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/26/2006
Subject: Re: Re21129 &21130 weirdnes & all other late plug in tenders

David & all, Is this the reason for the fifth wire? Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42695	From: David Dewey	Date: 12/26/2006
Subject: Re: Re21129 &21130 weirdnes & all other late plug in tenders

MIke The fifth wire is a direct line to the smoke unit & headlight, so the smoke unit will start smoking faster. The return wire goes to the left brush cap and from there through the four pin plug to the tender, and then to one of the trucks (I think front, but not certain). The chassis is still isolated. I'm not certain why the late chassis are hot, think it was just cheaper to make them that way--no insulating washers and spacers needed for the drawbar. Theoretically they could have used just one wire to the the tender then, except the drawbar connection is not solid. S' David [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42696	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/26/2006
Subject: Re: Re21129 &21130 weirdnes & all other late plug in tenders

David, Thanks for the reply to my question. Then explain this. O:)! Engine 1 will not work with tender of engine 2 and 3. Engine 2 and 3 will not work with tender 1. So, could engine and tender 1 be wired differently, as the wired on engine 1 has been replaced, but no wires on the tender have been replaced. You would think, if the wires one engine one is wrong, which could be the case, since it is not the original wire and was put back on wrong, but why would not engine 2 & 3 work with tender 1, if the wire on engine 1 are correct. I hope you follow all of this. Also, the reverse lever, on one engine, the one, that has a pin into to hold it to the reverse unit falls down. How do I tighten that up? Thanks for the information about the speaker, as I like the sound of it. I do not know how Steve's sounds. Oh, I got my two cars from the auction house, that had the Simmons reefer in question. My flat car with orange pipes are reproductions, as that was not stated in the description. He has a full money back refund except shipping. The caboose I got was fine. He charged me for insurance, as there was none. I notified him, that the flat car is coming back to him and to refund my insurance fee. I wont be using him in the future, as someone mentioned if he is in TCA and if he is, that he knows the standards. First of all, don't assume everyone on Ebay is a TCA member and basically, don't assume that TCA standards means anything to protect you, as I have learn before when dealing with several TCA members, whether on Ebay or somewhere else. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: David Dewey To: S-Trains@yahoogroupscom Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2006 1:31 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re21129 &21130 weirdnes & all other late plug in tenders Mike, et al; The reason the plug wiring is so critical on these is that for the first time in ACG design, the locomotive chasis is intentionally "hot"--that is, it is a part of the circuit. The drawbar to the front truck is no longer insulated, and so, the chassis is picking up power from that truck. Now, this connection is not the greatest, so it is like a lucas electrical switch--flicker! If your locomotive does the "two-position reverse uint hustle" in unexpected spots on your track, it could be a reverse wired plug, or one drive wheel touching the chassis, providing a momentary short. I had a 21185 drove me crazy like that, found out the trailing truck body would touch a rail once in a while! AAAURGH!! It really liked switch frogs! I'd have to get out some stored reference books to tell you which wire is supposed to go where. Don't forget, the wiring cross-over could be inside the tender! Hmm, good idea Mike, look inside your tenders and see if they are wired differently. BTW, yes there should be plenty of room in the tender for a ACG whistle speaker--but even more complex, how about a sound card??? Hmmmm..... Hey Steve, what'ya got fer that?? :) S' David D. PS Happy post-Christmas [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42697	From: garydmccullah	Date: 12/26/2006
Subject: S Hobby Shop

Sorry it took so long to post, but here is some info for those who live near Indianapolis, IN that I found right after Thanksgiving while returning from a visit to the in-laws. Big Four Hobbies (www.bigfourhobbies.com) in Plainfield, IN, has a relatively small selection of S Helper and Flyonel, including the 2004 Flyonel Christmas car and the 2003 S Helper. I may have the years reversed as I didn't write the info down. For the locals, this may be old news. Gary McCullah Farmington, AR

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42698	From: Lawrence Schliessmann	Date: 12/26/2006
Subject: FW: Forward from My Messages: Legal Notice

I received this message today from ebay and thought everyone who uses ebay might want to read it. Larry Schliessmann (noirbooks99) Lawrence Schliessmann eBay store noirbooks99 for great deals. schliess@... Why Wait? Move to EarthLink. ----- Original Message ----- From: eBay To: schliess@... Sent: 12/26/2006 8:25:13 PM Subject: Forward from My Messages: Legal Notice To:noirbooks99 From:eBay Subject:Legal Notice ------------------------------------------------------------ eBay sent this message to Lawrence Schliessmann (noirbooks99). Your registered name is included to show this message originated from eBay. Learn more. SUPERIOR COURT OF THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA COUNTY OF SANTA CLARA JOHN ROCKERS, MARK RAWLING and BRIAN MORK , On Behalf of Themselves and for the Benefit of All with the Common or General Interest, Any Persons Injured, and All Others Similarly Situated, Plaintiff, vs. EBAY, INC., et al., Defendants. ) ) ) ) ) ) ) ) ) ) Case No. 1:05-CV-035930 CLASS ACTION NOTICE OF SETTLEMENT OF CLASS ACTION DATE ACTION FILED: 02/17/05 THIS IS A LEGAL NOTICE. YOUR RIGHTS MAY BE AFFECTED. PLEASE READ IT CAREFULLY. To:All eBay users from February 16, 2001 to the present. If you claim to have been harmed by eBay raising the eBay bidder's existing bid where no higher competing bid had been made and where raising the bid was not necessary to meet a reserve minimum you are a Member of the "Class" and your rights may be affected by the proposed class action settlement of a lawsuit alleging that eBay would automatically increase in certain circumstances an existing bid where no competing bid had been made and where it was not necessary to meet a reserve minimum. eBay denies any and all of the contentions and allegations of wrongdoing relating to eBay's increasing an existing bid where no competing bid had been made and where it was not necessary to meet a reserve minimum, and denies that the Members of the Class have suffered any damage. This Notice summarizes the terms of the settlement, and explains your rights and options under the settlement. I.THE LAWSUIT On February 17, 2005, a complaint was filed by plaintiff Glenn Block in the Superior Court of the State of California County of Santa Clara ( the "Court") as a class action alleging that eBay's automatic increase in certain circumstances of an existing bid where no competing bid had been made and increasing the bid was not necessary to meet a minimum reserve was improper and artificially inflated the bids of eBay buyers, thus causing damage to eBay buyers (the "Action"). On April 17, 2006, an Amended Complaint which, among other things, substituted Plaintiffs John Rockers, Mark Rawling and Brian Mork for the original plaintiff was filed in the Court. The caption of the Action is Rockers v. eBay, Inc., et al., Case No. 1:05-CV-035930. II.THE SETTLEMENT TERMS The parties participated in mediation with the Honorable Read Ambler (Ret.) in an effort to resolve the Action. As a result of the mediation and in order to settle the allegations in the Action, eBay has agreed to cease the conduct alleged by making the following "curative disclosure" that is relative to the misrepresentations claimed by Plaintiffs: In response to a system prompt, if a high bidder attempts to raise his maximum bid when such bidder is then between bid increments, eBay shall first disclose to such bidder the exact amount of any resulting bid increase that would otherwise occur by virtue of the bidder raising the maximum bid. By way of illustration only and using the facts set forth in paragraph 23 of the Complaint, upon raising the maximum bid once plaintiff had reached his existing bid maximum of $111.00, eBay would disclose whether raising the maximum bid level would result in the $111.00 bid being raised to the next bid increment over the last competitive bid of $110.00 and, if so, specify the exact amount to which the bid would be raised - that is, $112.50. In addition, eBay has agreed to pay the sum of $2.1 million ("Settlement Fund"). The Settlement Fund will be distributed to one or more federally tax exempt charities chosen by Plaintiffs' Counsel and approved by the Court. None of the charities selected by Plaintiffs' Counsel and approved by the Court shall be directly or indirectly affiliated or associated with Plaintiffs or their counsel. Based on information provided by eBay to Plaintiffs' Counsel, the $2.1 million is estimated to be approximately 50% of the claimed damages and all other economic harm allegedly incurred by Members of the Class. Distribution of the Settlement Fund to charitable organizations is appropriate because any attempt to distribute the Settlement Fund to individual Members of the Class - whose average recovery would be less than $1.00 - would result in administrative costs that would consume any settlement proceeds. eBay has also agreed to separately pay Plaintiffs' Counsel $800,000 for past and anticipated future attorneys' fees and expenses regarding the Action, subject to Court approval ("Attorney Fees"). This amount was negotiated and agreed to after the substantive provisions of the settlement were reached and after the memorandum setting forth the material terms of the settlement was executed. Plaintiffs' Counsel, subject to Court approval, intend to pay up to $104,300.00 and $150,000.00 to Glenn Block (or Glenn Block, P.C.) and Daniel Block (or DSB Consulting, Inc.), respectively, for their expert services in this Action from the Attorney Fees. Glenn Block was the original plaintiff in the Action and provided technical assistance to Plaintiffs' Counsel regarding eBay's auction practices, the allegations in the Action, the calculation of damages and economic harm, and due diligence. Daniel Block is Glenn Block's son and provided computer, programming and data mining expertise that was otherwise unavailable to Plaintiffs in a timely and efficient manner. Their expertise was unique and necessary for the successful prosecution of the Action. eBay shall also separately pay, subject to Court approval, the three Plaintiffs named in the Amended Complaint, $1,000 to reimburse them for their time, costs and efforts in representing the Class. III.CONSEQUENCES OF THE SETTLEMENT If the Court approves the settlement, a judgment will be entered dismissing the lawsuit with prejudice against eBay and all of its past and present officers, directors, shareholders, employees, insures, agents, representatives, partners, joint-ventures, parents, subsidiaries, affiliates, and attorneys (the "Released Persons"). This means that Members of the Class will be barred from bringing their own lawsuit against any of the Released Persons relating to eBay's alleged practice of raising an eBay bidder's existing bid where no higher competing bid had been made, and where raising the bid was not necessary to meet a reserve minimum. If you do not want to be barred from bring your own lawsuit on such claims, you must validly and timely request exclusion from the Class, as set forth below. IV.YOUR OPTIONS If you are a Class Member, you have the following options: (A)Participate in the settlement. To participate in the settlement, you do not need to do anything. If the Court approves the settlement and the judgment is not successfully appealed, the terms of the settlement will be implemented. (B)Request exclusion from the Class and settlement. If you wish to be excluded from the Class and the settlement, you must send a written request for exclusion by regular or express mail, so that it is postmarked no later than January 30, 2007. Your exclusion request must include (1) your name, address, and telephone number; and (2) a statement that you wish to be excluded from the Class and settlement in Rockers v. eBay, Inc., et al., Case No. 1:05-CV-035930. If you submit a valid and timely exclusion request, you will not participate in the settlement. You will not be bound by the judgment dismissing the lawsuit with prejudice as to Released Persons, and your claims will not be released. (C)Comment on the settlement. If you remain in the Class, you may comment in support of or in opposition to the settlement. To do so, you must, no later than January 30, 2007, file your comment or objection with the Court and send copies by regular or express mail to Plaintiffs' Counsel at the addresses below: The Court: Clerk of the Court SUPERIOR COURT OF THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA COUNTY OF SANTA CLARA Civil Division 191 North First Street San Jose, CA 95113 Plaintiffs' Counsel: Jeffrey D. Light LERACH COUGHLIN STOIA GELLER RUDMAN & ROBBINS LLP 655 West Broadway, Suite 1900 San Diego, CA 92101-3301 Your written comment or objection must include (1) your name, address, and telephone number; (2) information sufficient to establish your membership in the Class; (3) a statement of your views; (4) any supporting documentation you wish to submit; and (5) a reference to Rockers v. eBay, Inc., et al., Case No. 1:05-CV-035930. If you wish to appear and present your objection orally at the fairness hearing described in Part V below, your written objection must contain a notice that you intend to appear and be heard, a statement of the positions you intend to present at the hearing, and any supporting arguments. You may, but need not, appear in the lawsuit through your own attorney. If you do so, you will be responsible for your own attorney's fees and expenses. V.FAIRNESS HEARING A hearing will be held on February 13, 2007, at 9:00 a.m. before the Honorable Jack Komar, Superior Court Judge, in Department 17C at the Santa Clara Superior Old Courthouse, 161 North First Street, San Jose, California 95113. The purpose of the hearing will be to determine (a) whether the proposed settlement including the attorneys' fees and expenses and service awards that eBay has separately agreed to pay should be approved as fair, reasonable and adequate and should be granted; and (b) whether the Action and the claims of the Members of the Class should be dismissed with prejudice pursuant to the settlement. This hearing may be rescheduled without further notice to the Class. You may attend the hearing if you wish, but are not required to do so to participate in the settlement. VI.HOW TO GET MORE INFORMATION You can get more information by contacting Plaintiffs' Counsel at the address listed in Part IV (C). Complete copies of the settlement agreement and all other pleadings and papers filed in the lawsuit are available for inspection and copying, during regular business hours, at the Office of the Clerk of the Court, Superior Court of the State of California, County of Santa Clara, Civil Division, 161 North First Street, San Jose, CA 95113. PLEASE DO NOT CONTACT THE COURT REGARDING THIS NOTICE. DATED: November 8, 2006 BY ORDER OF THE COURT SUPERIOR COURT OF THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA, COUNTY OF SANTA CLARA This administrative email was sent from eBay. As outlined in our User Agreement, eBay will periodically send you information about site changes & enhancements. Visit our Privacy Policy and User Agreement if you have any questions. Protect yourself from Spoof (fake) e-mails. Learn More. Copyright � 2006 eBay Inc. All Rights Reserved. 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Group: S-Trains	Message: 42699	From: tomminil@aol.com	Date: 12/26/2006
Subject: Re: Re21129 &21130 weirdnes & all other late plug in tenders

Pictures are worth a thousand words. There could be 25 reasons the pieces are not interchanable Tom -----Original Message----- From: mlmarmer@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com; djdewey@... Cc: ralcor888@... Sent: Tue, 26 Dec 2006 2:17 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re21129 &21130 weirdnes & all other late plug in tenders David, Thanks for the reply to my question. Then explain this. O:)! Engine 1 will not work with tender of engine 2 and 3. Engine 2 and 3 will not work with tender 1. So, could engine and tender 1 be wired differently, as the wired on engine 1 has been replaced, but no wires on the tender have been replaced. You would think, if the wires one engine one is wrong, which could be the case, since it is not the original wire and was put back on wrong, but why would not engine 2 & 3 work with tender 1, if the wire on engine 1 are correct. I hope you follow all of this. Also, the reverse lever, on one engine, the one, that has a pin into to hold it to the reverse unit falls down. How do I tighten that up? Thanks for the information about the speaker, as I like the sound of it. I do not know how Steve's sounds. Oh, I got my two cars from the auction house, that had the Simmons reefer in question. My flat car with orange pipes are reproductions, as that was not stated in the description. He has a full money back refund except shipping. The caboose I got was fine. He charged me for insurance, as there was none. I notified him, that the flat car is coming back to him and to refund my insurance fee. I wont be using him in the future, as someone mentioned if he is in TCA and if he is, that he knows the standards. First of all, don't assume everyone on Ebay is a TCA member and basically, don't assume that TCA standards means anything to protect you, as I have learn before when dealing with several TCA members, whether on Ebay or somewhere else. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: David Dewey To: S-Trains@yahoogroupscom Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2006 1:31 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re21129 &21130 weirdnes & all other late plug in tenders Mike, et al; The reason the plug wiring is so critical on these is that for the first time in ACG design, the locomotive chasis is intentionally "hot"--that is, it is a part of the circuit. The drawbar to the front truck is no longer insulated, and so, the chassis is picking up power from that truck. Now, this connection is not the greatest, so it is like a lucas electrical switch--flicker! If your locomotive does the "two-position reverse uint hustle" in unexpected spots on your track, it could be a reverse wired plug, or one drive wheel touching the chassis, providing a momentary short. I had a 21185 drove me crazy like that, found out the trailing truck body would touch a rail once in a while! AAAURGH!! It really liked switch frogs! I'd have to get out some stored reference books to tell you which wire is supposed to go where. Don't forget, the wiring cross-over could be inside the tender! Hmm, good idea Mike, look inside your tenders and see if they are wired differently. BTW, yes there should be plenty of room in the tender for a ACG whistle speaker--but even more complex, how about a sound card??? Hmmmm..... Hey Steve, what'ya got fer that?? :) S' David D. PS Happy post-Christmas [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42700	From: tomminil@aol.com	Date: 12/26/2006
Subject: Re: Re21129 &21130 weirdnes & all other late plug in tenders

Fith wire is so light works in neutral. Also the red dots need to be aligned Tom -----Original Message----- From: anormal1@... To: djdewey@... Cc: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, 26 Dec 2006 12:46 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re21129 &21130 weirdnes & all other late plug in tenders David & all, Is this the reason for the fifth wire? Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42701	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/26/2006
Subject: Re: ebay item 180063996220

Al, Pretty simple. The USPO ins. Rate is 1.10 for the first $50. Now BW says the ins is $1.00 for each $100 INCLUDING the S&H. He (IMHO) charges the 1.00 to cover his Paypal fees. He only requires ins. on Paypal. Not on checks & MO's. He states he will refund pmt amt, Not S&H. In his greed forgets to mention the ins because he never paid for it , but charged for it. If he wants to accept the ins claim he should so state & regester with the state that he lives in as an Ins. Co. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42702	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/26/2006
Subject: Re: 293

Would this be the right chaise for the rare 293 version? Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42703	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/26/2006
Subject: Re: ebay item 180063996220

The person buying paid Brians rate of ins. but not the USPO's by .10 Or .50 cents So He now says that he will not refund the $1.00 Cheap Or greedy guy? Who know's I sell my 4 oz fluid with a $ back offer & will refund the shipping 2./ I feel I'm an honest seller. If you don't like my fluid I'll give you back ALL YOUR $ & you don't have to return it. I trust people because I'm an honest dealer, Mike PS: I do it for the hobby &the guys that love it(Not to toot my own horn but I have given away close to what I have ever sold) Not, In refunds but to guys That needed it for fund raising [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42704	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/27/2006
Subject: Re: ebay item 180063996220

Mike, We all know that you are a honest person and that you are in this hobby for the reasons you state, but you do have to cover cost and make a reasonable profit, as that is to be expected. You are a great example of what the hobby is all about, as so is Don Thompson, Joe Haenn and Doug Peck. And you stand behind your product, as well do the men above. In case, those who don't know what the above is all about, my purchase from the guy who sold the most likely repro Simmons Reefer for 600 or so, sold me a NH Flat with Repro Orange Pipes as his auction did not mention the Pipes being repro. So my joke about my items coming from this seller, came true, that something might be wrong with the item. He will take it back, causing me, more time and money, but he charges insurance through Pay Pal. I have no idea, what that is all about, as I don't think the money goes to insure the package, but his pocket. I will find out more, when I go to the PO and I sent PP a email about this. It is only a dollar, to me, who cares, in a way, but just think of all the money he gets, if this is true, that the insurance is for his pocket. Think of the 1000's of items he sold through Pay Pal. Then he writes something about charging you 12 if you pay by check and there is no routing number on the check, which is the bank fed number? After seeing the Simmons item and my experience, as it is only 45, I would avoid this seller. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: anormal1@... To: albaker33@... Cc: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2006 1:54 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: ebay item 180063996220 The person buying paid Brians rate of ins. but not the USPO's by .10 Or .50 cents So He now says that he will not refund the $1.00 Cheap Or greedy guy? Who know's I sell my 4 oz fluid with a $ back offer & will refund the shipping 2./ I feel I'm an honest seller. If you don't like my fluid I'll give you back ALL YOUR $ & you don't have to return it. I trust people because I'm an honest dealer, Mike PS: I do it for the hobby &the guys that love it(Not to toot my own horn but I have given away close to what I have ever sold) Not, In refunds but to guys That needed it for fund raising [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42705	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 12/27/2006
Subject: S Curves

Hi Folks, When I posted the question about the Gilbert set, I mentioned "S Curves". Someone asked what that meant. I wrongly assumed that everyone knew what "S Curves" was. So for those who haven't heard of it: S Curves is a column in Model Railroad News that runs every other month and is all about model railroading in S scale/gauge. That includes AF, Hirail, Scale and Sn3. It is arguably the best coverage that our scale has in the national model railroad press. I've been writing it for over 6 years now on a volunteer basis (no compensation). I'm always happy to receive information for the column involving new products, club news, and upcoming events like shows, meets or conventions. Just email me at hoffmanroy@... or at the magazine at scurves@.... Thanks for all the support I have received and I appreciate the replys to the question. Merry Christmas and may 2007 be the best year ever for S! Roy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42706	From: Bill Lane	Date: 12/27/2006
Subject: B&O S Helper Service action on YouTube

Hi All, I added 1 more video to my MySpace account. http://www.myspace.com/billlane I am also an equal opportunity uploader so I opened a YouTube account last night. I made a new 80 second clip running on my roller track here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_euGVdh7Tw The Tsunami sound unit is talking it up! I have hot linked the photo of the SHS engine on my www.lanestrains.com to the YouTube video if you want to pass it on to a friend later. This will be the last of SHS video mania for a while. Thanks for watching and if you like the engine go to http://www.showcaseline.com/index.html to get one of your own. Thank You, Bill Lane Modeling the Mighty Pennsy in 1957 in S Scale since 1988 See my finished models at: http://www.lanestrains.com Look at what has been made in PRR in S Scale! Importing a Brass S Scale PRR X29 & G26 http://www.pennsysmodels.com PRR Builders Photos Bought, Sold & Traded (Trading is MUCH preferred) http://mywebpages.comcast.net/billlane/PRRphotos.xls ***Join the PRR T&HS*** The other members are not ALL like me! http://www.prrths.com http://mywebpages.comcast.net/billlane/PRRTHS_Application.pdf See my Altoona train videos here http://www.myspace.com/billlane

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42707	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 12/27/2006
Subject: Re: Mike Marmer and AL Baker - MOUSE

Mike just called me to tell me that his "Mouse" finally died and will be getting a new one in 2 days. Further update -on Flat Car saga and will continue the "train drama" upon receipt of mouse will update all Jerry M

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42708	From: muniman18	Date: 12/27/2006
Subject: loco page

Need your help as usual ...What was the internet page that listed all loco's as to wheels couplers smoke no smoke etc...etc thx in advance

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42709	From: Phil K	Date: 12/27/2006
Subject: AF loco specs page

Another easy one. Go here: http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/FAQ/locospecs.html --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "muniman18" <muniman18@...> wrote: > > Need your help as usual ...What was the internet page that > listed all loco's as to wheels couplers smoke no smoke > etc...etc thx in advance >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42710	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 12/27/2006
Subject: S gauge sale advisory

Just a heads up on a sale at the hobby shop I work at part time. There is a 20% off inventory clearance sale going on through Saturday which includes new American Flyer compatable trains by Flyonel, S Helper, and American Models. (No "sale" on original Flyer.) On hand are two S Helper Service 2-8-0 locos, one Baltimore & Ohio and one Union Pacific. (The B&O was on sale WITH the Locomatic controller for $545. before Christmas because this was the one I ran as a demo for about 1/2 hour. I'm not sure about an additional 20% off on this one, but it wouldn't hurt to ask.) There are also a pair of A unit American Models E8 diesels in New York Central, a Wabash FM Train Master diesel, and a set of New York central "chrome" streamline passenger cars. A selection of freight cars from all three manufacturers are in stock too. I think there's a Chessie set too. G&M Train & Hobby in Martins Ferry, OH. Call 740/633-6055 weekdays 10 to 5, Saturday 10 to 4 and ask for Gary. Stumpy Stone...It's sell it or count it time in Martins Ferry ;>)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42711	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/27/2006
Subject: M&W Auction, 21129

Well, as you all know by now, my mouse, which has been dying, finally died, as I tried to see what I can do, as it is worn out and a new one is being air shipped to me. So, I figured how to use the keyboard. Anyway, I just wanted to let you all know, that thanks to David and Tom, I come to the conclusion that my original 21129 engine AND tender have reverse wiring, as I got the other two engines to work with each other's engines and tenders, as well was a 4th plug in engine (another 21130). So, that solves that mystery. Now to a whole other matter. M&W Auctions, you remember, the one who had that Simmons Reefer, that someone pointed out was a repro and he had his facts on it. I joked that gee, I just won two inexpensive items from M&W, a 24627 caboose and a 24539 NH Flat with Orange Pipes, that something might come to me wrong. Well, the package came yesterday and the caboose is fine, but the pipes where repros! Clearly marked inside with the R, very new looking and the cut and texture completely wrong from the original, as I have that flat already, along with the IC Flat that has that car. Even, my wife, said "Yup, Repros" when she saw them. LOL The man has a full return policy except S&H of course within 5 days of being return. I notify him yesterday, that I got the two items, as they were separate bids, that I was returning the flat car and the reason why. And then I ask for my insurance fee back, that he charged, since there was no markings on the box for insurance, as the post man left the box, as anything over 50, insured, will not be left, if no one if there to take the package. His only response in capitals was NO INSURANCE REFUNDS as he said nothing about the return. I told him it was not insured, as he claims it was through Pay Pal insurance. We went back and forth on this, as it is more the princple of what he is doing, lining his pocket, as he has over 34,000 feedbacks and 100,000 sales. He mentions his insurance policy when using Pay Pal. Pay Pal has a shipping service to the seller, of just letting you print postage from your home computer, I believe, as the item is not insured by Pal Pay, as far as I know I asked the post office about this and they don't anything about this. Well, he did not like my attitude as a consumer and I am not allowed to bid on his future items, which I do not plan to do. I told him, I did not like his attitude as a seller. And we went back and forth, as I asked him for proof of insurance and why he did not tell in the description that the pipes where repros. No answer. If Mike in CA can provide the item number, as he has it, I would appreciate it Mike, as I can't scroll out of this. You read the description. Yes, the car was 45, a great price, but with the pipes, the car is not worth that much, maybe 10 to 15, at the most and that is what I did not want, a car with repro pipes. It got real nasty, as he threaten to slow the payment to me, on return of the car, as now, he wants the other item back, as he says all returns, must be everything. They were two different transactions. He makes up his own rules. I have contacted Ebay and Pay Pal, because he is ripping off 1000's in fake insurance fee. It is for his pay pal fee. Well, he should state it that way, but then, it would scare off buyers. So right now, we are at a stand still, he wont pay, till he gets the caboose and I am not sending that back. Once I get his confirmation back, I will contact the credit card I used, as they do instant refund to my account, as I had a couple of problems like this before with returned merchandise. He never explains his position on things in a professional business manner, only to shout at you no insurance refund and then to cut you off from further bids, which is fine. Oh, I told him, if he does not refund my money, I will go on every bid of his and email all bidders about my experience with him, as it is not liable, but the truth. I have not heard back from him. So, there is one of the scum of ebay. I might lose 50, but at least I did not get suckered for $600 on a fake Simmons. Beware if you bid from this guy, as he does not get it, that he keeps pissing off people in a market that gets smaller everyday, due to lack of interest of the young and the dying off of the older ones like us. I am still in the market for some of the rarer pieces of AF, like a 21115, 21139, 21140, etc. I would not bid, if he had them. Sorry, for my friend on this list, who likes to send me emails on terrible my spelling and grammar is, sorry, I am at the mercy of the keyboard, just trying to figure out the basics.or Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42712	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/27/2006
Subject: Re: S gauge sale advisory

***(((The B&O was on sale WITH the Locomatic controller for $545. before Christmas because this was the one I ran as a demo for about 1/2 hour. )))*** Only for 1/2 an hour ?!? Who are you trying to kid Stumpy?? ;^) Rick. S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42713	From: charlie and edith	Date: 12/27/2006
Subject: Lionel/Flyer BAR Boxcar

Greetings! Have tried several sources in attempt to get a picture of the Lionel/Flyer #48313, Bangor &Aroostook Boxcar. Is this car similar, in colors and wording, to the Gilbert #982 State of Maine Boxcar? Thanks for any help you can provide and best wishes! Charlie [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42714	From: David A. Avedesian, PE,RPA	Date: 12/28/2006
Subject: American Models Delaware & Hudson Alco's

Hi Guys: I would like to post a "would like to have". About 10 years ago, give or take, AM produced an ABA Alco of the D&H engine. This engine was produced about the same time as the chrome ABA Santa Fe Alco's. At the time, I was in a position to get either one but not both. I got the Santa Fe and now would like to hunt down a D&H ABA. If anyone knows how I may be able to buy am AM ABA D&H Alco, please contact me by em (david.avedesian@...). Thank you, David PS: We hope to see you all in July at the National S Gauge Convention in Baltimore, "Charm City". My Layout, The Boston & Maryland Railroad, will be one of the railroads on the the layout tour. I have 6 months to get it all gussied up for viewing and playing trains. I will be demo'ing, four types of control on the layout on my Hi-rail layout. The four types of control are as follows: 1) VAC, 2) VDC, 3) TMCC, & 4) DCC. We of the Baltimore Area American Flyer Club, BAAFC, are looking forward to a fun time in July and you are all welcomed to come play trains with us. Again thank you, David PSS: If anyone is a baseball fan, Camden Yards is a great venue to watch a game. It is like going to Fenway with flush toilets. The Yard is the father of the new modern ballpark. It is worth taking in a game and also visiting the Babe Ruth museum, which is "60 baseball steps" away from the Yard. David A. Avedesian PE RPA Newport Associates 5 Baughman Court <http://maps.yahoo.com/py/maps.py?Pyt=Tmap&addr=5+Baughman+Court&csz=Silver+ Spring%2C+MD+20906-1201&country=us> Silver Spring, MD 20906-1201 david.avedesian@... tel: fax: mobile: (301) 929-9000 <http://www.plaxo.com/click_to_call?src=jj_signature&To=(301)+929-9000&Email =david.avedesian@...> (301) 438-8834 (301) 938-1811 <http://www.plaxo.com/click_to_call?src=jj_signature&To=(301)+938-1811&Email =david.avedesian@...> <https://www.plaxo.com/add_me?u=8590211829&v0=545647&k0=778901690> Add me to your address book... <http://www.plaxo.com/signature> Want a signature like this? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42715	From: Bill Adams	Date: 12/28/2006
Subject: Screws

What is the best size screw to use when laying original AF track on plywood? (no roadbed or Homesote.....directly to the plywood) Thanks! Bill Adams Rochester, NY

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42716	From: Robert Graves	Date: 12/28/2006
Subject: Re: Lionel/Flyer BAR BoxcarQ

For all questions like this, go to The Gilbert Gallery - that's what it's for! http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/boxcars5.html --- charlie and edith <charlieandedith@...> wrote: > Greetings! Have tried several sources in attempt > to get a picture of the Lionel/Flyer #48313, Bangor > &Aroostook Boxcar. Is this car similar, in colors > and wording, to the Gilbert #982 State of Maine > Boxcar? Thanks for any help you can provide and > best wishes! Charlie > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42717	From: George Cohn	Date: 12/28/2006
Subject: Re: Screws

Bill Adams wrote: > > > What is the best size screw to use when laying original AF track on > plywood? (no roadbed or Homesote.....directly to the plywood) > Thanks! > Most of the original AF track seems to have been nailed down with small wire nails. The hole in the ties is .065 inches and the largest screw size that goes through is a #O but I did a quick google and can't find anything over 3/8ths of an inch long. The tie thickness is .312 inch. Looks like a nail about 5/8ths to 3/4 inch would be about right. Not sure what the size is called but I've seen them at some hobby shops. George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42718	From: clayton deich	Date: 12/28/2006
Subject: Re: Screws

I have used Round head Blue 3/4 #4 wood screws by the gross ( National Lock Co. Rockford ILL) They will mach the blue ties. I don't know if you can get them now. Clayton S. D. --- Bill Adams <WMFADAMSNY@...> wrote: > What is the best size screw to use when laying > original AF track on > plywood? (no roadbed or Homesote.....directly to the > plywood) > Thanks! > > Bill Adams > Rochester, NY > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42719	From: bandmember5728	Date: 12/28/2006
Subject: AF Couplers on Rex Locos

I have a Rex Docksider and a Suburban engine. I would like to mount AF knuckle couplers on these. Does anyone have any suggestions on how to do this? Best wishes for 2007.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42720	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/28/2006
Subject: Re: Screws

****((((What is the best size screw to use when laying original AF track on plywood? (no roadbed or Homesote.....directly to the plywood))))**** Remember, when using nails & screws throught the ties, you will be transferring sound through the track unto the board. Could get quite noisy. Using rubber roadbed sure made my little layout a lot more quiet. However, your milege may vary, and it won't be a noise problem to you Bill. Rick. S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42721	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 12/28/2006
Subject: S Gauge Scale and Brass for Sale

Norman Thomas has an estate of S gauge brass and S gauge scale for sale, If you are interested, contact Norman at: Norman Thomas 227 West Main Street Johnson City, TN 37604 423/926-4287 Joe Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613*9 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock; More than 1,300 part lines American Models ##### S-Helper Service ###### K-Line S Gauge joestrainrepair@... Master Card/Visa

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42722	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 12/29/2006
Subject: Re;Screws

I've been a model railroader for many years and one thing I learned a long time ago is never use nails. Putting track down with nails you risk damaging the track unless you use a nailset, and it's hell to change the track plan if you make a mistake! I recommend screws. Here's two possibilities; You could drill out the hole in the tie to accept screws of the size needed to reach through the ties and into the wood. To minimize the modification of the track use the smallest size possible. You could drill into the wood beside the tie and let the head of the screw hold the tie from the flange along it's bottom edge. This requires no modification of the track. As Rick says, any direct contact of Flyer track and plywood will resonate sound. However, this may not be a bad thing if you are going for that original "toy like" look and sound. Hope this helps... Stumpy Stone...in the wilds of Appalachia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42723	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/29/2006
Subject: Re: Ebay Seller Allert - Simmons Reefer

Just a quick update on the mention of shipping cost on ebay and this seller. I will state that I accepted the postage charge on this order, but the postage for two AFitems weighting a pound was $11, plus 1 for non existent insurance,which I have a issue with this seller, as well, as the repro pipes on the flat car I returned to him, as that was not mentioned in the description, that the pipes where repro. I mailed back the Flat car and postage was 4.05 as postage up to 2 pounds is 4.05. I am now in a big brew ha ha with this seller over 45 for the car and why there was no insurance on the box. This guy, mwinternetauctionsonmain is a scammer. I will change careers, so I make easy money on fools like me, LOL who gladly give him mega bucks for shipping and insurance. I think he has over a 100,000 sold items on ebay. Think of all the money he makes extra on shipping, as he uses used boxes and insurance. Everytime I professionally asked him questions on why he did say that the pipes where repro and to prove that he paid for insurance, as it is principle, as the loss of a dollar is no big deal. You get the usual nasty response from him, as he skirts the questions, as to me,that means he is guilty. He said he did not like my attitude as a bidder and I am forever ban from his auctions, as I have no plans to bid ever with him, as I wrote back, I don't like his attitude as a business person. That is how silly this is going, as now he is threatening me on not refunding the money, unless I send back the other item I won from him, as that is a separate transaction. Plus he is threatening to give me negative feedback. On what grounds, that I ask reasonable questions? Oh, he told Mike of smoke fluid fame, that he all the time in the world to answer stupid emails, but to me, he told me he did not have any time to answer stupid emails. So which is it? Buy at your own risk from this guy, as the adventure continues, as he should have his flat car back today or tomorrow. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: paflyrman To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 8:49 PM Subject: [S-Trains] RE: Ebay Seller Allert - Simmons Reefer I too have bought from this seller on occasion and have been satisfied with my purchases. But recently he listed an original pair of 300 multicast pilot handrails in which I was interested, with a shipping charge of $6. So I emailed and asked why shipping was so much for two little pieces of wire. You can send a pound anywhere in the continental USA via priority mail for $4.05. Never got an answer, so I guess I'm on his blocked bidders list too now. Several months ago , if I remember correctly, I got an email from some muckety muck at Ebay stating they were going to do something about excessive shipping costs, since it's just a way to make $$$ without paying a % to Ebay. Guess nothing has come of it. Waiting for the fat man in PA, paflyrman [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42724	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 12/29/2006
Subject: Re;AF couplers on Rex locos

Are these the old Rex locos or the Putt-Rex locos? I have three of the engines now being built by Terry Putt, and they came with Flyer compatable couplers at both ends. In discussions with Terry, I understand these are the same as the originals except for the motor and drive arrangement. Therefore my guess would be that the couplers he uses would be what you would want to use. Go to the Putt Trains website and contact him for a couple pairs. If you don't want to do this, the next option I would try would be to order freight car couplers from either American Models or S Helper Service and modify the shanks by filing them down and drilling a tiny hole for the mounting pin. If you want to use original Flyer couplers, you'll have to make your own coupler shanks from scratch and epoxy them to the AF coupler. This would be my last resort as these would be a real hassle to make and wouldn't be as strong as the other options. As far as I'm concerned the great weakness in the Rex design is the coupler box. While it might have been okay for scale couplers in the fifties, it's not the best for AF compatable couplers as it's really too small for a shank big enough and the tiny pin to hold the coupler shank is a hassle to deal with. Stumpy Stone...Creative Imagineer in Martins Ferry, OH.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42725	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/29/2006
Subject: Re: Re;Screws

Steve from SnS trains used some foam to reduce the sound on his layout. It is used to put between the stud plate in new homes. He might be able to provide more info As far as screws google them & there are a lot of sources. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42726	From: paflyrman	Date: 12/29/2006
Subject: Affixing Track & Sound Deadening

I have always covered my tables with indoor/outdoor carpeting, ordered thru Home Depot type stores. That, along with rubber roadbed, always provided great sound deadening even when nailing down the track with nails. You start out with nice grass everywhere and just have to add roads, parking lots, etc. It takes 1" # 17 nails to pass thru the AF ties, so I nail them down with a small tack hammer. Not as much chance of damaging the track as trying to use a claw hammer. They are easy to remove if needed, and hold the track in place just fine. paflyrman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42727	From: Robert Graves	Date: 12/29/2006
Subject: Re;Screws

On my layout I used AF and Johnson rubber roadbed to reduce sound and avoid the timeconsuming ballasting task. I used 5/8" thin wire brads to nail the rubber roadbed to the board. That way, there's no risk of damaging the track, and it's ease to remove when I need to work on the right of way. (Besides, nailing the track to the board through the roadbed would transfer the track noise to the board and defeat the purpose of the roadbed.) --- Stumpy Stone <mrstumpy@...> wrote: > I've been a model railroader for many years and one > thing I learned a > long time ago is never use nails. Putting track > down with nails you > risk damaging the track unless you use a nailset, > and it's hell to > change the track plan if you make a mistake! > I recommend screws. Here's two possibilities; > You could drill out the hole in the tie to accept > screws of the size > needed to reach through the ties and into the wood. > To minimize the > modification of the track use the smallest size > possible. > You could drill into the wood beside the tie and > let the head of the > screw hold the tie from the flange along it's bottom > edge. This > requires no modification of the track. > As Rick says, any direct contact of Flyer track > and plywood will > resonate sound. However, this may not be a bad > thing if you are going > for that original "toy like" look and sound. > Hope this helps... > Stumpy Stone...in the wilds of Appalachia. > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42728	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/29/2006
Subject: Barb........

.........is back online. Now I need to start using my spell check again!! She caught my mistakes! :^) Rick. ***(((Remember, when using nails & screws throught the ties, you will be transferring sound through the track unto the board. Could get quite noisy. Using rubber roadbed sure made my little layout a lot more quiet. However, your milege may vary, and it won't be a noise problem to you Bill. Rick.)))**** S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42729	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/29/2006
Subject: Re: 20445 SET IN E+ COND ON E-BAY

I have listed a 20445 NP North Coast LTD. set on E-Bay item #120069306799. This set came from Mark Preman & is a very high quality set. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42730	From: Alan D. Lambert	Date: 12/29/2006
Subject: k625 Whistle problem

I need help with this problem. With everything hooked up per instructions,when I push the button on the air chime the loco slows down and almost stops until I release the switch. could it be abad speaker or just the capacitor. Any thoughts will help

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42731	From: Doug Peck	Date: 12/30/2006
Subject: k625 Whistle problem

<<<when I push the button on the air chime the loco slows down and almost stops until I release the switch. could it be abad speaker or just the capacitor.>>> 99% certainty that it is not the speaker system at all.....it is the airchime canister on your control button. It needs to be opened up, cleaned, and adjusted for proper operation. We do those, if you don't want to tackle it yourself. Most of the canisters you find today need this maintenance, after 50 years of oxidation! Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours: Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, & Saturdays--- 2-5 PM (EST) 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: www dot portlines dot com E-Mail: doug at portlines dot com VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42732	From: charlie and edith	Date: 12/30/2006
Subject: Train Collection

Greetings! Spent some time today with a lady who lost her Husband.... He left a collection of LIonel, Williams, Rail King and K-Line that numbers over 200 pieces plus sets. The children have made their selections and an inventory is done. My Flyer experience won't help with pricing, so will find a price quide to establish a sense of value....From those of you who have been down this road, where do you suggest we go from here. Our thanks for your thoughts and best wishes for the year to come! Charlie [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42733	From: acgilbertflyer	Date: 12/30/2006
Subject: TMCC and two rail

I noticed that train america http://www.tastudios.com/ Has an item of interest to S folk interested in TMCC. Their catalog is at: http://www.tastudios.com/torquemaster/PDF_Files/April%20York%202006%20Catalog.pdf It has a two rail signal booster, and a reverse loop anti short device for two rail operation.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42734	From: r_ahrens99	Date: 12/30/2006
Subject: Re: k625 Whistle problem

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Alan D. Lambert" <adlbert1950@...> wrote: > > With everything hooked up per instructions,when I push the button on the air chime the loco slows down and almost stops until I release the switch. Could it be the transformer is too small? What size are you using? Perhaps the additional load is just a bit much? Do you have a way of measuring the current draw when you depress the switch? Really need more info to help you... >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42735	From: cindynovak2003	Date: 12/30/2006
Subject: thanks for layout moving advice

thanks for all the replies regarding moving our layout. due to the configuration of the layout and the fact that it was originally designed to be portable, we were able to come up with a solution. we removed the legs and mated two sections together using two by fours to secure them. we have a total of three sections. I'll let you know in a few months how it survives! Cindy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42736	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/30/2006
Subject: Re: 336 POWER DRAW LARGE MOTOR

I've been running a 336 w/large motor. It runs for about 5 seconds before the cir. breaker trips. I re lubed the worm-gear & now it runs for about 10 seconds. I have tried turning the arm. by finger & it gets a bit tight when the side rods are parraell to the rails. I'm using a MRC II 1440 rated at 18va No wattage given. How many amps/watts should the large motor draw? Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42737	From: Phil K	Date: 12/30/2006
Subject: Re: 336 POWER DRAW LARGE MOTOR

You also need to check that the drivers are in quarter, Mike. That's what it sounds like to me. Phil K *************************************************************** --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, anormal1@... wrote: > > I've been running a 336 w/large motor. It runs for about 5 seconds before > the cir. breaker trips. I re lubed the worm-gear & now it runs for about 10 > seconds. I have tried turning the arm. by finger & it gets a bit tight when the > side rods are parraell to the rails. > I'm using a MRC II 1440 rated at 18va No wattage given. > How many amps/watts should the large motor draw? Mike > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42738	From: g94a95	Date: 12/30/2006
Subject: Complaints about Ebay Auctions and such

Hi Folks In lite of the complaints against a certain ebay seller. I might be able to get a few things worked out. I have a friend in Kentucky that lives 15 minutes from him and has dealt with him one on one and he says hes a super guy to deal with. .....Now, this individual has 2 more fellas working for him that work on commission and from what Im told, the owner is not even in the store most of the time. I told my friend about some of you guys getting items with no insurance when paid for and other items that are Repo and misleading stuff etc etc. My friend has taken it upon himself to try to get this worked out by talking to said individual one on one about his employees. If you have a complaint, please email me at SFLYERCRAZY@... and I will forward it on to him to take to the owner and see if we can put this too bed. Hard proof is the only way I know that can get this worked out. As mentioned in a previous post, there isnt millions of S- Guagers out there and you dont wanna PO your buyers....Have a Safe and Happy New Years!!!!Bill

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42739	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 12/30/2006
Subject: Re: INSURANCE

When I run an ebay item I add 1 or 2 dollars..... Depending on the value...... I AM MY OWN INSURER..... I had one item arrived broken...... one item lost...... On both they got thier refunds..... I use the dollar or two to build up a fund...... He might be doing the same.... Boh [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42740	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 12/30/2006
Subject: PVMR New Years Excursion

Since our happy little group has gotten together, we have tried to end the year with some kind of trip or activity. Linda found a website called _www.gophila.com_ (http://www.gophila.com) that promised a 600 square foot (size IS important) in the READING TERMINAL MARKET/Convention Center Complex. We began our day at Dutchway for Buffet Breakfast, the owner, Jeff, stopped by to greet the crew as did "Chef Rick" from the Restaurant. Off to Thorndale PA to board SEPTA on the WRONG platform, ( crew was as confused as we were) for the ride to the "City of Brotherly Love". We detrained at Market East and headed for the display. What we found was a meager display, lacking MOST of the advertized items, actually smaller than our 8 X 16 DUTCHWAY layout. They did have a "Polar Express" squeaking and wheezing it's way around a very tight oval of track. Seemed like it has run in the same direction for over a month without lubrication. Some 3 rail trains, one "bumper" trolley and that was it. The fifth of the advertized trains had died before we arrived, its tender sat connected to its cars. People looking at the display were generally disappointed, some angry, MANY had seen the advertized layout in years past and remarked on how well it was done by TRAIN people. This endeavor was done by the government and consultants. They felt they had wasted their time and money getting to the display. We toured the Terminal Market, saw some of our Lancaster County neighbors and rode home on the SEPTA R-5. The areas where SEPTA runs on the greatly improved AMTRAK line is a very nice ride, overall the ride wasn't bad. I'm sure our SOUTH JERSEY Buddies had a better time in Strasburg. Jim "HAPPY NEW YEAR from the Keystone Main" Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42741	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/30/2006
Subject: Re: 336 POWER DRAW LARGE MOTOR

I tried turning the arm. by hand & ajusted the steam chest linkage & it ran great for 30 sec then stopped. It trips the cir. breaker. It doesn't seem to be binding none of the linkage seems to bind. I'll try looking at the E-Unit [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42742	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/30/2006
Subject: Re: 336 POWER DRAW LARGE MOTOR

I think it might be the MRC ll If the MRC is cold the 336 runs for 30 sec. Then after the breaker resets it runs for 5 So I'll try a AF 15B & see if that rill run it . Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42743	From: George Cohn	Date: 12/30/2006
Subject: Re: 336 POWER DRAW LARGE MOTOR

anormal1@... wrote: > > > I've been running a 336 w/large motor. It runs for about 5 seconds before > the cir. breaker trips. I re lubed the worm-gear & now it runs for about 10 > seconds. I have tried turning the arm. by finger & it gets a bit tight > when the > side rods are parraell to the rails. > I'm using a MRC II 1440 rated at 18va No wattage given. > How many amps/watts should the large motor draw? Mike > 18VA means 18 volts times one ampere or some combination that gives that number. That adds up to 18 watts. I suspect the motor draws more than that normally and that's why you are tripping the breaker. A 50 watt transformer would be about 16 volts at a little over three amperes. George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42744	From: acgilbertflyer	Date: 12/31/2006
Subject: Ebay Northern

Nice basket case Northern: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZddnlsguageQQhtZ-1 Everthing is listed as excellent, wonder if this guy is parting this out to improve sales $? Hopefully none of our brethren expired while in the process of a cleaning/refurbish,reassembly. My wife tells me everytime I bid on an ebay flyer item that some day it will be out front in her estate cleaning garage sale with a 25cent price stiker on it. The user name would imply he is an experienced sgauger. 100% feedback, does anyone on the list know the guy?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42745	From: plimo117	Date: 12/31/2006
Subject: BUSS WIRING

Dumb question - When running buss wires around layout, where do the buss wires terminate? I know of course they start at the transformer, but where do the other ends connect??? Do you simply attach to the furthest track point and then drop feeders all around at reasonable intervals? Also, how and when do you use barrier strips ? HAPPY NEW YEAR !

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42746	From: tomminil@aol.com	Date: 12/31/2006
Subject: Re: Ebay Northern

Happy New Year to all. The chasis and wheels dont look so good maybe due toa small picture but it looks the white walls are discolored. Could te wheels have been shorting against the frame? Could be why it is in pieces prob did not rn right. If interested itn the motor ask for a ohm reading. Tom -----Original Message----- From: AF336@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 8:59 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Ebay Northern Nice basket case Northern: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZddnlsguageQQhtZ-1 Everthing is listed as excellent, wonder if this guy is parting this out to improve sales $? Hopefully none of our brethren expired while in the process of a cleaning/refurbish,reassembly. My wife tells me everytime I bid on an ebay flyer item that some day it will be out front in her estate cleaning garage sale with a 25cent price stiker on it. The user name would imply he is an experienced sgauger. 100% feedback, does anyone on the list know the guy? ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42747	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 12/31/2006
Subject: Re: BUSS WIRING

When running buss wires around layout, where do the buss wires terminate? At the END of the run, the last connection. They COULD connect into one continuous loop. We run ours thru screw eyes, looped once, to hold the wire semi-taught (layout is "portable"). We also run # 14 stranded, color coded, at a minimum. IF the layout grows much larger, # 12 stranded will become the norm. NO voltage loss that way. Risers are placed every four (4) feet or every section (once again 4 feet) normally # 16 or 18 SOLID wire as it is easier to connect to track trips. The "old" layout is about to be dismantled and the "new" started, pending a meeting of the minds in a few weeks. Jim "HAPPY NEW YEAR from the Keystone Main" Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42748	From: boblines51	Date: 12/31/2006
Subject: ebay seller

I was just at an auction that this fellow we were talking about bought a large amount of Flyer.Look at auctions carefully. Lets hope he is not in our group. Bob

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42749	From: Gerald Dobbs	Date: 12/31/2006
Subject: (no subject)

Posted by: "charlie and edith" charlieandedith@... coupe692000 Date: Sat Dec 30, 2006 6:36 am ((PST)) Greetings! Spent some time today with a lady who lost her Husband.... He left a collection of Lionel, Williams, Rail King and K-Line that numbers over 200 pieces plus sets. The children have made their selections and an inventory is done. My Flyer experience won't help with pricing, so will find a price guide to establish a sense of value....From those of you who have been down this road, where do you suggest we go from here. Our thanks for your thoughts and best wishes for the year to come! Charlie Most TCA divisions have this same problem. Rockymountain Division TCA has an Auction committee, invoices, wraps, dose all the work with,volunteer TCA members, total cost to the family. about 10%, which includes a printed a list of items. Rent of a hotel, etc etc.. As to date all auctions have been successful, and brings close to book prices. Jerry 77-11644

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42750	From: clayton deich	Date: 12/31/2006
Subject: Re: Ebay Northern

Wow lets talk about where you live so all of us can pick up your stuff chep at the garage sale-- I mean give them trains a good home.... :)) That's what my now EX said about my trains, but she kind of new they were big bucks. Garage sale with a 25 cent price stiker on it - poo to that Idea. The stuff that was hers- left was goodwill items.... Hee Hee Hee no stickers here.... You should fire that back to her, and the race will be on to see who is first to put whom stuff out. :)) My boys are now men in there twentys will sell it off, and get good cash for them - after they take the ones they want. If I don't sell them off first. I just don't know what I want to do with all of it, and how much its value is all together. I think if I started selling off now at the end - last item. I would think I would be 65 years old, and I don't want to think about it. Hee Hee Hee Clayton S. D. --- acgilbertflyer <AF336@...> wrote: > Nice basket case Northern: > > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZddnlsguageQQhtZ-1 > > > Everthing is listed as excellent, wonder if this guy > is parting this > out to improve sales $? Hopefully none of our > brethren expired while > in the process of a cleaning/refurbish,reassembly. > > My wife tells me everytime I bid on an ebay flyer > item that some day > it will be out front in her estate cleaning garage > sale with a 25cent > price stiker on it. > > The user name would imply he is an experienced > sgauger. 100% feedback, > does anyone on the list know the guy? > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42751	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 12/31/2006
Subject: Jan 6th KEYSTONE TCA Meet

KEYSTONE'S first meet of the year is this coming Saturday, Jan 6th, 2007 at St Philip's Catholic Church. We open to DEALERS only with RED name tags at 7 AM for set-up. Staff members will be at the doors to check name tags. KEYSTONE welcomes long time helpers Paul Herr, Jeff Leeking and Peter Taraborelli to the STAFF. The doors open officially at 9 AM for TCA members and their guest(s), 10 AM for the General Public. Show closes at 1 PM. Admission charged, KEYSTONE members admitted FREE. _Rontrain@... _ (mailto:Rontrain@... for) for more info on tables, MUST be a TCA member to rent tables, info also in the HQ News. Always a great after-Christmas show. KEYSTONE members can also renew their membership at the front desk during the show. I will have ADVANCE admission tickets (early admission) for the Allentown Train Meet Associates (ATMA) "SPRING THAW" meet on Feb 24 & 25. They get you in an hour before General Admission at the door. The "Kitchen Crew" is adding Creamed Chipped Beef to their tasty menu offerings for the first time. Continuing to offer their breakfast specials along with later luncheon items. Kitchen will open at 8 AM. Jim Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42752	From: g94a95	Date: 12/31/2006
Subject: American Models Track versus AF Track

Hi Folks Ive been thinking about going to American Models track and getting rid of my good ol Gilbert Stuff. I understand that AF switches and specialty tracks will work with American models track, however, does it take special rail joiners to mate them up or will the standard American Model joiners work?? Id like to hear the pros and cons of both to help me make a decision from folks who have used both. If I decide to go with the American Models stuff Im gonna have to sell Im guessing 600 pieces of Flyer Road bed and close to 8-900 pieces of good track to finance this switch over. Any advice would be greatly appreciated...Thanx and have a Safe and happy New Year!!!..Bill

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42753	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/31/2006
Subject: Fw: Emailing: AMERICAN-FLYER-S-24558-FLAT-CAR-W-ORIGINAL-TREES_W0QQ

----- Original Message ----- From: Michael and Linda Marmer To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com ; Ralph Loveless Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2006 10:29 AM Subject: Emailing: AMERICAN-FLYER-S-24558-FLAT-CAR-W-ORIGINAL-TREES_W0QQitemZ180068895630QQihZ008QQcategoryZ480QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Why is one tree taller on this? I don't need this, as this is from the guy who sold the Simmons Reefer and a flat car with Repro Orange Pipes, as I am a big battle with him on that. Oh, the guy who brought the Reefer, loves the car. I hope he got the real thing. Mike http://cgi.ebay.com/AMERICAN-FLYER-S-24558-FLAT-CAR-W-ORIGINAL-TREES_W0QQitemZ180068895630QQihZ008QQcategoryZ480QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42754	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/31/2006
Subject: Re: THAT SHOULD READ

The header has a spelling error: MYSTERY Not MYSTER [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42755	From: acgilbertflyer	Date: 12/31/2006
Subject: Speaker for Alco Dummy

Well I was letting my granddaughter play with the horn on my NYC PA-1 dummy 6-48134 and the speaker was not up to the constant duty cycle. The speaker managed to blow just prior to her grandmother who had had about enough of the horn too. But I digress; the question is where to get the speaker? I looked online at Lionel and they don't have a parts listing for this unit, at least that I could find. Anyone have a part number? I found the same form factor speaker at digikey (36mm), but the impedance on it is 8 ohm and the one in question is labeled as 16 ohm. Thx, MK

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42756	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/31/2006
Subject: Re: 336 MYSTER SOLVED

First off let me thank ALL that gave me places to look for an answer to the 336 issue. As an electrician (now retired) I'm embarrassed. I was using a MRC ll to test with. WAY to small. I then used a 15B this AM. The 336 kept running without tripping the breaker. Thanks Again, Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42757	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 12/31/2006
Subject: New Northern Smoke

First I want to please, not let this be a start of a Bash Lionel thread for making a poor smoker. That discussion has been done before. This is a post that has some ideas for improving the smoke, silencing the squeak amd making a good loco better. The parts only cost $1.35 and some time to play. Here is the link: http://www.tuveson.com/NorthernSmoke/improving_the_smoke.htm Enjoy.. and Happy new Year, Carl

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42758	From: LARRY MOORE	Date: 12/31/2006
Subject: Happy New Year

To all, May the New Year bring all of us, more friends, more trains, and good will among all of us that enjoy playing with our trains. Happy New Year to all, Larry moore _________________________________________________________________ Get FREE Web site and company branded e-mail from Microsoft Office Live http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/mcrssaub0050001411mrt/direct/01/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42759	From: Edward G.	Date: 12/31/2006
Subject: 4th ANNUAL ..2007 NEW YEARS CHAT ROOM GET TOGETHER...##############

ALRIGHT ALL YOU HOMEBODYS >>>> NOT DOING OR GOING ANYWHERE TONIGHT >>>>ITS COMMANDED THEN THAT YOU SIGN IN FOR THE 4TH ANNUAL NEW YEARS EVE CHAT SESSION >>>>STARTING AT 2007 hrs PST...COMMON IN >>AND SAY HAPPY NEW YEAR TO ALL OF YOUR BROTHER AND SISTER (pay attention Barb) S GILBERT AMERICAN FLYER FRIENDS.... THANX WILL LOOK FOR YOU.....FYRRFYTR EDWARD G.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42760	From: muniman18	Date: 12/31/2006
Subject: 935 and 977 caboose

Just a small question...While running my 935 bay window I noticed a large amt of light coming from the back of the car. as I examined it I saw slots as if it were a 977 with the operating brakeman. any ideas on this ?? also please have a great and SAFE new year MIKE

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42761	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 12/31/2006
Subject: train songs

On Sundays, when the radio is on, we have www.wamu.org, the PBS station of American University, as on Sundays they do Bluegrass music. There was a set of train songs that I would like to share the titles of us, with you. The first one was "The Wreck of the Old 97" which is a true story, that happen on a RR line in the Danville, Lynchburg area. I happen to have a minor league baseball bat, for the one year, the Danville 97's where playing baseball there while waiting to go to Durham, NC for their permanent home, of South Atlantic League. The next song, wasn't too bad either, as the title was Engineer without a Train. But then the toe tapers started Next up was "I'm A Hobo On A Freight Train To Heaven" and if that wasn't tearing you up already, the next song was "A Little Box Of Pine On The 729". Now that rhymes pretty good! But before, that was a group of songs, as the subject matter was Roses. One song, was about a guy who lost his girlfriend/wife and every time he sees roses, it reminded it of her, as he dreams of being with her someday in heaven to see roses, but for now, he have to see them alone on the planet earth! After this set of songs, the DJ said that was a fine group of rose songs, as the situation in each just got worse. Yea, no kidding! LOL Oh well, a great to send out 2006! See you on the over side of 2007. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42762	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/31/2006
Subject: Re: 4th ANNUAL ..2007 NEW YEARS CHAT ROOM GET TOGETHER...##########

I'm actually going out with some friends for a bite to eat, then maybe a party. But, if I AM home at midnight, I'll be running the ol' 282 'round the tree! Rick. ALRIGHT ALL YOU HOMEBODYS >>>> NOT DOING OR GOING ANYWHERE TONIGHT >>>>ITS COMMANDED THEN THAT YOU SIGN IN FOR THE 4TH ANNUAL NEW YEARS EVE CHAT SESSION >>>>STARTING AT 2007 hrs PST...COMMON IN >>AND SAY HAPPY NEW YEAR TO ALL OF YOUR BROTHER AND SISTER (pay attention Barb) S GILBERT AMERICAN FLYER FRIENDS.... THANX WILL LOOK FOR YOU.....FYRRFYTR EDWARD G. S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42763	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/31/2006
Subject: Re: 935 and 977 caboose

The 979 bay window caboose has the operating little dude also. Probably the 935 had the same frame, body. Both were from 1957. Rick. Just a small question...While running my 935 bay window I noticed a large amt of light coming from the back of the car. as I examined it I saw slots as if it were a 977 with the operating brakeman. any ideas on this ?? also please have a great and SAFE new year MIKE S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 42764	From: Alan D. Lambert	Date: 12/31/2006
Subject: Happy New Year

I send my best for a new year and since I am new to this group,I wish s scale was bigger here in Fort Worth, Texas, no hobby shops stock any thing. I have to rely on the internet or train shows. Three major ones, but only two have s scale items for sail. the great American Train show willbe here in March,so that will be one to look forward to. Happy new year to everyone, this s the best site that I came across, thank you Alan Lambert